The Rewatchables - ‘It’s Complicated’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Mina Kimes

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and ESPN’s Mina Kimes are having an affair with Agnes Adler’s husband as they revisit Nancy Meyers's 2009 romantic comedy ‘It’s Complicated’—starring Meryl Streep, Alec Baldwin, and Steve Martin. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nair, and Jack Sanders Book your next business trip at holidayinn.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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but we didn't name the pattern that we were wearing. I changed because I felt like it was too on the nose to wear all white, since we're doing a Nancy Myers movie. And, you know, white parties, like not a good, thing right now. So I changed. Literally, I was wearing a white shirt over this and I changed. And now here we are. Timmie is scared off outfits. Like, Jesus. You did a football show earlier today. The NFL Live. Yeah. In white. Yeah. It's complicated. Just an elite movie. Nancy Myers.

Let's do it. We're going to play the trailer and we'll go. Jane and Jake used to be married until he cheated with Agnes. Now they're married, but he still has feelings for Jane. I've never really known how to live without you. You're not. It turns out a little bit of a slush. This is wrong. I like that you stopped getting bikini waxes. So wrong.

And just when it couldn't get any more complicated. You brought me a gift. Thank you. I thought that would. It did. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not. It's complicated. Oh, M.G. I thought he'd never leave. This film is not getting rated.

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com to book your stay. All right, the goat, Nancy Myers. Absolutely. Love it. You go first, then we'll go to Mina. We've done Nancy Myers before on the pod, but come on. We have, but I don't know whether I fully articulated my Nancy Myers' Autour theory on that rewatchable.

So if we're going to call Michael Bay and Autour, if we're going to call, you know, any of the genre or like big budget filmmakers with this specific style autos, then Nancy Myers, a thousand percent it. Like, a recognizable visual style seems that she returns. to with some of the greatest actors in the world, made a ton of money and a huge influence, like, certainly in movies. And you can watch all the bad Netflix ripoffs of her, like, all the time. But also, you know, design, like Airbnb, lots of companies.

Oh, Nancy Myers, like a really big check and have been selling, like, the Nancy Myers aesthetic for a very, very long time. So I'm a huge fan. And this is, if not the best of her movies, my favorite of her movies. Really? Starting up hot. Ooh. It's over something's got to give.

Well, that's the best. Yes, that is best. It's the best. And that is where, like, the auto three, like, fully comes through because that movie makes over $100 million. Diane Keaton, Jack Nicholson, and, like, and Keanu Reeves. Forgive me for not saying Keanu Reeves sooner. But I don't know.

You know, I realized, Bill, also, when we're watching this and thinking about talking with you, this is a divorce movie and a divorce kids movie. So maybe that's a little bit where I come in, where I have a soft spot. I do as well. Are you a COD or now? I am not a COD. All right. So we'll take that part.

You're Nancy Meyer's thoughts because you have not been on a Nancy Meyer's rewatchables yet. Every single one of our movies is a rewatchable to me. So I'll start off there. I don't know how many of you guys have done. You've done the holiday, I know. Yes. They're all rewatchable. The only one I haven't done is something's got to get.

And the intern. And then also if you're counting, if you count the ones that, she wrote. So, yeah, baby boom. Yeah, we're talking about reconcilable differences, which is not available anywhere. Bill and I did Father of the Bride

and we both cried. We didn't do Parent Trip. That's true. Oh, Parent Trip, very important to Craig's generation and a classic. The COD movie. Yes. Yeah.

I agree with pretty much everything Amanda said. I like how you defined her why she is an atore. Because I feel like it's a genre movie. All of her movies are genre movies, but elevated, right? They're comfort food, both visually and the plot points and the characters and all that. But they're better than your usual rom-com fair because of the performances she gets out of her actors.

And then they defy conventions in a lot of ways. So I love every single one of them. And the actors who want to be in her movies. Totally. She gets a higher class of people. Yeah. She gets the best, Baldwin, probably the best movie performance he's done this century. Absolutely.

He had some good ones in the 90s. What I like about her, why I said the goat is, I just think she's a 101. Nobody's in this universe. Like she's going to die and nobody's going to be like, oh, that's the new Nancy Myers. And I don't know what it is, like the real estate, which we're going to talk about a lot.

But some sort of eyes she has on how the movie should look. And then the fact that she has like these complicated, well-thought-out, well-structured adults that you don't get to see. Usually they're just in some sort of lane. It's like, oh, I know that person. Yeah. The Meryl Streep character in this movie is really interesting. interesting. There's a lot going on and you feel like by the time the movie's over, you feel like

you know her and she's like, oh, she's in a better place now. Right. Oh, she doesn't need to be with Jake anymore. She should be like, she's grown past this. But you want to argue with her in the moment and you're like, no, why are you doing this? Yeah, you got to spark with Jake. Yeah, or there's some decisions she does or doesn't make during the course of the movie that I think about regularly, including the browlift, you know? So, and the, so it's, she's going through it and you go through it with her. I'm not getting a brow lift, but every time I think about, like, should I do something

to my face, I think about that scene and it's complicated. And that, and the plastic surgeon being like, we will staple your skill back this way, and then you'll have a headache for three to six months. And I'm like, no, I'm not doing it. So she writes, Private Benjamin, Reconcilable Difference is Baby Boom, Father of the Bride. Yeah. I love trouble, a movie that I

feel like with different actors might have worked. Like, a good example of like Nick Nolte and Julie Roberts together, no, thank Thank you. Do they hate each other? I feel like they said they hated each other. And they're behind the scenes. They hated each other's guys.

Oh, behind the scenes. And then on, they were like, are they rivals or ex? They work for newspaper. Newspaper rivals. By the way, dated, I don't even know what that would be now. But yeah, it was one of those that I think with different people maybe works. Father of the Bride, too. Parent trap, directs.

What woman want? How do we feel about that movie now? I will be honest. I rewatched it a few years ago. And, like, if you put everything you know about Mel Gibson in a, in a locked box, which maybe also you have to do with Alec Baldwin for this movie. But anyway, he is very charming in it. And it is kind of funny. It's like obviously a little retrograde. But it did well. Yeah. They mostly do well, right? I mean, you like this is the she's constantly underestimated. We'll get into that. I'm sure when we talk about the criticism of it, both as an artist and when it comes to the box office over and. over again year after year with her. And they're all bangers. I would say what women want is kind of low on my power rankings personally.

You might as well. Yeah. But it's still a good movie. Something's got to give the holiday. It's complicated, the intern all in a row. And she's, she, after it's complicated, doesn't really do anything for six years. Right. You know, it's getting up there in age.

Maybe only want to do really great ideas. I don't know. And then the intern is 2015 at this. So it's been 10 years. She wanted to make a movie. Yeah. But they, yeah. Well, and I think Warner Brothers, but they couldn't agree on a budget.

And many people were saying that Nancy wanted to spend too much on her movie, to which I say, give Nancy all the money that she needs. Yeah, let Nancy cook. We let everyone else cook. This stuff costs money. Maybe she wanted like a $200 million. I think it was actually like 180 was like the budget of the whole movie. So that was a lot. Well, it's funny that in the air of streamers overpaying for stuff that people were like, whoa.

Yeah. Too far. Nancy's going too far. Going too far. But when you go back to the beginning of her career, it was like the same thing. Who's going to see this movie with just a woman as the lead? Goldie Hawn. Do women even go to, yeah.

Turns out women going, like literally flux to see her movies. Well, I mean, we'll talk about the Merrill Street part, but there's a whole Nancy Myers real estate. I don't know if you've done this deep dive. I'm excited to talk about. It's a cottage industry of people writing long, think pieces about Nancy Myers. You know, everybody's got to make a living. Here's what I think the common thing.

I did a lot of research. Big giant rooms with high ceilings. Of course. She loves the high ceilings. Like a lot of space. Like a great room? Or just kind of... If you can see another room behind the room we're looking at,

home run for her. Like if you can see the kitchen behind like the big casual living room, she's... So open floor plans. She likes open floor. She likes when it looks lived in. There's knick-knacks everywhere. There's like a match. I don't even imagine how many...

She must just be in the set for like a week, just putting... I think so. A little weird knick-knacks down. Neutral paint collars for the most part. Yeah. Doesn't go crazy. No like aqua kitchens or anything like that. A lot of wood.

Mm-hmm. She likes wood. She likes oak, like big antique kind of, you can see. You found it in some yard sale. And then the kitchens. The kitchens. Every time there's a kitchen in Nancy Myers movie, my wife is like, that kitchen is just, I just can't believe. And this one has maybe the best one of all of them.

It's true, though the irony of it is that she, the plot engine of the movie is that she wants to renovate it. And I, for many years... I had it in a nitpick because it's a great kitchen. Expand, expand. Yeah, she wants to expand it. And for many years, I've been like, it's perfect. I will say rewatching it, again, to defend that take, like, some of the storage, like, things are crammed in. You know what I'm saying?

She can't really move the way that she wants to. Right. She probably has more stuff and less places to put the stuff. So now I do understand why she wants a bigger kitchen in this movie. Nice little table in the middle for her kids to sit at. I like that part. The high island. She wants to get kind of the engine of the movie is her redesigning this kitchen, which she wants, she says, four walls, its own room, which is very outdated because the format that used the movie.

Though, is that what about, is that standing in for what the character wants? At the beginning, she thinks she wants four walls closed off. And then she needs to learn to let love in. See what we did, Mina? I mean, I like her house as it is. Her $10 million house that a bakery owner could actually afford. I mean, it's like a dream house for me. She makes California seem like the best version of California in all her movies, too.

Like she's supposed to be like Santa Barbara, right? And it's just suns out all the time. There's no morning haze in this. version of Santa Barbara. She's beautiful. She's jogging at 8.30. It's just a meeting. It's just super sunny.

Does it bother you at all that she lives in the house of like a Hollywood studio owner and she is a bakery owner in Santa Barbara? Like the house has a courtyard. The garden is like are you because it's a tapest. She got divorced, right? She got divorced from a lawyer. We figured he's a rich lawyer. Yeah, but he didn't make partner until after their divorce.

Oh, interesting. Because he says in that speech he's like, you finally made, you know, I made partner. You have your baker. like we made it where we're supposed to be. Now, I do think that's a little late in the chronology because he's 58. And so he's probably making partner by 45. Even I know Big Law has its issues. Yeah.

So, but, you know, listen, I have lawyer parents. But he is making some money. But I mean, this is part of movies and TV shows. Everybody's house and apartment is way nicer. Listen, that bakery should be making a lot of money. Maybe in 2009 it wasn't. It was packed. It is packed.

But they're only charging $6.50 a bag for granola. Now that granola would be definitely $22. Right. You walk in it. And it's like Jones on Third-esque. They probably shot it in the Prospect Park Boathouse. The bakery is not L.A., which kind of blew my mind. But the reason I asked that question is it came up in a lot of the reviews.

We were like, this is so unrealistic. A woman, like, you know, not they didn't say women. Well, that's annoying. The business owner would never be able to afford this house. And I say, yeah, and John Wick can't kill 20 people in two minutes. But it's the same part of your brain. It's just a different version of it, to your point comparing to Michael Bay. Shut it off.

It's funny. I was thinking the opposite. I was thinking how if they made this movie like 15 years later, she would be like a borderline billionaire. She would have like this incredible social media and she would be a franchise and be sending her desserts out to 20 countries. Yeah. So like maybe they haven't franchised it out yet. That's the remake. Yeah, there are multiple Jones on thirds now.

Who's starring in the remake when they do that? It's basically, it's complicated again, but now she's like a bakery mogul. Dakota Johnson. She's basically Nancy Soverton crossed with whoever. Yeah, maybe it's Dakota Johnson. She's back. So this house, Spanish-style ranch, soft white kitchen. Yeah.

