The Rewatchables - 'Mad Max: Fury Road,' With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Micah Peters, and Jason Concepcion
Episode Date: August 23, 2018Oh, what a day, what a lovely day. The Ringer’s Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Micah Peters, and Jason Concepcion ride dirt bikes through a post-apocalyptic wasteland to revisit 2015’s Academy Award�...��wining ‘Mad Max: Fury Road,’ starring Charlize Theron and Tom Hardy and directed by George Miller. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Oh, what a day. What a lovely day.
My name is Sean.
My world is fire and blood and movies.
And this is the rewatchables Mad Max Fury Road.
War boys.
It is by man of this world.
They're my property.
Oh, what a day.
What a lovely day.
I am joined today by the ringers Chris Ryan, Jason Concepcion, and Micah Peters.
And we are talking about maybe, maybe, maybe.
The Best Action Movie of the Decade, a topic which we will discuss in this episode.
Fury Road is directed by George Miller.
It's the fourth installment in the then-70-year-old Miller's Australian Apocalyptic Action Series,
which launched 36 years earlier with the original Mad Max starring Mel Gibson.
In this movie, here's a very brief plot description for you guys.
Mad Max is caught up with a group of people fleeing across the wasteland in a war rig driven by the Imperator Furiosa.
This movie is an account of the Road War which follows.
it is based on the word burgers of the history men
and eyewitness accounts of those who survived.
Fury Road was released in the summer of 2015,
a full 30 years since the most recent sequel,
1985's Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome,
and it was instantly hailed as an action masterpiece.
Fury Road stars an almost entirely new cast,
including Tom Hardy as Max Rakatansky,
Charlize Theron as Imperator Furiosa,
Nicholas Holt as Nux,
and returning to the fold is Hugh Keyes Burn,
this time is a different character
of the villainous Immorten Joe.
This movie has a 97% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
That's low.
It grows $378 million worldwide.
Few more tidbits for you guys before we get started.
It was nominated for 10 Academy Awards,
including Best Picture and Best Director.
It won six of them,
essentially sweeping the technical categories.
Of the eight Best Picture nominees
of the 2016 Academy Awards,
Fury Road, is the only one
to not receive a single acting nomination.
Of the movie, New York Times Critic A.
A.O. Scott wrote,
The script which Mr. Miller wrote with Brendan McCarthy and Nico Lothoris
has been whittled almost clean of expository dialogue and touchy-feely Bushwa.
A cut or a pan can explain or express much more than words.
When Fury Road reaches for emotional grandeur, it relies on the faces of its cast.
Ms. Theron can be a silent movie heroine despite the noise that surrounds her,
and on Junkie XL's superb, full-throated score,
when it wants to crack jokes, the movie reaches for quick, profane, psychaggags,
or elaborate feats of Newtonian improbability.
Guys, Mad Max Fury Road.
Give me your first impressions of this movie when you first saw it.
Chris?
Everything you said is very interesting and the verbiage we attach to this movie and the ways in which we can discuss it on these sort of intellectual and film school levels is great.
I use two words to describe this movie.
A chase.
It is primal.
You can watch this movie and have no idea about the mythology of the Wasteland or Max or any of the previous film.
films. And it is just about up there with French Connection and Ronan as my favorite car chase
movie of all time. And that's just, that's just a thing that almost you can't articulate.
I don't know why it is that I like watching one car chasing another. I don't know why that's
so cool to see in a movie screen, but it is. It's funny that you should say that because it will
not surprise you to know that I have not watched a single one of the earlier movies.
Is this your first chase movie, Micah? This is my first chase movie.
Mike's first chase movie.
No, this is, I've, the, everything blows up.
And I can't think of another movie in which the plot is so inessential.
And I am overful and can watch this movie any number of times and not get tired of it.
Jason, I know you've seen those chase movies Chris outlined.
What was your reaction when you saw, Fury Road?
I was just blown back in my seat.
the right after the sand
right after the sandstorm
and everything hits and goes black
you know the car pinwheeling
up into the air and the sand tornado
screen goes black and there is an audible
just
exhalation in the theater and that's
just that's an
experience that you can only get in a movie theater
and that that kind of movie
can give you is just spectacle
in a way that is
life-affirming and
takes your breath away.
Maybe when we talk about most re-watchable scene
we can talk about basically that 33-minute
stretch that leads to the moment that Jason is
talking about, which is probably the most
breakneck sequence in movie history.
I think any re-watchable scene
from this movie is going to be like an 18-minute
sequence because it's essentially a six-scene
movie or something like that.
I think another thing that's worth mentioning
in terms of the re-watchability of this movie,
which I watched last night, as I tried to do
before these, is the fact that
it still is probably at the pinnacle of visual effects and movies.
And it basically was this dissertation on all the tricks and all the things that Miller probably knew how to do in the 80s with practical effects.
And everything that's happened since then with post-production effects that you can do digitally to correct things.
And if there's like some incredible stuff online that you can see of the car chases before they were treated.
you can watch like YouTube's of like them shooting and it's it's you know obviously a lot is done to it
but for the most part those cars are there and they are driving pretty fast and those guys are
in the cars driving those cars and they're hitting each other and they're like flipping them
and they're riding the bikes off of the mounds and this is this is pure physical visceral filmmaking
seven months shoot finished filming in December of 2012
70 hours of footage.
It costs $250 million to make,
and it took two plus years
to edit and put together.
And there's more than 1,200 visual effect shots
to go along with all the crazy practical stuff
that you're talking about.
So it's basically one of the most
difficult movies to make
in the history of movies.
I was thinking a little bit about Mad Max
when I was watching it too,
and thinking about how it really doesn't have
anything to do with the Mad Max story to me.
Do you guys,
are you Mad Max heads?
Are you thinking about the mythology heading into it?
because there were obviously three films that came before this.
I'm a pretty big Road Warrior fan.
Like that movie really peeled by Cap Back when I saw it.
And I'd never seen anything like that.
That kind of mythology torn from whole cloth and just been like,
this isn't Star Wars, this isn't something that you kind of know about.
And that's right on the edge of where exploitation movies become prestige movies.
You know, the first film, I think in some ways,
there's a couple of sliding doors.
that's just like vanishing point.
It's like a movie that they show at New Beverly at midnight, but not.
It doesn't wind up being like something that births a billion dollar franchise and makes
Mel Gibson a global superstar.
It's just like a cult movie that like, I ever see that movie where the guy gets like his cape
right over and then he chases people through Australia all day?
It's awesome.
It's like that would basically be what Mad Max is.
And then Road Warrior makes it into, I think, this, this epic tale of post-apocalyptic dystopian
gas-guzzling metal gear solid craziness.
