The Rewatchables - ‘Panic Room’ (Plus a Mini Will Smith–Oscars Recap) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: March 29, 2022

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey recap the Will Smith–Chris Rock incident from last night’s Academy Awards (2:26) before cutting the phone lines and locking themselves in a concrete box to revisit David Fincher’s ‘Panic Room,’ starring Jodie Foster, Kristen Stewart, Forest Whitaker, and Jared Leto (13:23). Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right. Coming up, I can't go to prison, man. I'm not built for that shit. Also, get my wife's name out of your fucking mouth. Panic room is next. For them, it was the perfect home. I love you.

But in a moment, everything changed. People and the house. You have to get her to come out. What is she doing? Telephones. She has no choice left. You trust me. You're up to risk everything.

We will find you. Two-time Academy Award winner, Jody Foster. Panic Room, rated R. All right. Sean Fantasy's here. Chris Ryan is here. We're taping this the day after the Oscars, which I feel like before we get into Panic Room,

which we're going to dive into it a second. This is one of our great rewatchables guys. Will Smith. People talk about, you know, one of the great actors belongs to these different generations, but also, you know, belong to the rewatchables in a lot of ways. We've done a few Will Smith movies at this point.

I think I could feel the three of us. I could feel our pain last night, right? Are you abandoning him? Is that it? We're done? No more Will? No more will in the rewatchables? I think we're hitting a danger point of,

we're taping this right now. It's 11.30 in the morning. I think Pacific time. I think he's hitting a danger point. And if he doesn't pour some water on this smoldering fire soon, we have entered Tom Cruise jumping on the couch. There's no way coming back.

You've just become too weird. So I don't know how he solves that, Chris. I was more distracted by the Academy adopting Bill Simmons-esque anniversaries, like Birdmester anniversary, the 28th anniversary of Pulp Fiction. Yeah. Who do is the 28th? What's weird as fantasy and I on my podcast talked about this last week, how they should embrace the history.

Yeah. And I don't know if all this stuff was planned or what, but they kind of awkwardly shoehorned in a couple different movies. The weird thing was like you have Pacino and De Niro out there and they don't speak. They don't talk. Like, Liza Manelli had more lines than them. They're the same lines over and over again. But yeah, it was weird.

It was just the most awkward show of all time from start to finish. And, you know, Sean, I know you're the ultimate movie nerd. But the Oscars really is the one night where it's about the movies and the people who make the movies and are in the movies. and to just have like P. Diddy introducing the Godfather. What are we doing? I don't, yeah, I feel bad. It's a shame.

I don't really know what to say. You know, I've poured so much of my time and heart into following this award show and thinking about it and thinking about it in the context of movies. And now it's pretty much about Wilson Slathing and like James Bond is a badass, right? What have I done with my life?

It's just, it's unfortunate. Well, as always, Denzel wins. Denzel was the one who somehow, it's a mess where it's like, there are no winners to that at all, except for Denzel Washington, who just continues to win. I thought Bradley,

Bradley Cooper throwing himself into the fray, trying to get Will Smith calm down. I was, I was pretty surprised to see that was his role in the fracas. I think he went, a star's born voice, or do you think he used his normal voice?

It's like, well, you got to let this, you gotta shut this stuff off, man. I got, I have to ask you both a question. Have either of you, ever struck a man with your open hand.

No. Not like that. Not like that? Well, how would that? Well, I've been like basketball altercations in the past where you're like two hand shoving somebody and stuff like that, but not. That was an actual like, he's like, I'm going to smack this guy and walk back to my seat. Yeah.

Yeah. Not only that, but he did it. He did it? He was like, I have an idea, which is to get up and smack this man in the face with my open hand and then sit back down and yell at him, which is just, let's not overlook the absolute craziness of that. I think it would have been pretty crazy. And I'm surprised, I guess, that this doesn't happen more in these sort of situations and in these kind of like somewhat roast environments. But I was like, what would have happened if he hadn't slapped him, but he still screamed,

keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth? Like, just, and that was like, Will Smith is screaming at Chris Rock from the crowd and is obviously pissed off. And now like the slap takes it into this completely different realm. But there is this kind of weird, like, oh, we just agree to get kind of our balls busted here for five minutes by this comedian and like we're supposed to take it in stride. And I mean, I don't know. It's it's it's the violence of it, I guess, just kind of takes it to another level. But I thought it kind of like opened up a curtain on a side that you just rarely see in terms of like the psychology of the people who are who are sitting there and being judged. Well, the comedians, the comedian

industry was very upset about this. It's, I did my pod. Like, we did my pod. Like, we did. Jimmy, like, it's 14 hours later now. And I hit most of the takes I want to, but I have been thinking about it since, like, stuff I wish I had thought about. It was so shocking. We almost took, like, waking up this morning and taking a shower even to try to process all of it. But, yeah, it was like, what would have been Will Smith's better moves there? I think we could all agree walking up and slapping Chris Rock is probably last on the list, other than shooting him. Yeah. But, you know, he either could have yelled from his... Like, taking a dump on the floor, assaulting Chris Rock

like these are the bottom yeah but I think yelling from his seat would have been better but also like just kind of waiting for a commercial and going backstage or waiting until he saw him after the show I think were the moves I think that this isn't an original thought

I saw someone say this online but there was very clearly a move that he couldn't do because obviously he let his emotions get the best of him in that moment but if he had waited for his win and that said something from the stage and tried to communicate the point that I think he was trying to make in his speech,

which is that, like, protecting your family is basically the foremost thing in this character's life, and it's the foremost thing in my life. And what I heard from a comedian on stage earlier tonight was not only hurtful and offensive, but it filled me with rage, and it made me even better understand

what I was trying to do in this performance I gave. I think that he would have been understood as, like, an incredibly thoughtful, caring, and loving father and husband. And instead it's like that guy is violent and angry. And that's really strange to try to process and figure out how to feel about it.

Whether or not like anybody could have had the wherewithal, I don't know, who the hell knows it was going through his mind? That's what we're all thinking when it was happening. What's wrong with this guy? Too much pressure. It was almost like when we watched sports when an athlete like snaps in the moment, right? Like, I mean, the worst case,

there are our tests going into the stands, but just the way that five minutes unfold. But here's like unraveling. It had more to do than just the, game or those moments when like Chris Weber like you know travels and then forgets and then it calls the time out and it's just like his brain breaks it seemed like there was so much pressure on him from the night and then from the last couple years and you know people dissecting his marriage and all this stuff it just seems like it like all the baggage kind of came out because first he

laughed at the joke then he saw his wife was mad and then it went to him just walking on the stage and hitting Chris Rock which I was looking at my Apple News today Chris And you know, you can see the four stories of one of them was like, Will Smith doesn't apologize for hitting Chris Rock at the Oscars. And I'm just like, wow, what a headline. If I showed that to me 24 hours ago, I would have had a stroke. The only thing I was going to ask you, Sean, is like, it seems as though it's hard to read into this, but like that the academy is almost just like, cool moment, you know, like that they're a little bit like, we told you it wouldn't be boring and, right, you know, a night to remember.

And it's like, is this what you guys want your calling card to be? I don't know what recourse they have, though. Yeah, because there's no way that they could have said, Will Smith needs to be escorted from the premises. That would have cast an insane Paul. I think if they had done something like that, you literally would be reading the Oscars are dead. People would say like, this was actually the final night of the Oscar.

