The Rewatchables - ‘Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: June 20, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey set off in search of eternal life as they rewatch the third installment in the Indiana Jones franchise, ‘Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,’ starring Harrison Ford, Sean Connery, and Alison Doody. Directed by Steven Spielberg. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No, I know. It's just me talking by myself about the idol. No, Wesley Morris isn't on the idol, too. There's three of us. I don't get gross. There's three of us. My name is Bill Simmons. We're about to do Indiana Jones. The third one, the last crusade is next.

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You call this archaeology? Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Ready PG-13. Starts Wednesday, May 24th, and theaters everywhere. All right, the research on this one is really interesting, guys. We do the one for us, one for them, type of mentality.

Sure. It feels like this was a one for them for Spielberg in a lot of ways because he felt bad about Temple of Doom. So I wanted to start there with the Spielberg piece of this movie. Okay. Because it seemed like he did like a handshake deal with George Lucas in the 70s. God only knows where they were.

We'll make three of these. We'll do Raiders. We'll do two more. Make a ton of money. It'll go great. And then Temple of Doom, what's your relationship with that movie, Chris? You know, it's Spielberg and it's got some great sequences,

but I know that has experienced a critical revival at various points. I don't love it. It was pretty annihilated in the 80s from a disappointment standpoint. And then kind of circled back with a, no, no, actually, it was good. And now it's kind of veered back the other way. I don't know where it's standing. Where's the standout show? I think it's not held in super high esteem relative to one and three.

I think it's also one of the meanest Spielberg movies, which is an uncommon energy for his style of filmmaking. And I think that's what bothered him. So he decided to go back. So there's this awesome premiere magazine piece in 1989, which is about as candid as I've seen Spielberg. I'm going to read you guys some good quotes. I didn't mail this to you ahead of time because I didn't want to step on the pod.

He said in that piece, I wasn't happy with the second film at all. It was too dark, too subterranean, and much too horrific. I thought it out-pultered poltergeist. There's not an ounce of my own personal feeling in Temple of Doom. So he was really upset about it. So it felt like he really wanted to, he said to apologize for the second.

Lighten the mood. I didn't feel like it was that dark. I mean, a guy gets his heart pulled out. Yeah, but that was like the coolest scene in the movie. When I was a teenager, I was like, oh, my God. It was authentically scary. Yeah. I think even more so now, I think he has an even more fraught relationship to the movie, too,

where he feels like it's considered culturally insensitive and he looks back on it as kind of a mistake. But it's an effective movie. This movie is definitely a, let's wipe the slate clean and go back to all work the first time. There's a sense, and you can really feel it in this piece, but just in general, you can look at his filmography that this is kind of the end of the line for him in the 80s and whatever era of filmmaking this was from him. Premier even said, The Last Crusade is the last shorefire hit

from his quiver of blockbusters it caps off a decade during which the boy who'd be king of Hollywood established himself as the most powerful movie maker in history. And this is kind of the exclamation point on whatever that era was. What we don't realize in 1989

is we're heading into this totally fascinating next stage of spill. Yeah. It's almost like an athlete, right? Right. It's like, oh, is this hit? Oh, actually, it's not it. There's five more superstar years coming.

I didn't know any of this in 1989. How old were you when this movie came out, Chris? 12. Yeah. Yeah, it was just like, cool, Indiana Jones is back. Oh, Sean Conner's his dad. That's all I knew. We're like, we're in. What day?

We're going. It's also, I mean, for as much as he's probably trying to write the ship for Temple of Doom or make up for certain things in Temple of Doom, I think for Spielberg, he had been coming out of this, like, I want to be taken seriously era or phase. Yeah. When he's doing color purple and Empire of the Sun, pretty heavy movies in a lot of ways. And I think he wanted to be. to make something that was like a pleasure.

And to me, this is like, I think Raiders is far and away the best Indiana Jones movies. But in a lot of ways, Last Crusade is my favorite or like the most pleasurable one. It's the most fun to watch. I think it's got the most humor. It's got the most heart.

You know, and I really enjoy this one. I feel like it indicates where he's going in terms of the Big Ten action filmmaking too. Like Raiders the Lost Ark has the truck chase scene and it has a couple of really good, you know, the big boulder. but the action in this movie is much bigger, louder, fire, explosions, the tank.

There's so much going on here that is leading towards, you know, war of the worlds and minority report and catch me if you can in these big top visual movies that he's going to do in the future. There's a little what do I do now with Spielberg after E.T. Like he forms that amblin, his first production company in the mid-80s. Then he does that the Raiders sequel. People don't like it as much. he does Color Purple in 85

and Empire of the Sund 87 which are his like two serious movies but they didn't really feel totally Spielbergy and they produced his Goonies right? Yeah and he's

he's they're making a bunch of stuff with the company he's involved in these different movies but you can see like in some of the writing from back then like he has a quote

in this premiere piece where he said I have the right to change my mind five years from now but that fearlessness toward material interests me would I be able to

throw myself into something that's not easily recognizable. It's a Spielberg film. Could I have made Raging Bull the way Marty made Ragey Bull? Probably not. But what I attempt to make Ragey Bull, two years ago, I would have said, no. Today I would say, yes, I would. That's a difference. So it's almost like he's mentally at the end of the line with like, I'm tired of being

the popcorn by guy. What else can I do? But yet, this is one of the best popcorn movies of the 80s. Well, so I don't want to step on half-ass internet research, but if we're talking about Spielberg, I think we should mention. And we've talked about this whenever Spielberg, we've done Spielberg rewatchables, is that, like, he's got his, he's getting his beak wet with a lot of different projects in Hollywood. Like, he's maybe holding a script. He's thinking about doing this.

He moves this one on to Scorsese. He moves this one on to whoever. And at the time of Last Crusade, he was working on both Rain Man and Big. Yeah. He was at least, like, thinking about them. And that's an amazing sliding doors moment for him to think about, like, what would have happened if he had been like, like, what I'm going to do is pivot to, like, more. adult dramas or working in like a completely different vein. And he kind of sets up this like every couple of years I'll be able to make one of these blockbusters.

Yeah, but he chooses both, right? Like he chooses Jurassic Park and Schindler's list. You know, he chooses to make AI and also minority report. Like he's basically like not deciding to continue making movies through the eyes of a kid or or make movies now through the eyes of being a father. Like that's kind of what Last Crusade is about And that's what this pivot in his career is about going forward Because everything that happens in the 80s and the 70s

Feels like a young guy or a teenager Putting his dreams on screen You know working through his emotional details Like figuring out you know all of the The dreams he had as a 12 year old When he's playing with figurines and filming them with an 8 millimeter camera And then as he gets older like you know he makes amistad and he makes Munich And he makes all these really serious historical dramas

But he still wants to have fun And so he never really makes that pivotal decision. And it's funny that Big and Rain Man, Big is literally about a kid wanting to grow up and be a man. And Rain Man is about an older brother teaching a younger brother how to grow up despite the differences between them. So that's like such an

awesome pivot point in his life. I was watching a behind the scenes of this movie and when they're shooting the boat rotor scene where he's got Kazim and he's about to run him into the engine of the boat. And they cut and Spielberg's like nobody likes working on the water

and I was cracking up because it's like everybody laughs and it's obviously a Jaws joke but it's also like he's being serious and he's not quite Steven Spielberg the way we think of him yet like he's still a guy who's like 10, 15 years into his career and he's just joking around about like

about a water scene in an indie movie it was really funny he says so I didn't realize this until I read this piece but he said he worked for five months on Rain Man and he said he said said in this premiere piece, I was very upset not to have been able to rain man because I wanted to work with Dustin off and ever since I saw the graduate, but blah, but then it says,

Spielberg says, although he respects Barry Levinson's movie, quote, I find it to be emotionally very distancing. I think I certainly would have pulled tears out of a rather dry movie. It's like kind of a borderline shot Spires. I also don't really agree with that. I feel like it is. Rain Man is emotional. Yeah. But when they touch the heads, I think that's about as emotional as it gets. he talks a lot about how he started doing Amblin and they produced Gremlins, they did back to the future, they did frame Roger Rabbit, the money pit,

amazing stories, and he said it was the reason he only did two movies in five years. Quote, I was just sitting around making decisions about what films I would let my friends direct. You look back at the IMDB because 93 is like one of the great years of all time. He's Schindler's List and Jurassic in the same year. But from basically,

E.T. On, it's a little rockier than I remembered, even though a lot of those movies did well or made a ton of money. But this is probably the best movie he made, the one we're doing now. Like the most critically acclaimed, everybody liked it, made a ton of money. But like, in this piece, he's talking his next movie is going to be Richard Dreyfuss and Holly Hunter. It's always.

Yeah. And he's like, this is it. This is the one. It's like, that one kind of came away. Not a horrible movie, but maybe his least successful movie in always. And then he does hook in 91, and that bombs. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's the reset and then he goes on one of the great runs. I mean, I would almost do hook

rewatchables just for the the journalism around hook. Oh my God. And like the making of it and stuff. All the weird shit that was going on in the set. Julia's like, what was she like 90 pounds? Yeah.

She's like in the celebrity crossfire at that point. But one of the reasons why I think is because he's producing Back to the Future and Who Framed Roger Rabbit and the Joe Dante movies from that time. I mean, he is putting his hands on Hollywood in such a profound.

way. Poltergeist, like these movies that just will never die that are like forever movies. And even though he isn't writing or directing them, they probably don't happen without him. Yeah. And there's also like his fingerprints are on them. You know, like it's totally tone, filmmaking style,

helping the directors make their movies less insane. He's going through a pretty crazy divorce during this stretch too. Amy Irving out. Traded for Kay K. Kapsha on some draft picks. Some swapsh. Sorry. I'm in NBA draft book.

One more quote from this piece. I just want Sean's reaction. Oh, both are your reaction, but I just think Sean will be like, this will make you palpitate. He talks about how he loves De Palma and Scorsese for what he sees as their leaps of courage. And he says, quote,

Brian's career has taken the most dramatic turn. He started tapping the great playwrights to blend his own visual style into terrific literature. And he says he saw casualties of war. And he said, a great movie, possibly the most powerful statement Vietnam, and Marty's taking great risks, and then he says, everybody's taking risk but me.

So he really, he felt this way in 1989, and he was already like, this was the best 15-year run, probably any director or dad. He talks about this when you get closer to Schindler's list about his kind of fear and interest in telling a story like this and his sense of being not quite ready. We talked about a little bit of saving Private Ryan, too, where he felt like he had a war epic in him and he had such admiration for the greatest generation, and there was like a filmmaking style. I mean, there's a little bit of De Palma, actually. saving Private Ryan when you look back on it too

the sort of like severity of the visceral approach but those guys are older than him too like De Palma was like his big brother in some ways and he you know he and Lucas obviously went on to be more successful but they always kind of revered him as like the intellectual of the group so it makes sense I mean and you could see how he would be intimidated by those guys even just in terms of their thematic interests

it's like Scorsese is interested in like the empty core of masculinity and De Palma is like a deviant and Spielberg was like, my parents got divorced. And that really broke me up, you know? I'll tell you what, though. I was alone in Arizona. This movie, Last Crusade, has some great stuff from his life and childhood that I had never understood until I saw the Fableman's.

