The Rewatchables - 'Mad Max: Fury Road,' With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Micah Peters, and Jason Concepcion

Episode Date: August 23, 2018

Oh, what a day, what a lovely day. The Ringer’s Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Micah Peters, and Jason Concepcion ride dirt bikes through a post-apocalyptic wasteland to revisit 2015’s Academy Award�...��wining ‘Mad Max: Fury Road,’ starring Charlize Theron and Tom Hardy and directed by George Miller. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Oh, what a day. What a lovely day. My name is Sean. My world is fire and blood and movies. And this is the rewatchables Mad Max Fury Road. War boys. It is by man of this world. They're my property. Oh, what a day.
Starting point is 00:00:44 What a lovely day. I am joined today by the ringers Chris Ryan, Jason Concepcion, and Micah Peters. And we are talking about maybe, maybe, maybe. The Best Action Movie of the Decade, a topic which we will discuss in this episode. Fury Road is directed by George Miller. It's the fourth installment in the then-70-year-old Miller's Australian Apocalyptic Action Series, which launched 36 years earlier with the original Mad Max starring Mel Gibson. In this movie, here's a very brief plot description for you guys.
Starting point is 00:01:19 Mad Max is caught up with a group of people fleeing across the wasteland in a war rig driven by the Imperator Furiosa. This movie is an account of the Road War which follows. it is based on the word burgers of the history men and eyewitness accounts of those who survived. Fury Road was released in the summer of 2015, a full 30 years since the most recent sequel, 1985's Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, and it was instantly hailed as an action masterpiece.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Fury Road stars an almost entirely new cast, including Tom Hardy as Max Rakatansky, Charlize Theron as Imperator Furiosa, Nicholas Holt as Nux, and returning to the fold is Hugh Keyes Burn, this time is a different character of the villainous Immorten Joe. This movie has a 97% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
Starting point is 00:02:02 That's low. It grows $378 million worldwide. Few more tidbits for you guys before we get started. It was nominated for 10 Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Director. It won six of them, essentially sweeping the technical categories. Of the eight Best Picture nominees
Starting point is 00:02:17 of the 2016 Academy Awards, Fury Road, is the only one to not receive a single acting nomination. Of the movie, New York Times Critic A. A.O. Scott wrote, The script which Mr. Miller wrote with Brendan McCarthy and Nico Lothoris has been whittled almost clean of expository dialogue and touchy-feely Bushwa. A cut or a pan can explain or express much more than words.
Starting point is 00:02:37 When Fury Road reaches for emotional grandeur, it relies on the faces of its cast. Ms. Theron can be a silent movie heroine despite the noise that surrounds her, and on Junkie XL's superb, full-throated score, when it wants to crack jokes, the movie reaches for quick, profane, psychaggags, or elaborate feats of Newtonian improbability. Guys, Mad Max Fury Road. Give me your first impressions of this movie when you first saw it. Chris?
Starting point is 00:03:00 Everything you said is very interesting and the verbiage we attach to this movie and the ways in which we can discuss it on these sort of intellectual and film school levels is great. I use two words to describe this movie. A chase. It is primal. You can watch this movie and have no idea about the mythology of the Wasteland or Max or any of the previous film. films. And it is just about up there with French Connection and Ronan as my favorite car chase movie of all time. And that's just, that's just a thing that almost you can't articulate. I don't know why it is that I like watching one car chasing another. I don't know why that's
Starting point is 00:03:39 so cool to see in a movie screen, but it is. It's funny that you should say that because it will not surprise you to know that I have not watched a single one of the earlier movies. Is this your first chase movie, Micah? This is my first chase movie. Mike's first chase movie. No, this is, I've, the, everything blows up. And I can't think of another movie in which the plot is so inessential. And I am overful and can watch this movie any number of times and not get tired of it. Jason, I know you've seen those chase movies Chris outlined.
Starting point is 00:04:14 What was your reaction when you saw, Fury Road? I was just blown back in my seat. the right after the sand right after the sandstorm and everything hits and goes black you know the car pinwheeling up into the air and the sand tornado screen goes black and there is an audible
Starting point is 00:04:35 just exhalation in the theater and that's just that's an experience that you can only get in a movie theater and that that kind of movie can give you is just spectacle in a way that is life-affirming and
Starting point is 00:04:50 takes your breath away. Maybe when we talk about most re-watchable scene we can talk about basically that 33-minute stretch that leads to the moment that Jason is talking about, which is probably the most breakneck sequence in movie history. I think any re-watchable scene from this movie is going to be like an 18-minute
Starting point is 00:05:06 sequence because it's essentially a six-scene movie or something like that. I think another thing that's worth mentioning in terms of the re-watchability of this movie, which I watched last night, as I tried to do before these, is the fact that it still is probably at the pinnacle of visual effects and movies. And it basically was this dissertation on all the tricks and all the things that Miller probably knew how to do in the 80s with practical effects.
Starting point is 00:05:34 And everything that's happened since then with post-production effects that you can do digitally to correct things. And if there's like some incredible stuff online that you can see of the car chases before they were treated. you can watch like YouTube's of like them shooting and it's it's you know obviously a lot is done to it but for the most part those cars are there and they are driving pretty fast and those guys are in the cars driving those cars and they're hitting each other and they're like flipping them and they're riding the bikes off of the mounds and this is this is pure physical visceral filmmaking seven months shoot finished filming in December of 2012 70 hours of footage.
Starting point is 00:06:18 It costs $250 million to make, and it took two plus years to edit and put together. And there's more than 1,200 visual effect shots to go along with all the crazy practical stuff that you're talking about. So it's basically one of the most difficult movies to make
Starting point is 00:06:32 in the history of movies. I was thinking a little bit about Mad Max when I was watching it too, and thinking about how it really doesn't have anything to do with the Mad Max story to me. Do you guys, are you Mad Max heads? Are you thinking about the mythology heading into it?
Starting point is 00:06:46 because there were obviously three films that came before this. I'm a pretty big Road Warrior fan. Like that movie really peeled by Cap Back when I saw it. And I'd never seen anything like that. That kind of mythology torn from whole cloth and just been like, this isn't Star Wars, this isn't something that you kind of know about. And that's right on the edge of where exploitation movies become prestige movies. You know, the first film, I think in some ways,
Starting point is 00:07:14 there's a couple of sliding doors. that's just like vanishing point. It's like a movie that they show at New Beverly at midnight, but not. It doesn't wind up being like something that births a billion dollar franchise and makes Mel Gibson a global superstar. It's just like a cult movie that like, I ever see that movie where the guy gets like his cape right over and then he chases people through Australia all day? It's awesome.
Starting point is 00:07:35 It's like that would basically be what Mad Max is. And then Road Warrior makes it into, I think, this, this epic tale of post-apocalyptic dystopian gas-guzzling metal gear solid craziness. Yeah, Road Warrior really changed my life in terms of dystopian movie making. I'd never engage with a story quite like that. And also, just a really cool story, the cynicism like underneath it, where it's like you do something. Mad Max finally does something good for other people and then he gets screwed in the end. It's just a great turn.
