The Rewatchables - ‘Law Abiding Citizen’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Craig Horlbeck

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

After 10 years of intense preparation and strategizing, Bill, Van, and Craig are ready to revisit Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx in the 2009 crime thriller ‘Law Abiding Citizen.’ Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic 2026 Mazda CX-50. Designed for Safety. MazdaUSA.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We had the Craig Cam for like four minutes. Now it's already broken. But we have three left, and we're going to talk about a movie that came out in 2009. That Van Lathen loves. Loves. I threw it at him, and I said, Dan, just curious, do you like Law Abiding Citizen? You made it seem like this is one of your favorite movies.

It's one of my favorite theater-going experiences I've ever had. What happened? Because, so go to the Ark Light, so many memories at the Arklight. And you're expecting a movie that's, what was the movie? movie with Ben Affleck and Samuel Jackson. Do you guys remember? Changing Lanes. Changing Lanes. I like that movie. So you're expecting something like that, right? Although you

see explosions and stuff in the trailer, you're expecting something that's a little bit more grounded. And then you go to the movie and right off the bat. People in the theater are like, what the fuck is happening? Brutal, surprising, absurd

in the best way. Everyone in the thing, oh my God, what? Dudes was like, what the hell, bro? and since then I've had a love affair with the movie where I watch it every time it comes on TV. The vigilante movie. A 1970s tradition. Craig's least favorite rewatchable

we ever did was Death Wish. Really genuinely hated it. The sexual assault seat in Death Wish is about as grim as it gets. Well, you thought it was about as grim as it, but you never saw Death Wish too, which was as grim as it gets. That's the Nadir of all these. But we had in the 70s Walking Tall, we'd Death Wish. Foxy Brown.

That was a good one. We had a lot of, yeah. We had a lot of good ones in the 70s. And then they kept kind of making them and trying to figure it out, but it kind of died. Well, it feels like the revenge stuff got more sanitized. It turned into like taken and things like that. Yeah. Law-abiding citizen goes back to the old days of this is kind of like peak 2000s revenge porn.

I feel like Bangkok Craig did enjoy this because. Oh, Bangkok, Craig. I don't know if you're American gangster. I was upset the way Denzel killed Idris Elba. It wasn't enough. Right. This movie gives you everything you want and more in terms of getting revenge and going the full nine yards. Yeah, because the revenge thing kind of shifted toward like John Wick territory or taken.

Where this group of people did something to me. Right. We rarely have the, I am going to actually make a real statement about our legal system and take out the entire city of Philadelphia, basically. So I have a list coming up that kind of explores this. But like, the vigilante movies of the 70s and the 80s seem to be. directly against like street crime. Like, they're going against street crime. And it's, like, kind of racist.

Yeah. Yeah, you kind of feel it. Well, whoever the criminals of the day were, that's what they're going to do. It's like independent actors, essentially, of crime. Right. Not a system. Then that's what happens. Later on, people start to rage at, like, a whole system.

And those are the revenge movies that you get. Even like a movie like Falling Down, which isn't necessarily a vigilante movie, but it's a I fucking had enough of this culture movie. Like, I snapped and now I'm going. they kind of became a little bit more elevated. You had to do more in them. Grand Torino is another one like that. Grand Tarino is another one, yeah.

Dave tried to make versions of this movie. Like, Jennifer Garner made peppermint. I never saw that. It's bad. But it was one of those. I think her daughter got killed and she was mad. The legal system did her wrong, so she started taking stuff up. What's the best one with the lady?

What's the best late? Because Jody Foster made one, right? That was essentially Death Wish. Like, wasn't good. Yeah. Like, what's the best one with the lady? where Jennifer Lopez, enough, that's against one guy. I'm not sleeping with the enemy, though.

I had enough where it was like sleeping with the enemy rip-off, but basically her trying to figure out, okay, if this guy comes at me again, I kind of like enough. I think it's solid. I like enough because sleeping with the enemy, she uses all of her guile and wit while in enough. She becomes like an M.MA fighter.

Right. Sleep with the enemy, she's in danger the entire movie. Enough's like, I'm actually going to train to beat this guy. I'm going to kick the shit out of you. Yeah, it's good. She looks good in that movie too. The four essentials for a vigilante movie. Our hero was driven to this.

Our hero is broken. Our hero might have to cross a couple lines. By the end of the movie, I'm not even sure if our hero's a good guy anymore. He might be just completely gone. Went too far. That's usually when they really work, that's the best where you're like,

oh man, I was rooting for this guy. This got dark. Yeah, it's like the moral ambiguity feels like a part of it. And this movie, I can't wait to talk about the end because I think it's the most fascinating part of the movie is what they decided to do with the two characters at the end. Also, Craig thought he wasn't going to talk that much on the pot. I'm not prepared.

Fucking discuss the season pro. And get some shots up. What's up with you? Mike, I got to talk you about Craig Horace. He just comes in one minute, one minute notice. He's right in the third chair. Shoots a high percentage. It's a shot off from two spots.

I thought CR was going to be in then. Philadelphia movie, never saw it. Yeah. Yeah. What an unbelievable miss by CR. It's Philadelphia movie. Philly? Like, also weird CIA government-type, trained killer type dude, the kind of guys that he likes Delta

Force, Special Forces, Lioness type shit. I was honestly devastated. One more thing about the Vision Landi movie. Yeah. Our hero kind of becomes what he was fighting against. It comes what he despise. Killer of innocence. Yeah.

becomes that. To catch a predator, you have to become a predator. That was the old Adam Crowley joke. To catch a predator, you have to become a predator. Gerard Butler said there was one specific criminologist who had written a great paper on serial killers, especially revenge killers, which I guess it's its own phylum. He'd gone very much into the obsessive nature of this, but the rewards and how somebody who gets into it can get really carried away in a really egotistical way and enjoy huge.

the power they get from it's cathartic. Yeah. Well, you're almost... You feel it the most in this movie. You don't almost have to, right? Yeah. Because your belief in the system has to come from this fundamental belief in what should be right and wrong. And that almost always comes from you and the way that you look at the world.

This particular guy has been out on ops for the government. By the way, man, vet the motherfucker. You don't want to learn that the guy that you're fucking with is a secret CIA. murder killer like two fucking accent to the film he's effectively Kaiser Sozee yeah and they just have no idea

the entire time so to mention what you would to go into what you talked about earlier I wrote down yeah I used to talk about Russell Westbrook all the time and now he would bring all of these things to the table but then take something off the table and every basketball player does this

but Westbrook was the one you noticed it the most or it was like oh he did all these good things but man if he didn't do that. So I used to call him the 90-10 guy. 90% brought to the table. 10% took off the table. But you really felt his 10%. This movie, the ending is

the 10%. I don't like it, but I kind of like watching it and getting mad how they fucked it up. I feel like they were so close to an awesome movie. And then they kind of copped out, Van. So why? What happened? They ran out of smart.

They ran out of smart. A lot of scripts. They have a brilliant. Conceit, propulsive action, great, and then they just run out of smart. It gets to a point to where you don't have that next thing, that next turn that makes the movie brilliant.

It's the closer. Yeah. You have 44 minutes of the NBA game, but now it's crunch time. I need to run some plays for my best guy. They just couldn't do it. It just feels like it got Hollywooded to death a little bit. I think,

because I think the movie would have been better if it was a fight club ending. if it's just like, he kept going and everything, and he did blow up the town hall. But I would imagine that they test screen that or the studio making the movie was like, we just can't do that. We have to have a resolution.

I did a ton of research on this. There was like an urban legend that Jamie Fox made them Hollywood up the ending, and I don't think that's true. I think they really just wanted Fox to be the good guy at the end. I think it was a huge mistake. But is he the good guy in the end? Well, that's the thing.

I don't think they established. enough that he was a good guy to make me feel happy at the recital at the end. It's like, oh, man, he made it. Because I don't really like the character. He's one of the worst, most annoying characters I've ever watched in a movie this much. Hate him. Absolutely hate him. So how much is it is how it was written and how much of it was the Fox performance?

Because I don't think, it's weird that he's the weak link of a movie where we have two stars. Right. But I don't think he ever figured out if his character was a good guy or not. I think it's in the script, though. Because I don't know that they ever give Jamie enough to do or enough of a point of view in this movie. He's so reactive to everything. Well, you know what they give him.

They give him this face. Right. The only thing that he knows is that he's the most important thing, which is a shitty way to do a character. Meanwhile, his foil is legitimately holding the system accountable for not avenging the murder of his wife and daughter. They don't start out with the same moral stakes at all. Yeah, Butler kills him in this movie.

like this is an incredible Butler performance but with Fox so we rarely give this a word out and it's a relatively recent one but the Clarence Worley should have died at the end award for biggest cop out of an ending how should this movie have ended because it's a real fun part

about why it's rewatchable because every time I watch it my mind goes into like oh they should have done this or they should have done that my guess is Butler should have known the whole time that Fox was going to know that he had the cell. And when Fox thought he had the way to one up him,

Butler then had an extra move on top of that move and like blew Fox up in the cell and got away. He's just like... Or got out of the cell. They thought he blew up in the cell, but he didn't. Or like he makes Fox make a decision where he's like, I knew you would know the briefcase was there. So I added a second briefcase.

So you can either kill the two of us or kill Town Hall. Right, right. Chess moves it. And then Fox kills himself and... Butler and James Town Hall. Yeah. Okay, so I think Fox has to die, too. What's funny is he's outside of the two murderers who deserve to die.

Fox is the other person who, I mean, Butler kills everyone else around Fox, but Fox is really the one who's most to blame outside of the two murderers. So here's the thing. The movie early on would have had to make a decision about what it was doing. You take the murderer off the table early. So anyone else that he holds accountable now is going to be, like, ancillary to that. Anyone else that he holds accountable are just going to be people in the system. By that rationale, Fox has to die.

What I would say is... But this is seven, though, where Gwyneth Paltrow, spoiler, has to be the seventh murder. You can't be like, ah, we can't do that. We'll just do six. Then the movie dies. It's a good point, because this movie does feel like a bad David Fincher film. Yeah, but see, in that movie, though,

John Doe comes from outside of R2 Main Leeds. Yeah. So he just acts as a chaos agent. And this one, both guys stand for something. And if you kill Jamie Fox, then you're almost validating the fact that this dude killed all of these people to get back at the system. Or he blows both of them up and that's how it ends. I think Fox has to die. There's another way this could have gone though.

