The Rewatchables - ‘Over The Top’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt meet each other halfway to rewatch the 1987 sports drama ‘Over The Top’, starring Sylvester Stallone, Robert Loggia, and David Mendenhall. Watch this episode on our Ringer Movies YouTube channel! Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah. And then we put up all the new episodes as well, including this one with Kyle Brand. He's back. We're doing over the top with Sylvester Stallone. It came out of 1987. we're going to be able to talk about it in one second like it is the most important movie of all time, which it might be.

I got to be honest. But there's certain movies. They just have the scent of Kyle Brandt. And I mean that in a good way. It's the scent of brute cologne. It's the smell of bubble gun. It's the smell of popcorn. So we're going to dive into over the top in one second.

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the premiere of Mr. McMahon on Netflix, which is a six-episode series. that I've been working on for the past four and a half years. It's directed by Chris Smith, who is amazing, and we put a lot of time and a lot of energy and a lot of effort into this. I really hope you watch it. So there you go. Let's talk over the top with Kyle Brandt.

Craig, play the trailer. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the armed wrestling world championship competition. All I want to do is hurting, crippling. And the switch goes on. I feel like a machine. Talk is over. Now the action begins.

Back off, I'm going to give you a world to hurt, little man. You want it? Sylvester Stallone. Oh, you. Come on. Over the top. Let me G. Soon.

Okay, Kyle Brand is here, and we have been circling this movie. Ever since you and I got to know each other. Oh, yeah. Was this number one on the list? What was number one on the list for us to do? Is this way up there? You know what's great, Bill? It was either this or co-operate.

It was one of the two. And I feel like those are cousins, if not brothers. So we've got them. Made by the same production company a year apart, over the top, came out in 1987, immediately became known as the greatest arm wrestling, truck driving, divorce move anyone's ever made. I don't know what the competition is. Kramer versus Kramer crossed with the champ, crossed with Rocky, crossed with arm wrestling.

Want to start there? Yeah, there's a legendary Hollywood story than in an early, draft of Kramer versus Kramer, Dustin Hoff and a Merrill Streep arm wrestle. And that's how they decided it, but they decided to cut it and they went with something more authentic. I wish they would have stuck with it. We can start there. I'm also kind of in a bad mood bill because I wanted to set up a pulley system for this pod where I can work my shoulder while we pod, but I couldn't pull it off in time and it kept falling down. It's just one of the many charming things. If you would pull that off, it just had not even mentioned it and you were just doing one arm pull-ups

the whole time. I tried, man. I tried. So did all the truck drivers have that back then? Yeah, I don't know how the Department of Transportation would feel about their truck drivers taking 18 wheelers on the highway while getting in a shoulder burn. But Sly knows how to come up with cool stuff like that. It's one of my favorite parts of this movie. So Sly in the mid-80s, 85 to 87 does Rambo 2, Rocky 4, Cobra, and over the top in the span of two years.

And we covered this in Cobra. Sly had a point before Cobra where if he's releasing a movie, it was the single most exciting person who could release a movie. In like 1986, even after Cobra, still super exciting. This time he does everything we just mentioned with the arm wrestling truck driving divorce name, but with a little kid with him that needs to be slapped the entire movie. It's the first one ever where you're rooting for father, son abuse. So can he just backhand this kid once?

Can he do something? But he doesn't. I think what's interesting, Kyle, is that Rainbow 2, Rocky 4, Cobra and over? the top. He's giving the same performance in each movie. That's great. I had this bill, like, I have it written down. Does Sly do any acting in this movie? Does he even do a single fucking moment of acting? And that includes a moment like right out of the final day of drama school where he is confronted with the news suddenly that his wife is dead. And he just goes like, oh, he doesn't act for the whole movie. He makes no chance.

choices. It's nothing. He scales it back. This really started with Rambo 2. And then he's just like, I wonder if I can just do this for the next few years. I think he realized eventually it was a mistake because in Tango and Cash, he tries to be like kind of jovial, sarcastic sly. He puts like glasses on in a suit. Cliffhanger. It's a version of this character, but it's also we want to see the pain. But in this, it's just clear. It's a paycheck movie. This was also the first alone movie that lost money, I think since victory. He'd been on a hot streak where he was at least breaking even or making shit loads of money.

People did not like this movie. It led to a slide for our guy. Yeah. Where does it take us? It goes bad places. Give me the rundown because I love mid-80s Stallone. It's like it's some of his worst best movies. And it's when obviously no one was checking him on anything.

Like, Sly, it's just your world. Make whatever you want. Say whatever you want. In Cobra, get a slice of pizza out of the freezer and come. Cut it with scissors for no reason. Just do whatever you want. But it goes bad from here. Give me the rundown after this.

I don't know where I came over the top hat. What's going on up there? Yeah, I got the over top hat. I got the exact hat. In fact, I probably should have turned it around, right, to start the pod. But yeah, I have the hat. So would you buy that on like a, where'd you get it? Website.

eBay? Here's what it was. Last year in the NFL world, over the top was huge because of Tyson Baygent, the Bears quarterback, whose dad, Travis Bejant, was like a real life bull hurler, Lincoln Hawk. So last year, and Good Morning Football, I was Lincoln Hawk for Halloween. So I found it online. Like, if you Google Lincoln Hawk hat, there's a whole bunch of them out there.

So I got it. And I cherish it. I mean, there's a lot of reasons why you're on this podcast, but that has to be in the top three that you're just like, oh, yeah, I have the over the top hat. Yeah, sure. So Rambo 3, 1988, which made almost $200 million, but was bad. Yeah. Lockup, 24 million spent, 22,

brought in. I like lockup and don't think we probably won't be seeing it on the rewatchables at some point. Tango cash we've already done

rewatchables, broke even. Rocky 5 spent 42, made 120, but even Stallone now is like, I hate that movie. That's why I made Rocky Boboa.

We had to, I ruined the franchise. And make the right. Oscar, spent $35 million, made 24. That was 1991. And then stop

or my mom will shoot. Yep. Cost $45 million. and somehow made 71 million, which I don't really understand. But by that, by that, it's over. Estelle Getty from Golden Girls, they like their. Yeah. They like their.

Can I ask you a question, Bill? Like, for over the top, when you rewatched it for this pod, when was the last time you had seen it prior, prior to the rewatch? Because for me, it had been a very, very long time. Unfair question, because it's on Pluto and 2B and cable a lot. And you click? If we're getting close to the arm wrestling scene, it's like we might be in Vegas within 10 minutes.

I'm probably sticking around first. I think the last 35 minutes of this movie is unassailably great. It's awesome. I'll defend it to the death. Great. First 55, 60 is rough. I'm not going to lie, it's rough. It's tough.

I can only imagine producer Craig at like the 45 minute mark going, what are we doing? How is this a rewatchable's movie? But then it just becomes amazing. Yeah. I hadn't seen it in so. long. I watched it a ton as a kid and then a lot in high school. I had literally been over 10 years since I'd seen the movie before they were watchable. And on my rewatch, I was like,

God, this is fucking tough to get this kid won't shut up. And there's so little arm wrestling. It's just that sweet, sweet nectar of the final 30, 35 minutes makes it all worth it. It's very similar to the Rocky II blueprint. Where Rocky 2, the first six minutes is just Rocky 1 again, the end of Rocky 1. Yeah. Then it's got that Frank Stallone. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun,

and they're driving to the hospital. We get, Creed goes into the hospital room. You give me your best, I did. And then it's like, cool. And then for an hour

and a half, it's awful. Long way. And then she comes out of coma. It's great. That's this movie. This movie's bad really for about 40 minutes. And then the payoff is unbelievable.

Is this the unintentionally funniest Stallone movie for you? I can't get there. It's close. It's close. It's Marion Cobretti. It's just with the gun tucked into the waistband and the snake on the gun. That's the best.

But this is still very funny. Him fighting a cult. And cobra. A cult that stands for things that we're just apparently not going to find out about during the movie. They stand for banging axes together and that's it. And they have a knife that has spikes on it. And that's all you need. And there's a laser gun.

And it's awesome. It's still a cobra. I would, Bill, at some point, I would re-cobra if we really needed to re-cobra. A double cobra? I double down. I would. So Lincoln Hawk, he does dispense some advice in this movie. Yeah, go on.

You were born to win, but to be a winner. You must plan to win, prepare to win, and expect to win. I wish somebody would tell Nick Siriani that. Hey, oh, hey, hey, ooh. All I can say is, I made a mistake. I know that. You know, sometimes that happens in life. We all make mistakes, but it won't happen again.

I wish Nick Siriani would say that after whatever happened at halftime. I mean, this was the enduring advice of the movie. The world meets nobody halfway. When you want something, you got to take it. Now, what's weird is Kenny Loggins does this song for this movie called Meet Me Halfway. Across the Sky. Which is diametrically opposed to the lesson of the movie. It's like the world meets nobody halfway.

And then Kenny Longin's like, Meet Me Halfway. So did he know? Did they fuck up in the translation? What happened? That's a great point. Kenny didn't even really get the idea that, no, no, no, Ken, don't meet me halfway. That's not how it works.

Yeah, don't meet me halfway. And it's obviously that Stallone feels so strongly about it. It's as if he saw the world doesn't meet you halfway, like sewn on a pillow somewhere. Yeah. And he was just like, well, it's fucking mind blowing. I want to make a whole movie based on it. And he says it six times.

The song's in the movie 50 times. And it's like, listen, it's fine. It's not like the most poetic thing I've ever heard in my life. I don't even know if it's true. But he loved it, obviously. And that's why we're here. Don't the world meets nobody halfway means you have to take the bull by the horns. Yeah, it means you got to go.

You got no half measures. Like, you're not going to get any breaks from life. You got to do everything yourself. It's really cheesy. In fact, what's funny about your reference is that I know for a fact that Nick Siriani is a huge Sly Stallone guy, like huge. He loves the Rocky movies. He wears like Rocky T-Shit.

It's Philadelphia, all that stuff. So I bet he has seen this movie 50 times and has probably told the Eagles that life doesn't meet you halfway. I bet. Probably after the game last yesterday. The other Lincoln Hawk advice is turning your hat around gives you strength. I don't know if you want to do that when we get to most rewatchable. scenes, but it's like a switch.

It's a superpower. So Stallone did not like the movie after it came out. Distance himself from it a little bit, said later if he directed, he would have set the movie in a more urban environment, dumped the pop music, and made the Las Vegas finale more ominous, which

I don't even know what that means. There's a reason he made this movie. They offered him $12 million, which was a record. So people talk about Demi Moore with Strip T's when she made 20 million. People were like, oh my God, 20 million. And she,

Stallone broke every record with the 12 million. And the story behind it was they, and there's this great documentary, and we're going to talk

about a second, but they offer Stallone 10 million. And the agent goes, 10 million, he wouldn't even do it for 12. And they're like,

well, what about 12? And the agent's like, okay, fine, 12. So Stallone signs up for 12. Stallone said years later, Monach of Golan, kept offering me more

and more money until I finally thought, what the hell, no one will see it. Little did he know 37 years later, we'd be doing an hour and a half long podcast about it. Damn right. But the key to this is Golan and Globus, the producers. Goll and the Rexit.

So they made a documentary about these guys, which I asked you to watch. You can find it on Amazon. It is called Electric Buglew, the story of canon films or something like that. And what I didn't realize, because we'd seen them in these things, and we've talked about them in past rewatchables. We were like, was this an Israeli arms dealer? front, these weren't real people. Not only were these real people, Golan was the father of Israeli cinema,

and then, for whatever reason, moves into the 80s into softcore and action movies, and they just make so many movies over the 80s, so many movies that I had no idea they made. They made 31 movies in 1987. They made Last American Virgin, runaway train, barfly, street smart, those were the good ones.

