The Rewatchables - ‘Old School’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: January 15, 2019

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey relive the glory days as they rewatch the 2003 comedy ‘Old School,’ starring Luke Wilson, Vince Vaughn, and Will Ferrell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, everyone, it's Bill Simmons. Before we get started, want to let you know that you were listening to one of six classic episodes of the rewatchables, a podcast that's been around for the last few years. And if you're listening on any platform other than Spotify, you can only hear the last 60 days of new rewatchables episodes, plus these six classics, the Godfather, heat, the social network, old school, jaws, and the town. But for the entire archive, go to Spotify, where you can listen to every episode, 440. Three depressed 30-somethings seek to relive their college days by starting a fraternity at Harrison College in upstate New York. What a good idea for a movie. Old school coming up right now. Sometimes you think you have true love and then you catch the early flight home from San Diego. Today, Mitch's life took an unexpected turn. Heidi? What are you doing home? A couple of new people jump out of your bathroom blindfolded like a damn magic show.

Now, Mitch, you're on the rebound. You're like an injured young fawn who's been nursed back to health, who's finally going to be re-released into the wilderness. He's getting a little help from his friends. We're officially starting a fraternity. This is my house. I heard you guys are starting up a fraternity. Who told you that?

We're good. Old school. You're crazy. All right, I'm Bill Simmons. Sean. Fantasy is here. Chris Ryan is here. Fantasy showed up this week after a devastating bad beat in the Godfather podcast with not knowing where the Corleone compound was,

we're going to do something we've never done before in the rewatchable is at the tail end of this. We're going to do almost like Stap Boy and PTI, a couple of the things we screwed up on the Godfather podcast. So it was the most important podcast of all of our lives. I regret nothing. If this is just a way for you to relitigate the things that we roasted you about, I'm going to be disappointed in you.

You roasted yourselves, my friends. Listen, history remembers that you think Frank Sinatra isn't cool. We're going to get to that later. Let's talk about old school. It came out in 2003. It was weirdly an important movie for Will Farrow, who had not had a hit movie and had been on SNL at that point since October 1995, which is seven and a half years,

and had transcended the show and is one of the best cast members they've ever had. I talked about that with Adam McKay on my podcast this week, but could not translate it into movies. And it was hitting a point where it was like, is this going to happen? And then it happened. He had never had a starring role, though. This is the first time he really took. on a big role in a movie.

You don't count Night of the Rocksbury? I guess that's true. I guess Night at the Roxbury was there. By the way, I stand for that movie. I bet you do. I do. I like that movie. Not really my thing.

You're right. Night at the Roxbury. But he was really funny in Austin Powers. He was really funny in Zoolander. I believe I've broken my leg. But it's like, was he going to be this bit player cameo guy who comes in and just does incredible two minutes and then is out of the movie or not. Given the way that he owned SNL, it's not surprising that he owns movies.

It's not surprising now. It was a question. Because we had had massive SNL cast members, and it hadn't translated, especially on the female side, where, you know, Sandler, I think it translated. Farley, it really translated for one movie that is such like a loud, great comedy, that it feels like he had this great movie career, and he really didn't. By the time he died, he was, you know, making bit parts and dirty work, and he was in that terrible Matthew Perry movie.

Mike Myers are translated. It's hit or miss. Farrell, it seems so obvious now should have translated. I don't know what happened for those six years. It's funny. He did something he tried to do the Mike Myers' playbook. He tried to take a character from the show and make a movie out of it and that was not successful.

He didn't have a Wayne's World and then five years go by before old school comes along. And then this character kind of is the template for all the characters he would play in a movie. You know, like sweet, dumb, loud, like beta boy. The switch can go off and he's whatever. He can freak out at any time.

And also that the madness of domesticity, like the way in which, like, some of my favorite SNL characters he played, like the Dodge Stratus guy, you know what I mean? Get off the shed! Yeah. Like that kind of like suburban insanity. Yeah.

Something that he was really good at tapping into, and that's what Frank the Tank kind of is. Dodged Stratus. In Apex. Yeah, he really did. Frank the Tank is kind of the Dodge Stratus extension. So this also basically started the Frat Pack. which is a term I don't use in my everyday life.

It seems like more of a media term. It's invented, I think. It's invented. I don't think anybody really calls it that. But there is an era that we discussed a little bit on the Wedding Crashers Pod. This sets off an era from 03 all the way through O-9, the R-rated comedy boom. Old school, 40-year-old virgin, wedding crashers, super bad, stepbrothers, knocked up, forgetting Sarah Marshall, the hangover. And when I didn't watch old school in a couple years, it's rated R.

It owns it early and it's just the way it is and it was kind of refreshing. Yeah. I think I'd watch it on cable with my kid and I'd forgotten how R it was. It is in keeping with kind of every 10 to 15 years

frat movie that we now get. You know, we had Animal House, we have Revenge of the Nerds, we have PCU, we have, every 10 or 12 years, there's another movie that fits right into this mold. And these movies have to be R to be effective. If they're not R,

there's no way to do this PG-13. And, you know, I mean, like, I think that there's a lot of, they, Todd Phillips and Scott Armstrong worked on this movie with Ivan Reitman, and it has a lot of, it owes a lot to the Ivan Reitman comedies of the 80s. Totally.

Yeah, and there was, if you go back, this is, this movie's the son of those movies. And there is a run, basically, that starts with Animal House and goes all the way, I'm going to say to like 83, 84 range, where it's like comedy plus new, Yeah, what's Stripes?

Stripes has one, Caddyshack, easy money with Rodney Dangerfield. There's a bunch of them. Bachelor party. Vintage and nerds. There's always nudity. And it just kind of came with the territory. The mindset was like, let's give guys what they want.

They want to laugh and they want to see some nudity. And it was just different era. Horror movies relate that too. Horror movies always had nude scenes back then. Yeah. And then there was like Kentucky Fried movie. One was that? Yeah, that was in the mid-sevice.

Yeah. But I mean, So those movies, this movie and the movies that came after it, especially the Judd-Appetown movies, I felt like became kind of meta-commentaries on those movies that came before. You know, the fact that the stars of these movies are in their 30s and they're reflecting on this, like, arrested development is itself, like kind of a comment on why we're still interested in these movies. And then you even see with that Apatow generation, guys like, when they do Pineapple Express, they're basically trying to make their version of Midnight Run or 48 hours or those.

kinds of action comedies, thriller comedies from the 80s, you know? The era right before that, well, there's two errors right before. One is the, let's turn all the SNL characters into a movie, which was happening. And then there was also,

I would call it like a silly era where it's like Sandler and Jim Carrey. Yeah. And it's like, these movies are funny. I don't think there's nudity in any of them. They're more juvenile. Yeah. They're movies that my son,

by age six, had seen all of them. Yeah. And none of them were that. bad. My son would not watch funny voices, fart jokes. Yeah. I love fart jokes and like, you know, I think Ace Ventura, like one of the funniest moments in that movie is he leans over

and he goes, can I ask you a question with his ass? Like, it was just that kind of humor. It's stupid. Yeah. And then Austin Powers came along. It's fantasy humor. Yeah, yeah, really my style. Yeah. Classic. Well, there is a difference to me between Sandler and Carrie, and I think we talked about maybe doing a Sandler movie at some point this year. I think that

would be fun to do just to talk about like I'm so ready. what his comedy is. And to me, it was always very different from Jim Carrey. I like Jim Carrey. But Jim Carrey was larger than life. And Adam Sandler, like, created a character. Like, he's basically the same kind of character for 10 movies.

And those, they feel really far away from something like Old School. Old School has, like, a maturity to it, even though it's really juvenile and there's nudity and there's, like, pretty offensive humor in some places. There's something much more elevated about it. It has more ideas. Well, and then Fairly, Brother, should get some credit here too, because you're talking about

dumb and dumber, kingpin, outside Providence, which I love, which isn't in the traditional sense. And there's something about Mary, which is one of the most successful comedies of all time. All of those kind of laid the ground

for road trip. Yep. Todd Phillips's first movie. First narrative movie. And then what would eventually happen with the art rated ones coming. So this really starts in the late 90s. Primarily working in experimental film.

