The Rewatchables - ‘Jeremiah Johnson’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Bill’s Dad

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan, plus Bill’s dad, give it all up to become three podcasting mountain men after rewatching Robert Redford in ‘Jeremiah Johnson,’ also starring Will Geer and Allyn Ann McLerie and directed by Sydney Pollack. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Ronak Nair, and Eduardo Ocampo A Mountain of Movies® on Paramount+. Stream now! Chad Powers - New Episodes on Tuesdays on Hulu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The rewatchables is brought to by the Ringer Podcast Network where you can find the watch. Here we are. With CR. Did you solve that crime and task yet? It's not really a crime, Bill. It's a journey of spiritual awakening. my bad. My dad doesn't have a podcast.

This is only the second time he's ever been on the rewatchables. Yeah, but it's his second time on the Ringer podcast network in two days. Right, that is true. You taped yesterday about on the Red Sox game one, which will be,

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without Jeremiah Johnson, which I did not invent the Mountain Man movie, but I think still is in the running for the best one. Redford said it was his favorite of all of his movies. Yeah, do you think that's because of his affection for the landscape that it's set in?

I mean, it's essentially shot in his adopted backyard, right? Right. It's filmed in Utah. He looks great. He gets to grow all this different facial hair. He gets to kill some Native Americans who are coming after him. It's a complicated situation.

It's, you know, he's just a pilgrim trying to make it work and pisses some people off. Dad, ever since I was a kid this movie was on, you would have this on all the time to the point we would make fun of you. Really, again, Jeremiah Johnson? What is

What was it about this movie? Well, it came out in 1972. You were... I was three. Three years old. And I had read an article... I read that it was coming out. And then I read an article about John Liverreting Johnson.

Yeah. About whom the film is loosely based, I guess. And the guy sounded like such a character. And, of course, they exaggerated how many crow he killed. One article said 300 during the 10 years and da-da-da. So I was so excited to see the movie. And I remember going by myself, you were too young to go at that point. Yeah.

And walking out of that, and there are probably five other people in the theater. Because initially it wasn't well received. Yeah. You know, that kind of a movie at that point in time. And I remember walking out of the theater saying, I'm going to see this movie many times during my lifetime. And it was on all the time. Yeah.

It just felt like it was on for, it was another one that was, not even on like T&T, more like whatever your local, what were your local Philly stations? Oh, we had Channel 38 and 56. Yeah, Channel 11 or whatever.

Yeah, it was just on. It was just being on. It would be in a two and a half hour block with commercials. What do you think, Dr. Bill, what draws you back to this movie over and over again? Is it the, I mean,

this is about as close to a national park as you can get without leaving your house. Yeah. You know, it's partly Redford, obviously. It's also partly Redford's love for nature. And, you know, he searched for peace in nature, and then he established Sundance. And, I mean, I'm not surprised it was his favorite movie. It just seemed to ring all the bells for him in terms of his life, how he led his life.

I just like, I love the outdoor scenery. It's incredible. You know, you don't see that in another movie. We'll talk about it later. I love the voiceover. I love the music. The whole package just clicked with me. There's something very old-fashioned

about the way it's made. It feels like a 50s or 60s epic from Hollywood, but it has a 1970s sensibility. Yeah. And I watched it one time all the way through getting ready for this pod. And I was like, yeah, that's about as good as I remember.

It's pretty cool. And we're going to talk about the vengeance turn. It makes late in the film. But then as like the last couple of days, I've been like, you know what? kind of watch. I just want to watch him riding his horse through the mountains a couple of times. Yeah. And I would just throw it on and skip to a vista that I wanted to see and then just let the movie play from there. And it really is quite gorgeous and really relaxing to watch some of, like,

just that absolute gorgeous, gorgeous scenery and terrain that they filmed this in. Yeah, it's going to be a tough, great shot, Gordo category for us. It reminds me, and I should say the movie I'm about to mention reminds me of Jeremiah Johnson. but Castaway, when Castaway started making its run, and it has that hour-long stretch with Hank's on the island and there's no music. And it's just kind of peaceful to have on. You can hear the ocean.

He's by himself. There's not a lot of dialogue. There's drama and intensity, but not really. It's okay. And this movie for long stretches, you're just like hanging out with it. There's a, this is a little bit of a blank spot for me with, and I think for Hollywood as well,

it's not an era that they made ton of movies about. That like 1840s. Late 1840s, after the Mexican War, Mountain Men, real, real first frontiersman kind of thing. Like, you know, I think like Disney did the David Crockett movies.

I think those are kind of like set around this time. Yeah. It's about him going to Texas and stuff. But this is not an era that I know a ton about, but the survivalist mountain man genre

to the extent that there is one. And even just man versus nature is a very, very, very, reliable sub-chagra. Well, Dad, I don't know how many westerns we watched, but it just felt like the 70s were all Cowboys versus Indians'

movies that had been made for 30 straight years, right? And then Clint Clint, who is, I think Clint's your favorite actor of all time, right? Is he number one? Yeah, he's number one. Yeah. So we would watch all of those, but this was this had a distinct, that Mountain Man

kind of movie, this kind of grabbed the corner of it, I think, the best. I agree that that era was not an era I knew very much about. I mean, 1815 to 1840 or 45 before the Civil War, there weren't a lot of movies made about that period of time. Yeah. And certainly not about Mountain Men. And the film does a nice segue eventually from Mountain Men to Settlers.

Yeah. And then you started to see some movie about settlers and, you know. The West was one kind of stuff, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dr. Bill, I wanted to ask you, you know, I was going to save this for the, what's the most 1972 part of this movie. But when you saw this in the 70s in the theater,

did you feel like it was subtly commentating on people coming back from Vietnam being disillusioned? Because a lot of these 70s westerns, like McCabe and Mrs. Miller and this, some of the Clint stuff. Like proxy stuff. Yeah, they're like, it's about people who are disillusioned with what they thought they,

were told about the country or what they thought they knew about being a soldier and now they've come back and they're trying to make sense of their lives. Did you feel like it had some contemporary parallels? I definitely did. I mean, almost throughout most of the movie, he's still wearing his uniform. Yeah. Yeah. The uniform pants that must have eventually smelled pretty bad. They never came off. And he was escaping civilization. He was, you know, somebody asked him a question about, is there a war going on? And he just wanted to get away from it all. I mean, whatever happened in the Mexican war and whatever his part was in it, they didn't talk about. Yeah. You just knew that he had a bad experience and he had to get away. And,

And he left civilization to do that. Well, I mean, that was one of the unanswerable questions, was he a deserter? Yeah. Because he asked at the end, the Mexican War comes up and he asks like, who won? Yeah, who won. Who won? So he got out of there before then. There's a theory on the Internet.

Granted, the Internet is batting a thousand. Is there an R-slash-conspiracy Jeremiah Johnson for? He was a deserter. It was his fault. Did we win the war? I don't even know who won the Mexican. more. Well, I mean, I think it was probably a draw. We won, quote unquote,

but there was a lot of treaties and negotiations. Yeah, so I do feel like it's funny because dances with wolves, which I really like dances with wolves, but it's funny how much it cribs from this movie. Sure. Yeah. Especially like the disillusioned soldier, like

kind of at Wits End and then just on his own. Yeah, and finds a kind of balance in his life when he comes into contact with an indigenous culture and finds like, okay, this is there's there's like a sense of uh there's a sense of symmetry or calmness or spiritual fulfillment here that i wasn't getting in the kind of grind people up spit them out american culture the three of us would have been done immediately because bad eyesight i have we're just done i have i have this

in my we're done yeah there's no contact lens solution in the wilderness but this is a much more picturesque version of it than the revenant yeah that's another one yeah so the mountain man era Jeremiah Johnson, McCabe and Mrs. Miller. A man called horse with Richard Harris. Oh, yeah. Little Big Man with Hoffman. Once Upon a Time in the West with Fonda and Charles Bronson. And then pick, I don't know how many Eastwood movies.

And then you would see, like, Dancer's The Wolves brought it back. The Revenant bought it back. People would go back. Even Last the Mohican, sort of. Yeah, that's like a, that predates all of this stuff. That's still 18th century, right? But it's still a dude outdoors who really knows how to do shit. Yes.

And there's some bad guys in his world, and then he's got to navigate it. Yeah, and usually they come into, they have like a love that then corrupts, a love that gets sacrificed to like the modern incoming world. Dad, it's like the boxing movie and the Mountain Man movie are the two vanity actor projects where they're like, yeah, I'll live in the mountains. I'll get to make a log cabin. I'll grow a beard. Like those are the two, right? You would have been a mountain, if you could have been an actor,

you would have been a Mountain Man guy. I don't see you in the ring. No, I would not have been in the ring. And I was a Boy Scout in the Eagle Scout, remember? Oh, that's true, yeah. I could live in the outdoors. So what is it about the Mountain Man movie? What do you love the piece of it,

the serenity, the fact that our guy has to just rely on his natural wits to make it? Like, what is it? That's part of it, but I thought there was some intriguing characters in the movie. Yeah. That you don't see in many other movies. Each character bringing something different to Jeremiah Johnson's life.