And every time I watch it, I always wonder if they entertain this. So he's in the recital at the end. They throw in this scene that's like, hey, let's do one more scene just in case the audience doesn't. and think he's a good guy where he's emotional watching his daughter, but he's got the tie on. And I always wondered,

like, because we saw him do this earlier with the bad guy with the phone, where he's holding the phone, but it has like whatever, those poisons in it, and they're in his system. And Fox has the tie,

and I always wonder if he touches the tie and then it zooms in on the tie and there's all these poisons on the tie. We are fucking kills them. Because they tease the tie thing, right? Because the guy says the tie. His colleague is like, oh, he invented this tie

that strangled a man. Yeah, this guy in the guy in the tunnel. And so they set that up and I almost wonder if they had decided that was how it was going to end and they chickened out.

It just felt like this whole movie was the Dan Campbell, Hail Mary, fuck it going forward on fourth down. And it feels like the movie went forward

on fourth down the entire movie and then at the very end they kick a field goal. Right. It's good way to put it. Great way to put it. So how would you have ended it?

Well, for me, I think the ending has to be litigated like earlier in the script. The moment that he kills the cellmate, the moment that he kills the cellmate, you know Gerard Butler is out of there.

Because he's now leaving such a trail of carnage behind him. Yeah. But I think Gerard Butler at the end would have had to die for something. Or he would have had to make the altruistic decision to not do the terrible thing and give his life up.

If he leaves and decides to blow himself up on his own, I think that's an ending that would have sufficed. But he went through with it, and then Jamie, who would, was dumb as fucking rocks throughout the entire fucking movie. Some of it's promoted to DA. DUM as rocks throughout the whole movie

ends up outsmarting the CIA badass. It kind of doesn't make any sense. Where do you stand on Gerard Butler? Just Lukeworm? Well, yeah, kind of. He's in the Jason Statham camp of like, he's the guy doing his own thing. It's like the two of them are in their own doing their own thing lane

and it's successful and people like it. But I feel like Gerard Butler is kind of in the mainstream public consciousness. I'm not going to say my take yet, but I'm higher on him than that. Where are you? So I, he's one of the guys to me that settled into something that I didn't think he was going to settle into. After 300 came out, I thought Gerard Butler was going to be Bill Gibson.

I thought he was going to be that. Or Russell Crowell or whomever. I thought he was going to be that level of guy. He comes back in a movie that like wasn't well regarded, but I love rock and rolla, the guy Ritchie movie. And he does a couple of things. is like this guy has something and then I'm going to give you 20 plus years

mid 2000s Phantom of the Opera in 300 now he's like you're looking at him like a lottery pick like he's I don't know like Drake May right now or somebody 0709 kind of get get sucked into the rom-coms have that terrible fucking game he put together week one dude come on

he does PS I love you with Hillary Swank you try to yeah not on the rewatchables list The Ugly Truth with Catherine Hagel, also terrible. 09 and 10, he does law-abiding citizen and the bounty hunter with Aniston. And they kind of try to pretend they're maybe together, but who knows? 12 and 13 does Chacey Mavericks and Olympus has fallen. Chasing Mavericks is one of my wife's favorite movies of the last 15 years. Yeah, Caligal loves it too.

Absolutely loves it, watches it all the time. And Olympus has fallen, ironically, going against Jamie Fox and White House Down. Two White House invasion movies, basically. Denna Thieves, 2018. Yeah. Greenland and Plain. Mostly settled into like action rom-com. I just felt like there was a lot more there for him.

Well, he settled into the mid-level action movie. Yeah. He settled into being one of the guys who you see him in movies and the movies are better than you think that they are. Den of Thieves is the perfect example. Right. He's completely overqualified to be Big Dick Nick and, in Dead of Thieves.

and that's one of the reasons it's really good. He's too good to be in it. I thought there was more there. I was like them, Scottish guy. I think he's aged in a way where it seems like he's had some hard days and hard nights. He's had a few.

Did you watch Greenland? I actually never saw Greenland. People like that movie. It's good. Yeah. Because they made a sequel. Yeah, most of them are. Greenland, the sequel is very, very bad.

But like... I got to watch it. I'm going to watch it. If you watch Greenland, it's not what you think it is. It's good. Fox had collateral and Ray back to back wins the Oscar for Ray

follows that up with stealth and jarhead and Miami Vice and Dreamgirls in the kingdom by the way 2000s he's in the soloist law abiding citizen he's in Valentine's Day

kind of never never figure out how to leverage the Oscar into big ass movies and this was one of the last stands for him for Jamie's the lead of a movie and it's going to make $100 million dollars

and then I think it started to dip down. I don't think he ever really figured out what Lane to go to. He never lost the Jamie Foxness of it, ever. Whenever you see Jamie Fox in the movie, you're like, oh, man, it's Jamie Foxx.

I was watching this movie, and then I watched Horrible Bosses. Another good one for him. He just adds so much to horrible bosses in the little bit that he's in the movie. Yeah. So a lot of actors act themselves out of their celebrity. They act themselves out of you caring

that they're in the movie. He never did that, but he never actually then became the guy that you build a whole movie franchise around or something like that. I always felt like he was better as the second guy. Like he was kind of overqualified, you know, even in Miami Vice,

which he barely says anything, but he's got so much charisma in that movie. Collateral, he's great playing off cruise. And I always liked when he was in that thing. But I almost feel like he would have been better off doing like a true detective season two or season three or, you know, some sort of prestige TV thing. It's surprising how quiet the last.

10 years of his career has been. I feel like he has everything. I feel like he's got looks. He's got charisma. He's a good actor. He can actually like become characters. And there hasn't been a ton. And everybody loves him.

The thing is that he does so much though. He's funny? He does so much that it's never really quiet because when you don't see Jamie on screen, you see Jamie on stage. When you don't see Jamie on stage, you see him on television as a television host. He's one of those like five tool people that's just like almost ubiquitous in culture. So you don't think of the fact that they, Damn, it's been a while since I saw the Jamie Fox movie.

You don't think about it because you're always seeing Jamie Fox. You can get entertainment from so many different places. Yeah, and I think sometimes you can just have too many choices. Like, he was almost too good at too many different things. Like, he's also one of the great talk show podcast guests ever. He could host anything. He's so charismatic. He's really funny.

He can sing. He's great at impressions. Yeah, he also had, like, he had Foxhole Radio, which was a radio. Yeah, oh, yeah. Like, that was hysterical. So even if you are not getting your entertainment from Jamie in the movies, you're going to get it from somewhere so you don't think about the any one thing that you're not the way that you're not getting it. So was it tough for you when he feuded with Diddy? Like what side were you on?

Do you feel like you were both sides? Yeah, were you on the side of Diddy or Jamie Fox? When was the Jamie Fox Diddy feed? I don't remember. Oh, you're talking about like after the thing, you know, look at you. You're trying to get a little spicy at the beginning of the thing. Hey, why not? No, fuck.

At this point, it would be hard to be... At this point, it would be hard to be on Ditty's side with fucking anything, right? I know. It's tough for you. Shut the hell out, man. Okay, Bill, you want to start going back? I could throw some jokes. Oh, I'm sorry.

I didn't realize I couldn't make fun of the podcast. This movie was directed by F. Gary Gray, who we just did another F. Gary Gray movie. How many weeks ago? Yeah, what was it? It was Italian, Italian job. Yeah, F. Gary Gray. Gray, you know what I thought about? I like F. Carey Gray. You do.

I think his movies have like a splashy style to them. It's a little like discount Michael Bay. Not over the top like Michael Bay is, but same kind of just you feel him. Good explosions, good music in the right spots.

I enjoy what he does. He's a skill and cool. Yeah. Just trying some stuff. It's not plain. Good director. Written by Kurt Wimmer. We have people like Bruce McGill and Calm, Meenie. I think I said his name correctly. He's another Scottish guy.

Leslie Bibb. Regina Hall is the wife with really no role at all in the movie. Just a couple lines. $53 million budget made $127.9 million. It's pretty good. I somehow didn't see this in the theater.

I don't know what was going on with me. This was the arcline phase where I was just going to see. I was just like making... Yeah, this was right in my wheelhouse. It's not like I didn't want to go see this in the theater. And it was interesting because, Both of these guys were kind of still in their assaances. We were still kind of in the Jamie Assons.

We were definitely in the Butler Assons. So it was like putting these guys together. I was like, what are they going to cook up? Well, because this was his, this was Gerard Butler's first movie after 300? No, he did a couple rom-coms. But it was like that he's going to have a moment right now. Sure. I don't know who is Gerard Butler right now.

I mean, sleep? You mean, no, I'm saying right. Like the younger version. Early 30s, mid-30s. People wanting it to happen. they really don't have any Gerard Butler's right now because the guys

our guys right now the grizzle white boy of that age is not around like the Russell Crow type everybody's a little prettier now you can't say Glenn Powell because Glenn Powell's not really the same vibe he's going for the Tom Cruise thing

yeah it's funny because I was thinking for recasting if this movie was 2026 MBJ would clearly be the lawyer and then I was trying to think who would be Butler and I was trying to workshop like Glenn Powell as the guy, and I was like,

I just think he's too likable. But you didn't see... Bartlett has, like, a little bit of a dark side where you feel like some bad shit's happened on 20 years ago. Yeah, you, like, Glenn almost went for that and running, man, didn't really work. It didn't work. It's more...

You just want to hang with him. Very shocking. The interesting point, though, that, like, we don't have a lot of, like, gruff, male, up-and-coming stars like that now. It's two buckets that are missing. Number one, the... And this might sound stupid, but like the 30, 35-year-old, 40-year-old, like, really Italian-American star that, like, does, like, the Moff, like, the De Niro, the guys like that.

Like those guys like that. And then you also don't have the man's man guy. I thought that Miles Taylor, I always thought that Miles Taylor would, like, kind of jump into that, that Miles Taylor kind of brought that, but kind of... When he got jacked in Top Gun, Maver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because basically you're saying a guy who could play a cop in a buddy movie, a guy who could play this guy in law-biting citizen and a guy who could be in a rom-com. Solving himself for the rom-com. You have to be able to have those three moves. Yeah, someone where when you see them in prison and they're ripped and they're beating the shit out of somebody,

you believe it. Like, Brad Pitt would have been awesome in this movie. Yeah. Right? And there's that we're not making like Brad Pitt's in the same way. Well, Brad Pitt also, he's so pretty, though, and his star brings so much. But he can do his ugly Brad Pitt.

He can, but he would have elevated this movie to a point to where you'd have to bring in Mars, Mercedes to direct this bitch. It's like Brad Pitt's version of this movie is way, way up the escalator. I like your idea that this was kind of a discount feature movie. Yeah. Like if he went bankrupt, if he'd been in the birdie made-off thing and he needed a job. Yeah.