Yeah, Road Warrior really changed my life in terms of dystopian movie making.
I'd never engage with a story quite like that.
And also, just a really cool story, the cynicism like underneath it, where it's like you do something.
Mad Max finally does something good for other people and then he gets screwed in the end.
It's just a great turn.
I actually saw Beyond Thunderdome in the Philippines.
And I was thinking about something you just said, Chris,
about how you really just don't need any,
you don't need to understand what's happening,
to understand what's happening because of the visual storytelling is so strong.
I watched it with a guy who didn't speak any English,
and he understood the movie.
Yeah, he's like master bluster.
Yeah, master bluster.
Great.
You know, like there's that one part where a guy like just,
he crashes his car and then his like middle finger,
comes up out of the sand.
And he was laughing.
Like, so it,
Miller is incredible at that kind of visual storytelling.
And it's interesting that it,
the story really doesn't need to have any kind of like real connections to what
came before.
It's like,
Max in this is sort of like the other Mad Max,
but not really.
Like,
lost his family,
we presume,
because of the flashbacks,
but there's no,
there's no hard connective tissue.
Like,
had you seen any of that?
the Mad Max movies before this movie?
No, but I mean, like, you understand, I mean, like, you get the gist of it.
I think that I passed a point in, I guess, living memory.
Like, you know all the references to the Mad Max, you know, it doesn't feel right to call them.
The first Mad Max movies.
The theme of resource depletion, general hopelessness, what happens when there are no heroes,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So you get the gist of it.
And then, I mean, like, the first, the first, like, 30 minutes of Fury Road, we were talking about a little bit earlier.
It's just everything is very hastily rendered.
It throws it at you and you have to deal with it and you get the, you understand what's happening.
And some of Max's motivations, at least.
Yeah, it's also, I think we tend to forget that these movies came before The Terminator.
They came before 12 monkeys.
They came before, like, all of this kind of post-apocalyptic, The Matrix, this wave of movies.
movies, there's sort of science fiction action that started to take over Hollywood through the
80s and 90s and George Miller's movies essentially sort of built the template for it, even though
they don't quite look and feel exactly like the others.
Should we dive into the categories?
Yeah, I would just say that the other thing that these movies do that I think is so impressive
is that, and I think for Jason and I, we probably both responded to this, was it took
dystopia and made it look like the present day.
So you have guys walking around a football pads, driving Dodge Chargers with like super engines,
big rigs with like grates on them and you know everything is modded everything is like just modified
it's not like it's not even like a back to the future delorean kind of situation or any there's
no special hyper space drive or anything like that everything is what would be remaining
yeah in this desert wasteland and how would people adapt these things to make them
survival machines and also how would that how would those the kind of the symbols that you see around
you today, everyday stuff, turn into something iconic in a dystopian future where everything
had fallen apart.
What would those things?
What would a hockey mask come to represent in the future, you know?
Yeah, I'd like to explore some of the physical tools that they create to destroy each other.
Well, let's get right into the categories.
We tipped towards most rewatchable scene.
I'm going to throw three suggestions that you guys.
They're basically more sequences than scenes.
The first is the war boys come after Imperator Furiosa.
where we are introduced to the Duf Warrior and Rictus Arectus and others culminating in the sandstorm.
Culminating in the sandstorm.
No shots to the original Duforier, Andres Biedrin's.
The second scene is the bullet farmer pursues the war rig while it's stuck in the mud,
and they chain up to the tree, which upon second watch, I was kind of blown away by.
And then the third scene is sort of the return to the Citadel attack,
with the Polkats and the Vuvolini's
Valiant Defense. Any other
scenes you would recommend there? I didn't pick any of
the sort of slower
dialogue-laden scenes.
Yeah,
the excite-like scenes.
Okay. The
Canyon raid? Blowing the canyon.
And the first moment where she's like,
I'm going to drop the pod and she's like, you know,
if I yell fool, you go.
That whole sequence
and I think it's
pretty much a, if something
he was like, well, why Woods makes this movie special?
And you wanted to show them how
this is a guy who can take
this wide open vista
and put it into a rectangle
and say, okay,
like, this is you. Here's where they are.
Here's where this person is. Here's how
long it takes this person to get here.
Here's the stuff that's like the inciting
incident. It's all pure
visual filmmaking and like a level
that you really only like 10 or 11 people
have ever really been able to master.
Yeah. Yeah, it's very John 4.
You know, the like you arrive at the canyon and you're surrounded on all sides.
Like it is very classic movie making stuff.
Jason, any other scenes that you want to recommend?
I mean, those are the ones.
Any of the big chase scenes, that excite bike scene is off the charts.
And yeah, that's the spatial awareness that you have.
It's very underrated because when you watch a chaotic film, you're like, where am I?
Where is this happening at?
What is who is doing what to whom?
why did the camera flip around like that?
And that you never have that.
And there's a million things going on in every single scene.
And he's cutting back and forth from the top of the truck to the cab of the truck to stuff that's happening outside.
And you always understand where you are.
It's incredible.
Micah.
I'm still partial over numerous rewatchings to the first time that Max, quote, unquote, meets Furiosa.
Just because, like, that entire sequence from when he wakes up, face down,
in the sand and has his first flashback
or has the flashback and then attempts to
eat off Nux's hand like to free himself
and then decides you know what instead I'm just going to take
this salt off shotgun and carry him to the war rig
and like also just the entire thing of like you know
you see him he he's human so he needs water
and then he's just like you know can you please clip this chain off
And then the entire fight is like them, the wives yanking him around like a pit bull and crack.
Like, and then he's like basically like him and Furiosa going out.
It's one of my favorite action sequences ever.
I love the way that that begins after the sandstorm because it's very playful from Miller because you see this, what you think, what I thought was like a mountain in the distance.
But no, it's a close up of him buried in the sand.
and a really playful movie making.
That shot is so good.
Yeah.
It's like Charlie Chaplin movie.
Okay, so what are your picks?
You're going to excite bike.
I'm going to go to psych bike, but I really do like the Crow's sequence.
Okay.
The sequence out in the mud.
The return to the Citadel.
Yeah.
Same.
Same.
Yeah, I think you have to go with like the return to the Citadel with the Pole Cats
where they're just jumping from vehicle to vehicle.
I'm going the first.
the first 30 minutes because of what Jason said,
which is that I think I had read a little bit
about this movie before I went into it, but when I sat
down, I did have the
Take Your Breath Away feeling, which
movies very rarely can accomplish these days.
And it's just, it's an
incredible thing. Let's use this opportunity to talk a little
bit about the story of this movie, which I think is
a little hard to understand.
