The Rewatchables - ‘Jerry Maguire’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEW YOUTUBE CHANNEL: RINGER MOVIES Ringer Movies, our new YouTube channel, is home to all things video for ‘The Rewatchables’ and ‘The Big Picture.’ Subscribe here! Live from YouTube, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan learn that it's not show friends, it’s show business after rewatching Cameron Crowe’s 1996 classic ‘Jerry Maguire,’ starring Tom Cruise, Cuba Gooding Jr., and Renee Zellweger. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Video Production: Chia Hao Tat, Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Boys with Van Lathen. You can also find our brand new YouTube channel. It's called Ringer Movies. We've already put up a bunch of stuff on there. There's a lot of archives from the rewatchables up there already. and today we did a live episode of Jerry Maguire that is on YouTube. It was, we were all terrified what was going to happen with Van to put him on a live YouTube, but it all worked out.

It worked out great. You're about to listen to it now. Here we go. On December 13th. Is it my imagination or didn't we arrive in a limo? Tom Cruise is sports agent Jerry Maguire. What can I do for you, Rod? What can I do for you?

Show me to money. Congratulations. You're still my agent. Jerry McGuire, rated R. Opens December 13. We're live on YouTube. Sean Fennacy. Sheriff Van Lathen. Chris Ryan.

We're doing Jerry McGuire, which we did way back when before we even had a rewatchable's feed. Yeah. We just started test driving movie podcast, me and CR, on my podcast. We did a Jerry McGuire podcast that had no categories. We're redoing it.

I think it's been how many years now since the movie, almost 28. since it was 95, right? Yeah. Lots to discuss. 96. 96. Sports movie or rom-com, pick one.

Do I have to? Yeah. I would say rom-com. What do you think? I would say rom-com, but I kind of think it's neither. Neither. That's where I have started to gravitate towards, like, the parts about the sports in this movie

are what I, like, love now. I think it's both. I think it's the most both of any sports movies, rom-com we've had. But when we talked about this the last time, I think it's probably slightly more rom-com just because you could have done all this with movies instead of sports, and it's basically

the same movie. Oh, if he's like a film director or something like that? Yeah, or like Cuba Gooding's character is just like an actor or an up-and-coming rapper or something like that. Oh, okay. We just go, it could have been in different worlds with the same kind of bones. Or if Jerry owned a record label. Yeah. He was

trying to get back to the essence of hip-hop. he's like, I'm Mr. Black people. I'm Mr. Black people. You're Jay owned a record label. And Rod was like the one artist that brought him back. You know what I mean? You're spoiling the all black cast concept, I feel. That's true.

But to me, this movie's Bo Jackson. It does both. It's one of the best sports movies the last 30 years. But it's also probably one of the best rom-coms. And it's one of the great date movies of all time. And it hits all of these different lanes in the best ways with our guys. Tom Cruise. Yeah, I'm not...

I like what Van said, though. I feel like it's maybe more of a existential crisis movie than a rom-com or a sports movie. Explain. Well, you know, Cameron Crowe said that he wanted to make a movie about relationships and marriages, that that was the original impetus for the movie.

And he started thinking about the framework for the movie, and he'd never seen a movie set in the world of sports agenting and, like, high-powered sports world like this. So he thought it would be a good fit for it. But what you see is that it's not so much the relationships that he's interested in, it's the guy who feels like a stand-in for him, a kind of creative person who is sucked into a big world of power

who's bending his ethics and then like reaches a point almost at midlife where he's like, why am I doing this? I'm not happy. This isn't what I want to be or what I believe in. I have to change the way I do everything. Not CR. Not CR.

Have you ever had a McGuire moment? If I ever had like a midlife crisis where I was like I'm not potting the right way, fewer pods? I was already when he came back from Norway. I don't know if that was going to happen. Fewer pods less money. Fewer pods.

Don't do two pods in one day. Yeah, I can't do Philly special. It's just diluting it, you know? You know, I actually saw this on a date. I did. This is 97, Paulette Gray. I saw it on the date. Is that the name?

That was her name. Okay. Yeah. I ignored her for the rest. Paulette, if you're watching. Oh, she probably is. Shout out to Paulette. I ignored her for the rest of the night.

I was so, I think, it's a bad day movie. To me, I think... It's too intense. The movie, I was still formulating my views on like, not just, I had all my pseudo political views and my artistic views, but the movie just made me think about people in a way that I hadn't really thought about them before. Like, even athletes in a way that I was like, oh my God, so you could be in the NFL and still be striving to be something and be insecure about all of these things in your life. And I was like, there's not a level success where you get to, and then, oh, my God, it just stops. So I was coming out, and she was like, I remember walking, Segan Lane.

Like, I'm walking out, and she's like, the movie really got to you, didn't. I was like, leave me alone. I'm thinking about the next 20 years of my life. Was there a second date? We ended up being together for a long time. Oh, that's true, man. What happened to you guys? I think this is a belief movie, almost more than a sports movie rom-com,

because ultimately, it's like, Rod Titwell and his family, believe me, Jerry. and it's Dorothy Boyd believing in Jerry. And that's it. And those people see something in him, even though there's not a lot to see because his career's been torpedoed, but they see something, they see a belief,

they see something they don't want to give up on, right? Which is the ultimate Tom Cruise part because this is what he specializes in. This is the cruisiest Tom Cruise movie we've ever had. Yeah, and we're going to get into the Cruz and Hanks piece, but like the way in which he embodies this guy's, frankly at times when you're watching it it's like mania you know what I mean

like it's like by the first I think he's kind of had his epiphany within the first six minutes of the movie and then he stays in this kind of heightened frequency of empathy and sensitivity and vulnerability and just racing around trying to make everything work for the entire film

it's like in a way it is an action scene unto itself as just the movie is Tom Cruise emoting for two hours Yeah, and he has to learn to believe in them as much. He has to learn to believe in Rod. He has to learn to believe in Dorothy. And then he has to learn to believe in himself.

Like, the whole movie is about him falling into what he really is. He's, we don't get to see this whole past with his father. When he sits down and he talks to Ray, the kid, he wants to talk to Ray about his dad. Yeah. He's, like, reaching back for something. He doesn't really know who he is. And so as much as those people have to, like, get into what he's becoming, he has to also ground himself and who they are. It's like really a perfectly emotional film.

Jerry McGuire, Charlie Babbitt, Joel Goodson, Daniel Caffey, Pete Mitchell. That's the Mount Rushmore, but there's only four spots. Who are you bumping? Say them, say the names again? McGuire, Charlie Babbitt, Joel Goodson, Daniel Caffey, Pete Mitchell. Ethan from Mission Impossible's not? I think I think issue with this entire construction. What's wrong with it? Well, it's related to what you're saying about this. I'm saying cruziest cruise parts.

But I don't, okay, this is personal preference. Yeah. I don't care about Pete Mitchell the same way that I care about the vulnerable Tom Cruise characters. Oh. I don't, my favorite cruise, what I think is the real cruise, the real cruise movie persona, is the guy who looks like he has everything and is dying inside. The guy from Magnolia, the guy from eyes wide shut, the guy from risky business, Like, Joe Goodson is like...

Kind of the guy from Minority Report, too. Minority Report, the color of money, the firm. Rock of Ages. Yeah, I'm about to say, you guys never saw Oblivion. Yeah. You guys never saw... Pure Action Hero, I like, and I enjoy. I love Top Gun.

I love the Mission Impossible movies. But his best performances are the ones where you're like, what is wrong with that guy? He should be so happy, and he's not happy. And that's what this movie's about. It's a guy who should be so happy. And for some reason, there's something going on inside him. He can't figure it out.

That's why we love Last Samurai. that's the guy he's got it all it's like Valcreate the guy's missing in that see we get in this movie the cruise checklist includes we get sprinting cruise

yeah hey is there a dark airport yeah yeah we get hard crying cruise and we also get trying not to cry

Tom Cruise we get sloppy drinking drunk Cruz yeah love nothing better than Cruz has definitely never tried alcohol in his life

especially She has not tied one on all day long at an airport lunch. Busting balls overconfident Tom Cruise. Overconfident. I can do anything, Tom, and then Rock Bottom Cruz. Completely overwhelmed Tom Cruise. Like, I don't know. I can't do anything, Tom Cruise.

I surrender all of my good-lookingness and my guile to the world. I like that cruise the best. Can you do the Tom Cruise I'm trying not to cry face? It's squintier. That's more like the Dorothy Boyd. Can you do it, Sean? Can you do it, Sean? I'm not a performer in that way.

Also, these cameras can never pick up the nuance. I know. He does the, I mean, the best one ever is Meg Ryan and Top Gun saying how. Boy, did he go flying with your mouth? He's about to explode with emotion. But he has a good one here at the end when Rod's given the, when he's given the press conference after the big touchdown. Yeah, that's a good point.

And he's like, he's choking down. The Magnolia one was when he's like, he's got both hands together. Just some great ones. This is a great cruise stretch. We've talked about it before. Days of Thunder,

far and away, few good men, the firm interview with the vampire, Mission Impossible. And then Jerry McGuire, and he's the biggest star in the world and gets Stanley Kubrick for the next three years.

You say that like it's a bad thing. It's a good thing and a bad thing because he wasn't making movies for three years. And it was basically like somebody, like Yokic just disappearing from the NBA for three years after winning three MVPs and becoming advanced favorite player. And just be like, guys, how long did we last? We last it. 11 minutes before the glaze. I'm going to go shoot a movie with Stanley Kubrick.

Before we go. It's like, where'd Yokic go? He's just gone. He'll be back in three years. He's in London with his wife filming with Stanley. He really was never the same. Like, no. I like a lot of the movies in the 2000s.

He's still my favorite. but every part that he has taken since that movie, you're like, why is he doing that? What did Stanley do to you? Yeah. Don't you think that he just got sick of being America's sweetheart Tom Cruise? He wanted to be a little edger. He wanted to go a little bit different.

He wanted to step outside of it and do some new shit, and he thought working with that type of Arturo would bring that to him. Definitely. Yeah. I mean, even Vanilla Skies like that. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's an odd, weird, crazy movie. Then he jumped on the couch and his world changed.

was it got super weird there's some good on the sports movie front here some really good supplemental characters yeah that's a cameron crow specialty just like these people that pop in and out who have these really distinct almost famous has this too so to say anything singles has it it's people that 'll just have one scene or two scenes uh cush the idiot qb who's in three scenes total uh his his conniving dad bob sugars in maybe three and three a half scenes. But a super important character. Looms over the whole movie. Kelly Preston is basically in two scenes,

maybe three. Glenn Frye is Arizona's GM, only in a couple. Rod's jealous brother. T.P. Yeah. Airy Spears. Only in a couple. Roy Firestone. But he has a way of just grabbing. Yeah, also looms over the film.

Firestone's playing himself. Maybe I don't know if you guys were They were just like, Roy, you just cooked. You left out Kajon. Carter. He's in, he moves over. Wayne Fons. Yeah. Brent Perry. But they do a good job.

And I do feel like there's a before and after with this movies with sports movies where there is the before movie, that Rocky Blueprint. It starts to shift with Ron Shelton. And then right here it really shifts. Yeah. And I think of what people wanted was a little bit more of an inside look at sports rather than just the underdog David and Goliath story. Is that what you wanted?

Yeah. I mean, like this, Moneyball, these are the kind of movies that I love, which are like to just sort of taking sports as hardball a workplace or is like a framework for any other kind of movie Hardball. It's also not a movie.

It's not really a movie about athletes. You know, it's about the barnacles that attach themselves to athletes, the world behind the world. It's not a movie

about athletes and yet Rod Tidwell, I've made this case, I think, is the best athlete character in the history of sports movies. Have you made that case? He's number one for me.

He's my favorite. Interesting. When he comes in, there had just never been a character quite like this and he's fully developed. he's pieces of different people who were in sports in the mid-90s, but not a not a sticky character version of them,

but like this fully developed person with a family. I just like them. It's actually, oh, go ahead. No, you go ahead. It's actually a risky character if you do it wrong, right? Totally. So if you do the character wrong, it looks like a caricature of the contemporary blackmail athlete.

If you get any of the notes wrong there, it looks like you're trying to say something. about how shallow they are, about how materialistic they are. But Rod has enough levels to where that just doesn't hold water. He is a devoted family man. Even when he's talking about why he wants to get paid, he's not talking about, man, I need a car, I need things. No, he's like, I have five years left. I got five years left.