And we'll talk about those characters, but I thought it all meld, it blended well for me from beginning to end. I'm guessing boy wasn't one of the characters. Caleb? I will call you Caleb. He's like, okay, I don't speak. Yeah.

Call whatever you want. Caleb was one of those characters, though. Who knows what Caleb saw? And if any one of us had been in that position, maybe we would have lost our voice to wouldn't have wanted to communicate. Also, you know, a fan duel out there? Like, there's not a lot to talk about, you know?

I mean, Caleb was like me and my dad after Game 7 against the Heat in 2023. Daddy. Dad's like, boy, we must leave. I will call you, Caleb. Tatum is hurt. Sydney Pollock directs this movie. This is seven Pollock Redford movies collaborations that they did. This one puts Pollock on the map, though.

I mean, I know he had done, they don't shoot horses, don't they? But from this moment on, he just rips off. He does the way we were. Are you a Yakuza guy? Yeah, I'm a Yakuza guy. Of course you are. Three Days of the Condor, Bobby Deerfield, Electric Horseman,

absence of balance, Tutsi, and then they win all the Oscars for Out of Africa. Right. He has a run. Of course, leading to his incredible performance in Eyes Wide Shut. One of the great performances of all time. Partnered with his incredible performance

and Michael Clayton as well. He's a really good character actor as well. He's the safest, one of the safest pairs of hands you could put a movie in after 1965, you know, whenever he starts. And he just is expert at getting great performances out of people. He's got a good eye. And he knows how to cut a movie and keep it going. But yeah, he's the kind of director that I do not feel like we have anymore, really. Yeah, somebody that could do Jeremy Johnson

in three days of the condor. Maybe James Mangold is kind of like that. He could do a superhero movie. You can do a Bob Dylan movie. You can do a race car movie and a Western, you know, but it's, it's, they're few and far between now. He also directed the firm, but really good at laying stuff out in a peaceful, awesome way, but then also suspense and action and chase and

you know, battle on those. I just watched three days of the condo recently to scout it for Redford Bund. You better be. It's just an elite movie. I just watched that also. It's really good. The interesting thing that happens in this movie, because you guys both love westerns, I love

westerns. I love westerns. And we both, the three of us all of revenge movies. Usually, John Wick, a Clint Eastwood movie, Charles Bronson movie, the inciting event that brings on the revenge

happens in the first half hour of the movie. Here it happens in the last half hour of the movie. Right. And it really kind of makes this a very odd

unconventional film to watch because if you know it, if you're watching it for the third, fourth time, you're like, and then the last half hour of this movie

is super dark and intense. But if you're watching, watching it the first time, you're just like, oh, cool, so this guy falls in love. This is great. We've been here for an hour and 40 minutes. Three of them, they're playing the cross. Nothing can go wrong. And then you know, as soon as the cavalry shows up, you're like, oh, God, guys, don't go

through the graveyard. Don't go through the burial ground. And it really makes a turn in the last 30 to 40 minutes. Craig, can you give away any takes without giving away your take? When you watched the first hour and a half, where you were just thinking you were hanging out in the mountains with Robert Redford? Yeah, I was devastated when they killed the wife and kid.

But I do think it's like I wish the movie had an extra half hour because it made that murder hit much harder than what happened at the beginning of John Wick. You really developed the relationship and felt so comfortable. So it was one of the bigger blind sides I can remember in a movie, honestly. Yeah, all right. Save the

rest of your takes. Yeah, it is two different movies. I'm still missing, Swan. Swan. Swan was really, it was all coming together. Yeah. You know, you get given away by your dad because he owes somebody a gift. And it's usually not going to work out well. And she ended up in a piece of life. He shaved his beard for her. He was probably getting used to her cooking. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about the cooking part. Yeah. So the other thing about this movie that we have to mention, it now lives on for a completely different way.

Yeah. It became, I don't even know if you. know this, dad, but on social media, there's a gif where the camera zooms in on Redford, and he's nodding. And it just became this omnipresent social media thing. Like, if you agree with somebody's point, or if you really like a trade or you like some, you would just post the Redford beam. And now there's like two generations of people that only have no idea what this movie. They just know that he has a cool beard and he's just nodding knowingly. Then there's a Nicholson one that's like a cousin of this. Yeah, that's another nodding one.

I think that's from, is that from The Shining or? Yeah. No, it's later. It's almost, it's from, I think it's from, I don't even know what movie. Oh, that's what it is? Yeah. But those are like, Craig, those are the two big nodding memes, right? Yeah.

Nicholson. Not Rushmore of nodding. Yeah. So it's just, the movie completely changed complexion. It's such a random movie to be, to be harvested like that, though. Yeah. Wow. It was based on the crow killer,

the saga of liver-eating Johnson, which sounds like my dad did some research on Liberating Johnson. We may not have to bring that nickname back for a football player. That's like a 1920s baseball player nickname. Liver-eating Johnson. It's like two-finger becoy.

Like some linebacker that keeps getting suspended in the NFL. They just call them liver-eating. Redford got a lot of publicity because two years after the movie came out in 1974, they moved liver-eating Johnson's body different location

and Redford asked to be one of the pallbearers which... No kidding. Yeah, pretty fascinating little tidbit. That's a commitment to the bit. He's really, the guy resonated with him. He's one of his favorite characters.

Who's your favorite guy? Liver eating Johnson. So, apparently, he would cut out the livers of Crow Indians he had killed and eat them. Okay. I don't know if that was an urban legend or not. They decided not to pursue that angle for the movie.

because there's no cities. So it would be more of a rural legend in this case. Decided not, a rural mountain legend. They decided not to pursue that angle for the, for the movie. Anyway, written by John Millius and Edward Ann Holt. Yeah, and a very fun Hollywood development story where Millius is this very iconoclastic sort of man's man surfer, California kid who's coming up with Lake Lucas and Coppola and that group of people.

and his original script is really interesting to read there's a lot more I would say like it's a little bit more fleshed out whereas the movie is just a lot more like travel log kind style

but Milius would write it and then Redford and Pollock would get someone else to rewrite it and then they'd be like ah something's missing let's get Milius again so I think Milius made like a lot of money because they had to keep coming back

and paying him his fee yeah he also wrote Judge Roy Bean and he wrote Apocalypse Now and then has a very We're directing IMDB too. Yes.

Red Dawn, right? Conan the Barbarian. Big Wednesday. Movies that make no connection with one another. So Pollack doesn't get nominated for this, but ends up winning for Out of Africa and has this whole thing. This movie commercially, I didn't think it did that well in the beginning.

And then it got a fan base later. Yeah. It wound up having legs. Yeah, it ended up being the fifth. highest movie of 1972. He made $3.1 million

budget, made $44.7 million. Sadly, no Roger Ebert review. Oh, well, I guess, yeah, 72. He's not thrown yet.

Yeah. I don't know what. What do you think? You think it would have given it three, three out of four? I could see him being like,

this movie's awesome, four stars. I think either three and a half or four. He mentioned it, there's some review he did 20 years later where he mentioned

it seemed like he really liked this movie. Maybe he was talking about it in conjunction with dances or something. Yeah. Okay. You know, Roger's a plot guy.

It's true. Not a ton of plot. Paul and Kale had her usual. I like some stuff. I didn't like a lot of stuff? Well, by Johnson? Yeah. What didn't she like?

Do you remember? I don't know. We were mean to her in the last pot. I wanted to cut her some slack. She was the audience for this movie. She's no longer with us. Well, you know, she might be watching at some point. All right, we'll take a break, and then we'll do most rewatchable scene.

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I think my wife might have to make your dad have a run for it. Has she gone to May? No. No, we only go to Easter. That's four months after Christmas. How late does your wife go? I think we've been to a Super Bowl with the Christmas tree. We get, we push it.

That's not Easter. Yeah. My dad has the record. Most rewatchable scene. Hatchet Jack's letter. Yeah. Slightly racist, but pretty charming. Would you put Hatchet Jack in the Dianner?

waiters for even though he was dead. His letter, being of sound mind and broke legs, do leaveeth my bear rifle to whatever finds it. Lord hope it be a white man. It is a good rifle and

killed the bear that killed me. Anyway, I am dead. Yours truly hatch a jack. What a writer. Anyway, he must have been happy. It would have been happy that Jeremiah got the rifle. Yeah.

50 caliber Hawking. And then that rifle becomes his sort of signature when he meets up with Delke U, right? Right. 30 caliber Hawken seems like, okay, 50 caliber. Well, the 50 Cal, you got to take, that's what you're taking down elk with, you know? Like 30 Cal, I think you can get your rabbits. Yeah. Yeah.

Next one, I like when he makes the deal with the Native Americans, trades them bear coat for two second round picks and some future considerations. some swaps on next year's pelts. He establishes the relationship early. Next one, bald guy, Doug U. Yeah. Shaves his hair because he doesn't want them

to take his hair, Dad. He's already, it's off his head already. Yeah, but he still ended up in the ground and was lucky that Jeremiah came along. Yeah. He kills some guys and grab some scalps for, not even positive what his

reason was like, but it's a fun. He stole my horses. And he's like, I'm going to go back and get him. And Johnson is like, I'm not, here to get involved, I'll just help you get into the camp, and we can quietly do this, and Delgue gets violent. And it's a recurring theme where Johnson doesn't want... Yeah, I just want to set some picks and grab a couple rebounds. They didn't just do his horses. They put him in the ground to die. True.

