The Rewatchables - Miami Vice: Calderone’s Return (Part 1 + 2)

Episode Date: September 7, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan put on their white linen suits and head to South Beach to rewatch the two-part episode “Calderone’s Return" from Season 1 of ‘Miami Vice,’ starring Don Johnson and Philip Michael Thomas. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Coming up, Miami Vice, the TV show, Calderon's Return with me and Chris Ryan. Here we go. All right, let's go. Miami Vice now on DVD. Men for Miami. You guys are just the time, man. Hi, I'm Honey. It's a great feeling.

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You're kidding. The women. The cars. The action. When it comes to Vice, you can't resist. Miami Vice. Available now on DVD. I love it. What are you trying to say, pal? Let's check it out. All right, Chris Ryan is here. Every once in a a while, you know, we do one for them, one for them, one for them. Everyone, once in a while, it's a one for us. This is the all-time one for us. It's ridiculous that we're doing this. This is a television show that came out 37 years ago. It's the first time we've ever done a television show as a rewatchable. It might be the only time. And yet, I feel like the two-part Calderon's return, which is the fourth and fifth episodes of season one of Miami Vice, one of the

great TV shows of all time. Basically is one of the best mid-80s, movies. To me, it's like no different than Manhunter or some of the other ones that came out. I've watched it as many times as those movies, if not more. I've seen this so many times that I know most of the lines, which is weird, and it still holds up. Chris, Miami Vice, is this the first prestige drama? I mean, some people would probably argue that some of those other shows like saying elsewhere and Hill Street Blues were there. But I would argue that Miami Vice is the first truly

80s drama, and it's the first TV show that incredibly, like, totally incorporated cinematic techniques into television. I watched when Ed Asner died recently and he did that incredible Mary Tyler Moore won a couple of Emmys,

got nominated for a couple more. And then they spun it into Lou Grant, which was a newspaper drama. And I was like, Lou Grant, I don't really remember that one. I went on YouTube and I watched like the first three minutes. And it just felt like it was a 70s show, right? And that's like Hill Street Blues felt that way, San Eliswere felt that way.

There was a certain way TV happened. And Miami Vice is the turning point. Miami Vice comes out. It is still looks like it could go now. I mean, there's some 80s cheesiness, but for the most part. Some of the stunts, but for the, but like the cinematography and the locations and the look and the editing is, you could put it out today.

Yeah. It's some of the best like music videos, anybody shot in that. decade and it just looks modern, which is crazy because it's 37 years old. I feel like I've been watching this forever. What's funny, I made Craig producer who had never seen my advice. I made him watch the pilot, then there's two more episodes, and then there's Calderon's return, which is two parts. So basically, if you watch the pilot and Calderon's return, it's three hours total. It's the blueprint of how a Netflix series would go now. I think a Netflix series would

string it out longer. But Calderon versus these two guys. The season one of a Netflix series, though. Yes. I would, but let's just for a second take a step back. It's the mid-80s. It's NBC. It's Friday nights.

And they launch a show with a one and a half hour, I mean, two-hour first episode. Was it basically a movie? Yeah. Then they do two episodic episodes, one which features Ed O'Neill as a federal, an FBI agent who's in too deep with a porn ring in Miami. Then they do Calderon's Return, which is another two-hour movie.

So essentially, and then during Calderon's Return is when they announced that Miami Vice would have a full season. Like nobody really knew what was going on. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. So it's just like, think about how, this isn't like a Netflix thing where it all goes up at once. Like this was on national, like a major network and they did basically two movies to

launch a show on TV. Which had never happened before. I don't even think they had had a two-hour show to launch a TV show before. And I remember watching the pilot because my mom was all excited about it for some reason. So we watched it. It was a Friday night. I'm probably in like, I don't know, ninth grade, tenth grade, whatever. And it was like watching a movie.

And it was like, wait, so we have to wait another week to get these guys back. And you look at that season one. I would compare it. I always like to compare stuff to basketball in this podcast. I would compare this show to when Bill Russell comes into the NBA and brings this whole new dimension of like athleticism, jumping, being around the rim, defense, just things. And people are like, what's this?

That was Miami Vice. Miami Vice is go back on YouTube, go watch a St. Elsewhere's episode, go watch Hill Street Blues, go watch the White Shadow, go watch Lou Grant, why, Cagney and Lacey. These shows feel like they happened a million years ago. And this show doesn't. And it introduces all these things and takes advantage of this really kind of awesome pop culture.

84 is one of the best pop culture years of all time. But the music videoization that really starts two years before, but by 84's in full bloom. And this is the first TV show that's like, how do we tap into that? How do we have entire four-minute scenes where it's just guys driving? And it's guys stopping at a phone booth

to call their ex-wife and ask if it was real. And then they hop back in the car and keep driving. And nobody had done that before. And I think that's why we both revere this show would be my number one guess. So there's a couple of different versions of the creation of Miami Vice. I mean, there are different people

who have different hands in it. But one of them is this version that Brandon Tarticoff, who is this revered network executive at NBC, just came up with an idea that was MTV Cops. And that that was the sort of germ of the idea in Anthony Yercovic

who had worked on Hill Street Blues, wrote a pilot, but then man comes in. And man kind of synthesized, sizes everything and brings his own experiences and his own sensibility obviously to the to the to the show. And I do think it when you look back on it, it is like music video work in some ways. There is some stuff that reminds you of that. But I think it's kind of singular. And man did too. I mean, even when you're talking about the use of music in this show, the scene you're talking about where Crockett calls his ex-wife from a phone booth. This is in the pilot, not in the pilot episode.

and this is the famous scene because Phil Collins in the air tonight is playing. So normally you would just be like these guys are driving around and Phil Collins is playing. The editing is timed to the music. It's like cut to the music. And when Crockett calls his ex, Caroline, and he's like, was it ever real between us?

The part of in the air tonight where Phil Collins goes, remember, punches in while he's calling his ex-wife and asking if it was ever real. So like they were mixing music into the narrative fabric of the show and also using it as this whole other like palette, a color in their palette to make the whole experience. Yeah, I would say there's probably six different extended music scenes in Vice in season one that are the best music videos of the 80s

along with like, you know, five other choices. But that scene from the pilot, we see the Ferrari driving. That's the first long extended Ferrari. It's the first time Tubbs and Crockett just kind of glance at each other. And then there's a lot of unspoken stuff with those guys. The phone booth, the big glowing diner sign in the background and Crocket getting out. And he's just like, I'm going to call my wife and just make sure it was real before I see if I got shot. Did you do that to your wife before you got out of the phone with a Peyton Manning? No. Drive it to the airport. I might get shot. I might not. I just want to see if it's real. And then she does that you bet it was. Yeah. And then the hang up. And then the drums kick in.

And it's just like there'd been nothing like that on TV anymore before. I wrote down a bunch of stuff that I think the show invented. And look, we're not doing, this might be the only TV show we ever do on the rewatchables, but I really do feel like the parallel to the show is movies, not television. This is all stuff at events. I don't think any show before 1984 holds up. And I say that, it hurts me to say that because I was there for most of them. But even a show like Cheers, which I think is really great.

It's still really slow and it feels old. The clothes are old. You feel like you're in 1982 when you're watching it. You don't really feel like you're in, I mean, granted, it's cartooning and some of the outfits and stuff, but there's a modern feel to this show that's rooted in the 80s, but also kind of makes sense in 2021 in a weird way. So I think this is the first TV show that is actually still watchable for people like producer Craig. So you got that. I think it invented the multi-episode hook. where you have characters come in

and then come back later in the season, like Calderon did. Right. I don't think that had happened before, right? Yeah. No, I mean, I don't know did that happen on like Dynasty or Falcon Crest or I mean, there's soap opera stuff, but not like stuff that you could have just pulled out

four episodes and it could have been a three-hour movie. We mentioned the MTV influence in the music, but you also have Jan Hammer and you have, you know, probably the most important soundtrack theme song thing of the 80s. Do you remember for that first time you watched it, what it was like when the theme song kicked in? Yeah, because I don't, I don't remember that, but I remember the theme song was number one as a song. Think about that. It was the number one song. During an era where

there's like Michael Jackson and Louis and Bruce Springsteen, it was the number one song. This show was literally a phenomenon. I think it invented the montage. And this is a key thing both Sergei Eisenstein kind of invented the majortage, but I get, for TV shows where it's like, they're kind of telling you the backstory with this really cool. How many times do we see Tubbs, like watching his brother get shot, holding, you know, bending over him. All the flashbacks.

With like the music and you're getting chills watching it. I think the show invented charismatic bad guys. Called the Rhone, like the Dennis Farina as Lombard, the Bruce Willis in the no-exit episode where he's this white. beating arms dealer. Like, we didn't, they were bad guys, but they were just bad guys. They weren't like parts that actors would want to play. And these were like star making parts.

Like Bruce Willis, this was the first break you ever had. Episode 7. The show reinvigorated Miami. I mean, Scarface probably started it as like a location for Hollywood. But it even was reinvigorating literally. Like they were redoing parts of the downtown for the show. And it was supposedly like South Beach and some of these places that became, places you would start visiting in the mid-90s.

It kind of starts here with the show. The crew of stars and guest stars were great. I think the show invented the slow motion, no! And the cradowing a dead body and looking up distressed, like two things done. Clothes outfit, the general look, the colors, stubble.

