The Rewatchables - ‘Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood’ Live From Sundance With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: February 6, 2020

Live from the Sundance Film Festival, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and his stunt doubles Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan are a gang of has-beens trying to keep the magic alive in the Golden Age of Hollywood when they rewatch 2020 Best Picture nominee ‘Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood,’ starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt, and Margot Robbie, directed by Quentin Tarantino. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We did it last week. It is once upon a time in Hollywood. Here it is. Anybody order fried sour crowd. Once upon a time, Mary, in Hollywood, coming up. I'm Rick Dalton. That's your son? No, that's my stunt double cliff booth.

All right, what's the matter, partner? Line. It's official old. buddy who has been. Burst yourself like that in front of all those damn people. Here I am, flat on my ass. Who I got living next door to me? I'm Sharon Tate.

I play Miss Carlson. McClellan's. Give me a lift. Where are you going? Charlie's going to dig you. In this town, I can all change. Like that. Once upon a time in Hollywood

in theaters July 26th. All right, my name is Bill Simmons. That's Sean Fantasy. That is Chris Ryan. Thanks to Sundance TV for hosting us. Thanks to Peroni for sponsoring the event. So we've done this. This is the third year in a row

where we've done this with a movie that is about to possibly win the Oscar. Two years ago, we did Get Out. Last year we did A Starsborn, which I think some people were. upset about. Fuck them. This year I think the,

this year I think people are going to be happy with this choice. Let's go five years from now, because we always like to talk about how the Oscars really shouldn't be awarded until five years from now, because then you avoid mistakes like the artist. What year did the artist win? Or 1917? Or maybe 1917 in 2025.

Sean, five years... All my World War veteran one veterans out there, I'm sorry. Guys are the real heroes. Sean, five years from now, what's going to jump out about this movie? It depends on if Quentin Tarantino's 10th and final film has been made by then.

Because if it hasn't, then we'll still think that he got screwed on not winning the Oscar. But if it has, he probably will get that last Oscar, so it's hard to say. But if his last movie

is a five-hour version of bounty law, we'll probably feel the same way. That wouldn't be ideal. Are you sold on him being done after 10 movies? He's a close personal friend of yours. He's done a couple of years. He's done a couple rewatchables.

Sure, yeah. Do you feel like it's one more movie, that's it? And then he does, like, prestige TV or who knows? He says he wants to write books. Which, I mean, in 2020, that's bold. Jesus. I can vouch first hit. I don't want to write books.

I've written books. What jumps out to you five years from now? Put yourself in 2025, Chris. Yeah, I think it's probably the two lead performances that wind up being iconic for both of these guys and their filmographies and that we will look back and we will, we will like associate Rick and Cliff with Brad and Leo

the way we do you know Michael Corleone with Al Pacino or you know like Jake Lamano with Robert Tenero. Wow really? That's big. Not necessarily on that level but I think that they are pretty like for these guys in their later stages like what's the other Leonardo DiCaprio other than the bear movie? Like what is his like signature role of the last like eight years? Blood diamond.

Blood diamond, that's right. You're just baiting me into doing a blood diamond accent. But my reaction when I saw this movie and my reaction when I rewatched it a couple times since is Brad Pitch is the leading sentence. He needed one more of this. I think he's obviously an A-Lister. He's a hallfamer, the whole thing. But I compared it to when Nuitzky won the title in 2011, where Nuitzky was a hallfamer anyway. He was going to be a top 40 guy.

And then the title pushed him to a whole other level. and that's what I feel like with this Brad Pitt It was the performance. I always felt like he had in him. He got there in Moneyball. You see shades of it in Moneyball, yeah. Yeah, I think Moneyball, which we loved, which was one of the first rewatchables we ever done.

He's had supporting parts. I thought it was awesome in Fight Club. This is like the total package. And when I did a podcast with Wesley Morris about this movie back in August, Wesley was saying like Brad Pitt was always destined to be a little bit of an older actor. That was going to be his,

it's seemingly like his post-prime. But really, this is his prime. He's a little weathered. It's got some baggage. You think about this character, Cliff, the wife killing stuntman. We don't know how the wife died. And this was just like the perfect guy for him to play. So for me, that was the big takeaway.

What about you? Well, for years, the cliche about him was that he was a character actor with matinee, Idle good looks. And so he was always trying to be more interesting and not get stuck playing, you know, Greek gods all the time. This is one of the first real supporting performances he's ever given. And so it kind of makes sense because these are the kinds of actors that he actually likes and looks up to. Also in Moneyball, he's kind of yelling a lot and doing things that are not natural to his persona and his personality.

If you see him like on the award circuit now, he's pretty laid back. It's pretty funny. He's pretty chill. That's what Cliff Booth is. You know, he can carry himself well, but he's, he's calm. This kind of reminds me of like, he always reminds me to Newman where it's like there's this really, really like heartthrob beginning. Like for Newman, it's like movies like HUD for Pitt, stuff like seven. and then there's like a really good interesting middle ground.

Nothing says heart throb like seven. What's that? What's that? Nothing says heart throb like seven. Actually, I know a lot of women who thought he was super hot seven. You don't know that? Are those women alive still? But then...

What's in the box? Then like this period money ball once upon a time in Hollywood is like almost like verdict color of money Newman. You know what I mean? Like it's certainly become a little bit more weathered, a little bit more wise and gone through some stuff. I was thinking about charisma parts because this is such a charisma part. and it can go in a lot of ways, right?

Like Clooney's best charisma movie, I think, was out of sight, which it's the charisma of him and J-Lo that makes that movie. It's also really well done. But for Paul Newman, it's Slapshot, weirdly. Older Paul Newman, a little beaten up. That shouldn't have been an awesome movie, and it's awesome, and it holds up 42 years later. But you think of these different A-listers.

Sometimes, like, what was Tom Cruise's ultimate awesome part? He's basically playing variations of Tom Cruise in these different movies, but I don't know if he had a Cliff Booth part, did he? Would you say he had one? I mean, I think he's been looking for one. He's in need of one right now. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, like his last best role was probably at edge of tomorrow, I would imagine. Right? Eyes wide shut. Are we sure he shouldn't have been in the best actor category for this? Brad? Yeah. He's in a lot of the movie. I kind of feel like, I was going to save this for later,

but I feel like while I appreciate the Brad Pitt Victory Lab, it really kind of blocks out Leo on this one. Like I think DeCaprio is astonishing in this movie. I think it's his best performance ever. Yeah. Really? Go further. And there's no, well, nobody care.

Better than growing pains? You don't remember the scenes with Boner? Better. Yeah. Better than growing pains, better than basketball diaries, better than What's Eating Gilbert Grape, better than The Revenant, better than Blood Diamond, better than Catch Me if you can,

better than everything. But no one cares because he already won. So he won. So we already gave him his moment. We got to talk about Leo all year with the Revenant, which isn't good. Sorry. And this is him reflecting on his own fame in such an interesting way. It's also like a challenging performance because he's very twitchy.

He's insecure. He's breaking down. He's at a weird phase of his life. It's very self-reflective and self-reflexive. And everybody's just like, oh, it's all about Brad. And Brad is incredible in the movie. But actually, to me, it's completely Leo's movie. Yeah.

Plus he allows himself to be fat Leo The end But is he just fat Leo now? He puts like... Have you noticed that he's just like, I'm good with a little bit of a belly? Yeah. Yeah. A little heft.

Yeah. Liked it. Cat, what, calf-length white socks. Yeah. City bike. A vape pen. It's like he's just got it all figured out. I will say he's like a little soft around the middle right now, but I met him in person.

And he was... Named up. He was... Who did you meet in person? I met him at a private club. It's just me and him. We spent like 12 hours together. At Equinox.

Just. getting after it. He wiped down the weights and you get in there. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, we share a Peloton subscription. But when I met him, he was, he's full tractor beam. Like, he looks in your eyes and he's like, hey, Leonardo.

Did he, did he talk to you? Was that the only thing he said to you, though? Yeah, he's not talking. Got back on the Peloton. One more theme in this movie, which I, woke movie. Twitter's reaction to this movie. I don't know. You're going there now?

Jesus. Now? First quarter. You could save it or we could go there now. But I was just astonished by how good the theme that Tarantino cared about was the beginning of somebody's career and the end of somebody's career. And to read people being upset that Margot Robbie didn't have more scenes or why didn't they dive into her character further.

