The Rewatchables - 'Marathon Man' With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan have one question for you: Is it safe? The guys sit down in the dentist chair to revisit the 1976 crime thriller ‘Marathon Man,’ starring Dustin Hoffman, Laurence Olivier, and Roy Scheider. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Jack Sanders, and Ronak Nair This episode is sponsored by State Farm®. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.® Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Pops on the big picture from time to time as well. I do. About nine other ringer podcasts. I honestly am keeping it to the big three right now. But I'm always open. It's really special, maybe for the draft? Perhaps. We'll see who we get at three.

Who you root for? Trade down for Edgecombe. Oh. Get another piece? There you go. It's still New York City Month. It kind of just fell into New York City Month. I saw you did that.

Five episodes. In June, though, we have to find two more New York movies after this. Twist my arm. Marathon Man was an easy one. We've been circling this one for a while. You kept nudging me. I've been begging to get in the dentist chair. I forgot to bring the book.

I was going to put the book right out there. But anyway, Marathon Man is next. Dustin Hoffman, Lawrence Olivier, Roy Scheider, William Devane, Marta Keller. Is it safe? Is it safe? Marathon Man, a thriller, rated R. This episode of The R-watchables is presented to you by Amazon Prime.

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We're just never going to top it. There's nothing better. If you have a chance to get a vice angler in the movie, you got to do it, man. It's just, you know, you can have all these different types of villains. You can make them as evil as you want. You can make them as intimidating, as tough as you want. But then you throw in Nazi war criminal walking through the jewelry district, hoping nobody recognizes him. And I'm like, we've peaked.

Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking about the, basically, Pauline Kiel called this a Jewish revenge fantasy marathon, man. but I was thinking about what's what's like the top of the line for that and glorious bastards is probably number one right? That would be the apex, yeah. Marathon man's in there.

Munich? For sure. Raiders? Well, he's not Jewish, but yeah. But the Nazis are the villains in there? Yeah, I mean, are you talking about just Nazi villains? Yes. Some, just being somewhere in the vicinity

where at some point you're watching the movie going we've got to take these guys down. Yeah, yeah. And this one has probably the single best villain of all those villains Which is weird Because he barely

Or would you go with Waltz and bastards It's tough It's tough I think Christian Zell Because of what He's got one move And that move is pretty

Pretty arresting The dental work thing is like You take that Oh I thought you were gonna say The I suddenly have a razor Coming out of my sleeve Yeah So he's got two moves

But Walts in Landa is pretty pretty amazing and such an orator and just an incredible like character in general but zell better entrance zell although zel's entrance with the opera with him folding the shirts shaving his head yeah pretty solid yeah but waltz's first scene is pretty great yes i don't know they're in the finals pyramid we'll work on social nazi villain mount rushmore i want to find out who's uh the number 35 to 43 ranked Nazi villains. You know, it's funny,

we can't have them anymore. Because now it's that you couldn't do this in the modern age because it's been too far away. They're making a push. You need like grandchildren of the war villains. It just doesn't have the same, in my opinion, the same kind of zest. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that I think

when you're watching this film. We talked about this I think on a pod recently and I can't remember which one it was. But it's crazy to watch this movie that's 40 years old. and they're so much closer to World War II now in this movie than we are even to this movie now. I know. And so it's a very living, breathing thing.

And the idea that this guy has come out of hiding and his actual victims are like, holy fucking shit, the devil has come back is like one of the most terrifying, arresting moments in movie history. And everything Olivier does with the character, and I can't wait to talk about Olivier. About Larry.

Yeah, Sir Larry just, I think what's so great about the character is he's fully evil. Yeah. The torture scene, you can just see it. You're like, okay, I get it. I get that this guy is as dark as we can get as humans. But then when he's, there's a couple, like, he's getting off in the airport. He's in the jewelry district, and he's got the right level of, like, I'm actually nervous for my own safety. Yeah.

You don't see, like, vulnerable evil villains. that often. He balances it perfectly. I think it was a case of the filmmakers playing into the realities of the actor. So, Olivier is sick while making this movie. He's old. He can't do a lot of physical stuff.

He can't do a lot of stunts. He can't move around that much. But then every move he makes and everything he does takes on this huge amount of importance. So they like played to his remaining strengths in the film itself. And the dentistry scene, which is one of the most horrifying things in

movie history is actually doesn't require a lot of him, right? Like, he's just sort of like pacing around this room a little bit and asking this question over and over and over again. One of the greats. Yeah. Sir Larry. Yeah. Yeah, because you think, by all accounts, one of the greatest stage actors who ever lived.

I don't know if he's one, two, three, where he ranks in the pyramid. It's like him and Barrymore. I mean, of the modernist. He has to be mentioned if you're just being like, hey, who are the great stage actress? He always has to be mentioned. Yeah. But part of, I think, what made him great when he's,

He's playing like Richard Third, things like that, is he's got this physical presence walking around the stage. So by the time we get to Marathon Man, you know, and there's been some unbelievable writing about this movie. Goldman has a whole chapter about it in his book about how physically frail he was and how hard it was for him to stand. But he's still an imposing guy. Yeah.

So he's just the perfect balance of old, frail, scary. I actually still believe like he could kill Hoffman. Sure. And it's just an awesome performance, which of course he does not win. But he was inspired. His character in this movie is The White Angel, but it was inspired by Mengle, who is the Angel of Death. And it was the same thing. In the concentration camps, he would just see him with the white, they would see him with the white hair and they just knew.

So it's based on that. Yeah, Goldman's idea, so this is based, Goldman wrote the screenplay based on his own novel. And his, I think the genesis for the novel was, What if Mangley had to come out of hiding or go to New York to get medical treatment? Right. Or to get, yeah, to get some sort of something. What happens when you put a character like that in play, a person like that in play? And then he builds out the world from around that.

So he writes the book. He publishes it in 74. That's less than 30 years after World War II months. Still pretty fresh. Like think about it now. In 2025, that's 95. So that's like basically the OJ trial. Yeah.

Which doesn't seem like it happens. happened that long ago, right? Even though it did, even though, like, Craig, you know, was born that year. Would it love to hear Christian Zell's takes on the OJ trial. He probably would have been able to get a better confession out of OJ. Goldman writes the book, knowing it's going to be a movie, because it just reads perfectly as a movie, sells the film rights for 500K.

Bringing in our guy, Big Shot, Bob, Robert Evans. Allie McGraw, the kind of legs that can stop a room. It's a wonderful picture. there's a making of this is I was going to save this for what's age the best but there is a making of Marathon Man on YouTube I can't believe I missed this. 20 minutes. I think it's also on the 4K.

It's Robert Evans his foot's up on the chair. He's got a navy v-nex sweater and a perfectly like starched white shirt underneath and he's standing there with his glasses and he's just like, ever since I came to Paramount, we love to make incredible pictures

for everybody's entertainment. You'll see in the waterworks. We recreated that in Paramountains, they had no expense. Took up two sound stages. I can hear him saying it. And the entire wall behind him is just pictures of Robert Evans. Yeah. He was like a parody of a parody of a parody.

Yeah. Patton Oswald did the greatest ever Robert Evans impersonation, but it's actually beyond impersonation. If you watch this video, I wish producers still did this today. I just think the 70s weren't just the apex of unintentional. comedy. I don't think we'll ever even come 10% close ever again. No, the combination of cocaine and everything else is just incredible. You know, and it would manifest itself in some ways, like basically everything Tully Savalas did as Cojak.

The Battle of Network stars the first couple years. Just there's a lack of self-awareness all over the place. But Bob Evans was the ultimate producer for that. It would be no self-awareness. It would be fucking incredible, though, if we did the backdrop for you is just a hundred pictures of you. I think LeBron might have done that for buying the game. They might have talked them out of it. Bob Evans said the book reads like the movie,

movie of all time. I regard it as a cheap investment because you don't often find books that translate into film. This is the best thing I've read since the Godfather. I knew I never should have let Ali McGraw leave with Steve McQueen. I knew I'd never get a back. That's son of a bitch, peck and paw.

Two months with Steve. McQueen, even I would have folded. So anyway, we have Bill Goldman, Bob Evans, and then they're like, let's just get a bunch of awesome, famous actors. And not to step on casting what-ifs, but they went, Bob Evans said they actually went five for five with the people they wanted for the movie

in the roles they wanted and just got all of them because everybody loved the script. Yeah, there was some rumors about if this person said, no, we might look at this person, or like John Schlesinger or the director might have wanted this person. but it sounds like Evans got his first draft picks. Dustin Hoffman, Larry Olivier. I like that they call him Larry.

I can't wait to talk about my Lawrence Olivier deep dive in the Indian airport on Saturday. William Devane. Wait, so you did Olivier into Dylan Harper tape? Yeah. I'd finish my Marathon Man research and then went right into four hours of YouTube. And our guy, Rushider.

Yeah. Big time for a mid-70s. The Humphrey Bogot of the 1970s. Love that guy. The Thinking Man's action star. Still recovering from Sean saying he wasn't handsome. Remember Sean's whole thing? I mean, he's not conventionally handsome.

He's got that nose. Sean just downed him. Poor Wright Shatter can't even defend himself. Just not handsome enough for Sean. Hoffman's the lead. He's coming off Lenny. This comes out same year as all the president's men. He loses 15 pounds, runs four miles a day.

And Evan said Hoffman would, quote, would run just for a take. He would run for a half mile. So he came into the scene and he would actually be out of breath. This was the height of Dustin Hoffman difficult method actor guy. Sure. Yeah.