Don Johnson's credited with inventing stubble. Like they started selling stubble raisers after the show much. Nobody had even thought about that. before. I think Johnson's one of the great TV leads of all time in this show. And I think Tubbs is one of the great second bandas ever. And then the last thing is just cops with pseudonyms. Oh, just cops with... Crockett's Burnett, Sunny Burnett, forever. Nobody puts two and two together. I don't remember seeing that in the show. Anything else jumps to mind for you? Things this show invented? I mean, I think that what it invented more than anything was the idea of

pushing the limits on what you could do with the medium. So, like, they were always up against their schedule. Because, like, when I read this amazing, Emily Benedict wrote a 1985 Rolling Stone feature that's, like, on the set. It's awesome. And she's basically following them along on the production of a week. And there's this scene where, like, the producer, one of the producers of the show is basically in a Miami hotel.

He's got two phones up to his ear, and he's running a production meeting. and they're essentially overseeing the shooting of one episode, the editing of another, the scoring of another. They're like going, going, going. They're working 14-hour days. It sounds like, you know, not unlike most man productions are really grinding, grueling. And they did 20 episodes. But essentially, every week, they're trying to push the limits of what people had ever seen, what standards and practices would allow them to put up. And I don't know, I mean, you would have to tell me, but this just really seems like the part point where television starts like pushing the envelope a little. it kind of dissipated a little after Miami Vice and some of the air goes out of Miami Vice, especially after man leaves. But, you know, even you were saying after episode, after season one, maybe that doesn't come back until Oz. I don't know. I mean, where, where you're like,

I've never seen something like this on television. I didn't know you could do this on television. Yeah, the next time I remember the same feeling was NYPD Blue, which was 10 years later, basically. But that was the David Caruso character and the way they pushed the envelope and, they're showing people's butts and there was a couple of swears and it just felt more modern than any show I'd seen but you look back I mean this is the Emmys Miami Vice was nominated for outstanding drama didn't win Cagney and Lacey wins the other nominees were Hill Street Blues murder she wrote and saying elsewhere that's just where we were drama series you know like people who got nominated fame um you saw Hill Street Blues Remington steel trapper John MD like

These are like old shows. Yeah. And Miami Vice just felt like it came out of the moon. And then you had, so it had a couple other things. Like, if you have a show that becomes a hit, it needs to hit. There needs to be some trend stuff with it. You need to strike oil with a star that nobody's seen before, which happens here with Don Johnson. Don Johnson, I think when you talk about...

He's 35 now at that point, right? He'd bounced around. You kind of knew who he was, but he had never found the right wall. When you talk about like, instant out of nowhere TV phenomenons, especially in the 80s, he's got to be one of the first people mentioned. Like Ted Danson and Cheers was like this,

even though you kind of knew him from Body Heat. Michael J. Fox and Family Ties, like immediately it was a star, Bruce Willis and Moonlighting. But the difference back then is like an incredible amount of people are watching TV. Like the cable really hadn't kicked in yet. We still only had a few cable channels.

So Miami Vice could be on a Friday night and get, you know, 20 million people for an episode or 15 million people. And he just was massively famous. And pretty quickly you started to wonder, how long is this guy going to be in a show? Right. Is this guy just going to be a movie star?

What's going to happen with this? I think that also, like, you know, he was the kind of, he was manufactured into somebody and then he, like, wasn't he kind of like Caruso-esque and that he seemed uneasy with, like, both like the direction of the show, but also his celebrity? Like, he was a kind of, like, bad boy, right?

Yeah. And after the second year, he tried to leave to go make movies, and NBC just backed up the Brinks truck to keep him. It actually is probably better off if he leaves. I think there's some good lessons about Miami Vice in general, a show that really flamed out way faster than it should. And part of it was probably because Michael Mann left, but they did way too many episodes, right? They did 112 episodes of five years. They should be doing like 13 a year because these were all basically movies. they never added to the cast,

which I always thought was a really fascinating lesson for shows that, you know, you look at a show like The Sopranos, the Sopranos was always adding. You know, they're adding Richie O'Prio, they're adding Joey Pants. You're out, there's characters, they would always add to the core.

They would keep like the three or four, but add around it with new people that would come and go. And my advice never did that. They had the same two guys with the same like four sidekicks, basically for the entire run of the show, which was a huge mistake.

Edward James almost joins in the episode after Calderon's return too. And pretty much that's it, right? That's it. That's it the rest of the way. An incredible lineup of guest stars. But that's the thing is like we have to kind of like, I mean, if anybody younger who hasn't seen this show is checking it out,

like if you watch episodes after Calderon, you see essentially what TV was like, which was guest star who's the bad guy. They would basically have a case of the week and it would end in a shootout. Yeah. And there would be really cool episodes and really cool moments

and they did other two-parters and there's smugglers blues and there's golden triangle and stuff like that. There's really good episodes in the first season. But this was the most like movie-like

where it was, it wrapped up Tubbs's revenge plot. It had all this stuff to it. It got, you know, Sonny gets revenge for, for Lou. So it's like,

it has like a, it's almost a self-contained story. And that was so, it's so unique to see that. Yeah, yeah, I can't even compare it to anything. And there's great episodes after this.

Like Evan is probably my favorite single episode. Lombard, no exit. There were some good ones. The Golden Triangle is a great two-parter. But the Colorado's return is iconic because the callback to the pilot. And then the real reason we're doing this is this is our guy, Michael Mann, who's our favorite rewatchables director. And at some point, we'll end up doing every single thing he's ever done.

I think we've done a lot of them already. There's not a lot left. we've done Miami Vice, we did Thief, we did Last the Mohicans, we did Heat twice. Manhunter. We did Manhunter. We did collateral. And collateral. But this was the one where this show was so inventive.

And even though he wasn't the creator, Anthony Yerkovich was, he was willfully responsible for the look, feel, and just how methodical this show was. And once he goes away, the show's never the same. He creates the visual Bible for the show. I mean, to read the articles about Miami Vice at the time and just to kind of read about it now, it sounds like everything you see on the screen, everything you hear is essentially like at least signed off by, by man, if not like actually dictated by man. Yeah. And you text to me, this was this Calderon's return is basically a dry run for Manhunter.

The first part is like there's just like you can just see. And we talked about this. I think we talked about this mostly with thief, but we like this is a guy who returns to themes, he returns to images, he returns to situations, environments over and over and over again. And in some ways, you feel like man has just been chasing the perfect platonic version of certain ideas he has in his head throughout his 40-year career, you know, it's going to be 50 years. He has been chasing this for his whole career. But when you watch Calderones Part 1 and you see Sunny and Caroline at the safe house at the beach and the kids playing in the sand and they're talking

about their relationship, that's in Manhunter two years later. Right. Like that isn't the very, like the same images, like maybe not the dead tree or something like that or some of the framing, the extreme framing that they do. But the vibe, the color palette, it's all the same. So this gets nominated for 15 Emmys, only wins four, loses to Cagney and Lacey for drama. He must have been a really strong Cagney and Lacey here. I don't really remember it. Don Johnson loses to William Daniels, who was

the blowhard on saying elsewhere, who was considered to be a really good actor at the time, but I don't think his age well. Edward James almost wins for a supporting actor. And then Yerkevich lost for writing the pilot. We should mention this before we get to the categories and all that stuff. I mean, the real reason, other than man and the look and all the innovations and just how this show was in the zeitgeist and is like the perfect kind of. 80s piece of pop culture property.

The Crockett Tubbs thing, it's still one of my favorite partnerships. It really is. It's just great. They're different. They complement each other. Tubbs brings so much unintentional comedy. Crockett's so cool.

Sunny Crockett's still probably my favorite detective, TV or movies. He really is. I think he's number one. And Philip Michael Thomas, who was basically, there's a great people magazine piece. He's on the cover of People magazine in 85. He was the one who created the EGOT. He had a necklace with EGOT on it. And he's like, I'm going to win an Emmy, a Grammy,

an Oscar, and a Tony. And this guy was never heard from again after by M. There's just an amazing part of the Rolling Stone feature where like whenever Philip Michael Thomas isn't on set, he's trying to get studio time to work on his music. And that, and it's sometimes Johnson goes into the studio with him and works on it. Johnson also had a miss-beon singing. He made heartbeat with Barbara Streisand. Yeah. That's right. That's right. So, yeah, absolutely. There's this really great, it really lasts up probably to maybe the mid-90s, anything pre-internet or people just weren't self-aware, but the height of it was the 70s and the 80s. And this is why I love the old battle network stars reruns and stuff. The guys are just, nobody's ever made fun of these

celebrities. They're completely unself-aware. And they just do. And they just do. and say crazy things. And you have Philip Michael Thomas who like genuinely felt like he was going to be the biggest star in the world. I think he thought he was going to be Michael Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I'm Michael Jackson crossed with, I don't even know who Denzel Washington is yet, but I'm him too. Right. But the two of them, the chemistry they had together was the key to the show. And even like when the show started to fall apart and you get to like season five, Crockett gets amnesia, which is a really strong three-parter actually when he gets amnesia and becomes convinced he's a bad guy.

And then he shoots Tubbs. And it's just like, those guys had been through a lot. They've been through a lot in 112 episodes. But the whole concept of two detectives who have been together for a while, I love it. And I think it's an essential theme for movies, right? It's like why we love Taggart and Rosewood or whoever. He's from New York. Tubbs is from New York.