That's like one of the things I'm most excited to talk about with this movie. Because Last Crusade, you'd be like, oh, the third movie in the Indiana Jones series, this is just like a throwaway blockbuster. No, it's like a core text for Steven Spielberg, which is so interesting that he's able to do that over and over again, is put all his stuff, his psychological. feelings, his ideas about manhood into these movies that otherwise, as you say, are just great popcorn movies. You don't think CR does that with the watch? I honestly do. It's one of the reasons I revere him as my elder. Do you want to talk about that stuff now or when we get to it in the movie? Yeah, I think it's like I had just, I hadn't really thought about this. I probably hadn't seen Last Crusade in five or ten years. The Fableman's came out at the end of last year. There's a critical

moment at the beginning of that movie where we see a young Steven Spielberg see the greatest show on earth, the movie from the 1950s is the one best picture on the big screen. And that That's the movie that changed his mind, that changed his ideas of who he wanted to be, how we wanted to spend his life. And that film has a dramatic, like, a train crash sequence that is all organized around a circus. How does this movie open with young indie on a circus train? You know, this is a movie about a father and a son who have a very complex emotional relationship. One father who's very intellectual and withholding and impressive. Same in the Fableman's.

That's exactly how he renders his relationship. The Fableman's is kind of about this weird love affair that Steven Spielberg has with his mother and that his father has with his mother. This is a movie with some Eskimo brothers where a father and a son have slept with the same woman. It's a movie that ends with a horizon line shot just like the Fablemans, which talks about the horizon line.

There are all of these interconnecting moments where he's 15 years into this career. He's considered the Wunderkin filmmaker of his generation, and he's still dumping all of this psychology into this entertaining adventure movie. Do you think Steve and his dad stepped in on the same Well, I just think he's in love with his mother. And obviously, Stephen's father has this complicated relationship with his mother because they split up, but he wanted to be with her.

So, I don't know, it's just a really cool Rosetta Stone or Talisman for everything he thinks about his family. So a lot of, like, blockbusters nowadays, superhero movies mostly, are really about, like, the internal mythology of the superhero movies. Like, when you watch the Batman or you watch, like, an Avengers movie or you watch a Marvel or DC movie, you have to, like, really buy into a, and want to understand everything about the interrelated characters and like where the movie goes next. And the thing that I love about this is like when they pitched this to Spielberg, he was like not that interested in the grail. He was like, what we need to do is make the grail a metaphor for this father-son relationship. So he's like the reason he's who he is is he's able to take the sort of super text and be like, nobody really cares about the grail anymore. What they care about

is their relationship to their dad. Right. And that's what this movie's going to be. about, I actually happened to find this to be my favorite Indiana Jones like quest and MacGuffin. But the fact that Steven Spielberg was like disinterested in the grail is probably what makes this movie work. I do think though that that's the secret sauce of Lucas and Spielberg together because Lucas does care about the Grail. He is interested in mythology. He is interested in the MacGuffins. And so you put those two guys together pretty magical. They had, they started working on this and 84 Lucas had an eight-page treatment called Indiana Jones and the Monkey King, then got Chris Columbus to write this script, and the villains were a Nazi bar owner and the

Monkey King. And this is crazy, but the Monkey King, one of his things was he forced Indiana and Dash to play chess with real people and would disintegrate each person who gets captured. Indiana battles the undead. He destroys the Monkey King's rod. This is from the research. Spielberg and Lucas decided to abandon the monkey king. That was a Chris Columbus script, right?

Yeah, negative depiction of the African natives. They thought maybe this isn't a good idea. And then Spielberg's like, well, what about Indiana's father? Right. And all of a sudden, that sends them off. And that could be the metaphor. Everything Chris talked about. But they still needed the father.

Connery, who we did on the Untouchables, who's smoking hot again as an old guy, he rips off. This is right after the Untouchables, 87, the Presidio, Indy 3, Hunt for Red October, and Russia, House. in four years. Insane. Pretty sure Chris would just subscribe to a channel that just showed those five movies.

That would be delightful. Connery 87 and 90. Zasloom, get on a minute. Let's just make that a vertical on max. But Dr. Pimple Popper during the days. What is that? That channel is called Great Scott. That's C-O-T?

Right. One ping only. So he's the, I mean, just adding him at that point in his career to this movie, is the secret sauce of this movie. Every scene. Yeah.

My biggest criticism in this movie is like I kind of wish there was like 10 more minutes or just the two of them? I agree. Yeah. Like, how about like just having coffee in Venice again or anything?

The blimp coffee or the drink they have on the blimp is like, that could have been a two- How about a dinner scene? Yeah, I agree. Like a somber moment, maybe take out, I don't know, something from the first 25 minutes. They have great chemistry. They obviously respect each other as actors

because they really, they're great together. Unbelievable as a father and son, which I think is sometimes they miss that one when they put the two famous actors where it's like, Here's Harrison Ford's dad, Jack Nicholson. It's like, nah, I don't see that much. They think it's like, they present this to Conry

and they're like, here's the script, the layup. This movie was somewhat inspired by James Bond. James Bond's going to play his dad. This is great. And Conry's like, I think in the original version of the movie, it's like a much older, more crotchety, like closer to Marcus Brody than he is what he is. And Conner's like, no, I will be a stodler who roams Europe

looking for the grail. I'm not doing that. All right, Sean, whatever you say, man. Just sign on the dotted line. He does do the I Have Notes thing, which he's famous for. He's famous for signing on the movies and being like, okay, here's what I think this character is. And then here's how you rewrite it,

which a lot of great movie stars do that, but he had a unique power to get what he wanted. So between this and Untouchables and Hunt for Red October, I would say those are three of the biggest movies of the late 80s, probably in the top 10. Yeah. And he's essential off-reate. And then he moves into the 90s

and kind of becomes older Sean Connery. But he really needed this to put a bow in the Sean Connery experience. Harrison Ford, who basically has two superstar primes. He has that kind of all the way through Blade Runner and Witness and that version. Then he gets a little older.

Now we're like dealing with late 40s Harrison Ford. And from 88 to 94, Working Girl, Indy-3, presumed innocent, which was a giant. movie. Regarding Henry, which is a hilariously bizarre movie.

Not a great movie that I love. Not a great movie, but when it's on, you're like, wow, I can't believe they made this. Always get stuck in it, yeah. There's this whole stretch of regarding Henry, Awakening's, all these weird movies they made where stars were compromised and a lot of something.

It is truly. It's Rain Man regarding Henry and Awakenings is all like explosive performers who have been completely neutered because of something going on psychologically with them. Patriot Games in 92. the fugitive in 93 and clear and present danger in 94. I mean, he's just, this is where if, I mean, we got in a huge argument with Hanks versus

Cruz. I'm saying, like, are we sure that this isn't the guy? He might be, it depends how much credit you want to give him for Star Wars. You said Forever movies? There's a, there's a handful here, man. If you're saying like top eight most eternal movies, he probably wins. Before we started this, I was at home with my wife and we were watching the mosquito coast. And I was like, this is maybe the.

the best actor of the 1980s. He could do anything. And even those movies that were saying, like the Mosquito Coast regarding Henry movies that are kind of forgotten, it's incredibly watchable. There's a witness, too, is another one where that, yeah, I'm with you.

He kind of is Hank's before Hanks. Yeah. There's a, in that same behind the scenes thing, there's a shot of him on the boat going to this, to the shoot for the, for that, for that propeller scene. He's got his fucking hair slicked back, and he's wearing shades.

And I was like, this may be, like the cool. anyone has ever looked ever. You know, he's like on a boat in Venice, just like cruising. I was like, this guy was absolutely throwing like 101 at this point in his life. One of the fun things about this movie, too,

is that it almost like shows you how he becomes not just Indiana Jones, but Harrison Ford. You know, like the scar and all that stuff that I'm sure we'll get into, which I really like to. It's like kind of the making of an icon throughout the movie. As for the A plus listeners,

he just grabs a lot of things that made the other A plus listers. Like, Costa and him, the two guys, you just wouldn't leave alone with your wife or girlfriend for two hours ever. But would also love to, like, have three beers with. Yeah, but you would also, like, that guy would be fun to go to a ballgame with or just hang out with. Kind of the hero that, a little bit improbable that they're a hero, but it's believable when they can fight the bad guy. But you wouldn't call him, like, a jacked. He never seems unrealistic.

Yeah. He's very credible as a professor and very credible as a guy jumping on a tank, which is hard to pull up. off. And you think of all these different movies he was in. I mean, The Fugitive is one of the best action movies of all time. That's a movie a lot of people could have been in, but I still feel like if I can grab anyone from any point in their careers,

I still think he's the best choice. Like, Hank's and the Fugitive doesn't work quite as well. Cruise, the cruise stuff overpowers it. Costner, maybe. There's a couple overlap movies with him of Costner. Like, Harrison definitely could have been in no way out. He could play the Russian. Yeah.

And I think Kostner could have been in a couple of the Ford movies. I think Kostner could have been Indiana Jones if he was born 10 years earlier. Yeah. So they're probably the most on each other's corner. But when you throw in Star Wars and Raiders, like nobody, that's the fucking Trump card of all time. I think they both have like regular guy athleticism. Yeah, they don't seem like they were like raised in a lab to be a actor. Right.

Like they were like guys who were carpenters or, you know. Minor League ball players. worked real jobs, played sports. And then we're like, I guess I'll give acting a shot, you know. He's also, I would say the number one overall draft pick of if you were playing the game, if you were hanging out with a group of people and somebody was like, I fucking hate so-and-so. If you were, if you were, I don't care what age group you were. And somebody was like, you know, I fucking hate Harrison Ford.

People would be like, what? You'd be like, did you get hit by a seizure? What happened? Did he have sex with your mom? Like, what did he do? Is he your dad? There'd have to be some sort of story. Do you think anyone has ever said that out loud?

I fucking hate Harrison Ford. It's a person, a living person. You would have to be like, Indiana Jones and Star Wars sucks, and it would just be like, why do you watch movies then? I would do like a quadruple tape. Maybe you'd be into regarding Henry, you know? Like, he's got something for you, even if you hate Han Solo. I would be so interested if somebody said that.

I would just be like, why? What did he do? I don't explain it. I've never heard this take before. It's the all time. Is he in QAnon? Like, what did I miss? Just wait to the end of the podcast when we go to Craig and Craig's like, I got, I got to say, guys, I fucking hate him.

Yeah, never got it. The Bradley feel of 80s acting. He has, and his, the last 20 years for him is kind of funny because he, there are times when it feels like he's trying to hold on to it and other times where he's like, I'll play Branch Ricky. Sure, you got it. You know, like he sometimes he knows that he's the old guy. And other times, as we know, he's Indiana Jones once more. But the whole point of this new movie is like, this is the end of Indiana Jones. I think his career, such as it was, was like in a pretty, you know,

he was heading towards that, that sort of darker place. And I think the fact that Hollywood is now, like, anything that was relevant 30 years ago, we will remake, has benefited him to someone. Yeah, it's called him back. Because he did Star Wars, he did Force Awakens, he did Blade Runner, and he did this. One of my favorite Harrison Ford moments of the last 10 years

was when he showed up on the David Blaine special on ABC. Unbelievable. And he was just absolutely marveling at Day of Blaine's close-up magic. You know? That was one of the best specials. Yeah. That was one of the best TV specials of all time.

