The Rewatchables - 'Miami Vice' With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: February 7, 2018

The Ringer's Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan hop in a speedboat and head to Cuba to celebrate the overlooked and largely misunderstood cult classic 'Miami Vice,' starring Jamie Foxx and Colin Farrell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Wow. We have some good popular movies coming up. This one is for me and Chris Ryan. We're going to hop on a boat. We're going to head to Cuba. We're doing my... Miami Vice, the movie. Here we go.

From Michael Mann, the director of collateral and heat. You're afraid of violence? What is the business? Violence are really expensive. Miami Vice is the coolest movie of the summer. I think they happen to. And one of the best of the year. Miami Vice said it all.

All right, Bill Simmons here. Chris Ryan here. We've joked about doing this movie ever since we launched a rewatchable speed. It started out of us. a joke, it turned into something else. And about two months ago, we looked at each other and we said, no, actually, we should do this as rewatchables. It's that good. It's the lost great movie of the mid-2000s.

Then I was researching it. And there seems to be some steam for this now, Chris Ryan. I would say that you could look at this pod and you could say, like, these guys are going a little off menu. They're getting too cute. Yeah. It's like, now they're like pretending like they have to cook without

any, you know, vegetable oil or something. but in some ways Miami Vice is the most rewatchable movie that we have talked about and there's a very specific reason why it actually gets better every time I watch it I agree and it's in some ways so dense and so hard to understand that the narrative part of it that you kind of can start it wherever you kind of can jump in 35 minutes in an hour in you can start you can end it and then start it over if it's on cable like whatever if you have it on demand and so So in that way, it's like the perfect rewatchable movie because you could come at it from so many different angles and you can watch it in so many different ways and still find it satisfying. Plus, you can't barely understand anything anyone says the entire movie because everyone's mumbling. So each time I pick up a new line of dialogue. So I watched it this week with the subtitles on with close captioning on. Yeah, it's an American movie that needs subtitles. And I was like, oh, that's why they do that.

Like there was like major plot points that I thought were just like just didn't. get covered. They cut this part out. Nope. They explain it. Yeah. It's just it's just painkiller Colin is up on the roof mumbling into his linen jacket and you can't understand what he's saying unless you have closed captioning on. Intentional or unintentional? I think unintentional. But in it unintentional in terms of like I don't think that I think Michael Mann thought this movie makes perfectly good sense. Yeah. I'm the only one who understands. Yeah, right, except he's the only one to understand it. I saw this movie in 06 and I was disappointed. But the hangar of the series was so profound.

It was almost a no lose. And I think we should talk about the series first to set up the movie itself. I'm a little older than you. The show basically transformed what a television drama was in a lot of ways. It was it, the MTV era was about two, we're about two years in with music videos and things looking cool. and action scenes without dialogue and just things that hadn't happened before. And then Vice came in and just captured all of it

and had a real distinct look. It caught Don Johnson, who suddenly became one of the biggest stars on the planet. And it was just a cool show and had good directors and great casting the first year and all these weird people. Incredible music. Yeah, incredible music.

It had Bruce Willis. And it was the first TV show that anybody had made that there were scenes in it that really felt like a music video. And especially in the pilot, But, you know, there's, he's driving, called her own is this big drug dealer they're trying to bring down. And they're driving on the airport, try to stop him.

And Sonny Crockett, played by Don Johnson, they stop. He stops at a pay phone and calls his ex-wife. And he's like, Caroline, was it real? And she's like, you bet it was. And then he just got, it's just wide shot, the oceans behind them. They were just not scenes like that. And as the show was on for five years, a couple of them were bad. It had one big rejuvenation season near the end.

Sunny had amnesia, became a villain, he grew a ponytail. It's pretty good. Julie Roberts is in it. No way, really? I didn't know that. Oh, there's a great four. Oh, I'm going to make you watch that this again. Great four episode.

Sonny has amnesia and thinks he's a hitman. And it's Julie Roberts. And it's awesome. Yeah. And then it dies. And then it took on this kind of cultish status, found a home on some cable stations, and then some momentum builds.

the movie and you really couldn't win with the movie and Colin Farrell was not as cool as Don Johnson and it just everybody's like ah eh and about seven years after it started to flip sure so I think I weirdly Michael Mann might not have been the right director to bring this to the screen if what you wanted to recapture was the things that people specifically liked about the television show in some ways maybe it just never should have gone to this to the big screen because Miami Vice was always more of a vibe show than it was a story show. Well, and it was also a funny show. At least for the first couple years,

there was real chemistry with the partners. And Don Johnson's as Sonny Crockett was like legit funny. Yeah, yeah. This movie is the opposite of funny. No, not even in close captions. There might be two jokes in the whole movie, and both of them are when Jamie Fox is having sex with his girlfriend. There's no other jokes in the movie at all.

There's some funny parts, like when they're bracing Eddie Marzan for the first time. And Justin Theroux is like, get to watch Marlins highlights on your 65-minute plasma. But for the most part, no, it's not a funny movie. It's deadly serious. Yeah. And it also happened, I think, at a point in Michael Mann's career where he was clearly interested in just pushing the boundaries of what he could do visually in a blockbuster box. And it's almost avant-garde the way it looks in some steps in some sense. in some scenes.

And that's something that I think is really, people have responded to online. You can see all these essays and all these sort of memorials for it. It became like a big colors. Yeah, it became a big Tumblr movie where people would, you know, grab screenshots of different frames of it

and kind of build these kind of cathedrals to Miami Vice. And it is a deep, I think it is a very influential movie. But it was definitely flatly, like, rejected when it first came out. It wasn't a big box office success. It was definitely not a critical success. It basically marked the first, the end of the first era

of Colin Farrell as a movie star. I remember leaving the theater thinking his career was over. I think Colin Farrell thought that too. And now I watch the movie. I'm like, Colin Farrell's great. Yes. I wish I had been all in. Yes.

Yeah. He was on to something. I didn't fully understand. And I still don't totally understand, but I love it. I agree with you. And I think that part, you know, for me in 2006 when this came out and this is coming off, I mean, this is very much this 10-year run where Michael Mann's my favorite working filmmaker in some ways he still is.

Ten year? Yeah, because from heat on. I'm like 24. Yeah. I mean, even Manhunter, he'll ask the Mohicans. I go to Jericho, Mayo. Yeah, exactly, thief. Yeah.

You know, he, the insider, collateral, Ali, and people have mixed feelings about Ali, but he's basically on this run where he's doing that thing that we love in filmmakers, which is making these really inventive, beautiful, thought-provoking movies that are still, like, mass entertainments and they're out there for this mainstream audience. The first like six minutes of Ali is unbelievable. Incredible. It's so good. Oh,

the scene with Sam Cook singing. Oh, my God. It's so good. Michael man. And Jamie Fox shows up. Yeah. And that was so disappointing about Black Hat is even like Michael Man movies that aren't

that good will have a stretch that's just like fantastic. And for whatever reason Black Hat didn't. I don't know whether he gave up or maybe we need to watch Black Hat again. Maybe it's like a little hidden gym. 2000, will be doing a black hat pod. Yeah, I don't think so. Chris Hemsworth's accent, remember?

