The Rewatchables - ‘Knocked Up’ With Bill Simmons, Juliet Litman, and Craig Horlbeck

Episode Date: June 7, 2022

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Coming up on this podcast, was it weird when you change your name from Kat Stevens? Was it? Knocked Up is next. Have you heard about Knocked Up from the director of the 40-year-old virgin? I'm pregnant. Congratulations. You are the father.

Rolling Stone calls Knocked Up hilarious in ways you have to see to believe. I'm going to be there to rear your child. You hear that, Ben? Don't let him near the kid. He wants to rear your child. Knocked Up is the comedy of the summer and maybe the year. He has man boops. What does that end?

It's uproarious. It's going to be cold and you're next. Knocked up, rated R in theaters June 1st. All right, my name is Bill Simmons. I'm here with Julia Lippman and Craig Horlebeck getting called up to the big leagues. How many years were you producing? Two and a half, three at this point? I don't even know.

That's at least three. Yeah. It's three. Well, we're trying to do more moves. movies from the last 15 years, because the people have made it clear, you know what's cool? Movies from the last 15 years. We're not going to stop doing the older movies, too, but we did, there's a lot of good ones left. One of them was knocked up a weirdly important rom-com from 2007.

So here's my theory, guys. Okay. The rom-com boom, hugely formative to our friend Juliet here. Absolutely. I'm going to say 1989 to 2005 is the rom-com boom. It starts with when Harry met Sally. goes all the way through the mid-2000s. We have pretty women.

We have Meg Ryan and Julie Roberts and St. Joaquake and Reese Witherspoon, aka Mount Romcom Moore. We've Nancy Myers. We're doing all these different variations. And then around 2005, there's this new type of movie. It's a Com Rom.

It's a comedy that also has the romance, right? I feel like Mean Girls might have been the first one that figured out we're going to be more funny than romantic but we're also going to have the romance. And then you look at this era of the next seven, eight years. Mean Girls, 40-year-old virgin, wedding crashers, knocked up, Sarah Marshall, EZA, Bridesmaids. That's from 2004 to 2011.

Craig, these are all movies in your wheelhouse. The Comrom, do you like this theory? I love it because it's instead of a romance that has comedy, it's a comedy about romance. I'm trying to think of the difference between these movies. Is that the new ones are focused on men? The men are the kind of the focuses and the early ones that's focused on the women? Yeah, what, Juliet, would you say like, there was just for, what, 17 years, it was like, here's this, here's this female, she can't find love, there's some sort of obstacle. You and me and Wesley have talked about this forever. I mean, we were in the Grant Land. We did like our rom-com Hall of Fame pod. And I think it started a shift towards like, hey, the guys are kind of interesting too. How do we work them in? Yeah. And that's kind of when it became the Comrom era. Yeah, it flipped the perspective. Like, the first era that you mentioned, you know, Woody Allen's a huge piece of that, like whatever, whatever you think about him.

But I think that's the sort of the Annie Hall of it all can't be ignored fully, though it's obviously very complicated. But from there, it really moved into being these female writers. And Nancy Myers is like better as a writer than as a director. And like her perspective in Nora Ephron, obviously, who's my personal God, they have, you know, this really specific lens through which they see them. And they happen to be women. And then Jud Appetow comes to town with his crew and changes that.

I think, I mean, 40-year-old virgin, that was 2005, right? So that really flipped it. But the mean girls won before we go down this, I feel like, Bill, you're breaking one of your own rules. I would say that's a teen movie, not a com rom. Oh, interesting. So I was thinking, like, Tina Faye wrote that. And even though it is a teen movie, you're right.

That's not a rom-com. I don't think it's a rom-com. It's really funny and smart. I guess that's my point is they decided to all of it. Not that when Harry Metzally, by the way, wasn't smart, but it did have like a structure to it. it, right? Yeah.

By the way, I'm glad you brought up the Woody Allen stuff because those are the movies I grew up with as a kid, right? Like, one of the best ones was starting over with Bert Reynolds, which Craig has not seen. It was him. He's in kind of a love triangle with Candace Bergen and Jill Clayberg. It's set in Boston. It's got, it feels like a very early prototype of these Apatow movies. I think the thing Apatow figured out on wedding crashers and mean girls and some of these

other things was they became genuinely funny. Yeah. You know? I think when Harry Metzalley is genuinely funny, I don't think like Pretty Woman, any of like the Meg Ryan, Tom Hanks movies, my best friend's wedding is funny, but it's not like,

it's not like hilarious. It's not like you could tell there were Harvard Lampoon people in the background, rewriting scenes and stuff, you know? You're like feeling good watching them, like your spirits are high and like there's like a lot of momentum to them,

but you're not like necessarily laughing out loud. But Harry Metzallie is an anomaly because the writing is so, so sharp. and also like it has a real vibe to it, the Harry Connick Jr. music, like all of that, which separates that from many of the other rom-coms that were in that era from 89 to 05. And it uses New York too as like a real character,

which was the Woody Allen trick. Yeah, totally. And it also, it like allowed archetypes to be a part of the movie without becoming cliche. Like it was nuanced, which I think is just so frequently lost. But to your point,

it's a totally different kind of comedy. and as a result, a different type of feeling. Yeah. As we talk about Knocked Up, though, I'm really excited to get some male perspective at some of the things that made me just want to die. Yeah, by the way, if anybody wants to email me any questions, just shoot me an email at Craig at Fleshof the Stars.com.

I'll get back to you. Craig, in my era, we called them Chick-Fix. And I don't remember when that flipped to rom-com, Juliet. What was that? Like maybe mid-late 2000s, all of the... sudden it was like, can't call out that anymore. Now it's almost like, it's, they're just kind of date movies now, right? These movies that try to have something for everybody who's on the date. And I think, I think one of the things I really appreciate about this kind of wrong, this com rom-a-a-a-tow

era is just, I love the scenes when the guys are all hanging out. Yeah, it's the best. Agreed. The best scenes of the movie. Yeah, I mean, these type of movies, I feel like other than, like, very different from the rom-coms in the 90s is like the stupid men in the a otts like these idiot 22-year-old men judd figured out how to like put them in a rom-com and make it work and it allowed people like myself to relate to it and we didn't think it was a chick flick we would go see the movie for that but then stay you know because you kind of this movie really is the first half is like kind of a bunch of idiots hanging out and then the second half it's way more rom-comy and it really slows down it's much less funny and it's much more kind of heartwarming and charming yeah i mean the apatow he did it in 40-year-old version too

which we've already done. But he just had this sense. And it was something you just didn't see in movies enough and definitely you didn't see in TV shows that I always felt like there's not enough stuff about like how when my friends and I are all hanging out, we just bust each other's balls. And that's it.

We're just in a room and it's like a fantasy draft. We're playing poker. We're watching a movie, whatever it is. And all we're doing is making fun of each other for five hours. And I don't see that in movies. And Apatow was one of the first ones who was just like, I totally get it.

I think he had a lot of young people that either worked for him or were in his infrastructure, right? Like Jason Segal and Seth Rogen, all those dudes, they were just young. And he was smart enough to go, I'm going to latch on to these younger people because they get like what's funny right now

and he just kind of wrote it, right? Yeah, and they're all like young, relatable people. It's just like really hard. Like Apatow nailed it and no one's nailed it since, really. It kind of went away. I think casting is a huge part of it. Like getting those like five guys, Barrelshell, Siegel, Hill,

all of them. Like, they were all like 25 or like 23 in this movie. It's just really impressive that they all happened at the same time, like a young core. And they just, you could just let them go. Let them improvise those half the scenes. And all of those movies are improvised. Well, they were in freaks and geeks and undeclared together, too. So they were like had, had the vibe.

And 40-old version, a lot of them. Yeah. Like, it was, you know, this was like not their first time together. But it's like, it's like a basketball team that has continuity. Like, they have a chemistry together. They know how to play off each other. They're not starting over. And that's why.

they're able to have that camaraderie that's really hard to capture. And they really figured out the keep going, ad lib, I'll keep the camera on it. Apatow shot like a million feet of film for this thing. He would just shoot and shoot and let these guys just keep going

and kind of not where it was going. Adam McKay and Will Ferrell and those guys are kind of doing the same thing at the same time. And I just, this was just a really exciting time for comedy. I mean, even if you look at the stuff Apatow did, just the stuff he produced

from 05 to 11. This is just stuff he was involved with as a producer. 40-year-old version, Tal Dagan Nights, knocked up, Super Bad, walk hard, Sarah Marshall,

Stepbrothers, Pineapple Express, year one, funny people, get him in the Greek and bridesmaids. Unbelievable. That's in eight years.

It's an incredible run. It's incredible. That's got to be the best comedy producing run on anyone's hat. Yeah. It's unbelievable. And to end with bridesmaid. And bridesmaids is the mic drop,

right? Where he takes shit in this movie, specifically for your, what's up with that female character that you built your movie around. Julia, you want to do your biggest scrape now about this? Sure. I mean, yeah, this is a fun movie.

I enjoyed it. I'm rewatching it. I was like, oh, this is a good movie. I forgot. The character of Allison is ridiculous. She has no friends. She is not fun. She is pretty flat and just, like,

doesn't get to have a good time. The fact that, like, the friendship is like such is the most fun part of this movie. And she literally has zero friends is so, so shocking. Yeah, her only friend is her sister who she lives with.