Starting point is 00:08:14 I actually saw Beyond Thunderdome in the Philippines. And I was thinking about something you just said, Chris, about how you really just don't need any, you don't need to understand what's happening, to understand what's happening because of the visual storytelling is so strong. I watched it with a guy who didn't speak any English, and he understood the movie. Yeah, he's like master bluster.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Yeah, master bluster. Great. You know, like there's that one part where a guy like just, he crashes his car and then his like middle finger, comes up out of the sand. And he was laughing. Like, so it, Miller is incredible at that kind of visual storytelling.
Starting point is 00:08:51 And it's interesting that it, the story really doesn't need to have any kind of like real connections to what came before. It's like, Max in this is sort of like the other Mad Max, but not really. Like, lost his family,
Starting point is 00:09:07 we presume, because of the flashbacks, but there's no, there's no hard connective tissue. Like, had you seen any of that? the Mad Max movies before this movie? No, but I mean, like, you understand, I mean, like, you get the gist of it.
Starting point is 00:09:20 I think that I passed a point in, I guess, living memory. Like, you know all the references to the Mad Max, you know, it doesn't feel right to call them. The first Mad Max movies. The theme of resource depletion, general hopelessness, what happens when there are no heroes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So you get the gist of it. And then, I mean, like, the first, the first, like, 30 minutes of Fury Road, we were talking about a little bit earlier. It's just everything is very hastily rendered.
Starting point is 00:09:55 It throws it at you and you have to deal with it and you get the, you understand what's happening. And some of Max's motivations, at least. Yeah, it's also, I think we tend to forget that these movies came before The Terminator. They came before 12 monkeys. They came before, like, all of this kind of post-apocalyptic, The Matrix, this wave of movies. movies, there's sort of science fiction action that started to take over Hollywood through the 80s and 90s and George Miller's movies essentially sort of built the template for it, even though they don't quite look and feel exactly like the others.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Should we dive into the categories? Yeah, I would just say that the other thing that these movies do that I think is so impressive is that, and I think for Jason and I, we probably both responded to this, was it took dystopia and made it look like the present day. So you have guys walking around a football pads, driving Dodge Chargers with like super engines, big rigs with like grates on them and you know everything is modded everything is like just modified it's not like it's not even like a back to the future delorean kind of situation or any there's no special hyper space drive or anything like that everything is what would be remaining
Starting point is 00:11:01 yeah in this desert wasteland and how would people adapt these things to make them survival machines and also how would that how would those the kind of the symbols that you see around you today, everyday stuff, turn into something iconic in a dystopian future where everything had fallen apart. What would those things? What would a hockey mask come to represent in the future, you know? Yeah, I'd like to explore some of the physical tools that they create to destroy each other. Well, let's get right into the categories.
Starting point is 00:11:31 We tipped towards most rewatchable scene. I'm going to throw three suggestions that you guys. They're basically more sequences than scenes. The first is the war boys come after Imperator Furiosa. where we are introduced to the Duf Warrior and Rictus Arectus and others culminating in the sandstorm. Culminating in the sandstorm. No shots to the original Duforier, Andres Biedrin's. The second scene is the bullet farmer pursues the war rig while it's stuck in the mud,
Starting point is 00:12:03 and they chain up to the tree, which upon second watch, I was kind of blown away by. And then the third scene is sort of the return to the Citadel attack, with the Polkats and the Vuvolini's Valiant Defense. Any other scenes you would recommend there? I didn't pick any of the sort of slower dialogue-laden scenes. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:12:23 the excite-like scenes. Okay. The Canyon raid? Blowing the canyon. And the first moment where she's like, I'm going to drop the pod and she's like, you know, if I yell fool, you go. That whole sequence and I think it's
Starting point is 00:12:39 pretty much a, if something he was like, well, why Woods makes this movie special? And you wanted to show them how this is a guy who can take this wide open vista and put it into a rectangle and say, okay, like, this is you. Here's where they are.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Here's where this person is. Here's how long it takes this person to get here. Here's the stuff that's like the inciting incident. It's all pure visual filmmaking and like a level that you really only like 10 or 11 people have ever really been able to master. Yeah. Yeah, it's very John 4.
Starting point is 00:13:11 You know, the like you arrive at the canyon and you're surrounded on all sides. Like it is very classic movie making stuff. Jason, any other scenes that you want to recommend? I mean, those are the ones. Any of the big chase scenes, that excite bike scene is off the charts. And yeah, that's the spatial awareness that you have. It's very underrated because when you watch a chaotic film, you're like, where am I? Where is this happening at?
Starting point is 00:13:37 What is who is doing what to whom? why did the camera flip around like that? And that you never have that. And there's a million things going on in every single scene. And he's cutting back and forth from the top of the truck to the cab of the truck to stuff that's happening outside. And you always understand where you are. It's incredible. Micah.
Starting point is 00:13:57 I'm still partial over numerous rewatchings to the first time that Max, quote, unquote, meets Furiosa. Just because, like, that entire sequence from when he wakes up, face down, in the sand and has his first flashback or has the flashback and then attempts to eat off Nux's hand like to free himself and then decides you know what instead I'm just going to take this salt off shotgun and carry him to the war rig and like also just the entire thing of like you know
Starting point is 00:14:32 you see him he he's human so he needs water and then he's just like you know can you please clip this chain off And then the entire fight is like them, the wives yanking him around like a pit bull and crack. Like, and then he's like basically like him and Furiosa going out. It's one of my favorite action sequences ever. I love the way that that begins after the sandstorm because it's very playful from Miller because you see this, what you think, what I thought was like a mountain in the distance. But no, it's a close up of him buried in the sand. and a really playful movie making.
Starting point is 00:15:12 That shot is so good. Yeah. It's like Charlie Chaplin movie. Okay, so what are your picks? You're going to excite bike. I'm going to go to psych bike, but I really do like the Crow's sequence. Okay. The sequence out in the mud.