Yes. I think we saw it together. Yeah, we saw it. We saw it. Why did they give him a New York accent? He's a hacker. He could have been from Australia. Yeah.

Didn't matter. So the Vice movie, 06, he's coming off of Collateral 04, which is another movie that I wish was on more often. Has some logistical issues, which we've discussed before on this podcast for some reason about being able to get from LAX to downtown LA in seven minutes and stuff like that. But is a really cool LA movie? Yes. I would say top five or six.

Excellent LA movie. Just the city's just laid out. It's beautiful. It's beautifully shot. It's cool. It's got evil crews with the white hair. Also, one of Michael Mann's hidden gifts is he looks at a variety of different actors and is able to say, this guy should be a cop.

And he did that with Mark Ruffalo in collateral. And he kind of does it with a lot of. of people who are in vice, but specifically random people like Justin through, you wouldn't necessarily have been like that guy should be a vice cop who's on his crew. Yeah. And Dom from Entourage. Yeah, exactly.

The movie came out 20 years after the peak of the series. Which ties into my 20 year role, Chris Ryan. Nostalgia works the best 20 years later. So like the Brady Bunch movie comes out in like 1994. It's just perfect. It's 20 years later.

the people who grew up with the movie, and then the people who, generation later, who caught up to it and then like a new generation ready to do. You get basically three generations ready to roll. And there was a lot of anticipation for it. Twitter is not in place yet. The internet is not the way it is now. There's no rotten tomatoes, like the even close to the way it is now.

But there was bad buzz. Yes. There was buzz that the movie was too expensive. There was buzz about problems on the set. They had really bad luck. They filmed it. Let's just, can we take a sec? Problems on the set is an understatement.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I was going to go through it. Like, well, first of all, they lost seven days of filming because of multiple hurricanes. This is the hurricane Katrina. And there was like two other ones. And just, it just happened to be like where they were filming the movie in Miami and like the, you know, off the coast. They filmed in Ciudad de Leste, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Cuba, and Miami. Yes.

during a massive run of hurricane. So you can guess how that went. I never know what to believe on the internet, and I don't want to step on half fast internet research corner a little too much. But it does seem like Michael Mann might have been writing the script on the fly. I have no doubt. Or doing extensive rewriting of the script on the fly. It feels that way.

The movie completely changes course two or three times in a way that now is kind of like, oh yeah it's the gongli section why is this happening yeah so he filmed in not only unsafe weather locations but initially he chose a couple locations for like their real real

seediness like that the veracity yeah right and apparently crossed the line he was drafting gang members of security and was going to places that police wouldn't go into and then somebody got shot yeah in Panama yeah one of those

It was like Panama or maybe Dominican Republic. I think it was Dominican Republic. Somebody got shot, which ended up causing them to have to change the ending of the movie. Because Jamie Fox, who by multiple accounts, had kind of was feeling himself. He just won the Oscar for Ray. He was now an A-List star. He's in this movie. Somebody shot, and he's like, fuck this, I'm out.

Right. I'm not going back down there. I'll quit the movie unless we stay in the United States. Now, this isn't quite like what happens sometimes where you'll see somebody wins an Oscar and studios will more or less rush up movies they might have had in the can with that person in them and then advertise them. So that happened with Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah.

With some horror movie that came out. Oh, yeah. But with Jamie Fox, he was on the ascendance and he... He had ascended. Yeah, he has a... He's won the Oscar. And he's kind of has like a... He's really good in this movie. I really enjoy him, but he's got a thankless role in terms of...

He disappears for a big chunk of it so that it can become sunny. story. Right. So there's a story that's pretty damning about Fox's behavior in this movie. And who knows? They might have exaggerated some details. But basically he's like demanding to fly charter only. Yeah. Demands to get the thing. He's almost quits. And his part isn't great, as you said. Our esteemed colleague, Cam Collins, enraged both of us and really lit the fire for this podcast. And you know what? We didn't invite him either. He's not invited after the mean tweet he had about Jamie Fox. basically insinuated, Jamie might have mailed it in in the movie. And I tweeted under it, that hurt my feelings.

And it did. It genuinely hurt my feelings. He felt that way. You don't think Jamie Fox mailed this in, right? It's weirdly one of my favorite Jamie Fox performances. I agree. Even if he did mail it in, I don't necessarily think that's bad for a Jamie Fox performance. Exactly.

It's, it's, it's, uh... He made the decision to mail it in. Yeah, it's the opposite of Dionne Writers' hands. It's sort of like, I'm just going to play my role and set picks and do some back screens, but he, whether because he's disaffected or because he's just trying to get off the set because Farrell's crazy and Michael Mann's writing the script as they're going along and there's shootings on the set. He really underplays this role and I think it really works with the tone of the movie.

He lets his personality out in the scenes with his girlfriend, played by Naomi Harris, Saturday. What happened to her? She's around. She never, never like really blew it up though, right? She never popped off on a major level. I think she's super likable in this movie. I don't know. She never found the right part.

She does really good stuff though. Yeah. But in those scenes, the personality comes out. But other than that, he plays it really straight. He does not play Tubbs as a wise crack guy compared to on the TV show, Philip Michael Thomas's Tubbs has some of the most over-the-top scenes in the history of television, including the famous strip joint scene with that what was that rock whale song? I always feel like. Somebody's watching me. And he gets up as Tubbs. He's doing spins.

It's on YouTube. It's flat out fantastic. But Fox rained it in. The one thing Tubbs could do in this movie, fly planes. Yeah. In the TV show, Tubbs was just this New York City cop kind of on the rise who was trying to find out who killed his brother. Right. It's hard to say what happened with the ending and how it would have been different because I actually like the ending, which we'll get to in this movie.

but the fact that Michael Mann remains disappointed to this day makes me wonder what the ending could have been in the Dominican Republic Yeah, most people say... How phenomenal was it that Michael Mann is still pissed off about it?

Well, you have to imagine that this is his baby, right? Like, he's done a lot of different adaptions of stuff. He did, you know, Manhunter was a novel. Last Moheekins is a novel. He's worked on a bunch of different kinds of projects. He and Miami Vice, which you could look at in a lot of ways as these, you know, these duo crime films are basically the major stories he's been working on

for most of his career up into the point where he puts out Miami Vice as a movie. And he had done other versions of heat, it's a television movie version. You know, he'd been working on that for a long time. And now, Miami Vice was, by all accounts, the movie version of it was Fox's idea. Like Fox went up by reportedly went up to man at the Ali party, like the party for the movie release and was like, we got to do Vice. You know, that he was, in on it. He had worked with a man twice before on collateral and Ali. So he knew his shooting style. He knew what he did. Something about this movie went off the tracks, though. It's interesting because when he was in Ali, I'd never even consider Jamie Fox an actor. I just thought he was like

a comedy guy and got from living color. I think the Ali performance is better than Ray. Well, that's the thing. He's in Ali and he was kind of the revelation of Ali. He put Bundini Brown and he's having these scenes are like, wait a second, is Jamie Fox an actor? Yeah. Was one of those. The collateral, he's really good. And another understated performance. And then this one, I was super hype for this movie and it came out.