Like, all right, I'll do love. I'll make law-abiding citizen cool. Because there's a couple moments that are pretty smart in this movie, but overall, it's not as slick as it thinks it is. I just think the script isn't as good as, it could be to actually get to that point where you're like, wow, this is a Fincher level kind of action mystery. Well, like the game is like this, right?

The game landed the ending. Yes. This is just not quite there. Like, the dialogue is just not quite there to be an elevated movie. The thing about the game, though... But it's there to be a rewatchable. The thing about the game, though, is that movie is a little too smart for some people. Like, some people that feel like that movie is a little high concept.

It's like a riddle. Yeah. This film didn't want to be too smart for people, but it also didn't want to be too dumb from them. Yeah. so it elinated everybody. Is it Austin Butler? I know he's kind of,

he can kind of play it both ways. A little bit, but like not, still, we'll see, maybe, we'll see. I never know, because you never would have told me, I never would have believed Keanu could have been for John Wicks. Right. Never saw that at any point of his career, that that, that art could have happened.

So sometimes people can surprise you. This surprised me. Ebert, three stars. I liked it. He wrote, Law-abiding Citizen is one of those movies you like more at the time. than in retrospect, I mean, come on, you're thinking.

Still, there's something to be said for a movie you like well enough at the time. So I think he had a good time at the Arklight. I think he probably did. I respect that. Now, did he write that then, or did you have a write him a couple of days ago? You knew I was going to get you back.

Are you going to do that? Are you a truther with this? Oh, he can't make fun of you now? Oh, I can't make fun of you now. You can't make fun of me now. My Roger Eber character that I created. There's very few movies. To Roger Ebert's point about in the moment,

the second I finished this movie, I did just go into the bedroom. I was like, Liz, I got to tell you about this movie for like 15 minutes. I just described the whole movie to her. That's the type of movie that it is. And somebody actually said that. Another review that I read, someone said, it's the type of movie that, like, right after you come out of it,

you're going to be like, I fucking loved it. But then you're going to sit with it for a while, and you're going to be like, wait a minute. I watched it with my wife and Ben, because Ben had never seen it. And Ben really liked it. My wife was like, this is terrible. I can't believe how bad this is.

What the hell is going on? And then when Leslie Bibbs car brew up, she was like, wow! I was like, oh, you're in. You got sucked in. We're going to take a break. Then we're going to do rewatchables. This episode is brought to by Uber Eats.

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Why didn't you want to try the case? I'm not put in the opening scene as a re-review. watchable scene. That seems... Yeah, I think we can't stay away from that. That's a birdie. Fox didn't want to try the case, home invasion, murdered little girl, rape. Not interested. Just wants to

plea bargain this thing. What's going on? What happened to the DNA evidence? Oh, it wasn't admissible. It wasn't. You have a witness. You have, I'm sure, all kinds of fluids and blood. This is... How is this case not provable? There are some crazy picking this movie. This is beyond a picking net. But this is...

He's explaining it. I'm like, what? You can't Try the case. You have an eyewitness. You have DNA. He's like, you blacked out. You can't be that. You know this. This is one of the most detestable scenes in a movie that I love.

Because he is sitting down here telling this man who has been through hell and back. Why he can't get him justice. This guy watched his wife get raped and his daughter get killed. He's like, yeah, yeah. We're just going to play by her in this. Sorry, buddy. This is a victory. What the fuck are you talking about?

Get the fuck out of my face. And he shakes his hand. Yeah, are there not fluids, DNA, fingernails, hair? Wouldn't it be everywhere? Right. It's not what you know, Clyde. It's what you can prove in court. Well, you have a witness and evidence.

I was right there when they broke in. And he's two scumbags. And he said, this is just how the justice system works. This is a victory for us. After this scene, you're like, I want this guy to kill. Literally everybody involved. Just kill all of them. I don't know if I'm a dark person,

but my next rewatchable scene is the lethal injection. scene gone wrong. It's a good scene. It's a good scene. And in general, like, lethal injection movie scenes, you always feel like it's never going to go seem something weird. It's always going to happen. It feels like...

I don't think I've ever seen a lethal injection scene. I was kind of morbidly curious about how it went. I actually had no real sense of how it would go. Do people, do like 10 people go watch it behind... Yeah, they do. Really? Some of the police people and then family of the victims. families and stuff like that.

They'll check it out. Why do the police need to be there? I guess to make sure it happened. I don't know. They worked the case. I don't know. I just found it fascinating that like Jamie Fox is like, hey, Leslie Bibb, let's go watch this. Like, why did she need to see that?

It's even better. He missed his daughter's violin recital. He's like, I gotta go. Bro, this is the thing. This guy sucks, bro. This guy is the thing. We're going back and forth from a cello recital with his daughter to him choosing to go watch somebody get fucking executed for,

No reason. Don't have to be there for no reason whatsoever. He's like, sorry, babe, I got a guy. You know I'm busy to not. By the way, this is one of my favorite tropes in movies when we went to the Floyd Award later. Yeah. When, like, something traumatic has to happen for a guy to, like, be a father. To care about his way for kids?

I didn't want to go to my kids' little league game until after the terrorist attack. It took 25 innocent civilians getting murdered. At the end of the movie, you see him going. Good fix, Jr. I can fix it. I'm a human being now. Right. Darby finally goes down

as our next rewatchable scene perfectly executed by Clyde. You have a feeling he's doing it, especially when there's like, there's a cop who's passed out in a whatever, but he plays this fantastically. Great cameo by Darby's,

I guess, sidepiece. Just slumped on the ground. Could it be grosser in every respect? Why is she illegal, by the way? He goes, you're fucked. Dope on the table. Binch on the ground. I'm like, why is she illegal?

You can't fuck? Yeah. Is that one of the terms of his parole? Darby goes and then the gun reveal. So good. I've never seen that in a movie. Now we're in the shit. The moment, because they don't do the thing where they try to hide that as him.

You can see that as him. So you know that the surprise is coming somewhere else, so it's got to be a pretty good surprise. So when he shoots the gun and the barbs come out, now the movie has fucking started. Tetrodotoxin founded Puffer Fish. that blocked nerve singles by binding to voltage-gated sodium channels. Who figured that out?

Yeah, what was the trial? How did they get in there? I'm surprised Belichick didn't use it on the football. The Patriots. I looked it up. It's real. It paralyzes you, but you still feel pain. I'm like, how the fuck did they figure that out?

The pufferfish probably hit a couple people. Sure. Or an animal, and they were like, some sick fuck wit. We could take what the pufffish does and do it to a person. It's the only thing missing in downtown L.A. right now is some puff for fish. Clyde pretending to confess to Jamie Fox's character, what's his Nick? Clyde pretending to confess to Nick, but doesn't actually confess, which weirdly this movie is a totally watchable. When you're rewatching it and you watch how he does the dialogue and he's nodding, but he's not confessing.

So he's like, yeah, I did dream about potentially murdering, but he does it. actually admit that he murdered. Fox is so stupid he falls for it. So here's the deal. I feel like a smarter movie lets that whole scene play out. Then all of these things start happening. I totally agree.

And then they come back to that and he goes, well, did I actually confess? Yeah. Instead, he's like, he does his whole spiel and then literally five seconds goodbye. He's like, you see what I did there, Nick? Like, all right. Right away.

Yeah. Right away after he does the whole dance, he tells him that he didn't really mean it and he doesn't have anything on him. It's just too straight forward. This is where it's like discount Fincher. Because in Fincher it'd be like an hour later. Yeah.

Yeah. Or he's dropping a coffee cup. They're listening to the tape and they're like, oh, he actually never said. Or somebody else tells him. He's like, I got the guy in confession. He goes, what did you get, Nick? What the fuck did you get?

The guy never says anything. And then that happens later on and it spurns on the third half. Well, then he goes, that sets up talking to the judge, which I see, you know, I love because he says the title of the movie. Your Honor. I'm a law-abiding citizen. It's like, boom. But then he gets mad at her he goes,

you're about to let me go. Are you fucking kidding me? You're like, oh, calls her a bitch. She starts banging the gavel. You probably take it in the ass. Bro, that's fucking hysterical, though. I mean, that should not be funny. But he's like, you fucking bitch.

You probably take up the ass. You're like, what's wrong with that? She can do that if she wants. Why are you judging her? Why are you judging her? Literally judging the judge. Next scene might be my pick.

I'm sorry. That's so funny. Like, he's so mad, bro. Fucking bitch. You probably take it up there. I'm sorry. It's a paw back on drag. It's so fucked up.

Well, we're now, we're in the jail cell. Yeah. He's ordering from Del Friscoe's Steakhouse and his new mattress with his big burly, uh, cellmate and is just eating a steak, as he said in these dudes up. He gave him a spork.

Yeah. Which then he proceeds to stab this dude 20 times. Bangkok, Craig, love this scene. Well, it's not, he makes his shit out of the bone and the steak. That's what he stashed. Oh, that's where you. Oh, I thought it was the sport. No, no, no, no.

He orders the steak because he knows he can make a shiv out of the bone. How did I miss this when I've seen this movie nine times? I'm the stupidest Jamie Fox's character. I thought it was the spork. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. He used the bone. That's part of, like, how ingenious he is.

Yeah, that's why he orders the steak so he can get the bone. He's, like, ripping off the meat to give to the guy, but he's keeping the bone. Well, he stabs the guy 20 times with it. Blood goes absolutely everywhere, and he's playing an iPad, and he's playing Eminence Front and whatever else is going on. I guess I should have known that that wasn't a sport. Yeah, I mean. Powerful sport.

I don't know. But that is later in picking nits. That is the... Can you really stab somebody 20 times of the spork? Now I felt better. It was a stake share. In the movie, like, when, because this movie wants to keep you confusing for a lot of time, it does. But, like, when I was first watching it, that was the part to where I was most confused.

Because I was like, what kind of movie do we have if he kills that guy? That guy hasn't anything to do with it. And what's the purpose of killing? Why is he doing this? Is he just hate having a cellmate? What's going on? And it's clever when he wants to be. moved to solitary for a specific reason.

Well, you didn't realize is that he spent the last eight years digging tunnels under the jail to every single cell perfectly so that whatever cell he went into. I could have used the flashback of the 10 years of him preparing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. At some point, he's explaining it and you're seeing it as it happened. I spent 10 years digging tunnels, making my plan, rigging cell phones. I would have been cool to see that. But at that point in the movie, though, you now know he doesn't care who he hurts.