Just a lot of dishes. That's another Nancy Myers thing. Sure. Can we talk about? Sheldving? Yeah. It's one of my big issues with the Nancy Myers aesthetic in general. And otherwise-

I think she thinks it looks good. But I guess it looks good in movies. That's what I mean. But it's an epidemic in real life, you know? And it's just, it's so hard to maintain. You've got to keep everything just so. What if you're actually using your dishes? How do you keep the dust off of it?

They don't have to worry about that in a movie, though. I know. I know that's true. But I think that it's one of these things where we've set unrealistic expectations. I was like, what did I get into it? I was talking about the Green Bay Packers backup corps. I know you. Okay, so I've been to both of your houses. Yeah.

I was trying to, I was like, actually Bill's house, I feel like has a little bit, just compliments to your wife. There's a little bit of a Nancy Myers vibe to the interior. It's a lovely way. Yeah. It really is. Yeah. She is.

For you, I feel like the palette maybe, the neutrals is very, but you do like a tidier less shabby sheet club. I mean, I wish I liked a tidier thing. Here's the issue is that I don't like, we just have too much. stuff, you know, but the open shelves, there's nowhere to put it. Yeah. So it's stressful. There's front porch is always good.

There's always a porch or a deck. I'm in the courtyard. The courtyard. Got a nice little view of the ocean. The garden. Come on. Really nice house. I personally think there would be people there all the time working on that garden.

Yeah, of course. That's like a five days a week, people trying to keep that going. Like the size of those tomatoes. Yeah. There's just too much. Probably some coyotes. Maybe her chipped. Yeah, I was going to say there's like no netting.

There's no, acknowledgement of wildlife, which are, you know, if you've tried to grow tomatoes as I have, it didn't last very long. Why not her children? Because they appear to not have jobs or do anything other than just hang around Merrill Streep's house. Right. Oh, I can't wait to go into the children. Oh my. But this is another Nancy Myers trope, which is these like children of. Right. Excuse me. Amanda Pete was a very, very high profile auctioneer at Christie's and or Sotheby's. Okay. She's 28 years old and is just like auctioning off millions of dollars of art. She had children in real life, right?

Amanda Pete? No, Nancy Myers. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh. The children in the movies do not resemble adult children that people have. No, it's true. Which it's like her fantasy of what adult children would be for a divorce couple. And this is how they would act.

Just around. They're all going to climb in bed together and just be ready to talk to mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of them's like 28. Merrill Street. Yes. The actual goat. Yes.

Like, the best actor at all time. Where do you even begin, right? I wrote a column, I think for ESPN the magazine, must have been like 08 or 09, where I figured out some scoring system for actors and actresses based on Oscar nominations and whatever. And even then she had the highest score by far. And now she's had, I don't know, six, seven more nominations. But this is a really interesting stretch of her career where it feels like she's moving maybe

on the back nine of something. Okay. She's hitting her mid-late 50s, maybe time for the new generation to come in. She rips off. Devil wears Prada. Mama Mia, doubt. Julia Julia. It's complicated in the Iron Lady from 06 to 11.

Four Oscar nominations and one for Iron Lady. It was honestly like Brady. Yeah. It was like Brady the second three Super Bowls and Tampa. Yeah. Just ripping them off. I was there because he lost one to the Phillies. I mean, to the Eagles, sorry.

I know. I know. Right city. I know. It was a big thing for all the Philly people. You lop off Iron Lady, and that's one of, like, the great film runs in history, in my opinion. From Devil Wars Prada to it's complicated. I know, but like, inter...

Just like that six-year run is better than most actor-actors any run they've ever had, where you have commercial movies, Oscar movies, Oscar performances. And I feel like emblematic of, like, when you try to describe what makes Merrill Street so great, or inches of really challenging to do, succinctly. those movies, there's no like clear through line. They're all, the characters are all so different. Her performances are so different. And that to me is her defining qualities as an actress, which is she's played literally every type of character in every possible way. And this character is, I would say, and it's complicated, unlike even like, including

some of the romantic comedies, unlike any other character she's ever played. She is the Saturn at Live sketch when they pretend to be Merrill, when like Chloe Feynman's pretending to be Merrill Street. that's who she is in this movie. She's laughing and every joke. She's just happy. And then Devil Wars Prada doesn't crack a smile for two hours. Doesn't raise her voice.

You know, everything at a whisper. What's your number one Merrill Street performance ever? I mean, you can get artsy-farty with this if you want to. I mean, the most important to me is absolutely Devil Wars Prada. And I think about Miranda Priestley all the time. Do you think she thinks that? She's probably like, how the fuck do they not think this is Sophie's choice? She's making another one.

No, I don't, you know, another Devil Wars Prada. No, I know. Because I actually think it's her, it's probably her most enduring performance. Yeah. Whereas that sounds because she's won three Oscars and been nominated, like, over 20 times. But I think Devil Wars Prada will live on 50 years from now. Yeah. And be the first movie people think of her in, which is kind of crazy.

Can you know? I kind of do. What else? I mean, I'm not talking about like how great performance was. No, no, no, I hear you. Like, iconic and memorable. Like when your kids get older, at some point they will watch that movie. It's the most rewatchable, I would argue, in any of your movies.

One of the most rewatching movies of all time. It's in the running for most rewatchable at 21st century. Yeah. How do you feel about them making a second one? I'm actually, I'm excited for it. So am I. Like, my heart's open and everyone's coming back. Everybody's coming out.

Except for Adrian Grigny. That's fine. So he needs to come back. No. He's in Boston. He's been making French. He needs to come back. He's fine.

He's figured out a new grilled cheese recipe. He's been cheated on 28 times. One of the all-time pointless male romantic comedy roles. It was a real loser. It was really when they flipped the tables on that part. And it was like, what if a guy just had the shittiest part in the movie by far? Anyway, this was a crazy run for her. And I was like, I wonder if this is the best run of her career.

And then you go back. And there's this like, Sophie's Choice, French Lieutenant's Woman, out of Africa, Silkwood. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Harper. She basically gets nominated for the Oscar every year for like seven, eight straight years. So it's not. Also, Deer Hunter, Manhattan, Kramer versus Kramer. That was her best supporting actor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's pretty crazy. I said that Kramer versus Kramer, I think, is my favorite performance of hers other than, other than double. I have a take sort of related to that movie for one of my categories. Okay, save it. And then Alck Baldwin. Yeah. Who in the 2000s.

Talk about it. transitions into becoming a really, really funny actor. He's an incredible S&L guest host. He's in Along Came Polly. He's really funny. He's funny in The Departed. He's excellent in this. Does 30 Rock.

Right. And this is at the same time. 30 Rock's happening. And he's kind of like an A-Lister again, like in a real way. Are you guys 30 Rock people? Yeah. I never was. Okay.

But you've seen, you're familiar with it. is he just playing Jack Donagie in this movie? Pretty much. I just want to do it. And it's not a bad thing. I would argue he almost runs away with this movie. He is incredibly funny. We're going to get into it.

But he is basically just like a character. Softer, softer Jack. Like a more likable. Well, it's like. I think of this Alec Baldwin as there's 80s, there's working girl. Alec Baldwin's thinking of rewatchables. And then he's handsome. Are we doing a phase?

Is it about Alec Baldwin? Yeah, well, that's how I think. Because don't forget about malice out, Baldwin. Sure, right, where he's, I guess I do. Like Malice Getaway, like, leading man, kind of a dirtbag or the edge. Right. But then he's reinvents himself. And in my head, he's like half Jav Donagie and half Jake from It's Complicated.

But they are all just kind of rich, charming blowhards with, you know, various degrees of connection to the world. But a little bit irresistible. Yeah, totally. Totally. I don't know if you. He would have found a marriage. He's way more, he's, we'll, like.

Yeah, we'll get there. Yeah. In this movie, they're extremely, like, electric together. Yeah. I've always liked them in movies and TV shows. Yeah. For a long, long time. And I think his run actually exceeded how long it probably should have gone.

Like, he had a 30 plus year run, even into the 2020s until all the recent stuff. Pretty long run compared to some of his contemporaries. look at the people he's competing against him, like 87, 88, 89. All those people are gone. That's true. And he hung around three plus decades. But I think he's so fucking funny in this movie. He's amazing.

I don't even know who else would have played that part well. I don't know who you could have put in. She has talked about... Like, pick an actor. How she really does write her characters with actors in mind. And she did that for... She's talked about it with Jack Nicholson. Right.

She was like, I can't believe I got him to do this. I have to think she wrote this role for Alec Baldwin. Like it is so specific to him. Yeah. And his abilities and his like physical comedy and like being. The home sweet home is so fucking funny. I know my favorite part of the movie. We lost it.

He's just so good. I'm able to, I don't, I know he's got a little weird the last couple years, but I don't think about it when I watch older movies like that. I just, I'm trapped in the moment. I do it with sports too. I don't carry the baggage. So I, okay, I actually put myself back in the headstead of when I first saw this movie in 2009. I saw in the theater.

Same. Wish we were friends back then. I know. I know. No, 2011 is when we met. I know. I think I saw it alone in New York. That's sad.

I saw it over Christmas with my family. You could have come. My dad loved it. And I was like thinking, what did I think about, like, Atleck Baldwin at the time. And I remember at then being like, I don't know about this guy. And then I looked back and the voicemail scandal was pretty close to. to when this movie came out. Oh, when he was yelling at his daughter.

That was tough one. Yeah. So I was thinking like, oh, actually back then, he was also fresh off of a sort of miniature. He was a little bad boyish because I know they thought about that with 30 Rock whether it was a good idea to bank on him for a five-year TV show. Yeah. So like four weeks ago, my dad was in town. As you know, I'm a child of divorce. And in the morning, my wife wanted to put something on because we were like, well, oh, let's watch a movie.

8.30 in the morning, we're having coffee. And she put this movie on, he'd never seen it. Yeah. He was dying. And we were making fun of him. We were like, was this where you're hoping would happen with me and my mom, like for the last 30 years? And he couldn't believe he'd never seen it. But I think this movie hits the most age ranges of

all the Nancy Myers other than Father of the Bride, which is like an internal movie. Father of the Bride would be passed on for as long as we're having children before AI takes over. Let's, I think you're probably right. I think Parent Trapp is much bigger with like Craig's generation and mine too.

You've been like my dad wouldn't watch Pan Amtrap. No, no, no. And maybe something's got to give. Maybe. Something's got to give hits. They both had a lot of the same sort of keys. And mainly Jack Nicholson and Akbottman just both being so funny. Yeah. And that movie, I feel like if you'd put on,

there's a lot of similar laugh lines. So Nicholson could have potentially been a version of the Baldwin. It just would have been a different performance. Yeah. A little less oily. And you kind of, and you, maybe then, route for it to end in a different way. This is the hard part about recasting is like with Baldwin, he's great and steals the movie, but also we all understand how it needs to resolve to be responsible and we're okay with it.

Like if you put, say, Harrison Ford in that role, it's like, no, no, no, they actually do. Or Jack Nicholson. You're like, no, no, no, they need to be together. 75 million dollar budget. It made $219 million. That is right. Man.

Third biggest Nancy Myers movie. Roger Ebert, two and F stars. Yeah. Said Myers created, quote, a cottage industry of movies about romantically inclined middle-aged people. Oh, sorry, Raj. Yeah.

It's a rearrangement of the goods in Nancy Myers' bakery, and some of them belong in the day-old shelf. Raj. Yeah. Lashing out. He wasn't feeling it, you know? A lot.

Okay, so I read a few reviews, not just of this movie, but of a lot of our movies. And they kind of made me angry. Because a lot of them are pretty similar in tone to that. And I'm not saying this is Deer Hunter. And there's obviously issues with it. But so many of them I feel like are, they're treating these movies as being much more cliche than they are.