No, he was working in documentary. These documentaries are amazing. hope we talk about them. I'm so, I'm incredibly interested in Todd Phillips' career. Well, let's talk about it right now. He did the Frat House doc in like 97 or 98. That's his second documentary. His first documentary of people haven't seen it is called

Hated. It's about a punk rock singer named G.G. Allen, who is one of the most disgusting, vile, insane people in the history of human civilization. And it was his student film. It's out an hour long, you can find it on YouTube. It is grotesque and really interesting. And

it opened the doors for him in amazing ways. It got him an internship at HBO. It got him in the sort of in the crook of the arm of Sheila Evans who ran docs at HBO. He helped develop taxi cab confessions when he was there as an intern, worked on taxi cab confessions. I think I've seen all of them. And then he makes Frat House, which is this really interesting kind of template for the movie that we're going to talk about. And also became controversial because didn't he make... He staged some scenes.

He staged a couple of scenes. Yeah, he like encouraged some of the kids. It's essentially just a depiction of a... frat at Mulemberg College. Did he executive produce Project X? He did, yes. You can see that there's like, he has an obsession with how young men fuck up. You know, like that's kind of his. And then aging men too, I guess, when you get into The Hangover. But he also made a Fish documentary about the band Fish, for Bittersweet Motel

that is not bad. Well, he also made hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes. Because whatever deal he had with the Hangover, the Hangover was a phenomenon and then spawned two really not that good sequels. The story is that he did not take a check for ahead of time for the hangover and that he took only points and that he made $50 million on the original. That's the story that they tell. Jesus. Jesus. So you can imagine how much he made on two and three, which also made on a lot of money.

Chris tried to do that with the flat circle, the true detective show. I did. Don't pay me for this. I want those residuals looking on week one. I want points. I can get these YouTube comments up. So there's some good things going here. We have Todd Phillips who hasn't, who had laid the groundwork.

I thought Road Trip in the moment was really funny. I really liked that movie. I didn't see it in a while. Road Trip came out my freshman year of college, and I went to Ethica College in Upstate New York, and that movie is set at Ithaca University. There's a lot of upstate New York college movies. That could almost be a spin-off of the Rwatchel.

Catches Wolf Farrell when he needs to make a jump as a movie star. Little Vince Vaughn comeback? And so I don't want to step on AFS Internet Research, but Armstrong, Todd Armstrong. Todd Armstrong? Who's his part? Scott Armstrong. And Todd Phillips, the writing partners,

wrote the part of Bernard with Vaughn and mine, Vince Vaughn. A little comeback for him. Swingers. By 2003, an iconic character, double-down trend. Yeah. It's been seven years. It's made the rounds on cable for years and years. DVD, the whole thing.

A generation of men quoting those lines of bars. Yeah. So we'll do Swingers at some point. Great. Problem is he gets weird and starts doing a couple of series. movies. It does the bizarre cycle remake, which I still don't know how I feel about all these years later.

And at some point, studios decided he wasn't funny anymore. And they talk about that. Vince Vaughn said they didn't think I could do comedy. Todd really had to push for me. I think he even told them to watch me on Letterman to see I could be funny. I would have shown them swingers. I don't know how hard this was. Yeah.

I mean, it's funny. Like, in the comedy movies or the comic movies, the Vince Vaughn does, he's basically doing the Bill Marks. or anything. He's just playing Vince Vaughn. He's just playing this smart-ass character. But for three or four movies, he's the funniest thing of the decade on screen.

I think this is my favorite of his movies. I think this is the funniest I've ever found him. He's like a revelation in Swingers, and that's one of the coolest characters ever. But everything he says in this movie is funny. And it is funny that it took him like a four-year rest period before we went back into comedies because basically right after this,

he kind of only makes comedies for the next five or six years. He went kind of too hard. Yeah, he does dodgeball. Starsky and Hutch. Starsky and Hutch. And then wedding crashers. Wedding Crashers, Mr. Mrs. Smith,

and he's kind of joking in that movie. I still don't understand why Starsky and Hutch happened. Nobody's ever explained that one to me. It's a misstep for like everybody who's involved. It was such a waste of all these dudes at a great point of their career. Yep. That, I don't know. This whole remake culture, which now I don't think people do anymore.

If they're remaking something, they'll completely reinvent it. There was a lot of, like, parroting, parading, things that had happened 20, 30 years ago. But is it that much different than, I mean, don't you think it's just like that was a show those guys grew up on? They thought it was cool? Yeah, but I think they thought that was going to be a huge movie. Oh, yeah.

I thought when that trend started, it was actually really interesting because I thought, like, the Brady Bunch movie and the Adams family. That Brady Bunch movie worked. I thought those movies were good, and they were trying to reinvent them. And then by the time we got the Starsky and Hodge and the Dukes of Hazard and those movies, chips. They didn't chips. Those movies didn't work as well

because they were trying to just make them pure comedies. Yeah. And they weren't pure comedies. Like the structure was meant to be like episodic television where you're like, I just like hanging out with these guys. I think there's like a huge mistake

where like a bunch of people were just super into the Beastie Boys sabotage video. And they were like, what this would work as a movie? It's true. But with movie stars and it just doesn't. So filmed budget was 24 million, made 76 million in North America,

another 11 million abroad. Success. It's not a massive success. I think. I think it's been a success after the fact, I'm sure, with DVDs and on-demand all this stuff. It's a classic, like, in the dorms. T&T, TBS, HBO, whatever. The film received mixed positive reviews, 60% of Rotten Tomatoes,

which brings us to one of my favorite categories, Roger Ebert. It's tough. He panned old school. He said, I avoid altogether the question of old school's veracity and move on to its humor, which is easy to master because there's so little of it. Yeah. This is not a funny movie. Yeah.

That was one of his sentences. So, Tough beat for Roger. My take on Raj. He's 0 for 2 in 2019. He's never to be trusted on comedies. That's just a general rule. I don't really,

I don't look to him. I don't really look to many film critics with comedies. I would say that comedy in general is a different thing, difficult thing to write critically about. Yes. Because you're just essentially, if it's funny, there's not a ton to say Alice besides this is really funny. Yeah.

The idea of even, making a gesture towards the veracity of a movie like this is how you know Roger Ebert is not looking at this movie correctly. Because who cares? It is a stunt comedy. That's the whole point. So Farrell rips off. Old school elf Anker Man,

just back to back to back. Jesus. What a run. That's a nice, we always talk about the three movie runs. That's a good one. And then that's it. Then we're off.

And movies are really funny here for about six, seven years. And we had a nice little run. Things are so different now. It's weird to think about a time when every year you could count on three or four movies being really, really funny and big hits. That's not the case right now. Where comedy is going, we're not going to litigate on this one.

And in fact, we don't want to spend this podcast talking about would this have worked in 2019. Because we did that a little too much probably in the wedding crasher spot. The reality is every air is different. This movie is fucking funny. I don't care. It's just funny. This is the way it came out of 2003. Shit happens.

All right, we're going to get to the categories. Most rewatchable scene. Interesting. I have four. You guys might want to add one. Frank the tank at Mitchapalooza. That whole stretch, ending with the streaking, and the ladies driving. It's slowly realizing it's...

Bring your green hat. Blowjob class. That scene's incredible. Okay. Dart gun birthday party. Yeah. That's how I would describe that one. Would you include also the re-gifting of the breadmaker?

for the third time. In Dark Gunn birthday party? Yeah. Like, is it the whole birthday party? Yeah. Okay. I think it's the whole birthday party. And then Blue dies during a K-Y wrestling match.

Uh-huh. Does that also lead into Blue's funeral and Will Ferrell singing? Yeah. Man, I have a lot of other nominations. Give me some. I'm going to go when they're first meeting in the kitchen at Luke Wilson's new place. Earmuffs. Earmuffs.

And also him fucking walking around with the hockey stick. and just destroying things and just that first introduction to the concept of the movie but their inner play is, I think I've watched that

scene eight times this week and just everybody knows the guy who would pick up the hockey stick and like while you're having a conversation would just start being like Chris Chilio

so all of a sudden you're just like what's your fucking problem put the hockey stick down we're having a conversation it's like the guy with the bat like hey this is cool

Yeah, you're just afraid something's going to break the time. I had that in moments. I didn't have that first scene. Okay. I guess it's a short scene, but it could definitely be in there. I really like the first time we meet Jeremy Piven's character. Cheese. Like, that whole bit is very, very funny.

