The Rewatchables - Pacific Heights’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Kyle Brandt

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

From Hell month continues with a visit to San Francisco, where Carter Hayes is wreaking havoc on a Victorian home in ‘Pacific Heights’ starring Melanie Griffith, Matthew Modine, and Michael Keaton.... Producers: Craig Hoelbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic The Ringer is committed to responsible trading. Please visit https://fanduel.com/predicts to learn more about the resources and helpline. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder, what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if. Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit Wayfair.com.
Starting point is 00:00:13 Wayfair, every style, every home. The rewatchables is brought to by the Ringer podcast network where you can find Chris Ryan, the one and only. That's me. The Watch World Cup. A lot of World Cup going on right now. For sure. I don't know when this is running, but the World Cup will still be going. Okay.
Starting point is 00:00:33 Then I am still doing the Adam Friedland. show, Colin the Beautiful Pod, where we talk about the World Cup. Talk about soccer. Uh-huh. Yeah. Hopefully by the time people hear this, USA will still be alive. Let's hope. We'll be like, holy shit.
Starting point is 00:00:46 We got through the groups. Kyle Brands here. Hey, Bill. You said you have an announcement. What do you got? I do. I have an announcement that affects us all. I was listening to the mailbag episode of this very podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Oh, my God. And there was a gentleman who had a grievance with you and me, Bill. And then in the wake of that grievance, Chris Ryan had a solution to the grievance, and we even have the clip. If you wouldn't mind Craig Horbeck, play the clip to remind the listeners. How do you and Kyle Brandt sleep at night, knowing you failed to choose
Starting point is 00:01:15 the Storm family portrait as the piece of memorabilia you'd keep from heart to kill in 1990? It's seen early in the movie right before Felicia Storm was brutally murdered during Foropo of Mason and before their son, Sunny escapes. See attached as Penance,
Starting point is 00:01:30 please do an episode on Deadly Ground. So he sent a picture and this is the Storm Family photo I didn't notice it I apologize I know Kyle apologizes as well this is amazing I can't believe they did this I'll tell you what you guys should do
Starting point is 00:01:45 by the way that's Sharon Stone I think to make up for this you should get those made into t-shirts and wear them the next time you and Kyle I feel like Kyle is crazy enough and there's no football right now that he's going to show up on our rewatchables with the Storm family portrait on there
Starting point is 00:01:59 we appreciate the feedback we listen We're always trying to pay attention. Anytime I can make the show better. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm thrilled to tell you, we got them. We got them. We got them. We got Felicia, rest in peace.
Starting point is 00:02:15 We got the unironically named Sunny Storm. And we got Mason Storm, who is mean mugging the artist who is painting a family portrait. You just love to see it. And, guys, I got them coming your way, too. I'm so thrilled that I have this. It's also Mason Storm watching himself, to foreplay with his wife, you know? Like, it's a stunning
Starting point is 00:02:36 metatechual commentary on family and sexuality in it, and now you have it as a T-shirt. It's a T-shirt. This is a six-person pod. Here it is, guys. So they're going to be joining us for Pacific Heights. Mason Storm to talk real estate. We got it. So is that supposed to be Sharon Stone?
Starting point is 00:02:54 No, it's Felicia Storm. I don't think it's Sharon Stone. Oh, yeah, yeah. She was in the other one. I think it's just a great-looking wife who got shotgun to death in the first act. Unbelievable stuff, Kyle. Thank you. It's going to be hard for me to concentrate on the podcast. I know.
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Starting point is 00:04:00 All right, guys. I don't know if it's from hell month or from hell summer. We'll see. This might run in July, CR, for all we know. The USA might be in the final four by the time this runs. But I told Kyle Brandt the premise, I told him some of the movies, and he basically looked at me and he said, when Pacific Heights is ready, I'm there.
Starting point is 00:04:19 Why? What is it about this movie? Well, Bill, I don't know whether you realize this or not. You referenced this movie over the years on this pod here and there, just connected to Keaton, connected to this, that it'll come up. And every time you do, I was like, oh, it'd be great to do a Pacific Heights pod. And then recently you were listing the movies for for Hell Month. And the second you said Pacific Heights, CR goes, ooh, that's the one I want to do.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Because, of course, he's a man of taste. And I think for me, it's just the rare, rare Zillow thriller, you don't see a lot in that genre. And I remember it making a big impression on me as a kid, despite having no knowledge of real estate law or renter's rights. And I think it's because it was fully evil Michael Keaton. Immediately in the wake of Batman, he decides to do dark money pit. And I just remember thinking that was so cool.
Starting point is 00:05:09 And I loved this movie. And I don't know how big the audience is, but every time it hits for me and the rewatch was great. This is a crazy one that was on cable constantly. When I turn this on to rewatch it, I was like, I kind of don't need to do this.
Starting point is 00:05:22 I have this movie committed to memory. I remember so many nuances of Keaton's performance specifically. Yeah. Who's kind of in this movie like Hannibal Lecter? Were you gonna play with a razor blade during this pot?
Starting point is 00:05:32 Or no? Just kind of move it around. I let some roaches out in the house. But, you know, this one has been kind of lost to history a little bit. I don't even know it goes in and out of streaming services. It's not constantly on.
Starting point is 00:05:46 I don't think it's had any kind of like critical real valuation, but it is a rollicking, you know, what is it, a hundred minute long thrill ride. Tenant from Hell. New York Times described it as an eviction thriller. Yeah. Which I think it might be the only one of its kind. I saw this in the theater.
Starting point is 00:06:05 It's a great date movie. It's both scary and not scary at all. I watched it with my wife this weekend. she loved it it's incredibly fun to make fun of Drake Goodman played by Matthew Modine who we'll get into
Starting point is 00:06:17 with a lot of thoughts but some stuff I like tremendous San Francisco movie we talked about this during the basic instinct pod this early 90s San Francisco great job you can see Alcatraz at one point
Starting point is 00:06:31 It's Potoro Hill Is that what it is? Yeah Is it Potoro or Patero? It's Petrero Hill Petrero my God the corner of in Texas, so it's not in Pacific Heights.
Starting point is 00:06:43 But great San Francisco movie, it's right as this from hell thing is taken off. We talked about the peaks 92, but fatal attraction lays the tea leaves for something like this. And then, as Kyle pointed out, kind of a tremendous I Learn Something movie? I didn't know anything about tenant rights, evictions, what the laws were.
Starting point is 00:07:08 What I could get away with when I was at 10th, someday. Once you're in, you're in, man. This is like the main list of the movie. Did they take money from you, deposit? Nope. Well, you're still in. You're good. Knock yourself out. I think California has more lenient tenant rights than other states, but I did later in my life, like when I was in my late teens, early 20s, I lived in a house in Boston where the landlord died and we just stopped paying rent. Wow. For like a full year. And then the widow was like, what's up with you guys? Like, you haven't paid rent in a year
Starting point is 00:07:41 and we were like, well, nobody asked. You know, but it was like, there was a whole process where it was like, it was going to be impossible to get us out. And that widow was bankrupted because these brat kids
Starting point is 00:07:52 didn't pay her dead husbands of rent. Jesus, you are? Just skating, no big deal. That's like better than illegal cable. That's incredible. Yeah. Really is.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Free rent. To that point, though, like, what I watched it now as an adult, what freaks me out is like, I'm not afraid of Freddie Kruger. I'm not afraid of going in a dark basement. I'm terrified of systems that I can't navigate and that the teeth of bureaucracy sink in,
Starting point is 00:08:17 whether it's HOA, IRS, whatever it is getting its teeth into me, and I can't protect my family, especially since in this movie the couple, they throw it all in on this house. It's like the great American dream. This is our future. It's an investment.
Starting point is 00:08:32 And it's being taken from them. Really relatable and very, very scary in a way that like a slasher movie is not. And also there's very few movies that shape your perspective completely. You could be on the Carter Hayes side or you could be on the Modin and Melanie Griffith side. Are there people who are on the Carter Hayes side?
Starting point is 00:08:50 Well, just like, I don't have enough money to pull off renting this place, but I'm in and I'm just going to fuck it. Like, that's like the worst case scenario, right? This is like a pretty evil guy. But there's been, I remember like we, when I lived in Charlestown, we had a really, really huge party
Starting point is 00:09:05 and got in trouble with the landlord and I did kind of be like, you know what, what's he going to do? I got six months left at least. I learned from Pacific Heights. There's a whole process here. We worked it out with the landlord, but you know,
Starting point is 00:09:21 you kind of put the chest out. It's like, you think you better than me? We can't have a body? What's nuts is that is that moment when after Carter Hayes gets beat up and the cop comes, and the cop holds like a legal class right there on the sidewalk, and where Drake is like,
Starting point is 00:09:40 he's got no right to be here. And the cops like, when he's in, he's got rights. And he's just schooling Modin's, get a lawyer, kid. That's the crux of the movie. And by the way, when we get to the overacting award, like, Modine goes five different times. And considering the fact that he's going up against Keaton here, who's just like throwing 103.
Starting point is 00:10:03 He's Mizrowski at the end of this game. Yeah, like it's. Oh, a Ms. Rouske reference. I saw him live on Friday night. 15 case. You went to that game? Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Oh, that's great. Kyle, when you, what happened after you left the real world in Chicago? Did you have a place to go or did you have to move back home? No, I almost immediately moved to Franklin Avenue at the base of Runyon Canyon, like by the Magic Hotel. Like right there, I got an apartment. Oh, yeah. I like that. Yeah, so I got my first apartment, had a roommate.
Starting point is 00:10:33 It was $1,400 a month. I paid $700 a month. and I lived there for like a couple of years. Because you could have done the Carter Hayes on the real world. Yeah. It'd be like, all right, it's moveout day. It's like, is it? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Yeah, sorry, guys. My stuff's here. Is it move out day? Me and Anise are just going to stay for a while. We've been here for four months. And we're going to get Tanya to stay too. And we're just going to keep finding out what happens. We stopped being polite.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Great idea, Bill. I was kind of thinking that there was their story going around about Carl Anthony Towns when he got traded from the Timberwolves was like, they gave me 10 minutes to pack up like nine. years of stuff. Yeah. And I was like, there would be a whole new Pacific Heights twist of people moving into athletes' houses after they just got traded and being like, I'm not leaving.
Starting point is 00:11:16 But you're like, you know, cats, cat squatter. Sure. Yeah, what if cat just never left Minnesota? That's right. It's like, nah. I'm good. Yeah. Does Jimmy Dolan say like, I know the trade legally happened.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Craig, do you have a terrible tenant story? When I lived in Brooklyn, a year after college, we had a true slum lord. Like our place was a complete piece of shit And we eventually stopped paying rent And realized there's nothing this guy can do So we didn't pay rent for probably the last three months Did he do anything to harass you back? He threatened us
Starting point is 00:11:47 And we said like we'll get a lawyer and he never responded We never saw the guy in person We went to his office It was always closed every time we came by So we just stopped paying This is what happens But that's New York I think in like Florida and Texas
Starting point is 00:12:00 It's a lot harder for the tenant The other thing about this movie is I think it's a one-on-one because you think like there's been 75, we did hand the rocks a cradle, 75 versions of that movie with the nanny comes in. Oh, she's going to try to rope in the dad and all the mistress from hell.
Starting point is 00:12:19 That's a, that's, I don't remember another tenant or eviction from hell, right? Well, this could be, I mean, so, it would be so fun to remake this for Airbnb now. Yes. You know, and to be like, oh, yeah, you know, because like they've made some Airbnb horror movies like the, I think it was the rental from a couple
Starting point is 00:12:36 years ago with Dave Franco. Oh, I kind of like that movie. Me too. And he directed that. But they haven't made a Airbnb my house during the World Cup and now the guy won't leave. Like that's sitting right there. And he's with seven people from Scotland.
Starting point is 00:12:52 And he keeps singing about John McGinn. They just keep singing songs and pouring beer on each other. This was another thing I loved about this movie that for some reason makes me think of Kyle Brandt every time I see this opening credits from Natives or is it starts out, James G. Robinson presents.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Sure. I don't know who that is, but it just sounded, there's a certain weight, and I just was disappointed that Mustafa Akka could have been involved. This is a carolco. I think one of the last Morgan Creek movies, I can't remember, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Joe Roth was a part of this. This had a lot of hitters, and it's worth saying, it's Keaton's first movie after Batman, which is crazy. Fucking awesome. First movie after Batman. We talked about him in the past.
Starting point is 00:13:34 I loved him in the 80s. from the Letterman appearances. Then Night Shift, which we did with Billy Blaze. Johnny Dangerously, Gungho, Beetlejuice. He's the top five Letterman guest. There's a couple of misses in there. A little clean and sober in there. But then Batman in 89,
Starting point is 00:13:53 and it was watching one of your college buddies just become one of the biggest stars in the world. It's like, really, Michael Keaton's going to be Batman? Yeah, he's like the closest thing we would have today would be Pratt, right? Like kind of... But Pratt doesn't have like a... I saw him on Letterman 100,000 times.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Like it was more... It would be like if Peter Schroger became Batman. By the way, Peter Schroger might be Batman. He's in New York. He's right there. He's tough. He's tall. Bill, I'm hearing a lot of things
Starting point is 00:14:18 from the guys in Gotham. They're very excited about RV Dead's chances as Attorney General. Hey, I talk to the penguin, Bill. His guys love him. They are ready to go to war for him for Gotham. And you know what? The cold weather is not a problem for the penguin.
Starting point is 00:14:33 We're hearing. And I'll tell you another thing. If the penguin hadn't gone right there, Sean McVeigh was ready to take him. I'm glad you bring up McVeigh. I haven't mentioned him in 30 seconds. Did you know I'm friends with him and I was at his wedding?
Starting point is 00:14:44 He's basically the riddler in disguise. Peter, you're great. We love you. I know you listen. Anyway, Batman makes Keaton a massive, massive star. It goes from a wait, why the fuck is this guy Batman too?