Those birds were ready to go after his eyeballs. Yeah, that's a tough way to go. I was going to say that. Yeah. Top 10? Yeah. I'm also very first... They're just picking... You die from, like, getting... from being sun at it. burned and just having the crows pick your eyes. He's also going, he's going to lose his mind

because his mustache keeps stitching his nostrils. Right. I thought he had a classic line when he asked Jeremiah, might you have an extra hat? Right. First family meal with the new gang. Boy, woman, and Jeremiah altogether. But I liked how they built the family thing.

Within 20 minutes, I was a full believer. It would have been a fun, like, like YouTube fake commercial for like an 80s sitcom with the Jeremiah family. So that's my, this is the swan montage, I guess it is, is of like after that first night and, you know, it's spring, the snow's melted. That whole montage of like her showing him how to hunt. Yeah. Them building that house. I love a house building montage. Oh yeah. I think that's my most rewatchable sequence. I had that in the next one, the building the house. Yeah. Love watching and then build a log cabin dead.

Two things, something neither you and I could probably pull off if we had all the logs. Oh, we'd have to hire somebody in the wilderness. Well, Home Depot is sponsoring this segment. Yeah, yeah. Is there Home Depot out there in Utah?

I do love watching them build the house. Yeah, the mud in the hay is the insulation to like... It's so realistic when you're watching. You're like, oh, that's how... It's just... It could have gone for five more minutes. I got the wolf attack.

Pretty good wolf attack. Pretty good for early 70s, like for action. The Crow Graveyard. Yeah, reluctantly helping the cavalry and the annoying-ass reverend. Dad, how many times have you watched this movie and not wanting him to go through the graveyard? Like, you feel like this is, it's the 197th time,

but maybe this time he won't go through it. He'll know not to. It's the classic, classic movie. No, no, just don't know. No. Yeah, no. Don't do it. And you know, with the reverend staring at him,

who doesn't care at all about Jeremiah, no. You just don't want him to do it. The lieutenant has that great line where he's like, you have to hunt, like, I have to try and help these people. And it kind of the way it convinces Jeremiah to do it because he's like, these guys are all going to die if I don't walk them through this. Next thing I wrote down was,

Jeremiah fucks up five crows. passes out. Then the next one right after that, Jeremiah 1V1 against multiple crow assassins. Just move those together. I had the, I described this as the NCAA tournament of fighting crow warriors.

And then there's a murder montage. Yeah. culminating in the playing dead, but he's not really dead killing, spirit of their chest. He sees the guy in the eye reflection. All of a sudden this movie becomes John Wick, and it's incredible. Well, that's a,

that scene is a little bit if he, he looks up into the eye of the horse and he sees the reflection of the guy coming at him. Yeah. How dare you question Jeremiah Johnson's methods? A question in the horse. It's straight from liver eater, you know? Yeah.

Come on. I like when he goes to visit Crazy Ladies' house and there's a new family there. And the guy says, some say you're dead on account of this. Some say you never will be on account of this. Yeah.

Which I have some theories on later. And then the actual ending. I want to talk about the ending. Go ahead. Do your thing. You can do it right now. I think it's my favorite rewatchable part of the movie. And anytime I watch the movie, if I fast forward, I fast forward to the end.

Because, I mean, we don't know how long. I mean, in the article about Leverating Johnson, it said 10 years, there's no timeline in terms of how long, Jeremiah was out there killing crows. Yeah. But it certainly was a while. And you wonder if you ever was going to make peace with Chief paints in his shirt red. You got the name, right?

Yeah, he got the shirt right. Yeah. I love the name. And in that final scene, he goes to click the rifle thinking that. Right, that we're on it again. Here we go. We're on it again. And this time I'm on it with the chief.

Best guy wins. And then when he put his arm up, it was great. It was just a great way to end the movie, but for me, it's the most rewatchable scene. Good Redford, too, with the... Really, like, gives the extra...

Yeah. And the classic line. And some folks think he's up there still. You get some guitar in there? Yeah. I mean, he's, Also, at that point, he's got CTE, probably. He's been stabbed with a spear.

He's been knifed in the back. Yeah. He's got multiple infections. I think his hands all fucked up. Yeah, he's got frostbite fingers. Yeah. I mean, like, it's got to end at some point. I love how the last couple of scenes with the tournament of fighting coincides with his legend

growing throughout the region and how it's basically like the Liberty Valance, like, print the myth idea, print the legend. And it's like you can see there's a song about it. They've started to build this monument to him. The crow of started telling stories about how this guy is like roaming the mountains getting his revenge. And it turns

into a folktale almost. It would be funny if he had like the LeBron media machine behind him where it was like, Jeremiah Johnson, unclear if he's coming back. My sources are telling me he's really banged up for that last crow fight. Instagram that says he's going zero dark 23 for the next three months.

Jeremiah Johnson taking it fight to fight. It doesn't know what this is going to end. Jeremiah Johnson, I've actually been watching the crows for about 20 years. I've been learning from the crows. My most rewatchable is when he takes down the first group of crows. Oh, in the camp? Yeah, because it's a classic. Sometimes they'll fuck this up.

Like Taken has a version of this in the kitchen when he's with the Albanians. And he goes, hey, before I go, can you read this for me? And the guy's like, good luck. And then all of a sudden, he shoots like seven guys. But it's in the kitchen. And anytime you see scenes like that, you're always like, yeah, the sixth guy probably could have got his gun out in time. Right. Right.

But these guys, like, you shoot once back in 1840. And it takes you five minutes to reload. Well, he does the double rifle. to start out. I have a breakdown of this coming later, but I think that's my favorite. So you have the actual ending. I have the actual ending. And then you have family meal with a woman and boy? House building montage. You know, the family piece reminded me of outlawed Josie Wales, where suddenly he has a family

that's accompanying him on his journey. Remember, the Indian joins him. The women joins him kind of a similar take. I mean, there's lessons from these movies, and one of many is don't think it's ever going to work out with the loner who's in the middle of nowhere who finds the instant family. Yeah. I'm just going to assume everyone's going to die. Don't go through the graveyard, just ever. Ever.

I think it's another one. Like, just ever. Ever. Just take the extra 20 miles to go all the way around. You've got horses. You're fine. I bet in retrospect, you wish you would listen to Ways. You know, it's just like, you know, it's telling me to go to take this detour to the Intuit Dome.

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What is the most 1972 thing about this movie? This is a tough category this time because it's set in the 1840s. I had disillusioned with war. Oh. Yeah. Do you have one for this dad,

or should I do mine? Yeah, for me, you know, I grew up watching movies like Ben Hur when you went into the big theater and they had the intermission and begin. But they don't do that anymore. So for me, it was the what they called the overture in the beginning. Yeah. And the music, there was no movement. There's just a pretty scene.

The first time I saw it, I'm thinking, what's going on here? You know, there's no action. There's music. There's a scene. And then all of a sudden in the middle of the movie. when you get the intermission, which they call the entre-acte, which you don't see anymore. Yeah.

So for me, that was the most mid-70s kind of scene or kind of a piece of the movie. See, Sierra, this is why we're related. I had those two things. A 150-second overture to start the movie, which honestly is just weird. I kind of enjoy it, but why weren't there credits during the overture? It's because it's basically you get 10 minutes of music getting ready to get to the movie. But I will say that overture really sets the mood. It actually works.

It's just crazy to watch. I wish more movies did that, but I wish they would do it at the expense of like trailers or commercials before a film. Yeah, that makes sense. Like I would be into it if like one battle just had the Johnny Greenwood score for like five minutes before the movie started. Yeah. That would be really cool. but, you know, Kingdom of Heaven had this. I don't try to remember the last one.

Inglorious Bastards, I think the, or not Inglorious Bastards, Hateful Eight had the overture and then the intermission, but it's pretty rare. Intermission for a movie that's less than two hours is aggressive. Yes. Although I do like the enforced, like, you're going to want to go pee because this is about to get really real. Craig? What did you think when you started watching this movie and for two and a half minutes, nothing happened?

It was just a picture. I was like, The Sopranos ending. I was like, is my screenbring? broken. This is some good scrolling time right now on my phone while this is going on. Yeah, it's weird, but I don't know. It kind of fits the movie.

All right, what's age the best? What do you have? I might have the knot of approval, I mean. Yeah, that's a good point. Certainly, like number one with a bullet. I like the crazy John Milliest dialogue. When people do talk in this movie, I feel like it's pretty memorable.