That, I feel like that was the last time broadcast television really mattered. Who was the one? Jamie Foxx? Who was the one that just completely lost their mind? Jamie Fox was his daughter

and like he would touch Jamie Fox's daughter's forehead and Jamie Fox would feel it. Yeah. And they both just started freaking out. Then there's like Kanye and Woody Harrelson are hanging out

and David Blaine is like putting an ice pick through his hand and it's like, why are Kanye and Woody Harrelson together? Why isn't that once every four months. All right, let's take a break and then I want to hit a couple more things

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which is a time when we felt like movies were going the wrong way. Spielberg even says that in this premiere magazine piece. I know that I did when I was 12. Walking up to my... Is there popcorn?

Guys in my class and being like, how are you feeling about the state of film? Can you guys believe driving this Daisy? What a piece of crap. Where are you going? Why'd you pick me last? He said in premiere, he said about 1988, in my opinion, it has been the worst calendar year for movies in a decade. But I'm not going to sit here and tell you which ones I didn't like because a lot of them were made by my friends.

Wait, Spielberg said that? Spielberg said that. Because a lot of them were made by my friends. That's something you just would never hear nowadays. So I look at, I felt this way a little bit in 89 because it just felt like we were heading toward this weird sequel, you know, just, kind of ostentatious, big, loud popcorn over the top. Little did we know. I mean, that is what happened and it never stopped.

I look at the top 15 from that year. And Indiana Jones in the last crusade was second at almost $200 million. Batman was first. We did Batman already. Dead Poet Society was third. We did that one. Lethal Weapon, too. Pretty good movie.

Look who's talking. Honey I Shrunk the Kids. Back to the Future, Part 2. Ghostbusters, Two, Driving Miss Daisy, Parenthood, When Harry Met Sally, The War of the Roses, The Little Mermaid, Steel Magnolia, and Christmas Vacation. So we have five sequels in there. But we have some really interesting movies.

I mean, you could argue when Harry Met Sally created the modern rom-com. I think War of the Roses is awesome. Like, we're definitely doing that on the rewatchables at some point. Parenthood is a really fun Ron Howard movie that we've done on this. We've done 10 of these movies. I think if you want to see, what's really good about this year, you have to go to best original screenplay. That's where you have when Harry Met Sally, sex lies and videotape, do the right thing,

crimes and misdemeanors, dead poet society. Well, that's the funny thing about 89 is there's this whole indie thing starting. Nobody sees it yet. And then we move into the next decade and all the stuff Spielberg's talking about how movies, what's going on. And also, as we've talked about many times, there's this whole culture talking about movies that just start and feel different. So it's an important year and I actually feel better about it than I think I felt at the time.

But I'll just tell you this, when this movie came out, I saw it with Jim Grady. I remember where we saw it. It was one of those, I think we were the, God damn, the White Plains Mall. On like the Monday after it came out, my buddy Jim Grady, the number one Harrison Ford fan of all time. We'd take a bullet for him. And we were just like, when are we going, what day? I can't believe he's doing, I can't believe it. I can't believe it.

It was totally satisfying. Oh, I was going to say, did he love it? Oh, it was just a W. We were like, wow, this is great. And do you feel like you've watched this one a lot over the years? Not nearly as many times as Raiders. Okay. Yeah, same.

If you're going to criticize this movie, it would be that it's a little Raiders karaoke-ish. Like you have, oh, here's the scene with the rats and, yeah. Oh, here's a chase scene. And, you know, they're kind of playing the hits. That's why Ebert's review of this. So there was a $48 million budget made $472.2 million dollars, 10 times, multiple. Not awful. It was, it made $450 million worldwide and was the number one movie around the world that year.

Won the Oscar for Best Sound Effects Editing, had a couple other nominations. Ebert, three and a half stars. He said when Raiders appeared at the find a new energy level for adventure movies, it was a delirious breakthrough. I agree with that. Delirious breakthrough is nice. That would have been good name for this podcast. There was no way for Spielberg to top himself and perhaps it is just as well that Last Crusade will indeed. be indie's last film. Raiders

now more than ever seems a turning point in the cinema of Escape This Entertainment and there was really no way Spielberg could make it new all over again. What he's done is take many of the same elements, apply all of his craft and sense of fun to make them work yet once again, and they do. I think that's fair. Did you guys happen

to watch the Siskel and Ebert episode for Raiders of the last crusade? So one banger episode I watched the whole thing start to finish. Here's what was also covered. Miracle Mile quality film. Oh yeah, the Anthony Edwards. Yeah. my guy. Clint Eastwood's pink Cadillac and Roadhouse.

Wow. Did they like Roadhouse? Two thumbs down for Roadhouse. That's awful. I think thumbs down, thumbs up for Miracle Mile. Two thumbs up or two thumbs down for Pink Cadillac. And Siskel gave Last Crusade thumbs down. Wow.

And he gave it thumbs down in part because of what you just said, which was that this is a little bit of karaoke. And he's like, sure, is it fun to see Sean Connery? It is fun to see Sean Connery. But we've kind of seen this movie before. I'm bored. Now, Siskel, you know, he would do that from time to time. But in retrospect, that's a bold take.

Can you imagine Cisco reviewing Fast 10? Yeah. I mean, he would have quit a decade ago. He wouldn't have made it through the 2000s. His eyes would have just fallen out of his skull. Yeah, but I mean, those were the stakes in the 80s. Like, even if you made the third sequel to a movie and it felt a little like the first movie, people were like, whoa.

Yeah. He felt frustrated by what was happening that you were talking about in the box office. I understand what he's saying, but the, you know, These movies were sort of envisioned to be a series. Like they were an homage to movies that they would see like on some weekly basis. Serials. Yeah.

So I think some of that is kind of in the DNA of the movies themselves. Yeah, I agree. I mean, they're like Sunday morning cartoons in some ways. And they're inspired by comic books. There's a prelude and then there's like the university and then there's going to be a chase and then there's this. One thing I noticed from 89 and this was something we definitely felt because there was a couple of movies.

we didn't mention in the top 15. But this was definitely the sequel. Let's repeat what we were doing before. And Last Crusade is the best version of it. So was Lethal Weapon 2. Ghostbusters, too, not as much. Back to the Future Part 2. Was that the one when he gets the,

he's betting on sports? That might have started me gambling. Let me give that a thumbs up. Wait a second. We need to unpack that. Well, we'll do it on the part two. No, that might have been that and the Patriots going one and 15 in 1990 were the two things that pushed me gambling.

But did some, did a future? you come to the present past and give you a book with the results? I would have done so much better. I would have been doing so much better. Did you achieve all of the success bill? Did you get? What is the name of the sports call back? That you give the Biffs gives him.

Sports columns. Christmas vacation was the best Christmas movie. But then it starts getting a little dark. Star Trek 5, the final frontier. Not a good movie. Karate Kid Part 3. Eh, has a moment. Naked gun, too.

Has some moments. Nightmare on Elm Street, probably four, something like that. Is that Dream Warriors? Friday of 13th, part eight. Which one is that? Halloween five, Police Academy's six. Six is good.

That's six. Hellraiser, too. And we also... Moscow? And I think another 48 hours was in 89 as well. Oh, yeah. So there was a sense like, wait, are we running out of ideas here?

And then all of a sudden, the indie revolution happens. And guess what? We hadn't run out of ideas. Police Academy 6 was City Under Siege. Oh. Definitely seen that one. Okay. I was attracted to Leslie Easterbrook for like five Police Academy movies. I don't know when it went. You don't say. But yeah, the first few.

She was Mahoney? No, that's Gutenberg. She was the sex pot. What's her character's name? I forget what her name was. Callahan. Callahan. That's right. Like Callahan. For five. Was Callahan related to Tommy

Callahan from Tommy Boy? Do you know? Was that not an extended extended police academy universe? I see. I saw at least three Police Academy movies in the theater in case you guys were wondering. And both weekend at Bernie's, one and two. Two is abominable. I don't think I saw any of them, but I watched all of them on repeat

throughout my childhood. I don't apologize. I miss those funny franchises like that. I don't feel like, would naked gun even work now? Like, I tried to watch airplane with my son. We were just saying, because, I think because we were talking about satire movies like that. It's like spoofs.

Like there's no spoofs anymore. And there's not nobody's done one for superheroes really probably because it's too expensive. Oh, that's interesting. And there's no other kinds of movies to satirize at this point. I tried to get Ben to watch airplane with me in like 20 minutes and he's like this sucks. That's so funny because I feel like that one holds up. It's a little Siskel. I watched it during the pandemic

and I was like, well this is still a five star movie. I had the great time watching it. I think it's fucking unbelievable. It's so funny. Yeah. Have you shown Ben Kentucky Fried movie? No, I think that's probably too dated. Or two... Is it too young? Yeah, maybe too young.

Today's most rewatchable scene is brought to by Disney's Indiana Jones and Dial a Destiny. In theaters, June 30th, it is a grand send-off for Indiana Jones set in the year in 1969. The era was born, guys. Harrison Ford returns as the iconic hero drawn back in action to search for an ancient artifact that can change the course of history, something he has been looking for his entire life. It was filmed in multiple locations around the world. Sicily, Morocco, the UK. The cast includes Harrison Ford, Phoebe Waller Bridge,

Antonio Benderas, and our guy, Mads Mikkelson. I think you're going to say our guy, Boyd-Hulbrook. Mads-Mickleson is our guy. Bad poker player and casino royale, but great villain. He's doing a little bit of what we discussed in the Casino Royale episode in this new film. Oh, beautiful. Indiana Jones and the Dowell Destiny is rated PG-13.

You don't want to miss it, much like our next. Next, most rewatchable scene. Let's get into it. All right, guys. Most rewatchable scenes. I just wrote down Young River Phoenix. Yes. God damn.

Yeah. It's the cross of corn. I'm going to dig down and put it on a bone of finger. That cross is an important artifact. It belongs in a museum. Run back and find the honors. Tell him to have luck, but there are men looting in the camps.

Have him brewing the sheriff. It's only a snake. Did you hear what I see? said. Right. Run back. Mr. Halflock, the sheriff. What are you going to do? Thank you something. Wow. He's great. He kicks ass. He's perfect. Yeah. It's like a mini movie star movie for him for like 15 minutes. It's great. You would have liked to have just seen this movie where he continues to figure out that he wants to be a swashbuckling archaeologist. Yeah. That would have been really fun. He's got this annoying absentee dad. We talked about who Harrison Ford and the

people he borrowed pieces from and who was the next heir. It was probably River Phoenix if he doesn't get fucked up by all these different things. Because he had, he was handsome. He could have been believable as a professor. He could have been believable as the tough guy. There was something, I don't know, human about him, approachable. People say that about Leonardo DiCaprio, right? Then in a way, he kind of moved into a position that River Phoenix had occupied after River passed.