I was like, you know, I remember I went, I covered the Ali junket for page two in 2001. And I went and it was the only junk that I think I ever covered. You get like 10 minutes of everybody. And Michael Mann was in the room. And this was, I'm still young. I hadn't been around that many celebrities. and I'd revered Miami Vice and Michael Mann. And I genuinely geeked out.

How did you take it? Well, there was like 20 other people there. I just had more of that like stalking look on my face probably. But I was just so I was like, that guy's a genius. I can't believe I'm in the room with the genius. Like that was kind of the level he was at. And now I look back at Miami Vice. I think one of the reasons that it belatedly kind of took off was the TVs and the HD.

Uh-huh. So like 06, most of us, none of us really have the widescreens yet, right? No. We don't have HD yet. I still had a box back then. Yeah. Most people have a box. We don't have HD.

Now you have these nice TVs and they're nice and spread out and the colors are great. And you can really appreciate this movie for what it is, which is just, just spectacularly shot movie. What were the cameras they used for this? They use like some special cameras cameras that aren't normally. Tom's and Viper film cameras. So they're digital, these digital film cameras, I think part of what they can do. do is shoot it at night with no additional lighting. They're basically, they can read light at a very sensitive level so that you don't have to

put a key light over Colin Farrell's face when he's standing in an empty parking lot in the middle of the night. And most of this movie is at night. Yeah. And you mentioned how this movie is so rewatchable. It starts like in the middle of a scene, basically. Oh, yeah. There's no credits.

It's like, all right, here we go. And then the movie, and they're in the strip joint. And there are a strip joint slash nightclub. And it's just off. We're off. We don't know, even know who's in the movie. They're a mansion. Yeah.

The movie ends with Jamie, Colin Farrell drops off Gung Lee and goes to the hospital. He just gets out of the car. He's this weird walk toward the hospital and he goes in the door and it just ends. Yeah. The movie from start to finish goes at a certain pace and never says, here I am and now I'm leaving. And it could still be going. It feels like it could be going 13 years later. And it really lends itself to a kind of, it's not even from cursism.

It is, but it's also film celebration. You know, guys like Sean Witsky, who we worked with at Grantland, who he and I both love this movie. And just like the way that you can sort of break down a movie into its little parts on your website, on your blog, on your Tumblr, where you can take screenshots, you can do gifts, you can take little YouTube clips. And you can kind of separate it from the context of the actual film and whether or not the movie itself is like this ultimately satisfying story that teaches you something about life. You can just extract the coolness from it now. And I think that in a weird way, it's almost like it's better appreciated as a greatest hits album than as a album statement. It's almost easier to listen to the singles within the movie. But there's so many good singles in it that you wind up being like, this is a great album, you know?

You were the first person I knew who liked it. Yeah. I had always liked it, but was kind of afraid to come out of the closet with it. And then I heard you talk about how much you liked it. And then I think I got it on Blu-ray, the unrated director. cut or the extra cut or whatever that was like there is a distinction i mean the director's cut this is an extra 30 minutes of stuff and it has a different opening and it i think just other parts of it get fleshed out with little character beats scenes go on a little bit longer than they do in the theatrical

version but the most significant part is just this little bit where you get why they're at the club in the first place yeah just because they're working on an undercover case that seems important yeah which is still in the miami vice verse it's just so awesome because They're like, we got to go undercover. So what should we go undercover as? Go fast boat drivers. You know? And it's like awesome.

It's not just like you guys aren't junkies. You're not doing anything that's not so cool. You're at like the Miami Polo Cub posing as like speedboat drivers. So this is one of your favorite director's cuts for like adding to a movie. Yeah. I mean, I tend to. There's another one that's Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven, which is this Orlando Bloom movie that I think it's.

the theatrical version is like two hours or something, but really Scott's version might be like a little bit more than three hours. And it's incredible. It's like it's not Lawrence of Arabia good, but it's really, really, really great. I know that there are some directors who are just like, if I didn't get to put that out in the theater, I'm not going to do like a makeup call on it.

See, I don't like that theory at all. Like Scorsesey won't do that. Yeah. Well, Paul Thomas Sanderson said to us, he doesn't go backwards. Really? But like Cameron Crowe has the untitled director's cut for Almost Famous.

And I think it really adds to it. Like there's stuff with Russell Hammond and, you know, I think sometimes studios get scared by these big fat movies and they're just like two hours. Yeah. That's it. Don't go one minute over. I think Vice is probably like 204. Yes.

And the director's cuts like 240. Yeah. Right. Right. But, you know, this movie, it costs between 135 and 150, depending on who you believe. They did an insane amount of marketing for it. Yeah. And I think it barely broke even.

But probably now can. considering how much it's on TV, it's probably paying off. You know, the other thing about this is that, you know, it probably had one of the sharpest disparities between what it was being sold as and what it was. Now, I don't know if you... Because it was the shadow of the TV series. Sure, but if you, they sold it as Lincoln Park playing these guys being like,

we get down when we calls for it and just, you know, like one more over the top. You know, it was a real buddy cop movie. And when you go see it, it's basically a, an art film that happens to include drug smuggling. It's a $150 million art film with action. So I don't know if anyone would have gone and seen it if you had presented it more as this is this arty movie. This came out, I think, in like May or June that year, right?

It was a summer. It was supposed to be a summer blockbuster. Well, I remember for some reason I'm going to say it was NBC, which I think would make sense, but I was watching something and they promoted a scene from the news. New Miami Vice, an actual scene. Maybe it was the contender. Is that possible? That boxing show.

Yeah, that would make sense. And it ended and it was, Sony was like, oh, my God, they're going to show a scene from the movie. Holy shit. And they showed the scene of when they go to see Yarrow for the first time. Yeah. And they're walking through the streets and just the whole scene with Sonny holding the grenade, which is really one of the best five minutes in the movie.