And these early episodes still lean on that because he's still like the fish out of water in Miami. And Crockett's got a fucking alligator and is living on a houseboat and wearing tank tops. But it's so cool. You get to find out like Crockett used to play football at University of Florida. Like there's like all these like really awesome

like little wrinkles. I wanted to ask you a little bit about so like this, when this show came out, it was Friday nights, right? Because I only remember the first season or any of it really from sneaking onto the landing

at my parents' house like up the top of the stairs from my room and watching it from above, from down above the living room because my parents would put me to bed at when I was, eight or seven or whatever. But I remember it like being like my parents were like it's time for

Miami Vice. You have to go to bed. Oh, wow. It's like an adult show. Yeah. And I'm reading about it, it also seems like this was like a slow burn. Like it was, you know, it wasn't even like maybe even the top 30 Nielsen ratings in its first season. So it was like a little bit because it was hard, you know, it was on nights that most people were out. It was the summer reruns were what, what pushed it over the top. Okay. That's what it was. That by, That was when, I think it was like critically beloved and it did okay. But Friday nights were still really competitive. I mean, that was when Dallas was on and all these different shows.

So I think it was a little bit of a counter programming thing. And then it became a phenomenon. By the time they did the season two premiere, which Pam Greer was on, it was on. Johnson was one of the biggest stars in the world. The other thing I wanted to ask you was you were talking about the trends. And it definitely still has like an incredible amount of influence over the way. I think at least people like us think of Miami, people of our age.

No question. But did Miami Vice's trends make it into the Northeast? Like, did guys start wearing pastels? I have a couple photos from weddings in the mid-80s where the answer would that to be, yes. I'll put one up on Instagram, the white linen thing. I mean, they created a whole look. Nobody had ever seen it before. These Armani, these linen Armani jackets that create.

Crocket was wearing with no socks and with tank tops. Yeah, tank tops and whole thing. What a show. When we come back, we're going to do the categories for Calderon's return, part one and two. Maybe the only TV episode we'll ever do on the rewatchables. This episode is brought to you by Viori. Look, I'm not a big, let's hype up workout clothes guy, but Viori, I got to say, total game changer. Been wearing a lot. If you see me power walking around Los Angeles, probably going to see me wearing some Viori. Sunday performance. straggers that they have. It's made with four-way performance stretch fabric. One of the most comfortable things you own. You will wear them everywhere. I promise. All you have to do is go to Viori.com slash simmons and you get 20% off your first purchase with Viori. V-U-O-R-I-D-com

slash simmons. Enjoy free shipping on all U.S. orders over $75 plus free returns. Exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. All right. So quick recap of these plots. Part one and part two are so different, which is why I love it as a two-part. It's basically too complete. It's a movie that just does this crazy fork about halfway through. And now all of a sudden we're in like cocktail with Tom Cruise basically. Right. With Jimbo and the Bahamas.

Oh, Jimbo. We're going to get to him later. First one, Crockett's gone through a divorce. Now he's not. Nope, no, he's back with his ex-wife. But what he doesn't realize is there's an Argentinian hitman. out to kill him. So most rewatchable scenes. So first one for me is Crockett's divorce falling through all the way through the limo massacre with our guy, the Argentinian. So many, so, such good Crockett

in this. Well, our divorce was a bigger failure than our married. Just some great one liners. He's just smoking constantly. There's cigarettes everywhere. He smokes lucky strikes all the time. It's amazing. And then even though I'd seen the limo massacre a million times, I thought of you because that's really everything. thing Chris Ryan wants from an action scene. That also, I wonder if they invent, well, I know, I guess Godfather invents it, but like the sick driver as the tip off that somebody's about to get hit. I love he gets the thing. He takes the break with the, he's got an elephant gun, takes a breath, turns around, and just

starts blowing everybody away. And then that poor security guard comes up to him. And he does the Mozambique technique and does the two shots to the chest, one of the head, takes that guy out. The Wayne Grove special. The Argentinian, unbelievable. Next rewatchable scene, when they bust Linus Oliver, who has an incredible performance, he's the big drug dealer in part one.

And he has the lines like, you infringed with my constitution? Then they find the suitcase. Finders keepers. I say we let the brother go. Hey, why not? Save the taxpayers, room service, and lending bills. Hit the bricks, Linus. Find his keepers.

Hey, no, you keep it. We don't want it. Eight to five, Linus is history by midnight Wednesday. I'll take it. I say he makes it to Thursday. And then we have them outside. At this point, Crockett knows who's on a hit list. He's kind of glancing around nervously to see who's in windows.

That whole scene is just excellent. Yeah, with the guy coming up to him behind him with his cigarettes. Yeah. You dropped this. Everything's great. Next one. This is also in part one when, they realize after the I'm so excited

Tush montage, which we'll get to later, they realize they have the wrong guy. They thought they caught Mendez. They realized he's not the assassin. Tubbs pulls off some of the best overacting he's done really in season one. He's going after number eight. He's going after Sunday.

Gina. Gina! And then all of a sudden we kick into Russ Bauer in the night. Oh my God. No close-ups of Tubbs, just Tubbs driving a Daytona, a Ferrari Daytona, 100 miles per hour through Miami. Tubbs really never got to drive the car, so I was happy for him. You know, Crockett was usually driving it.

Crocett's driving a station wagon with his kid. There's a lot of, in the pilot and then in this two-parter, a lot of weaving through wet streets. They did. Michael Man, I think he invented the wet streets and just red light, people running red lights without a collision. and just going 130 miles an hour. And then Crockett goes in to, he goes and gets his family, brings him back because they think the assassin's dead.

And he notices the coffee and the donut spilled on the floor. Shootout. Tub shows up. I'm here. He's in the dining room. Yeah. And they finally take down. Jumping over the wife and kid was a really great moment.

That whole scene is lights out. That's all. And that also, I mean, we were talking about Manhunter. That shootout is basically like the dry run. for the Manhunter shootout at the end of the movie. It is such a Michael Mann scene.

It feels very Michael Manny. And then the ending of this, they find out Luz Dead. Crockett's in the car. They finally broke Mendez down. Calderones in the Bahamas. That's only 60 miles away. How long will it take you to get ready?

I'm always ready. Boom, drive off to be continued. Right. And you're watching at home like, wait, what? To be continued. Dude. We're coming back. What?

It's great stuff. All right. A couple more from part two. This is just going to be my pick, I'm telling you now. Tubbs getting the confession out of Mendez with the glass. Yeah. The Luz replacement. I heard this call to room.

I'd have had something to do with the brother's death. Long pause. Philip Michael Thomas smoking it. Heard something from Milch over division last week. that this Calderon was responsible for your brother's death up in New York. And then we kick into voices with Russ Bauer, one of the great underrated 80s songs. I can't wait to get to voices, but what do you think the deal is with the guy who's in between Rodriguez and Castillo as the lieutenant? He's like, Jim Boilin.

Do you think he's like, is this my part? Did I get it? Yeah, exactly. He's like the one night Jacques Vaughn gets to coach. And he's just like, I got the job. He can't even get there. He's got like a 25-second model. He can't even get through it.

I feel like that was like a teamster or something. And they were like, why don't you come here and be the lieutenant? Somebody called in sick. That is like to me, like if you're going to show somebody, like what was this show? I would just show them Tubbs versus Mendez with the glass. Really shot in such a cool way for TV back then. Looks great now with the HD because they use real cameras. Then the you heard right with this evil synthesizer behind it.

The John Carpenter Shins. And now we're just watching these guys on a speed. boat for three minutes. And it's like, you know what we should add to the speedboat? How about a looking backwards montage of all the carnage that has just happened? And now we get to relive all the. It's just brilliant. It's so good.

So they basically, they're on the go fast boat, on the cigarette boat across to, you know, down to the Bahamas. This song, this is the most 80s song ever is playing. And they are doing these flashback montages of everything that happens in Brothers Keeper and Calderome part one. And then, so you have a three-minute musical sequence, and then the credits happen. Yeah, let me get the Miami Vice theme song. If we were watching it and TV at home, it would have been probably, what, eight, nine minutes without any dialogue?

Yeah, it's six to a half minutes. The music, the credits, and then a commercial, right? It's six to half minutes. And the reason I looked for that because when we talk about groundbreaking stuff, like every TV show started this. same way. It started with the credits. Right. And the credits were always at least a minute. They were always way too long. Go watch the Lou Grant credits are the craziest credits you'll ever watch. It starts with them cutting down a tree and ends up with them making the newspaper. And it goes on.

It's like three, it goes up forever. My advice was like, fuck it. Let's just start with the show. We'll get to the credits a little bit later. And it's, it's really funny. Like, when you watch old movies or old TV shows and the first six minutes are just like some sad jazz while we get to see who the like the key grip is in the movie. Right. Who is the associate assistant associate producer? They just didn't get it. When is this fucking movie going to start? Why is Walter Mathout just walking down the street? The slow motion highway hit when they're in the Bahamas. With the masks? It's great. Oh my God. It's great. I actually think this show invented the slow motion thing too.

I don't remember seeing that. They're ripping off Peck and paw a little bit. No, but I mean for TV. I just hadn't seen that in a TV show where, because there was a lot of it. There's a lot of Crockett glancing around in slow motion. Then on this highway, same thing. The car chase is good.

They'd go into the water. Calderon's final scene. Really good monologue. You know, the only time I see a judge, so when I tee off for him at the country club, 42 million. $42 million tax-free. Why do you think they call it the line of opportunity?