Starting point is 00:15:22 The return to the Citadel. Yeah. Same. Same. Yeah, I think you have to go with like the return to the Citadel with the Pole Cats where they're just jumping from vehicle to vehicle. I'm going the first. the first 30 minutes because of what Jason said,
Starting point is 00:15:39 which is that I think I had read a little bit about this movie before I went into it, but when I sat down, I did have the Take Your Breath Away feeling, which movies very rarely can accomplish these days. And it's just, it's an incredible thing. Let's use this opportunity to talk a little bit about the story of this movie, which I think is
Starting point is 00:15:55 a little hard to understand. It doesn't really seem fully connected to the previous three, even though it clearly is. And we were talking before we started recording about this grand mythology that George Miller has clearly been plotting. You know, the movie ends with an epilogue
Starting point is 00:16:11 about the history men, which is apparently a wizened group of older people telling the story of everything that happened with the fall of a Morton Joe. But like, how would you know that if you didn't have the internet? Yeah. It's definitely there. I mean, there's an entire graphic novel where they
Starting point is 00:16:26 render the entire backstory and they explain the history men. But also, I just like the like the in-joke of the basically the long decades-spanning game of
Starting point is 00:16:43 ideological telephone so that language becomes like increasingly infantile and they poke jokes about this like on in different mediums like there's the joke on Rick and Morty where they kind of had the Thunderdome episode
Starting point is 00:16:58 and classic token millennial I have to mention this like after the boom boom some of dafted to the new truth and some chose to huddle near the boomy holes clinging to the lie of the before four times. The raiderades rotted them away,
Starting point is 00:17:15 leaving only their love for the Verdes-Vurdishments on the billy boards. That's exactly what Thunderdome is like, by the way. You should actually see that movie because that is... That's actually... I was like, is he just re-end... Exactly what Thunderdome is like.
Starting point is 00:17:30 There is something in all the dialogue in this movie, and in all the Mad Max movies, that is crypto-biblical, but also kind of crypto like troglodyte, you know, like people not even speaking in full sentences. There's something, obviously Tom Hardy's choices in this movie are monosyllabic. I don't, the story itself, I think, you know what, let's wait till what's, what's age the worst?
Starting point is 00:17:57 What's age the best? I think that the obvious recommendation is the action sequences. We're only three years since this movie was released. I think what Chris said earlier. is completely right. This is just like kind of pinnacle shit. My only other suggestion, and I'm open to others, was I just think everything that Charlize is doing
Starting point is 00:18:14 in this movie is awesome. And it's really classical and it's much more she's really Mad Max in this movie. She's clearly the star. She's the hero. All the choices that she makes, she has the sort of the, I don't know, the Joseph Campbell journey in a lot of ways. What's age the best?
Starting point is 00:18:30 Oh, I think it's, it's Charlize's performance by far. It's an iconic action movie performance It's a character we've never really seen before. It's a version of the Mad Max archetype, the lone kind of one moral person complicated, but still moral person out in this desert moral wasteland. You know, I think that when we first meet Max in this movie,
Starting point is 00:18:57 and they're doing those really quick flashbacks. And I'm not sure if in your research about the movie, it's come up because it's still unclear. the story that's supposed to apparently have occurred right in between Thunderdome and Fury Road very much mirrors the plot of Mad Max, which is that Max tries to save this woman and her child
Starting point is 00:19:17 and fails, basically. And that's, I think, what he is flashing back to. It's just that we never get that in the movie itself. But it's so, it's so kinetic and just channel surfy that we don't really ever like having a moment emotional investment in his arc, I think, as much as we do with Furiosa because of the lie that's at the center of her journey, you know, and then you find out that hope is more of an idea
Starting point is 00:19:45 than it is an actual place. And I just, I always found that the way that she dealt with that, she would, just for her collapse into the sand in that sort of iconic shot, I mean, that's, that's something that they'll be playing in best in Oscar montages for like 30 years. Amazing moment. What about you, Jason? I think it's the action for me, although I do agree with everything that Chris said. Charlie's is magnetic. I love the way she's introduced. You just see this figure striding away from everything, you know, walking away from you
Starting point is 00:20:20 as if she's about to walk away from this world that she's been inhabiting. And you just can't take your eyes off whatever it is. She's doing, that crazy bionic arm. Like everything about her is like, holy shit. This is a badass. Yeah. Micah. I mean, like, also to go to piggyback on the badass part,
Starting point is 00:20:42 the fact that she, like, knees the metal grate that's on Tom Hardy's face, realizes it hurts and then keeps doing it because she's just like, I need to put this person down. She's a badass. She's a great badass action movie creation. My pick is George Miller's thesis for this movie, which he crafted well, well, well before it was made 10, 15, 20 years, and I'll read it very quickly for you.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Miller's thesis was, could we make a film which is almost a continuous chase and how much can the audience apprehend from that story in terms of character, relationships, the world, the backstory, and so on? And that the McGuffin, the thing that everyone's in conflict over, should be human because to some extent or another, we're all commodities in the world. Now, that is one part, highfalutin, one part genius movie making. You know, it's just like, how can I just tell something visually
Starting point is 00:21:26 while also larding it with all this ideology. And, you know, I think if you do the high-level film-crit sociological analysis of the movie, it's about feminism, it's about ecological collapse, it's about the tolls of war, it's about some of the things that Micah was talking about at the top of the show. It's kind of an amazing thing to fit into a movie like this that is basically about, like, excite bikes throwing bombs on a truck full of oil and women. Yeah, and all of the dialogue is just the coolest of effect.
Starting point is 00:21:53 It's just like cutting in between people, and that's just how you're supposed to get what people feel. Yeah, I mean, if you watch this movie with close captioning on, you realize like, nobody's something more fly. No, you do, because like, if you're watching it, you're just like, but when you actually are reading it as well, you're like, oh, that's why he's so mad. It's like there's a lot of revelations in the dialogue,
Starting point is 00:22:18 but they're underneath a lot of exhaust sounds, you know? Yes, for sure. In terms of what's aged the worst, it's only a three-year-old movie. So we don't have the typical, this isn't a wedding crash for situation where we're litigating the comedy. There's nothing going on like that.
Starting point is 00:22:33 I don't think that any of the action sequences have aged really at all. They're perfect as they were. The casting is great. The direction is great. The movie looks great. This is maybe more of a nitpick than what's age the worst,
Starting point is 00:22:45 but what was Immorten Joe's plan here? Yeah. What do you think he was at? We know what he wanted. Is he just supposed to be an avidacted? for like avarice. I don't know. I don't think that there's supposed to be any logical motivation. What should his plan be? What are you talking about? Well, okay, so he's in pursuit of these five, maybe six women, his wives, who are essentially
Starting point is 00:23:11 broodmare. You know, they're there to help him procreate and he's trying to get one healthy son. Right, one healthy son. Now, is it because they are the most beautiful women in the Citadel? Is it because they are the only fertile women in the Citadel? Why are there not other women to whom he could turn that he needs to marshal all of the forces of the Citadel to go on a wild goose chase? Well, to be fair, it has a little bit of Helen of Troy stuff going on because his quote-unquote brothers or whatever that, you know, like the guys who he, in the prequels, it's really just other generals, I think, that he's banded together with.