And it's a weirdly good Piven performance as he's kind of like subverting his PCU character. You know, like he's old enough now to be the dean and not the older flunky at a college. No entourage yet, by the way. Oh, it's pre-ontourage. It's a pre-antage. It was a year he hadn't. I was going to talk about his toupee later, but he hadn't figured out the right toupee yet.

So I like that one. I really like even just the opening setup with going home to Juliette Lewis. And she's got two people in the bathroom, and then Todd Phillips shows up at the door. Do you want me to tell you this is the first time? Or do you want me to tell you this is the truth? Really good Juliette-Lews performance in this movie. She's funny.

I had her. We're getting to her later. But yeah. That sounds great. I wanted to put the Ju-at-Lewis scene, the most rewatchable scene, but I didn't want you to think I was a weird out. I thought that was so funny. It's a great comedy.

We've seen that, we've seen versions of that so many times where the guy walks home and hears noises in the bedroom and it's like, what's going on in there? Yeah. And then that one is like, oh, she's just watching porn. Well, that's weird. People are coming out blindfolds. Yeah. It's great. Really good Luke Wilson performance in that scene. It's like, no, let's go with this.

This is a turn-on. Is this what you do when I'm away? Yeah, I think it's probably my favorite Juliette Lewis performance. Of the grown-up versions Yeah, got to be natural born killers in California Yeah, but she freaks me out I don't like when she's

I'm gonna go on the lamb with a serial killer And I haven't eaten in 10 weeks, Juliette Lewis She's just always been really funny And this, I feel like this is her first real comedy Yeah, she was, there's some rom-com she was in Where she's like the friend And she's really good in that That I'm blanking on

But I agree, I think she's untapped resource Totally. I mean she was tapped on camping this year Unfortunately Sadly. Sadly. A whole other conversation. Yeah, it seems like about 10 years ago there was some HBO show she could have been

the helm of and would have been really good and had all these things that could have happened on there. So what's the most rewatchable, Chris? I'm going to go with the hockey stick scene. Over Frank the Tank's resurgence? Yeah. Wow. I'm going Frank the Tank.

When Frank the Tank comes back to life, I'm there every time. I'm going to take. I'm sorry. Sorry, we're going, we're going streaking through the quad and into the gymnasium. Come on, everybody. Come on, Snoop. Does the Frank the tank scene lead all the way into them stumbling across him streaking? Yeah.

His wife finding him. So does it include Vince Vaughn doing a Speaker City speech from the city? It starts from when the guys are trying to get Frank the tank to have a drink. Nice little Saturday complaint. And then all of a sudden is, ah, I just have water. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. Anyway, yo, man, come hit this right here.

You need to hit this. Oh, yeah. No, I appreciate it, but I told my wife I wouldn't drink tonight. Besides, I've got a big day tomorrow. But you guys have a great time. A big day. Doing what? Well, actually, pretty nice until Saturday.

We're going to go to Home Depot. Yeah, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring. Stuff like that. Maybe bed, bed bath, and beyond. I don't know. I don't know if we'll have enough time. You know what I'm going to have a great day, man. You know what? You know what? Give you that thing.

I'll do one. I'll do one. Man, I'm so, I'm torn. There's so many other good ones. Like, Vince Vaughn watching his commercial and malving along to it. I love that scene. The scene where Will Ferrell's working on the car and he's talking to her about, you know, took the restrictor plate off.

Not exactly straight legal. There's this fine line. This is a tough thing with the comedies because is that a moment or is that a scene? Yeah, I was going to say the same thing about the, the wedding in the beginning and just like her walking up the aisle and him just be like it takes a real man to give away an angel

See I love I had for what's age the best Which we'll get to in a second Always smiling, always watching Where they're all in the church And he's like this is such a fucking mistake You gotta run And like that just kills me

I know that's what I'm saying But before we got to take some whatever to do the angel Yeah, yeah. When he's just like under his breath muttering and just like killing Will Ferrell. It just kills me. There's even some really good Luke Wilson scenes. You know, I feel like Luke Wilson meeting Ellen Pompeo for the first time and he's drunk. And he's like, Denver.

The Sunshine State gorgeous. You know, he's like channeling his brother. It's a good Luke Wilson. Thank you. I don't even know what to pick. Hold the Luke Wilson conversation. I'll go earmuffs along with Chris. I think that is probably the most.

aside from we're going streaking, the most iconic thing that happens in the movie. That's the thing that I feel like was most repeated in my life. So I realized rewatching this movie that Earmuffs came from this movie because I just felt like it had been around much longer, but it really did.

I don't know if it's a Vince Vaughn throwaway, like an ad lib or something, but yeah. I mean, it's entirely possible that Earmuffs was something that you had heard around L.A., like in the early 2000s, or whatever, but that Vince Vaughn also heard or something?

I owe royalties to Vince Vaughn. I've used that joke a lot. Especially in the ringer office. That is used a lot. Yeah. But I was thought it was just a thing. I didn't realize it was Vince Vaughn. I should be paying him a trademark.

First time I heard it was in this movie. Let's play that clip. And the fact is, I got 40 strangers out in my living room, and all I want to do is get some fucking sleep. So I'm sorry, but we're not starting a fraternity. I don't know why you got to do it in front of the kid with the effing. I got to say earmuffs to him. Air muffs.

They can say, fuck, shit, bitch, whatever you want. Cock, balls. Okay, I'm just proving a point. You don't have to celebrate it, Frank. What's age the best in no particular order? Luke Wilson getting frisked at TSA and just disrobing. This was like probably, I don't know, a year and a half after 9-11. It was the first time I remember somebody really having fun with 9-11 TSA.

It was just really good. It really worked. It was funny. set to one of the best songs literally of all time Ryan Adams to be young which is like such a cool way to kick off the movie I love that song Ellen Pompeo

who is about to become one of the biggest and most bankable TV stars of the last 40 years but in this movie is just the cute lady that that Luke Wilson has a crush on and it's just funny it's weird to say it feels like it's like her daughter almost at this point

Gris Anatomy has been on for what 16 years Yeah. And she's like a baby in this movie. It's kind of almost jarring. Not one of the best written parts I've ever seen. I'm not really sure what her character is thinking or what her inner life is. We're going to get to some of the issues with that relationship. Perry Reeves.

Yeah. Jeremy Piven's wife and entourage really looked exactly the same as she did an entourage. She's apparently just ageless. She looks exactly the same in kicking and screaming, which is how many years, seven years before this, right? She's good. I feel like somebody market corrected at her. don't know who it was. That's a good question.

I feel like she should have had a bigger career. I love her. I like her and everything she does. I think she's really good. Like she had, at the very least, should have been on some CBS show making a million dollars an episode for eight years being married to some fat guy. I think she is on a TV show now.

I don't know what the show is. I think she's on like a network sitcom right now. Earmuffs has aged. I mean, it's probably going to win this category. The Dan band? I was just going to say that. The what? The wedding band.

Oh, yeah. Who are these guys? In 2003, it's like what's happening. Now, we've seen them in a bunch of other movies, but everything needs to, when they cut the Vince Wadi's got the hand up, ladies. Oh my God, it's so funny.

But the damn ban was just great. They're swearing during the wedding song. So what's the origin story with those guys? What's the deal with them? We'd have seen the fucking look in your eyes. If you freeze frame, the look on Will Ferrell and Perry Reeves' face, the first time he drops the fucking every now and then, Turn around

Every now and then I get a little bit terrified I see the fucking look And you're right Around Is so funny with her reaction And she's kind of like No we didn't hear

Like she shakes her head Like we didn't hear it It's so It's like not subtle but subtle You know like if you're not actually Paying attention If you're just looking at your phone You forget that this is

The whole Dan Band bit Those guys are Well they're in another Todd Phillips movie And he's had like a TV show And also, he wrote a song. Well, they're in the hangover, too. They've been in, like, they've been in, like, three or four movies. And they're, I don't know if it's still the case, but last decade they were, like, LA Legends.

Like, it was, you know, my wife's friend Shannon was good friends with them. And my wife probably went to, like, five or six Dan Band concerts. So, like, where would they play? Like, just a bars and stuff? Yeah, like bigger bars. Okay. They were on Jimmy's show. Yeah, they liked smaller venues where they could interact with the audience, but the show was really great.

It was that much fun every time. So the guy, Dan, who is the leader of the band, co-wrote one of the songs in Dumplin, the Netflix movie, this year. Yeah, so he's also like kind of a songwriter on the low. Okay. The Dan band. Snoop Dog's age really well. They catch Snoop Dog at a great point of his career.