It doesn't really
seem fully connected to the
previous three, even though it clearly is. And we were
talking before we started recording about this
grand mythology that George Miller has
clearly been plotting.
You know, the movie ends with an epilogue
about the history men, which is apparently
a wizened group of older people telling the story
of everything that happened with the fall of a Morton
Joe. But like, how would you
know that if you didn't have the internet?
Yeah. It's definitely there.
I mean, there's an entire graphic novel
where they
render the entire backstory
and they explain the history
men. But
also, I just
like the
like the in-joke of the
basically the
long decades-spanning game of
ideological telephone
so that language becomes
like increasingly
infantile and they
poke jokes about this like on
in different mediums like there's the
joke on Rick and Morty where they kind of had
the Thunderdome episode
and
classic token millennial
I have to mention this
like after the boom boom some of
dafted to the new truth
and some chose to huddle near the boomy holes
clinging to the lie of the before four times.
The raiderades rotted them away,
leaving only their love for the Verdes-Vurdishments
on the billy boards.
That's exactly what Thunderdome is like, by the way.
You should actually see that movie
because that is...
That's actually...
I was like, is he just re-end...
Exactly what Thunderdome is like.
There is something in all the dialogue
in this movie, and in all the Mad Max movies,
that is crypto-biblical,
but also kind of crypto like troglodyte, you know,
like people not even speaking in full sentences.
There's something, obviously Tom Hardy's choices in this movie are monosyllabic.
I don't, the story itself, I think, you know what,
let's wait till what's, what's age the worst?
What's age the best?
I think that the obvious recommendation is the action sequences.
We're only three years since this movie was released.
I think what Chris said earlier.
is completely right. This is just like
kind of pinnacle shit.
My only other suggestion, and I'm open to others,
was I just think everything that Charlize is doing
in this movie is awesome.
And it's really classical and it's much more
she's really Mad Max in this movie. She's clearly
the star. She's the hero.
All the choices that she makes, she has
the sort of the, I don't know,
the Joseph Campbell journey in a lot of ways.
What's age the best?
Oh, I think it's, it's
Charlize's performance by far.
It's an iconic action movie performance
It's a character we've never really seen before.
It's a version of the Mad Max archetype,
the lone kind of one moral person complicated,
but still moral person out in this desert moral wasteland.
You know, I think that when we first meet Max in this movie,
and they're doing those really quick flashbacks.
And I'm not sure if in your research about the movie,
it's come up because it's still unclear.
the story that's supposed to apparently
have occurred right in between
Thunderdome and Fury Road
very much mirrors the plot of Mad Max,
which is that Max tries to save this woman and her child
and fails, basically.
And that's, I think, what he is flashing back to.
It's just that we never get that in the movie itself.
But it's so, it's so kinetic
and just channel surfy
that we don't really ever like having a moment
emotional investment in his arc, I think, as much as we do with Furiosa because of the lie that's
at the center of her journey, you know, and then you find out that hope is more of an idea
than it is an actual place. And I just, I always found that the way that she dealt with that,
she would, just for her collapse into the sand in that sort of iconic shot, I mean, that's,
that's something that they'll be playing in best in Oscar montages for like 30 years.
Amazing moment. What about you, Jason?
I think it's the action for me, although I do agree with everything that Chris said.
Charlie's is magnetic.
I love the way she's introduced.
You just see this figure striding away from everything, you know, walking away from you
as if she's about to walk away from this world that she's been inhabiting.
And you just can't take your eyes off whatever it is.
She's doing, that crazy bionic arm.
Like everything about her is like, holy shit.
This is a badass.
Yeah.
Micah.
I mean, like, also to go to piggyback on the badass part,
the fact that she, like, knees the metal grate that's on Tom Hardy's face,
realizes it hurts and then keeps doing it because she's just like,
I need to put this person down.
She's a badass.
She's a great badass action movie creation.
My pick is George Miller's thesis for this movie,
which he crafted well, well, well before it was made 10, 15, 20 years,
and I'll read it very quickly for you.
Miller's thesis was, could we make a film which is almost a continuous chase
and how much can the audience apprehend from that story
in terms of character, relationships, the world, the backstory, and so on?
And that the McGuffin, the thing that everyone's in conflict over,
should be human because to some extent or another,
we're all commodities in the world.
Now, that is one part, highfalutin, one part genius movie making.
You know, it's just like, how can I just tell something visually
while also larding it with all this ideology.
And, you know, I think if you do the high-level film-crit sociological analysis of the movie,
it's about feminism, it's about ecological collapse,
it's about the tolls of war,
it's about some of the things that Micah was talking about at the top of the show.
It's kind of an amazing thing to fit into a movie like this
that is basically about, like, excite bikes throwing bombs on a truck full of oil and women.
Yeah, and all of the dialogue is just the coolest of effect.
It's just like cutting in between people,
and that's just how you're supposed to get what people feel.
Yeah, I mean, if you watch this movie with close captioning on,
you realize like, nobody's something more fly.
No, you do, because like, if you're watching it, you're just like,
but when you actually are reading it as well, you're like, oh,
that's why he's so mad.
It's like there's a lot of revelations in the dialogue,
but they're underneath a lot of exhaust sounds, you know?
Yes, for sure.
In terms of what's aged the worst,
it's only a three-year-old movie.
So we don't have the typical,
this isn't a wedding crash for situation
where we're litigating the comedy.
There's nothing going on like that.
I don't think that any of the action sequences
have aged really at all.
They're perfect as they were.
The casting is great.
The direction is great.
The movie looks great.
This is maybe more of a nitpick
than what's age the worst,
but what was Immorten Joe's plan here?
Yeah.
What do you think he was at?
We know what he wanted.
Is he just supposed to be an avidacted?
for like avarice. I don't know. I don't think that there's supposed to be any logical motivation.
What should his plan be? What are you talking about?
Well, okay, so he's in pursuit of these five, maybe six women, his wives, who are essentially
broodmare. You know, they're there to help him procreate and he's trying to get one healthy son.
Right, one healthy son. Now, is it because they are the most beautiful women in the Citadel? Is it because
they are the only fertile women in the Citadel?
Why are there not other women to whom he could turn that he needs to marshal all of the forces
of the Citadel to go on a wild goose chase?
Well, to be fair, it has a little bit of Helen of Troy stuff going on because his quote-unquote
brothers or whatever that, you know, like the guys who he, in the prequels, it's really
just other generals, I think, that he's banded together with.
But those guys are like all this over a family squabble.
Like they don't want to be, they're kind of out on this.
but they're also like war mad insane people.
So they're just like, let's go fire some bullets into the desert.
I don't know.
I think that his plan was I need one healthy child,
not to disparage them,
but by the looks of it,
the ladies who are just pumping mother's milk
look like maybe they've seen better days.