Even fat cats fry choleraone. Yeah, it's true. Only if they allow mistakes to exist. Yeah. About how he just can buy anyone he wants, blah, blah, blah. And he's so good in this. But then who you've been talking to and Tubbs comes out with the gun? Me.

We had to shoot out. And then I just love the ending. The fact, I mean, we should have talked about it more at the top, but they would just get some of the best songs of the 80s. They would just pay for them. So you have Cindy Lopper and you have, I'm so excited by the Pointer Sisters and you have ZZ Top. They would get the biggest bands we had.

They end this with what's love got to do with it, which was one of the biggest songs of 1984, the biggest song of Tina Turner's career. It was the perfect song to end this two partner with. And Angelina does what brought you to the island was far more than just your job. and then Crockett comes in, Tubbs, let's go home. And then we just kick in with that song and we're on the speedboat again.

And now we're montaging again. It's a double montage. But I have for most rewatch, why the Tubbs leading into the voices montage is one of the great five minutes in TV history. Yeah, I mean, it's just so iconic. I mean, like they obviously redo it again kind of in Miami Vice the Boone. movie. Yeah, they had to. The balls it must have taken to just be like, it's this song. We're going to, and this is the way you basically do previously on Miami Vice. Instead of doing a last

week on Miami Vice or two weeks ago on Miami Vice, you just do this montage and this flashback of everything that's brought these two guys together. It's so sick. Plus, you had an audience that was really conditioned to watching music videos in 1984 because we watched music videos. You would just watch MTV for three hours and see what the next video is going to be. Yeah. So it just, everything fits in. All right, let's go to what stage the best. I have an incredible amount for this. I tried to narrow it down.

First one is the concept of a hit list. Has it ever not worked ever in any form, TV, movies, anything? Second of all, like, just make sure everybody can get their hands on the hit list. So it makes them even more paranoid. I mean, there's, the hit list needs to be read, you know? Art needs to be out there, shared. I love when there's the hit list and the guy just leaves it in the hotel. room. It's not like in his back pocket.

Just a piece of paper with eight names. It's got to be like in some fancy notebook and they got to look at it and be like, what's this? And then you cross over the dead guys. I just, I love it. This was a borderline most rewatchable scene to me, but it's short. So I didn't put it in there. And they come over to Crockett's house.

It's a hit list, son. And you're on it. And he's like, what do I care? I've been on hit list before. And he's like, he's loving life with Caroline. Yeah, he's back. He's like, I'm back with Max Wife. If there's like, there are eight names on the list, Crackett.

The first six are already dead. Uh-oh. Got to cut to commercial. Slow-motion Crockett face. I love hit list. That's another what's aged the best for me. The slow-motion crockett what the fuck face? Great.

Yeah. Good job, Don Jetson. More what's aged the best. The Argentinian assassin. The ear plugs. I love when he puts the ear plugs in before he starts committing murder. The shooting technique, unparalleled. We'll get to why it was so good.

The yellow tinted glasses. his donut coffee calling card. Don't undersell this. There is a shot in this show of a cup of coffee, a vanilla cream donut with rainbow sprinkles, yellow tinted sunglasses,

and a giant bullet just in the frame. It's like, this is what this guy needs to get going in the morning. Sell the poster, man. I'm buying it. I'm framing it from my living room.

Yeah, that's it. All he really cares about is murder, donuts, and coffee. That's it. That's all he. I had never seen those yellow-tinted glasses before since. So the music when he's in the safe house with his wife in Miami. Is that Crocket's theme?

Crocket's name has been my cell phone theme for like 10 years. Yeah, you've heard it. People probably heard it. Like maybe it's even made it into some pods when your phone rings during the pod. It probably has. Yeah, Crocket's name. So that's in age of best. Don Johnson's smoking.

No complaints. Who do we just rip on about their smoking? Tom Cruise and Rain Man. Yeah. If we had this best smoking bracket, which would be completely irresponsible, Nick Nulte in 48 hours, who's basically like the uncle of Sonny Crockett,

basically, he's like his racist uncle. He was up for the role. Yeah. Nick Nulte in 48 hours and Crockett in this, I think are in the finals. Is there anybody else who smoked better than those two guys? I guess the Niro had some good moments. and Goodfellas with Siggs.

Mickey Rourke was pretty good smoking. Yeah. Crocket, he does the thing with, he tilts it. He doesn't do it with the two fingers next to your thumb. He does it with like thumb index finger turn. Where it's just like, and just everything seems effort. He has, I had this in what stage the best. After he gets together with his wife and they're in bed and they're like doing lovey-dovey stuff,

he's fucking smoking. He's going to see cigarette smoke. And she gets up and he rolls over and takes the other track. I also think he's smoking filterless lucky strikes. So sometimes he'll like lick the cigarette a little bit. Like it's a joint. But like it is, that is intense. To smoke filterless cigarettes is like another level of commitment.

He's at least 10 or 11 cigarettes in this two-parter. Producer Craig has to watch the Great McCarthy, which actually might be my favorite single episode. But that's Crockett. He's basically running shotgun for Tubbs that whole episode. Yeah. He's smoking. He's just cracking one-liners. It's like an unbelievable Crock performance. But his smoking made me want to smoke someday. I watched it. I'm like, you know what, someday I'm going to have to do that. It just looks too cool. I'm going to try it. Part one, they go from I'm so excited right into Tush. Yeah, at the club. Tush kind of felt through the cracks as an amazing song. I will. It does this. This

thing is, I don't really think of it as an 80s song. So it's like real, it's a good pull from the DJ at Linus's club. Great stuff. I'll also say that that club, like, fight scene and that whole situation, very much like a setup for collateral, you know, when they do the, the Korea, Koreatown nightclub. Oh, yeah. Morewood stage the best. Caroline Crockett.

You talk about, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Yeah, well, we've had, we did the Fletch podcast. We talked about Dana Willard, Nickerson, our love for her. We did the Beverly Hills Cop podcast. I talked about my love for Lisa, Ilbacher, got mocked by you, Sean, and Wesley for two hours on it. I stand by it.

Caroline Crockett, another one, played by Blinda Montgomery. Yeah. Just really did it for me. I don't know why she never really totally made it. It appeared to be that hairstyle. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's kind of rude in the 80s, but I really feel like she loved Sunny. Oh, for sure.

It was the classic, like the job came between them, but I really feel like they had a connection. she's great though she was going to move to Atlanta right yeah what's she going to do in Atlanta come on the opening credits we didn't really mention maybe not be on a kill list yeah true the opening credits which were so ahead of their time I love the high lie in the opening credits you notice that highlight just kind of is gone there was a gambling scandal and highlight got ruined they uh they add and subtract stuff from the credits throughout the season when you watch like sometimes it's a very long shot of a woman in a bikini yeah sometimes it's the guy on the phone and the

pool, it's awesome. Yeah. The, um, he was directed by Thomas Carter. Mm-hmm. The pilot. Who's my guy from the White Shadow, he played Hayward. Yeah.

This is like an all-time crossover for me where Hayward directing the important episode of one of my favorite shows, but then in Calderon's return, part two directed by Paul Michael Glazer. Starkey. Starkey and Hutch. Yeah. Unbelievable. another one's age the best for me is Miami.

I think this show, I think Scarface, there's been some pop culture stuff that really contributed to the legend of Miami in ways that I don't feel like any other city has benefited from TVs and movies. Would you agree with that? I guess San Francisco maybe would be the other one where you watch where San Francisco

basically becomes a character in the movie. And it happens sometimes like Boston, like the town. Charles Town's like a character of the town. But Miami just feels like this incredible, this world that you're going into. You're like, where is this? They're always talking about Miami on this show too.

It's always like, welcome to Miami. You know, like, it won't take you more than five minutes to score. Everybody's a hustler. And they go to so many different cool locations. I mean, these episodes cost a million dollars to make per episode. And you have to like, just for inflation, it makes it one of the most expensive shows that we'd be making today. and like everything is on location

and like man would pick like the house that Tony Amato in the Bruce Willis episode lives in it's like the pink house which is like this famous Miami Art Deco house I think and like man was just getting these locations because no one had ever shown Miami in that way smart

Yurkevich the initial Miami Vice was was called Gold Coast and was supposed to be a movie and then they flipped on a TV show but Yerkevich said when he was on Hill Street Blues he started collecting information on Miami. He said, quote,

I thought of it as sort of a modern-day-hipp American Casablanca, an interesting socioeconomic tide pool, the incredible number of refugees from Central America and Cuba, the already extensive Cuban-American community, and on top of that, the drug trade, Miami has become sort of a barberic coast of free enterprise gone berserk. Yeah.

Good way to put it. Good location for a TV show. But Miami becomes a character in the greatest, way. Masquerade parties, I think, is the what stage the best? Has the masquerade party ever not worked in a TV show or movie as a scene, especially if it's like action thriller type of stuff? Has there ever been a masquerade party where somebody comes home from it and they're like, well, what happened today at night? And he was like, not much. It's either eyes wide shut or Calderon's Return Part 2. Yeah. I was kidnapped by two body cards.

Another one's age of the best was grandfunked auto. Some guy said Fidelio and things got real weird. Grand Theft Audio, Grand Theft Auto, Vice City is basically a Miami Vice episode. They did a great job of paying homage to that show. That's one of my favorite video games ever. The music, here's what they rip off just in these two parts.

