The Rewatchables - ‘Memento’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: June 1, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan rush to the nearest tattoo parlor to remind themselves to rewatch Christopher Nolan’s ‘Memento,’ starring Guy Pearce, Carrie-Anne Moss, and Joe Pantoliano. Hosts: Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's my memory. Richard Roper of Iberden Roper in the movies calls Memento. easily the best films so far this year. See it once and you've got to see it again. My wife deserves vengeance. But even if you get revenge, you're not going to remember it. Ingenious, who will want to stay in the theater and see it again? The one entertainment experience this year worth repeating.

I've told you this before, right? Memento rated art. All right, Chris Ryan is here. We are doing a movie that caused us both to go get a bunch of tattoos and cover ourselves. Mine says fact number one, watch Luca. Memento came out. The release date, it's hard to say it was 2000, 2001.

I don't know. We probably celebrated a 20th anniversary at some point over the last couple months. But this movie has lost a little bit of cultural influence that I think it really had in the first half of the 2000s. I remember just even in my column making a couple of. memento jokes constantly. I felt like it was in there with fight club and boogie nights and a couple of those other iconic young director movies. And then it lost its luster, ironically, because it's not that rewatchable. But yet the reason we wanted to have this on the rewatchables is it is rewatchable because I still don't understand what the fuck happens in this movie. If you asked me to explain the plot,

I'm not sure I could. Do you understand what happens in this movie completely? I think that the actual plot of the movie, if you lay it out, A, B, C, D, EF, G, regardless of the chronology of the way in which it's told, is not that complicated, but it does have some ambiguous stuff, like whether or not Leonard is the Sammy Jankis, you know, like whether he did what Sammy Jankis did. But the actual Leonard is this guy, he's being manipulated by a bunch of people, he gets involved in a drug deal, and then a dirty cop gets him to kill somebody while also this Fem Fetal gets him involved. with her boyfriend Dodd, that's pretty much like the bare bones way

that all great detective stories go. It's like a guy gets sucked into a plan that goes over his head. It's the big sleep. It's the Maltese Falcon. It's Chinatown. This is just told backwards. Right.

And the structure works, and I think one of the reasons this movie is special is it's impossible to rip off. It's a one-of-one. It will never happen again. If somebody tried to do it again, it was like, come on, fuck you. You're just ripping off Nolan.

that on Wikipedia on the Momento page, they actually have a graph of how the two plots intertwine that's really helpful. I do feel like the internet's helped this movie in some way, but even as I'm looking at the graph now, I'm still confused. And I guess I know what happened. I think I know what happened,

but you might have some revelation that I've never considered and this movie's been around for 20 years. Well, so this is also one of those things where this was a really, this was my preferred version of the internet, internet was the version of the internet that was breaking down Memento where you have to go to these weird message boards, but you wouldn't also get like spammed by Russian bots while you were there. It was actually just like nerds trying to figure this movie out. Yeah, I think that if you ask

10 different people to give them, give a description of what happens to this movie and what this movie like means or is about, you probably get 10 different answers. From a pop culture significant standpoint, it really was important. I think, you know, Chuck, our friend Chuck Listerman, he wrote sex drugs and cocoa puffs, which I think was, what, 2003. And there's a memento chapter about the diner scene. Like, that was the kind of relevance it had. I think, you know, it's not that fun of a rewatch, but I've actually come around the other way.

I think it really is a fun rewatch because you pick up new stuff every time you see it. And I think I get what happened now. But I kind of think it's a borderline masterpiece. And Nolan's career since then, which is the real story of this movie and the real reason why we want to do this podcast, Nolan's had such a fascinating career. And this is technically his second movie, but it's really his first real movie with a budget. We're talking about Paul Thomas Anderson with heart eight, Nolan with this movie. There's this energy around that 95 to 2000 scene.

It's hard not to think about this movie in that energy, but on top of it, like you look at Nolan's IMDB. which we're going to get to. And this movie makes so much sense as this first big budget movie. This is all he's tried to do for 20 years. Elaborate movies that fuck with you. Yeah, he seems to arrive fully formed. Like he arrives as the finished product.

Like when, you know, a couple of the directors, like you mentioned Paul Thomas Anderson. I would even say like Scorsese, he makes like a documentary and he does, who's that knocking at my door? But then he does mean streets, right? Like, then he does the movie that announces him to the world.

And Paul Thomas Anderson is the same way. He does Heart 8, but then he does Boogie Nights. And even though people love Hard 8 and I love Hard 8, Boogie Nights is the thing that announces him to the world. And Nolan had done this like 70-minute black-and-white movie called The Following in 1998. And it was just obvious that he had skills. Like if you go back and watch it, you can just see all the stuff there. You can see all the pure raw talent there.

And then Memento, he makes for $4.5 million, I think. He makes it in 25 days. But it's as tight as usual sustenance. or Fight Club or any thriller pop thriller from that era. Yeah, it's impeccably crafted and really unusually good for somebody who

the whole story of this movie where he's driving his brother from Georgetown to L.A. and his brother has this idea for movie and they just fucking around. Yeah, we've seen versions of that, but it's usually an indie movie that's good, but it's a little flawed and you wish you had done

this or that. It's usually like, what if we did reservoir dogs, but it was Hollywood agents? who do coke. And it's backwards. Yeah. He does Memento. He does insomnia two years later. And that has Puccino, Robin Williams.

It's a huge big budget movie. It's in Alaska. It's almost like he skipped a step. And you mentioned the following. I didn't see the following. I saw every movie in the late 90s. I didn't even know that movie existed. Memento comes in.

It really does hit. And it also hits this fun time that you mentioned earlier. where, you know, Blair Witch, Momento, where you could go to the movies and not know what was going to happen and not have it spoiled too much. I saw this in the movies. I knew there was a gimmick.

