The Rewatchables - 'Jaws 2’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Just when you thought it was safe to listen to The Rewatchables again, Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey revisit the hit sequel ‘Jaws 2’, starring Roy Scheider, Lorraine Gary, and Murray Hamilton. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nair, and Jack Sanders Book your next business trip at holidayinn.com This episode is sponsored by State Farm®. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.®  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can find The Watch with CR back from the Pacific Northwest. Here I am. Flew in to do a little Jaws 2. Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water. Genius tagline. We're going to take a break. Jaws 2 next. The legend continues, but no one sees it.

Chief Brody. The legend continues, but no one believes it. That's a shark. what a shark looks like because I've seen one up close. And you better do something about this one because I don't intend to go through that hell again. The legend continues. The all-new Jaws 2. This episode of The Rewatchable is presented by Holiday Inn by I-H-G.

It's a new day for a new stay at Holiday Inn for business travelers. Do you kind of as a business traveler, Sean? Sure, sometimes. With modern spaces for meeting and working plus delicious dining from breakfast to happy air. Do you breakfast, Sean? I do. I had an apple and a breakfast bar this morning. Oh, interesting. I don't need any breakfast. But I do love happy hour and dinner. They have that too. You have everything you need to get your work done. Give your everyday business travel and upgrade. Book your next business trip at Holiday Inn by IHG visit holiday inn.com to book your stay. Jaws 2. Circling this for a while. I for some reason own this as a 4K Blu-ray. I love this movie. The first hour is pretty rough. It's slow. I used the word. Yep. And then it becomes amazing.

I think we did die hard with a vengeance a couple weeks ago. If you took the first 80 minutes to die hard with a vengeance and then merged it into the last 45 minutes of Jaws too. That'd be a really confusing film. Yeah. If they go out to Far Rockaway and there's shark attacks happening, and that's the final Simon says. Put that sandwich board on that shark. See what happens in Harlem.

You know, it could be a problem. That'd be quite a scene. That's a way to connect it to New York month. This movie ultimately gets there as a sequel. I really fully completely support the last 45 minutes. There's just some awesome shark kills and that's kind of all you need.

The shark kills are fucking awesome in this movie. There's a couple, whoa, I can't believe they did that. Yeah, and they're flat out murders. In the background, dazed and confused is happening. Yes. So good. I think it's four movies. This is what I wrote down.

It's a slasher teen movie. It's a PTSD damaged hero movie. It's a late 70s teenage beach hangout sailing movie and then it's a shark movie. What's your favorite out of those four? I think probably the slasher monster movie side of it. Like the idea that this shark is just marauding around and thinking of new creative ways to kill teenagers.

It's basically Myers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, just three months before Michael Myers, right? Yeah. This is the true forerunner to what horror movies would be for the next 10 years. They kind of advance it. There's a little bit of...

Porny teenagers in peril. Yeah. There's a little bit of a detective movie, too, because for about 40 minutes, Brody's like, what could be causing these weird disappearances in the water? I have a bad feeling about this, but, you know, developing the film, all the stuff that he has to do. Yeah. I have a fifth movie that is.

It's also, I think, a Sorkin-esque portrait of a local politician having a breakdown. Whatever is going on with the mayor in this movie, I'd like to spend an hour on. I have a spot here in the pod. So you think this created the West Wing? It feels like it, you know? Like a man who has to go before the public and continue to deny the truth. Yes. Every day of his life.

Who's turned over the keys to Amity to real estate developers somehow? He's grooming his son, Larry Von Jr. He's not a die. You're my son Larry. Larry Jr. Do you want to do... We probably did this in the first Jaws movie, but the Amity, Cape Cod, Long Island, like whatever's going on here.

I mean, shot in the vineyard, right? But I guess it's supposed to be Long Island. Isn't that the idea? But then mostly shot in Florida. Yeah. It's just trying to do a whole bunch of things. Yeah, it's a familiar milieu. Yeah.

My dad lived on the beach when I was a kid, and so I was always going to these communities. But he was not a beach cop. Did he ever have any aspirations or ambitions to become a Martin Brody-esque figure? Seems like a great job. Well, I have some questions about that, actually, regarding what Brody's been up to in the three years since the original shark attack. Since he was the man of the year and everything. Yeah. It sounds like he, doesn't he make a reference to like four things happen a year? It's like I make four arrests a year or something like that.

Yeah. Man, I have so much to say about this, but like, Brody was afraid of the water. And then he had the most traumatic experience you could ever have on the water. And then he's like, I think I'll stay near the water. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. I'm going to drive my Jeep right on the beach. Just like move to Glen Cove or something.

You don't have to be in a beach town. It's okay. Right. Well, it's like what we talked about with DiRour of the Vengeance. Also, killing the shark probably sets up some amazing side career for him, like where he could write a book and go on talk shows, do Dick Cavett. Like a harpoon sponsorship or something. I have to start asking hard questions about whether Brody was participating in a slush fund scheme with Mayor Larry.

It's true. You know, whether he was... You want to do this now? Getting a little wet in his beak a little bit. You think there's some beak wetting? Something is fishy. You think Ellen Brody's really bringing in the money being like the town salesman for that real estate developer? Well, there's some, I guess, a deleted scene that insinuates that Brody gets...

I decided not to watch the deleted scenes because two hours plus of Jaws 2 is enough. plus I watched the entire making of documentary which I'm excited to talk about but apparently they hint at some Brody's wife with the boss like some sort of like romantic maybe that Brody gets been out of shape about and they smartly took that out of the movie

because that would have been idiotic. Can't disrespect Martin Brody like that. Well is the implication that you know if Ellen is polished and Len's knob that she's getting like a Christmas bonus? Like what's happening? Like, what is really, what's the quid pro quo there?

He's the chief of police. It would have been better if Martin was boring the shit out of her telling all war stories about fighting jaws with Hooper and just being like, man, remember that time in 74 when I killed that fucking shark? She's just like, all right, we can move on from this, you know? Why does Ellen even need a job as a glorified secretary for Len? You know, like I, it doesn't. She's a career woman. It's the late 70s. Women are in the workplace.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, that's right. Were they in the wet place? It doesn't really seem like it. This guy's like wander around the beach in a four-piece suit. They're not doing any parenting, so they have plenty of time to dedicate to your professions. I mean, the bigger question, Martin Brody, good hang? My kind of hang.

My kind of hang? Yeah, three cigarettes before breakfasts. It shows home that it's like you're not sure how drunk he is when dad gets home? Yeah. Is dad really drunk or kind of drunk? Oh, the car sideways in the garage. Shider is just the shade of an heirloom tomato, the whole movie. It's incredible.

Well, there's great research about how he kind of didn't want to be in the movie. Kind of. Yeah. Which we'll get to. But apparently he was surly for like the first half of the filming basically, which I thought was hilarious. It's the character very well. Yeah, you can kind of feel it in some of the scenes where he's just like, put the cue card right there so I can fucking see it. Let's get this done.

He's still Roy Shider, though. I mean, honestly, it's like whether he's reading up for cue cards, whether or not he hated being there. Like, there's a couple of scenes in there where he's like, this guy's the fucking best. Well, we do this every time we do Shider But we got to go through his 70s Clute French connection Jaws Marathon Man, Sorcerer, Jaws too All that jazz, just ripping them off

Sneaky Shider month here on the show It is a sneaky Shider We can do all that jazz next It's the summer of Shider We're Shire July Sounds good Well, we've already done the good Shiders What are we doing Blue Thunder?

Well, we have Sorcerers still lingering Sorcerer and all that jazz Just came out on Blu-ray Yeah, it did you get that one? I certainly did How was it? It's really good. I'm featured on it.

I don't know if you know that. He's participated. What do you mean? I interviewed James Gray on that Blu-ray talking about Sorcerer. Really? Yeah. Wow. It's really excited.

It really is. Congratulations. It was very cool. It was very fun to do. Gotta get it now. Yeah. I saw the Criterion Collection was on sale for 50% off. It's a great time for sales right now out there.

It really is. I mean, all that jazz is also in the criterion collection. I got it already. Shiders. Shiders. loves that one. Who was supposed to be in all that jazz? Oh, Dreyfus.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, Dreyfuss is in this. There's a lot of swapping of great big movies and great big parts. I can't wait to talk about that. Well, sequels. Let's dive into this because Damien Omen 2. Good movie.

Just got stretched by the books. You always say it like there's not a colon in the title. Damien Oman 2. That's it. I call Damien Oman 2. Yeah. Well, he should. Damien, was his last name Oman?

Or was he a different last name? Oh, it's not Omen. No, it's Omen. It's Omen. His father, Bob Oman. Damien Omen, too. Bob Oman the first. Jaws, too, both June in 1978.

So why is this important? Well, we're starting a sequel boom. They didn't really do sequels. They did Bond sequels. They did those weird airport movies that they put the year of the whatever. 17, yeah. Clint Eastwood's westerns were sort of sequels.

Go back to the 20s, 30s, 40s, they love doing sequels. Then it kind of died off. I see you just threw a little chum in the water for Rissolo talking 40s. Right, well, now we know. Get Rissillo on a thin man cod? I'm desperate. He said he wanted to be the three of us, but I need you and Ryan looking each other in the eye doing cost of one for two hours. I need it.

I needed more than I need anything in the world. All right, we'll do it. Seriously, I would retire from the Rewogicals. You guys did that. It would be like, we've completed the mission. 77 has Exorcist 2, Bad News Bears and Breaking Training, a Phenomenal and Airport 77. 78 has Jaws 2, Omen 2, bad news bears, 3 go to Japan.

We don't acknowledge that movie. Also Revenge of the Pink Panther, one of the biggest movies of the year. And they had a bunch of big Panthers. 79 has Rocky 2, which becomes as big of a phenomenon as jaws too. And we also get Airport 79, Butch and Sundance prequel and more American graffiti. And then 80 has

Empire Strikes Back Smoking the Bandit 2. So these are top 10 movies that are sequels. And then you can just see how it changes where Superman 2, Halloween 2, Friday 13 2. In 1982 here are all the sequels. Rocky 3, Star Trek 2, Fred 133, Airplane 2, Halloween 3, Death Wish 2,

Greece 2, Aminiville 2, and Penitentiary 2. If you just go by the year, there's just normal movie titles. Like, you look at, like, 1975, and it's just movie titles. And then you get to, like, the 80s. It's two, two, you see two sequels, whatever, and it just changes. Do you find it comforting or alarming that for your entire life, like, that's been the case? Like, because in some ways, it should give us a little bit of peace when it's like,

oh, there's nothing original anymore. But I don't think there's anything that is inherently bad about a sequel. I think, you know, the Empire Strikes Back is remarkable. Like, it's one of the best movies ever. Godfather 2 is one of the best movies ever. I do think that there's a consistency in the ones that you talked about from 77 through 80 where the number two's are basically the same as the first film but worse. And money grabs.