I'm so excited, Pointer Sisters. Touched by Zizi Top. In the night, Russ Bauer, Crocket's theme, Jan Hammer. Jan Hammer? Yeah, John Hammer. Hammer, yeah. Voices, Russ Ballard.

Can't Turn Back by Red Rider. Angelina Flashback by Janhammer. and then what's Love got to do with it by Tina Turner. That's like could have been released as an album. Yeah. That's just one episode. They were the people on the cutting edge where they were just like going to Glenn Fry and saying, hey man, instead of just like using smugglers blues at the end credits,

we want to make it the entire episode. Yeah. And can you be in it? And play it six times and you should be in it. Yeah. Last one stage the best for me, Michael Mann, our guy. Mm-hmm. This is such a win for him this.

show when we talk about the whole career and the uh the filmography and everything this is a really important piece like he did it on tv too so any other wood stage the best for you yeah i was just going to mention you know you you hit a lot of the ones i had listed but i really love crockett and gina's relationship and how it's kind of like it's like tipped at so if you watch like the first couple episodes you know that crockett's on the outs with his with his ex caroline they get divorced and one night he hooks up with Gina, who's another detective and vice. But throughout the- And she knows she should stay away and she can't.

Yeah. And throughout the season, it's kind of like they have these little like moments where you're like, oh, this seems like a little loaded what's happening here. And it's because they have this history. But they never are like super explicit about it. So like when Sunny's family gets like, when they have to go to the safe house, like Gina's kind of like really nice to him about it. And he's like, I appreciate, like, it's just a really cool element that they add in.

But other than that, you hit everything else. I would just say that in the first Calderones, the synths that they use are basically Michael Myers' horror synths. They're just John Carpenter's sense, and Hammer does this incredible job. Just kind of making the Argentinians feels like a slasher movie.

You know, because this guy is like tracking Crockett throughout the city. I forgot to mention in what stage the best of Crockett's boat. Just the concept of living on a boat. I'm always into it. always works for me. Do you ever see that for yourself? A little boat life?

Probably about five years from now after I lose my entire family and everything, I'd probably just have a boat left. You and Elvis? Marina del Rey. Would you probably name the... No, it's being Murph. Murph's just swimming in the ocean. It's just the two of us.

I'm smoking again. Spin off category, just for this, unintentional comedy, what's age the best. I mentioned Crockett making out with his wife. as he's holding the cigarette. I thought that was great. Tubbs, in part one, he grabs the gun when they feel like the person might still be in the hotel.

And Tubbs is like grabs the rifle and does this run across the street. Yeah. And he's like doing these police technique things. And it was just, it's hilarious. He just grabs it from the other cop. The cop's like, we should go. And he's like, no, we got to wait. And then he just changes his mind and grabs the guy's shotgun.

The cops like, what the fuck? And it ends with him. He's just in a, in the. middle of like a street with a ton of people holding a rifle. Nobody's scared. And he never identifies himself as a police officer. It's just a dude running around with a shotgun. But the winner for the unintentional comedy word is every single scene where Tubbs overacts, overacts, which we'll get to later when we do the Vincent Hanna Award. Tubbs has five moments in here where he dials it up in ways that, frankly, I don't know if we've covered on this podcast. I don't know if we're

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We're good. Sonny's like, this is great. I'm going to go get my wife. We've got to get back to our small, like, bungalow. I'm living in his sick safe house. Sedi, you want to make sure we don't run a couple ideas? and I'm not out. We're good.

I'll get it back. The, in part two, the easily telegraphed evil Bahamas police sheriff. Yes. Just a classic old school 70s 80s.

You guys are really helpful. Yeah. With the kind of smarmy smile on his face. Tubbs and Crockett, they drive into the water. Yeah. And the Bahamas killers

with the mass, they're just like, oh, they must be dead. They don't wait like 10 seconds. Well, also the car explodes in the water. Yeah,

which was weird. How did that happen? That whole scene's pretty bad. How those guys avoid like the reverberations bad? And then Angelina, hooking up with tubs, I say they've spent three and a half minutes together. He sees her on the beach. They talk for two minutes. He shows up with her watch where she's teaching school.

That's maybe two minutes. And then shows up for their date early and they just start going at it. Literally a total four minutes of interactions. Was it that easy to have sex in 1984? I don't know. I get the impression that Angelina doesn't have a really active dating life. You know, like, I don't think a lot of guys in her father's business would go after her, you know, and give it a shot.

So she's really hoping for a dude to walk up to her on the beach and start mentioning Cuban artists that he likes for his Soho Gallery. Well, she's definitely on the go team. Casting what ifs. You mentioned Nick the old. Oh, wait. I had a couple of what is the worst. Oh, go.

Okay. So one is life before cell phones. So there's a whole scene where Rodriguez is in surgery for his thoracic wounds after getting shot with an elephant gun from across the bay. And Tubbs is in the hospital waiting room just reading a pamphlet about poison control. Because in 1984, when you didn't have a fucking phone so that you could see what the dolphins were up to, you had to read whatever was in the waiting room. And Tubbs is just reading why you shouldn't take poison. And it's just like this guy. Another thing I would say, just because you don't see it a lot anymore, but in the nightclub,

in Linus's nightclub, they ask for St. Pauli Girl. And you just don't see St. Polygirl around that much. Oh, that's a great point. Yeah. And I was just like, this is the perfect 80s beer. It's like not quite Bex, you know what I mean? Like, it's like St. Polygirl. Don Johnson's Cuban accent has also aged the worst, probably.

when he does like the like the Desi Ardes joke. And also I was just going to say, I appreciate the fact that Ludoviccio Armstrong, the Argentinian is probably an elite hitman. But he really, really leaves a lot of evidence behind in that hotel room. Like if Switech can find stuff, you're not really like covering your tracks. So when they're like,

we found another receipt that has the guy's name on it. It's like really, you found the Mendez's name on a receipt. It's a great point. He leaves his hit list behind names of his contacts, donuts and coffee at every location. Yes. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. The fact that when he goes to stake out, when he goes to hide and Crocket's house when Crocket gets home, and he just leaves a half-eaten donut on the floor, I think anybody would notice that. Caroline would have noticed that. Yeah, he must have panicked when they showed up and kicked it over. But then why is he panicking? He's an elite hitman. I know. We forgot to mention one of the things I loved about this show is, like, they would use Zito and Swaytec.

You know, they'd be like, we're on location at this bar or blah, blah, blah. And those guys would just immediately become bartenders and waiters or whatever of the location needed. I made $20 in tips. They would always do that. If they're at a casino, all of a sudden they're blackjack dealers. Like, they were really malleable. I was always impressed by them. Casting what ifs.

Nick Nolte and Jeff Bridges were the two movie stars they went after. but back then movie stars didn't do TV. 20 years later, that probably flipped. Mickey Work turned it down. He was already kind of a thing. And then it became Don Johnson versus Larry Wilcox of chips. And they decided that Larry Wilcox

already had the police pedigree with chips and it would have been too weird. Larry Wilcox was really, really, really, like a C-minus. I'm amazed he made the final cut. It kind of shows how hard it was to find, you know, great people back then. But then Don Johnson gets it.

And then after two years, when he had a big contract dispute, want to leave, they were going to replace him with Mark Harmon. Yeah, because he was leaving Stan Elspir, right? Yeah. So it was just they were going to move Mark Harmon in there. That actually might have been the best thing for the show if Don Johnson had just banged out 40 episodes. Well, because it would have been cool, too, because if they had killed Crockett off, it would have, you know that would have been like a sick multi-part episode. And some incredible overacting by Tubbs. Speaking of Tubbs, this is verified.

I read it and I was like, this can't be true, and I looked it up. Denzel Washington audition for Tubbs. That's fucking... Didn't get it. Philip Michael Thomas beat out Denzo Washington for Tubbs. Apparently, Philip Michael Thomas and Don Johnson had some reading and just had this undeniable chemistry, which you can see in the show. They had great chemistry. They, like, didn't rehearse.

They just looked at each other and they were like, we're the guys. Pretty much. Yeah. Pretty much. So Philip Michael Thomas. beat out Denzel Washington, one of the great actors we have for a job.

I just read that sick in. Producer Craig. Yeah. I know you're in disbelief that we're even doing this podcast. You didn't know anything about this show and you watched Philip Michael Thomas acting for the pilot

and all the stuff that he does that made him Philip Michael Thomas. Is it inconceivable to you that this person would have beaten out Denzel Washington for a job? Yes, it's 100% inconceivable. I was like, going to ask you guys, I was like, why have I never heard of this man? Like, what happened to him?

It's the classic he had one thing and that was it. But I don't even know what the sports equivalent would be. It would be like Gardner Minchew beating out Tom Brady in 2001 on the Patriots. Remember when Peyton Hillis had that really good year at running back and was on the cover of Madden and then never did anything ever again? Oh, yeah. That's good. Like, who was Peyton Hill? Who did it, Peyton Hill was beat out for that job?

Peyton Hill has beat out, LaDadian Tomlinson, and then was on the cover of Matt, and then we never saw him again. Best that guy, okay, the Joey Pants Award. So we have two really good choices here. Jim Zubiana, who plays Ludovicio Armstrong, the Architianid Hitman. He was a shooting expert. He was Michael Mann's kind of shooting technician on the films of Michael Mann's like, fuck it.