Yes. And after they showed that, I was like, oh, my God. We can close each other's eyes real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, when is this coming out? And, you know, and then all the hype and everything. And it just, the theater experience didn't live up to it. Yeah. It was too jarring. But now it's not jarring. Now it's been 12 years. And you talk about man, you know, he's his genius. And we've obviously talked about him a lot on previous rewatchables, especially heat. One of the things that you just, I don't think I appreciated it at the time and that now I look at it and I'm just like, you're the one man is how you can feel him pushing himself. even though he's going back to the well and doing this thing that he probably is the best known for other than he He's like I am not going to play anything straight

I'm not going to do any of my old tricks Even when there's a heist moot scene It's going to have all these weird angles And I'm going to shoot something from the Backseat of a car as guys are getting shot So it's not as visceral or it's much more horrifying And it's alienating It's just so many moves he does in this movie

Like every time I watch this movie there is a new shot where I'm like, you know, there's a shot even just in the John Hawks death scene on the highway that happens in the first 20 minutes of the movie where it's, I think it's from John Hawks's perspective and he's looking off and he's just like this weird five second shot of the night. Yeah, he's staring off. And he's trying to decide whether or not like what to do is he's finding out that his wife has been killed by the Aryan Brotherhood. And I had never noticed that before. And if I had, I probably was like, why are you cutting away from here? Yeah. And it's so good.

good as like this is the last seconds of this guy's life. And it's just little things like that. You do not notice when you're in a movie theater. You're like, where is in the air tonight? It's just different. The handheld camera stuff is really good that he does this movie too. Yeah. I mean, he didn't have Jan Hammer. Yeah. Who was had the iconic. My advice time, which by the way is my cell phone ring that people hear on the on the podcast sometimes with my phone rings that I forget to turn the ring off like a little bit earlier. Yeah. I'll let it ring the next time. You can listen. Listen to some John Homer. But yeah, he did not want to make Miami Vice the TV show as a movie.

All right, we're going to do the categories. But before we do, I have a challenge for you. Okay. But I'm going to time you, actually. Oh, God. You've 30 seconds to explain the entire plot of Miami Vice. I'm way better at the beginning, but here's how it starts. All right, go.

Okay. Crockett and Tubbs are Miami-Dade PD, like major crimes detectives. They go undercover here and there. They're friends with this guy named Alonzo who has been contracted. out of Miami dayd work to work for the FBI. So he's working on an FBI case, but that case gets blown up. Like somebody is a mole inside of the investigation. 10 seconds left.

And they, and then he meets Gongley, and they go on a boat and have a mojito, and then there's a couple of shootouts that it's over. Close. Yeah. Close. Good job.

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this beautiful story about a friendship between these two guys and one spark to, he's like, what if they robbed cars? The most rewatchable scene of Miami Vice, a surprising number of candidates there. First of all, do you count the 15-minute opening as its own scene or would you split that up? Where are you cutting it off?

Well, I could say you could basically start it and go all the way through to John Hark's getting hit by the truck because I feel like you could. With the Leonetta getting killed. You can go the whole thing. Or just the opening in the nightclub as its own. The nightclub is so awesome What's your name?

It's one of the best five-minute openings That's ever happening For some reason they're just taking up bouncers They're like just breaking guys hands I'm no idea why I don't know idea why so many people Had to be maimed and crippled Also just like the random like

Sunny being like Where are you from Rita And she's like this boy And he's like But she got your tan and my hand I want a mojito This movie made me want to drink bohitos Yeah

It's a very very very pro-Mohito movie. All right, so we'll split those up. The opening, the meet and greet gone wrong is fantastic. John Harks, one of the best suicide scenes, I think we've ever seen. John Hawks, I'm sorry. John Harks was a soccer player. Sorry, John Hawks.

Just somehow knows the truck's coming. Just nails him perfectly, drags them under, and then man cuts away right away. Can't really blame them too. Yeah, it's pretty tough. Yeah. You get your wife beaten up and killed like that, because you dimed her out. Tough to move on.

Right. After that one. The Haiti negotiation scene mentioned earlier. Let's go to Cuba for Mahidos. Hold that thought. The kidnapped trailer blows up, which is a gripping five minutes. Like legit gripping when they go to save Jamie Fox's girlfriend. The final shootout.

And then the actual, actual ending, I would say, are the most rewatchable. My personal vote, him and Gongli hopping on the speedboat and going to Cuba for Mojitos is absolutely one of the most breathtaking five minutes that will ever just randomly be on cable. Yeah. It is so good. It makes no sense. It's completely illogical. I don't know where they got closed. What is the time, boat time, time in boat.

I don't, we're not supposed to ask these questions. It's an awkward first date. You can't talk the whole time. You're bouncing on the ways. Evan, when you find out how far Miami is to Cuba, like how many miles? Thank you. By boat. Like, what's the time in boat?

So to recap, they have a business meeting talking about Crockett and Tubbs are pretending to be drug buyers. Drug buyers or drug supporters? You're doing transpo. Yeah, yeah. Good way to put it. Yeah. They have a business meeting.

There's a little something going on with Gongli and Colin Farrell. They talk a little bit. There's some flirting. And basically he says, do you want to go get a drink? She's like, what do you like to drink? He says, mojitos. I know the perfect place to get mojitos. It's in Cuba.

Fortunately, he has a speedboat. And they're off. They're going to Cuba. How many days do they spend there? Four or five? It makes it seem like it's an app. It's like a happy hour thing. Does he have clothes?

I don't know. Does she have clothes? Do you not get a little seasick when you're doing that? Like, I guess he's going 130 miles an hour. It's like, put the seat on a boat. A boat and the first thing you want is sugary rum. They're going so fast. He has to lean over and put a seatbelt on her.

Yeah. Because she's going to fly out of the boat. And I don't know. She has an outfit change. Did she have a house in Cuba? Yeah. Whose house were they at? She must have had her own house, right?

The Archangel has like a couple places down there, right? So she had clothes there because she's wearing four dresses when they're in Cuba. But there's so many great things about that scene. First of all, it looks. spectacular. Spectacular. It also harkens back to vice because there's this great one.

The best vice ever was the two-part Calderon's revenge when they ended up finally killing Calderone. But a two-parter and the first beginning of the second part they finally find out some sort of connection to find out where Calderon is. They're interrogating the guy in the beginning.

Tubbs hits a glass, breaks the glass. It actually cuts. the guy, the actor's face. And they realize they have to go to the Bahamas. Yeah. And they hop in a boat. And they just film a music video on the boat for like, I'm going to say two minutes. And the song, this is really cool 80s song called Voices.

And it's like, voices. I hear voices. And it's a montage of they're just remembering all the times they almost died because Calderon. And it's like a music video. And it is one of the best four minutes of the 80s on television. and Michael Mann pulls it back. He says I'm going back some memories.

Because there were some, a lot of speedboat scenes that first season. This is the best speedboat scene that's ever been filmed in the movie. This is also the dance sequence. It leads to the dance sequence. Yeah. Which is to me up there with the flute sequence in Anchorman

where you're just like, why is this in the movie? You know, it's like all this stuff that they cut out. Yeah. Maybe cut this one out. Yeah. And it does do, I'm just the same thing with the, I don't know if this is director's call only, but there's just like a very long Jamie Fox sex scene

with Naomi Harris and the director's cut. And he was like, wow, I got the picture, but we're going to keep going with this for another two or three minutes. Yeah, he's like really ramming it home. And it's just like we really get like the full date that they have in Havana. It's wild.

I got to say it was effective though because that stuff with Jamie Fox, even though it was a little raw, it does make you think like, oh yeah, that's his girl. Yeah, he's going to do anything for her. Right, for Trudy. Yeah.