And they're only made for money. But like the structure of the movie is usually the same. The director is usually a little less good than the director of the original. There's usually at least one star missing. Somebody doesn't show up. The lead is usually a little bit more like begrudging about having to do the movie. They don't feel as happy about it. Yeah.

So it's just not as special. There's a lot more hand-wringing in the stories about the making of these movies. There's a lot more hand-wringing about like we were waiting for a script that honored the first one. Or they could live up to the first one. We don't have that problem anymore. Yeah. Like we're like, we just need to get these going. You know?

Halfway through the movie, they're like, yeah, just have them shoot the blue fish and let's get the next scene. Anna Darmus is the ballerina and she is John Wick. Like, let's not worry about this too much. Yeah. But it was fascinating to see that the Jaws producers. basically did this because they were like, we don't, this is going to happen anyway. So better to be involved and try and make it, you know,

on the level of the first one. Yeah, somebody's doing a shark movie if we don't. That's what David Brown said. Do you believe that? Or do you believe that was a way to match? I believe Universal would make another Jaws movie, don't you? I mean, it's like a groundbreaking box office success in that way.

Yeah, it's possible. I just think we've talked about this a bunch of times this year, especially the Star Wars pod. I just think this is right around movies change. And they look at a movie like Jaws or Star Wars, and they're just like, just let's run that back, let's do that again. I saw Jaws 2 in the theater. It was another one at the Cleveland Circle Theater.

There you go. My dad took me. I was the exact same age, I think, as little Sean. And super scared the last hour of the movie, like really genuinely scared. I vividly remember the helicopter thing. That was like one of the craziest things I've seen in a movie theater. It's still really effective. It's really great.

There's still a few things in this that are really good. And then fucking Marge just getting swallowed up by by Jaws Jr. Absolutely. Well, I have a, I may have a contender for that. Also, a holy shit. I've never seen that shot from behind.

Yeah. And it's a great invention because you don't have to show her getting quinted. You know, she just disappears. Yeah, well, it seemed like they were really worried about the R. So they didn't, they had a couple of crunching down things that they ended up cutting out. But this was a moment when this came out

and this movie did really, really well and I think it's one of the reasons we started getting more sequels. This movie fucking killed it, the box office. And it didn't matter if it wasn't as good. And it kind of got killed critically, right? Like, it was not well reviewed at all. It was not.

It didn't matter at all. But also then became a absolute staple of early HBO. I remember this being on a ton when I was a kid. Yeah. All the Dodge sequels were. But it's been in a weird way, like I wonder sometimes if I've seen jaws too more than jaws just cumulatively, you know, because every time I watch

jaws, I make a big like thing out of it. Yeah. And with this, it's like, oh, yeah. Oh, the water skiing. Like, I'll sit down for this, you know? Yeah, from a, from, we always talk about why we created the pod. This is a classic, oh, they're going sailing. Mm-hmm.

Oh, Eddie's about to get it. Eddie's about to die. I'm going to stick around for another 40 here. Poor Eddie. All you want to do is play the guitar on the beach. get laid. Come on, Tina, just don't make it so tough on a guy, you know?

I get the impression that he kind of put a lot of numbers up with Tina in the first place. Like, he actually, maybe he lived a good life. Oh, I feel like Tina was undiagnosed ADHD and kept being like, is that a parasailer if I got to get out of here? You know? What was she saying about she needed a blanket because her mom noticed the black and blue bruises?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, because they kept, they were knocking it out on the boat. No, I get it. It's just like, American cars in the 70s,

a lot of sharp edges, you know? What were her parents inspector when she got a lot of, Oh, my God. Yeah. Time for your ass inspection, Tina. Yeah. You've been out with Eddie all night. What's that bruising?

Tina, got bruised? Oh, I was bawling Eddie in the back of the space wagon. Also, fucking on a boat. And that boat, that size? Not easy. Yeah. Yeah. Wish we had gotten to see it.

Eddie's got to be a very tender lover. Well, he was a guitar player. What do you think their favorite position was? I'd probably very careful. Yeah, Flamenco. He's a careful, careful lover that Eddie. Well, by the time we got to 1983, here with the scene. Return of the Jedi, Superman 3, awful, Jaws 3, horrible, Psycho 2, horrific, Forgey's 2, a disgrace, the Sting 2 never happened, and Smoky and Bandit 3.

We literally went 0 for 7. Do you like Smoky 3? You didn't put a little review on the end of it. Not positive Burt Reynolds is in it. I kind of like Psycho 2. I'm just going to put that out there. Really? Yeah, I think there is a cult to that movie now. What? Yeah, it's like a late stage, Anthony Perkins appreciation.

interesting. I forget the director's name, Australian guy who made Patrick and Road Games a couple of gnarly. I think it's like some good kills in it.

I like Psycho too. Pork is too. Saw that in the theater. Has some of the worst sports scene footage in the history of the same basketball. And meat,

the, he's like a power forward. I'll bet. Remember me. Meets 35 in real life at this point. Play a power forward in the high school team

and does not know how to play basketball. And if there's video of it, we could easily cut this into the social clip. Like, he is, I had never probably touched any sort of sports object before this movie. And he's just running around like, ugh. Even the fat kid and teen wolf was better. Chubby, at least looked like he had a little bit of an Oliver Miller type of game. Was there a team, there was a team wolf too, wasn't there?

Oh, there was. Yeah. T-O-O. Oh, right. So I wanted to ask. Before he became Jason Batman. That's right. whatever that at is.

In the Ryan household, I will say, weirdly, maybe uniquely, just the revenge is our favorite sequel. That's Michael Kane. Yes. And Mario Van Peebles. Yes, it is.

That's a Jamaican one. I don't know if I'd play that one more than once. What happens? Sean gets, he's like a harbor master, and he gets killed by a shark outside of Amity. It is the revenge. Sean Brody? It is the revenge on Martin Brody.

Yes. That is why... Brody's passed away from a heart attack. Surprise, surprise. Four packs of their cigarettes. Finally got around. And then Sean is like a, you know, following in his father's footsteps, gets his arm bitten off and dragged out to the water.

Ellen freaks out. Michael comes from his job in the Bahamas. And is like, Ellen, you got to come down the Bahamas with me. You got to soothe your soul. She meets... I can't remember what Michael Cain's character is named. It's like Wogi or something like that. Hogi Nukum.

Hogi Nukum played by Michael Cain, and then I think Mario Van Peebles is like a dive master there. And then... Say no more, I'll dial it up on 2B tonight. They do battle with the shark. It's pretty awesome. Three is the water park. Yes, that was a 3D world.

It's got in the weird 3D area. It's bad. Really bad. Yeah, all those 3D movies, they didn't really know. That was a Sterling defensive Jaws, the Revenge, but it's very bad, as I recall. I've seen all, I've only seen those one each. Well, Lorraine Gary's in all four.

Yes. She is. Yes. Which is hilarious because she was married to Sheimberg. It's the head of Universal. Yes. And if you look at her IMDB,

I think we did this when we did Jaws, but she's basically a TV actress and a couple things and then ends up in Spielberg's Jaws is like the wife of the hero. That being said, I kind of like her. She's fine. I said this on the Jaws pot.

I think she's really good in Jaws, the first Jaws. I'm a little confused about her career path in Jaws 2. And then by Jaws 4, she's like one of the heroes. Yeah, she is the hero of Jaws 4. Yeah. So that's a little questionable. So you don't think the Lakers should have drafted her in the second round?

Can she finish Lobbs? We don't know. Yeah, so she's the only thread for the four. Well, they decided to do the sequel late in 75. Spielberg said no. Thanks anyway. There was some writer they brought in and wanted to do a prequel about Quint's story about the U.S. Indianapolis.

You got to slow down here. Yeah. I wanted to just clear the floor from C.R. like sort of creative team of Jaws when they were like we got to do a sequel and I think even there's some reporting that Spielberg was like that's actually a cool idea or maybe that was his idea

but Carl Gottlie was writing it or something was the Quint prequel the USS Indianapolis prequel that he tells the story of in Jaws. I'm in and I'm fucking in and I think we may have talked about this on the Jaws pod but like if Jaws had just been an anthology series

about shark attack in different parts of the world or some connective tissue with the characters it would have been like the greatest franchise ever and I bet Spielberg would have been interested enough to come back if it wasn't like Martin

Brody does battle with the shark again well they've ripped this I mean open water remember that one yeah of course the Blake lively movie shallows they just they make deep blue sea like they just keep making shark they've been making them for 50 years but there was also a wave in the immediate aftermath of this

movie of sea creature related movies like you also also had orca immediately after this. You had crocodile, you had alligator, you had... Or eaten alive is the crocodile movie. And then you had alligator. You had piranha, the Jodonté movie. Like, there was a wave of movies...

Literally, a wave of movies like this. I don't mind the piranha movie. Prana is pretty cool. Yeah. Tough way to go. Is it true that... Is it disinformation about piranhas? Are they actually not that dangerous?

Shark or piranha, sheesh. No, I think if there's a lot of piranha, you just... Your body disappears. You just get shredded? Yeah. It's like a water cream. I think I'll go... I feel like you got a better chance

against a shark, weirdly. I mean, I feel like I've watched more shark movies than piranha movies, so I have some ideas about how to combat shark attacks. What movie did I just watch where somebody punches a shark and it works? This just happened in a movie. Dangerous Animals.

That's what it was. Yeah. Yes. You know, but Dangerous Animals is out right now. Jai Courtney. He plays a crazed Australian boat captain who takes people out to see the sharks. She takes women out.

Abducts them. and makes them shark bait for his amusement. And he videotapes them while they're hanging off the side of the boat. This is a movie that's in the theater? It's out right now. It's going to be on shutter this summer. Oh. It's pretty dark.

Even as shark movies go, it's like, holy shit. Like, this guy's just torturing women for two hours. Yeah. It's like saw, but just for sharks. Yeah, it's saw but sharks. Well, but that's great description. Saw, but that was what you laid out that motto. That's what Jaws could have been.