He was in, he helped out on thief. That's where Michael Mann met him. Helped out on heat and helped out in collateral. And was the master of the Mozambique drill, which I mentioned earlier. You shoot a victim twice in the chest, then in the head to guarantee a kill. I don't know, Chris, where are you on the Mozambique drill? I would love to know what's the, why, what's the root of the Mozambique? Like, why Mozambique?

I'm guessing some guy in Mozambique. Yeah, probably right. You're probably right. So he's a candidate. And then Miguel Pinedero, who plays Calderon, who's unbelievable. And this guy's got a fascinating life.

It's so fascinating that Benjamin Brat made an entire movie about him in 2001, where he played Pinero. He was nominated for Tony. He was a famous artist. It's unclear how he died. He founded the New Rican Poet Cafe in New York City. He's like a great,

he's a playwright actor. He comes back. He runs. writes the script for Smugglers Blues. Right. Like one of the most fascinating Latino Hollywood kind of crossover people of the last 50 years. And I think also, doesn't he come back to the show and play like a different guy in like season two? Is Calderon, like, does Pinheiro come back?

No, his son comes back. Oh, his son, okay. His son comes back. No, not Calderon. I mean, like, did the actor, Pinero play like a different play? Yeah. I would go with, uh, with Jim Zubina as the best that guy, just because, because I've never seen him again.

The other nominee, I guess, would be the bartender. I don't even know what that guy's name is. That's Sam McMurray, who is in everything and is like kind of, I mean, like, I think he's been, I think he's like a voice on The Simpsons, but Sam McMurray's just in like everything. I wasn't sure whether you were going to put Jimbo up for Dion Waiters or if he was Joey Pants. What's, let's make him for both? I think he's probably our answer then if he's been in a bunch of stuff because I didn't

know his name was Sam McMurray. Also, just like awesome character. Awesome character. This guy who comes down for spring break smokes three joints and never leaves is a great character. Great stuff. Vincent Hanna, give me how he got a word. This can only go to Ricardo Tubbs. Which line do you think it goes for?

Your father had a cop shot to death in New York City. And that cop was my brother. Miami last month. I also like when Crocott's on the hit list and Crockett wants to go back out and Tubbs like You're not listening to me, man. You can't go out there, you know. Sit on some damn beach while Rodriguez hangs by a thread. That bullet he took was meant for me, Tubbs.

Yeah, man. Hey, look, man, you go out, hey, man, you go out there. You're going to end up right in here next to Roderica. You're not listening to me, man. You can't go out there, you know? It's too hot for you, Sonny. It's so good. Craig, you got to play at least two of those.

It's so good. He's so over the top this whole episode. And his entire interrogation of Mendez. And when he's just screaming, where is he? Where is he? Where's the hitter? We could almost, if this wasn't a TV show, we could almost name the award after him.

Vincent Hanna could pass the torch. The Ann Waiters Award, three incredible nominees. The Argentinian, Linus Oliver, and the St. Andrews bartender. I'm not going to do Calderon because I feel like he's an essential one. I think the winner, as much as I love the Argentinian, and as much as I love Linus Oliver,

who just crushes it, the St. Andrews bartender kind of carries scenes. He's incredible. He's a novelist. He's a drug dealer. He's a fixer. He's bringing them bad breakfasts. That whole breakfast moment where Jimbo shows up with their breakfast and Sonny's just doing pushups on like the hard balcony.

And last night, Scotch is still on the table. And then, and then like Sonny's just doing pushups in like pants and espadrilles. And they're just like shirtless dudes hanging out drinking scotch. Did they share a king-sized band where there are two rooms? Do you really think that they slept? No, maybe not. Yeah, you're right. Sonny probably, I mean, you could have easily just stuck in somebody just leaving the hotel, right?

Some two girls leaving as Jimbo shows up with the breakfast, something like that. I have one more DM Waiters nominee. Okay. And it's not as like usually DM waiters. I think we think of it as like a very like flashy role. But I'm going to go with Alan, Caroline Crockett's. defense attorney or lawyer because he calls an audible at the line. He calls Omaha and he's just like, we want full custody. Caroline's like, what? And then he doesn't care that it fell apart.

I'm getting paid anyway. That's good. I'll go to lunch. I like that one. I'm going with the bartender. The bartender is also the, I didn't have that award for this one, but I guess you could do it. Like, he's in his own show. The bartender easily could have been spun off at 10 o'clock. on Friday nights. Recasting couch. I don't even know who I would recast this with, but Angelina is just not very good.

If there's a real hole in this two-parter, she's wanted a little more from her. She has a really cool look, though. She's like a very distinctive vibe. She does. How many IMDB credits do you think she has? 15. Three.

Okay. Her name's Fannie Napoli. I was thinking, I was trying to think who would be the perfect one for this. know if Sonia Braga was too old for this part, but that could have been the one. That's cool. That could have been the one that happened.

Have Fass Internet Research. Originally, these episodes, part one, part two were called The Hit List and Calderon's Demise. And then when it got syndicated, they switched it. This is the only time is kind of a spoiler in the title. Yeah, seriously. I'm surprised they did that. This is the only time in any episode that Tubbs got to drive the Ferrari, which I thought was crazy.

They really want to crock it to drive the friary. Don Johnson's Italian sport coat, t-shirt, white linen pants, slip-on sockless loafers became an actual look that dominated fashion shows for the next two years all over the world. So we should mention that. They used stereo broadcast music for the sound, which nobody had done for a TV series before. And they spent 10,000 or more per episode just to buy the rights to songs. but they really cared about the audio piece. Crockets Ferrari was not really a Ferrari.

It was supposed to be a 1972 Ferrari, Daytona Spider, but it was really a replica that was built as a Corvette. But his boat was the Chris Craft St.Cist St. 90X. That's the St. Vitus Dance, right? That's the new boat. Yeah. So Michael Mann was a no Earth Tones guy.

There's no red or brown on Miami Vice. They flipped it, I think, as later seen. seasons, but you never see reds or browns, no earth stuff. All like aqua type things. So Crockett's walking around $800 suits. He's got a boat. He's got a Ferrari. The idea, just so people know, is that, like, I guess, like, they are using the drugs and money or the money that they, you know, sees from drug dealers to create undercover legends for their cops, right? So it's not just like he's independently wealthy because as Calderone makes a big point of, like, these guys make like 350 bucks a week, right?

Yep. Right. So it's all like prop stuff for them, basically. Johnson, because they didn't have stubble raisers yet, he shaved with a sideburn trimmer to get the look of the stubble. And then eventually, I think they released a Don Johnson stubble razor, which you could probably get on eBay. The Miami Vice theme was the first TV theme to hit number one

since Henry Mancini's theme from Peter Gunn in 19, Oh, wow. Wow. Jan Hammer won two Grammy words. So Lou, we mentioned how Lou died. Lou got written out. He didn't like living in Miami, apparently. This was the official story and wanted to be written out. So they killed them off. Then there's a school of thought that they wrote him off because the character didn't work because he played that guy Chano and Barney Miller for eight years, which was a comedy. And I think Michael Mann, I think, decided that it was too hard to take him seriously. Well, there's a second in Calderon, one, where it seems like maybe Lou is on the take. Right. And they kind of just drop it.

And it winds up being Scotty Wheeler. Right. Yeah, poor Scotty. Well, Scott Jr. You were my partner, man. Scott Jr.'s medical bills were way up there. The part one, part two titles are different. The part two titles went into being the end of the series. And then if you watch when Don Johnson's firing off with the Argentinian, they have a squib mistake where the squib explodes and he kind of recoils. That's like what really happened because the squib fucked up and almost like blew up in his face. So they had that, but they included that shot. Apex Mountain.

I got a lot. Don Johnson is apex is probably near the end of season one, but we're approaching. He's climbing the mountain right now. He's almost there. It's probably summer of 85. Do you want to hear my Don Johnson story? Yeah. Rock Room and Country Club,

Stanford, Connecticut, I'm cadding there, summer of 85. Don Johnson is there playing golf with a member. Wait, find out. 85? So you're at peak Don Johnson. Peak Don Johnson. Like the most famous fucking guy in the world.

Most famous ever. Yeah. He's there. My mom, it's her favorite show. I grab a pen and a paper. I hop in a golf cart, and I chase him down to whatever hole he's on. I wait until he finishes on the green. And I walk up to him and I say, we love Miami Vice.

It's my mom's favorite show. Can you sign something quick for me? So you're 10th grade right now. It's something like that. Yeah. Don Johnson's like, absolutely. And he's like, how old's your mom? Yeah.

Did your mom pop out from? behind the tree. My mom, that would have been it. We never would have seen her again. She just would have been off with Don Johnson. But yeah, super nice sign. But I met Don Johnson that, like, literally when he was on Apex Mountain. Can I, this is from, I had this for half-ass internet research, but it goes well with this

because it's a Don Johnson quote from Emily Benedict's piece. I won't, I won't believe in this. But this is just like, when you read this, you're just like, this guy really, the action was the juice for this guy. Don Johnson in 1985, we're a bunch of misfits, really. He's talking about the cast. Every one of these people is paid his dues. the only thing that really makes us feel good

is to take these chances. We've been through drugs and alcohol and outlaws and thieves. The whole crew is reformed. I mean, we've been around the block. I'm not saying we're the only Messiah on the street, but we're damn sure one of them. Later, someone told me of an actor,

not one of the principals who had a little trouble with drugs and stole money from a director's trailer. Some of the cast members got together with him and worked it out themselves. Oh, my God. So it was like a real band of brother situation. on the Miami vice set. Yeah.