So your number one rewatchable is what? Speedbook? It's the Euro negotiation when they go there. And it's Jackson fucking Pollock or whatever the line is. It's like the wallpaper is going to look like Jackson Pollock. And the grenade and everything. Yeah. The I have this grenade and I'll kill everybody move is fantastic.

Anytime it happens at a movie. It's always effective. Because the movie is a quasi-realistic movie, but they do stuff all the time where you're like, what? You could possibly do this. Look at. Yeah. The speedboat is, uh, if I know that, if I'm within 10 minutes of knowing that's happening,

it's, I'm staying. Dinner is being postponed. Yeah. I'm like, hold on. Wait, what's happening? Is there a basketball game? No, it's, they're about to get in this speedboat. Evan, how far is it?

So 250 miles and he's going like 100 miles per hour? 80 miles per hour? Let's give him 80. Okay. So it's a three hour ride. Three hour ride going 80 miles an hour and a speedboat. You're throwing up. Oh, my God.

First of about, nobody's going to be able to hear anything. Right. There's no, like... So it's a three-hour, completely silent, nauseating boat ride. You get out in Havana and you're like, let's go get mojitos and dance. Not like, I need to take a dramamine and pass out for three hours. Let's say they're going 60 miles an hour. Now it's four hours.

Isn't the boat cold? Like, there's no jackets? Yeah. The ocean's cold. Waves. Other boats, the Coast Guard. Wow. That's fantastic.

What's age the best? Ironically, one of the candidates here is mojitos. In fact, when I was watching this a month ago before I rewatch this for this, I had the mojito scene and Gongli is like, how do you like the mojitos? And he's like, they're excellent. And I just videotaped it and texted it to you because the lack of chemistry in that scene is pretty hilarious. but Mojitos are a big winner in this movie. They really are. Huge.

The mid-2000s music, which I'm going to come back to in a second. Colin Farrell's hair. Really nice. It's come back around. It's come back around. It actually seems like he's 12 years ahead of time. It was so weird at the time. And now you're like, you know what?

He's making it work. And the mustache, great too. If you saw a Sunny Crockett dressed like that in Miami now, I think you'd probably be like, yeah, I get it. The mustache, too, right? For sure. Without the mustache. it doesn't work.

He kind of looks like the coolest baseball reliever on a team in the National League Championship game crossed with a cop in Miami. Like a brave or a giant. Yeah. I mentioned how great the HD widescreen is now. The cinematography in general. Wonderfully that's age with how they film the movie. Just Cuba.

Great. Anytime anybody says let's go to Cuba, I'm in. The Fast and Furious franchise has used this. Don't they do that they also go to the triple frontier, right? Where like Uruguay and Paraguay and Brazil art or something like that. Cuba in movies seems way more fun than it probably is. It just seems like just one big party and totally safe. Yeah.

It's like let's go to Cuba. We'll have drinks. It's always a nightclub which is a quick four-hour boat ride. The driving and silence scenes. Yeah. There's a couple. Now that's a call back to Tubbs and Crockett from back in the day. because they would have scenes where they would be driving

and Tubbs would look over at Crockett or vice versa. There's a lot of like silent nodding and staring and soulful staring. I have a question about that. Yeah. So one of the things that's really disappointing about living in Los Angeles is that you spend so much time in your car. It's really cool. It beats, you know, waiting on subways.

But the traffic is so bad that you never really get to feel like tonight I'm just going to take a drive. Silent. Yeah, silent drive and listen to the radio. or whatever. Which, by the way, being from the East Coast, was one of my favorite. Yeah.

I love driving probably more than anybody. And it really, so it's a real tease to live out here. But one of the things that drives me nuts about the Miami Vice stuff is half the time in their car scenes in Miami Vice, they take cell phone calls. So they're driving at like 105 miles per hour down 995. And Jamie Fox is just like, hey, Sal, what's up, man? How you doing? And I'm like, there's no way.

Yeah. In 2006 phone tech, you can hear anybody while you're driving. while you're driving 105 in a convertible. And somehow that was 100 times more realistic than them having a speedboat conversation, 130 bucks an hour. Another one that's aged the best, Magwai, did I say that right, the band?

Yes, you sure did. That piano song at the end? With the shot of the waterfall. So good. What happened to Maguire? They're still kicking, man. I love Maguire. They've run out of my favorite bands the last 20 years.

It's hard to imagine a no vocal song being used better for an ending. Yeah, Maguire has like really, really good cinematic music. They actually did the entire score for this really inventive documentary about Zinidine Zadon. And it's just like them playing music over a single

camera isolation of Zadon playing in a Rayal Madrid game. That inspired the Kobe doing work. Yeah, exactly. It's the original news cage. Yeah. That one was the good one. Yeah. I think Michael Mann, I don't know if he gets enough credit for how he uses music. No. I mean, but he is one of him and Scorsese are the two big, like, introducing pop music into these moments.

I think Jonathan Demi did it really well, too. But the difference between them is Michael Mann will use new music from the era, whereas Scorsese will use the Rolling Stones and the seven bands that he loved when he was 20. The music in this movie is a really good metaphor for the movie itself. So when I first... Yeah, that was going to be the last one's age the best is the mid-2000s music. So go ahead. Well, I was just going to say that when I first heard the numb encore. mashup by Jay Z and Lincoln Park.

Which, by the way, has age beautiful. I was like, terrible idea. I love encore. Jay Z's made the Black album. He's at like the peak of his powers. Yeah, why are you doing this? Why are we ruining this? It just takes me out of it.

It makes me feel like this Miami Vice movie is just like a part of a corporate marketing plan. Then you see in the movie and you're like, you're like, all right. Then like about five, six years later, you're like, you know what's not bad? Is that numb encore mashup? Right.

And then in 2007. You're just like, you know what bangs? Fucking numb and encore together. Why would I want chocolate and peanut butter separated? You know? Like, it's so good. And just the other day, I was just like, this song, and I played it in our slack. And like half the people were just like, this makes me want to deadlift.

Like, I'm ready to go play in a high school football game right now. And it's just one of the most inspiring hype songs, even though 10 years ago, I hated it. My daughter, when we drive to soccer games, we've always listened to like Kanye and hip hop and stuff that would get her fired up. And there's always a playlist. So there's been like five years of playlist now. And we listen to Kanye so much that we had to start introducing other songs. I introduced that one like about a year ago. It's just hard not to get fired up to do anything athletic after you hear that song.

It's so good. It's so good. It's really good. And she knows it's one of the classics. I remember when this movie came out, I had a real problem with the music. I was like, what the fuck, dude? Why are you playing all this heavy metal rock rap song?

You want 80s feeling like new waves since. Yeah, right. And now it's like absolutely the perfect music for this movie. And it actually captures, what was that? About a two, three year stretch there with that kind of music. Yeah, and it has a lot of... It hits the best ones, basically. Like the Moby in it is really good.

And that was sort of like a big thing in heat was using Moby. They do a lot of stuff with like King Brit and this kind of like Latin influenced house music is in it. It's just really, really perfect for the movie itself. Yeah. And I was trying to think of other mid-2000s movies. Yeah. This is probably the quintessential mid-whatever weird era that was.