There's ants in my crib. I don't have security. I bet 32 concussions. Yeah, the whole nine. So if you do the role wrong, you could get think piece in essence and everything. magazine for like months after that. I'm just being for real. No, I'm just trying to imagine like the viral essence or Ebony monthly column that would

take down Tidwell. The blackening of what, you know what I mean? So, but the character, really when you get to it at the end, it's just like a really vulnerable family guy. You love them. Yeah, and I mean, there's been some other great ones. Like, I always thought Apollo Creed was an unbelievable character. The mold of movies went on.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, even in the first one where he's doing a. Muhammad Ali, but he's, he had the charisma and you really bought that this guy was the heavyweight champion in the world. But this is the most developed of anyone we had up to this point. I think it's what Crowe does best. And to some extent, you can see how much you learn from James L. Brooks, who obviously played a part in this movie. All over this movie. Yeah, yeah. But it's finding the universal in the specific. This movie is so specific.

It's about a slot receiver for the Arizona Cardinals. Right. And his agent who's having a nervous breakdown and a single mother who's his assistant slash life partner. And all of the stuff that's happening with the divorced women's group and his mission statement and his relationship to his father and Ray and all this stuff is so specific. But like the more and more specific it gets, the more you're like, I see myself in this. And that's like Crow's gift. It's like Lloyd Dobler is such a specific creation, but somehow became an iconic teenager. Do you know what I mean?

Even though not everybody was Lloyd Dobler growing up, you kind of recognize. recognize something true in it. And that's what he does in this movie that's so amazing. It's also the movie that Cruz saw that made him say, I want to work with that guy, which leads to this two-movie collaboration. There's the little pieces, like his family watching the games, and he points to the TV at one point in it,

and they do that stuff. It's just like there's a lot of little stuff in here that is what happens. The Morrison character is a great example. He wrote the script 20. He did 20 versions of the script, right? And I think each version he does, he's deepening it, deepening it, deepening it. making that a real guy. You know what else?

Man, this is going to sound so minuscule. But Rod gets hurt. We're all holding our breath. Even in movie theater, we're holding our breath. Somehow we know he's going to get up, but still, you never know, right? And his brother goes, see, I told you he was too small for the NFL. That's so real. Yeah.

Yeah. The hate inside of your group. Right. Like, even if you get to somebody, your homeboys in the NBA, it's like, man, before he hit his gross, I used to cook this motherfucker. Like, the whole not. for some reason that right there now that I've got some age on me

that's so accurate that he would have said something like that and then the wife would have jumped on him T.P. was so before his time. He was like Nick Wright. He was like a takesman in the making T.P. Nick right. It just been like Yonkish is over. Well they said the story of the

Cuban getting the part was he was like one of the first people they auditioned and he crushed it. and came in and just was basically became the guy and even took his, took his clothes off to do the scene with Cruz. But then they auditioned a bunch of people after him. And he was so good in the audition. Like, they had Jamie Fox.

And they were like, Jamie Fox would have been a good Rod Tidwell. But none of them could shake the Cuba. And they made this brother take his clothes off in the audition. No, he took him off. He asked. That was the research. It's commitment to a rule.

Nah, dog. No, he's like, can I take my pants off? And they're like, okay. You think he was James? Zell Brooks, who asked him specifically. We passed that. It's been triggered. That's it, man.

I got to come back into it. You just got me on higher learning band. I got to get back to you watching this man. So this comes out 96. He got games 97. Any given Sundays 99. Now we're moving into the 2.0 version of sports movies officially, I think. But Bull Durham starts it.

Probably eight men out forl Durham in the late 80s. But this is like the full realization. 89? But Major League is kind of the old school rocking recipe. Yeah, that's 89. vestige of Hoosiers and kind of, yeah.

But we're off, but really with this movie. Dorothy Boyd, Sean, a Hollywood tradition, the we are discovering this actress in real time part. Not those of us

who were holding tightly to our Empire record stock. Oh, my God, it's right. Oh, yeah. And our Texas Seen saw massacre for stock as well.

Yeah, we were on the train. Is it like Connehy in that one? He is, yeah. Yeah. She was, I mean, it is like, I was just rewatching the Siskel

and Eber. four-minute review of this movie. And their takeaway is like, this movie's pretty good. It's overstuffed. But let me tell you, Renee Zellweger, she's something special. Which, of course, is like, they soft-pedaled, one of the great movies of the 1990s. Yeah. But it was undeniable that they had hit on something with her.

Yeah, I was thinking, like, Julian Pretty Woman, but she had been in Mystic Pizza. She'd been on Miami Vice, but then Pretty Woman is when it blows up, right? Sandra Bulk and Speed. She'd already been in Love Potion, number nine. And some of those. Marissa Tomei, we had a history. with her. And sometimes it just happens. If they had cast somebody

who we had history with, I'm not sure it's the same movie totally. Yeah, they almost did. Sandra Bullock would have been awesome in this movie. But she would have still been Sandra Bullock. She skipped a couple steps when the movie dropped because there were some young what actresses around the time that were

This is the rewatchables. This is not higher. I'm still there. I'm still mad about being naked. Yeah, that were, this was in the throes of Liv Tyler who was in Empire Records with her. Like a lot of the young ones coming up, and she kind of shot past them once the movie went so major.

Who you're rooting for in this movie, Dorothy Boyd or Jerry McGuire? I have to choose. Yeah. Don't think that's the point of the film. Jerry McGuire, I guess. I feel like this is Dorothy Boyd, one of the weird things about this movie that works is it flips it so that you actually want her to be the one that's happy in the end. Right?

When she breaks up with them, it's like, what, 20 minutes to go on the movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's like, I did this. I felt like I was getting a break on a used car. And you're like, God damn. Dorothy, you're just a good person. I really hope this works out either way. You and your strange kid.

I hope this happens for both of you. I was rewatching this movie on Mother's Day weekend with my wife. And she pulled a Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hardcore, where she was like, Dorothy Boyd sucks. This character sucks. everything she says about Jerry is not believable. Why is she so obsessed with this guy who is a loser? Which is kind of a great read of the movie.

I like this. Jerry... This is good. It's kind of a loser. I know. And she's not usually wanting to go for a hot take. She was like, this always pissed me off about this movie. It's like the scene where she's talking to Bonnie Hunt the morning after.

Yeah. And she's like, I just love him. I love him. Like that. She's like, you know, I never thought that way. She's 26. So it's like, I think that there's a little element of like she's lived way too much for her years. She says it.

She says she's the oldest 26-year-old. Yeah. She's also overwhelmed by him. She's looking at in first class and she goes, it's not just a better meal. It's a better life, which is wrong. It's a better everything else, by the way, Dorothy. I had that later. Yeah.

It's like it's not just a better meal. Dorothy, get your money up. Because there's a lot. There's a lot. They just care about you more as a human. But anyway. They do. When you're sitting back in the back of the plane, give a fuck less about you.

Yeah. Here's your cheese plate. Hey, Mr. Lathen, would you like a lot more? Cheese plate. You should be so lucky. Yeah. I have to pay for it. All right, this is way really bad.

But with her, she's just so overwhelmed by everything about him that at the beginning, it is slightly annoying. But once she gets into who he really is and once he's been kind of cut down the size a little bit, then he starts to need her more than she needs him. And that's why you can't say who won. they don't win unless they have each other. Yeah. Julia Libman, our friend who we've worked with forever,

is probably watching this, and it's probably still sobbing about your wife's take about... She might be texting, Eileen, right now. I think Thorndi Boy is one of our favorite characters in any movie. She's great. Maybe that would be the follow-up pod. She's the idealist of the movie, right? It's a movie about a deeply cynical world and deeply cynical people,

and she's the person who you're like, there's a reason to go forward. Like, there's a reason to believe in love, to believe in this mission that Tom has... To believe that you can care about people. Like, yeah. Like, you think Jerry's the anti-Bob sugar, but really Dorothy Boy is the anti-Bomboid's. She's the balance behind him.

Yeah. Like, especially, like, being older now, it's like, if I was like, guess what, honey, I wrote a 25-page memo to Bill about less pods, fewer pots, less money. And we're leaving. Sean was applauding. Show me on the phone with Andy being like, you're the man. I think that she would have some issues with it, you know? Especially if I didn't have the health benefits all lined up. I'm so excited to host the watch when you get fired.

Can't wait. It's been circling him for a while. My question is this, when you fire him, who is the Bob Sugar that you sent in to deliver the fire? It's him. It's shot. It's got to be shocked. Yeah.

I'm here to fire you. You should say something. You should say something. This is happening. It's happening. It's happening. You got to do it. You said it yourself.

Think about me. Jay Moore. never been better. Lip Nikki. I just love that you say it like Aaron Gordon. Jay Lip. One of my favorite kid performances ever. I watched this with my daughter and her boyfriend a month ago

and we decided we were going to do this for live rewatchables. And they were just like in awe of how good the kid. You three decided that? They were just like, where did this kid? What happened to him was Ian Moore stuff? This kid should have been the biggest star in the world. And I was like, nah, that was it for him. It's a plus plus, plus.

It's so good. Every moment he's in the movie is an A plus. Him and Cruz together are also like all-time adult kid acting pair. So apparently they ad-libbed a lot of that. They just like let the cameras roll with Tom Cruise pretending he was drunk. And then Tom Cruise. The fucking zoo is closed is like one of the great things anyone who has ever been to a child. So I'll give you Kramer versus Kramer Kid.

We did Nicky. We did Dakota and Man on Fire. We did Henry Thomas. Henry Thomas and ET. Dakota and equalizer. Henry. McCauley and Home Alone. Haley Joe Osmond's

Sixth Sense. The only great little kid performance of what we haven't done yet. Abigail Bresden, Little Miss Sunshine, because none of you will do that movie with me. I'm the only one that likes it. Don't recall being asked.

And Drew Barrymore in irreconcilable differences, which is a movie that no longer exists. Those rare movies from the 80s that are just gone. Oh, yeah. Like they're just, they're gone.

Like Eddie and the Cruisers. That one's, we catch that on Turner Classic movies. Turner Classic. showed it like twice, now it's gone again. It's just history. I taped it. Wait, I never saw Eddie in the Cruises.

You know what I'm confusing it for? Do you remember the movie about... Cruising? No. Eddie and the cruising would be a great... Eddie and the cruising is a good mashup. Dual sequel? Yeah.

I'm confusing it with this movie, and nobody's going to have seen this movie, about this guy who was like a biker from the 50s, and he was playing chicken, and he died. And then he went to heaven, and he came down as a ghost. to like help his son be cool.

Don't remember that movie. You guys never saw this? No. Gosh. It's tingling something in my mind. It's like heaven can wait, but with bikes? It's the heavenly kid. Oh, I remember the name.

I don't know if I watched it. It's okay. It's the heavenly kids. I'm just glad you're back. You thought that was Eddie in the Cruisers. I've never seen Eddie in the cruises. Never seen it. Any lip-nicky thoughts or should we move fun?

He's not doing the thing that a lot of those actors that you talked about are doing in the movie, though. Like, Haley Joel Osmond is the, center of the six cents. Like, he's just the pixie dust. He's the sprinkling. Every time he comes in, it's just like, be cute, be funny.

So we don't know if Lipniki could withstand like Tibbs minutes. That's right. Yeah. Try pulling to Josh Hart. He's like an Alex Burks. See what happens. You will fall, Lipnicki. What the fuck?

Crow's in a stretch of say anything single is Jerry McGuire almost famous. He's been saying. He's out of his mind right now. He's going nuts. But he's coming off of people saying singles was a failure, even though we love it. So he's, yeah, so his mentality is like, this is my chance. Like, I have to do something that lasts. I don't know.

The singles wasn't a big deal at the time. No. It was popular, but it didn't make it. It became a cult movie. I must immediately, but it didn't do well. And then people who were like into that music were like, didn't quite capture it, you know. Yeah, too late. Too late.

Was in love with the movie from the first frame? Always loved it didn't really. I guess I was too young to be following. He also makes movies that like, it's amazing to be 14 to see his movies. You know, like if you're younger when you see his stuff, it's so, so idealistic. so exciting. And so it seems so genuine. Like he seems like a very, like a lot of filmmakers don't, you know, they're like,

I'm trying to just make a cool movie that is successful. And it's with him, I don't know, there's an authenticity that comes across with his writing that is very, very hard to define. I meant to say this when we're talking about Zellweger. I mean, that famous scene when the Bruce Springsteen song comes in, when Jerry's hugging and they cut and he just stays on her face. That's like the Cameron Crow. He really is good at milking somebody's face expression.

doesn't almost famous over and over again with the little kid what's his name? Patrick Fuget? Yeah, what's his name? William Miller. Yeah. Just sometimes just staring at people.