And he's got like this group of people,
these group of women that he thinks he's got a shot at having a male air
that isn't Richtus or the homie who just sits there with a telescope.
You don't think Rickus is up to it?
I had a baby brother.
I had a little Barbie brother
and he was perfect
perfect to everyone
You don't think Rictus is up to leading the
city of God? I don't know
if you're like if you're guzzling breast milk
and all you can really do is fire a
Gatling gun. Yeah I don't see Tony
Lorusa levels of strategy
he's not going lefty righty
in the same day.
You don't think
you don't think Rictus
inspired him. I am a brother!
He was proper.
I was hoping we were going to get to our Rictus line readings.
Yeah, I don't think Rictus is up to him.
Do we know what his other brother are doing that in the office?
Any of times, like, palo files a blog post.
I have a blog post!
It is fucking.
Don't freak out anybody who had to see this movie.
Do you think Rictus realizes that he's being passed over?
No, I don't think so.
He doesn't.
He doesn't.
Rikis does not understand much.
Why is legacy important to Immorton Joe?
Shouldn't he just be enjoying this time?
Why is legacy important to any of these?
Why is legacy important in general?
It'll be that.
Chris Ryan, why is legacy important to the Mad Max franchise?
In a time when, you know, there's probably not a lot of recorded history
in a time when there's probably not a lot of stability,
that one thing that we've seen these somewhat evil royal families do over the course of human history,
is it the most important thing is that we continue our reign, you know?
I mean, the most important thing is that we have a male heir to continue this.
forward. I mean, why do any of us do anything that we do? Because you want some part of you to
live beyond the boundaries of your natural life. Why record a podcast? Why write on the internet?
Why write a book? Why do anything? In Morton Joe, you know, doesn't...
This is dangerous territory. I know. It's not a Morton Joe has, you know, does not...
What if a Morton Joe is right? My colleague... What I'm saying is a Morton Joe, it's not hard to
understand what has, you know, what is, it's a primal need to continue his, to continue to live,
to live on beyond, uh, the boundaries of his natural life and the natural lives of his
idiot son. And also, I mean, like the, the natural life is the only thing that you have
when there's no verifiable recorded history. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. You, you have to have
the oral tradition. What would be the name of a Morton Joe's podcast? Oh, man. You are a way to
The Morton Joe Budden podcast.
Okay, let's keep it moving.
We're going to do casting what-ifs.
Come to find out there's not a whole lot of casting what-ifs.
Obviously, this movie was conceived in the 80s shortly after Beyond Thunderdome.
So Mel Gibson was the presumptive Mad Max for this movie for a long time,
all the way up until, I believe, 2003,
which is when another round of funding was going to come through to get the movie going.
And Mel Gibson ultimately declined to participate in,
fact because he became fascinated by the story
that would become the passion of the Christ.
Oh, wow. The only other person that I
could find... Speaking of legacies.
Well, that's a different podcast. Maybe the lethal weapon
podcast, we can relitigate.
Heath Ledger was considered before his death in 2008.
Which, I think, maybe let's use
this as an opportunity to talk about Tom Hardy
and what he is doing
in this movie and whether someone like Heath would have been
more well suited to it or whether it's right.
Because the movie has Med Max in the title. I don't really
think of this as a movie that is about Max.
I don't like Tom Hardy's performance.
I don't really get what he was going for.
I feel like half of it, if not more, is dubbed.
And also quite famously,
George Miller and Charlestern hated working with him.
Yes.
And he had to sort of make amends with them
after the movie was released
because he apparently was just so difficult on the set.
I think a lot of people did leave the set of that movie
saying to themselves,
that's going to be a disaster.
That's going to be like an all-time disaster.
So it was only when I think Miller went away
for more than a year to cut.
And then he was like, surprise.
I made a masterpiece.
People were like,
what an honor to be a part of this incredible production.
But I think that there was initially a lot of like Francis Coppola went up the river
and lost all the money that that was going on with that.
Yeah.
Jason, do you, how do you feel about what Tom Hardy's doing here?
I think that Miller did an incredible job in making a movie where the taciturn nature of his lead actor
was not in any way
a hindrance to the movie in general.
So I think it's a testament
to the power of what Miller
created that Hardy's
performance
doesn't take away from the movie, but it is
like
it's the weirdest kind of
half-assing that I've ever seen
on a movie that that's
that is that good. Because it just
seems like he's sleepwalking
through a lot of stuff that happens.
Yeah, he's,
He looks really cool.
He looks cool.
He's right for the part.
Yeah.
And the sequences of him like strapped to the front of the car and the face he's making and the physicality of the performance is awesome.
But every time he talks, I'm like, what the fuck?
What's he doing?
I don't know.
Micah, I think you're more in at Tom Harding.
No, I was into.
The thing is that like I'm rewatching it again last night.
I think it kind of became clear than it had ever been that he has.
about five different voices in this movie,
of course, because they were dubbed after the fact.
But I don't know.
I think that his grunting in the affirmative
and the negative kind of suits the role in a way.
I also am just drawn back to,
well, the thing that kind of defines this performance for me
is the one where he's having,
he falls asleep in the passenger seat of the war rig
and then has a nightmare
and wakes up trying to punch somebody,
is just like, there are a bunch of little small moments like that
that I just remember vividly and love deeply.
I think he gets the physicality of the role, right?
Yeah.
I think, you know, in the previous Mad Max movies,
there is not a tremendous amount of dialogue from Max.
So it's, I don't think he was necessarily betraying the legacy of the Mel Gibson part
so much at, and so much is like he just didn't have,
all he had to do was not screw up the dialogue scenes.
And I feel like,
This is the devil's bargain with Tom Hardy is that you get a guy who essentially is a combination of like Sean Connery and Lawrence Olivier and then he kind of like wants to act like Jim Carrey.
You know what I mean?
Like he just makes these weird choices and you're like, wait, like you have all the tools, man.
Like what are you talking about?
Like you could just be James Bond and also an Oscar winning actor and you want to do weird daffy duck voices.
And that's being like shown again and all this Alcoeur and stuff.
I feel like something about playing Bain broke him.
It's always the voice with him now.
I guess you could say it always was.
But it's the Bain voice.
It defines Hardy in a strange way.
Yeah.
I just think about all the time now just perhaps he's wondering why you would shoot him at
before throwing him out of a plane.
That's pretty good.
Yeah, that is good.
That's good.
That really challenges Robert Macy's Bain, which is a legendary.
Hardy in Inception, though, is just, you watch that and you're like, oh, that guy's going to be a movie star for 25 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then he just basically was like, now, that was just one voice that I do.
That was just like, I don't want to go back to that.