And it's got that really incredible, you know, dialect of this sort of formal English with this frontierzy abrasiveness. Yeah. And also You want it to come back? Maybe Amazon Prime for their

NBA coverage. They just have everybody Talk like in 1840s? What's the other guy's name? Bearclaw. Bearclaw and Delgueu who's sitting next to Dirk. Dirk, I smelled you for three days. Yeah. And then there's just a couple of

really outside of the nodding meme, there's a couple of really good Redford reactions. Especially when Delkew's got him in the TP doing like the parlay. And he's like, man, this is really going on for a long time. And then he winds up with a wife. Yeah. There you go. What do you have, Dad?

Any what's age the best for you? Yeah. I think for me, you and I have talked how we typically don't like movies that have voiceovers. but I really thought the voiceovers in this movie and the music was terrific and both things for me usually don't like but I really like them in this movie

yet another thing that you can tell we're related I'm mostly anti-narrator it's like prove to me we needed a narrator for this but this one actually I think needed a narrator was also like the right kind of voice for a narrative yeah very calming you sounded like he should be no reading.

I have a couple with stage the best. This is the big one for me. I think, and I think we have to discuss whether this is a new category. Okay. Seen to scene, one of the great facial hair performances ever in a movie. Unbelievable. He's got 5 o'clock shadow. He's got

a little more than that. Then at one point he's got a beard where almost looks like it's on his cheeks. It's so high. Completely wild. Then he's shaved. Then it's back. And they said they filmed this forever. Like it's filmed for like six, seven months. And the way they use his facial hair, it really feels that way, where it's like he shaved his wife's dead and wife and boy are dead.

And then when he goes to get the crows, he's got like the right amount of facial hair where it's like, oh, it's been probably a week. Yeah. Yeah. You don't agree with me? No, I was just laughing. You like what I call him boy. I want you to start calling Ben Boy.

Hello boy. I'm going to start doing that. But I was thinking, is that a new category, potentially, most inspired facial hair or facial hair as a character? I think we're applicable. It would definitely work, yeah. The Jeremiah Johnson facial hair has actually become a character? Yeah. Achievement in facial hair.

Yeah. Craig, were you just jealous of the beards? I mean, like... Look at me. Of course. I can't grow a beard to save my life. You're just watching, like, God, what a... I almost feel like this is why Redford took the movie. It's like, oh, I can try out all my different beards.

Short beard, big beard. It changes the shape of his face. I think a lot of people, that meme, people didn't know that was Robert Redford for a while. Because it's kind of a rounded face. He has such a chiseled jaw, but the beard makes it look so much rounder. He wouldn't know it was him.

There is a conspiracy theory that there was some beard extensions. Where are you guys getting these Jeremiah Johnson? He's making this up. He made that up. There's no conspiracy theory. What stage the best? I like that the crows built a statue for Jeremiah and all his kills

like a little memorial place like it was out of respect but they're also still trying to kill him Right It's pretty good Yeah it would be like It would be like the Like the jersey swap

Yeah NFL Like Bill's fans applaud and Lamar At the end of a game you know Or I was thinking Sixers fans Come on Like keeping a Tatum shrine

We were being nice to each other I guess I can't talk with Daytonham I like the In the 1840s 40s where they would just call people by like the most basic. He's called Pilgrim, Woman, Boy. Yeah. There's only like

nine people out there in like a 300 mile radius. You could kind of get away with that. Yeah, you didn't need to know names back then. The song in the beginning I enjoyed. Bearclaw, just hunting grizzlies and collecting the claws, that's his thing. He's like, Sean with Blu-ray. Just like, I got

some more blue claws. Arrow's big a blue one. If we just called him Sean Blu-Bul-ray fantasy. Blu-ray. That would be his Native American name. Also, this guy said, he said, Barclas says to him, you're the same dumb pilgrim that I've been hearing

for 20 days and smelling for three. There's a lot of, like, how much are people being watched in this movie? Like, it's been tracked, which is really kind of fascinating. Because you have to imagine the crow must have seen Jeremiah lead the cavalry through the burial ground.

Yeah. So, yeah, it's, It's getting surveilled out there. Well, I would, you know, when they, when the,

when the, uh, when the, uh, the lieutenant come to his cabin, the first thing they say is, we're being watched. Yeah.

That's right. Yeah. You're in Crow territory. This is Crowland. The other thing, you know, scents are a recurring theme in this movie. You mentioned it earlier with the pants or my dad did.

Yeah. The odors must have. the bench is terrific. I can't even imagine. You must just be nose blind at a certain point, right? Yeah, you must like, it must just, you just can't smell anything because it's so bad, that part of your brain just

must die. And like, there's no refrigeration for really, so you're just dragging meat around. Like, I just think that they were living on the edge of that stuff, yeah. I thought badly for Swan that she didn't have Redford take a little bath before he got into

the sleeping bag. Yeah. Yeah. She probably should have demanded that, but I don't think she had a lot of leverage at that point if I've been given away by her dad. So you have that, but you also, I think like they, I think people smelled so bad, you could actually like haunt other people

or chase down other people from the B.O. That's like the last level of B.O. It's like I've been drilling you for days. Redford said, Redford apparently did most of the action scenes for this movie and he said half the fun of making movies is doing the action scenes anyone can say words I never do the stunts where a pro can pull it off safer or better

but I do like the action where the camera's too close to tell a lie and the movie's insurance men are back at the office making out policies like takes a shot but he would pay off if he did the stunts he would still make sure they got paid that's good there's a couple of the fights they look like he's taking really like tumbles.

Yeah, no question. The one where he gets hit in the head and then he winds up in the creek and like, you know, he basically like wins the fight and passes out. Yeah, I looked like he was like really feeling it. Yeah, no question. The last one is one that I never noticed, which I'm ashamed to admit because this movie's been in my life, my whole life. And I don't ever remember my sage dad ever making this point.

Well, it depends what the point is. You certainly never said this to me or if you did, I forgot. people think on the on the internet's people think this movie is set he goes up the mountain as a journey and then comes back down and when he comes back down he goes goes through all the same things he saw when he went back up oh and i was like i think that might be true he ends pretty much at the same spot that he first saw paint the shirt red right at the creek right and and stream and then where he saw a crazy lady he goes back there and that's where the new family lives and he ascends up and then down.

And it's like, and the ascent down is faster. Yeah. But it's the same this thing. I don't know if you believe that one, Dad, you've seen this movie 197 times. I never even thought about that aspect, but part of it is not knowing where does he go next. Right.

How long did he live? Right. Maybe he goes back and fights the war. That could have been the sequel. Well, one of my low-key favorite parts is when Delguis said. said goodbye for the last time and they're like, where are you going? He's like, where are you going? He's like, the Andes.

Because like this area is too trapped out and is now even with the settlers arriving, like losing its appeal. Like, you know, he's like, I got to go. He's like, the Andes. That's all out there. He's got to grab it. Well, Redford says he's going to Canada. That's right.

Yeah. But never ends up actually can't go because there's too many people trying to kill him. Yeah. Last one's age the best for me is just this movie in the Redford catalog I think is really important. He doesn't really have another movie like this.

Until all was lost. Right, right. Basically, that's another... And if you take this out, I think it's a lot of parts that feel like they're vaguely related to each other. Either he's the super handsome guy

or he's the guy on the run from somebody or this one, I just think, kind of stands apart for him. That's a good one. Dad, we never asked what, is Redford, like, in the all-time rankings for you? Like, is he Mount Rushmore for you? Where is he?

Yeah, he's Mount Rushmore for me. Think of all the, you listed earlier, all the movies he's been in. Yeah. You know, a lot of them with the same director, but we've watched all those movies. And then when they come on again on TV, I watch them again. Well, then the natural is one of your top five or six. Oh, sure. It has to be.

Have you done the natural? I know I wasn't on it. Did it with Mallory. I think they're in COVID. Yeah. I mean, listen, we could always bring it back. Can you, Dr. Bullock, in the early 70s, is there any way to describe how famous this guy was? Like, as he's getting into this run where he's.

The way we were, Condor, Jeremiah Johnson's, the sting. Presidents. Yeah. He's just the, I mean, like, how does it compare to somebody like Cruz now or DiCaprio now and, like, the way we talk about? I mean, like, what was it like? I think he had a better body of work than the people that you just mentioned. I think he was very likable. You know, there were no scandals about him that I recall.

And, you know, he made a significant contribution to the entire acting community when he started Sundance. Yeah. I think his movement towards Sundance, I think he picked, he was very careful with the movies he picked. and it's hard to remember a movie that was not well done in which he received criticism. Right. So I think he might have, for me, he was probably the biggest star from 72 to, well, continuing on for quite a while. Clint moved in there for me as well. His movies were terrific to watch and rewatch.

For me, it's always, do you want to rewatch the movie? Yeah. I wanted to rewatch his movie. Yeah, it was funny because it was him in Eastwood, but then Newman was in there. Bert Reynolds kind of passed through for a few years. And then

that was really it for the mega, and Warren Beatty, but he would only make a movie every couple years. You mentioned something Dr. Bill, it's like his floor is pretty high. Yeah. There's not a lot of clunkers. Yeah, you trust that if he was in something and like, all right, I'll give that a world. And even now, like, because

I think a lot of people have been going back to his film since this passing. It's like, well, even the ones that we don't really talk about are still pretty good, you know? Yeah, I was waiting for one of the streamers to just have some crazy Redford deal where it was like, you know, like, they're too scattered. Seventy five, yeah, the top of the place. Come on, too, B. It goes back to something one of you said earlier. It was his favorite movie. Yeah.