I intentionally tried not to find out about it. And I also didn't have to worry about finding out about it because you could avoid those things back then. You know, and this is the tail end of that era. Yeah, and this, you know, you mentioned not knowing exactly, like, what anniversary to celebrate. So this movie debuted in Venice

at the Venice Film Festival in 2000. and it kept getting passed on by distributors, even though it had like this amazing buzz. And the festivals, but also the word of mouth back then, really meant a lot. I don't remember when Ain't It Cool News started or when some of those early movie sites started. But if you got somebody like Soderberg to go around

and in every interview he did was like, you got to see Memento, you got to see Memento, it built up this word of mouth that really, I think the internet is kind of superseded any kind of buzz a movie can get coming. I mean, sometimes something happens. Like, oh, people saw Minari at Sundance, and they were like, holy shit,

I can't wait for you to see this movie. But it was almost like this weird, like waiting nine months to finally be able to get to see it. Memento seemed to just like, it was like a runaway train. Like they decided to go, not independently, but Newmarket distributed it. And it went to like 500 theaters or something. And it just became one of those movies,

which was a real late 90s, early 2000s thing, where you would maybe go see it randomly. And then you would tell every single person you knew that they had to go see it and that they should know as little as possible going into it. Right. And then all those people would tell all their friends. And it would become this phenomenon. And I really do associate it, even though it's not, like you said, like the most pleasant rewatchable. Like, it's not like a fun hang the way dazed and confused is or the way usual suspects is or the way fight club is even.

It's still just like a marvel because when you watch it, you're like, oh. So the end is this. but then he goes to the tattoo parlor. Like, I, you know, and then like those kinds of like, that kind of like revelation over the course of like many watchings is really fun. Fight Club had that as well. Seven had that. But it's not a twist, right?

It's not like a, I mean, like there are, there are things that are twists in it, but the end, like, I think that it's like more of like a kind of a dawns on you what's happening rather than like this is this twist that like actually this guy has always been this guy. But what it has in common with Fight Club 7, Blair Witch, if somebody told you enough information, it would ruin that discovery thing that you get when you're in the theater and you don't know what's going to happen. I think what was cool about that era, and the internet's around, but it's early internet. It's just, if you really loved the movie, you became the guardian of it as you told your friends.

Like, go see it. I'm not going to tell you anything. After you say, you know, we kind of protected the artist. a little bit. I think that's impossible to do now because it's just going to come out and everything is instantaneous and you're just not going to be able to hide stuff like that. You look at Nolan's IMDB. I don't feel like anybody's director IMDB filmography makes more sense as a collection than his. He goes, Memento, Insomnia, Batman begins, the prestige, the dark night, inception, the dark that Rises, Interstellar, Dunkirk, Tenet. The only one that's a little askew is Dunkirk,

just a little, but it also felt like a very Nolan movie. But the way it's told is exactly like a Nolan movie. The way, I mean, the fact that they fuck around with the chronology of Dunkirk and there's one thing happening in an hour, one thing happens in a day and one thing happens in a week and he cuts them all together, he's obviously obsessed with time. I love the fact that there's a character named Cobb in the following, and that's Leo's characters. name in Inception. I love the fact that the bullet going backwards in the beginning of Memento is recalled in Tenet. He has these recurring motifs. He has these ideas. He has things that he's obsessed with. And it's kind of awesome because the things that he's obsessed with are things that no one's

ever going to be able to solve or figure out. We're never really going to get our arms around time as an idea. But he is obsessed with time. He's obsessed with memory. He's obsessed with dreams. and he's obsessed with people who try to essentially fix unfixable problems. So if you're going best filmmakers of the last 25 plus years, so we'll go mid-90s on, and it's Fincher and Nolan and PTA, who's the fourth? Well, is Quentin in that? Is Quentin in that group?

Yeah, but he pre-D, he pre-dates them, I guess. I feel like he's a previous generation. I mean, Nolan's obviously, the most successful, without a doubt. I think that the knock against Nolan. I guess Soderberg, maybe? Well, Soderberg, even though, even though,

Soderberg is the 80s, though. Like, I feel like Soderberg is right after Jarmish and Spikely. I know, but I almost feel like Soderberg dies, and then he's rebuilt in 97 with out of sight. And it's almost like Soderberg 2.0 is the fourth guy in that group. Yeah, I wonder like who these, as a stretch four. Right. I wonder who these guys, you think like, who do these guys measure themselves against?

I'm sure those three guys. measure themselves against each other. I do think that there's a lot of competition and playful competition between those guys like one of that half his internet research things is like I guess Teddy's number is the same number as Marla Singer and Fight Club

and it's just like these guys just kind of whether or not they're friends or whether or not they even work with each other but I know that like there is like I know they show each other movies I know that they support each other's work and you can tell that there's some competition but no one is definitely the most significant blockbuster director

since Spielberg, I think. Is it the way I would put it? And the thing that's different about him and the thing that Spielberg has maybe too much of is heart. And that's, I think, the one hurdle for people when they go into his work is that essentially there is something like,

not unlovable, but there's like a lack of warmth in the characters. There's like a lack of, like, relatability to like the characters. They all seem like they're from another planet, whereas Spielberg's characters are all so saccharine and so sentimental in a lot of ways. There's always a kid in danger in a Spielberg movie. All of No one's movies seem to be well-dressed guys avenging their wives' deaths.

Right. Well, The Dark Night is when he peaks. Yeah. And I still feel like that's in the running for best 21st century movie. It's at least in the semifinals. It's when everything came together for him. it's when all the different pieces he has and all these different movies

worked in the most commercial way. I think it's the best start to finish movie he made. And it's only eight years after Momento. He's only been around 20 years. I don't know what the next 10 years are going to look like, but I think Momentos is a really important piece of it. He did not get nominated for an Oscar. Ron Howard wins for a beautiful mind.

Ridley Scott, Black Hawk Down, Robert Altman, Gosford Park, Peter Jackson, Lord of the Rings, David Lynch, Mohawk, and Drive. tough one is Alman. I think that was a career achievement one, but it's,

no one should have been nominated because this movie was so well crafted and put together and so inventive. It's hard to imagine that that wasn't the best five directing things.

Want to talk about Guy Pearce quickly? Yeah, please. We'll go into the casting What Ifs with this. There's a really interesting monkey wrench one.

But I left this movie with Guy Pearce because he's got LA Confidential, what, two, three years before and then this one, and you just think,

like, oh, Guy Pearce is going to be around. Now, 20 years later, he's, you know, the fourth most important character, Mayor of Easttown. I don't know why it didn't totally work out for him in an A-list way. What's your theory? I think Guy Pearce has the kind of career that when we talk about other actors on this pod and we're like, something must have happened to this guy. Right. Like what's up with, like, what's not in the Wikipedia page?

Like the Stephen Dorfiger? But it's like Guy Pearce has that career. But then every seven years is awesome in something awesome. Or every five years is awesome in something awesome. Michael Bean? Yeah, he just works a lot. And I don't know if he always chooses the best material. And I don't know why that is.