And they're also not identifying the things that make it great personally. And they're also, I think that if... You can say I heard Amanda's, you can feel that... No, I agree with her. I mean, I... Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's annoying. There is a certain line of film criticism that is not practiced here on the rewatchables,

I'm happy to say, where certain skill sets, like, say the ones used in horror movies, are, like, acknowledged as actual filmmaking accomplishments. But the skill sets that Nancy Myers uses are just silly or puffery instead of. Right. But it is actually, it's really hard to write something this well and also make something look this good as literally every other Netflix rip-off will show you. There's a reason they don't work.

That's the key point. Yeah. So, first of all, a movie like this, you almost have to grow into it. It's like you have to see it like three-foot. You really start to appreciate it on the fourth, fifth time. But then there's been so many bad versions of these. I think it elevates movies like this where you're like,

oh, here's actually a good version of these movies. Yeah. Which I feel that way about some action movies, too, because there's so many bad action movies. That when you see like Even when they did die hard with a vengeance Like the first hour 20 It died with a vengeance

Is so good Yeah You know and then it falls apart But there was one critic I liked it You've both met him I couldn't find his review His name is Wesley Morris

Where was it on the internet I tried to find it Because it was linked on It's my job It's the host of the rewatchful He gets it He wrote The most emotionally sophisticated

Of all Myers's fantasies A Made for Merrill film Yeah. Streep de Poise all her best moves. She's irresistible. It's complicated unleashes an unabashedly, desperately romantic side of Baldwin that we haven't seen before. True. What a king.

He doesn't steal this movie so much as Grant All Streep's fluttering and twirling and hand fanning. Zuberant counterweight. Yes. Our guy. Yeah. Gets it. I knew he would like this movie. Yeah, of course.

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18 plus. Trading derivatives involve significant risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Manage your activity with our consumer protection tools. Most rewatchable scene. Okay. I wouldn't necessarily put these two in as a most rewatchable, but I really like the first two scenes of the movie and how they set everybody up. The anniversary party.

Yeah. You see the slow-mo Lake Bell coming in. Belly first. And you just see how it changes Meryl Streep's demeanor. You know, it's like, oh, okay, I get what's going on here. And then getting to meet all the kids. They just do a good job of introducing all the characters in the plots on like six minutes. That's so fucking hard to do.

Yes. She's a really smart movie. All right. My first one. Jane has dinner with her friends the first time. The first time. The vagina closed up story. But just the four together.

You're so lucky Steve is dead or whatever. Yeah. The roast chicken. Yeah. Poor friends just really enjoyed each other. but that's another thing Myers get at. But Rita Wilson, she's back. Another buddy rom-com.

She's not a spot for her. You know? She seems like I would have wine with her. Is she, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, like the Pansyana of the All-Star team? Rom-com friends. I mean, Rosie O'Donnell's got to be in there.

She's had a couple of things. Hey, you know what Rosie Adonnell's up to on and just like that? The Sex and the City. I cannot believe you're still watching this show. I'm actually two episodes behind, but I did see the one My wife watched the first one.

So I honestly thought she was very good on the show. I wasn't prepared for that plot. And they could use more star turns like Rosie O'Donnell. Yeah, that's, so would you say Rita Wilson and Judy Greer? Judy Greer. She probably has the ball, I think. Yeah. She's been in like six of these.

Yeah. Being the friend. The bar dinner scene. Yeah. When they run into each other at the bar, to the home sweet home. I'd like that you've foregone bikini waxes. You've gone native. About it wasn't so dumb.

And FYI, I like that you stopped getting bikini waxes. You've gone native. I was into it. It's just like an S&L sketch. Everything about it is so good. She's good. They're just like, they just have it. They have like electricity.

They do. He also says the Pilates are paying off. Don't forget that. Every line delivery he has in that. That was my favorite scene is so funny. So funny. Family graduation dinner. nursing.

The, oh, God, it's official. We're having an affair. I think this is very French of us. Yeah. I have that one. Jane tells her friends about the affair. Oh, yeah. I'm having an affair with Agnes Adler's husband.

I am having an affair with Agnes Adler's husband. That is genius. Yeah. A lot of screaming and shrieking. It's a good meme. Like, has it been memed reaction shot? I think I always think of it in my head. of everyone being like all at once.

Steve Martin dinner date with Jake stalking leading to the Jake seduction and the bathtub scene. All really saw. Jake has a heart attack. Sure. Another classic trope. Talking about flomax. Yeah, I like a lot of sperm.

I prefer a lot of semen. I always have. Yeah, that's right. Jane gets everyone stoned is really funny. Yeah. The chocolate croissant scene. The laptop nudity scene. Sure.

Yeah. And then Jake and Jane realized it's not going to happen. Yeah. So what do you have? Probably the croissants are the single most. Well, no, no, no. Or the, I never get prepared for this. I already said the plastic surgenstein, I think, about a lot.

The hotel. I have hotel bar leading into the home sweet home. That stretch is awesome. Okay. But I like the second one when he has the heart attack. And then Krasinski's in the lobby being like, I don't know what's going on. Yeah. And I have always liked a lot of semen.

It's pretty good. And then they have the emotional thing at the end. Maybe I do that one. Maybe I pick the second hotel. Change your mind seven times. What do you have been there? For me, it's the dinner at the bar leading into them having sex because of the lines we talked about because they're so funny. And I guess I should just say this now.

I understand they couldn't be together. The breakup made sense or whatever you want to call it. The resolution of the film made sense. But they just have such better chemistry than her. and Steve Martin. Oh, yeah. And I struggle with it in this movie and how it ends up. And it's all stemming from that scene. Like everything about those two actors, they look like they're having the time of their lives. I mean, this is like sort of the whole movie. All the actors seem like they're having the time of lives. But in that scene and in the bedroom scene, it is just two

actors at the top of their games to me. Yeah. Do you ever, are you ever in the same room with your parents together? Or were you after the divorce or not really? I was telling the story. I was telling the story the other day. The first time I was supposed to be was after, was my college graduation and there was like a department breakfast beforehand, but then I got too drunk and I slept through it. And so then my professors had to introduce my parents. I don't know if I, sorry about that, everyone. So I don't think that they've ever been in the same room. Well, go one or two ways. Like they don't interact at all or they actually do. Because I had the opposite. Yeah. And when my dad and my mom were together, it's like absolutely the most fascinating thing. Yeah. And then as my kids got older,

they became fascinated by it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When my dad was here, my two kids went out to lunch with them and they were just like, you know, they could have made it. Like it was like, you can see it. It's still, there's some sort of chemistry still there. It's really funny. I have a question for you guys. My husband had talked about this after we watched a movie. How often do you guys think divorce couples hook up years later? Oh, interesting. I don't think it's a very common thing. No.

I don't know any. No one are eight. There's not any divorced people, but like in our cohort, I don't know of it happening. Yeah. It's happened with celebrities where people have gotten divorced and then gotten back together. Right. Like Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. But if it happens, they are just like, no, we're getting back together.

It's not like a good. Don Johnson and Dakota. And Melody Griffith. Yeah. If you, if it happens, you find out about it because they're like, well, I guess we're just doing this again. I mean, the worst is J. and Affleck. Or the best.

Yeah. Or the best. But that one, yeah. So, you know, if the spark's there, the sparks there sometimes. Yeah. All right. What's the most 2009 thing about this movie? I have two, but do you have any?

Okay. Normal size, John Krasinski. Oh, that's a good one. And or just John Krasinski in general. Yeah, yeah. So I had John Krizitsky being the seventh lead of a movie. I like this version of him. Yeah, it is very the odd.

It's like charming, you know? Yes, he's, it takes me back to a time. Breaking the fourth. Yeah. The answer is actually being sad about having nobody to watch the hills with. Which is the thing said during the movie. That just traps you in 2009. Ah, this is excited.

The Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate, even though we've already covered it. No, I know. I know. I mean, it is the house, right? Yeah. But then I was trying to think of like secondary things because we all know it's the house. No, I'd say we can skip over. We just had to give it because you're here.

The kids' bungalow is pretty nice. Yeah. They don't have a job, but they have a guest bathroom, you know? How do you feel about the house being in Thousand Oaks in real life? I'm surprised to hear that one. I did as well. I mapped it out, and it's like, it seems like the address is Thousand Oaks, but it's kind down in the wilderness sort of in a way that seems less settled.

So I'm okay with that. It's good to find. Craig, you're surprised by Thousand Oaks being in the location? Yeah, because it also just doesn't look like it's a hundred, 100 degrees, which it would be in thousand hours. Right. Yeah, I was surprised. What's age the best?

There's good tidbits in the early part of this movie showing that she's kind of lonely. Hmm. She's doing a nice job. Like, she's in the elevator and she watches, like, the couple together. Right.

But Nancy Meyer is good at that. It's like, I'm not going to tell you about what this part, but I'm just going to give you like five, six little tiny things. Yeah. I have a literal one, which is Merrill Street, because she looks like beautiful in this movie and like just has literally aged gorgeous. And this is again a hallmark of Nancy.

Everybody looks great in her movies. And it's, there are movies about adults for adults. And she makes, you know, her cinematographer who I don't know who it is if she has the same people that she always works with. But everybody's shot like just so gorgeous. I say this.

As a compliment to the technicians at work, but like you can see that when Meryl gets like, her special light, you know? And they cut from, especially from Baldwin, who's supposed to look a little haggard, back to Merrill. And it's beautiful work. And it is like a Renaissance painting.

And that is everyone doing their job well. This would be, this would have been a good ASPN segment. Got to bring them in. Merrill Street doesn't get enough credit for being beautiful. Dating back to Kramer versus Kramer in Manhattan. But she's certain movies. Like,

I think in Kramer versus Kramer, like, she's just beautiful in that movie. But she's in DeVorres Prada and this, where they just feel like two different people. But you would just, you would immediately notice. Some of it also is like the performance is, we talked about at the beginning how it's kind of she's not really like this in any of other movies. And you kind of. It's happy giggly marils. And this is what I love about Nancy Myers' female characters is so often with rom-coms, it's the uptight trope, right? the uptight woman.

Yeah. Even a movie is great as Sweet Home Alabama. It's a cliche character and there's a million other examples of that. I think that's the first time the sentence,

a movie is great as Sweet Home Alabama has been said on this podcast. I fully support it. And I am really happy to be here. And this is a safe space for that take for a million reasons. But like her whip,

Diane Keene is the same way and something's got a gift. Like she's successful. Maybe she has put her life or, you know, chosen work at the expense of other things. But she's like kind of chill? Yeah.

I think she kind of rolls with the punches. She laughs a lot. She's quick to smile. I always enjoy that about her characters. They don't feel like stereotypes. Yeah. They enjoy life. That's the thread to do with any good rom-com or they go sideways because the trope is always, this person's a mess.

They can't find anybody. Right. They've got to bring a date to the wedding. And oh, my God, they can't find anyone. And it's just their life's just a roller coaster. And this one, it feels like a realistic roller coaster. like, I get it. She threw herself for her career.

Yeah. Got her shit together. And her kids and. Yeah. Whether she'd be attracted to Steve Martin as a whole, in this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Steve Martin version of this movie, I have some doubts, but we can talk about that later. Any movie, but especially any rom-com where there's a smoking hot, bitchy second wife, it's a home run.

It's never not worked. It's true. And it's like most of the female characters are older and it's, And then you have this other one and he just sucks. The scene where she's in the elevator and notices her tiger tattoo for the first time kills me.

Lake Bell's tiger tattoo. I don't speak Pedro is just really funny. Caitlin Fitzgerald. Yeah. Not giving a lot to do in this film. Not a lot to do, but now you get to watch this movie with the library of hers

Roman's girlfriend for like 15 succession episodes where she's so funny in that movie. And I just wish that character had been in this movie because she's basically a blank slate. Blonde child number three. I don't really understand anything about does she work? Yeah.