In 2014, I actually wrote about Tom Hardy's voice and the accents he chose for the website, grayoutland.com.
And I was writing about Gangster Squad.
And in Gangster Squad, he's doing like a cartoon cat, you know, like that's his choice.
and in the drop, he's doing a guy who works in the Brooklyn Pork Store.
And in this movie, I don't know what the slick comparison is.
What's the, what about, what would you say his voice in Locke is?
Um, hmm.
I mean, I think it's pretty, it's like Eastern European immigrant, but been in London for a long time.
Yeah, that's a movie where he has to talk for 90 minutes, essentially.
Sure. He's like
Luca Modrich, maybe.
That was really
playing to the room there.
Okay, let's go to the Dion Waders Award.
I have a couple of recommendations,
but I want to know what you guys think.
Nathan Jones has Rickus erectus.
He was really going for it.
The line readings that you guys showed us
a few minutes ago, our expert.
I think this is kind of a flex performance
from Zoe Kravitz,
who I don't think we had quite as much of a relationship to
before this movie came along.
Certainly, Hugh Kees-Burn, as a Morton Joe.
Anybody else?
Yeah, I'm going to go with Dufourier.
I'm going to go with Duforier and play by Oda,
this dude from New Zealand who is a musician, writer, and a painter,
and all these other things, he's a polyglot.
Apparently beat Hugh Jackman for a Tony Award.
Wow.
Yeah, I'm serious.
Just because it's in this landscape of nothing but really dust and brown and chrome and neutral colors and monotone voices and exhaust,
he's wearing this red pajama suit and playing a flaming double-neck guitar.
Like, he's impossible not to look at.
My favorite part, there was one time where he seems to be sleeping in like a hammock of guitar.
straps and then just like wakes up
and immediately goes into his wrist
this guy's such a professional.
It's like G.E. Smith coming out of a commercial
brand.
Yeah, the guy that was
doing, Iota was, there's
an interview that you can read about it on
on noisy where he was just talking about
he'd be in a strap.
But you're going to say like iota.org.
No.
He just be, like that was probably the truest
to what his experience was on set
because he, they just,
strap him in after he'd be there at 6 of the morning, he'd put on the makeup and everything,
and then he'd just be in the harnesses for eight hours.
So he would just be playing, like, noodling ACDC songs to himself, and then eventually
you would just start banging, banging out riffs, nonsensical shit, just because he was just
like, the being animated was the most important part.
What's the thinking on the Duf Warrior?
Is it like we need an announcement of destruction?
The Dufourer is my Dionne Waiter's award winner, but also, you know, but also, you know,
Also, I kind of feel like it's the thing that age the worst.
Oh, wow.
Because Rock is dead?
Because Rock is dead and that slip-knott style of weird, like, Dude Warrior New Metal is also dead.
But also because it's like that thing of, did you need it?
Did you really need it?
Like, is that, it just strikes me as the thing that's-
You should have died in like the first sheet chase.
It's a little bit, you know, like energy is so important in this world without resources,
but also like let's make sure the doof warrior has like two mountainous stacks of 100 watt amps so that what like why yeah yeah
people are literally drinking breast milk and dying it's like this new peev in a stack it's incredible
yeah can you turn up the mounters i can't hear myself over it like if you're this is the pedal that
kim fayle you don't see for unknown man i i just think that if you like i understand
the need to have
battle drums,
so to speak, for the advancing army,
and to basically ramp it up to its logical
extreme.
But, yeah, I mean, like, it definitely is
the most wasteful and ridiculous part
of the movie, but I love it.
Yeah, it's a weird that the English language
doesn't quite make it through the wasteland, but, like,
drop D guitar. Right.
We've got a total,
complete understanding of
late aughts metal, but
I can't speak English anymore.
Okay, so the DeN Waiters Award goes to the Dufourier.
DuF Warrior.
The Joey Pants Award.
For that guy?
Which I kind of don't really understand what it is, but I'll try to remember what it is.
It's essentially about somebody who we didn't quite know who they were,
and then they emerged as somebody that we would remember, like Joey Pantiliano.
I guess this is Zoe, right?
So I wrote Riley Keo.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
I was not really super familiar with, the granddaughter of Elvis Presley.
This is one year before the girlfriend experienced the TV show,
and she's kind of gone on to be a pretty well.
a pretty well-known actress at this stage.
Anybody else?
Who's the little guy in the basket with the periscope?
That guy?
Go on anything?
Corpus Colossus?
Yeah, Corpus Colossus.
No, he's not in any work.
Does he have like a Netflix show coming out soon?
Not as far as I know, no.
Okay.
Ozark Season 2?
Also, I should just say,
It Morton Joe has another son
from the video game adaption of this.
movie named Scabris
Scroatus.
Scabrous Scroatus?
Did you play the video game?
Yeah, it's bad.
How many baby books do you think he had to go through to get to that name?
I just don't know.
We have a new category that I'm going to introduce to you guys.
The name of this category is called
What is the thing Bill would say on this podcast that would make us all uncomfortable,
considering he's not here.
This is in the lineage of Bill imitating.
Forrest Gump furiously
ejaculating.
It's also
in the lineage of the
Wedding Crashers' sex scenes and Bill
locking eyes with Chris while he discusses them.
Chris, why he discussed
a hand job for five minutes?
That's right. Chris, what is the thing Bill would
say that would make us uncomfortable if you were here?
Why am I
the person who has to do this?
I think it would
I don't feel safe.
I think it would probably be something
along the lines of like
what is the
what do we think of the virility of
War Boys? You know like what is
do those guys fuck
what's up with the spray paint
is that like a nitrous hit
you know and is the love affair
between Riley Keogh and Nicholas Holt like
a long term viable thing?
I don't think the latter question would have made me uncomfortable
but do the War Boys fuck is a good
headline anything you guys want to add to that also
sounds like something Mal would say too that's true
that's true.
Maybe something about a Morton Joe
and whether he can fuck
without the gas mask
Because he's getting enough oxygen
Into his system
Into his extremities
To really keep it going
What do we think about that?
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Mad Max Fury Road.
We've just finished interrogating
some of these sexual proclivities
of this movie's villain in Morton Joe.
Let's go to Half-Fest Internet research
of which there is a ton.
And I don't want to go too far with this,
but I'll read a few things.
We can talk about them.
Fury Road was in development held
for many years,
with pre-production starting as early as 1997,
attempts to shoot the film in 2001.
In 2003, were delayed due to the September 11th attacks
and the Iraq War.
In 2007, after focusing on Happy Feet,
which you guys may know is a animated penguin movie
that George Miller also made.
He also made the movie Babe and Babe Pig in the City.
Incredible IMDB from George Miller.