Harrison Ford was on the set when they were shooting this. And he did a lot of stuff with River to, like, do his gestures. his mannerisms to make it so that the Indies matched. Really cool. Yeah, he does that exaggerated, kind of slapsticky, I'm in trouble, but he really does a good job. It's why I watch Mosquito Coast

because they work together in Mosquito Coast and the reason why Ford kind of hand picked him in a lot of ways to Spielberg is because he was like, I worked with this kid. This kid is the real deal. We get a little train hop, house of reptiles, we get an elephant, get a lion, we get a magic caboose,

Coronado Crucifes. It's just a really good... It's about as good as you're going to open an actual movie. Apex Mountain for crucifixes? Probably not, right? Probably not. Well, is that the top of... Like, you're saying the crucifixion of Jesus Christ?

No, well, I mean, for the cross of Coronado, probably Apex Mountain for crosses from Coronado, you know? Even more so than the power of Christ compels you in the exorcist? That's a good one. Next one I have is the rat in the snake cave. into the wooden boat chase. Finding the brother's tomb in Venice. Yeah.

The shield is the second marker. It's a rubbing. Dad's made at the grill tablet. Just like your father. Giddy is a schoolboy. Wouldn't it be wonderful if you were here now to see this? He never would have made it past the rats. He hates rats.

He's scared to death of him. X marks the spot. They're going through. Yeah. Indie finds his dad. Don't call me, Jr. We immediately set that up. But more importantly, we get the Elsa betrayal. Oh, enough. Put down the gun, Dr. Jones. Put down the gun or the Florline dies.

But she's one of them. Indy, please. What? Trust me. I will kill her. Go ahead. No! Don't shoot. Don't worry. He won't.

Indie, please do what he says. And don't listen to her. Enough she dies! Ah! Wait! Wait. You should have listened to. to your father.

Is this how you taught you were taught don't trust women, Chris Ryan, age 12? Just be careful. This little blonde lassie with an Irish accent, don't trust it. I was taught maybe not to trust Austrian women in the 40s. Yeah. It was 38 in fairness. It was a little early. I think the rumblings were out on the street.

How do you feel about Irish actress playing an Australian? I had no idea until, honestly, like very late in life that she was not Austrian. Are you at the end of your life? No, later in life did I not know. I didn't know that Alice in Duty was Irish. You know, it's funny we've done two movies like out of the last three where a beautiful woman betrayed our hero.

What do you think that our great filmmakers are trying to tell us, but... I'm going to say coincidence. I have to tell you something. The floor's on fire. I have that scene. I'm going to tell you something. Don't get sentimental now, Dad.

Save it till we get out of here. the floor's on fire see and the chair move do it on you we got rotating fireplaces

and secret stairwells and a motorcycle chase I love rotating fireplaces I love it that's great I also like when our heroes

are tied to a chair and they're not facing each other and so they can make a lot of jokes facing in the opposite direction that's great stuff

Sierra you feel like you could get out of rope like that I had that is picking nits we can do it now Pretty thin wrists. So yeah, I do. You feel like you get through it?

I've thought about this before. Like, whenever you get, like, a wristband at, like, a show or something like that, I can always just pop that off. The bad guys just never tighten it enough with the rope. And also, there's always a lighter or a switchblade right there. Yeah, maybe check the pockets for lighters. You spent this much time tying them up. Yeah. You could also, like, tip the chair over, do that thing where now you're on your side and you have, you know.

All of these movies and all of the James Bond. movies have this Scott Evil problem where in Austin Powers Scott asks his father, Dr. Evil, just give me a gun I'll go shoot him in the head right now. He's right there. We'll do it together, you know. There's always somebody who's like, we need them alive at some point.

Yeah. Scott, Daddy's Working. We did the Austin Powers, right? Yeah, yeah. And we did two for rewatchables 99. Yeah. When are we doing three? Gold member? Three's good. Two's my favorite though. You're more of a love guru. That's right.

I have a couple more rewatchables. Indy's dad gets kidnapped in the tank. We get a tank fight. We get the going toward a cliff, which is, I think, who did the first, this thing's headed toward a cliff and everybody's about to fall off

and our hero? Did he fall off or not? Probably Buster Keaton. Yeah. Fast and Furious, I think, has ripped this scene off three times. It's either Buster Keaton or Fast and Furious. Yeah.

Yeah, this is after Indy. I think they've ripped this off three different movies where the cars are going toward, and it's like, oh my God. I just saw a movie. going to say what movie that has a version of this that is fucking awesome. You'll see.

Oh, okay. Oppenheimer? It's Barbie. Barbie. Henry gets shot. Basically the ending, you could put the whole ending in it, but Henry getting shot. And we get the healing power of the grail is the only thing that can save him now. You can't save him when you're dead.

The healing power of the grail is the only thing that can save your father now. It's time to ask yourself what you believe. always good I like when the the object of the whole movie becomes then a life-saving device

is always fun Indy goes to get the grail does the kneel before the God only in the footsteps of God will we proceed and then the leap of faith Love that Only in the leap from the lion's head

leap with his worth And you must hurry Kind of like the process We said Hinky Did you feel like You were in a first perspective bridge Yeah what are we on now You would leap forward

I think we've, like James Hardin, we've drank from the wrong cup. No, I think you're trapped in the tomb right now with the night. Who's the knight in this case? Is it Embede or is it Mori? It's probably Tobias Harris. Just as short, but Nazi Stoge drinking the wrong grill is just great. Yeah, drink that one. Drink that one, Nazi Stoge.

Oh, he's getting old. And then Elsa fall into her death. I can reach it. And then the dad says, Indie. and I'll let it go. Yeah. Elsa never really believed in the Grail. She thought she found a prize.

What did you find? Illumination. Great ending. Yeah. This movie's good. It is good. You're talking yourself into it. No, man, I've been in the whole time.

Just the last 20 minutes are... First 15, last 20, I think are great. I have... And in the middle, I think you could have probably taken 10 minutes out. I think the castle stuff is great with them, with the... That's basically, like, the haunted house part of... the movie that I really like and

yeah I'm surprised you don't have the blimp in there you know put the blimp in definitely the the the throwing the guy over from the blimp and him landing on the luggage is an incredible psychagic really funny and then their escape where you know

Professor Jones accidentally shoots the tail wing off with his machine gun and he's like oh no they got us they got us and that's an amazing scene so I had not to jump ahead but I had some of that in what stage is the worst I just felt like the The effects, you mean? The effects just weren't there yet in 1989.

It just felt like two guys in a soundstage on sunset hour in an old plane. Sometimes I'm willing to forgive that stuff. They did the best they could. I still think it looks better than a lot of the crap we see today. What do you got for most rewatchable, CR? I'm probably going to go with finding the brother's tomb.

I really enjoy that with like breaking through the floor, the X marks the spot, doing all the stuff at the window, and then, you know, like, her being like, what's this one? And he's like the Ark of the Covenant. She's like, are you sure? He's like, pretty sure. It's just got all the indie stuff that you want right in one scene. And I just think that's such a neat scene. I agree. That's my favorite scene. Sequence as well.

I feel like there could have been more of these, like the whole thing where Spielberg's like, I don't know. We keep coming back to the wild. It's like, I feel like you could have pumped these out every two years. That was my hottest take. It was just like, why. I just, there could be 15 of these. Like I, there's like enough ideas. of like, what if we made him do this? Or what if he was looking for that?

And I was like, I don't know. In the long scheme of things, like, does you look back? You're like, I could have done eight more indie movies? Yeah, like, he could have gone to Egypt and found somebody's tomb? Yeah. I don't know. You want to come up with some more ideas here?

No, that's it. That's all I got. We could have gone to Canada and found the Vancouver, Prisley. The United and Jerusalem were very well, China. Like, there could have just been like a bunch of, there's a lot. Just have him to do the Seven Wonders. I think that these movies are pretty hard on Harrison.

and Ford's body. So that was an issue. Because he insists on doing all the stunts. I have for most rewatched, but I really like the River Phoenix part. Yeah, that is really good. Like, if I'm flipping channels and that movie's about to start, I'm like,

ah, River Phoenix, but... Well, they don't... I'm sure you have this in part of the research, but I think they actually could have even improved it a little bit more if they just let us know that that was supposed to be Marion's dead. You know, the idea that that was supposed to be Abner Ravenwood, is that Marion's last name?

Yeah. And that he was Indy's real mentor, or the father who wasn't, you know, who was there for him. That's why he wears the hat. It's why he's got the bullwhips. Why he's got all the stuff. And that he went into this life of adventuring archaeology instead of professorial archaeology.

Would have tied the bow a little bit more on that story. But it's fun as it is. I mean, it still really works. But just reading that that was their intent, actually got me more excited. Today's most rewatchable scene was brought to by Disney's Indiana Jones and Dowell, Destiny. Don't miss the final installment of this iconic franchise.

Indiana Jones and Dalla Destiny is rated PG-13 only in theaters, June 30th, the day before MBA Free Agency. When the Knicks get Porzingis back. Indy comes home and Porzengis comes home the next day. Chris has Porzingus in the Dial of Destiny. And the Julius Randall Cap figure. It was all foretold in the sports almanac

that I gave to myself from 20 years in the future. What stage the best? I like the idea of Holy Grail, protectors. Yeah. The secret order of the cruciform sword. That's right. Basically the next temple are, right?

That's one where Lucas was like, it's like 1230 at night. They're on their seventh bottle of Pinot Noir. He's like, what about that? Where are you out on the Grail? You big grail guy? Thank you for bringing this up. I have a lot of thoughts. I'd like to hear shots.

The whole story is just absolute horseshit. Oh, come on. Just what are we taught? So this is the cup, the chalice that Jesus Christ, the Savior, drank from at the last supper. and because he drank from it. No, and then they catch his blood at the crucifixion. And that would lead to eternal life and youth

for whomever drinks from the cup. You're doing picking nits on Christianity? You're a laugh, Catholic. On the Holy Grail. I mean, not on Christianity. I'm not a practicing Christian. I'm not making any judgments in that respect. The mythology of the grail, I say no.

No, thank you, sir. It's like, honestly, probably one of the bedrocks of, like, Western storytelling is the grail myth. Well, you fools fell for it. I don't know what to say. I feel like my aquarium. What do you think, Kirk? Carry on.

I don't like to hold the grill at all. I don't even know what to say about Sean's blasphemy, but. Okay. So, okay, I had this whole phase when I was a kid because the Philadelphia Art Museum has a big collection of crucifixion art. And also medieval armor. So I got really into King Arthur. Grail was a big thing for King Arthur he sent those guys out to look for it

And I just got really obsessed with it What happened to all those guys he sent out? Well I mean Dead, some of them They died. Questing for something that doesn't exist That doesn't grant powers But they were going through like a plague years there

It cleaned a bullet wound pretty fast That was pretty cool In the mythology of this film It works wonderfully But this is just a movie So does Sean Connery of Eternal Life though? I had this later for probably We'll get into it, yeah

We've built Grail Yay, nay Yeah, did you ever have a king Arthur phase or Grail phase or anything? I never had a phase, but I like the, I like the concept, the idea. You know it's there. Yeah.

To me, it just kind of transformed into the NBA title. Like Yerker's Ryan trophy. Yeah, look, Yolkins that. It's similar. He gets superpowers. He does get eternal youth. Legacy power. He's remembered at this age forever.