But he is definitely very prolific. Like, he's in Australian television shows. He's in HBO miniseries. He's in action movies. He's in indie dramas. But, like, this starting gun with LA Confidential, which pretty much announces him as like the next big leading man, him and Crow.

And then for him to go do Memento, you're basically like, oh, okay, this guy's going to be like a movie star for the next 15, 20 years, right? Do you think he got market corrected by Christian Bale? Well, he got market corrected

within like the Christopher Nolan universe. Like, you know, I mean, like, if you put Christian Bail, Guy Pearce, Leonardo DiCaprio, uh, all in, like, and if you take Pattinson from Tenet, you just put them in a lineup.

It's like, oh, Nolan definitely has a type. He does. Well, Guy Pearce is good in this movie. He's awesome. Carrie Ann Moss is incredible in this movie. And she has this little run here in 99 and 2000 that is almost like looking at

who's the guy in Arizona. Luis Gonzalez, where you look at his IMDB and you're like, oh my God, he had 110 homers in two years? What happened? She's in 99, 2000, the Matrix. Are you saying, saying Carrie Ann Moss was juicing? I think she might have been juicing. juice in here.

She, because she starts out in like models ink. Like she's a TV actress. And then all of a sudden she's in the Matrix. Matrix. She's in New Blood Momento,

Red Planet, and Chocolate in, in the span of like 18 months. And this is like a Famkey, Jansen Rounders, kind of those hardened,

hot woman with baggage parts. And she crushes it. And she's so good in this movie. She also did not get nominated. Terrifying in this movie. Like that scene

where she turns on, on Leonard is like, oh my God, this is just like, this is so tough to watch. It gets, it gets harsh. Best supporting actress that year was Jennifer Connolly, one for Beautiful Mind, Helen Mirren, Gosford Park, Maggie Smith, Gosford Park, Marissa Tomey in the bedroom, Kate Winslet and Iris. That's a rough group. I feel like she could have cracked that.

She could have got one of the Gospords, I think. When was the last Gosford Park conversation? Well, actually, we talked about it on a big picture. I actually like Gosford Park a lot, but that's like a classic, like, there's just too many famous British people in this movie, so they're all going to get nominated. Became a godfather two things. I really liked her. I don't, you know, sometimes this happens with Hollywood where these actresses have these three-year runs,

and then they just kind of get replaced by the next person. Maybe she, I don't know, maybe she had a kid. Maybe she decided to phase back. But I thought she was really, really good in this and important. This one, Oscar nominations for Best Screenplay, Best Editing. Yeah, didn't win, but it got Oscar. nominations. $4.5 million budget made $40 million.

Our guy, Raj, three out of four stars. Of course. This isn't a Raj kind of movie. He loves character, strength of character and plot, and I think that probably broke his brain. But I think he probably appreciated the, like, the Hitchcockian level of, like, formal inventiveness here. He did.

He said after watching Momento twice, he concluded that greater understanding helped on the plot level, but didn't enrich the view. experience. Confusion in this is a state we are intended to be in. He doesn't want to be confused. Yeah. But in my opinion, that's probably the best part of this movie is you're just so disoriented, uncomfortable, and confused the whole time. That's what Nolan wants. He's got you in a yo-yo. So let me ask you, like, did you do any kind of different viewing experiments with watching at this time? Because I think on YouTube before, like, I don't know if they still have it, but YouTube had like a chronological cut of memento. And then you can do it by hand. You basically go to

the end, which is, I think, the... The end is when he pulls up to the tattoo shop. And then you just basically go to the beginning of each previous scene. And that is the quote unquote next scene in the movie. So did you try doing that at all? I didn't do it. I'm not a fan of doing that with movies because they have, remember, they did that with the Godfather, too, where it's the saga and it just starts in the 20s.

I'm just anti. I feel like that's a betrayal of the director and I like movies and I care about movies and I don't want to do it. Okay. But I'm not, I'm not judging. I'm just saying I don't personally like that. Do you think that, like, after seeing it, however many times you've seen it, do you know, like, when Dodd chases him?

Or, like, do you know the order in which, like, he meets Natalie at the bar versus when he goes to her house versus when they go to the diner? Like, because that took me, I actually did have to go backwards to sort of figure that out again. Well, when he, when they have the diner scene, that's sort of at the tail end of his relationship with her, right? Yes.

That's after she's set him up. Right. and at some point all those people pretending to interact with them for the first time and it's just not and he has no idea. Yeah, I get that part.

The Dodd part, it's one of my favorite things about this movie where it just comes in and he's in a chase and he doesn't know if he's being chased or he's chasing the guy. Okay, so what am I doing? I'm chasing this guy.

No, he's chasing me. That's like a metaphor for the entire feeling of watching this movie. Like, I'm chasing this guy. Wait, no, he's chasing me. And they do, no one's talked about this. They did a lot of stuff to keep the audience kind of confused on edge, where it's like every time they show Guy Pearce's character, the camera's closer to him, they're always trying to, when they shift scenes, it's always in the middle of something happening versus the setup of something happening. And the whole goal was just to keep you disoriented.

You're going here, you're going there you're going. And it just never kind of ends. It's relentless. The only other thing I wanted to ask you about is that, I mean, I know that we probably, like a lot of this stuff kind of bleeds together now because of streaming and having so much prestige TV and everything. But the one other thing I thought we could chat about is that feeling that would happen, really like the sweet spot of when we do rewatchables a lot, like, which is like sort of the early 90s through kind of like up through 08, 09 and then maybe a little bit later. But this feeling that you would get sometimes when you would get to go see a movie. and you could tell that the filmmaker was going to be a big deal. Like maybe not the movie you were seeing was going to be the one, but you were like, oh my God, this guy's going to have like a 20 movie career. This is going to be so awesome. And I think that that's gotten a little bit lost because guys and women get drafted into the superhero world so fast.

So you make one movie and then you make a Jurassic Park. But Nolan actually had one of those last really cool progressions where he made like increasingly bigger movies and even sometimes missteps and then he gets to Batman begins and then that goes up in Dark Night and then it goes even higher up in inception and it's like he's always sort of pushing the envelope

I think the only person the most recent person to kind of have that trajectory for me is probably Coogler you know because he starts with Fruitvale and then he does Creed and then he does Black Panther it feels like a little bit more natural although still sped up Cougler is a really good example of that.