Truly.
And Lorenzo's Oil.
Yes, one of the most fascinating filmmakers
in the history of movies.
So you returned to it in 2007,
briefly consider producing it as a computer animated film,
but abandoned it in favor of live action.
I think we all agree that that was a very good choice.
Especially because I don't watch cartoons.
You know, Micah was just talking about Iota,
the Australian artist and musician,
whose real name is Sean Hap.
In an interview with Vice,
he said the guitar weighed 132 pounds
and shot real gas-powered flames,
which he controlled using the Whammy Bar.
I wonder if Vice verified that.
Wow.
I would, yeah, I don't know.
I just would choose to believe in the role.
This movie was shot in sequence.
Holding a Rabinio-sized guitar.
That's interesting.
That's really interesting.
For those of you don't know,
shooting a sequence essentially means
you start on page one of the script
and you shoot all the way through in that order.
Wow.
And that's very surprising, given that the sequences are so complex.
And you imagine that, like, I don't know, was Charlize just on set every day?
Yeah.
I mean, she shows up, what, 15, 20 minutes into the movie after they've captured him and he's escaped.
Yeah.
So I think so, probably.
Okay.
Principal photography began on the 26th of June in Namibia.
It also happened in Pots Hill and Penrith Lakes in Western Sydney.
In October 2012, the Hollywood Reporter.
reported that Warner Brothers sent an executive to keep their production on track.
The filming eventually wrapped on the 17th of December 2012 and lasted for 120 days.
That's a long shoot.
Yeah.
Really long.
Regarding the look of the film, director George Miller laid down two stipulations for the production to follow.
Firstly, the cinematography would be as colorful as possible in order to differentiate the film from other post-apocalyptic movies,
which typically have bleak, desaturated colors.
During pre-production, the initial concept was for a black and white film.
However, producers strongly advised against this
as they believed it would deter audiences.
Secondly, the art direction would be as beautiful as possible
as Miller's in the people living in the post-apocalypse
would try to find whatever scraps of beauty they could
in their meager environment.
I don't know if you nailed the second one.
I wouldn't call this a beautiful movie.
No, I don't think so either.
Or one rich with interior design.
Do you agree?
Hmm.
Yeah, no, I mean, like I do agree.
I mean, the rose of cabbage are pretty cool and stuff like that.
Cabbage and the
now defunct green place
was where the people were walking on stilts
was an interesting set piece.
But I mean, as far as the desaturation goes,
if you watch those clips on YouTube of them
doing the card sequences without any visual effect
treatment, you can see that they're shooting
in like these kind of like overcast days
and kind of shabby deserts.
You know, like they're fine,
but the sky is a kind of like
off white and the rocks are kind of like a light brown.
And then when you throw them through the computer,
like it really,
they really make everything have such incredible contrast.
Yeah.
John Seal,
the great cinematographer who shot many of George Miller's films.
He also shot the English patient.
He shot the talented Mr. Ripley.
He was also, I believe, in his 70s
and came out of retirement to make this movie.
Damn.
At George Miller's behest.
The writer and feminist,
Eve Ensler,
who created famously the vagina monologues
was consulted to enhance the portrayal
of female characters in this movie.
Oh.
Which is, I thought, interesting.
Apex Mountain.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
George Miller.
No.
Happy Feet was easily better.
You know, Babe is really good.
Babe and Babe too are excellent.
They're very good movies.
And, you know, we're also talking Mad Max, Road Warrior
and Beyond Thunderdome.
I think Road Warrior is his best film and in some ways laid out this carpet for him to become one of the sort of the Spielbergian directors where he could take action, he could do drama, he could do all these different things.
And he obviously just kind of followed his own path and he did this movie Lorenzo's Oil, I think, after Thunderdome.
That was his foray into just kind of prestige drama.
It was about Susan Sarandon and Nichols, Nick Nolte trying to cure their kids cancer.
I think it's an undefined disease.
Or undefined disease.
But it drew heavily from his experience as a doctor himself.
And, you know, it was like a fine tear-jurker.
But he never really worked at the volume that you need to work at
to really get yourself in the mix like that.
So I would say probably Road Warriors, Miller's apex for me.
Okay.
Tom Hardy?
This is really complicated.
Is this the best movie Tom Hardy has ever been in?
Ooh.
Should we call back to the Inception podcast, the infamous Inception podcast.
Is it the best movie Tom Hardy?
I bet you guys think it is.
Wow.
Classic take from a real taboo head.
I think that Inception is probably, I rated a little higher.
I would actually say that Inception is better than Fury Road in terms of movies that Tom Hardy's starred in.
Or at least bin-in.
Yeah, been in.
Yeah.
I mean, like, because I really do love that Ames character.
Yeah.
We've also got Dunkirk.
Uh-huh.
We've got The Revenant.
Uh-huh.
I think my pick might be Warrior, which is a movie I really love.
That was what I was going to say is his Apex Mountain.
Warrior.
Yeah.
That's the best he's ever been.
Yeah.
As a performer.
Maybe not in terms of, like, his fame and his awareness.
Yeah, yeah.
That's my favorite version of him.
He's really, really great in Warrior.
And it's kind of like Tommy Conlin is kind of a better version of Max, you know,
or he's kind of doesn't specify.
speak very much as a very physical performance.
That being said, can you guys,
when we're asked,
there's like the fifth question in here,
but can you guys think of anybody else
you would rather have seen played Max,
realistically?
Well, I raised the Heath Ledger thing
because I thought that would have been cool.
And Statham,
no.
No.
No, no, no, no.
No.
No.
Too comic-y.
Yeah, no.
Yeah.
I can't think of,
I honestly don't think I would pick anybody else
over Tom Hardy for this role.
What about Charlize?
Okay.
Is it Charlie's Apex?
No.
No.
I'm going to say yes.
Wow.
Over winning the Oscar for Monster.
Yeah, over Monster, over her collaboration,
Jason Raymond.
Over a million ways to die in the West.
Uh-huh.
Famously, a good tidbit about this movie.
You know, she shaved her head for this movie,
so she had to wear a wig when she was making a million ways to die in the West,
the Seth MacFarlane Western comedy.
Yeah, that was the only problem with a million days to...
That was what held it back.
Yeah, I think this, I think, I think,
monster is for me her apex mountain.
George Miller is an interesting question.
I do think this is apex mountain,
even though I agree that the Road Warrior is a better film in terms of story and
characters and their being and the pacing.
But I think for me, Fury Road is as an achievement.
It's almost unparalleled.
To make that kind of movie in this era, you know what I mean?