And he pressed Olivier with it. He did. So hold that because I want to get into some of those stories because we had to Olivia too. This leads to all the president's been Marathon Man. The straight time in 78,

you like that movie? I do. Agatha. Kramer, versus Kramer. That's 79, right? We covered that on the rewatchables.

That's my favorite Dustin Hoffman movie and performance. Three years off, Tootsie, three years off, Death of a Salesman on TV, two years off,

Ishtar. He's doing a lot of stage stuff. Have we ever really had Dustin Hoffman, how much did you like him, conversation? We haven't. He's probably of that cohort

of 70s actors, 70s associated actors. I would say not necessarily, like I go down to like Duval, you know, like Paspecino De Niro, Duval, Hackman, you know, like I get pretty far down the 70s before I'm like Hoffman's great. I mean, I think you can see like,

it's an interesting point in his career because he can impose his creative choices on the material rather than the reverse. Yeah. So if you read the book, Babe is much chatier, much more, much funnier, and is like kind of this like nervous, but is all supposed to be like six foot one

and kind of like a cut out a piece of rock, like a pretty big athlete. And Hoffman makes him into a much more damaged, much more nervous, much shire kind of character, I think. And that was obviously his choice. The other side would have been pretty interesting. It's a different kind of movie. It's a different kind of movie.

It's like a little bit more playful. And I'd say the novel is more. playful. It's weird. I'm with you. Like, I could list a whole bunch of 70s actors and 80s actors before I'm like, and then Hoffman. You don't have a lot of conversations with people that are like, my favorite actor is Dustin Hoffman. That's my guy. I ride with Hoffman. But everybody agrees he's really good. He's almost like an athlete where you're like, yeah, I really respect him, but not a huge fan. Do you think maybe some of his films, like, I mean, all the president's men is like, basically 50-50 him in Redford anyway, right?

And he's awesome. He's incredible in it. But it's almost like he needs someone to play off of. And it really depends on who he's playing off of is kind of where it goes. Yeah, you wouldn't want to see him in the Revenant. No, I would not. Just climb me into a bear naked. I feel like that's the second Revenant.

I wouldn't want to. It might have been scouting a little bit. You wouldn't want to see him in the Martian. You wouldn't want to spend two hours with him and Mars by himself. I wouldn't want to be on cast-ewe. way with Dustin Hoffman. I wouldn't really want to be in a buddy cop movie with Dustin Hoffman. No.

I think there are particular things that he's really good at, but I always feel like he's Dustin Hoffman in the movie. Don't he's not one of those people who gets lost in a role? Hackman, I feel like because we get horny hacks. That's true. We get Hoosiers hacks. I feel like he has different moves. But like the Kramer versus Kramer guy versus this guy, are they like that different?

They're all cerebral. I think they all have like a certain nervous energy. Yeah, cerebral nervous, a little bit, a little bit damaged. He's also an incredibly unconventional looking guy. You know what I mean? And tiny. Yeah.

So it's a lot of these 70s stars, with the exception of Redford, and I guess Beatty, but even Beatty was kind of a weirdo, like have a really, really, really particular energy. It was a moment where guys who maybe in other times in Hollywood history would have been character actors or become the biggest movie stars in the world.

Well, one of the all step, on casting what ifs. One of the reasons he took the movie was because he heard Pacino wanted to do it. And I think Pacino and Hoffman were on each other's corner in a bunch of different ways. Hoffman was up for Michael, wasn't he? I just feel like you had like the Redford side of like leading men guys over here and Newman and McQueen. And then you had kind of the Hoffman, Pacino, maybe De Niro a little bit, but the little artsyer actor guys. And I think Hoffman and Pacino, Pacino did a better job. of stretching parts and kind of falling into characters

and losing himself from characters. I feel like in some movie, to me at least, Pacino's cooler. Like, he can be cool. Right. Hoffman rarely is. But it all worked out for him because he became, you know, he's definitely in the first sentence

with all those guys. Yeah. But I just think he was, I always felt like he was a little more limited than some of those other guys. Like, I don't think he could have been Tony Montana, you know. That would have been a really funny movie.

I don't know if I would have wanted to see him in Dog Day Afternoon. Yeah. I don't know if I would have believed him as Serpico. I don't think he would have been fun as Vincent Hanna. The closest he gets to that is straight time. It's straight time. Which I think is a really interesting movie. I wish he had made like three more zags.

I guess Lenny is a zag, but that's a pretty, that's a pretty dated movie. And then Lenny is the movie. Lenny is not a fun hang. In all that jazz, that's what Bob Fosse is editing. So when he keeps looking at the stand-up footage, it's supposed to be Lenny. Even if he'd been the Shider part and all that jazz, that would have been really fun. If he had been the lead in Jaws. Yeah.

I don't know. It just seems like he was very particular about the parts he took, but this is like a classic Dustin Hoffman part. Yes. Right? Yeah. It's perfect. He gets to be the hero. He's a little damage.

Yeah. He gets to stutter into. He gets to have that energy. It's full sentence. He jogged. He lost 15 pounds. He probably like wore prosthetic, fucked up teeth after the dental scene.

He immerses himself in it. Craig, you have Dustin Hoffman thoughts? I just, I think that I can't tell the reasons why there's not a lot of Dustin Hoffman's now is just because we need people

who fit into more traditional buckets like, you know, action star or a comedy guy or also, or if it's more just that the movies he was in aren't as popular now and don't get made now,

which is why people like him aren't as famous. I don't know which one is. It's kind of what we're talking about with Beatty, you know, when we were like, how come Beatty's movies

how come Beatty doesn't, like, I don't feel like his name has the instant recognition or the associations that Redford does. Because there is no Hoffman comp right now. Like, I don't know who I would pick because the movies that Hoffman is starring in that made a lot of money back in the day that made him famous aren't making a lot of money today. They're still being made. The closest thing I can think of is Jesse Eisenberg, but he's not as intense as Hoffman by any stretch of the imagination.

Yeah, that's a good one. Like, Kieran Colkin honestly has some qualities, but like if you put the two of them together, maybe it's like Hoffman, but I don't know. Well, by all accounts, pretty polarizing as a hang. Yeah. In some of these sets and some of the movies. And Goldman was not a fan. He was not.

And Goldman was not shy about a couple of the actors that he didn't like. Well, Hoffman was apparently a big part of why the ending of the movie got changed and they brought in Robert Town. Yeah. Hold on. I still have a part for that. We got to hit Olivier really fast. Okay. I think one of the great 20th century actors.

Yeah. He clinched that one. He won an Oscar and two honorary Oscars. He went for Hamlin in 1949. He won five primetime Emmys. He was knighted in 1947. Yeah. They said that the two greatest things you could have seen him in

were Othello and Richard the third. Goldman wrote, if he could have seen two performances when he was younger, one of them would have been Othello. There's that awesome anecdote in Adventures in the screen trade where Olivier keeps referencing the last time he's been in New York and he references like these years

and Goldman's like I realize that like he's calling it 51 but that's actually like when he was doing glass menagerie or whatever. Right. And he's like holy shit. He'll be like Tom Brady listing off Super Bowl locations. Yeah, he's like oh yeah, I've been in Indianapolis before. Yeah, I was in New Orleans. So anyway, by the time we hit the

70s he's, he thinks he's dying of cancer, takes the role. to make more money for his family to leave some stuff behind and he's on pain meds all the time. Rob Re Evans had to get Lloyd's of London to insure him. One of the great shoes

of the entire world. Yeah, he had to talk to Lloyd himself. And he does the movie and then recovers and then has this really weird IMDB stretch afterwards where he's in a bunch of TV movies. He's in a bridge too far.

He's in the boys from Brazil. He's in a little romance, which is a really good movie. is Diane Lane's first movie. He's in Dracula. He's in the jazz singer with Neil Diamond, which is one of the worst movies of the early 80s. He's in Clash of the Titans in 81 as Zeus.

So all of a sudden, he's grabbing some paychecks near the end there. But, I mean, the reverence that everyone talks about acting with him, I don't know who that is now. Where it's like Olivier's in our movie. This is, I'm psyched out. It would be Daniel D. Lewis, probably. Like 15 years from now.

Yeah, if DDL came back and was like, you know what, I'll make a couple of, I'll just make like five more movies. Yeah, I'll play Zell. Pat out the checking account. Oh my God, that's DDL. Devane,

Goldman had this thing. I'm just going to read it. I cornered, he's talked about they broke from a scene. I cornered DeVane, who was bright and very articulate. I told him how wonderfully he had done and asked what it was like rehearsing

with Lawrence Livia. It doesn't matter, DeVane replied. I didn't know it in how he was talking about and said so. This is rehearsal. DeVane said it's nothing. When the camera starts to roll,

he'll give me a little of this, he'll give me a little of that, and you'll never know I'm in the movie. No one's going to be watching me. That's Olivier, man. That's how everyone thought about him, except for Hoffman. He's like, finally improvise, Larry.

Let's go. Hoffman's like Anthony Edwards. He's like, I don't care. Well, so that Goldman tells this long story of him making Olivier rehearse Hoffman and making him stand. And it was clear to everyone that said that Olivia was starting.

to really fade and improvise. And everyone thought it was like this power play. And then Hoffman said after the story wasn't true, I'm going to go with my guy Goldman. Yeah. Because he doesn't make shit up. But this leads to, I'm going to put this category right here.

The Stephen Seagall shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. It goes to Lawrence Olivier. His portrayal is Henry V. So the story, was method acting thing and Hoffman was up. This is the story. I'm not saying it's true.