So they could not have done that, even though, obviously, I mean, seen from one angle, Will Smith broke the law last night on television. That's kind of strange that that happened and that he then was, immediately rewarded with something. On the other hand, like, how do you make light of it, but not too much light? How do you, you know, Will Packer tweeted that, you know, I told, I promised you it wouldn't be boring. Yeah. And he was right. It was, it was, it was, that was not boring. I would say the first two and a half hours are pretty boring, but what, when that, as soon as that happened, that was the

most must-see TV thing that has happened in, what, five years? I, how many people immediately turned on their televisions when they heard that that happened? So I don't know, what do you, like, what do you do if you're an award show and someone strikes someone on stage? I don't know how you come back from that. I mean, Jimmy on my podcast last night compared it to Tyson biting Holyfield's ear, and I thought that was the perfect analogy. It was just one of the most bad shit crazy things that I've ever seen. And on top of it, two people that we had real history with. It wasn't like he attacked some random comic. Chris Rock's also been in our life since the late 80s. And he's been on this podcast in a couple different movies, you know? And it's just like that the history of the two guys,

which I guess they didn't have much history together, but just our history with them. It was like watching two of your uncles getting a fistfight at Thanksgiving table or something. Yeah. Someone else also pointed out that it was kind of like picking a fight at the company picnic. You know, sort of like, this isn't the time.

You don't want all your peers to see you doing this. There's going to be like the next host of a major awards show is going to be so boring. Oh my God. Well, welcome. We're brought to you by Stamps.com. and I would like to say, hello. Are you auditioning, CR?

I have a glass jaw. I don't think I can do it. Well, you know, I remember when the watch was really taken off at Grantland in 2013. Yeah, it wasn't called the watch back then, but thank you for listening. What did we call it back then? It was Hollywood Perspectus.

Is that what we called it back then? I always felt like it was always the watch. What are you talking about it? Dude, I can't remember my kids' names. What are you talking about? about. Well, I remember when the pod with you and Greenwald was taking off. Yeah, skyrocketing. And I could see your head. You're starting to, you're starting to, your ego is becoming a problem a little bit. It was a real problem, yeah. I remember I looked you in the eye and I said, Chris,

at your highest, that's the moment we have to be careful because that's when the devil comes for you. And we had a moment. And I think Chris, Sean, I think Chris has been pretty even killed since then, but I was worried about him for a little bit there. You've always been the Denzel to his Will Smith. There's no question about that. I've tried. Denzel always wins. That's a big lesson from last night.

You throw away all the other lessons. Denzel. He always wins. Whenever there's chaos, there's Denzel. There we go. Okay. Let's talk about panic room. You guys didn't bite on my text message about how we should do G.I.J.

It's actually a great point. How many people even know what G. If we did G. That's a joke from 2004. Bottom 10 rewatchables, listener-wise. Right. That's the thing that was a bad, like all of Chris Rock's jokes were bad leading up to him getting punch.

Like the Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz joke was, what was that? Both of those people have already won Oscars. He had clearly forgotten that Penelby Cruz's name as well when he told the joke. He referred to her as Javier Bardem's wife. I'm like, yo, this is Penelope Cruz. She's dominated today. And then he did like, he just seems like he wanted to do a Denzel impression. So it wasn't off to a great start.

Let's talk about Fincher, another hero of the rewatchables. I think he is the director. We've done the most. This was a little movie called Panic Room that came out in 2002, 20 years ago. This week, it is somehow Jody Foster's biggest grossing movie is a star. Wow. Where she was the main star. It was Fincher's next film after Fight Club.

And Fincher at this point, I think for the real nerds like us, after the game, Fincher we had season tickets for whatever that guy's doing, I'm going. But after Fight Club, it was now, he moved a little bit

into that Jackie Brown Tarantino's territory where it's like, this is coming out, I'm fucking pumped. And Jody Foster, who I think was at a point of her career

where she needed something like this, a little rejuvenation. But Chris, 20 years later, what's your first thing when you think about panic room? So what a fucking

thrilling rewatch? and I've been watching so, so, so much TV recently because the just sheer volume of television coming on right now has just been overwhelming as we cover on all of our podcasts. The thing that was so cool about watching Panic Room was just the purely cinematic storytelling that you get to see going on in this movie

and how the exposition is like three lines where it's like, oh yeah, dumb guy, rich guy, like criminal, diabetic, divorced mom, got it. Now put them in a panic room. Cool. It's just pure cinematic filmmaking in a way that is so refreshing to watch and so thrilling. And it's just basically one long scene. I don't even know how we're going to do most rewatchable scene.

Is it going to be the part where they run upstairs or the part where they run downstairs? But it's like a super powered on steroids version of Hitchcock in the coolest way possible. Sean, I compared this to LeBron dragging the Cavs to the 2007 finals. Fincher, and he's talked about this. He does Fight Club, and it's an insane movie to make. I think he said, Fight Club had 400 scenes and 100 locations. This is what he said in the DVD commentary, which is nuts. And he thought it would be an easy process to just make a movie set in one location. It turned out it was harder than Fight Club. Yeah. Whether it had to be or not is kind of an interesting part of this conversation, because the things that he does to execute his vision are part of, I think,

why he is so beloved, but also almost sort of like parodied at this point, with he's so determined to kind of capture whatever is in his mind. The thing I think about with the movie, though, is it's like the ultimate Hitchcock homage, because on the one hand, it's a movie that takes place all in one place, right? So it has shades of rope or lifeboat, those movies that Hitchcock made. But really, it's like, it's Hitchcock doing psycho right after North by Northwest. North by Northwest is this big sprawling story that takes place all across the country with massive set pieces.

and, you know, a man in peril trying to figure out who's after him. It's a very similar to fight club in that way. And then Psycho is really shrunk down and much smaller and more or less takes place

in one location at the Bates Bontel. And it's terrifying and it's basically a heart... It's really a B movie. And because of the artistry that Hitchcock brought to it, it made it one of the most iconic movies

ever made. Panic Room doesn't quite rise to that level. I think most people think of this as kind of like second tier Fincher, but from a sheer like watch me do this perspective it's like Chris said, it's like it's a breathtaking movie.

It's so cool. Yeah, and that's why I use the LeBron analogy because it's, what is Panicroma? 42 and 40 NBA team? Mm-hmm. It's like you might make the ninth seed. Maybe you get in the playing tournament, that's it. But just as a premise where it's like, yeah,

mother and daughter and a house, it's a home invasion. It's a movie elevated to an A movie because it's Jody Foster, Forrest, Whitaker, and Jared Leto and then it's David Fincher making it. But there's a version of this movie that is on Netflix, once a month. And instead of Jody Foster, it's Leighton Meester. Shots fired. Wow. I'll do respect to Leighton Meester's name out of your fucking mouth.

So Fitcher saw Panicrup as a cross between rear window and straw dogs, the Peck and Paw movie. Yeah. He was concerned that Home Alone would overshadow it. But he's pretty traumatized after this movie. some of his quotes where I learned that you can't make a movie just because it'll be hard. My agent sent me the script that said, you're not going to want to read this because it all takes place in one house.

It's a logistical nightmare. And I was just like, I might be interested in that. I'm a bit of a contrarian. I like challenges. And then you end up two years into the challenge they made for yourself and you just go,

nothing's worth this. So then he said his lessons were, don't shoot for 100 days in one place. That's what's to be learned for that. Figure out ways not to. They probably had the same kind of problem on the shining that's all in one house, but at least they get out. They get to run through a maze.

So Fincher, I mean, we'll go into some of the casting issues they had with this and why they had to reboot the production a couple of times. I'll save that for later. But Fincher was pretty traumatized by this. It's weird. If we'd done a draft, Chris, of the movies that traumatized Fincher the most, I would have assumed like Zodiac or Fight Club, not this movie. His career is really hard to read because it doesn't go fastball off-speed pitch.

It's not like he does like a heavy one and then a light one or like a hard one and then an easy one. Like the easy ones get hard. The off-speed pitches are really important. The fastball sometimes miss. You know, so he's not like a director I find it easy to map in some ways. But yeah, like I think Fincher's like a sadist and he's the hardest on himself. Like you could have made this movie in a...

very simple way. And I think maybe the attraction to panic room for him, if I can read into his psychology, is coming out of the response to Fight Club. This seemed like a little bit of an antidote to that because what's panic room about? Like, you can do a deep reading of some of the parts of it, but it's ultimately like, here's a really cool idea that David Kep had when he read some articles about these safe rooms in houses. And we made it into a really good thriller idea. That should be an in-and-out kind of idea. And when you watch it, you're like, yeah, I'm not going to be haunted by Meg Altman's story for the rest of my life. But the way he made it was like, what's the hardest fucking way possible I could make this movie?