Yeah, the Don Johnson history is a little rough. Like he started dating Melanie Griffith when she was 14. Now, this is great as the mid-70s, but that has not aged well. We could have put that in what stage is the worst. But I think they both had a lot of substance issues, stuff like that. He looks great on the show.

You wouldn't know. And now I still follow him on Instagram. He still looks great. He's got a son of his basketball player. Oh, does he? Don Johnson, doing well. Mori Picks. Bound. Hit lists?

It's been a better use of a hit list than a movie or a TV show that you can remember. One of the dirty Harry movies kind of has a hit list, right? I feel like what is Netflix doing? Sometimes I just wonder at them. Like, just do an algorithm show called hit list.

Yeah. Where it's just like, it's a hit list. That's it. Gerard Butler is a cop whose name is on a hit list. Yeah, he's number nine. And the first two are dead and no, every episode,

the next guy dies. We're all leading to Gerard Butler in episode seven. Apex Mountain for smoking for you, Who's done it better? I still think Goodfellas. I still think Goodfellas is better smoking. Miami, I'm going to say like 2012 heats, probably the apex.

Miami's rounded it in a shape a little bit. But let me ask you this. Is this the most that the rest of the country liked Miami? Because I think that the heat in 12, like most people were like, fuck those guys. That's fair. Yeah. So America's love for Miami. Yeah.

Argentinian assassins, definitely. Anthony Yercovich, yes. I'm so excited as a song. There's another apex for it. We'll get to it later. Gregory Sierra, no. Miguel Piniero, probably?

I think he's, yeah, sure. Iconic bad guy character. St. Andrews Island, can't remember as a movie TV location having a better run than it has here. Sleeves-teel tank tops, definitely. Yeah.

Philip Michael Thomas, no question. Members only jackets, which go here are Sopranos. probably sopranos. I would go sopranos, yeah. Yeah. Michael Mann, no. The Mozambique drill, collateral.

Collateral. Collateral. Collateral. Cruz, better with Cruz. Russ Ballard, I don't think anyone's ever Apex Mountain did more than Russ Ballard. I mean, you might have to name the category of Russ Ballard. It's Russ Bauer.

When you reach the top of Apex Mountain, Russ Bauer is there and he's playing with two songs. Voices is playing, yeah. Yeah. He has two songs. in the span of basically 10 minutes of time on the show. Because it's the end of part one, and it's the start of part two.

Friday night ends, Miami Vice ends. You're thinking, man, that Russ Ballard song was sick. I wonder what I'm going to do for the rest of the week. And then you come back next Friday

and fucking Russ Ballard is there waiting for you, jamming on voices. Yeah. Do you think he's like, what the fuck? Why wasn't I a bigger star with those two hits?

Well, he was a big songwriter. He wrote back in the New York groove and like he has like a bunch of big hits that he wrote. But yeah, I'm sure he's like, can I not even be John Wait.

I was just going to say John Wait. Really? How am I not Christopher Cross? You know? Oh, man. All right. We're going to take one more break and then. Oh, wait.

I had a name. My apex mountain was just, you kind of hit on this, but like, theme music for a character. So Crockett's theme, I think, is probably the apex of music that is just specifically for a character. And also, this is Apex Mountain for going shirtless in long pants. Great point. one more break and then we're going to pick some nits. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana.

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from Wells Fargo. Be a 2%er. Learn more at Wells Fargo.com forward slash active cash. the play. All right, pick a nits. We've done a couple of these already. I'll never understand why the Argentinian didn't shoot Crockett, Tubbs, and Linus when they were all outside. He was sitting on a bench, just watching them. Just take them down and you're done. Maybe he didn't want to, like, impact those kids who were running around. Yeah, maybe. Part two, Crockett decides I'm going to pretend to be the Argentinian to collect. Does anyone seen what he's looked like? No. All right, great. I'll pretend to be the Argentinian. So we'll take men. does his word for it. Yeah. Then shows up and he's got like a southern accent. It's like,

you're definitely not an Argentinian. I don't know how dumb Calderon's henchman is, but it's like, yeah, so I'm going to meet the Argentinian to drop off the money. And then it's like fucking Don Johnson. So those guys show up, start drinking coconut cocktails as soon as they arrive in St. Andrews. And their plan is to do a dueling undercover operation where Tubbs is going to pretend to be a Soho art gallerist. And Crockett is going to be an Argentine killer for hire. And they're going to, but they're living together

in a hotel room for some reason. Oh, and we're also going to tell the Bahamas police chief, and it'll never occur to us that this guy might be on the take with Calderon. It's really some of the worst planning ever. They get made within five minutes. Yes. And then decide to go to the masquerade party anyway. Like, what do you think is going to happen

there? I think even after they get attacked, they're still trying to like push their Crocket's still pretending to be the Argentine even after they get attacked just bizarre can't explain it I

borderline picket's did the Caroline really think things were going to be better this time around with her undercover husband like granted I you know we've all been in love I get it but Bill it's not the job

yeah it does to you I know she's just like is this, maybe the act, maybe I overthought this, maybe we're, like, no, you got to get away from this guy. You have a small child. Could this be remade as a 10 episode Netflix show? I really want to talk about this.

Okay. First answer, yes. Second answer, I'm against remakes, just in general. But I do think you could completely remake the pilot and this two-parter. And Calderon. As season one of a Netflix show where it's Crocund and Tubbs and Calderon is wreaking havoc with them. And there's a hit list. I think you could steal a lot of this stuff.

And I think it would work as a Netflix show. I really do. And I just think that should have been season one. It should have been eight episodes. You drag it out. When they're undercover, it's two episodes instead of one, stuff of that. But I really think it could have worked. And I think one of the mistakes they made with the movie was not just, I think, doing, they could have easily just done Calderon if they had, you know,

done that whole thing. They tried to go this other direction with it. Right. I don't mean to criticize the movie. We both love it. No, I know what you mean. I think that that movie is really like more of like an excuse for Michael Mann to kind of go into the outer reaches with digital photography and like his, he's like, can I shoot

in the dark of night with no lights at all and yet use cameras that can sense human behavior? Like he's on a different trip in that. But it is kind of funny to think back on like how this show was so envelope pushing by doing a movie to start and then doing a two-parter that's essentially a movie. It would have been cool if Colin Farrell and Jamie Fox had a little bit of their shit together on the set. Like, if the movie of Miami Vice set up a show. Or set up like just movies every five years.

Yeah, well, that's what they, what the thing is is that like they could have done it like Sherlock where they just did like three episodes every two years. If I was like there's a three-hour run, a three-episode run of Miami Vice coming next week, wouldn't you cancel all your plans? I think they made a huge mistake not reinvigorating this franchise. I really think it could have been

like fast and furious type of a thing. I think they could have done six, seven movies. I think they could have done a huge Netflix show. The whole concept of two undercover cops in Miami who have chemistry and the whole thing

and one's white, one's black, like it's just going to work. Yeah. And you could have taken all the stuff that didn't work with the TV show and blown it out

until a much better TV show. I'm amazed where are you Michael Mann? Where are you on this stuff? Come on. Michael, man, if you're listening, just do it. The thing is,

you know what Michael Mann needs to do? And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with what he's doing now. He's making a show for HBO. He's making a show called Tokyo Vice and like, I can't wait to watch it. But I think that Michael Mann needs to basically

anoint us as his successors. Or at least his conciliaries. Can we just have breakfast with them once every three months? Just getting involved in some of the IPs. got and just maybe, you know, like, what, like, what are we, what Mohican stories are we leaving on the, on the table here, you know? I just want to know who's not giving Miami Vice a whirl on Netflix season one Miami Vice. They just spent a half a billion dollars on the Lord of the Rings show.

Like, we can't get like 50 million for Miami Vice. Let's get producer Craigs in his bid 20s. Producer Craig, Miami Vice Calderon's return, eight episodes drop on Netflix. What's your reaction? Yeah, I think I'm down. We need a lot. Miami stuff. Yeah. More Miami stuff. Why are we in Chicago with nine NBC shows and Miami is like this afterthought? No, it would be so cool too because you could, if you did it the way they did it back then and you could do it like maybe you would get like, you get the new Drake song to be in this in this show that week.

You know what you mean? Like you would use that. And then you would get like Tua could be like a guest star. I mean, Ballers. Ballers basically did this. No, Ballers basically tried to do this and it was like the disaster. version of it. Like just set,

this should be a location. CSI Miami was on for nine years with Caruso just taking his sunglasses off. But it was like Miami was the biggest character of that. Netflix, come on. Probably in answerable questions. Here's my first one.

Do Argentinian assassins love sprinkled donuts this much or was it just this guy? I think it was just his bit. This is right when we're starting to get into every bad guy needs a like a kind of sort of a signature move, whether it's a

donut, whether it's, you know, culminating with Hannibal Lecter. But, like, this is the first, one of the first guys who's just like, yeah, my thing is I can shoot guys from across a harbor, but I also love a donut. I wonder if they have, they don't have sprinkled donuts in Argentina, maybe. You just never seen it before. It's just like, this is amazing. They put sprinkles on the donuts here. This is amazing.

I have to have these. Next question. So the fee for the eight murders. was 120k. Did that seem high or low to you? It's 1984. Really low. Seems low, right?