Yeah. It's a really good Snoop Dog song. It's a really good Snoop Dogg. Papered up. Who's the second person in? Cocaine. Yeah. So it's a good, it's a weird, it's a good snapshot of a moment in Snoop Dog time.

because it's Snoop, it's cocaine, Warren G is his DJ, and it's when he went everywhere with Don Magic Juan, the pimp, and... That was like his side guy. He was there all the time, and where's Don Magic Juan now? And he did old school to get in Starsky and Hutch.

That was like the tradeoff. Is that the story? Interesting. That's why, because it's actually like wisy in this. Yeah. Well, it's also just like one of those things in movies where just like

what the fuck are we doing like a four-minute musical performance in this movie. Melissa McCarthy made a movie last year called Life of the Party that is basically like a solo old school about how she goes back to school, she joins a sorority, and it ends in a sort of a similar old school fashion with a Christina Aguilera performance.

And it's weird how much it just kind of lifts from this movie. That kind of invented something. Craig Kilburn. What were you to say? That's aged the best? Yeah, it was fun seeing him. It was fun seeing Kilby. I think the sensation of seeing Kilbord

is like, oh fuck, Craig Kilburn's in this movie. I forgot. I would say that he is maybe the first person to ever show up in what's aged the worst and what's aged the best. Well, you're stepping on where we're going with this. But yeah, the sensation of being like, oh yeah, Craig Coulbord, whoa. It's really weird to see Vince Vaughan and Will Farrill throwing 100, and Craig Kilbourne, like, completely unable to act. Like, it's staggering how, like, terror.

He's, like, funny, and his character is obviously, like, complicated, but he really can't act. Like, he's just not an actor. And you can really tell because you've got a lot of super professional people around him. So do you know if that was like an option for him at the time? Was that like a thing he was thinking about doing? First of all, I think that he thinks it was a huge success. I mean, it was in a way.

It's a very memorable character. He's kind of a great Mark. He'll mark. He's in two scenes. And then he crashes in the closing credits. Right. But he's like, he's reading his lines like he would read daily show jokes. And like that's not how you act.

Even in a comedy, that's not how you act. This is really a dissection of... Well, I thought about it. There's a reason he hasn't kept acting. It's true. That's true. I liked him as stunt casting goes, it worked. Great closing credits in this movie have aged the best.

They really put some thought into... Check it out if you haven't seen the closing credits of this movie, America. But it ends with... The first thing is Kilbourne crashes while he's smoking a cigarette, goes over a bridge and kills a fly-fishing Jeremy Piven. Amazing. Car bows up, both of them die, and then there's a couple other things, too. But it lasts, it's like two and a half minutes of closing credits, basically.

Can you remember the first time somebody did that where they put kind of story inside the credits? It's very common in comedies. Like, I don't think this was necessarily the first one. I want to say, God, I haven't seen Porky's in so long, but I want to say the closing credits were all the bloopers. One of the movies from back then did just bloopers as the closing credits. Smoking the band, not smoking the band, not smoking the band, a cannonball run did. Yeah, that is the blooper reel. And then there are ones where I think that they do

like what happened to the people after the movie ended kind of like a quick scene of like Oh, then they got married. Yeah. Or invented making fun of that whole thing. And then he, Todd Phillips, like, masters this with the hangover closing credits. That's like one of the best closing credits ever

with the Polaroids. Yeah. That's such a genius. I would say that's, for me, that's the number one closing credits of all time. So funny. I remember loving that. It was a really good movie

and I actually thought the closing credits the first time in the theater actually pushed it to a whole other level. Yeah, you walk out rocking. That's actually my favorite part of the movie. And then you walk it out. And then the soundtrack. So we got papered up, paid in full, fun night, dust in the wind,

hungry like the wolf, going to make you sweat, the sound of silence, here I go again, total clips of the heart and lady. It's a fucking murderer is real. And Master of Weird Music. Metallica. Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, here I go again, I think, has played four times. That's a lot of white snake. So that's how age the best. What do you have, Chris? What's age the best? not Craig Kilbourne for you not Craig Kilgorn for me

I don't know I think this is the best Luke Wilson I think his performance is age to best This and Tenenbaum's The two That's the alpha and the omega

of Luke Wilson Yeah Because he was a good Everyman for a while And Do you want to have this conversation now What category were you going to save it for Probably unanswerable questions

At the end Okay Okay We'll save it What do you think Is age the best I mean, it obviously literally launches Will Ferrell to become probably my favorite comedy star of the century. I think he's made me laugh more at movies than anybody else since 2000.

So that's pretty good legacy. I would say earmuffs is age the best. Yeah. Okay. Earmuffs. People still say it. It's really in there and you don't feel like you're just being the loser who's saying a movie line. It's actually just part of conversation.

Yeah, it's true. Yeah. It's like Kleenex. It's just taken over. Yeah. What's age is like? worst. Can I ask you a philosophical question about this?

Yeah. Because, you know, we're going to keep doing comedies and we all like these movies. I just want to zip through it. I made it a very sure of this. But is what's age the worst? What's become offensive now? Or what just seems kind of like antiquated? Because there's a difference to me.

You know, like sometimes an action scene in a movie will just like look like shit and they would never make it that way. Right. Like if you see a gun fight in the 70s, it's just red paint all over a guy. Exactly. It's what's age the worst. What's age poorly? Yeah, what does that mean?

Well, in this case it would be Elisha Cuthbert's character aging the least, I think. I had her at the top of the issues in high school. That's probably a bigger problem these days. Could be an issue. Kilbourne's acting? It's tough.

Brutal. Piven's toupee. He really had to go back to the shop and figure out a better look. I think he looks great. Why is Ari Lang in this movie? It's a misuse of Artie Lang. That's what I mean.

And Matt Walsh, too. Yeah, two of the funniest guys. Why is Arty Lang in this movie? Probably a favor. I mean, I'm sure he needed the money at the time. Arty, you're going to be in this movie. Don't make any jokes and play this completely serious. Bizarre.

What year is Dirty Work? Is Dirty Work after this? I'll ride Dirty Work to the death. Dirty Work's funny. So this is after Dirty Work. It's like five years after. That's depressing. He's on Howard Stern at this point, I think.

Yeah. It's weird. It's like, I don't know why he's in it. And then James Carville. It's age of the worst, two different ways. One, he's just kind of like, Why is he in this? Yeah.

Yeah. Two, it's 16 years later. So if you're Craig, you're like, who's that? I don't even know who that is. One of the flaws of the movie, I think, is when it starts to become too much like back to school, you know, where there's like a competition element to it. But that happens in a lot of these movies where, like, that also happens in stripes where they actually go to war. And you're just like, why is this happening? I just want to go back to the basic training stuff.

I think Animal House started it. And then the next 10 years of comedy is ripped off or it's like there has to be some sort of conflict scene. that you win, then that died, and then it came back with this. It's, I mean, honestly, the last 15 minutes of trying to figure out how to get back. And it's entertaining, but it's... It's okay. It's not bad. It's unconceived. Yeah.

It could have been better. It forces you to have, like, stunts, like the Carville thing because it's like, how do we make this actually interesting, you know? Craig, do you know who James Carville is? Mainly just from Bill Hater on S&L. Amazing. Yeah. See, there you go. Casting what ifs...

Oh, so what's age the worst? Cuthbert? I think, yeah, Luke Wilson, sleeping with a high school girl is kind of a tough beat. And then the high school girl, he's on a date with Ellen Pompeo. And she's like, hey, she's talking about prom plans. Sorry, I didn't call you back. That would be fair, she might have been 18. Sure.

That wouldn't have aged quite as bad. Right. Good corner for you. No, this is a good corner for you. 17 would have been tough, it would have been illegal. I think, isn't there a line when he's with Terry O'Quinn and he's like she's about to be a senior? Yeah, that's tough. She's seven months away from college.

Oh, okay. I believe is what he says. This is kind of a Stefania Seminetti, Godfrey. father situation. You know, Chris learning about the Sicilian child bride. I knew about this. It's a little murkyer. Yeah. Yeah. She's either 17 or 18. Either way, not great. Not great. Casting what ifs, I have none. Not a lot of info. Not a lot of info. They wrote it for Vaughn. What's weird is there's been so many oral histories about movies. I thought for sure there

would be the old school oral history and there is none. There's no drama here. There's no story about how it almost failed or it didn't work. It was kind of like everybody right place, right time. That's it. That's the story. And there's a long tradition of movies like this, and they just kind of nailed this one. Yeah, I mean, I think it's almost probably, it would probably be more interesting to find out about why they never did a sequel to this or like what was wrong with the, because they did do a script. Yeah, they wrote a script. Yeah, for the sequel. It sounds like Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell just didn't want to do it.