There's some think piece stuff about the underlying theme of this movie is about underestimating women. Right? And it's something that happens a bunch times when at one point I think Jared Letto says, oh, it's fine. it's just a mother and her daughter. So I guess that would be one thing, but then one of the best things this movie does, it flips the Forrest Whitaker character. So even though he's a bad person,

you're kind of hoping he does the right thing and it all sets up to him at the end doing the right thing. I watch with my daughter on Friday night, and she hadn't seen it before. And she really liked the Forrest Whitaker character, and she's like, I want him to get away. I want him to get away with all the stuff. And then when he went back,

She's like, no, don't go back. Just get away. She's rooting for the Forrest Whitaker character. So they flip that, too, where they have a movie where you're rooting for the bad guy usually doesn't work. But I think that says something about his performance, too. I really like movies that don't really have a hero in them, you know. And Jody Foster, in some ways, she's the protagonist and considered the hero of the story.

But who is that character really? She's the ex-wife of a wealthy man who is buying an extremely extravagant new home. basically to stick it to her ex-husband. She's younger than her ex-husband, so she potentially could be the second wife in this equation. And she's a strong woman, and she's trying to protect her daughter, but she's not exactly like the most obvious, likable heroin.

And it's Forrest Whitaker who gets most of the hero moments, and he's obviously a thief and a crook. Well, he's the one with the moral compass. Exactly. And so you look at the movie, and it's like, is it really that far afield from like No Country for Old Men or the Godfather,

or these movies that have really compelling, complicated characters who you root for, but then when you think about why you're rooting for them, you don't totally understand. There's like moral complexity, obviously, is at the heart of every David Fincher movie and he's really interested in the idea of like good people making bad decisions

and bad people making good decisions. And so it takes a movie, like Chris said, that is a B movie and makes it seem deeper. Whether Panic Room actually is deep, I think is kind of an interesting conversation because I'm not totally sure that it is and I don't really care. It's one of those things where like, Zodiac is about

right, be obsession and trying to figure out like what your life means through the prism of someone else's experience. That's a big idea. That's a huge idea. You could, you know, five years went by between panic room and Zodiac. And it, it seemed like the effect that this movie had on him and the amount of preparation that had to go into Zodiac really affected Fincher as he made this. But I think it's okay if we just look at this movie as a B movie and celebrate how fucking cool it is too. Yeah. And I also would say just like coming out of Fight Club and it was like the star making performances for Ed Norton and to some extent, Brad Pitt, although he was already obviously a big name by 99.

Like, I think I kind of expected that to happen for Jared Letto in this movie. When it first came out, I remember, like, being very, like, excited for the cast. And you kind of go in there and you're like, Dwight Yocom's wearing a mask. And, like, Forrest Wittaker's, like, this older guy and Jody Foster's his old, like, it wasn't like, there wasn't like electricity sparkling throughout this movie, although Kristen Stewart obviously goes on to have this amazing career. but now going back, I was like, this cast is amazing, and I love the three criminals. Like, they're an amazing group of guys.

Yeah, the Leto in Fight Club was when they kind of used, we're casting that Jordan Cardalano guy from my so-called life and he got the shit kicked out of him in the movie. That was when you got over the shock value of seeing him in a good movie. this was when it was clear he had a chance to actually maybe be even bigger than that. That there's something here. There's like a real actor here. On the Fincher thing, just quick. So just for the people listening, 7, 1995, we've done that one.

The game, 1997, we've done that one. Fight Club, 1999, we've done that one. So he's three for three heading into this movie. And that's what we talk about with the gravitas. Then he does Panic Room 02 Zodiac 07 We've done Zodiac

Benjamin Button 08 Social Network 2010 and then Gone Girl Which we've also done 2014 It is an incredible IMDB of movies

You skipped one and I think it's the one That's now become the most underrated Which is Girl with a Dragon tattoo That's the movie that I think Oh my bad The hardcore Fincher heads are like Is this one actually really great too?

And here's why the first time they saw it, they were like, why did he adapt this kind of lousy novel into a, you know, into a thriller? Wow, the Steve Larson heads are coming for you now. I'm sorry, my apologies to them. But, I mean, Dragon Tattoo, I watched it last two years ago when Mank came out. And I was like, also this rips. All of his movies rip. It's kind of amazing. They're all good. Alien 3 is good. Like, there's not a bad Fincher movie. There's not a bad Fincher TV show. He's just, he's the best. Yeah, it seems like the most prolific part of his career is, it was hard for me to read the IMD because he's also doing all these videos that are in there, too. I wish they

separated them. But Zodiac, Benjamin Button, 0708, social network 10, dragon tattoo 11, which had a lot of buzz because it was a big book. House of Cards creates the first two episodes. And does the pilot, then Gone Girl. And that's like an eight-year run that's pretty sick. But Panic Room, I saw it in the theater. I thought it was really good. I didn't walk away like being like this movie's going to be in my life 20 years later. But I think it's age really nice with some of the technique. We're going to take a break. I want to talk to Jody Foster. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here, so celebrate it with fresh, juicy, seasonal produce and some very tasty limited time flavors. New Whole Foods, Market Peach, Apricot, Rose, Italian soda. Perfect for a picnic or brunch,

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man. I don't know what it is about the choices she made in movies, but this is probably the most... trying to think of a better word than attractive. Kind of like attractive badass. It's like an Angelina Jolie part almost, which is interesting because I think they considered Angelina for this. The kind of part she stayed away from.

She's wearing the same outfit the whole movie. She looks great. And she's like an old school version of just, you know, an A-list actress in peril. It does a great job with it. But when you look back at where she was at this point, Contact, which is an awful movie. That was 1997.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's an awful movie, Sean. It's a disaster. Whoa, settle down. It's really bad. What's going on here? What's going? Why don't you like contact? It's bad.

Why don't you like contact? It's bad. But like, because you're not interested in its themes or you think Jake Busey's bad? Like, what's wrong with contact? What's wrong with it is I don't like bad movies. Anne and the King, 1999. This is a weird, like, I don't like Troy in reality bites. The conversation is over bit from him.

Yeah. Contact was bad. Contact came out in 1997 and people kind of looked around and they went that was disappointing. I wish that was better. Matthew McConae and Jody Foster had no chemistry at all and that movie sucked. That was the take.

I don't know if it's changed over the last 25 years but that was the take of 1997. I was there. I won't disagree with you that it's incredibly flawed. I think it's a really interesting movie and like a really bold movie for its time. I'll leave it there. She

needed a hit. It had been a dry run. I think she'd been passed by some actresses. And this helped. This got kind of a second way for her where she ends up in flight plan and inside man. One more run.

I don't think, you know, she started to raise kids, so I think she hit that stage two where she wasn't necessarily cranked her out three years. Yeah, directed a little bit, things like that. But this might be my favorite

Jody Foster performance, guys. I think this is number one for me. I think she does a really good job. and I was trying to think of other actresses I would have wanted. Maybe what you're reacting to is that Jody Foster, one of the hallmarks of the role she chooses,

the movies that she's in is she chooses to play characters who are put in these very extreme situations, but usually the characters themselves are really extreme. Like if you think about, you know, Nell or something like that. Like she has this facility to like kind of play characters, but this

version of someone in an extreme situation, like, remains pretty normal. Like Meg Altman is like a very like just normal person. And like that opening scene of her just like looking around the house, you're just like, yeah, this is like, this is cool. It's just Jody Foster wearing cool sunglasses, being a rich lady, checking out some real estate. Getting drunk in the tub with a couple of glasses of wine.