They also made Bo Derek and Bolero. They made all the, Lady Chatterly Lovers movies. They did multi-part movie deals with Chuck Norris and Charles Bronson. So three Death Wish movies, three missing inactions. I can go on and on. But did you watch the documentary? I asked you to.

Did I watch it, Bill? I can give you the tagline for the Last American Virgin, which is see it or you'll be it. And I'm like, that's fucking witty as hell. I'm ready to do rewatchables on Lemon Popsicle. Anytime you're ready, we can do the Lemon Popsicle pod. It would be a great one. Bring Van on. I want to do it with him.

That movie is horny as hell. I love that doc. If you're listening and like Canon Films doesn't quite register for you, like a shitload of movies that you care about, like Van Dam movies and Stallone movies. And then they did the Dolph-Lingeryman movie. Yeah, all that stuff. Like cool action movies that matter in this batshit doc

that is required watching, I think now. Yeah, you don't see a lot of movie studios embrace a philosophy. And their philosophy was nudity and action. those are our sweet spots they made a I didn't remember this but they made a futuristic musical in 1980 called the Apple which was set in 2025 Tel Aviv

and they showed clips from it in documentary and it's out and out flat out insane they thought it was going to be their Tommy right he was trying to model it after like futuristic Tommy didn't work and then that just led to this crazy action softcore run they had and they definitely had a business model

and they were always borrowing money and always basically Ponzi scheming it, leading to over the top, where it's like, all right, we need, we have to get a bigger star than Chuck Norris, Charles Bronson, those guys are getting old, let's get slide,

they fund Cobra and get him to do over the top, which for some reason, Golan's like, you know what, this is so important, I'm going to direct this one. And even though it only directed like three movies. And the writer tells this great story about over the top,

whereas the credits roll and Lincoln Hawks holding up his son. He's like, and I was crying. I had tears coming out of my eyes. And the producer goes, aha, I got you. I got you. And he goes, I'm crying because I know my career is over. But he's full of shit. We like over the top, right? I'm still into it. That story really hurt by feelings. Same. You know what I learned? First of all, it's hilarious that made Superman for, which is one of the worst movies ever made. And you understand why I'm a firm thing. It was supposed to be 30 million, they ran out of money and they made it for like 15 million and they're just

cutting corners left and right. But what I realized when I watched that documentary, which I really loved, I would highly encourage people, if you like the rewatchables, I promise you'll like that movie. We need a 2024 version of these guys. Talk about it. Let's have somebody take back the soft core slash auction and just be like, I've done a five movie deal with Gerard Butler. And I've locked down Pam Anderson.

She's making a comeback. Like, those people should exist. I don't know why we don't have that anymore. This was so 80s. It's just everything about the 80s feels illegal and druggie. And just like every single idea is bad. I love that. I really missed it.

Even when you watch the doc, you're not actually watching the actual movies, but even in the dock, there's just so many boobs. It's just constant nudity. And that's undefeated. There's always a market for that. There's nudity and part of the doc is them explaining, them telling the actors why there has to be nudity in the scene, but it's like a sword fight scene outside and somebody's shirt gets ripped off.

It's like, I guess I'm going to have to keep fighting. With Faye Dunaway. She's whipping some lady who's naked and they're like, this is great. Keep going. Take three. It's an awesome documentary. Anyway, this movie, $25 billion budget. That includes the 12.

to Sly. And it made $16 million. So Golan Globus, yet again, this is one of the reasons they were eventually defunct. It came out in President's Day weekend, the same weekend as Manichin with Andrew McCarthy. Hell yeah. Which beat it in the theaters. They lost the mannequin with Andrew McCarthy. And Kim Cottrell. Bill, did you see over the top in the theater? Oh, who are you talking to? Of course I saw over the top of the theater. What do you remember? Pure joy. I loved it. It was great. Did you see mannequin in the theater?

Did not see mannequin theater. As a child of divorce, giant Stallone fan, always kind of liked arm wrestling. I remember they did a really good job of the marketing leading up to it. And I look for this on YouTube, I couldn't find it. But I remember watching an ESPN segment on Sports Center about it. Inside Sports, it was like kind of, it was after John Walsh had left, the magazine was falling apart. But they did a big spread on it. It's like, is arm wrestling the new craze?

Oh, cool. So it had some of that. It was like, first we had pro wrestling. Now here comes arm wrestling. And I was buying in. I was like, where's this going? And the answer was nowhere. Well, now we have Dana White lets people slap each other in the face without defending

themselves. So we have that. And that's always fun. Yeah, what's that called the CTE League? Yeah, I think that is what they call it. Slapp League. I don't watch it. It's not my thing.

As you know, I'll watch just about anything. And even I don't watch the Slap League. Yeah, but that that would be if they did this movie in 2020. 24 would be built around the slap league. Imagine Bull Hurley just winding up and slapping link across the face. He's just unconscious on the floor. There's no coming. You can't defend yourself.

That's the whole point. Or they're in the truck with his son and is he's just having a son just wail and hit him in the face over and over again to prepare for the tournament. Instead of the weightlifting thing is, yo, Mike, just hit me, hit me. Just whack me. Roger Ebert did not review this movie. Yeah, probably not. him and Ciskel did a whole

four minute thing that's on YouTube and they excoriate it thumbs down Yeah Hebert actually says One of the questions I had during this movie

Was why Stallone Didn't haul off And belt that kid The actual quote? Yeah Belt that kid And then he said I would have liked

this movie better If they'd forgotten about the wife And the son And the grandfather And Stallone And concentrated on the arm wrestling So basically he's like

Throwaway the first hour Yeah Um, Siskel says the kid is cloying, obnoxious, just not a good actor. It gets like 10. He's just getting annihilated on PBS. I think the kid is a pretty good actor. I think the character sucks. Yeah, it's poorly.

It does an okay job. And then, as that was enough, they came back for their worst of 1987 show. Oh, they do that. And then they double dipped and went back in on how bad over the top was. So, um, this was not a critically acclaimed movie. it was considered a bust by Stallone purposes. And yet, as so often happens with the rewatchables, started to make the rotation.

It started to show up on cable. Let's go. And then it just, and I know all the beats. And the key is when that Sammy Hagar song comes on, and it suddenly becomes one of the best movies of the 80s. When it takes it all. Yeah. Hey!

Oh, it's awesome. It's so good. I watch with broken eyes till it's time to take it all the way Yeah Yeah And if nobody's seen it Bill sent me the music video

Which is a San Diego music video With the movie clips in it And it's great Hagar's playing guitar barefoot With like the fans blowing on them It's a great watch And he ends up arm wrestling Stallone It's probably better than the movie

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What, 12 minutes in? He's at a diner. He's just picked up his kid from military school. The kid's a complete dick. Hey, let's go get some food. Just happens to be the place. All the arm wrestlers are hanging out for some reason. Gets challenged.

Bull is there. Or Bo, Bo, Boer. He's there just, I don't know, doing a podcast. Maybe he's preparing. for his live show that night. And just a lot of taunting. We get to see Slide do his thing. Does the hat turn.

Does the over the top... Where do you stand on the over-the-top move? I don't even want to do this later. I feel like we have to do this now. Was he the only person who did this? It seems high degree of difficulty. You're basically giving all your leverage away for two seconds. I couldn't have said it better.

I've always wondered this. As he's being pushed down and stopping the push down with his four fingers and thumb. For some reason, he takes two of his fingers and sacrifices that leverage, leverage, which doesn't make sense to me. I feel like that would be a death knell for you. Yeah, wouldn't they immediately just... Yeah, you're basically holding them up with your ring finger and your pinky then. You'd be totally screwed. I don't get it. Right. He's starting to do the over top and the person he's fighting is going, oh, he's doing it. I'm just going to bam him. Yeah, finish him. Yeah, that's it. For some reason, it's completely unstoppable. And then his kid does

it, and he even works on Bull Hurley. But the scene you're talking about is the first one. It's when we get to meet the Smasher, who I fucking, if Crystal Meth was a human being, it would be the Smasher. He looks exactly like exactly all that entails. And I also feel like that scene with the Smasher Bill has a little bit of

the, to me, the action is the juice. Like they went to the Smashers and like, you're going to do a scene of dialogue with Sylvester Stallone. That's fucking Rocky over there. Like, really bring it. And Smashers turned up to 50 out of 10 to that thing, just tweaking. And it always amuses me. Yeah, they might have not even given

him some cocaine. They might have given them all the cocaine. Just do another one, Smasher. Stick your face of this pile of cocaine and then we're going to film this scene. And his head goes, well, don't believe everything you're hearing. He goes, I don't. I don't believe it. I can take you. And I said, Jesus Smasher. Take it easy.

Well, we also have Hurley coming over after. You ain't got a prayer in Vegas. Right now, double or nothing. What do you say? He's just wait for Vegas. Come on, let's do it now.

I feel like kicking some ass. Let's wait until Vegas, okay? You ain't got a prayer in Vegas. We'll see. Too bad your old man's yellow, kid. I'll see you in Vegas. Get out of the one. Back on.

He says all of his lines, like he's being interviewed by Vince McMahon in the mid-80s. You ain't got a prayer in Vegas. Ted DiBiasey, you are you. in Virgil don't have a prayer at Somerslam. It's like that. In Hartford, Connecticut on July 28th, you're a dead man. All right, so that's one scene. I'm going to skip basically all the father-son scenes with these two.

Please do. I wouldn't think any of them are rewatchable. It's a little fun to watch the kid try to drive a truck when Celeste says, no, no, milkshake feels. But for the most part, pretty grim. Yeah, stuff. We have the kid just trying to escape and running, across the highway.

Yep. I don't know if you've seen there's a YouTube video and I was upset and only had 15,000 views. It's called Molester Stallone. No.

I hadn't seen it but I watched it when you sent it so you have seen it. It's an over-the-top remake of Slice Stallone basically has, it's a child abduction

movie thriller with Slice Stallone just with scenes cut from this and it's actually great work. I was upset at the number of views. Our next big scene though is Mike's big arm wrestling scene.

Yeah. Where he takes on, it's funny you said the Crystal Meth thing before because the kid that he arm wrestles, I wrote down was Crystal Meth Zappa. Crystal Met Johnny Lawrence. He's just got this spiked out hair. He looks zonked out.

He's on, it feels like he's on some sort of drug or he had too much soda. Not sure what. And Mike Hawk has no chance against this kid and somehow defeats him. Mike Hawk has zero chance. I have written down as that kid as The Hills Have Eyes Kid

who is just like a poster for being inbred. And like that, you just mentioned at the end. So first of all, they do a one out of, they do a best out of three. Mike Hawk gets destroyed

in the first one. And then like there's this cockamamie thing where Stallone gives him a speech about believing in himself and then suddenly he can beat him twice in a row. Like this isn't boxing. It's just pure strength against strength. He would get destroyed every single time by that kid.

I think it's the third time the kid cries in the movie. and we're like a half hour in, maybe less. It's too bad he didn't get hit by a car when he ran across the freeway. I bet Lincoln was hoping he would. It's a better movie. He loses the first fall out of three.

He starts crying and runs out. Stallone chases him. And the kid goes, All you wanted to do is embarrass me. Well, you did it. It was said you were a loser. Now you're trying to make me. What's the response to that?