Who sucks. Who she says is unhappy. Like she doesn't have anyone else to go out with when she, except for her older married sister. And that to me was like the most stunning part. I was like, does Judd happen to think that women don't have friends? Like the only men can have like this really loving adult friendship.

Like I was so baffled by that on my rewatch. I'd kind of forgotten about it. And he took shit for it too. Yeah, it's one of those notes that if you just one person like, hey, she should probably have a scene where she's going out with their girlfriends, right? Like, nobody has no friends. Yeah, it's also funny because to make the comparison back to rom-coms, the best friend is a crucial part of all of those women-driven rom-coms from 89 to 05.

I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about 27 dresses later. Judy Greer is in that movie. And she is like one of the iconic best friends. like her, Heather Burns, like, and, you know, and Princess Leia, Carrie Fisher. Like, those are, you know, those people are essential to many rom-coms, and that I think is the biggest pitfall in this movie, in my opinion. Well, Jud was also clearly obsessed with, like, the Rudd and Leslie Mann aspect of it as well. I mean, the movie's already too long, so he probably couldn't figure out how to fit in,

giving Allison any friends. But, like, halfway through this movie, the movie pretty much becomes like a Rud and Man movie by the end of it. It's, like, half about them. Yeah. When did Judd think that he wanted to do this as 40? Was it halfway through filming the movie? And then he was like, oh, I actually, I think I'm more interested in Judd and man than I am Seth Rogen and Catherine Hegel.

I mean, there's such a, you could psychoanalyze that piece to the death, right? It's his wife and his two kids, but with Paul Rudd, not playing him because Paul Rudd's like a record. What is he on like a record? He's running a record label. He's a music manager. Yeah, music manager. But he's just a proxy for Judd. It seems like he's a proxy for Judd.

And so then you see like the Leslie Mann characters mean to Paul Rudd in this movie and also meet to him and this is 40 and it's like what are you trying to tell us or or is this just a complete coincidence. Like I don't know if I made if I made a movie about like a guy who had a podcast and helped run a digital media company and then the kids were the were played by my kids and then my wife was played by my wife who was an actress. but she was just kind of brutalizing the male character who was obviously me. It would be, yeah, it's like, what's going on here? And like the whole movie,

Rudd is like, you know, they're sitting at the park bench and he's like, yeah, man, I don't care about anything. Like kids care about bubbles. He's just like,

I don't care about anything. It's like, Judd's really going through something. Yeah. I think a more twisted one is actually funny people because Eric Banna is, like, you know,

the hot guy in it. And in knocked up, he talks about like how amazing Eric Banna is and how he like, he's done it all for the Jews. And then, you know, Adam Sandler and Leslie Man are having the affair, right? And so I feel like that's actually like a weird fantasy of like, that's like the flip side. This is 40 or something like that. There's a lot to unpack there. But yeah, that was interesting. I mean, in fairness to Judd, and I do think this is the answer.

I think you take tiny pieces of something. And when you're creating something else from scratch, you're grabbing like this little piece here, this little piece there. So we're watching and like, oh, this guy's the proxy. I don't, I don't think Paul Rudd's the proxy, but I'm, it's hard to know where the stuff bleeds over. I think the fact that he used his kids is so fascinating, because first of all, they're really good in this movie. They're great. Second, Maude is like a legitimately good actress now. I mean, she's grown up, Maude is now on, I think, one of the most important shows for people under 25. It's like Stranger Things in Euphoria. And she has this crucial role in Euphoria. It was, it was really weird to

rewatch it with these little kids that we know what's going to happen to one of them. Yeah. Can I throw on one more Judd-Apatoa accolade? Yeah. In that time, that run that we mentioned, he was developing girls, which then came out on HBO in 2012. So it's also

pretty interesting that he, after doing all these movies with the dudes, gave way to bridesmaids and launching Lena Dunham's career. Yeah. And I think it's like a really fascinating evolution. And I think, like, in some ways, for all of the one-dimensionalness of Allison's, not having any friends.

Like, it clearly evolves his work over time, which is cool. Yeah, well, the thing with, you know, some of his movies anyway, is like they'll have these flaws that are pretty glaring. But for the most part, they're so original and so unique. You kind of forgive the flaws, right? This movie's too long. It's fine. I still really liked watching it.

I really, my wife and I watched it in the last 25 minutes. They're like, oh, man, can we just have her have the kid? I think that's probably what's changed now, right? is like they just gave Judd Carplotch, like, do whatever you want. And like, there'll be flaws in it. But within that, there's a lot of great things because they let them do whatever we want. It can be as long as you want. And like, that's just not happening anymore.

Just letting somebody just have full reign to say whatever they want, improvise as much as they want. It just seems like it's, it needs to be too restricted now. Before we talk about Catherine Hago, Craig, explain your generation, the 20-somethings, the Apatow impact. Like, is he just like this whole tree that he created and all the talent that he found, which I think is his greatest talent

other than he's really funny, but just all of these people where over and over again, he's like, I see something in this person. Yeah. I see something in them. I want to create a part for this person. I think I could create a movie for this person

over and over again. I just know when I was a kid, like people like Ivan Reitman, just really revering them as I was like in college, like these guys, oh my God, these guys, Lorne Michaels, people like that.

Is he like that for your generation? 100%. Apatow is like the reason why, every kid I know in their 20s was like, I can write a script. Like, I'm going to try to write a script about my friends. And Apatel gave all these guys their own movie. He like gave Jonah Hill his movie and Superbad. Then he gives Seagull it and forgetting Sir Marshall. This is Seth Rogen's movie. It's honestly the only like body of work that people my age like can reference for like, oh, this is how young people acted. Like most of these movies came out when I was like eighth grade

to like senior year high school. Right. And it was like all we had. This was like, oh, finally. There's just like a bunch of idiots watching family guys smoke. weed. Like, somebody put that on screen. Yeah. There's no apatow now for this next generation. No. Well, they don't make comedy. Comedy is in such a weird place now. And that's one of the reasons every time I watch one of these, I'm just like, this is great. Yeah, that crossed the line. Whatever. Like, it's for comedy, you know? Yeah. I totally agree. You could remove a couple of like the homophobic jokes and stuff like that,

but the movie's still funny. Like, it still holds up. Whatever. They made in 2007. It's not going to be perfect. And you go back 15 years. There's a always going to be stuff that's like, ah, we wouldn't say that now. Yeah. All right. And by the way, Superbad came out two months after this movie. It's crazy. This run just from 07 to 09, he does

knocked up Superbad, Walk Hard, Sarah Marshall, Stepbrothers, Pine Up a year one funny people. That's in three years. That's crazy. That's absolutely insane. That's crazy. Juliet, you're the world's premier hegelologist. Thank you so much.

It means a lot to me. Graze Anatomy, your favorite show ever? Yes. Love it. very much. My Catherine Hagel takes an order. She was gorgeous. Absolutely.

Just from like when she was in my father, the hero on, it's like that person is definitely an A-list movie star. She goes on Grey's Anatomy. She's really good on that. She has this. She's really good in this.

And all the seeds are laid for this is a person who is going to be in our lives in a major way through her 20s and through her 30s. And is there Julie Roberts potential? I don't know. But it just seemed like,

Like, whatever, like, if you're talking about these, like, athletes, and it's like Reese Witherspoon, Young Sandra Bullock and Speed, Julie Roberts and Pretty Woman, you kind of know it when somebody has it. Same way you know it with like, oh, Evan Mobley has it, you know, or Jonathan Cominga and Craig's Warriors, like, oh, that guy's going to be something. And Hegel had it, and what happened? Explain us, is it just too crazy to work with? What happened here?

She torpedoed her own career after this movie came out. So this came in 2007. She gets the big Vanity Fair treatment ahead of 27 dresses in 2008. And the Vanity Fair treatments are really big deal for a leading lady in Hollywood. Sandra Bullock got it right after speed but leading, or yeah, after speed but leading into while you were sleeping. Julia Roberts has had several Vanity Fair covers. Like it's a big deal for the wrongcom leading lady. So you're talking to the big cover, Annie Leibovitz, huge feature.

a couple like quotes that might make news, but just like this person is a huge deal and we spend a million dollars on the photo shoot. Yes. And I think it was written by Leslie Bennett's, I believe. And in this article, she manages to insult basically everyone that then and still matters in what she wanted to be doing.

She says that she can't be proud of knocked up because of the sexism in it, which she then had to walk back on Howard Stern. Wait, she said, she said it's a little sexist. She had a hard time enjoying the film. And she said, quote, paints the woman as shrews as humorless and uptight,

and it paints the men as lovable, goofy, fun-loving guys. Some of that's true. This was the movie that made her a major star. Whether she felt that way or not, it was within nine months of the movie, she's basically undermining. And Seth Rogen said he loved working with her and they had a great time

and had good chemistry and he thought they were going to work. He was like wounded. Well, he seems like a nice guy. She went on Howard Stern to like clarify to like issue a retraction and say she like loved Judd and Seth. But there was that. And so that obviously, you know, never invited back to the Judd-Apatow repertoire. And then in the same article, she talks about Grey's Anatomy, how in season four, which I just want to tell everyone, it's currently, it just wrapped last week, season 17, so it's continued. She said in season four that her storyline in which she has an affair with T.R. Knight's character was a rating.

play and the show is no spontaneity and it wasn't good anymore. In season four. She also basically had just gotten a promotion. She was a bit player and she was getting $300,000 or excuse me, she got $300,000 for knocked up, which is insane. But she was not making that much money. Well, her movies before knocked up, it's pretty brutal.