He's notherty. 2011, Holy Grail. It's a great thing. Reggie Jackson, 2023. And also Larry O'Brien also crucified, as I recall. That's why he got the trophy. There was a thing. On one of the weird NBA Instagram things that I follow that had the 1976 championship celebration from the Celtics when the NBA trophy was still the Stanley Cup, it looked like the Stanley Cup.

And then the next year with the Blazers, when they went, it turned into what the trophy looks like now. And you see this cup and you're like, that's amazing. Why did they get rid of that thing? Apparently it's in the Hall of Fame. When I'm in charge of the NBA, the cup comes back. We get rid of the Larry. I don't know the origins of the Stanley Cup Is it somehow related to

Lord Stanley But like Christian Oh I don't know Artifacts He just wanted to talk more about the NBA I don't think it was like This is actually I thought you're going to close the loop on that

No No okay All right But it felt more holy graily I guess is my point It was more like a cup You could drink out of More what's age the best

We've said this And when we did Raiders The Nazis is villains You just don't get any better For a movie villain It's the peak. And we got the big dog in this one. Yeah.

Yes, we do. We do. We get Connery. We get Conner saying Nazis. I hate these guys. It's great stuff. Indy and the dad both sleeping with Elsa. I know we talked about that.

You said, what's age the best? Well, just that they went for it in 1989. It was like fucking balsy. I'm actually surprised they did that. I appreciated it. Yeah. Like, wow. Sam Levinson directed this one.

Harrison Ford's 46. Sean Conner, only 12 years older, 58 at the time of making this movie. Allison Dutty, 21 years old. Man. Yeah. Okay. Did that age the best?

A lot of Larry O'Brien trophies passed between the three of them. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of championships. The quest for the Grail is not archaeology. It's a race against evil. If it's captured by the Nazis,

the armies of darkness will march all over the face of the earth. Had that in what's age the best? Great setup for our conflict. We sure about that? The armies of darkness? What's going on with you? I don't know. I'm the grail. Are we sure it's good?

I don't know. I'm just not sure. It's a short scene, but Hitler autographing the diary when you don't know what's going to happen is really, really, really, really smart. Well done. Good moment. What a Harrison Ford and Connery? We covered a lot of the other ones. Yeah, I mean, like off that, I love Harrison Ford's fixed Scottish accent right before he meets actual Scotsman, Sean Connery. Oh, before time.

Did you intend to leave us standing on the doorstep all day with the wrench? Look, I've gone and caught a sniffle. Are you expected? Don't take that tone with me, my good man. Now battle off and tell Baron Brunwell that Lord Clarence Macdonnell and his lovely assistant. I'm here to view the tapestries. Tapestries?

Dear, me the tapestries. And I love when you watch this movie, this stuff and it's probably the Lucas part, all these little rabbit holes you can go down of like the Chronicles of St. Anselm which is like kind of true but it's basically like the Canterbury Bishop who is like here's where the grail is and the brothers of the cruciform stored

or the Knights Templar and yeah it's like a fun movie to like study. I thought Julian Glover aged really well here like this is about to be Grand Master Paisel from Game of Thrones. Walter Donovan? Yeah. Yeah. And is it kind of a great heel figure in movies over the course of 40 years.

And his turn in this movie is perfect. You think he's on one side. And then there's a classic indie reverse. I guess so, yeah. The Kid Cuddy Pursuit Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop also wins the Great Shot Gorder Award for Most Cinematic Shot. The Final Shot when the indie music kicks in and we get the sunset. The Horizon. Love it.

The Horizon. Love it. You go, Steve. Do your thing. John Ford's Dush. Yeah, it's a good one. Big Cahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. Not a lot of eating or drinking in this movie. I just re-watched, you know, I skimmed through it, so I'm willing to be wrong. I don't think a single morsel of food is consumed in this film.

No. Nobody goes to the bathroom. And they're in Venice, too. They're down, big time. That's why they needed the father-son eating scene. I have the grail as the best use of food and drink because it's water from the grill. First time. First time.

I might have won that one, I think. That's right. First time winner. Probably not the last. The Denny Thieves Benihano Award for scene stealing location. What would you go with CR? Blimp Restaurant. We got to bring Blimps back.

This is something that I'm passionate about. I just took like five flights in two weeks. And I want to fucking get up and mingle a little bit. Like I'm tired of being lots. You want to have the same experience, but over several dates, rather than eight hours. I've been looking into whether blimps are coming back because I think the Hindenberg may have, you know, like brought that down a bit. Yeah. Burn the market a little.

And there's a company launching in 2026 that's offering Arctic and African voyages. And I think we should do a live rewatchables on one of those. So I had this as one of my three possible hottest takes. I ended up doing a whole bunch of research on blimps. Yeah. Why did they fall out of fashion? They're going really strong through like the mid-50s. And then not sure what happened.

This is leading. Now that it's just like for TV. It's the good year blimp. It's floating over the game. And that's all it is. If you were going from L.A. to Chicago, and it was like you can get there in five hours, or you can get there in, what, a day and a half? How fast a blimp go?

Yeah, keep going. No one's doing that. How long is, but, like, I'm saying, like, but the option was you could just hang out in this restaurant while you flew. Yeah, you could also risk being burned alive inside of a balloon. Oh, because plane travel is just like 100 out of 100. All right. Chris, a blimp on average can travel 150. 200 miles per day.

That's horrible. That's like way worse than cars. It's like L.A. to San Diego. This is going to lead directly to I'm Sean Fennessee. Welcome to the rewatchables. Unfortunately, Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan died tragically in a blimp. Recording the five heat.

Yeah. Doing public enemies. I'll do my blimp take down. I think the Hindenberg thing really scared people up. Yeah, I do think that happened. It was the worst. It was the worst of all the... all the ways to die. It was like you're going to fall slowly to your death and then everyone gets set on fire.

People are like, whoa, blimps. I think people were ready to forget it and Led Zeppelin brought it back. No. And then stole the Zeppelin thing. It's called Led Zeppelin. No, but they brought it by having the Hindenburg on the album cover. People were like, oh, yeah, blimps. Why did we ever think that was a good idea?

Oh, they brought back the idea of hating them. Yeah, I think blimps were ready for a revival. And then sporting events. But if they made blimps that went like 300 miles an hour, it would be like, oh, do you want to go to San Francisco with me? We'll take the blimp. Oh, God. Can you imagine?

We'll time it for two playoff games. I wish you guys well. I mean, the idea of getting 10,000 feet in the air and going slow is not something I'm interested in. What if there's movie theaters? Yeah, what if there was a floating film festival? Sean's in the screening room on our blimp. Yeah, I'll take a lot of X X and then I'll watch movies for 16 consecutive days. I'm telling you, if it hadn't been such a fiery, awful crash, it was like an unusually horrible crash.

Yeah. people are like blimp's hard out if it was just like a soft landing you know like oh no it went down I'm sorry did big blimp cut you guys in check what it's happening here 150 miles an hour you know that blimps don't need like a runway

so they can land in all sorts of interesting places they can also crash anywhere 150 miles a day yeah is that but are those hiddenberg numbers or is that the newfound technology I don't know that's pretty tough

we gotta work on blimps I feel like I do 150 miles a day go into like downtown Los Angeles That's like a Zoe soccer trip. The Hindenburg could travel at 84 miles per hour. So they've only gone 15 miles from that? What the fuck was fun about going 84 miles an hour? I guess it was in the 1930s.

Yeah, that must have been mind-blowing. And that was the max speed, the cruising speed is 78. Well, I wish you guys will. Titanic people rallied back from giant yachts after the Titanic. They were like, all right, let's give this another world. Boats. I'm a fan of... commercial air travel.

It's something I'm good with. I feel like we're doing a good job. All I was saying was that it would be cool. Okay, it would be cool if planes also had like a restaurant then. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. So we need basically multi-tiered planes. Yeah.

Like a midnight run where it's just like going up the stairs and then there's like all this room and they're hanging out. What happened to the double-decker planes? I took a double-decker plane to Europe recently. It was fine. It was nice. And what happened in the Concord? I don't know. You got to bring this stuff back.

Let's try to get 800 miles an hour. You got to bring back big brick cell phones and concords. In Midnight Run, when they fly in the plane, and they're in this awesome plane that has like a staircase. I get the little. I get the stature. You get the lobster, a little surf and turf. Also, you got to bring back a world where you can make a phone call on a plane where you say, I'm talking to a dead man. What do you have for Denna Thieves, Benny Hunter, where for a scene stealing location?

I had the Blunt Restaurant. Would you have? where are they when India and his dad are like sort of seated together after they've escaped Austria In the Blimp restaurant No no no it's it's not

They're in like a motorcycle With the side car No no no it's before that sequence They're like sit it together and they're having an argument I think it's after they've broken free But before they go to Germany Before they go where they go Berlin Where they go to Berlin?

Before they go to Berlin where are they They're basically having an argument And it looks like they're about to like have a coffee but they don't. They're in Austria at the castle then they run away and then they go to Berlin. They take the motorcycle to Berlin.

Then they get in a blimp to go and then we can discuss where they go. Then an Uber. I like when they pop out of the mainhole cover and they're in the middle of like the talented Mr. Ripley all of a sudden.

I like those big giant people having coffee with lots of tables out in a big public area. The Butch's girlfriend a word for weak link of the film. I'm going to have to go with Allison Dutty here. Who's fine?

I think she's too young. We covered that earlier. She was 21 when she made the movie. And Connery is like in his mid-50s. And Harrison Ford was in his mid-40s. I just think there were better choices back then. And I have some for her cast and coach. I don't know if there's a deep bench of believable Austrian women.

Oh, I have a couple. I have a strong take about this, which is that I think that Marion should be in all of these movies. and that Karen Allen bring something to the movies that they're sometimes missing. Are you trying out for undisputed? Like, what's going on with you? The grail doesn't matter.

Marion's got to be in all these movies. Yeah, it's called podcasting. Get some takes going. No, I think she's great. And I think the ones that she's in are elevated by her presence. And there's like a toughness in that character that these other characters don't have.

No offense to Steven Spielberg's wife, Kay Capshaw. But that's kind of the weak link of Temple of Doom for me. And this movie, too, it's like Allison Dudy is just not memorable. She's beautiful. She's not bad as an actress.

I think her IMDB spoke for itself the next 35 years. I'll do recasting couch now. Greta Scotchie was in this guy. Presumed innocent a year later. Absolute man for digging in for the Greta. Presumed in a year later when she was kind of like underused in general, like big talking point with me and my high school friends. We just loved her.

She's Italian, right? She was just the best. I don't know. I think she's Italian. She's Italian, Australian. Yeah, there you go. How does she feel about Blum Travel? I think you put her in there.

I wish we could have just switched her with Alice in Duty and Presumed Innocent. Oh. Just do a movie switch. You want Duty and Presumed Innocent? I think Greta Scotchie was underused and presumed innocent. She's barely in it. Wow. I don't think I've ever seen you pull off a one-for-one trade that made sense in a movie.

Wow. Sharon Stone. is throwing 120 miles an hour in 1989 and was available and was in a whole bunch of movies like before total recall. She would have to fake the accent. She was like King Solomon,

which is essentially a... Total recall year later, but I think maybe you just make her American and then our queen, Michelle Pfeiffer. If you really want to get balls here. This is fabulous Baker Boys. Literally this year. Wasn't it this year?