It does with Kate Hudson. He's just good at lingering on people in the right ways. He's a good lingerer. He's an observationalist. He's like he's the person who's seeing life play out. I remember one of the biggest reactions in the theater to the movie. And obviously people were going crazy,

show me the money and stuff like that, is when he's all fucked up, he comes back, and he tells her, I just broke up with Avery. And he turns away from the camera, and she goes, Right, right. Everybody just, you feel her so much in that moment. You know that that's a gift that she couldn't have even thought to ask for. You know who didn't feel her?

Sean's wife. I swear, this is true. During that scene, I was marveling just like you were. And I was like, I rewounded. And I was like, I mean, you have to watch Zellweger in this scene. This is so great. And she looked at it, and she was like, nah. What?

I don't know. She wasn't feeling the desperation. She wasn't like... I don't know. I don't know what it was. I don't know. She's like, Perk with Jason Tatum.

She's like, nah. I'm not seeing it. Not seeing it off. Renee Zoie Wigger has to step up. Crow went out and run of Billy Wilder movies. Sean, I'm going to give you 30 seconds to talk about Billy Wilder. 30 seconds. 30 seconds on the clock now.

Writer, director, immigrant who came from Europe during war tour and World World War II, who basically redefined the same way that the New Hollywood redefined movies. He redefined movies in the 40s and 50s by having a slightly more cynical, but emotional bent to his rom-com war movie, detective movies. He's a legend and clear

inspiration for Cameron Crowe. Who wanted to cast him in this movie, but he declined as the famed age. Yeah, a lot of the research on this movie is just Cameron Crow and Cruz trying to convince Billy Wilder to be the Dickie Fox character for months and months. It was like a, and he just was like, fuck off, guys.

he was really inspired by the apartment movie that came out in 1960 with Jack Lemon and a very young not crazy yet Dorothy Lloyd Touchdown and who became a Dorothy Boyd thing Crow said quote Jim Brooks handed me this photo of a sports agent

named Gary Wichard with Brian Bosworth a fun picture of these two guys one clearly the business the other the Braun and he said look at this relationship between these guys what do you think about that kind of story in this world meaning like can you dive into this photo. And

the movie eventually became inspired by an agent named Lee Steinberg who had an ex-partner tried to lure away a bunch of his clients. Drew Rosenbaum, who was a big agent back in the 90s. Drew Rosenbaum, sorry. He still is a huge agent. Yeah, but he was on the rise in

90s. He's the Bob Sugar. And then the memo Drew would love to hear that. The memo was based on Jeffrey Katzenberg, 19191, Disney. I was just reading that. Wrote a 28-page memo that kind of backfired.

For him? Yeah. He made it. It worked out. He made out pretty good. I'm saying for Disney. Well, Jerry McGuire made it on us. He got Rod Tidwell, $1.2 million.

For Katzenberg, DreamWorks was his Rod Tidwell? Yeah, pretty much. So those were the Genesis, and it kept going. And it's this first almost famous for me, for Crow. I probably have seen almost famous more times, I love both movies. But I think this one, higher degree of difficulty, only because Almost Famous was so personal and autobiographical.

And this is just, he's starting from scratch and creating everybody in it. And also, like, we all love sports. Such a high bar with a sports movie where I'm just ready to get mad and nitpick and just go nuts. Oh, you did this. Oh, you fucked that up. And you did a good job.

Yeah. Classic, better favorite. Almost Famous is better than this movie. This is my favorite movie that he's made. Actually, my favorite movie they made, actually might be singles. But it almost famous is probably better. Who's better famous, Yokochen and Bede?

Get out of here, man. Both down. Written and directed by Cameron Crow, produced by Jim Brooks, director of photography, my guy. Yonnier Schuinsky. Yeah. A parent in Zoe's class when I was a kid who did a giant photo essay of like our first grade thing,

which I guarantee was the greatest photo essay than he was ever had in like a first or second grade class. Nominated for five Oscars. Cuba Gooding wins. Best Supporting Actor. I sent me the Oscar speech. They fucking played his ass off in 30 seconds. God, I love you.

Hallelujah. Thank you, Father God, for putting me through what you put me through, but I'm here and I'm happy. I just want to... Here we go. Okay, the studio, I love you, and Cameron Crow and Tom Cruise. Unbelievable.

He barely started. There was an argument. about this in Vans 11th grade English class. That he didn't get enough time? Mrs. Smith, wherever she is right now. Shout out to Mrs. Smith. She was Paulette somewhere? She might be.

Mrs. Smith said that he shouldn't have won because the role was just an over-the-top minstrel show. Mrs. Smith was white. I remember going, what? And she was like, yeah. And you see the way he acted when he won? He got up there and he did the whole thing.

That just shows you that that's not acting. That's not whatever. And I remember I looked at Mrs. Smith and I went, you're a racist. Is her name actually Mrs. Smith? Her name was actually Mrs. Smith. And she's like, get out, Van. And she gave me the slip. And I was walking to the office.

And I never took it because I was too afraid because she kicked me out of the class. And I stayed around the whole day. And then I found her later on. She was like, why did you call me that in front of the whole class? I was like, because it seemed like you were getting mad at him because he was dancing and because he was portraying a black athlete, it just came across to me as racist. She burst in the tears.

Walked away. Hated me for the rest of my heart. These kinds of stories that really bring us closer to the film. It's facts. That's what happened. That's why I always remember this movie. I call Mrs. Smith a racist to her face. I probably said the wrong thing.

And on YouTube. Well, I mean, I don't know what she was right now. It's a very strange YouTube clip because he wins. He goes up. They cut to, like, Will Smith. They cut to Hallie Berry. They cut to like that they cut to like the three black actors or actually just standing up. And it goes to Cuba and he's like, they're going to play me off.

So I got to say this fast. And within like 25 seconds, they're playing the music. And they eventually drown him out and shut out the mic. And he's just screaming names and people in the movie. But it's considered now to be one of the great Oscar speeches. Because the whole crowd's like standing, telling him keep going. And it's really fun. It's the highlight of his career until he played O.J. Simpson in whatever that,

whatever that weird show, American Horrors. American crime. Cuba has a rough years after this. He did. Yeah. There's a, what's the age is the worst section with Cuba? That Oscars was three hours and 35 minutes.

So one of the six main awards, though, is being given out. Maybe don't play off one of the actors. He beat our guy at Norton in Primal Fair, and he beat William H. Macy and Fargo. I accept. I mean, this is a competitive category. I would probably have gone for Norton. Because he's white.

Well, the bigger travesty is Tom Cruise. our guy did not win. Yeah. Because they gave the Oscar. Did Jeffrey Rush and Shine? This is bullshit. It's fucking terrible. This is bullshit.

It was bad when it happened. It was upsetting when it happened. I think people felt like he was going to win. I understand why he doesn't win. I think people think Tom Cruise is weird. It's understood. Everybody thinks he's not going to win an Oscar. I get it.

Jeffrey Rush is in 40 minutes of Shine. He doesn't appear in the movie until 70 minutes in the movie. When's last Shine conversation you had? I don't think I've ever actually seen Shine. If I texted you guys with like shine rewatchables on Monday, I'd be like fewer pods less money. I think Billy Bob. Billy Bob for Slingblade was another one that this was, as I remember,

a pretty exciting best actor race. Question about that time. Other than Forrest Gump, were they giving, it seems like the academy was in a little bit of a pretentious streak. Oh, yeah. It was old and pretentious. This is when everyone's just getting mad at everything.

Right. So would you, Zellwiger's not nominated. Would you've gone supporting or best for her? Supporting. Right. So then she's going against Juliet Binoche, English Patient won, Joan Allen in the Crucible, Lauren Bacall and the mirror has two faces,

Barbara Hershey portrait of a lady. Like, look at that. And some lady in Secret and Lila. Oh, she'll have nominated. Yeah. But look at those nominees, though. Look at the movies. Old, our old fartsy movies.

Yeah, look at the English patient and all those. Think about how seriously. they're taking themselves. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's why a lot of those stuff written about the Oscars in the 90s

is about that. There's a lot of old white people putting out of these awards. What fuck are we doing? Yeah. Roger Ebert, three stars. Quote, I began to feel that writer director,

Cameron Crow, had bitten off more than he really needed a chew. The screenplay knows enough about sports agents to make that the subject of the whole film, enough about romance, too, but there's so many subplots that Jerry McGuire seems too full.

Less might have been more. Fuck off, Raj. I wonder what Raj is referring to. The fuck, Raj. What's the subplot in Jerry McGuire that he's like, this is too much? Ray? Or Dorothy.

Or the divorce women and stuff? Like... The movie is... insanely dense. Like, it's very dense. It all works, but it's really, really dense. As you know, I love saying movies are too long. I'm not sure what I would cut in this one.

I just don't agree with them. Yeah, I don't. This is like a movie that the first time I saw it. I was like, wow, they nailed it. That's wonderful. Well, he said, still the film is often a delight, especially when Cruz and Zo Wigger together on screen, blah, blah, blah. I just don't think that it was a movie at the time for serious movie critics.

I think the movie in lesser hands, would have veered into melodrama and then schmalti to some I think every single note works but I don't think they went I don't think they watched the movie and thought that they were supposed to find it as some piece of high art

The problem is Raj love story that's his thing this movie has a great story I don't I think the review he writes is a three and a half star review but for some reason to give it three What's he like on TV? Is he more dismissive? Siskel is more positive

and you can see Siskel convincing him in real time. Ebert very rarely said this on the show, but he literally is like, you've made a good point there, Gene, and I'll have to think about that. And I think it's because, like, the tide is moving on this movie. But I think he just missed something about it,

like something essential about it. It's a very insightful movie. That's part of what makes it work so well. When they skipped Tom at this particular point, do you remember feeling like, to your point, that there was just something about Tom, that the academy, like, to your point, I remember thinking he's got to win.

It's like his time. I think there was a feeling that he was too sticky compared to like the other like quote-unquote major actors that they would reward at the last course. And movie stars in their prime very rarely win best actor or best actors. Like Newman, how many times? Newman was up seven times. He didn't win until color money, right?

Seagal's never won. Yeah. Uh-huh. Hey, before we get to rewatch, scene. I'm moving up the Can You Digget a Word for Most Memorable Quote? Because this movie has 10 memorable quotes. Yeah, a lot. Show me the money. Help

me, help you, help you. You had me at hello. I love black people. Cush, slash, Cush, Cush, Cush, Cush, Cush, Cush. I did not shoplift the puty. The human head weights weighs eight pounds. It's not show friends. It's

show business. And what you do have is my word. And it's Stronger than oak. Like 10 really memorable quotes. I also really, I often reference, you are hanging on by a thread and I dig that about you. You know what my favorite one is though?

What? Like when he's trying to play tough with Bob Sugar and he goes, oh, I'm over it. Now I want all my clients and yours too. That's so clean the way that came out to me. I've always loved that. Well, the big ones from this were the show me the money and you had mad hello, which I guess you

could put in what stage the worst. You complete me as well. Well, just like how big those quotes were for years. Show me the money was like a dominant pop culture. Your grandma said that. Yeah. Everyone knew that was now. Until Rashid Wallace came and replaced it with CTC.

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Most rewatchable scene. Jerry gets fired, goes to work to save his client list. This includes Bob Sugar's lunch with Jerry at Cronin's. Yeah. You. Ungrateful. Oceans. You did this to yourself.

You said fewer clients, you put it all down on paper. Jesus Christ. What about me? You know what I went through? No one I was going to have to fire my mentor? Carrying that around in my head for a week? Could you get past yourself for a second? Jesus.

You'll lose. You want it smaller. Oh, I'm over it. Now I want all my clients and yours too. Whatever. Would you give this to Tom Seismore action is the juice? Best total. a toe moment for a non-star.

Sugar. Yeah. This is happening. Yeah. We get Bob versus Jerry in the phone going back and forth. We get the It's Not Show Friends. It's show business.

We get the crying figure skater. And we get the Rod Tidwell call, which is so fucking funny. Show you the money. Oh, no, no. You can do better than that, Jerry. I want you to say it what you wouldn't mean, brother. Hey, I got Bob Sugar on the other line.

I better hear you say it. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. Show you the money. Show you the money. Show me the money. Yeah. Lawler. Show me the money.

Yes it, brother, but you got to yell that shit. Show me the money. I need to feel you, Jerry. Show me the money! Jerry, you better yell. Show me the money! Black people. I love the motherfucker, Jerry.

You my motherfucker! What you're going to do, Jerry! Congratulations, she's still my agent. You, my motherfucker. You, my motherfucker, and crew is just in his office. Watching all the lights going to go away. This is all one scene? Yeah.

It's going to be hard to beat this. I mean, I guess you could say the sugar lunch into this is two scenes. And I love what Cruz does in the scene because at first he's begrudgingly on the phone with Titwell. But he gets more desperate the longer the call goes. Yeah, because the other calls are popping off the phone. He has to keep this guy. No, no, no, no, no. Okay.