Starting point is 00:14:55 He was actually a great Batman because of the mouth. Yes. The mouth with the mask. Look great. He did the job. He pulled it off. What's your next move?
Starting point is 00:15:04 It's going to be an eviction thriller, actually with Matthew Modin and Melody Griffin. So I couldn't find this in the research. Yeah. Do you guys, because there's a phenomenon of like, this has happened to Jennifer Lawrence when she was in Hunger Games. And then the first thing that comes out is a horror movie that she had shot like three years previous.
Starting point is 00:15:19 And they're like, from the star of the Hunger Games. Yeah. I bet she would have paid anything to have that flush down the toilet. Was Pacific Heights something that he agreed to previously? No, it was a move. I'm pivoting. Career man. Career move of I want to be a little bit evil.
Starting point is 00:15:33 But the thing is like actors love. going evil. This is the best part of the movie. You don't want the Modin part this movie. You want the, you want the key part, right? Well, Chris, the thing, the same thing happened. Chris Hemsworth and a terrible Red Dawn remake came out after he was Thor. Right. And they brought that out. But listen, I have a take. Happens important too a lot. A lot of times is porn. Like, I didn't realize that thought wow. Look at this person. Going at it. Carter Hayes is Bruce Wayne if he had never gotten the money. And I think it's like Thomas and Martha get killed.
Starting point is 00:16:05 and he turns to crime. All them when he goes to charity, he's cunning, he's dashing, he's brilliant, he likes the blonde women. Let's be honest, there is like a very cheeky moment with that black Porsche where he clicks the thing and that's like,
Starting point is 00:16:18 that's the fucking Batmobile. Like in the driveway, that is exactly it. He drives that fancy Mercedes at the end. That's like the Wayne family car. If Bruce Wayne had never gotten the money, he's Carter Hayes gone to crime. When he's trying to take on that rich widow at the end,
Starting point is 00:16:32 he's rolling around, he's got the V-neck sweater on. He definitely looks like, Bruce Wayne at the golf club. I've said this in previous pods, and it sounds nuts, but Hanks and Keaton were deadlocked for years and years. They were Mahomes and Josh Allen, basically. And Keaton was winning in 1990.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Batman was bigger than anything Hank did. They were dead even probably going for the same parts where you could have flipped them in different movies. And by the time we get to Pacific Heights, this movie was a hit. And Hanks has Bonfire of the Vanities, basically the same year. That's a bomb.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Yes. And then Melanie Griffith. And then the next year it flips and Hanks goes on his Hanks run. I think the thing I loved about Keaton is I like him more when he's like this guy or Jackie Brown. Because he could also be the night shift guy, but you can't be the night shift guy for 20 years, right? Nightship guy is like a five-year show flip. I liked when there's like a little darkness to Keaton. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:28 And I think being part of an ensemble or being part of a larger cast rather than being like the only person is helpful for him. like the paper he's pretty good in. I know that you don't like that movie, but yeah. Spotlight. Yeah, and Spotlight. It's a good example. You know what happened in Spotlight? They do!
Starting point is 00:17:46 We cut these guys loose! I missed that. Yeah. Don't you call me ladies! You know what's an underrated? I found this out this weekend because it came up on YouTube. An underrated accent in the spotlight is Tucci. Tucci.
Starting point is 00:18:00 What's he doing in that? It's like Boston, but I maybe went out of state. for school and came back. I went to Tennessee. Yeah. Came back. We're going to go a lot into some of the interviews Matthew Modine has given over the years
Starting point is 00:18:14 because he's really a one-on-one. And honestly, a threat to listen to this podcast and sent some angry tweets. I don't want to say I love Matthew Modine. I love Matthew Modin. Congratulations on the Knicks. And for Melville Jack, it's one of my favorite movies. Vision Quest we love.
Starting point is 00:18:28 We already did Vision Quest. And he's back, Stranger Things. He had a huge run. Stranger Things. Don't take it personally. I'm in on Modin. And also, this part, he does this part very well. Right. Well, we're going to get to that.
Starting point is 00:18:41 I'm going to the other way. I don't give a shit what Modin says. When he turns off those utilities and does that victory dance, cringe, cringe, Modin, you can tweet with anything you want. Wow. Come right at me. Mo Dean said about Mike, I've been talking to Modin, and he's so excited about some of the stranger things spinoffs.
Starting point is 00:19:01 Yeah. Modine said about Michael Keaton and one of the many. interviews he's given over the years. Michael is a charming and witty man. So playing that character may have been uncomfortable for him. It was so against type. I'm not sure what he did while not on set. He had just done Batman.
Starting point is 00:19:16 It was a ginormous success. So I'd see him on the set and we'd do our work. And then he'd disappear like Bruce Wayne. I think Keaton was just in and out. Modin's like, hey, you want to watch the next game tonight? No, no, I'm going to dinner. And that was it. It didn't feel like there was a lot of love in general on this set.
Starting point is 00:19:31 But, um, yeah. Keaton after this, it gets a little rocky. Like, he does Batman, the second one. Uh-huh. With Michelle Pfeiffer. Yes. And then, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:19:42 It gets a little rocky for a couple years IMDB-wise, and then, hey. Chris, do you like Batman returns? I think I'm not the biggest Burton Batman guy. I think the first one's huge for me just because of, like, seeing the theater and the events of it all. But I think it just kind of pales in comparison
Starting point is 00:19:58 to the normal ones. Yeah, I don't care for it very much. I just don't the penguin thing and all that. I just don't think it's very good. And then the Schumacher ones came and it destroyed it. Batman Returns,
Starting point is 00:20:06 I don't really like, to your point, Bill. Like, we're talking Apex Mountain left and right. Like, this is like the definition of it for Keaton. Yeah. Melanie Griffith, this is kind of the tail end for her as a leading actress in a movie.
Starting point is 00:20:19 We go from Body Double, something wild, working girl. And then she does Pacific Heights, Bonfire of the Vanities this year. And then that's it. She really paid for Bonfire of the Vanities in a way that maybe hangs to die.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Yeah. And Willis didn't either. The Palma did, though. Yep. This was the last stand for her. And I got to say, she's miscast in this movie, but I still like that she's in the movie. It's a miscasting that I actually really enjoy.
Starting point is 00:20:46 I don't think she's the right person for the movie, and I never really bought her in Modin. But I think that's one of the reasons I like the movie, Kyle. Even last night, my wife and I were talking about it, we're like, would these two be together? There's a lot of that. So this is my favorite part about this movie. Sometimes we'll watch these films
Starting point is 00:21:01 that are set in the early 90s up until like maybe turn of the century and you're like I felt like all of this stuff would be so different now because of technology but there's something perfect
Starting point is 00:21:12 about a horse instructor or horse riding instructor and a kite maker yeah let's make it work you want to throw $7.50 down on a Victorian you know like I don't know like
Starting point is 00:21:24 how would people vet each other back then how long did you date you know but like they're just two kids like to fuck trying to make it honest you know, like it's just... I had this for later. Like, did he feel like the kites were going to take off in the 90s?
Starting point is 00:21:36 Dude, I mean... It's like South Korea. It's going nuts right now. Listen, I have it on unanswerable questions. It's like, does he make fucking kites for a living? He does. He's like luxury kite maker. Right now it would be like some douchebag you went to high school with on Facebook.
Starting point is 00:21:50 And he's like, a bit of personal news. New endeavor starting a kite company. Big things coming. We're thinking IPO in spring of 28. Early investors, if anyone wants... to get out of my kite company. So she's a horse instructor with a bad knee. Heronite and his kites.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Ernie. Yeah. Yeah. Equestrian accident, we didn't get to see for some reason, even though we got 10 minutes of backstory. It's too bad Tatum's doctor couldn't work. On Patty. But maybe get an apartment.
Starting point is 00:22:20 You're not even married. Like the big swing for the Victorian, it's just an apartment would be fine, right? Maybe you guys get the studio. That's the other weird thing about the relationship is like they, they're filling out. application. It's like marital status. They look at each other, like single.
Starting point is 00:22:35 It's like they don't want to really get married, but somehow they went all in on this giant Victorian anyway. And she says she's pregnant at one point, and he doesn't even seem that excited? No. He just says, like, congratulations. Like, she just got promoted at work. It's like, did you kid too? Fuckface?
Starting point is 00:22:52 I have a lot of Drake Goodman thoughts. But, yeah, Melanie and Griffith, she's at that stage with this where I think she's probably late 20s, real life. but in the movie could be anywhere from 25 to 44. I would have believed any age. Whereas Modin seems pretty young still. He's in Vision Quest five years earlier after this.
Starting point is 00:23:11 Yes. Also, he goes shirtless a couple of times, and Modine's still absolutely ripped. Like, he looks absolutely great. He's in Vision Quest shape. Two things about their relationship. They kind of look like brother and sister, and if you know that and watch it, it weird you out.
Starting point is 00:23:23 I watched it once a few days ago, and then I did some research, which you probably have built it. Like, they weren't necessarily the best friends on set, and I don't think it went that well. And then I watched the movie again, and it really affects it knowing that they weren't liking each other.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Felt the same way. I watched it, did the research, watched it the second time, and I'm like, oh yeah, even when she's like, when they're doing the renovation scene and she's kind of mounting them and it just felt like brother,
Starting point is 00:23:49 it was like watching the Lannister. There was a lot more electricity when Keaton's got the nail gun to her head. A little bit more chemistry going on. That's one of the questions of this movie. She has a more interesting relationship with Keaton, who she's in like two scenes with. But when she's in the scenes of them, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:24:03 oh, yeah. Now we're going. I don't know. Look, she's iconic and body double. She's great in working girl. Working girl. And had, you know, a bevy of personal problems. She married Don Johnson two different times. She married Antonio Banderas and she married
Starting point is 00:24:21 Mani from Scarface. It's kind of like us returning to Miami Vice the series after all these years. Well, I feel like she's like a family member for us. Don Johnson, Stephen Bauer, and Antonio Baderes. Your three husbands. I'm like, I don't know. I kind of dig her.
Starting point is 00:24:34 She should be third chair on the big bank. It would just be like, yep, buried him. And then Mo Dean playing Drake Goodman, who I'll just say this now. I think is the biggest dope in all of these from hell movies. He might be the number one, dumb ass. Yeah, male or female, I think he's the dumbest. Every decision he makes is wrong.
Starting point is 00:24:57 he escalates it. At one point my wife, who was half watching, as always, just went on a tirade on him where it was almost like you forget you're watching a movie. He's like, why is this guy so fucking stupid? He ever reacts to everything? Yeah, but I think that's a great characteristic. Like, I think it's an amazing movie character
Starting point is 00:25:14 to just be like, oh, this guy has bringing so much grief to himself because he can't control his temper. Can you imagine if he was the rewatchables producer? Like, how pretty set on the screen yet? Where is he? He told us. I want him out. What are Jake Goodman thoughts, Kyle?
Starting point is 00:25:32 I have a lot of Jake Goodman thoughts. Him being the dumbest thing in any of the From Hell movies is bold. There's a woman in the good son who drops her own son off a cliff in favor of one or his son. That's a big move. Right. But I love, there's a really brief scene. I know you guys saw it where he shows us a lot of his cards.
Starting point is 00:25:51 And he's a rugby player. He comes in in the rain. He's got that like blues, clues shirt on. He's like, sorry, went to double overtime. Super violent. Most rugby players will be ready to fight and have beers after the game. And really, really dumb. Like, my favorite part of the From Hell movies is not when the From Hell people go bad.
Starting point is 00:26:11 It's when they're buttering up their marks. And the two scenes that Keaton has with Modin and then it's a very different one with Patty. Modin just sees a few hundred bucks and he's like, I don't give a shit. Your private trust? Great. Total idiot. Whereas Melanie Griffith is actually. really smart in this movie. Yeah, she does
Starting point is 00:26:29 Keaton does a lot of stuff in that scene, which is going to be coming up for most rewatchables where, it's like, so you bought this, who'd you buy this with? Are you guys married? It's your first one? Yeah. Like, he's just like pulling information from him. So good. And stupid-ass Drake Goodman, who just sees a wallet full of $2,900
Starting point is 00:26:45 which, by the way, he doesn't give to him. Nope. Because he's like, ah, I can give you this now, or I can wire you all of it next next week. Anytime somebody's like, I could wire it to you next week. Like, I'm out. I'm like, hey, how about you, how about You signed the lease and we could... From my bank in San Antonio?
Starting point is 00:27:00 What? Yeah, I'm good. What was the San Antonio? Tropic Thunder? Yeah. What is he saying that? Oh, we're going to get some crawfish in San Antonio. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah, so Drake Goodman, professional luxury kite maker. One of the dumbest landlords of all time. Yeah. Terrible boyfriend. Not excited at all for the pregnancy right away. wins the fight. And is your alcoholic?
Starting point is 00:27:30 Yeah, definitely put down five beers. He hammers beers. At one point, he gets in a fight with Keaton. They go through the glass door. It gets in some punches. And then Melanie Griffith comes out. And he all of a sudden he's like a five-year-old kid. Like he collapses in her arms.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Like, oh, I'm sorry. It's like, what are you in the kindergarten? You just fought the school bully? Just a complete mess. He has all the traits of a spoiled rich kid, except he's not rich. So what good is he? You're right.
Starting point is 00:27:58 The more you watch it, the less you like him. This was kind of the Mo Dean, you know, he would be these quirky characters, like Vision Quest, super quirky. I love that movie.
Starting point is 00:28:07 I love him in that movie. I think he's great. So do I. But, like, just, there's a quirkiness about him. Like, he's like wide-eyed. Yeah. It's off-kilter.