Yeah. Did she ever make a Harrison Ford movie? What lies beneath? Yeah. Yeah. Good movie. My thing is, like, if you're going to get Harrison Ford, you're going to get Sean Connery, don't go with the veterans minimum as my point card.

Go get me one more all-star. We have no second apron. We have no second-a-purned the movie. We're about to make $500 million. Yeah. Go get me Sharon Stone. Go get me Greta Scotchy. Yeah.

The Sons can't re-sign campaign for the same reason. You know, we need to bring in who. Dejante Murray. Let's go. Let's go get him. Like, even Denholm Elliott is in this, and he's probably, way overqualified. Overqualified to be this kind of dopey part

that is in? They actually changed this character completely to make him more goofy for the first film. What's age the worst? Indy tries the Irish accent. Do you have any... Scottish? Scottish?

What do you got for that one? I mean, I think it's supposed to be a joke. Okay. Yeah. A joke on Sean Connery. Or just a joke about his inability to do Scottish accents, yeah. We basically mentioned everything.

The 12 years apart, the special effects. There was a part the premiere magazine that was also in the research about it was pretty hot sometimes and Connery was wearing these tweed pants and any time his bottom half was out of camera, he would just stroll around the set without pants

and people thought it was hilarious and now he would probably be arrested and thrown in jail. It's funny, people don't realize that every time we film one of these, Chris has never worn pants. It's like, ah, I remember his pants on? It's like, ah, I've ever been Sean had no pants on and it was drinking Scottish, whatever. What a fun guy!

In 1989, it's hilarious. I know. You're like, oh, man, that connery. Yeah. Any other would say George for you guys? The flight that they take to get to Venice, three layovers, that's tough. And any time when they show the map and all the stops that 1930s planes had to make where you're like, man, this thing just barely made it to Newfoundland. And then it had to stop in, like, the Azores.

And then it had to stop, like, again in Lisbon. Like, it's tough. That was a weird. For your beloved air travel. Weird era for maps and movies. where these movies would be like the top of the line people all over the place, the best score.

And then they'll be like, oh, we need a map sequence. And Bob knows how to do a map. Bob's like making a map. It's like, where Spielberg's map guy? Austria above Germany? And he's just getting that going with a red line. And they just kind of shove that in. Also, I would just say,

after watching John Wick for, it's kind of hard to go back to like a long fist fight. You know? Good point. what's up with the order of the cruciform sword I feel like that hasn't aged well why not because like what are those

The Soho House Like what those guys That's how you get into the Sohouse You're like here So there's a band of secret A secret cabal of Soldier warriors Who are protecting

The secrecy of the Grail Yeah from guys like him Is it more unlikely than John Wick the homeless assassins that are strewn around the subway system? Well, very similar actually. It's kind of tossed off, but like, so these guys have never...

They're the Knights Templar. They've never seen the grill. Well, because you have to be like of a certain purity of like soul to do it, you know? But they've dedicated their lives to that. They're willing to die by propeller to keep Indiana Jones from getting to this thing that they've never seen.

Again, I ask you, the Grail, are we sure it's good? Trying to keep everyone from the grail to keep the grail secret because in the wrong hands the grail's power is too big, you know? It just seems like a big sacrifice, you know? Show me, show me something. Show me a grail.

Who are these guys? We'll be back. We'll be back on Rogan after you. With heretic Sean? He was like, yeah, why would you care about God? Do you want to debate somebody about the Holy Grail for $100,000? I do. I bring Stephen A. in.

I'm ready to speak with him. Chris, was there a better title for this movie? Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail? Why do you think they didn't use Holy Grail? Well, because it's crusades to find the Grail and to go to reclaim the Holy Land. I think they didn't want it to be too defined by a Christian ethos. And that wouldn't have played as well overseas, honestly. I don't love the title.

And I don't know what the title should have been, but I don't love the title. Indiana Jones and his dad. I was called this the third indie with Sean Connery. Like, I don't even the title, I don't know. It's also a prequel, so maybe they can. could have gotten a little inventive with that. Yeah.

They should have just called Indiana Jones' his dad. That would we get. Indiana Junior and senior. This is a title

like a friend's episode. The one with Sean Connery. Best quote, you lost today kid, but that doesn't mean you have to like it.

It's good one. It's good one. My hottest take. Wait, can I just say I remembered my Charlemagne is my favorite quote.

May my armies be the birds and the trees and the, right, in the rocks. No? Yeah. You're mad. I'm not mad. I'm in on blimps and I'm in on the grail and you have offended me. Let's take a break and then I'll do my hottest take. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana.

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I just think the River Phoenix prequel, I just wish that had happened in 1989, and then we did this movie, like, in 1991. So they had already done Young Indiana Jones, the TV series, right? No, that was 92. It was inspired by this movie. And they tried to get River, and River wouldn't do it. By the way, if we're playing GM for a day with the franchise,

the Young Indiana Jones is probably the second movie. And then you do the prequel. Well, interestingly, Temple of Doom is a prequel. Because Temple of Doom takes place before the events. of Raiders, right? Yeah. Does Crusade take place? It's right after.

It's shortly after Raiders. Are you eliminate? Would you, if I could trade you Temple of Doom for an entire Indiana Jones prequel with River Phoenix? A film or a series? You're wheeling and dealing right now.

It really must be draft week. I just feel like that was like a, that would have been an awesome movie. It would have broken the hegemony of the series. Like it wouldn't, I think you'd have to make that in a different way than you would make an Indian, like a normal Indiana Jones series.

Well, it's interesting because the whole series is obsessed with the idea of legacy. Like the fourth film is also his son, mutt, and then the fifth film is his goddaughter and, you know, the Phoebe Waller Bridge character. So I think I would have been interested for sure. Temple of Doom, I'm just not a big fan of personally. If we had the streaming era the way we had it, so they do the Young Indiana Jones show, but it's, I don't even know what channel that was on. But now it would have been like an Amazon or an Apple show.

It would have been a Disney Plus show now. Or Disney Plus. And it probably would have been a all. awesome they would have thrown money behind it i don't know casting what ifs we mentioned the harrison ford river phoenix connection so apparently if connery said no gregory peck and john pertwee were the backup choices i don't know john pertway is who is that john pertway i just knew about peck and then amanda redman was asked to play the female lead of elsa but turned it down because she had a real life fear of rats much like i think all humans what i mean who's like you know what i like rats

Who do you have for the Ruffalo Hanna-Rubinick-Parcher's Overacting Award, Sean? They knew, and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady! I come in here, I give these things to you. Give it all you got! Give it all you got! I treated you like a son! You fucking stab me in the heart!

Fuck you! Michael Byrne as Ernst Vogel, the SS officer, really working extremely hard in this movie. I thought that the Nazi lady in the castle who, when they first turn around in the fireplace and she's like, she has like four seconds in street time.

She screams the entire time. I also think any, all movies that John Reese Davies are in are overacting awards because he was like, Indy! Indy! Come on down here, sir! Like, there's no other way of delivering lines

other than at the top of his register and very excited about who he's seeing. Like, he's never given a subtle performance. Oh, the only other casting, what if, by the way, Olivier was considered for the grill. but he passed away. Oh, yeah. Probably die just thinking of,

thinking of dealing with the grail, all that bullshit. Best that guy award? I think Allison Dutty probably wins it, right? Every time you saw her, it's like, oh, the lady from any, if she was in anything after this, it was the last crusade lady.

Yeah. She never really had another thing. You know what she did have? What? Major League two. Oh, right. Is she pretty good? No, she's the, no, she's the,

Girl, she's Beringer's girlfriend who he leaves for Renee Russo. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Rebecca Flannery. Holy shit. And then she stole his bat.

Deanne Waiters Award? I don't know. I got the grill night. Okay, that's good. There's a good story about that guy, right? What's that actor's name? I can't remember. That guy's name is...

Robert Edison. Robert, he's like a world-class stage actor who would, who had acted in a movie in 1948 and had not acted on screen since then. Wow. And they brought him in for this film that's just this one sequence. And he just knocks it out.

And he kills it. And choose wisely has lived on forever. Yeah. It's kind of a meme now. Is it? That image? You have chosen poorly. I haven't seen that.

Yeah. Wow. So Harrison Ford did many of his own stunts, which he always does. And there's a lot of quotes in there about the stuntman being like, if he wasn't such a great actor, or he would have been an awesome stuntman.

I love when they say that about the cruise or, Harrison Ford. That's the physical version of the guy who smoked a cigar and drank two whiskeys every day and lived till 96. But it's Harrison Ford and he's just thrown his body off of trucks for the last 50 years and he's going to live till he's 90. It's kind of amazing. This is kind of a bummer. Denholm Elliott was diagnosed with age shortly before filming began and was seriously ill during some of the production stuff. And I don't think lasted a lot that long after.

I think he died in 92, yeah. Most of the uniforms worn by the Nazis are authentic World War II uniforms, not replicas. They found some case in Germany, the costume designer, decided to use them. So they bred the rats for the movie. 2000 rats. Somewhere 2000 or 7,000, I saw different numbers, but you had to breed them so they didn't have disease. Couldn't do it. I just couldn't be a part of it personally.

Is rats at the top of your fear power rankings? And I don't like the idea of 5,000 of them being in the building with me. Rats, snakes, bugs. What's your ranking there? Those are the three creatures in the first three films. From most to least. I would say snakes. Like, you can kick rats.

But snakes are just, you know. I don't like the idea of being like a rat, like rat infestation. What about you? I don't like bugs. I'm kind of scared of bugs. Not just like a bug, like a single spider. No problem. 25 plus bugs in any circumstance.

Yeah. Not good. Terrified. My daughter is really scared of spiders. It's really strange. You know, one spider's like, turns into that. The following year after the last crusade,

Steven Spielberg produces his good friend, Frank Marshall's directorial. Arachnophobia. Wow. Michael Jackson visited the set during his bad concert door. And in the controversial HBO documentary leaving Neverland,

it was revealed he was brought a child actor with him who then had a bunch of claims but said that he hung out with Harrison Ford and got to swing his bullwhip. So that's on the internet. Jesus. What do you think the body count was in this movie? Well,

I would probably say like in 25, 30. What do you got, Sean? 40? 50. 13 from Indy. This is weird. River Phoenix and Sean Connery both died on Halloween.

River Phoenix in 1993. and Sean Connery in 2020. Sean Connery outlived River Phoenix by 27 years. That that was disturbing. Apex Mountain. Harrison Ford. One other half-ass internet research is just that Tom Stopper, the famous playwright, did some work on the script that I think did a lot of the dialogue between Connery and Ford. So I read, and I don't know if this was erroneous,

but I read that Spielberg credited him with almost all of the dialogue. Stopperd. Stopper. Well, there's actually not that many dialogue scenes, so that's not... The ones that there are are quite good. But that's when you look back, especially the stuff between Indy and Henry... He's like, you left home just when you were getting interesting. Yeah, like some of that stuff is really sharp.