Yeah, I love black people. And then he just fucking loses it. It's fucking great. It's so good. I'm going to separate Jerry leaving the office as a separate thing. the you're just going to flip out like it's this is cruise I don't know

maybe in cocktail he cruised it up more than this but other than that I can't think of another cruise full cruise full tilt cruise I mean this it's like if the scene where he's drunk

in a few good men was combined with him at TGA Friday's flipping bottles should we or should we not follow the advice the galactically stupid he does the goldfish group all of a sudden

and Dorothy Boyd decides to come, which I have some thoughts on later, and then they end up at an elevator with, you complete me in sign language. Next one is Jerry finds out Cush is dumping him for sugar, where he answers the phone. Yeah. The Cushlasch song kills me.

This is Cush. I love your son. I love your son. And then we signed an hour ago, you're in the lobby with the black fella. And then Rock Bottom Cruz. We're here, baby. Yeah.

We are taking a taxi back to. the airport. Out of those, which ones are your favorite of those three? I think Cruz is acting in the Kush scene is just brilliant. Just from the moment that he realizes it's Bob Sugar and he sniffs, the anguish that is playing out on his face as he's summoning the veins

in his face, but trying to mute the way that it comes off, he grabs the... He brings the legal pad over. He's like, maybe we should get something to write. And then after that, when he says Bob Sugar, he can't even bring himself to say it. Bob Sugar, have you? And then after that, he's just decimated. I think some of the best act, and I will go with that.

Drunk sunglasses Tom Cruise visits Dorothy. Is the next rewatchable scene? I would actually put Tom Cruise getting drunk as a rewatchable scene for me, for him and Rod at the airport lounge and then on the plane leading up to him You love all scenes where Tom Cruise has to either drink or pretend to get high or anything. Okay. Yes. Rod is so funny on the place.

You like this jacket? Take it. Because I'm cloaked. Failure. When he visits Dorothy, it's basically the Ben Stoer impersonation of Cruz. And you just think... Ben Stoher studied this for five months, learning every mannerism. We get Nicky talking the photo Rod Tidwell.

We get the Bonnie Hunt advice. We get Clarence Thomas jokes. which brought us back to the 90s, and then he ends up getting called a cab. Good stuff. He establishes some connections there. Jerry and Rod in the shower. Unbelievable.

Do your job. Don't you tell me to dance. Fine. Hey, hey. You're an athlete. I am not an entertainer. I do not dance, and I do not start preseason without a contract.

Fine, fuck. Jerry, talk to me. Breathe. Breathe, Jerry. Both of them at their best, I think, in that scene. Fine. Fine. Fyne!

Kinks the wall. Fine! So just good scream acting in this movie. Help me. Help you. Do you feel he's dialing it up too much? That I will never tell you about. You wouldn't put him in the Rubinick Award, would you?

Tom? For any of this? Fully. Really? Yeah. It's just a matter of choosing which one. Yeah. Oh, I see, I like it.

I do too. I'm pro. Who gets him? Jam winner? I got Kelly Pressing. Like, it, but I think it works because his unraveling is so significant that it feels like he's completely lost control. Yeah. And when you first see him, he's like super control, right?

He's telling you how much control he has over his life and then it's gone. I also just like, I am an athlete, not an entertainer bit. It's just, I'm that. That is such a nostalgic thing because that's not really a thing anymore, right? Like nobody thinks that way. But it was a thing back then. I like, you think we're fighting. I think we're finally talking.

You are hanging on by a very thin thread. And I dig that about you. No contract. I help me. I help you. Help everybody. That's my man. Hey, I'm happy to entertain you.

Help me. Help me. I see him last year. Jerry. Come on, man. Hey, see, that's the difference between us. You think we're fighting and I think we're finally talking. Great quote. Jerry picks up Dorothy for their first date,

which for some reason she's like, come on over around eight. Hey, the divorced woman's group is going to be here. So just maybe, I'm not sure why that happened. She's in the dress. this is when we get the hug with the Secret Garden cameo which I think gets the Kid Cuddy

Pursuit of Happiness unless you want to go Free Falling? I'm going Free Falling. For Best Needle Trap? Yeah. Free Fallen? What would you do? Springsteen or Free Fallen?

I have so many nominees. I have Secret Garden. I had written Free Fallen, but then I went with Secret Garden almost immediately when I saw the scene because the scene is so moving. There's like 15 songs

that are great in this movie. Yeah, look you in it. Give it, Bill. Take it easy. Don't cry at the beginning of a date is a great line. This whole scene is fantastic. Every piece of this is just really well written. I've talked about Bonnie.

Bonnie Hunt, elite. Great. I had her coming up and, is she eligible for Dionne Waiters? She might be in too much for Dion. Yeah. The wedding scene, we get Rod singing Marvin Gay.

We get Jerry's face during the wedding video. Oh, God. Bonnie Hunt saying, you fucked this up. I'll kill you. And then Rod's like, you don't have to talk, did you? Can you imagine, like, watching those wedding videos? First of all, the night of the wedding,

but also just, like, if you saw the groom's face being like, oh, shit, like that. Yeah, it would just be a chill would fall over the room. It's tough. It looks like Tibbs and Game 4 of the indie mix series. It's like, what did I do? Why did I play OG in nobody so many minutes? God, I hope the Celtics lose. We're definitely going to lose.

Three more. Rod baching about his QB when he gets in the fight with Jerry. How's your marriage, Jerry? And then Jerry gets mad and does the whole. Right now you're a paycheck player. It's all about what you didn't get.

Does the whole thing. You know what? That is not what inspires people. You are a paycheck player. You play with your head, not your heart. Your personal life, heart. But when you get on the field,

it's all about what you didn't get, who's to blame. who under through the pass, who's got the contract you don't, who's not giving you your love. And you know what? That is not what inspires people. That is not what inspires people. Just shut up.

Play the game. Play it from your heart. And you know what? I will show you the quand. And that's the truth, man. That's the truth. Can you handle it? It's just a question between friends.

You know? Oh. And when they call you shrimp, I'm the one who defends you. I want to be friends, no one. Fine. And quit using that word, Kwan. That's my word.

I'll see you in L.A. No heart. No heart? I'm all heart, motherfucker. And then he does the I'm all heart, motherfucker. And then we're off. That scene is awesome. That's another one.

He just goes toe to toe with Cruz. Rod's big catch. The TD Dance, which I'm pretty sure we'd have gotten a penalty in 2024. What they say? On the broadcast. He's probably going to get a flag, but. And the post-game press conference talk is a great moment. So Crow had really, in some of the research,

Crow said that Tom Cruise only had one note on the script. When Cuba Gooding does his end zone dance after getting it from the near concussion on the playing field, Tom said, where's Jerry McGuire? I just want to be invested in that moment so I can build on it toward the end of the movie. Cameron Crow is like, great note Tom Cruise. So that's why Cruz is running toward him.

That's how he ends up on the, And he's calling mercy. Really smart. Yeah. So he's in the scene versus it just being a did well think. And then at the end, Jerry comes back. You complete me. You had me at hello.

The divorce group's crying. We live in a cynical world. A cynical world. And we work in a business of tough competitors. You complete me. I'm just... Shut up. Just shut up.

you had me at hello and hello does this get the Rick Dalton award for the best fucking acting I've ever seen Oh I had best fucking acting It was cruise in the in the shower Oh there you go

Yeah okay What do you got for most rewatchable I think honestly it's Bob and Jerry Trying to keep their clients And just that whole scene in the office Of him of them like negotiating with those guys I think probably just because I've seen this movie So many times I'm not going to take you

Completely me or Rod getting back up off the field Yeah. It's going to be something earlier. I have the same. What do you have, Van? If I had to watch one scene over and over again, which is the category, it would be the scene that includes,

show me the money. It's just funny as hell. It never gets old. As played up and watered down as it got as over-exposed as the saying got and all that, it just never gets old. And every time you watch it, you notice like a different thing.

Like when Bob Sugar's like, he calls an athlete and he's just like, you know, you got me like Bob Sugar, I'm completely concentrated. He's like, talk to Rich. shit. Yeah. He'll tell you more about Dorado.

Yeah. What do you have? I think help me help you is my favorite. The shower scene. Yeah. I think that's the most electric. I like the lunch heading into them fighting for the clients. So there's deleted scenes for this movie, most of which are bad.

But there's a great four-minute J. Moore taking calls. Basically, one take, same camera. And he's on the phone with 10 different clients. and that guy keeps coming back and giving the phones. I don't know how they did it. But they couldn't have kept in the movie because it was too long. But really good.

So they kept like two of them. Jay Moore. What stage the best? Jerry McGuire is a movie character name? Yeah. Incredible name. Like it. It's like Van Lathen.

Incredible name. Yeah, I like it too. Jerry McGuire. We've gone away from naming movies after the main character of the movie. Like Aaron Brockovich? Yeah. Should we get back to that?

I guess Iron Man. Damn. Like Oppenheimer? John Wick. Barby. Yeah, John Wick. But they didn't call it Robert Oppenheimer. There's like a dude who does stuff, though.

Yeah, like Mrs. Smith. Michael Clayton. Yeah. Yeah. Well, usually when they do it, I always feel like they couldn't come up with a better title. So they're like, I just, what's the guy's name? And they just make it that guy. You don't think so?

No, I think you might be right. It's like, I always feel like it's lazy. But in this case, it's like Michael Clayton being called the Fixer, it's like 2% worse. Well, if you called this movie, show me, money, it's worse, right? Yeah. It's like, do you see Show Me the Money with Tom Cruise? Yeah.

Did you see the Kwan with Cooper Getting Jr.? Um. Cuba's Oscar speech I mentioned earlier, he's presented the Oscar from Mirrissorvino, who was offered the Dorothy Parp, but our agents wanted too much money and she ended not taking it. I just thought it was an interesting moment. She's probably like, fucking firing my agent. when he when it looks like dorothy's moving to san diego and he's saying goodbye to ray and ray goes

go ahead and go go go yeah uh been a running joke of my family for 28 years every time i'm like yeah i'm gonna go back to boston my wife be like go ahead and go just running joke feel free to incorporate in your own lives bill that's sad as shit i know because it's a sad moment go ahead and go You're ditching us. The mom, son, speaking of that, the, I need to find you a dad moments that they sprinkle in, like when they drop off at the airport. And they see the guy. And they just see the guy hugging and they're both like looking for a second. I don't know.

Work for me. Cameron Crow. No, but Cameron Crow, you know, single mom, this is like something he really understands. Jerry has a Sunssonics, 1993 conference finals t-shirts. Incredible. during the scene when he proposes that I look for on eBay, I couldn't find it. Chris said to me today earlier

that the sweatshirt he's wearing right now came from Ukraine. He did not realize when he ordered it online that that's where it came from. Maybe that same seller has this T-shirt you're talking about. I'll look on for Bill. I have a bunch more of what's edge the best, but do you have any you wanted to do? Yeah, you know, along the lines of

the note you had about Zellweger in the background when she finds out that he's broken up with Avery, I love that Jerry knows he's getting fired when Marcy says to Bob, you've been calling the house. Yeah. That whole scene where he's like Cruz himself is obviously somewhere else while Marcy's talking.

It's just like if you watch the movie like a couple times, you're like, oh, he knows he's dead here. Yeah. I also think low key, the first six minutes of the movie is a genius decision to start Jerry in the breakdown. Rather than like, here's 15 minutes of Jerry McGuire's super agent and him being a prick. It's like, that's a voiceover for four or five minutes. He's sick in the sixth minute and he's crazy for the rest of the movie.

And it's like such a great move because you never build up any resentment or bad feelings towards Jerry. He starts at him being like, I want to care about people. I want to connect with people. I wonder if it was always that way too. But it's a great. The voiceover he did it when he was in London. Because he did it during, when he was making eyes wide shut is when he recorded the voiceover. So it's like, is that something that came in late?

Did they make a change? It's just a great move. It just makes you feel so connected to him so fast. Yeah, as soon as we get to him, he's just going through it. But then they give you enough, you know, he's standing next to Drew Bledso. They give you enough for you to know that this guy is a badass. And when they're showing the kids in front, he's showing the way he looks at people because these are, some of them are young athletes. And he's commodifying them.

Like right away, he's telling you not what they're doing. or whatever's going on in their life, but how much money he feels like they're going to make and what he can make off them. Do you have any of what stage the best? Yeah, a few. The number one overall pick controlling is destiny at the NFL draft

after Eli Manning did it seven years later. The NFL being ruthless about player longevity. Oh, yeah. This movie's like really ahead of the curve. Yeah, because he's like, you should take the $1.6 million. Because otherwise you're going to, you know, you're going to... It's so funny.