Yeah. It's 15K of murder. Yeah. He's got to get the equipment. He's got to go down there, hotel room. He's risking his own life. He does a lot of observation

beforehand, a lot of prep work, you know? I mean, maybe that's why this guy maybe wasn't as good as we thought. Maybe there was a 200k assassin. But they make him sound like, they make him sound like the jackal where they're like,

no one's met him. It's only like through a, cut out, you know? No, it's met him, except everywhere he goes, he leaves evidence behind. So I'm so excited. Here's the run it has pop culture wise. I laid this out once on Twitter. It's in vacation in the Christy Brinkley scene. It's in one of the three best MBAs fantastic commercials ever made. It's in Miami Vice. It's in the iconic Save the Bell episode, I'm so excited when Jesse overdoses on caffeine pills. It's, on Fresh Prince. Carlton dances. Tom's so excited. Then it has a comeback. In this century, it was

on Drake and Josh had a big moment. It was in a family guy parody. It was in Transformers. We had Game of Thrones had a thing where the Game of Thrones cast sang, I'm so excited. Is this the most influential pop culture song of all time? Has anything crossed over more things than randomly? I'm so excited by the Pointer Sisters. I don't think I ever knew that before you just laid out that case and now I can't unhear it. It's in two really, really huge movies, vacation and transformers. In the beginning of Beverly's Cop is Neutron Dance, right? Yeah.

It's too bad they didn't work it in there. It's in the best episode of Vice Ever. The NBA Fantastic commercials is widely credited to making the league seem more personal. Just to crossover, sports movies, music, TV is crazy. number one Sunny ever in a movie or TV show. You have Sunny Crocket or Sunny Corleone. Sonny Corleone, come on.

Over Crockett. Yeah. You're going to walk up to him. You're going to shoot him in the head. Boom. Yeah. Come on. It's Sunny Corleone.

Can you ever go wrong with a Sunny? Do we need another Sunny? Is it like an every 13, 15 years thing? What's the deal? It's because, like, obviously, it's a nickname for James, Sunny Crockett, right? Is that his middle name or his nickname? And then Sonny is Santino. How do you arrive?

Can you just start calling Ben Sunny and see if it sticks? Craig, name your first kid Sunny. Sonny Horlebeck. Listen, I'm down. I'm Italian. I'm ready for that. Sonny Horlebeck sounds like he's definitely a quarterback like in Div 1 somewhere. No, it's like he goes to IMG and then he kind of winds up at like UCF or something like that.

That's not quite like you take that. Yeah, sure. especially like if he ends up with Liz, Liz is tall. That kid might be like 6-6. Put that kid. I'm buying stock of that. IMG stock right now. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I mean, the obvious answer is the boat. It's the boat. It's the Ferrari. But for me personally, I want the 2,172-page manuscript by Jimbo, the bartender. That's a combination of mutiny and the bounty, mutiny on the bounty with Road Warrior. contemporary island classic.

I thought the two masquerade party mask that Crockett and Tubbs were would be good to just put it on a wall. Be like, what's that? Calderon's Return Part 2. Yeah. These guys were... Where are you at with Elvis?

Great gimmick. Didn't overuse it. Unlike the monkey... Marcel. Yeah. The monkey and friends where they were like integrating the monkey and the storylines.

Elvis was kind of there, but never overpowered an episode. So I was down with it. Do we know if it's possible to domesticate an alligator in that way, though? I don't think so. Probably not. Probably not. Not the most unrealistic moment of this show. Possibly underanswerable question is, does Crockett die from an alligator attack at any given point?

Or somebody on his boat, yeah, maybe. Who won the two-part episode? So let me, should I make the case for Tubbs? Should I make the case for the character of Tubbs? I don't know if I'd make the case for Philip Michael Thomas's performance per se, but he does avenge his brother's death from Brothers Keeper. Like it is ultimately, even though Calderon goes after Crockett's family, it's Tubbs who's driving the story.

It's Tubbs who's like, we got to get him. And it's like Tubbs is the outlaw cop who's taking the law into his own hands. I have Crockett winning part one and Tubbs clearly runs away with part two. It's a blowout. it's just he brings everything to the table the unintentional comedy some drama some good acting really makes you believe he could win over a woman in four minutes which he does yeah and uh you know he's just it's just great stuff all the way around um you could make a case for Tina Turner because them ending on what's loved to do with what's love to do with what's

you could make a case for Ballard yeah Russ Ballard what would we could we make that I feel like we might actually. He places two anthems at the end and beginning of two of the biggest episodes of TV of the 80s. Yeah, I think that's the answer. I think it's Russ Ballard. Well, the real answer is Michael Mann. But yes, I think Russ Ballard might have been. Yeah, the real answer is bad.

A lot of winners. Did anybody win more off of these two episodes of television? I also think you and I are winners because nobody else would have ever thought to do this to spend an hour and a half talking about a 37-year-old two-part TV episode. But I'm glad we did because it's important. How long would the NBA strike? need to be for us to do binge mode the first season of Miami Vice. Oh, man, like at least three years.

I said this to you. I texted this to you, and I wholeheartedly believe it. I think these, this two-parter as a movie stands up to anything in 1984. Name the movie like Purple Rain, Carotidus, Amadais. You pick, pick a movie and just say, what's more entertaining to watch in 2021? will still say this two-partners. Just what an interesting time. You know, it's like the box office was like

Ghostbusters and Karate Kid and, you know, in terms of endearment in those movies. You had born in the USA and Purple Rain had come out. There was all this great punk rock. There's all this amazing new wave, like unforgettable fire and Echo and the Bunny are coming out.

And I don't know. I mean, this show, it's cool that it's so timeless because it was also so cutting edge. You know, at the time, 884, for it to have amazing songwriters like Russ Ballard every week,

You know, it's just an amazing accomplishment. I wrote a piece in 2004 for page two, back when my fingers worked, about that 1984 was the greatest pop culture year ever, because we also had just major, major stars all over the place, like real stars and kind of less clutter, you know? See, we just had less channels. There were less movies. There were less TV shows. There was a better infrastructure to push stars.

So when somebody like Hewee Lewis became a star, it just felt like he was like this massive, massive, massive star all of a sudden. It would happen over and over again. You know, I said all the wrestling stuff back then. This was like Hulkomania is born in 1984, all over the place. Bird and Magic and the NBA and you had the 84 NFL draft or the 83 NFL draft that class coming in and kicking ass with the quarterbacks.

But it was an amazing time. We didn't do your best quote. Did you have any? it's got to be, well, our divorce is a bigger failure than our marriage. That almost could have been my high school yearbook quote. My high school yearbook quote should have been money that gets paid for, money that gets paid for blood gets paid in person. That's what I told Craig when we hired him for the rewatchables.

All right, that's it for the rewatchables. Wait, guys, I have a question about the show that I need to answer from both. Oh, let's go. Let's hear it. So I think the only connection that people my age have to this show, or Don Johnson. And honestly, I bet you most of us

just miss this references in the Wolf of Wall Street in the beginning when the Ferrari's driving and the Ferrari's red and then Leo was narrating and he goes, no, no, no,

it wasn't red. It was white like Don Johnson. And then it switches, the car switches to white. The Ferrari in this show was black. Does it switch to white? No.

That's weird. Do you know what I'm talking about Chris? Yeah, I don't remember the exact line. I remember the Don Johnson line in Wolf, but I didn't know that he was a white. Leo's driving in his Ferrari and the Ferrari's red. And then he goes,

and he's narrating and it goes, no, no, no, no, my furry was white. Like, Don Johnson's kind of switching. Maybe he gets one later in, like, in later seasons, because I think Wolf is set later in the 80s, but I don't know. Interesting. Well, Craig, you mentioned the other thing is that there's a whole generation that just knows Don Johnson as Dakota Johnson's dad. Yeah, and I was trying to think of what that would be like for us. It'd be like, it's like, Jennifer Aniston had a kid, and then our kids were like, oh, that's... Becky Aniston's mom.

Becky Annison's mom. We're like, no, what the hell? that's Rachel from Friends. So I just found an article that it's about the iconic cocaine white Ferrari Testerosa in Miami Vice wasn't the crew's first choice for the show. So they wind up integrating a white testarosa later.

I forgot to put that in picky nits. I don't feel like cocaine was enough in the show. I know they had some restrictions with TV back then. I think it's implied all over the place. But like Tubbs definitely took a couple of roles. And I think Crockett probably had a couple nights too where it was like, all right, I'll do some blow tonight.

Let's go. With that bartender guy? Yeah. In 84 Miami, I just feel like it's in play. Like, you're going out. It's not just like glass or shit. Him and Gina are going to see some high lie. Yeah, he's like, come on.

He just breaks it out. Going to Greyhound races? Yeah. So next week on the rewatchables, not sure yet. We do have one in the bank, but we'll see if we tape another one next week. But we have a lot of good stuff coming, including lots of rumors of the redeparted. for the anniversary. We did the departed,

I think it was like the ninth one we ever did. I don't think we had a lot of the categories yet. August, 2017. So we got the 25th anniversary. Is it 25th anniversary or 15th anniversary? 15th. And we need to redo that. But we have some good ones coming up,

including JFK will be over at some point over the next few weeks, which I think, Craig, we all have to make sure we have full batteries and the recorders for that one. That could be a four-hour. Anyway, this podcast was produced by Craig Horleback. You can hear Chris Ryan on the watch. Sonny Horleback on the deck. Sunny Horleback, watch out for him,

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