Very, very, very, very relatable in a way that I think very few of her films wind up being in some ways just because of the use. It's a good word, Chris. Relatable. That's the word I was looking for. she always feels like Jody Foster kind of going for it with some kind of goofy part. Right.

And in this time, this was a part that I think 10 actresses could have played. Like Sandra Bullock easily could have been in this movie. Joe Lee is a little too young for it, but around 07 range easily could have been in this movie. He'd going down the line. It's a standard really good actress part with a good director that I think a lot of them

would jump at. And then you think about what the Netflix algorithm feeds us home invasion movies and people in peril. Like, it's like everyone wants to make this movie now. This isn't, what's that movie, Birdbox, Sandra Bulk made? Yep. It's same kind of premise, right? But I think this is the really well done version of it.

Sean, where do you stand on Jody these days? I really like her. I mean, I don't think it's my favorite of her performances. Silence of the Lambs, I still think is probably the best thing she's ever been a part of. I can't get over. I don't, I'll never totally love the accent in that movie. Yeah, I guess that's a choice there. I mean, Chris's point is so on the money, though,

which is like in the accused or in this movie or even in the kind of more, you know, B grade stuff like flight plan. She is often playing a person in peril but who is incredibly steely and it, you know, knows the answers and knows how to get to the other side. And that goes all the way back to taxi driver. You know, that character is so young

and in such a dangerous circumstance and yet she is so confident that she knows how things are going to play out. So she has this preternatural ability to communicate that to audiences. I think that like it's not so much an actress thing. It's like an actor or actresses. This is kind of like a Charles Bronson

movie in a way where it's like a regular person is put in a dangerous circumstance and they have to knuckle up and fight their way out of it. You know, like Meg Altman is not a superhero. She is just a lady. And she does some pretty incredible things. I think especially of that moment when she like throws the syringes into the panic room. And that's like, it's almost like a, like a John Wu movie or something. You know what I mean? There's so extraordinary about that moment. It's really cool. And I don't know, you just, you buy her the whole time. I think in most movies that you see, her and you just always believe her, you know, and part of that is because she's been doing this for so long, but she's just a great classic screen presence. So you feel like you're in good hands

when you watch a movie like this. It's something she always had because you mentioned taxi driver, but she was also in a 1976, the little girl who lives down the lane, which is one of the five craziest movies you could ever rewatch. Like, I would love to just have a camera on producer Craig and his lovely fiancé Liz as they watched the entire. the little girl who lives down in the lane movie because it's like, you can't even believe it. I can't even describe how crazy it is, but in that

whole movie, she kind of, I mean, there's like a dead person living in the basement and there's a whole bunch of shit going on and a lot of stuff that would get canceled these days. But she's just the whole time, she always has the ability to just kind of seem calm, calculating, like she's trying to figure

out either a way out or a way to solve something, which is a really good quality. I don't know. I feel like would she win two Oscars? The accused inside Oscars, right? Yeah. It's pretty unassailable. What'd she get the second Oscar?

Like, Jesus. Yeah, and then, like, I think she's able to pull, like, an inside man out of her back pocket where you're just like, nobody's really thinking about Jody Foster movie star at that point. And she's just like, I'll go to toe to toll with Denzel Washington. But I think that's, I think that's a frustrating thing for me is I feel like there's a little more. You know, like there's like three more performances over. this stretch that I think I wanted that we didn't get. And especially like you think the prestige TV piece of this, where it's just, I would have just love to have seen her just dive into

some awesome character when she was in her 40s, something like that. I think she's, that moment's probably past. She has this propensity to take on, especially in the last 20 years, really challenging stories that you don't think are going to work with complicated collaborators. Like in the last 10 years, she directed Mill Gibson in a movie. She collaborated with Rush. Roman Polanski on a movie in 2011. You know, she's in Elysium as like basically the villain of that movie as a kind of like Condoleezza Rice stand-in, you know, kind of like... She's good, though. She's really good.

I thought she was pretty good in the Mortanian, which is like, was an Oscar movie a couple of years ago that most people didn't really see. That also starred Benedict Cumberbatch. That was about like a pretty critical issue, a true life story. And she plays this kind of hard-nosed lawyer. But like those kinds of movies and the kind of movies that she specializes in are also not. really at the center of the business anymore. And that might be part of it. She doesn't participate in franchise entertainment for the most part. So I don't see her as much. Yeah, I wonder, like, did she have a devil where's proud of Merrill Street moment in her? You know, like,

Merrill was probably like, I don't know, early 50s in that, but it just was kind of rejuvenated. It was a pop culture movie, you know, which something Fincher has specialized in. Affleck, think about Gone Girl, like what that did for him in 2014. And she kind of needed, I guess this was her version of it, but I wish she had had another one a little bit later. Can we talk a little bit of, do you want to do any of the production stuff now? Because I do think there's a kind of fascinating contrast with what, like, they started to do with this movie versus what it wound up being. And that's the casting of the main role. You want to do the casting what ifs now?

Yeah, let's do it. Well, I just wanted to mention. Well, we'll do the Nicole Kidman part. Yeah. So, like, it's a big deal. Like, this usually doesn't happen. But Nicole Kidman was cast as the role in the role of Meg. they started shooting the movie, and she aggravated an injury that she had suffered on

Moulin Rouge. I think she had like a knee injury. It was a knee. It was like not as bad as Rob Williams, me losing the 22 finals. I meant to mention that that's, uh, torn meniscus. In my house here, we've been sitting Shiva all day. It's really tough. Yeah. I know you were torn up. I can tell in Philadelphia where I am right now, there's a real like, there's a real tension on the streets. Everybody's just like not like this. We didn't want to, we didn't want to see the Celtics. We really wanted to see you guys go into the postseason. Astros time for your six or strength. That's fine.

But anyway, Kidman Kidman also had a knee injury. Kidman had knee injury and so they replace her with Jody Foster. And Fincher talks about this in the director's commentary for Panic Room, but he's basically like I had the luxury or like the

privilege to see two amazing movie stars give completely different readings on this character. Now partially because of what Fincher changed about the character once Jody Foster was cast. But apparently, like, the Nicole Kidman stuff, and David Fincher, feel free to release the Nicole Kidman cut whenever you want. I'd love to see it.

But apparently, the Nicole Kidman version of Meg is more feminine, slightly more like helpless. And then the Jody Foster role, obviously, is a little bit more like practical and pragmatic. And Fincher describes as political, which I guess leads to sort of like what you were saying about Sean about like, well, this is about like women and a woman in trouble kind of thing. But I think it's just amazing that like those two actresses might not be, they couldn't be more unalike, you know, in their acting style sometimes. Yeah, if this were sports, three different, actually four different things happened that Leitha Her being in this movie.

She's almost in the game in the Sean Pen role, which we covered on that podcast. And then I forget what the details were, but she ends up dropping out. And then they put Sean Penn in there. I think Michael Douglas wanted the character to have a brother or not a sister. So she's out of that. But Fincher files it away because he's always wanted to work for her. Then you have Nicole Kidman getting hurt on Moulin Rouge. Then you have her getting re-injured as they're filming this two weeks in.

And then you have Jody Foster who was already doing another movie. She was directing some movie called Flora Plum where Russell Crow got injured, left the project. Production shut down and this window opened. where on a week's notice, she can come on in and replace Nicole Kidman. So then she comes in and films like a bunch of months of it. And then it turns out she's pregnant. And they have to stop again after five weeks. And they decide the producers don't like the dailies.

I guess they had to like hide what she looked like because she was starting to look a little pregnant. And they shut it down. So this is why this thing takes two years. I had no idea about any of this. Fincher said Kidman was about glamour and physicality and Foster's portrayal as more political, what Chris talked about earlier.

I think they wanted the Kidman character to be a little more helpless. They rewrote it, made the mother-daughter bond a little stronger, but it's a pretty bizarre what-if. And then you think, like, this would have been good for Nicole Kidman, too. This would have been a good part for her.