I love sports back then and was even trying to write about it. And I was so not aware of all that stuff. Yeah. This is one of the first movies. Like, oh, yeah, maybe he should take the money. His career's not going to be that long. Yeah, that moment when he, when they get the offer and Cruz is like, you could get hurt.

And he feels, he's like, anguished. He's telling him that. Yeah, yeah. Exactly the way they set the movie up. And then just Tom Cruise, as a maniacally consumed man with intimacy trouble, I just feel like this is a, this is age well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Age is the best for me. whiteouts. I thought about this as I was watching the movie. You know, they talk about that. This is in the, this is Herman Moore's coming through. Everybody's got to be six foot six. And then your guys come, your Welker, Edelman, Tyroi Brown, Steve Smith. All of these guys got smaller whiteouts. Yeah. It's pretty good. Um, 35 as the, for me personally, as the, what am I doing age? Like for me, when I, I remember being in the office one time and I was feeling so weird about turning 35

and I said, you know, 35, I'm still, that's still that's young, right? He goes, and this guy Gary I worked with he goes, no, it's not. You need to figure out whatever he's going to do. So it's real. Like him getting to that point and trying to like, it's a big number. And then I feel like the

concussion protocol has really helped a lot of athletes too because he was knocked unconscious on the field. Yeah, yeah. And from what we know. And they didn't even bring a neck brace out. Right. He was knocked on So that's age pretty well. They're like, hey,

he's like, hey, he's wind knocked out of him. He's fine. Get up, or he's going to play next year. Well, we're at the test to wake him up. They're like, Rod. That's all they're doing to help him. They're just clapping in his face.

I have the Kwan family, community, money, and respect. Which apparently Cameron Crow thought that was going to be the big lesson for the movie. That should have evolved. Show me the money. But the quad was good. I still say it. The divorce women's group is hilarious. it's used perfectly and not too much.

It's like little scene breaks. Yeah, yeah, it's good. The things you think and do not say is a memo title. Oh my God. Really good. So good. I like when she says to Rod Jr., why don't you be the first man in your family

not to say that word and then we'll let you live. I like all the family scenes with them watching the football game. I think that could have gone badly. When you talked earlier about how so many ways that character go badly, I really think they nailed all that stuff. The Roy Firestone jokes have both aged the best and the worst Because this was part of that Roy Firestone show

You're like, oh, can he get the person to cry? And then the movie just dives into that. What was the Firestone show was called what? Up close. Up close. And then was that... Replaced by Chris Myers, not a great move. But what was like the late afternoon,

early evening ESPN slate? It was PTI on that? It was like in that PTI thing. Oh, PT. This is pre-PTA. Was Bob Lee's show on? No. That time?

No, that was Sundays, right? And we had less to watch. So it was like, oh, he's going to interview. Get some fired up Firestone. The left tackle on the Lions. Great. This guy won the Boston Marathon. Let's watch it.

And then that's where Robin broke down on the show, right? Yeah, a bunch of people did. And then the soundtrack, a bunch of good choices on this. So, quickie words. Great shot, Gordo. What do you have, CR? Cruise in the airport on the people mover, kind of like, had that as well. Scooting down.

I wrote the sweating glass of water when he's getting fired. That's a great. Great detail. I like the wide shot of the office when Jerry and Dorothy were leaving and everybody's stopped, like, paralyzed. And then it just goes back. Yeah, I thought it was a good one. Also, the kiss on the patio is great. And they're like backlit and come in.

Oh, and he's like sucking on her neck. Yeah. That's my guy, Anoush. It's good shit. It's all sucking on a neck. That's the last non-spellberg movie he made for nine years. Is that true? Yeah.

Jesus. You know what I like to? Him running out for, you know, Tom's got to run in every movie. Yeah. But him running through the tunnel, for me, that was a fantastic shot. Just his, he's like exerting so much to get there for his guy. It's so symbolic. He's literally running through the darkness to get to Rod Tillwell.

I don't think there's ever been an airport that dark, but it's fun. The, uh, then at these Benihanna, where it's seen still in location, either the airport or the NFL draft, just the, I have the Cardinals Cowboys game. Monday night at football. I thought that was like, well, they interpolated that well. I like the Cushman Ranch too. The Cushman Ranch.

Kid Cuddy, Free Fallen, Secret Garden, just what's going on, starting with Rod Toadwell, singing, Marvin Gay, I thought was good too. But there's a couple good ones. I should leave. She's so embarrassed by him. Big Cahooner Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. I really love the Apple Jacks.

Oh, that's good. And then the crabs and the rick and the crabs. It's good. All right. The Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This character is actually good at his job. Jerry McGuire.

Of course. Yeah. So, didn't you have contracts with all your clients? Like, you get fired, but you don't still get to take

the commissions from your clients? What kind of... I was going to ask you how this works. He's supposed to lock in for the rest of the deal that he negotiated. Are they... I was about to say, are they signed to him

or to the thing because they're still making, they still have money coming in. They're getting commission every year. Maybe there's commissioned all their whole thing. Maybe there's signed to sports management international and he's just their agent by a site.

He's done a poor job. It would make no sense whatsoever. I have further evidence. Last season, Rod Tidwell had 110 catches for 1550 yards. In 1996, when this movie was released, Isaac Bruce led the NFL with 1338 yards

on 84 catches. Jerry Rice led the last. league with 108 catches. Rod Tidwell is the best receiver in the NFL. There's no way they wouldn't have known who he was. The Hulk, when they spit those stats out, there's no fucking way that he would be that underpaid

and they wouldn't have known who he was. Although Arizona was really cheap back then. I'm sure they were, but he would have been a massive fucking star. A hundred and ten he had not have been anonymous on the draft day lobby. I agree. I agree. He introduced Rod Titwell to male fucking Kiper. Because I was looking

at the over-the-cats for He said this is wrong too well. Three point. Well, I did the same. You did the salary cap stuff? Well, so the first season is the 95 season. And then I think the 96 season's what we're watching.

So that 95 was the great receiver boom. That was Rice, Bruce, Herman Moore, Irvin. Andre Reid. Robert Brooks. He wasn't there anymore. Perriman, Chris Carter, Tim Brown, Carl Pickens, all those dudes. And in 90...

Carl Pickens. When we get to the contract stuff... Herman Moore in 95 got four years 13.8. Andre Razz at 95 got five years, 17.2. And Jerry Rice in 96 got five for 29. So Rod's like getting paid like the best slot guy. But he should. But interestingly enough,

The motherfuckles was broke. Rob Moore. This shit changed, man. Shout out to the CBA. Yeah. Rob Moore, who was kind of the Cardinals version of Rod Tidwell in real life, Sunday four year deal in 1995 for $11.2 million. And I think that's how they got that number.

Yeah, but that's that's a way worse. Rob Moore never had 110 catch season. No. No. Rob Moore ended up on the Jets, didn't he? Did. How'd that go for you? Not great.

Okay. But yeah, they mean-spirited. This goes back to our whole thing. We always talk about CR. We need to come in on these sports movies. Just chat about it. We're just here to help. Yeah.

We're just advisors. It's just about changing like a couple of things down. Yeah, just, hey, man, maybe bump. Bump those rod numbers up. 110 catches is a fucking lot. The other way is what they should have done. He had 82 catches for 1,022 yards. He's a player on the rise.

That would have made more sense. He says he calls him the best kept secret in the league. He's putting up historic numbers. There's just no way. I think this also carves into the Butch's girlfriend, Weeklink. It would have been cool, too, also, if it was like, Rod has to play slot, but he wants to play on the outside.

He wants to start getting... It's better for his body. red zone targets, you know. Instead, he's getting nailed. So I think this is the weak link of the film in some ways, too. If you've just watched it too many times, like, wait, why is it so hard for Rod to get a good contract?

110 catches and 1,500 yards. A lot of fucking stats. You think Swenson was weighing down the salary cap? They're stiff of a QB. He's throwing it over the middle getting killed. Terrible. He looks like a fucking Swenson. Do you have a different weak link or would you go with that? No, it's definitely like,

what's up with Rod's paycheck. Yeah. What's age the worst? The movie's attitude toward concussions, which was symbolic of what the 90s were like, this is the era where Eric Lindros got, would get knocked out of hockey games, and people would be like, get back in the fucking ice, dude. Take some fucking adfield.

It sounds like Philly to me. Sorry, Sierra. Oh, my God. What's age the worst? Getting involved with somebody who works for you. Yeah. It's not great. Yeah, 2024. Not as cool. Waterbed deals.

Don't have them. When was the last time you saw a water? bed. Still see car dealerships. I think 90s, Arizona. They were still trying to get rid of some stock. Yeah.

Okay. Cuba Gooding's last 10 to 15 years. Not awesome. What do you have for, I have some more, but what do you have anything? I just,

you know, we've probably gotten to a point where people's attention spans are such that you can't really put a mission statement in an email anymore. You know, maybe save it for the pod.

It's like getting a 25-page email. I'm not reading that the Unabomber just like log on. But I miss getting like a nice packet. You know? I like a nice, like I went to kick those and I got my packet bound. Why does that sound in a way? I don't know. It doesn't...

I miss getting a nice packet. Of cocaine. It just sounds... It sounds as a way. Interpret it however you want. What do you have for what's edge of course? Um, so Avery's domestic violence on Jerry McGuire. She'd be it down. Okay. We're not taking that. We're not taking her punching him, kicking him.

Because we... Yeah. Just the whole world. He had like a three inch cut on his eyes. Yeah. She beat the UFC fight. She beat the shit out of him. Domestic violence. We're not taking that anymore. And the idea of not having sex with single mothers, we've moved past this.

Yeah. Instagram has showed us that there are a lot of single mothers out there that need it. Okay. And we're going to give it to him. DTF. You're doing a lot of we? I'm just saying, I'm just saying there's a lot of single not shop. Single mothers have agency and they, you know, if they have a babysitter.

So it's not about shoplifting the pooling anymore. It's not about shoplifting. You've broken your record for switching to higher learning van on this pod. You've switched three times down. We're not even done yet. That was Rewatchables van. Like we were talking about, I think, well, you could switchers maybe. Give me what's a judge worse?

Just the stuff about the stats and this. And playing the last year of your contract and it being like, I could get hurt and this would be the end of my career, which I know happened a lot, but, you know, between Dr. James Andrews and, you know. I had one of the contract. more, actually, which was that there did used to be a lot of sports agents who had multi-sport athlete in a lot of sports, and that that has changed a lot.

Now it's like you're mostly focused on one sport if you're an agent. I have a couple more. Lippnicki's baseball throw at the end is an absolute abomination. I saw that. It's just so bad. He's in fucking Hercules. And he throws that bitch all the way to the outfield. It's so bad.

And Cruz is like, whoa! I've got to sign this guy. It's like, this kid is He kind of looks like Tom Cruise throwing a baseball, though. You know, like, maybe that's why he was impressed because he thinks that's how you're supposed to throw. It's also like, it's funny that the other little leaguers are like, great throw. Great throw. He'd be like, dude, throw me the fucking ball.

I'm throwing over my head. And speaking of throwing, Frank Cushman, I didn't love his. Oh, terrible. No. No. Yeah. I wonder about, kind of like that. It just didn't seem like a football player.

So I worked on the movie one time, and the supervisor producer on the movie was a lady. I won't say her name because she's still words. out here, but she could really throw a football. Was it Mrs. Smith? No, it wasn't. She could really throw a football. Like, she could really throw the football. She could really throw the football.

And I remember I asked her, I was like, yo, like, why? And she said, I worked on varsity blues. And there was a guy on varsity blues that was on the movie teaching everybody how to throw. And then between whatever, between takes, he would teach everybody and we all learn how to throw.

She would pat the ball and throw it perfect spiral. I wonder how when they're, maybe not be good for Cush might not have been enough of him in the movie but when I saw that I'm like that motherfucker's not going first in the draft he didn't look any quarterbacky at all I'm like they can't even the way he like

patted the ball everything was up two days and I'll shout out to Jerry I boxed with Jerry but like it it I just want to say shout out to jeez you're being corrupted by this town I hate to see it

what's Hollywood done to you no shots fired as my friend Jerry on Jerry O'Connor before all of us We're live on YouTube. That's my guy. That's my guy. He needed some extra coaching.

Y'all asses. But he just doesn't look like he could throw the ball. It was really, really bad. It's also a little confusing because he's in Odessa being scouted by guys who are all wearing like college t-shirts, but he's in the NFL draft. Again, they needed a consultant agency. A couple more. The Bachelor Party video is just weird.

This seems like the worst bachelor party ever. It sucked. Yeah. It's like, hey, give you the video. What are a bunch of women. You can't be alone. We're not going to have strippers and everybody's just dressing suits.