Starting point is 00:23:46 But those guys are like all this over a family squabble. Like they don't want to be, they're kind of out on this. but they're also like war mad insane people. So they're just like, let's go fire some bullets into the desert. I don't know. I think that his plan was I need one healthy child, not to disparage them, but by the looks of it,
Starting point is 00:24:05 the ladies who are just pumping mother's milk look like maybe they've seen better days. And he's got like this group of people, these group of women that he thinks he's got a shot at having a male air that isn't Richtus or the homie who just sits there with a telescope. You don't think Rickus is up to it? I had a baby brother. I had a little Barbie brother
Starting point is 00:24:24 and he was perfect perfect to everyone You don't think Rictus is up to leading the city of God? I don't know if you're like if you're guzzling breast milk and all you can really do is fire a Gatling gun. Yeah I don't see Tony Lorusa levels of strategy
Starting point is 00:24:40 he's not going lefty righty in the same day. You don't think you don't think Rictus inspired him. I am a brother! He was proper. I was hoping we were going to get to our Rictus line readings. Yeah, I don't think Rictus is up to him.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Do we know what his other brother are doing that in the office? Any of times, like, palo files a blog post. I have a blog post! It is fucking. Don't freak out anybody who had to see this movie. Do you think Rictus realizes that he's being passed over? No, I don't think so. He doesn't.
Starting point is 00:25:18 He doesn't. Rikis does not understand much. Why is legacy important to Immorton Joe? Shouldn't he just be enjoying this time? Why is legacy important to any of these? Why is legacy important in general? It'll be that. Chris Ryan, why is legacy important to the Mad Max franchise?
Starting point is 00:25:33 In a time when, you know, there's probably not a lot of recorded history in a time when there's probably not a lot of stability, that one thing that we've seen these somewhat evil royal families do over the course of human history, is it the most important thing is that we continue our reign, you know? I mean, the most important thing is that we have a male heir to continue this. forward. I mean, why do any of us do anything that we do? Because you want some part of you to live beyond the boundaries of your natural life. Why record a podcast? Why write on the internet? Why write a book? Why do anything? In Morton Joe, you know, doesn't...
Starting point is 00:26:11 This is dangerous territory. I know. It's not a Morton Joe has, you know, does not... What if a Morton Joe is right? My colleague... What I'm saying is a Morton Joe, it's not hard to understand what has, you know, what is, it's a primal need to continue his, to continue to live, to live on beyond, uh, the boundaries of his natural life and the natural lives of his idiot son. And also, I mean, like the, the natural life is the only thing that you have when there's no verifiable recorded history. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. You, you have to have the oral tradition. What would be the name of a Morton Joe's podcast? Oh, man. You are a way to The Morton Joe Budden podcast.
Starting point is 00:26:57 Okay, let's keep it moving. We're going to do casting what-ifs. Come to find out there's not a whole lot of casting what-ifs. Obviously, this movie was conceived in the 80s shortly after Beyond Thunderdome. So Mel Gibson was the presumptive Mad Max for this movie for a long time, all the way up until, I believe, 2003, which is when another round of funding was going to come through to get the movie going. And Mel Gibson ultimately declined to participate in,
Starting point is 00:27:20 fact because he became fascinated by the story that would become the passion of the Christ. Oh, wow. The only other person that I could find... Speaking of legacies. Well, that's a different podcast. Maybe the lethal weapon podcast, we can relitigate. Heath Ledger was considered before his death in 2008. Which, I think, maybe let's use
Starting point is 00:27:38 this as an opportunity to talk about Tom Hardy and what he is doing in this movie and whether someone like Heath would have been more well suited to it or whether it's right. Because the movie has Med Max in the title. I don't really think of this as a movie that is about Max. I don't like Tom Hardy's performance. I don't really get what he was going for.
Starting point is 00:27:56 I feel like half of it, if not more, is dubbed. And also quite famously, George Miller and Charlestern hated working with him. Yes. And he had to sort of make amends with them after the movie was released because he apparently was just so difficult on the set. I think a lot of people did leave the set of that movie
Starting point is 00:28:12 saying to themselves, that's going to be a disaster. That's going to be like an all-time disaster. So it was only when I think Miller went away for more than a year to cut. And then he was like, surprise. I made a masterpiece. People were like,
Starting point is 00:28:25 what an honor to be a part of this incredible production. But I think that there was initially a lot of like Francis Coppola went up the river and lost all the money that that was going on with that. Yeah. Jason, do you, how do you feel about what Tom Hardy's doing here? I think that Miller did an incredible job in making a movie where the taciturn nature of his lead actor was not in any way a hindrance to the movie in general.
Starting point is 00:28:54 So I think it's a testament to the power of what Miller created that Hardy's performance doesn't take away from the movie, but it is like it's the weirdest kind of half-assing that I've ever seen
Starting point is 00:29:10 on a movie that that's that is that good. Because it just seems like he's sleepwalking through a lot of stuff that happens. Yeah, he's, He looks really cool. He looks cool. He's right for the part.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Yeah. And the sequences of him like strapped to the front of the car and the face he's making and the physicality of the performance is awesome. But every time he talks, I'm like, what the fuck? What's he doing? I don't know. Micah, I think you're more in at Tom Harding. No, I was into. The thing is that like I'm rewatching it again last night.
Starting point is 00:29:44 I think it kind of became clear than it had ever been that he has. about five different voices in this movie, of course, because they were dubbed after the fact. But I don't know. I think that his grunting in the affirmative and the negative kind of suits the role in a way. I also am just drawn back to, well, the thing that kind of defines this performance for me
Starting point is 00:30:13 is the one where he's having, he falls asleep in the passenger seat of the war rig and then has a nightmare and wakes up trying to punch somebody, is just like, there are a bunch of little small moments like that that I just remember vividly and love deeply. I think he gets the physicality of the role, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:33 I think, you know, in the previous Mad Max movies, there is not a tremendous amount of dialogue from Max. So it's, I don't think he was necessarily betraying the legacy of the Mel Gibson part so much at, and so much is like he just didn't have, all he had to do was not screw up the dialogue scenes. And I feel like, This is the devil's bargain with Tom Hardy is that you get a guy who essentially is a combination of like Sean Connery and Lawrence Olivier and then he kind of like wants to act like Jim Carrey. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:31:02 Like he just makes these weird choices and you're like, wait, like you have all the tools, man. Like what are you talking about? Like you could just be James Bond and also an Oscar winning actor and you want to do weird daffy duck voices. And that's being like shown again and all this Alcoeur and stuff. I feel like something about playing Bain broke him. It's always the voice with him now. I guess you could say it always was. But it's the Bain voice.
Starting point is 00:31:33 It defines Hardy in a strange way. Yeah. I just think about all the time now just perhaps he's wondering why you would shoot him at before throwing him out of a plane. That's pretty good. Yeah, that is good. That's good. That really challenges Robert Macy's Bain, which is a legendary.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Hardy in Inception, though, is just, you watch that and you're like, oh, that guy's going to be a movie star for 25 years. Yeah. Yeah. And then he just basically was like, now, that was just one voice that I do. That was just like, I don't want to go back to that. In 2014, I actually wrote about Tom Hardy's voice and the accents he chose for the website, grayoutland.com. And I was writing about Gangster Squad. And in Gangster Squad, he's doing like a cartoon cat, you know, like that's his choice.