Yeah, I was thinking, you know, mid-90s, even pre-Internet, Noah Bomb Back. We did kicking and screaming. But after that movie, it's just like, can't wait. Can't wait to see what the next 20 years are going to be like for this guy. Fincher, I think, was definitely like that. PTA, no question. Yeah, it probably does die in the 2004-5-6 range. and then Coogler, I don't know why, but like Coogler, we almost hired him for 30 for 30

that he was kind of involved with anyway, but he was, you know, an independent director. And then Creed just became a phenomenon. I think that probably shocked everybody. It seems like that's going to be basically the, I mean, you see like the MGM Amazon deal and Amazon just spent billions of dollars to get all these MGM titles that they can mess around with, with reboots and sequels and prequels and side stories and TV adaptations. I mean, I think that the days of somebody coming along that is like Tarantino or something where they make their own universe rather than going to sort of just reinvent Batman or reinvent Spider-Man is probably behind us.

Well, would you say that maybe that drifted to TV? Yeah, it did. It did. But Phoebe Waller Bridge, I think, would have 25 years ago just would have been making these weird independent movies that people would have loved and we would have eventually expected her to make her generations when Harry met Sally or whatever. But Phoebe Waller Bridge did rewrite work on the Bond movie and is remaking Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

You know what I mean? It's not like she's making, I mean, I think that she'll make amazing work, but it's just, it just seems like that's the stuff that's getting made. And you can try and fight against the tie, but it's easier to probably subvert things within the sort of confines of all this intellectual property out there. But Nolan, no one's never, you know, even with Batman, you know, Batman, I think in a lot of ways, there's a lot of people out there who probably when they think of Batman, they think of Heath Ledger and Christian Bale and they think of Dark Knight more than they think of like the comics or the cartoon or the Michael Keaton version of it. It's like that's a generation of people's idea of what Batman is. It's an incredible movie. All right. We're going to take a break coming back. We're into the categories. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here, so celebrate it with fresh, juicy,

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1-800-545-979. All right, you had this idea. I think it would be fun to do. We're just going to, for the first time we've watched this history, the categories are going to be all fucked up. We're just going to go completely out of sequence just to mess with people. First category, who won the movie? You're messing with me too, right.

Nolan. Nolan won the movie. He comes out of essentially nowhere after doing the following. And for $5 million makes a movie that looks better than like 99% of all other films at that time. Nolan wins going away. He put himself on the map in a way that, as you said, was very authentic to the specific era of how movies were made. And even had the whole Soderberg champing him and trying to get other people to see it and the whole thing. casting what ifs. Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt was initially slated to play Leonard. Yeah, he didn't want a movie star.

After Brad Pitt passed, he then retroactively was like, I didn't want a movie star anyway. And then apparently considered Aaron Eckhart and my guy, Thomas Jane, Todd Parker. So do you think that they purposely make Guy Pearce look like Brad Pitt because they didn't get Brad Pitt? I think they make him look like Brad Pitt and Thomas Jane. Jane were genetically cloned as a hybrid baby in a lab and became Guy Pearce. I think Thomas Jane would have been really good in this movie. And I'm still here for the three years when it seemed like Thomas Jane. Yeah, the Janissance when he was in 61 and he was in Deep Blue Sea.

And it just seemed like everything was happening for my guy, Tom Jane. And then I think he had some issues off the field. Eckhart, I can't see it. I have a controversial opinion. I think this would have been an amazing Brad Pitt movie. And I wish he had done it. Astonishing. It would have been great.

It would have caught him at a fantastic point in his career where he's 7 was 95. Then he had the Mito Black where it's like, uh-oh, is this going to happen for this guy? But then Fight Club crushed it. And then if he had had memento right before Oceans 11, I think that would have been perfect. I think this and Moneyball would have been our two favorite Brad Pitt movies. I kind of wish he had done it. do too. Another casting would have Paranoid Android by Radiohead

was going to be used in the crows and credits. Christopher Nolan was all fired up about it. It was too expensive. And it was a low-budget movies. You said it only cost four and a half million and they decided to punt on that. I really wish they had used that. That would have been fucking incredible. Why not now go back

and put it on the digital release? Like go buy Paranoid Android now and make it be the code of music. That's interesting. Is that I mean, does that violate any rules? I don't know. Why can it be like Christopher Nolan's director's cut, but the only change is we put paranoid Android over the ending credits. Yeah, fair.

That's, yeah, nobody's ever done that. That's a good idea. What's age the worst? This movie will never match the experience of seeing it the first time. And that's a unique class of movies where it's just like, look, I don't care. It's one time only. It's almost like the first time you saw a playoff basketball game that you're in person for. You can watch it on TV a hundred times, but it'll never match the first time.

For me, with Momento, it gets built up. You and I both love movies and we're just nerds who are the highlight of our week at that point might be like, oh, cool, there's this awesome movie. I can't wait to see it and then tell my friends about it. And this had this match the hype. This had a lot of hype, heard about it for a while, knew it was unconventional, knew that there was some sort of narrative thing,

didn't really know anything more about it than that. And then you go and you sit in the theater and you get your popcorn and your sour patch kids, whatever you have, and you sit there. And then that voila moment, the last 10 minutes where you're like,

oh. Right. So this guy's a fucking lunatic who's just, there is no second killer. He just wants to, this is just who he is. And it was so good. in the Polaroid who's happy that he killed somebody.

Yeah. It was so good. And I don't think that any subsequent experience can match it. There's movies where, like, you know, the fourth time you watch it, you're like, oh, yeah. And then it falls in a place. When you go back and watch Fight Club with the eye towards Durden's never there, that's one way. When you go back and watch Sixth Sense knowing what happens, that's a way to watch it. Like, you can just sort of be like, oh, they don't look at him.

But with this, I think that there's still, like, look, I think I'm, I'm, I didn't read the right articles online. But do you think definitively that what Joey Pantz says to him at the end is the real story? I personally think it is, but you could also make the case that, you know, there's a, I was going to do it later, but there's a, there's a fun theory that, uh, he's in, he's the guy in the mental institution at the end. Right. Right. Right. That Stephen Toblowski, that's an invention in his mind, and that's really him, and that's a parallel of him. And then they kind of hint at it because they show him a quick shot in the chair for a second.