It's like Zizik's Road and it's just like five bad ones in row. Anyway. And then her movies after also was still quite bad because she ruined her career. But anyway, she just goes after Shonda. as well. And Shonda Rhymes does not suffer fools. She does not suffer insults. She does not suffer drama. And Catherine Hegel was, uh, continued on the show for a few more years. I think she had a, uh, contract. But her storylines were insane. And then when she was, when she left, she was not allowed back. Like she, so many of the people on the show have come back or, or whatnot. And she is just banished.

And this vanity fair article, like, ruined her career. But it was her own quotes. Like, there's no way to say like it was taken out of context because she was like, like verbose and she spoke a lot. These are long, long, just like sentences that she gives. It's pretty stunning. I can't really think of a parallel. Well, and then from the Graves Anatomy standpoint, I mean, she wasn't as big as Alan Pompeo in that show, but it felt like she was the second most or third most important person on the show, right? Antoni Paul and Patrick Dempsey. Then Hegel was right underneath them and also pretty famous and almost like the Juliana Marguiles of T.E.R. kind of role. At the end of season two, Denny, who's played by Jeffrey

Dean Morgan, dies, and she lies on the floor in the bathroom and this really beautiful gown. And that became, like, the iconic scene for years of just, of television in general. And that's when Gray's was super popular. And so she did become super important because she had, like, this really emotional and visually stunning scene. And she just blew it. And she also was like, she just waded into a lot of drama. She also, she defended. T.R. Knight who was called by Isaiah Washington. But Isaiah Washington was also banished

as a result of that. Like, you know, they ran a tight ship there. And it's just, it is stunning. It's also a huge bomber for the show because not ever having her come back, like has a lot of holes. But anyway. They never filled that like younger female star part, right? No.

They had a couple people come in and out. Sandra O. was on the show, obviously for a long time. She was wonderful. But no one ever really filled that to your point. And I don't, it's still a great show, but, you know, it's stunning. People really thought she was like, in this article there, like, she's the next big thing. Like, you just know when, when someone has it. She has it. Like, she was making plans start a production company. She was doing all of the things that you do. Like, she was doing all the things

that Seth Rogen was also doing, except, like, he has now moved from not only being an incredibly successful actor and producer and now weed purveyor. And she's doing nothing. She's on an awful Netflix show that I couldn't get through and I can watch anything. Craig, when you're on the cover of Vanity Fair for the fantasy football podcast this fall, if you have quotes shitting on the rewatchables, you're fucking banished like Catherine Igo. Just I want you to know that. Don't worry. Don't worry.

The one thing with her, I'm going to do this now. I had that category for later, the Stephen A hottest take award. Okay. I'm just going to do mine now. You guys can do yours when we get to the category. Okay. I just think her and Lohan are the two lost superstars from this decade. I think Lohan should have been, we talked about this in the Mean Girl podcast,

I just think she should have been Julie Roberts for the next decade, you know, and she was such a good actress, and she was so pretty, and she had such charisma to her. And it just, you know, she had a lot of other issues. The Catherine Hegel thing is so much weirder. You can't even blame, like, substance. It's just like she, would she burn the apatouille, crew and Shonda Rimes, there's kind of no going back. Nobody's going to be like, I can't wait to work with that person, you know? Yeah. I think she also must have had bad people around her because

the scripts that she did take on were pretty bad. Like, I was rewatching 27 dresses, which is probably her second biggest movie. It's bad. It's not even, like, I would put it in the same category as like picture perfect with Jennifer Aniston, which is like one of the most abominable movies of all time. Like, yeah, it's the script isn't good. It's not smart. It's so derivative. It reminds me it's kind of like a cross between hitch and how to lose a guy in 10 days essentially. And like it's just a really shitty movie. Like she didn't have a good picker. She must have gotten lucky with both grays and knocked up essentially.

And I just think that she didn't have good people. I mean, her mom was her manager, which I think is always a tough, a tough look. Bad sign. So one thing that was interesting. Well, two interesting things from the Hegel thing. One was that Apatow, it turned into like a little bit of what's going on with the Apatown. female characters. And he ended up saying, all right, I'm going to take this more seriously.

I hear the criticism. The other one was Apatow and Rogan kind of came back at her. Like they went on the Howard Stern show in July 2009 when they were promoting funny people. And Rogan at one point, he pointed to Hegel's work in the movie The Ugly Truth, which is terrible. Terrible. And he's like, I hear there's a scene where she's wearing underwear or the vibrator in it.

So I have to see if that's uplifting for women. They were just like throwing stuff. Apatow said he had expected an apology from her, and he said you would think at some point I'd get a call saying she was sorry, she was tired, the call never came. And I think when she apologized publicly, even Rogan said, I appreciate that she apologized, but I didn't expect it to come publicly.

I wish it was private. Right, and it was way later than normal, too. He seems so nice, and, like, no one ever said a bad thing about Seth Rogan. So, like, I have to imagine that she's, like, really evil to have Pissed him off. Not evil. I don't, sorry, not evil, but it's a severe, it's a severe rupture. Like, that's, I just feel like no one's ever said anything bad about Seth Rogen and like everyone likes him and he likes everyone. So it's pretty bad. It's pretty significant. And the working experience for Judd's movies generally seems pretty easygoing and fun and inclusive. If you want to

change a scene, like feel free like we can do as many takes as you want. It feels like a very, you know, open environment. I also do think he took the criticism to heart. Like we were saying before, by, you know, evolving into girls and bridesmaids. And it's like, that's a significant evolution. Also, in 2009, I was working. Train wreck. Yeah. I was working on a book and he edited it.

I worked when I was working in publishing. And so, like, I spent like a day with him. And like he kept being asked, like, who do you like in comedy? And he like, without a doubt always said Lena Dunham. He didn't mention anyone else. Like he was just trying to like, and this was like 2009 or 10, I think right after tiny furniture. And he was like, to your point about like trying to find new people.

He was really focused on like also like elevating the. the voice of a young woman. And so I do think he learned from that. Yeah. Well, Hegel, she gets banished from Grey's Anatomy, which is rough because she always could have had the move where she came back for like season 12, right? Just for big bucks. Did Izzy die in the show?

What happened, Izzy? Okay. I'm so glad you asked. This is one of the most offensive thing that's ever happened in my TV life. Izzy is still alive. Apparently she's moved to like Kansas or something. Alex was her husband on the show. She just left him one day.

Alex got banished. I don't know what happened. That's played by Justin Chambers. This was two and a half years ago. Justin Chambers' storyline was wrapped up. He didn't get to come back. He did voiceover about how he moved to Kansas, wherever Izzy was,

where Izzy, it turned out, had had twins with their frozen embryos, and he had just found out. So he decided to go be the father and husband in that family, though he was married on the show. And they hate Catherine. and Hegel and now Justin Chambers so much that for an hour, he's doing voiceover and like reading a letter and you're like seeing like flashbacks. And they show these like body doubles in bed of like what their life is now like in Kansas. But you don't see any faces. It's just like the backs of people like some blonde and like little kids. And it's like you're supposed to be looking at Alex and Izzy, but you see no faces and you don't hear her voice at all. It is insane. It is the biggest fuck you to those two actors. I love the way.

people are written off shows. I think that's such a fascinating part of Hollywood is when, like, showrunners or directors or writers, whatever, like how they decide to write off people they hate is really funny. It's like at the end of S&L, like how close the cast stands to the host is like how much they like them. I love the way writers kick people they don't like off shows. Our beloved Nato Tuna no had that with Shannon Doherty, where they sent her to London for acting. It's just never heard from a good... Somebody should make a ranking of like the worst, like, ways actors have been kicked off shows. Um, Izzy also did get really bad

storylines. Like, she was having sex with a ghost, but it turned out she had a brain tumor that was like giving her these delusions. Oh my God. And she had all this crazy shit. It's like they were torturing her. All right. So this movie, $25 million for knocked up,

made $219 million. It's like one of his most successful. Like top three, I think, right? Yeah. No Roger Eber review. I think Raj might have been, he might have been having some health issues around this time.

But, uh, so I'll go. Emily Nussbaum always loved her. She was the New York editor at the time. Eventually went at the New Yorker. Remember, I tried to hire her from Grantland once. Didn't work out. Didn't happen. Guess what?