Starting point is 00:32:16 and in the drop, he's doing a guy who works in the Brooklyn Pork Store. And in this movie, I don't know what the slick comparison is. What's the, what about, what would you say his voice in Locke is? Um, hmm. I mean, I think it's pretty, it's like Eastern European immigrant, but been in London for a long time. Yeah, that's a movie where he has to talk for 90 minutes, essentially. Sure. He's like Luca Modrich, maybe.
Starting point is 00:32:52 That was really playing to the room there. Okay, let's go to the Dion Waders Award. I have a couple of recommendations, but I want to know what you guys think. Nathan Jones has Rickus erectus. He was really going for it. The line readings that you guys showed us
Starting point is 00:33:09 a few minutes ago, our expert. I think this is kind of a flex performance from Zoe Kravitz, who I don't think we had quite as much of a relationship to before this movie came along. Certainly, Hugh Kees-Burn, as a Morton Joe. Anybody else? Yeah, I'm going to go with Dufourier.
Starting point is 00:33:31 I'm going to go with Duforier and play by Oda, this dude from New Zealand who is a musician, writer, and a painter, and all these other things, he's a polyglot. Apparently beat Hugh Jackman for a Tony Award. Wow. Yeah, I'm serious. Just because it's in this landscape of nothing but really dust and brown and chrome and neutral colors and monotone voices and exhaust, he's wearing this red pajama suit and playing a flaming double-neck guitar.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Like, he's impossible not to look at. My favorite part, there was one time where he seems to be sleeping in like a hammock of guitar. straps and then just like wakes up and immediately goes into his wrist this guy's such a professional. It's like G.E. Smith coming out of a commercial brand. Yeah, the guy that was
Starting point is 00:34:31 doing, Iota was, there's an interview that you can read about it on on noisy where he was just talking about he'd be in a strap. But you're going to say like iota.org. No. He just be, like that was probably the truest to what his experience was on set
Starting point is 00:34:47 because he, they just, strap him in after he'd be there at 6 of the morning, he'd put on the makeup and everything, and then he'd just be in the harnesses for eight hours. So he would just be playing, like, noodling ACDC songs to himself, and then eventually you would just start banging, banging out riffs, nonsensical shit, just because he was just like, the being animated was the most important part. What's the thinking on the Duf Warrior? Is it like we need an announcement of destruction?
Starting point is 00:35:14 The Dufourer is my Dionne Waiter's award winner, but also, you know, but also, you know, Also, I kind of feel like it's the thing that age the worst. Oh, wow. Because Rock is dead? Because Rock is dead and that slip-knott style of weird, like, Dude Warrior New Metal is also dead. But also because it's like that thing of, did you need it? Did you really need it? Like, is that, it just strikes me as the thing that's-
Starting point is 00:35:39 You should have died in like the first sheet chase. It's a little bit, you know, like energy is so important in this world without resources, but also like let's make sure the doof warrior has like two mountainous stacks of 100 watt amps so that what like why yeah yeah people are literally drinking breast milk and dying it's like this new peev in a stack it's incredible yeah can you turn up the mounters i can't hear myself over it like if you're this is the pedal that kim fayle you don't see for unknown man i i just think that if you like i understand the need to have battle drums,
Starting point is 00:36:21 so to speak, for the advancing army, and to basically ramp it up to its logical extreme. But, yeah, I mean, like, it definitely is the most wasteful and ridiculous part of the movie, but I love it. Yeah, it's a weird that the English language doesn't quite make it through the wasteland, but, like,
Starting point is 00:36:37 drop D guitar. Right. We've got a total, complete understanding of late aughts metal, but I can't speak English anymore. Okay, so the DeN Waiters Award goes to the Dufourier. DuF Warrior. The Joey Pants Award.
Starting point is 00:36:53 For that guy? Which I kind of don't really understand what it is, but I'll try to remember what it is. It's essentially about somebody who we didn't quite know who they were, and then they emerged as somebody that we would remember, like Joey Pantiliano. I guess this is Zoe, right? So I wrote Riley Keo. Oh, yeah, that's true. I was not really super familiar with, the granddaughter of Elvis Presley.
Starting point is 00:37:11 This is one year before the girlfriend experienced the TV show, and she's kind of gone on to be a pretty well. a pretty well-known actress at this stage. Anybody else? Who's the little guy in the basket with the periscope? That guy? Go on anything? Corpus Colossus?
Starting point is 00:37:29 Yeah, Corpus Colossus. No, he's not in any work. Does he have like a Netflix show coming out soon? Not as far as I know, no. Okay. Ozark Season 2? Also, I should just say, It Morton Joe has another son
Starting point is 00:37:43 from the video game adaption of this. movie named Scabris Scroatus. Scabrous Scroatus? Did you play the video game? Yeah, it's bad. How many baby books do you think he had to go through to get to that name? I just don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:00 We have a new category that I'm going to introduce to you guys. The name of this category is called What is the thing Bill would say on this podcast that would make us all uncomfortable, considering he's not here. This is in the lineage of Bill imitating. Forrest Gump furiously ejaculating. It's also
Starting point is 00:38:22 in the lineage of the Wedding Crashers' sex scenes and Bill locking eyes with Chris while he discusses them. Chris, why he discussed a hand job for five minutes? That's right. Chris, what is the thing Bill would say that would make us uncomfortable if you were here? Why am I
Starting point is 00:38:38 the person who has to do this? I think it would I don't feel safe. I think it would probably be something along the lines of like what is the what do we think of the virility of War Boys? You know like what is
Starting point is 00:38:53 do those guys fuck what's up with the spray paint is that like a nitrous hit you know and is the love affair between Riley Keogh and Nicholas Holt like a long term viable thing? I don't think the latter question would have made me uncomfortable but do the War Boys fuck is a good
Starting point is 00:39:11 headline anything you guys want to add to that also sounds like something Mal would say too that's true that's true. Maybe something about a Morton Joe and whether he can fuck without the gas mask Because he's getting enough oxygen Into his system
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Starting point is 00:40:33 Get $160 off of a Lisa mattress at Lisa.com backslashables. That's Lisa.com slash rewatchables for $160 off. Lisa, a better place to sleep. Welcome back to the rewatchables. Mad Max Fury Road. We've just finished interrogating some of these sexual proclivities
Starting point is 00:40:52 of this movie's villain in Morton Joe. Let's go to Half-Fest Internet research of which there is a ton. And I don't want to go too far with this, but I'll read a few things. We can talk about them. Fury Road was in development held for many years,
Starting point is 00:41:04 with pre-production starting as early as 1997, attempts to shoot the film in 2001. In 2003, were delayed due to the September 11th attacks and the Iraq War. In 2007, after focusing on Happy Feet, which you guys may know is a animated penguin movie that George Miller also made. He also made the movie Babe and Babe Pig in the City.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Incredible IMDB from George Miller. Truly. And Lorenzo's Oil. Yes, one of the most fascinating filmmakers in the history of movies. So you returned to it in 2007, briefly consider producing it as a computer animated film, but abandoned it in favor of live action.