It's just like, did you guys fucking watch the movie that wasn't the point? The whole point was you're experiencing the joy of something. The beginning stages of somebody's career when every single thing that's happening to her is good. There's no backlash. There's no bad review. Everything is just sunny, and she's going to the Playboy Mansion, and parts are going to be coming, and she goes to a movie theater, and she's still not a star yet. Like, she talks her way into the theater and takes a picture in front of the poster.

And you take that, and you juxtapose it with Cliff, with, I'm sorry, Rick, whose career is falling apart, and he's two years away from being on like Dragnet or whatever. He's on Dragnet. He's on Rockford Files or whatever. He's going to be the bad guy in Charlie's Angels in 1976. Like his career's headed that way and he knows it. And that's the whole point in the movie. We didn't need more Barger Robbie scenes.

The scenes that she has are really powerful. I was disappointed. So you want to cancel the cancellers. That's what you're saying. I'd like to recalcel. No. Three cancelables? Can cancel?

We're subscribing to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. I just liked what he did. And I think sometimes we get into this pickapark culture. And this is why all of us love this movie. We watched it. It held up on the rewatch completely. But in the theater, that was my experience watching. I was like, I totally get what he's trying to do. I guess I was disappointed that more people didn't get it. What do you think, Chris? What do I think about this movie being canceled and uncancelling it? I think it's a memory piece. Like, he said that over and over again. I think that this is largely like a figment of his, imaginative memory.

And there's a lot of scenes in this movie that I think can be taken literally or can be taken as a character thinking about something and then what you're seeing on screen is coming from their mind. But Margot's stuff, the Sharon Tate stuff, I think, like, is part of, like,

a long-term Tarantino project. I talked about this on Sean's pod when we were originally talking about the movie. I think we talked about it when we talked about In Glorious Bastards where it's like his project is history. Like his project is this like kind of almost like historical

correction of a record, which sometimes does make people mad, like the way he goes about doing it. But I think in some ways that that's what this was about, which is about he saw this as a moment where these guys who thought of themselves as heroes, who thought of themselves as traditionally cowboy masculine heroes, were able to save the day, even if in real life they weren't. Yeah, I think it's a what-if movie. A lot of his movies recently have been what-if movies. I also think that the thing that you're identifying the sort of initial outrage, which started at Cannes, and then there was a lot of conversation about it. around July when it was released, it's kind of gone.

I think that that conversation about it is kind of over. And it's not, it doesn't seem like it's going to win best picture, but it still, I think, is pretty clearly, like, very high on Tarantino fans' lists and in their hearts. It's still, like, a very meaningful movie. It's very sweet. It's very sentimental movie, unusually sentimental for him. Should it win Best Picture? Yes.

I mean, I think so. Oh, it's pretty mixed. Well, somebody say Jojo? The Jojo. Is Tyka here? I think it was an awesome movie year. I think we can all agree on that one. Every time we worry about the future of movies,

we have a year like 2019, it was just so many good things. I include good boys, by the way. But just stuff for everybody. That was the third choice for this pod. But you think about we were doing Grant Land in February 2015, and we had that Oscars thing, which we really went all in on.

And the fucking artist won. And none of us knew what to do because we kind of felt like it might happen. But it was such a bad movie year. And then I compared it to this year. And it's like, holy shit. This movie got 10 Oscar nominations, including Best Picture, director, actor, sporting actor. It's headed toward almost 400 million worldwide. Sean, I'll give you 30 seconds as an important film person.

And how hard it is for the mid-range movie to actually make money. Original stories is what's really hard. And this is an original story, not based on anything. And, yeah, it's really hard at the box office for those movies to succeed. The other thing to note about the box office, this movie didn't open in China because China asked that he edit out certain sections of the film. And so that would have made more money if he had decided to edit the movie. And he said no, and Sony backed him.

He's like, I'm rich. Thanks, anyway. This is Leo's. How many films do you think he's done with an Academy Award nominated director, Chris? Like 20. What do you think? 16. 17.

in. So Leo... I know that going into this, or did you just dunk on me? Was that like just like you pulled that out of your head, like a thin air? Like you were like seven, six years. Oh, you'll just have to live the rest of your life

wondering the answer. I think Leo decided in like 1992. I care about two things. Oscar winning directors and supermodels. And that's... And that's gonna be my jam. Don't judge me. So it's based on Rick Dalton.

Do you have a supermodel count as well? I do not have that. Yeah, I would say 17. I don't know how many zeros after the 17. Based on Rick Dalton, Bonnie Law Star, which was based on Wanted Dead or Alive with Steve McQueen,

a show that did either of you know even existed? I did. I've never seen it. I didn't know Steve McQueen was a TV star. I tried watching a bunch of the television westerns that get references in this movie. They're a tough hang. Yeah, they're tough.

TV's gotten really good. Yeah. Dalton's relationship with Cliff is based on Bert Reynolds and Hal Nealton. him, his longtime stunt double, who I think, what did he direct? Hooper? Smoking the Bandit, right?

I mean, he directed a lot of his late 70s movies. You guys doesn't know what Smoking the Bandit is? That movie's incredible. Smoking the Bandit rules. It's just Burr Reynolds in a car with Sally Field. She looks great. There's no plot. They're just driving across country. He's laughing. There's a truck behind them. I think there's, is there a monkey in that one, or is that Clinius?

That's every which way, but we should emerge those two movies. Let's, uh... This is a good bit for you. Let's start merging movies. Smoking the Bandit with the ape from every which way you can. Yeah. Every which way. That's an orangutan.

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We have like about 15 rewatchable scenes So what we do if you don't know the process here We have categories to try to break down the movie And have fun with it And through the categories We dive in It's like a big plate of mac and cheese And you dive under and there's like a cheesy part

So we're going to do that for you right now Wait what? I don't know I don't know The altitude is really good me. It's been a rough weekend. First one, I don't have this for me personally, but you guys both have it.

Pacino at Muso and Franks telling Leo his career is basically over. Why is this a re-watchable scene for you? I think it's actually Pacino's sequel performance from Heat. He's kind of doing... Gina, Gina, Gina. I told you when we hooked up, baby. Yeah, he's good in this, man.

He's kind of turning it up, you know? This is also Pacino's character in this movie. Sean has said this, and I hope you don't mind me mentioning this to a couple hundred of our closest friends. What Pacino does that night where he has, like, brandy and watches movies alone is like Sean's like, that sounds like heaven. That's my dream. Yeah. That guy goes into a screening room with his wife, who's like, what I want to do is watch movies all night.

He pours many drinks and just watches the movies. And then the next day, he calls a famous person and says, let's go to Muso and Frank. That's a fucking awesome life. That's you 15 years for now. I think Pacino rolled off the set of the Irishman as Jimmy Hoffen is like, should I tweak the character? Nah. Same character.

I'll just change. Can you change my wig for this? Great. Okay. I'm good. The thing that's cool about the character, though, is he's basically playing a version of Dino De Laurentis, very famous Hollywood producer who started out in spaghetti westerns, who basically handpicked guys like Bert Reynolds and guys like Tilly Savalas to come to Italy

to make movies. And that's what that whole sequence is based on. And he used that spiel on those guys. and those producers use that spiel. Do you really want to be heavy number two on the man from uncle for the rest of your career? Or do you want to be a movie star again? I can make you a movie star again. That speech he gives is pure Tarantino.

That is not that much different than the actual speech Tarantino gives in Sleep with Me when he's talking about Top Gunn. Like nobody really thinks about movies the way he quite does. Now in another couple of years playing Punching Backer, every swinging dick new to the network, that's going to have a psychological effect on how the audience perceives you Right

So, Rick Who's gonna kick The shit out of here next week Manix? The man from uncle The girl from uncle How about Batman and Robin?