There was just like a new Jaws every year. Yeah. They didn't know how to franchise stuff back then. they had to actually, like, really put thought and money into it. I think that that would have been cool, but, like, let's not forget that the first movie is directed by Steven Spielberg. Like, that's the reason Jaws is amazing. And you really feel at watching Jaws, too, which is a very fun summer blockbuster movie, but it is no Jaws. It's not even close to the propulsive feeling that you get watching Jaws where you're kind of, like, when you're watching Jaws, you're like, leaning closer and closer to see what happens.

In this movie, I'm just like, I'm waiting for the kill. Yeah. That's the thing. And I don't even really think about the kills as much when I think of Jaws. In this movie, it is. It's all kills. It's a machine. Yeah.

Very similar to Halloween 2, a movie that I support. Yeah. Same thing. It's Myers just like, let's get his stats up. His PR in Halloween 2 is just way better. He only has like four kills at Halloween 1. He's Jordan Clarkson. Halloween 2?

He's taken down like an entire hospital. Anyway, they found a director. They start doing a script that's in the future. John D. Hancock. Interesting director. Theater director, TV director, right? the drums slowly. Yes.

Before that, he did a really good horror movie called Let's Scare Jessica to Death, which features great stuff on the water. Are you on that

4KBBBRA or no? I'm not on that long. But there's a really good addition to that one. He's saving it all for the dangerous animal four day. Vinegar syndrome put out a really good version of that.

I, this is a little bit of a what if for me is if they hadn't fired John D. Hancock off the movie. He's a better director than Geno Schwar. The,

Who was a TV director? And the reporting or the stuff about making the movie is that his version of Jaws 2 was like a more of like a darker drama. So I wonder if that's more of the first half of the film. There was that plus didn't the, he was kind of trying to cut back the wife's parts and the universal guy. That was the story he told. And he blamed this on Shark not working, which is obviously the same line that Spielberg had. He was like, he basically got fired because he could. couldn't get the action sequences to play.

They weren't cutting together. Yeah. And David Brown was like, this guy is, we made the wrong choice. Production stops. Stopped long enough that Spielberg thinks about it. They also thought about the... And he writes the screenplay for the Quint speech. Yeah.

Just for fun, because he was a fucking freak. He was like, I'm going to write this whole movie script. Maybe it was going to maybe be directed by Joe Alves, who did 3D, right? Mm-hmm. And Verna Fields, who edited one, and became like a executive at Universal. but the DGA wouldn't let him do it. Yeah. You can't replace.

I didn't know about that. There was some rule that from Outlaw of Josie Wales, they fired the director and then had the crew direct the rest of the movie. It's kind of like what happened on Tombstone, right? And the DGA was like, we're not doing that anymore. But then we've done 10 rewatchables where that's happened. Yeah, the DGA had the second apron. Yeah.

It's a trade poor Zingas. I don't know if that's a tall tale from Joe Alves or not. I like it. He says that, but it's a good story. So they end up with Jenna, Swark. I had so many different variations on how you were going to pronounce this

that I didn't even bother look up the real one because I was so excited. It's one of the weirdest names I've seen in the IDB. His last name is spelled S-C-W-A-R-C. It's called Gene.

Keep moving. But it's borderline shark. It's pretty close. Yeah, it does not. I just love to get three consonants in a row in the last name, you know? Just right to start.

Schwark. We got it here. I got three continents in a row in my last name. You do. Oh yeah. H-O-R-L-B. Oh, yeah.

Congrats. Thanks. Jeannot-Schwerk. Jeannot. Jean-O. Yeah. Ten years later, he's doing episode eight of Hill Street Blues Season 4.

Not bad. Yeah. Yeah, he seems like a very affable man in the interview. You know, didn't like him, Roy Shider. He did not. He didn't like him at all. we did have one one star come back

the goat John Williams they're like hey John can you kick in a little teenage kids salam having fun like some fun happy we might have an orgy

at the lighthouse music J-dubs is like I got that J-dubs has got one hand on the close encounters theme and another one just remix and jogging to it that's the thing is like

in In 1778, he also scored The Fury, the Brian De Palma movie, and Superman the movie, which is one of the most iconic themes in movie history. And he was like, yeah, I got time for Jaws, too. Yeah. And he's working on Empire. Yeah. He's got Empire, he's got 1941 coming in 79 and Empire coming in 80. He cooked.

Cooked for 20 years. He was the only one who can match him. They'll be serious. When Beverly Hills Cop and Fletch. And Top Gun. And Beverly House cop, too. That little run Harold had. No, John Williams.

No, no. He's not Zimmer. But we're still the same thing. How did he do it? Who's the guy in Miami Vice? Jan Homer? Yeah. That was another one.

He's just cranking it for two years. Cranking music. Cranking music. Yeah, the synthesizer. Yeah. Anyway, the goat, John Williams is back. $20 million budget made $208 million. Seventh biggest movie of 1978.

The biggest non-bond sequel ever. Roger Ebert refused to review it Why? Just didn't read a review He was a movie critic for the Chicago Sun- Did he refuse or did he just not He was enough in a bullpen? Did the TV show and he

They skipped over and he said It was pure trash I was just going to say I think he used the word trash He said it was pure trash Interesting Not a fan This is quite a stand I mean it's not pure trash

But as we know Raj is the sequel police Raj also doesn't like horror movies Yeah, he's the Martin Brody of sequels. He thinks there's something degrading about the 80s slasher. He never supported them, and this is an 80s slasher. He could have reviewed it.

I mean, it was... He should have reviewed all the top ten movies of the year. I wonder if it was like 15% cornier. You know, if Eddie had sealed the deal, if Rod would have been like... If Jackie would have whipped him out, yeah, and then he would have been all about it. Well, we know, we know Raj.

He loves the female form. I mean, he always writes, he's always writing about breasts. Yeah. The R-rated version of this, Roger would be like, yeah, I'll review. You make it seem like he had, like, complete veto power. Like he... At the tribb.

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Most rewatchable scene. All the kids getting together and getting ready to go sailing with the happy John Williams music. I think the title of that song is, The kids are sailing, they're happy. Cousin'Necky arrives. The water skier gets eaten. Yeah, that's where it really goes up.

When you say somebody water skiing and you hear the... Not good. Not good. Really, so this was the first scene. that Jeannot Spark shot and he did it because they needed to rewrite the whole movie. Yeah. And he was like, just give me five days to shoot a really cool scene

and this works. You can also see that that came through in the edit where you're like, man, this chick is water skiing for a really long time. Yes, a lot of time spent. I do need to explore with you the woman pouring gasoline all over herself before lighting a flare and exploding the entire part.

I'm actually picking this. It's one of my favorite things. That clip is just playing in joking. Dumar's office he's what is she would she be the gift for any time but it'll be 18 fuck so

it's gasoline it's so hard to do even with a shark attacking you it's like how did you what's the math on that like what was she going for why does she have a giant thing of gasoline in her boat

what he's trying to do like pour gasoline on the shark the fucking shark in the water late matches throw the matches out of It's actually quick thinking She's like, oh, what I'll do is just like douse this thing in gasoline and shoot a flare at it.

It's just like, hey, leave it to the professionals. What's she thinking? Water ski driver. There's like a great overhead shot of her pouring gasoline on herself. But for a second, I was kind of like, is she like I'd rather immolate myself than get eaten by a shot? Even the shark was like, what the fuck are you doing? I just finish

I just get this over with it's like my favorite thing in the movie I love that so much so much we gotta make that a gift it's two bars we can get to 13 but

I'm going to Atlanta he's like oh my god oh man all right more we watch what scenes Brody in the shark

tower freak it out and shooting at the bluefish also kind of do Mars Yeah. There's a kid, like, kind of right there. I mean, it's close.

He's pointing at the kid. This is the funny thing with, like, the town council meeting is the town council definitely has a point. Like, Brody seems insane. Yeah. Now, that's, you lose your job with the shooting at the bluefish. I don't know if there's anything coming back from that. And you lose your job when you trade your own protected 20, 26, for Dair Queen. Do you think in that scene that Brody has PTSD from the original Jaws and that's what's driving to do it?

Yeah, because he says I won't go through that. hell again. Like you're going to have to get somebody else to fight this shark. Great Shot Gordo, Brody coming down the stairs. Yeah. That's a good one. It's a good one. I like the shark tower in general. I was thinking about getting one from my backyard. Okay. That seems normal. Just cool. Just climb up there. Where's dad? What about how angry the mayor is when he's up there? He's like, what's he doing up there? Relax. He's a cop. He's doing something. It's a shark tower. It's his job. Brody's showing them the shark picture.

Yeah. This was Roy's Oscar. clip. I think Ryan talked himself into the movie at that point. The check had cleared. He found out what points meant. And he was like, I know what a shark looks like because I've seen one up close. You better do something about this one because I don't intend to go through that hell again. It's good. And they're like, nah, it doesn't look like a shark.

They're like, right? They're really rude to him. Looks like an eye. All right. This is when the movie takes off. The last 50 minutes, Eddie gets eaten. This is just a tremendous. Tremend his head first into the boat and then suck down. Yes. The whole, Eddie, swim!

And Eddie's like, the actor they hired, and I had this in the research, like, didn't know how to swim. They didn't realize it. So they had to, like, quickly teach him, like, how to swim. So you can kind of see it. He's in the water. Yeah, he looks really uncomfortable when he first goes over for it. Because he can't fucking swim.

Yeah. Yeah. This is a... Probably would have checked that on the Eddie character. Hey, any swimming in your history? This is, uh, his name's Gary, Dubin. Yeah.

This is an imagine if you were just a man named Gary Dubin and this is how your IMDB or your Wikipedia started.

He was an American actor best known for his portrayal of Punky Lizar a friend of Danny Partridge on the Partridge family.

He also voiced Toulou in the Aristocats in 1970 and played the part of ill-fated teenager Eddie Marshand

who was eaten by the shark and jaws too. Yeah. That's his legacy. That's his IMDB. He was on Green Acres

Lay into the Giants. It's tough. The See the moment when he gets up to the boat and puts his hand on the boat and it pulled the wood breaks and pulls away, incredible stuff. Really great. The first big sailboat attack where Mike almost dies. Yeah, it gets knocked out. Yeah.