Slap. It was the 80s. It's the 80s. At least like a hard finger point to the chief. chin to the cheek. Well, like, kind of like try to paralyze his face a little bit,

but it's some sort of contact. I think at very, very least you do the elbow grab, that firm elbow grab that, you know, too firm. Yeah. And then get your ass back in there.

And by the way, that kid's never going back in there. I don't know how he is, 12. No 12-year-old in tears who just got destroyed on the arcade machine is going back in. He's not doing it.

I think I agree with you, but you're underrating Slice's motivational speech. I think maybe I am. Do tell. Mike, I don't care what your grandfather thinks about me, okay? All I care about is you. Right. Now, you lost back there because you beat yourself.

You told yourself you could have win. You're my boy. Now, go back there and win. I know you can do it. You're a special kid. You're my boy. Do you understand? But you're also a spoiled, rich brat

who's always had everything done for him. Now it's time to do for yourself, Mike. And you can do it. Because I'm telling you, the world. Meets nobody halfway. Do you understand what that means? If you wanted, Mike, you got to take it. Do you hear me?

You got to take it. That was the speech. It's good speech. Now you understand why he went back in. You're my boy. You're my boy, Blue. But I lost because you chose an older kid who's already on drugs and is stronger than me. He has nothing to do with anything that was said.

This kid's terrified? Yeah, he's going to rob us after this best two out of three? Yes. I think he was going to add a different part of the speech. He was going to say, like, you can change the results. And if you can change, I can change. And everybody can change. It's like, you know, nobody meets you halfway, especially in arm wrestling,

because you got to push it all the way. All the way, not halfway. Well, Mike comes back and wins. Big win for Mike Hawk. I'm going to say losing to this kid who just cried after the first fall and had his dad there and you have your friends there and you're just playing video games and then you end up choking and losing best 203 and losing money.

Is that worse than the 28 to 3 Falcons lost in the Super ball or is it right there? And did the kid put himself in the ring of honor right afterwards? Well, he can't because unless he owns the team of that arcade, unless he owns that arcade. He owns the arcade. He puts himself up. I do think it's worse because the Falcons were going against the greatest quarterback ever

and they were going against Mike Hawk. It's one of the all-time sports. sports chokes, though. It really is. 28 to 3. I think Nick Anderson at the free throw line. I think Hillary Clinton. The full-on-blown leads, it's an Alzheimer.

The kid's trained for two days. He has no muscle tone at all. Somehow it takes it. Next scene. I just wrote down, Hawk shows up to Grandpa's mansion to get his kid. Grandpa played by the one, the only, the indispensable Robert Lozier.

Robert Lozier. Just an incredible run for him. This is over the top at 87, big in 88 on the big piano, and then Mancuso FBI, whatever that show was called in 1989. What is your number one like Loja performance for you personally, Bill?

First of all, thank you for asking. Sure. I really appreciate that. Probably big on the piano. That would be number one. Scarface, as Frank, would be number two. And then, of course,

Byron Mayo and the officer and gentleman movie that we've been talking about ever since. We just see him. Basically, having a threesome with his son. I also really liked him

in a movie that was an HBO movie in 1987 about the Chicago 7. Okay. He, I think he played the lawyer, but he was great in it. So this is, we're in like peak loggia time.

He's also in Jagged Edge. He's good in that. Yeah. 80s were like his, his sweet spot. Yeah. What about you? What's your,

favorite. You know, I'm actually going to zag on this. I love him in necessary roughness. He's one of the football coaches with Hethra Elizondo. And then in my weird off the beaten path one is there's an early 90s Dana Carvey movie called Career Opportunities, where Dana Carvey's a con man and Loja is the girl's father. And it was like, we're going to try to make Dana Carvey a movie star. And Loja was in it. It was perfect Loja performance. So I love that one, too. He kind of was in that Jack Warden. And I felt like Jack Warden, I think was probably a slightly better or more respected actor. So he would get like the heaven can weigh parts and stuff like that.

And Loja was kind of working the scenes. But, you know, Scarface was a really important character for him because otherwise he's just different versions of Loja. In this one, he's on autopilot. He's clearly like, yeah, it's a four-day shoot. Everybody is. Can you wire me the money? I don't take checks or all cash, one or the other.

I'm just going to come in. I'll yell it still alone a couple times and I'll be done. Anyway, Lincoln Hawk shows up in his truck. to Grandpa's mansion to get the kid back because the kid has left. They don't let him in. He decides to run over the gate of the mansion and then takes out a couple of those

concrete statue things and drives right to the front. I would say what? He causes a million dollars of damage, like 900,000 dollars of damage. Yeah. On a large property. My take on the scene,

I think it's a direct rip-off of the Terminator in 84. It's basically just, I'll be back. and he drive and then he goes by and drives the car with the police station. Schwarzenegger's in his head at this point. Big time. This is a few years later and Arnold's blowing up and he's like, I need an I'll be back moment.

I'm surprised I didn't even say I'll be back, but it's the same scene basically. Good call. Five cops arrest them. And I don't know, for some reason it's kind of fun. I like that they went for it. Okay. Well, so we only had three rewatchable scenes in the first hour of the movie. And then dare I say the last 35 minutes, I don't even know what to not say was rewatchable.

but winner takes it all. Sammy Hagar, the moment the tournament starts, it's the perfect song. It's in the running for best sports montage ever. Get into it. Let's go. For movies. It's a heavy hitters.

Teen Wolf. Yeah. Win in the end. I'm going to win in the end. We did that one together. Love the great jam. That was my first rewatchable as ever was Teen Wolf. So I had a soft spot for that.

Karate Kid. You're the best. Around! No one's ever gonna take you down. Joe Esposito. Rocky 4, I know you're partial to the training sequence. Yes. The best.

The opening of Rocky 3, which I think gets lost in this conversation with the eye of the tiger montage. And Clubberlango and somehow having the resources to go to 20 Rocky fights all over the world, even though he's fighting in some gym in L.A. but I think that's the big four with winner takes at all. Is there one that you would add other than that? You know, I might throw some love to another canon films. Bloodsport, the kumatee is really fantastic. Oh, great call.

Great call. I have it in what age is the best. Just tournaments and sports movies are always great. The question is like, has there ever been a bad tournament in sequence in sports movies? I don't really know. I can't think of one. It's perfect. Yeah, the kumete, even though that song's not great,

but you're meeting a lot of characters, you're seeing a lot of quick knockouts or finishes. If I had to pick, though, if you had to pick one out of all of those, when in the end has some flaws, like Michael J. Fox makes the same layup, I think, four times. Yeah. And I don't count the Rocky Four

because it's not a tournament, really. I think it's karate kid. It's so fun to watch. And there's high school kids. One of them just died just a few weeks ago. Yeah, Chad McQueen. Yeah. So I still, LeVar from Revenge of the Nerds is in there.

Like, there's all kinds of fun things. I like that one. Still don't know how Dutch beat him. I don't know either. They wouldn't even really show it. They were just like, point, match. Controversial. Wait, what happened?

All right. Anyway, winner takes it all his way up there. So this goes from this weird divorce arm wrestling truck movie to all of the sudden, one of the best sports movie montages we've ever had. There's good interview montages. Oh, yeah. We get the semifinal. intro montage where we get quotes like

when I get to that table, that person, I don't care who they are. They're my mortal enemy. I hate them. That's one. Lincoln Hawk goes, what I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around

and it's like a switch that goes on. I don't know. I feel like a truck. I feel like a machine. Harry Bosco. Yep. My whole body is an engine. And this.

It's a fire plug. Harry Bosco, the face of Alka-Seltzer, right? Yeah. And then I'm going to light them up. And then we get Hurley going, I drive trucks, break arms and arm wrestle. It's what I love to do. It's what I do best. Being number one is everything, there is no second place.

Second sucks. Really good advice, honestly. So that on a pillow. Second sucks. I don't want to step on life lesson, Bill, but second sucks is concise as hell. Yeah. how they film it. It's a little ahead of its time, documentary style.

It's a documentary that I don't even know who the documentary is for. And it's out of nowhere. All of a sudden, they're sitting there looking off camera and sitting doing these formal interviews, and it really is pleasing to the eye. You didn't even need that in the tournament would have been cool, but it really is cool that somebody came up with that. I love that part.

I mean, the arm wrestling tournament probably could have been 20 minutes more. Bull Hurley says, that's my area. He's got no shit in business there. I've never even heard the word shit used in that, context ever. But it works for me. It's all goal at that point. And there's this whole world we're going in where it's like double elimination. That's how you get knocked out. If your hands slip apart,

they bring in the strap. The strap just seems super dangerous. You could have your elbow snapped. We actually see a guy get his elbow snapped, which apparently actually happened. By the way, I have elbow snap guy in contention for Dionne Waiters. I fucking love that moment. The fact that they left that in there, that poor guy got his arm broken. broken and half. You probably should take that out, Cannon. Right. And he's like, he's looking at it. It's like, ah!

It's like three seconds later. What was it? Like a dislocated elbow? Yes. I dislocated my elbow. The last time I ever carried a football in my life was ended with an elbow dislocation. It is a searing 10 out of 10 pain. It's horrible. Horrible. Even hurting your funny bones seems awful. That seems like a hundred times worse.

We have a Another scene when he goes up into the presidential suite at the Hilton. Sure. To go see Robert Logia. And Terry Funk is there as this henchman preparing his henchman chops for a roadhouse two years later. And ends up throwing Terry Funk right through the glass doors after he tells Robert Loggia to stick his check. I'm going to come back from my son. throws Funk through the doors.

We're right into a rematch with John Grizzly from coming out of the Hilton. sweet. We're fighting again. One thing I forgot to mention that I like with this movie is that we do see him lose once. Yeah. It's a little Rocky 3-ish where he loses the clubber and it's like, oh, we're doing this. I didn't realize he said, and Bob Beatty's going, it is a double elimination. You have to lose twice. Double elimination. Again, it's a double elimination. You're saying it over and over against him. We got to get into this now because I counted. He fucking says it five times. And it's not only that he says it's a double limitation he goes remember it's a double elimination

which means if you lose once you can still continue in the tournament did everyone get that even after he goes to the presidential suite they've already hit it four times they hit it again to remind the audience it's unbelievable golin or globus or golin and globus are like

could you make sure there's a double elimination just that the audience understands like it's like the test audiences are like we don't understand so I lost also unanswerable question if it's a double elimination elimination, shouldn't Bull Hurley get to go again? I had that later. Come on. Now, it's...

Is that your hottest take? I'm sorry, do I step on it? We were there. No, I had that in nipicks. It's a double elimination. Yeah. But we get to the finals. We don't have Bob Bioti, whatever his name is, coming and be like, it is no longer a double elimination. It's a single elimination from this point on. Which means if you lose once, you are now out, as opposed to the prior form, which was double elimination. We actually kind of needed him to say that because he beats him. and it's like, all right, you should have had to beat him twice.

You just told us it was double elimination. He says it five times. All we needed was once on the single. And by the way, Bull Hurley hasn't lost a single match in five years. Don't you think you get the benefit of maybe it's double elimination? He's the only guy who lost once and was out. Totally. Well, he takes out, throws funk through the glass doors, beats Grizzly, takes out Mad Dog Madison.

Yeah. He's coming in as a 20-to-one underdog. Now he's in the semis leading to the next rewatchable scene. the controversial Harry Bosco match. Oh, let's go. Get into this. Not sure what happened here. There's a lot of chicanery leading up to the guys getting locked in together, and then they can't.