Well, but there's one other wrinkle there because one of the movies that she goes on to make in the aftermath of not being able to do penit, room is the hours. Right. Lindsay Oscar. To her winning the Academy Award. So it's a really a fascinating switch.

And also now Nicole Kidman has still never worked with Fincher, even though he is kind of the sort of performer, someone who's iconic, who has a lot of kind of like the audience has a lot of baggage, but also is really great at transforming. Like he loves to riff on movie star personas. Like that's the same thing we're talking about with the Jared Leto thing. It's like, let me see how many times I can beat up this pretty boy on screen. Can I tear this guy's face off? Yeah.

Right. Fincher still thinks to Cole Kidman. sign of weakness that she got injured. It's the whole thing against her. I mean, could be. Can you imagine just being like, not even like the producer, but like the AD or the line producer on this movie and Fincher's shooting

like an eighth of a page every three days? Because he's got fucking remote control cameras flying around and is like, no, do it again to Dwight Yoakum. And then meanwhile, like, Nicole Kimman has to leave. Jody Foster's there, gets pregnant. And you're just like grinding through this movie where you're like,

I thought this was supposed to be a 90 minute thriller. Like, what are we doing? Right. But imagine his two editors where they think they edited the awesome camera zooming through the two floors and then Fincher's like, nah, not there yet. Yeah. He also got rid of his

director of photography on this and replaced him to Conrad Hall. Yeah. Well, the script was written by David Kep and it sold for $4 million, which was a record. He'd been inspired by news coverage of 2000 about different panicry.

I would love to see, I wish there was a movie reference.com, like there's for basketball reference.com, where there was just a page that lists all the scripts that broke the record for highest, because didn't Joe Esther House have that once for Basic Instinct? Him and Shane Black. The guy from Seventh and Forge had it. Yeah. Yeah, I would love to. I would just love to see that all laid out.

So weirdos in the internet. Try to work on that. $48 million budget made $197 million. That's the thing about this movie is it's one of the most successful movies that Fincher's ever made. And also Fincher usually makes hits. And this movie, 50 million made four times that. Pretty good.

Over and over again, and I think the reason he keeps popping on this pod, he makes movies that A are rewatchable. And B, you actually would have gone on a date to C with the exception of seven, right? Like social network, perfect date movie. I definitely would have gone on a date scene. Phoebe would have been down with that. What's in the box?

Do you hungry? So this So Panic Room It made 96 million domestically It was still in the top 25 It was kind of a weirdly good Year for box office But also the year when things change

Because this is a Spider-Man year But it was my big Fat Greek wedding was this year Signs was this year We had Harry Potter and Lord of the Wings By the way also written by David Kep Spider-Man Right

Austin Powers Gold member Men in Black, Ice Age, Beautiful Mind, Scooby-Dew, die another day, we had a Bond movie, we had Vin Diesel's failed Triple X, we had Minority Report, we had The Ring, Sweet Home Alabama, Born Identity, Some of All Fears, Black Hawk Down,

Red Dragon, Barbershop, keeps going and going. I remember being disappointed with this movie year as it was happening, but now looking back, it's actually half decent. And we had some good directors, and we had some good IP. We had a jackass the movie, Sean. We catch me if you can.

We had changing lanes. We had it all. We had insomnia. Some great directors this year. Like Mike, Oceans level must have been made before. Like Mike? Did you just drop a like Mike in there? Yeah, like Mike. The Blue Power movie.

Great kids movie. Blue Crush, which is dying to be on the rewatchables. Keep sending us letters. Like Mike, a favorite of time lord, Robert Williams? All right, Roger Ebert, three stars. He said there are moments when I want to shout advice at the screen, but just as often the characters are ahead of me. He's called Fincher of Virtual Virtual Virtuoso,

and he said Foster was spellbinding. Somehow couldn't give them the three and a half. I don't know, why not three and a half, Raj? He made a really great point that Fincher has pointed out, which is that this is one of the first movies he's made in which the audience is with you the whole time. Rather than the filmmakers knowing things that they're not revealing.

Yes. Like Seven and Fight Club, there are these huge twists at the center of these movies that are withheld from the audience. And so you get these shocking, surprising moments. And Panic Room is this real-time experience. Everything that is happening, we are seeing as it unfolds, which is fascinating. Is that the key to Fincher? There has to be a twist?

Not necessarily, but obviously that's something in the first half of his career. that he really cared about and kind of got stuck on a little bit. And I think you pointed out that like there is a gap between panic room and this new era that starts with Zodiac. And you can see that he's thinking about the way that he's telling stories totally differently. You know, Benjamin Button, all of these movies are less about like, boom, gotcha and more about thinking about the ideas at the center of the movie.

That's a really good point. I can't wait to do the re-social network and the re-zodiac. I wasn't on the last Zodiac. I know. I need to do that. You guys did a great job. You too and Greenwald. It's funny, you should go back and just do all the ones that you weren't on to like settle all Corleone family business.

The pod should only be like five minutes long where you're like, these are my only takes on this movie. I'm only okay with that if you let me on the ReCountry Strong. That's a solo pod, ReCountry Strong. We'll have to talk to Liz. All right, we're going to take a break. Come back with Most Rewatchable scene. Country Stronger. Most rewatchable scene. I just wrote down, the robbers show up. That's it for the entire movie. This little girl on the top floor. There's a woman on the third step office.

This is your department. They are not supposed to be here. Video tape. What? We're on videotape. We've been on videotapes that we got within 10 feet of this place. And the tape's wrong sticks. 14 day escrow.

Fuck to me. 14 day escrow men. That's almost three weeks. They should not be in here for another week. Business days. Escro is always business days. Five day weeks, always. It's about 20 minutes in.

There's a lot of four points. I don't mind when they're going through the house deciding whether they're by it. I don't mind seeing Sad Jody in the bathtub and, you know, lay in the groundwork for the diabetes with the daughter without actually telling us the daughter has diabetes. You got to use your brain, which is another Fincher's state. They don't have the awkward scene in the kitchen where she's like... Don't forget your insulin.

Don't forget your insulin because of your diabetes. Right. That's what I was saying in the beginning. It's just not like, make sure you bring orange juice to your room in case your diabetes ex-is. It's like, no. You know, we don't want to have another seizure like we had nine months ago. Like, they don't do any of that.

I do. Can I just say, I do think that that intro scene when they walk through the house, though, is pretty critical to the movie to just giving you the spatial awareness of everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sets up everything so beautifully. It's almost like a prologue. I don't love the actor who was the realtor, who I think was one of those guys from General Hospital. Yeah, he's a huge soap opera actor.

Huge soap opera actor. It was like somebody called in sick last minute and they got that guy instead, but that could have been such a good part for somebody. Right? Can we dust off Andy Garcia for five minutes? As like the handsome... Just give you some star power. Yeah.

Was Olivier dead by this point? Could we have gotten him to do it? Yeah, where's Olivier? Where's Paul Newman? Old Paul Newman aging? I like when the robbers show up. We have to immediately figure out all three of them. One of them has a ski mask on from the get-go.

Like, who's this guy? That's fucking Raoul. Nobody gets hurt. What about us? What if she has a gun? I'm Raul. Leto's got the cornrows. I don't know.

I didn't know where you come. Jared Leto is essentially like an homage to Iverson in this movie. Yeah. Yeah, he should have the Sixers jersey on. That would be a little conspicuous, I think. Jody finds out there in the house. she's like kind of groggy from the three glasses of wine she's going to pee

forgot she left the panic room on goes in to shut it off and see somebody in the TV great moment I hate when I leave my panic room open it's so annoying in the middle of the night you got to get up when are we going to talk about which one of us is most likely to get a panic room I'm obviously the winner of that one what are you talking about actually a better question is how many

panic rooms do you own bill I'm going right now Can you imagine if you just like shut yourself into a panic room and you were like, I'm ready. At least I have my podcasting gear. I'm ready. You turn all the security cameras onto like the NFL Sunday ticket. I'm imagining you watching those surveillance screens, but it's just, it's just footage of Robert Williams.