And then he's in a mental institution, just dreaming this whole thing. They don't really sell that theory, but one of the great things about this movie, you can really kind of come up with whatever your own reality is. I personally think Pants tells him what's going on at the end. Right, right. I mean, I guess there's no incentive. But most characters in this movie, Bert, Natalie, Teddy, all at various points tell Leonard the truth. Because they know that there's no consequences to lie. There's no consequences to scamming this guy.

Yeah. The only other Woods Age is the worst I had is just the guy, Guy Pearce just, if you had his rookie cards after Momento, you took a hit. How are you feeling about Guy on mayor? It's a great question. I'm just not sure why that guy's in nowhere, Pennsylvania, hitting on the former college basketball star or high school basketball star. It doesn't totally add up. He either needs to be 30 pounds heavier or he needs some giant scar across his forehead or something.

He needs to have lost more hair probably. Yeah, there's got to be something a little more wrong with this guy. This is going up on Monday, so I guess the Marathon. Allie will have aired. We don't know like what happens with that character. So maybe we'll be proven and like be surprised or whatever. Man, man. Any other, uh, what's age the worst for you? No, I actually, I thought that this movie remains pretty, pretty timeless. Like, I, I think that there's, I have some possibly unanswerable questions that go towards like it's, it's, uh, it's era. But I don't find anything that's really aged the worst. I think your main thing of being like,

it's hard to replicate the feeling that you got the first time you watched it and maybe the second time once you knew how it went. But watching it like, like Craig was saying before we got on the pie, it's like picking this movie up in the middle is kind of like, it's kind of dizzying. It's sort of, it's like having vertigo. You're like, wait, what the fuck is happening? Recasting couch. So the drug dealer that he hits over the head and the guy is to strip, I wish there was a more famous 2000, 2001 actor. Bill, Bill, Bill. How is this guy not Nikki Kat?

Oh, that would have been good. It is, he looks like Nikki Kat. He acts like Nikki Kat. Nicky Kat was available. He was on the draft board. And no, I just don't understand. It's just like, can you imagine how good that would have been if Nikki Kat shows up at the end of memento?

That would have been great. I had Michael Imperiali. Oh, awesome. Awesome. Because this is like, you still could have got. At this point, he's still just Spider from Goodfellas, and he's on the Sopranos, but he's not like super, you know, it's not super hard to get him yet. The only other two guys I have, and they may have already been in the wilderness by this point, we're either Madsen or Seismore.

Next category. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? Well, yeah. I got kind of excited about that idea, to be honest. So could they do it backwards without people losing their mind? I think that the episodes would have to be a half an hour. I think if it was like a 52 minute or an hour long episode, I think people would kind of just get so frustrated by like feeling jerked around. But I think if you did it in these really kinetic half hour episodes, it would work. I don't think it could have a chronology fucked up going back and forth thing. It can go backwards.

I think if you did it as a 10-epad. The reason I got excited about it was I think you could just ride the short-term memory. This guy is basically a killer for hire for all these different people trying to piece together what's going on. And those are the episodes. But I don't think you can skip around. I think that would be too confusing for TV. What if it was all told from the perspective of Bert,

the guy working at the discount end? Maybe that's the spin-off. It's just all about it's all about Bert. Best That Guy, aka the Joey Pants Award. Do we have to give us a Joey Pants if Joey Pants is in the movie? Craig. Producer Craig. You want a ruling?

Yeah. So if Joey Pants is in the movie, does he automatically get the award? I guess we've never really decided this. Well, did you give the award from when you rewatched a movie that featured Joey Pants? Is that how the award came to be? We haven't always. So I feel like he should just automatically get it, but we should have a runner up who's almost like the college team that if the title gets vacated, that team wins the title. It's like 10 years later, like they give the Sugar Bowl to Auburn because the other team,

Right. Yeah. So, all right. Thanks, Craig. Joey Pants wins, but I think, look, Stephen Tabalowski. Yeah. I don't. I think he's already won this award.

He won it for Groundhog Day. You think he's Steven Tabalowski? Yeah. I would go with either. I feel like he's Groundhog Day. Nobody knows his name other than Me, you, Sean, and five other people. I would go with Mark Boone Jr. who plays Bert, the hotel guy, or Callum James Rennie, who's Dodd, who's also, he was.

in Battlestar Galactica and a couple other things. Well, the hotel guy. Was he in anything else, or is he just the hotel guy? Yeah, he's in, let me look. He's in a bunch of stuff. Because I feel like he's just the hotel guy. Every time I see that Stephen Tabalowski guy, I just go, Phil? Phil.

Yeah, see, I don't think he's Stephen Tabalowski. I think he's Groundhog Day. Phil, Phil? I'll allow it. I got, Mark Boone Jr. has been in a bunch of stuff. He's been around forever. And then he's in Memento. he's in Too Fast, Too Furious.

He's in Carnival. Batman Begins. He's in 30 days of night. He's in Sons of Anarchy for a long time. That's pretty good. All right. That's fair. I'll allow it.

Apex Mountain. Guy Pearce, yes. Yeah. Cary and Moss, probably coming out of the Matrix. Maybe at this moment, you could say, but it didn't really lead to a ton for her. Yeah. So I would say this is Carrie Ann Moss.

apex mountain. Okay. Georgia Fox. So ripping off ER seasons. It's playing the momentum. Wait, when does she go? She goes into CSI after this, right? Goes into CSI after.

Okay. But I think CSI starting right around now. I feel like this is very apex bounding because she basically leaves ER to go to CSI. And she's on the first. CSI started already. So to me, this is, I don't think it's ever been better for Georgia Fox.

Okay. Always enjoyed her, by the way. Very unconventional everything about her career. And they're bringing her back, right? Because they're going to start, they're doing CSI again. Yeah, Peterson needed a new roof. He lives like two blocks for me. Does he need a new roof?

He has really worked on the house in a while. Do you see him around? I've seen him a couple times. It's great. You never go up to him, though? you can't LA you can't break the code you can't go to a guy and just be like I've spent nine hours talking about you recently

what was the movie we said he was second choice for that we just did from 9th goodfellas he was going to be the backup choice to Jimmy Conradish just like hey man good fellas tough beat yeah but he's like I have 11 houses because of CSI I still want to do to live and die in L.A. Maybe if we do you can have him come on the pod We're definitely doing to live and die in LA.

Christopher Nolan, no. Steven Toblowski, no. The discount in, I feel like this was Apex Mountain. When has discounted end ever been more prominent, more important? I can't think of a time. I think it depends on what you're in the market for. Fair. Joey Pants, no.