And then all of a sudden he just like gets him immediately, and Bosco's like, I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. I'm not sure what happened with that one. Why they played it that way. There's a lot of talk about your shoulders have to be square, and there's complaining about the thumbs. And Bosco is a veteran arm wrestler at this point.

I have a take on that that's it's it's it's a little it's a little edgy that I hate that they were the one officiating controversy in the arm wrestling seems to be the one black guy in the whole tournament and he was the one who got screwed there is an official who is a person of color nearby so thank god but otherwise that's a bad optic I didn't like that yeah I mean he's let's be honest he's the only black guy in the entire movie yes yes yeah we could just say now the van lathan award for did this movie need more black people the answer was yes for over the top. I think Harry Bosco was the only black person in it. And then, uh, the finals. The strap is a great gimmick. Awesome. I don't really understand anything about arm wrestling,

but I know that once the strap is in, this seems really dangerous for both sides. I'm gonna be put on. You're shit an arm off, boy. If you mind that, I own you. I don't know how that then leads to him being able to do the over the top with the strap, but he gives them the bloody nose just hits him in the face. Yeah. He just keeps saying, I own you.

I own you. He's got no other lines. He's just like, I own you. See, I feel like you disrespect him. He also says, get in here.

He sounds like, for a mortal combat, he sounds like scorpion. And I like him when he calls him, Little man. Yeah. Bull's great.

I fucking love Bull. So I always thought for years that it was the same guy that Snake Pliskin fights and escape from New York in the jail when they have the... And it's actually two different people. That was Ox Baker. This guy's name was Rick Zumwalt. Yeah, but Zumwalt, I looked it up too. He fights Sean Connery in the Presidio. That's like one of his other more notable roles.

But he's Bull Hurley. He passed away like 20 years ago, but he's Bull Hurley. The other thing here is Stallone. And I don't know where it ranks for you, but he gets... He had that weird kind of stroke side of his mouth and he does this in cliffhanger. He does it. There's the Rockies where. So he's doing with the.

And I think this is the most he does this in a movie, right? Yeah. Is it cliffhanger? Maybe the other one because he's hanging on mountains and stuff. I think the reason we get it so much is he knows how hard he has to sell how fucking boring arm wrestling is. And so he's doing some huge face acting because this ain't a boxing match.

He's not climbing a mountain. It's a two-second thing where he pushes someone arms down. So he's face acting like crazy. And he's always had that thing out of the side of his mouth, which is like this bizarre. He even mentioned when they went to do the Rocky movie, the one with Mason Dixon, the line. The kid who plays his son, Milo Ventimilia,

was cast in part because he yells out of the side of his mouth, which is a weird thing to do. But he does it for the whole movie here. what's your most rewatchable scene it's it's listen to me I would sooner turn off the copa scene

in Goodfellas than I would turn off the tournament in over the top I would I would turn off the beach scene and saving private Ryan I'm not turning off

the tournament nonstop last 30 minutes I'm great Sammy Hagar is the key for me too damn right today's most rewatchable scene

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It's on Paramount Plus. Plans start at $7.99 a month, start streaming now. Okay, new category. What's the most 1987 thing about this movie? I will give you the following choices. Arm wrestling as a potential hot fad. Sammy Hagar and his prime. Yeah.

Bob Beatty. Beatti? Bob Beatty? Mm-hmm. Bob Beatty? TWA? Oh, that's a great call. or the soundtrack

which was released in 1987 contains music from Frank Stallone Kenny Loggins Eddie Money and Sammy Hagar What is the most 1987 thing about this movie Well of the choices It's the soundtrack

But my off the board answer Is there's a brief shot At the tournament where Stallone is working out on a solo flex machine That kills me Because solo flex if you used to watch TV every other commercial at night

between American gladiators and ESPN and everything would be solo flex commercials. Hey, by you guys. My dog is in here now, too, and my daughter. Get out of here, clear out of here. Go on.

We're talking about solo flex. You don't know what that is. So I had a solo flex in the late 80s. You had one? I had one and I used to use it and I think it gave me a variety of physical ailments. They were like basically

no instructions how to use it. Yeah. Yeah, you really had to be careful with it. My dad had something called a Nordic Flex gold, which was like the Genesis, the Solo Flex's Nintendo. I think we had that too. Yeah, you had it too. Yeah. The might also had that. Nobody went to the gym really for this stuff until the mid,

kind of early mid-90s. No, you had the machine at home. There was a whole home equipment thing that was going on. Yeah, and it was bad because sometimes like husbands would get it for their wives and stuff. One of my friends' dad used to always get his wife like a Nordic flex. You can't get that for your wife, dude. But Sly hits it really quickly, the solo flex. That's hilarious. That's definitely the answer. That's even, even better than TWA. What's age the best? Betting on yourself. Lincoln Hawk goes in. He takes $7,000 for his truck, puts all of it on 21 odds on Lincoln Hawk, which is something that we've seen now boxers and UFC people, they'll go to casinos. Floyd Mayweather used to do this.

This exchange for what's age the best. You know, if you're hungry, there's a great place up here for good steak. Would you say we stop? The son responds, sir, you're going to be the victim of cholesterol poisoning. Later in life, you'll just start to rot away. And sly response, you're just full of giz humor, aren't you, Mike? Incredible. No wonder the writer was crying after the movie. Yeah, his career's over. Terrible. Yeah, he probably knew right then. What else do you have for what stage is the best? I have a bunch. We already talked about tournaments. I just think, I think Bull Hurley is awesome in this movie. I think the casting of him, this random guy who's massive, who looks the part.

And I always compare it, Bill, like, we, sly found Drago, right? He finds Dolph Lundgren and makes this permanent, all-time, amazing villain. And this is sort of a follow-up. My problem with Bull Hurley, I think we needed more of Bull.

I think we had one quick scene where he's just sort of a dick. Like a backstory. Yeah. We needed a backstory. And I think he needed to be more evil. And I have, like, Dolph Lengren, like, Drago kills Rocky's best friend

and then says, I don't give a shit if he dies. I think we needed him to be more evil and my idea would be that he slaps the kid and the kid mouse off on him and then Bull Hurley back hands him and then like Sly tries to fight him

and everything. Now you hate Bull Hurley. Right now it's just this like big fat truck driver who likes arm wrestling and talks shit to Lincoln. I think they needed to vilify him more. Or maybe he's working for the grandfather. Oh, he's working for Loja. When he goes up to the suite in the Hilton, the presidential suite,

Borougholi's up there. Interesting. You know what? Because I think that Loja bet like a million dollars on Bull Hurley to win the tournament. Like he's there, he's rich. She's like, just bet it on the favorite. I'll double my money. Because when they show him after Bull Hurley loses, he's really pissed.

And I don't think it's just about Lincoln. Yeah, you're right. See, these are two scenes we needed over two phone calls from the dying mom. That's right. Are you getting along with Sly? What stage the best? Evil Robert Lozsche. Yeah, he's great.

What stage the best? The Sammy Hagar video I sent to you, as well as the words in the opening credits, a Goll and Globus production. You just know you're headed for some sort of road. Buckle up, baby. Yeah, buckle up. So there's an S&L sketch from the mid-90s, which I'll tweet from the rewatchable Twitter account tonight.

Sly is hosting, and Norm MacDonald gets in a car accident. I know the sketch. And Sly goes to help him as a good Samaritan. and Norm just starts ragging on his movies and starts making fun of over the top. It's hilarious. It's really good. He's making fun of Judge Dread over the top,

all his bad movies. He takes shots at Cobra's. And he even says, like, you know what, Kramer? This is Kramer was missing. Arm wrestling. Stallone just has to kind of back him up. It's a great sketch.

You got to tweet that because I've been looking for that. Yeah, I'll find. I have it. I found it. Okay. The opening song in this movie, which didn't get enough acclaim, in my opinion,

take it higher than a na na na na na na na na na na na take it all the wire it was by a guy named Larry Green who never really made it not a great name Larry yeah he meant it he should have called himself like Larry Rocket

or some sort of more idiotous name but I always thought that song was solid I liked it more than meet me halfway that was kind of like for Loggins for Loggins movie purposes that's not on the Mount Rushmore all right so you brought it up I'll add Lib Loggins Mount Rushmore in the 80s.

All right. So you got Holiday Road is on there from vacation. You got probably It's All right from Caddyshack. Like that's pretty iconic. No, that has to be on there. Okay. And then I think you got two. Danger Zone.

I think Danger Zone one. And I think playing with the boys also from Top Gun is two. I love that thing for the volleyball scene. Well, how's footloose not on there? It's almost like a five song Mount Rushmore. Regardless. Okay. Yeah, Footless got to be on.

Meet me halfway. It's not on there. No, that song is kind of annoying. It actually sucks, and they play it 20 times in the movie. And then they do the instrumental when they're trying to do transitions. Yeah. Yeah, but like getting Loggins in the movie was so big. Like, he was the hitmaker then.

So it was like Sly and Loggins, like, were the top two billions. But the song is, he's done better. Stallone played characters named Marion Cabretti and Lincoln Hawk in back-to-back movies. This was just peak Stallone, like, that name's not excited. enough, can you make me a list of 20 other names and I'll pick one? And they're like, how about Lincoln Hawk? He's like, yeah, that's good. I like it. Yeah, like the president and

like a bird. What I like is you could flip the name and he could be Hawk Lincoln and that would be cool too. What's age the best? The double elimination reminders in the strap. We mentioned those. John Grizzly, the beard guy. Yeah. Another great kind of wildcard performance by him. Great.

Stallone's So Mush and Grunt Screens we talked about So do you want to do anything else on the Lincoln forearm press machine? Or like where do you get it? Is it homemade? Well, it occurs to me that if you're doing that mile after mile, don't you have a wildly lopsided physique? Like isn't your your left arm like totally underprepared and like subject to injury? Like when I was a kid, I thought that was the coolest thing in the movie. And like I wanted to get that. Like when this phone, when this movie came out, it was cool to have a car phone.

Like that was considered like the coolest thing. but I thought that shoulder pull-down thing was badass. I loved it. It would make sense that the right arm would be kind of completely out of portion on the left time. All right, here's a wood stage the best. Yeah. This is just me. It's a personal thing.

Go on. Whenever people show up midway through a funeral, the funeral is already a half hour in, and they drop off flowers and look at the grave or the coffin, and they just walk off. Like, what a heat check? Have you ever been in a funeral? funeral ever where somebody did that? Nobody's ever done that in a real funeral ever. It's a great call. And it's not even at the church. It's fucking gravesty in the cemetery.

There's an etiquette there. You don't walk in, drop flowers and leave without even speaking. I don't care what kind of a pariah you are. That is a purely a movie invention. It's a great call. Every time it happens, I laugh my ass off. It's just, I remember Luke Perry's last note to an episode, his wife dies and he goes to the funeral. Same thing. He just shows up halfway through, put something on there and just kind of walks off. The funeral's still going. The only time of worse is, your husband. Kenny Powers walks in playing candlebox on a boom box. When he says he would be Goose because Goose dies in that movie, that's the only time I love it with the Candlebox song.