What's going on with her and John Krasinski? Why does he treat her like a eight-year-old child? Why don't they have adult conversations? How old is she supposed to be? Is she 18? Is she 30? Yeah. What is she?

But I was excited to see her. It's still, I know her primarily from this movie, So every time I saw her on Succession, I was just very weirded out. I was like, what are you doing here? That's not, this doesn't make sense to me. Apparently, Joanna Robinson is a big, she says there's a whole library of work, like Masters of Sex. Like, she's definitely one of those who hasn't been in the right situations.

Hunter Parrish, who is in weeds. I don't know what else he's. That's the youngest one. Yeah, the boy who graduates. I have a couple categories from later. None of these kids have anything to do in this movie. And then Zoe Kazan, when we were? went to college with.

Never interacted with her in college. Marlboro School, LA. That checks out. Yeah. She feels like has done mostly more serious movies. Yeah. Than this. But she doesn't have much to do in this one either.

I don't have, I did all my other what stage the best if you want to move on. The title. Can I throw that one in? What? Do they, they don't say the title verbatim. No. They say like it's gotten complicated, but nobody says like, it's complicated. You don't think it's a good title?

No, this is the only thing I don't like about Nancy Myers movies is some of the titles are really bad. So what do you think the title should be? I guess you can't put divorce in the title because that turns people off. Faking it up? Where she talks maybe something like... Second bake? So bad. Home Sweet Home.

Yeah. Home is a great title. Isn't that actually, what was the name of the movie that her daughter? Rees Witherspoon, yeah. Home again. Is what that one was called. Something's got to give is like an objectively perfect movie with a terrible title. Honestly, Mina, you nailed it. Home Sweet Home is a great title.

That's fucking hilarious. I just remember, you know, maybe. Are you down with that, Home Sweet Home? Yeah, yeah, it's great. Maybe it's complicated is another like, what's the most 2009 thing about this movie. Yeah, like the generic. Well, also the Facebook of it all. Yeah.

Because that's still when we were, you know. It's a good time capsule. You know about this bill? It's complicated. So when around this time, because Facebook had just launched, you could put your relationship status on Facebook. And one of the options was, it's, I always thought that's what it was. So in that sense, I'm like, oh, what a nice snapshot. Maybe that's the best of a time.

What were you to say, Craig? You know what else is age the best is Merrill Street not getting a ton of plastic surgery in real life after this movie? True. Because if she looks like a mess. Yeah, it is a great note. Because she famously is anti-plastic surgery. I don't know if that's true, but she still looks great. That's why she's our queen.

Yeah. Yeah. The Big Cooner Burger Award for Best Use of Food or Drink. It's obviously the Croke Monsieur. I can't speak. What about the croix? I thought he was going to say chocolate croissant. It was like a little part of there.

The whole scene where they go. Can you say it for me? I can't. Croc monsieur. Croc monsieur. It's hard. I mean, I also, I had a problem with a tour or like the R's and the multiple values. You can go chocolate croissant here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But when she's, everyone is so excited about her crook monsieur. Sure. No, it's true. It really made me like, I even asked my wife, but you just got to make these. You do you think when I can't say French words either, Bill, and I just say them really fast and hope nobody notices. I know. I don't really like this.

That's one of the reasons I'm like the French. Remember the chain. A bon pan, ab pee, every day, whenever we have together, I'd be like, do I want to go to a van because I couldn't say it. I also in this movie, when Steve Martin has to say, quasson, he does quasson. He leaves into it. He does like the full thing. I'm actually, no, I'm with you, because. while watching that scene where she makes the croquence source and the lavender ice cream,

I literally, I was like, I want both of these things right now. The lavender ice cream does also stick in my head because then when Alec Baldwin shows up and he's like, oh, you can't sleep, you're making lavender ice cream again. I will also do honorable mention for the chocolate cake, which I just want a piece of, you know? So the lavender ice cream, that's not something I would be like, oh, cool, they have lavender ice cream. Right. What does that taste like?

I mean, I think it's mostly sweet with hints of lavender. I don't know. Olive oil ice cream, similar vibe. No, thanks. Oh, it's olive oil ice cream. What would you have for that one, Craig? What made you the hungriest as you watched this movie? Um, probably the croak monsieur, I would say.

It's basically just cheese bread, right? No, it's got ham. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The lavender ice cream is like some salt and straw bullshit. You don't need that. All right.

Well, you know what? Salt and straw is another place who should probably cut a check in a dish. Solstros, only slagery. Turkey and gravy with a real turkey. Salt straw, like lavender and pears with blue cheese. Yeah, go cheese. Great shot, Gordor, or most cinematic shot. So after the daughter moves out, this is what I have.

Yeah. And everybody leaves, and Jane's in her house alone. Uh-huh. And it's just like a good wide shot where you can see the whole house. Yeah. But she's just like, oh, I'm alone. Yeah. I like that one.

What do you have? The second time that they have sex. he comes over, he convinces her. It smash cuts to the sprinkler. I literally have the sprinkler on the lawn written down as well. It's good. Smash cuts back and it's Alec Baldwin laying back. She's like,

not again. She's like moaning and he's got the shit-eating grin on his face. Just a perfect transition. Kid Cutty pursued happiness and where best needle drop. I can give you Tom Petty don't do me like that. Yeah. Or I can give you the fine young cannibals. Good to hear from them.

I have Tom Petty, don't do me like that. or Benny and the Jets when she's stoned. Hmm. No one, none of the beach boys? Can do those too. I got time. In the moment when they realize, everyone's kind of looking at each other

and like what's going on here. RIP. What do you have for the Chess Rockwell and Brocklanders award for best character name? I like that the little kid was named Pedro. She's supposed to acknowledge. Exactly. I don't speak Pedro.

Agnes with two S's, the second wife. Agnes was good. Oh, is it two S? Yeah. I don't know if that's explained in the movie or if it's just Nancy as writing, but it's a very funny

like a generational contrast to, you know, Jane, Jake, Adam, and then Agnes with two ways. We should have given the Nancy Meyer's backstory of how she had the writing partner that directed the movies she wrote. Yeah. And they got divorced.

Her husband. Yeah. Charles Shire. Yeah. So did he, do you think he married in Agnes? I wonder how much real life shit's in this. I don't know. She wrote Modern Love,

but I think it's after this movie, right? Yes. About they, like, going on a road trip with Charles Shires, who died last year. And they, and like, it wasn't, it's complicated type vibe of remembering what was, like, good about him, but it was different because it was, it was a nice thing. But she didn't get into the specifics of whether he married an Agnes Adler who has a big job in marketing. Amanda, you have a flex category. I do.

What are you doing? So I think that I'm going to go with Lake Plains. Well, there are two categories here, and it's either... Yeah, Lake Bell can't be a category. I know, I know, but she's the answer to two categories. It's either the person in their own movie. Oh, that's a good one. Who do we name that one after?

It's at the very bottom of the... Oh, that's the Judd Nelson. Oh, we never give that one out. Yeah, I think that, like Bell is just in a different movie. She's not bad. Judd Nelson and New Jack City. He's just in his own... He's just in his own thing.

She's just in like a very different, aggressive movie. It's a really good one. Yeah. So that's, she's wearing boy shorts the entire movie. Right. Just little 2009 underwear. Hard.

You know, just what, why is she living in Santa Barbara and dressing like that? And also what is her big job? What does she do in Santa Barbara? So she is in marketing. And the joke is that she markets for like K-Y. But I think it's supposed to be like a radio. which is, yeah. Do we think it's funny that Nancy Myers

basically cast Lake Bell's Wario, Amanda Pete, in this similar movie. Yes. In the same, not kind of the same role. I don't know who's who's wario, actually. I texted you, I was like, who's the poor man's version of him? But they're literally playing the same.

I feel like you discounted Amanda Pete. Yeah. So maybe Lake Bell's her warrior. I think Lake Bell is her warrior with respect. She is a better character. We respect Amanda Pete in this house. only because Amanda's need a win, just generally. She's one of our leading Amanda's.

Also, just when you think, like, she's ready to give up the steering wheel, your friends and neighbors, the college episode happens, and she just takes the mantle back for another couple years. Lake Bell, though, we'll say this. Yeah. And you know Dave Chacoby. Yeah, of course. Her and How to Make it in America was her all-time favorite Dave's Kobe Paraker.

Yeah. And she was really good on that show. Yes. And I actually feel like that's probably her best performance, right? She's been in a bunch of stuff, but I think that was probably my favorite version of her. Butch's girlfriend award weak link of the movie.

I'll let you go first. Well, okay, this is kind of, I was going to do recasting, which is part of this conversation. Yeah, I know where you're going, and I agree completely, so I came up with something else to save it. Is this time to talk about Steve Martin?

Oh, am I? Is that not where you guys thought I was going with us? That's where I thought you were going. I came up with something else, just for variety's sake. I don't think it's his fault. No. I think his character is a little bit underwritten. I think he is going up against a juggernaut in Alec Baldwin,

who is just so charismatic and so funny. But I do question, I was going to do one of my flex one was the recasting. I was going to throw out the idea that if he was played by a more charming charismatic man, there'd be a little bit more energy to the rivalry. Like nerdier charismatic, maybe? No, I think you got to go away from nerdy and steer towards sensitive. So it's, you know, so there's a balance. Who are you giving me?

Sam Shepard. Oh, well, that's not fair. Women love Shepard. Well, come on. The Baldwin can't compete with that. Well, he could compete. You always throw Sam Shepard in these things. That's not fair.

But I think it's good. Father's not fighting Sam Shepard. He's losing. But he's not supposed to, ultimately. You know? But there's a little more of a there. Could you do like a Dennis Quaid? No.

No. I had two ideas. Cruz? No. No, sorry. It's had a lot of girlfriends. We rewatched the first half of Top Gun Maverick again last night at my house. Did you get to the bedroom scene?

No, because we only made it as far as like the first penny encounter in the bar When she's like, don't give me that look, he is not giving a look. Yeah, there's no looks being handed out. Okay, one is a guy who's actually been in a romantic comedy with Merrill. Yeah. And that man is Tommy Lee Jones. Interesting. Going for a little more of a blue collary.

Not as handsome as out baldwin. Maybe he's a contractor instead of an architect. Maybe he's in there fixing stuff for her. A little gruff. I'm not opposed to it. The other one, I alluded to this earlier. But what if, like, as a callback and kind of a meta joke within the movie being about divorce, what if we brought back Dustin Hoffman from Kramer versus Kramer?

Oh, I see. But this time. The callback. Is that too weird? They also famously hated each other. Has he ever had a normal rom-com relationship? Yeah. He's too weird, right?

He's been in some, actually. It is funny that they do, their movie night, they watch The Graduate, speaking of. That's true. But here's the thing. I vote no one. I don't think that you're rooting for him over. You need someone who you can actually root for over Alec Baldwin. Yeah.

Or you'd be okay with. I think I did great work. I think Sam Shepard really bounces. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Here's my weak link of the film. The kids aren't damaged enough.

they're children of divorce. One of those kids needs to be slightly fucked up in some way. It's so funny. These are the happiest divorce kids that have ever been in a movie or a TV show. I'd be happy if my mom had a $10 million house and made amazing food all day and bankrolled my lazy existence. These kids were all teenagers during this divorce. There's no way they're all just doing great. That's true.

One of them's fucked up. One of them is like, uh-oh. No, it's true. It's been in college seven years. It's really funny, and I think it's revealing of our respective divorce experiences where I watched this and I was like, they're way too invested in their parents getting back together, in my opinion. They're all just like sitting there like sad babies. Yeah, they're just sitting there being like, you and daddy need to get back together. And I'm just like, what are your parents have put you through?