Just shitting on you. Yeah. In front of your new girl. Great times. The crew's overacting when he enters the party as elite though. He's like, oh! Yeah!

Ew! Morewood's age the worst. Two kids in the airport thinking Rod Tidwell is hooty. That's funny. A joke that doesn't work anymore? Yeah. It would be weirder if they were like,

you're the slot receiver for the park girls. Phone lines being busy has aged the worst. Yeah. Doesn't happen anymore. A personal thing for me. Kelly Preston is so good in this movie that it led to her getting the lead in for love of the game and fucking ruining that movie.

I'll never forgive her. Stuff. She is excellent in this movie. She's excellent. She bothered the shit out of me when I watched it this time. That's the whole point. You thought she wasn't good. Fan.

What? White girl first ballot hall of fan. But from... Babe fucking Ruth. But let me tell you the movies that she's from. It's not from this one. It's not from this one. I'll give you Kelly Preston's

Two Hall of Fame white girl performance. Two. How about seven? Okay. Twins. Obviously. Twins? Have you ever seen a movie called The Experts? Oh, yeah, with John Travolta. Yeah. And Ari Gross? Ari Gross.

Do you box with him, too? Shut up. Hall, I love Ari Gross. She's hottest in those. Twins, she's super hot. Secret admirer is the one. She destroyed everyone else in the 80s to the point that the stats look fake. It's like looking at Barry Bonds' baseball reference.

You know what, though? Barry Bonds had 840 on base. Honestly, one of your strangest takes. I got to say that my cohort didn't think twice about Preston. Yeah. What cohort? I stand with Bill on this. Okay.

There's like the people who are just like, it's Sharon Stone's world and we just live in it. Sharon Stone was older, though. Kelly Preston was like in little told to be in high school movies, rip it all the way through. And it's just like, why isn't she in the Bradpack? I do feel like if we're talking about a white girl connoisseur situation here, I do feel like there is a level. above her, though, that came out around that same time. Stone would be in it. Lynch would be in it.

Jennifer Connolly. Connolly, get the fuck out of here. Well, Connolly's in there, too. Okay. And by the way, this conversation, I need your first team all black ladies situation. Okay, I'm not going to get that YouTube. Live on YouTube. Why?

See what I'm saying? See? But why, though? There's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it. Come on, Bill. It's a long list. I know it?

Yeah. See, that's a thing. That's a thing. I sometimes I feel like... Who loves Boomerang more than me? Because of my first ballots in that. But see, we've talked about it. Me and Bill have had long conversations

about Whitney Houston. But we've discussed it. So, you know, one day just... Robin Givens and Boomerang, I feel like if we had just Senator Russia, she could have ended the Cold War like 10 minutes. Let me get Gorda chip. Let me just get 10 minutes of long with him.

She took down the ever-way champion. Jesus Christ. What's age the worst? Tidwell's brother, which we all agree is a really good character and I like the resentful stuff but does he like Rod? Is he on Rod's team? He's jealous. He's jealous. He's jealous of. He's got his own room.

Oh, that happens. Come on. It's flooded. Is it the ants? That happens. Yeah, it's got the shittiest room in the house. Where is the flood happening in Arizona? Yeah, seriously, it never rains there. I had the lack of pull suitcases. Everyone's carrying bags. Everybody's got their garment bags. That's right. Three years later, just pulling stuff. There's an alternate ending

in this movie on YouTube that's awful. I encourage people not to watch it. Is it with Nicky? drafted by the royals? He's like fucking saberhagen. They take Jaylip to the to the zoo. And he's just on a bench and he's just like longingly looking happily.

I'm going to save this for we bought a zoo. Yeah, that's what happened. But he's just looking longingly at Zellwager. It's bad. And then, hey, the human head, it weighs 11 pounds. Tough beat. Come on, J. Lip. Tough, tough beat. All right.

Ruffalo Hannah Rubenick Partridge overacting word. knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady! I come in here, I give these things to you. Give it all you got! Give it all you got! I treated you like a son! You fucking stand me in the heart!

Fuck you! To me, it's like clearly Kelly Preston, even though I think she's good in this movie. She's out of control in this movie. Don't ever stop fucking me! Shooter, or later. I'll have to stop. Stop.

It's a type, though. Don't ever stop fucking me! It's fucking crazy. But this super intense type A striver. Yeah, Predator. I won't let myself feel. And then there's seven cruise scenes. I think the most overactive for cruise is Free Fallen, actually.

Yeah. You're like, Tom, you're going to sing Free Fall on the car. It's like, all right, I've got it. Yeah. I'm going to sing Free Falling in the car. I've listened to every single recording of Tom Petty singing Free Fallen. Listen to Tom Petty for three weeks getting ready to sing free falling. You know, the interesting thing is, Tidwell does not come up for me, although it feels like he's the one that's going for the most sometimes.

Yeah. It's a weird. It feels super genuine with him, though. It does, though. The only person who's not on 11 in this movie, though, is Renee Zellweger. Everybody who's in the movie is up a level. She's on the level, she's on an 11 of like Ernest's cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But she doesn't yell. She doesn't. Was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no. Jerry McGuire is a good title, right? I think I was thinking about this when you said that we don't do that anymore. One of the great things about the movie is people just saying his name, you know, like when Rod thinks... Jerry McGuire.

Yeah, there's something... It's a great name. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? What do you got, CR? So if you read Cameron Crow put Jerry McGuire's mission statement up on his website. Actually, he wrote the whole thing. It's 25 pages long.

if you read that, you'd be like, there's no way this guy's going to be my agent, and he should definitely get fired from split-man international. It's mostly just like, man, I'm up, I'm writing, this is crazy. You know what would be great is if we just had deeper human relationships and there's no solutions in it? So he just seems like a maniac. Yeah, he just seems like he's having a manic episode.

So maybe don't put that online camera crew. Yeah, no, I mean, I thought it was really interesting to read, but like five pages in, you're like, T-LDR, man. So you would have Bob Sugar to him. But this is related to mine, which is just that Bob Sugar's right. Like, Jerry McGuire does not work for the right cross. Yeah. Like, he's a sports agent.

Yeah. These are the movie about Sean called Sean Fantasy. No, it's a movie about sharks. Like, the whole point is that nobody gets into sports agenting so that they can be a good person. It's the opposite. Yeah. These people are fucking evil, man. What are we talking about?

I will say, though, that I agree. Fans like, listen, shout out the clutch. I saw Rich today. Shut up. No. not at all um anyway yeah um but the only thing i agree but the kid one the kid scene where his dad is gonna get his dad is gonna die yeah is the only is the only kind of you you can't get into

the business if you don't want to do that but the kid scene is the thing that kind of kind of kind of The bullies the whole deal. In your experience, is that something that agents do? Encourage their athletes to get back out there and play more when they're injured. I don't like agents, as you know. You get the same agent forever. I don't like agents. Oh.

Okay. Well, I'll remember that when I get rich to do my deal next time. My honest take is like a lukewarm take, but I would just cut every Dickie Foxing. I don't think it works. Oh, I like it. I don't need it. It's very cruel. I like the exact same way.

I agree. I think Dickie and the diverse. divorced women's group are like just two things where you're like no other movie does something like this. Yeah. I'm fine. I don't think he's that funny or good of an actor. I just wouldn't have it. But he's just such a Cameron Crow thing. He comes back to it and then the whole not. The funny thing, isn't there something in the original script, the Sorkin script for Moneyball? Isn't there like a similar, like it's, I don't know if it's Bill James, but there's like a similar. Like a testimonial so that are interspersed throughout the movie explaining certain ideas, yeah. Thelma from Good Times. Okay. Pam Greer.

Okay. Casting what ifs. Wait a minute, you're my hottest take. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Wait. I forgot you didn't do it. It's just, it's not, these two hottest takes.

I'm going to sit up. I'm going to sit up. But they're connected. One is that Avery and Jerry and Dorothy had a threesome. Because remember Avery said if Dorothy, and that led to the divorce of Jerry McGuire. and Dorothy Boy, they do not say. Oh, you mean like in a sequel kind of situation?

Yeah. It's a challengers type thing. So Challenges type of deal, yeah. So, because Avery was still around. She came to get her stuff from the house. Maybe I had a glass of Chardonnay with Dorothy. Yeah, or something. They saw them around town.

Yeah. And, you know, there was a thing. She said that she would be willing to do it. Jerry and then we're looking to put the spark back in their relationship because we're all kind of stepping all over Byron Mayo here, you know? What I'm saying is that happened and then they got divorced. Their marriage lasted. I wanted to talk about

how long the relationship lasts. It lasted seven years. We have that later. Yeah. There's a deleted scene where he calls Kelly Preston and tells him he signed Cush. And she's like, yes, you're the fucking man. You're going to come home and I'm going to give you a blowjob tonight, Chicago style.

What? And she hangs up. She hangs up and he's like Chicago style. And I don't have no idea with Chicago. They should have left that in the movie. That's fucking incredible. Yeah. It should have been the name of the movie.

Chicago style. Open your DMs for tonight. There you go. I can't tell you how many casting what ifs we have, so we're going to zip through them. Cameron Crow originally wrote the screenplay for Hanks and Winona Rader. Hank's eventually, he took so long right to screenplay, Hank's ultimately passed to do that thing you do. And then Cruz loves saying anything.

I want to do this with you. So now it's Cruz and Winona Rader for a split second, and they look like brother and sister. And they're like, we got to get rid of her. and he did at least have Tom Hanks do a reading and say the words, this is Jerry McGuire, but he leaves. Woody Harrison before Cruz was offered the movie,

turned it down and has said in the last five years, I said to Jim Brooks, nobody is going to give a shit about an agent. So he said no. Woody Harrison is Jerry McGuire is interesting. It's not as good of a movie. I don't understand they went to Woody Harrelson before Tom Cruise?

I don't think they thought Tom Cruise was actually going to do it. So I think they were going to other people and then Cruz was finally... And this is probably various points over the course of like the three and a half I think of the three and a half I think of this.

Gwyneth Paltrow came in and did a reading with Cruz and he said, Crow said it was like watching a scene from Annie Hall. I wish this stuff was on YouTube. Just so good watch Gwyneth Paltrow

did a scene with Tom Cruise. Janine Garofalo said she went for Dorothy and they wanted to lose a bunch of weight and she did and then they said you're too old. You can't have it. Fuck. René Zelleweger beat out

for Dorothy Boyd. It was down to two people. people. Sierra knows. Jennifer Lopez. No, she auditioned too, but the final two. This is really going to pain you. I actually don't know.

Who is it? Connie Britton. Oh, I did know. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Because who was pushing her for it? Someone who was...

A bunch of people. Connected to the movie. Connie Britton recalled after it was heartbreak. Oh. Isn't it because of the... It's because it at Burns, right? thing? Yeah.

Yeah. Because Ed Burns, they've thought about Ed Burns for this. So she said, they asked her, do you have a theory why you didn't get it?

And she said, maybe I was too tall. She actually, there is a video where she talks about her screen test and she's just like, it was a disaster.

She had, she did in her audition. Well, I looked up the heights. Connie Britton 5-8, Rennaz-L-Wigger 5-4. And you don't be wrong. What's Cruz? Listed.

5-7. Yeah, you see, short. Jamie Fox auditioned for Tidwell and apparently was very good but Cupid already crushed it but I think Fox in this role would have could have worked. Yeah, I think it would

have been a little different but I think it could work. He gets his Willie Beeman. You know who we haven't really talked about just real quick? Regina King. Yeah, I was going to say I have it right here. Oh, okay.

Jana Jackson auditioned, accepted and then it fell through and Regina King comes in and this was a huge movie for her. Yeah. Huge. Huge. She's awesome.

Propelled her. It was great. It's a great character and she's really good. She's pretty much only done the Singleton movies in Friday until this point. Yeah, that I had seen her. Well, when, and then that next year she does the Will Smith movie. Emmy Estate.

Yeah. And then it's like, she is, you know what I mean? Big Hollywood movies. Yeah, she's a big Hollywood movie. Well, we were like, look, we all love Regina King, but it is Lisa Bonnet. Like, I can't blame him. In that movie right there? Lisa Bonnet.

Yeah, Lisa Bonnet. Another first ballot. Sure. The reenemy? Amy Mann. recorded a song called Wise Up to be used from McGuire, and Crow loved it, decided to not fit, and it went into Magnolia.

Another Tom Cruise film. There's one more casting, what if? What do you got? Diane Lane for Avery. Yeah, I didn't know. I couldn't get corroboration on that, but I did. You called your sources? You called it.

Couldn't tell how real that was. But man, what a face-off. Yeah. That touched me personally. Yeah. As a Diane Lane. I didn't even know how I feel about that. It would have been so much better.