It's not just going to be the people involved It's going to be a lot of collateral damage Next scene is the cell phone blows the judge up This is an all-timer My favorite scene in the movie At a fucking nowhere And she's kind of feeling it She's talking about

She's getting ready for the weekend They're not subtle with the messaging of the movie Where like the line right before she blows Her head blows up is like I'm the judge I can do whatever the fuck I want And then her head blows up So you know The movie's trying to tell you like

Justice Apart And thumbs down. That is horror movie level shock. I, like, jumped out of my seat. I almost texted you guys again. Because I texted you once after the first scene of the movie saying, like, holy shit. Right. And this one is the next huge jump scare.

We're watching the movie. We're sitting down. And it happens. And Kalika just goes, uh-uh. And he gets up and walks up. Like you've seen before. She's like, I can't do this on a Wednesday. I'm out.

Well, so she missed the next scene, which is when he bled. blows up everyone in the parking lot, including poor Leslie Bibb. Another jump scare. Who's 35, who's given up her career and probably will never have kids to serve Jamie Fox. And now gets to blow up in a car. Why did Jamie Fox make everybody go to the office at 6 a.m. to wait and see if they might die? Great question.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know, he was like 6 a.m. It's going to happen. And they're all just in the office. Why aren't they home? Why aren't they like in a park? Why aren't they as far apart? I would have been in like Mexico.

Yeah, why is the hell staring at the clock? It's like, oh, my dad's having a procedure. I got to fly to Boston. I'll see you guys in two weeks. Why is the DA like on the beat of the case like this in the first place? Why is the DA in a chopper going all at this place? Why is all of this happening? Is that like...

Are there any of the crimes in Philadelphia? Yeah, like why is the DA the one, he's like a grizzled detective on this? I felt really bad for Leslie Bibb. That scene where she opens both doors and she, realizing she can't get out and she kind of gives Nick a look. Pretty brutal. Yeah. I didn't expect it.

I have something to say later on. Okay. Maybe find a husband so that you don't blow up alone. Is that what you're going to say? Let's see. The funeral scene. Really great. The drone, gun.

And you don't know who's... At that point, the movie makes you think he's getting help from the outside. There's a second person. Yeah. Right? Because nobody would ever think he could just be sneaking in and out of... Whatever, but that guy, Jonas, get shot like nine times and then blown up by a grenade launcher.

I do like the finishing touch of the rocket at the end. It's like, are we serious? I wrote down the first 80 minutes of this movie is just elite. This is the 80 minute mark. This is like, basically like they've taken us almost to the finish line. Now just run a good play. Score your touchdown and go home. But now we find out.

We find out that he tunneled into prison. That's the next scene. And then the last one is Nick confronts Clyde. I don't make deals with murderers, Clyde. You taught me that. They both should have blown up. But they give himself 25 seconds to leave. I like the almost operatic beauty of watching the fire slowly rise around him while you look at his thoughts.

Yeah, while he looks at the bracelet that his daughter made for. So what's your most? rewatchable? Cell phone? My most rewatchable is the cell phone easily, but also Nick and Clyde's first interrogation scene is one of my favorite scenes in the movie. Because Butler's cooking. Cell phone, but honorable mention,

we didn't even mention the torture scene. Bankot, Craig, loved the torture scene. I bet you do. When he's explaining everything he's doing to Darby, when he when he unveil... When the mirror... When the mirror comes down, he's fucking crazy. He's like, I'm going to cut your eyelids off so you can't close your eyes. It's so hard to watch. My way to watch. Yeah.

He's recording it. I'm like, why is he recording it? sends the tape to Nick's house. Really tough. Mine is, I like the cellmate. I like the cell phone. And I like the parking lot. That whole stretch is fantastic. That's where it's like, we're past,

Dan Campbell's like going for it on fourth and 38 at this point. You don't even know where it's going. What's the most 2009 thing about this movie? It's got to be a crucial iPod scene. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Two years later that, no way this happens, right?

Because everything comes out on the phone at that. Yeah, yeah. This is kind of the end of the iPod. It's like one of those big fat ones. And you had to plug it into the big speakers. I also had no social media in place to be outraged by the plea bargain for the two killers. Like that would have been a big thing on Twitter. Right.

Can you fucking believe it? Can you fucking believe this guy? We'd turn the new Karen Reed case. This guy, why wouldn't he try the case? They definitely did it. Well, that's what I have. The existence of true crime would have completely changed this movie. Right.

They would have done documentary about this. By the way, the documentary about Clyde after he did all the stuff he did, but that's 10 parts on Netflix. They should have done that. You fucking... Yeah. After Clyde did all of this, Clive's going to be a fucking hero. There's going to be a Clyde side of Twitter, the Clyde Proud Boys faction.

Like, Clyde called me the fucking man. What's the name of the guy who killed the United CEO? There'd be a little bit of that to Clyde. The whole fucking shit, Clyde going to be the man in the world we live in today. they should just make a true crime documentary about Clyde like he was a real person. I agree. That's a good idea.

Just interview people. Making fake documentaries about fictional crime characters is kind of awesome. Fantastic idea. It's like Clyde. People... We should cut this. We should take this out of the podcast. And we should do a ringer movie's thing

where we do fake true crime docs about characters and we should actually do that. True crime talk about John Doe from 7 is kind of sweet. Like, you could even, you could do like, How many, the victims of Vito Coyone? Like, how many people over the course of his life did Vito Coyone kill? Problem is you'd have to get some of the actors to come back and reprise their roles for the interviews. Yeah, they tried this. They did a fake 30 for 30 that I was done about, but about Drago, I think.

Didn't work? Oh, it sucks? Yeah. Kind of too corny. Because wouldn't you need, like, Brad Pitt from Seven to sit back down in character and give an interview? Yeah. Maybe. Maybe you would.

Or if you had the right voiceover, you wouldn't need it. I mean, you could do it without it, but. Yeah. Yeah. The Floyd Gondale butter on my ass, lollipops in my mouth the word for something I just enjoy. So for me, it's any movie where a lawyer is trying to protect

either a high conviction rate or a high plea bargain rate. I always love this. They always put in the first, they didn't few good men. First 20 minutes. What kind of lawyer are you? Oh, well, you plea bargain 98% of the time, Kathy.

You always know the guy's a piece of shit. It's the easiest way to explain it to us. Devil's advocate? Go. Devil's advocate, Kaila Reeves, the guy fucking never loses, right?

And that's a part of his hubris in the entire movie. Oh, devil's advocate. Devil's advocate. Like, oh, you thought I was saying I want to be the devil's advocate.

No. In the movie, the devil's advocate, that's another thing. Literally devil's advocate. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

What do you have for Gondali? Oh, I said earlier. I like movies where something tragic has to happen for a guy to be a father. Like,

he's not a dad. He's not a dad. Right. He was never going to a cellar recital in his life. doesn't go to the son's baseball game, terrorists take over to town, kill 50 people,

and after that, the last scene of the movie, he's at his son's baseball game. That's what it took for him to go out there and coach him how to throw a fastball. Which isn't connected, like, Nick going to his daughter's cellar recital

isn't connected to what he learned from the movie. Which is why, if the tie started strangling him, like, I don't know. If the tie starts strangling him during the cello recital, this movie's fucking amazing. I like honestly this is this becomes this becomes like a seven level kind of twist

he's like wow Clyde taught me a lot about the justice system so I have to go to my daughter's chelvel recital right exactly my whole fucking team is dead everybody's dead a guy got stabbed with a bone in his neck so now I should go watch her player an instrument plus I'm now the DA and the mayor of Philadelphia right I got promoted three times I have all four of the high-ranking jobs of the city what's age the best um so initially Fox was going to be the Clyde Butler was going to be the lawyer

and Butler pushed to flip it Oh Butler pushed to flip it? Yeah, Butler had a whole I'll find it. I think it's better the way it is. He said maybe I think Jamie plays that role though better than he played his

I think Jamie probably I think he plays his role better but I don't think it's a good use of Butler. I think Butler is awesome in his role. Yeah. I don't think Jamie's going to be better than him. Butler said, I became seduced by the other role. I'd often played more heroic, more straightforward, subtle journey.

I wanted something that could get my teeth into. And I asked if Jamie would be interested in doing the other role. That's awesome. Yeah. The fact that they could talk about that, the movie was supposed to go that way, and then they flip roles. I think it's a worst movie. I wouldn't buy Butler as the lawyer. I think it's probably a worst movie.

It is a, I think it's a better role for Jamie, though. And the fact that he was, the fact that it's an away game for him. A good one for anybody. Yeah. Like this could have been, I even think like Tom Cruise, like name anybody. Another one's age the best. The all-new to rest. What a choice.

The cops are coming. I'm stripping all my clothes. I'm just going to flap it around. He's the Butler added himself to the Pantheon. I've talked about this before. Of white guys on their way up and their sexiness. Show their butts to the camera. Him.

Kevin Costa, Rodder Hood, Men of Thieves, Mel Gibson, butts to the camera, Tom, butts to the camera, very important to white guys. Also, Gerard Butler is a hairy guy. Yeah. Scottish.

Bare naked ass, nothing, not a hair on it. They always do that in movies. These hairy men, when they have to show their butts, no hair ever. Do you think they get waxed? 100%. 100%. I just think no matter what,

they're like, they can't be a hairy ass on screen. I'm surprised he didn't salt burn on us and do a little self-fluffing for the front shot. Can I get it? Yeah. Morwood's the best filly as a movie location? I'm underrated. Always good. I always forget where we are right away, but then as we do it

and you're in the city, it's like, I kind of like it. Everything's confined. That's why it's an awesome movie location, because you don't recognize it, like, off the bat, but you know that it looks cool. Yeah. I wish they used it a little more. I wish Clyde was like, the Rocky statue is going to explode at midnight.

That would have been cool. Oh, my God. The spectrum. Yeah. I think the city wouldn't have been upset until the rocky statue was just blown up. The Liberty Bell will fall. I have one more, what's edge of best, but you have any? Regina Hall.

She's in this movie only for, like, a couple of scenes. She was already building, like, a phenomenal career. But, like, you see her, she looks beautiful. She's amazing. And she still brings, like, a gravitas to the character to where, you know, Like, now you see the credit she has now. You can see it right there, even in the smaller role. She's like three scenes too short in this movie.

But I also, this movie's almost two hours. This is. My other one of the woods age the best. I like when a guy has a special set of skills that you need another character to explain. And in this case, he basically can kill anyone unconventionally. But you need the guy to come in who's, you know, we're in like a tunnel with this dude.