Starting point is 00:28:14 There's nobody like him, right? I can't think of another actor. I can't think of another actor now who is, like, as off-beat as him, yet put in the lead role. You know what I mean? It's like usually that guy will be like, I don't know, like the Crispin Glover kind of like, oh, he's the comic relief for the weird buddy.
Starting point is 00:28:33 The weird one. He's often like the main character. He was a leading man. He always seems, and I just think because he looks young, he always seems three years too young for whatever role he's in. And full metal jacket was that kind of work to his advantage. Yes. But he does Birdie, Vision Quest, Full Metal Jacket, Gross Anatomy. He's like, considered to be one of the, you know, one of the best up and company.
Starting point is 00:28:55 actors. Yeah, and he's so good in full metal jacket precisely because the way he's delivering his lines and the way everybody in that movie is kind of talking is like,
Starting point is 00:29:03 you're like, what is going on? Hey, Joker. We haven't done that one yet. And then after this, he does wind with Jennifer Gray. A little sailing movie. I'm not familiar with the wind.
Starting point is 00:29:13 It's an America's Cup movie. Sailing movie. You'd be familiar if you surf around on Tubey. I do. I'm a white squall guy when it comes to sailing.
Starting point is 00:29:22 And then my favorite Modine other than Vision Quest. I like white squall. is, and the band played on, the HBO movie about, about when the AIDS thinged up. And he has a great stand-up, screaming everybody's speech in that movie.
Starting point is 00:29:37 How much is enough? How many bodies do we have to bury? But it's really good. And it's, with him, when he goes on tilt, you really feel it and enjoy it. What's your Mo Dean?
Starting point is 00:29:48 Like, when you see Modine, what are your thoughts? I don't have any. You probably think the guy, the guy from Dark Night, right? The lieutenant or whatever. I mean, unfortunately, it's stranger things. I mean, which is probably pathetic.
Starting point is 00:30:00 But he has like a, there's almost like a Krasinski vibe to him when he's young. He's like, that's a great one. You know, it's like, that's who is comp is now. He could have existed in a sitcom. His style of acting, I think almost would work that way. Like scrubs instead of that graph. Yeah, I think he could have done something like that. Good one.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Do you think he should have put on 50 pounds of muscle like Krasinski? Or he could be in like Jason Siegel a little bit. Yeah. I'll see him in shrinking kind of. He's framed. He's built like a swimmer in this movie. He looks great. It's huge.
Starting point is 00:30:29 He could have been a superhero. A couple things about Mo Dean that I find very interesting. Offered Maverick and Top Gun. Offered that before Tom Cruise. Turned it down. And has talked about it since because he disagreed vehemently with the film's Cold War politics.
Starting point is 00:30:47 Sure. I get it. Yeah. Which I think, I get it. I see it. It's just hilarious that four years later he's in Pacific Heights. He's like, I don't agree with the Cold War politics, but tenant rights, it's a passion.
Starting point is 00:31:01 He plays the defense secretary and Sicario Day of the Soldado. So I think he's loosened up a little bit. Where he asks Josh Brulin to kidnap a cartel king's daughter. So changed his mind there. His interviews are really great. He really offers a lot.
Starting point is 00:31:20 This was from 1990-O-8 times. Now I feel like he's going to come at us. I like Modin. I don't want him to be mad at us. I like him too. I feel like he's a friend. It's like how I'd make fun of Joe House. Modine Sunday nights with Bill.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Yeah, we do some Sunday nights with us. Maybe he could come on and do a next thing with you. I would love it. I like Modin. Here's what he says. Say it one more time. I think everybody will believe me. I feel like you grew up with Modin. Bill, like he came up together. He's like family.
Starting point is 00:31:48 It's like a cousin. You're up there on that. I like Bobby. I get it. I get it. The reason I was interested in Pacific Heights was that we as a society call ourselves civilized.
Starting point is 00:31:59 And we live together in community. In that community, we make rules where we say we won't take advantage of each other. We won't think that another individual is taking advantage of us. We tried to get in the benefit of the doubt. And there's always some kind of person or group who takes advantage of the goodness and kindness of the society. And then he goes into talking about divers in Acapulco. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:20 I think he'd be an incredible podcast. I bet. Very eloquent, thoughtful. We active on Twitter. He was just recently tweeting about the pegboard scene was real in Vision Quest. I love that. And it was a really cool backstory. Like, he'll tell the stories.
Starting point is 00:32:34 He's out there. This movie was written by Daniel Pine based the screenplay on several stories he heard from tenants in San Francisco pre-unnernet. And then it was directed by John Schlesinger. Yeah. Who this was the tail end of the career here. Yeah. But he did our beloved marathon man. He did?
Starting point is 00:32:51 Yeah. Did Sunday Bloody Sunday? Midnight Cowboy. He did Midnight Cowboy way, way back when. Falcon and the Snowman This is not America No
Starting point is 00:33:01 This is not And he did the believers I will say that For Schlesinger This movie has I mean Sam Peck and Paul Did Straw Dogs in the 70s But this has like some roots
Starting point is 00:33:13 In like Some of those 70s movies You would see Where it was like nerdy couple Get taught a lesson About the real world By rule outlaws
Starting point is 00:33:21 Kind of thing This is a little bit different It's like More of like a sociopathic con man but it's still like two people starting their lives thinking like let's just take the plunge and buy a 750,000 Victorian and Carter Hayes teaches him.
Starting point is 00:33:36 There's some good directing moments in this movie though. Like even when Carter Hayes is going to check back in the hotel and they're like, you know, credit cards, they worked and your wife. And the camera's like going around him and the chancellor from 902 and O for like, it's really really good. That guy, the dad for risky business.
Starting point is 00:33:56 But it's some good craftsmanship. The only thing I wanted to mention that I think is important is this is like right in the yuppie era. Ah. This is we've talked about it. This is late yuppie? Yeah, it's late yuppie. It's because they filmed this in 89. So we're talking, we talked about during the Wall Street podcast of, you know, greed is good.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Let's try to make a buck. It's, it's Reagan's the president. It's, how do I become rich? How do I turn a profit? this was, like them trying to buy this building. It's not like they restore the building, but they restore it just because it's a chance to maybe make some money from it.
Starting point is 00:34:35 And the ending is really interesting when there's this other couple that comes in, and they want to buy it. It's like, well, it's $900,000 now and they're going to turn it in. But it was kind of the mentality back then, and I don't think it's the mentality now. So if you're in your 20s
Starting point is 00:34:49 and you're watching this now, Craig, yeah, you'd be like, what the fuck's wrong with these people? the idealism back then was just much more pure than it is now we're just too cynical now you know well it was everyone was told you you you will buy a house and then it's an airtight investment and then you will live in it for a long time and then make a ton of money when you sell it and you're guaranteed that and that's what they're doing here did you guys like when the that last scene you're talking about bill when that by the way that guy is that guy's the dad from friday night lights um did you find yourself doing the math a lot in this movie like i was trying to figure out the
Starting point is 00:35:24 finances. Did they put 3% down? I don't know. Back then you could put zero down. You could like they I've never heard of somebody buying a house for $750,000 but then living month to month with the rent. It's like if we miss one month rent, we could lose this whole thing.
Starting point is 00:35:41 It's like, I'm not sure how that works when you buy a house. We'll just fudge the numbers a bit. Everybody does it. Yeah. Yeah. And then they sell it at the end. We don't know, but maybe somewhere in the high 800s and they paid mid-sevice put at least $50,000 into it. Like they make money for sure. but it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not walk away money yeah no retirement money no weird times 102 minutes Greg not bad right there you feel it just flies by sure I could have actually used maybe two
Starting point is 00:36:06 more I could use a little bit more Beverly Deangelo oh let's go come on with Ann you know honestly I could have used a rugby scene I don't there you go yeah I could have watched modine playing rugby rugby and I could have used a lot more Greg you know the guy the guy who's helping him destroy the apartment oh yeah I could have used a little sexual tension scene between Keaton and Griffith. They shot that and left it on the cutting room floor.
Starting point is 00:36:29 He touches her hand. They look at each other for a moment. He intuitively understands her pain from losing her child. We needed something there to be like, is there a little bit there? I had this for later in the movie. I think the movie's,
Starting point is 00:36:39 he goes heel immediately, right? He's in the house. All of a sudden, the weird guys in there. Carter's in Seattle. There's no scene where he's kind of charming them in and he's like,
Starting point is 00:36:51 hey, I brought you guys a glass of one. Well, why don't we have it together? and then they have a glass of wine. He's got a program. He goes to the bathroom. He kind of looks at her legs. Like, we're just missing that, fortunately.
Starting point is 00:37:02 Like, just a, you know, leg shot. It's kind of salivating a little bit. 18 million dollar budget made $55 million, Kyle Brandt. 55 million, and it was all worth it. I have to revisit something that Chris just said. You imagine you go to this movie and you buy a ticket and you get an idea what it's about.
Starting point is 00:37:18 All right, it's Michael Keaton, something to do with real estate. You sit down. And in the first 60s, second, you're like, holy shit, is this Ellen Griswold's boobs in my face? What the hell is this? Uncredited, Beverly DeAngelo out of the clouds with full, like, full nude, like, all-timer. You must have been blown away in the theater watching that. I was re-watching it. I had it know what stage the best.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Top. I know you did. Top ten. Sure. Yes. Actresses we've had. Yes. He's like, hey, Beverly, you know, we can't. side PG-13 or R. Do you just want to
Starting point is 00:37:58 want to film one take where we just we go for it? Sure. Let's go. If it's okay with Michael. It's also one of the earliest ever moments in a movie
Starting point is 00:38:09 for the, okay, motherfucker! Like we're going to kick this up a notch. And what's so great about that is that that's Pacino saying okay, motherfucker, and eventually he was in on that. Right.
Starting point is 00:38:19 Yeah, that's true. They had a kid together. They sure did. Yeah, I googled, I googled, I was thinking this should be a category. Things I Google as I'm prepping the rundown for rewatchables, but I googled Beverly DeAngelo nude scenes. Because I couldn't remember how many times she had devil.
Starting point is 00:38:38 On that iPad or this iPad? No, I was on this iPad. And all this research came up of her nude scene in vacation, which apparently she was like, fuck it, I'll do it. And there was this whole story about Anthony Michael Hall getting in trouble because he tried to sneak on to the set. When she was doing it. Which I don't think came up in our research
Starting point is 00:38:57 when we did rewatched was initially. And then they had to kick him off the set because he was basically 14 years old. Like filming Porkies? Yeah. Trying to watch through of people. Roger Ebert, two stars. You know who's not a fan of, from Helmont?
Starting point is 00:39:13 The late Roger Ebert. He finds these movies. Yeah, he's just to test these movies. Pacific Heights is a horror film for yuppies in which the bad guy uses the axe to attack your three flat, not you. The thing is that I could easily see this being the premise of the Hitchcock movie.
Starting point is 00:39:30 I mean, even down to the setting, but the idea of being terrorized in your own house seems like something that was ready made for him. And then Roger would be like, ah, the master. I never much liked the young couple or believe they liked each other. There you go. And I didn't see enough of Keaton in the early stages of the movie
Starting point is 00:39:44 because he was always behind a closed door. Fair criticism. That is true. I was going to do this later. I'll do it now. This would have been a great De Palma movie. Yes. For sure.
Starting point is 00:39:55 I think you ramp up the sexuality all the way through. I think you recast Melinda Griffith or Tower. Can you go into body double mode here? He would be doing all this stuff like going between walls. Yeah, yeah. It's like Drake and Patty are humping. Carter's listening, you know? There's definitely a Carter sneaks in and is watching when they're having sex scene.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Yeah. Carter makes Anne come over but calls her Patty. It's just like it would be. so twisted. All kinds of shit. See, I would take that and I would just go one notch higher
Starting point is 00:40:24 with Fincher and then it's getting really dark. Oh, like panic room crossing himself on Earth. I don't know if I can handle Fincher with the roaches. I just think he would do
Starting point is 00:40:32 something really gross. We're going to take a break. We're to come back with most rewatchable scene and I had a surprising amount of them. Most rewatchable scene. Kyle mentioned the sheer thrill of seeing Mrs. Griswold
Starting point is 00:40:45 getting it on a minute in this movie. Congrats to her. Bill, one year after Christmas vacation, in which she spends the entire Christmas Eve with this like center cut bosom busting thing. And you're like, God, she's so attractive and cool. 10 seconds into the movie just lying around naked. The 13-year-old me went crazy. Also, she's just covered in her own cigarette smoke. Just smoke it and wearing a kimono the entire movie.
Starting point is 00:41:08 It's coming out of her nostrils constantly. It's almost like she's wearing a reverse oxygen mask or something, just spitting out. Smoke. Most of the watchful scene, I love a good house renovation scene going right into a super awkward rental scene with a perspective of Black Tenet. Have you ever done...
Starting point is 00:41:28 That's really, really interesting from a 1990 perspective? For sure. And then winds up being a real... Be really, really interesting. Chekhov's Black Tenet. But have you ever done your own demo work? No.
Starting point is 00:41:39 No. What are you talking about? I'm just curious. Sledgehammer, gloves. If you've ever gotten the hammer out and just... Look at these hands. No. Chris, of you?
Starting point is 00:41:47 Look at your own. Look at these baby's soft hands on my. Yeah. These hands are soft as a baby's bottom. I thought Chris maybe that place where you guys stopped paying rent. Yeah. I used to have calluses here. That's it.
Starting point is 00:42:00 I thought I didn't have like back in Boston or your first L.A. house. You were like, yeah, let's take this wall down. No. Let's open this place up a little. I didn't think that. That's a no. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:42:10 I just get the run around so much. Mm-hmm. Oh, bad for that guy. Yeah, Carl Lowe. He was also Carl Lumberer, maybe a little too agro initially, but I get it. You're right under that place. Yeah. Also, I'm putting the, I'm not putting it under the door.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Yeah. My lease application. It's in a, it's in a manila envelope, attention, whatever. Drake and Patty could have just been a little bit more on the same page about who is handling applications and who is doing what. They weren't on the same page in this entire movie. Kyle mentioned this scene already. Keating comes in, asks a bunch of questions. This is your first place.