She was in a great spot. She said, Allison, Hegel's character, made basically zero sense. She was just a completely inconsistent character, this pleasant, blandly hot, peculiarly tolerant, yet oddly blank, nice girl. She seemed to have no actual needs or desires of her own. And there was a lot of like think PC stuff like that about what is this character? Why are the guys so much more developed than the girls this? Anyway, we have a lot to cover with the categories. We have some new categories that we're still working in and we're going to take a break. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market Food's Market Food's Market Food's Market Food's Market, New Whole Foods, Market, Peac, Apricot, Rose, Italian soda. Perfect for a picnic or brunch. As is, is their trending mango, Yuzu chantilly cake. But if you're on the go, new 365 strawberry pretzels make a great sweet snack. That sounds delicious. Get savings with yellow sale signs storewide and everyday low prices on 365 brand items. Enjoy the fresh flavors of spring. Save at Whole Foods

Market. All right. Most rewatchable scene. I'd just say you know, nothing delights me more than a bunch of guys making fun of a friend for some sort of them making fun of Martin the bearded guy you could have given me an hour and a half of it Craig late john lennon martin scorcese on coke cat stevens after he changed his name to yusuf islam shoebomber richard reed it just keeps going and going you can tell they were ad-libbing half of them you look like robin williams knuckles it's just it just never got not funny you're supposed to be tempted into shaving your face looks like robin Williams' knuckles. You guys aren't allowed to make fun of me.

It's not part of the rules. Martin, why didn't you just listen to me when I was explaining the rules? You just looked at me with that blank stereo. It was like talking to a wax statue. People making fun of each other, like guys, like throwing barbs at each other in movies, it just never misses. Yeah, it's the last honest place. I'm still on some text threads with my high school and college saying, and it's same thing.

We're so mean to each other. It's the best. But it's like, that's the last bastion, Juliet. I love Martin, the bearded guy. I love him too. And he's the same guy in everything, right? He's in Silicon Valley. It's like, oh, the same guy.

Yeah. It's not like he's, like, breaking out acting chops. But he figured out his lane and he just nails it. But the Dirty Man Competition, all of that just killed me. The weight loss scene with Kristen Whig is really good. It's really good. It's kind of the first time, like, Wig does her thing on camera. We don't want you to lose weight.

We just want you to be healthy. Okay. You know, by eating less. We would just like it if you go home and step on a scale and write down how much you weigh and subtract it by like 20. And then weigh that much. Just remember. It might be the second best she's been in a movie. It's really good.

It's definitely in contention for Dionne Waiters. It's just a, those two scenes are really funny. We would just like it if you go home and step on the scale and write down how much you weigh and subtract it by like 20. everything about that it's great I mean we can do the nitpick now Catherine Hagel's like skinny

in this movie I don't I didn't really understand though if you need to lose 20 pat I don't know what the point is just to show how awful Hollywood is like I guess I think that's also like

actually a good part about her performance and her in this movie is that like she is so beautiful and so thin and like it's just kind of like any negative feedback

that is like so ridiculous and played for jokes because she's just like kind of perfect But she also looks healthy. She doesn't look like anorexic or whatever. The nightclub scene is just tremendous. The buying the beers thing is great.

All the guys busting on each other. They rank it on Martin somewhere. Hey, Crockett. Still partying with tubs these days? Come on, man. I'm getting it from all angles here. I don't like it anymore. I know.

I don't either. Was it weird when you change your name from Kat Stevens to Yousaf Islam? Yeah, it was really awkward. Oh, man. I got to take off. See a Scorsese on Coke. I got to tell you, this is, if you want to know, like, the fucking recipe for making me laugh

is the dice thing. When they're watching Seth Rogen dancing, I think he's doing the dice thing too much. And it cuts him. That's just like, that's going to nail me every time. I just, I love being in the nightclub with them for that five minutes. That's probably my favorite part. I love your curly hair. Do you put any product in it?

Yeah, it's called Jew. The fucking dice thing murdered me. That's a great scene. And I think Leslie Mann and Catherine Hager are really good in that scene too. I just like, I enjoy all of it. I like how they walk by the bouncer. They set it up for later.

And Siegel's really cooking. This might be one of Seagull's most underrated roles. Him with Leslie Mann is like really funny. How you doing? Good. How are you? Just try not to stare. She's married.

Why do you have to say that? What? It's a shame. You're beautiful. Thank you. She has two kids, too. Shut up! There's nothing to be ashamed of.

You think that's going to stop it from hitting on her. It's not at all. I love kids. Really? Absolutely. I love him. This Segal character, I wish they had brought back for another movie.

It's always great when, like, the non-focus of the movie, the non-leads get to be in them. Like when Segal and Jonah Hill and all these guys just get to be the background guys, they're arguably better. Because they don't have to like be the character who grows. They can just be weird.

And Jason Seagel's like, you know, like, I have chicken pox three times. I can't be immunized. I love him. He's my favorite of the group of this group. I just have always had a soft spot for him. I like when Allison calls Ben to tell him they need to meet and all the guys are doing these obscene gestures in the background.

Another thing that's going to hit my funny bone every time. It's just always going to work. The sex offender website argument, it's just that was high comedy. So good. That's improv too. Yeah. I love the double date.

Hey, I have a really good idea. Why don't the two of you get into your time machine, go back in time and fuck each other? Who needs a time machine? This is my time machine. I'm going to throw you in my Delori and gun it to 88. You are a funny motherfucker, man. Jesus. How can you fight with him?

Look at his face. I just want to kiss him. I think he's cute. I like the way you move. When it's just clear, Seth Rogan and Paul Rudd like each other more than the woman, it's not even close. They're just like, at least we have each other. Great chemistry. Those two.

Yeah. I have a really good idea. One or two, you get in your time machine, go back in time and fuck each other. Because who needs a time machine? And then I have the Vegas trip is really funny because it ties in that whole stretch of the Vegas trip and the Dorman scene when they can't get in the club and Craig Robinson has this whole thing. It's a really good eight minutes. I like them stoned on mushrooms, walk around Vegas. Yeah, Circus away. I enjoy that. Yeah. Anything else? What else do you have?

The fantasy baseball scene is just, I'm like two years away from that happening in my own life. So it really is hitting home nowadays. I wonder if this happened in Judd's life. It had to have been this happened in somebody's life because it's like too good to make up. It's amazing. What the fuck is this? That's our fantasy baseball draft. We said no wives. You're fantasy what?

It's our draft. It's a fantasy baseball. I told you all about this. Got Matsui. Honey, we got Matt Suey. Anything else for you, Julia? I like when she goes to the house for the first time because I feel like that is a very good representation of how annual

would feel. And also, Jonah Hill is so funny in that movie when he's like feels awkward because she's there. He's hilarious in this movie. Another day at the office. It's like Denise Richards nude. Another day of the office. And he has his pat out. Yeah, it's so, and he's watching wild things. I just think he's so funny and awkward in that moment. I particularly love it. They do a great job of like, men and women in their 20s are really not the same age. Men just don't age as quickly as women, don't mature as quickly as women. And so it always goes where it's like, whenever the girl comes to the guy's house, it's just always so much worse. It's always a mess and a nightmare.

And they nailed it. There's five things you're embarrassed by. What do you have for most rewatchable, Juliet? One we didn't mention, actually, when Seth Rogen is interacting with Maude Apatow for the first time at the breakfast table and they're explaining why he slept over and whatever. I think that is hilarious. And I love a good meal scene. I was happy it was breakfast and not dinner. I think that also lays out so much what the movie's about.

That's it for me. I have a, I like the nightclub scene is my favorite. How do I? What's age the best? You mentioned Jonah Hill. I just have him in what's age the best? Like he's just,

even when they're in the hospital when the movie's really dying and for, it's really just limping along and then all of a sudden they're in the wheelchairs wheeling around for a couple of minutes and just, I don't know.

Every time he's on, he's throwing 100 miles an hour. And him yelling. Johnahill yelling has aged the best. He's one of the best yellers in comedy history. Man, my balls are shaved, my pubes are trimmed. I'm ready to fucking rock this shit.

What the fuck, man? If I go in there and see fucking pubs sprinkled on the toilet seat, I'm going to fucking lose my mind. Last time I went to the bathroom, Jay, I took a shit and my shit looked like a fucking stuffed animal. You're embarrassing me in company. You embarrass yourself! Oh, great. I hope you have a great evening.

All right. Yeah, you're right. The adorable Apatow kids we mentioned. Just great job by both of them. Really cute stages for each. I like how they interacted. It felt authentic. The sister relationship, Juliet, between Leslie Mann and Hegel.

Yeah, I thought that was sweet. Yeah, I liked it. Me too. The Mr. Skin rip-off site, which I think is also in what stage the worst, because there might be a generation and be like, what's Mr. Skin? But I thought that was just a funny idea that these guys were working on Mr. Skin site, not realizing that Mr. Skin exist. Yeah. And that's a quick picking knit right now. there's no way they don't know Mr. Skin exist.

Yeah, you're right. There's no way. If all these guys, all they do is like watch porn and watch nude women in movies, they don't know Mr. Skin exists, no way. Yeah, that's a pretty big plot hole. You're right. The randoms in the cast,

like all these people that became bigger, like haters in two seeds. Craig Robinson's in one. Ken Jong had never been in a movie before. Franco and Corel have cameos. Adam Scott. It's like a year before a stepbrothers and he's just a nurse for, you know,

five minutes. BJ Novak, isn't it briefly? Yeah, BJ Novak, it just kind of keeps going and going. The Martin jokes

we mentioned. Did we say Scorsese on Coke? That killed me. That's so funny. Harold Ramos has a cameo as the father.