We don't even know where that character came from. He's like, you don't understand. He can get to anyone. He doesn't have to be there. It's like, okay, cool. That's the House of Cards guy, right? Yeah. That guy.

Yeah. Great shot, Gordor Award. Probably the naked arrest. That's what you like, huh? It's like the most deliberate shot in the movie. I thought it was the burning at the end when he's sitting there. Oh, that's good. And it's like, yeah.

Big Cooner Burger Award, best use of food to drink, the Del Friscoe Steakhouse. actually made me kind of hungry. Food looked pretty good. I would have thrown in some potatoes or grotton, maybe. I don't know if I would have included asparagus. I feel like that's... No exparagus? What do you eat with your steak then?

What's your green? I mean, sure, on a normal day, but if we're in like final meal territory, I don't know if I'm including a vegetable. That's true. Our director, Gary Gray, threw this in because they had been eating at Del Frisco Steakhouse

and really liked it. So wanted to work them into the movie. Threw them above. Got a little perk, a little steak perk. Chess Ropwell, Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name. So Butler's character is named Clyde Shelton and Fox's character is named Nick Rice.

Kind of makes sense that initially, Jamie Fox's character was supposed to be Clyde Shelton and Gerard Butler was supposed to be Nick Rice and they flipped it, but they didn't flip the names? How many white guys named Clyde in American history? That's really good. Three? Yeah, I didn't even think about that.

What if the names... Nick Rice? Jamie Fox does not look like a Nick Rice. What if his name was supposed to be Darius Jackson? They just leave. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness where our best needle drop Eminent's front by the Who. Remember from Craig's favorite show, Antirush? Yeah.

Where'd you, which side were you on when Doug Allen versus Grenier and Piven with the bed ads? Well, I'm not on the side of Jake Paul ever. So I guess I'll have to take Ellets, right? Team Ellen. Yeah. I don't like it. you guys are talking about.

What are you talking about? The gambling ad with Piven and Grenier and it seemed like an entourage scene, but it wasn't. You didn't see that? Then the entourage creator got upset about it. Jay Paul has a gambling app. Made a commercial for it. You don't miss anything on the internet.

I don't understand. It stars Pivot and Adrian Grenier. Well, what era is this? What do you mean? Two weeks ago? Yeah. Oh, it just happened. Okay, cool.

I'm off Twitter. And they're playing Ari Gold and Vinnie Chase, but they don't see their names, but they're speaking like them. They're at a party. And there's like now, I think HBO, It's suing.

Piven shows up and he's trying to get in the party and ask for his name and he's like, Ted Lasshole. And he's like, where's my movie star, motherfucker? And it's like, okay, this is clearly an entourage.

Yeah. And it's like a big wide shot of a party and it's Jake Paul's party and it just feels like an entourage thing. Why didn't they like it? Because it felt like an entourage repos. It was like a blatant. Oh, so he didn't like it because of that. Not because of,

not because it was basically made it seem like it was the two characters. It didn't make it seem like it was Pivin. The creative thing for him. He wasn't like, don't use it for ad. Ellen wasn't included in the process. And he was like, and he was just like, this is a watered down version of, you know.

The funniest thing was he started out like, I'm not going to make a big deal of this. And then he did like three tweets along Instagram videos. Also, like, even though it was kind of cheesy, I still kind of liked seeing them at Grinier and. I got to be out of saying. It's still kind of fun.

Man. I was like, Vince! You go back and if you spin the show, you are so happy to be back in the world. bro. It's just, it's a fun time. Reminds you of a fun time. Next little snapshot of L.A. in the 2000s.

They could relaunch it now and I'd watch every episode. It'd be much more interesting. From your mouth to Doug Allen's ears. He's ready. Was there a better title for this movie? I want to say yes, but I couldn't come up with the title. So I have one. Okay.

The name of my title is, shut the hell up, Nick. That's the name of my title. That's the name of my movie. Every time Nick says something, every time Nick says something, the opposite happens in a terrible fucking way. He's out there with his whole crew, they're in the parking lot, and he goes, we're going to find this guy

and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, everyone dead. Every time he says something. So if he just doesn't speak. If he just fucking chills, maybe everything is okay, but legitimately, every time Nick has a thought,

the opposite. They make this guy look so dumb throughout this entire movie. It's a good point. I love the scene when Clyde's like, get me a nice mattress and I'll confess. And then, Nick leaves and he's like, we don't negotiate with murderers.

And his team's like, what the fuck you talk about? Get him a goddamn threat. He's going to confess. Ben, you have a flex category. Yeah, so my top five, we shouldn't have fuck with this guy moving. Oh. Okay. So there's a lot of movies like this out here.

But I tried to use body counts and consequences to qualify this list. You have to have Death Wish on the list at five. But, like, Death Wish has sort of a. conservative body count with all of the first only not can be killed in the first movie but throughout the entire

movies he kills 125 people so she'll never mess when him 125 people die number four to equalizer Denzel

okay should have left him alone Robert was chilling and a lot of stuff but throughout that he becomes a vigilante kills a whole Russian mob over the course of three movies kills up a bunch of people

number three taken yeah taken is interesting in this because what you guys talked about before taken, I feel like, is the only one where somebody else didn't describe to us how good Brian Mills is.

Brian said it. So, like, normally you bring a guy in and it's like, this is the baddest motherfucker ever. But Brian goes, no, I have a very particular set of skills. He also told this guy, I don't really care about human trafficking. If you give me my daughter back, you can traffic all you want.

Knock yourself out. Yeah, I'm not going to bother you. I like this. So Brian was a self-promoter. Brian was a self-promoter. Because we just did Rambo's. Two with Kyle Brandt. Kyle Brandt was saying

how Troutman was Rambo's wrestling manager basically. He's like, you don't understand what we've got here. Man's a killing machine. Everybody else has somebody Yeah, they have a Trouman. Right, but like Brian was like,

I'm going to come to get you. I have all of these skills. Let my daughter go. All right, number two is first blood. Yeah. Rambo was not bothering anyone. Brian didn't he. She just wanted to, wanting some breakfast. Just walking through the town.

Walking through time. He got to lose at him at one time, like very sincerely and goes, why are you riding me? Like, what are you doing? Yeah. Goes into wood, kills all the cops over these movies. He went around the world killing. Killed in the U.S., Vietnam, Afghanistan, Myanmar, and Mexico. Right.

They initiated Rambo and people died everywhere. There's an altering universe where he's just working at a blockbuster through the entire 80s. Where he started an Italian restaurant in the Pacific Northwest. Yeah. Just chilling. He's going to therapy. It's kind of hanging out with his own. Rambo's Italian restauroree. Exactly. The whole deal where he's not bothering no one. Yeah.

But they fuck with him. and they unleashed the demon. Number one, obviously, John Wick. They killed the dog. Then John Wick proceeded to kill 439 people in seven months. 439 people in seven months after they stole the car and killed the dog. He completely obliterated the high table. It is one of the worst mistakes in the history of organized crime and movies.

It's a good list. Rebel Ridge. Shout out other movies. on I didn't make it, but Rebel Ridge is another one. What they could have left out? Need a Rebel Ridge, too. Rebel Ridge, three. Yeah.

That was a good one. We'll take a break, and then we'll do Butch's girlfriend. Butch's girlfriend award for Weeklink of the film. This could go a lot of ways. Couldn't he just killed everyone normally? Nick. Okay. Not Nick.

Clyde. Clyde. Couldn't Clyde him just, did he need to take 10 years to do this elaborate murder of everybody? Could have just killed Darby when he got out of jail. Yeah. Could have killed all the people? Could he killed the judge?

Like, he just could have snipered him. He had to, like, dig tunnels for 10 years to get his revenge. But I... What was his ultimate point? The system was fucked up? Just kill everybody. You're killing everyone anyway. But if he anonymously is killing all these people,

he's not a public figure in prison who's making a point to the justice system. And everybody knows that this man who was wronged by the system is now getting his... All right. So, let's say we're friends with Nick. And Nick's like, here's my plan. be like, dude, just kill everyone. Clyde. Clyde. Yeah. Clyde, just kill everyone.

Yeah. This would be 10 years of your life. Just take them all out. Because you know how to kill people. Yeah. Just get out of it. He could still, like, write letters and send emails. Right.

This is the... He could probably go on the news, do an interview after he does it all. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, then we don't have a movie. Darby gets out after five years. He lets him live for another five years. Yeah.

I guess... Think about all to have fun that Darby looked like he was having fun. How many more people did Darby kill? because Clyde was taking his time. The judge, Jamie Fox, are going to do more damage? Like, why do he wait so long? He's basically waiting

until the lethal injection to start his revenge thing. Or maybe he had to finish all the tunnels. But this is, this is, the guy's fucking maniac. But this is part of the movie, though, part of the movie, though,

is there, after the film kicks off, you feel for him. And so there's going to be an implicit sense of altruism and whatever he does. Yeah. But it's really not.

It's like the difference between justice and revenge. Like, like, Satan, and Batman begins, justice is harmony. Revenge is making yourself feel better. So he really didn't have a point, which is why he did it in such as Staccato, scattershot way. The other weak link would be him being able to be in isolation

and just being able to move in and out and nobody realizing. Also, like, those are the most elaborate isolation. Like, I'm used to Oz where you're just in like a round cement box with, you're just naked the entire time. His thing has like nooks and crannies,

the ability to go in and out. And he was just able to build tunnels for all 20 spies. By the way, the tunnels are very manicured and extremely nice. Yes, there's a lot of them. There's like brick. Right. Was he rich? Like, I feel like all of this stuff that he was doing

require a lot of technology. Batman. Yeah. But also he started a whole janitorial service called nomos that he's working in the mayor's office and they know him they're like hey nomo what's going on so he's like so he's also working at does this guy sleep well he's also that's a full shift

he's got to work right so he can't yeah exactly so he's got to leave so it's like Clyde what are you doing today? 9 to 4 I got to dig some tunnels then I got my janitor shift from 4 to 12 just fucking kill everybody this really might be Apex Mountain for

like the long con oh yeah I mean, 10 years of planning this and him taking up a shift. And he's kidding. And then he also has to dig all the tunnels. Maybe he contracted guys out there to do it, you know. New award. The Death Wish 2 Award for Did this Home Invasion scene go too far? It's obviously it seems like his wife gets raped.

I would say they don't really show it. No, it doesn't go too far. But what happens is grotesque. The little girl shows up. Yeah. And that guys, I love playing with kids or whatever it says. Maybe that line's too far. Yeah, at that part, we're out of here, man.