Yeah. But I guess the idea was that it would be like a spring break movie. Dionne Waiter's a word. Biggest heat check of the movie. I'm putting Craig Kilburn in there just because I think he thinks it was a he check. Definitely. Juliette Lewis was incredible. She's only in two scenes. And one of them, I think, is the closing credits

where she invites him to come to basically what's going to be an orgy. The supermarket, yeah. She's basically like an amateur porn star before we even knew there were amateur porn stars. The Dan Band. Good one. And the guy who played Blue.

Oh, I have another nominee here. Give me another one. Sean William Scott. Oh, yeah. No question. as the animal trainer the move he pulls on that was that a goat

the movie pulls on that goat where he's like yanks the chain he's like shut up it's what the goat it's really funny do you know what Shal William Scott's character's name is no it's peppers

peppers yeah this last thing really good and his reaction to the dark gun you just took one of the jugular man yes that's awesome what You just took one in the jugular, man

Whoa Yes! My God! It's really good. I have Juliette Lewis as the winner. Okay. I mean, I'll definitely, like, I'm not going to protest that. I thought she had like five threes in nine minutes.

One of one other nominee is Brian Callan playing like the Greek waiter and the diner. Oh, yeah. It comes over and he's like, it is on me, Godfather. That is a weird performance. Your money is no good here. So Brian Callan is my favorite guy who didn't totally make it from that era. Yeah, he was on Matt TV, right? I really liked him in a whole bunch of stuff.

Yeah, he's funny. He was like on Inside Schwartz, and it just seemed like he had a bad agent. I feel like if you reset his career, maybe he's in the frat pack. Doesn't he do like a lot of like UFC podcasting stuff now? Maybe. I always thought he's like in the Rogan universe a little bit or something. That sounds right. He's, um, I mean, he was on the first cast of Mad TV.

Was he, if I recall. He's really funny. He's funny. I'm doing for, I'm adding to what. Sage the worst, Brian Cowan's agent. Okay. Because I'm upset that his career wasn't bigger. What about Terrio Quinn?

He wasn't really a Deanne Waiters. I mean, he's in two scenes. It's uncredited too, right? It's pre-lossed, right? Yeah. But it's post-X files. It's just kind of a... That's a weird part.

Yeah. Do you think he was just like, cool, cool? What was the paycheck for that? I don't know. I think he really wasn't that much of a actor at that point. I think he was just like a bit guy. He was in movies.

He was. Lost was a career research and his friend. That's true. I have Juliet Lewis. Who do you have? I'll go Juliette Lewis too. Chris?

I'll bow to Juliette Lewis, but I'm a big Sean William. That's to Juliet Lewis. Shout out to him. Wait, what about Andy Dick? We're going to get to Andy. Okay. Let's take a break to talk about proper cloth this year. This year said a realistic goal to wear a shirt that fits.

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Fuck you. Both of you. Did you see my list? I didn't. I didn't listen to it yet. Cool. Top five L.A. There is zero Michael Mann movies on Chris's list.

No collateral on L.A. I specifically said these are, I was going to pick Michael Matt and challenge myself. Top five gimmick for that. And Chris Ryan has the flat circle. Uh-huh. True Detective after show. Sunday nights. Sunday night.

And you're high on this true detective season. I am high on this. I'm high on your own supply. I am. You wouldn't get the straight answer for me anyway, but it's a good show. And you have the watch. I do. Monday and Thursday.

And you have the ringer group chat. I do Thursdays. You're doing a lot. Shall I write you a note? He always believed in you, Chris. I always believed in you, Chris. You always thought you could be the next Indiana Jones. Half-ass internet research.

In 2006, a sequel called Old School Dose was written by Scott Armstrong. Dose. But turned down by original stars Wolf Farrell and Vince Vaughn. The story concerned the aging fraternity going to spring break. Farrell said in 2008, I read the script, some super funny set pieces, but I don't know. I think Vince had the same reaction. We're just doing kind of the same thing again. we went to spring break

but we've got to find this guy who's the head of a fraternity once again funny things it's just once again I was back in a fraternity setting it felt like it was repeating maybe I'm overthinking it I just felt like I would have seen

old school dose upset it probably would have been bad I wish that had happened maybe Netflix can just bring everyone back for $175 billion Well the hangover two is a tough beat and the hangover three is close to an abomination so I'm not sure that I really need an old school too.

Of all the movies... Of these movies around this time. So Wedding Crashers, Old School, I don't, Dodgeball. Comedy sequels don't work. But which of these did you want a sequel for the most? Which would you want? Like, Wedding Crashers 2? Would you want Dodgeball 2?

Would you want Old School 2? Old school 2? I'm in of that one the most. I don't, I rarely want this. You know, I mean, what's a great comedy sequel in the history of movies? Austin Powers. Okay, that's pretty good. Caddyshack 2 was one of the biggest tragedies of 1985.

Oh, this actually came up with McKay, and I loved when you were talking to McKay, and he brought up Wayne's World 2, which I think I might have even brought up on this podcast before, but I think is a genius movie. Wain 2 is going to have a life as soon as it gets off epics. Yeah. I don't need old-school dose, though. And doesn't, wait, Anchorman 2 is, is it Incub Man 1 or Anchorman 2 that they basically should? not like two movies worth of movies. That's Anchorman 1. One.

Anchorman 2, they have, they basically have an alternate movie of it. No, that's one. No, but two, they have it too. The same thing? Yeah, two, they have like five hours of footage from it. Oh. Well, I'll tell you one person who was ready to see old school dose. In 2016, Luke Wilson was game saying, I, of course, would do it at the drop of a hat.

Luke Wilson. More internet research. Todd Phillips plays the guy who knocks on Luke Wilson's door earlier on and says, I'm here for the gang bang. I believe he reprises that role in most of his movies. He was wearing like the curly wig. Yeah. Perm wig.

He's like, he's in the hangover is that guy, right? Yeah. In the streaking sequence, Will Ferrell ran naked for real and apparently horrified locals at a 24-hour gym. He also said they filmed the streak in two different parts. And the second part was in front of everybody during the stoop dog performance and that he needed to get a little drunk beforehand to do it. So do you know the thing? name of the guy who played blue? No.

I don't. Patrick Cranshaw. Is that relevant? He's been acting in films for 50 years before old school. It was his role as Blue that finally made him famous, although I will say he played the sheriff in all the Air Bud movies. Oh. So there you go for that.

He died shortly after the movie, like about four years later. The house that Wilson's friends transformed into the home of their new friends. fraternity is a real residential house located in Pasadena. Quite obviously. On Bushnell Avenue. It's like so obviously L.A. It's been used for three Michael J. Fox movies. Really?

Can you name them? Doc Hollywood. Nope. Hmm. This is a really good question. Yeah, thanks. Back to the future. Ding.

The secret of my success. I was going to say the secret of my success. That's New York, though. How do you not guess back to the future? the future two. Oh, back to the future two. Jesus. Is it back to future three as well? No. Okay. Back to the future one and two. What else is he in? Oh, what's the hard way?

It's a movie very near and dear to my heart. Oh, Teen Wolf. Teen Wolf. Of course. You should buy that house. Jay Fox. Just banging out movies. That seems like a more attainable place to get than the Boogie Knight's house. I'm just going to... Just redfin it right now. I just want to go over there. I'll redfin it after. I think it was the neighborhood. I don't know if it was the exact house. It was a two-black stretch.

So, yeah, there you go. That's it. We covered all the other ones. Apex Mountain. Tough one. Craig Kilburn. No. Sports Center.

No. I think the first season of Kilbourne on the Daily Show was like, wow. This is a thing. I thought he was like God on SportsCenter. I thought he was like the funniest person I've ever seen. I think first year of the Daily Show was what I would go for. will say that Kilbourne probably thinks this was his apex mountain because he had the CBS late night show and the old school cameo and people love this movie and they like it's not a

cameo he's like a he has like a part in this movie I would say this is where it starts to fall apart for Craig Kilporn. I also really like Craig Kilporn. Don't get me wrong. I like him too. He's been on this podcast or my podcast. Will Ferrell? Can't be his apex man.