Starting point is 00:42:44 How about if I pay $2,000 now? Actually, I'll wire you everything from my bank in St. Antonio. Works in like a speed bag in this scene. Bank in St. Antonio. Because I know. It sounds so made up. And there's twin scenes.
Starting point is 00:42:57 He works the idiot, Drake. And then he gets the smart girl. And he's doing that thing where he's like, did you pick out these light fixtures? And then there's this shot where he gives her a quick up and down in the body. And he's like, you've got great taste. It's a great scene. I love that one.
Starting point is 00:43:12 I work for a private trust. I don't really have a traditional kind of credit. Sure. This is up there. What? I was thinking about like... Who would buy this? How stupid do you have to be?
Starting point is 00:43:21 Maybe he had CTE from the rugby? This is a very like, what's the most 1990 thing, but like it's the idea of being like I work for a private trust. It's based in San Antonio. You're not going to get a usual credit history. It's up there with like, I'd love to do this, but I just have to move some money around. Sure, yeah. Take out your phone and move the money around. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:42 Yeah. Motherfucker, come back with that money's move. Sounds like she lives in Canada. I met her at Niagara Falls. I thought the same thing. Like, what's the Mount Rushmore of, yeah, you wouldn't know her. Ever lay anybody around here?
Starting point is 00:43:55 He says, I'm always running into this problem, you know? Yeah, I bet you are. Carter Hayes. What do we think about Carter Hayes and Drake Goodman his names? I think they're supposed to be anonymous because Danforth keeps moving through identities.
Starting point is 00:44:10 So I think it's like an easy, it's an easy name to like replicate until I get... What ringer podcast would Carter Hayes host? Oh, straight lacrosse, dude. That's an AI lax name right there if I ever heard one.
Starting point is 00:44:24 It's like, we've gotten rid of Danny Hyfitz in the fantasy football show. We've replaced it with Carter Hayes and Drake Goodman. If Carter Hayes started doing some town episodes? He's a billionaire now.
Starting point is 00:44:40 This is my favorite scene in the movie and just because it makes me laugh so hard, It immediately turns you against Drake Goodman for the rest of the movie and he becomes the bad guy. When they're talking about Mr. Baker, how he came in, the perspective of black tenant. And he goes, I don't know, maybe he's one of those minority scam artists. That was a weird, agro racist term. Is this a new category for us, the Drake Goodman Award for most unexpected casual racism?
Starting point is 00:45:06 No, no, it's not a racial thing. It's common sense. That guy is so excited to vote for Bush. What was that, Kyle? He watches himself saying, I have a lot of black friends, honey. Like, it's right there. To be fair, he does. His only friend is black.
Starting point is 00:45:21 He does. That's true. Yeah. That's true. It's weird because he's both racist, but they're running the other apartment to a Japanese couple and his only friend is black. So why are you being a racist? Yeah. It's just bizarre.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Drake Goodman, racist kite maker. That should be under character in the impressions. Sorry, you'll never get one of these kites. Yeah, I don't trust this guy. She's Mexican. I'm just a kite maker. I just call him like I see it. We need it about a World Cup show.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Drake of him in the first Sicario. It's like, yeah, finding him would be like finding a vaccine for a disease. I was saying about a World Cup show. Ecuador, typical. That's just basically Alexi Lawless. It kind of is. Oh, man. Carter somehow gets into the place
Starting point is 00:46:21 is my next rewatchable scene. Yeah, this is my... This is tough because this is where they gave him an inch of daylight and he just is in. Yeah. Did they?
Starting point is 00:46:31 Well, because that's the great thing. Did he sign the lease? I guess he did. He says he signed a lease, but he's obviously not paid. He immediately changes the locks. He got in because somebody opened the door,
Starting point is 00:46:41 but their mistake was not locking the lower apartment. So again They're just so disorganized They got people moving in They have money problems We need this guy They don't have anybody
Starting point is 00:46:53 Watching the till Yeah and went to double over time Like there's a lot going on The kites are running behind schedule There was an intense scrum He was a part of I wanted to see her If she ran like the equestrian club like this
Starting point is 00:47:05 But there's just little kids riding on horses away from Some place in Malbu or whatever Hayes in the garage We go from he barely gets into he's in Seattle to now he's just smoking a cigarette in the dark in the garage.
Starting point is 00:47:23 Again, I feel like we're missing a scene, but I think this is a really good flipping the razor blades. It's like, okay. And this is 22 minutes into the movie. It's like, all right. We're not even going to like play the game and pretend we're buddies here. We're just going for it.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I looked for you guys that he's smoking that cigarette in the car with the windows off too. It's full psycho. He doesn't care. Yeah, that might as arguably be the most sociopathic thing he did in the movie. In a small Porsche coupe, too. That ain't invented. Because that car's going to fucking stink for
Starting point is 00:47:54 10 years after that. Also, just keeping roaches and jars is pretty nuts as well. Yeah, that's pretty very much. Next we'll see him, he changed the locks. Look, I can handle this, Patty. I know. This is where my wife, I wrote down her quote, he's acting
Starting point is 00:48:12 very irrational and it's bothering me. That was a direct quote from my Yeah, Patty needed to take the con here. She needs to take over. Patty needed to give him the veto Corleone. You can act like a man! Just like shake his shirt. He's just a mess at this point.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Next one, cockroaches, which leads to Drake climbing under the apartment at the perfect time where we get to hear the entire plot of the movie. Thanks to our two bad guys. They're just doing a podcast about their heist they're doing. But you brought me in on this. Yeah. The cats in there.
Starting point is 00:48:44 There's cockroaches that fall in the head. probably Modin's best moment in the movie. Those are 20 live cockroaches getting dropped. This is right when the cat gets taken, right? Yeah. When you and I have shared that in the 90s, earlier decades in American history, we had a little bit more of a transient,
Starting point is 00:49:04 like kind of a flippant relationship to house pets. Yeah. This is what we mean. You know, like when it's just like, you just get out of a cat. When he tells Patty they have our cat, she's just like, too bad. Doesn't get a shit.
Starting point is 00:49:16 Honestly, I was going to have Mallory as our fourth, and I just feel like she would have spent an hour and a half talking about the cat. Yeah. I just don't understand. They would have his own Instagram account. Yeah. Member of the family, we travel with it. Yeah. But he takes those bugs to the face like a champ.
Starting point is 00:49:32 I like that. She really does. It reminds me of like Kate Capshaw and Temple of Doom gets like bugs and centipedes all over her. It's like that. It's a good, cool moment. What if you had to say more impressive to you, the Pegs, Vision Quest, going to be a lot of, all the way up or the 20 cockroaches on the face. What did Modaid, what impressed you more from Modin?
Starting point is 00:49:53 The cockroaches to the face is like a bad like Joe Rogan Fear Factor episode. At that pegboard, I couldn't do that thing. Even when I was in high school, I think it's the pegboard by far. That thing is very hard, very hard. Yeah. Incredible stuff by Modin. He's a fucking legend. Carter brings the flowers over after making the police call just to get his ass kicked,
Starting point is 00:50:12 goes through the front door. We get a cry hug after Drake does the beating. And then we get the lawyer going, this is what he wanted. Game over. Drake loses. She's just given them the basics at all time. God help us if this becomes personal. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:50:27 So good. Fight scene. Any thoughts, Kyle? I do. Yeah, I have some thoughts. First of all, I had this unanswerable questions. Incredible job baiting the hook with the preemptive police call. What is Carter's play if Goodman doesn't take the bait?
Starting point is 00:50:43 In other words, he's mad, but like he's not beating him up. Do you just keep kind of riding them and do you have some burners? If you pull at this, like, yes. I mean, my unanswerable questions are similarly based on Kyle. But, like, I don't know what he does if Drake's just like, okay, well, I tried. You know, like. Now, see, I think he studied this man, this idiot, Drake Goodman for weeks on end. He saw him get excited by just the sight of $3,000.
Starting point is 00:51:08 This is like Brunson in Game 5 with Wembe. Just like, I've solved this 7 foot 6 free. I've got it. I'm just going to beat him off the dribble. going to buy every fake I have and then I'm going to score on him anyway. I think he had some heavy artillery ready to some sound bites or maybe some gestures. He was going to get him to punch him one way or another. Once he found out about the rugby, he's like, this guy's going to punch me.
Starting point is 00:51:30 This guy plays rugby on Sundays. He would just be like, rugby. It's not a real sport. God damn it! Every rugby player is just a failed football player, right, Drake? And then the punches would start. Drake gets shot? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Yeah. This was a whoa. I like the camera, too, where Keaton comes, Keaton turns off the lights and is in the background. Great shot. Yeah. Do you think, I had this for unanswerable. Do you think he meant to kill him or just?
Starting point is 00:51:59 No, I think he meant to maim him. Because I think the entire point is that... He wants to take his identity or what? The first con is supposed to be, I will basically get this house as payment for the debts that they're going to owe me, right? Yeah. The civil complaint that I have. And then he's just going to sell the house for nothing, like,
Starting point is 00:52:18 and make, like, whatever the profit is for that. But then I think as it goes on, it becomes more of an identity theft thing. What do you think, Kyle? Well, I think, yeah, he shoots him by accident and then he plants the crowbar. But I'm glad Chris said that because I think even watching it now as an adult, it's a little hazy exactly what Carter's end game is. I've watched it. I'm like, what is the plan?
Starting point is 00:52:40 Like, he strips the apartment, and I think maybe he sells all the light fixtures and the tile or something. Yeah. Like I think he, for him, it's like all cash business. I just need moving around money. But I don't know that he is like, this score will set me up. Like, I think he's addicted to like being on the run and addicted to this kind of terror. I have the answers.
Starting point is 00:53:00 What do you got? He destroys the place because he's a fucking sociopath who smokes cigarettes with the windows up in his car. He fully intends to win a civil suit against Drake and get the house. Yeah. And then he'll just flip the house. But not like then start at life there. He's going to flip.
Starting point is 00:53:15 No, he's going to flip it and move to the next city. Right. Yeah. There's just like way easier ways of making $200,000. I know. Definitely. You have to get the shit kicked out of you. Look at Patty.
Starting point is 00:53:25 She's a fucking equestrian teacher. Right. Do something. Fly some kites. Patty's seeing that Carter destroyed the place. Yeah, she's really upset about it. It's a good scene. All of her light fixtures.
Starting point is 00:53:39 It's Melian Griffith's best work in the movie, followed by her meeting the tenant that she's. didn't rent to because her boyfriend is a casual racist. My favorite part of the movie, Patty Spies on Carter for the Day and somehow gets into his hotel room. This is 15, 10 minutes, whatever it is. I wish there was like three more things like this. Honestly, this could have been the whole movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:02 She does like the full Kevin McAllister. I'm just going to order everything to room service. Fischi Sui. Give me the Caesar. Cremberle. She's like having a shopping spree. And it's as your audience, you've been waiting for 90 minutes for this. It's very satisfied.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Craig's nodding happily. I know that he loves this part. Best scene in the movie. This is easily the most rewatchable scene. The whole thing with the maid, do you find it a little ridiculous that Carter keeps his entire biography and newspaper clippings in a suitcase?
Starting point is 00:54:29 Well, we've learned it from Helmut that everybody does that. That was fatal attraction, created it. And now that's just, if you're in from Helmut, you have to keep the scrapbook. But you know what it remind me of was Gene Triplehorn's move in the firm
Starting point is 00:54:40 where she goes down to the Caymans with a... Oh, with Avery. Yeah. Avery. And, like, I thought it would have been great if Patty was like, Carter, you're the fucking man. Take me with you on your next score. And, like, tried to seduce him a little bit. But, you know, basically it was always just trying to build a case against him.
Starting point is 00:54:57 That's for the Apple scripted series. That's going to happen from this. I learned that from this scene. The maid always let you in in any movie. If you try this in real life, they're like, I'm sorry, sir. I can't do that. You're going to have to go back down. Her excuse is, like, I can't get in a movie.
Starting point is 00:55:14 in my room. It's like, you're in the 10th floor, just go down and get a fucking key. Also, what's the... The maid always falls for it to the movies. Like, what is with her leaving, then taking back, then leaving a little bit of cash for the maid?
Starting point is 00:55:27 Is she trying to decide how much Carter owes her versus the maid? I think she was like, I'll do a good deed for this lady. And then she's like, oh yeah, we're broke. I'm about to lose my house. I do think that's it,
Starting point is 00:55:36 which is such a weird thing to add. She's like, well, I want to give the maid to all of the money. What is she going to do with it? She's a good person. Yeah. Bill, this is like,
Starting point is 00:55:43 This is one of those things that happens in movies and not in real life. Like when you go into a bar and say, I'll have a beer. You have to say the name of the beer. I recently had this in a hotel like six months ago where I was locked out and I asked the maid. I was like, can you please let me in? Here's my ID. Here's everything. And this lady was going to war.
Starting point is 00:55:58 No matter what I said, she would not let me in. It's a fireful fence. Yeah. Any hotels can be like, you're fired if you better. Definitely. You got to go downstairs. Yeah. I don't have.
Starting point is 00:56:07 I can't let you in. Yeah. I know. I like that. I like when people go nuts in a bad guy's hotel. room, which she does when they flip out. The scrapbook of his evil work is especially good. It's probably the best scrapbook we've had.