Yeah. He was really good. Good to see him. The hater, when she's melting down and Hater goes, you look like Dom Deloise.

I don't even know what that means. That made me laugh. The Laramette Tunsel gas mask, I think, is age the best. Because I didn't know what that was at the time. Now we know, Craig, it's the tonsil gas mask. Yeah, it did a lot for people in my generation to get really creative with the way they smoke weed. Yeah.

And then I think the fact that this movie had a sequel that they didn't know they was going to have when they made, this is 40, that it was looming. Which I think is a more complicated movie than this movie. I don't like it as much, but I, you know, it's just, it's a funny bookend movie. Any other, what's the best for you, Juliet? Absolutely. Debbie and Pete's house and the neighborhood of Brentwood looks the same and still fabulous. Also some great coastal California interior design. I loved it.

It is like that really captures that like San Vicentee Brentwood area. Great stuff. Part of me wondered, is that just Judd's house? I know he lives in Brentwood. I wonder if he just filmed where he lived. It's a great way to make some money off it. He did the production fee for his own house? Yeah.

Anything else? I also just think Seth Rogen. I mean, I just feel like, I know that's kind of cheating. We'll talk more about him. But like, he's really sweet in this movie. And when he says he's been to, like, go and check his age. And I was like, wow, he was 25 and this came out. Like, just great stuff.

Craig, what do you have for what stage is the best? Jason Segal loving to be naked. It's a big run for him. After the earthquake, he's fully naked, cupping his junk, and just got a cigarette in his mouth, middle the night. It's the best. And then I just having a referee for. playing ping pong. I didn't understand that, but it's great. Smart. Just having Jay Barrisle set up there. And then my last one was Seth

Rogan's Matthew Fox dig? That ain't really well. Yeah, that felt that felt like intentional. He's like, you know what's interesting about Matthew Fox? Nothing. I liked her response too. I felt like it was like very relatable. She's like, well, I hope no one else agrees or whatever she says. It's my job. That worked out though. He never did anything. One more of what's age the best, I guess, is just that mid-2000s E kind of celebrity infrastructure of those kind of shows where they had really

kind of figured out the formula and they make fun of it with Seacrest we'll get to in a second. I guess we can do that now. Seacrest making fun of himself of being funny. I think it's at what stage the best. It's incredible. I don't understand the young talent in this town. It doesn't make any sense.

I got four jobs. Hell, I'm more famous than half the people we talk to anyway. No one stands up. No one has the balls to sit them down and say, look, just cut the shit. But everybody works for them. They're all in the payroll. They're all sucking the teat.

Nobody sits them down. on eye to eye one on one. It says, cut the shit. And all these stars just fuck it up. That's what they do. They fuck my day up. And it pisses me off. And now I'm sweating.

Okay. You know what? You want us to just come and get you when she gets here. I didn't know he had that in him. I don't think he's done it since. And like he should. Like that is the most lovable he has ever been. It's better than American Idol, Seacrass.

It's better than Kardashian Seacrass. Like, I loved that moment. It was so funny. And making fun, Jessica Simpson is like pitch perfect. That's aged very well, too. Yeah, I'm going to see if she can point out Korea on a map. The new category Slow Ride Award for the Best Needle Drop. I got to go Rock Lobster, the B-52s.

When they go back to the place took up, that was just like, I hadn't heard that one in a while. I was like, oh, rock lobster. What do you got, Craig? Start of the movie, just right out of the gate, shimmy, shimmy, yeah. Completely agree. Oh, baby, I like it, it's perfect for this movie. Yeah, it's also like a little immature, gets the energy up. It's great.

That's what I have to. I completely agree. The Big Cahuna Burger Award for the best food or drink that kind of made you hungry as you're watching. I just like the two beers. I'm going to go with the two beers. They look nice and cold and made me thirsty. When you were bartending, did you ever have somebody reach over the bar and grab two beers? That's an automatic ejection.

Yeah, that person has to go. You're not allowed to do that. Don't reach over the bar. The Den of Thieves, Benny Hano Award for Scene Stealing Location. My wife got super excited during this. The Swingers Diner. Just right there. It was great. It was great to see it. I'm not even sure it's even still open anymore.

Oh, it is. I love the, it was closed for a while, but maybe it opened back up again. They have a swingers joke in the movie, too, when they're driving to Vegas. They're like, you're so money and you don't even know it. I love that. I don't know if that was a what stage is the best best or what stage the worst? Because I don't know if it's swingers, like, if you're under 20, do you even get the swingers joke? Great shot, order award for the best shot of the movie. I have them when they're on mushrooms in Vegas, how they filmed it when they were in the seats. I thought it was really smart. That's good.

When it was like whatever day with the camera. Can we go back to the Benihana Award really quickly? I know this is a speed round. But we just, we must mention Gisha House. I mean, partially owned

by Ashton Kutcher. That was hot. Gisha House was hot for like four years. You're right. And also, there's a lot about that it didn't make sense which we can come back to you and picking Nets.

But I just, I wouldn't be doing my job but I didn't mention Gisha House and the great Ashton Kutcher. Also, the house that they live in, the guys live in, What the hell is? That house is so bizarre. It's like kind of has a huge lot. They have like a massive front yard. It's kind of an amazing place for those guys to live.

Yeah, you're right. I would have assumed it's probably not in an awesome area with the amount of space that they had. It's a Northridge. That pool is fucking disgusting. I would never go near it. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for the weak link of the film. I know you said you like this scene, Craig, the fantasy football scene. I agree with you as a scene. to watch, sure, but this whole fantasy football cheating subplot sidetrack we take for really no payoff at all, I don't know if it was worth it. This is nine minutes in the middle of a movie that is about Seth Rogan and Catherine Haggall's characters, and now we're

trying to figure out of Paul Rudd's cheating or not. I didn't totally get it. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. I think Judd fell in love with that storyline more than the original one halfway through the movie. Yeah, because once it was like, oh, they're going to have the kid. He's like, oh, now what do I do? Yeah. But I just have a lot of issues also with like lying about a fantasy football draft. I don't know. Nobody's relationship is in that kind of shambles where you would feel like you have to pretend you're going to somewhere, but you're actually going to a fantasy draft. It's once a year also. It's once a year. It's a fantasy baseball draft. That's not you're doing it every Tuesday. Yeah. It's like much less offensive than being like, I need to go to the movies to be alone. So yeah.

That one makes more sense. It does. What's age the worst? The Sprint. The Sprit. Trio close up of that, the cell phone. It's rough. It's rough times for the Sprint Trio over the next 15 years. The Chuck Liddell, Randy Cotor, UFC poster, I thought was funny. It seemed like it was from a million years ago. It was on somebody's wall. This movie's 132 minutes.

Yeah. Way too long. There's just too much Leslie Mann-Paul Red stuff. Like, you can cut a lot of that. And there's even a lot of stuff in the middle with Rogan and her that it's all the scenes just drag a little bit because I think it's just because they like to improvise so much if they get a funny joke at the end of a scene they got to keep the whole scene. Yeah.

Another important rom-com trope is montages. There's only one montage in this movie and it's Seth Rogen growing up when he when he moves out of the house, he finally gets the job. I could have used a few more montages. I also think it would have helped understanding some of the relationships if we got more of that. But instead we had to see the sonograms. Where did you?

I wasn't positive if I wanted to put this in what stage the worst, how all the actors who Ben's friends have their actual real names as the names of the characters. I'm going with what age is the worst. I'm going with it with worse. I thought it was weird that Charlie Nye didn't get to have her name, even though she was like part of that group. And Seth Rogen's name is Ben. Yeah.

I think the explanation for that is because they were doing like all this improv beforehand and using each other's names except for his or whatever. But I think that's aged poorly, especially because so many of those actors are now iconic. And so like who they are as real people is now. intrudes on the movie, basically. That's how I felt. Any other what's age the worst? We must discuss Catherine Hegel's wardrobe.

You guys weren't going to bars and clubs, circa 2005, but I was. And when I look back at the, at least not to the ones that I was going to, I can't speak for you, Bill. But her outfits are so of that moment that, like, the style was like this, like, flowy, unflattering shirt that was, like, off in a halter, showed off your boobs, but completely completely covered your stomach, regardless of your weight, with jeans that were too low and also too wide. They always were like wet. She just, her clothes are so of the moment and so unflattering. She looks terrible in that. Like, she's beautiful, but the clothes are terrible.

The guys, too. Well, yeah, that was the backward hat, like giant t-shirt era. Oh, yeah. I have a few more. Can I throw them at you? Yeah. Her prosthetic bump? Really fake looking. I think we've improved prosthetics since then. But like it just was ridiculous. Debbie being anti-vax. That's the pretty weird one. Oh, yeah. Oh, you're right.

That's pretty weird and now it does not play well. Maybe that's this is 50. It's a whole Vax movie. And lastly, they kept saying webpage over and over. Like no one there had actually used the internet before. And they're like, yeah, we're working on a web page. And just like by 2007, people are familiar with it. It's a website.

Yeah, we got it. That's a good point. The Anchorman Flute P-Break Award for best time to go pee because you know it's like a tough stretch of the movie. There's a couple options here. I agree. I am narrowing it down to. Catherine Agile's character goes into labor before they go to the hospital and it turns into this frenetic. I counted seven and a half minutes and then they finally get to the hospital.