When he bangs his head. Great. And the boat's split and it's just, I love all that. Helicopter guy dies. We talked about him. Awesome. Sean almost gets eaten, not you, Sean. Sean and the little boy, Sean.

And Marge dies. Yeah, March does die. It's tough. Probably the most altruistic person in the movie. Yeah. Didn't say anybody else jumping in for Sean. No, she's an idiot. What is she thinking?

That's an insane call. You would just watch Sean get eaten. I probably wouldn't jump in if I saw the shark coming. I think you would jump in? Yeah, I think you have to. If we're doing blame pie, it's all Brody for being like, take Mike back to the hospital, but not Sean. No, it's Ellen Brody that morning. Oh, Ellen.

When Ellen Brody is like where Sean, he's probably out playing somewhere. I'm like, this is a 10-year-old child. We've got it. No, this was the late 70s. My mom didn't know where I was for six hours a day. You live in Jawstown. You don't live any. There's already been a shark sighting.

That's crazy. Can't judge. This is why I'm up where I was the heyday for serial killers and terrible people. These kids would just be like, yeah, I'll be back in six hours. Guys, there's a shark sighting in Amity. Well, dad. And Ellen Brody is like no big deal. He went away from him out.

He sneaks him out. Yeah. But she doesn't know where her child is. Yeah. But that's the seven days. It could be, he could be down like, you know, getting ice cream or something like that. Well, she's going to have to explain to Marge's parents why she's fucking dead.

Blame pie that. They leave to take, I have this in nipicks. They leave to take unconscious Mike Brody back to a hospital. And nobody says, hey, if you're going to go back, Four-year-old. Why don't you take the eight-year-old kid. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's terrified.

Sorry. Yeah, however old these. I think he's 10. But yeah, good note. But maybe he's a pretty small 10-year-old. I think that they explained that he's 10 in the movie. Do they not?

Oh, I thought you were to be like, they explained that he has a pituitary problem. No, he was around my age when I saw the movie. So he's somewhere from two and 10. But anyway, they just left him behind. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Meanwhile, that was his brother. He had no other siblings in the water with him.

Yeah. Poor March. Very strange. Great kill. All time scene. And then the electric cable ending. Not sure about the science for that one. Well, here's the thing.

We're questioning science. It's okay. I'm just saying, yeah. We know it now because we know it's happening. In the theater, seeing this for the first time, it was an awesome idea. This cable comes up and he realizes what it is and he starts hitting it and you're like, what the fuck is he doing? Why does he do it?

But you realize as the shark's coming, oh, I see what he's going to try to do. Just a really inspired idea. It's a culmination of the film or a climax of the movie that's lightly based on, or it's based on two lightly made points earlier in the movie. Hendrix pulls up the power line when they're dredging after the first kill. Yeah, love it. Chekhov's power line. And the shark expert is like, and they're also attracted by sonar. Like, they're attracted to by science. Yeah. And, but if you're not paying attention hardcore to these random scenes, you're like, how the fuck is this working? Like, how is he banging on a wire?

and the shark is coming for it. He's like, they're also attracted to hot girls. Most rewatchable. I think Eddie getting eaten is the best. Yeah, can we just do the doomed sailing trip like then? How about the last 50 minutes? That's the most rewatchable. But I would go, Eddie.

The woman pouring gasoline on herself is the scene I will watch for the rest of my life. I like the chopper. Within the doomed sailing trip, I think the chopper is so fucking cool. What do you have for what's the most 178 thing about this movie? Letting kids hang out in a bar.

I had that as well. 18 year old smoking and drinking in a bar. Yeah. I also have Len talking to Martin Brody about Martin Brody's wife where he's like, she's a hell of a woman. Sir. We got to bring that back. Phoebe is a hell of a woman, Chris.

You know what? Gary Simmons. I'm going to do that over July 4th weekend. I'm just going to start complimenting my friend's wives. See how it goes. You want a mug of a soda? I have a runner up. Donna Wilkes, who we'll talk about later,

who you might know for the people listening from this movie, is the woman who's the kind of hot new girl in town, but then just screams for the last 10 minutes of the movie in complete peril. Her hair? Yep. Very late 70s specific.

There was only a two-year error where anybody had that haircut. Yeah, it's like bangs. Almost like a bowl cut, bangs, but and popped out on the side. Everybody had it. So it just makes me think of that. Hard to believe it didn't stick

around. What's age the best? Kids in the 70s hanging out with the guitar at the beach? Yeah. This was your time, CR.

This is when he would have thrived. I would have been the bony verre of, uh, of amity. Just people,

you need a pack of sags and a guitar. Yeah. Magic's coming up. Holocene on a boat is something I now need to see. Um, yeah,

I have, I have a lot of the teenage behavior is age, best for me, including just being like, we've got beers stowed away in a garage. You know, those beers have just been cooking all summer. Oh, yeah. They've got to do what they're all scum.

How about having a code for get me out of this situation? When Brody's like, we got to look into that 908, and he's like, what's a 908? He's like, I just wanted you to get me out of there. We got to do more of that, right? Yeah, well, should it should be like a mid-pod thing where like bills on a jack? about some girl's haircut, and I'm like, CR 908, 908. It's an 908 problem. The late 70s summer beach montage I had in the What Stage the Best where there's like a

little kid putting mustard on a hot dog and then somebody's flying a kite and it's just like very 70s. Is that, they be nostalgic? In the lead up to the killer whale, the beached whale? No, it's the lead up to when he goes, he's in the shark tower. Yeah. They have this montage. Everyone's having fun at the beach, and then it finishes as Brody in the Shark Tower.

Okay. And it's made me nostalgic. Now you just see somebody with a fucking COVID mask on and two guys smoking pot. What beach are you on? I don't understand. Amity. annoyed by this. Do you think cocaine came up enough on after hours? Well, the floor is yours.

I've heard from some concerned listeners who are like, not enough or too much? Maybe we needed a cocaine expert on the on the bottom. Interesting. Was one available? Expert for which part? Just like what it feels like to be up all night on cocaine out in New York City. Not that the character is, but that Martin Scorsese certainly had been. I think it's a fair point.

Should we just retake the whole pod, delete what we had? No, I just... I've never done cocaine. Pass along some feedback. As you know, neither of I. We'll make up for it when we're still and I do cast a black car. On blow? After doing...

Just YouTube a fucking mirror in the middle? Yeah. This is what it was like to own a bar in Morocco. Cruising car culture? One of the screenwriters, Carl Gottlieb, said he got the idea because of this sailboat thing because so many people would just drive around in cars, which we've seen in days and confused other movies.

Yeah. And he was like, well, let's do this with sailboats. Like these kids every day, they just go out in the water. Pretty good idea. It's very American graffiti in general. The movie. I like it. Yeah. I had... Now they'd be playing Fortnite. Like, it'd just be five kids in five

different houses. Just like, dude, power me up. I'm losing my life. I feel like you've been radicalized by something. Yeah, I just like this era. I like when people hung out and did shit. Yeah, that's true. Let's bring it back.

Yeah, let's bring it back. My last, what's aged the best is just Tina screaming. Shut! I have a couple other ones. Lighthouses? Yeah. Those have aged well? It's like seeing them in movies.

Okay. They typically do age well, though. They'll show it early. They'll be like, we got to like, we got a lighthouse in this movie. I'm like, okay, we're coming back. Sign me up. Mades that show up for a work already dressed like a maid.

Is it the maid or she's the babysitter? What is she? I don't know. Why do they need one, too? They don't do any pair of them. This is like a big thing in TV shows in the 70s when... They have a small clapboard house in the movies. But I'm like, why does she have this job as a secretary?

And then she's employing somebody to work in the house? Like, just quit your job and take care of your family for Christy. Do you think it's like a keeping up with the Joneses kind of thing where like Len makes a... it seemed like, oh, you don't have any help? You got to do that to be successful. It's like, so work for me? Terrible. Maybe it's a comment on capitalism.

Sure. The last one I had was the idea of seeing the shark early and often was smart. You got a zag from the last movie. You're not building up any suspense. We know what the shark looks like. That was Geno's big theory. Let's see the shark. Big Coonerberg order, best use

of food and drink. The punch? Not a ton, yeah, but the punch sucked, right? The pizza that Mike and his buddies are eating at the bar when they're like, and they say to the bartender, this is the only place that the garbage man delivers. You know, I love a little. That looks like some rank bar pizza, though.

I know. It looks gnarly. I'm just saying it's the best you use. I'm not saying I don't want to eat it. Great shot. Order Award, most cinematic shot. It's probably editing pulled down. Oh, I like the water skiing stuff.

I like a lot of the wide shots of her going back and forth across the ocean. Good wide shot of that scene when he's picking up the poison bullets. Yeah. His son comes over and help and they do a nice little wide shot with the water. Oh, you know what's a great one, though, is we didn't talk about the very beginning when they're at the gala event at the, and I don't even, what building is that that they're in? It's the new development. It's like the new conference center that they've built. Where the high school band is playing, there's like a long crane shot that goes all the way over the swimming pool and then down.

Classic Genoa. Yeah, I bet that was Hancock in his bag and they were like, get this guy the fuck out of here. It feels like that. It does feel like that. Kid Cudy Pursuit Happiness is where Best Needle Drop. They don't throw a 70 song in this. I think just rock and John. John Williams.

Jay Dubs. J. Deb's just killing it. There's stuff on the radio, but I couldn't even determine what it was. They don't sing anything? It's like, Falta-mire would have killed it, too. Fall tomorrow would have.

The big two. I'm been working on this riff. Big two. The Sean Fantasy word for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm. I mean, the mutiny on the bounty speech that Douglas gives.

Oh, yeah. Or he gives the Captain Bly. You know, that's a great moment. Douglas would a fucking dork. I don't have a best character name. There's no chess rockwell Brocklanders award this episode.

I was just thinking I even looked through the IMDB to make sure. Len Peterson is a really good real estate developer name.