That says an awful lot to me. because the diversity of the movies he made over his career, this was unique in my perspective in terms of the type of movie he made, and it was his favorite. Yeah. All right, we're doing some quickie categories. The Big Cahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food Drink. Swan's Hot Pockets that she makes the first night, and then he tosses them.

Why were they so bad? I think it was probably different seasoning techniques or lack of. I don't know. They had salt that they would use, but. I just was shocked at how terrible he thought it tasted. I mean, it was probably so bland. All he ate was like bear jerky. Yeah.

He probably couldn't even, his body couldn't even handle it. But I love how he like goes over to the horse and he's like, hmm, and he's like, oh, Jesus. Yeah. Great shot, Gordor Award, most cinematic shot. What do you got? I have the shot of Delgues' head

sticking out of the sand as Caleb and Jeremiah come over the ridge there and it also is like one of the turning points of the movie Delgue really, changes the trajectory of Jeremiah's life in a lot of ways. I like that they've come out of like this kind of like

they go, you wind up in like the sandy desert for a few minutes out there. Like it's so many different climates and landscapes. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness word, Best Needle Drops got to be the ending. Yeah. And some folks say.

Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders, a word for best character name. Paints a shirt, red? Yeah, can I make the case for Jeremiah Johnson? What a fucking great name. Like, just pick a sport where that guy would have been the coolest guy, Jeremiah Johnson, like the new wide receiver for the San Francisco 49ers. Can you look on pro football reference really quick and see if there's a Jeremiah Johnson that's come through?

I think Jeremiah and he just needs to come back as a name. Yeah. We have a million Jailens now. He had a really good run on the summer I term pretty Jeremiah. Oh, really? Yeah. So it's coming back. It fit the music.

Yeah. Jeremiah, John. Yeah, good syllables. There was a running back who went to Oregon, who played the NFL for a little bit, Jeremiah Johnson. I need that name back. I also really like Paints his shirt,

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What is it this episode? We usually save this for thrillers and horror movies, but I'm going with when would I have died? I snuck that in for later. I'm glad you're doing this. How long were you going to last? When the snow fell on my fire in the first 10 minutes of the movie, I died. I don't know how to come back from

honestly, I freeze to death. If not that, definitely when I fell in the creek fishing, I would have just frozen to death hypotheria. I don't have a change of clothes. I don't have a towel. There's no, I don't have a foil blanket to wrap around me. And then certainly when I got buried up to my head in the sand by Blackfeet Warriors, that's what I would have died.

I think I would have died in the Mexican War and the movie never would happen. That's a good one though. Yeah, 20 minutes, Max. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to see. I would just put walking to glass. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film.

We mentioned this. Jeremiah's decision to go through the Crow Barrow Ground it's never sat right with me in the five decades that I've been watching this movie. I just don't think he would do it. Yeah. Like he just kind of gets bullied into it

by the Reverend and we got to go through it. It's another 20 miles. I just, I know he's trying to help people out, but I don't know, Dad. I'm just, I just think he would know that this is a bad thing to do, we can't do this. I think you would know. He lived in Crowland

in friendship for so many years. I think you would know, don't do this. Don't do this. Well, it's like Steve Balmer. Like, you have to know. Don't keep giving aspiration the money. Do you think it's the soldier in him still there

that like sort of responds to the lieutenant? Or maybe. I don't know. He was happy, though. I was thinking like it's almost a suicide mission, but no. He was just playing the cross with woman and boy. Such a good line when he's like, we can't do this. Like you did this is sacred ground to them.

And the reverend's like, you can't believe that, can you? And he's like, it doesn't matter what I believe. They believe it. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I just don't buy on that. I think that's the weak link. What stage is the worst?

Oh, what do you have? I have another weak link. when I watched the movie again, he got an axe in the back, he got a spear in the stomach. He almost had his left eye taken out. And that doesn't count the 50 fights that we never saw. Yeah.

He had no medical attention. No. How did he not die? Big time sepsis risk. It's Jeremiah Johnson. He was just a legend. Guy couldn't be brought down. My weakest link is, you know, we get five minutes of an overture and five minutes of credits or a couple of minutes of credits.

I could have done like five minutes in the town before he takes off. Maybe he takes one night in the bed of a lady of the evening. Oh. Maybe goes to a bar, throws a couple back. Here's some stories. You want a whorehouse scene to start out Jeremiah Johnson? I just wanted like in the script, he spends a little bit more time in the town. And so I was just like there's some idea there.

I think that's a really good point because remember when Delcute joins up with him the second time and the Indian comes after him in the nighttime out of the blue? Yeah, it throws the spirit of him. He says, is this how it is one at a time? And then he says to Jeremiah and maybe he should go to the town. And Jeremiah says, I've been in the town. Yeah. Well, we never saw that.

Yeah, because he got to drop the boat and he's like, which way is the mountain? Poker debts. Poker debts. Yeah, he got Jeremiah, I got clean. out. Game of five card. Five card stud. What's age the worst? Giving your daughter away as a repayment for a gift. Probably does it translate to the 2020s.

I feel like there would be some TikTok memes about that. Wasn't giving away. It was a trade. It was a trade. He traded his daughter. I mean like if I traded Zoe because... But for some really good scalps. Yeah, true. Yeah, fair. They didn't cast a Native American For the role of Swan

Yeah They cast somebody named Del Bolton This was her only film She only had one other screen credit A 2002 episode of TV's Monk Really? 30 years later

Just as on Monk Fascinating Yeah I don't know to explain that And then What's age the worst The Bear Claw Jeremiah scenes I'll just say I wouldn't have subscribed

To their podcast That's a very respectful pass from us. New episode for the Ringer Podcast Network. Hey, you know, Bearclaw and Jeremiah, the guys from Jeremiah Johnson, they're pitching a pod. Do you think, they want to talk to people who are successful? What about Delgue and Bearclaw?

Delgue, now I'm interested in Delgue. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of a Kevin Wilde's Nick Wright vibe to it. I think he's on a player podcast. Yeah. Yeah, it's like him, Wembe, and Jeremy Sohan. Just get him go.

the three of them The Ruffalo Hannah Rubin I had a watch age the worst Oh let's hear it It's a little bit of a cheat I know you guys love the music I love the music in this But the idea of having a song

In the beginning of the movie That kind of lays out the plot of the movie And I was thinking about Why they stopped doing this And what would happen if it was just like John Wick was a dog dad But then the Russian mob killed his dog So he dug in the ground

Got his guns out and turned into the Baba Yaga They're going to regret that And then you're like I guess I don't have to watch the movie now Liam Neson would have been Taken would have been a good one too Elisha Cuthbert's going to the concert

Even though a dad doesn't want to Yeah That's a really good doubt She doesn't need to see you too Albanians looking for Bruce Willis was dead the whole time you're going to want to pay special attention to Kevin Spacey in this movie about criminals.

Don't trust his limp. Dad, when did that stop? What's that? When they did a song in the beginning of the movie that explained everything that you're about to see. Probably a good trend to stop. I can't think of another movie after that. Ruffalo, Hannah Rubenek, Partridge,

overacting award. This is another category we had that. Crazy morning lady or just lost her family? She dials it up. Yeah, but I mean, what's the appropriate amount of grief to be exhibiting in that situation? Well, she exhibited it. Yeah. Doug Yu, I think probably is the winner, though, for dialing it up.

He's really going for it. I spent some time with Ruffalo. I did not do they knew to his face, though. You did? I did not. He's like, are you one of the motherfuckers for that rewatchable spot? Next category. the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford

hottest take a word. This was really hard for me. It's not even that hot. I just think I would have taken two or three more Redford Survival movies. That this was an untapped microgenre of his. Between this and all is lost. He was obviously like a big nature guy

and I would have been really... Good athlete? Yeah. Like he does water in all is lost. He does the mountains. Like I would have loved to have had some more outdoors nature stuff. He needed like a Mel Gibson

Ransom type of movie where he's somebody he loves got taken or stolen and he has to go back and something like, I thought he was really good at being athletic. He does some running in this movie. Yeah, he does downhill racer.

We talked about his great running in general. Yeah. He runs some three days of the condor. I just did some flying in Waldo Pepper, but like I would just be into some more like solo adventurer, you know, like give me a mountain climber movie. Oh.

Yeah. Well, this movie was the right, what was he, mid-30s? Yeah. I mean, great shape, mid-30s, the right age to do this kind of outdoor movie. I can't think of a, was there a movie where he played a bad guy? No, he never, ever was a bad guy. I don't think. I think he's, is he bad in the Avengers movies?

I can't, or the Captain American movies? I can't remember. I don't think he's good. Okay. Asking the wrong guy. Yeah. That was wrong crowd. You didn't have a...

I didn't tell you to do a hottest take, right? Hottest take? No. Okay. Well, I have one. So I did a whole deep dive on when he starts fighting the crows, how many people he killed.