Starting point is 00:56:22 There's perfectly cut newspaper clippings. Hey, here's when I lost out the family estate to my brother. It's just like so weird because it's like if you're Carter, it's not like you've forgotten what you've done. You have all these pictures. Here's me and my twin brother and a chimpanzee. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:40 That's probably when he started losing his mind. And also, listen, you have Tom Seismore calls guys slick in prison changing the entire plot of the movie and you have... Jim Danforth unlocks the entire thing. Come on. He left the scrap back with his real name on the back
Starting point is 00:56:56 in the middle of the trashed apartment. That's like the slick equivalent here. I like when she takes the chocolate. Yeah. Oh, she earned that chocolate. That whole scene is just great. Then the final fight scene. You cross the line.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Yeah. The nail gun. Very scary. Call back to the nail gun. Very scary. It just had stopped working for her. And then we get the Allen Rickman. There's Bruce Willis right there.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Staring. Bruce Willis staring at CR. Just looking, staring him down. We get the fall backwards. Even though he's just in a kitchen. Yeah. Going backwards. Just put your hands behind you.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Our guy, Matthew Maudit, another interview he did, What's he got now? Come on. I think the movie would have made a load more money if at the end, when Michael Keaton fell in the spikes, if he'd started to pull himself up and I'd reached up from where I was below him and pulled him back down onto them because he shot me, he's beaten me in the golf club, he's ruined my life, he's destroyed my apartment. The audience really wanted my character, Drake Goodman, to get one back at him. To be fair to him, man, I all do respect to Matthew Mourty.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Go on. Do you think anyone in the history of movie going would be like, yeah, it was a pretty good movie until the very end when Drake Goodman finally double impales him and everybody's like, I got to go out and see that for myself. I'll go further. I would make a load more money because of that. I think more people would have wanted Drake Goodman to die at the end of the movie.
Starting point is 00:58:29 I wish he had died from the golf club meeting. I hate Drake Goodman. Yeah. I guess I should say this now. My weak link of the film, I think Carter's death is fucking horrible. I think the whole scene is so lame. You do get Chekhov's nail gun, but you don't get it killed with it.
Starting point is 00:58:47 And can we just, can we walk through what Drake's plan was here? He's just been beaten with a golf club and his bullet wounds. He's going to go underneath the room in the chance that there's some glory hole he can reach through and do a Brazilian leg lock to trip him. And that final shot is like something that Nordberg would do. It looks ridiculous. I think the last scene is bad. It's the worst part of the movie.
Starting point is 00:59:10 I agree. They didn't know how to end it. I also think he's kind of holding onto his leg and Keaton's looking down. Just kick your leg. Yeah. Stop his fingers. He's really injured. Yeah, just like hurt his arm.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Keaton's like, whoa! Has no idea how to react. It's like they shot Keaton thinking he was going to fall out a window. But then the actual reality is he just falls under the floor. It would have been better if he just put his hand up and tripped them. And then he felt like face. first on the thing.
Starting point is 00:59:39 It fell through the floor down to Modin or something. It would have been amazing. Imagine Hans Gruber instead of falling 50 stories just fell down on the ground and died. That's what it is.
Starting point is 00:59:48 What if like, you know, Drake was hiding underneath the floor and then he just lets a kite out at the last second. Oh, yeah. He's got a kite with razor blades on it. I'm always upset that nobody says anything
Starting point is 00:59:59 in this final moment. Yeah, I know. Like he's a lot, Carter's alive for 20 seconds staring at you. Like, that's when you get in your line.
Starting point is 01:00:06 That's when you put a cockroach on his face. Or you got to just be like, like you're evicted. Yeah. Yes. We've rejected you. Your rent is past due.
Starting point is 01:00:16 Yeah. Say goodbye to that security deposit asshole. It's perfect. Honey, call the angry black guy. We have a vacancy. Hotel room is the best scene. That's the most rewatch. No-brainer.
Starting point is 01:00:35 What's the most 1990 thing about this movie, Kyle Brant? you know, sometimes when you're just lying on the couch, riddled with bullet wounds, you just need to bang out some Soundgarden on MTV and just turn it the fuck up, and it'll just take you where you need to go. I self-satisfied, and that seems like, I'm just cozy. Yeah. And it's just, it's rocking out early Soundgarten. It's this song called Hands All Over.
Starting point is 01:01:00 It's metal as hell. He should be watching, like, Price is Right or something. Like, no, MTV Soundgarten, like, turned up to 11. It makes me so happy. Yeah, an MTV video of a grunge song that they probably wouldn't have played in 1989 or 1990, I'm guessing. I don't think that one's playing. What's your favorite? Just all the banking and tenant application stuff waiting for wire transfers.
Starting point is 01:01:21 And then also, this has now become a tenant from hell movies, letters of reference. Again, it's just like, hey, I have this letter of reference. Well, it's airtight. We better just get this guy in the apartment. Well, how about here's a phone number of my previous. landlord. It's just some lady having a cigarette. Yeah, Carter's great. Yeah, I had to give him money to
Starting point is 01:01:44 just be here, yeah. You don't have an address for him, do you? That's a red flag. I also had Drake being kind of blown away by Carter having a car alarm. Oh, yeah, that was really impressive. He's just like, whoa. He dunked on him. Are you from the future?
Starting point is 01:02:04 I had buying a huge San Francisco three-story house for 750,000 although 1.9 million adjusted for today's money. Ebert calling this a horror film for yuppies. Anyone working for a designer kite company, I feel like that has to specifically be
Starting point is 01:02:21 1989 or 90. That's real like Earth Day kind of vibes. You know, like we're just going to go outside to the park. Not being able to Google your bad guy tenant. I feel like, I'm just going to check out this Carter Hayes, see if there's anything online. And then Melanie's haircut. Yeah. Come on.
Starting point is 01:02:39 It's just... Come on, Bill. You waited long enough. Let's do it. It's very specific to that 89.90. It's... I want some life in it. It's like a bob. My wife kind of liked it. But it's kind of a bob.
Starting point is 01:02:53 I don't know if it exists two years later. I think she goes shorter. Yeah. And it's just very specific to that era. And I don't know why. Or her clothes in general are very late 80s, 1990-ish. I'm so excited. This is my favorite category.
Starting point is 01:03:07 the Floyd Gondalee butter on my ass Lollipops on my mouth award for something I just enjoy. I'll go first. Okay. I love in movies like this when people do over the top rich guy stuff
Starting point is 01:03:23 and it's like the most cliched rich guy thing you could possibly do. In this case, Carter Hayes on his next score picks up the wealthy later in this giant mansion. What are we going to do? An idea.
Starting point is 01:03:37 I'm going to put a sweater over my shoulders. I have a yacht, a little three-hour yacht trip, and let's drink some champagne and just seem super rich together. But nobody in the planet does this in real life. Not one. In a movie, though, great. Champagne, yacht trip. Captain, take us out.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Yeah, I've got my sweater around my shoulders. Hold on, I'm going to make sure my sweaters. Nobody does this, Kyle. They definitely had lobster and caviar, too. No question. That's what you do back of the day. Lifestyles of the rich and famous. No question.
Starting point is 01:04:06 What's yours? Great, grateful. First of all, I haven't thought about anything for the last five minutes than ways that Carter Hayes could suffer a kite death. That's all I want in life. I feel like maybe there could have been like a key or something like Benjamin Franklin, like another famous kiter. That's all I want was a cart debt. Floyd Gondoli, things I just enjoy. I really enjoy Orkin's presence in this movie.
Starting point is 01:04:30 Bob, the sidekick of the Joker and the Batman movie shows up and this is probably in half-ass internet. the Orkin Company sued in how they were portrayed in this movie because I have this vision that there's like a VP of marketing who goes to the CEO and's like, sir, I really think we should write the check for this Matthew Modin movie.
Starting point is 01:04:48 I think we want to be in it. They go to the premiere. They're sitting there like, here's the scene, here's the roaches. Here it comes. And then it's this idiot, bumbling Barney five moron. Who's like, I guess I have to step on them.
Starting point is 01:04:59 They can't do anything. And then I feel like the Orkin people went to the premiere and at the after party. They were at the same table as the Marriott people. And Marriott people were like, this movie was great.
Starting point is 01:05:09 We love how we were portrayed. The front desk guy, the roof service guy. Yeah. The manager with all the balls to stand up to the, we love it, and the Orkin people were furious.
Starting point is 01:05:18 That gives me great amusement. It's pretty good. It is, yeah. What was that guy? Tracy Walter, he's in Repo Man, he's in Batman, yeah. He's in the South of the Lambs,
Starting point is 01:05:28 performing an autopsy. He's been around. That's right. Yeah, he's one of those guys. What do you have? Oh, just any movie where a car pulls up to the top of the hill in San Francisco as it's going home to like,
Starting point is 01:05:40 it's just like those shots of those hills are just always like, this movie can be about anything. Woodsage is the best other than anyone asking a trusty maid to let them into a hotel room. That isn't theirs. Always works. I always get excited when it happens.
Starting point is 01:05:55 It never can happen in real life. What do you have for what's age the best, Kyle? I already kind of mentioned that Patty is just so much smarter than Drake. I like that. Yeah. And he's like a total dick to her. and she just sees over it. And then on the same related note,
Starting point is 01:06:07 I just want to give some respect to Melanie Griffith's jeans in this movie. They're like the fourth lead of the film. They're up to her armpits. They're belted. They're frosted. I can't take my eyes off them. Her final shot in the movie
Starting point is 01:06:20 is up the stairs walking away. It's just fantastic. And I love her jeans in this movie. G-E-N-E-N-S. That's right. I would say it's the best. Probably just the idea of like the beta-tri-
Starting point is 01:06:34 trying to fight the alpha, like Drake being pit against a guy who has everything that he doesn't and everything comes more easily to that guy. A rugby beta? Yeah, rugby beta with a con man alpha. So I really enjoyed that. I have music by Hans Zimmer. Hell yeah. Hans is like, yeah, I'm not doing anything that week.
Starting point is 01:06:53 I could whip something together. Evil tenant movie? Okay. I'll work on it. Casual rental racism coming back to burn a landlord. Yeah. So what's age the best? scrapbook with someone's evil past
Starting point is 01:07:05 I had for another Beverly DeAngel nude scene it's like Devin Hester with kickoff touchdowns it's like he did it again 98 yards and this was like the Super Bowl because he does it on the first play
Starting point is 01:07:18 like right out of the gate and Jim Nance can't believe and he's gone How many times can he do this? You don't kick to Hester Oh that's great Bev's smoking a head for UCR Yeah
Starting point is 01:07:30 A positive spin for the most part of being a landlord. Usually landlords and movies are evil people. They're evil landlords. Yeah. They're as characters, he's like, ah, the fucking landlord, or he's creepy or he's spying in them. It's like a stepmother. It's always evil. Right.
Starting point is 01:07:47 Tippyhedron as Tipyhedron as Florence Peters. And that's Melanie Griffiths. Melanie Griffith's real life mom. And then I have, for what's age is the best? This exchange. Oh, that's a great idea, Patty. You're pregnant with a blown knee. My knee's
Starting point is 01:08:02 fine and I don't have to be pregnant. Oh, yeah. That's in the script. Yeah. But also like, Unbelievable. Patty threatening to go go pro again in equestrian riding, like, what kind of money are we talking? I know. You're going to make the mortgage?
Starting point is 01:08:19 The nationals are coming up. You don't know. It could be an Olympic sport any year now. The Stephen Segal shitting on himself forward for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. Kyle alluded to this earlier. Look, this is on the internet. I'm not positive, it's true, but I'm going to pass along anyway because it's great.
Starting point is 01:08:40 Modin stated during her presentation at the New York Film Academy that he experienced significant difficulty working with Melanie Griffith. He noted her frequent complaints regarding her menstrual cycle as a primary memory of their professional interaction. I don't know if that's true or not. It's so fucking weird that I just am passing along. I'm not judging. Maybe it's not true.
Starting point is 01:08:58 That's amazing is that around when Melanie Griffiths was shooting bonfire, the vanities. Okay. She complained openly about how difficult the production Pacific Heights was. Do you know how
Starting point is 01:09:08 fucked up Pacific Heights most have been to have been complaining about it during making bonfire of vanities? What happened during this movie? And then Keynes
Starting point is 01:09:16 like World War II. I'm not getting along with Melanie Griffith. Should you say that court about the menstrual cycle like in character as Drake Goodman? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:09:28 I hope that's not true. Maybe it's not true. I'm going to pass it. Just for comedy's sake, that's it. Sure. Again, the Steven Segal category is like, we don't know if that happened where he's shit on himself,
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Starting point is 01:10:25 Yes, do it. I know what it is. The random 360 dolly shot of Patty and the lawyer having a pretty normal conversation. And when Lori McKaff and Melanie Griffith are just like, yeah, well, this guy is going to try and get you out of the house, because that's what he does. He tries to win. And meanwhile, the fucking camera is going around and around. Like, it's like they just found
Starting point is 01:10:45 Jake Lamata there. It's really... You love Settledown Juice. Yeah. That's good one. I like that. I have this written down that if one of these guys chooses the 360 shot for the Great Shot Gordo, we're going to fight. I hate that shot. I feel like I'm on a carnival ride. I get sick. And they're treating this banal
Starting point is 01:11:01 conversation like it's a Pichino in the ocean and the insider like just screaming into the phone. It's like the drama doesn't match the shot. Easy. The only time it works is when Keaton's flipping out at the end of the hotel manager because he's flipping out and they start moving around. Yes, but I agree. The other one
Starting point is 01:11:18 didn't work. I had the ice cube falling in the hotel glass. Oh, that was awesome. I thought it was a really good one where it flips as she's going out the door. It's just, I was impressed. Chess Walkwell, Brock Leander's a word, best character name. Carter Hayes? No, you guys got to dig
Starting point is 01:11:33 Goodman? You got to dig deeper here, guys. What do you got? What do you got, Chris? Court-appointed locksmith, Manfred Bagel. Oh, come on. That's his name? Do you imagine this guy's name's
Starting point is 01:11:43 high-endzel? That's the actor. And he's been in a bunch of Woody Allen movies or whatever, but you think he's like, gets a call and they're like, incredible. Hi, we need you to come play a court-appointed locksmith. And he's like, ah, for Christ's sakes, I don't know. And they're like, his name is Manfred Bagel.