It is seven-half minutes that you could cut so easily. You lose absolutely nothing except for the one speech when he yells at the OBGYN, when he just yells the meanest possible stuff because he can't believe the guy at a bar mitzvah. But all right, that's fine. You lose one funny 10-second moment. It's seven-and-a-half minutes of just like nothing's happening. So we got to do that hospital. It's like, I get it if it's a TV show, but this is a movie. This is supposed to be like a finely honed cinematic thing.

So anyway, I would cut that. I would take a long seven-minute pee during that. Maybe even if you could shave. If she's not having a home birth or a water birth, I don't really know why she's getting in the bathtub. Like, I don't get that. Apparently that was based on a real Leslie Mann story, so I'm sure Judd wanted to put that in.

I see. Interesting. Okay, I agree. That whole thing. I also have the hospital stuff was too long. Like... Oh, yeah. I don't know. And also, I didn't need Ken Jong to come back

to have, like, his swan song. I don't know. I just thought the whole thing was too much. Was there a better title for this movie, Craig? No. It's such a good title. Knocked Up is the perfect title for this movie. Juliet?

Well, in other countries, it's called either a little bit pregnant or slightly pregnant because Knocked Up is not a term there. I think Slightly Pregnant's funny. But it doesn't make sense for the movie. No, Knocked Up is great. I think Knocked Up is a fantastic title. I would not change it. Best quote, I'm either going with,

Isn't it weird when you have kids and all your dreams and hopes go out the window? or marriage is like a tense, unfunny version of everybody loves Raymond only a dozen last 22 minutes. It lasts forever. Everybody loves Raymond line is so good. It's so good. I would go at that. I think that's the best quote.

But the belatedly best quote, the book about medals award. This one's really grown on me over the years. If it grows from the ground, it's probably okay. I really like that. That's a good high school yearbook one. All right. I already did my Stephen A. Smith, hottest take about Hegel and Lindsay Lohan. Do you have a hottest take, Craig?

Flesh of the Stars is a better name than Mr. Skin. Ooh. Yeah. I like that. I agree. I agree. That is creepy. That doesn't work at all in my opinion.

Mr. Skin sounds like he's just somebody who got thrown in jail. I like that. Good take. What do you got, Juliet? She should have had an abortion. Oh. Just a question. A smushmore.

There's no question. He's a 23-year-old woman. with zero dollars, no job, doesn't have his own home. And she says in the movie, I don't want this child to define the rest of our lives. Okay, don't have it. Like, that's fine. The movie just ends after 28 minutes. That would be really funny.

Like, what happened to knock that? That's over. Casting what ifs. This is a big one here. Yes. Do you know this one, Craig? Is it Anne Hathaway? Yeah.

Anne Hathaway, originally cast in the role of Allison, dropped out due to creative reasons that Apatow attributed to Hathaway's disagreement with plans to use real footage of a woman giving birth, which apparently they were going to do. Then they couldn't because it turned out they would have had to pay the baby as an extra, even though it was just born and eternal cluster up.

I'm not positive, I believe, that this was the reason she dropped out. I don't know, what do you think, Juliet? Yeah, your spidey senses are pretty good on this stuff. First of all, she would have been excellent in this movie. Like, I just, Hegel was great, but I think Ann Hathaway would have been really good. I would have really enjoyed that. I also just found this emphasis, John Hapid has an emphasis on having to have, like, an actual

crowning and then showing the baby, like, pretty weird. Like, I don't know why that's so important. I guess he was really traumatized by it. That's all I can explain. But I, I think I believe it, because the movies that she, had that came out after Devils Wear Prada were not like huge movies and I think this would have been good for her. Like her next like

pretty important role after Prada in 06 was Rachel getting married and that wasn't until 08. So I believe it. That would have been a nice three in a row. Yeah. Three rewatchables. And said she was in Get Smart. Allegedly Jennifer Love Hewitt and Kate Bosworth auditioned. Allegedly Christine Aguilary did as well.

We know Milakunis auditioned and didn't get it but Jed Apatow remembered her and put her on forgetting Sarah Marshall. She would have been too young, I think, to be that role, the Allison role. She would have been like 22. I don't know. Yeah, I really liked me, Lacuna's though. She's amazing for getting Sarah Marshall, but she's even really young in that. She'd be like three years younger. I don't know. Considering Sarah Marshall's perfect, I think it all worked out. It all worked out, right. I think she could have potentially done it. The, uh, actually, let's take one more break. Okay. More acting awards. The, the Ruffalo Hannah Rubeneck Partridge overacting a word. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give it all you got. I treated you like a son. You fucking stand me in the heart. Fuck you. Picktail stoner girl, I don't know. What's her name? Charlene Yee. I said the same thing.

I heard you were pregnant. Um, aren't you scared? Wait, it's going to come out of you. It's going to hurt a lot of it. Your vagina. I don't know. I just, that character just didn't work for me. I didn't get it. She's also, you could say she's maybe in a different movie. They just let her go way too hard on the improv. Apparently she didn't have any lines and she was improvising

and they thought she was so funny. They kept it in. I don't know. It was a bit much. This hard disagree on that one. Did not think she was funny. It would have been tough for this movie that has unfair woman characters to have another one just not speak in the background.

So I think overall it's probably good that she did. But maybe it would have spent more time workshopping that character. Yeah. The Chris Paul For Worst Meltdown in the third act I think it probably goes to the movie The last 30 minutes of labor It was like the Suns Dallas series

The Judith Myers Award For character definitely killed in the first Few Minutes of the movie If it was a horror movie That has to be Jay Barrishow, right? Absolutely 100%. 100%. Because in Craig's favorite, this is the end

I think he's the first one that gets killed, right? No, no, he's in the whole thing it's Michael Sarah who gets impaled by a pole. Yeah, yeah, my bad. My bad. We're going to be doing that one at some point. Great movie. Backst your boys are in it.

So there's two great that guys of this for the best that guy award. One is the doctor who was also in This is 40, who I didn't even know what his name was. I had to go look. His name is Tim Bagley. He's funny. There's no way anyone else has known that.

But he's in that guy. I see that guy. I'm like, oh, the OBGYN from knocked up. And then the mom from growing pains is in this as Leslie Man and Catherine Hagel's mom. Her name is Joanna Kearns. Growing pains before your time, Craig.

But it was a Kurt Cameron sitcom. It was like one of the last widely watched. Yeah, Leo was on last season. It was a big show and she was the mom on it. So, this is the only time I've seen her. I'm shocked. You're not talking about Alan Tudek. Like absolutely shocked.

Which one was that? Her boss at E. E guy. He's in a lot of stuff. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I should have had him. You're right. He's in 28 days.

One of my favorite movies. Carry on. So the Teddy KGB Award We mentioned the other lady That we didn't like the stoner girl Martin Starr is just doing his own thing And I love it But he's...

It kind of works There's always one of those friends Who's like way too high I think it's Ken Jong I don't know what Ken Jong's doing In this I don't know why he's so mean The whole movie I agree

I thought it was also some overacting I mean it is his first movie And he's you know Transitioning from being a doctor to an actor but I agree, it's too much. She's like, oh, I don't want to take any medication. And he just flips out.

He's like, oh, I'm sorry. Are you a doctor? It's like, dude, relax. Yeah, we should have had him in what age is the worst. I didn't like his character at all. He was not eligible for Deanne Waiters. It does not make having birth seem like a fun experience. I know that giving birth isn't, but like even like the surroundings and the way people

treat you. Like, it just kind of was weird. Deanne Waiters, just an incredible cast of nominees. These six people will never be mentioned simultaneously together ever again, I'm guessing. Ryan Seacrest. Kristen Wigg, Bill Hader, Iris Apatow, Stormy Daniels, and Craig Robinson. All eligible for DeAnne Waiters. Great crew.

Stormy Daniels. This is a really tough one. I think Seacrest is great. I love Tater's stuff. Craig Robinson seems really good, but I think for me it's Kristen Wig. It's got to be Wig. She's in two scenes, right? She's just really funny in both, like really elevates both of them.

Yeah, she's really good. I go see Cress, but yeah, she's fantastic. Craig, you're a tiebreaker. I think it's Whig. Okay. 2020 recasting couch. Well, this is not the first time this will happen, but I have Sidney in the Higar role. Lock it down.

Great next move for her after Euphoria and some real movies to be in like an Appetal Romcom. But who's Seth Rogan? What about Gaden Matarazzo from Stranger Things? Oh, yeah. That's not bad. Oh, interesting. Thank you. Yeah.

That's a good one. Yeah. And we pull into the Stranger Things thing. Yeah. That's pretty good. I like that one. Have Fast Internet Research. Jay Barrasho was terrified of rollercoaster, so all of his reactions are real.

And apparently, everyone was throwing up because they kept filming the roller coaster stuff. Do you know about this special feature on the DVD where Michael Serra gets fired from the film because he's arguing with Apatow? And then another director named Bennett Miller comes in to co-direct with Apatatow. and it's all like basically a wrestling work. I haven't seen it. Yeah, this exists. I haven't seen it either.