And it's like, Robert Williams. No! Yeah, I have the panic room. It's just 18 angles of home Celtic games. Jody finds out there in their house it's always a great moment in any home invasion thing which there's been

let's be honest varying degrees of success with the genre which is way more of a genre I think at this point there's been more home invasion movies than home invasions

but there's always that moment when it's like wait a second that window wasn't open or I think I thought I just heard footsteps or what was that noise

downstairs and it's just there's that minute or 30 seconds or 10 seconds when you can see that person trying to register like I have to solve this somebody's in the house.

Right. And it's good. And Jody does a lot of good stuff with her eyes in this movie. Just in general, I think that's one of her best skills as an actress. The close-up of Jody Foster's face

as you can see her kind of crunching the calculus for how to handle something. So it's just really good stuff. And then, you know, Sean, you get this. You have a daughter now. it's a weird thing when you have a kid,

especially a smaller kid, your calculus goes from, I have to defend myself to I have to defend my kid. So the calculus is like, who's down there and how do I get my kid? And you can see her trying to figure that out. It's good.

It's kind of amazing how I quickly I've shifted from. I have to defend my Blu-ray collection. Yeah. I have another human. that I have to think about here. Yeah, it's pretty good. As a childless man, I would just do Croft Maga

and just go running after the three guys. Just be like, I have nothing to lose. No kids. Chris goes screaming. Get my wife stay out of your fucking mad. Chris, you would have caught a Raoul silencer bullet right to the dome, man. That would have been telling you.

The movie would have been five minutes long. I would have been like, you guys want to look at for the safe cut me in. Let's let's work out of deal. Let's go. Let's go. Forzies. So there's actually,

there's a new horror movie called C for me. Are you guys familiar with this movie? No. It's a home invasion movie. I'll explain it really quickly. It's about a blind woman who works as a cat sitter and a house sitter. But the twist is that she also robs the houses when she cats sits. But the house that she is,

that she's going to rob is then robbed. by three thieves. And then the four of them work together to rob the house, sort of. Okay. This movie's coming out on Shudder in like a month. It came out in theaters a few months ago. Wow. It's very much in the same vein as panic room, but that would be like,

CR, if you went downstairs and you were like, Raoul, let's get cooking. Let's collaborate on this joint. CR would have negotiated with Raoul right away. We've made so many home invasion movies that now we're taking away sight or hearing or senses from the person who's being home invaded. We've run out of normal versions of that. What would happen if there was a home invasion on like Stephen Hawking?

Seriously. What was Don't Breathe? That was another version of this, right? Yeah, well, that's what. Wait Until Dark is the original version of that, right? For the 60s where Audrey Hepburn plays a blind woman who her house is broken into. Jody gets her phone.

Just great, Fincher. I got to get my phone. there's some incredible slow-mo. Mostly slow-mo just doesn't work in movies or they botch it in some way. But the way they have the slow-mo in this, and she's looking for the phone, and Whitaker's talking in slow motion to the other two guys.

But you can't hear anything he says. You'll see the words being mouthed, which is amazing. And she's, like, looking in the covers, it realizes underneath. Then we have the classic reaching for the phone, not being able to get it. It's just a banger three minutes. Great scene.

Lett O'Crews. up and says how much money is really in the safe is my next rewatch. God, I love when the criminal screw up. Grand kids, 6% of the hair in the tax. Fuck, I still don't put away 8 or 900 grand and keep my goddamn hair. Take it.

Go out and get loaded. Wait a minute. Say what you said again. Say that shit about the money again, baby cakes. Standard. Chris, when we write our Michael Mann movie for him, we have to have a thing where the robbers

mistakenly reveal how much they were actually getting versus... He hates stupidity. All the guys in Michael Man movies are full of excellence. Like, we wouldn't,

he wouldn't go for our, like, what if we had a dumb thief? What's the name of your Michael Man movie? It's called Heat. Is that like how they, how they call the new scream, just scream?

Yeah, it's just heat. It's back. More bank robbers. What about, you guys are... Gun scene. Black Hat, too? I'm still trying to figure out what happened in Black Hat 1.

I'm like 80% there. I've watched it. When you get to 85, we do the rewashables. Yeah, there's a whole part of the middle where I just can't really tell you what's going on. I'd like to stand by the fact that when the movie was over, when Chris and I saw it together, I was like, that was really bad. And Chris said, I thought it was good. Chris was in from moment one. Chris, if there is a Chinese restaurant fight scene being filmed by a wide high.

security camera. Chris is in. Get the wide shot of just people flying around. I know. All in. Two more rewatchable scenes than you guys can add.

So the switcheroo with the dad and Raoul, another one of my favorites. A little silence of lambs homage. The guy with the security guard. Ah!

That guy, whatever that guy's name was. I just did by Robert Shaw. The guy who gets killed by Lecter. Ah! They do the switcher. Cheroo. Jody doesn't figure it out.

Jody, not a rocket scientist a couple times. Doesn't figure out that they might have just switched to two people. And then those two get in the panic room and they close it. And now her daughter's in there having a diabetic seizure. Yeah. Pretty good stuff. Last one is just the ending. Just everything that happens.

What else do you have for? We watchable scenes. A huge one is running the gas into the panic room. Propane tank. Yeah. It's Apex Mountain for propane. That whole sequence is absolutely mind-blowing. Are you going to tell us why you don't like the propane tank scene?

I mean, I was going to really dive into this for picking nits. I just think Jody blows up. Like, I think she blows up. I think everyone dies in the panic room the moment she lights the flame. Did you run some experiments on this? How do you know? There's too much propane gas in the panic room already, and it's a closed space. And I just don't see how she doesn't blow up.

She doesn't even get injured. She doesn't even burn like a fingernail. She burns her hand. Barely. Come on. I don't see a fire blanket. She does this thing where she dives backwards as she does it. I just don't think anyone and not even Robert Williams is that good of an athlete to be able to die backwards like that.

Not anymore. So that's why I didn't include that. You're right. It's a fucking awesome scene. I love seeing Jared Leto catch on fire. The blue flame is great. I was sorry. I really did it.

I like Time Lord. I don't know why I keep fucking saying this. Well, listen, it's all going to come back on you, Carmel, West. Okay. You have a Joelle and B. he said nine knee injuries already. This is going to be really weird when people are listening to this episode like a year

from now. 12 minutes of Robert Williams and 10 minutes of Will Smith at the Oscars. Leight Meester references. Yeah, I just I thought that scene was too unrealistic. But I agree with you. It's incredibly watchable.

It's really exciting at the anticipation before the explosion. You know, like that is pitch perfect suspense filmmaking. Also, that propane's not going away right away, even after the explosion. It's going to be in there for a while. Have you, do have a lot of experience with propane?

Just like burn something in your kitchen. See how long the smoke stays there. Now imagine that's like 10 minutes of propane gas. I don't really know how to, I'm, I just, it's been a while since I watched Backdraft. I don't really know. What do you have for most rewatchable scene, Chris? Well, I was going to go with the propane until you just took a shot at big

propane here. I'm going to go with the propane. Propane tanks. I thought that would like, Leto just like banging on the wall and trying to listen and then like his reaction to like getting burned up. It's just all that stuff where you're arguing about whether or not Raul needs to turn

the tank off. Yeah. It's awesome. You can tell you. Turn this shit off. No. Turn it down! It's weirdly character building because it shows you what a psychopath Raul is too, which obviously is made manifest

when he shoots Leto later in the movie. I think that's the best scene in the movie, even though the point you're making is totally fair, which is, like, for a movie that feels very realistic in its execution, that part strains credulity, but so exciting. The propane wouldn't get out through that little

hole? I think it would take a while. Okay. I have Jody gets her phone as my favorite scene. That one is number two. I really like watching that scene, just in general. What stage is the best? Forrest Whitaker as the good burglar. we talked in the victory podcast about Max Van Saito as the good Nazi

and we always have these good twists on these characters that are usually terrible in movies. The good burglar, the good Nazi, where it's like, this guy's a piece of shit and he was setting up security places for, you know, this was his job. There's a sense of honor that goes into that and he's just going to completely disgrace it

just because he wants to get some bearer bonds. Well, he has like some financial motivation. Sounds like he's got some custody issues, you know. Chris, is this part of the podcast where one of us tries to explain what bearer bonds are? Because I still don't know it. I've seen them in the 100 movies. Not since Die Hard. Have we spent 25 minutes on bearer bonds?