Hell for 10 years. Like, no, no, no. That's not the reaction. The reaction would be like, Mom, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, what's going on? That's a cat. Yeah. I read it as they didn't want them to get back to.

get. Maybe this is where our life experiences are. No, they're disappointed. When Zoe Kazan gives this speech at the post-graduation breakfast, it's just like, I just want to say it's nice, just us. Like all of us together. The original five, yeah. No, it seems like they want them to get back together, which is insane. Yeah, but we, this was really hard on us.

The kids make no sense. Right. I mean, this is really undercocts. Bizarre. But I think even when they find out. It's a trio plus Krasinski, who has no job either. He's just hanging out. He's the interpreter.

Did they all sleep in the same bed together without Krasinski? And Krasinski was like, I'll just be on the couch tonight. No, I think that they were just like the next morning. They gathered. They were all like gathering. Under the covers. Yeah. Listen.

Yeah. It's one of the reasons this movie's fun to rewatch. It's not a bad thing. It's not a negative for the movie. It's actually hilarious how weird the kids are in this. And how happy. they all are like that I mean why are they so happy the kids graduating college they're acting like he's fucking landed from Mars like in terms of NASA mission and he's like photoshopped into the

big screen and they're like wow he's graduating from university oh they're screaming no I agree it's nice that they don't make sense but also the movie doesn't care about the kids which I sort of appreciate you know it's like well they'll be fine you know we actually can just talk about divorce through the eyes of the grownups there's no chance they'd be living in Santa Barbara either. Like if you... No chance. No.

And definitely can't afford that bungalow with two bathrooms, even in 2009. Well, I guess they don't have jobs. Yeah. In between things.

And they're either 13 years old or 30. Yeah. I don't know. Very strange. Uh, Wood's age the worst. We mentioned an incredibly

like, well, Baldwin. It's kind of weird. I wrote down, are we sure Steve Martin isn't a loser in this movie? He is a loser. He is a loser.

veering too close toward Luserville. Are we surprised he agreed to do the movie? Because so, you know, she gets another thing that's a great amount, Nancy Biles, she gets these, the movies are about women and she gets A-list men, which is not always an easy thing to do, to sort of subsume themselves to this great actresses. But Alec Baldwin gets this great meaty role. Jack Nicholson had this great meaty role. If I'm Steve Martin, I'm reading this, and I'm like, I don't know, this is really a lot here for me to do. Maybe he wants to Steve Martin

has tried to be serious Steve Martin in movies like once every 10 years or so It's been more than that Yeah He does it a couple times a decade And he like clearly He has a side of him

That's not just being The funniest person in the world That he at least he wants to do it There's more to me here I guess I'm a serious guy too What you know And who doesn't want to be an architect

That's a pretty I mean it's the classic romantic comedy job I just thought somebody. What about Bill Murray? As As Adam? What was Bill Murray in around that time?

Steve Martin's part. So it would be like five years after Amanda's favorite movie Lost in Translation. Right. Lost in translation. Broken Flowers around that time. He's like a quirky, goofy architect. Yeah. But he has a little...

I worry that she's going to have to do too much taking care of him. You know? And that's fair. And that's, you know, you want her to be living her own life. Yeah. I don't love Steve Martin in this movie. Yeah, I don't think any of us do. I do like Steve Martin.

Of course. Yeah. And then I have for what stage is the worst, the youngest son, you mentioned the kid from weeds. I don't know what he's doing in this movie. Talk about being in your own movie. This kid is like a smiling serial killer. He's just grinning mania. He's a sociopath.

Yeah. If he became American Psycho, that would American Psycho 2. Maybe he is. I'd be like, that totally makes sense. He's moving to Wall Street. He's going to just start killing people. I have no idea what he's doing it Why he is so happy all the time

Yeah They kind of remind me of Merrill Streep's real life kids At least the two who are actors Who I know what they look like Oh right Gummer, Mamie or what are her kids names Louisa and Maym Oh the one is in the Gilded Age

Yes the youngest and she was also in the materialists For one scene Really? Yes And then Mamie is older And was on a Shonda Rhymes show With QB1 She was on the good wife, too.

She played like a mean lawyer, I think. From Matt Saracen, what was his real name? Zach Guilford. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were on that show for like half a season. That's all.

That's when I know. Because Mariless, you know, she's like three or four blonde children and I feel like. You would think like the acting gene gets passed down. There's some sort of performance acting thing that I would think it's almost like sports. That's why when people get mad about the NEPO baby stuff, I'm always like. No. It would make sense to me that. Merrill Streep's kids would be good at acting.

At some point, that's got to be something in your DNA. Jack Quaid is, it's a good actor. But, like, sometimes, like, Meg Ryan just takes over his body and it works. But I'm like, oh, yeah, I get it. This was handed down. He's a good actor. But he's, both of his parents were actors. Where are the odds he's going to be a good actor?

Like, probably half decent. He grew up around the game. It's like Kyle Shanahan. Archmanning. Yeah. Immersed in the play calling. Ruffelahanna Rubenick Partridge overacting word. Is it Merrill Street?

I was going to say. Are we 10 laughs too heavy in this? Not that I'm arguing. Wow. That cake is good. She's deliriously happy in this movie. Except for when she's having emotional revelation, in which case. Right.

Just a lot of quivering, but there is a lot of movement. When she announces the affair to her friends, and she does like a twirl, the hairs in front of her face. Yeah, it's true. Do you feel like she overacted? the pot smoking scene. Do you poke smot? Please don't think that I'm weirded out of line or anything, but do you, by any chance, spoke smot?

Do I what? I mean, do you smoke pot? Yeah, like maybe they both did. It's the only time that Steve Martin comes to life in the movie. She was acting like she was on acid. I know, it is true. Also, we believe, like, rich white people in California have gotten this long without smoking a lot.

Is that really believable? is that playing out there. No, it's true. Yeah. It's a funny scene, though. I like it. I enjoy it. It could be,

can it be Merrill, but in a good way? That's, I was a compliment. I love her in this movie. She just dials it up a couple times. I agree. Meaning you have a flex category.

You're prepared for it or you're already doing it. Well, I was doing the recasting. I could do some other ones, though. You don't have to. I feel like. Steve Martin hate. Well, I don't know.

Criticism. I, yeah. All right. You already did yours. Yeah. Well, this is exciting. The CR thinks Luke Wilson. could have been Harrison Ford, hottest take word.

A category I think we've added since the last time you've been on. Mine is fairly low stakes because Steve Martin is the obviously, but it's Steve Martin's not a hot take, it's a cold take. So I have a more like Nancy Myers universe. Oh, I have a lot about Nancy Meyer. Hot take. But it's not, it's, I think someone else should go first. No.

Okay. Mine is that roast chicken might be the most overrated food in the universe. Wow. When it's really good? Even when it's really good. The problem is it's often bad and dry, but when it's good? And listen, like, Nancy Myers believes in this, and that's, you know, Jake's favorite meal. She kind of gets her recipe and her belief from Ina Garten, the bear for Contessa, who I also really respect.

And I'm just like, you know, it's good. And that's fine. And you put vegetables or potatoes or whatever. and then you have like some chicken. It's fine. It's fine. There are many, many really good ways to prepare chicken and many other things you can roast.

There we go. Isn't that like Ina Garten's thing? Yes, I just said that. I know, I know that I am disrespecting like the women who came before me, you know? I get it. But like it's fine. I like it the most when it's when the juices are crazy

or when there's like a faccaccia bread situation with it? Totally. When like they roast a chicken but it's on top of a bread thing. Yeah. Absolutely. Like with the croutons and it's absorbed. So you're saying like if I'm just serving you a roasted chicken, you're not that impressed. Just listen, if I in a garden herself is making it for me.

Yeah. Then I, it's one of the best things in the world. That's never happened. I'm very open to that opportunity. Also, if you go to a really fancy restaurant and they're like, this is our specialty, it is pretty good. But like me at home, the average person at home, you know, it's, we can move on. I like it.

It's a good hottest take because it made me bad. Thank you. I've a lot. Okay. Here's one. I think Nancy Myers movies in general, but this movie being an example, are proofs that old people should be in more stuff. Yeah. Like we need more movies of all genres, action, spy, romance, comedy, where the leads are.

are all over 50 years old. I agree with this. The characters are more believable as having lived interesting lives. The actors tend to be better. Maybe this is me aging. But I felt this way when I saw this movie in 2009, I was just out of college. Yeah.

And I loved it. So I feel like her uvra is a strong case study for making more movies like this. I don't even know if that's a hot take. That was a good one. Yeah. Why don't we have that? Great take. I'm going full hot.

Yeah, go. Santa Barbara. Oh, boy. Here we go. The biggest disparity between movies in real life of any location. Oh, what? Speak on it. Go.

Like, good or bad? The sun doesn't come out to like 2.30 in Santa Barbara. It's just a fact. I will fact check. It's a fucking fact. This Sunday morning because I went to Santa Barbara. No way. I don't believe it.

It came out of 10. And I know because I took. That's a miracle. And it was. It was cloudy and very, and I was worried about my son, like, getting frostbite from the ocean when we went to the beach at 9 a.m. And by 10, the sun was out. Santa Barbara was in a lot of movies. It's always a great location.

Yeah. It's perfect. It's beautiful. And then when you actually go, it's like just cloudy until 1.30. And it's never addressed by any character. It would be like if you do Seattle movies and it's like, whoa, another nice day here in Seattle. It's like, come on. It is.

Pull this leg and plays jingle bill. You're making a good point. I do think you're underrating other aspects of Santa Barbara. I'm pro-Santa Barbara. I'm just pointing out the sun doesn't come out until 1.30 to 2 in the afternoon. And everybody there knows it and they don't want to admit it because they all talk about a great-at-us. It's such a strange place for people to live. To me.

It is. I mean, I know there's many people who live there and clearly love it. But like, I can't imagine spending more than three days. It's like the perfect place to spend two days. Yeah. I think Santa Barbara thoughts? I think Santa Barbara is heaven on earth. I'm kind of with Craig.

And I would retire there in a second. So you like when there's no sun until 1.30? First of all, that hasn't been my experience in my time in Santa Barbara. Anywhere in the California coast, you're going to get the fog. An incredible city if you have a ton of money. Yeah, sure. Well, that's the thing. Yeah.

I mean, you would have to have. You like horses. Yeah, I don't think you have to have a horse. The, you know, like. How many friends do you have who couldn't live there because the wine thing would get out of control? Oh, it's that. I have at least 12.

Okay, that's nice. Okay. And all my wife's side of the friend group. I would like to be friends with all of those women. I have a couple of my wife's friends would be dead if they live there. Like, dead for real. How do we feel about Santa Barbara versus Ohio? I really like Ohio.

Yeah, we were just talking about that. The cool thing about this is. Location thing. San Barbara's got a lot of options around Santa Barbara. Yeah. Because you can go to all these different, that's the coolest part about it, all these different things.

But I just think if you're going there and pretend you're going to get an awesome tan, you might be disappointed. Yeah, but maybe you just want to be by the water. Yeah. It's so, like the mountain. Bring a jacket. Well, sure.

Okay, second question. Oh, Ohio is also 20 degrees hotter than. Ohio is hot. The whitest conversation ever held on rewatchables. We're just giving people a taste of California. I mean, we have given a lot. We did 10 minutes on cereal. Yeah, we did 10 minutes on cereal.

How do you feel about Sanibaba Rojoi is probably the wise thing I've ever said out loud? Yeah. Which is, you know, I mean, we're doing a Nancy Meyer. If there's, you know, is a criticism of Nancy Myers movies. That is the world. We are very on topic. Well, that was a perfect segment. We're going to have to take a break.

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Casting what ifs. Are there any? They said Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, Michael Douglas, and Tom Hanks were all considered for the role of Jake.

I don't know if I believe that. That's why it's, some of this stuff's half-assed. There's a Michael Douglas, maybe. You could see it, but you even... Michael Douglas is the architect.