Yeah. This probably did the best job of incorporating the music into it. Right? Yeah. I don't really know what the other options are. It's also just like pretty, pretty. pretty accurate to like Miami club culture I think in some ways. Yeah. It had the kind

of music you probably would have heard at places like Mansion or bed or live or whatever the ones that were big back then. So what do you think is what's age the best for you? The music. The cinematography is age the best. Somehow even though you'd expect something like that to be completely advanced past

I think that there's just nothing that looks like it. And there's nothing that feels like this movie. And even the way he would use it. Yeah, just like the little cutaways that he does like when their SWAT team is trying to go save Alonzo's wife, but it's too late and it's all silent, you know, and just it's just an incredible looking movie.

You can watch it with the sound off. He also, because so much of it is at night, the daylight scenes really stand out. Yeah. When it's daylight, oh, daylight. And you know, like something's going to happen. What's age the worst? Flip phones.

The mumbling. The mumbling. I guess we'll never know. We'll never know until the greatest day in Ringer podcast network history. And Michael Mann comes in and sits down with you, me and Sean. And he just mumbles for three hours. And we just interrogate him. We chain him to a chair and we fire questions at him for nine hours.

Yeah. We get all answers thing. Gongli's dialogue. She was a translator. I told you a photograph. It's a flung wedding. It's a bad feat. On the research that I did for this, I was stunned to find out.

that she memorized all of her lines phonetically because she just doesn't speak English. Once I knew that, I don't want to say it ruined Gongley because I'm going to defend her in a second. It's just weird. It's weird to watch. And yet it's weird to watch in a way that I kind of like,

it's unique, it's different. Her character is very strange and she does a lot with like her hands and like her eyes and intensity. And it's almost like the words don't really matter as much as the attitude behind them. Yeah. So I think I'm all the way around on it,

but it also would have been nice if she maybe could have had lived. Emotionally present. Yeah, right. She's literally remembering sounds as the, to spit out of her mouth. And you have to imagine that with Farrell, given what we're sort of led to believe about his state of being at that time, that he was not necessarily sticking to the script all the time. I don't know what to make of their chemistry.

I know I've never seen anything like it in a movie. Yeah. But I also think he had way more chemistry with the waitress. in the beginning of the movie? Sure. You ordering a mojito. He'd be a hundred times worse sexual chemistry. You're there.

Got you tan in Miami, though. Yeah. The Gong Lee. What's age as well as for you? Any other candidates that I didn't mention? The mumbling stuff. I mean, like the gong Lee thing is one of those things is so bad. You can't imagine the movie without it.

The mumbling, I think, turns a lot of people off to the initial rewatch. There are scenes like that scene in the top of the parking garage for at the beginning of the movie with Cyran Hines and Jamie and, and Colin and the police captain we're just like, I just can't hear what's what they're saying to each other. And it's like, what is this? The setup of the movie. It seems important. Yeah. It would be like

diehard if Bonnie Bedelia was like, do you want to come over to the Nakatomi Plaza? It's just like, that's the whole point of the movie is to understand why these guys are going under cover in the first place. Are you pro-gongli or anti-gongling? At this point, I'm pro-gongley, yeah, for sure. I'm 100% pro-gongly.

Yeah. I've never really seen anyone like her in a major role in an action movie like this? Are you pro Gong Lee and Archangel Montoya's relationship? Do you buy that she would just be like, this is what I want to do, is just kind of read the financial times in the middle of the Amazon with this guy? Yeah, with my... He had like that heavy gross beard and just stares straight ahead and that weird look at his face.

He looks a lot like the guy from Heat who sets up the bank robbery. Yeah, Michael Man loves those guys. He's just out there. I think she's a movie star. I can see why she was like one of the biggest movie stars in China because she has so much charisma and intensity in this performance. And meanwhile, she can barely speak English. I had to remember it as all sense.

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What the fuck was he doing? Battlestar Galactica or something? I don't know. That's bullshit. Get over yourself, Edward James almost. Get to work with Michael Mann as a director. Maybe he wanted it to be Castillo's story, you know? He can fuck off.

He had his own two-part episode in season one of Miami Vice. Jan Hammer was asked to do a different type of score. Turned it down. Okay. Did they say what kind? Was it more Lincoln Park-based? My guess is he didn't want Jan Hammer. So he's like, hey, instead of the piano, what if you do?

Death Metal. Metal rock. She's like, what? Will Smith, Denz, Washington and Samuel Jackson were considered for the roles of Ricardo Tubbs. I don't know if I believe that. I believe the Will Smith and that says. This is Fox's idea.

It's his third movie in a row with man. He's not shanking Fox. They're not going to Denzel Washington and be like, you want to play Ricardo Tubbs. You played Malcolm X. You want to play Ricardo Tubbs? Yeah, come on. He's a sidekick. Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Matthew McConaughey, all considered for the role of Sunny Crockett.

I don't believe McConaughey. No way on Cruz. That's ludicrous. Cruz is Sunny Crockett. I would have thrown my body in front of that. Brad Pitt Is this movie better or worse with Brad Pitt? The biggest emblem of my

my increasing ever-increasing love for this movie is how into Colin Farrell's performance I am. That's how I feel. Yeah. Guess what Brad Pitt? You're out of luck. Also, as a big fan of making of behind-the-scenes stuff, you know, I love when you watch Heart of Darkness

and you see everything that Martin Sheen was going through on the set of Apocalypse Now. there's an element to what happened to Colin Farrell while he was on the set where he was obviously battling with a lot of substance use problems and a lot of emotional problems or whatever. You could kind of feel that in the performance. I agree. And it's not charismatic. It is not a movie star performance. He barely enunciates.

He looks physically own well. But it is a real choice, man. It is a really cool performance in a lot of ways. So I, you know, for as much as I love Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio and Tom Cruise or whatever, like there's just no one. Nobody else I'd rather see in this role. Well, and also on the TV series, Sunny was this kind of booze in cigarette smoking, trouble with the ladies, going through a divorce guy who, you know, was the kind of guy I'd wake up at one in the morning and a speedboat and some girls leaving.

So can I ask you- Colin Farrow that fit, the way he played it and the way he was in real life, that was Sunny Crockett. There's that scene in the movie where Trudy explains how they're getting their aliases together. So it's like, you guys both did Time in Pelican Bay and Sunny's an ex-military. and Tubbs did 10 years for, you know, armed robbery, and they're putting together their identities. I'm never quite positive in the show or the movie.

Just like, are they using, like, evidence or, like, repossessed money to fund the car leases or what? I had this in the picking knit section. We can get to it there then. Let's save that because there's another separate question for that, too. I'm glad we agree on Colin Farrow. Yeah. And there are scenes,

especially like in the last third of the movie before the shootout, when it seems like in real life he's going off the deep end. Oh, yeah. He starts to actually look worse as the movie, we hit about the hour and a half mark. For sure. It looks like he's like barely getting through it. They're like, Colin, can you hold on for four more days

and then we'll take you to rehab? It does have that feel to it. The Dion Waders Award, John Harks slash Hawks. John Hawks. Sorry, John Hawks that I called you, John Harks. Dom from Antarash. During the apex of Dom for Montarash, he's the bald guy whose partners with Justin Thoreau. Yeah.