I have one age the best. Yeah. Like you, Bill, I was raised with divorced parents. seeing your dad do cool things is so magical when you're a little kid, especially if they're physical things. Like when he sees his dad beat the smasher in that arm wrestling competition, he's trying to play it cool, but there's nothing like it,

especially like I live most of the time with my mom. And like if I went to my dad and like I would see him do something cool, even if it's like fix something or anything. Like that is so enchanting as a kid. I loved it. Great call. The competitor's elbow breaks. Yeah.

he was a German national championship champion because they were filming in actual wrestling tournament during the filming of the movie. His name was Michael Boschew. It was a real and unplanned elbow break. And I don't know, I guess everybody must have signed beforehand. You can use my likeness. This poor guy, his broken elbows

for the rest of time on Pluto and Tubi. By the way, two places you can find this movie right now. And then, so it took me maybe 70 viewings to see this, but they have that ending. The camera kind of pans back on a faraway shot where Hawk takes his son finally. And Loja is there, and it's like they're, I guess they're on good terms.

You can see Lozia in the scene. I've never seen this. Yeah. Yeah, so it's kind of like, I guess they're okay. Is like when Johnny, like, brings LaRuso the trophy at the end and says, you're all right? Yeah, it's a little bit like that, but it's like they must have cut it because the dialogue was in a great or something.

But anyway. I didn't know. All right. Some quick ones. Well, the last time you're on here, you came up with the new category, the Fortune 3 Clap Award for most giffable moment. It's got to be Stallone flipping the cap around, right?

Yeah. I've seen it all the time. I used it today in the rewatchables account. It's great. It's just for his match against the smasher in the bar when he turns it around. And it's just any time, it's like go time to do something.

You know, you got to go, even to do something with the kids, set your fantasy lineup, whatever, turn the hat around. It's a perfect gift. Great Shock Order Award for most cinnamon. shot.

I wouldn't, I mean, this was directed by Monacham Golan, a producer from another country. I'm not sure if there was a lot

of cinematic shots, but the ending wide shot, I guess is okay. I've never said this for, I think, any category in any episode. I don't have one.

I don't have a great shot, Cordo. That might be the right answer. Denna Thieves, Benny Hahn Award, scene stealing location, the tournament? I think it's the Vegas

Hilton. They could have faked Vegas and they did a lot of they didn't. They went all out. Yeah. The kid Cutty Pursuit of Happiness or our best needle drop is obviously winner takes it all by

Winter takes all as the tournament kicks off. It's awesome. Little backstory. What he got? John Whetton, the lead singer of Asia. What about him? Asia's had a lot of hits. Sure. Right?

Heat of the moment. Yeah. So he did Winner Takes It All and they decided his voice just wasn't like kind of agro enough and they re-recorded it with Sammy Hagar and the rest of, history. So the song existed. The lead singer of Asia, a yacht rock Mount Rushmore band, just pushed to the side for our guy Sammy Hagar. Bill, this is called doing the work on your part of that fact. I did a lot of research on this. You got to do the work. Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. What do you got? I think it's an annoyingly hypothetical one.

I wanted to see that steak that Lincoln wanted. I had that too. I think it was a T-bone. I think it was huge. And the little kid wanted tuna on whole wheat. So we didn't even see it. And we didn't even see it and it still is the big Kahuna Burger way. The hypothetical steak, I like it. Butch's girlfriend Award, the weak link of the film. It's the hospital scenes with the mom. I have no idea why they did it this way.

They're two of the worst scenes in any Stallone movie ever. The actress isn't good. She's just like... Who is that lady? Susan Blakely. Yeah, she was around. She was in a bunch of TV stuff, 70s, 80s. She's just on the phone, hey, honey, are you doing all right?

I can't believe they did that. So they spend the whole movie talking about what happened with Lincoln and the kids and the family and why he left. And they never reveal what happened, which is not how storytelling works. You're supposed to have a scene towards the end of the movie where he reveals that he killed a man or that like he was serious. He hit Michael or he did something terrible. All it ever is is these hush tones about, I made a mistake. I won't do it again. Even the mom says he had his reasons.

you have to tell the audience why he abandoned his son for 10 years when the whole movie is about father and son. And they never do. It's preposterous. Well, he kind of does it during the presidential suite scene. What does he say? He says to Loja, he's like, you would tear us apart. So it's like, so you left because your dad, your father-in-law was annoying?

Yeah. So you just abandon your family for 10 years? Need a little more. You're trying to get us to buy into this father's son story. I'm completely lost of what the biggest part of the back story is. They did no payoff. very strange. I'm glad you brought it up. I had it in Woodsage the worst. I just don't understand. They just kind of yada yada. This guy ditched his family for 10 years and the reasons where he didn't

really like his father-in-law that much. It's like not an awesome reason. It's like he wrote some letters. I wrote you letters. There's a lot of people who hate their father-in-laws. Like you don't just leave. And also like this is not 1935. You can call as well. You don't have to just write letters. There's telephones in the 80s. It's just letters. That's it. It's terrible. also he's still calling her his wife like he goes to hospital like I'm here to see my wife

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three of the Losia henchmen try to kidnap the sun and it's just ridiculous. I can't believe it's in the movie. and Stallone saves them, he uses his truck, and I just don't understand why that had to happen. I feel like they needed a little action,

and then we need Slice Sloan punching some people. Let's crowbar some bullshit in there. We try to abduct him, and we have a brief chase scene. It reminds me a little bit of when Lester Diamond gets beat up by Sam Rothstein's guys in the parking lot outside of the diner, but they just take them and there's a brief chase scene. It seems very forced.

Terrible. You mentioned Stallone. acting in this movie and how autopilot it is. He doesn't do anything. Even his confessionals are bad, and that should have been like the easiest part. You're right. Tell you the truth, the truck, you know, the most important for me, I don't, it doesn't matter if I become the champion.

I need the truck. Sly, we're paying you $12 million. Just give us something here. I'm not expecting the best. You got nominated for Best Doctor, Actor, and Rocky. you can't do one more take. He's just cashed in the money. What's age is the best bill is you referring to those scenes as the confessional scenes

in full real world parlance. That's true. Yeah, I was doing that just for you. There's in the credits music by Giorgio Maroder, who is the guy who did like officer and a gentleman and like some awesome scores. And it's like, where was Giorgio in this? They just funneling money from him.

Yeah. Or they went with Loggins, whatever. That's all I got. God, do you have any other one stage the worst? We've covered a lot of it. Yeah, I have one weird one, one irreverent one. Are you, when you rewatched it, why are they constantly going back and forth be calling him hawk and hawks?

What is this? Half the characters call him hawks and address him as hawks, and then the rest of the time he's hawk. And even when the kid finds the letters to his mom, which Lincoln wrote, the last name is hawks. So I get that there's some continuity of things in movies like this. You can't keep changing what the main. character's name is.

It's really strange. Lincoln Hawks. And then sometimes they're like, hey, hawks sit down. And then there are times they'll be like, you hawks? It makes no sense. So do you think there was a scene where he changed his last name? I think in the middle of shooting, they're like, no, let's make it hawk instead of

hawks. That's closer. Hawk sounds cooler. Half the movie, they call him hawks. Like, Bill, if you just started potting one day is like, yeah, this is Bill Simmons. And I'm just here. And you're like, what the fuck? it's Simmons. They're Simmons. It is so distracting.

And you can watch this over and over. They keep calling them the different name. The other age, the worst. Bill, when's the last time you've splashed on some brute cologne? It's been a while for me. And their slogan on the side of the truck, smells like a man. That should have been in the most 1987 thing about this movie. Brute Cologne and Solar Flex in TWA. You're right. There were pistols being drawn between Brut Cologne and Skin Bracer. and I went the route of Dracar noir, but the brute cologne smells like a man. You just wouldn't see that these days.

The Ruffalo, Hannah Rubeneck Partridge, overacting word. Logia has a couple. There's always a way to bend the law. Is that your job? There's a couple of those. He's probably the winner, unless you want to give it to Rick Zumwelt

for Bull Hurley. Get in here. No, it's Loja on the stairs, too. Like, yeah, he's obviously really pissed. A truck just drafted through his fucking house. But he's, Damn you. Damn you.

It's loja. And that's why he's there. Was there a better title for this movie? I don't think so. It's come to have a great second meaning because it's so excessive and over the top symbolically and everything that it does. It's a great title. Also, that's his move. They say in the movie, it checks a lot of boxes.

The Kenny Diggett award for most memorable quote has to be the world meets nobody halfway. Remember that. Yeah. It just occurred to me, Bill, that you and I both were so confused by the, over the top maneuver. Arm wrestling Twitter and arm wrestling Reddit is going to have like such a field day with that.

Like, no, they don't understand that the fingers here. I don't understand. Neither one of us get how moving the fingers works. Don't get mad at us. We don't understand. We're not even casual arm wrestling fans. My arm wrestling knowledge is from this movie. Yeah. And I haven't personally arm wrestled I think since like maybe sixth grade.

So I don't know anything about it. Very fair. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison for the hottest take award. You go first. all right this one's pretty easy for me um Lincoln hawk is definitely the villain in this movie like without a doubt he if you look at it through this perspective this person who totally abandoned his wife and son

has clearly been to jail multiple times based on how relaxed he is in jail he's asked by the kid point blank if he's still dealing drugs which he doesn't deny I personally think that he's on drugs for like the entire movie He's ridiculously shredded for a truck driver. He recovers from injury immediately after getting injured in the tournament. Also, this guy plays on the sickness of a dying woman to get her and to manipulate her, to give custody of the son. I think the loja is right.

You're a deserter, plain and simple. Loja's raised this kid, paid everything. He loves this kid. And this jerk-off drug dealer, absentee father tries to take him. I think he's the villain, and I see it that way. Incredible take. I was trying to think of like a word because Johnny Lawrence ended up being like this too, which was about,

Cobra Kai was about like he's the villain, but he's actually not the villain. He was actually maybe the opposite of the villain. It's maybe upon, it's some word with villain in it. Like, I don't know. There's some word. Somebody's got to come up with it. It's not hero. It's not villain, but it's.

I don't know what it is. I know that nobody crashes a semi-truck into a house unless you're on some kind of narcotics. Like that's not something that someone who's not. on drugs does. I think he's I think he's nuts and I think that's like macho and karate kid. Yeah. Yeah. First of all, stay out of Johnny and now he's relationship. Yes. Maybe don't punch

somebody during soccer practice. Maybe don't do the skeleton the prank in the bathroom. Like you had a lot of this coming to you, dickhead. Definitely. He has a quick trigger with that punch at soccer. What is that? What's your hottest take? You got one? I do.

Are we sure this actually wasn't a really, really good elite little kid movie performance. Get into this. Go on. Let's go. The kid's supposed to be an asshole rich kid. He nails it.

You're supposed to hate this kid. Well, mission accomplished. That's how the thing's written. He's great. Cries on command multiple times. Pulls off the arm wrestling thing against Crystal Mazzappa. Cries seven times, convincingly.

Breaks out of the mansion, drives a car to the airport. doesn't have a nav system or ways. Like just figures out how to get there. He dumps the car in front, figures out how he gets on the plane, buy a ticket, figures out how to sneak out of the plane, ride through the cargo, get out of there,

get to Vegas, right? Figures out where the Hilton is, somehow brought enough cash with him. Like he checked every box, the kid's 12, gets in the tournament, everyone's looking for him, still figures out a way to support his dad for the semifinals. I don't know, man. Maybe we need to reevaluate this.

I think it's... Might have been a good son. Maybe so. I think it's Haley Joel in Sixth Sense. I think it's Anna Pack on the piano. And this kid... Dakota Fanning and Man on Fire and David Mendenhall and over the top. I think this kid is a really good actor.