Rest in peace. Yeah, it would have been so much better, man. Did you say rest in peace? Yeah, it's a Kelly Preston. Oh, I thought you'd been to Diane Lane. Yeah. Ah, she's still around. Yeah.

The Danny McBride Award for playing yourself. I will give you Roy Firestone, Drew Bledsoe, Troy Aikman, Al Michaels, or Katerina Witt? Akeman. Kuiper? I like Katerina Witt. She's in my first battle German Hall fame. Who else? Why did you read?

Yeah. Tread lightly. Yeah. I meant for women. Yeah, Aikman's good too. Yeah. I like seeing him. And he says he brings a memo. I like seeing Deerdorf, get forwarded and L. Michaels, too.

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Crow loves Stoltz. It's a great little scene, though. Yeah, but he was just hanging out. Crow put Stoltz in every movie. I know. He was just hanging out. Yeah. No, he wasn't an agent.

He owned the. the joint that they were at or something on the club. Oh, he's like a restaurant already. He's so good as the mime and singles. Oh, yeah. Another one where they just squeezed them in. Yeah. The Van Lathen Award. Did this movie need more black people? No. I knew you were going to say that. No. Nope.

Nah. These are white problems. And so the Tidwell family is really good, though. They're well done. They're super good. Like, we, the representation is there. And also, you know, it's interesting about it. is if I really wanted to be, if you pull at the movie, there's also like a cultural lesson in the movie

as Jerry comes to understand Rod Tillwell and as a person more and his relationship more. And his wife and why at the beginning of the movie, some people would look at her and go, wow, well, she's all up in Jerry's face and it's a caricature of the role and all of that. But at the end, you see that she's like fighting

for her family's survival and everything that they're up against. Like, the movie gets that part of it right, which is interesting from Cameron Crow. It's interesting that it was so authentic to me. That rang so true. That's that guy word. Donald Logue?

See you that guy? I wrote Todd Louisa. I have Todd Louisa as well. Oh, I like that. He's also in high fidelity. Oh, yeah. High fidelity to music. I had Donald Logue, too, but yeah, that guy, yeah.

I feel like Donald Lowe, like, headlined a sitcom, you know. Terriers. I love, like, what was it called? It was like the family. It was like, what's the name of the sitcom? It was raising your kids or something on Fox. It was funny.

I can't remember. It was funny. Yeah. Dion Waders, I'll give you Kelly Preston, Jay Moore, the Manny, or Glenn Fry. I got to go Jay Moore. I think he might be in a hair too much for Dion. I don't think he is. He's really only in like three scenes.

He's out of the movie. Yeah. I think it's Jay Moore too. As good as Preston is. A little sprinkle for Drake Bell, like the whole movie. kind of turns on Drake Bell and the fuck you that he delivers to Jerry at the beginning. I would have never known it was him if not for.

Yeah. Recasting couch. This movie is casted superbly. I was thinking though in 1996. This could have been an amazing Jalen Rose cameo. My God. Like, either in the beginning

or at the end and the Roy Firestone, he's on the Nuggets at that point. He's famous. Just could have been a nice spot. for my guy. Tony Romo or Chris Collinsworth for the director's commentary. What do you got, C.R?

The divorce women's support group, Jim. He's stepping into the Lions Den. A lot of broken hearts in that room, Jim. Seven concussions for a lot, Jim. I had six myself. I was thinking Collinsworth talking about Swenson. Svensson. Oh, look at it.

He's just threading. needle here, Al. I think I was thinking of Collinsworth with Avery where he's like, oh, she does not want him to stop fucking. Don't you love that, Mike?

Al, this girl. She's going to blow him Chicago style. Sorry, Chris Collinsworth. Half-ass internet research. This was the best-selling VHS tape of all time, which was not released by Disney. Wow.

Oh, wow. Over three million copies sold during the first week of release. fiscal media just at its peak late 90s just still crushing uh

libnicky showed up one day in the set saying the human head weighs eight pounds and crow thought it was hilarious and threw you're gonna say libnicky showed up one day and said on a bender

it's very possible drunk as shit they hit that knocked tidwell out took 29 takes and three different stunt men before they were happy with it Regina King

was really pregnant during the filming and then um did say Interesting quote from Crow. He talked about how does Jerry McGuire find a conscience after him and Jim Brooks laid it all out. And they started telling other sports agents about it.

And he says, quote, some of the sports agents that I pitched that idea to looked at me like, are you crazy? We would never say anything like that. And he goes, that's when I knew we were on the right track from the reaction of the sports agents to the theme of the movie. He's like, I've got it. And then apparently there were two mockumentaries in 2017. about this movie about Cushman and Rod Tidwell and like what happened to them after?

Yeah, I can give you info where we can keep moving. I want to... I want to... One of them is about Cushman retired after four years due to a severe case

of athletes' foot. And then Tidwell declined an even more lucrative contract declared the Kwan was not there. And in the Tidwell thing, Van, adult Ray Boyd played by Lipnicki. inspired by Jerry and Rod to start his own boxing gym. That's what I'm talking about.

This is a mockumentary? This is on YouTube, apparently. And then the Dallas Arizona game, Christmas Day, 1995, Monday Football. Dallas 37, Arizona 13. Two picks for Dave Craig. A fun guy to bet against him in the 90s. Made a few wagers against that guy. He was no Swenson.

Aikman threw for 350. Apex Mountain. So this movie you could argue has, more apexes of the stars in it than just about any movie we've done. Cuba Gooding. For sure. René Zellweger? This or Bridget Jones? Yeah.

Cameron Crow? Sister almost famous. It's probably this, though. I think it's this. I think it's this. This is his biggest hit. Jerry O'Connell? You guys really don't feel like not to be argumentative, which I always am.

You guys really don't feel like Cameron Crow's Apex is almost famous? It wasn't as big of a hit. It wasn't as big of a movie. It's got Tom Cruise. It's true. McGuire leads to almost famous. It just seemed like Almost Famous was just

more critically. Critically darling and everybody who talked about it. This movie did better and was a bigger deal. I also, yeah, I also would dare say Almost Famous has a little bit of like a kind of like ringer bubble. Like it's the best movie ever.

But I don't know if it's always like I'm just saying. No, no, no, I'm with it. I'm with it. But it's like I was beating myself. It's a good debate. I was beating myself up watching the movie literally going.

People still walk around and show me the money. I like this movie better than Almost Famous. this movie's better than almost famous to me, but I thought that people would be a little gun shy about saying it. Have we landed on Cruise? Well, I'm going to get to him at the end. Bonnie Hunt, yes. Gifford, Michaels, and Deirdorf as a threesome.

I think this was Apex Mountain because they kind of all sucked together. Gifford was kind of out of it. This is when I started to write my sports guy column, and Gifford was just great for material. It's funny in the beginning of the game where he's like leading the play-by-play? I'm like, Al Michaels is right next to you. What are you doing?

That's what they would do. And then they would bring in, Gifford was kind of the elder statesman who had set the game around for so long. Shraigman, ow, so many years. So many memories. It's weird that they did that. Yeah. Have you done Renee Zillinger yet? We said yes.

Okay. Lipnicki, yes. J. Moore? I think maybe yes. I mean, this is kind of the culmination of the 90s because it's, like you said, the fifth consecutive, 100 million dollars. It's probably this because it's Mission Impossible and Jerry McGuire same year. I think it's 96. An act of such pure movie stardom to be able to be like,

I'm carrying this movie, the title is the character I play. It's not like a lawyer or an action movie. I'm not flying planes. I'm fucking talking and running and emoting for two hours. This is a real testament to this guy's wattage. Do you know what the problem with it being his apex? Mount is to me, is when you say Tom Cruise, for me, Apex Mountain Way, when you say Tom Cruise,

I don't think that most people think right away, Jerry McGuire. Like, when you say Tom Cruise, I don't think people think that. I think they think Maverick. They think, they think Maverick probably first. Yeah. So to me, this might be the best I've ever, the best Tom Cruise for me, the most I've ever connected to Tom Cruise. I don't know. I just, I have... But what if you combine it with Mission Impossible

five months earlier and then starting an action franchise? Career-wise, this is Apex Mountain. There's also two like absolute masterpiece movies still to this day. See our mission statements Apex Mountain? Unabomber.

Fair. Well, Unabomers right around this time. This is in the air. What? You just said that. so contemplatively, like you've really considered it? And then you decided that now is the time to share. So Apex Mountain for manifestos is the Unabombers.

Okay. You would call the Unabombers. I think that had more legs than Jerry McGuire being like, we should charge less than commissions. I can't argue with that. Sports agents. How about... What is the Apex Mountain for sports agents?

That is a good question. Probably David Falk and Michael Jordan Oh, I was going to say The most powerful person in the NBA Boris, but yeah Oh Boris is a guy Boris is up there How about Cruz laughing in bed

During a sex scene over actually having sex This is the Tom Cruise move Because they were like nobody People get weirded out Nobody wants to see the Chicago style here Yeah Yeah How about bass fishing accidents

Sure Oh, he lost the brother Lost the leg Yeah The Cowboys know Hey Nas brothers probably not this is the apex bout for Arizona Cardinals though

it actually they had no fucking shot though come on they came down they got a little spinner they should have won Jesus uh spring sad springsteen song movie drops we could either go with this or Philadelphia

Philadelphia yeah all right it's time it's the fucking Super Bowl I'm glad you're still here cruiser hanks I mean it's not close it's not close

it has to be Cruz yeah it's not close. Hanks was first choice. I actually don't think it's a great role for Tom Hanks. It's not. He's not slimy. This is easy, I don't think he's a great. I don't think he's a great role. Easily Cruz.

And I don't think he's quite good looking enough. But you could make the argument that this doubt ends the debate. If Cruz takes the role that was written for Hanks and is just like, this is now. Only because Hanks turned it down. I would say. Slappy seconds, Tom Cruise. It is an interesting movie with Tom Hanks. I'd like to see Tom Hanks try this, but he already did something like this.

Like Bonfire of the Vanities is a little bit of the same energy. And he was a bad fit. He was too old. I think he's too old at this point. Yeah, he might be. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, fantasy, team name. Did you go the Kwan?

That's what I wrote. Tidwell's? It's good. All right. I'm going to do this again. Pick a Knits. The big game. Do it.

Monday Night Football. Bayan hasn't heard this. We did this the first time. We talked about it. It's been a passion of mine for a long time. Monday Night Football game starts at 907 Eastern Time, 1995, or 1996. That is 707 Phoenix time.

I looked up the time of Monday night football games back then. It's about 3.20. Game ends, 10.30 range, Phoenix time. Shower. Press conference. Tidwell hug. 40 minutes at least? Yeah, I'm going to say 40.

I'm going to say it's 1115 Phoenix time. Jerry leaves Rod with his phone. Sprints out. He's got to get out. Football traffic. Are they in Glendale for this? No, they're not in Glendale. It's in, I think, Sun Devils Stadium.

Okay. So they probably, I'm going to say traffic out of the game. game. Airport 1145, 12 range Arizona time. Best case scenario. Best case scenario flight is 1230 to 12.45 a.m. Like, let's say 1230. We'll get the benefit of that.

No TSA. He's just like running on the point. Runs on. 12.30. Now I looked up Southwest, Phoenix, to LA. The latest flight is 9.40 p.m. So there's a nitpick right there. No flights go from Arizona after midnight to L.A. Whatever.

90 minute flight. Time zone shift. Best case scenario, it's 1 a.m. Pacific time when he lands in L.A. Gets off the plane. She lives in Santa Monica. Cab, 25-minute ride. She lives in Manhattan Beach. So, plane cab, 25-minute ride.

Best case scenario that, that's 30 minutes, shows up, and the divorce woman group is still going. 3 a.m.? It's 1.30 a.m. in our best case scenario. In L.A. Every single thing has to happen. If it's 1.30, I can see them still be in. On a Monday. They would be fucking hammered.

There's no way anybody's hanging out that late on a Monday night unless they are three sheets. They're like, we got to wrap this up. Sally just shit all over herself. And Heather just threw up. Yeah, there's no 1.30 a.m. in the morning. Or they're like two bags deep into like a Coke binge. They're doing Coke at the... No, I'm just saying like there's no other...

These guys are just like, let's talk about our feelings and we're at 1.30 a.m. It's a tremendous nitpick, but you guys seem really mad about it. Well, it's not as bad as this one. Oh, no. Oh, here we go. Why would Denver want to trade up for Frank Cushman in 1996 when they had John Fulkeme? Come on. Why use Denver?

Why use Denver? Again, we're right here. Sports Movie Consulting Agency. San Diego makes perfect sense. San Diego is great. San Diego had Stan Humphrey. He was a fucking mess. Fucked it off into Super Bowl.