And we see 13 kills. And I'll do my take in a second. When he fights the five crows initially, kills two of the shotgun, one with a rifle swing to the head, pulls the guy off the horse, stabs him in the heart, then gets stabbed the back,

shoots the guy who knips him in the back, cuts the throat of the last guy, so that's actually six. And then lets the singing death guy who's singing his death chant, turns out a great way to get out of being murdered. Tell your homies all about me. You just got to remember,

like a 30-second death chant, and people be like, oh, shit, I didn't know you were going to do that. I'm going to let you go now. So he's six there. The next two kills, the guy shows up when he's fishing, which is great.

And that guy gets off his horse, it's like a UFC. He needed entrance music. Being like, welcome to the jungle! It just comes in. And then the guy hiding in the snow, which is my thought.

I love this guy. How committed was the guy hiding in the snow? What if Jeremiah Johnson doesn't come by? Yeah, what if he fell asleep? Guys in the snow, just dressed he has no clothes on. He's just like,

this is a good move. So that's eight. and then has the five-kill montage that includes throws a guy off a mountain pummel's a guy hockey fight style shoots a guy fight someone but we don't see the death and then kills a guy in the water

so it's 13 and then the final kill when he plays dead and sees the guy from through the horse's eyes shoots the guy gets speared that's 14 my hottest take I couldn't let's see yeah 14 yeah well this leads to my hottest take

five six more how about 13 more I could have gone to 28 to 30. I could have kept watching this. Not enough kills. John Wick killed like 100 people. Were you like, John Wick killed too many people in this movie?

I think it's also just that they keep finding creative ways to do it in the mountain landscape. Like the guy just ran out of ways? Maybe. Yeah. Where was the guy jumping out of a tree on top of them? They missed that. They didn't do it.

They missed a guy coming out of the water. You second-guessing quarterback's going through their progressions. How do you not see you? You check down right there. Somebody under the bed, I thought, would have been a good one? I just feel like they left some murders on the table. Yeah.

I like it. All right. Casting what ifs. Dad, the role of Jeremiah was originally intended for Lee Marvin. And then, yeah, that's a no. And then Clint Eastwood directed by Sam Peckinpaw. And that was in motion. And then Sam Peckinpah, they didn't get along.

And Eastwood left. and he did 30 Harry instead. Anybody else you'd rather see in this role or you could imagine in this role? I think McQueen would have been interesting. Yeah. Right? McQueen could have been okay,

not as good as Redford. McQueen could have been very good in the role. He could have been all his physical action stunts and everything. I don't know if Burr Reynolds could have pulled it off. Yeah. I can't see him in the wilderness. The other thing with pulling this off

is you really have to have the beard game. Who would it be another beard actor? But you know, there's another aspect of pulling it off. Redford loved nature. Yeah. And his whole life outside of acting was about nature. Being at peace with nature, leading, and the Utah scenery. I mean, that's where he ended up anyway.

So I'm not sure anybody else could have pulled it off. That's that guy a word. So Unger from Longest Yard is... Charles Tyner. Yeah. The bad guy from Longassar. And then Paul Benedict from the Jeffersons. Yeah.

Those are the two. Just as a passing moment, the family that moves into the crazy lady. Yeah. Her house. The daughter is country music star Tanya Tucker. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. One of the young blonde girls. Yeah. Dion Waiter's Award. Is it Bearclaw or is it Dougue? Doug you. Doug you? Doug you.

I had to explain what Deanne Waiters was to my dad. Yeah, but I don't think he's a big rewatchables list. But he's a big Deon Waiters watcher, isn't he? Yeah, he enjoyed Deion Waders. Eastern Conference basketball for the last 15. Peyton Pritchard is now the new Deanne Waiters. Yeah. No?

The committee's still out on that. Okay. Recasting Couch Director of City. I made a list of Jeremiah Johnson by the decade. Okay. You ready for this, Dad? Yeah. In 1982, I think it's Harrison Ford.

Yes. in 1992, I think it's Daniel DeLewis. Yes. 2002 was easier than I expected because it's definitely Russell Crow. I was waiting for you to say that. Russell Crow, 100% Jeremiah Johnson. I think he would have been awesome. Stuff of legends.

Caruso could have played Del Gu. Yeah, Caruso's Dougu. By the way, is there still time to make that? 2012 Brad Pitt. Or Affleck? Pitt. Brad Pitt for me, yeah. So 20.

In that rule. 2020, I left open. How about Damon in that role, though? I thought about Damon, but I think he loses out to Russell Crow in 2002. And I think he loses out to Pitt in 2012. It's more Western to me, too. And Pitt would have loved the facial hair. Yeah.

He's from Missouri, right? He would have been like, hey, the piece pipe scene with the crows, like, maybe we could use real marijuana for that and make that seem longer. 2002, though, I couldn't come up with. Who is Jeremiah Johnson for this decade? We need Craig's help. Craig, what do you got?

Because it's not like Shalame. No. You know who would do it? Pratt. Because he's like kind of like gotten into this. I don't think he's the same kind of star though. Like Hemsworth, but again, it's too tainted by the Marvel thing. Yeah.

It's almost like all the people. people who were in Marvel ruined. You think Austin Butler could do it? I don't know if he could grow the beard. How tall is he? Six feet? He's decently sized.

Austin Butler? Is he old enough though, though? I don't think he is. He's like mid-20s now. No, no. Austin Butler's like 35, I think. Austin Butler's just 35? I think so.

Damn. Could we zag and do the Michael B. Jordan just Jeremiah is black and it's never explained? That would be good. Sure. Because if we can do that, I'm going backwards. and Denzel in 1992. The Black Jeremiah Johnson History Awards.

He's just never talked about. What about Ryan Gosling? Ryan Gosling. What do you think of that one, Dad? He's become a little too like Santa Barbara now. Oh, if they remove the fillers from his face. That's what I was going to say.

If they cover the facial hair over the fillers, maybe. I don't think we have a 2020. I think Gosling could have done it, though. Maybe. Pre-Barby. Glenn Powell? I can't think of anybody.

Glenn Powell. too happy. What about? I love Glenn Powell, but he's too happy. I was even thinking, like, could tell her do it? I don't know. Jeremiah Johnson needs some damage.

Glenn Powell's too happy. I think the difference is all those men that you just named, they seem like real guys, and now everyone's a little bit too Hollywood. Would you allow a British person to be Jeremiah Johnson? If you wanted to, like, stab me in the soul. Right.

Like Andrew Garfield is Jeremiah Johnson? Just kill me. I'd be so mad. If they remade Jeremiah Johnson with Andrew Garfield, I don't know what I would do, but it wouldn't be great. Craig,

you have a flex category. What do you got? I want to go back to great shot, Gordo. You didn't really touch on the scene. The shot of the bear chasing Jeremiah Johnson into the cabin

is one of the more impressive shots. It's a real bear chasing a real guy. Yeah. And they, it's like one... Chasing Redford. And it's the same thing with the wolf attack

seems like it's like a stunt guy with a wolf. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes when you don't have the capability of special effects, it's even more impressive and it actually looks better. And I was in shock of that long dolly shot, just watching the bear go into the cabin. I thought that was incredible. Now they would just do it on Sora too.

The bear would be supernatural. I'm going to go home and put a British guy in Jeremiah Johnson and send it to Bill Simmons. I'd be so upset The bear was actually chasing Bearclaw Yeah Yeah Yeah

A couple half S internet research things Film did nearly 100 locations across Utah Apparently Sidney Pollock mortgaged his home We don't make guys do this anymore He was just really committed to the To the filming And they were running out of money

And he said Before we stop working with each other I'm going to do this to you I'm going to be like I want to start the Chris Ron show, but I'll put up my house as collateral. I would have mortgage my home. And you're like, it's okay, you don't have to do that.

No, no, no, I want to do it. Just for the story. They said it was so cold that they couldn't really do second takes. And Redford said the crew was pretty miserable. Yeah. But he was very appreciative.

But they were basically like, let's shoot that scene with Bear Cloggin, like it wasn't happening. I saw, there's, when you watch this movie, you're like, don't know how they got the crew out there. I don't know how they start. Like, they must have hauled generators.

It's like the Jaws thing. It's like they just kind of didn't know any better. So Dell, apparently the tribes back then, they considered people crazy. Touched, right? To be untouchable. They were like sacred.

So Del would talk to himself, apparently, because then they would be like, oh, that guy's crazy. We're leaving him alone. And that's when they, when he comes across the woman who's lost her family. He's like, they're not going to bother you anymore because

you're touched. Jeremiah Johnson premiered at Cannes, the film festival. And it was the first Western film to ever be accepted in the festival. And then, oh, Redford said, seven cases of frostbite, four cases, strep throat, two cases of pneumonia, and only three cases of Napoleon Brandy. He said, he said, he said. he said he lived there a year-round

and knew how tough a Utah winner could be but it ended up being great for the film I think they tried to give them a bigger budget but encouraged them to shoot I guess in California or somewhere else and they're like we'll take less money as long as we did. Just enough Jews to make them film in Utah

all right they filmed a little bit in Arizona yeah yeah Apex Mountain Redford no we already decided it was this thing did that last episode right?

mountains in movies. Apex Mountain for mountains. It's pretty good. I mean, Brokeback Mountain had Mountain in the title. True. No, I think you might be right because of the two and a minute

overture. A lot of Brokeback Mountain takes place off the mountain, though. Yeah, true. Thinking about getting back to Brokeback Mountain. That's true. It's always in their minds. The overture of just the wide shot of the mountain for two and a half minutes.