I just
where everything is
so CG,
like the balance between
CG and practical effects
is like almost
completely CG
where you could really
feel the physics of what was
happening where
listen Mad Max is is
an established IP
but it's not
this is the age of
Marvel and
comic movies
and it's not
something you would put up there
with with Iron Man
and stuff
and the Avengers
and for that movie
to come out
after all the struggles to get it made
and for it to be that good
like really for me a top five action film all time
top five like it's totally watchable
at any point that you turn it on
if it happens to be on and you see it it started
you'll just watch it
because there's always something that's going to happen next
and it grabs you and doesn't let go in a way
that maybe the fugitive is a movie
that the only other movie I can think of
where once it starts that's it you're in
you can't stop watching
it.
You feel propelled by it.
Yeah. So I think it, for me, it is his Apex Mountain because it's a singular achievement
in movie making.
It's incredible.
Apex Mountain, the Dufoir?
Eof.
Easily.
Easily.
Who else?
Would this movie have been better with Danny Trejo, Steve Buschemy, or Michael K. Williams,
Micah?
Michael K.
Williams, because I would have liked to have seen at least if you have Zoe Kravitz, but in addition,
somebody who's somebody else.
somebody else in color would have been nice.
No, no war boys of color.
What if Bouchemey had played a Morton Joe?
Are we his friend?
Splendid!
Well, are we sure that a Morton Joe doesn't sound like Steve Bouchemy
without the voice modulator?
If he played it like his character in Fargo
after he gets shot in the face,
you know that kind of voice?
I think that would help.
That's kind of what, you know,
toe cutter from the original Mad Max, who was
played by Hugh Keyes Byrne, who
plays a Morton Joe. It kind of sounds like
that kind of guy, just with an Australian accent.
The Mark Ruffalo, they knew!
Overacting Award. I wrote down everyone.
Yeah, I would go Rictus in this point.
Yeah, I had a baby brother. He was perfect in every way.
Yeah. I think, yeah, also
the backseat all the wives
after Rosie Huntington Willie died.
You know, like the, that was
where I can't imagine
that the direction was anything other than act really sad.
Yeah.
You know, one thing that is kind of exciting about this movie,
but also makes it different,
is it's not all shot in 24 frames per second.
It's sped up a lot.
And so it feels like a movie from the 1930s a lot of the time.
It's sort of like the old-fashioned version of listening to a podcast,
the 2X, you know, it's kind of moving faster.
Yeah.
And I think that that kind of fucks with a lot of the performances
because it just seems more cartoony.
Yeah.
And maybe that's a good thing.
It kind of helps with the,
pacing and the action that you're supposed to feel this adrenaline that is moving at all times.
The only person I feel like doesn't get affected by that as Charlize.
Yes.
She looks very...
She looks very...
...all of her movements seem incredibly graceful,
whereas Tom Hardy is just like a Three Stooges character.
Yes.
It looks like Buster Keaton at times.
I don't believe that this is the case,
but I'd like to nominate also the scene where the bullet farmer runs over one of the Vuvillini's
at the end.
and makes, like, what can only be described
as a strange, like, orgasm face?
Oh, yeah, yes.
Oh, it's the Gastown guy.
The guy was it Gastown?
Yeah, the Gastown guy.
Because the bullet farm gets blinded, right?
The Gastown, gentlemen,
General Gastown,
it runs over the sniper of Ovillini,
who's like...
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then he makes a face that is, like,
that is the visual representation of they knew.
Yeah, also, I just feel like
it needs to be mentioned somewhere in here
that he is throughout...
his appearances on screen regularly just touching his nipples.
Yeah.
Maybe Bill should have been on this podcast.
You know, well, you can tip into Best Quote a little bit with talking about the bullet farmer because I think,
I am the scales of justice.
You want to finish that line?
Conductor of the Choir of Death.
Sing brother heckler, sing brother Koch.
that's good writing right there
Oh good news
You know
There are a lot of Immorten Joe
I think almost everything he says
Is this sort of biblical
phraseology
Do not my friends become addicted to water
It will take hold of you
And you will resent its absence
I don't Max says a few things
That are
There's a money one we're missing though
Good
Oh what a day
Yes
Oh what a day
And we haven't really talked about
Nicholas Holt
Go ahead
Speak your truth
Child actor
famously he was in About a Boy
and everybody was like, what a prodigy, here comes this guy.
And I think has that,
has like this interesting,
most of his movies since then,
like the X-Men movies he's done and just makes some,
what is that, Drake Dormus movies?
Doremus.
Doremus movies.
Yeah, he's like, I always got this kind of like remove.
Like there's something like, he's like a very good actor,
but there seems to be something a little bit vacant behind his eyes
where like the real him is sort of holding back.
and then this movie, he really, like, just like,
I dare say is like just like completely like I get to be myself.
He goes for it.
Yeah.
I don't think this is actually what he's like as much as he's just so physical,
he's so emotional.
He's basically screaming for the entire movie.
He's essentially an emotional infant, you know, he's,
he goes from being this kind of suicidal,
they call them comma crazies.
And, you know, he wants to die and go to Valhalla to finding something bigger than that,
to live for.
And very interesting character, but yeah, that
line is the one that I think coming out
of the trailer, everybody was just like
going to start saying that all the time now.
Yeah, and also he's a pretty boy, and he
uglifies himself in this movie.
There's no, it's not vain,
and there's something. And also, I think I live, I die,
I live again is also kind of his
other signature phrase from the movie.
I think that also, I
just, I think my favorite
line from the movie that
is not one of the bigger ones,
I guess the subversive pick would be
when they're rolling into where the green place is supposed to be
and there's like the naked woman on the or like thing
and he's just like, mm-mm, that's bait.
That is a good line.
I kind of wish Max was more like that in the movie.
I wish it was a little bit more joky.
There's one very fun sort of interaction between Nux and Slit 2
when they're driving and they first see a Morton Joe
and Nuck says he looked at me.
He looked right at.
me and Slit says he looked at your blood bag
and Nuck says he turned his head. He looked me straight
in the eye and Slid says he was
scanning the horizon and then Nuck says
no I am awaited I am awaited
in Valhalla and
it's a really good way to
kind of show us this weird obsessive
cult that Immorten Joe has created
like it's actually good weird good
character building for a monstrous
war boy I don't know Nicholas Holtz very good
in this movie. The one other line that I thought I threw
out there which is not really like an Aaron Sorkin
Dialogue line but is really good is that
moment when they've got four
bullets left in the rifle and he
shoots off a couple and then she takes it
and uses his shoulder
as a balance and then she's like, don't breathe.
Yeah. I love the look
he kind of gives back and he's just like
all right, you know.
I was going to say
then who killed the world is also just
a great hammer line and really
underlines the theme of the entire
film really, which
is hey dudes
you fucking up.