But at that point, it's like... It allows you to kind of get behind Clyde the whole movie. Like, you keep thinking back to that scene. And so then every time Clyde does something, you're kind of like, I still get it. How come he and John Wick himself out of that situation? How come he, like, in that situation, he got hit with the fucking battle. Oh, I guess John Wick didn't John Wick himself out of that situation. Yeah, so I had this in Nip-Picks, but we can do it now.

This guy, by all counts, is one of the fucking. the great murderers and planers of all time. They get a postmates. He obviously might have some people with an axe to grind, right? He doesn't even look through the little eyehole. Doesn't just like, oh, hmm, smells good. The guy hits him in the head of the bat. Makes no sense.

It's night. It's dark out. He doesn't look through the peephole. He just opens the door for strangers. Who just opens a door at night without looking to see who's there? He's a CIA operative and he just opens the door for strangers. Somebody that's that hypervisional it as well. No way.

Other people might have been like, hey, whatever, but this guy with this murder around every corner and whatever like that, he just wouldn't have been that way. Ridicrous. What stage is the worst? The Philly accents are just not existing in this movie. They didn't even try. They didn't even try.

They just said, fuck it. No Philly sports references? This is like the Phillies that I think are in the World Series in 2009. Sixers, not really sure what was going on with them in 2009. Probably nothing great. But the Eagles. Andrew Eagle Dala? Yeah.

early Iguidawa The Eagles are I don't know Felt like somebody could have been like oh I'm going to the Flyers game tonight or some sports is such a big part of Philly Um Here's my other one though

Chase Utley will die tonight If I don't get a Delphrix go steak Or have them in a game Like have them at like a Phillies game And then you know They get some message on the board Sometimes I like it when the killers In these movies

Just say like a passing reference It's like yeah You probably love it. loving it with your family going to the birds game or something like that. Like just a passing reference to it. It's something Clyde would have done. You catch the Phillies game, Nick? You like Chase Sutley? Good player, isn't he? Ryan Howard hits bombs.

I do bombs. She liked that Elton brand signing, Nick? My other one's age the worst. It's just Bala Davis is in this movie who's one of our better actors of the last 20 years. She's completely wasted. She's in the mayor for like three scenes. She has lines like, you boys, sure fuck the swan.

up. It's like, do we need Viola Davis for this? But look, earlier, but she's also, she also pops up, like, for a brief second in, uh, damn, I'm drawing a blank. Well, she's in Black Hat. No, no, no, no, no, no. She's in a bunch of movies where it's like, why is Viola Davis? She's like a legitimizer. People just throw

in a movie to raise the floor. She popped up. What was it? One scene in Out of sight. Right. Yep. One scene in out of sight. She pops up. Interesting character. But, like, I think she was still on the, you know, took a while. If you have her, I'm writing three more scenes with the mayor. The mayor is going to just be more involved in the movie.

Any other what stage is the worst for you? No, I say just Nick. Every time I watch it, I'm like, yo, Nick sucks. The Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character was actually good at his job? Mayor Vio Davis. She's like, first of all, everybody blows up. And she has this speech and she goes, I'm going to have to swear you in as the new DA.

as she's uprating him for all the damage that he just caused. You don't want to have a little search here for a week? Right. This got to be Nick. Are you crazy? Nick is the worst, bro. Nick, this got to be Nick. No, Nick, Nick for no reason, by the way.

Nick, take it to trial. You're going to win. Like, you're going to win. You don't think that Nick is the worst. Nick is the worst DA that I've ever seen. He's the worst everything. He shakes a rapist's hand on television. Right.

This sort of been like the jack. where I was bringing an urban Meyer in and being like, this is going terribly, you're now the GM. Exactly. Like, you've got to be Nick. We'd like to have you also be in charge of the players. The Rough Lohanor Rubidic Partridge Overacting Word, I think goes to Darby.

Okay. Darby was laying in on thick. I think that could have been a really good criminal role for somebody, and that guy, I've never seen him before. I don't know where that guy came from. You didn't look greasy and disgusting. I get it. That could have been a really good part, though, for somebody.

I was fascinated by his day-to-day. Mm-hmm. You know, him laying in that. Nashville apartment. Darby was getting to it. He also, he got up out of there quick, man. He turned into Jason Bourne on the roof for a second. Did we talk about that scene?

That, like, that, that's the Matrix. That's Neo, like, go left, go right, go. In that situation, that's the Matrix. That was a fun scene to me. Really good scene. Yeah. Little shades of the fugitive. Sierra thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harris,

Ford out of stake a word. Did you prepare one for this? I did not, because I did not know I was going to be sitting in this chair. Did you prepare one for this? Yeah, so Sarah. Which is Leslie Bibb? Yeah. She deserved to die.

She should have found husband? She should. Like, it was just... She's working too hard? Sarah deserved to die. I can tell you what's going to happen with Sarah. Down the road... She's going to make a run at Nate?

It was going to... Nick. Down the road, Sarah, talking about Chip, the boyfriend. They're already getting a little too, familiar. I know. I would argue that maybe it already happened. Down the road, Sarah was a scene missing. When they jumped

to 10 years later, you're like, man, they've been working together for 10 years. I'm telling you, what was going to end up happening is Nick becomes a governor or something like that. He brings Sarah to the NWA CP Awards. Everybody goes crazy on Twitter. I'm telling you, Sarah was that had to happen like that. She's a single mom. Because she might have cheated

on her boyfriend with Nick. I put the black family ahead of everything. She's a single mom of the biracial baby, but she's like, it's adopted. It's adopted. Here's my hottest take. I think Gerard Butler should have been James Bond 20 years ago instead of Daniel Craig. Interesting.

I think it's a great fork in the road. I think they were both at around the same points of their career, and I think he would have been a better James Bond. I would have rather seen him in Casino Royale, Skyfall. Name a James Bond movie. I'd rather, Butler. I think it would have been fun as Bond. got older and fatter from all the cigarettes and drinks.

So this is why you are who you are. Because this is the most entertaining, total bullshit take. Thank you. That I can, like, really wrap my mind around. But it is fascinating to even consider it when you consider the trajectory of both guys' careers and how successful Daniel Craig was as Bond. Yeah. And the fact that Dr. R.

Butler kind of couldn't make Olympus's Fallen work. So when you look at it through that lens, it's like this almost dazzling, dazzling, dazzling putrid take, but it's very entertaining. Yeah, that's what, that's the fucking thing, yeah. Also, if he's James Bond,

is he now in better shape? Do we get Denna Thieves? Because he can't play somebody like Nick, because he's got him staying James Bond shape. Right. So you wouldn't have gotten, wait, what about Daniel Craig and Denna Thieves?

Maybe that's what happens. Right. Daniel Craig could have been in law-abiding citizen. He's right. could have been Clyde. He's got a little bit of that grit to him. So you don't think Gerard Butler could have been James Bond. You know, I could, I think that James Bond,

draw Butler's brand is brutality. Yeah. And James Bond's, there's a swabness. There's a swabness and a subtlety to it. Is Gerard Butler ordering martinis and sleeping with mistresses at casinos? I don't know if I, in a suit. He's also got that Scottish thing where he kind of talks out of a side of mouthful about it. Right. Would he have, could he keep

the Scottish accent as Bond? Or would he have to... I will say this, though. He is sort of... Oh, you're coming around. Well, no. Look, I entertain every idea. It's my problem. Like, it... He does kind of fit into the Sean Connery Man's Man version of James Bond that had kind of been subverted by that point. But no, it's

fucking terrible, but it is an interesting thought experience. I feel coming around. Casting what ifs? We mentioned the Butler Fox thing. This movie was originally supposed to be directed by Frank Darabont from Shawshank Redemption Creative Differences left the movie. He was like, I can't do another movie

with tunnels leading to jail cells. Maybe that's why they wanted him. He's a creative differences guy. There's been a few of those. Like even Walking Dead, he ended up suing AMC for Walking Dead. So, that word. Okay. Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy.

Cole Meaney is the guy who ends up basically, he's the only one that survives other than Jamie Fox. the sidekick, he's been in a bunch of shit. He's like Star Trek guy, right? Mystery Alaska, like he's been around forever. But I think people, some people might know he's Cole Mini.

The Warden. Oh. Is a full-fledged over-the-top back guy. It's not Bruce McGill. Bruce McGill is Bruce McGill? Bruce McGill is Bruce McGill. Okay, cool. The warden was played by President Logan from 24.

I didn't even know what this guy's name was. I had to go look it up. Yeah. Yeah. He was the evil president in 24. I didn't know what his name was, but it's Gregory Itson. Huh.

He was the warden, so I think he wins. The only other guy I throw out is the dude who plays Clyde's co-worker. Oh, that got around. Michael Kelly. Oh, well, no. Michael Kelly.

He just got added to season three of Landman. Landman. Which makes me think, I'm not going to spoil anything. But he is also on Lioness, so I feel like he's maybe sort of ascended past. You think he's Michael Kelly? I think he's Michael Kelly.

Yeah. Deon Waiter's a word. I can offer you Darby. Clyde's old co-worker, Michael Kelly. Leslie Bibbs isn't in it too much, but I think the answer is Clyde's cellmate. They're doing a whole separate movie for five minutes. I'm like, I kind of spent 20 more minutes with this guy.

Yeah, I got a couple bitches back home. I got cross. You know what I'm saying? They made us like that guy. Yeah, I was in on that guy. It's Dean Waiters. He checked. Recasting Couching Couch Director's City.

Can I offer you Denzel and Tom Hanks making Philadelphia? Are you fucking nuts? I cannot believe you just said that. You had that too? I cannot believe like, I cannot believe that you just said that. That was my big reveal for this thing.

The Philadelphia's shadow sequel that actually has that Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington in it. We just go law-abiding citizen three years later after Philadelphia or two years later. My approximation of myself has gone down to such a degree. Who's going up?

I thought that what you would do is have Denzel as Clyde and have Tom as, like, the Jamie Fox character. Yeah. Or we go the other way and Tom Hanks finally breaks bad. He's finally a bad guy in a movie. He gets, like, ripped. It's like fake tattoos. Neck tattoo?

Yeah. Goes, shows his ass. It's like this is that Tom Hanks we've never seen. Waxes his ass. Yeah. I feel like Denzel's made nine versions of this movie, but never actually made this movie. But he's done a bunch of these. Just so you believe me.

I believed you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Paine, you should be excited that we had the same idea instead of upset. Yeah, stuff. Craig, you have a flex category. I was going to do the Kevin Costner Award for the worst American accent, which has got to go to Gerard Butler.