Hoffman said he was up three days to try to simulate what it would be like to be up for three days. And he's telling Olivia about this. And Hoffman had, he was just rubbing Olivia the wrong way. And Olivia finally said about method acting. My dear boy, why don't you just try acting? Yeah. And everyone that said was like, oh, it was like just a,

huge cut down. And this became a legendary Hollywood story. It's gotten told in 13 different ways by everybody who was like a part of it, from Goldman to Hoffman, Schlesinger, like, everybody has got their version of how it happened. Whether he was joking,

whether he was serious. Hoffman's version is he had been going to Studio 54 a lot and that he had been partying a lot. And the problem is Studio 54 wasn't open until the year after. So that's where his story falls apart. because it opened in 1977 year after the movie came out.

You got Johnny Cochran over here. Sorry, sorry, Dusty. He said on inside the actor's studio, the exchange was distorted and he had been up all night at a nightclub and Olivia was merely joking. Yeah. It's too famous of a story. I also don't think there's a lot of people

like protecting Dustin Hoffman at this point because he seems a little prickly. Yeah. So he also said Hoffman on the last day of shooting, Olivia visited him. He brought him a book, The Complete Works of William Shakespeare, and then proceeded to read scenes

from several of the plays for Hoffman, and Hoffman said he was an absolute delight. They loved each other. And then he said Goldman made up this stuff or exaggerated it because he was mad because they changed the ending. Yeah. Again, I'm going to go with Goldman.

Yeah. It's incredible. we don't really have enough of this anymore where I think for like several decades, Hoffman and Goldman were essentially like trash talking each other whenever they would be asked to talk about Marathon Man. Yeah. And simultaneously he was also trash talking with Redford.

Yes. And then Redford came up with this whole alternate version of how all the president's men allegedly happened. Exactly. Yeah. So they neither, I mean, that's the most famous movie book anyone's ever written. Yeah.

first one, and both of those guys really resented it. Sure. And I mean, for Goldman, it's his novel. It's his screenplay. And then the star has his ending rewritten by arguably the only screenwriter who's bigger than him, Robert Town. So who do you believe? I like Goldman's version

better. And I could... I still think he would make it up. He was like a very prideful guy. He remembers everything. And I think he's also pretty like honest about his shortcomings and the times he's fucked up. Right. He's very self-deprecating and he's the first one to criticize himself. So in this case, they changed the ending

and we'll get in all this stuff they changed. I can't remember which one in Adventures in the Screen Trade where he's like, I screwed, like, was it right stuff where he's just like, I just didn't do this well? Yeah. And then they completely like saved it. So he's honest about his failures. Yeah, no question. I mean, he went

until like huge writing slumps and all kinds of things. Yeah. Listen, it was the 70s and these guys had huge egos and they get studios or kowt out to them and all them took advantage of it. And that was it.

But I'm team Olivier and team Goldman. So Olivier was nominated for Best Supporting Actor. He did not win. But it's quite a category. Robards wins for all the President's men. Ned Beatty Network.

Burgess Meredith Rocky. Bert Young. Rocky as Polly Pinino. And then Olivier. I'm good with Robards. Stacked category. Robarts is amazing in the movie. You're good with that, right?

Yeah, Bady, I think Bady's, like, in third there, behind Olivier. And then Hoffman did not get nominated. But he did for presidents? No. Oh. Nothing. $6.5 million budget made $28.2 million. And we should have mentioned this sooner.

The kind of movie that just doesn't exist anymore. No, this would be a prestige TV show. By far. Or it would be like an Apple movie that they hired two huge stars for it had a huge budget but it was almost too big.

I mean, if you made this movie today, you just, nobody would. I was just thinking about all the scenes that are outdoors in Paris and New York City. Like, I don't even know how much that would cost. Like, they shoot on the street in New York. There are scenes where it's like, they must have had different rules

about extras back then because people are like looking at the camera, you know. So it's obviously they're just running around these cities handheld with Hoffman and Scheider. Yeah, they just seem there like in the Jewelry District with 500 people. Yeah. I don't know how they do it. It's incredible. Yeah, so it would probably be, you read probably a scripted. But it's also a perfect 70s movie in a lot of ways.

It's certainly like the place where our interests converge. It is a political conspiracy thriller meets a revenge thriller. So it's about like all this like this pent up historical anxiety, the Jewish factor, the Nazis, but it's also about a guy who's been living inside of his brain for a long time who's forced to like step out and become a physical force and defend himself, which is basically what a lot of like, we talked about it with Death Wish, but a lot of the revenge movies and Hoffman's made other movies like that with Straw Dogs and stuff. Yeah, and we should, I should have said this sooner too, but the the paranoia piece of it is. It's just so specific to this era, and it's so good. It's like, so on my wheelhouse. There's something about the vibes of these movies where it's just like, don't trust anyone ever.

Everything is shadowy. At night, there's never people around. It's always dark. You just never know who's coming around a corner. There's always could be like some sort of henchmen, even in a park. Yeah. Just some henchmen could just mug you and you know what their intentions are. Yeah, they make the everyday seem surreal.

Like, you can shoot. at the Library of Congress and all the President's men or you can shoot somebody's apartment in Harlem and Marathon Man and make it seem like this German expressionist kind of setting where you know like the entire world is pushing down

on these characters. It's honestly one of my favorite kinds of movies is these 70s thrillers. Yeah, we've talked about it. It's a specific era. It's coming out of Watergate. It's coming out of Vietnam. It's coming out of the JFK assassination

and the RFK assassination, the MLK assassination. and just people not knowing what to believe anymore and who were the good guys, who were the bad guys. And you could see a movie like this where you could feel like you could be babe. You're just studying for some exam or something. Your dissertation, yeah.

You're in your bathtub, and then all of a sudden somebody's breaking down your door and trying to get you. Isn't it an interesting turnover where, because we did Star Wars, and I think the thrill of Star Wars is every kid who watches it can say to themselves, like, what if I was Luke Skywalker?

Like, what if I saved the galaxy? And I was this special person. But the thrill of these movies is like, what if every dark fantasy I had is true and everybody is out to get me? Yeah. And the government is following me. And I mean, it's just such a weird changeover in the seven, in just one decade, they change over to like, no, no, no. Like, what if the galaxy are like, you could fix it all. Yeah.

And then it moves into the 80s. And everybody's like, you know, it'd be cool being rich. Here's a movie about that. Hey, here's another movie. You know what if an alien came? He might be friendly. Yeah. Yeah.

6.5 million budget, 28.2 million makes it, and Ebert goes three stars. He said, if holes and plots bother you, Marathon Man will be maddening, but as well-crafted, escapist entertainment,

as a diabolical thrower. The movie works with relentless skill. I'm going to give this... It's like a half-fucky rush. Yeah. I think he robbed it of a half-star. Should we start giving stars to Iberth star? I was just about to say that.

We have to review... Because I think this is a two-star review for a three-star movie that we actually think is four stars. Listen, if he wanted to say three and a half because there's a couple plot holes, I would have been upset about it. But if this movie came out now, we would be like, oh, my God. I know. They figured it out. Movies are back. And this was just like another movie in 1976.

That was really good. But we were just cranking these out 10, 12 a year. Yeah. And even when they didn't work, it was like Black Sunday. which is like a really cool movie that doesn't totally work, but it's still fun to watch. Ebert says something earlier in his review

that paraphrasing is just like on a moment to moment, it only matters, thrillers only, it only matters if a thriller is believable on a moment to moment basis. Like on any thriller, you can step back and be like,

what the fuck is vertigo about? Like, come on. And you can do that with this movie, but when that music comes in, the Michael Small music comes in, and the shadows and the weird moments and, just like everybody kind of milling around

and you don't know who's a spy and who's not. It's just like, who cares about the plot? It's so funny when you read the reviews, especially Pauline Hill. No, she hated this. Yeah, everybody's expectations were so high for every movie. It's hilarious.

Ebert's just like, eh, didn't quite get there. Like Lawrence Libby playing an evil Nazis. Like, I don't know. Three stars. Solid. Let's take a break. And then we'll do the kids.

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We got to start with the crazy car chase accident. Old man road rage. Yeah. Old Man Road Rage. This also wins the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinac Partridge Overacting Award for both drivers. Hey, fuck you! I have a different winner for Ruffalo, but yeah. It's for me, it wins it.

It just goes on and on. It's very 70s. I think this would be a much more exciting car accident 50 years later for filming it. But very fun to watch. The drive into the oil truck is a little like... It's a little naked gunnish. You guys got to broke. Yeah.

It's a little naked gunner. The hotel fight scene. Just all of the dock stuff in Paris. Roy Shider. Looking like a bag of leather, you know? What's your move when somebody comes around with you with the piano wire? I mean, he's only one move. You just got to do this right away, right?

You got to. Because if you fuck that up, you're just immediately done. Yeah, you're dead. So you got to do this. But then what's the second move? Elbow? I hope I never have to find out what my second. Yeah.

I'd probably go headbut. So up, headbutt. Maybe like lifting the leg, try to kick in the balls. Yeah. Yeah. You see the piano wire. I think the single most underrated

movie. And then I turn out, like, stop! Did you hear Devers got treated? To the Giants. It just happened. His war was a little low this year. I think piano wire

is the single most terrifying thing. Next to dental equipment, yeah. Well, I'm saying, like, when the bad guy, guys come in, they could do numchucks. Like, we've seen every sort of device. It does seem like...