If I was involved with... I still don't know what they are. If I was involved with, like, if those guys broke into my house, I'm living in this townhouse by myself, childless. And these guys come in. First, I get in my panic room, but I get a PA and I'm just... like, guys, let me make a little deal with you. And I'm like, you steal these barabonds. You sell them back to the insurance.

You saw it when Michael Man movie was. I saw, you guys have seen Heat. I've done a couple podcasts on it. You sell, I sell these to you. You sell them back to the insurance. No reason anyone has to get their panties in a twist. I think barabonds have popped up in at least eight to ten rewatchables movies. That's because they're so light.

It's so light. It's so good to just be like, oh, look, bearabonds. to have like 10 bags of cash. Yeah, $22 million in one safe and one panic room is not feasible. Barabonds are though. They are. Still don't know how to get one. Is there a bear bond shop? Where do I get them? Yeah. They're inside of Target now. Yeah. Yeah. If you go to Target, they'll is there. Is there one in the Century City Mall? It's going to stop by there today. Get some barabonds. You should ask Ben, your son, if he knows what Barabonds are, like versus like NFTs or something like that. Yeah, it'll be like there's a little dirk song about it for sure.

Producer Craig, do you know what bearer bonds are? Just like a, just like a security you own of something? I don't know. Yeah, see, nobody knows what bearer bonds are. Nobody, not one person. Well, in fairness, it's the three of us at Craig who are discussing it. I wouldn't say that this is our area of expertise. But it's a good plot device.

And it is believable that a multi-millionaire billionaire would have something like that. Oh, I see. So I just Googled this. Barabonds, the thing, the reason why they're always in crime movies is because they're owned by whoever holds them, not by like a registered owner. So they're like the original Bitcoin. Yeah. But it's basically like if you rob an armored truck and steal the Barabonds, you know, Mr. Van Zant

can't be like, that's my, those are mine. Finders keepers. I hate to break it to you, but that's also how cash works. Yeah. Is that what's the difference? I still don't get it. But these are Barabonds. Morewood's age the best.

Forrest Whitaker, I think, is the most all over the map actor we've had for the last 35 years where you think, like, he can play the psychic in species. He can win an Oscar as Edie Amin. He can play the good burglar in Panic Room. He can play the linebacker in Fast Times of Richmond High. I just don't have a feel for that dude. He could play the guy in Bird, which people thought he was robbed of an Oscar that year.

But then you go through some of his other stuff, and he's like, I mean, he's in Taken 3. He's literally in Taken 3. He plays Frank Dotsier. He's in, uh, I mean, he's in Black Panther. Like, it's just nobody is all, it's like he's one of,

he likes to work. He's like the Jeff, he's like the Jeff Green of actors. He's just, Like, oh, remember that time Jeff Green one game seven of the Eastern Conference finals? But he's better than Jeff Green. I don't know how to put him in perspective, Sean. I think that might be a diss to Forrest Whitaker. I said he's better than Jeff Green.

I'm just saying he keeps popping up over the years. I had read that he was, because, you know, he's a director as well. And I had read that he was offered this script to direct at a certain point. And he declined, but he wanted to act in it, which is really strange. I mean, I don't know. He's one of a kind. He's a great actor. He's been working for 40 years.

And the way he chooses parts is extremely confusing. He also hasn't been in a movie in a long time. It's been almost five years since he's been on screen. But he's on TV, right? He has. He's in, is it King of Harlem? What's the show that he's on right now that's on epics? Godfather of Harlem.

Godfather of Harlem. He wins an Oscar in 06. He's also in the same year plays Curtis Ames on ER for six episodes. Hmm. He's in the shield for 13 episodes. In 2007, he makes three movies, the air I breathe, ripple effect, and the great debaters. And he follows that up in 08 with Vantage Point,

dragon hunters, and street kings, which I kind of liked, and winged creatures. Street Kings is cool. Street Kings are watchables? But he's just, it's all over the map. Sometimes he'll have a movie, and it will seem like, oh, this is it, he's taken off now. doesn't. And then he was in like,

the color of money. He's going toe to toe to with Newman. Yeah. Mid-80s. I just I can't get a grasp on him. In a good way. He keeps me on my toes, Forrest Whitaker. He directed Hope floats, Bill. He directed Hope floats? He also directed First Daughter starring Katie Holmes.

This is a man having a strange career. And he passed on Panic Room. He was like, no thanks. He was like, I need to prep for First Daughter coming in 2004. And Jeff Green had 25 in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals and sent the calves

to the 2018 finals. In other words, age of the best. The graphics at the beginning are amazing. I don't know how they do that. Those big building boxes as different parts of New York,

it's so fucking cool. The title sequence is so fucking awesome. But such a, like such a purposeful decision to do something that is so external and massive for a movie that is all inside. Right.

Good point. Diabetes situation we mentioned. That age of the best. Well, just how they handled it. Oh, yeah. How they were not overt about it at all. It was all very subtle. The Kristen Stewart piece of this.

Huge. I remember thinking this, now I sound like LeBron. I remember I told my wife that Kristen Stewart was going to get nominated for an Oscar someday. No, but I do remember seeing this in the theater and being like, that person is like really high end for a child actor. There's a casting what if there too.

Yeah, we're going to get to that. I love any movie where somebody says, this is another one's aged the best, when somebody says, I can't go to prison, man. I'm not going for that shit. That's the best. Chris, we're putting that on our movie.

Somebody saying that to somebody at some point. I'll put it on my tombstone. He couldn't go to prison. It's a good senior yearbook quote, right? I know the people may be figuring out senior yearbook quotes right now. Maybe squeeze that one in. Which one do you like better? I can't go to prison.

Or I've been to prison and I won't go back. I'm not going back. I'm not going back. Yeah, they're telling you, I'm not going back. You have to take me. I'm never going back. Yeah. Yeah.

Prison does sound great. Just the recurring theme and the rewatchables. I just want to be clear that this movie sounds bad, guys. Like, I think you got, if that's what we're working with, dialogue-wise, got to step it up. No cliches. Need an editor. Well, we haven't really gotten a chance to break the story with Mike yet.

So I just, like, when we do, I'll let you know what we arrive at. Spoiler alert, I also add I can't go to prison man I'm not built for that shit and Woodsage is the worst because it is the hackiest moment from a script standpoint because it just feels like

the cliche thinkerger said What's the age of best Jared Letto's death in this movie Really good gunshot to the head Jesus. Everything about Letto in this movie is awesome.

Well, I had that as the next What's Age the Best Yeah, just Leto. Unreal in this movie. Lett-a-s maybe, Chris? We're living in it. Where did he? He never left us, right?

So I think they need to make this movie again, but Leto has to use his accent from the We Crash show where he goes in, he's like, I think the panic room is up on the second floor. I think we could break into it. And just he does that for two hours. How does she not have anything, any purses? Why don't understand what Barabonds are?