But it's a really nice run for him. He does the Matrix Memento run too, just like Carrie Ann. I think his Apex Mountain is actually very close to this because he's on Sopranos, I think a year after this movie. And I think that's his Apex Mountain because at that point he's banked a bunch of good movie appearances and then goes right into a really, really, really great Sopranos character. I think that was it for him. Was this the Apex Mountain for Antaro-Great Amnesia? Yes, absolutely. I would say I ask you

Is this Apex Mountain for Amnesia? What are my other candidates? Like in society? Society or just in film? I have film and TV. Really good Kelly Taylor Amnesia Platt, Season 7 and 902 and O. Lost had it?

Yeah. I think it is, man. I'm looking and I just don't see overboard. Hmm. What else do we have? Does Liam Neeson have amnesia an unknown? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, he did. It was a big soap opera gimmick. I used to be a general hospital guy when I was a kid. And somebody would get amnesia like every nine months. He's got amnesia. It's a great device. I wish I would get amnesia.

I've won so many Boston sports titles. I want to know what it's like. You want to go back. Yeah, it's like, oh, man. You want to wake up one day and have somebody re-explained Tom Brady and Mookie Betzen and J. You realize how many titles you want? I'm like, what?

12 titles. Probably in answerable questions. Oh, wait, can I have one more Apex Mountain? Yeah. Tans suits. Not you don't see a lot of those anymore, but I feel like despite the fact that he spends basically a week or whatever living in it, Guy Pearce keeps that suit pretty crisp. Probably in answerable questions.

Was there a second attacker? So this just goes to the Joey Pants question. which is whether or not Joey Pants is telling the truth at the end of the movie to Leonard. Or whether that's like an elaborate story. I think there was not a second attacker. So you do think that Leonard is Sammy Jankis. Yeah. Okay.

And which ties into, did his wife kill herself or did he accidentally kill her with the insulin shots? How do you think his wife died? So was there, but in this version of events, was there an attack at all? I think there is definitely an attack. And then he loses his memory and she's not convinced. So you're saying his wife just kills herself and he makes up the attack. Well, what's the traumatizing event basically that causes his memory loss? I guess that would be an attack on his wife.

It has to be the attack, right? Right. And Teddy is like the cop working the case. And he loses his, he has anterior grade amnesia and starts. But there is, he's convinced that there's not, he's got that sort of Proustian grabbing her thigh memory that's not and he's like that wasn't insulin she didn't take insulin

I go back and forth on it I mean Nolan and it has said the thing that's so amazing is that people refuse to believe Teddy because they find him so so oily yeah irredeemable but you know that essentially why wouldn't he be telling the truth but there are other

points in the story in the movie where Teddy tells Leonard a story that's very elaborate that winds up being bullshit you know like whether it's like I'm a snitch. He's a cop from out of town. He's working with local guys. We're setting up this drug dealer, blah, blah, blah. He tells some pretty long tales. I don't know. I still think I guess I agree with you. I guess that he is Sammy Jankis and that there was an attack on his wife that causes the problem. Do you wish Joey Pants had just played Eddie Mascone in this? Yes. Moscones. You fucking got him.

Just did that whole thing. He's telling me to fuck myself. Everybody's telling me to go fuck myself. I just want to see him running across Grand Central Market to go pick up the phone again. My big probably unanswerable question is just what happens to this movie in the era of mobile phone video.

So what happens when Leonard can essentially create a vlog of himself? Like, couldn't you technically... Maybe that's the Netflix. Maybe that's the Netflix series. I mean, because theoretically, like, he could just have a constant record of stuff and he could just be walking into, it's not that weird to see people walking around filming everything anymore.

So Leonard could essentially, like, film himself in all of these interactions and have that stuff to refer to. That might be a better movie. It might not be as mysterious because he would have this record. Yeah, but I think part of the gimmick would be Leonard would keep forgetting to charge his iPhone. His iPhone was never on. She's like, shit, I didn't charge it. Yeah. We'd have to get him like a moffy, yeah.

Where's my mofie? I thought, do I have a moffy? It's just, it's two hours of him. What's a moffy? Two hours of forgetting. We mentioned the whole thing about, so here's what happens. We see Sammy in a mental institution.

Someone walks in front of him, cuts back to Leonard on the phone, and then Sammy's replaced by Leonard in the chair. which makes people think he's in this mental institution all the time. I just want to mention this. This is an unanswerable question because we don't actually know if he's in a mental institution or not. Here's a good one. Did this movie steal from Mr. Short-Term Memory on SNL?

This was one of Tom Hanks's, Tom Hanks would guest host S&L from the mid-A-D-Discan. Yeah. Yeah. And he, multiple times would play Mr. Short-Term Memory, which they'd be like, he's Mr. Short-Term Memory. And he would be on a date and he'd be like, oh, the chicken parmesan. And then his wife would order or his date would order. And then we'd go back and he'd be like, and I'll have the chicken parmesan. And he's just like couldn't.

And that was the whole gimmick. And I wonder if like no one's brother saw that. Dent of their conversation on their cross-country road trip was just like, you ever seen Mr. Short-Term memory? Yeah, great movie. Let's do it. Great movie. Let's rip that off.

Who knows? My last non-answerable question, why didn't this movie have 10-season? sequels. Okay. Why wasn't this saw? It just could have been short-term memory over and over again. Would you want it to be the Guy Pear sequel or would you want this to be happening to other people?

I don't know, but I just feel like a momento for Super Bowl. A guy's hired to blow up the Super Bowl but has no, has no short-term memory and just repeatedly doesn't know why he's there. I don't know. It just feels like I think Memento too at least should have happened. Yeah. Memento, but set it inside the Patriots organization. Yeah, during Spygate. Choice Hotels get you more of what you value.

Comfort in. It's calling your name. Save on the stay. Oh, and free waffles are yours to claim. Book direct at sourceotails.com. The Vincent Hanna, give me all you got a word for best over thing. I think it's the drug dealer who strips. That was one of the reasons I wanted to be. Jimmy Gams? Yeah. Yeah. He's got to be him. He does. What's age the best?