I like Dr. Elkins. I think it's pretty good. I also think just a gal named Marge. Who's the last

Marge that was under the age of 80 that you've seen? That's true. Well, that's why she died. CR Flex category. I got to do

Sean Penn brought my own pack. We do this for all the shiders, but three cigarettes with coffee before breakfast is really elite.

elite shit. Yeah, I read his Wikipedia, and I was just waiting for the COPD paragraph. I'm not sure it's in there, but he definitely died a little early. And then I also, just for fun, I did Den of Thieves Benihanna Award for the Hogs Breath Saloon, which is a real Florida place. It was on an island, but they moved it to Destin. Yeah, it looks like, it actually reminded me of the Squire and Chatham, but it definitely

looks like a Massachusetts bar. Good job with that. The Butchers Girl. for an award week link in the film is the first hour. It's just slow. Mine was the incredulity of the town council. I think I think we have enough evidence

to suggest that A, this guy knows what he's talking about and B, this can happen here. So for as freaked out as you might be about your new hotel, like you should maybe give him some... I had that in what stage the worst, but that's a good call. But we talked about... It also doesn't really matter. When the people, the heroes of the previous movie

who have no credibility with anybody, nobody's like, maybe we should listen to him. He did, he was right the last time. He did find the Ark of the Covenant, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's a good point. Maybe he's honest. No, they don't do it. Do you have a butcher's girlfriend?

It's kind of tied up in my flex. All right. Wait. What's age the worst other than Lorraine Gary being married to the head of Universal and somehow getting cast in all of these movies? How did they decide to make this movie and have

multiple kids in the group get killed but none of them were Larry Von Jr. Wouldn't that have been the natural revenge for Jaws 1? Well, he should have died early in the movie, and that's what Larry's come to Jesus moment. Like, did we need Larry Von Jr. In the last 20 minutes? Well, he absolutely should have died.

I think that he's not killed because then they don't have to show the mayor cope with that in any way because we know the mayor was not available for the end of this movie shoot. Oh, because he left the shoot. Yes. Why? That's because his, well, this is related. His wife had to get a biopsy.

She thought she had cancer. Murray Hamilton's real-life wife. And so he did, like, you know, all of his days in five days. Okay. And then they got him off the set, which is one of the reasons why the movie kind of ends the way that it does. It doesn't, there's no conclusive moment. And he is actually to, you know, in terms of his performance, he's like, I'm only like a figurehead. Like, the Lenn guy is obviously running the town and he's just, like, kind of shuffling along.

Counter. The movie ends after Roy Shatter electrocutes the shark and we didn't need to see Mirvan anyway. So I think Larry should have been shoots at Smith the reins. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Fuck that guy. Fuck that family.

Yeah. Marge had to die and he gets to live. Can I throw in an additional Larry Vaughn, what's age the worst? Yeah. When Larry goes up to Michael and he's like, dad's got you working, huh? And it's just like, hey, fuck you, man. Remember when you sent my dad out there to get eaten? Like, I'll fucking work it.

I'm not working. Mind your own business. The broodish of hated, Mayor Vaughn. Yeah. Classic politician, son. Not a nice guy. What else he had for what age of worse? Anything?

No. No, I don't. We'll have a couple. Mike Brody Mm-hmm Terrible actor Tough So bad that he gets knocked unconscious

And he's giving the same performance Unconscious As he was during the first hour of the movie Yeah Also terrible big brother Don't bring your little eight-year-old out For your big Let's All Get Drunk and

And sailboats And like maybe not the best place For your old brother I do believe this was Mark Gruner's Final Credit As an actor that he is a former American actor.

Yes. I wonder what he does have. Listen, sometimes things aren't your calling and you realize it and you move on to the next thing. Is he the kid from the first jaws? Is it like the same

it's not Michael from the first shot? Okay. Like Donna Wilkes is she's like, are you going to be there tomorrow? And he's like, I don't know, maybe. Well, he's playing hard to get there day.

Or is he's half dead. He's not a very good actor. I agree with that. There's no black people in this movie, but there was no black people in Jaws 1 either, but maybe this is Amity, where they just, it's just all white people.

You're saying Jim Crow still exists an Emmy? I don't understand why there aren't any black people in this movie. Maybe we could do sinners, a sequel that connects to the Jaws world. It's really good. I have the Van Lathen Award, did this movie need more black people? I would go a step further.

One black person, one, anybody who's not a white person. What's going on in Amity? Why couldn't he have a new deputy who's black? Are there no minorities in Amity at all? Maybe this is a parable about punishing the white oppressor by having them killed by sharks in this community.

But then they put Lou Gossa Jr. through hell in the next film. That's true, but then Mario Van Peeples gets his revenge. It's true. In the climax, Bob rescues Lucy from the shark, but then gets bitten in half. Yeah.

And it's so gruesome. They decided this will get us an R. We can't have this in the theater. So Bob survives, but I'm not sure you can see Bob. I would say one of the things that's aged the worst is, realistic that that size of a group might be hanging out during the summer

it's not good for film when you're like there's like 22 kids here and it's hard to keep every and I feel like six of them are named Eddie. Yeah. And it's kind of hard to keep it straight like who's fucking who who's hanging out. Who's important? To me it's always the guy... I don't know who Bob. I don't know who Bob is. To me

to me it's the guy who's always not Keith Gordon because Keith Gordon... Well there's Napoleon Dynamite guy next to Keith Gordon. That's his point. Isn't that Bob? No, that's not Bob. That's not Bob. he's the one who gets, because the Napoleon Dynamite gets Brooke. He's been pining after Brooke. Right. Right. Yeah.

Who's the guy with the curly hair? Who's like, hey, Mike, going out today? That's, uh, that's Andy. It's just Mike Bob, Eddie. Yeah, Andy. If we could just get a little bit of roster shrinkage, I think that would be great. I see. You want to use the stretch provision on Andy?

Well, just like seven kids. I think I could keep that straight. There's like 14 of them. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge, overacting word goes to Donna Wilkes who screams like an absolute maniac for the last 10 minutes of this movie. It's interesting. So compelling as a screamer,

it's both realistic but also pretty annoying. And at one point, we have the classic 70s move that would never happen now where the guy is telling her to calm down and does the airplane shake like in the movie airplane. It's a borderline domestic violence moment. Larry looks like he would slap her across the face. Yeah, that's another reason why he had to be eaten. That's true. But she becomes,

the future star, I sent this to you guys. Six years later, makes a movie called Angel. Are you announcing that for next week's rewatchable yet? A TV classic. It's a wonderful film. I haven't seen it a long time, but she's a high school student in Hollywood by day and a hooker on Hollywood Boulevard at night.

And then a serial killer tries to kill her. And she becomes involved in some sort of serial killer thing. And it made $17 million and was a surprise hit. Is that a big... And they made like... Ty Westfever? They made like five of them. It's one of the key inspirations for,

the Maxine, the movie that came out a couple years ago, the horror movie, the final movie in the Tye West trilogy. My overacting goes to Anne Dozenberry as Tina Wilcox. I feel like she really, she chooses the scenery every time she gets it. She like runs up to the camera. She's like, like every time she's really selling. Was she Miss Amity?

What was her title? Yeah, she was Miss Amity. All the guys want to get on Tina. It's a lot of competition. Okay. Sean, you have a flex category. Yeah, so, the greatest acting I've ever seen in my life award

goes to Murray Hamilton, who's literally doing a terrible performance and the best performance I've ever seen, where you can watch him as the mayor of a town that has already endured a shark attack that becomes national news. He has presumably been re-elected mayor. It's been four years.

Another shark has arrived in his town, and he is compartmentalizing and just shutting it down with nothing is having. happening. And the reason the performance works is because he's gotten terrible news in his real life about his wife who he believes may have cancer. And so he is just dead-eyed. He can barely even talk in this movie. Murray Hamilton is barely giving a performance. He has to like pass the baton to land in the town council meeting. Exactly. But you know, knowing what we know about the backstory, it weirdly works for the character as like this politician has sold his soul. But in fact,

it was just a man who could barely finish the day as an actor. And that, to me, is cinema. And Shider was like, I thought I was going to be the only one mailing it in. He can barely even see. It's a good one. This brings us to the CR things.

Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford How to Take Award. I'm glad you brought up Mervon. I think Marvon keeping his job after Jaws won is the biggest reach in movie sequel history. You might be right. So it's in the finals for me with after Halloween 2 when Michael Myers gets shot in both eyeballs and shot, I think he's been shot like a total of 13 times at that point and stabbed in the neck and blows up in the fire and burns to death when he then comes

back two movies later. That would be my other choice. But Mervon, like, I just don't think he's getting reelected. I actually don't think he should be allowed to live in Amity. I don't even know if he should be a free man. The Kintner family is super. the town of Amity for seven years, and it's going to be like the Gawker Hulk Hogan settlement. It's going to be $150 million out of this. It's going to be renamed Kinderville. And he's going to jail. That's how it's not even, forget that getting reelected.

He's going to prison for what he did to the little Alps. We're just whiteboarding here. How cool would Jaws 2 be? And this, not 2B, too. How cool would it be? If Brody, big fucking hero of Jaws 1, Mare? Rides the wave to mayor

and now finds himself in Larry's position where he's like... Yeah, where he's like, fuck. I mean, there's a lot of responsibility that comes with this job, a lot of financial pressure that may be a shark,

it may not be. And then he's the one resisting and we get a new Brody coming in. I'm zagging, I'm going the other way. In fact, in America, we love our dirty politicians and we love for them to be revived in the national consciousness.

And we are living through a moment just like it right now. I don't even think he was revived. I think they were just saying, yeah, I got that one wrong. He hit a rough patch and you bounced back. Also, you never know with those island communities because it's so full of summer people who probably aren't voting in local elections. So if the locals are like this one, this guy, he looks out for our best financial interests, maybe they reelect him.

What are your thoughts, Craig? Well, I feel like him falling into the same trap again. He gets reelected. And then once again, Brody's like, hey, I think there's a shot. shark in the water and he's like, nah, lightning can't strike twice. A little dubious. The truth is actually that there are two sharks in jaws. There's the shark that they catch at the beginning and then another.

So we know that this is shark waters. Even the two divers went missing, a charred body washed up on shore and he is still like, we don't know. In fairness, the charred body washing on shore is one of the craziest things that's ever happened in the history of movies. I can see him being a little bit confused by the way. that one? What's your hottest take? I think if cousin Jackie

never shows up in Amity, we have a much lower body count because all those guys are so trimstruck by her that they are like... Trimstruck. Paws it up. Is that a phrase? Trimstruck. There's a less polite way of saying it.

Yeah. It's different four little... But lots of guys are like, we got to fucking take Jackie sailing. You know, like, it's like she's driving all of this. And I feel like she has some capability in this. And I honestly find her freaking out and her trauma to be a little, you know, un-earned.