I was just about to say, you were you saying that? I was like, what about is the rival? No. Then you'd just expect it to really be getting it on at some point. Exactly.

Like, there's no weakness with Michael Douglas. But he's pretty old at this point. 2009? No, he's okay. So Craig sent the question of who's the hottest old guy ever in a romantic comedy when we were talking about this movie. Right. My mind went to Michael Douglas an American president.

Yeah. Huge, huge. All time. Early Minutian Times dream crush right there. It's also the first time that I saw Michael Douglas in a movie just because of how old I am. So then I went backwards and saw that. That's 95. But, like, I didn't see.

basic instinct or fatal attraction until after that. So I was, yeah, well, I know, but I was a little taken aback, you know? I was a little disappointed in Michael Douglas. Yeah. Yeah. Hotest old guy. I mean, it's got to be the oldest Harrison Ford was ever in a rom-com. Yeah, I was going to say, if he didn't say Harrison Ford, Mallor is going to come charges through the law.

When he rebooted Sabrina, he was pretty old. Yeah. I mean, he's older and working girl. Morning Glory, he is like the old fuddy dutty, but then he makes a frittata, you know. So, God, love him so much. We pour one out to James Gandalfini and enough said. Oh, that is, that's a very important one. It's really good.

It's a good movie. It's good movie. It's good movie. Yeah. Is two parts shy of movies like this in the 2000, in the 21st century? He's the Steve Martin recast, right? He should have been, yeah, but he should have just done two of this. Just to get over yourself, Tom Hanks.

I know, but I think he wanted to. Just be like part number three in a rom-com. Like, why not? Because I think he, like, he did all the Nora Ephrons in the 90s. I know, I get it. He wanted to break out, I guess. That's fine. Best that guy.

So the anniversary guy in the very beginning of the movie, was with Nora Dunn, the toasting. Well, Nora Dunn was that guy for me. She's Nora Dunn, though. Yeah, but still, I was like, what's Nora Dun doing here? Her husband in the movie is the guy from To Jillian on her 37th birthday. Oh, is it really? With my queen, Michelle Pfeiffer.

She's their friend. I'm probably the only person knows. I don't know what that guy's name is. That's why I'm, yeah, my answer was Nora Dead. But same scenes. When we do the Michelle Pfeiffer Mountain of just the movies where she reaches queen status, I think that's fabulous Baker Boys is here. And then we get there. Where's What Lies Beneath?

She's just a dead ghost. Do you know what happens in that movie? You know what happens in that movie? I was traumatized by movie. I saw it in the theaters. It was the first story. What Lys Beneath? No, to Jillian or 37th.

Oh, part of me. I don't think I've seen that. She's married to Peter Gallagher and she dies. Yeah. And he goes to Nantucket the next year with the whole crew, but he still was still in love with Michelle Pfeiffer, that he just wanders on the beach and talks to her ghost. Because I would do the same thing if I'd been married to her.

That's not the answer to the best that guy, though. From Succession, the guy who played Ravenhead, Nazi guy. Hitler-loving anchor is the New York City Hotel clerk in the beginning. checking them in. Wow. Ravenhead. Another secession callback.

There you go. There you go. I guess the Nancy Meyer's succession plot line is not the most surprising thing. He had the same name as Hitler's dog for his dog but it was different spelling.

Okay. On succession. And succession. If you remember that tidbit. Dionne Waiter's a word. Lake Bell eligible. Not in that movie. She's in four scenes.

Yeah. Pedro, the little kid. He's doing a lot of important work. Pedro's really good. When he's like, why did you take your cell phone? Pedro might be the answer. Yeah, it is a funny moment.

And then when Alec Baldwin later says, you know, I've got a five-year-old at home. And also Pedro, it's a great laugh line. Yeah. Yeah. Recasting couch director of city. And it's a good air of Chris Pratt. Yeah. Yeah.

When Chris Pratt was a little chubby, had a sense of humor, was popping in different rom-coms, brought something to the table. He's in five-year engagement. He's in 10 years. have to play, like, and then he just plays, like, no, he has no problems. He's just funny, he's getting a couple jokes off. One of these three kids, he's being jokes off. I don't think anyone's bringing anything to the table in these roles. Yeah.

These things. That's why I'm bringing to Chris Pratt. Who do you have? Well, Chris Pratt plus John Krasinski is like a little bit too much NBC late 2000s comedy night. Fair. Plus Alex Baldwin and 30 Rock, you know, it's, that might overload it. Juliet, um, chimed in. because I had to clear with her that we were doing this.

Yeah, yeah, of course. She's in materian leave. Just want to make sure she doesn't threaten it anyway. Love Nancy Myers. She said, just make sure you kill Krasinski during the podcast. Yeah, I knew that she would say that. That was her. Did she think he's bad in this movie?

I don't think, I think that she has had her fill. Yeah. Of John Krasinski. I think she's had enough. This, to me, hargens back to a time when I liked him more, and it felt like he was less. I miss this version in John. Like, I was watching this and being like, oh, yeah, I found him so charming back then. Adam Brody in that part, maybe?

Definitely. Definitely. Yeah, absolutely. Same vibe. Craig, you have a flex category. I wanted to go back to Amanda brought it up earlier, but I wanted to hash out what the hottest job of a male love interest in a rom-com could be. Oh. Because I think Steve Martin as architect is certainly up there.

Architect is a traditional. We have perhaps. like a male pediatrician. There's the journalist is always in these movies, perhaps a chef. How about Delmet Mulroney and my best friend's wedding, sports writer, but son of the owner of the Chicago Cubs, but also a sports writer trying to forge his own web.

But he won't take a job. Won't take a job with your team because he loves writing. Grounded rich guy. Yeah, grounded rich guy. Yeah. But still probably going to take a lot of team. Tom Hanks is a grounded rich guy and you've got male. Same kind of vibe.

Grounded bookstore guy. I mean, he's the empire. small bookstores all over New York. Right, right, right. But now Barnes & Noble is basically a big rep, so it's okay again to like it. So you would say, architect is probably on the Mount Rushmore. Yeah, for sure. Architects a good one.

Why? What is it about architects? Because it's a job that everybody wants when they're like 12. It's creative. It's creative, but still practical. Yes. You working with your hands a little bit? Yeah.

Yes. What about like Don Draper, like, running your own ad agency where you get to do pitches to clients. And a rom- bright's coming in. I do think, I think Don Draper has sort of ruined that

because that's, Don Draper himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, you know what comes with it, which is womanizing and zuby, Zuby-Zoo. Defense attorney?

I don't know if it's a lawyer. Lawyers or businessmen. What about stay-at-home dad whose wife has passed away? It's got to have a job. Sure. It's very hard to be the male lead of a romantic comedy if you're unemployed.

Chef? Right. Chef? Chef? I'm trying to think So Thinking of some of the classics Yeah

Chang Right right Right Grace is great Burnt That's not really a romantic comedy The movie chef is You know

Oh sure What about a vet What's his job In Sleepless in Seattle? I think he's an architect That's right I think so How about

Well this isn't totally Romcom But Campbell Scott And singles What's he like a building planer. There's like a city planner. It's planning like

like a urban job. Urban planner. Sure. What is Bill Plym? The sports agent and sports is out? Sports doctor, Bill Hader and train wreck. Sports doctor.

That's a good one. It's like a good one. It's like a good one. Yeah. And it's also just from like a physical therapist. I mean, you will have to be on call but not all of the time.

Plastic surgeon? No. Too vain. Then you get too close to. Yeah. The face of everything romantic comedy stand for. I think Nancy knew that it's architect, which is why she gave it to Steve Martin's character

because he needed as much help as he could get. How about oil billionaire? No? Half-ass internet research. In the scene where Jane answers a phone call from her daughter, and Jake kisses her, Jake wasn't supposed to kiss her. And she screwed up and said the wrong line,

and they kept it in the movie because they thought it was funny. I always like that. Baldwin said they used a body double for his nude scene. Yeah, no joke. And then a lot of this movie was filmed in New York. It's kind of depressing. Yeah, what is that about? A lot of soundstage interior stuff.

And then they used a wide shot of 1,000 oaks. Probably because 1,000 oaks is 100 degrees. And they did some monocito in Santa Barbara. And that's it. Apex Mountain. Okay. It's no for Merrill Street. I don't know what her apex mountain was

and she probably just is on top of the mountain just with chilling. I don't know if she even had an apex mountain. I'm kind of with you on devil wears Prada. Yeah. It's like the two versions of her, right? Like early Meryl Street is like mid-80s and then second career.

That's like the Tom Brady 20 to three game. You could argue she does devil where's Prada and then does Mama Mia, which makes like almost a billion dollars. Leading to this and then to Iron Lady. She just, I was kind of saying this when you talked about Brady, but she didn't have a dead period. There's, like, no skips on her.

Like, every decade she has classic. She still make, like, don't look up, which is a flawed movie. She's so funny in it in a small role. I mean, she's just big, RIP, big little lies. She was so good at it. She was so funny. And otherwise, I don't know what happened, but, you know, I literally actually don't remember how it ended.

The only thing I remember. from the season that you and I recapped is Meryl Streep screaming. Yes. At the table. I miss that show. Are they going to, did they make a third season or have they just talked about it? They're making it just as different shows

that are on like Kulu. And then nobody's figured out of it. It's like, what if Nancy Myers went super dark? Yes. Listen, I would watch all of it, but I still don't actually remember how it ended. All blank. Realtor for best rom-com job?

It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not. It's no architect. Like, what about like corporate real estate? Yeah, like real estate investor. How about that? Building office buildings? Yeah. I got a humdinger here, ready?

Marine biologist. Yeah, but then. So, Sandra Bullock. Because you're like animal lover. That's just what kids want to be when you're just seeing about what kids want to be when they grew up. Maybe. Yeah. But that's what these characters are.

Two weeks notice. Sorry, Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant, I think pretty underrated, even though Donald Trump is in it. They call her. like boyfriend that she never sees and it's not a real relationship is a marine biologist I think for like in two weeks notice. C-piece or something and so he's never around.

So that's the thing about marine biologists they're unavailable. Female female job in a rom-com sports writer. There's been a few over the years. Oh yeah. It's happened a few times which I feel like... Are any of them good? No. At sports writing? Oh, I always see the movies. I don't think there's any good ones

with female sports writers. Is Zoe Deutsch in set it up. She wants to be a sports writer. Right. Yeah. Remember that's the one with... One of the rare, good rom-coms.

Fake ringer. Yeah. I remember that one. That movie, it's one of the best Roncoms. It was fake Granite. Was it? Was it fake ringer?

It was during ringer time, but, you know, probably with turnaround, it's fake Ratlin. They didn't have podcasts. What would be the best ESPN job for a rom-com? For the man or the woman. It could be either.

They could it be PTI co-ho? host rom-com, can't find love in Washington. Sideline reporter? Sideline reporter is the answer. Good job. Yeah. Because you set up so many good.

For either sex, that's the perfect one. You set up so many, like, funny moments with player. This is why Trainwreck, I think, made him sports doctor for the set-up, the set-pieces that came out of that. And also to get LeBron James in the movie. I thought LeBron was good in it. LeBron was good in that movie. He is very funny.

Yeah. I support LeBron's performance. One of the better athlete acting. Alex Baldwin, Apex Mountain. It might be. with this and 30 Rock at the same time and SNL. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Steve Martin, no.

Steve Martin's Apex was the late 70s when he had the jerk and the number one comedy album and was selling out arenas everywhere and was the best SNL host. Yeah. His and her sinks, Apex Mountain? Oh, well, does she get rid of a big year? About his and her sinks in a movie ever?