He just, the Scottish is falling out of his mouth with every line. Is he even trying to do an American accent? You like mac and cheese? It's just not fair. It's not like they're like, this is the best we're going to get. Let's just keep going. But is he supposed to be American? Yeah, I think so.

Well, I would think so. He's a CIA operative. Maybe he's some kind of got it works for everybody. My take on this always consistently is just have your normal accent. Totally. Like Chris Hemsworth and Black Cat trying to have the Brooklyn accent. Just be Australian. Who cares?

We never remember it. Like, in Robin Hood, in the movie that this is named after, he's, I don't know, guys from fucking Long Island or whatever, like robin of Long Island, but it doesn't even fucking matter. Like, you don't remember it.

It's a good one. Delfisco steak, Nick. And you're just like, come on. Would you like some steak? Half a certain research. Butler loved the script because he actually graduated from Glasgow Law School. And Glasgow.

Wait, wait. What did you just say? He graduated from law school in Scotland. Yeah. I never knew that. And was a trainee solicitor and got fired and then decided to become an actor. He also said this movie really fucked with him.

He spent three weeks in a very funky place, came back to Scotland, went away, climbed a couple hills, got a 10 out, and then went off to India. He might be one of the five most interesting people in the world. Yeah. I feel like he would be a good BS podcast, Jared. You've ever talked to him?

No, I would love him, though. He'd be great. That sounds great. I would just ask a lot of Denny Thieves questions. They filmed in Philadelphia. Butler said that there was one scene when he kills the guy

when the blood was gushing it no when he kills the guy in the cell we had guys working on this who had worked in the industry for 30 years so we're standing in front of the cameras with their hands over their mouth going holy fucking shit I've never seen anything like that it was incredibly graphic and powerful but the ratings board said we had to be rated

NC 17 oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so they somehow cut that down. I thought that's a pretty brutal scene. There is blood everywhere. How could that scene have been worse? Yeah, to see what it was before they trim. Was it like just pouring out of his neck?

I know. He stabbed them. It already poured out of his neck. Ten, twenty times with the shit. Yeah. Yeah. His name Nomos, the cleaner, the janitor identity had. In Greek, it means law related to the idea of dispensing

justice. And then Bruce McGill, two car explosion deaths for him in his career. The other one was, what movie? We've done it in rewatchable. The last boy scout. There you go. I was thinking there should be a website that has all the deaths, all the deaths of the actors.

Oh, interesting. It almost like IMDB for death just to see who had the most, who's died the most. Yeah, how they died.com. That's great. Yeah. Somebody should work on that. That scene in the last boy Scott is great.

Head or gut. Gets punched. Blows up. Apex Mountain. Jarre R Butler? What is it? 300, right? It's probably mid-2000s.

Mid-2000s. Coming out of 300 felt like the world was the next big guy. Yeah. Jamie Fox probably after Ray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ray collateral. He wins for Ray and is nominated for Collateral same year. is the biggest fucking thing in the whole industry.

I don't know what it is for Lesa Gibb. I mean, she was Jay Lotus. Tal'Daga Nights as well, kind of close to this. But, yeah, White Lotus. I guess it would. She's the lead in Talladega Nets, right? It would have to be Taledgan Nights, though.

She's the lead lady. Yeah. Yeah, it has been Talmudfiel. Philadelphia law movies. I'm going to say Philadelphia. Still has that one. Vigilante movies. I'm going to say Death Wish. Del Friscoekehouse, definitely.

Mm-hmm. And then Double Eagle. Eminence Front. Still probably the first episode of Ones. Montereux. Yeah. Right? Sure.

What did you say? What would you say the what? Eminence Front. Oh, the Who song. Oh, the Who song. Yeah, yeah. Bam. Na-N-N-A-N-A-T-D-T-D-T-D.

Cruz or Hanks? Well, that's why I had it. I had Cruz and the Philadelphia's shadow sequel with Hanks and Nick as Dinsel and Clyde. Cruz would be a phenomenal Clyde. It's the role I always kind of want a Cruz to do. The many roles I've wanted Cruz to do. What? Just like a law-abiding citizen where collateral is the

closest he came to be in Dark Cruz, but this would have been a good version of it. The thing is, he was so good at it. It was so seamless in collateral. The fact that he never spent time as that in movies, as much as he should have, in collateral, it is so natural. Almost grounds his performance in a different way.

It's like he's a different human. Cruz would have crushed Clyde, like the hyper-fixated, like manic, meticulous, over the top. Yeah, you would have totally bought it. He would have learned, like, how to make bombs. We'd have learned how to tunnel. Yeah. I was tunneling under my house for six months to understand tunneling.

Does he have any running to do, though, in this one? They would have added some. Put some running in there somewhere. I think parking lot, when he has to park in the garage at the end, he probably has to run. Yeah. What do we think of that interview, by the way? Which one? The Cruz GQ.

Oh, I haven't watched it yet. I saw it. See, Craig was thinking Cruz would be a good rewatchable's guest, and we argued back and forth about it. I think he would be. And my take was he would not be. he'd be phenomenal Would he be good at actually talking about the movie though He would be one of the best ever

He didn't I'd be answer I'd be like all right Tom What's your most rewatchable scene And it'd be like You know I think one of the best things about race car driving Is the feeling you get Who cares? If Tom Cruise is sitting in the scene I'm in it

I don't think he would have answered a single category question I love this Talk your shit Tom Cruise is not good enough for my movie podcast We've talked about these movies I'm asking if he would have been good All I want to do is I think that Tom Cruise, if you've ever listened to him when he gets going talking about movies and talking about like performance.

I tried to listen to him in the GQ interview and he was incoherent. Well, I think what's nice is when he sits down for a GQ interview, you have to ask about him. And he is very skilled at skirting around things. If he's sitting down talking about a movie, he can just talk about the movie. If you have him in here with doing Days of Thunder, that's going to go crazy. He'll probably tell great stories. But he wouldn't do a movie he's in because we usually don't do that. All right.

So Tom Cruise, don't be a wuss. Come on the rewatchables. There you go. Proved me wrong. I had another category. What's going on with this guy? The Ed Norton Reversedunk Award for Did This Movie Need a Random Sports Scene. Okay.

What's on with this? Let me give you this. Jamie Fox, he's playing, he has a Saturday morning basketball game. Basketball. Plays with some of the people, some of the people like in the legal community. Saturday morning is like 9 o'clock. Right. And the Gatorade jug is poison.

by Clyde. No, the basketball, somebody's going for a layup and the basketball just blows up, blows up five, but Fox through the pass. So he didn't get it. Yeah. Yeah. Rap is playing? Are you trying to make this?

What sport would we have done? What do you want to hit? Tennis? I was trying to think of a Gerard Butler trying to blow up some sort of sporting event. I'm fucking with you. I mean, tennis would be good, too, I guess. No, no, no, no, no.

Basketball is the best because the guy's going for the layup. Yeah. And the ball just explodes? Or he's like, he's like, somebody's mad because they won't swing the rock. It's like, hey, you're not passing the ball. Nick, you're taking every shot because Nick is like arrogant. And so Nick goes, fuck it. And he passed the ball to the guy.

And the guy's as soon as the ball gets there. Slow-bell. It just blows up, rips the fucking skin off of his face. Yeah, then when I was thinking was softball would be great. It's like the, I just don't know if they would have been playing a lot of Philadelphia softball as the city was blowing up. Right. But Fox is the pitcher and throws the ball and the guy hits.

The thing that I love is that he's actually playing this game while all of this shit is happening, which is exactly what his dumb-ass character in this movie would do. It's like, I can't skip my Saturday Hoops game. I can't go, I can't go to see my daughter play the cello. We're in the 70s. Sorry. The Van Nathan Award, did this movie need more black people? I don't think so.

I think we're good. You think we're good? Okay. Because if the more people that you have in this movie, the higher the body count goes, and I think it's good that we were spared. Picky Nits. We've mentioned a few of them already. I mean, there's a good question of two guys

just randomly rape and murder the wife and daughter of somebody who's Kaiser Sozay and don't realize it. Pretty massive coincidence. Of all the houses to go to? But this is another way that this movie could have been a little smarter and maybe the Fincher version

is that this is not just some random crime that happens to this guy. This is something that happens in a different way. And like, you start to learn. and all of that throughout the movie. When Nate, Nick, Nate, Nick, Jamie Fox's character,

when he shakes Darby's hand in front of all the reporters, he could never do that. Nobody's that stupid. It's the dumbest thing he does in the movie. Right. You're like, no, I'll hold it on the handshake. Right.

I can rape this guy. So he was in the isolation cell. No cameras in this cell? And once stuff starts blowing up, Nobody says, we should put a camera in that cell to see what he's up to, what he's doing. They're not just photographing him 24-7 to make sure he's not doing shit. I mean, yeah, he's now the most dangerous guy in the whole city. If you're the mayor, you're going to call that one in?

Hey, let's put a camera in the cell so we know what he's doing. Also, on the Clyde side of things, at the end of the movie, wouldn't Clyde have noticed that Nick in what's his name broke into his warehouse, went into the tunnel, moving things around? Yeah. Clyde was in there after that. He would have noticed. And by the way, they broke into the warehouse.

How do these motherfuckers know how to do that? They don't know how to do that. That's the DA and a cop. How the fuck do they know how to do bombs and all that? They Google it? They don't know how to do none of that. I just think the biggest picking that is that the final crime that Clyde is trying to commit is the least inventive.

It's like the least smart. Just blowing up the mayor. He puts a bomb under a table. But by this point, though. And there's no cameras on it. He can't see it. Wouldn't he rig a camera to be able to see if anyone's messing? Oh, it means the function.

of it, not the actual... The function of it is very rudimentary. The mayor was giving a press conference and it was almost like how the bodyguard ended where it was like the cameraman ended up trying to shoot Whitney Houston. So he has the camera shooting by old Davis but really it's gonna kill her.

It would have been better if he'd have had some want if there was some ask of something that gave him some sort of purpose beyond carnage because to you guys' point, If it's just carnage, there's no reason to play all of these games. You wait until everybody is going to fuck into the thing. You just blow up and kill as many people as you can. Because the best part of this movie is every 10 minutes,

it's like, what is Clyde going to do next? What is the next elaborate scheme? And then the last one is he puts a bomb on a briefcase and puts it under a table. And you're like, this is a little overwhelming. How do they get to his jail cell before he does at the end is another one I've always wondered when I watch this movie? I guess you could say because he has to go to the, garage because you can't get through. Maybe they got bought more time, but he has a big head starting.