Pee! Pow! Zoom! Down goes you Down goes your career As a leading man. Or do you go to Rome

and style Westers and win fucking fights. I gave the same speech to Chris in 2015. Remember? It changed both of our lives. Next scene, rewatchable. I don't know. I told you the altitude. You guys are in for a ride tonight. I'm like barely here. Rick and Cliff leaving the restaurant

Post-Buccino in the parking lot. Where he's crying. This is my first super re-watchable where he goes, It's official old buddy Who has been What are you talking about? What did that guy tell you? Told me the goddamn truth is what he told me And does the whole thing

And he does the whole When you come to face to face With the failure of your career Five years of an assent Now it's a race to the bottom All of it I gotta do fucking Italian movies All right

That guy in there turned you down Once they help me get into Italian movies Well then what's the problem I gotta do fucking Italian God, you have movies, that's a fucking problem. Fucking bullshit. Leading to them in the car and Brad Pitt driving and seeing the hitchhacker and Tarantino throws it in Mrs. Robinson, it's a great five minutes.

And that was like where you're like, oh, this is cool. Brad and Lee are in the same movie. Also within five minutes, that's up the whole crisis in the movie. That's the whole driving energy is Rick's falling apart. Yeah. I'm throwing this in as a rewatchable just because I love everything about how he filmed it. The Van Nuys drive-in. They don't have drive-ins later.

to throw it in. It's locked in. Pit going to the trailer. His weird dog that's been there for 12 hours who's ready to kill Samantha family members later. Brandy. He's got TV guide. He's got the world shittiest TV. It's a mess.

He's got craft packages. Did somebody come and walk the dog, you think? Yeah, I'm sure he has a dog walk. Like a movie at the Van Nuys Drive it? I think dogs were just made of stronger stuff back then. You think they there? Yeah. Late 60s dogs were like, hey,

I'll see you what I see you. Yeah. Don't worry about it. I don't need to go to the bathroom. I'm fine. I don't need like Xanax. I don't need like a dog therapist. You could just leave me and I'll find something to eat.

Would you be okay with that dog on a plane bill? I would not. I'd not be okay with that. The dog food, some good close-ups of the old school 19-70. Yeah, wolf's tooth. Rat flavor. When you talk about like charisma and leading actors, like it's basically him in this tiny trailer for five minutes and he makes it work.

It's not a scene that should work and be so captivating. Every touch he puts in the trailer, Tarantino, is so meticulously thought out. I just, I like that scene. He does one really funny thing, which they do later in the movie, which is I think he's watching The Man from Uncle, and there's a scene between two characters and they're talking to each other, and the woman says, you can't do that, sir.

And then Pitt's character is like, yeah, you can't. Just like sitting in his trailer alone talking to the television, like a sociopath. But that's what people do. The next one is the Bruce Lee scene. So, did I say something funny, stun man? Yeah, you kind of did. What's so funny?

Look, man, I don't want any trouble. I'm just here to do a job. But you're laughing at what I'm saying. But I'm not saying anything funny. So what do you think is so funny? What I think is, you're a little man with a big mouth and a big chip. And I think you should be embarrassed to suggest you'd be anything more than a stain on the seat of Cassius Clay's trunks. Brother, you're the one with the big mouth And I would really enjoy closing it

Especially in front of all my friends But my hands are registered as lethal weapons That means We get into a fight I accidentally kill you I go to jail Anybody accidentally kills anybody in a fight They go to jail

It's called manslaughter And I think all that lethal weapon Hors shit is just an excuse So you dancers never have to get in a real fight which is also controversial. So I'm making an executive move here because they cut away from it. He goes on the roof and takes off his shirt.

And in the theater, there was murmuring and jostling in the theater. When he takes off the shirt, the guys were like, oh, man, not bad Brad Pitt. And other people were jostling that were not the guys. But it's basically he just breaks it out. He's like, I'm still fucking Brad Pitt. He doesn't break it out. He breaks it out.

Takes the t-shirt out. He takes a shirt off. He's no reason for their shirts, come off. Okay. He's like, I'm Brad Pitt. In case you guys forgot. I'm still the guy from Thumb and Louise. I'm a little older.

I'm still strong. I'm still strong. That was your takeaway on that one? Fixing the antenna for no real reason. And then just having a flashback to the time he fought Bruce Lee, which is probably super exaggerated. I doubt that that unfolded the way. There's a telltale sign that it's incredibly exaggerated and that he's not a reliable narrator, which is they have their fight, and he throws him into the car, and then they go hand-to-hand

combat, and then Zoe Bell's character comes out, and the perspective on the frame changes, and you see that all of the people that were surrounding the fight have disappeared. There's no one else in the room. Yeah. And you can tell that it's all a false memory. He has imagined that he kicked Bruce Lee's ass once, which he probably did not. And there was obviously a lot of outrage about this scene because it seems disrespectful to Bruce Lee, but I honestly think the purpose of that scene is to show us that we can't trust Cliff.

Yeah, the Cliff's kind of punch drunk. And it's like thinking about like, yeah, remember that time I fucked up Bruce Lee? That was amazing. I'll smoke a cigarette and fix this guy's antenna now. Exactly. Yeah. And one of the reasons, unfortunately, we love Brad Pitt so much and we think he's so cool that we want to believe Cliff.

We want to believe he's good and decent. And yeah, he could beat up Bruce Lee, but that's not the point of the scene. This is why I was so crazy when there was an outrage about this scene. this is a wife-killing stuntman on a fucking roof drinking who's been whatever for the last one year. He does parkour to get up to the roof. He still has moves. That is pretty sick.

And he just has this crazy memory of this Bruce Lee fight that definitely never happened. Where Bruce Lee is this huge arrogant asshole and Cliff has to put him his place. Like there's no way this happened. And people are like, man, that's disrespect for Bruce Lee. It's like, all right. I personally also don't think Bruce Lee being overconfident

is an insult to Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee was overconfident. That's part of what made him a great artist and a great athlete. It's cool that he's overconfident. I just saw the Bruce Lee documentary, and he's a confident dude. But I love that scene, The Dent in the Blue Car. Cliff amused watching Bruce just rant about how he could kick Muhammad Ali's butt and the way he handles that and he's just ready to go, takes his tucks off.

His wig. Love it. Take his wig off. That's great. Next one. Sharon going to watch her own Mooney, a movie. One, please. 75 cents.

What if I'm in the movie? What do you mean? I mean, I'm in the movie. I'm Sharon Tate. You're in this? Mm-hmm. I play Miss Carlson, the Kletz. That's me.

But that's the girl from Valley of the Dolls. Well, that's me. The Girl from Valley of the Dolls. Really? which comes off a washed-up cliff scene where this starts like when she picks up the hitchhiker, which I like because it's a nice touch. It's just what it was like before Manson, really. I'm only going as far as West's Village.

Hey, you're supposed to come on in. It's great to know you. All right. We'll see you later. This is also like just, you mentioned this a couple times, but like every scene of driving in this movie is the most rewatchable scene. Like every scene where people, People are just driving around, listen to the radio. It's pretty much this and Dase it Confused are, like, my two favorite driving around movies.

Driving around in L.A. in 2020 is not the same as it is in this movie. I have a Honda, and I sit in traffic and I listen to Bill. That's what driving around in L.A. in 2020 is? You're a stop at a stop by going, is that person dead? What's going on there? You did skip a scene. Yeah, he always does. You want me to wait?

After I'm done, you're in charge, Bill. You're free to come in. Okay. I love the old Fox lot. I love the, what if I'm in the movie. I like that they used the real Sharon Tate. I thought that was a really great decision. It was cool that they did that because she was great.

And she was somebody who I think would have had a pretty big career and got, you know, and then she just gets thrown in the Manson family story for the rest of her life, but was a really open-comer. Tarantino said that that, I did. idea of having her watch her own movie came from an experience he had after true romance came out he went to a theater she's on a date at the brood right and convinced the employees that he wrote the script and can i get in and did the whole thing but i think she's phenomenal in that movie and she got nominated for an oscar for bombshell which is a pretty forgettable movie and i thought she i thought

this was the movie but i thought this was the movie what did you think of that scene i think everything that he does with her is really, really smart. He said something when he accepted, I think, one of the Golden Globes where he said she brought the most goodness to any of his movies, which is not really something that you think about. His movies are not decent. They're actually purposefully indecent. They're kind of

gnarly and twisted, and you're meant to walk out feeling a little gross, but exhilarated but gross. And she brings something very pure. It's not like you're pulling for Jennifer Jason Lee and hatefully. No, she's bad. They're all literally hateful. Easy, you got it.

You know, like, no. No. So she brings, like, literally a decent essence to the whole movie. And she's a great actress. She's already, she's going to win an Oscar in the next 10 years anyway. I bought a ton of stock in her after Focus. I think I'm the only one that likes Focus. Anyone else?