No. What's his apex man? I think it's Anchorman. Is it anchorman? making that movie having that movie succeed which is it's insane

you could yeah it has to be his movie crew something from his movie career has to be the apex because the SNL apex is 2000 when he's doing

strategy his Bush and all that stuff yeah Vince Vaughn I say yes I say this is not only the best

he's ever been but this revived him run of dodgeball this this dodgeball and wedding Crashers. And he gets out from under doing the cell and stuff like that.

I'm going to go wedding crashers, which I think was a year later. Okay. Because now it's not a fluke. Now it's like, wow, Vince Vaughn is one of the biggest stars we have. And then like right around then, also started dating Jennifer Aniston, maybe, not maybe when they were filming the breakup. And he's on the cover Us Weekly all the time. And it just felt like he was like one of the biggest stars in the world there

for a year and a half. And it's been an A-Lister for a long time. Luke Wilson. I think so, because it's right around here is the run for him that is actually like the mainstream run where it's like legally blonde to Charlie's Angels this. I'm not necessarily saying I like those movies more than bottle rocket or ten bombs, but he was a bankable. He was like, he's getting the lead white guy rolls. Like in a different era, this guy's in the Harrison Ford zone. Oh, wow.

Jesus. Don't you think so? That's blasphemous. That's what you just said. Jesus. That's a wild take. first Franks In a different era

You don't think That's what Luke Wilson's career trajectory is No he's a comedy actor He's like Charles Groden or something He's Harrison Ford What? He's not a action leading man

Harrison Ford's an action leading man He became one I don't know Yeah he was I mean he was on solo I think that there's something about Luke Wilson that has like To kind of like rugged Let's have the Luke Wilson conversation now

Okay I don't think he's very good In this movie or across the board I just think in general I think there's a little I think he kind of lucked out with some of being in the right movies and the right times kind of things.

I think he is the beneficiary of having a very creative brother and forging a partnership with Owen and Wes Anderson. And those guys put him in position to succeed a few times. He's very good in Bottle Rocket because he plays this kind of doe-eyed, innocent type. And he's kind of been replicating.

He replicates that in Charlie's Angels, in Legally Blonde, in this movie where he's kind of like, I'm just a regular guy, you know? I'm overwhelmed by all this. I don't know. I actually, nah,

let's wait until probably and answer real questions. I'm not as big of a regular guy. Like, that's a guy who loves to have beers. Apparently, he's Harrison Ford. And.

Well, I love his persona now. And play golf. As like a, as like a lynch made of the Calaway. He's like a cricket golf shirt shirts. Yeah, right?

He loves golf. He loves bourbon. He loves hanging out. You know, he's like that kind of dude. You definitely could stumble upon him at a semi-private course on a Thursday morning,

just kind of maybe hanging with a Takate, you know? It's a great guy. Seems like a great hang. Have you ever met him? I haven't met him. I'm excited to see the fugitive with Luke Wilson

directed by Chris Ryan, though. You guys, I don't think you're reading me right now. That was a heat check. So you said, when the tables get turned on Chris Ryan, all of a sudden, everyone else is a dick.

Did you say, so let me just make sure I have it right. You're saying Luke Wilson is better than Harrison Ford and Frank Sinatra. I'm saying that they, that they fucked up by not waiting to make Star Wars when Luke Wilson was around so that he could play Han Solo.

You think there was an action movie path for Luke Wilson that wasn't explored properly? Yeah, I don't know if I think if Luke Wilson had stayed in game shape. I think there is like an action movie path for him. Yes. Craig, did you hear Chris Ryan say that Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford?

Verbatim. Yeah, all right. So we all heard that. That's good stuff. Elisha Cuthbert. No. 24, season one, right? Yeah, but 24 season one was like...

Is that this year? It was like 2001. She's been on that show a couple years. Then is in old school. It feels like this is about as good as it got. I was always a huge fan. Just briefly, do you think it's girl next door? Is her best performance?

Because that wasn't a good movie. She's incredible on happy endings. I don't know if you guys watched that show. Yeah. I really liked her. I actually thought her career should have been more significant. She's still around. She's on the ranch.

I feel like she should have been... It's a great podcast from you. She's on the range. In another life, the ranch is popular, though. It is popular. Elisha Cuthbert could have been Elaine May.

Let me just tell you something. That's good stuff. It's a good new bit from you. I do feel like... Unreasonable Comps. She could have headlines... Chris Ryan's unreasonable comps is good. Let me ask you, because I think everybody likes her.

Why couldn't she have had that kind of Drew Barrymore rom-com where she just made like three straight rom-coms where she's to start with it? Right around that popular. So that's what. killed her. Rom-coms died right when she was moving

into the, about to make rom-coms. She pretty much never made another comedy after the girl next door, which is weird. Big screen. Big screen. Yeah, she obviously went to television, but she's got like a comic timing

and she's charming. She's like really, really, really good on happy endings. If you guys haven't watched happy endings, I think it's on Hulu. It's really super funny. I think she's good in this movie. Yeah.

Like her whole vibe the whole time and I don't know. That's such like a, the cast of Girl Next Door It's like a real... Paul Dano. Like lightning in a bottle movie. Yeah.

You want to vamp on the ranch for 20 minutes? No, okay. But I'll vamp on a girl next door because olfant's in that too. Yeah, he's good. It's a movie that should have worked and when you study the IMD B of it,

you wonder why I didn't. But it just didn't. I thought it was pretty funny. It was fine. The girl next door has six credited screenwriters, so it doesn't. Always a red flag. So does Armageddon.

The Joe... Those six guys could have been William Goldman in the race. Patrick Crancha, Apex Mountain? Probably. Probably. He went out high. Did we not mention

You're My Boy Blue and what's age the best? And Blue? Yes, sir. Do you trust that I don't want to see you die here tonight? Sir, yes, sir. Blue, you're my boy! Thank you, sir. Because You're My Boy Blue, along with earmuffs, is in the lexicon.

Yeah, I had it for best quote, but I guess we should have mentioned You're My Boy Blue Fur. And Pulaski is part of that. Well, we did the bet, though, what's the best scene? It was the whole blue. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But we should have mentioned, we should have given a special shout out to you're my boy blue.

And Spanish was funny too for some reason. I'm just repeatedly calling some random guy Spanish. Joey Pants Award, a lot of nominees. I got to say, it's got to go to that guy from Mad Men. I don't know what that guy's name is. He's Jeremy Pivens henchman in this movie. Then he ended up on Madman in the last couple years. And he's just one of those guys.

He's been in stuff. I don't know what his name is. Is this the Joey Pants Award you're talking about? The Joey Pants Award. I think I have the winner here. More than that guy from Mad Men? What is that guy's name? It's more just because really far background player

in this movie who wound up kind of showing up at Patrick Adams, who plays guitar during Dust in the Wind is the Star of Suits. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one.

That's interesting. Hold on. I'm trying to figure out who the... It's a very, very deep cast here. You know the guy from Madman. He's very distinct-looking. He plays Bobby Barrett's husband. He's the mean comedian in the first season of Badman.

He's also so memorable in a Mulholland Drive. where he tells the story in the diner, and then they go behind the dumpster in the back. He's in something else, too. He keeps popping up. It's definitely one of those guys. Would this movie have been better with Treo, Bouchemey, or Michael K. Williams?

His name is Patrick Fishler. Patrick Fisler. Very good character actor. That's how you win the Joey Pants Award when I have no idea what your name is, but I can name nine things you've been in. Treyo Bouchemey or Michael K. Williams. I think Bouchemi maybe could have played the principal.

I think Treo definitely could have been like... Trey would have been a great frat number. In the frat, like he's just a mute guy they pulled in, doesn't say much, but he's intimidating. Michael K. Williams, I don't know how he fits in this movie. It would have been weird. I'm not sure if I ever thought this movie needed one of those three guys. Yeah, I probably didn't. Tough category for this one.

I don't think anybody really fits the bill. Saul Robenek, Saul Rubenek, they knew. It comes down to me. He's Sean William Scott. him and Andy Dick. I'm gonna go Andy Dick here. Don't sleep on Sean William Scott really going for it. But Andy Dick really maximized.