Yeah, would you say Apex Mountain for Mountains, Dad? Yeah. He doesn't even know what Apex Mountain is. I would go with just not. This or the mountain in Alive. Oh. Equally difficult.

Cliffhanger? Oh, Cliffhanger's good one. Slice Stallone? Yeah. I try to think what are their mountains? Well, the Iger sanction. That movie. Iger sanction.

The Everest. How about the edge with Baldwin and Hopkins? True. Sidney Pollock, the answer is no. What is the answer? I think it's probably Tootsie. Okay. Because then that leads to Africa.

Yeah, Tootsie was, he crushed that one. Not him wearing suspenders with no shirt. Well, that's R.A. Pex Mountain for him. You know, Sidney Pollock, the director, who's, I think, a first ballot hall of famer as a director. Sure. Is also an Eyes Wide Shutdad playing a really weird guy in the movie? And you know, it was, it's a movie I avoided. Yeah, it's actually a deviant lawyer, right?

Good idea. It's sexually deviant lawyer, a good way to put it. Apex Mountain for Crow Barrow Grounds. I'm going to say 100%. 100%. So Will Geer, who's in this movie, as... Delhue? Delgue?

Yeah. Or Bearclaw? I think he's as Bearclaw. Bearclaw. That same year, he began his role as grandpa and the Waltons. Oh. Apex Mountain, lock it down. Way to go, Will.

What a year. The Waltons was huge. You know what the Waltons was, Craig? No. Yeah. It was the biggest drama of the 70s. It was set, When was the Walton set?

Dad, do you remember? No, I don't remember. I didn't watch it. Big show with your brothers and sisters, though. Yeah, yeah, they liked it. That and Little House in the Prairie. Yeah. I don't have any other way.

Did we ever see Del Q again in another movie? He did not have much of a credit. Yeah, this is. Yeah, that was, I don't. This did not lead to him getting his own show on NBC. Stefan Gersach and Gyrash, and he was in a hundred things. but a lot of TV. Yeah.

He's probably a lot of things where he... He's in Dave. So shout out to that. He's in Miami Vice Season 5, Episode 16, Victim of Circum of Circumstance. Oh, Bill, you must remember that one. I don't remember that one. I'm bad on Season 5. Yeah, and that's pretty much it.

Next category, Dad, Cruz or Hanks? If you could put Cruz or Hanks in this movie, which one would you pick? Hanks. Hanks. Thanks. I went with Cruz because I think it becomes a comedy. I don't want to comedy. I think I want to see the Cruz version of this more.

Hank's is the obvious choice, but Cruz as Jeremiah Johnson is hilarious. It is pretty funny. But immediately, the Reacher series and Cruz playing Reacher, if you've read the books in the books. I do this is going to be. I can't see Cruz in any of these roles.

This is the most upset. He's ever been. When they cast Tom Cruise's Jack Richard, it was a violation for my dad. Do you like the Amazon series? Of course he does. What are you talking about? Yeah.

I do very much. Yeah. Well, you know what show. There's a show that has checked the most boxes ever for a Dr. Bill show that's coming out in October. What? Boston Blue with Donnie Wall. this is it.

This is, we finally reached Pete. It's just Blue Bloods without Seleck. But in Boston. Yeah. And my dad loved Donnie Wahlberg in the show

and loves Donnie Wahlberg in general. Is Blue Bloods set in New York or Boston? It's Blue Bloods is New York. Okay. This is Blue Bloods in Boston. How did they explain

the Mark Wahlberg being in Blue Bloods even though he's from Boston part? You mean in the original Blue Bloods? Yeah. Well, they never had to explain it. He just was a Boston cop in New York for no reason. I mean, no, he was never a Boston cop in the original Blue Bleds.

He was a New York City cop. So now he's going to Boston in Boston Blue, but he's still playing the same character from Blue Bloods, but now he's going to have an accent? Well, they haven't had the first episode yet, so I can't answer the question. I thought you were going to say with shows that check his boxes, I thought you were going to talk about Landman coming back in November.

You like Landman. Yeah, he liked Landman. Now, Boston Blue is the peak for you. I'll let you know that I haven't seen it yet. It's not out yet. Did you see in Landman's season two, Sam Elliott is playing Billy Bob Thornton's dad? Of course I saw it. Unbelievable.

He's like eight years older than Billy Bob Thornton. The same age. Scorsese or Spielberg for this movie? I had Spielberg, but silence era Scorsese could do the out, you know, he could do the isolation thing, but I have Spielberg. I had Spielberg as well. Dad, you don't have to weigh in on that.

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played in this movie? Dog you. Yeah. I'm saying Bear Claw. I think he could have gone bear claw too. Old enough. All right. All right.

Picking Nets. This is where we pick Nits in the movie. We've already done a couple. When his horse died, why didn't he, is the rule you can't make horse made if that was your horse? Like these people are dying to eat anything, right? Can you not then eat your horse?

Because it was your horse? Is there some sort of role? In the snow that when he wakes up and the horse is dead next to the next to him in the camp? That's like five meals. I assume he still had food from the town at that point. Was he running out of food by then? I don't know, but I would definitely eat Murr. I love Murph, but if I had to eat, I'm eating Murph.

That's a dog. Yeah, but if I'm in the wilderness, if I don't have food. Why is Murph in the wilderness? I'm just saying. This domesticated animal that's lived all of its life in the posh part of LA and it's like now I'm in fucking Utah where it was probably in the swimming pool right now.

Yeah. What do you have for naked? Picky knits. I just think that there ultimately was like a better way of communicating to those guys just how much he is not going to ride for the burial ground. Like you said the Nautist take.

It just drives me crazy. Like you raise your gun. It's almost like they had to draw their guns on him and say we're going through this. He was like, you guys can go. I'm just not doing this. And then he just was like, actually, I changed my mind. I'm going with you. So there's not a lot of nitpicking here other than after seeing what happened to that woman in the beginning of the movie.

I just don't think you leave your kid and your wife. What do you have, Dad? Do you have a big nitpick? Well, I had a nitpick. You know, when he was leaving the group into the burial ground and all of a sudden, he was stationary looking like he knew something had happened because he saw the, he saw Swan's Blue Trinket on the ground. Yeah.

Well, the timing kind of seemed weird because from the crow chief, I get upset when he enters the burial ground, not necessarily when he's leading the group toward the wagon train. So the timing of how did they get that trinket into the burial ground? Right, you got to go. He's still going toward the rescue site. They're going. They immediately kill a woman and boy.

Then they have to bring her trinket all the way back. back. Yeah. Yeah, that is a good point, Dad. It just didn't click. Yeah. It's almost like he's seen like he's seen this movie 230 times. And it also seems like he goes to the wagon train and immediately turns around and starts

heading back. He's like, here it is. You guys got it. Yeah, it's good one. Yeah. My other nitpick, I know the crows, like we established, they're one v-one fighters, right? Mm-hmm. I just feel like if you're coming again and again, somebody's going to figure out how to

beat Jeremiah. There's got to be some move. There needs to be some film study. We got to talk about some of his tendencies. Well, also, what were the limitations on the crows? Like, could they just bow and arrow him from far away? I think it was about taking him down. It has to be man to hand.

Yeah. Not one of them. You get come at a tomahawk, jump out of a tree. Not one time they caught him off guard. He's taking a dump. Oh, he caught him off guard. The guy jumped out of the snow. Yeah.

Got me off guard. What was your take, Craig, watching this? about the fighting like just to the crow the crows like they have Pete Carroll and the Vegas Raiders as their head coach

like you know they had a code and they lived by it and you have to respect that my picking it is that I'm not sure I buy that Jeremiah Johnson would have followed the cavalry

to go save those people like the whole pitch was he was like these are Christian people out there but I feel like Jeremiah Johnson was a man who had given up on religion he didn't like that

that swan was religious. I don't think it's the God part. I think it's the soldier's duty part. And maybe to Bill's point earlier about did he desert, is there something inside of him that's like, I didn't fulfill a mission I was given

and I let maybe let some people down. Like I felt like there was something that he felt like he had to do. Any other nitpicks? No. Sequel, prequel, Prestige TV, all black castor untouchable. This is absolutely untouchable.

Prestige, would you watch a Amazon show dad, a Jeremiah Johnson one season? Oh. This is a one and done. What about Jeremiah Johnson? He moves back to town, opens up a hardware store. The summer I turned pretty with Jeremiah Johnson. He founds Home Depot.

Yeah, that could work. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trao, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo, Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collins, with Daniel Plainview, long legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm, what do you have,

CR? Well, number one, it's obviously, this is yours, it's better with Nell. Because the, one who loses her family basically goes Nell.