I also think Tina, there has... I think it's a much more interesting if we're just with the kids the whole time. Yes. Yeah. I think Tina immediately hates the new girl.

Jackie, yeah. They're feuding. Tina and Jackie hate each other. Brooke, like, you know, there's like a whole summer I term pretty thing going on with Brooke. You know, like, there's just a lot going on. Good, could have been a good season one

of a terrible Amazon show. Did people used to have sex on? sailboats? That just didn't make sense to me. Because if it doesn't go well, then you're stuck at sea. Yeah, not a big sailboat guy, myself, so I can't say. It seems a little risky with the water and the way things kind of move up and down. And again, if she turns you down, then you're just a thousand feet deep into the ocean.

Yeah, you get into the... True. Yeah, that's not ideal. How is the first season of Trim Struck going from you, you've been working on it? There is, like, a very funny, it's always sunny big about, like, the implication. out on the water for the implication. Yeah. It's a shutter original.

Did you ever had a take? I do. We've been talking a lot about 1977 and what a critical year that was. We've already done an episode on Jaws. And on the Jaws episode, on the Star Wars episode, we said that those were the movies that kind of killed the new Hollywood. But this is actually the movie that killed the new Hollywood. Yeah.

This is the one that this movie being okay. It's like, oh, these movies don't even have to be good. and making $78 million in 1978 is when it's over. That's because Jaws and Star Wars are special. This movie is fun, but it's not special. And that is why we are where we are. That's how we got to 1983 with Superman 3 and all those other ones. But did the people in 1978 feel that way?

Because when Empire Strikes Back came out, they were probably excited. When Jaws 2 came out, was everybody pissed? No, I'll tell you firsthand. Wanted to go first day? It was more excited for Rocky 2. They could have kept serving them out. Yep. But after the movie came out

and the reviews were middling, was everybody like, this was a mistake, we need to stop? Or was it like, ah? No. America wanted it. The other thing is,

you didn't really get to see these movies after they were in the movie theater unless they were on, like, ABC. Yeah. Well, there was still something relatively novel about a sequel. I mean, they were criticized for being on original,

but there were not a thousand of them. Like, there are now, like Chris was asking about. Stillberg is a good example of how it changes. It's like, I think that making sequels is like, for Carney. Yeah, and then he makes the lost world. And then he makes four sequels. You can't overstate how little we had going on in the late 70s.

Like when baseball went on strike, it was one of the worst things that ever happened to me in 1981. It was just like, oh, my, it was like this black fucking hole. Yeah. Like, there's nothing. There's nothing could compare to that now. Did you want to pour gasoline? This episode is brought to you by Apple and AT&T. Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all.

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I don't know. Roy Shider. It's going to do Deer Hunter. Oh, yes. A reverse casting, what if. This is up there with Fishburn for me, though. Yeah, can't agree on the money for Deer Hunter. He created a problem with Chimito, too.

Yeah, and somehow he's out and ends up, the Universal's like, well, you got to do a movie with us, you're doing Jaws too, and he wasn't going to be in Jaws too. But what part is he in Deer Hunter? He was going to be De Niro. That's insane. He was going to be Michael. That would not have worked.

Well, I'm very happy we got what we got. You're happy we ended up with one of the best actors of all time? But in that part, it's just, I don't know, That doesn't feel like a Shider part to me. It's kind of similar to Sorcerer. You know, the great casting what if of Sorcerer is he wanted McQueen and he went with Shider, and I think it's better that he went with Shider,

even though we've been cool with McQueen. Deer Hunter with Shider, I don't know. I think he's too old to be the Deer Hunter. I didn't understand that part. But there is... I think he would have been good, though. I like Shire. There's something about his career

where he is, like, such a great second guy in a lot of movies. And then even in Jaws, like, arguably, as second to the Shark. Because in Deer Hunter, you're playing... You're basically playing off a bunch of these great actors. but, you know. I mean, you're going opposite Waukin

in Waukin's greatest performance. That's tough. That's tough. I mean, the fact that De Niro holds the weight against Wauke and a big part of why the movie works. I feel like Shire goes toe to toe with Hoffman and Olivier and Marathon, man, like, in Hackman. I mean, he's not like, he's not Hackman,

but he's... We're going to do Deer Hunter live. It's going to be a live show. Live Russian roulette. Yeah, M.C.R. Play Russian roulette for 12-70 people at the Wilshire. While doing Bernthal. Yeah. Yeah.

John Bernthal and I do Rushmoreland together. Yeah. Live and Denang? The crowd's like, what's this Deerhunter movie they're doing? Is it a comedy? Anyway, Shider agreed. Got 500K. Got points. Was miserable most of the time and it worked out great for him.

And then he had all that jazz the next year and then his career went like that. There's a bit about how he was so dedicated to the idea of getting out of this movie that he faked a nervous breakdown and trashed like the Beverly Walshirt or something like that. He like trashed his room to give it evidence of his mental state and they were like, you're doing, you're Martin Brody. There were some John D. Hancock hires that they got rid of once they changed the rights, right? Ricky Schroeder was supposed to be Sean Brody, and then he got bounced for the other Sean Brody.

And then Dreyfus, they asked him, tried to get him, and he said he wouldn't return unless he got to fuck Mrs. Brody finally in the movie. And they said, you can't do that. That's happening in Frumstructo. Well, for the people listening, we did to Jaws' research in the book, Dreyfus' character has an affair with Mrs. Brody. Remember? Right.

I forgot about that. Yeah. They decided not to put that in the movie. Probably a good idea. So Dreyfus instead made the big fix a film no one's ever seen. Dreyfus made some mistakes. Yeah. Because he turned down all that jazz.

We did this when we did the Dick Dreyfus, whatever we did. We did close encounters. Yeah, we did all the things that he didn't do, and there was a few of them. Best that guy word. Keith Gordon not eligible, and Donna Wilkes is not eligible. I got Joe Miskolo as Lynn Peterson. He was on Days of Our Lives for 34 years. I can't argue with that.

34 years. So mine was Jeffrey Kramer, who then parlayed. He was the sidekick of Chief Bertie. Mm-hmm. And went on to do Halloween. too, ironically. Graduate of Ithaca college, which is where I went to school.

Jeffrey Kramer? Yeah, he's one of the police people in Halloween, too. He's very upset about that they can't catch Myers. Dion Waders Award? Keith Gordon is Doug Federman, or perhaps a first in the history of Dion Waders, the unseen character Grace Kinney, the one who's

teasing the old guy's oldest teenage boy through the window and they're having like the meeting at the beginning of all the people are coming to the police stationer like, hey, Brody, Brody, and he's just like, she's teasing, she's teasing my son. It's probably Keith Gordon. Yeah. Does he dial it up?

No, but I'm just, he's the only kid that stands out of all those kids are. He gets to your Captain Blithe moment. He does. Yeah. I guess it is Keith Gordon. Craig, you have a flex category. I'm going to go with the I used to fuck guys like you in prison award for the craziest quote. This movie's pretty PG.

Yeah. And then there's that one scene when Jackie shows up. on the dock and Larry Von Jr. looks at her and he's like, eh, tits like a sparrow. That was crazy. Yeah, that was a really mean. That was the Hancock cut. Yeah, that was weird.

Do sparrows have tits? Never heard. I think it's meant. I think it's supposed to just be fliled like a bird. Never heard that phrase going to holster it. Yeah. And Jackie was like, one day I'll be angel

and I'll be on the streets of Los Angeles. When you say holster, you were going to break it out on Ring or Fantasy. Yeah, you know? Jalen ran. Tips like a sparrow. Half Senter Research. We covered a lot of this stuff.

They filmed the Hogs Breasteloon and CR mentioned. It's on Ascaloosa Island. They filmed a lot of Navarre Beach. I don't even know where that is. Is that like in the Keys? I think it's on... I think it's on the Gulf Side.

I don't know. But it's in Florida somewhere. The kid who played Sean said they were filming scenes with all the kind of things and actual hammerhead started circling them at one point and they were all scared and then in the birdie's front porch they had a flower planner painted

bright yellow and it was one of the barrels from the first jaws. They just kind of snuck that in. That's so cool because when he comes home after getting fired he stares at the barrel and I was like what's up with that? Then they had that cable junction where the end of the movie is it was a set they built and at some point

something got fucked up and it just started floating away and they almost lost I read that it's really set. It was really slippery and they kept falling off yeah because the rocks are fiberglass yeah and then uh I mean the movies that came out after

Jaws 1 Orca Piranha Tenacals Killerfish Barracuda Tentorara killer shark Blood Beach Piranha 2 The Last Shark up from the depths

Humanities from the Deep The Island of the Fishman and Devil Fish are all movies that came out Fucking Blood Beach Blood Beach They just went for it And then there's some Jaws too like there's a tops trading card set

is there? Yeah of Jaws too that I don't think it's going like hotcakes Let's do an unboxing video right now I don't think it's

We probably That would be fun actually That'd be great You get those boxes for like 20 bucks What's in Is it just like Jaws? Like who's on the cards

It would be they They would have like The scenes from the movie Like Eddie's in danger It's cousin Jackie Yeah Ellen Brody Your Fave

And then They were gonna use the sharks from the original film, but they had rusted and rotted away in Universal Studios. It's weird that it took four years and they had like, basically they made no technological

like advances in sharp technology and fake shark technology. I do like... It is a better shark. The burned shark. But it sounds like it broke as much. Yeah. Yeah.

Apex Mountain Shatter, no. Sequels no. Lorraine Gary. Sounds like Jaws 4. Yeah, that's her centerpiece. That's her, that's her highlight. Donna will. Definitely angel.

Definitely. High school student by day, hooker by night. Serial killer victim by, yeah. Where would you say the word hooker sits in your all-time word rankings? Top 20? Top 50? It's like those old ABC promos. Somebody's killing hookers. Yeah.

And Dan Tana's got to find out who. Coming up tonight on Vegas. After your local news. To catch a killer, you've got to become a killer. tonight at Charlie's Angels. You're doing Ernie Anderson. I know. That's what he would do.

Apex Mountain. Every kid except Keith Gordon, probably is there Apex Mountain being in this movie? Yes. Water skiing murders, I'm going to say yes. I'm going to make the case for water skiing because this is right around Fonzie

jumping the shark on Happy Days. This is like Apex Water skiing and pop culture. No. Because this movie or because you just don't Because I wear contacts. It sounds miserable. Okay. Have you done it?