Was it just because they had the all, either all swim or surf line and they wanted to hold that? Yeah. And then it had me and Chris. It's always really bothered me. Dorothy has a young kid and needs health benefits. I just don't feel like she's quitting. I agree. I feel like she's walking out. She's impossible.

This guy's inspired me. I'm gone, yeah. Especially after she's been widowed. What do you have for nitpicks? Well, first of all, they never let Jerry back in the office after sugar fires him. Good point. The idea that he gets a full day to make phone calls. They're boxing and stuff up.

Fuck that. Yeah. Their badge doesn't work. Yeah. They're escorting you home. And this one just jumped out of me this time. Did you notice that in the middle of the night in Miami, McGuire goes to the copy shop and it's slammed.

And it's people all over for it. It's fucking bad. It's 2 a. I notice it's 2 a.m. He goes in there and a guy's working and everybody's up in that bitch. Pre-internet. You know why. So everybody's just making zines?

They're on coke. Yeah. No. It's because of the. incredible customer service from Jerry Cantrell, manning the desk. I see Gregis in you. Yeah.

The only other thing was just like, I don't feel like that hockey player's kid would be a fucking neurologist. Which is like, don't let my dad play. It's like, come on. Yeah, I don't feel like my son would do this now. He's 16 and a half.

Wow. Yeah. So number one, would they have even fired Jerry over the memo? Would he even be fired? Yeah. You think so? Yeah, because as Sean said,

they're all sharks. I think also it's like if you look at the memo and you think about it, it's more that he's having a breakdown. Yeah. More than like what he's suggesting. But if Jerry is Drew Rosenhaus, Lee Steinberg, if he's that type of powerful agent that we're led to believe that he is, you just cut bait with him.

But Bob Sugar's taking his corner. I think that's the bigger thing. The game itself. Yeah. For that, for the, shouldn't that have been like a playoff game or shouldn't have been like a like in the Super Bowl? Well, they're trying to Cardinals trying to make the playoffs kind of was a playoff game because they've been so bad for 20 years.

They say also that they had to win that game and next week's going to get into the playoffs. It's the only things I thought about. Really, I don't have any nits. I love to. A couple that you hit on earlier. No contract, signed contract from Cushman going into the draft is insane. Yeah. I know they need it for the storyline.

And then Tidwell's stats. So first class is what's wrong, buddy. It used to be a better meal. Now it's a better life. Just not true. Just like, come on. A line that sounds great, but I just disagree with it. What do you disagree with?

It is a better life? I think at all points it was a better life. Like, go watch a madman episode when they're in first class, just fucking pounding drinks and hitting stewardess. I think the difference is that coach was also pretty nice back then, right? Yeah, maybe. The famous line, you complete me in the elevator is actually incorrect in sign language, apparently.

The boyfriend said, you make me feel complete. and some sign language people are up in arms on sign language Reddit. You're a mod on there. What's it been like lately? A lot of CR heads there. I thought Rod may have invented the Lambo Leap. So I did some research. And apparently not.

December 1993, Randy Jordan. At Lambo? Created it. Yeah. So there you go. Sequel, Prequel, Prestage TV, all black cast or untouchable.

Crow said in February 2021 he had been approached to making a sequel and felt like any continuation had to focus on Ron Tidwell and his life with Marcy but at that point that's 25 years later I've said this a million times

I thought he missed a window of spinning off the Tidwells into a show late 90s HBO show I think it would have crushed it's a great idea should be a sequel I got a prequel idea what's the prequel

I want to learn more about Jerry and his family, right? His dad and all that stuff like that. The show is called Barry McGuire. Fox. That's the show, Barry McGuire. Bravo? It's like a This Is Us. It's like a This Is Us style family drama that's going to end with the death of Jerry's father.

Very McGuire. Barry McGuire. I like it. It's the show. My wife would watch four episodes of that. I think a prequel Jerry McGuire super agent movie would be awesome. My sequel is around that. It's called The Agency.

And it's his new company. It's his new company, and he's let his ambition get the worst of him. But his new mentee is Ray. And he's been working with Ray. And they're rising and rising. And they're in a final battle with their long-term nemesis Bob Sugar to secure the services of one show Hey Otani for the biggest contract in North American sports history.

And then it turns out Ray has been stealing from Shohei. Yeah, he's been... I've got like $30 million. Then Shohay's like, I need to have a catch with Ray to see how genuine you are. And Ray's like...

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Traos, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, evil laughing, Ramon, Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall.

I was thinking that Sam Jackson should play Bob Sugar. It's real! You should say something, motherfucker. And also just Bob Sugar, Sam Jackson doing all those phone calls

would be unbelievable. That would be great. Yeah. Harling Mayer. Byron Mayo, would you throw him in there? Well, Byron Mayo with the divorced women's group. Chicago Starishing. Ladies.

Byron Mayer was the lady? What's with all the trauma? What if he was the Mayotte? Just one Oscar who gets it. Well, Cuba Good and got it. If you only had to hand out one, would you do that that way again? No. Cruz?

I would give it to Cruz, but also it's interesting because now, Zellweger, Regina King. Everybody's got one. You know, they've all got one now, and he doesn't have one. Nuts. Probably in answerable questions. I was on a bunch of texts with Sally yesterday. What was the line on Cowboys Cardinals? Cardinals are rolling at that point, right?

But the Cowboys had won the championship. I think the year before. Yeah, there's this Barry Switzer era. I guess 3.5, Cowboys by 3 and 1⁄2 and Sousand minus 4. So I think we're somewhere in that neighborhood. Not sure which one. We'll never know. Fewer clients, less money.

Is that really the answer, Sean? I don't think you're allowed to say the phrase less money in an agency. Yeah. What was Avery's job? She, like, worked, I think, in marketing for the NFL. She was handing out shit, though. Yeah.

She was literally putting shit on. the table. Like, to me, to me, it didn't seem like she was that big of a deal. It seemed like PR, I thought. But it's also like the 90s, so it's not like, maybe it's still like a little bit of a small business. Yeah. Can I ask a question?

Yeah. Did, did Rod Tidwell learn about his new contract from the TV host? Yes. Yes. What is that, does that? It was to create a moment. That's like insane. Yeah.

But that would never, ever happen. Yeah. Well, Jerry set it up. When you, before, before, when you look at the movie. Jerry planned for that. To make him cry. He says, I'm not going to cry. Then Roy Firestone says whatever.

And then you see Jerry start to smile because he knows he's about to tell him about the contract and he's going to cry. Okay. He's crying because it wasn't enough money. It should have been like $18.2 million. What do you have for Best Double Future Choice? Moneyball.

I wrote the apartment because that's the movie that inspired this movie. Collateral. Oh. Oh, yeah. Evil Tom. Black friend. Black friend. Collateral.

Yeah. Yo, homies on my briefcase? Yeah. I asked, I deferred my choice to my wife because she loves Jerry McGuire. And I was like double feature choice. And she said, for Mother's Day? Yeah. That's how I roll.

She said Bridget Jones's diary or love actually would be her. Jesus Christ. So she thinks more rom-com, the sports movie. The Indian Reds-Reads-A award for what happened the next day. So we got multiple components of this. How long were Jerry and Dorothy actually married and did they have kids? Seven years, one kid. I wrote Dorothy and Jerry get pregnant is my answer, so I think they have at least one kid.

Seven years, but then divorced? Divorce, yeah. It's tough beat. It is. Look, don't feel bad for her. She's still like 34. She can find another one. She's great.

But Jerry gets Ray in the divorce? They stay close. Yeah, I think they stay close, but it's never the same. Ray changes his last name. He gets adopted. Ray McGuire. Ray McGuire. Do you think that Dorothy had equity in the new company?

I would hope so. I would hope so as well. just left her job how many points in there's nothing in paper you know like Jerry McGuire was a handshake business you should be anything in college yeah and then tidwell how did that play out

well I was going to ask like sorry to go back to answerable questions but like what's Jeremy's commission on tidwell like Jerry's not in the clear the idea is not that much money the idea is that Jerry's also going to sign other clients when they see any broad fucking crying in Jerry's arms it's 5%

of 11.2 million but that's paid over the course of four years. And he was flying to every game. It's like 500K total. Yeah. It's like 100 something a year. I mean, it's money that they can really use, but it's not. Yeah, it's more about the fact.

It's the stepping stone to him rebuilding his agency. And what's good for Rod is what's good for Jerry is. So does Rob play out that entire contract? Yeah. Or does you get concussed in the second year? Well, that's the thing. I think there's a world where it gets dark for Rod Tidwell. But then Rob becomes a celebrity, so I'm assuming that Rod gets more endorsements.

Yeah. Reality show. Reality show. The Tidwells does happen. The whole thing. And then Jerry and Rodder together forever. Yeah. When Glenn Fry gets fired as GM and the next guy's like, this isn't my problem.

Like we're shipping you to Detroit. Rod has a podcast now where he's like, Patrick Mahomes is fucking terrible. It's like, it takes going social. Also, Rod Tidwell is a classic Rod Tidwell was a problem guy. You know, like people didn't know. Yeah. Right. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

I chose the opers, Miles Davis, John Coltrane tape Very funny scene Just like that soundtracking the sex scene The door opening and him standing there like this While the Mingus is going What do you have? Tidwell's Arizona State Jersey I would have said the Tidwell jersey

Or in the office Before Jerry got fired There's an amazing Sean Kemp Oh yeah Stand-up cut out That I stare at every time I've never seen it on eBay It's fantastic.

What do you have, Van? I want the VHS of Jerry's Bachelor Party B-down situation. Okay. Yeah. Coach Finstock, or Best Life Lesson. It's not show friends. It's show business.

That's it. So you guys, after a two-hour podcast, have arrived at Bob Sugar was right. That's not the takeaway from the movie about how to live in the world, but it's the takeaway from you're a sports agent. Yeah. Like, what else is Bob Sugar supposed to?

do. So we all think Cruz won the movie? Yes. Yeah. Nobody wants to make a Cuba Gooding case. No.

Or a Crow case? Cameron Crow gets to make basically an autobiography for a movie because of this movie. Is Vanilla's God before or after? It's still Cruz. It's still Cruz. It's like five years after.

Yeah. One of the reasons I think it's Cruz, we've talked about this on the pot a lot, but I just like when sometimes actors need to take roles like this. Just like, play the hits, man. Just play a character that's close to you and be a huge star.

Yeah. You know? Oh, it's after. Oh, and after you. That advice does not go to Will Smith and Martin Lawrence for Bad Boys 4. Maybe I draw the line. You'll be there. No, I won't.

Yes, you will. I won't. I'm upset. I'm upset about Axel F. I'll tell you that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That one is going to be all-time bad.

Yeah. Sometimes. It's not like Cop 3. It was so good, though. Cop 3 is terrible. Awful. Top three was an abomination. Craig, Jerry McGuire, what did you think?

I've seen Jerry McGuire many times, but not in a while. It's just one of those movies where when it ends, I'm like, this is the best movie ever made. You're just like so on, because it hit, it's so rare that it hits with the, it hits like a sports movie. When Rod gets up in the end zone or when the hug in the locker room, you're like ready to run through a wall. And then it ends with the like romantic heartstring rom-com thing. So it's just so impressive that it's like a sports movie. movie in Iran. I was ready to like propose again and then also go to the gym.

That would have been a great poster quote. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I don't know. Crow is so good at all the little stuff. Like all the little human elements. I love Cruz in the car or Jerry in the car trying to, he's so pumped up he wants to sing, but he can't find the song. He keeps trying to get into the song. He's like, this one doesn't really hit. And then he finds free falling.

Like little stuff like that is so great. But that's why I think the movie really works because it's aware of itself. It's aware that in every other movie, he gets in and the perfect song is playing. But the movie is saying, hey, this is melodrama, but this is actually kind of real life.

So that doesn't happen in real life. And then I'll finish with just like, this is what the show Ballers should have been. Like, I wish they went way more, like human beings, relationships, and less, like, were roided out. They leaned way too far into, like, the entourage party element of it.

And I wanted more actual business, sports agents, relationships, all that stuff. That's why Tidwell is such an important character in this sports movie kind of legacy. Because it goes wrong almost all the time. Ballers is a good example. Ballers suck. Ballers is terrible. It's bad.

And most of the time, these things go badly. Well, like, that's what to me? I never, I've only watched one episode of it. It wasn't for me. I didn't watch me. Yeah. Didn't you, like, recap Ballers for like three seasons? No.

You didn't do that? Uh-uh. He was in the fewer pods last month. Definitely did not. All right, fellas. This was fun. Thanks for doing a live podcast here in The Ringer Movies. Thanks for watching.

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