So just Nell is, just doing that. I like the idea of Collinsworth being like, oh, Mike, this paints his shirt red guy. He gets his guys ready to play. I mean,

they keep coming in waves. You're going to have to talk these guys with a tomahawk if you don't want them to come after him, Jeremiah. They're running stunts, Mike. Look, hey, it's not every blitz is going to work. Oh, Mike, Jeremiah's just, I just can't believe

how good he is against these crows. Brian Flores disguised this guy. Brian Flores studied the crow way. I'm breaking out a new character for this. Fresh off the Monday night Jet Dolphins game, Dan Orlovsky. I want to see him in the By the way, did Shrager ever reach out about my legend of Billy Gene imitation?

Was that okay with him? I don't know if it was okay with him. He never reached out. It might not have been. I guess we'll find out. I'll ask him. Dan Arlowski. I want you to see how Jeremiah takes down the crows here.

All right, they're playing too high safety. So Jeremiah has to go shotgun right away. Pow, pow! Perfect mechanics right there. Then he uses his feet. Watch him use his leverage right here. He knocks that third guy off the horse. No penalty either. Perfect leverage,

exploits the seam, gets it done. Dan Rolowski. I love it. Just one Oscar who gets at Redford? Yeah. Probably in answerable questions. We already did, was Jeremiah a Mexican war deserter? I have two great ones, but did you have one, Dad?

Probably an answerable question. A little bit. You know, Jeremiah became friendly and then seemed to be friends with the chief. Yeah. I mean, they were trading. They smoked a piece pipe. They let him live in their land.

I'm not, I'll never understand why just leading the party, the way he did through the burial ground, led his, quote, friend to have his wife and son murdered. It just seemed drastic. Big leap. It's the law of the land, though. A little over the top. You know what?

Both parties were wrong. That's why they settled it at the end. It's true. A couple nice gestures. Did you have one? No. I have two good ones. Do you want the amazing one or the good one?

Let's go good, then amazing. Okay. Build up to it. Was Bear Claw gay? That's the good one. That's the good one. Has that whole speech about... He had a squaw, right?

Once... I never could find. no tracks on a woman's heart. I packed me a squaw for 10 years. Meanest bitch that ever bailed for beads. Don't get me wrong. I love the women's. I surely do. Why are you, why are you protesting? I'm just sitting here listening to your dumb story. I swear, a woman's breast is the hardest rock that the Almighty ever made on this earth and I can find no sign on it. That sounds like the 40-year-old virgin right there. Virgin or gay for Bearclaw? It's one or the other. Is Jeremiah dead for the last 20 minutes of this movie.

Is it just a fever dream? Does he get killed when he gets stabbed in the back? No, no, no. Hold on. He's dead. And then everything that happens after is the song. It's just too perfect. Yeah.

He kills all these people. He goes back to the old land. There's a new family in the house. He makes up with the crows. And meanwhile, he's like Top Gun Maverick dead the whole time. I like it. I think that definitely the film making changes at that point when it starts doing like the dissolves into him killing people

and the music playing. And it's almost like, is this really happening or is this the story people are telling? It's the legend of Jeremiah Johnson and really the legend is he tried to fight seven crows at once and died. The supposed fable or the story about John Johnson, John Lever-Reating Johnson, is that after he killed 300 crow or however many, he made peace again with the crows and lived and traded among them. I got to be hard to get over that. Yeah, it'd be hard to get over it.

It'd be hard to sit down at the trading table with that guy. Yeah. You killed my cousin and my nephew. So Bearclaw, virgin or gay? You're going virgin. Just from the description of breasts, yes. Okay. Yeah, it's a lot like that they feel like bags of sand.

You know? He's like, I was dating this one squaw in the Niagara Falls area. You would know her. You never met her. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? Dad, very important question for you. I think the 50 caliber Hawkins. I had that as well.

That's just, I mean, imagine if that was like right there, right now. It's like the gun. I liked his red coat that he wears when it's on the warmer side of things, but you'd have to really de-louse that, get the smell out. My second choice was the beautiful coat that Swan made. The bear coat. That's awesome. Dad was a little sweet on swan.

Jesus. I didn't like her. Coach Finstock will our best life lesson is obviously don't pass through a crowbarrow. Yeah. Just don't. I think that's good. Just don't leave your family alone on the range. There is a good quote, though.

And also if your MRF, don't go on a camping trip. Trip, yeah, we might not have food. I decided that when I depart from this life, I'd like to leave something, at least to be remembered on some man's lodge poll. Good high school year book quote. Double feature choice. What do you have, Dad?

You're watching Jeremiah Johnson and then something else. What's something else? I wanted to watch three movies in a row. Okay. Jeremiah Johnson, outlawed Josie Rueva Wells. Yeah.

And the searchers. Oh, yeah. By the way, he's probably done this. that. I mean, that's in play that that sequence happened. I would probably go with I guess I would go with the Revenant because it's an interesting, like, modern retelling

of the same kind of story. I was thinking last the Mohicans are the Revenant. Yeah. One of those two. But Revenin, I think it's on the list. Sure. It's rewatchable. It's kind of a thing growing on me. Yeah. Who won the movie Robert Redford? For me, definitely.

I'm going to say, You think Redford's not going to win? I think I voted Newman for the sting. But do you think Redford's not going to win every movie in Redford month? We'll find out. Still some Redford months left. All right, this is the part of the podcast when Craig, the producer, tells us what he thinks of the movie.

What did you think, Craig? Fascinating experiment. This movie is, as I was watching it, I was like, this is the most alien to anything that is going on today in Hollywood. It is fascinating that, like, this is the furthest thing. thing from what would be commercially successful now. Yeah. You know, look, is it an exercise and attention span a little bit?

Yeah. It's one of the most gorgeous movies I've ever seen. I think it is worth it. It is a worthwhile watch just for the visuals, to be honest. And like, I mean this in a complimentary way, but it's almost like a screensaver of a movie. Yeah. Where it's just kind of on and you can tune in and out. And just the landscapes and the cinematography alone is gorgeous.

I also just love that in 1830s. 40s, people were still like, man, I got to unplug. I got to get off the net. Yeah. The fact that he's like, I got to get out in nature. In 1840s, this is too much. The city, the war. I got to unplug.

I also thought this movie was kind of underratedly funny. Redford has some pretty good moments with Swan and with the family, with the kid. It's a funny film when you're really focusing on that. So you, so a thumbs up. It kept your attention. Yeah. I think it would be the hardest sell. You second somebody now.

with it during this though. There were moments where you have to really, I mean, I try, right? I'm like, all right, I want to focus and watch this. But I think this would be the hardest sell to, you know, somebody in their 20s or 30s now, which I don't think is saying anything crazy. Yeah. It's hurt my dad's feelings. Did your kid's ever seen this?

God, no. Yeah. Like, don't you think this would be a really tough movie to tell Ben to sit down for two hours and pay attention to it? Well, that's every movie, but yeah, especially this one. He also would have gotten up at the intermission. Like, all right, that was cool. Thanks, Dad. I'm glad him and woman

A boy made it The intermission also came with like 30 minutes left I found that odd That was very straight Why wasn't it in the middle I do think it's a very Very good time to be like You're not gonna want to get up

For the last 30 minutes of this Yeah Yeah I'm changing my double feature answer I think it's castaway Okay I think I'll go Jeremiah Johnson castaway For solo solo Solo runs

That's like five hours of just Hanging out with the movie All right dad You know I was thinking kind of what he just said. I'm not sure Hollywood would make this move today. No way. No.

They would have the crow feud would be two-thirds of the movie. It would have to, I mean, it was the closest thing would be the Revenant. It was very much an action movie, and they sold the Revenue on like Leo fights a bear. Yeah. Yeah. This is like Robert Redford rides around. This movie's about solitude for the first hour. Yeah.

Yeah, there's no question. The last half hour of the movie would be an actual hour. But I think in 1972 people were like, hell yeah, brother. I got to get out of this fucking city. I got unplug. Yeah. Any last words, Dad? I enjoyed being part of this because obviously it's one of my favorite movies.

But a little bit of food for thought. The Vietnam thing, I hadn't really thought about in years. But I think you're right on target. And that might have led to why some people wanted to watch it. Yeah. We don't have that right now. You know, we have other stuff going on. But I just can't see this film being made today, which is a shame.

And maybe that's why I rewatch it when it comes on. Dr. Bill, what would be you've done Shawshank and Jeremiah Johnson. Is there any other white whale out there that you still want to do for rewatchables? Have you, well, one of my top, have you done Josie Wales? No. No, maybe that would be the next one. That's one of my. That's his other favorite movie.

Yeah. Those are the three your three favorite movies. Josie Wales, Jeremiah Johnson, and Shawshank. Yeah. Probably the natural number four. Yeah, probably. And maybe Hoosier's number five. We have to re-Houge one of these days.

My dad wanted me to be a baseball player. We were the best damn one I ever saw. Best damn hitter I've ever seen. Suit up. Dad, pleasure as always, go Red Sox. C.R. Thanks to having me. Thanks to Craig and Gahow as well.

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