Starting point is 00:41:37 I think we all agree that that was a very good choice. Especially because I don't watch cartoons. You know, Micah was just talking about Iota, the Australian artist and musician, whose real name is Sean Hap. In an interview with Vice, he said the guitar weighed 132 pounds and shot real gas-powered flames,
Starting point is 00:41:54 which he controlled using the Whammy Bar. I wonder if Vice verified that. Wow. I would, yeah, I don't know. I just would choose to believe in the role. This movie was shot in sequence. Holding a Rabinio-sized guitar. That's interesting.
Starting point is 00:42:09 That's really interesting. For those of you don't know, shooting a sequence essentially means you start on page one of the script and you shoot all the way through in that order. Wow. And that's very surprising, given that the sequences are so complex. And you imagine that, like, I don't know, was Charlize just on set every day?
Starting point is 00:42:27 Yeah. I mean, she shows up, what, 15, 20 minutes into the movie after they've captured him and he's escaped. Yeah. So I think so, probably. Okay. Principal photography began on the 26th of June in Namibia. It also happened in Pots Hill and Penrith Lakes in Western Sydney. In October 2012, the Hollywood Reporter.
Starting point is 00:42:45 reported that Warner Brothers sent an executive to keep their production on track. The filming eventually wrapped on the 17th of December 2012 and lasted for 120 days. That's a long shoot. Yeah. Really long. Regarding the look of the film, director George Miller laid down two stipulations for the production to follow. Firstly, the cinematography would be as colorful as possible in order to differentiate the film from other post-apocalyptic movies, which typically have bleak, desaturated colors.
Starting point is 00:43:10 During pre-production, the initial concept was for a black and white film. However, producers strongly advised against this as they believed it would deter audiences. Secondly, the art direction would be as beautiful as possible as Miller's in the people living in the post-apocalypse would try to find whatever scraps of beauty they could in their meager environment. I don't know if you nailed the second one.
Starting point is 00:43:28 I wouldn't call this a beautiful movie. No, I don't think so either. Or one rich with interior design. Do you agree? Hmm. Yeah, no, I mean, like I do agree. I mean, the rose of cabbage are pretty cool and stuff like that. Cabbage and the
Starting point is 00:43:43 now defunct green place was where the people were walking on stilts was an interesting set piece. But I mean, as far as the desaturation goes, if you watch those clips on YouTube of them doing the card sequences without any visual effect treatment, you can see that they're shooting in like these kind of like overcast days
Starting point is 00:44:05 and kind of shabby deserts. You know, like they're fine, but the sky is a kind of like off white and the rocks are kind of like a light brown. And then when you throw them through the computer, like it really, they really make everything have such incredible contrast. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:23 John Seal, the great cinematographer who shot many of George Miller's films. He also shot the English patient. He shot the talented Mr. Ripley. He was also, I believe, in his 70s and came out of retirement to make this movie. Damn. At George Miller's behest.
Starting point is 00:44:38 The writer and feminist, Eve Ensler, who created famously the vagina monologues was consulted to enhance the portrayal of female characters in this movie. Oh. Which is, I thought, interesting. Apex Mountain.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Mm-hmm. Wow. George Miller. No. Happy Feet was easily better. You know, Babe is really good. Babe and Babe too are excellent. They're very good movies.
Starting point is 00:45:07 And, you know, we're also talking Mad Max, Road Warrior and Beyond Thunderdome. I think Road Warrior is his best film and in some ways laid out this carpet for him to become one of the sort of the Spielbergian directors where he could take action, he could do drama, he could do all these different things. And he obviously just kind of followed his own path and he did this movie Lorenzo's Oil, I think, after Thunderdome. That was his foray into just kind of prestige drama. It was about Susan Sarandon and Nichols, Nick Nolte trying to cure their kids cancer. I think it's an undefined disease. Or undefined disease.
Starting point is 00:45:45 But it drew heavily from his experience as a doctor himself. And, you know, it was like a fine tear-jurker. But he never really worked at the volume that you need to work at to really get yourself in the mix like that. So I would say probably Road Warriors, Miller's apex for me. Okay. Tom Hardy? This is really complicated.
Starting point is 00:46:08 Is this the best movie Tom Hardy has ever been in? Ooh. Should we call back to the Inception podcast, the infamous Inception podcast. Is it the best movie Tom Hardy? I bet you guys think it is. Wow. Classic take from a real taboo head. I think that Inception is probably, I rated a little higher.
Starting point is 00:46:33 I would actually say that Inception is better than Fury Road in terms of movies that Tom Hardy's starred in. Or at least bin-in. Yeah, been in. Yeah. I mean, like, because I really do love that Ames character. Yeah. We've also got Dunkirk. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:46:49 We've got The Revenant. Uh-huh. I think my pick might be Warrior, which is a movie I really love. That was what I was going to say is his Apex Mountain. Warrior. Yeah. That's the best he's ever been. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:00 As a performer. Maybe not in terms of, like, his fame and his awareness. Yeah, yeah. That's my favorite version of him. He's really, really great in Warrior. And it's kind of like Tommy Conlin is kind of a better version of Max, you know, or he's kind of doesn't specify. speak very much as a very physical performance.
Starting point is 00:47:14 That being said, can you guys, when we're asked, there's like the fifth question in here, but can you guys think of anybody else you would rather have seen played Max, realistically? Well, I raised the Heath Ledger thing because I thought that would have been cool.
Starting point is 00:47:25 And Statham, no. No. No, no, no, no. No. No. Too comic-y. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Yeah. I can't think of, I honestly don't think I would pick anybody else over Tom Hardy for this role. What about Charlize? Okay. Is it Charlie's Apex? No.
Starting point is 00:47:45 No. I'm going to say yes. Wow. Over winning the Oscar for Monster. Yeah, over Monster, over her collaboration, Jason Raymond. Over a million ways to die in the West. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:47:59 Famously, a good tidbit about this movie. You know, she shaved her head for this movie, so she had to wear a wig when she was making a million ways to die in the West, the Seth MacFarlane Western comedy. Yeah, that was the only problem with a million days to... That was what held it back. Yeah, I think this, I think, I think, monster is for me her apex mountain.