No. Have you ever done it nude? Sharks, no. Murray Hamilton, definitely not. Terrible making of documentaries about a movie. Fun. It's a good one.

I enjoyed this one. Yeah. It's one of the worst making... Why is it 40 minutes? This is Jaws 2? I'll watch every one of these forever. Yeah. Two old-ass producers.

Have you ever seen it? the Marathon Man one that we were talking about where it's just Robert Evans direct to camera standing with his foot up on a chair. I love it. I love it. It's like 30 years from now. If you were just like dictating to someone what a genius you were

and every decision you made at the ringer like that's what all this is. Everybody wants a Grantland oral history. You should do it but straight to camera. No one of the talks. Just you. The one of the producers it's just so funny. They were asking him about John D. Hancock or he's trying to explain

I left and he's like, did a great job. It just wasn't really. And he like clearly just fucking shanked the guy and fired him. He torpedoed his whole career. Yeah.

He's like, wasn't anything John was doing. Yeah. It wasn't? I thought it was really terrible. Oh, this will be good. We didn't get to do this

for Jaws 1. Cruz or Hanks? I got this. Young Cruz is Michael. Like losing it? Cruz. Taps. Losing it Cruz.

Kind of looks like him too. I do believe that's accurate. I thought this category is about the star. Yeah, it's got to... It's who's Shider. No, right? Is it? Yeah.

Who's the main character? I mean, you did an end around. I would say Hanks's Brody, but Cruz's any other character except for the mayor, including Len. Can we talk this out? Yeah. Hanks would be the typical Chief Brody. I think I would rather see Cruz's Chief Brody. especially like him in the shark tower.

Drunk Cruz too. He would get drunk cruise. What does he, what does Brody say when he's trying to draw Jaws in to the electric cable? What's his like final? Where he's like, come on, you son of a bitch.

Yeah, I forget what his one is. Well, because the first one is smile, you son of a bitch. Yeah. It's a variation on that. Bite down, you little bitch. Yeah, cruise hitting with the paddle, hitting the electric cable.

We would get one really good cruise running on the beach. shot, you know, like maybe he had to get from the shark tower to like, you know, I think this is the answer. I think it's Hank's for Jaws 1. I think Jaws 2 needs Cruz. I think we need the unintentional comedy. I think there's an extra scene where he's like playing billiards and just like wiping the floor with his deputy.

Cruz's legendarily bad at playing drunk, though. And that's kind of a feature of Martin Roe. But that would make Jaws 2 more fun. Yeah. He's like, oh, cheap Brody's fucked up. He comes and he's like, the mayor is delectically stupid. Scorsese or Spielberg, obviously Spielberg. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

I like, I mean, young Philip Seymour Hoffman could have been a teen. So I had as one of the kids, like the Senate of a Woman era of Philip Seymour Hoffman. Deputy Hendrix? Maybe. Like doing like his all along came polly kind of craziness. Mikey. That's the peepin. As Freddy.

There's some peeping going on in this movie. For sure. Pickinits. I know we talked about the water scheme boat, blow up. up and how ridiculous that whole thing was. But I just want to say again, how ridiculous that whole thing was. I almost feel like we should go,

we should do like a separate, like let's break down this scene a little bit. Yeah. And it's really only like 30 seconds of her after the skier has gotten killed where she's just like, God, all right, well, option A is I could

dive out and just swim for it. The shore is there. Option B is I could just stay put and hope the shark goes away. Or C, I could cover myself in gasoline, and then it opens up a bunch of different things you can do. You know, maybe he doesn't like gasoline. Isn't the move to just be still in the boat?

Well, the character does it later in the movie. You know, that's how Tina survives. The move is definitely not to pour gasoline under yourself. It's one of the best things I've ever seen in the movie. Not the flare gun! It's like the only flammable thing. No, it's honestly like what would happen. a naked gun hot shots version of this movie

would be with that scene. It's also great how the old woman's like, ah, shit, I gotta call the cops. It's a great explosion, too. The boat explosion is awesome. Oh, they used to really blow shit out back then. I only have one other pick-a-knit. So they finally saved Sean.

Not when Marge dies, like before. And the friend, like Mike's friend, he's like, we got you buddy. And he keeps kissing him on the cheek, and it's just weird because they're not related. It's like, what are you doing? Andy is a little familiar with Sean. Yeah.

What was that? Hey, Andy. How's the peeping? It's a little creepy. Yeah. If somebody kissed my son at that eight-year-old son. Don't you kiss my son? On the cheek like that over and over again, I'd be like, dude.

You go full Sean Penn, Mr. Griffith? Is that my son in your arms? What? Any more picking nints or now? We covered a lot of them. Sequel prequel prestige TV all podcast or untouchable. I mean, obviously, prequel is the answer. Yeah.

I think we all would have wanted to sit in U.S. I think I would actually throw a new category of anthology. I always thought that, so they said that they went to Howard Sackler to write this movie because he worked on the first script. Uncredited. Uncredited and was responsible for the Indianapolis speech. But I always thought that was John Millius who wrote the Indianapolis speech. So I don't really understand. Am I wrong about that?

I mean, I thought we said that too. I mean, this is also just like you're just reading the reporting about this stuff. I'm not sure, but I thought Gottlieb was the one who was like, I can whip up a screenplay about the USS and Indianapolis, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way, they should have made that movie.

I can't believe they're not, I can't believe they're just... It's surprising it's not happening now. That Apple's not like, here's $500 million to make that movie. I agree. They probably are making it with like Javier Bardem and Emma Stone. That sounds awesome.

Why? But neither of them would be U.S. Naval officers. Apple doesn't care. They need two people for the photo. Because it's a woke, Jaws prequel. They've seen famous people in their photos. The first Spaniard commanding of the United States aircraft. We'll work around that later.

We'll CGI it. Did I ever tell you guys the story about the Portuguese man of war? You know what that is? It's a giant jellyfish. My uncle's telling me this story. He served in Korea. He's talking about how there was where he served in the area near the Philippines where he was serving.

There were these giant jellyfish. and you would have to like try to never go in the water near them because they could kill you because they were so powerful. And I always thought it would be an amazing aspect of this version of the story where you'd be like you'd be beset on all sides by sharks and giant jellyfish.

And like there would be like a lot of kill opportunities in this world. Instead of just like some kids on a dingy stuck in the middle of Amity Island where like, that's kind of. So you think there's a jellyfish movie in efficiency? right now.

I think, yeah, they look cool. We're not taking enough chance. They have no soul. There's the big thing. Well,

I remember when they made Anaconda and I'm like, why are they doing this? This sounds stupid. I've seen it 10 times. There's going to be a new one on Christmas. Paul Rudd and Jack Black.

They're remaking Anaconda. It's on the rewatchables list. You know, there is a secret sequel connective tissue thing here because isn't the Indianapolis the boat that drops the bomb off for the airfield?

force in World War II, right? Weren't they bringing the bomb to Japan? That sounds right. So like Oppenheimer could have ended. Pan right. That's great. The USS Indianapolis is leaving that. Chris Nolan.

Chris Nolan presents Jaws 5, the prequel. That's a really good idea. Let's get him on the phone. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Dan, Dan, Trey, Adores, Doris, Sam, Jackson, Nell, Byron, Mayo, and Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling, Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, long legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm?

I really was I was really just thinking mostly because of his pre you know his his priors with doing a goddamn shark ate me well that's Dave Chappelle but Sam Jackson just being like Mayor Larry got reelected like the one guy who's just commenting on actual civic politics yeah that is good how the fuck did that guy get reelected do we need to bump any of these people from the list? We haven't done Harling Maze. And Barney Cousins, do they need to go? Need to add some new ones for the summer.

Yeah, we'll mix it up. Maybe we add Jaws 2. Lady. Jaws too late. But with Jaws 2 Lady, have just covered guests. Do you think Doris Burke doing just the last lines of dialogue that Brody has? Oh, yeah. Where he's like, he's like, all right, you big.

bastard. Come on. I've got something for you now. That's it. Atta boy. Right here. Mr. Jaws. Open wide and say, ah. We see you, Mr. Jaws. And Mike, Mr. Jaws is back. And he's hungrier than ever. Bonjour, Monsieur Jaws. Ah, D.B. At a boy, Mr. Jaws. Just one Oscar who gets it. just give this to John Williams and move on

because he has 130 of them sorry never mind I was just going to be like what if Shaq was like Jaws 2 couldn't hang in my generation these new shocks

aren't physical the way the ocean was so much stronger back then we never took days off back when Jaws was it doesn't make sense it was so much harder

to get those swimmers back then probably an answer to a question they should do inside the NBA but for movies immediately when the movie ends you cut to to Chuck and Kenny and they break down Chuck's like I didn't watch it

Jack's just like it was so much harder to make movies but I Kenny's run into like do a diagram of the woman lighting yourself on fire that would be amazing if that's always their

It's always the last episode. That's just what the show became. Inside the NBA, cross with pop culture. We couldn't get clips for the NBA, but we do have the Warner's movie library. Oh, I would watch that. Yeah, they could do Angel.

Wow, I don't know if I wanted Kenny around that one. Probably next book questions. Back in my day, you could be a hooker up by night. And you can finish your schoolwork the next day. These girls. You can multitask. None of these girls multitask anymore. Really good episode of this show.

All right. Probably needs some of questions. I mean, who was funding, I guess it was Len, right? Funding Mayor Vaughn's campaign? Like, is that how we won? Yeah, that's like just Len being like, you worked for me. He bought the election? I had, what did the final three of the Miss Amity contest look like?

You know Tina took it? Who was the runner up? Yeah. Did she hang out in the group or was it an outsider? Yeah. Where was that? Or was Tina kind of like a mafia so it was just like no one else is running for this? Were the town folk there?

Like can you imagine living in town? Like what are you doing tonight? It's a Miss Amity contest. I can imagine. Good to watch 17 year old girls walking around trying to become Miss Amity. Hey, I'm going to go to Miss Amity. Whatever you do, don't kiss my son. I'll know.

Miss Amity contest. That punch. It's a really good. Good point. This is, you know, this trope is... They don't have these in real life. There's no misamony in real life. Isn't this prom queen?

But this trope is repeated in, I know what you did last summer. Because Sarah Michelle Geller's character wins at the beginning of that, which is an homage, I think, to this scene. We haven't done, I know what you did, right? No. Martin C. Brody's 1975 Man of the Year award? As you see it, they should have. Yeah. Was that...