Bald skin head guy, who's been a bad guy in a number of movies. Yes. He's the head guy. He's in the first shootout. He's at the shootout at the end. Trudy. The accent is extra. Trudy, is Trudy Naomi Harris or no?

Yeah. What was the other partner's name? The other woman in the movie? Yeah, the other woman. Are you talking about Gina Calabrese? She has some pretty good police, like rolling around the cars, firing up shooting. That's a good combo. For sure.

That's Sandra San Diego or Elizabeth Vargas, yeah. Yeah, in the TV series, they were just basically Trudy and Sandra Santiago are basically just hookers. Right. They never actually used them as cops. I was like, can you guys pretend to be hookers again? and um you're leaving two big names on the on the draft board Yarrow and heavily bearded guy who else am I leaving out you leaving Eddie Marzon is Nicholas in there the guy who has to set up the buy in the

first place and he's just like in his condo and he's just like baby they're vertically integrated do you know what that means usually the Dionne Waiters award winner for best he check jumps out I don't know who who it is this time. I think it's Marzen. I think it's really that. That is one scene when he goes for it so huge. And he's just like, they're like, why haven't you cleaned up your apartment?

You know, it's such a great scene with him doing that. Not John Hawks? Well, Hawks goes out like a champ. I mean, we give it to Hawks. I vote for Hawks. Okay, I'll go Hawks to me. We can split it. No, we can split it.

Half-Fass internet research. Apparently, they did fake drug busts with Colin Farrow, but they were actually, they told Colin Farrell they were real. No, come on. Yeah. What's your source on that? This was half-ass internet research. David Nunes told you that?

Man put Farrell in jeopardy by bringing him along, parentheses, with real FBI drug squads to drug busts so the actor could build up the character of Crockett even more. It was later revealed that man faked these busts. Oh, okay. When the film version was being developed by Michael Mann, Don Johnson was asked who he would pick to play Sonny Crockett. Who did he suggest? Colin Farrell. Number one draft pick. In all European advertising for the film,

Colin Farrell got top billing, but in the American advertising, Jamie Fox got top billing. Yeah, I remember that. The advertising, the commercials also leaned on Fox a lot too. The boat taken to Cuba by Sunny and Isabella, Gongley's character, is an MTI powerboat named Mojo that is on sale for $500,000. I'm going to look up what Mojo's top MPH is.

When we sell the ringer, I'm buying Mojo and you and I are going, where can we go? What's four hours away that we would throw up on each other? Which trip? Seattle. We're going to Seattle. Catalina.

120 miles per hour is the max MPH on this thing. On the mojo? Yeah. I'm looking at the Miami Vice boat. Let's say he's going 110. 250 miles. So that's like 2.10? Yeah, here's a newsflash.

You know what? It doesn't feel good going 110 on the Atlantic Ocean. It's amazing. they didn't flip over. Here's my number one greatest fact from this movie. Colin Farrell is 11 years younger than Lee Gongli. You knew this? I didn't.

Okay. Apex Mountain. Other than Dom from Entourage and Mojitos. What is, I don't know if anyone... What is your Colin Farrell Apex Mountain? Are you saying this is a belated apex? I'm saying that I think it might be in Rushmore.

I think it's in the, it's in the conversation. I mean, for me, it's the Miami Vice movie. Is it? It's the most profound Colin Farrell performance. Mine's in Bruch. Okay. Jamie Fox, no.

Michael Mann, no. Gongley, definitely not. Probably not. The Mojo Speedboat, yes. Until we buy it. Try to raise it to Hawaii. 500 grand. Yeah.

That's about it. Anything else? For Apex Mountain? I mean, the Thompson Viper cameras. Way to go for those. Apex Mountains for those. This is the easiest category we've ever had. Would Danny Trejo have made this movie better?

Is there any role? There's 20 roles he played in. The exception of Trayho in. He could have been. Like an Eddie Murphy movie where he plays all the parts. He plays Crockett Tubbs. He could have played Fujima. He could have played Euro.

He could have played Montoya. He could have played. The Sadface. Sergeant guy. What's that guy's Barrett or Tubbs? Yeah, right. I mean, like,

he could have played, he could have played Alonzo. He could have been... He basically is Alonzo in heat. He definitely could have been Alonzo.

Yeah. Put me out of my misery. He could have played John Hawks. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You could have played Alonzo. Well, Danny,

it's almost insulting that he wasn't. This is the Trejo movie. It's insulting that he wasn't in this. Probably what we would have just, you know, we would have had ourselves a blockbuster on our hands of Trejo is in this movie at least once.

I wonder if Michael Mann and Trejo had a falling out during heat. That's good question. That's the only reason I can think of that he was in this movie, or he had a schedule conflict. Picky Nitz, you mentioned the cell phone thing, which is just being able to have cell phone calls in speedboats and convertibles is a stretch. Where do they get all the money for the drive? That's never been clear in any TV or movie.

So I always assume that they have so much cash on hands. Repossessed cash, houses that they've repossessed. I guess clothes. You're talking tens of millions of dollars. Like cars. The other thing I've always wondered, and this was one of my issues with Miami Vice,

even when I was watching as a kid, how did Crockett and Tubbs stay undercover for that long in one city? Oh, God. Remember because in the beginning this movie they're like, turn away from the crime scene? Yeah.

It's like, just like two guys driving around a Ferrari is normal anyway? Like, do you guys just not notice that? The, and the TV shows, show, his alias was Sunny Burnett. Yeah. I was like, oh, that'll throw him off the Senate.

I love it when it's just one name. Yeah. They do that with witness protection. Yeah, with witness protection sometimes they do that. Any other pick and nits we covered the speedboat from going Miami to Cuba, how they had clothes in Cuba. There's a moment. How he just disappeared from work for four days during this massive investigation that

he's allegedly supposed to be doing? I'll be right back, guys. When the Aryan Brotherhood, I've never done a drug deal with a white supremacist bank the biker gang but when the Aryan Brotherhood is having that meet with the guy who winds up being an FBI agent and the guy is like

we got meth we got ice we got speed it's like those are the same things more or less I think you could have just covered them with one so there's a degree to which

where I'm like did Michael Mann know what he was doing or did he just go to like a drugs website and listed all the drugs and get a drug consultant Michael man Colin Farrell's on set

yeah it's right there yeah you should have made up couple drugs, right? Or just like, you've been like, I got microphone. If you say you've got ice, you could just keep it moving from there. Yeah. The other picking nits I had, are we sure Crackett and Tubbs are friends in this movie?