Juliet, where do you think Catherine Higel was ranked on Maxim Magazine's Hot 100 of 2007 list? Number three. Number 14. I was surprised. What? Who's above her? I don't know. 07 must have been a strong year.

Oh, my God. I'm going to look that up. A window into Catherine Higel, maybe not playing with 100% of a full deck. In 2014, she owned eight dogs, four cats, nine horses, two donkeys, two goats, and eight chickens. That was eight years ago. That's alarming. When you have that many animals, when you have that many animals, that something's going on. Oh, no.

That's really tough. We have four dogs, and honestly, it's too, too many. And the fourth one we got just because the pandemic, and it was a total panic moment. but eight? What about the donkeys? I mean, that's really... So here's one for you, Craig. Wild Things, a movie, I'm sure you've seen.

Jonah Hill is watching Wild Things. He says it's just another day in the office, and it's a scene that shows Nev Campbell Topless in a pool with Denise Richards, but she's not topless in either version of the actual movie. So it's like this... I was on the internet, couldn't figure it up.

You mean the unrated? There's an unrated version, and she's still not topless in that? There's some other version that it was the one. Why was that for me? No, I just, because I'm sure wild things growing up, I'm sure it's a movie you've seen. The fantasy baseball draft, Pete takes Hideki Matsui.

He tries to take Carlos Delgado, but he was three rounds late on that. So he has no idea what he's doing. Matsui, 285, 25 homers, 1003 RBI, 100 runs scored, solid pick. And they were in like round six or seven. Yeah. Apex Mountain.

Hegel's got to be yes, right? Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, this is like, I don't know if, is it Vinnie Chase Aquaman level? It's up there. I think, I think it is. Yeah. A couple of people in my life who really thought we should name it, the Vinny Chase Aquaman Apex Mountain.

It's pretty funny. It's pretty funny. I might workshop at a couple of pots. Rogan? No, right? I'm going to... No, it's later. I don't know when later, but it's later. Pineapple Express is right after this.

He really keeps cooking. We didn't really talk about Rogan in the pod, which is, I think, my mistake is the host. Well... Because this was... You know, part of the rub of this movie is, can you lead a movie with Seth Rogan? Right? Can you lead a rom-com

with this 23-year-old stoner guy who's overweight and just like, will this work, wouldn't have been like a Hollywood casting like number one choice. Yeah. Not only did he carry it,

he ends up, he becomes a leading guy for the next 15 years. It's weird how much he's lasted. I mean, he is like in like legitimate normal movies. Like that movie the long shot. Like he's just in stuff.

I think for a while people always kind of knocked him he couldn't act. He just like smoked weed and had that funny laugh. Seth Rogen's actually not a bad actor. Yeah, I think he's a good actor. I'm with you.

I was also really surprised that he and Evan Goldberg together got a producer credit. I was like, this is not that deep into their career. They hadn't made Superbad yet. And they get a credit together. So I think he's also just like, though he's known for being a stoner, like, he's very industrious and clearly, you know, got a, he's a smart guy.

Yeah, and I'm glad he brought Superat because this is quite an 07 for Seth Rogen, because he makes the Superbad, the movie dreamed of making his whole life. And he's also got this at the same time. Apatow, I think you could argue maybe. Well, because it's in that three year run of movies we mentioned, and he has this and Superbad within two months of each other. And at this point, he can get anything greenlit that he'd ever want. So I think by the confusing definition of Apex Mountain,

it's hard to imagine him having more sway or power than coming out of the summer. Yeah, right, because Superbad coming two months later. It's probably that two months later. I wonder what we said if we gave it to him in the Superbad pod. But yeah, it's probably right now. Siegel, Jonah Hill, Paul Ruddno. Leslie Mann, no. No for Leslie Mann?

I think it's probably leading This Is 40. She's like the lead actress in a big movie. I think that's the only time that's happened for her. You would say here? I don't know, but I'm really into Leslie Mann as an actress. I think she's like fantastic in this movie and really, really funny. She's like maybe one of the best comedy moms, in my opinion. Like she's quick.

Very underrated. I love her in Big Daddy. She's great as Karen. So funny. I really like her and she's the one. Yeah, great movie. I think she's really funny in that movie. Yeah, she's been a lot of good one.

She's really good and my wife likes this movie that I admittedly have only probably seen once, but what is it? Like the other woman or what? It's like a Cameron Diaz movie. I think she's really funny in that one. I ride or die for Cameron Diaz. She's RIP, Cameron Diaz, IMDB.

She's on a beach somewhere. She's living the good life. She's one of the funniest actresses ever. She's not getting enough credit. I ride so hard for her. Jay Barrish will know. Hedeky Matsui, arguably. What about fantasy sports moments in a movie?

Fantasy sports movie moments? Yeah, what else is there? Because there's the league, which is a TV show, obviously. But in a movie... Well, wasn't the league on at this point? Maybe. But in a movie, this might be. It might be the most high-profile fantasy moment.

This is right when Matt... Maybe fantasy sports. Matthew Barry's signed with ESPN at this point starting all happen. I find it interesting that they chose baseball. I don't know why they didn't do football. I think it's the most fantasy, like,

it's like most known for fantasy, more than football. Yeah, it was pretty... I think fantasy football. Yeah, but fantasy baseball was first. It was pretty even, I would say, through the mid-2000s. And football had taken over,

but we didn't want to admit it yet. But it's still like, baseball was the OG. I mean, baseball is the first one. Any more Apex Mountain? because I was going to do Hall of Fame plaque. No, it's definitely Hegel. There's no question.

I think there's two Hall of Fame plaque nominees for this. Heigle doesn't get to be in the Hall of Fame. Is this Apatow's Hall of Fame hat? This movie, or would you go with another one? I think I would go with 40-year-old Virgin, but this is close. I think he would go with freaks and geeks. Interesting. But I don't know if that's the right answer.

It's probably this for the thing. And then Seth Rogen, What would be his Hall of Fame placatat? Super bad, right? I think that's super bad. I mean, that's like his baby. Yeah, okay. I just want to let you guys know.

I recently watched Seth Rogen's Architectural Digest YouTube video where he gives a tour of the office for his weed company. He's very into architecture. And pottery, as of I, I'm trying to become a ceramics influencer, and I had a great time.

So we have a lot in common. Who did that happen? Are you on TikTok? It's not really working. No, so it's not really working. My name is Julia Lippen. I'm a ceramics influencer. I just love ceramics.

Best racehorse name from this movie. I have three nominees. You might have more. Opening credits, Bush. Smash abortion. Or this is my favorite. Drinking Bone. I can see Drinkin' Bone went in the Kentucky Derby.

And here comes Drinking Bone. What'd you have, Craig? Pregnant with emotion. Ooh. And then, I mean, could you toss in flesh of the stars? Maybe that's too weird. I think Flesh of the Stars.

Flesh of the Stars is hilarious. That would be good. Yeah, I think that's the winner. Pick a d'its. We mentioned they told Catherine I to lose 20 pounds, how ridiculous that was. Where do we stand on

the miscommunication on the condom? Okay. I have those on the list because how could he not, how could he not, he asked the morning after. I know they're hammered. Like, we get it.

They're drunk. But he also, like, asked the morning after, like, did we have sex? And then he's, one to correct her and explain that she said. Yeah. That he, he only, his memory is extremely selective. I think they spent a long time thinking of the sentence that Hegel has to say that technically makes it where you could understand both

ways. I think she said, just do it already, which I still don't think. It's shaking. Rogan. Also, I mean, if we get really in the weeds here, just do it without the covers on. Look at it as you're putting it on. I don't know why he like, he's like, his like eyes are closed and he's trying to put the damn thing on the fucking look at it. How about this? Just have the broken condom. What's wrong with that idea? I know.

Sure. Why does it have to be a condom miscommunication? Well, maybe because it speaks to their relationship and their incompatibility. Yeah. One more picking up for me is just like Ben has a couple like just really bad scenes.

Like the post hookup breakfast. He's just such an idiot in that scene. It's like, they have to be that much of an idiot. There's no filter. He keeps telling everybody the story of how they got, pregnant. I don't know why he's like, yeah, oblivious. There's a couple moments where it's like, is this guy

special needs? Like, what's happening with this guy? I don't know why they played it that way. I think they could have toned that down 20%. What else did you have, Juliet? She would never stay at the bar alone without her sister. Without having another buddy or another like wing woman, that would never happen. She would absolutely leave

and she'd be annoyed that she had to go, but she would not stay by herself. Or she would make the sister stay. Yeah. These groups of people are not at the same club. Well, that's another one. How did and co even get in. If Craig Robinson's so tight on the door, like how do they even get in to begin with?

Do they get they're super early? Like five o'clock? They're just not going to like the nightclub. And they live in like you said, Northridge and they're coming all the way to like the west side to go to some fancy club that I don't know. They wouldn't be at the same place. Agree.

Any of the picketts? Is Rudd just really killing it? Is Pete just murdering it? And he's in a beautiful home. Like the guy barely works. I can't, they have such a nice house. Maybe they bought it. early in the palace it's.

And then same with when Rogan gets his apartment, like he gets immediately just like a nice apartment in L.A. that's like enormous when he gets his, he's like worked there for a week and he can immediately buy an apartment. It didn't make sense. Yeah, you're right. I also thought that $13,000 from the postal truck, he's now in 23.