Yeah. And it does feel like the hand of a great writer. Not that Jeffrey Baum isn't a great writer or anybody else who contributed, but it feels elevated. Apex Mountain Harrison Ford, No. I do think that he's a second apex guy though second apex yeah like some guys had such a great career Are you gonna introduce second apex mountain?

Oh there's like a second apex okay We've talked about it before What is that like when you come down the mountain And then you reascend or is it a new mountain You were up the mountain but then you got older And people were like he doesn't have it anymore And then there's like this other apex Well I'll tell you what

This is the second apex mountain for the Holy Grail itself Number apex mountains obviously catching the blood of Christ. But this is the second apex. And it would be the second... This podcast would be the second apex for blimps if we could only get them back up in the air, but big aviation won't allow it. How about rats and snakes in a movie?

Well, I would say anaconda. I agree. Anaconda is probably apex none for snakes. But rats, I mean, like, does it get any better than this? I don't know. First blood's got some good rat stuff. Oh, that's good. I do enjoy where it's a, you know, close up on indie and Nelson Dutty, and he's like, rats, and then it pans down and you actually see rats.

I'm going to say this. It's a little bit of a confession. If I was in a cave like this, like Rambo in First Blood or these guys in this movie, I just would be way more scared. Like, I'm basically holding my cigarette lighter. I'm just walking down this dark body of fucking cave water. It's like nothing good. Every step, you're like, what am I stepping on?

I just would be way more unconfident. He's gone through so many adventures, I think, by this point, he's become a little bit used to being in the catacombs, you know? Yeah, I mean, you're not Indiana Jones, right? And neither am I. That's one of the greats. Sean Connery, no. Spielberg and Lucas, no. Alice in duty, yes.

Zeppelins. No, I think, yeah. Apex Mountain? Apex Valley. I know, it's Black Sunday. Just being named. Black Sunday's good. Yeah.

You know, Led Zeppelin, I think would probably also be like a big one. one for them. How about chopped off rolling heads? Um, no. There's been better, but I couldn't think of eight heads in a duffel bag. That's a big one. You guys seen that one? Nazi stooges? There's some, these are really good stooges. I, I prefer the stooges, uh, in Raiders. Yeah, taught in Raiders is, he's great. The Holy Grail. I, I think it's, it's second place. To the last, the last supper and the crucifixion, yeah. Yeah, so you believe those events occur. So you put this over Python? Oh, good question.

For me, yes. Just like in my own personal... Python put it in the title. Much prefer Python. Best resource name. Oh, wait, I got one more... What's age... Sorry, one more...

Apex? Apex. What do you got? This is a debate. So when Indy first meets Walter Donovan, he's having a black tie party in the middle of the day. And is this the second best black tie party

in the middle of the day next to Pulp Fiction? Next to Winston Wolfex. The wolf. Yeah. Here's what we don't know. Is anyone else wearing a tuxedo at the Winston Wolf party? Or is that just how the wolf dresses?

No, there's a shot. You can see people wearing them in a book fiction. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But. Guys, don't step on the last podcast.

Let me have to do this feed. Pulp fiction. Yeah. Pulp Fiction and a blimp with short. That's a great take, though. Even if I got fired, I was like, wait, before I get fired, can I just, can we rip off the Pulpiction pod? Can I just sneak it almost famous?

Oh. Don't put us in that position, Bill. Yeah, sorry, guys. Um, yeah, that's a, you've never been to a midday tuxedo party. Yeah. I haven't either. I'm just asking. You probably have. Come on. I'd, I'd had it stumbled into like a 4.30 in the morning Vegas situation once that was like, what's going on here? But you never went to like an awards luncheon at 11 a.m. The Peabody Awards were like that, but it wasn't like a tuxedo. Okay. You haven't been to the Peabody's clearly. I haven't, no. But I have been into some,

some Vegas events like that. How many times is the watchman? nominated for Peabody. It's going to be for the idol when we bring back the head of when we turn the discourse around. I had one of my friends compared it to showgirls today. I'm like, you guys don't see it. This is not Elizabeth Berkeley. Best racehorse name?

Crusade. Last Crusade. Something with Crusade. I think Cup of Christ is a really good horse name. You want to get the word Christ into a racehorse's name? Yeah, why not? What's wrong with that? That horse is going to end up dead.

He resurrects. How about Zeppelin Rising? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Let's go with that. Pickin'nits.

X marks the spot is the name of the horse. Hmm. Picky knits. Indy, a little more dubious of Elsa maybe in retrospect. We're going to pick some nits on Indy. Just really had a hard on. The guy loves blondes.

Maybe keep your guard up a tiny bit. Yeah. With the suspicious Austrian. Yeah. It's a flaw. What's the, they've got that great exchange right at the beginning

when they first encounter and he's like, you got your father's eyes and your mother's ears. But the rest is all yours. The rest is all yours. That's just an amazing moment. Yeah.

Harrison Ford is a very good kind of like stealth horny actor. Flirt actor. Horny flirt guy, but that it's never creepy. Yeah. How he doesn't? What other pickiness do you have?

We covered everything else. I think that there's, just personally, like, there's a lot of small print, a lot of fine print on the Holy Grail, you know, where it's like you can't take it beyond the seal. Mm-hmm. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't work over here. Making my case for me here. Thank you. So I would just say within the depiction of this film, it seems like they put a lot of conditions on the power of the grail. Doesn't none of it makes sense?

Like, if the Nazis just went and got the grail, the second you leave the area, you're no longer able to live there. Yeah. And then the whole thing is, like, Donovan. is like, I'll just use it for eternal life. The Nazis can have it for whatever they want. But the second Donovan walks out the door, he no longer has eternal life. Why does somebody even need to guard the Holy Grail

if the second you leave, it's ineffective? I was going right where you are, which is the inherent flaw of not just the mythology of the grail, but of the way that it is told in this movie, which is how I understood it as like an eight-year-old when I first saw this movie is, it is illogical. It doesn't make sense. So it's the only reason why the seal thing happens

so that they don't then have to answer, like why isn't Indy's dad alive forever? I think so. I think so. It just healed him, but it didn't keep him alive forever. It's like mad to Ishbio with the second apron tax. So if I go slightly over the second apron tax, I can go $40 million over and it's the same penalty.

I'm just going over. Right before the Beal trade, Isaiah Thomas watched last crusade. He's like, I've got it. He's like, don't cross that line. Watch this. Three pick swaps. Ishby is going to turn into a skeleton of dust like that guy

sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable this movie checked four of the five boxes somehow we did not see an all black cast Indiana Jones yet I feel like the order like if you're watching these from scratch you kind of have to start with this one right and then you go to Raiders No you would do Temple of Doom Raiders this one

What was Temple? I haven't seen Temple of Doom in a while What year is that? It's like 30. Yeah. So you go Temple of Doom, this one. No, Temple of Doom Raiders, this one. Correct. That's the chronological order. And then Crystal Skull and then Dial of Destiny. Okay.

Right? Yeah, I think so. I believe so. Right? Craig, you know. Yeah. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trao, Catherine Hahn, Steve Bouchemy, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, or Philip Baker Hall? I do think that if Wayne Jenkins was the Grail Knight. It would be like, God damn,

you know, on the pending man to bow? You know what? I've been here a long fucking time, big boy. Get Walter his cup of Christ

and get him the fuck out of here. I don't know how I didn't see I've been up in here a long time coming. I didn't expect to that. Great stuff.

That's good. Oh my gosh. Just one Oscar. Who are you giving it to, Wayne Jenkins? Conry. supporting actor. I had Connery as well.

Didn't Connery just win for untouchables? Yeah, but like what the hell, you know? Just two in a row. Yeah. Okay. Cool. I got no beef with that. The Cup of Christ doesn't exist, but the Oscars, that's sacred.

We've got really respected it. I think you know that's how I feel. The thing is, is I did, this was going to sort of kind of be a hottest take. It's not really hotest takes. I've said some version of this before, but it's really dumb to me that when something like this comes along, it is not really in contention for real Oscars. That just because it's the third movie. And this has been somewhat amended.

score and costume design and stuff like that. It gets below the line stuff, but like this is legitimately one of the best movies of the year. So you would pull back Dan Aykroyd's Best Supporting Actor nomination for Driving Miss Daisy? I mean, throw it Conner's way. And this is a car crash Oscars.

This is Driving Miss Daisy wins and do the right thing as nominated movies like this or a nominee. I don't know. They're all bad, I guess. Whatever. 89's one of the worst ones. Because this also has. Michelle Pfeiffer, our queen, losing for fabulous Baker boys. Which he lose to?

To Jessica Tandy, and drive Miss Daisy. And we also have Jeff Bridges, who also should have been nominated for that movie, not getting nominated at all. And then Spike

Best screenplay, he did get nominated, but he lost to Dead Poets. I love Dead Poets. I don't know. That's tough. I mean, he should just been nominated

for Best Director. He should have been nominated. nominated for best director is where we really went south of this. Same as Soderberg. Jim Sherrod at my left foot. Kenneth Branagh, Henry V, Peter Weird, dead poets. Woody Allen Crimes of Misdemeanors.

As you know, my favorite Woody Allen movie. Yeah. It's very good movie. Oliver Stone, born on the 4th of July, wins it. Love that movie. Yeah. Pretty good year. Could have snuck spike in there, I think. You say, keep driving Miss Daisy in place. Yeah.

Keep driving Miss Daisy in place. The Grail is good. Blimps are better. Remember that scene when he was driving her? the indie oh I screwed up my chronology probably in answerable questions we talked to Holy Grail

but I wrote down the Holy Grail is it like HGH yeah some athletes we've had the past that's the extent of it yeah like if somebody all of a sudden had more home run power than maybe they had in the past it was like Holy Grailish right right the Jeff Bagwell Cup you know here's a good one

I really want you guys to think about this and dissect it has anyone ever punched more guys in a movie than Harrison Ford oh yeah who um I mean Jackie Chan or Bruce Lee like normal American guy punch like those Harrison Ford punches not like

Rocky Bell Bowdoin I don't you know no no I think Harrison Ford's punched the most people Chris is with me I've thought about this a lot because like it's it's the primary roadhouse? He gets in how many fights in Indiana? He never kicks anybody? It won't be us, but there's going to be

somebody out there who's going to watch every American male fight sequence ever filmed. Fight sequences differ than normal guys getting in a fight. Basically, he's like the wrestler. The Hulk Hogan leg drop is Harrison Ford's only moving a guy in the jaw. He just has the right

cross. He has no other moves. He doesn't have like a clothesline, a headlock. He doesn't put the He doesn't kick anyone. Yeah. It's just like right hands. He doesn't have to do jobs. He doesn't DDT anyone.

He's the only man born between 1939 and 1942 in Illinois on a Sunday. Even in the fugitive, like the one-arm guy. These are the kinds of conversations we could be having on the blimp, but you don't want to be a part of it. I don't, actually. I wish you guys will in the sky. Like the Harrison Ford Scouting report, if you're a bad guy and you're like, hey, we might deal with Harrison. It would just guard your face from the punch. Yeah, you just be like, just duck under the right and come under body shot.

because that guy has no other moves. Yeah. It's believable because it looks like he's probably punched a guy before, right? How many guys in real life do you think Harrison Ford has punched? Never added a karate kick. You know, at some point he had a personal trainer and he's like, hey, man, I just feel like I'm doing the same thing. I've heard a lot of Jitsu. Can I do all of that?