It's kind of a quietly incredible Will Smith movie. So you waited until after Wolf of Wall Street, you were like, not this one. Focus was the one. Focus was before. Focus was first. No. Are you sure? Yeah.

Don't try him tonight. He's really sharp. Can someone look this up? Focus was after? Well, that's when I bought my stock. I'm not going to apologize. Bill, can I interest you in some apple stock? Focus is amazing.

What was your scene that we skipped? Cliff, or excuse me, Rick, practicing his lines at his house in his pool, making drinks. I'm sorry, I'd have that out of sequence. All right, just talk about that scene. It's just really funny. And I had never really thought that I'm not an actor. I don't know anything about acting, honestly. I never thought that that's what you would do, but just record the lines, set up the recorder,

and then get into your pool and float around and read your lines. Do we know what the drink was he was making? A whiskey sour. Whiskey sour. Yeah. Eight fucking whiskey sours. Cliff. Because I didn't know there was an egg in a whiskey sour.

In his. Cliff picks up the hitchhiker is an amazing five minutes. And that's Andy McDowell's daughter, which I didn't realize when I saw it. of the movie. Harder quality, yeah. Just made me feel like I'm 100 years old. You hitch up and down Burbank Boulevard all day until someone says they'll drive you to Chatsworth.

Tourists love to drive me. I'm their favorite part of their LA vacation. They'll be telling stories about Hollywood, hippie girl, that they give a ride to the movie ranch for the rest of their lives. Wait, Spawn Movie Ranch? Yeah. That's where you're going. Spawn movie ranch. Uh-huh.

Why are you going there? I live there. Alone? No. Me and my friends. So you and a bunch of friends like you all live to spawn moving ranch. Yeah.

Up in, I'll take you there. That all scene is great, and the tension with them, that character, she's really good. Definitely a breakout. She'll be coming up later in a couple different categories. And it has a lot of driving around,

which Chris loves. And more importantly, phenomenal, Neil Diamond song. Great one. Who knew that they could scrape the Neil Diamond archives and still find, like, an awesome... I mean, the music in this movie is just superb. I think it might be his best soundtrack. Rick's freak out when he completely loses his mind.

I can't remember in your fucking lines. I'll practice them, and I don't look like I got-d-dam practice them. You're sitting there like a fucking babboom. I hate fucking whiskey, I couldn't stop a fucking three or five, right? why? You're fucking alcohol You fucking drink too much, huh? Every fucking night, every fucking night

That's it. That's fucking it. It's gonna win this category. Yeah. Okay. It's also all improvised. It's not written. This was all Leo's idea,

which he brought to Quentin, and they decided it would be a good idea. Did you guys talk about this on a leg day when you were just like next to each other? He's like, all that stuff was me, Sean. And you were like, oh, that's amazing, Leo. Is that you guys? No?

Okay. I set myself up for this. Like an asshole. Cousin of that scene, the I'm Rick fucking Dalton scene when he pulls off his big acting scene, which we should mention. I have for my,

well, I don't want to give away, but Cliff going to the Spawn Ranch. Howdy, Cliff? Tex. What part of Texas is you from? The place he never heard of. Copeville. Ever been to Houston?

Of course I have. Yeah, spent two weeks once on a Houston chain game in August, no less. That doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun. It's last cops Joe I have broke, I can tell you that. Man, Charlie's going to dig you.

The Hawaiian guy seems to be okay. Which I think, when you say it the second time and the third time, you know it's going to happen, it loses its effect a little bit. In the theater the first time, it felt like the whole movie is building up to it. I thought he was going to die in that scene. Some research on this one, Tarantino wanted it to look like the Texas chainsaw. Massacre. Yeah. And had his crew research, Texas Chan, and the whole

feel of it and how desolate it was. And then the other influence was Apocalypse now the Duval helicopter scene, how the helicopters are just kind of constantly there making you a little disoriented. He wanted the dogs to be the helicopters. So when you

watch this scene again, the dogs are just always around and just kind of not out of control, but involved and making you uncomfortable. And like Duval. Cliff is unflappable. He doesn't blink. He doesn't twitch.

He just stays focused on going to see Spahn. The family turns on him near the end, gets dark quick. They do. I saw this entire movie in the theater and didn't realize that was Lena Dunham. Didn't realize until after. How could you not realize that was Tina Dunn? I had the opposite experience. She wasn't wearing like a fake nose.

I was so fearful for Cliff. I didn't even know who else was in the scene. It took me right out of the movie, honestly. Yeah? Yeah. I think she's good. It's not that she's not good in the scene. It's just I was like, why is, why is the movie?

The stunt casting with the Manson family is a little bit, it throws you off a little bit sometimes. And then the last one, unless you guys have others, when the Manson family shows up, Pitt has smoked an acid-laced... Cigarette or joint? What was it?

Cigarette, I think. And then he's basically Floyd from True Romance for the first two minutes of that scene, and then it turns into an awesome action scene, and the irony of it is Cliff the stuntman does all the work, basically kills these three people, but Rick gets all the credit at the end, which is just like a movie.

And you, I remember your white little face. And you were on a horsey. Yeah. Uh, you are... I'm the devil. And I'm here to do the devil's business. No, I was dumber than that. Something like Rex.

Cajot him, Tex! Tex! What happened to Rick and Trudy? Yeah, man. Julia Butters. Eating lunch before I do a scene makes me sluggish. I believe it's... the job of an actor and I say actor

not actress because the word actress is nonsensical. It's the actor's job to avoid impediments to their performance. It's the actor's job to strive for 100% effectiveness. Naturally, we never succeed but

it's the pursuit that's meaningful. Who are you? You can put that in. That's not on your list? I don't remember mention. I picked 10 scenes. Okay. This is a good movie. for 10 hours. Rick and Trudy.

You got to also just have the entire Rolling Stones Out of Time sequence with the lights coming on. Okay. Yeah. So what's the most rewatchable scene? It's Leo blowing his lines

and being in his trailer and freaking out. It's also just like that whole sequence with Oliphon where he's just like, line! Woo! It's just so good. He's like Rick Flair. It's like amazing.

Yeah. So about 30 minutes ago in the green room upstairs, Chris was like literally like, don't fucking embarrass you. herself out there, just freaking out. And Bill had to pep-talk him and get him clear.

I'm going with Cliff on the roof in the Bruce Lee scene. Really? Yeah, because when I re-watched it the third time, I look forward to that scene the most. So that's how I'm judging us. All right, next category. What's already aged the best? We can't do what's age the best because this movie came out five months ago.

What's already aged the best? Rick Dalton's house. It was for sale and I looked at it on Zillow and I was I tell everybody about how close you get to almost buying movie houses. He's never actually... But he has sent us so many links to the Boogie Nights House, where he's like, the price is looking pretty soft today. But it's not like, he's not like, I'm going to buy this for me as a man of my family.

He's like, we're moving the ringer to the Boogie Night's house. We're moving the ringer to the Deep Valley. Which is, it's in West Covina. The porn murder house. A hundred minutes from where I live. And he would just be like, the first. first thing he would do would be like, I'm not coming in today. But then like the next, like, we would all be stuck there.

All this is true. With Alper Kalina. Yeah. So the Boogie Nights house was for sale for four or five months. And they dropped the price a couple times. And at one point, I just did ways and tried to figure out exactly how far away it was from our office. And it was like 10 minutes too far. But we were thinking like we could film all our ringer videos by the pool. Cool.

In the boogie night scene. Wow. Super cool. Rick Dalton's house, amazing. The dog. Randy. Randy. He's age the best.

So we had on hot... What? Why is Brandy a he? I thought it was Randy. Oh, it's a she? Randy is Kurt Russell. Yeah. We did a hottest take.

I forget who did it. About one of the Oscars categories should be best performance by a pet. Which would actually be, if you think about what the Oscars are. Did we really do that? Yeah, I thought we did. in the,

I thought that was an Aaron Sorkin take. Or he was like that horse from War Horse should have won the Oscar. That was so weird when he said that. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. He was not kidding. He was like,

that was one hell of a horse. We think, you think about it, you look at the Oscars and you look at like, I don't know, 1990, 1994 Oscars. You're like, oh, that was the year of Forrest Gump and Shawshank and Pulp Fiction. Where are the pets?