Who finished second? Did they go to the award ceremony? Were they just like, I have no chance this year? Brody, like, killed the shark. I mean, after Jaws when, Martin Brody would be Sully. He would just be like, that's what I was saying earlier. All he got was this little shitty plaque. But there's no...

He beat Larry Vaughn Jr. as the man of the year. Here's my... Okay, this is kind of a hot take. Yep. There's no proof of what Brody did. Okay. Oh, he comes back and he's like, yeah, I killed it. But everybody died, but I killed the shark.

No iPhones, no cameras. No photographs. Hooper's like, yeah. It was incredible. Yeah, but these two fucking crackpots who were out on the big ocean going see crazy. Yeah, but the shark goes away

for three years. The second he gets back. So sharks leave. Sharks swim away. It's very, that's great timing. No, I think the point is how crazy the murder of the shark is. He's the only witness of it.

Right. He shoots a... He comes back, and then it came back. Yeah, it's a tall tail. He had this thing in his mouth, and I aimed it, and I nailed it. And they were like, Cool, murder, bitch.

Yeah. Yeah. Is it possible? Is Jaws just, is the entire Jaws series just the Martin Brody fever dream? It's like American Psycho? Yeah.

Yeah. Or maybe it's Ellen thinking about what she wishes. Yes. Yes. On a sleepless night in Amity. Yeah. Ellen Brody imagines the husband

she wishes she had. It's like John Updike. That's right. Do you think American Psycho happen? In real life? No, in the movie. Is it a fantasy? I do think it's a fantasy.

The chainsaw gives it away When he whips the chainsaw Like 12 stories down And it works Kills her And then we don't know How you're cleaning it up Stepping on the American Psycho

Rwatchables out Should we do American Psycho? Yes Definitely Yes Really? Yeah Oh man

That's a rewatchable? It's like a beloved classic I don't know if it's a rewatchable But it's beloved Do you think inception happens I might have watched it this week Like how much of inception do you think? I wish it didn't

A-oh Um Yes I think some of it happens And some of it doesn't Any other in answerables? No, how is Larry still mayor? What piece of memorabilia

Would you want or not want from this movie? For Sean, it's clear that the gasoline can Yeah, I would display it prominently. I would want the Martin C. Brody 1975 Man of the Year in Amityville Amity Trophy. That's good. Not the barrel? No, I'd want the trophy.

I would do the barrel, the planter barrel. Coach Finstock will wear a best life lesson. Maybe believe the guy who was a prophetic hero three years before that something might be going on again. Maybe trust him for a split second. Now that 10 teenagers watched him murder another shark, his second shark murder, he's confirmed. It's a shit. I got to watch the revenge again and find out if there was ever any legacy repair going on for him. She should be on the cover of Time magazine. Yeah. This would be like after OKC won the title, Presti made a deal and the fans were like, I don't know.

I don't know about this pressing. Best double feature choices. Probably Jaws. I'm gonna go Jaws Revenge. I'll go Jaws Revenge. I'd go Jaws 1 and then Jaws 2. I think Jaws 2 makes Jaws 2 look a little bit better. This made me, because there's been a lot of good shark movies.

And I was thinking about this because, you know, Jurassic Park's coming out this week, and there's, like, no good dinosaur movies. But why are these shark movies, like, always work? Because you can kind of hide it a little. bit. Like a lot of it is tension, you know. I think people have like six basic fears, and this is one of them to be in the water, being unable to fight off something that's in the water. This is an unanswerable question.

You're living in Amity after Jaws. Would you still live there? Or how long before you get in the water again? That's how Jaws 2 should have started. It should have been like, this is the first day everyone's kind of decided to get back in the water. The first summer, we're back. Yeah. Yeah. Probably pretty soon, I would guess. For you? Not for me personally, but I feel like people are like, eh. It's not going to happen to me.

I mean, you're talking about a guy who used to ride a motorcycle with that helmet, like 70 degrees of 70 miles an hour in the mayor parkway. They didn't have a lot of fear. You wrote a motorcycle? Yeah. You had a motorcycle? Yeah. When was that? When I was a kid.

Like a Harley? No, not like a Harley. Like a Honda? Yeah, I had like one of those fast hondas. That's cool. Without a helmet. It was cool until I crashed it. Yeah.

You're like Bob Dylan. What the hell? I didn't have a lot of fear back then. Is this like a known story? I have a ton of fear now. About driving? No, just in general. You get older.

You just fear stuff. This is like your superhero origin story. You're like crashed this motorcycle and you're like, I'll be a sports columnist. What if I took movie quotes and put it against the NBA draft? Someday I'll recap Jaws too. Figure out what the gasoline was doing. We're just going to take you to the hospital. You'll see.

Who won the movie? Roy Shider. Roy Shider. Yeah. I had Universal. Oh, that's a good answer. Yeah. Not Geno Schwarz.

No, he did not win the movie. John Shark, no. Who do you have? I would have said Geno. He saved this dog baby. You know, this thing was headed for. Didn't lead to anything. Yeah, you know what, though?

I kind of also wish you had some TV gigs. He directed Supergirl in 1984 with Helen Slater. Oh, yeah. Love Helen Slater. Fair is fair. Legend of Billy Gene, brother. One day. One day, we'll do it.

Keith Gordon, a great Keith Gordon performance in the Legend of Billy Gene. You're not invited to that one. Good luck, guys. Good luck with that one. Craig, what did you think of Jaws, too? Sure, you know, in a vacuum? Pretty good. Like, if you didn't, if this movie was the first one to come out,

I think it would be a quality shark slasher movie. You could make the case that if Jaws 1 didn't happen, and this was the first one, that there's actually a more, like a larger Jaws franchise. Oh, that might be what's holding it back. You know what I mean? Is that the original is so special. The spielder quality of it made it so everybody didn't want anymore.

But if Jaws 2 was the first one, maybe there's now 15 Jaws movies and it's like final destination in the water and it's a foundational slashes franchise. F.D. Shark? When are we hit that? That's a great idea. I'm ready for that.

now. How have they not had a shark attack in Final Destination yet? That's what Jaws could have been. What were your after hour's thoughts while we have you? Yeah, I had never seen it. I had barely even heard of that movie,

and I was kind of in awe at how good it was, and just how tight and smart and funny and well-acted. I mean, it's really, really good, and I didn't make a ton of money. I had never really heard of it. Do you think if it had just been Michael Keaton,

it would have been a very famous movie? Oh, it was supposed to be Keaton? No, we were just talking about, like, because Griffin Dunn was a really good actor, but he's not that famous. No, I didn't even, what else is he done? I don't, I haven't listened to the pod yet. American Werewolf in London, yeah.

Yeah, probably, yeah. But did Scorsese specifically want him? Was that? Yeah, he was a producer. He brought it to him. Yeah. Yeah. It just, I think it feels kind of watching it.

I was like, this feels so small and random for who I know Scorsese to be now, which is kind of fun. I mean, it's not really, in my opinion, I don't think it's about a whole lot. It's just like a crazy night in New York. And it's kind of fun to see a prestige director do something like that and just have fun for 90 minutes. And it's not some big grand story of the rise and fall of a Jordan Belford or Henry Hill or something like that. It's just like, yeah, it's Scorsese cooking for 90 minutes in New York in the 80s.

It's fun. We said that on the pod that we just wish directors did that more. Yeah, like blowout. Brian DePaul. Like I just likes to. stuff like that. Sierra, you missed after hours because you were away. I was.

Can I also say... People were upset. The one big thing that stuck out about just like the time people lived in in the after hours era was, man, people were just really comfortable with strangers. Yeah, you just pick up the phone. Every scene is him running up to a new person. And they're like, come on in. Right.

You wouldn't need a phone? Yeah, no problem. Come on up. It's a really good point. Yeah. That's how you still operate, though. Anybody wants to knock on my door. I got actually...

What's your address? Just give it out here. Well, you know what's funny is the other night before we left. Do you know about this TikTok trend where kids pull up and kick your door? Have you heard about that? What? No. You ever heard about this?

No. Well, they did it to my house. No way. Yeah. It was pretty scary. Not scary. What do you mean? What do you mean kicked your door?

They pull up to a stop. They jump out and they like kick on your door really hard and then run back to the car. So it's like a fucked up doorbell ditch. Yeah, but they're like filming it, I guess, or whatever. And they wait for you to come out. completely a nude with a machete, you know. I'm watching John's doing here! He came out with a jug of gasoline.

Do this just happen? Two weeks ago. Yeah. Did you see the kids? They're probably not a big stranger guy anymore now. Did you see the kids drive away? I heard him. So they weren't filming you.

Well, no, they were, I think they filmed the kick, but they drove away before. See, I was shooting at them like chef birdie. Cheap birdie shooting at the bluefish. Give us your after-hour's thoughts really quick. It's one of my favorite Scorsese's, one of the best New York movies ever made, and a great portrait of a crazy night out. Did you ever have an after-hours night?

Some. Not like as magical as that, but I had some late nights, yeah. Cigarette nights? You could say that. Yeah. You want to... I wound up encased in plaster.

What was the weirdest part of New York City you ended up in? That's a good question. You never had like a woke up in Staten Island at 5 a.m. Oh, I mean, I've fallen asleep and woken up at the end of the F train where I'm like, oh shit. I have done that too.

Yeah. That's not... Where does that end? The beach and then it gets really like, oh, Christ now. I get out and get back on the F train. It's going to take all fucking night to get home. Oh, Jesus. But like that... It's like Coney Island, right? 3 a.m. in Coney Island. It's like the end of the Warriors. Yeah.

Or the beginning. If I had gotten off that train. Yeah. That did happen to me too. That's funny you say that. Yeah. Um, Fiorantino? one of the goats that's it yeah I mean you guys did a great job on it you said she was to throw your life away Hall of Fame she is she is in this movie

she's a little intimidating to be completely honest she's a little unattainable not that she's attainable and like last deduction do you think she'd do good things for your life were you to spend time with her at any time really in history yeah I think she probably would have gotten me on the right track earlier in my career you know who knows what I would have

gotten up to by then would have kept Chris away from Pelican I'm still getting over her dating the FBI agent in Pelicano. It's awesome and stuff like that. That's one of the craziest things I've ever heard. It's that and the girl with the gas tank. Those are the two. Those are my two legends.

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