The biggest picking it is it is one thing for one of the richest men in the world to build a command center bunker under his mansion that exists outside of the city limits. With Wi-Fi and state-of-the-art cameras. So it's one thing for a guy named Bruce Wayne. It's like, hey, Verizon, I want to install my Wi-Fi and my underground bunker. Can we get fiber under here? It is another thing for a prisoner to down essentially be a super criminal in a base while incarcerated. It is so nonsensical that it makes absolutely zero sense. There are no guards just walking up and down.

There's nothing. That bitch moved like it moved in a while. It looks like it's climate controlled. There's electricity down there. Like in no fucking way. You see what he did he puts the pillow in the blanket under the other blanket. So it makes it seem like there's a body in there. Every other prison movie we've seen, they're like making fake heads with hair.

Half a pillow over there. Half a pillow over there. Is them making the live molds of themselves so they can fucking this kid? I love that movie. I just, I fucking love that movie. I was telling Craig about that movie. I haven't seen it. That's a North Carolina.

CR is a huge fan of that movie, too. That's a classic. We might have to do that one. Sneaky Hot Take. That movie's amazing. That's my favorite Eastwood movie of all the movies that he's done. That ain't unforgiven, obviously. But like, I love that one.

I'm not even going to ask you if you thought they actually got away. I'll save it for the podcast. Right. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all blackcast are untouchable. So May 22, they announced that there was going to be a sequel. May 22, when? Four years ago. Oh, shit.

Kurt Wimmer hired to return a screenwriter. Gerard Butler was going to be a producer. The producer, Lucas Foster, said, we look forward to revisiting these great characters and said the premise seems even more relevant today that when the original film was released but then three years later they basically said this isn't happening so later on

I'll just do it now of what happens the next day I have an idea for the sequel Zawatneo yeah we basically already talked about Nick realizes that Clyde set all kinds of booby traps

for him like in his world in case he died in case something happened to him and Billy Bob Thornton comes in gets hired as a former accomplice or like person of Clydes that has to get into his brain and figure out. Figure out all the booby traps out of the booby traps that went off

and are going to go out. That could be my basketball scene in the sequel. It's like, oh, he knew you played basketball on Saturdays. Can blow up the game. He races home because he gets told there's a bomb and a cello. I had for the sequel, I actually just had Nick goes to jail

because he blew up a prison probably all the people in it and security guards So it has nothing to do with one of the 30 people to get revenge on this guy who didn't give anyone a heads up I mean that was like a huge bomb

The prison might have collapsed Yo, this is the take There's no way he didn't kill a bunch of people 100% He's like he should be arrested at the cello recital Because when their bomb expert opened up the briefcase case when it was at Town Hall, he's like, this could take

out two floors. Right. And they just put that in his incline cell. So that thing takes out the whole floor in the jail. Some dude in his cell, he goes, God damn, man. You know, it's going to be tough. I only got three years on a minor weed charge. I'm going to do my time. That guy over there got a steak and mac and cheese. You're right. Like, I'm like, I'm good.

All of a sudden, he's fucking dead. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist? Everybody else. I'm trying to think of football for this. Go Collinsworth. We go Troy Aikman. Clyde's like Josh Allen out there, Mike. He's running the offense.

He's calling Audibles left and right. He's reading the defense. Oh, my, I can't get over, Clyde. Digging tunnels for 10 years. Just one Oscar, who gets it? Probably Butler, right? Yeah, I guess. Imagine if Butler got nominated for this?

They're like all these categories, and Gerard Butler for Longer. They just show scene of him stabbing his son. He's like, I'm going to cut your penis off with a box cutter. The audience is like Oscar Clarev. Probably in answer more questions. I only have one. So we talked about if there was a different ending for this movie.

What happens if Fox is at the cello recital for his daughter? And something jars his memory and he realizes the recital's about to blow up. And we go wide shot. And just the entire school blows up and that's the end of the movie. Bill. I'm trying to think how dark, how dark of an ending could this be?

Because, no, here's the whole school blows up. I think that's too dark. It's definitely too dark, yeah. Hundreds of kids died. But I wonder in the writer's room, did they, did they blow up a prison? Yeah. Well, yeah.

Different than children. What could they? Okay, what could they blow up? But could the recital, is there a moment where he's watching the recital and you do the thing where you did the fate and, And then you're like, oh no. Maybe when she plays a certain note, it triggers a bomb.

Yeah, like, I was trying to think of what movie this reminds me of, and it's Arlington Road. Did you ever see it? Arlington Road's great, and they actually follow the premise all the way they end. They follow it all the way through, yeah. Yeah. Don't, I'm not looking for yourself. Yeah.

But I was wondering, like, how dark could this get? The cello blowing up. Yeah. That's really dark as it gets, yeah. School blowing up really dark. Him starting to get strangled by his tie, I think would have actually been a really great... The appropriate...

Because he... Him doing this, like... Right. And then we do flashback of Butler in his closet, just adding shit to all his tie, adding his weird C-ass shit. Or Nick is sitting there during the recital watching his daughter play the cello,

and then he kind of looks stage right and behind the curtain is Clyde, and he just peeks his head out. And he's like... That would have been... Hard. Because maybe he sneaks back into the tunnel or something. Maybe he fucking escaped.

Yeah. Or something like that. No, but when we see the flames coming behind and we know he dies, they shouldn't have showed that. Yeah. I think they should have left it open. Maybe he didn't. We never found his body.

If Nick leaves, if Nick leaves and we don't see that, we would almost assume that he has survived. But they can still show the explosion when Nick's outside in the parking lot, but I don't think they should have shown the flames around Clyde. Right. Or she's playing the cell or recital and there's other people on stage, including the teacher with playing the piano. and Nick's kind of looking at the teacher

and realizes that it's Clyde. Clyde's playing the piano and kind of turns to Nick. Maybe a phone rings in his pocket and his wife's like, turn off your phone. He's like, I didn't bring my phone. Oh. Got you, motherfucker. Basically, Nick has to die in the last scene.

Yeah. I think we all agree. Yeah, I can't believe. It's a better movie. I can't believe Nick made it out a lot. Memorability you'd most want from this movie. I was going to say the sport from the jail scene, but I guess I'll say the steak bone.

Yeah. But definitely the bone could put it right there under Farah. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, Word, best worst life lesson. Lessons not learned in blood are soon forgotten. Yep. Lessons not learned in blood soon forgotten. Yep.

You believe that, Bill? Best double feature choice. Half Italian. Best double feature choice has to be denny thieves. You need both ends of butler. Butler when he has it And then Butler when he doesn't Both ends of Buller too

You want both in the motherfuckers too There you go Bill Go ahead and get to that I put rock and roller Just because I love rock and roller But then at days is a good one too Sure Maybe John Wick won

Oh Another revenge one And then I think we all think Butler won this movie Without a doubt Yeah By the way He wins

Most movies that he's in I agree And it don't matter. You don't want him as James Bond for some reason. No, fuck no. Hell no. But he wins most sweet on Daniel Craig. But that's kind of the design of the Butler.

I love Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig. I like Daniel Craig was a lot. He revolutionized a character. He really, like, it was like very important. He'd be Butler would have. We never gave him a chance. I'm a draw a Butler guy.

Me and Cole, I would say not. You don't think he should be James Bond. I don't think he should be. You know what? I also don't think he should play Malcolm X. That doesn't mean that. I think he should be in every movie. Right.

But Terrar Butler's Malcolm X would be a choice. Plymouth Rock. But we went to see every Olympus movie in theaters. I've never seen any of those fallen. Angels is falling. Are they good?

Everything's falling. They're fun. The first one is passable. This is better than any of those movies. It might not be better than the first one. I can make an argument for the first one. Olympus. I can make an argument for the first one.

What role would he play in the Colin Kaepernick sports? movie. Retired linebacker. Jim Tom Sulla. Let's see. What would he play? Jim Harbaugh? Maybe Harbaugh.

Jim Harbaugh with the Scottish accent. Maybe Harba. We got to do a little more shotgun coming out of there. We've got to use Colin's legs. But he has been underused, though. To me, I agree. I think he's great in Chasing Mavericks. That's not a movie that should be good and he's great.

For his physicality, I'm surprised he was never like a football player in a movie. That's true. He could have been a linebacker. Did he do sports movies? Did he do like what? Well, Dennis. He was a high school star. He could have been in the replacement.

He could have been in the replacements or something, you know? No question. Do you need to do your closer because you already talked about the movie? Anything left? No, I just, I think, I think the most interesting part of the movie is when you decide that you are no longer rooting for Clyde. Or does that ever come? When is it, when was it for you?

When Leslie Bid blew up, I was like, all right, he's killing paralegals and assistants now and people who are barely related to this case and he's kind of lost his mind. Yeah. But until then, I was like, I'm on board. And even until the end, there's still a percentage of you that's like, I get it.

That's one of the great reasons why this is a rewatchable movie. He's like, why am I fucking rooting for this guy? Right. He's a complete maniac. And I think maybe it's why purposefully Nick is not a likable character because if Nick was a great guy or more charming, you might be more against Clyde. but because Nick sucks,

I think you're in the back of your head, you're like still rooting for Clyde a little bit. Clyde's right until he becomes criminally and crazily wrong. This whole movie is like one big gray area and you just like don't quite know where to land. That makes it a rewatchable. Well put. Craig, thank you.

I can't believe you hesitated. Yeah, you did great. Well, I just, I walked in and he was like, you're in the third chair. I was like, oh, I didn't prepare to host. He's like, it'll be fine. Tracy Letts doesn't hesitate. Tracy Letts is great.

And have you seen I play Rocky? He's great in that. So you liked I play Rocky? That was really good. I had low expectations. I thought it, I don't know what I was expecting. I thought it was. And the guy who played Stallone was realistic?

He's amazing in it. Really? Yeah. It's a real crowd pleaser. I'm excited for it. And there's a sports movie coming out too, the, Mr. Relevant. Oh yeah, with the, what's his name? Maybe sports movies are making a comeback.

Yeah. I just didn't realize how interesting the Rocky story was. Like the whole negotiation about him with the studio, I didn't, it's pretty compelling. It was like a story of legend, like around the town for just the amount. It's an all-time bet on yourself. They offered him 25K for the script. He said, no, I want to star in it. And they went all the way up to $360,000 in 1974 for him not to star in the movie.

And he still said no. And they ended up allowing him to star in the movie for $20,000. And nine years later, he ended the Cold War. John Rambo. That's what happens. fan thank you Craig thank you thanks to Gahau and Eduardo and Chris as well back next week on the rewatchables

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