Maybe this, maybe we should have, or it should at least be a little special award the day before when they do like the technical and all that crap. Yeah, I'm in, the dog Oscars. I mentioned Neil Diamond. How they recreated 1969 Hollywood, one of the things I love about this movie is, I love being at a movie where I'm just like,

how the fuck did they do that? And there's a lot of those moments where they're driving down sunset and you're just like, how the fuck did they do that? How did they completely change the horrible highway that I go on? every once in a while make it seem like a fun place. There's a lot of the signage that you see when you're like seeing all the stuff on Hollywood Boulevard and on Sunset Boulevard. Like they literally like redid it.

It wasn't like, oh, that's cool. You just have to like change a light bulb. They had to like reconstruct a lot of the neon signs out there. It was just amazing. And some of them kept the signs, I think. A couple of the stores. They were like, we're good. We'll keep this.

All the production design and the costumes in the movie are incredible. Are they going to win for this? Is that a category that they're favored for? I don't know the 1917 wave is strong man I don't know Jesus fucking world war one give me a break over a hundred years ago actually there's one funny story about that that I heard which is that you know at the beginning of the movie when it's there's like a very slow pan out and you realize you're in his driveway and you see this this painting of Rick you're like what is that it's very similar to the beginning of hateful eight where there's this very slow pan out and it's like a

Jesus Christ statue and I that painting is weird. It's like, why would you have a painting of yourself in your own driveway? I asked Quentin about it. And he was like, I was scouting for the movie and I went to this house in Tarzana that I thought could be Rick's house. And I get to the house and I learn that the house was Lee Van Cleef's house, who was one of his favorite actors from the good to bad and the ugly, very famous spaghetti western actor. And he told this story of going into Lee Van Cleef's house, which is basically a Lee Van Cleef Museum. He meets his widow. They're hanging out. And then he goes into his garage and in his garage is a giant painting of Lee Van Cleef.

And he was like, this is fucking weird that this guy has a painting of himself in his garage. And he's like, that's why I put a painting of Rick in the driveway. And like that's a very weird, purposeful choice for the movie to say like somebody probably saw a poster of Rick somewhere for a movie. And they were like, hey man, I saw this poster of you. I bought it and I want to give it to you. And he's like, what am I going to do with this? I guess I'll just put it in my driveway.

You know, there's a lot of very purposeful stuff going on in the movie that is really smart. Rick remembering when he almost got the McQueen movie and he says, me and the three Georges were up for it. Yeah. I just really enjoyed that. I would say you could add into that, like the accumulated works of Rick Dalton, like all of like the bounty law stuff, the FBI episode, the Italian, the spaghetti westerns, this Operation Dynamite, like all that stuff is just so inventive and imaginative. Yeah, he's definitely on Fantasy Island in like 1979, like right before he died. of lung cancer. Yeah,

Quentin does, like, in the interview he did with Kim Morgan for the new Beverly, he basically, like, plots out Quentin's, like,

hold 70s, or Rick Dalton's whole 70s. I think that's why he wanted to make the movie, too, is like an ode to Maris and Jacaris and Fabian and Ed Burns and all these guys who, like, were maybe going to be Steve McQueen,

but then didn't get a chance to be. Morewood's age the best, the playboy mansion, which is the actual Playboy Mansion, which I didn't realize. I thought they faked it, but that actually really was it. Age the best,

like, in terms of architecture? No, just cool seeing it. Would you say the sexual politics in the Playboy Mansion has aged well? It's like, hey, no, enjoyed seeing the mansion. Had it thought about it a lot.

Roman Polanski dresses like Austin Powers when he goes to the Playboy Mansion. Which I fucking love. He's like, yeah, baby. I love Bounty Law. 1960s airplanes? Sure. With the two floors and cigarettes, yeah.

God, why can't we go back? What happened? What happened at two-floor airplanes with no dogs? and cigarettes. Have either of you guys Give me the cigarettes, you can have the dogs? I never have.

You've never danced on an airplane. No. Bill? Have you ever danced on an airplane? Every time I fly. El Coyote, which has not changed at all. How has it aged? Like, have you eaten it El Coyote recently?

Well, the food has not aged the best. Yeah. That is a margaritas and nachos place, and that's it. I like, we forgot to when Pacino's laying into him, And he says, so Rick, who's going to kick the shit out of you next week? Manix?

The man from uncle? The girl from uncle? Boom, bang, boom, down goes you. Down goes your career as a leading man. That whole speech is great. Rick's Italian movies. The posters would be funny. They'd be on eBay.

Nebraska gym. Yeah, all that stuff. And I mentioned Fat Leo. And then the extended cast, just a lot of randos from our lives, especially my life because I love a lot of these people. Michael Madsen, Luke Perry, Pugino, Kurt Russell. Emil Hirsch, Oliphant, Liam Dunham,

like, uh, it's definitely one of the, is this the most eclectic cast that he's had? I mean, it's, it's like pouring out of like, like,

like, it's like, every single person you're like, oh my God, there's like, yeah, and the people who are, you got cut out of the movie. Like don't,

yeah, that's a big one. Well, I mean, all the actresses who play the Manson family are all the daughters internet famous or sions of famous families. Like Kevin Smith's daughter, Ethan Hawks' daughter.

Yeah. And then, I mean, Clifton Collins's movie, Scoot McNary, like so many people who's faces you know. And then last, what's the age the best for me is that just the title,

the trick of the title and not realizing that the title has set you up for everybody not dying at the end of the movie. Because when I was in the theater, I don't know about you guys, but I thought everybody was going to get killed at the end. And I couldn't figure out the tone of the movie. And now at the end, I'm going to watch everybody get murdered in Sharon Tate's house,

but then the dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, and the title. I remember when he goes to Rome and then that sequence is really short and you're like two hours and 15 minutes into the movie and you're like, what's going on? Is this not the Manson movie? Yeah. Like you kind of got disoriented by the end

and you don't realize when they get back to the house that it's going to get back to the game. Yeah, right. What do you have for what stage is the best? Anything else? I have like just the sensation of moving through your life with a radio or a TV on all day.

Like, because for most of the, especially the first two days, like you're just constantly hearing the radio in the background being like, see your hand, sir, or just playing music and then the way they just like flip the TV on. And like I think that's a very relatable feeling. It's like that constant nightlight feeling of like media like that.

Yeah. And there's like all those commercials that are all authentic. He listened to like I think 16 hours of KHJ real radio broadcasting. That stuff is like on YouTube. You can listen to like hours and hours of other shows. I would also say that the three day structure is incredible. Like just when you watch it and you realize like what you get to see because he's sticking so much to just like, I'm going to show you three days in these people's lives that change

them. It's awesome. So I'm going for what stage is the best, how he redid 1969 Hollywood, because that jumps out of me every time I watch. I don't know about you guys. What's your pick? I like the music and the kind of constant soundtrack in the movie. Yeah, I'm going to go with that. Okay. What's already, I have two different what's age the worst. This is what's already aged the worst. Now, bear with me. This is going to be confusing. The shock value of the murder's not happening with Sharon Tate and all that. That only really works one time as a gimmick when you

watch this movie. When you're re-watching it, you know it's going to happen. So it's like a lot of great movies have that where the big reveal, the big surprise. That one is like the first time it hits you second time you don't think about it because you know what's going to happen. All right. It's time. Damien Lillis.

Damien, Damien, what do you mean it's time? Like, we knew this was coming? Did he die? A lot of people have been talking about Damien Lewis? It's his time in what's already aged the worst. Damien Lewis as Steve McQueen, but he's also acts from billions and Brody from Homeland and has all the baggage from those two guys.

And it's like, that's not Steve McQueen. I'm sorry. I just can't, I can't go there. Him ogling Sharon Tate. I just wasn't buying it. You're not with me? Why are you staring at me? Like, I just took my head off.

No, because I think that that was like not one of the, top 100 things I would have thought you would have said just there. But yeah, he's not good. I agree, he's not good. He's miscast. It's one of the only things in the movie I don't like. And it's also weird, like, even the way his character is written where he's like, that there is Sharon Tate, and that's Roman Polansky and that's, like, it's like a very

Mr. Exposition character. It's funny. I think if you were Steve McQueen at the Playboy Mansion, you would not be sitting on the sidelines looking at what other people are doing. Be at the Playboy Mansion. Just be like, damn, I'm so lonely. I'm Steve McQueen. I had this in nip-pix, but I'll just do it now.