Okay. One of the first movie websites, Jonathan Nolan designed it. They made it like the Blair Witch project where they had clues and you would go and interact with it, but not really learned too much about the movie. This was a really great era from 99 to 2001 when people were like, we'll use the website to market our movie. I know. And some of it was actually fun. And then it just went sideways and everybody fucked it up and they stopped doing that. Yeah, because there was, because of the lack of of social media, like if you found yourself on that website, there was no way to see what other people thought. So you allowed yourself to like kind of give into the whole project. Right. and yeah, I thought that was an awesome error too.

Intergrade amnesia, I think, is age the best. Sure. How would you know the difference if it hadn't? Many medical experts said it was one of the most realistic and accurate depictions of it in movie or film. I don't know what the other candidates were, but they said it was very realistic. This is apparently a real condition. And it happens. Another one's age the best.

The narrative-you know, Chuck and Coco Puffs, he writes a lot about like, it's not amnesia, but like that sense of forgetting, like, you know, like basically how scared he is to forget things because that like, you know, shrinks his reality. Yeah. I do think that it is, it is kind of like effective to watch this a little bit like 20 years later and think about how sometimes like certain things are not as at like your fingertips the way they were 20 years ago or 10 years ago even. Like you're like, oh man, like I used to be able to name the starting lineup of the 96-6ers and now I can't. You know, And you do kind of like start to feel the character in a different way once you started forgetting stuff in middle age.

Welcome to my world. Two weeks ago, we were talking something about Grantland and you were talking about how we did about last night for four years. And I was like, I just didn't remember that. Didn't remember that we had two writers for it. Not in my brain. Your brain is a nightclub. It could only store so many people. That's right.

The fire marshal moves people at the dust. The bouncer fucking kick stuff out of your brain nightclub. Another one's age the best. The narrator device. Great framing device. As you know, I'm not a huge narrator guy, but it worked really well. And also, they let him improv a lot of that. So they gave him what he had to say, but he improved a lot of that.

Another one's age the best. I love when he comes into the discount in the one time and he pushes the door, but it's a pull door, so he slams into it. Because there's like these little subtle touches like, hey, this guy has no. memory. He literally doesn't know what's going on. That, I love when, uh, when the, the hotel court tries to rent them. Basically, he realizes the guy's rented him two rooms. Like, they do a nice job of subtly reinforcing, hey, this guy, people are taking advantage of him left and right. Yeah. I know that, that, that door scene is great. I think, yeah, there's, there's a couple of moments of,

like, when he panics because of the situation that I find really effective. Like, they, they, they do it really well. Another what stage is the best for me. Carrey and Moss working at the bar. Now when I watch these movies where somebody has a bar, I always think of you in the Goodfellas pod how excited you would be to own a bar someday and how fun it would be.

I was thinking like, you could own the Carrey and Moss bar. Would it be like, what's your... How low would you go for the bar that you would own? Like what kind of... What's the bar for you? I'm trying to think of L.A. Bars. How much of a die bar would you want in L. before you'd be like,

nah, this actually isn't worth it. I think that, like, if there was, like, you know, if it was, like, next to the airport, if it was the kind of, I think, like, the lowest bar I would go to is the bar that O'Shea Jackson Jr. works at in Den of Thieves. Where it's, like, it's kind of shady.

There may be some heists planned in there, but we watch a lot of soccer. Yeah. That, so that's your lowest bar. Yeah, yeah. I would say worst case scenario for owning a bar would be an airport bar. Just like in the airport?

Yeah, you're actually in the airport. It's like, where's your bar? Oh, it's in the airport. It's in Terminal 4. Right. It's like, then you don't really own a bar. You own a stall in the airport. Right.

That would suck. Last, what's the best for me is just, no one talking about how he shot the movie, gets super film nerdy. It's basically above my pay grade. But he shot it in cinema scope with anamorphic lenses. He said, I wanted as clear an image as possible to really put the audience in the league.

character's head. He said very few wide shots, very few long shots, no establishing shots. Yeah, you never know where you are. And then I think that when they would do two-person conversations, so if they're doing Guy Pearce and Joey pants, or if they're doing Guy Pearce and Maas, no one would get the camera closer to Guy Pearce. And it's subtle, but you would feel like very much like this was like you were inside Leonard's head, which is great. My only what's aged the best is tojunga, which I have not spent a lot of time in, but that was like where they shot outside of L.A. And like the valley.

And they did a little bit of shooting on like Victory Boulevard near Burbank. Yeah. I think. And a little bit of Pasadenae, but that grimy kind of like down and out valley where it's like when you're driving through and you're just like, what is great? What's the deal here, man? Yeah.

This is like a glass store and and a bar. I don't know what's happening. Why is there a boxing equipment store? Yeah. I'm like driving past a windshield mart. Yeah. I think Barry's done a really good job with that on the TV show Barry. Just like hitting that side of the valley.

We're always like, who lives here? What's happening here? Why is this story here? Have Fast Internet Research. So we mentioned the story of the idea with the brothers. Took a couple of years to develop. New Market gave it a budget of $4.5 million. And then screened it for a bunch of studio heads in March 2000.

All of whom liked the movie thought Nolan was incredibly talented. but didn't think the film would make it because it was too confusing. Soderberg does his whole thing. New Market says, fuck it. We'll distribute it ourselves. They get to 500 theaters. They make $25 million domestic. And then they sell the international rights.

And Harvey Weinstein, who was one of the people who passed on it, tried to buy it, couldn't get it, probably through a tantrum. Fuck that guy. So you got that. On the limited edition DVD, you can watch the movie chronologically, if you didn't know. Chris said it's on YouTube. So during Teddy's line where he says, you don't have a clue, you freak.

Nolan felt like Joey Pants didn't nail the line, so he recorded himself. So the you freak part is actually Nolan saying that. Not Joey Pants. Oh, wow. And then that's, we covered everything else.

Dionne Waiter's Award. It's a good one. Tarrion, Kass, not eligible. Okay. I'll accept that. I'm going with the discount in front desk guy. What about coked up escort? Oh.

She does a nice job. Blake, she sells it, sells it, you know? Over, over our front desk guy? No, I'll go. Let's go with Bert. Let's go with Mark Boone Jr. That he's solid. I like when he gets caught in the lie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I thought he had a nice vibe to him. Give the prostitute, second one. All right, I think we hit everything. We can go. This is harder than you thought to go backwards, isn't it? Oh, what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

I'm going with the first Polaroid, the one he's holding the camera at the beginning. I wouldn't mind taking the jag. That's cool. Would you, with the window blown out? Sure. You know, I go to somewhere in weird Burbank and get the window fixed. You always cheat with these things and go for like whatever the most expensive thing you could get out of the movie is. You're like, I'll take the Dolorian.