You don't know. Because you're getting hurt, even if you're stopping it. You're still getting like eight stitches in your hand. The way his blood is... It's kind of fucking hurting. Oh, my God. You're just slicing tendons. I also love the old guy in the balcony across. Yeah, the watcher guy? Yeah. So, these are two scenes together,

but I'm putting them together. They're both for shatter. Doc drops in on Babe, and then Doc goes to lunch with Babe and Elsa. Love the lunch scene. When he drops in on Hoffman, it becomes a play for like four minutes. And it's just crackling dialogue.

It's just really good. Two good actors, sizing each other up, throwing some pitches at each other. It's really good stuff. Also, you just learn so much about them from Doc's reaction to babe writing about their dad. Just like, I don't want to see this shit. You know, like, you learn everything you need to know about those guys.

And then with Elsa, he's like, Just roper-dopes her. And then he goes, I've made all this up. There is no verbia. There is no Mount Rosse. There's no Claude Lissure. She's like, what? Pretty fun.

Fun roper-doch trick. All right. Doc goes to see Zell and then Babe and gets stabbed to death and then shows up all bloody. Yeah. We get a good Hoffman scream. Here we go.

Hoffman and the bathtub right into the torture scene. I think this is most rewatchable for me. Yeah. I mean, it's a tough watch. Him and the bathtub is about as good as it gets for what would I do if I was in this situation. Try to crawl out the window. Everyone's fear of just being naked if you're about to be murdered.

Just be like, I just got to get some pajamas on before you kill me. Hold on one second with the piano wire. Just give me one minute here. Just got to get some pants on. Yeah. But then the way they're screwing the door frame, that's like, all right. And then the window's not big enough to get out of. and then we get right into the

Olivia. Is it safe? Yeah. Is it safe? Yes, it's safe. It's very safe. So safe you wouldn't believe it. Is it safe?

I think that's another good, scary movie device when somebody's just saying this incoherent sentence over and over again that you don't have an answer for. So Craig, yo,

did you, had you heard of, is it safe before you saw this movie? No. What did you think? of this scene. I thought it was incredible. Yeah.

I thought the, I agree. I think the bathtub scene is one of the scarier, most suspenseful scenes I've seen in a long time. And for how, this movie's very quiet in a lot of moments, and it's terrifying. Also, I think just, I just, nobody lays in baths anymore.

No. Nobody just ruminates. I'm the only one. Nobody ruminates in a bath anymore. What are you talking about? I invented baths. They even have them before I started taking it. 19th century prostitutes didn't invent baths.

No, I invented him. Bass were out before I started taking them. You still take baths? I do. Wow. It's good for my lower back. Oh, yeah. That's good.

No, I still read there. Okay. Used to read books. I would bring the iPad in there and read that. Retweets? Yeah, just going through Twitter. X. Did Elon do anything today?

Whoa! Crazy one, Elon! Yeah, is it safe? I love scenes and movies where you're watching going. And, you know, Tarantino, I think very smartly, some of the stuff that he kind of... Some of his, like, torture stuff? Some of the stuff he borrowed from the 70s as homages or just things that he liked. And one of the things that he was really good at is the...

I don't know where this scene is going, but I know I should be scared. Yeah. And I have a charismatic somebody who's up to something. Michael Madsen dancing with the razor blade. Exactly. That's basically a marathon, right? And you're just like, what? So in this, it's like, why?

he keep asking, he said, safe? What the fuck is this guy up to? Yeah. It's almost like, I don't even know if like after the first 10 or 15 times I saw this movie, if I even thought about like what he was actually asking. Because, you know, it's basically like, am I going to get robbed at the bank? Yeah. But you're just like, this is such an existential almost like unanswerable question. Yeah. And this is the moment where this is why you get Hoffman. It's like for every scene where you may be like, all right, Dustin, you're dialing it up a little bit or like, you don't have to run Larry. in circles here. This is the scene where he is

as scared as any normal person would be. And him being like, how can I possibly answer a question? I don't know what you're asking me. You know, like... Yeah. John Henry when he called me

about the Devers trade, he wouldn't tell me what it was. He just kept asking if it was safe. But I was like, no, John Henry. Don't trade her best hitter. Oh, fuck. Well, the other torture scene... after the ropedope from William Devane, my guy.

Yeah, a lot of ropo dopes in this movie. And Olivier says, a live, freshly cut nerve is infinitely more sensitive. And you're just like, just fucking, can you just shoot me? How about just kill me? Please. That's because the mookie betts tooth was dead. And the Xander tooth was dead.

So they cut a new one, Rafi. Oh, yeah. I got the Roman Anthony Marcelli. teeth in the way back. Hoffman said Olivier got inspiration for the torture scene from seeing a gardener prune roses shortly before the shooting.

I don't know if I totally believe this. I'm not sure Olivia need a lot of inspiration. But he said that Olivier realized that Zelle was a craftsman that he used tools with skill. This also has a great exchange with Devane and Olivier.

I believe in my country. Devane says, and Olivia's like, so did we all. Yeah. She's like, oh, man. Evil Nazi was some good points. Zell's accent being kind of like from nowhere is so creepy.

Everything about him is so creepy. He's not coming around being like, we have visits of making you talk, Dr. Jones. Like he's, yeah, it's like he's been in South America for a long time. Like it's just kind of this flat accent. Yeah, he does an amazing job of, you can feel the baggage of all the horrible things he's done

and probably still has in him deep down because that stuff never goes away. It's not like, hey, I'm not an evil guy anymore. Like at some point, you are who you are. It's in your DNA. And you could feel it in the DNA still with him. And when he's torturing, babe, you can see there's 20% of him is like,

oh, man, I'm back. Yeah. This is great. Just fucking with people again. I really miss this. Zell in the Diamond District getting recognized. Zell! Unreal, man.

The scene's just the best. The guy at first he's in there with the two guys. And one of them's kind of like... Because he sees the tattoo. I know you. Perhaps you do. I'm pretty good at faces myself. Christopher Hess.

How do you do? Christopher Hess. How do you do? Wait. And wait. And everything. I think... One of them is kind of side-eyeing him a little bit.

And we get a little wrist knife. and it all leads him open in the security deposit box and finding the diamonds, which is an awesome olivacian. Yeah. Just like the camera shot, too, of just him opening it. It's also great that this, like,

incredibly evil person who you think has an ideology is just like a craven, he's just greed. You know, he just wants his money. It's hard to identify with that theme now, 2025. And then the showdown at the end would be the other one. What do you have for most rechargeable?

I guess is it safe? I mean, it's the most iconic scene from the film. I happen to really love everything with Doc and Paris. It's just so evocative and creepy. It's like a whole other movie. Chen and the stroller and the opera. I love all that stuff, but is it safe?

It's the most rewatchable scene. What's the most 1976 thing about this movie? What do you have? I have OG Nazis still in the mix. Yeah. Walking and talking. That's the answer. I will also have training for a marathon being a rogue thing.

Like, what are you doing? Trying to run a marathon. People are like, oh, Mara, what? Yeah. What's that? 26.2 miles. Can you smoke while you do that? You run every day?

Nobody's chasing you. You just run. So you just run and then you finish running. Yeah. Then what do you do? Another low-key 76 thing is just New York City, 1976. Yeah, the best movie location on the planet. I also have a stealth gay subplot

that can't really be addressed because of when they made the movie? It's not super addressed in the novel. Like, they just acknowledge that Janey and Silla are together. And that, but like it doesn't, and it certainly impacts like Janeway's betrayal.

But yeah, it's never explicit. This was actually... Pretty racy for 76. And also, like, I think one of the first times I was like, to my mom, I was like, what's going on with those guys? Yeah. And like, you know, I didn't, yeah,

I was like, or whatever 12. What's the most 76 thing about this movie? I also have diamonds being worth 15K a carrot. Probably higher now. Probably higher. Creepy mid-70s, everyone's up to something movies? Sure.

And then my winner, McCarthyism victims as a crucial plot device. You don't see this anymore. No. Be like if one of our relatives was McCarthyism victim and it would just come up on the rewatchables every once in a while. Give it time. Maybe we can come up with a new McCarthy. There might be a new ism.

What saves the best? I have a bunch. What do you have? First of all, the location shooting in New York City and Paris, there's just no, this is like the ultimate, like you can't do New York and Toronto. You're like, you can't do like this stuff. I love, love, love Doc's death when he's like, frankly, I don't give a fool. Yeah.

And it's outside. They actually shot that in L.A. Yeah. And so it's downtown L.A. It's like some skyscraper down there. And I love the setting for that. And that's like the peak creepy 70s conspiracy scene with like the red, the fountain through the glass. What else do I have for what stage is the best?

It's always awesome to rewatch these conspiracy thrillers when you know the plot. So you can go back and see also the first time. It's like, oh, so she was stalking him. You know, like that stuff's great. When a famous star is in a movie and dies way sooner than expected, aka they called this the Janet Lay. Yeah. From Psycho.

Psycho. But Shider being in this movie, you just assume he's going to make it the whole way, and then he's dead 40 minutes in. Dentistry is torture. It's torture anyway, and this movie really embraced it, but it's at what's age the best? Did this movie change your relationship to dentistry? No, and I disliked it.

Yeah. Anyway. How about you? It makes me... think that like my physical reaction to dentistry is just like alarm and I want to fly away. Like I want to get away from it and this movie gives it like a horror, you know? Yeah. But I just don't like people in my mouth like tapping at things and scraping at things.