Did they have one moment that made you think? I think there's a little bit more antagonism. Like when he comes out and he's like over at Trudy and Rico's place and Trudy's obviously been there with Rico, he's just kind of like doesn't say anything and she's like, hello Trudy. Like she has to remind him. And then Rico obviously gets nervous about Isabella and Sunny getting together later in the movie and it winds up kind of backfiring and almost, you know, like with Trudian stuff. So I definitely don't think that there is close in this movie, although they have scenes where they're just like, we're in so deep.

We got to take it to the limit, you know? There wasn't the scene that I would have thrown in. In 48 hours, it's a great one of this when Nick Nolte and Eddie Murphy go get a drink after they think they've lost Gans and they're just kind of hanging out. and it's clear there's like a friendship. I needed that scene. Maybe is it in the director's cut? It's not. Not really.

They have a little bit more hanging out. The director's cut, they do a little bit more driving around together. They seem like they get along great when they're in the car. Like a scene where they can't find Crockett, but is that the Clevelander? Yeah. He's having a drink.

He's watching Lepitart show. He's hanging out with Stu Gatz. Yeah. That'd be good. He's like, Tanna hell's not elite. He's like, who was the 2006 Dolphins quarterback? I don't even know.

I've been trying to find you. Where have you been? I was talking to Mike Ryan and Guillermo. Me and Matt Root. Me and Matt Moore were in the back of the bar. Doing Coke, ice, math, speed. The best quote, there's really only one. And it's a great quote.

And it's a quote that he used from heat. And he used from Manhunter. So obviously it's the most important quote of Michael's man's life. Because the Manhunter is used by Molly talking Will Graham. In heat, it was used by Neil McCauley as he was trying to convince Edy. Edy to leave with him. Why are you so interested in medals, lady? And then it's used again, Isabella telling Sonny Crockett,

life is short, time is luck. Time's luck is great. Life is short time is luck. Some variation of that is the theme of every Michael Man movie. Yeah. The heat is around the corner. 20 seconds, life is short time is luck. Clearly he thinks about time a lot,

the constraints of time. Mark Ruffalo overacting award. This is the first time we've done this where you could do it. The Mark Ruffalo. They knew, Robbie! They knew we cut him loose! Overacting award.

I didn't really feel it in this one. The only one I guess was overacting was the guy with the thick beard, but he might not just have been able to act. That also just might be who he is. I don't think I've ever seen him in anything else. No, he might have been some drug dealer Michael Mann found. You know, John Ortiz is great.

He does overdo a little bit too much as Euro sometimes. Yeah. I don't think anyone overacted. If anything, there was too much underacting. Yeah, exactly. There was too much underannunciation of words. Maybe we need to add a Mark Ruffalo category where it's like the Miami Vice Award for most underacting.

It's like the Mark Ruffalo Foxcatcher Award for underacting. Oh, God. I hated that movie. Probably unanswerable questions. What are we going to do Isabella and Sunny get together down the road? I'll do that now. It's on the list. Did Sonny ever go back to Cuba to find her?

I think he did. I think he's back there in a year. Well, he does say that Cubans don't like his passports. He went back for her 50th birthday and two years later. Has an interagency task force ever worked successfully in a movie? No. No. Is there ever been a...

Once I hear interagency task force. first of my, ah man, this is going to be fucked up. Yeah, they're like ATF, FBI and it's just like don't people are involved in Miami Day. This is going to be a disaster. The shootout. Which one? The ending shootout. I just feel like more good guys die in that thing. Yeah.

None of the good guys die. Zero. Zilch. Nata. Just the throw good shot. He's fine. He's going to be fine. It's okay. Even though in the beginning shootout, there's like people exploding from the bullets that the Aryan brother guys are using. Did Jamie Fox almost get Trudy killed by not getting her out of that safe house?

Yeah. I think Trudy breaks up on them after. Like a year later, she's thinking about it. She's like, you left me in there and it blew up. I can never go back. Here's my big one. Get ready. Have a seat even though you're already sitting.

So we had Miami Vice, the TV show in the 80s, captured the 80s. We had this great movie. Captures the mid 2000s. It really seems like. Like he wanted to find the sweet spot. There's a sweet spot between the movie, which he never had really enough time to do everything he wanted to do.

And the TV series, which is they're just grinding out 22 episodes. Is there a better candidate for a 10 episode? Oh, this is the Miami Vice team. This is Jan Hammer right here. Yeah. Is there a better candidate for the 10 episode, $200 million?

Netflix series, then Michael Mann bringing back Miami Vice one more time. No, but I will say that in the interim, things like Sicario and Narcos have definitely moved in on its corner. It's still Miami Vice. I agree with you. I think they are bringing it back, but I think they're bringing it back as a TV, as a more conventional TV series. So as a broadcast show or as a streaming show?

It's, no, not a streaming show. I think it's a network show. $200 million, Michael Mann, paint your canvas. They basically hand him a check for $200 million. dollars and a canvas and a paintbrush and they're like go to town man do your fucking thing come back when you're done and he

comes back and says I was thinking black hat what about black cat for 10 episodes had more to say about hacking hacking has never been bigger there's some good computer scenes that I was really excited to do Evan what's the answer so it's on NBC

yeah NBC that sucks yeah that's not going to work they should have done Netflix all right who won the movie Colin Farrell I just think it's like Like when you go back and you... Because Michael Mann's on the table for this category. I don't think you can give it to Michael Mann because of what he did before it.

Right. I think that there's a lot of stuff here that's pushing the boundaries. But there's nothing in this movie that's on the level of Lollbergman standing in the ocean talking on the phone and the insider or the bank robbery scene in heat or any number of scenes in Manhunter. I mean, the attack of the parade in last, the Mohicans. on and on. There's like really cool shit in Miami Vice, but Michael Mann's done other stuff. In a weird way, I just, I've started to associate this movie with Farrell. What about you? Farrell. There you go. You can see it in my rundown. Usually I have candidates who win the movie. Just one guy. A list of one. I think this was his Apex Mountain.

This is great. We're starting the Colin Farrell Miami Vice Renaissance. But it has close captioned it. You have to watch it. And mojitos. Let's go have some mojitos. Let's. Thanks to Evan. Thanks to Hotel Tonight.

Thanks to BMW. Thanks to ZipRecruiter. Thanks to Havana. Thanks to Havana. Thanks to the Mojo Speedboat, which we're going to buy someday. We're going to go somewhere 110 miles an hour. Thanks to seasickness. Thanks to Gongley.

Thanks to Michael Mann. Thanks to John Hammer. I don't know what the next rewatchables movie is. Goodfellas has been streaming on Netflix. It's in the mix. Come on. It's time. It's time for Goodfellas. We've been eyeballing Goodfellas. I'll be interested. You can mail us at the mailbag at the ringer.com.

We have a couple of classics that are sitting on the on deck circle. Well, I'll be interested in know from the audience how far we're allowed to go with Goodfellas. How many hours? Because Goodwill Hunting was 103 minutes. Will the podcast be longer than the runtime? So Goodfellas was two and a half hours? I can do an hour on Sorvino. It's at least two.

Thanks, everybody.