Yeah. Andy Dick's out of his mind in this in that one scene though. He's out of his mind. He may have literally been out of his mind at this time. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's probably Andy Dick. There are a lot of moments where Farrell is really going for it though. Yeah.

You know? We're going streaking at the top of his lungs is pretty Rubenick-esque. I love the speech feral gives or like what he says to those guys when they have the cinder blocks tied to their dicks? Do you believe that I don't want to see

you get hurt? Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I would say indie dick. Okay. Picking Nits. Why would Alan Pompeo's character ever touch Luke Wilson in a million years?

There's like nine different times she should have been running. That's the biggest flaw of this movie. Yeah. It's the first I hadn't talked to 20 years. He's drunk and spills a drink. and ruins her dress at a wedding. And then the next time she's saying, hey, you're going to see you again.

It's like, she's never seeing him again after that. Then they're on a date and a high school, a girl in high school wearing an Oakwood High jacket is like, hey, sorry about what happened with my dad and makes it very clear they're involved. He somehow rebounds from that. And she has a kid. It's like, this is the stepfather for your child? And even if like he convinces her otherwise, like, you know,

he breaks up a relationship with Mark. It's not like. But counterpoint, this is. a woman who dated Mark for two years, who is a scumbag. So maybe she doesn't have the best taste in men. Maybe she doesn't have the right radar. The perfect girl with horrible tasted men.

What a movie character. I mean, she's not the best. It didn't really work too hard to flesh her out. Like, could they, should they have dated in high school? Maybe she just saw a little bit of Harrison Ford in him. Maybe she was like, I believe in you. That's probably what it was. That's probably what it was.

You're like a young Indiana Jones. Yeah. Another picky nits. Why wouldn't Vince Vaughn be a cheater? I think that they have to like zip that up so that he stays within the bounds of any kind of normal behavior. So you're rooting for him? He's just Satan. Yeah.

That's one of the best scenes in the movie when he is alone with the girl. He tells the girl. You know, and she kisses him and he pulls back. That's actually a really weirdly well-acted scene in a movie that is ridiculous. Yeah. I thought I get it why they did it. They have to make, like you said, they have to make him kind of not evil. best quote any other pick a knit you want to pick some nets anything i'm so excited for best quote

best quote comes down to blue year my boy fill it up again fill it up again once it hits your lips it's so good wait i thought we're in the trust tree in the nest were we not my favorite part and then uh the whole thing with the earmuffs whoa whoa whoa oh what the fire why in front of the kid I got to say earmuffs to him, and then you can say, fuck shit, bitch. And then Frank goes, cockballs. He's like, you don't have to take it that far.

I absolutely did. Cockballs. I don't know, anything else? I mean, there's a lot of lines. I don't know if you want me to save, would you be this going best moment or would it go in? Best quote, it's got to be blue, you're my boy, right?

That's the memorable quote other than earmuffs. I do love the entire toast speech at the wedding. you know when he's like you know Frank's dad's here I haven't seen him in eight years love you dad love you dad and then Mitch starts talking and he's like true love is hard to find sometimes you think you have true love

and then you catch the early flight home from San Diego and a couple of nude people jump out of your bathroom blindfolded like a goddamn magic show ready to double team your girlfriend did you have any bad speeches at your wedding any out of control speeches? That at my wedding I've this is a long time passion of mine

and the thing I miss most about going to weddings is the bad best main speech. The brutal speech. I went to a wedding once where the guy literally got heckled. It went for 15 minutes and people were just opening. And was he just like going through the wedding?

He's just drunk and rambling and he really wanted to get to the finish line and people were just out of their minds. It is great. I always thought this should be a TV show. I would just, or a YouTube channel of just bad best main speeches. Brutal wedding toasts.

Yeah, brutal wedding toasts would be the best. Like live PD The one with the ladies can get worse That's funny Really? Yeah, because they'll bring up something You know A little jealousy might come at

Or like so if well that's when you were dating Bob for that time You kind of see the guy go Bob who's If you told me five years ago you'd get married first And everyone would have believed it Here we are Carrie and I My wife

We were staying at a hotel once In San Diego for a soccer tournament And we was actually the Tori Pines hotel where they had the golf course. We'd always wanted to stay there. And there was a wedding there and we had a balcony that looked out onto the wedding. And we ordered a bottle of wine. And we just sat there and it was so much fun. And it was exactly how you thought it was. Like one, the guy gave a great toast. The two maids of honors together went up, which is always a disaster. They did the combined toast. One of them was too drunk. It was a train wreck. The dad gave

His speech was too long. It was great. I was like, this is so much fun. It's amazing that we just repeat these rituals literally every day in America. It's like, no one has like solved it. Have you been to a wedding? I've been like, well, that was perfect. No one made a misstep.

It's because it's hard to do. Well, what's crazy is that playing the same songs now in 2019 that were the weddings that I was going to 25 years ago. But there are some things about, like, shout works. Like, I defend shout. But then there's some where you're just like, why are we still listening to this, like, you know, this Michael Jackson song 30 years later? This movie also nicely slots into my Open Your Movie with a Wedding Theory.

You know, same shit. Yeah. Just like, let's get a party going right at the time. The Godfather, wedding crashes is an old school. The Holy Triumvirate. Yeah. It's like that and then Luke Wilson

is Indiana Jones. Those are my two favorite trilogies. I can tell you guys are going to let this go. Clear and present Wilson. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? So we've seen this movie. We've seen this movie. get made over and over again where somebody goes back to college.

You even mentioned Melissa McCarthy last year. I haven't even seen that. My kids really like that movie. It's funny. But could this just be 30-somethings at college? I don't think it could. Has there never been a frat TV show like this? No, but I also think that it would have just, they would be labor, the sort of midlife crisis

elements of it, and that's not really why I watched old school. It's not to be like, I hope Frank and Frank gets back together with his wife. Wait, can I add one more quote? Yeah. I really like when Mitch says I wasn't looking for a girl like that, and Beanie says, well Columbus wasn't looking for America my man but that turned out pretty okay for everyone there's also a really underrated moment when he first

gets the house and Mitch says a professor lived here for like 30 years and died and B he goes that's awesome I also really like I know a great sand guy yeah that's with a hockey stick yeah probably in answerable questions this is a great one

this is one of my favorite unanswerable questions ever who's the 2000 2019 Craig Kilbourne, who would have been cast in old school if it came out in 2019. Oh my God. Who's the stunt casting? It's like a YouTube guy. Isn't it like Logan Paul or something?

Wouldn't it be like somebody who's like... Oh, it's got to be older though. I'd also feel like it has to kind of be a sports person. I was thinking it's Joe Buck. Joe Buck. It's like if Joe Buck was the boyfriend. Joe Buck is Mark. That's fucking crazier than me thinking that Luke Wilson could play Indiana Jones.

Craig Kilbourne was crazy. No, but it's got to be some... It's two scenes. you're the boyfriend and you're just intentionally being a dare. Gus Johnson. Rise and fire.

Jim Nance. Hello, my friends. Who is it? What are you trying to nail like somebody who is unexpected or who is like a broadcaster? I was saying an unexpected

person from the TV sports. What about Mark Jackson? Jeff Van Gundy. Mama, there goes that man. Would it be like Trevor Noah? Somebody who doesn't but it has to be somebody who's famous. Who is it?

It's Jalen. It's Jalen Rose. Oh, my God. He would never do that, though. That's Jalen's a good one, though. That would be great. I do it. Tell him to call me.

That's funny. Probably an answerable question. Could they have improved the Luke Wilson spot? Wow. Well, definitely not Harrison Ford. Stab me in the back. So we cross Harrison Ford off the list

because we have the stronger Harrison Ford. Would this movie have been better with Owen Wilson as the star? Yeah. The Julia Lippman said the same thing to me. This goes back to the Luke Wilson conversation. Okay. I think he's a little bit born on third base in this movie.

There's other people in this role that I would have wanted more. I don't know. I like him. This is not a role where you can do any more than what he does. He needs to be like a little, he needs to be both smart and a little spaced out, you know? One of my favorite things about this movie is inexplicably. Like I know they're supposed to obviously have had a lot of like frat parties and stuff. but there's a couple of scenes where

like inexplicably a character looks brutally hungover and you can tell it's because the actor is brutally hungover. Like when they meet in the diner and Vince Vaughn's paying for breakfast with all the guys he looks like his night just ended and it's like I love that look

that Luke Wilson has for most of this movie where he's just like circles under his eyes and all the guys are coming up to me like Godfather, Godfather. And I think he just really does like had six Natty lights last night. He didn't mention the godfather thing, but that part's pretty funny too. Yeah.