I'll do it. Got to do it. Devane saving babe, but not really, which I would call the fake out plot swerve. I always like when this happens in the movies where it seems like the guy is being saved or the girl. but then they just get pumping for information and then you circle back and it's like wait, that's where we just let it's such a distinctive

street that Babe runs down to get away and you see the graffiti and when Devane's car pulls past the graffiti again you're like no! And then he's like, you killed them! You killed them! It's also a really good exposition dump because Devane explains the whole diamond courier thing

to Babe and then it's like oh, but it doesn't matter because babe's going to get tortured me. I have anyone opening a safety deposit box in a movie? I'm not not watching. It doesn't matter what the movie is.

It could be freaking rom-com on Netflix. Inside man, Marathon, man. Yeah, just always good. Running on a highway ramp and doing the jump to the lower highway ramp, which is also no way out,

you got me every time. Yeah. Nobody ever sprains an ankle, breaks a tibia. The cab always is like, cool, I'll stop for this. guy who looks like he's been tortured in his pajamas. No car ever runs a person over.

This is a good one for what's age the best. When someone's random non-fight training comes in handy in an action movie where it's like, oh, the marathoning. Now it's going to pay off. I'm just going to outrun these fucking guys. Like I'm in the Boston Marathon. They just did that with the amateur.

Yeah. It's a good movie. I like the amateur. I told my dad after I told, I texted two people after I saw the amateur. my dad and you. And I told my dad, I'm like better than a five o'clocker.

It'd be like a 6.30, 7 o'clocker. But he watched it the next day. He was like, really good. Not a huge Rami Malk fan, but I really liked it. Anyway, a couple more. Marathon Man used the steady cam. It was the third movie they used it.

Bound for Glory and Rocky also used it. But it was the first movie that came out that used it. Okay. So we had that with the Hoffman. Yeah. And then Goldman had a whole thing about how Hoffman, objected to having the flashlight next time

when his brother shows up and Celestager convinced him and Goldman said it was because Hoffman didn't want to seem like he was chicken right and this was a big Goldman thing in all his writings about how stars want to be perceived

which is so interesting like they want to be the heroes and even though the baby is getting beaten on and through this entire movie he's like no I don't want him to be a pussy when he's in his apartment yeah meanwhile it feels like he's half the movie he feels like a puss. Last one. William DeVanes 1976 and

1977 two-year stretch. He's in family plot, Hitchcock's last movie. He's in Marathon Man. Bad News Bears 2, breaking training. One of the great performances is Kelly Leaks' dad. One of the great, great, great sports dad coach performances.

Craig, check it out. And then Rolling Thunder, your movie. I love Rolling Thunder. Those four out in a row. It's incredible. I love Devane. You know, so I did some research because I was trying to figure out why he wasn't more popular. Big stage guy. Yeah, but also, like, he was JFK and the missiles of October TV movie.

That was a huge movie with him and Martin Sheen on TV, like 74. And he got kind of typecast as like the JFK guy. Oh, interesting. I was trying to break out of it. I was thought he was really good. He ended up on like Knott's Landing. I also did a lot of Olivier research. I forgot to mention about his, he was married three times.

Joan Plowry at the end, right? Right, but he was married to the Gone with the Wind Lady. Vivian Lee. He got divorced because he started having an affair with her. And then they ended up together and ended up doing a whole bunch of plays together. But then, you know, occasionally she just would hook up with another guy that she was in a movie with. And then he might do the same thing with an actress. But then they would get back together.

Yeah. And then she would go off again and have an affair with somebody else. And it's just the way the 30s and 40s and 50s moved where people were like, yeah, I couldn't resist. I have to go fuck them in my trailer. Sorry. And I don't know. I don't know if it works that way anymore.

It's funny to go back and watch Mad Men and just be like, how soon would the wife just be like, you're fucking out and I'm taking half of your money to Dandreifer. Yeah, it just wasn't like that back then. Yeah, so anyway, our guy built the vein. Great job by him. Would you have for Big Hoon and Burger Award, best use of food drink?

I got three things. Okay. One, the clove oil extract that they rub on the tooth. Great. Two, truffles on crout, which is what Doc tells Elsa to get at the restaurant. But honestly, this movie gets the reverse cahuna. You don't want to eat after seeing this movie. Oh, because you have a exposed root here, too?

Yeah. Great shot, Gordo. So many. I really like the shot of him open the security deposit box. Uh-huh. I also like they have the, in the water factory deposit box. or the fuck that is, that wide shot of them. The waterworks, yeah.

There's a wide shot of them kind of circling each other that I thought was really good, but there's a lot of good stuff in this. So I have anything from Doc's murder, the Red Steps, the fountain, that stuff. Conrad Hall shot this. He's one of my favorite cinematographers.

Absolutely amazing. I love the shot. When Doc is in Paris and he walks out onto his balcony in Paris and the cameras goes through another window and extends out and then the Eiffel tower's there. I'm just like,

holy shit. Yeah. This is incredible. Conrad's cooking. Yeah. Yeah. And then my favorite might be just for absolute total creep is when Doc is coming out of the opera and the soccer ball rolls up to him.

And he's just like, and the woman is like his partner has disappeared. And then just a soccer ball comes up. Then he's like, fuck. That's like a classic 1976 scene. That doesn't even pay off. Yeah. It's just like, why is this here? Now it would be the conjuring.

Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happenance Award for. best needle drop. I think it's the opera with Olivier. Yeah, although the score is just incredible. Yeah. Like seeing the German newspapers. Good, like, exposition in that scene. It was like, all right, this guy's creepy. Chest Rockwell, Brocklanders are where best character name. Dr. Christian Zell.

It's up there. His flunkies being named Carl and Earhart. Yeah. Pretty good, though. Yeah. We'll take a break and then you got a flex category. This episode is brought to you by Apple. and AT&T, scroll long enough and you'll hear it all. Miracle diets, fitness trends, you name it.

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Probably like maybe I can just drown myself. Like I just don't want to experience this anymore. I think I die in the bathroom as well. Yeah. Because you can't get out the window. Maybe cut your wrists with like a razor or something like that. I know it's morbid, but like if you knew on the other side was, is it safe? But he doesn't know that.

Yeah. No. I would also just have a hard. attack when the dental tools got unrevealed. Yeah, dental tools and a German accent in 1970s. I just, can you just jab that in my temple? I have no answers. Just kill me.

Right here. Right here. No, I don't know if it's safe. Just right here. Let me make an X. I'm never going to love again after this. You can just take me out. Butch's girlfriend Award Weeklink of the film.

Unfortunately, for this one, it's the girlfriend. So you don't like Elsa. I just don't, it's the weakest part of the film that she's working for Zelle the whole time. She's very pleasant. I don't think she's kind of up to stuff enough. Yeah. And then I have no idea why we go to the farmhouse. It's such a weird part of the movie.

I just don't get it. In the book you find out Elsa's working for Zell after the first meeting in the library. So it's an interesting difference between the novel and the screenplay, in the novel you're like the whole time you're like Elsa's bad, else is bad. When Doc figures it out at lunch you're like, oh, interesting. But in the movie, it kind of comes out of nowhere when it's like not only like, yeah,

I've like been working for Zeld this whole time. I think she's good, especially to be like a German who could pass for Swiss, speak some French, that kind of thing. She's pretty. I don't know what a Swiss accent sounds like, but she sounds German the whole time. Yeah.

I have no idea why we go to the farmhouse. I just don't understand it. I think he's supposed to be basically incapacitated. In the book, it's like she shows up because he's like, go get a car and meet me at this drugstore. And she's like, I got the car and the guy who's car it is, this neighbor of mine has a, like a house upstate. We'll go there. I get it. It just feels like they wanted to get out of New York City for a couple scenes.

Yeah. But I just would have not done that at all. And I would have spent more time with Rory Shatter because we could talk about this is in what stage the worst. I'll just do it now. but an eight and a half minute sequence was shot of Doc fighting with some guys who killed a spy colleague

that's a huge part of the book and Goldman thought it got cut because of the violence because they cut down the is it safe scene too? And the shiter death and the shiter death because he basically gets disemboweled

when he gets, so they did a lot of stuff based on this one preview screening they had where everybody thought it was too violent and Goldman said we've Roy Shire He's coming off Jaws.

This was a big part of the reason why he took this role and we cut that scene but now we're adding eight minutes of the farmhouse for no reason at all and the whole thing is I'd say it's my one thing

every time I watch this movie I'm like god damn it and then he could just get away but he's like come on in three evil guys and let's talk this out it's like I just don't understand any of it.

I would also say that especially on repeat viewings I don't love the flashbacks to his childhood. There's nothing in there other than Babe being there when his dad kills himself that I didn't know from the movie itself

and that you can't intuit it from the movie itself. And the movie doesn't go into depth about so many things like Janeway and Doc's relationship and all this other stuff. But like we get like five cutaways to childhood. It feels like they were really trying to stay faithful to the book. Yeah, but that's not really even in the book.

I mean, they talk about the dad in the book, but it's not like he's not like he, he's like always thinking i i don't know i thought it was like it's not something that worked for me on this and this run through morewood's age the worst um stalking a girl home for the first date oh 76 yeah it drives me absolutely fucking bonkers that babe doesn't keep the diamonds and the money i just hate that in every movie where somebody's like you know what morally i can't do it it's like just fucking take the diamonds what are you doing take there's just cash just grab it what are you doing You're too good to put some cash in your pocket?

Yeah. You think your apartment is looking good right now? By the way, you need some dental work. Maybe the cash can go to it. And you let Melendez take your television. Right. You have no apartment. Your family's dead.