There are actually a lot of those.
Furios also says out here, everything hurts.
You know, there's a few, I don't know,
apocalyptic lines, I guess.
Let's pick some Nits.
I literally wrote down, did Immort and Joe have a point?
And I think you might have already raised that, Chris, as a joke.
I also raised as Tom Hardy's voice completely dubbed in this movie.
I think completely is harsh.
But yeah, certainly many times.
It's like the equivalent of, remember back when, like,
you would make tapes off of the radio,
but if you were out of tapes,
you would just tape over stuff.
And then it would just kind of be like,
like,
wha-w-w-wr-w-wr-w-w-w.
Like, this is like,
the loss you would get on your mixtapes,
that's like the way they recorded his voiceover.
I don't even know what you're talking about.
No, but yeah,
I mean, like,
there's,
the,
when he says,
that's my head at the beginning
when he's,
when they shoot the harpoon past him,
when he's on the hood of the car,
that's somebody else's voice.
Like,
when,
They're going back towards the Citadel and he sees his car,
Slip driving his car, and he's just like, that's mine.
That's somebody else's voice.
There's just so many ways you could just pick out.
Like, that's dubbed.
Yeah.
If the Green Place were real, why would more people not know about it?
It's great.
They don't have podcasts.
They didn't have the Immorten Joe Biden podcast.
You know, they don't, it's no smartphones, yeah?
Damn, you don't even know what tomorrow's weather is going to be like, do you?
It does seem like, so we're supposed to think that this is essentially the
outback, right?
Yeah, sure.
And there's like a,
like a thousand people, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Like, so the information would,
there wouldn't be a lot of stuff going on in terms of like information sharing.
Honestly, I don't know.
Maybe everybody was also like super into Spotify.
She's like,
it's a hard night's drive to get there.
That seems like something that somebody would have scouted out.
And they're like, actually there's not there anymore.
I agree.
Yeah.
I agree.
There's just not enough people that, you know,
it's maybe not that useful
to explore the depths of the narrative
story arc of this movie but
it occurred to me that if there actually was a place
to go where there was salvation people would try to go there
it would get around
probably unanswerable questions
will there be a sequel
there was supposed to be a sequel
and then and people talked about it
I believe Charlize and Tom Hardy
are both signed up for it
George Miller signed up for it George Miller
was in litigation with Warner Brothers
over a undisclosed sum of money
I don't think it's going to happen
George Miller's 73 years old now.
Maybe it will.
Do you want one?
I would love one.
I would absolutely love a sequel to this movie.
IP lives forever.
Would you let somebody else direct it if it came to that?
I mean, I don't think we have any choice but to let someone else direct it.
I think that will happen whether we want it to or not.
Yeah, but would you, if George Miller, like, let's say it happens in like eight years.
It can't possibly be as good.
It just can't.
Who do you want to make it?
It depends because up until Fury Road,
the first three movies didn't have the frenetic pace
and the frenetic editing style.
So you could say like, you know,
somebody like Michaud could try it
or somebody like Jeremy Solnier could try it
or somebody like David McKenzie could try it
or there's all sorts of people who could give it a shot.
Michelle McLaren could make it.
But now I don't know how you speak in this cinematic language.
other than unless you're George Miller.
I don't know how you make something that's like frame rate, quick cutting,
practical effects, shits exploding, all this stuff.
And obviously is a guy who is like Martin or Tolkien,
which is like he's been thinking about the mythology and the history of this world
for most of his adult life.
I mean, his first feature film was Mad Max.
So it's like this is, he began with this.
Yeah.
One more unanswerable question, probably.
Did Tom Hardy's character leave the Citadel?
Because we see him shrinking away at the end of the movie into the crowd.
But is that in an effort to become anonymous again?
Is that in an effort to go find something else, somewhere else,
that we have never seen or heard about?
Um, I don't know.
I mean, like, I guess it's kind of he's never really gotten over that weird tragic hero thing
of everything that is attached to me dies.
So I guess I mean
I would assume that he's leaving
Just to go wander the wasteland again
But yeah I think he's Ethan from the searchers
I just don't think he's right for society
I think it's like I have to go find my next adventure
I can't just like sit here and farm with you guys
And yeah like the normal sea of life
I don't think he's capable of
It's more of a bullet farmer you might say
Yeah
One one thing I want to just get your thoughts on
Is what do you guys think is the best action movie
Of the decade?
I have a couple of nominations for you guys
I'll just throw them out there and you guys vote.
Sure.
Okay, so we've got Fury Road,
edge of tomorrow.
Good one.
Good one.
John Wick.
Okay.
And the raid movies.
Yeah, I'm going to...
Shit.
Okay.
I recently rewatched the first raid movie and had forgotten really what a non-stop adrenaline rush that freaking movie is.
I mean, like, it's brutal.
Yeah, brutal movie.
And also, like, a...
A brilliant take on the ana-basis kind of, like, structure where it's like now you're behind enemy lines in a building.
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
I just, I agree with all this.
I think the problem with the raid movies is that, like, the purity level might be high for anybody who's not, like, a real, like, expert addicts to this stuff.
Yeah.
It's just, like, you might not, it's not a party drug.
And in some ways, the first WIC movie is like that, too, in terms of, like, you know.
in terms of like you gotta really have an appetite
for guys getting shot close range in the face
and that, yeah, for that.
My vote would be WIC, but I'll throw a couple more
ideas at you. One, the
Rogue Nation fallout diptitch,
which I think is pretty effective as action movies go.
The other one, maybe Skyfall.
Wow, interesting.
Some pretty great action sequences.
There are great action sequences, but I mean,
like, by and large, that's lifestyle porn
and Javier Bardem doing that really
long take
is the thing
that I remember most
I would be interested
to see a poll
of this versus WIC
maybe we'll drop
that on social media
I think the Raid movies
is like what WIC
wants to be
even the WIC is incredible
I agree with you
secretly
but you know
you and I
don't like to talk about
who won the movie
last category
Jason
Charlize
I agree
is there another
answer that isn't
Charlize
I mean it's
potentially it's George Miller
it's the
the caper on
a fascinating career.
I don't think it's Tom Hardy.
I don't think it's Rick Disirectus,
though shout out to Nathan Jones
for wonderful performance.
I don't think it's the Duf Warrior.
I don't think it's
Riley Keio or Zoe Kravitz
or Abby Lee or Rosie Huntington
Whiteley or
any of the other, maybe
the bullet farmer?
No? It's Charlize.
It's Charlize.
Okay, Charlize their own.
Guys, this is great.
Thank you so much. Mad Max Fury Road, one of the greatest action movies of all time.
This has been The Rwatchables. Thank you very much for listening.
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