And also they say that in front of Ellen Pompeo, who is still non-plused. It's still like the post fight. It's like, it's a great like fight club joke. It's like a great like you don't talk about this outside of, don't talk to me about does it work? I, I, I'm sure you could improve upon Luke Wilson, but I don't, I wouldn't change him. I can't, I love the sunshine state. Gorgeous, you know?

Gorgeous. That scene is great. Okay. The only other answer is coming around in my way of thinking on this. No, it's one of the worst takes I've ever heard on a podcast. It's staggering that you said that about Harrison Ford. But that's what we're going to move on. We won't bring this up on every other episode of this show.

Frank Sinatra's fucking handsome. That's all I can tell you is. You're next. You know that right. I got one. I got one. Who won the movie? It's Todd Phillips for me because of everything I said.

He's about to become, in many ways, he's bigger than Apatow. Like, nobody thinks of him that way, but if you think about how successful his movies have been, he's bigger than Apatow. I mean, his next movie is a Joker movie. So he's got it. And also, I don't know if people really know this, but Todd Phillips is probably going to be nominated for an Oscar this year

because he produced a Star is Born, because he and Bradley Cooper are producing partners. And so if a Starsborn wins best picture, you might see Todd Phillips on that stage accepting the award. I didn't realize that. Bradley Cooper voice. Doing Andrew the Giant as Bradley Cooper. I remember there was a great moment in the,

when Bradley Cooper like premiered star is born, I think at Toronto. And he went up on stage and he was just like, I just remember when Todd Phillips gave me a card that said you can do anything. Or when are you going to start believing in yourself the way I believe in you? And I was like, this is fucking amazing

because Bradley Cooper is Alley and Todd Phillips is Jackson. It's a true. It's a real thing though. I mean, that's the movie they made him a movie star. And there's a really good story that we ran on The Ringer, right when we launched in the summer of 16 by Mike Powell is a profile of Todd Phillips. And Todd Phillips is a great quote. And Cooper's quoted in that story.

Jonah Hill is quoted in that story. A lot of people talk. A lot of people go to bat for him because he definitely picks people at the right time. Yeah. You know, he picked Will Ferrell at the right time. They wrote a movie for Vince Vaughn at the right time. That's a real skill. And clearly he learned that from Ivan Reitman,

who was amazing at that in the 70s, and 90s. So my vote is Todd Phillips. I'm going to go Vince Vaugh just for variety. I think he's incredible. Every single line he has is quotable. And Bill will go with a different candidate.

I'm going to Wolf Farrell because of Manchester Wolf Farrell comedy run. There it is. Tick-Tac-Tow. Great. Sorry, Luke Wilson. Should I have given you a note that says nobody believes in you like I believe in you in like 2012 when you're running the triangle? on Grantland.

Yeah, I think you probably literally did. You should have given me a note that said, in a different time, I think you could have been Harrison. That would have totally worked. Before we go, just quick Godfather stuff that we promised. Why don't you also make sure you tell people what we're doing next week, what you're doing next week? Oh, Shane and I are doing the Fast and the Furious, the first one.

Which is really phenomenal and it was really helpful. up. So that's happening. Biggest beat of Fennessee's career. We should preface it by saying you're about to hear fake fucking news from Bill because Bill is going to use his own

vortex of like selective people who've responded to him that have disagreed with Sean and I. I just want to talk about the compound. He just wants to talk about the compound. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I think we should circle back on we can circle back to that later. Yeah. No, they're there. So we didn't

tough beat. We asked where the compound was none of us really knew. We'd take some guesses. I think we guessed Jersey and Westchester. Right. And the actual location is Long Island

where Sean is from. That's right. I am from there. Here's my thing. And how many people reached out to you and said you completely retreated Long Island?

I got seven emails, which is a lot of emails about a podcast. So the compound is in Long Beach, which is in the southern shore. And my message to the southern shore is fuck the southern shore. I am from the northern shore.

Shore of Long Island, and I'm North Shore till I die. And I'll tell you what, there's some perfect circuitity here, which is that the person who is also from the North Shore, from my hometown, is Todd Phillips, Director of Old School. So if Todd Phillips were here with us today, I'm sure he would say, fuck Long Beach, fuck the Corleone compound, North Shore. So one reader, Ian Lewis, said that in order for Sunny to drive to Connie's house, he would have most likely had to take the parkway to leave Long Beach and drive to the Bronx or wherever in New York City they lived

and that's why they said the causeway which is part of the shorthand term for whatever. They also said the tip-off if you knew from Long Island or if you knew like what it was like back then you called the operator and you said OB-4

he said OB-3 and that was like some sort of tip-off. I got a lot of different emails about the timeline of the movie which I thought were interesting about when Michael came back what year did this start? When did it go all the way through? And basically, when Sunny's driving in the tow booth,

randomly it's the Bobby Thompson's Miracle Home Run game, which was like, I think... Is that on the radio? Yeah, it's on the radio. Oh, I don't think I've ever even noticed that. And this September, 51, and then the thinking is, then Pacino comes back shortly after,

then sees Kay Adams. Because the wedding is in 46, right? The wedding's in 46, so that takes us about six years. Kay Adams comes back, or he goes to see her in 52, By around 56, that's when the christing happens. Wow.

I didn't know it took place over that long of a time. Yeah, so we're thinking like 55, 56 for that. So how long is he in Italy for? So Michael, his Nix tickets were 10 years old at that point. Russell was coming into the league. He wasn't able to go to as many games because he fell behind in Italy. He would get like box scores from like three weeks ago. Yeah.

In Sicily, it was really hard to follow the Nix. Like for Brutio really had to get to go into town and get box scores for him. Preetzio. Another thing that people pointed out, hold on, I had a couple emails. The reason they didn't kill Carlo right away, we said part of it, which was the Don didn't want, you know, he had made the promise to whatever. It's his son-in-law. He's not going to kill his daughter's husband. But one reader theorized, that was why they pushed Tom out because it just wanted to be, Michael would be the one that got rid of Carlo.

Yes, and not town too. But we were right, I think, and it was in the book about, it would have tipped off Barzini if they killed Carlo, because that was the direct connection. And then somebody else said, Carlos was like on the phone when Michael comes home. We were talking about that because they said to listen for the phone calls. Vito tells Michael to have somebody watch like the exchanges, like the phone call exchanges. And then in the book, Polly calls in sick and they trace his calls

and he's going across the street from the compound a couple times. So that's how. people who responded to us felt very strongly that there is no way and this is apparently true in the book that polly was not sick and that he was just a part of the setup which is something we kind of talked around a little bit yeah so that's it and then also you forgot about the fact that we never said frank sinatra wasn't cool that wasn't the point that we were trying to make and this becoming an ongoing bit is one of the worst things you've ever done in the history of my career and i would just like to state for the record that i never said frank sinatra wasn't cool merely that johnny fontaine is not a replica of Frank Sinatra, and believing that is a falsehood. I think we're both right.

Okay. I think Sinatra was mad because he felt that Johnny Fontaine was supposed to be him. It's supposed to be from here to eternity. It's supposed to be him getting that part. I get the parallel. I see Sinatra's point. It'll make him a big star. He saw Al Martino and he's like, what the, oh, we didn't do the Al Martino Award.

Okay. For old school. What's the Al Martino Award again? The worst actor in old school. Well, it's Craig Gilboard. It's Craig Gilmore. No. He won a Al Martino Award. There go.

And then finally, Jason Cox emailed. What happened to the kids Kay was teaching when Michael turned up? I think that there's an assistant teacher. That's a great question. Is that really something that people... I actually went back and what, because I was like, there must have been another teacher. And then I watched. And it's just her with all the kids.

Oh, my God. And she just abandoned all these kids in the middle of the street. So Godfather four is about what happens to those kids, the new generation. I like the idea of all those kids. kids just being dead because K goes off. I know. Those kids are just out there two days later. That's how children of the corn starts.

All those kids are out in a field with a cult. That's really funny. So anyway, that's it. The Fast and the Furious is coming next week on the new Latchables. Thanks, John. Thanks, Chris. Thanks, Bill. All right, thanks to the Flat Circle,

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