Is there some sort of, like maybe be like a Mark Zuckerberg thing? Maybe learn some judo. They're like, no, Harrison, you're good, man. Just Ray Crosses. You're good. Best double feature with this movie. I just think you pair it with Raiders and you're good to go, right?

For sure. Yeah. Don't overthink it. Andy and Red's a Watanay Award for what happened the next day. What do you think happens to the Grail Night? 700 years waiting. Do you have the internet in there?

What's he doing? The Nazis and Walter Donovan and India and his dad and Elsa come through. There's a real, they really just bumble the chain of possession there with the Grail. Grail gets lost. and your temple collapses.

Yeah. What do you think his kind of next day is? I honestly think it's exactly the same as every other day. Does he not die? I think he gets like crushed by like the rubble. I think he dies. No, but he doesn't he cross the seal? But he passed, doesn't he say like he gives the sword to Harris to Indiana Jones?

But I think he has to start his journey home, right? Like his brothers did? Oh, I thought he became mortal. Oh, he got a show on Hulu. Celebrity interviews. It's not that many. It's like 10 a year. It's kind of like

modeled after the Letterman show. He really wants to talk to interesting people about what they're passionate about. And my next guest is with the grill night. Who are your guys? This one's easy. What piece of memorabilia

would you want from this movie? It's got to be the grill cup, right? That would be the fucking coolest thing you can own. But I would give Fantasy the fake one just to see what happened. So I can. burn alive? Yeah, I just feel like looks like you chose poorly. That's gonna be

Matt Ishpia. Now drink from the Bradley Bealtrade, Matt Ishvia. I thought we'd have more depth. What do you mean the second apron? Told me we'd get a veteran point card. Isaiah, didn't you read the CBA? By the way, this metaphor makes no sense.

The coach Finn Stalk Award for Best Life Lesson. I mean, Elsa never really believed in the Grail. Saw it as a prize. What? You got to chase what you believe in. Can we just unpack her for one second? What was really going on there? Was she in it to nail archaeologists?

Nazi curious, right? So she gets kind of pulled into that whole thing. Not the first time you've said that phrase, I think. But is ultimately interested in history and, you know, like the power bestowed by great items. Okay. And then I think she just kind of like plays, you know, both sides. Great items? Is that a euphemism for Connery?

Do you think she's an archaeologist, Raya? The guy in San Jose has some potential. My name's Elsa. I love wearing leather jackets. I'm not too curious. I love just wandering Venice. So romantic. I mean the boats.

Rats not a negative. Yeah, I love great jazz. Who won the movie for you guys? So I actually think Harrison Ford went the movie. I think Steven Spielberg. This is probably... I think Harrison Ford as well. That's why he and I get it.

That's why he's going to die in a blimp together. Well, Star Wars wasn't necessarily a Harrison Ford vehicle. Raiders, then Temple Doom comes out. It makes money, but people who didn't like it. everyone got mad at everybody. So he kind of needed, he needed this for the resume. I can make repeatable, awesome.

Color Purple, Empire of the Sun always three in a row, three non-successes for him. This puts him back on track, I think. And then he basically is the absolute king for 20 consecutive years. From 1993 through,

through, I don't know, 2012, he's the king. What do you got, Craig? Can I add one life lesson? Yeah. When you spend your entire life searching for the Holy Grail and eternal life and you finally get there and there's 60 cups, maybe take a beat. Think about which one it is. That was great. When Walter Donovan gets there, he's like, I don't know anything about the cup of Christ.

And Elsa goes, it's this one. He's like, great. Let's take a sip. Because Elsa's been so dependable this entire time. Yeah, right. Oh, okay. 21-year-old Elsa's like, this is the cup, Donovan. He's like, perfect. No questions asked. Let's send it. That is true. That could have been a. Let's think about this. I would have been there for five hours studying each time. Do you think Donovan is like as he's like decaying is like

I could have bought the Padres or something. You know what I mean? Like I could have just been like a baseball team over there. Was that like a reference to Who had been like the Reds? Yeah. Or just something like he could have just. Yeah.

What else he got? Raiders is my favorite movie. I adore this movie. Harrison Ford's number one all time for me. I just yearn for the days when directors would stay on for an entire trilogy. Doesn't happen anymore. Oh, that's a good one Could I always bring some wisdom?

That's true. The closest... Did Nolan do three in a row? He did, right? He did. Yeah, so he's the last one? Well, there were three Hobbit films all directed by Peter Jackson.

I think those concluded after Dark Night Rise's. Because, like, all the oceans movies are Soderberg. Yep. Obviously, Godfather. Soderberg just did the third Magic movie. Yeah. You know, so those Hobbit movies they came out in the theater?

Steleski's done all the Wicks movies. True story, Chris and I saw all three Hobbit films together, and they were often released over the holidays, and so it would be like December 26th, and we would be arm in arm watching these films that kind of suck, honestly. They're not very good. Like in an empty Glendale movie theater.

But it was a nice tradition we had. I haven't seen one minute of any of them, and there's not a day that goes by where I feel an ounce of regret. Can I actually, I'm going to take this opportunity to say that I blame you because you made us move to Los Angeles to work for you. And we had no friends around the holidays. Yeah. Fair.

So Harrison Ford, you're number one. My number one. Your guy. Yes. It's so funny. He transcends the generations, man. He truly does. I love his, like, casual.

I love his, like, silliness. And I think the Indiana Jones movies in general, like the humor in this movie is almost like Buster Keaton-ness. He's so funny. He's really funny. You know, even Brody being like, how do you get off a tank? And then he falls off the tank.

It's like very old school, physical humor, Charlie Chaplinist type of stuff. And Harrison Ford's silliness is, like, normal guy kind of, like, persona. I just, I love. We forgot to mention the great moment when Harrison Ford is captured and he's like, Brody knows 12 languages and he has friends all over the world. You'll never see him again. There is no Brody.

Does anybody here to speak English? That stuff is just like so good. Well, it's funny. He does what lies beneath where spoiler came out 23 years ago, but he ends up being the bad guy. But watching that movie, one of the brilliant things, I like that movie. But in the theater, it was inconceivable that he was going to be the bad guy. Yeah. Like presumed innocent is all based around like,

Harrison Ford couldn't have done this. He's Harrison Ford. Same thing with the fugitive. And then in that one, it's like, oh, he's the fucking bad guy. It's really satisfying when you reveal. It's a little Hulkkely and NWO-ish, right? It's really great. Oh, my God, they turned him?

Yeah. But so that one, the other one that I thought should have been a better one for him, but it never got there was the Ann Hedge movie. Six Days and Seven Nights. Because all the hollabaloo about her with El Degeneres like overshadowed that whole movie. It's actually a good movie. Yeah.

I like that movie. It is. Yeah, that movie's good. Yeah. It's like a, you know, it's like a slapstick people thrown together in some weird situation. Swimmer, too. Yeah, it's a good action movie. But it's just kind of slipped through the cracks with him.

There's been a couple. Russian and K-19, The Widowmaker? He is. Yeah. He has a couple of movies in the late 90s, 2000s. I think, um, what at random hearts is a Sydney Pollock movie with him and Scott Thomas. It's kind of an interesting movie.

I like that movie. Yeah, he's got a few of those in the 90s, morning glory. That's like 2010. Sabrina was the big. Sabrina was the big miss. Yeah. It's just an unnecessary movie. Yeah, it's just people.

It just made people mad. And then regarding Henry is just, have you seen regarding Henry? No. He's this asshole New York lawyer and he gets shot in a head foiling a robbery and he becomes brain damage, but it becomes a better person. That's the movie. Isn't it a blind movie? The bullet is like resting on his brain in a way that makes him a nicer guy?

Yeah. It was very maligned at the time. But I was nine and I was like, this is a heartwarming tale of getting shot in the head. Can I have? I ask one more question. It's now hilarious. What happened to the adventure genre? Well, you know.

What? I mean, superhero movies ain't that. Yeah. I also think that like the world is more known now. So people would just have a sense like there's not like really that sense of adventure. Like the globe trotting, swashbuckling person. So there's one other piece though. I think a lot of these failed.

There was a lot of Raiders ripoffs. Like I remember they just did uncharted it a couple years ago. I mean, the Jumangi movies are this for what it's worth. Yeah. Lost that Al Corpour made one. Remember that one? Yeah. That was Richard Chamberlain.

Golden Child was like Eddie Murphy's biggest failure, which was basically a little Holy Grailish. I kind of like Golden Child. I like it. Everybody I know who loves Indiana Jones is just like, I love the adventure genre. I love just like bouncing around to cities all over the world, finding stuff.

Because now I feel like it's just action movies. It's Tom Cruise as Ethan Hunt traveling the world. Yeah. But that is an action, not an adventure movie. Adventure movie is like 25% action, 75% mystery and puzzle solving and adventure. Was it you and I who were talking about this? I can remember, but.

The big difference is just what Indiana Jones's job is. It's just being an archaeologist means he needs to be surrounded by history as opposed to a spy. Most of the time, these people are spies. Or their thieves are criminals, like in Fast and Furious films. But mostly, you still get adventure movies that they're just spies in the movies. And this is a rare case where a guy has a job where it makes sense if he's inside of the Sphinx or if he's inside of the Vatican, you know? There's one that we didn't mention that is the best example of what Craig's talking about that fucking crush. and had a sequel

Romancing the Stone. Yeah. Yeah. Which made Michael Douglas a movie star. It pushed Kathleen Turner. She became an A-pluser. And then they ended up doing the sequel.

But that movie was like a monster. You should watch that one. If you like movies like this, that's a good one. The last time I feel like somebody made a, well, I guess uncharted and there's been a couple of other attempts. But the last one was basically

DaVinci Code. That was three of those. I saw the first one. I think crazy. Right. Like a romance in the stone type movie, those things should happen more. The Sandra Bullock, like the Lost City. Those movies are, it's a fine movie.

It's okay. Yeah, but I'm just saying like they were trying to do that. Right. And that's why I kind of enjoyed it, to be honest, because I thought the backdrop of just where they were made the movie half more interesting. I think that those movies are trying to be outwardly, aggressively, funny, and the brilliance of Indiana Jones is it's a very dry humor.

You know, it's a very dead pan. Self-aware. Kind of, you know, physical humor. And everything is very meta now. Let's make one. What about like the last Grantland hoodie available? Yeah, that's good. It's just a guy on eBay.

Somebody has been transported to Thailand. We have to go find it. My brother's been asking me to get him a Grantland hat ever since I started here, and I was like, I can't find those. There's like a Grantland TLDR hat. What were you out on the grill before we go? I'm not a religious person, so I side with Sean in terms of his. However, in the movie itself, I have no problem with it.

CR and the Zeppelin of Destiny. We can turn the. DeAndre Aiton and a Miles Turner, Buddy Heald. No, Matt! Don't drink from that cup! Drink it! Buddy Heald will give us spacing. This is a good idea.

The GM Grail? All right. This was produced by Craig Horlebeck. Chris and Shaw, good to see you as always. We'll see you next week.