Starting point is 00:48:14 George Miller is an interesting question. I do think this is apex mountain, even though I agree that the Road Warrior is a better film in terms of story and characters and their being and the pacing. But I think for me, Fury Road is as an achievement. It's almost unparalleled. To make that kind of movie in this era, you know what I mean? I just
Starting point is 00:48:43 where everything is so CG, like the balance between CG and practical effects is like almost completely CG where you could really feel the physics of what was
Starting point is 00:48:55 happening where listen Mad Max is is an established IP but it's not this is the age of Marvel and comic movies and it's not
Starting point is 00:49:05 something you would put up there with with Iron Man and stuff and the Avengers and for that movie to come out after all the struggles to get it made and for it to be that good
Starting point is 00:49:19 like really for me a top five action film all time top five like it's totally watchable at any point that you turn it on if it happens to be on and you see it it started you'll just watch it because there's always something that's going to happen next and it grabs you and doesn't let go in a way that maybe the fugitive is a movie
Starting point is 00:49:38 that the only other movie I can think of where once it starts that's it you're in you can't stop watching it. You feel propelled by it. Yeah. So I think it, for me, it is his Apex Mountain because it's a singular achievement in movie making. It's incredible.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Apex Mountain, the Dufoir? Eof. Easily. Easily. Who else? Would this movie have been better with Danny Trejo, Steve Buschemy, or Michael K. Williams, Micah? Michael K.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Williams, because I would have liked to have seen at least if you have Zoe Kravitz, but in addition, somebody who's somebody else. somebody else in color would have been nice. No, no war boys of color. What if Bouchemey had played a Morton Joe? Are we his friend? Splendid! Well, are we sure that a Morton Joe doesn't sound like Steve Bouchemy
Starting point is 00:50:33 without the voice modulator? If he played it like his character in Fargo after he gets shot in the face, you know that kind of voice? I think that would help. That's kind of what, you know, toe cutter from the original Mad Max, who was played by Hugh Keyes Byrne, who
Starting point is 00:50:50 plays a Morton Joe. It kind of sounds like that kind of guy, just with an Australian accent. The Mark Ruffalo, they knew! Overacting Award. I wrote down everyone. Yeah, I would go Rictus in this point. Yeah, I had a baby brother. He was perfect in every way. Yeah. I think, yeah, also the backseat all the wives
Starting point is 00:51:09 after Rosie Huntington Willie died. You know, like the, that was where I can't imagine that the direction was anything other than act really sad. Yeah. You know, one thing that is kind of exciting about this movie, but also makes it different, is it's not all shot in 24 frames per second.
Starting point is 00:51:27 It's sped up a lot. And so it feels like a movie from the 1930s a lot of the time. It's sort of like the old-fashioned version of listening to a podcast, the 2X, you know, it's kind of moving faster. Yeah. And I think that that kind of fucks with a lot of the performances because it just seems more cartoony. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:43 And maybe that's a good thing. It kind of helps with the, pacing and the action that you're supposed to feel this adrenaline that is moving at all times. The only person I feel like doesn't get affected by that as Charlize. Yes. She looks very... She looks very... ...all of her movements seem incredibly graceful,
Starting point is 00:51:58 whereas Tom Hardy is just like a Three Stooges character. Yes. It looks like Buster Keaton at times. I don't believe that this is the case, but I'd like to nominate also the scene where the bullet farmer runs over one of the Vuvillini's at the end. and makes, like, what can only be described as a strange, like, orgasm face?
Starting point is 00:52:20 Oh, yeah, yes. Oh, it's the Gastown guy. The guy was it Gastown? Yeah, the Gastown guy. Because the bullet farm gets blinded, right? The Gastown, gentlemen, General Gastown, it runs over the sniper of Ovillini,
Starting point is 00:52:32 who's like... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he makes a face that is, like, that is the visual representation of they knew. Yeah, also, I just feel like it needs to be mentioned somewhere in here that he is throughout... his appearances on screen regularly just touching his nipples.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Yeah. Maybe Bill should have been on this podcast. You know, well, you can tip into Best Quote a little bit with talking about the bullet farmer because I think, I am the scales of justice. You want to finish that line? Conductor of the Choir of Death. Sing brother heckler, sing brother Koch. that's good writing right there
Starting point is 00:53:21 Oh good news You know There are a lot of Immorten Joe I think almost everything he says Is this sort of biblical phraseology Do not my friends become addicted to water It will take hold of you
Starting point is 00:53:32 And you will resent its absence I don't Max says a few things That are There's a money one we're missing though Good Oh what a day Yes Oh what a day
Starting point is 00:53:43 And we haven't really talked about Nicholas Holt Go ahead Speak your truth Child actor famously he was in About a Boy and everybody was like, what a prodigy, here comes this guy. And I think has that,
Starting point is 00:53:57 has like this interesting, most of his movies since then, like the X-Men movies he's done and just makes some, what is that, Drake Dormus movies? Doremus. Doremus movies. Yeah, he's like, I always got this kind of like remove. Like there's something like, he's like a very good actor,
Starting point is 00:54:12 but there seems to be something a little bit vacant behind his eyes where like the real him is sort of holding back. and then this movie, he really, like, just like, I dare say is like just like completely like I get to be myself. He goes for it. Yeah. I don't think this is actually what he's like as much as he's just so physical, he's so emotional.
Starting point is 00:54:30 He's basically screaming for the entire movie. He's essentially an emotional infant, you know, he's, he goes from being this kind of suicidal, they call them comma crazies. And, you know, he wants to die and go to Valhalla to finding something bigger than that, to live for. And very interesting character, but yeah, that line is the one that I think coming out
Starting point is 00:54:52 of the trailer, everybody was just like going to start saying that all the time now. Yeah, and also he's a pretty boy, and he uglifies himself in this movie. There's no, it's not vain, and there's something. And also, I think I live, I die, I live again is also kind of his other signature phrase from the movie.
Starting point is 00:55:08 I think that also, I just, I think my favorite line from the movie that is not one of the bigger ones, I guess the subversive pick would be when they're rolling into where the green place is supposed to be and there's like the naked woman on the or like thing and he's just like, mm-mm, that's bait.