Yeah, he could have probably made a run at Sharon Tate, right? Roman Plansky was like 5-2. He says that's her type. You want me to officially weigh in on if Steve McQueen made a run at Sharon Tate? Steve McQueen's just sadly sitting like on the side like some loser. He can't get Sharon Tate. I don't know. I'm not buying.

He was the biggest star in the world. But she has a tight. She has a tight. She has a tight. I liked that actually. No. Okay. to Spawn Ranch scene, we mentioned

peak the first time, it's never the same after when you know it's going to happen. Anything else already aged the worst for you guys? I had spawn. Okay. I mean, we kind of already did. Yeah, we did that. The takes aged better.

What might age the worst? The Bruce Lee thing, I don't know if that will still go or not. People love Bruce Lee. They don't like any of the, you know, there's Bruce Lee super fans, so I don't know if that goes away. I honestly the way I explained it is how I understand yeah I'm fine with it too casting what ifs a lot of them Bruce Stern's character uh was not the first choice Bruce Sturm was not the first choice first choice first choice was bert reynolds who died during rehearsals could not be in the movie because

he died uh this is better or worse with bert reynolds oh I mean we're talking old bert reynolds at this point turn's pretty good I'm fine with it turn I'm not I thought I'm trying to know. I kind of like it more. Well, it's a better touch because Bert Reynolds was almost a Rick Dalton. Like that's as a note in the movie, Bruce Stern wasn't a Rick Dalton. Bruce Stern was always the bad guy in the Western. Yes.

Well, I have my choice for who it should have been coming up later. Tim Roth cut from the movie. James Marsden, ringer favorite, cut from the movie. So Tim Roth was supposed to play J.C. Brings Butler. And then James Marsden was supposed to play Bert Reynolds. You can see James Marsen in a deleted scene playing Bert Reynolds. He does not look or sound like Bert Reynolds. There you go.

Tarantino originally approached for Sharon Tate. Jennifer Lawrence. Jay Law. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Hot crowd. Jesus. What the crowd up.

Yeah. My lord. Yeah, I don't think that would have worked. I agree. Tarantino wrote the role of Marvin specifically for Outperienced. which, you know, we did the three rewatchables with him. We were asking about his process when he writes roles. And sometimes he writes the role and then figures out the actor after.

And sometimes he says, I am writing this part for this actor and I hope he'll take it. And I think that was the case. Any other casting what ifs? I mean, there was a lot of stories about this movie as it was starting to be developed and as the screenplay was starting to be read, even if it was just like a rumor that an actor had gone to read for it. So there was like a point where deadline had been like reporting that Samuel L. Jackson was going to have like a major role in this movie.

obviously I don't know what that could have possibly been. There was also, I think Tom Cruise was originally thought of for Cliff, right? It's been discussed. Yeah. I don't know how much of that can be talked about. Look, is it fair to say Tarantino has a Cruz fetish? Like he wants to work with him at some point? I could see Cruz in the 10th movie.

What do you mean by fetish? I think he likes him. I think he wants to work with him. He mentioned him in the pods we did with him. And I think he's surfaced a couple times in Tarantino movie. Yeah, I don't know how like a legitimate this was. This is kind of like internet gossip, but it was like that Cruz was up like in the mix.

We could do a whole podcast of all the movies that Tom Cruise was up for that would have been a disaster had he done them. Yeah. And I think this is one of them. Hey, new category because we passed 100 rewatchables episodes. It's not a new category. This is the first we're hearing about this. No, we...

There's a new category? No, it's not new. It's renamed. Okay. It used to be the... Initially it was the Mark Ruffalo. They knew! Yes.

For overacting. Then stall Rubenact. They stop me. in the heart. And then Linda Partridge, they knew what was her thing? Don't call me lady. Oh, yeah. We have renamed it for Vincent Hanna.

Give me all you got! Give me how you got! Overacting award. So this is the overacting one. On reheat, yeah. You didn't hear that? I haven't listened to Reheat. Yeah, we didn't invite you.

We didn't invite you to that one. I'm fired. Too busy doing tricep. Leo, just like getting fit. So my two nominees are the guy who played Bruce Lee. because I thought he really dialed it up. Mike Mo. Or Manson Family Lady after her face was shattered.

But she's like, for like five minutes. She just had like a gun seizure. I don't know what's going on there, but at no point they never asked her to do another take. And she just kind of went with it. And I don't know what happened. So those are my two nominees.

It didn't leap out. I wasn't like, man, she's really overdoing it here. when she gets her face knocked off and then gets a flame thrower I wasn't like man dial it down on let's start at one

get the makeup off come on no we got reset so you're going with Bruce Lee anyone else I actually have I actually think her overacting is when she's in the car yeah which is like I got an idea man you know doing that whole sorry I'm watching me fucking fascist on television man

that's more when she gets hit in the face with dog food that's understandable okay any other any of the nominees Let's give it to her anyway. Well, are you going to give it to Leo for the trailer scene? No, no, no, no, that's good. I think Zoe Bell's kind of going, just going a little hard.

Fair. Screaming at Pitt. I think that scene... Shades of your Robert Shaw and Jaws. Best that guy, a.k.a. the Joey Pants Award. There's like 105 of these people. We each had a nominee. nominee was.

I'll just go James Ramar as ugly owl hoot on bounty law. You may know him from 48 hours. I think you were going with Clifton Collins.

Oh yeah. Cliff and Collins is the Vicaro. Well, just to be fair, James Remar, he's James Remar to me. Because he was Gans at 48 hours

and he was Ajax and the Warriors. He's in the war. He's also in sex in the city. Classic, you know? Solo pod for you? John, who'd you have? There's a lot. Rebecca Gayhart.

Just pick one. Damon Harriman from Justified. That's how you had Clue Gallagher. Clue Gulliger, who is the bookstore owner who sells her the copy of Test Ubervilles, who was star of like the Virginian and a bunch of westerns in the 60s. I just want to let you guys know I did a lot of research on Test Ubervilles that I'm not going to use tonight. Thank you.

Yeah. It's just like a dead end. I have a generous podcaster. I have Danielle Harris, the little girl from Halloween Ford Last Boy Scout, who's now as a grown-up Manson family lady in this movie. QT loves Halloween 4. Yeah, big fan. There you go.

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She crushes it. She's super memorable, every single frame. And I thought I was a star making performance. So I go for her. I got to go Nicholas Hammond to Sam Wattemaker. Give me evil Hamlet. You know, like, I love that. Dark Hamlet.

Yeah. I don't, what does he say? He's like, I want Caleb. Brum, brum. All that stuff is great. There's more, right? Like Lorenza Izzo, who plays Francesca Capucci. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. His new wife. Austin Butler is Tex Watson. Yeah, he's great. Austin Butler, who's about to be Elvis Presley in a Baz Luhrmann movie. That guy's about to be really, really famous. The guy who plays Tex Watson. He's good in this movie.

I agree. Recasting couch. If you could recast one part in the movie, what would you do? He wouldn't have done it, but Jack Nicholson and the Bruce Dern part would have been amazing. Yeah, that would have been awesome. That's a great, great call. You still got it. Thanks, C.R.

Appreciate it. He just said Jack Nicholson. I wanted to play a game with you about this. Yeah. So if not Brad and Leo, then who? Oh, like Ben and Matt? Well. Height difference.

I had, what about Johnny Depp and Robert Downey Jr.? Wow. Wait, I forgot to check my cancel standings. Is Depp canceled? I can't remember. I honestly can't remember. I think he's just, yeah. He's in hiatus?

I'm just going to pass on this one. I thought Depp was like nobody wanted to work with him anymore. I'm just saying in the imaginary world of this podcast where I say something and you respond to it. Fair. Would they have been good together in the part? So I think this works because they're about the same physical build. Yeah. And they look just enough alike that.

It works. And I think it would have been really, I don't even know where to go with two A-lister's. Jude Law and Matt Damon. Get the top of Mr. Ripley crew back together. That's nice. I like that. Not bad. Got another one for you.

I did. That's not bad. I would like to see it. I would, honestly, if they wanted to remake this movie doing that, I would watch it. I had that in unanswerable questions. You want to do that now? If they flip the movie? Sure.