Starting point is 01:11:59 And he's like, I'm there. What's my call time? That guy's nickname was Ungan or everything. The screenwriter was definitely eating a bagel when he wrote that character's name. He just had nothing. Well, there's something of the thing where they say Patty's last name a couple of times in the movie and then in the credits it's a different last name. Oh, for real?
Starting point is 01:12:17 Which I assume is just an oversight. Wait a second. Hold on. Is it possible that his name is bagel because he deals with locks? Maybe. Oh, it's like a nickname. Yeah. But the, like, the Marshall is very, like, official about, like,
Starting point is 01:12:31 He's like, ah, very official. Court-appointed locksmith, Manfred Bagel. He does everything. Kid Cutty Pursuit Happenance, so where Best Needle drop. Go ahead, Kyle. Well, I already mentioned Soundgarden. There's an awesome part where when Drake gets back to the house and the car is being taken apart and there's just this crazy heavy metal plane.
Starting point is 01:12:49 Yeah. I want to shout out to a band called Hallows Eve, an 80s thrash band from Atlanta who plays lethal tendencies, and it makes Drake even matter. It's like a trap that he walks in, that metal song, which, by the way, I know that song kind of music pretty well. I literally downloaded Shazam and held it to my TV because I couldn't find out what song that was. And it's like, oh, easy.
Starting point is 01:13:09 Lethal Tendencies, Hollow Z. Got it. My wife has been doing that to like random trance songs that are on like off-camera. She's like, what is this? And I'm like, it's like literally Muzac. What do you do? I wrote down, this is for later, but did this movie create grunch music CR?
Starting point is 01:13:23 No, but that's a good bit. Trey Goodman listening to Soundgarden. Was that it? This year been your hottest take. That was Ground Zero. He is, you could tell, he's starting to explore, like, I've got a scarf on, like, ironically. I think they moved to Seattle. You're probably right.
Starting point is 01:13:39 They really get into this. Well, Sound Garden, what? A year later, they're playing birth ritual on singles. Yeah. Like, they just beat it. Denethe's Benihano Award for Seenstallin Location and the Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate, where this house was. Do you think this house is a good piece of real estate? I like that.
Starting point is 01:13:56 I like that it's at the top of the hill like that. Because I think it's weird to live on those. steep hills. Did you know anybody who did that? No. My buddy's, uh, Bish and Mike and Hopper when they lived there, they lived like in the middle of a slanted hill. I always thought it was just weird. Yeah. I do want to mention the Beverly Hills House from the lady that his next mark. 1014 North Crescent, 30.3 million on Redfin right now. Yeah. How much?
Starting point is 01:14:22 30.3. Wow. I mean, it looks fucking huge. It was massive. It was massive. I immediately was... That's the fucking big, that's the white whale for Carter. He must be like, if I get a... this one. It's all over. I just like don't. So he's like in San Francisco trying to scam somebody into an apartment. And then he's also in L.A. trying to get a $30 million.
Starting point is 01:14:38 We likes to have two going. Yeah. And he's in Pondry's too. But he has to take his marks. Identity to go after her. Yeah. Okay. It's like you always want to have the next one going.
Starting point is 01:14:48 Yeah. It's like Sam Presti. You got like two trades going at once. Could this movie have had a better title? Well, it could. It would have been the tenant, but Roman Polanski made that movie. Broken Lease?
Starting point is 01:15:00 he never breaks it I just I think it's eviction Pacific Heights what percentage of the viewing populace even knows what Pacific Heights is in reference to it's very vague safety deposit I have the winner
Starting point is 01:15:15 it's off of what Kyle just said eviction quest Oh yeah It's good It's an unofficial vision quest sequel Eviction quest A CRIE of a flex category There's a Jesse Eisenberg
Starting point is 01:15:29 That's good you should be proud of that right there. Don't worry if you don't make it any further reward for the best line reading is when Keaton first meets Modin and he's like, I spoke to your wife about the studio apartment. He goes, oh, my girlfriend, he's like, sorry, we don't want to rush anything, do we? It's a really good line reading.
Starting point is 01:15:45 But my actual flex is to turn it back to you guys. It's the Van Lathen. How would Van Lathen get out of this one? Usually this is sex-adjacent. But how would you guys handle this? Carrie comes to you and she's like, you know, it's going to be lonely without Ben here. Let's get a tenant.
Starting point is 01:16:04 Next thing you know, he's changed the locks. Like, what's your first move? I think it's a lot easier now with camera phones. Okay. Like, part of the problem is they can't capture the drilling at 2.30 in the morning. And I think we also have more awareness of what to do as the landlord in this. Yeah. If they're in there and they're not paying, I feel like you could immediately get the police in.
Starting point is 01:16:28 if he hasn't paid anything and it didn't seem like he had a signed lease he signed the lease but it was all predicated on like I'm gonna sign the lease I'm gonna send you six months right that's why he was legally that's why he had the rights to live there
Starting point is 01:16:42 because he signed the lease yeah and he was just like oh there's a problem there's a mix up at the bank if you if your bill I feel like you gotta bring in like a big Dom security guy who just sits out
Starting point is 01:16:51 every time he comes home he's like hey Carter where's that money yeah this is this is where I bring in Gahau. Okay. So, Kyle, how would you...
Starting point is 01:17:01 Like, Gahau, you got to handle... Oh, you got to do that. Cahow. Do your thing, man. Cahow's talking to a tenant right now. Kyle, how would you handle it? Does the tenant, Chris, just indulge me this. Does the tenant work for a private trust?
Starting point is 01:17:14 It's one that he cannot disclose who the private trust is for, yeah. Listen, the biggest idiot thing that they do is, they wait way too long to call the police. Yeah. The second, Greg is slamming the door in your face. We got to get the fucking cops here. You need a record of feuding. with the guy that you got to then go forward. Yeah. To answer your question, Chris, I would rather
Starting point is 01:17:32 have like reptile pets in my house than have an actual renter. So I don't think I'd be in this, but I'd call the police early if I did. Here's my thing. Yeah, what do you go? Kill him with kindness. Every night down there with a six-pack of and Christine being like, hey, Carter, I just want to know if you want to come upstairs.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Rick Ruchel's pitching. Giants are looking pretty good. Nope. Okay. See you tomorrow night. It'll be like Rick Moranus from Ghostbusters. Rugby championships are on. Hey, Carter, we're looking for a for my rugby team. No, no, okay.
Starting point is 01:18:03 All right, well, I'll talk to you later, bud. I would just act like me and Carter were best friends. You know what you do, Chris? You're going to have a Weber grill, too, and you can put some ribs on there out front. And Cardi, you want some? Medium rare.
Starting point is 01:18:16 Come out there, perfect. Making brats, Ronnie Lops, looking real good this season, Carter. Bring Greg, too. Screw it. Well, the other move is when he's not there, you just figure out of break into the place. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:26 which was a way better strategy than what he tried to do. Turning the lights off and the power off and all that, that's like the one no-no because now you're violating him. Now you're the bad guy. Couldn't you just get in, change the locks again? So then Keaton couldn't get back in? You could. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:40 And then you could say like, well, I don't, lease agreement, what do you mean? He's never paid me. Butch's girlfriend award for Weeklink of the film. So you already did yours, Kyle. Yeah, the last scene, his death scene sucks. But you know, it doesn't suck. Chris Ryan referencing Big Daddy Rick Russell of this. to Cisco Jocels. I loved Rick Russell.
Starting point is 01:18:59 Give up a home run to Bo in the All-Star game. What do you got, Bill? So Carter, Carter Hayes, I have him as the best six-inning starter ever as a villain in a movie. He can only throw 18 pitches. He looked unstoppable.
Starting point is 01:19:14 He's basically, he's going through six. People are texting each other, like you watch in Carter Hayes right now. 18 straight outs. 10 strikeouts, no walks. Like, this guy's on fire. fucking falls apart. In order,
Starting point is 01:19:29 he fucks up and shoots Drake. I still don't understand. He talked about that. He shot Drake and put the crowbar in his hand. But why? What did that get him? I think he's trying to drive Drake mad so that he is gone from the situation
Starting point is 01:19:44 and he can take over the house. Just kill him then. I didn't understand, though. He leaves the childhood photo behind. You're getting out of there. You have time to pack up. But you're leaving this incredible... clue. He moves to LA
Starting point is 01:19:57 and stupidly sends a postcard from his new hotel to his ex-girlfriend who's been looking for him who hates him. Yes. Do that. And then he becomes Drake Goodman in the hotel. Like, that's your second guess after his Carter Hayes here? No. I wonder
Starting point is 01:20:14 if he stole Drake's identity. Is Drake Goodman here? He sure is. Room 1030 would. I just I thought he played this perfectly and then it just fell apart. It's a bummer. Yeah. Bill, I'm looking at like like Mark Pryor for the Cubs in the Steve Bartman game, it just completely comes unglued.
Starting point is 01:20:30 When Carter Hayes is sprinting down the avenue of the stars chasing a cab, I feel bad for him. That's beneath him as a starter. You got to get him out of there at that point. Yeah, that's when he's now, he's like giving up Niner and runs. It's like, oh, my God, this got a no here. This is his ERA is going to go up.
Starting point is 01:20:45 Did you have a Wake Link or now? No, not really. I liked Lori Metcalf's performance, but I think it would have been cool to have, like, a harder charging lawyer. Like a little bit more aggressive. if maybe he gets killed by Carter. The Mallory Rubin Award I threw in for, did this movie need a better sex scene?
Starting point is 01:21:02 I'd take two more. I don't think this movie has enough sex in it. No. I really think they should have ramped it up. Carter should have brought some gal home to the destroy department one night. If you're going to throw that in in the first three minutes,
Starting point is 01:21:15 that can't be it. Yeah. Like you're trying to set a tone and then you're a PG-13 after that? Do you think they told Beverly DeAngelo, trust me, the whole movie is going to be like this? Well, why do, it's an unanswerable, but why did she demand to take her
Starting point is 01:21:28 name out of the credits? I thought that was weird. I don't know. Yeah, unbilled. She's in six scenes. She's like Kevin Spacey and seven. It's very strange. Yeah, she's like the fourth lead of the movie,
Starting point is 01:21:36 basically. But I, Bill, I, I zag on this, actually. I actually, it's like, did this movie need a worse sex scene? Because that sex scene is so good. I'd rather stay out in the desert with the two of them. Right.
Starting point is 01:21:50 Oh, yeah. Go back. Like first five minutes movie. I'm more intrigued by them. That's like the, They're out in white sands. I would love to know what was going on there. Yeah, that's pretty weird.
Starting point is 01:22:00 What's age is the worst? I thought the first scene, just in general, is pretty bizarre. Those guys come in, and they beat him up, but not really. He's fine. And what lesson did he learn? And why didn't they break his arm? I didn't get that. So are those people sent by the original Carter Hayes?
Starting point is 01:22:20 Like, those guys? Is the idea that he has stolen Carter Hayes' idea? his identity and now those guys are coming after him. But then he still won because he retained that apartment it appears. Does that scene need to be in the movie? It's almost more interesting if he just shows up. It shows how desperate he is.
Starting point is 01:22:37 It shows his lifestyle and it immediately gives you a little violence and sex. I kind of like the scene actually because it's confusing but it tells him he's mysterious. I would take more violence and maybe he shows up in his arms in a cast or something. Remember the shot at the very beginning of the movie? They're like two guys driving on the road.
Starting point is 01:22:53 Yeah. Yeah, that's the guys with the baseball bat. Oh, that's just the two guys. Yeah. They're going out to beat him up. Yeah. The photo of him and his brother and a chimpanzee. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:23:03 What's going on there? This is what's aged the worst? Yes. What's coming on there? I don't know. They look like they're in Neverland Ranch. It's a very strange photograph. Johnny, Charles,
Starting point is 01:23:15 hold on, pose with the chip. Yeah. When have you ever been in a situation where you can take a photo of the chimpanzee? At the end of the movie, what is he? Every would. way but loose. Carter's like,
Starting point is 01:23:24 I have responsibilities. I have to take care of my brother. What is that about? And his brother, it's established, took the estate and disowned him. Yeah. I thought that,
Starting point is 01:23:36 so that Shazam song you did, this is my other words age of worst. I just would have put in Dinosaur Jr. They're sitting right there. Let's get like a real band. They're not really famous yet. They need it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:48 You know, they have an album out that year. I thought that could have worked. What did you have? words? I think there's like some moments where Hans Zimmer is doing we have to save the Earth from an astronaut music when it's just like
Starting point is 01:24:00 these two guys are just like nailing two by fours. I don't think it's that traumatic. Yeah, darn two turned it down. And I thought the combined income of a couple made up of a kite maker and a horse riding instructor doesn't even get to the 20% down for the 750K.
Starting point is 01:24:17 So there must either been a family nest egg in there. I'd like to know which one of them was spending it. Yep. By the way, that would have been a good yuppie angle of like somebody's saying, I don't want to have to ask my mom for money. I mean, if you ask me, Drake Goodman screams family of lawyers,
Starting point is 01:24:32 he's going his own way. Right. What happened to Drake? I heard he graduated from Harvard. So, you know, kites are really taken off right now. Drake thought this luxury kite business. Oh, I thought he was going to be an attorney.
Starting point is 01:24:49 No, it's going on the kite route, big kite company. That's probably a seasonal business too. He loves kites. He's going to do another round of seed investing. If you're in for the series B, let me know. What do you have for what stage is the word? Is anything, Kyle?
Starting point is 01:25:04 I got a young woman named Patty. You just don't see that anymore. Yeah. I hate when realtor will bring you to a place that is over your stated price range. I think it's dirty pool. It happens here. Yeah. But most importantly, guys, is it entirely necessary to have Mr.