Maybe take the diamonds. I don't know. And then what's age or worse? The concept of Nazi criminals in a movie because in 2025, they wouldn't exist. Yeah. So it's aged or worse just because it's aged. What else do you have?

The way Babe's apartment must have smelled. Because he's coming back from long distance running training. It sounds like a hockey locker room. Wearing full sweatsuit of like old school Russell athletic sweats. Yeah. Basically wearing Adidas, old Adidas running shoes. Then he strips down sweating his balls off and he starts reading history textbooks. Yeah.

Can you imagine? Not a lot of natural light coming in there. Probably some fungus. Yeah. Good call. Yeah. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison for it. take a word.

We kind of alluded to this earlier. I would rather have Roy Shiders in 1970s than Dustin Hoffman's 1970s. Shiders highlights for the 70s are clout, French connection, seven-ups, jaws, marathon, man, sorcerer, Jaws, two, all that jazz. Listen, I'm on Shider Island.

I've been there the whole time. Hoffman goes, Little Big Man, Papillon, Lenny, all the president's men, straight time, Kramer versus Kramer. I'll take Shider. I would take him over Hackman. He just gets... I remember asking Goldman about this once because he loved Shider.

We might even talk about this on one of the other rewatchables. And I was like, what was he missing? And he's like, I don't know. You know, he didn't age that great by the time we get to the 80s. Yeah, when he's in 2010, he's looking pretty old.

Yeah, my guess is there were a lot of cigarettes. So I don't think he aged in a classic way. But I was thought he was amazing. I think he's amazing in Jaws. I don't get it. Yeah, it's like when you, he's like William Holden where you're like, are you 39 or 60? Right. I don't, how old is he in this movie?

I have no idea. I have no idea. Yeah. My hottest take. It's a two-parter. I think if you're making this in 1976, if we could do it over again, it's a better Harrison Ford part. He's young. He hasn't been in Star Wars yet.

I think he's been in American graffiti. He's got the size from the book. I would have believed him as a runner. Nobody's better than Harrison Ford if people are coming after him. little more handsome I could believe the Elsa thing more I just think it's I think it's a better movie

yeah so this is pre-rater so you wouldn't associate him with being like oh this guy's gonna kick Zell's ass yeah it's not like that it's you're right he would be tall but in 1984

this is an epic Tom Cruise part it's TC all the way this is TC fucking he gets to run he gets to pretend he knows a lot about history he gets to torture yeah he

gets to seduce a hot foreign lady. He gets to run again. He gets to run a third time. He gets to freak out. Yeah. He probably watched Marathon Man like, fuck. I'm surprised he doesn't remake it now. It's the most cruisiest part that's not a cruise movie.

Casting what ifs. So when Olivia had health problems, they had Richard Widmark in the bullpen. Which I kind of like. Yeah, warming up. And then this is a tough one for both. of us. Schlesinger wanted Charlotte Rampling for Elsa.

Couldn't get her. Settled on Martha Keller. Marty Keller? Mart. Mark Keller? Yeah, according to Robert Evans. The new international a lot of you do,

Mike Keller. You're going to love it. Charlotte Rampling in this movie. It would have been illegal. Also, how many times can Charlotte Rampling double cross our guys?

You know, if she did this in Marathon on and then did the verdict? I don't. Now I'm happy to go to the upstate New York for eight minutes with Charlotte. Let's go check out that house. Anywhere else we want to go?

Want to go apple picking? Yeah. Yeah, she's definitely smoking. I can totally believe the double cross in a completely different way. I don't know. The other person I saw in my research was Julie Christie, which I suppose I'd bring up just because in Super 70s.

Yeah, the double cross for her, I'm not buying as much. Yeah. I have that in our casting couch. director of City too Charlotte Rampling is also just like no question best that guy

well we have a runner up Carlos Mendes from the Miami Vice Calderon's revenge episode he plays Melendez when Tubbs hits the glass at the beginning of the part two

yeah and Philip Michael Thomas is like come on Mendez you gotta talk sucker he's doing that all thing he's in this movie he's the guy that Hoffman asked to rob his place.

It's creepy. It's creepy. But that's not the winner. No. Because our winner is, of course, Al Neri from the Godfather. Richard Bright's in this movie. Richard Bright. Hands down.

So. I ended up for some reason, never gone to his IMDB before and didn't realize he was the dad and beautiful girls. No. He was Timothy Hutton's dad and beautiful girls. Are you serious? Yeah. That's Al Neri from the Godfather. Oh, God.

I guess I have to go back and watch Beautiful Girls. He was the dad of Timothy Hutton and David Arquette. I gotta go take a shit. Those are his three biggest parts. Richard Brayette. So he plays Al Neri in one and two, by the way. And he can play Italian-American heavy and German-heavy. Nobody ever did more with a blank face.

Yeah, he's got like two lines across three movies there. Yeah. When Michael looks at him at Mom's Funeral. After he's like, pretending he's getting back to the other threader, and he just kind of looks it out. And I was like, all right, time to go fishing. Gotcha. Yeah, I got you.

Don't worry. Got it. Dion Waiter's a word. Shider? I think he's in too much. I have Devane in there, but I'm going to go with Lada Palfi andor as Zell. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.

Craig's choice. Flex category for Craig. What do you got, Craig? Um, my hot take is that Babe was just kind of dumb. He was mugged by two guys in three-piece suits and fedores and just didn't think that was weird. Yeah, true. He was like, oh, I got mug, and they're like, oh, like, what did he look like? And they're like, oh, they're like, two, like, you know, hoodlums.

And he's like, no, they were two 50-year-old men in suits. And he were like, oh, that feels kind of weird. Yeah. He also, his brother who was murdered, and then he was tortured by a German man named Zell. and his brother was like, hey, I just outed your girlfriend for being a closeted German. Didn't think anything of that just kind of kept plowing right forward with her

and still thought she was totally innocent up until they got to the house. And then I just, I thought it was a weak move that he just couldn't pull the trigger on Zell at the end. What are we doing? He couldn't shoot him? In the book, he does. He fucking guns him down.

Yeah. Like, I don't understand the character choice of him not shooting Zell. It's a weird, I would say there's two things that happened. Because he shoots people right before it up in upstate New York. In the book, he shoots Elsa, right? Like, he guns down Elsa.

It's much more death wish at the end of the book. Because he shoots Devane in the house. And then 20 minutes later, he can't shoot Zell? It's absurd. So the ending was rewritten by Robertown, as CR said, because Hoffman apparently didn't like it. Goldman thought it was a piece of shit. It drove him crazy.

You couldn't believe it. In the novel, Babe leads Zelda Central Park, shoots him multiple times while lecturing him, kills him, throws the diamonds away and is led away by the police. Yeah, I just don't know the lead-up with Babe. I mean, he's clearly capable and willing to kill. Well, Goldman's up in the sky thanking us that we have Craig here. I can't believe Tibbs got fired.

There's no one else tips had to do that made the Eastern Finals. Wait, can I add one more question? Yeah. So a lot of the movies in the 70s, 80s, but I think it starts to get better in the 80s. I personally at home have trouble hearing what the people are saying. Do you have trouble, like just the sound mixing?

Oh, well, I think that they do a lot of stuff, especially in these 70s movies where they've ADR'd stuff where it's like, so you're seeing something that you should not be able to, like it'll be a character across the street in a diner through a window and you can hear it as they're whispering in your ear. Okay. So it's just a style. Altman did this a lot with like a lot.

with like a lot of his layering of sound. That is just unconventional for our modern, like cinematic appetite. I am very anti-close captioning. I don't support it. But I had a really hard time just understanding. Also the accents. I had like genuinely a very difficult time understanding what they were saying. So I had to turn them on.

And I was just wondering if that was the case like in the theaters in the 70s, if it was muddled because sound mixing wasn't as good or if that's the way it's translated to our TVs now. Yeah. I would say sound mixing is too good now. Yeah. The sound is translated. so it's probably picking up stuff from the print

that wasn't even intended to really be heard. And I just think that they would do stuff with sound that was just way different. Yeah. They'll do things where you're like, oh, like visually, I'm so far away from this person. Yeah. It almost feels weird that I can hear them mumbling

to someone next to them. Yeah, because there's some under-the-breath conversations in really pivotal moments, and I'm like, I don't know what they're saying. Yeah. Do you guys watch movies and TV with closed captioning? I try not to. I find it's really distracting.

Yeah. And sometimes the line comes up, the words come up before the person says it. I do. I had to use some close captioning for Segal when he was trying to do as Italian accent and up for justice. That was the last time I used it.

Half a Saternity research. So in the novel, we said Janeway and Doc are lovers. So Doc's in Paris and he calls Janeway in the phone. He says, Janie, I miss you. Get your ass over here.

That's kind of the only way they allude to it. it's definitely more subtle in the book. It's a weird one though. I didn't even notice that in the movie until I reread it in the book a few years ago. Yeah. And it was like, because in the beginning you're like,

oh, is you talking to a woman named Janie? You know, like you're just, is you got a girlfriend somewhere. So the marathon runner shown in flashbacks is Adebe Bikila, who won the 1960 Olympic marathon and ran barefoot for Ethiopia. Yeah.

No shoes. Barefoot athletes have really gone out the window in the last 20 years. We'd barefoot kickers all the way through the 90s. Zola Bud. Yeah. We both had Tony Franklin on our team as a football kicker. Just such a weird era that people are like, you know what? I'm better off without the sneaker.

Playing in the NFL. Pure feel. I know. Like Craig, that has to be top five weirdest things for you about sports in the 80s. What do you mean they were barefoot kickers in the night? Like literally barefoot field goal kickers. In what year are we talking about? We're talking like 80s.