I just feel like, you know, that money definitely ran out. I also thought that was kind of funny because it doesn't sunny get run over by like a cab in Big Daddy. It's like the same thing. He doesn't have to work because he has all the money. Him saying that he could stretch 900,

He's like, I'm not a mathematician. That could last me, what, two more years? That was tough. Yeah. Unanswerable questions. Can you get Pink Eye from farting on a pillow? I don't, I didn't Google this. I just...

That is something that we, not, we didn't do it in college, but that was something that was apparently known. It was a known thing, okay. Was it because of the movie, though? Like, did the movie introduce this concept? It should turn it into an urban legend. Interesting question, perhaps. We didn't mention knocked up specifically, but that was,

People called it like frat eye, which is kind of gross. Ew. But like, yeah, the dirty pillow. Jesus. So I think Segal was the one who says you got to know all the tricks. For example, if a woman's on top, she can't get pregnant, it's just gravity. Have there been studies on this? Because I'm willing to accept that this is like a possible thing.

So less likely, where's Kurt Goldsbury's shot chart for this? To tell us exactly what the stats are. I don't know. Any other annesibles for you guys? How does he pay for literally anything? Like literally anything. Good point. Yeah, how does he pay for food?

Gas? Rent? Like, no one in this group is working. It's just, you know, family wealth? I just, I need to know. I have one. Did this movie teach more people my age about childbirth than any class or anything else? I've never, this is probably the only time I've ever seen a crowning in

my entire life. I just, we, we learned a lot about pregnancy in this movie, and more than we did ever did in high school or anything like that. I skipped over for Apex Mountain. I missed it accidentally. Was this the Apex Mountain for unplanned pregnancy movies? This has been a theme that's been through the years as a rom-com theme. Sure.

She's having a baby. I can't remember if that was an unplanned or not, but in general, like pregnancy, and they've, oh, they never land the plane on it because guess what? Pregnancy's not like a barrel of F's. Yeah. Not like a huge amount of comedy coming out of a 10-month growing a body inside your body thing. But I think this has to be the best unplanned pregnancy movie, right? No other ones really come to mind off the top of my head.

I was thinking about Juno, but I'm not a fan of that movie. Wow, random Juno shot. That was like the Matthew Fox drive-by. Juno was just sitting here listening to the podcast. All of a sudden got attacked. Sorry. Next category. sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all blackcasts are untouchable.

I like the idea of it all black cast for this, but this is, to me, feels like a prestige TV eight episode that I could see on like Amazon. I feel like Amazon's kind of made the prestige. What was that one that Rob Delaney was in? Oh, catastrophe with Sharon Horgan. Isn't that basically knocked up with older people as same kind of theme? But I think this could have worked as prestige because then you really could have dove into the Paul Rudd Leslie Mann family.

It just wouldn't be as funny. It'd be way more serious, I think. Counterpoint, have you guys watched Sex Lives of College Girls? No. I really like that show. I love that show, and I feel like that tone applied

to knocked up for, like, HBO Max, could work. Also, they're making this is 50. Yes. They're thinking about it. Would this movie be better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Buschemy, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh,

Phil Baker Hall. Catherine Hahn would have been greatly Make her her friend. Appreciate it. Yeah, that could have been her friend. Or Debbie. She would have been, if a lesbian is good,

but, like, Catherine Hahn would be a great older sister who's, like, freaking out. She would be great. Catherine Hahn could have played the Ken Zhang doctor role. Like there would be...

Could have squeezed her into ten different things. There could only be one. Just one Oscar. Who gets it from this movie? Screenplay? It's a good one. I was thinking Jonah Hill

for Best Supporting actor. Because every moment he's in, he just absolutely crushes it. Yeah, I would say screenplays probably the most likely. I don't think this is an, I don't, the Oscar conversation is tough with this movie. This conversation is not tough though. Best age to watch this movie. I saw it when it came out.

I was 21. That was pretty good age. I was going to say early 20s is perfect. Yeah, I was going to say 23. I think you want to be as old as the guys in the movie, right? Yeah. Yeah. What's the best double feature choice for this movie?

We don't have Sean Fantasy here today. He's the double feature so much. I would say this is 40 because you're just, you're running it back. Now it's four plus hours of the same characters. Craig, you disagree. Yeah, because I don't want to watch four and a half. Because this is 40.

I do like this is 40, but that entire movie is like the last hour of knocked up, but for two and a half hours. I, to me, because I got a glimpse of all those other guys, I want to jump into a movie where they're more prominent. So I would go like forgetting Sarah Marshall. Oh, interesting. So you would just,

So you're like doing like a rocky marathon of just hanging out with these guys. Give me Siegel now. Like I saw a little glimpse of Seagull. I want to see the Siegel movie now. Especially you saw him naked. So you're like, I'd like more naked Seagull. Just be straight to Sarah. Don't cup it this time.

Let's just see the good. Flash of the Stars. Yeah. What do you have, Juliet? I would go with Adventureland, which is one of my favorite movies. And it has a lot of these people, Bill Hader, Kristen Wigg, Martin Star. It's just a great time.

Directed by Greg Mottola, also directed it, Superbad. and it's like adjacent, but like the Martin star of all of it all really made me want more. Plus, Wig and Hader do similar things. Like they're in it for a very short period of time, but they're pretty funny. It's a great movie. So if we did Adventureland without you, you would quit, or is that just almost famous? I would be pretty upset, but I think quitting would only be for almost famous. Fair.

You're on the record. Craig, what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Gas mask. I had the same. The early tunsel. I had the random samurai sword that Ben owns one of his two possessions. It's so weird and random. That's a good one.

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lessons. I would go with Don't Fall for an Unemployed Stoner is making a Mr. Skin ripoff site. Maybe go in a different direction. You got a lot going for you. You're working for E. You have a chance to be on camera. Good things are happening. This guy isn't the one.

That's why she should have had an abortion. You just made my point. Craig? You can't get a woman pregnant if she's on top. There's Jason preaching to the Jason single choir. How long do these two stay together? Very short. I feel like we always say that.

All right. So let's say it's 2002 right now. This kid is 14 years old, probably in the eighth grade, is the kid do you think adopted by the Leslie man Paul Rudd family at this point? Or, you know, Hegel getting banished, I feel like she would have been in This is 40, right? Yeah. Brought her back for that. So we just don't see anything what happens with them ever again.

And that would have been a really interesting way to flip it where you have, they're the supporting characters in the first movie, and then the stars and the supporting characters flip. But I think they're definitely not together. And does he live in L.A.? would be my next question. I would say no. I was going to say... I think he's gone. He lives in L.A. He becomes like just like a working entertainment dude,

some kind of behind the seat's job. She's not in L.A. I feel like he becomes like great, you know, present single dad and she's like, doesn't live there. So where does she live and what is she doing? I don't know. She's like with her don'tkees and it's like outside of Seattle.

I see you're like moving to like the state of Washington. This is a mashup of Catherine Michael and Allison Scott, I guess. Yeah, it feels like L.A. might not be for her. I don't, doesn't really make a right fit to me. Or there's a flip side where she blossoms on E. And she ends up getting a reality thing.

Like she takes over for Julie Chen on Big Brother. One of those type of things and becomes a reality host. There could be that bad. She really meets some other guy who's way better than Seth Rogen. And it becomes a forgetting Sarah Marshall situation where this is, this is kind of the problem with the character. It's like, I don't know what she would be doing because like she didn't really make sense as it. I don't know anything about her.

Yeah, true. It's like, what was important to her? Did she want to be on TV? What was her ambition? What was her driving force? We should have mentioned. She wouldn't have just gone from behind the camera to a correspondent with no in between.

It's not just like you become one and the other. She would have had like one opportunity to test it out or something like that. But maybe she would be a podcaster. Well, this is tough. Who won the movie? Jud. I'm going with Seth Rogen. I was as well.

That works too. I think because for Seth Rogen, because this movie succeeded, with him as a star, it opens the door now for him to, A, make any movie he wants, and then B, for people to buy him as a leading man going forward, which seemed not inconceivable, but it seemed like a slight stretch. Yeah, and then I guess him acting in this movie as the lead and nailing it, and then two months later, a movie that he wrote coming out and also being a huge hit, he just became an acting, writing, Powerhouse. Great times. I really miss this era. It's over.

I feel like a real, a real boon for him, too. Is it, like, he has all these best friends on camera, but, like, his real best friend is somebody you don't, like, get to see. And I just feel like it shows, like, Seth is doing more than everyone else. Yeah. If you guys could pick the ideal link for this movie, what would it be? 100 minutes. Yes.

Hour 40? Hour 40? Hour 45, yeah. So you're basically getting, you're speeding through all the labor stuff. We don't have the fantasy football cheating sidetrack at all. You get rid of the earthquake? Like, There's a couple moments that just don't need to be there.

I just agree on the earthquake. Yeah, the Jason Segal part of the earthquake is pretty great. Him with the cigarette is unbelievable. Yeah, it just kills me. They're introducing. Yeah, I enjoyed that. Okay, this was fun. This podcast was produced by Craig Horlebeck.

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