I think he gets a bad rap. I tried to find some other Mendenhall for the pod. And you know what I stumbled across? Shortly after this, he was in an episode of different strokes. and he's the little kid in school who's selling drugs. So like Arnold meets him for like a drug meetup. And I watched the scene, very good in the scene, very good. I think he's good actor.

I'll take you one further. He was in general hospital for years back when I was watching the first part of the 80s. So when he was over the top, it was like, oh, the general hospital kid, he's good actor. Yeah, never really worked out. But could he have been Will Whitten's character and toy soldiers? I think he could have. Could he have been a mafioso? Maybe.

It always comes back to Will Wheaton's accent, earring, and rabbit punchers and toy soldiers. Every pod leads to that. It's a good call, dude. Casting What Ifs. Don Johnson, my guy, was the first choice for Lincoln Hawk before they decided to overpaste the loan. It's an interesting movie. I don't know if I'm buying Skinny Don Johnson as an arm wrestler. Yeah, or a truck driver.

Or a truck driver. Drop dead, handsome jacked truck driver. I don't know. No. Rick Zumwalt was the studio's third choice for Stallone's rival. There was some arm wrestling champ, Cleve Dean. And they decided he was too big. And then they tried to get Ox Baker, ironically.

And then Rick Zumwalt, who has paid $10,000 to shave his head, and he never grew up back. Best that guy award. I'm going to make the case for Harry Bosco. Oh, really? Wait, what is that case? He's another stuff? I don't know him. I know him from this.

he's in IMDB and you'll know it after I say it. Go on. Referee number three in Karate Kid. He's one of the refs in the tournament? He's one of the refs in the tournament. He's not the final ref, but he's one of the refs. He also, for the Cheers fans out there,

the greatest sitcom of all time, he has a really important Cheers episode where he plays Lewis the Mailman. Cliffs getting bullied at work by the, or getting bullied at the bar. Yeah. And he decides to bring Lewis the Mailman. mailman with him as like protection to beat this guy up and then Lewis figures out why and he ends up

getting mad at Cliff and leaving. There was like my bodyguard mailman version. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. But Cheers at that point was being watched by 20 million people. So Karate Kid and Cheers. Also, his name is Sam Scarber. Two years in the NFL played running back for the Chargers, two touchdowns. That guy's a running back? He's huge. CFL for a couple years. There's a CFL tops car to him in 1972. So That's all, and then he's Harry Bosco, that's a pretty good that guy case. I'm impressed. Never do his name. Sam Scarber.

I would only submit, too, really. I want to big, big ups to Dan Levitard who appears in the movie during the Smasher arm wrestling fight. Go ahead and watch the Smashers versus Stallone in the bar. The guy in the plaid shirt who officiates it is a dead ringer for Dan Lebitard. I thought it was actually right now. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. 24 Dan Levitard is in this movie in the smasher arm wrestling scene. I love it cracks me up every time now. It's my new favorite part. But the guy who's like maybe the greatest that guy ever is the security guard for Mr. Cutler who says, you're not wanted here who sends him away with the truck. He's in that guy. You know that guy.

Yeah, he's a good that guy. Alan Graff. But I like the case that you made. Dionne Waiter's a word. Broken elbow guy. Bo Hurley is eligible? Well, if it's Bull, then it's definitely. Is he eligible or is he the number three person in the movie?

Well, my complaint about Bull is he's not in the movie enough. Yeah, I think he's eligible. Yeah. I wanted to give Terry Funk a little love. Mr. Cutler is speaking to you. That's our guy Morgan in Roadhouse. There's always Barber College. But Bull Hurley is way better than him in this move.

So if Bull's eligible, I would go Bull. and if he's not, I would go dislocated elbow guy. If Bull is eligible, I guess that's my call and I have to make it right now. So is he the number four? I don't think he's eligible. I think he's in too many scenes. So broken elbow guy is our guy.

Yeah. Little man. Recast in Couch Director of City. Can we recast Hawks ex-wife and give him Deborah Winger? Oh, hell, yeah. And really try to step up the acting for those scenes. I think that's a no-brainer. I also thought about Gary Coleman as Hawk's son.

Just no explanation. Because Gary Coleman was still pretty hot. We've had multiple Gary Coleman references. Would you settle for Emmanuel Lewis? Either. It's not really explained. It's just the kid's so adorable. Really rooting for him.

It's a breakout for the kid. You could also have gone, Kirk Cameron. Kirk Cameron's in the zone right here. Mike Siever would be great. Why not? Why don't we have tattoo from Fantasy Island coming in? Tattoo?

I don't know. Stunt casting for Mike Cox. Kirk Cameron would have been awesome. He was doing vice versa with Dudley Moore at the time, I think. Yeah. Body switch. Yeah. Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or somebody else for the director's commentary.

I got to go back to my guy. I'm going to do, I'm going to do Gus. My cock! Young fella! hanging out crying like a bitch in the parking lot. Oh, best two out of three. Ha ha! I had

Gus Johnson right there. I had him as well. Yeah. Same one. My God. He is laying this off fire. They're in the strap. He could have gotten so excited for the strap.

I know, right? The strap. The strap would have lost his mind. I think that's a great call. All right, half-assenerate research, Loja's Mansion in this movie, which is 750 Bellier Road in Los Angeles. Feel free to Google Earth it.

Also, the home for the Clampett family and the Beverly Hillbillies. Oh, cool. Yeah, there you go. The film was nominated at the eighth Golden Raspberry Awards in 1988. David Mendenhall. Oh, no.

They're going to go at Mendenhall? Mendenhall won two. He won two Razzis. He won for worst supporting actor and one for Worst New Star. Oh, shit. Worst New Star is really tough. Let me ask you this.

I don't know this. How's Menon Hall doing? Is he still with us? Seems all right. I googled him. Seems looks pretty good. Still does a little acting. I think we're all right with Mendonov.

I worry about this stuff sometimes. No, he's all right. No, I think he's okay. I love you, dude. And then Slice Stallone nominated and lost to Bill Cosby for worst actor for Leonard Part 6. Leonard Part 6. Yeah, sure. which is an awful movie.

Rick Sumwalt became an alcoholic after this movie in his early 30s, but then joined a clean and sober fellowship and started working with subsidies abused people for the last like 10 years of his life and died in 03 after suffering a major heart attack. Okay. So they created an actual over-the-top arm wrestling tournament to coincide with this movie. They had a qualifier on Beverly Hills, August 1985, competition, North America, Europe, Israel, Japan.

They had the finale in July 1986, which was an 18-hour marathon tournament, the Las Vegas tournament. They filmed all of it. So a lot of the footage is from that tournament. And then the day after the real finals, Stallone comes in and films all his scenes with the crowds to do. That must have been awesome.

He's a huge star. That's cool. He goes against Mad Dog Madison, played by Randy Raney in this movie, who then battled him again in Rambo 3, a movie I've only seen once. Yeah, I remember it's really bad, and they played this weird sport

with the indigenous people there. It's bad at all. Yeah. The real guy who won that trucker's class over the top tournament won a Volvo white truck and trail mobile trailer worth about $250,000. His name was John Bresnick.

He inspired Lincoln Hawks. There you go. Apex, Mountain. Slice Stallone, definitely not. No. Golin Globus were kind of in the vicinity, because

they released 31 movies this year. Bloodsport is in production, over the tops being made. They kind of have figured out who they are. They're doing runaway train with John Boyt, which was actually a good movie, and this is kind of the peak. So I'm going to say yes, because you watch

the documentary. This seemed like the heyday. Yeah, I'm trying to think watching the doc. What is their best movie? Like, what's their Hall of Fame plaque movie? And is it, is it a Bloodsport? It's runaway train, bar fly, and, uh, Street Smart were the three kind of best movies they made. But I think Bloodsport's probably the biggest success.

What's fucking awesome. Okay. It has to be, right? Yeah. I mean, for you, it's Cobra. Definitely Cobra for me. There's a very few movies ever made that I love more than Cobra. Yeah.

So yeah. It's crazy that they didn't make Roadhouse. That feels like something they would have made. They're probably pissed. That was our idea of a cooler and Jasper. Right here. How did we not have this? Arm wrestling Apex Mountain, unquestionably, yes.

I can't imagine it ever got bigger for arm wrestling. No, the only other movie I remember seeing it in was in The Fly with Gobloom. He like rips a guy's arm off because he has the powers of a fly. Yeah. But this is years and years later. They even just did on Hard Knocks recently when Tyson Baygent was playing, they showed his father and they played the song from the movie, HBO NFL Films did it. And this is going on.

40 years later. This is the arm wrestling movie. It's the Citizen Kane of arm wrestling movies. It's not Apex Mountain for divorce movies. Do you have one? It's Kramer versus Kramer, I think. Yeah. That wasn't a Oscar. It wasn't multiple Oscars. It's still probably the best one, I think.

Yeah, it was a little before my time. Mrs. Doughtfire fucked me up. I was just, I was going through my stuff with my parents. That movie is such a downer at some points. Bob B.80, whatever his name is, definitely Apex Mountain. He's really important roles. He's a lot of lines. He could have been a Dionne Waiter's possibility.

The Hilton in Vegas, probably not. Probably had some big boxing things, but not an unimpressive performance by then. I'm sure Bernard Hopkins fought at the Hilton and Vegas at some point. Yeah, they must have been a big box thing. Terry Funk, no. Evil loggia?

Scarface? Consider him evil in Scarface or no? I mean, he put a hit on Tony, but he kind of deserved it. Yeah, he's mixed up in some very evil things. And by the way, I don't think he's the evil one of those movies. he's actually trying to be the hero. An annoying kids of divorce? Apex Mountain?

Is there been a more annoying kid in a divorce movie? I'm going to probably say no. I'm trying to think of those three kids in Doubtfire. They're all right. They seem like nice kids. No, nobody's as annoying as this. Rick Selmwell, yes. Truck driving?

Probably not, right? Because Smokey and the Bandit. Yeah, I mean. Jerry Reed in the truck was Smokey. or was he bandit? No, Reynolds was Bandit. It's probably as far as I'm concerned there's not a lot of pure truck driving movies

that I watch with regularity. Paul Walker was one called Joy Ride. It was like a horror movie. I like Joy Ride. I like Joy Ride, too. Convoy happened. It really had its peak in the late 70s. Yeah.

They made a bunch of them. Yeah. Sammy Hagar, unquestionably, yes, because this is also the year his first Van Halen album comes out. So he's got Winner Takes It All. Then he comes out with the first Van Halen album.

5150? Yeah, 5150. This is what dreams are made of. By the way, I'm going to defend 5150.

I think that album kind of rocks. Listen, I'm a big Van Hager guy. I know the take is that he turned the best rock

band in the world into journey. Yeah. You know what? I like Journey too. I don't give a shit. I like it. It's not true.

5150 is a good album, period. I like carnal knowledge too. I don't care. Right now is the biggest Crystal Pepsi, pass it over. He's huge.

I don't go after Sammy Hagar for that. I really appreciate that. Yeah, man, I'm with you. I like that stuff. Van Hagar was good. Yeah. Las Vegas, no.

And then drinking motor oil has it ever been done better? He says, I'm going to go through you, like gasoline through a funnel and then drinks motor oil. It's really a gimmick. It would immediately kill you, I'm sure. But it fires them up. I like it. It would at least, like, send you in some sort of tailspin for like five minutes. All right, this is an easy one.