I don't think it's as good because I don't think, I don't think Leo would have been quite as good in the cliff part. He's pretty stoic, though. I think he could do it. Not as physically imposed. Yeah, I don't think he's...

Not since Peloton started between A. And I. What if they flip it, but Leo has to wear his J. Edgar makeup the whole time? Wait, one one... Jake Jellan Hall and Gerard Butler? Jake Gyllenhaal and Gerard Butler

We're just doing a podcast Just three guys doing a podcast But that's not Jake Jillenhal's doppelganger Like that's... It's not like when I see Gerard Butler I'm like, God, that just looks like a swole Jillenhal. It's amazing. But you don't see his face.

We're talking about physical bearing. He's like 30 years older than Jake Jillenall, is he? That's just not true. Butler? You think Butler's 85? That movie's going right to Netflix. It's not even in the theater. Sarandos is like,

oh man, here's 30 million. Downey and who? Because Downey was the one, I feel like he's on the on the Leo Pitt kind of level. Downey and Clooney? Too old. Yeah, I think Clooney's too old.

It's like Clooney's six years ago. Pitch an idea for Christ's sake. Yeah, I bring everything down. I said Matt and Ben, I laughed at Gerard and Jake. I mean, I did, part of the reason why this movie as a masterpiece is because he got it. Chris is impersonated in the internet. He's offering no ideas and just shitting on everyone else's.

Thank you. Speaking of the internet, half-ass internet research, Brad Pitt ad-lib the line. You're Rick fucking Dalton. Don't you forget it? Hey. You're Rick fucking Dalton. Don't you forget it? As a Brad Pitt original,

based it on an actor who told him the same thing when he was a budding actor in the early 90s. He did not say who the actor was. Who do you think the actor was? I have to imagine. I think it's like Michael Madsen and film in the weeds. It's rap report in the in the

Intra romance. He's like, you're Brad fucking Pitt. That's good. What if it was Saul Rubenek? That'd be great. So a flashback shows Rick training to use a flamethrower and recoiling from the heat it generates

and it's funny. Apparently that was Leo's genuine reaction to using it. It's too hot. And Tarantino thought it was hilarious. and was like, that's going on the movie. The Cadillac. Because he says this is getting really,

is there any way to turn the heat down on this? And they're like, it's a flamethrower. Right. Great laugh. Are you just saying the lines? I'll have to do is repeat Quentin Tarantino lines, apparently. The Cadillac belonged to? Anyone know?

Michael Madsen. Same Cadillac that appeared in Reservoir Dogs in 1992, driven by Michael Mattson. Oh, is that's where the cops in the trunk? Yeah. It's amazing Michael Madsen hasn't sold this. He's kept that car in amazing sheep. I know.

Hasn't been able to afford a new car. Oh, but I'd have been that, too. Tough pod for me. Low blow. Don't kill me, Mr. Blonde. At El Coyote, Sharon Tate and J.C. Bring discussed the erotic movie theater

premiered down the street at the E-Rose Theater, which is now the new Beverly, owned by Quintarantan. So there you go. Framed issue of Mad Magazine available in Dalton apartment. You can see it.

He told us this whole story, not on a podcast. He was so excited about it. One of the pods, yeah. About Mad Magazine actually made that as a full-length magazine that he had input on and had jokes from the 60s

and this whole elaborate thing that this is why you got to love Tarantino. He just fucking goes for it with everything. Even if there's a Mad magazine, he's like, I don't want to cover. Let's do 50 pages that nobody will see about Mad Magazine. Yeah.

Let's make the jokes funny. His, like, the way he wrote this movie was he essentially wrote, I think, a novelization that was before the screenplay, that is, here is Cliff and Rick's entire life up into this movie. And then he, like, put the novel aside. I think he gave those to Brad and Leo. And then he wrote the screenplay from that. Every single thing is, like, I know the answer to that question.

The Maltese Falcon, which Sharon Tate holds in the bookstore, is now owned by Leo DiCaprio. Oh. Is that the offensive? And he owned it before the movie and was like, hey, how about, you? you could use my Maltese Falcon because I have the only one. Because that's what you do when you make $20 million a year for like 30 years. You buy the Maltese falcon. I'll have to ask him to show that to me next time I go to myself.

Yeah. When you guys are leaving the Equidux. Trudy was inspired by an actual character from Lancer. That I have no idea why Tarantino was fascinated by her. Well, some people think it's sort of based on Jody Foster. Maybe. Because she was, she appeared on Gunsmoke and Westerns at that time, and she was obviously a really precocious actress,

and she was famous for being highly professional on set. Yeah, and so there's some Jody Foster and her character. Going to Apex Mountain. Tough one, because this movie just came out like a week ago. I will say post-prime Brad Pitt. I don't think this is Prime Brad Pitt, but if you go post-prime, this is... What's Brad's Apex do you think?

Probably a money ball. Apex Mountain, that didn't make a lot of money, though. What would it be then? Ocean's 11. Probably. You think? Well, I mean, I think his Apex might... Oh, wait, hold on. Let's play this out.

When does he start dating Jennifer Anast? I thought you're going to say, hold on, let's start explaining what Apex Mountain did. No, no, no, no. People... Nobody will ever figure it out. I think... You're right. It is Ocean's 11. It's Fight Club or Ocean's 11, yeah. No, you're right, because he's dating Jennifer Aniston.

They're the biggest couple in the world. He's got Oceans 11. They're making sequels. You're right. Okay. Bad call by me. Nineteen60s dog food, Apex Mountain. See those cans? 1969.

I was going to say... Really crazy year, including my birth. Not mentioned. When people do it with 19609. A lot of shit happened. Like what else? Your beloved Mets won the World Series? Yeah, that's just rude to bring that up.

Yeah, that's true. It's like, it was the top three. Yeah? You want to just say more stuff that happened to 69? President Nixon, year one. Coming up next. Last shit going on. That of shit going on.

You just turned into a Tom Hanks CNN document. No, I don't know. That was a good joke. Any other Apex Mountains for you? It's too early. Los Angeles movies? Best Los Angeles movie ever made? You just said Heat is your favorite movie of all time on a podcast. That was a week ago.

So we're starting from zero now. I'm just saying it's in the conversation, isn't it? Sure. This, Heat, Boys in the Hood, Nightcrawler. Like, what else? Quinn said Bob and Carol and Ted Nallis was a big influence. on this movie, which I think came out in 69, and a lot of the characters and the looks

that the characters have, and the scenery and the setting is very Bob and Carol and Ted Niles. That's also a great L.A. movie. Any predictions for Apex Mountain? 10 years from now? Could this be Margo Rhabi's Apex Mountain year? I hope not. No. No. Hey.

Having a conversation. I hope not, because I think she has better things in store. I hope it's not Julia Butters' is Apex. I hope it's not Margaret Quali's Apex Mountain. I hope it's... Do you think it's... I don't think we'll look back

and think it's Pits Apex Mountain, but it's interesting... It'll be interesting to gather here all of us in 10 years to discuss. Pickin Nits. We picked a lot of Nits already. This is where Sean's going to get it. Sean hates when I... I'm not going to touch the third rail,

but I'm going to go near it. Are we sure Cliff would be that afraid to get a blowjob from a hitchhacker that's not 18? He's a wife-killing stuntman and it's the 60s. Is he, all of a sudden

he has a moral compass? This is a cool. You don't have to answer, Sean. Very cool, very cool moment for both of us here. It was 19,

like Elvis married a 13 year old. So the question is, are we sure Cliff Booth definitely would turn down a blowjob in a car in that setting? In 1969. Not answering.

There you go. Did we ever figure out why Cliff's dog never shit and pissed in the trailer? Like, how many hours did dog be in one place? The extended cut,

the dog is like the fourth character in the movie, yeah. Is it like a giant crate where dogs won't shit in their own crate and the trailer's just small enough that it feels like that great? Maybe there's a doggie door,

we just don't see it. Any other nipicks? No, actually, I don't have anything for this movie. So you went... Teenager blowjob, dog shitting, and then you're done. Well, because...