I'm literally thinking through the other Nancy Myers movies. I thought she made a good case about Yeah, and it makes me feel bad. Just makes you feel bad. Yeah. But then Steve Martin says, well, maybe you might want the heads. I got to tell you, though, we finally got his and her sinks. Yeah.

They're a must. Just not waiting to brush your teeth is absolutely, it's the little things, you know, the change your life. Are you guilty of the same creep as I am where my stuff is just slowly migrated over and taken over the entire vanity? The double sink situation. We actually have separate, like, there's a, there's a big, like separate basins. And the counter doesn't go. No, it's, but then I do use Zax sometimes for like other stuff because mine is like full of everything. And so then I got to go over and use his counter space.

Nancy Myers. I think it's the holiday. Well, the holiday is. Didn't the holiday make like a shitload of money? Yeah. Did it? It's got to be the holiday. I thought it did.

I think that I think that's. It's something's got to give. Yeah. I think because I, let's do Nancy Myers box office really quickly. Because if I recall, the holiday did like... Nancy. I might be wrong. They all make about $200 million.

Well, I think that's true, but I think the holiday was a little bit lower in domestically. And then... All right. So we'll go something's got to give. Also gets more nominations, right? And acting... I mean, Something's Got to Give is a better movie. I love this movie. I'm thrilled to rewatch it.

But I actually rewatch something's got to give this weekend. as well. I'm a completest. And that was actually kind of a mistake because when you watch them back to back, something's got to give is slightly better. Yeah. I think I agree with that.

I mean, it is. Performances. But I enjoy this movie more because it's funnier and there's more stuff to make fun of. I'm with you 100%. We don't get three zombie unemployed kids and something's got to give. Divorce couple movies? Not the apex, but. Where the couple is still, it centers.

around the couple being divorced but still being together. Yeah. I mean, sorry to be Sean for a second, but then there is like a whole... Well, you go to the 50-60s. Yeah, the comedy of remarriage. Like, his girl Friday, they're divorced, you know, and then they wind up together. The greatest thing you did there was to be sorry to be Sean there for a second, which somehow found insulting, which I love. I was like, I know she's going to say something pretentious.

Yeah. And I don't know what direction... I thought you were going to go like some French movie or like a separation. the Iranian movie about divorce, which is amazing. Yeah, no, just like basically in the 40s and 50s. His Girl Friday, I think Nancy Myers has said is like one of her greatest influences as a film. Yeah. It shows up all over.

I'm all of the screwball comedies. Philadelphia story. Yeah. Krasinski, no. No, but close. It's not the quiet place? I mean, they did that movie. That's a great point.

I forgot about that. Yeah. And marrying Emily Blunt. I do like this version of Krasinski I'm good with. Yeah. I didn't like when whatever. this new version. Chris Pratt ruined him

because he saw what Chris Pratt did. Yeah. And then it was like, I could do that. And who's the other guy? Camille? Najiani? Yeah. When he did the superhero movie

and then all of a sudden he got buffed. Yeah. Anyone who's like, look how buff I am now? He's just like put a fucking clock on that when that's going to go badly. Nancy Myers' houses. Probably the holiday that one house in the holiday. The Cotswolds?

Yeah. The British House. Yeah, that's pretty great. Yeah. This is the best kitchen. I agree with that. Whoa, whoa, whoa, something's got to give kitchen. Guys, come on.

This kitchen's great. But this, something's got to give, it's got the island. And then it also has like the wraparound counter so you can use the island for cooking. Plus people can be sitting at the counter. There's more storage space. I don't want to get into it, but there are cabinets, you know. I think it's just, it's roomier. It's a little more conventional.

Yeah. It is, it is, this is lived in. But like, Like, she does have, like an IKEA storage thing on the, okay, well, now we just have Unlock Your Dream Bathroom ads. Oh, man. Look at the Internet these days. This is the something's got to get kitchen we are looking at. Yeah, come on.

That's a giant island. I know. Do you know, in real life, Nancy does two kitchen islands. Really? No, I didn't. She has one for cooking and one for stuff. Nancy does love the islands. So, so do I.

You guys, I'm sure, have read or heard her speak about being like having mixed feelings about the fact that people are so obsessed to. with the interiors in her movies? Really? I would think she... Yeah, she doesn't like it at all. Because I think she finds it reductive. And I think to the review that Mina,

or the reviews that Mina was talking about, like, it is often discussed as, you know, fluff. It's for chicks. It's for... Right. And it's for... And it's not with respect for actually... Nancy, if you're listening, please don't feel that way.

Yeah, Nancy, this is hard work. It's production design. It's like, it is actual... It's character development. I, it's, she has a gift. I feel, again, to go back to like the genre analogy of a genre film, it is like a beautifully choreographed fight.

Like, it's taking an element of a genre film and cranking up to 11 and doing it in a better level than anyone else. Nancy shouldn't feel that way. It's like my mispronunciations and factual errors that the audience enjoys. Yeah. I embrace it. Okay. There you go. I'm super happy that

they can share that with me. Croke monsieur. One more time. Crook. Is it miscar? Is it missier? whatever. I think it's Mousier. I'm not French.

I think it's like Mousier, but it's like even though it's spelled M-O-N. Yeah. This is my first date with my husband, I confidently ordered broccoli rabe.

Oh yeah. And have gotten shit about that for ever. Forever I thought it was Tome Impala instead of Tame Impala. I don't know. I don't know. I just,

I didn't hear it said outside for a long time. And then I just, That's what I thought. Anyway, we're all here. The mispronunciation things are so funny. We were in a wedding in Pittsburgh and one of my college roommates, Blue Boy, we drove by Duquesne University and he said, hey, it's Duquesne.

We still, 30 years later, it still comes up. Like, can't get enough of it. Lake Bell, Caitlin Fitzgerald, no, Zoe Kizan, no. And we'll go to Cruz or Hanks. I think this is a Hanks movie. Yeah, a thousand percent. I didn't cruise in this movie. I don't know.

Any part is a disaster. Runs away with it. Totally. It would have been a good one. But then there, yeah, but like maybe there's less tension. Scorsese or Spielberg, Spielberg? Oh, I think Scorsesey. Give me a gritty version.

Give me like... Gritty Santa Barbara? Well, maybe it's not Santa Barbara. Scramer is the gritty version of this movie. But she like doesn't know what to do and she's spiraling out and like the one joint because... Hot turns into cocaine. Yeah.

And it's just like, what do I do? I like fucked up my whole life and now I'm, you know, sleeping with my ex-husband. Yeah. Then the kids are actually screwed up. Does the head bob back? Yeah, there we go. She's already kind of doing the head bob just for different reasons. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

The Steve Martin part would have been interesting. Plastic Surgeon. Oh. He would be so funny at that. He could have also young Philip Seymour Hoffman as the youngest kid. Sure. She says we keep recasting that guy. Picking Nets, why do they break up in the first place?

I don't know. It seems like that a lot of chemistry. I guess he just got a little Randy. He cheated. And then why did he marry Agnes? It's very confusing. And it seems like she and then she cheated on them with somebody else. Yeah, that day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a little. I think that they throw that in to not, to make us not feel sorry for her. Not that we should anyways because she is already the other woman. But I think that little bit of biographical data is so that we as an audience have total permission to be like, screw that woman. Yeah. She was implicit in one effect. She had another affair.

It's not even his kid. Like, if it was his kid, I actually think we would have felt maybe a little bit differently about him skipping out on them. There's a lot of moves to make us not like her over two hours in this movie.

Krasinski's picking it. Krasinski's definitely telling his wife immediately. I just saw your dad and your mom going up into a hotel elevator and they're about to fuck. And you should know this right now. Nobody's hiding that information. You don't hide.

shit from your spouses like that. Especially that because it's not... It's not actually like bad. Well, I like, I wouldn't... I wouldn't be able to wait to tell my wife that this is happening. Let me be clear. I was like, you're not going to believe what I just saw. That I don't have any information like this in my real life.

But I am thinking a little bit about... I don't know. No, not Patrick Swayze. Swayze. He just got it to the mix. It's like what he's leaning in. Swayzy agreed. There are some things where to...

protect the other person. It's like, do you need to know this thing that's going to just like freak you out for no reason? I guess if there's something wrong with her, which there might be the way they're presenting. We're drawing a line here. Yeah. Which is there's two types of people. And Bill and I both love being the purveyors of gossip. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Texting relationship is built on this foundation. I love nothing more than going to the group chat with like a. I mean, sure. I love also having gossip. And, sure. sharing the gossip. But like, she would probably have a meltdown, as she eventually does. So,

does she? Like, she put pajamas on outside for one minute. Yeah. I don't, I guess I would tell the person, but I don't know if I would run. It wouldn't feel like I found out this amazing story about, like, someone else's marriage or someone else is something. You know what I mean? It would feel a little bit more, like, I got to tell you this thing that's going on. It says father-in-law and his mother-in-law sneaking up this elevator to go, fuck each other. Like, he's definitely telling his way that. Yeah, he is. But I don't think he's going to be like, can you like, you know, it's, it's not like the reveal at

I would be texting as I'm walking away from them to 20 people. I don't think that I would be Merrill being like, I'm having an affair with Agnes Adler's husband, you know? Yeah. I would tell my partner, I would tell it as a blind item to people I know who have never met them. You would not what just happen to me and post a Reddit

thread. Any other picket's? We did a lot already. I have one. Do we think the laptop scene was believable. Like the like the let the whatever they're in 2009 are they like I chatting or video chatting. Oh yeah it was they were very

quick to to like Skyping or whatever that you were doing. The computer's open there. He sees it. He's looking straight at it and he's I didn't understand what he's trying to do in that scene I guess he's like like he's at the computers. He's seducing her

yeah but it's like a fig leaf but instead of a fig leaf it's a computer scene. In 2009, surely you would look at the computer screen before putting your junk out of it. I agree with all of that. I have my nitpick is like a two seconds later in that very scene, which is just like the butt double that you mentioned, like as smooth as a baby's bottom. And that's just not very convincing given the amount of body hair that we're seeing on the rest of Alec Baldwin.

Yeah. It's just is a very obvious butt double. I have one more also. Yeah. Chocolate croissants are usually square. Thank you. They are, and they roll them up. Yeah, they're like Pillsbury dough things.

But when you, I, you know, I bought one yesterday and it was, it was square. It was delicious. They're really great. They're so good. There's never enough chocolate for me. I'm always like eating around it trying to find you and my son. That was the secret of her in the movie, Rennell Streep's chocolate. Jane's Christ.

I think there's a lot of chocolate in the croissant. Also, it tastes like days to make a croissant. Does it? You got to let the dough sit? You don't just. Just crank the croissant out. Well, then maybe that dough was already there. Do you see them mixing the door?

She's running the dough through the thing to thin it out. Well, yeah, but maybe that dough was made and set, and then she's thinning it out before. They are handling the dough a lot for what I, I'm not an expert. For like a midnight croissant. One, it's perfect. You're not supposed to get that handsy with dough, as I understand it. It toughens it up. Anyway.

My thing is, for the amount of time it takes to make a cookie versus the amount of time it makes to it takes to make a croissant. Yeah. The disparity of quality is not worth the extra time. I'd rather just have the cookie. You just have a really good chocolate chip cookie versus like, I'm going to spend three more days making you this chaka croissant. It's a very patient thing for them to do as too high people.

Totally. I have been almost shunned from my family for having a box of baked goods, taking a chak croissant, and just taking out the chocolate part and eating it because I don't want to eat the rest of it. You know, it's like a strip in the middle of chocolate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. rip off the other sides of it. I'll do that with the bottom of the croissant because that's where the chocolate and the butter meet the pan.

And so the dough is extra chocolate buttery. She's making me hungry. I know. Sequel prequel prestige to the all black cast are untouchable. I'd actually be in for the all black cast for this one. I think they could run that back. I got kind of excited thinking about it. Maybe that's what Netflix could do.