Cruiser, Hanks. Well, I mean, it's good. It's got to be Cruz. I can't see Hank's in an arm wrestling movie. And it's the added benefit bill of there's really no female with which he has to try to have sexual chemistry with. So that's fine. It can just be Cruz.

He'll kill this role. Yeah, we didn't even talk about that. There's no love interest whatsoever with Stallone in this. He doesn't even like interact with a woman in this. Except his wife who gets along with Great and had ditched 10 years ago and hasn't raised their son. He's just on two phone calls. Yeah. He's a Brigitte knows and we get mad if I have a little bit of it.

Yeah. This was prime Brigitte time. I gotta be honest. This is a pretty cruisy Cruise movie. Yeah. Like I could have seen him in this in like 1993,

1999-194 range. Cruz is like really in arm wrestling training for four months a day. He was, there's stories about how he was actually arm wrestling, the best arm wrestlers and they can't believe how good he is.

He plays Mike Hawk in the sequel, older Mike Hawk. Oh, I like that, Craig. Yeah. Good job, Craig. Over the top two, Cruz as Mike Hawk, now an adult, early 2000s. He does his arm wrestling jumping off a motorcycle off of a skyscraper and arm wrestles in the sky.

And he does it all by himself and it's just crazy. Wow, falling. Great stuff. Racehorse, Rock Bay, and wrestler are a fantasy team name, the Lincoln Hawks? This is from my league. I've been in the same league 25 years. My friend Andy Miano had Hawk Hauling as one of his fantasy team names for years. Hawk hauling.

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Pickin Nitz, you mentioned the big one. If it's double elimination, why didn't Borough really have to be beaten twice? I just don't understand it. How did a little kid drive to the airport without a navigation system, purchase a ticket, get on a plane, escape the plan, and get to the tournament without the internet or a cell phone? Ridiculous. They don't even acknowledge how impossible this. The kid's not 15.

What is he? 11? I have him at 12. Yeah, he's 11 or 12. he drives for a quarter mile of the semi-truck while his dad helps him and then he gets a pickup truck and drives it from Bel Air to LAX and it's just no problem at all on the 405 which by the way is a lot of back roads it's tough I thought about it like he he probably had to take I'm guessing what do you got for the route I'm guessing he's probably taking sunset a lot of lights on sunset and probably

taking sunset all the way to 405 yep if he's leaving middle of the day I think there's a lot of actually. Definitely. No way he makes it off sunset. That is a harrowing drive. Right. That's true. He probably flips the car on sunset. I'm going to say an hour 15, but he also would have to know like he's got no navigation system, no map. He's like, oh, the exit for to get on 405s coming up. Okay, I'm going to go. I'll go south. Oh, no, now I got to get on the 10 and hit that way. And I just don't see it. No. So for an arm wrestling tournament in 1987, you win a $250,000 truck.

Yeah. And $100,000 in cash? Yeah. That seems super high. It's a lot. It's a lot of money. Like Nolan Ryan was making a million dollars in 1987. People were like, whoa.

Michael Jordan was making $400,000 a year playing basketball in 1987. When you would go on a game show, like supermarket sweep, you would walk away with like $800 sometimes. And it was like, wow, big winners today. And like it's 100,000. I guess they make it that to say that like he could start his new life now and he needs more money than that. A lot of money. A hundred grand. Come on. It would be funny if over the top two was he's like, now he's back into drug dealing. Now he has enough cash to finally buy the cocaine stash from the Colombians over the top two, Sicario. So the grandfather, what's he doing all that? Just a rich guy with henchmen.

What's his job? He's some sort of magnet. Like a bond, like he's like a Michael Milken selling junk bonds? What's he doing? I think he's closer to an older Gordon Gecko. Like I think he has worked really hard. Hedge fund guy. Yeah, like self-made all of that, which is why he says he has no family other than Michael.

So like that's, he's self-made finance guy like super, super powerful. You think he owned like staples? Like the chain of staples, those stores that sold, you know, like. computer stuff and yeah office supplies things like that office supplies yeah i think he owned like a whole shitload of kmart's like in the in the 80s kmart was big and burlington coat factories but definitely retail outlets and he owned a shitload of them he created footlocker like he had his own plane this guy was fucking loaded his house was gigantic the employees are gonna wear a referee shirts he's got henchmen with him at all times all time when you're henchman rich definitely yeah that's a

your own plane and you have your own henchman, you're like almost a billionaire. You can green light a child abduction in public rich. Like, yeah, you can move mountains, man. Well, I always think you're just wearing pajamas all day. I'm surprised he was a pajama witch. Lincoln Hawk was the only one who knew how to do the over-the-top trick. I have as a nitpick.

Nobody else had that in their arsenal. I have one big one, but do you have any other nipicks? Two quick ones. First of all, 20-to-1 seems way low, as the odds for Lincoln Hawk. They said there's 500 people in it, and they refer to him as a newcomer, and 20 to 1 is supposed to be looked at

as astronomical. I think it should have been at like 70 to 1. Right, that's like the Eagles right now are like 20 to 1. Yeah, the Eagles are 2 and 1, and they looked really good in week 3. There's a five-time repeating champion who's never lost,

and he have 20 to 1 odds. The other one, the stupidest scene in the whole movie, and that says something, is the scene when he first gets Michael and he says, let's just sleep in the cab. Like, let's just sit up here and tilt, tilt back and put our heads down and we'll sleep in the cab in our clothes sitting up. First of all, Link, you just want a thousand dollars cast off the smasher.

Maybe you spring 30 bucks for a red roof in hotel night. It's the worst day of this kid's life. He's terrified. And you're saying, well, maybe you can lean on me. Like, Jesus Christ. I got a stupid scene. Yeah. Terrible.

Terrible scene. I hate that scene. Great stuff. What else you got? I thought Bulls should have been decued when he punched Hawk in the nose. That should should have been in. Maybe it was the double elimination. That's a DQ, so now he's lost one and you only have to beat him one more time now.

That's, like in Karate Kid 3, when he gets points detracted for, like, contact to the face and stuff, like, that's what it should be. He gets one fall taken away for the punch to the face. What was that guy's name, Barnes? Mike Barnes, yeah. Mike Barnes, yeah. Terry Silver's Prodigy. All right, so just bear with me. Geographically, the first 40 minutes of this movie.

Yeah. So we start in Colorado. I'm pretty sure. Okay. We're heading to California to... L.A. Pick up the kid. Yeah.

And around the 20-minute mark, now we're near the Grand Canyon area, Arizona. Like five minutes later, we're like Arizona, Utah area. But now we're back in California 12 minutes later. Yeah. Heading to Vegas. But Vegas is near that Arizona, Utah border. It would have been really easy just to go to Vegas.

Mm-hmm. I don't know where Hawks driving for the first 40. He's just driving. He's got stuff. We're not explaining what the cargo is to his day of job. We got to go to Arizona and then I got to take some stuff back to LA. Like, nothing. We're just driving around for no reason in different parts of the West Coast.

I don't get it. I'm with you. He mutters something about it. He has to do another pickup. And then there's a timeline laid out a few days. He has to get back to California. But it's lost. It's totally aimless.

I think it's like a whole truck full of narcotics, too. But they're, right. He should have gone to Mexico. When we get through back from Mexico, they don't say anything to the border police. Just keep it real low. Don't be talking all that bullshit all the time. Well, listen, what's Zaywatineo is in Mexico, right?

That might be the next day. Hey, Mike, I need you to put this balloon up your ass just for an hour, okay? Take off that stupid-ass jacket with one side. sleeve, you little shit. All right. sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black casts are untouchable.

So I actually wrote down sequel, Mike Koch, and then Craig finished it off with Tom Cruise, and I think we're done. Yeah, Craig, nice job. But pro wrestler, Mike Koch is a pro wrestler? Is he in heels? You know, the TV show heels? Is he like one of those type things, or is he, I don't know what it is, but it's

No, he's just into trucking. You know, he's in the family business. It's nothing good. I don't think that's happening. Maybe Mike Hawk is in the first Fast and Furious. He's doing trucks, but they're stolen cars, and now he's involved with Dom Torretto. Paul Walker's chasing him.

Totally into that. They named him Mike Hawk on purpose, right? Like, they understood the joke. They had to, right? Would you, if you were Mike Hawk, would you be Mike Hawk or Michael Hawk? I got to go Michael. Michael, right? They also could have named him Lincoln Hunt

and then it would have been even dirtier for his son. But they didn't. Well, that's, Crystal Mazzappa should have said that to him. Hey, Mike Cock. You'd be sucking Mike Hawk in a second. I'll show you Mike Hawk right now. I'm the smasher. Yeah.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Traos, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh. Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, evil after Ramon Raymond or Philip Baker Hall. The answer is clearly Byron Mayo. who just should have been the grandfather. They should have mixed up rich guy character with Byron Mayo

and he's just shirtless holding like a narragansett and just drunk and angry he's getting at all kinds of shit. He just turns into Byron Mayo in Vegas. He's like, Mike! And the presidential suite got horrors in there.

Yeah. Yeah, Lincoln. Maybe you need to work off some steam. Shout out to CR. Mr. Mayo is speaking to you. Just one Oscar who gets it, obviously, Hagar. I don't know what one best song that year, but Winner Takes It All.

It had to have been better than it. Yeah, give it to him. Can you imagine the Oscars and the nominees are and Sammy Hagar for over the top? And he could have performed it? Well, you have to perform if you're nominated. He would go up there, the Red Rocker, late 80s, just blow the roof off that place, the Shrine Auditorium.

Wait, so that would have been the 1988 Oscars. Yeah, Google it. Do it on the fly. Best song. I'll do it on the fly. I thought I was really prepared for this, but obviously not. Oh, man. This is a really good category.

Oh, you're already got cold feet about winner takes at all? Nominees. Give me the bangers. Cry Freedom from the Cry Freedom movie. I can't speak to that. I don't remember that one. Nothing's going to stop us now from Manikin. Nothing's going to stop us.

That's a good song. It's a same. We're crazy. What do they know? Shake down from Beverly Hills Cop Tube from Bob Seeger. Shake down. You're busted.

Yeah, that sounds good. These are good. Storybook Love from the Princess Bride, music and lyrics by Willie DeVille. So maybe Cry Freedom or Princess Bride can take that spot. But the winner, the winner of the Oscar, Noah's had the time of my life.

Oh, she can't be that. Yeah, I mean, that's not better than that. But I think one or it takes it all could have snuck in there. I would like a nomination so Hager can be sitting there. So Sammy Hagar could be sitting next to all those other ones. I like shakedown breakdown. I'm going to listen to that after the pod. Yeah, that sounds really good.

Probably in answerable questions. Did Harry Boscoe get cheated? We end up with that. How did Chucker and Possible drug dealer and Lincoln Hawk end up with a billionaire's daughter in L.A.? I know. Great question. How did he pull? Well, she obviously hated her father and was,

She was probably doing some drugs, right? Maybe she was, that was her contact. That's how she ended up getting sick because she was like basically Jenny gumping it for 10 years. Well, dirty needles. Yeah. Yeah. A new virus.

They haven't identified yet. Yeah. We know what the virus is, Jenny. Yeah. Yes. Good call. And then what would the sport be in the 2024 version of this? Probably that stupid slap league.

Slap fight, which I won't and can't watch. Sorry, not for me. Love MMA. Don't like that. Any other in answerables? Yeah. Do you think it might be just kind of. awesome to be a truck driver.

It seems great. I think that your ass would be sore and you're probably constipated would be the two things probably not as awesome. You're driving through the mountains, Bill, you're just crushing pods. You stop off for a steak. You work out when you want to.