Starting point is 00:55:28 That is a good line. I kind of wish Max was more like that in the movie. I wish it was a little bit more joky. There's one very fun sort of interaction between Nux and Slit 2 when they're driving and they first see a Morton Joe and Nuck says he looked at me. He looked right at. me and Slit says he looked at your blood bag
Starting point is 00:55:48 and Nuck says he turned his head. He looked me straight in the eye and Slid says he was scanning the horizon and then Nuck says no I am awaited I am awaited in Valhalla and it's a really good way to kind of show us this weird obsessive cult that Immorten Joe has created
Starting point is 00:56:04 like it's actually good weird good character building for a monstrous war boy I don't know Nicholas Holtz very good in this movie. The one other line that I thought I threw out there which is not really like an Aaron Sorkin Dialogue line but is really good is that moment when they've got four bullets left in the rifle and he
Starting point is 00:56:20 shoots off a couple and then she takes it and uses his shoulder as a balance and then she's like, don't breathe. Yeah. I love the look he kind of gives back and he's just like all right, you know. I was going to say then who killed the world is also just
Starting point is 00:56:36 a great hammer line and really underlines the theme of the entire film really, which is hey dudes you fucking up. There are actually a lot of those. Furios also says out here, everything hurts. You know, there's a few, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:56:52 apocalyptic lines, I guess. Let's pick some Nits. I literally wrote down, did Immort and Joe have a point? And I think you might have already raised that, Chris, as a joke. I also raised as Tom Hardy's voice completely dubbed in this movie. I think completely is harsh. But yeah, certainly many times. It's like the equivalent of, remember back when, like,
Starting point is 00:57:15 you would make tapes off of the radio, but if you were out of tapes, you would just tape over stuff. And then it would just kind of be like, like, wha-w-w-wr-w-wr-w-w-w. Like, this is like, the loss you would get on your mixtapes,
Starting point is 00:57:26 that's like the way they recorded his voiceover. I don't even know what you're talking about. No, but yeah, I mean, like, there's, the, when he says, that's my head at the beginning
Starting point is 00:57:38 when he's, when they shoot the harpoon past him, when he's on the hood of the car, that's somebody else's voice. Like, when, They're going back towards the Citadel and he sees his car, Slip driving his car, and he's just like, that's mine.
Starting point is 00:57:51 That's somebody else's voice. There's just so many ways you could just pick out. Like, that's dubbed. Yeah. If the Green Place were real, why would more people not know about it? It's great. They don't have podcasts. They didn't have the Immorten Joe Biden podcast.
Starting point is 00:58:06 You know, they don't, it's no smartphones, yeah? Damn, you don't even know what tomorrow's weather is going to be like, do you? It does seem like, so we're supposed to think that this is essentially the outback, right? Yeah, sure. And there's like a, like a thousand people, right? Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Okay. Yeah. Like, so the information would, there wouldn't be a lot of stuff going on in terms of like information sharing. Honestly, I don't know. Maybe everybody was also like super into Spotify. She's like, it's a hard night's drive to get there.
Starting point is 00:58:36 That seems like something that somebody would have scouted out. And they're like, actually there's not there anymore. I agree. Yeah. I agree. There's just not enough people that, you know, it's maybe not that useful to explore the depths of the narrative
Starting point is 00:58:48 story arc of this movie but it occurred to me that if there actually was a place to go where there was salvation people would try to go there it would get around probably unanswerable questions will there be a sequel there was supposed to be a sequel and then and people talked about it
Starting point is 00:59:03 I believe Charlize and Tom Hardy are both signed up for it George Miller signed up for it George Miller was in litigation with Warner Brothers over a undisclosed sum of money I don't think it's going to happen George Miller's 73 years old now. Maybe it will.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Do you want one? I would love one. I would absolutely love a sequel to this movie. IP lives forever. Would you let somebody else direct it if it came to that? I mean, I don't think we have any choice but to let someone else direct it. I think that will happen whether we want it to or not. Yeah, but would you, if George Miller, like, let's say it happens in like eight years.
Starting point is 00:59:37 It can't possibly be as good. It just can't. Who do you want to make it? It depends because up until Fury Road, the first three movies didn't have the frenetic pace and the frenetic editing style. So you could say like, you know, somebody like Michaud could try it
Starting point is 01:00:03 or somebody like Jeremy Solnier could try it or somebody like David McKenzie could try it or there's all sorts of people who could give it a shot. Michelle McLaren could make it. But now I don't know how you speak in this cinematic language. other than unless you're George Miller. I don't know how you make something that's like frame rate, quick cutting, practical effects, shits exploding, all this stuff.
Starting point is 01:00:25 And obviously is a guy who is like Martin or Tolkien, which is like he's been thinking about the mythology and the history of this world for most of his adult life. I mean, his first feature film was Mad Max. So it's like this is, he began with this. Yeah. One more unanswerable question, probably. Did Tom Hardy's character leave the Citadel?
Starting point is 01:00:46 Because we see him shrinking away at the end of the movie into the crowd. But is that in an effort to become anonymous again? Is that in an effort to go find something else, somewhere else, that we have never seen or heard about? Um, I don't know. I mean, like, I guess it's kind of he's never really gotten over that weird tragic hero thing of everything that is attached to me dies. So I guess I mean
Starting point is 01:01:13 I would assume that he's leaving Just to go wander the wasteland again But yeah I think he's Ethan from the searchers I just don't think he's right for society I think it's like I have to go find my next adventure I can't just like sit here and farm with you guys And yeah like the normal sea of life I don't think he's capable of
Starting point is 01:01:31 It's more of a bullet farmer you might say Yeah One one thing I want to just get your thoughts on Is what do you guys think is the best action movie Of the decade? I have a couple of nominations for you guys I'll just throw them out there and you guys vote. Sure.
Starting point is 01:01:44 Okay, so we've got Fury Road, edge of tomorrow. Good one. Good one. John Wick. Okay. And the raid movies. Yeah, I'm going to...
Starting point is 01:01:53 Shit. Okay. I recently rewatched the first raid movie and had forgotten really what a non-stop adrenaline rush that freaking movie is. I mean, like, it's brutal. Yeah, brutal movie. And also, like, a... A brilliant take on the ana-basis kind of, like, structure where it's like now you're behind enemy lines in a building. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:22 Unbelievable. I just, I agree with all this. I think the problem with the raid movies is that, like, the purity level might be high for anybody who's not, like, a real, like, expert addicts to this stuff. Yeah. It's just, like, you might not, it's not a party drug. And in some ways, the first WIC movie is like that, too, in terms of, like, you know. in terms of like you gotta really have an appetite for guys getting shot close range in the face
Starting point is 01:02:45 and that, yeah, for that. My vote would be WIC, but I'll throw a couple more ideas at you. One, the Rogue Nation fallout diptitch, which I think is pretty effective as action movies go. The other one, maybe Skyfall. Wow, interesting. Some pretty great action sequences.
Starting point is 01:03:02 There are great action sequences, but I mean, like, by and large, that's lifestyle porn and Javier Bardem doing that really long take is the thing that I remember most I would be interested to see a poll
Starting point is 01:03:15 of this versus WIC maybe we'll drop that on social media I think the Raid movies is like what WIC wants to be even the WIC is incredible I agree with you
Starting point is 01:03:22 secretly but you know you and I don't like to talk about who won the movie last category Jason Charlize
Starting point is 01:03:32 I agree is there another answer that isn't Charlize I mean it's potentially it's George Miller it's the the caper on
Starting point is 01:03:40 a fascinating career. I don't think it's Tom Hardy. I don't think it's Rick Disirectus, though shout out to Nathan Jones for wonderful performance. I don't think it's the Duf Warrior. I don't think it's Riley Keio or Zoe Kravitz
Starting point is 01:03:54 or Abby Lee or Rosie Huntington Whiteley or any of the other, maybe the bullet farmer? No? It's Charlize. It's Charlize. Okay, Charlize their own. Guys, this is great.
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