Starting point is 01:25:19 Watanabi doing Tai Chi in the real? rain in front of the bonsai trees. It's a pretty casually racist movie. What are we doing? The only thing that's missing is that in the final scene when they're fighting Carter, Wadhanavi comes back and does karate and does a kick. And it's like 1990, we get it. The man is Japanese.
Starting point is 01:25:37 We don't need the Tai Chi and the bonsai trees. It's a little heavy of that. And he being like, I will pay you back somehow. And it's like, how about you just like? And they're all bowing. They're constantly bowing. This is a fucking terrible situation. I'm out of here.
Starting point is 01:25:47 Try and Sue me. I've made you some sushi. Yeah. What else could he have done that? It would have been... Yeah, I didn't even clock that. How did I not have that in my notes? It's a very heavy-handed.
Starting point is 01:25:58 There's practically a gong there. It's just... Come on, guys. We get it. He's Japanese. Hans Gruber's scale villain ranking. Carter Hayes, I think, 8.0. He's pretty high up there.
Starting point is 01:26:08 I mean, he's a terrifying what if. Like, what if this happened to you? What do you got, Kyle? With 10 being Hans Gruber and one being the passenger 57 guy, here's what it hurts, here's what hurts Carter. And three toy soldiers? Two Soldiers is three, maybe two. Two, sudden death.
Starting point is 01:26:24 Carter doesn't kill anybody in the movie, which is kind of unusual. And he doesn't give us the big old, here is my manifesto. The system is working against me. And I will, like, he does a little with, I got to take care of my brother,
Starting point is 01:26:38 but a tenant of the Gruber scales, you got to cook for a while and just tell everybody you were all about. So you're one monologue short. Yeah, I have them, I love the character, but on this particular scale, he's at best of six.
Starting point is 01:26:49 I liked it during that speech where he's like, you liked it, didn't you? Like living dangerously. Ruffalo, Hannah Rubinick-Pertridge, overacting award. We don't even need to really go in a... Say, what I'm out of here! I had Modine five Budweiser drunk acting.
Starting point is 01:27:07 Yeah. Yeah. It's all the... If we did it as Oscars and there were five nominees, it's like, and Matthew Modine, and Matthew Modine, and we'd just be five different... When he turns off the utilities and does the...
Starting point is 01:27:19 that dance. It's like the worst end zone dance you've ever seen that like an offensive lineman picks up a fumble and does one. I cannot believe they chose to keep that in the movie, but they did. Kyle, what's your flex category? I have a new category. Oh. I have the Pacific Heights Ice Cube Award for Excellence and Intimacy Coordination. That move that they do to start it in which Beverly DeAngelo takes an ice cube out of the glass into her mouth, passes it directly to Carter-Hanee. mouth, he then takes it and rubs it all over her back and then she goes, so gentle. Like, that is
Starting point is 01:27:55 an unbelievable thrilling sequence. And my question to you guys, did it say in the script, she removes ice, tongues in it his mouth? Atlas? Or do you think that those two great artists? We're just like, let's just explore the studio space. Like, you know what? Long day on the set? Let's make something happen here. And there's two people
Starting point is 01:28:11 whose reactions I want to that scene. One is Chevy Chase who watched that scene. It's like, Alan. And he'd probably push for that shit in Vegas vacation. and then I want Pacino's reaction, which I guarantee was, O'ha! And he, like, wanted her number
Starting point is 01:28:25 and eventually they ended up together. Because that is so sexy, and I just, I love that they went for that. Baby, you were on fire. Fire! It's kind of the Peter North Award a little bit. Most effort put into a scene. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:36 Great. Oh, yeah. Also, the Ice Cube exchange is against gravity, which is even more impressive. It doesn't go down from the top of the environment. Yes, correct. Up against gravity. Very impressive.
Starting point is 01:28:47 Impressive stuff. Maybe they were in the film. Yeah. I think it's all ad-libbed. You do? I think this is a PG-13 movie, and Bev and Keith were like, yeah, let's fuck around here. Let's try something. Here, let's just roll with it.
Starting point is 01:29:00 Just keep rolling. Let's do this. And it's just awesome. So would you call that the Pacific Heights? The Pacific Heights Ice Cube Award for Excellence and Intimacy Coordination. Not bad. I'm going to add it. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.
Starting point is 01:29:12 How to Take Award? I didn't really have one except for maybe, like, I think Patty should have given like five minutes the thought to sticking with Carter and becoming the new Anne. Just because, like, first of all, he shows that he's willing to get his hands dirty when it comes to renovations and demolitions. Yeah. And also, like, this is a guy with plans and ambition. He's not content just sitting around doing kite making.
Starting point is 01:29:34 It's pretty good. I like that your pivot now is that people should stay with the crazy person in the front. That was my idea. It seems like DeMorne has just got it all thing figured out. Should we be worried that Sierra sided with the From Hell character in every movie? It's called Highest take. Come on. Um, I have, uh, I think I learned more about landlord tenant rights from this movie
Starting point is 01:29:55 than any human being in my life, um, any story. Yeah. I think this movie was incredibly impactful and doesn't get it's just due. Um, I can't think of another situation, um, movie, TV, real life that taught me more than this did in 102 minutes. And that's it. What do you got, Kyle? It's incredible.
Starting point is 01:30:17 they once they get in they have the right to do process and that's expensive and long and i completely agree with you i would watch this to learn about that exact crime um mine is really close to chris's this is a better movie if the huge twist at the end is that carter and drake are working together and when melanie is up in the hotel room she's slipping through the document she comes across her boyfriend's face and he's the brother yes his name is not not Drake Goodman. He's been, and they're been working on this for months. Remember, they're not married, and they make a point of saying they're not married like five or six different times. So this is relatively new.
Starting point is 01:30:56 And I think that they're in cahoots and in tandem. The fight was kind of staged. I think Drake Goodman... In the arm? Yeah, twice in the arm. I think Drake Goodman caused the miscarriage, like all kinds of things. But the terror in her face when she finds out,
Starting point is 01:31:12 oh, my God, they're in on it together. That's a better movie. You could even have... He decides he's going to be a luxury kite maker as to throw people off the same. And Carter's like, no one will ever believe that. And you play rugby? This is crazy. Will people believe this?
Starting point is 01:31:28 That's really good. She could have held the photo up and been like, yes. Casting what ifs. I only have one. Christopher Reeve really wanted to be Carter Hayes, lobbied the director. And sadly for Christopher Reeve,
Starting point is 01:31:42 Keaton was Batman and wanted to be in the movie. And that was a wrap for Christopher Reeves. I don't see Christopher Reeve in this movie. They wanted Superman or Batman. That's pretty cool. Amazing, two choices. Who would have been the third person? Yeah, I heard Toby McGuire wanted to do it, but he was like 10 years old.
Starting point is 01:32:02 They couldn't. Well, look at the best that guy category. It's fucking stacked. It is. Yeah, it is. We have Dan Hedaya. One scene. Mrs. Watanabi played by Nobu McCarthy,
Starting point is 01:32:15 Mr. Miyagi's long lost love and karate kid, too. You karate, you KK2 guy, Kyle, yes, I am. Beautiful story. The instruments at the end. I love it. Fortune. I'm into it. Daniel, son.
Starting point is 01:32:28 This time enough of points for life. Yep. Carl Lumby. Lumley. Carl Lumley. Cagney and Lacey cast member? Also played Bobby Seal in Chicago 7. Some of the Falcon and Winter Soldier stuff.
Starting point is 01:32:43 Yeah. Jerry Hardin playing Bennett Fidlow. You might know him from X-Files in the firm. And then you mentioned Tracy Walters, the cockroach exterminator. Sadly, none of these people win. I got to go Dorian Harewood. I don't know if he's that guy. I think he was famous at one point.
Starting point is 01:32:59 Which guy is he, Chris? He's the one buddy that he has. He's the one buddy he has. That's pretty good, though. Craig does my sense. I have him winning because he played eight ball in full metal jacket. So he and Bodine were in the same squad in full metal jacket. Oh, that's good.
Starting point is 01:33:13 Mine's not on the list either, though. I have two more. Okay, go, do it, do it, do it. Nicholas Pryor is the hotel manager. You know him as the risky business dad and more importantly, Chancellor Arnold from 902 and O. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:33:25 My winner is Luca Bercovici. Yeah. Who played a muzzan in American Flyers with Kevin Costner, the bad guy biker, and is just a home run in that movie and then really never kind of bounce around after that. This is a good time to ask.
Starting point is 01:33:41 What is Greg's utility here? Like, Carter can't do that demolition himself? He's helping out with ruining the apartment for no reason. Carter needed a hand doing that. It's a studio apartment. He needed some help. Okay. What did you have, Kyle?
Starting point is 01:33:56 I had Hal Landon Jr. When they go and do the locksmith to finally get in, the officer there with the pattern baldness, he's Ted's dad from Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. And that's like the only thing I've ever seen him in. Deputy Van Halen, there is one scene in this the year later. That was my guy. But these are a lot of excellent choices.
Starting point is 01:34:15 Really, really low. a category. I think my favorite is probably Mr. Miyagi's long-lost love and karate kids. I do. You know, Sato kind of fucked up their
Starting point is 01:34:24 relationship I felt like. Dion Waiter's Award. I can offer you Beverly DeAngelo, the Watanabe's, or the cockroach exterminator? I'll do it, Bev. Yeah, she takes it all. Recasting couch director of City.
Starting point is 01:34:41 I can offer you young Denzel Washington as the tenant that got turned down. Right in his range. I think 1990s, is he famous at that point? That's post-glary, yeah. Yeah. How about Sam Jackson?
Starting point is 01:34:55 Oh. 90 works, sure. Yeah. I have the Palma for this, though. Yeah, you're right. I think the Palma doing Pacific Heights would have been fucking awesome. I'm just, I can't stop staring at Segal's shirt.
Starting point is 01:35:10 It's really, it is distracted. It's really great. These two are so happy to be in the portrait. It also looks like they're together watching the Chicago Bulls, who Kyle has to the left of him. You never thought you needed Tony Cooch and Mason Storm together. We got them. Two big threes in a row.
Starting point is 01:35:27 Half a five-senter research. Carter Hayes drives a 1977 Porsche 9-11 career targa. It's a fucking elite car. It's not really research. It's just respect. It's just an elite elite car. This is my favorite. I was researching Melanie Griffith. Joanne Woodward told a 17-year-old Melanie on the set of the drowning pool that her goals were to marry a movie star,
Starting point is 01:35:49 have beautiful babies, and win an Oscar. And she did all three. Melanie said she adopted the goals for herself. She married a movie star and had beautiful babies, but never won the Oscar. They get nominated. Joanne Woodward. Who didn't?
Starting point is 01:36:07 You have a moment, a Joanne Woodward moment like that with anyone, CR? Like where somebody passes along? Like James Corden? It's like, who are my three goals? I want to host a terrible, World Cup soccer show. Want to have my own late night show?
Starting point is 01:36:21 Yeah. What have I done of those? I don't know. Apex Mountain. Keaton. Yeah, well, this is it. I'm going to say yes. Yeah, I think it is too.
Starting point is 01:36:36 It's Batman in this. It's an example of Apex Mountain being a poison chalice. Sometimes, like, you make the wrong move from the apex, you know? For sure. Or the right move. For sure. Melanie Griffith, no. Matthew Modine
Starting point is 01:36:49 I think full metal jacket I think it's the Kubrick lead in the Kubrick movie you got to do that, yeah ominously playing with a razor Has it ever been done better? I think of Kevin Spacey cutting his fingertips off and then of course Polly slicing the
Starting point is 01:37:06 garlic but it's close Boy, those are two really good razor razor shouts. Better creepy cockroach scene? I don't know, cockroach is notoriously difficult to work with on film sets What's that stupid movie Joe's apartment? Isn't Jerry O'Connell? Isn't that cockroach-based movie?
Starting point is 01:37:25 Yes. I almost did this as my hottest takes. Cockroaches, kind of overrated. Seems super scary in a movie, but if you have to, they can't bite. They're just kind of creepy. I think they're like the scariest thing in the world. How come? Well, they're scary involved.
Starting point is 01:37:38 If I was Mr. Watanabi, I would have just off to myself. So wait, you're more scared of roaches than mice? I don't. I think rats are way more scary than cockroaches. Yeah. Roaches, they're infinite. and like they'll never go away. They just breed in your pipes.
Starting point is 01:37:52 They've completely freaked out. And a lot of them can fly, which you get them. I've had a few roaches in my life. Never like an infestation, but I hate them. We had termites in our first LA place. Oh, yeah? That sucks. Did you have to tent it?
Starting point is 01:38:08 That was bad. Did you have to tent it? They just, it's like out of a movie. They start multiplying. You see the wings. It fucking sucks. If Spencer Pratt was like, we're getting rid of the roaches, he would have my boat.
Starting point is 01:38:19 That's all I had to do. Look at you, Craig. San Francisco movie houses, no. We've done this before. Is it Mrs. Doubtfire? Oh, movie houses. Yeah. Doubtfire and like the stuff in basic instinct.
Starting point is 01:38:36 And I think full house on TV. Full house. That ones. People going to take pictures in front of that. Porsche 9-11 career target, yes, for 77. Evil tenants of movies, 100%. Annoying Yuppies in a movie, maybe. No.
Starting point is 01:38:49 And then casual 90s racism, sadly no. Okay. Cruz or Hanks? Cruz has got to play Carter. That's it. That's it. I have responsibilities, Patty. Cruz would have said no until they showed him the last scene.
Starting point is 01:39:08 So he's going to run out of the JW merit at full speed. He's like, what? This would have been, Cruz would have been like, this is like my Ripley. This is great. Cruz would have caught them if he was running out of the Avenue of the Stars. Also, Cruz doing the Ice Cube scene
Starting point is 01:39:24 with DeAngelo. This is the same year that he did Days of Thunder and is taking a sweet and low packet up Nicole Kidman's thigh on the inside of it. It's like those are brother and sister scenes. I think he could have done it. He could have done half Ice Cube follow by just them laughing for 20 seconds straight.