I would also watch a prequel that is why they got divorced. I mean, and it would be gnarly. It wouldn't feel as good. That's Kramer versus Kramer. It is sort of Kramer versus Kramer. But, you know, whatever's, and the whole Santa Barbara scene, the affair, whatever's going on with Lake Bell, I'd watch it.

Her movie's never really put you in the pain. Yeah. And I think that's part of why they're so enjoyable to rewatch, is like, I'm never going to feel that bad. The worst I'm going to feel is when, at the very end, like, oh, Alip Baldwin's not going to get back to her to. Yeah, yeah. That's it.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins' Danny Trailer Dorisberg, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel, Plainbue, long legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm. Since Minnesota,

we got to do football. I think Tony Romo doing the laptop. No, Tony Romo announcing the laptop scene. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's funny. He's getting his bed chip. He's going for it.

I was also thinking football, but what about Chris Collinsworth just at the bakery, ordering? Oh, my. He's in a little quarter vest. Oh, my. You can see it, right?

Look at these chocolate with his socks, Mike. They look so good. Here's a guy. Oh, man. He has a little bit of a romantic comedy energy to him. Chris? Yeah, a little bit. You can see him in the mix here.

Oh, my. This baghery smells so good, Mike. Football's coming back, Craig. Collinsworth is a sneaky Liz Kelly crush. Really? Wow. Wow. We're less than, what are we, eight weeks away now?

As we taped this on Monday, July 7th? I'm doing division previews this week. Holy mackerel. Just one Oscar, who gets it? Interesting question. Alex Ball. He could go Bobblin. You do.

All right. It's a classic supporting actor, fun one. I'm for it. Do you want to quickly go through the 2010 Oscars? Yeah, of course. Who we go 2000? I'm always so confused with the Oscars. It's like the Super Bowl.

There we go. Yeah, like what do we call it? The 2019 season. Yeah. All right, sporting actor. Wow. Christoph Waltz and bastards. Yeah.

I mean, he should win. Stanley Tucci, lovely bones. Yeah, we could replace it. Christopher Plummer in the last station. Woody Harrelson and the messenger of Matt Damon and Invictus. Yeah. What the hell is going on there? Victus?

Jesus. Baldwin could have snuck in there. Absolutely. Yeah. Glad we did that. Probably an answerable question. Does Jack have a job? What's his job? Does he have an office? Where's he going?

Is that time to just drive, hang out His wife's driveway? Jake? Jake. He's a lawyer, right? He made partner. Did I say Jack? Yeah, you said Jack.

The gas is really starting to get the gasoline in my sleeve. Jake. He does have a lot of time. Yeah. I mean, what kind of lawyer and what kind of business is the Santa Barbara firm seeing? Like what? All the people who have money in Santa Barbara, what's it from? Like oil airspace?

It's probably a lot of like real estate. disputes and like trying to sue companies that are trying to build. I have a friend who grew up there with money and his dad is a lawyer. No, his mom is a lawyer and his dad is a doctor. Oh, okay. And I think that's it. I think it's like doctors and lawyers. Oh, wow.

And retired. Okay. Is this the Merrill Streep laugh record for a movie? I think it has to be. It's like over 120 Merrill Street laughs. Yeah, probably. Nervous laughs, funny laughs. Like one to a minute.

Uncomfortable laugh. One point one two laughs per minute. Yeah. in this. I have one more if you guys have any either of you have one. I have a really good one.

What is it? I mean, I do. It is probably in answerable questions. I would like to know what's in the noodle thing that they talk about and fight over at the end. I thought it might,

they show a pasta salad earlier and I was thinking maybe the green one like the pesto. Yeah, the cherry tomatoes looking in it. All right. Well, it was, yeah. All right, here's my unanswerable question.

Should it be okay to have an affair with your ex-wife? Like, so you're remarried or ex- I have, so should the first wife have Territorial dibs fraternity, regardless of what happens with future marriages? I, okay, so you guys are, you're in the, this is your lives. This is the kind of content we need, Craig.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My take is, this kind of connects me we were talking about Lake Bell's character. If the second wife is who you left her for, green light. So, oh, interesting. Okay, good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She knew what she was buying into.

Yes. If, however, you get divorced, you met someone else, not cool. So it has to be some sort of connection to the first marriage. I think that's a good. Is that fair? Yeah. Yes. I think I agree with that.

I'm okay with it. No one watching this movie feels an ounce of sympathy for Lake Bill's character at any point. And the movie takes great pains to. If he had, they gotten divorced and he had just married some, like, school teacher who's like a kindergarten teacher. Right. And then you, you start feeling bad. Okay. Let me refer.

Okay. The age factor. What if he was with a woman his age? I still think you made the key distinction, which is if the spouse, if the spouse, you know, the new spouse. Yeah. Then the, like, the other person, the third person is fair game. Maybe it doesn't have dives, but it's not bad. You're not a bad person.

I'm really glad to be talked to this out. What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie? It can't be any of the food because food you can't keep. Or the house. Or the house. Garden hat? Merrill's garden hat? I thought it looked pretty good.

I told you. I'm in the market for a wider-brimmed hat. Are you gardening? We're trying. We're doing some. You have that great little terrace. Yeah, no. I mean, listen, we already had to get rid of one plant.

But listen, they teach the children to garden at like at preschool now. So my son has a little basil plant that he wants to. So we're trying to keep one thing alive for Knox. I didn't have an answer for this one. I wouldn't want any memorabilia from this movie. All right. Couldn't come up with one thing. Cars aren't eligible either, right?

No. I thought like the fake joints they use for this could be fun. Yeah. But I don't know where you would like, who would I show that to? Right. Like, hey, come into my study. The fake joint from it's complicated. I don't know.

Do you garden? Maybe the sign of the, was there a sign of the bakery she owned? I don't think they show the outside of it ever, only the inside. I don't garden. Okay. But I, you know, I bake, but no garden.

Yeah. The Coach Finstock Award, Best Life Lesson. I think it's okay to hook up with your ex-husband if she, if he's with the person that that he had the affair with. I think we've just figured that out.

I think that's now a life lesson. Okay, that's good. Let's afford it. Best double-feature choice, Mina. What do you have? And is this movie first or second in the double feature? It's something's got to give. I would not watch this or something's got to give, actually.

You wouldn't. That is my recommendation. After literally doing that this weekend, do not do it. They're too similar, and this movie does not benefit from the comparison. Okay. I think it's Kramer v. Kramer and this movie

would actually be a very funny double feature. That's a good one. I like that. The Meryl divorce classics. I have a. slightly lighter weight one, which is Julia versus Julia and Julia.

Yeah. The same year, also Merrill Streep, you get one lesser but still enjoyable Nora Ephron, one like mid-tier but great Nancy Myers. Okay. Same era. Compare and contrast.

I'm doing a reconcilable differences. Oh, that's a good one. Which is not available anywhere. Yeah, which is impossible to see. God hates us. Who won the movie? Baldwin? Yeah.

I think Baldwin won the movie. As good as Streep as likable as she is in it, I think he's just really great in this. Yeah. Especially like someone who's reputation. Like I hadn't seen this movie since 2009 until re-we-wrote. No, I'd seen it maybe once since then. But it's been a while re-watching it, I was shocked by how good he is in it.

And I remember thinking at the time, but it's like, oh, my God, what a performance. Craig, who won the movie? Baldwin, for sure. Okay. What do you have for your thoughts? I've seen this movie a couple times. It's great. Super enjoyable.

I think it's, I think it was better this time than when I had last watched it. Poor Ebert just did know what was coming. I mean, there was probably only five good rom-coms after this movie since that, right? True.

There's just not a lot out there. And I think he was a little bit of an embarrassment of riches of rom-coms for a while. It was slowing down, I think, in the 2000s. But, um, I also think this movie is like more about food than any movie that's not explicitly about food. Like, I just,

so many of the relationships are surrounded by food. I love the subtext of like, and I just noticed this time, like the way Baldwin's character eats and interacts with her food versus how Steve Martin's character eats and interacts with her food is like very indicative of their relationships and the way they interact with one another. Even like the family, there's just so many, like the late night snacking after the family dinner where they're all at the fridge, like eating the leftovers around the island, the dinner party, her serving everybody, the late night ice cream, the drunk croissant. I just think this is one of the best food movies ever and it's not really about food at all. Are you saying it feels like everyone else is like entitled to her food and they expect it to just be around? Yeah. Steve Martin's how they behave with the food. Like mom's like a glutton.

Like the noodles. Oh, no, I finished it. Yeah. And how indulgent he is with it. Yeah. And him like coming over and eating the croak monsieur. Even though it was like Steve Martins, he doesn't give a shit. Yeah.

Yeah. It's great. It's a mom calm. The youngest son is just smiling like a psychopath as he eats leftover noodles. Yeah. The kids make no sense. He thinks about killing people. I had a title idea.

This was actually the title of a rom-com that came five years later, which I never saw. But Meryl Streep in this movie refers to herself now as The Other Woman, which I thought would have been a good title. Yeah, it's a rom-com. That's not as good. That's a good one. Yeah, and it is not as good. And she calls her a favorite. Yeah, I mean, it's funny.

Who's in that one? It's Brooklyn Decker, right? Yeah. Yeah. What you're talking about. No, Kate Upton? It's Kate Upton. Is it?

Yeah, it's Kate Upton. Oh, wow. Okay, well, I apologize. Is it Leslie, man. Who's the other woman? My wife likes that movie and the sweetest thing is a big, big favorite for her. Although she likes every rom-com. I don't even know if it's just, she likes all of them.

Yeah. It's the biggest casualty of streaming, right, the rom-com. They'll never come back to theaters. They're bad now. They just, they won't. Set it up was really good, I thought. It was. The Glenn Powell.

Pre-pendemic out. Eight years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Seven years ago? It was good. That was the last. Five years ago.

Yeah, that was 20-20. That's the last good one that I thought. That's also like. That's also like a genre. Like that's Sydney Sweeney. We love Glenn Powell here and the we watch balls, but that movie was bad. One of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life. It's really bad.

And I say that as someone who loves rom-coms. So many plot points in that movie hinge on someone overhearing something. Like multiple times. Yeah, it's bad. My daughter loved it and saw it like 10 times. Maybe that's your answer. You know, that's the problem. The other one is they won't give Nancy the money to make her movie.

Just give Nancy the money. Give Nancy the money. All of these movies are good. She was getting crazy budgets. 80 million for something's got to give in 03. That was more than the Matrix budget. Yeah, but then it made... Which movie has stood the test of time?

Listen, hydrangeas cost a lot. They were doling it out. Hydrains are expensive and that volume to have on set every day. That's what it costs. It is insane to spend $180 million on an Ais-Meyer's movies. Canterreuse is also better and something's got to give than he was in the Matrix. That's my hottest thing. There we go.

Absolutely. He's so good in it. He is an incredible performer. It's a perfect younger man. I can't believe he's it. She wanted 180 for her. That's like twice sinners budget. Well,

but it was Netflix. They were going to have to pay everyone at advance or something. I think she must have an agent who was just like, I think I can get him to 180. Well, she got big stars. Scarlett Johansson. A lot of it's an actor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks to Craig and Jack and Ronick. Amanda. Bill. It's good to have you back in the fold. It's really nice to be here. Meena Kimes. First time in a while,

first one in person. You'll do this again with us at some point. An honor to talk about. Do you have fun? Oh my God. You texted me. Do you like it's complicated?

Nancy Myers and I was like, this is the moment I've been waiting my whole life. I know. It's really, really exciting when you get one of those texts. Just, yeah,

when I'm like feeling you out for the movie. Yeah, but the two I've gotten were working girl and then it's complicated in a row. Like, I'm living my dream. But I knew you loved working girl. I know. That's like your favorite movie.

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