It's a solitary life. I remember during the Goodfellas pod, at one point you guys were talking about Henry Hill and CR was like, I think I just kind of want to own a fucking bar in the middle of the movie. And I really felt that. At some point I watched this movie, him like next life man i think i might drive a truck i think i might be into that different i would like the stops and how you know to different people in the different towns you're like

oh i'm in phoenix i'm gonna say how to dolores she's my favorite diner waitress yeah i like that and then there's like a little there's people you would know in each place and yeah i i would assume there's a lot of cigarettes yeah i think you're probably super bored yeah cigarettes but this listen this is all pre pods pre smartphones like you probably I have a sweet truck now. I don't know. Maybe next life. The only other one I had is unanswerable.

Who would win an arm wrestling tournament in the entire ringer verse if there's just all hands on deck? Who's coming on top of that one? I mean, the answer is always Brian Curtis. Yeah? I don't, yeah, Brian Curtis, like, crazy strength. Now, could he be, would he beat him and Rosillo in the finals? I'd still take him Brian Curtis.

I would go down a dark alley with Brian Curtis. Yeah, he's like the toughest guy at the ringer. No disrespect to Brian. I just know Rissillo. is always like in the cage and training and he does kettlebells and all that stuff. By the way, Rousselo might be a truck driver. It's not, it can't be ruled out.

He's jacked. Like, he might have been inspired by this movie. He might be just driving around in a truck. I don't know where he is right now. Best double feature choice. It's got to be Cobra. Come on, Bill. You got to do Cobra, and then over the top.

Like, if that was on a bill at some small theater, you would be delighted. Absolutely awesome. You would take our kids to that. I might even choose that. my double feature just with all movies at my disposal. I would choose that. I think that's my favorite one, not even for this movie, just generally. We should mention you started hitting me up to do this like six weeks ago. Would you watch it on a plane or something? I'll tell you why it is. It's because every time,

Bill, I ever post anything on social media about rewatchables, there's like multiple people in the comments who are like, great, now what are you going to do over the top? When are you doing over? It doesn't matter what we're doing. Rudy, naked gun, anything. They always want to eat. I could be two. I could be tweeting about deck prescott and they'll say great what are you doing over the top they wanted it so here we are i don't know then what what's the new draft choice going to be i don't know after this this was like uh because we've done it we've done a few good schwarznager's we've done some vown dam there's some sigaul left there's some meat on the cigar bone and we're going to have to end up doing on deadly ground at some point well out for justice is sitting there and it's

anybody seen richie so we may revisit that but i also noticed that the rewatchables feed tweeted that Salone now with this episode is in the 10 timers club. This is the 10 Timers Club. Salon movie that we've done. I've done, I think, four of them. And there's still some meat on the bone. There's still sly movies. Like, there's still demolition, man.

There's still a lot of shit out there. I'm glad you brought this up because I figured this out today. Cruz is at 15. Pacino's at 13. De Niro's at 12. Denzel at 11. Hanks and Damon and now Stallone at 10. But the weird thing about Cruz is he's got like

five or six left that we haven't done that are clear cruise movies. So I think he'll be the first to 20. But Keanu's kind of starting to climb up the ladder. I listen to Wick. I think Keanu's at nine. So anyway, okay. The Indian Reds are not there. It's a Wattonetna Award for what happened the next day.

Lincoln ends up with $240,000 plus a $250,000 truck. Where did he live? Where does his son live? Did they start a business? Is he back into selling big-scale drugs, cocaine, heroin? Do they move to Mexico? What happens? At one point, Michael hits in between the eyes with it.

And he's like, what would our life be? Like, what would we have? And he's like, oh, we just love each other. This makes no sense. Like, three days after being on the road with his dad, he'd be like, dad, I got soccer practice. Like, I got a Nintendo where I got, I got to go home. This is not, I'm 10.

I'm 12. I got to go back to my friends and stuff. Dad, I'm discovering my body. Can I go in the back of the truck for like a half hour? Does the door lock? I bet it does. Yeah, I probably, he probably goes back to the grandfather within about five weeks. Yeah, I mean, what would you do?

He's better up with you. Well, if you're Lincoln Hawk, the son's in this mansion in Bel Air is probably going to an awesome private school. He can drive his truck. He's one of the military academy. Right. So maybe he gets an apartment, you know, on sunset, uses that and can see his son. every once in a while and shares cousin. Like, use the grandfather as an asset.

He's not going to be in the truck with you just driving around in the West Coast. He's in sixth grade. I just don't know if Park can hang on sunset. Like, he's going to have to park that big rig like right in front of Miyagi's or whatever was there back in the day. That's going to be a tough fit, man.

Dad's going to be late. He can't park his truck on sunset. It's going to take another 40 minutes. I'm trying to back it in front of the saddle rent. It's like meadow soprado. The memorabilia you'd want from this movie, I'd have it narrowed down to the black cap at the end of the shoot, which he wears, which apparently he gave to Sammy Hagar

and then autographed it, and then it went for charity for $10,000. But I think it has to be the hawk at the top of the truck, right? The hawk is really cool, especially if you could find a way to affix that to your actual car, like whatever Volkswagen or whatever you drive, you put the hawk there. I actually made an alternative choice, but it's the same category.

If there's one of my favorite things on Hawks car or on Hawks truck, he has those mud flaps and it says pointing this way passing side and then the other one says suicide and don't pass that way. And I just imagine myself pulling up to like a travel baseball practice for my son like going with those mud flaps on my ride. That's what I want. Or the Bangor shirt from Bull Hurley. I like Bangor too.

That was good. Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. The world meets nobody halfway. Nobody. No, that's a big deal. Remember that, kids. Who won the movie? Because it probably wasn't Sylvester Stallone. I think the winner of the movie was arm wrestling. I think if you were to arm wrestle your friend right now, you make a reference to this movie. Everybody, all roads in arm wrestling lead to over the top some 40 years later. I think it's arm wrestling one. If Tyson Badgant was still the bear starting quarterback and had this whole moment and now he was a guy, you could argue maybe

was the belated winner of it because really nobody else won. The other possibility is Golden Globus, but they lost money on the movie, so I don't know how they won on that. And by the way, based to what I've seen through three weeks, I hope Tyson Bay just not playing quarterback for the Bears sometime soon because Caleb's getting a shit kicked out of him. So I hope we don't see that kid. Yeah, what's the play where he just goes backwards, four guys chase him, and then he gets hit by three of them as he throws it up for grabs?

It's called the Tecmo Bowl. You just run backwards and then eventually they grab you and you can't zigzag enough. It's tough. They didn't know that they couldn't block? When they did this whole thing? No, but it's all right. It's right, but we got all these wide receivers and running backs and stuff. It'll be fine.

And the coach is totally venerable. He's been through a lot of stuff. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Tough times with Bears fans. Well, I'm nervous, but we're going to bring Craig Horlebeck, our producer, who had not seen this movie. And the only advice we gave him was don't give up in the first 55 minutes. Just stick with it.

Yeah. Craig, your review. It's great. It's great I have you guys. I have nobody, literally nobody else in my life I could talk to about these movies. Look, is this one of the better of this category? Probably not. Do I love it?

And will I treat it like a child? Yeah. The first half is really rough. I'm not going to lie. I think this made me pushback when I want to have kids by like a year. I really hated that kid. Yeah. I didn't know this was good.

I was expecting, you know, some version of Cobra. Did not realize this was like a. father-son drama with an arm wrestling through line, which just, I was laughing to myself, 40 minutes into this movie. I was like, what are we doing? We're just like driving around. There's a sick mom. I don't even know why she's sick. Yeah, like the fact that these things get greenlit with one of the biggest stars in the world, truly shocking. I had some qualms though. I wish it was more, like, we need more 80's edge, you know? I'm used to like unnecessary nudity. There was no good truth of this movie. We needed that. Well, they were trying to make it like a, like a family

action drama. Is this a kids movie? Yeah, I don't, I don't know who it was for. In high school, it definitely wasn't for me, but we liked it anyway, but it wasn't like a cool thing to go see this on a Friday night. It was a little antiseptic. There's no drugs. There's no cigarettes. There's no, they don't even really drink. Stallone doesn't have a beer, I don't think. Like, I needed more to this. But as soon as Hagar comes in, you understood why you were there and why we're doing this. Last half hour. I mean, it felt like a prequel to the movie I wanted to see. Like, I wanted to see Stallone's full arm wrestling.

I don't, you know, the rest of it is all prologue. What did you think of arm wrestling in general as the featured sport of an actual 80s movie? It's not a very visually appealing thing. It's not very cinematic. It's tough to get there. There's not a lot of movement. I will say I did appreciate the like, the quick slam was like a fun, a fun closing move. I like Craig when they show the guys

And they're warming up And they're doing like shadow arm wrestling Like getting loose like going like that Like they have a whole routine to do It's the only way they could warm up Yeah One thing I did appreciate you I don't think you guys mentioned this

I liked Sly using his own semi truck As like a workout machine Yeah He was using like the grill From the front grill of the truck To like do curls That was unique That was innovative

I had never seen anyone work out With a car like that That was innovative I think Sly has figured out more unconventional ways to work out in a movie than any other actor. I mean, he's in Rocky Four is the peak of that, right? He's just like, what do we have around this log cabin that we could use for the montage? I'm going to pull a sled through the snow and I can beat this undebeatable Russian dude. Yeah.

Right. He's just doing upside down, chin ups, just hanging from a log beam. No pain. No pain. Was this whole era of Stallone considered like a big step down for him? This guy 10 years ago wrote a best picture-winning movie. And now he's just making Cobra and over the top. You know, it's funny about it?

It really was great the entire time. It was that the step-down part didn't happen to the late 80s. Everything he released, I loved. I loved all of it. Cobra, Rambo 2, whatever it was. We were all in. We were like, all right, Stallone's cooking again. It was almost like, we all had season tickets for Stallone.

No doubt. Nobody was like, hey, maybe lean back into something that's a little bit more prestigious awards worthy. Well, that's what he ends up doing that when he kind of has the Stallone reboot in the 90s. He does Cliffhanger, which is like a really smart, big budget action movie version of what he should be. And he tries to do the specialist, but then eventually does Copeland, which was his attempt to try to win the Oscar. That's my favorite Stallone. Yeah. The only comp I can think of is Nicholas Cage wins the Oscar for leaving Las Vegas and then is doing like

con air and face off in like these popcorn action movies. Like, what the fuck? Why would you do that? I don't know. It's just what he liked to do. Yeah, it's, I'm really, I don't know, but I can't speak for Kyle, but I'm delighted with the Stallone IMDB. No, it's so good. I love how it played out. Like, we haven't done lockup yet.

That movie is just abjectly insane. I know. He just, he basically, we hit the mid-80s and he's just like, how much I'll do it. And that's how he, and because I think he knows, he, he, can't beat Schwarzenegger, right? Schwarzenegger is this whole other animal, James Cameron's trying to work with him. Yeah.

Stallone's like, all right. God bless him. I had my run. Just two nights ago, I showed my 10-year-old Terminator 2, and it blew his fucking mind. I don't think Stallone's ever made anything like that. He's never,

Rocky's the closest, right? Yeah, so 70s, you know. All right, that's it for the rewatchables. Thanks to Craig Horlebeck for producing. Thanks to our guy, Kyle Brandt. We'll have to figure out a new, everyone's begging us to do this, one because I feel like over the top was the number one. We'll get, we'll hear from the feedback,

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