Do you have any nipicks for this? Because I'm not sure if we're supposed to think Cliff's a good guy or not. I think he's not a good guy. Neither is Rick. He's a wife-killing stuntman. That's actually important, I think, about the movie is because we love Leo and Brad,

we think they're the heroes of the movie. They're the main characters, but Rick in particular is an asshole. Like, he is a vain, selfish dick on the wrong side of his life. And that's the point of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. And Sharon is obviously the goodness, and she's the third part of the

story, and she is the, you know, the good balancing out the evil in the history of Hollywood. And I think Quentin has a lot of admiration for those guys, those kinds of actors, but I don't think at any time you're supposed to think those guys are like good guys. Yeah, and I think that the theme of the movie, it's funny because it's like, when you watch Tarantino movies, it's like, I think if we asked, if you ask every single person in this room, they would have like a different interpretation about what Pulp Fiction was like about, if it's about anything in particular.

But I think that the themes and the ideas behind Once Upon a Time in Hollywood are pretty up front. You know, it's like what Trudy says to Rick where she was talking about. about the art of acting. And she's just like, it's really just about the process of trying to get better and trying to be a better person

that is like the point of this movie. Best quote. We mentioned a lot of them, but I have to throw in. It could be one pool party from starring in a Polansky movie. Yeah. That kills me.

What do you have for best quotes? Anything? We mentioned a lot. Hey, Dennis Hopper, move this fucking piece of shit. It's a good one. Hey, you could do anything you want with him. Shit, throw them off a building, right?

Light him on fire. Hit him with a Lincoln, right? Get creative. Do whatever you want. He's just happy for the opportunity. He's a great fucking match for me. Yeah, yeah. You could do anything you want to him.

Shit, throw him off a building, right? Light him on fire. Hit him with a fucking Lincoln, right? Get creative. Do whatever you want. He's just just happy for the opportunity. Rick. There you go.

Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix series? That's the next category. Not only could have been remade, I think a lot of directors would have chosen. to play it that way and take a giant check from Ted Sarandos or whoever or Apple. I mean, he started to experiment with releasing extended cuts on Netflix. I would definitely watch, like, however long he wanted to make this, I would watch the version. This easily could have been a 10 episode series, though.

I think we all agree. And, you know, he's been threatening doing five episodes of Bounty Law, like, for real. Yeah, he's like, I wrote the Bounty Law scripts. It's going to be weird of Leo's like, dude, I'm not doing Bounty Law. I would guess that Leo's not going to do it. Yes. But, I mean, he, and he talks about potentially putting it on Netflix as a place where it could go. That's like when Will Ferrell made a lifetime movie with Kristen Wig and nobody stopped them.

And then it just kind of happened and now it exists. And they spent like four weeks of their lives doing that. Well, especially in the context of Tarantino saying, I'm not doing any more movies, but I definitely want to make 300 minutes of bounty laws. I wrote a Star Trek and want to make five bounty laws and then one more movie that you guys get. Probably unanswerable questions is our second and the last category. Did Cliff kill his wife? Yes.

Accidentally or intentionally? It's purposefully ambiguous. That's why it's a probably unanswerable question. Do you think he killed his wife? Probably. He seems like a shithead. I say yes. What do Rick's next 10 years on IMDB look like? So this is the big thing is that in that interview that I mentioned that Tarantino did with Kim,

Oregon. They basically go through what happens if Rick Dalton gets the John Cassavetti's role in Rosemary's Baby. And he, like, has thought this out so deeply. He's like, I don't think Roman Plansky would have liked him, but in some ways, I don't think he liked John Cassavetti. So I think that there's a possibility. And it's like, if he plays the character, the Guy Woodhouse character in Rosemary's baby, obviously he has a very different career. But in Tarantino's mind, he just winds up on streets of San Francisco. I think he has that, and this is what I grew up with as a kid in the 70s, where he's on all those shows, Streets of San Francisco, Charlie's Angels, Vegas,

he's like the Equal. Rockford Files, he's just hitting all those and getting older and older and looking worse and worse. What if he became like the host of family feud? Oh. Like match game? Or match game or anyone. What was the Whammy one? What was the Whammy game?

Press my luck. Press my luck. Yeah. Couldn't just, because, you know, that's what happened to a lot of those. guys too is they tried to be actors in the 50s and 60s. They did a lot of television. Didn't totally work out. But they were inherently telegenic. And they got jobs as game show hosts. I think he definitely makes a movie that 30 years later they do on Mystery Science Theater 3,000. Sure. Is a mortar lock. Any other probably unanswerable questions?

No, mine was what happens to these people afterwards. Who won the movie? Last category. Decaprio. Chris is so certain. Jesus. You don't want to explain it. DeCaprio does like, low-key six roles in this movie. Like the versions of who he's playing in this movie are so varied. Like the version of Rick who's talking to the Kurt Russell stuntman in the tucks when he's still a little bit more successful

and is trying to get Cliff a job. I guess that's that on Green Hornet that they're working on? Yes. And then the version of him that winds up in Lancer later. I mean like every single time. And then he's also playing roles

within those roles. And the whole time, it's just like such a mind-blowing piece of acting. I kind of don't think it's much of a question. Is he your best actor for 2019? Yeah, him or driver, I think. Driver. You want to do some driver for us?

A huge Kylo Rung guy. Do any driver? It's just so moving, you know? So moving. Yeah, that guy, he just, like, really loved his sister or whoever she was. But, like, he was like... No, I think it was either him or driver.

Yeah. I'm surprised you haven't done any Caleb Dekato impressions, you know? You haven't done like, she played her chili pepper heart out. You don't want to do any of that now? No, I think we're good, yeah. I think

Quentin wins all of his movies. It's a definitively Quentin Tarantino thing. No other person could have made it. No other person really cares about this stuff as much as he does. And every time he makes a movie, he wins his movie. Well, I think we know it's going to happen next time Sean goes to Equinox. Definitely coffee on Quentin

at the next Equinox running. I think Pitt won the movie. We rarely split like this. No. I walked away for that movie being like, Brad Pitt's incredible. And I just, he was the first guy I thought of,

I come to expect the greatness from Tarantino. Pitt, I'd given up on. And you'd think about, you know, Leo, he had him made a movie since the Revenant, right?

Five years. Yeah. Tarantino worked on this script for five years. Pitt, the last good movie he made was 2015. What was it? I had a rid of, I think 15 was the Revenant.

Rip, but what about Pitt? Oh, Pitt. What's the last good? He wasn't starring in it, but he was in the movie. That was good. He's in 12 years of slave, which he produced too. Yeah, but I'm giving up on him and thought that, you know, he obviously had a pretty public breakup. It was pretty ugly, and it seemed like he was going this way a little bit,

and then he just came roaring back, and it's been nice to have him back. Yeah. So I'm giving it to Pitt. What am I going to? Just out of curiosity, let's do sounds of your voice. Who won the movie? Do you agree with Chris? Leo DiCaprio?

Okay? Do you agree with Sean Tarantino? That just agreed with me, Brad Pitt. Oh! You still got it. I still got it. Still throwing low 90s with some speed on the corners. Just a couple Tommy Johns away.

It was all that jostling when he took his shirt off. Yeah. He were like, Brad Pitt is still strong. Yeah. He's still very strong man. Do you think Strug Do you think

Tarantino told him that took the shirt off or Pitt ad lib The shirt takeoff? Do you think he was like Quinn I've been thinking about this scene a lot Would it need to be better if I was fucking jacked?

I think it was Tarantino told him to do it because I think this is a theme of Tarantino movies he likes to revive superstars and he's the fixer and clearly one of his goals for this movie was Brad Pitt is one of the biggest

fucking stars the last 35 years and I'm bringing all of that out of him. I think also he got two of the three or four best performances out of both Brad and Leo in their careers which is out of though. Yeah.

You know, In glorious bastards and Django and now this together for the both of them. And if we're going backwards, Travolta. Trying to think reservoir. I mean, he's pulled out some of the best Kyle. He's definitely gotten the

best Madsons, yeah. And his Cadillac. Yeah. I think after the movie. Yeah. Jamie Fox? Should we just say all the actors in all of his movies?

Yeah. David Carradine? Clue Gooliger. Some of his best work. But this was one of the great Tarantino what ifs was Will Smith

decided not to do Django. Yeah. And that's how Jamie Fox gets it. And that's, you know, Will Smith, that becomes Brad Pitt in this movie,

I think, for Will Smith. I think I would have preferred it with the though. That's good point. Maybe he made the right choice. I love focus.

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