Starting point is 01:39:40 Well, there's also just a ton of cocktail you know, like he could have thrown the champagne glass in the air and caught it, you know? Yeah, what would have been Cruz's skill for this? The nail gun? Like, I worked with a nail gun for two months. No, I think it's mimicry. I think it's becoming different people
Starting point is 01:39:54 to steal their identities. That razor blade, too. He's working that thing for a long time. Yeah. But he has to smoke. Cockroach crawling on Keaton's fingers. Cruise would have gotten into that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:03 Yeah, that's good. The Rose from Titanic Award for character who's sneaky sucks. I don't know, is Drake Goodman qualifier? He openly suck. Yeah. Yeah, he openly sucks, right? Or cross-knit up.
Starting point is 01:40:14 best name for a movie from a racehorse best name from movie for a race horse evil tenant sure I think is a really good Kentucky Derby name Jim Danforth Jim Danforth, not a great Jim Danforth down is good Unless you want to go with kite company
Starting point is 01:40:29 It just flies luxury kite company Hey we don't get to do this too often Yeah Really it's for CR The Dennis Peck relationship test Could Dennis have broken up the main relationship? No, but I'll tell you what, Dennis would have gotten that guy out of the fucking apartment.
Starting point is 01:40:50 They just needed a dirtier cop. That would have been the easiest way to do this. It's just like, get a cop. He's like, I don't give a shit what it says. You're out of here. I think Dennis comes over. The guy's at the kite company job. And what was her name in this?
Starting point is 01:41:04 Patty. Can't get that guy out, huh? What's your boyfriend do? Luxury kite company, huh? What are you doing now? want to get a drink? Yeah. He's in.
Starting point is 01:41:15 I think he's in with Patty in two hours. You're like to ride horses. Picky Nitz. We did a lot of these. Carter moves in without a rental agreement. Why didn't Drake just open the door with his keys and kick this fucking asshole out before? I think the first thing he does is change the locks.
Starting point is 01:41:31 Open the door. Here's an underrated one for picking Nits. Anytime in a movie or TV show, somebody thinks a cat's going to be good luck. Oh, yeah. Never good luck. I don't think I've ever seen a thriller where a cat is introduced but it's like
Starting point is 01:41:48 famously bad luck cats. You're like in fact black cats You moved to no place with Liz if a cat was just outside the door and was like I brought this cat in it would be good luck you'd be like get that fucking cat out of here No my wife and I currently have a betting pool on the cat in the Cape Fear TV show
Starting point is 01:42:05 Oh yeah peanut butter Just keep sitting there on the counter I'm like Yeah peanut butter's done Carter Hayes' strategy is he's going to drive them in a foreclosure and pick up the property. We think. And get it for cheaper. I think that there was a twofold thing. I think it was there's the initial, like, I'm going to drive these people out and then receive the property as like my civil, like, settlement.
Starting point is 01:42:34 And then when that seems like it's not going to work. He just shoots Drake. I think he steals his identity. Yeah. Okay. And then how do they restore the house the second time after they'd been clean out? Good call. Living month by month. It looks beautiful. New floors.
Starting point is 01:42:46 Maybe the Danforth estate gave them a little bit of money to shut up about it. I feel like she should have had more money from the hotel room. Yeah. That should have been like $75,000 behind the city. It looked like it was like a grand. Like it was a small stack of hundreds. Yeah. Not enough.
Starting point is 01:43:02 Any other nitpicks? We did most of them. Not really. I mean, we've talked about most of them, but like the identity thief who keeps his entire life story in his suitcase and the con man who sends a postcard with a return address. Do you have that in your house here?
Starting point is 01:43:16 Like just your scrapbook? Yeah. Spin magazine in Grantland. Sequel prequel prestige TV all black castor untouchable. This has got Apple TV written all over it. All over it. I can't believe they haven't done it yet.
Starting point is 01:43:31 There was a 2021-22 TV series being kicked around that did a gender swap. So I assume Carter would have been a lady. All black cast would have worked too. I mean, honestly, prequel would have worked. Sequel absolutely would have worked if you don't kill Carter Hayes
Starting point is 01:43:50 and he just gets away Michael Meyer's style at the end. I'm in for that. The Carter Hayes Chronicle Prequel is good. But all black cast, you'd then have a moment where you're like, I guess you're thinking right now, I should have rented to the white man. It would be all switched. It's perfect. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Zane Lowe?
Starting point is 01:44:08 Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nickel, the owner of the luxury cut company or someone else. What do you have, I just want to say up top, I would pay to watch a movie where this guy tries to pull this
Starting point is 01:44:23 on either Wayne Jenkins or Fergie as his landlord. You're going to get out of this house for me or I'm going to do you the way I did your brother, that chemical way. But it would be cool to have Zane talk to Carter afterwards. Like Carter, talk him out.
Starting point is 01:44:43 You've extorted. You've trespassed. And you've identity thieved. What's next for you, man? What's the next con? And is it all a con? This whole thing, life. His life a con.
Starting point is 01:44:58 What do you have, Kyle? I have, Bill, I feel like I'm going to steal yours right now. But there's a sliding doors moment. when Carter Hayes is running out of the hotel into the street, if he actually goes right, he goes into a ballroom. And the keynote speaker is Dr. Charles Nichols. He's sitting there and he's like, Cardo, I'm in the middle of this speech. And Carter goes, you switched off the utilities, didn't you?
Starting point is 01:45:23 You switched the utilities. After I shot Drake, you were the only one with the access. He stole my identity. Did you evict the Wadernabes too? Huh? Did you? And he's like, sorry, ladies and gentlemen, my friend, Carter Hayes, that doesn't feel well.
Starting point is 01:45:36 I was going to write it to that black guy. Yes. But you stole it. The application never came. So enjoy your coffee and dessert and we'll talk. Carter, please. He's there. He's always there.
Starting point is 01:45:45 That's a great one. I thought you were going to do Gus there. No, I had the Gus wasn't there. But the weird thing about the ballroom is at the end of it, Borat and Azamat run in naked, too. Like, they just, the place comes down. We could have done a little Ryan Rucco for Kurt Hayes falling backwards.
Starting point is 01:46:01 Got it! just one Oscar who gets it. That would have been good in honor of Mo Dean, Super Nix fan. Oh yeah. Just one Oscar who gets it, I guess Keaton. I guess so. Not Han Zimmer. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:15 Probably needs to answer more questions. I only have one. Did these two losers stay together or was it like a breakup in next two months? I wanted to know how long you guys thought they had been together before this movie. Like, you know, up to the point of buying the house. Is this a one year? One year thing? I think it's really short.
Starting point is 01:46:32 I actually had six months. I think they're very impulsive people. I think it's at least you don't buy a house with somebody unless it's two years. In 1990? Yeah, it's like you're two years, I think, at that point. He was with her when she got hurt during the equestrian race.
Starting point is 01:46:46 They realized they have absolutely nothing to say to each other after about a week. They don't even have like a lunch scene where she's like, I thought I'd surprise you at work. Oh. No. They don't seem to like each other that much. She's even kind of like, what are you doing here when he shows up with the horse?
Starting point is 01:47:02 They really brought the set into the movie. Memorability you'd most want from the movie, Kyle? I want that little model house. I had that little model house. The fake Drake Goodman ID stuff. So his visa card, like the old visa card. Yeah. The old bank books.
Starting point is 01:47:19 Good passport. Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, were best, worst life lesson. I mean, this one has a pretty obvious one. Don't be a landlord. Well, just don't let the person in. Don't let do the sign of the lease. I'll pay you later. Like, get fucking money.
Starting point is 01:47:35 Yeah. Yeah. Kids, if you ever hear the phrase, I don't have a traditional kind of credit run. That's not what you want. That's right. Or they mention their bank in San Antonio. You're out.
Starting point is 01:47:46 Double feature choice, would you have, KB? Okay, so this is interesting. I had Mr. Mom because it's really nice, fun, Michael Keaton. But I have to tell you, I was watching the movie, Pacific Heights on Prime, Amazon and it goes to the next movie and the next movie was unfaithful. And I was like, fuck, yes. And I watched the first half hour.
Starting point is 01:48:05 It's like a con man. It's all that. So I went right into it and I liked it. I had two. One was the Money Pit from 1986, the Tom Hanks movie about losing your mind trying to save your home. And the other was a little bit different, War of the Roses,
Starting point is 01:48:20 just because it's like kind of being trapped in a house with somebody. Sure. Yeah. I did single-wave female. We do the roommate tenant combo. Let me just go. What do you have, Craig? For a double feature?
Starting point is 01:48:32 Probably Transformers. It's probably one. Who won the movie? Keaton? Keaton. Michael Keaton, after Batman, another dub as a villain. Why I like this movie. Craig, can't wait for your take.
Starting point is 01:48:48 Here we go. Craig loves from Hellmunk, by the way. These are what real movies should be. You can watch them at noon on a Monday. They're great. What I liked him, this one is that there was much more mystery. Typically, it was like domestic
Starting point is 01:49:00 disturbance or hand that rocks the cradle and you kind of just know the motive from the beginning and you're just waiting to get to the end. I enjoy that this movie, they treat Keaton like Jaws a little bit. And you're like, I don't really know what he's up to. I don't see him a whole lot. Who's Greg? What's going on in L.A.? And I think it's why the whole mystery
Starting point is 01:49:17 takes you down to L.A. And it's why that scene is so good. But I think this is one of the more satisfying from hell movies because you actually get like the plot to take this person down rather than just the big fight at the end results in the villain dying. This was like, oh, for like 20 minutes I get Melanie Griffith actually plotting to get back at this guy and it's working.
Starting point is 01:49:37 I feel like that was more satisfying. Also, this movie's kind of the inspiration for the show Beef, if you think. I mean, it's kind of like a... From Hell Month has definitely got some of that. It's a road rage, but for real estate kind of vibes. And it's very relatable in that regard. I also think it's kind of just a great look at how men and women deal with problems differently. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:55 this is like a great men not being able to admit their wrong movie. Like, I can handle this, Patty. It's like, honey, don't you want to just pull up a map and get directions? Like, no, no, I know how to get there. Like, it's like basically that. Yeah, it's a great men versus women dealing with problems movie. Great call. Thumbs up.
Starting point is 01:50:14 You've enjoyed from Hell Month. It's great. I'm having a blast. Yeah. These are great. There's lots for. Maybe this is just the rest of 2026. What's on the horizon, though?
Starting point is 01:50:23 Well, we've done a domestic. disturbance and the good son. Had the rocks the cradle, single white female. Yeah, and there's a couple winners left. Yeah. It really is. The one that you've mentioned. I've been scouting. I've been scouting some other ones that I wasn't sure. Yeah. How'd it go?
Starting point is 01:50:40 There's some bad ones. I watched Save Me on MGM with Harry Hamlin and Lissette Anthony. Oh, come on. We can't do that. We have to respect. I thought it was a... Or we have to like, we have to do like the re-godfather somewhere in there. It was terrible.
Starting point is 01:50:56 To cleanse the palate. It was truly, truly awful. But I just, you know, I'm just looking around. The one that you've mentioned before that I always have gotten so entertained by is cop from hell unlawful entry. And what's really fun about that movie is Madeline Stowe's character, is named Karen. And so you get Ray Leota going, you're a cock deezer Karen. And it's like right after Goodfellas.
Starting point is 01:51:18 It's awesome. That's Kurt Russell's in that, right? Yeah, yeah. And then he's also in Breakdown. He did double from hell duty. Breakdown's one of our favorites. Do we have a good modern from hell movie? All these movies are from the 90s.
Starting point is 01:51:31 No, I mean, like it's going to the 2000s. I can't remember when's the perfect getaway, like the, when's that movie? Let me see. No, it kind of ended in the 2000s. Perfect getaways, 09. I just feel like this moved to Lifetime, and then they did every single version of them. But another one that we've talked about doing because Van Loves is the fan with Robert DeMiro. Benicio and Wesley Snipes.
Starting point is 01:51:55 the worst ending probably of any sports movie all the time, but it's still really fun and it's Tony Scott. I mean, to be honest, is obsession kind of like the girlfriend from hell? Or the boyfriend from hell? Sure. Obsession? You think that could be in there? I wouldn't know. I don't know if it's from hell, but it's pretty, it would be pretty fun
Starting point is 01:52:10 to do obsession as a rewatchable now. This would be a good... We haven't done a 2026 movie yet. No. We're due. Yeah. But it'll probably be the Odyssey, right? I guess so. I mean, it could be... Doing part three, Bill. Let's go. June 3.
Starting point is 01:52:25 He's got to see the first two dunes. Could we do it from hell? Good morning football. There's a new person on the show. Former football player, what just wants to hang out, and then it just starts going sideways? I have a quip, but I'm not going to say it.
Starting point is 01:52:43 Okay. Because it would get me in trouble. There's another one that I think I'm the only one who likes it. But it's a great, great, great, from hell movie that I have to recommend. If you like my recommendations. Sure. Bad influence with Roblo and Joe Spader.
Starting point is 01:52:57 Oh, we were talking about this. I think that movie's really good. It's Curtis Hanson's first movie. I just think it's excellent, but nobody's seen it. That'd be great. I haven't seen it. We just did the entire Hanson filmography. I think you would like bad influence.
Starting point is 01:53:11 Anyway. All right, Kyle Brandt. This was a pleasure, as always. Thanks for assuming. Thank you, CR. Thank you, CIR. The whole Storm family. Thanks, Craig.
Starting point is 01:53:18 Thanks to Chris and Gahow and Eduardo as well. And we will see you next time on the rewatchables. Thank you.

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