Yeah. The Patriots had Tony Franklin in the, I think in the Super Bowl season or around that era. Was out there with just no shoes or socks, just barefoot? No, they'd have the weirdest thing is they'd have the left shoe in the sneaker and then the barefoot on the right. Because the plant foot you want with the shoe for the spikes. But then you get pure feel. I get it on the inside of the foot. What's funny is you go back and look at all the field goals stats and people are.

like 54% Yeah they're like And they're like I need the feel of this Career long is 36 yards If you needed sneakers Stakers Broken toes Yeah

Goldman wrote a screenplay called Brothers And I guess kind of a sequel But not considered one of his better books A sequel to this? Yeah It's called Brothers Is it a prequel about Babe and Doc

Or what is it? It's a I don't really know. Unproduced? I know that it's not well-liked. Okay. Yeah. Apex Mountain.

Hoffman, I think it's Kramer versus Kramer. Oh, I think it's this year. I think it's Marathon and it's, it's 76. It's Marathon Man and All the President's Men in one year. I think it's Kramer versus Kramer. Okay. We'll agree to disagree. Dentistry?

Yeah. Dentistry is a movie device. Little shop of horrors in this. Yeah. Shider. it's around it. I mean, I would say, Jaws. Yeah. Devane, it's definitely bad news, bears,

and breaking training, figuring out how to back Kelly League five times the three innings of the Astrodome. Still don't know how I did it. We're definitely doing that on the rewatchables at some point. Kelly League just keep, Craig, you haven't seen that one, right?

Oh, man, you're going to love it. A lot of line-up chicanery in the big game. Torture scenes? I think this might be the most famous one. If it's not, it's up there. it's top three. What do you think? What's the most famous

torture scene for your generation? Oh, wow. I would say the first thing that comes to mind this is the end?

Casino Real is getting hitting the balls the thing that swings into the chair. Oh, Casino Real Real. That one's a really bad. That's a really good one. Yeah,

I mean, Hope is bad. Oh, yeah. Reservoir dogs. And reservoir dogs of the ear. Yeah, we probably should have picked. Maybe we should say

non-Tarantino torture scenes. Olivier, no way. Goldman's in the running because he has this and all the President's Men in 76. He wins the Oscar. He has a book thing. His prices now.

He's the biggest price of any screenwriter. I think this might be it. Mark Keller. I think so. She's in Black Sunday, right? Black Sunday. Bobby Deerfield. It's a movie called Fedora.

And then that was it for her. She was a big star. Slesinger. Midnight Cowboy because it won the Oscar. I'm walking here! Jewish revenge movies. Bastards. Yeah, it's bastards.

Yeah. It's close though. Evil Nazi characters. It's the guy who melts in Raiders and it's Christoph Waltz. We said the good Nazi in victory. He just wanted some good soccer. That's true.

Yeah, just needed a break. Break from the horrible war. just wanted a good game. We're not so different, you and I? Yeah. Do you guys see the bicycle kick? Yeah. I know we're all Nazis, but you have to appreciate the artistry of that.

And then Diamond District scenes in a movie. It's this or uncut gems. I think it's this. Yeah. Well, this is the easiest cruiser, Hanks, we've ever had. It's a cruising walk. This is such a cruise part. Yeah.

Hanks maybe is the shider part, but maybe. Yeah. But not as good as cruise. Spielberg or Scorsese. This is a hard one because Squarespace. Borsese is the consummate New York director, but nobody does Jewish revenge like Spielberg. Has to be Spielberg. Who does Philip Seymor Hoffman play?

Janeway. The Devane character. I had that as well. Picking Nitz. Why did William Devane tell Babe the entire Zell story as he's just driving around so they'll end up at the same spot? That's a classic. The screenwriter wants the information out there. It's both.

It's an exposition dump that does make sense. He's basically doing... It's an extended version of, like, cutting into someone and then giving them clove oil. He's, like, luring him into a false sense of security. And now he's like, I'm bringing you in. I'm telling you what your brother did. Now you're going to tell me what he said to you. But, yeah.

So I go to Craig. I'm like, so we're teaming up with Portnoy. Anyways, he reached out to you? Why did Zelle go to the Diamond District first? to find out about the carrot prices, whatever he was doing before he went to the deposit. Yeah, he was going to get like a market setting price on a carrot. He's no henchman left at that point?

Well, they've gone up to the lakehouse. They've gone up to the country. Nobody else. Nobody else that Nazi slack. When you're one of the most wanted you? No, need something in the district. I think when you've got yourself on like every wanted list in the Western world,

like your circle's pretty tight. Do you think he disguised himself? enough. No. Like he just shaved the top of his head. He could have done a little more, I think.

Yeah. Maybe grow some facial hair, changed the glasses, put a hat on. Maybe put on a, like a Thurman Munson jersey. Yeah,

dressed like a Yankee fan. That made fun. He was wearing a Yankee hat with a Munson jersey and like blue jeans. You can't fucking, get a lot of these fucking guys. We got a son,

Reggie Jackson. And then, why do we have the drive-tub state in New York, which we already talked about. Any other nitpicks for you? You got them all except for when Dustin Hoffman is running to the drugstore to meet Mark.

In the background, the movie Marquis playing Jaws, which breaks the Roy Shider fantasy reality. Yeah, we cross the streams. Yeah. I have one more. I admittedly don't know quite enough

about jogging. I've never been a jogger. Hoffman's jogging to me seems a little lurchy. And I didn't feel like he had, I know they said he worked on it every day. He ran four miles. But that's crucial. He's running four miles, not a marathon.

And I feel like he was a little bit like when the guy who passes him at the reservoir runs by him and then he's like speeding up. It's kind of like, all right, but you're running a marathon. You would have to be like really pacing yourself here. Did you like his stride, though? I mean, it's the 70s. I haven't crushed a lot of pre-fontane tapes. I don't know what it really looks like. somebody who's running that much

and this is like my thing is I run every day yeah I just want them I want more efficient those guys and ladies they glide yeah he's running like the way his character is like he's running like I don't know I just didn't totally work for me

sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable I know we said prestige TV can I test drive a Zelle prequel? You're going to test drive by casting a fishing hook just a Zell prequel Uh-huh

Not a lot of laughs in that one No but like him trying to get to South America Getting out of Germany Yeah So Late 40s Is the protagonist or are we with someone Hunting Zell who's trying to catch you?

No, we're hunting Zelle Okay We're trying to find Zelle before he gets Argentina Yes I think you're not not watching that Sure Okay

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins Danny Treyo Dorisburg Sam Jackson Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley-Maze, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, long legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm. I think it's got to be, I said, is it safe? English, motherfucker, do you speak it? I double dare you.

Now, is it safe? That's a good one. Yeah. I think it would be too problematic for Wayne to chime in here. Christian? It's so funny you didn't say him because I was going to do Stephen A. Christian Zell's asking me if it's safe. He's asking me?

Because I'm going to be here a long time after Christian Zell. A long time. Is Christian Zell an underachiever? Christian Zell, maybe you should worry about getting those diamonds for asking me if it's safe. Okay? But then we find out Stephen A was playing solitaire while Marathon Man was on. I can't wait until the expo. Jose about you comes out where it's just like you're supposed to be watching, you know, having

could wait, but you're actually playing. You're doing fantasy leaks the entire time. I don't, do we know when he was playing solitaire? Apparently it was during a meaningful moment in the game. I don't, but I have not been tracking this story very closely. I'm sorry. I'm not there to judge. I'm there studying the OKC body language. Like I'm like a detective looking at a police lineup. I'm just watching everybody. Oh, shit looks unhappy. What's going on there? Just one Oscar, who gets it? Conrad Hall. Oh.

So this is cinematographer. Love this guy. Shot Butch Cassidy, Cool Hand Luke, in Cold Blood, Marathon Man, Road to Perdition, and American Beauty. So his career stretches across from the 50s to the 90s. And I just think that this is one of the most extraordinary portraits of New York City. I mean, it's so incredible what he does. I was going to go with the Libya, but he made a good case. probably in answerable questions

what kind of dental work was Babe looking at next six months there and what's the conversation like with the dentist well first of all Babe's got to go under general anesthesia to get dental work done

like there's no way he's conscious at all for it right I mean he has an exposed nerve for the last hour of this movie yeah gotta get that fixed I would say pretty soon the movie never really goes into

how he eats with the fucked up tooth this would be a good sequel Babe's dental dream What is he? He go in, like the dental assistant comes in He's like, hey babe, how are you? I'm Jenny. Yeah.

Hey, how are you? So what are you in for today? So there's this evil Nazi. Maybe you heard of him, the vice angle? Yeah, Zell? Yeah. You know, the angel of death. And he was trying to get me to tell him information

and he drilled a hole and now I have an exposed nerve on my tooth. There's tooth right here, that one that's black. Yeah. Yeah, so I was going to try to get that fixed. I don't know, probably a fake tooth. Probably pulling that. I would need heroin the next time I went to a dentist office.

Other unanswerables, anything? The only one I had was, did this movie invent the trend of British actors playing supervillains in Hollywood movies? Oh. So Hopkins, DeLector, Alan Rickman, and Die Hard. Like, is there, I could probably answer this question, but I didn't see any earlier evidence of it. It's a good one. I was trying to think unanswerable

is Babe's apartment ever rented again? There's a chalk outline in the living room. The bathroom's been demolished. It smells like a hockey locker room. When I first moved to New York in 2000, there was a hole in my floor

that the landlord was like, I'll get to that. And it was like as big as this table. He was like, you're just going to want to walk around that. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

Like how deep was the hole? Well, it was... It was deep. And it was, it was, there was something underneath where it wasn't going down into the next apartment. But he was like, I'm going to fix that before you move in and didn't. Jesus. Yeah.