I didn't know it was a competition. Jesus. All right. Last category. Most rewatchable scene. We've come all the way around. Okay, so when Bill initially said, let's do Memento, I was on the mall for it, then I watched it. And I was like, fuck, there are no scenes.

Yeah. Now, rewatching it, I have some nominees. But this movie is essentially two sequences intertwined, right? Like, there's the black and white. and then there's the color. But you could go ahead first if you want. I wrote down Lenny kills Teddy at the top. I think the first six minutes of this movie are really good.

So just the way it starts and then him actually killing him, you're like what's going on, knowing from a rewatchability standpoint where this is going, it's really kind of cool to watch that scene because you're trying to piece together all these things. Clue, you freak. beg my wife's forgiveness before I blow it. your brain's out.

Leonard. You don't know what's going on. You don't even know my name. Teddy. That's because you read it off a fucking picture. You don't know who you are. I'm Leonard Shelby. I'm from San Francisco.

That's who you were. I'd you become such a mouth. You want to know, Lenny? The first Karen Moss scene in the diner is really good. I think she's really good in it. You know what we have in common. We're both survivors. But when you watch it,

knowing what she did to him. Yeah, fourth, fifth, seventh, ninth time. It's a totally different kind of thing. So you have information for me. Is that what your little note says? Yeah. Must be tough living your life according to a couple of scraps of paper. You mix your laundry list with your grocery list and you'll end up eating your underwear for breakfast.

I guess that's why you have those freaky tattoos. I like when he finds the guy in his closet. Yeah. I like when he's in the middle of a shootout not knowing what's going on. I just think that part's really smart. The Carrion Moss flipping out on him. Not the most rewatchable scene in the world, but really great,

a really great scene. But it also, I think, is the most clear example of what are his limitations. So, you know, when you watch that scene, I guess you can watch it forwards and backwards, but when she hides the pens, it's like, oh my God,

this guy's so fucked, you know? And then her doing the, like, you know, you're white, like going after. his wife and stuff like that, getting him to hit her and then coming in and being like this other guy hit me. It's just such a

great piece of like an inverted way of looking at that character how she's traditionally played in other detective stories. Write this down what happened. What happened? What does it look like? He beat the shit out of me. Who?

Who? Fuck Leonard. Dodd. Dodd beat the shit out of me. And when she flips out on him, there's so much going on. there. But really, she's kind of tired of the guy. And it's almost like, you don't have dogs. I don't. I feel like dogs are the real life momento where dogs are, you could leave. I could leave to go get a coffee. And my dogs don't know if I've been gone for five minutes or 17 days. And you come back and

you're back. You've come back. I'm like, I just left seven minutes ago to get a coffee. Like, why are you I was so excited. They just can, and you can kind of fuck with them in that way, right? It could be like, I'm going to go out to my car to get something. I'm going to lock the door like I'm leaving. And you come back and like, well, you came back. This is amazing. But the reverse of that is true.

Like people with dogs have like dedicated Instagram accounts and like all this like elaborate stuff for their dogs. And yet their dog does not know who they are. And their dogs are just complete idiots. They're just like to your dog. You feed them. You pet them and you take them outside. But the reverse of that is, you know, you can really fuck with dogs in a bad way because they're so stupid.

Carian Moss is like- You'll get fired by the ASPCA here, Bill. No, I'm not saying I did. I'm saying you could in the wrong hands. And Carrie and Moss in the wrong hands with Momento guy is just this one day where she's like, I'm just going to be as mean as I possibly come to this guy. He won't remember 50 minutes later. It's brutal to watch.

That scene is tough. Yeah. And then the diabetes reveal with Lenny's wife, Teddy telling him you lie to yourself to be happy, we all do, and all of that. I think the last 20 minutes of this movie are really, really, really rewatchable. So you lie to yourself to be happy. There's nothing wrong with that. We all do it. Who cares if there's a few little details you'd rather not remember.

What the fuck are you talking about? I don't know. Your wife surviving the assault. Are not believing your condition. the torment and pain and anguish tearing her up inside the insulin that's sammy not me i told you about sammy yeah basically like when leonard goes off in his flannel is and the and the transition from black and white to color is probably the most rewatchable scene with the killing of of jimmy and then teddy's reveal last category picking nits i mean i'm not smart enough to really pick nits are you i have one

you could argue Teddy should just kill Lenny. Yeah, that whole thing. Because Lenny's so crazy that Lenny's talking himself into finding some sort of scapegoat. And if I'm Teddy and I'm just trying to survive, I'm like, all right, enough with this guy. It's nice to have like a hired gun that I can, you know, sick on people. But at the same time, I am now in danger. I'm just going to kill this guy. The idea is that basically like Teddy wants to keep Leonard on the rope because he knows in 10 minutes

Leonard's going to forget what just happened. but the whole movie revolves around him trying to get to the cash in the trunk of the jaguar for the most part. So I do think that Teddy could have taken the express lane to just, yeah, killing him and taking the car keys. Yeah. Well, then we wouldn't have had momentum.

I know. All right, I think that worked. We completely fucked with our rewatchables format. We have to keep it fresh for ourselves, you know? Yeah. We challenge ourselves. It was like, you know, it's like sometimes we're both married. Sometimes you just have,

have to put on women's clothes just to, no, I'm kidding. Producer Craig, did we pull that off? Yeah, a tight hour. Well done. Oh, good. Craig's happy. This podcast was produced by Craig Horlebeck. Oh, you got the last name.

Nice. Yeah. Chris Ryan. So I'm not afraid to say what we have coming in a week. Oh, good. I'm glad because people get, like, I think people get so excited to get prepared for the pods. Let's do it. It's the 40-year anniversary of a little movie called Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Oh, hell yeah. And we will be doing that next week, me, Chris, and Sean. So you have a week to watch. We've been doing action movies here basically all year. It's the first great modern action movie in a lot of ways. It's not an action movie like Predator or Leitha Weapon, stuff like that. But it's the first. modern action movie. So it's a tiny bit slow, but slow in a great way. It belongs in a museum

in the best possible way. It is just an all-timer, and it's time to do it. The 40th anniversary is the perfect time to do it. So you have a week to watch it, and then you can hear us do Raiders of the Lost Ark in one week. Chris, Craig, thanks to you. See in a week.