And then it's too late. I was living there. This would be a good podcast, my first New York City apartment. I got a great one, yeah. Do you? Oh, yeah. My, my New York apartment was fucking terrible. We used, uh, you couldn't even get to the toilet without, like, you had to like turn sideways

and shimmy past the shower because the walkway was so narrow. Oh, yeah. It was like one foot wide. And then our whole ceiling was completely sunken in. There was like all this leakage and the ceiling looked like a concave. Where was it? I was in prospect Crown Heights-ish.

Okay. Yeah. New York's hilarious because everybody who lives there, I was like, yeah, the first department I lived in, we just had an open sewage pipe that just spewed sewage. It was great. So we lived there for a year.

I met my wife there. That's great. He's kind of worked around it. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I'm going to go with the rarely seen not. Yeah. The drill.

I mean. That's just a weird thing to have. You're like, hey, come into my library. I have the drill for Marathon Man. I guess it would be pretty antisocial, but the one piece of memorabilia I did want was the wrist knife. Oh, that's a really good one. Pretty cool party trick. But I would not want any of Babes running clothes.

Yeah. I'm good. Is there like historical accuracy to that? His like concealed knife thing, or is that kind of a. Just like a movie trope. I feel like the 60s and 70s were full of knives and cool places. Okay. So it was a big metal bracelet that was immediately conspicuous.

You'd be like, what the fuck is that? And then he had some button that just a knife shot out of it. Well, it's also like, it's so incredible in the 70s where they're like, thank you for flying from Paraguay to America or Iroguide to America. Yeah. Get your own bags. We're good. Right. Strike.

Yeah, true. And your Nazi henchmen can meet you at the gate. That would have been good for unanswerable questions. Was there actually a baggage strike? Well, also would TSA have caught D. Yeah, true. Coach Finstock wore a best life lesson. Don't trust the Nazis?

At the end of it, if you kill the Nazi dentist, take his diamonds. You earned it? Yeah, take the diamonds. It's okay. Put them in your pocket. Best double feature choice. You go boys from Brazil and go Olivia at the other side. I like that.

Uncut gems if you want to go Diamond District again. Munich. Munich's a good one. Interesting element to this. Would that be a weird rewatchable's choice? Munich and Lincoln are the two late periods, Spielberg ones that I was like, I really want to do these. I didn't like Munich at all when I first saw it.

And about 10 years ago it kind of broke me. Yeah. Now I'm like Munich. Do you ever watch Lincoln? You really want to, you want to do this. Do you want me to do this this this this this? It's Daniel Day, yeah. If the Celtics don't trade Jalen Brown before July 1st, I'll watch, I'll watch Lincoln again.

I'm really worried they're going to trade Jalen Brown. I love that guy. You're in such a tender place. I really am. I don't want them to trade anybody. Yeah. Why can't they make the Eastern Finals next year without Tatum? It's entirely possible.

Indiana made the Eastern Finals. They have Miles Turner's two for ten every game. And they've Nemhard playing 40 minutes a game. I know. Obie Toppin plays real minutes. Trust me. I think about this every time I watch them. But I'm just like, guess the process was for nothing.

Right. Turns out we would have been fine. You mean, shit. You might be able to take con canipple with the third pick. You're not taking con canipple with the third pick. I do like con cancipple. No. Who do you want them, third pick?

I think you have to take Trey or Ace at third, but I like edgecombe the most. I just wish we could get down to like five or six and take edgecom and get something else. We'll talk about it after the pod. We won the movie. Really tough one. For me, it's Olivier. Because... I'm going to go with Olivier as well.

Because I don't have the entry to modern movies that he made because he had, you know, he basically... And we don't really talk about it's an incredible baton pass of like an older style of acting to a new style of acting. Yeah. So I think that that's... I think it's so cool that he's in this. And just in general, when somebody parachutes into a movie, that's a super crazy famous act, respected actor. And does something like this.

It's a brave performance. All right, Craig, what do you got? I thoroughly enjoyed it. Just a wonderful, incredibly suspense thriller, old school thriller. It's interesting that the number one takeaway I had was that I actually kind of didn't know what was going on in this movie

for like the first whole hour. Yeah. Like I was just kind of genuinely confused. In the book itself, you don't know Doc and Suss. Silla, which is his codename, are the same person until Doc dies. Yeah, I just think that's a symptom of like today. They would never do this today.

Doc would have probably died 20 minutes into the movie. He dies, I think, 60 minutes in in this movie. Yeah. And then you get the William Devane monologue, like 70 minutes in. And that's when you start to like, at least for me, figure out what's going on, especially me being, you know, so far removed from this era, not really knowing a ton about it. I was just a very unique feeling that you don't have anymore. There are little clues that you get when you watch it over and over again.

Sure, I'm sure going back now, but in the moment, I'm just trying to like take in each scene. When Zelle's brother leaves the bank the first time, and he passes off the little case, the Band-Aid case, Doc has that in Paris. Oh. So like you kind of like start to get clued into kind of sort of what he's doing. But yeah, you're right. Like you really don't know what's going on until DeVine. And I kind of enjoyed that. I mean, again, it wouldn't work now because if this run Netflix, people would turn it off because they'd be confused.

But if you know you have to, like, having to watch this movie and knowing like I will finish this no matter what, it's the payoff is just so much better. Having to build up this like, you know, this, all these things and figuring out figuring out how to put them together. And then, oh, an hour in, you're like, oh, wait. Okay, I'm starting to piece this together and see where things are going. It's much more fulfilling. It's also pretty cool because, like, you know, you're going along watching Zell come back to New York. But you're kind of like, I don't really, like, what's this guy capable? Totally.

And then when he gets in that room, you're like, oh, my God. And I, yeah, I think the Diamond District scene is by far my favorite scene. I think that was, like, incredibly, it just landed so hard. Yeah, it's so disturbing. I also like that there's another issue with movies now. I've never seen the amateur, but if I had to guess, I bet you the villain in the amateur is some, like, rogue, foreign CIA operative. And I always like when movies have real villains from real life.

that you can actually get behind and it's not like the faceless top gun maverick shit. Yeah. It's a good call. I think he made a key Netflix point. The movie's so complicated

in the first hour people just flip right over to Love Island. Yeah. They're like I'm out. No shot. Yeah. You have to almost have a captive audience.

Love Island, they switch partners. Got to see what happened there. I'm glad you liked it, Craig. I was great. It was written by our guy Goldman. All right, that's it for New York City Month. It is? I thought we have more.

No, we have two more left. Yeah. We think, for this installment. That's it for New York City Month. We think there's a chance next week is the 400th rewatchables episode.

Yeah. Not positive. It gets weird because we had, we did like six testers on the BS feed. We did six sports movie kind of Hall of Famers that were little test cases

for rewatchables, but then when we launched the feed, we put those on the rewatchables feed. But I think if we're actually talking about true rewatchables, you include the first heat, too, which we didn't do. I think this might be the 400th official rewatchables episode next week. But we're not celebrating that like an anniversary, because when we get to 400 movies, this was 387,

including Miami Vice Calder Runs Revenge, which was not a, which is a TV movie, but we're still counting it. So 400 movies will be the one that I think we care about. Okay. Right? Yeah, let me know. You like Mejitos? And we're doing, you me and Van are doing Miami Vice Live this summer.

Please. It just gets better every year. I can't rewatch it too many times before that, so just let me know. Because otherwise, I'll just start watching Miami Vice. You just be like in a... Andy will be like, what did you watch this week? I'll be like, Miami Vice. What's it?

I showed I told you I showed Ben the entire stretch from when he takes, what's her name, what's the actresses name? Gongli. Gongli, when he's like, do you want to get a drink? And she's like, I know a place. Do you like mehitos? I'm a fiend for mehitos. Or what do you like to drink? I'm a fiend for mehitos.

And then they're just on a speedboat going to Cuba. So I showed Ben. And Ben was just like, what? How far is Cuba from my head? He was just so confused. It's amazing. All right, at some point, yeah, that'll be a, that'll be an L.A. live show. Not a Miami live show.

We have to go to Seattle at some point soon. Okay. There's a lot of Sonic stuff going on with them, and they want us to come. They're trying to bring back the Sonics and get the expansion team. They want to, Seattle loves us. Okay. We have to go do a live rewatchables in Seattle. Yeah.

And then Indianapolis, which I had a great time, clamoring for rewatchables at some point. We should have saved breaking away for them. Yeah, we should have. Did you go to St. Elmo? I did. How did you, did you enjoy the shrimp cocktail? Are you a shrimp cocktail fan? It's fine.

Well, we're not going to Indianapolis. No, they know. It's basically the cocktail sauce is the draw. Well, it's the horse radish. It's like a mound of horsch radish in it. But it's like, you know, you could do that right here. I've never been to Indianapolis. It's fine.

I love Indianapolis. All right, next week, the 400th episode, but we're not going to celebrate New York City Month. Are you on next week? Yeah, you're on next week. Are you going to announce the movie or no? Tell him. Yeah? Yeah.

They've already seen it anyway. If people made it 97 minutes in, they deserve it. All right. It's die hard with a vengeance. Yeah. D.H. with a V. Yeah. That's next week.

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