And he's just talking like that. Sean's horrified Leto's accent's actually pretty good compared to House of Gucci in the We Crash No? I enjoyed him in House of Gucci I mean he's beautiful and perfect

in House of Gucci You guys Your love of House of Gucci is one of the most insane ringer moments of the last six years That movie is terrible He's terrible in it It's a bad movie

I want to so Like a pigeon It's so bad He's great I love him He's hilarious Merge House of Gucci Contact

Merge them into One terrible movie Make a mix tape That's me and Sean's movie High fashion Meeting of God In a sci-fi realm House of Contact Gucci

Letto's great in this You know I saw Leto At a restaurant once We were both at the valet SLS hotel I'm gonna say mid-2000s Okay Tiny guy

Oh Sure they all are right Not taller than maybe five, six. Tell you who's not tiny's. Will Smith. Will Smith not as tiny. Will Smith punching Jared Letto would have been a big deal. Do you know, what was he driving?

Do you remember? Don't remember, but you're not going to believe this, but he had a smoke show with him. And they were waiting for a car and smoking a cigarette. It was like one of the more cliched Hollywood things I'd seen in the 2000s. Was he driving something really idiosyncratic?

Did the valet pull up in a unisly? or something? Don't remember. It was the same dinner that, same dinner where one table over, it was, oh, you know what? It was after the hangover.

It was probably like right around maybe six months after the hangover. And one table over were the Olson twins eating with Zach Alfenakis and the guy from the hangover ends up on the roof, which I think one of them were dating.

Justin Bartha. Justin Bartha. Me and Sean saw him at a winery once. We sure did. Yeah, like that guy. That guy got a lot of mileage out of the hangover. Yeah, so we went from that

to Leto and it's like, wow, great night in L.A. Weird yet again. Any other What's Age the best for you guys? I don't know that we're doing this movie justice. We're going to. We're just wait till picking this. Can you tell him a little punch drunk?

Yeah, I just wanted to just say how much I thought. I mean, well, I also would say that Yocum, who's got one of my favorite IMDs. Yeah, let's hear it. Well, it's essentially this and wedding crash. Is that it? No, it's a couple of other things, but like, this is the guy's range is like doing

Raoul or doing Rebecca D. Mornay's husband and wedding crashers. Yeah, I mean, I think Fincher said he saw him in Slingblade and that was what made him want to cast him. And it's just for him who's like not, I guess like not, I wouldn't say a natural actor. Yeah. To have like screen presents to be wearing a mask against Jared Letto going 100 miles per hour with Corn Rose and the Forrest Whitaker who's thinking already. about doing first daughter.

Dwight Yolkham is like the malevolent force of evil in this movie. He really is. Raul, the bus driver, is just a great creation. All right, coming back, what's age the worst? I mentioned the propane gas thing. I just think she blows herself up. Another what's age of the worst for me is the husband character in this movie? Steve.

Yeah. Do we have to go that much over the top for a marriage not working out here? So it's like Steve, I guess we're supposed to think he left Jody for another woman. Yes. Right? Yes. And so as his reward for that, he gets to have the absolute shit beaten out of him by these three burglars for a half hour and then can't even shoot one of them, even though he has like 17 different cracks at it. and is just completely broken and emasculated by the end of this movie.

I'm not sure they had to go that far, I guess is my point. Are you, should we, should they redo the movie told from Steve's perspective? Because that movie is basically, Stephen Altman goes across the park, gets fucking destroyed. Yeah. And then if he doesn't come. And he's like, you got to buy me a new house. He doesn't come back at some, if he's not back in 20 minutes, isn't the new girlfriend calling the police frantically? The other one's aged the worst is I just feel like the cops come in when the guy from Oz come dressed up as a police officer comes.

Was that Kirk Acevedo? No, that's Paul Shulze. No, that's the priest from the Sopranos. But he was also on Oz. Was he? Was he? Yeah, it was Kirk Acevedo on Oz. No, that's not Kirk Asvado is the name of an actor.

Yeah. Oh, I'm getting my Oz Sopranos mixed up. you're right, he was the priest on the Sopranos. I'm thinking of the guy who is Kirk Azavito. Father Phil, right? Is that wrong? Paul Schultz is the guy's name. It's him and Mel Rodriguez are the cops.

I just feel like they want to come in. Just like, she's not letting them in. And at some point, that starts to become weird. And you're like, let me fucking in. I want to see what's going on. Something's not adding up here. I'm coming in. The movie is pretty unkind towards emergency services in general.

Like the fact that she calls 911, and they're like, please hold. And the fact that the person, police are called by Stephen Altman. It takes them 20 minutes to get there, maybe more than that, depending on the timeline of the movie. And then, even though they realize that they need to come back because the cop doesn't trust what she's saying to him at the door, it still takes another hour, 45 minutes for them

to send the siege group. So the whole thing is pretty skeptical of that system. I have some nitpicks that easily could have also been in what stage the worst, but we'll save him for later. Chris, any one said you worse for you? No, I still have the same thing. Nip picks. Casting what if? So, Hayden Paineteer was originally cast in the Kristen Stewart role and left the project

toward the end of 2000. Then there's some stuff about Fincher and the director's commentary talked about the child actor who played I guess they fired somebody. I don't know if it was hated Painting Terror or a third actress, but Stewart, somehow they landed in her and she was great. But there's some other one that he mentioned was bad. We had to get rid of her. So I don't know if that

was Hayden Pantir or not. The word I saw going around, and I don't know if this is true, is annoying that he found the actress that they fired annoying. Well, Hayden Pantir might qualify for that. The role of Raoul

was originally offered to Mainer James Keenan. This is one of the greatest casting what ifs in the history of the Rouache. It might be number one. Love this. Yocum, number two choice. And then we ended up with the magic of Yolkim.

We've ended up with Dwight Yocom and playing somebody named Raul. Fincher had just directed the video for Perfect Circles Judith, which is an awesome song and an awesome video. I didn't know you were a tool fan, Sean. Yeah, low key. I don't want to be identified with some of the worst traits of the tool fan, but I guess I'm talking about it here on a podcast, so I will be. But he actually is like the more spelt, more imposing version of Dwight Yolkham.

Like there's something, there's a commonality between Maynard and Yocum that you can see why he replaced him. Clint Howard was like, I'm right here. My whole life for a part like this. That's like an evolutionary chart, you know, like from Crow Magnon Man up to human, you know. I think it starts with Clint Howard and then it goes to Dwight Yocum and then it goes up to Maynard. And eventually ends with Billy Bob Thornton. I think because we're talking about Heat so much, this would have been a good role for Rollins. Wow.

Oh, yeah. Henry Rollins is Raoul An enforcer. Yeah. I have somebody better than that, but then you're going to be jealous of it, Chris. But I'll wait until we get to recasting couch. Time Lord?

Not Time Lord. Best that guy, aka the Joey Pants of Word. I had either Father Phil from the Sopranos, who I thought was the guy from Oz, or the realtor who was also on every soap opera, including General Hospital, and I think was feuding with Robert Scorpio at 1.30 years ago. I think the fact that you confused whether he was on Oz or the

Sopranos means he gets the guy of a winner. Vince and Hannah give me all he got a word for overacting. Our guy Leto just dials it up. Yeah. Just there's some dialing. D.N. Waiters are where it's got to be Raoul. Even though he's in it a lot, he's in it too much. But he can say, well, maybe he's not eligible the more I'm thinking about it.

We're going to have to make an exception. I think it can be Raul or Jr. Because I mean, maybe if you have less than 12 lines in a movie, you can be eligible for Dian Waders. this is that tough one. It's a true five-hander. There are five movie stars in this movie, basically. But I wouldn't say that, like, we can't really give Stephen Altman Dion Waiters, right?

Nobody gets it then. Yeah, you're right. That guy just gets his skeleton shattered. Like, we have these conversations, and, like, there's a rewatchables oversight committee. Like, we're going to get notes afterwards. It's like, you know, we ran the numbers, and it turns out Leta was eligible. So retroactively, we'd like to announce. Dionne Waiter's Jared Leto.

Chuck Grassley looked at the numbers. We'll circle back six months from now. The recasting couch. I had two ideas here. One was that Jody's ex-husband, Meg's ex-husband. What was that guy's name, Stephen, whatever? Stephen Malden, yeah. Have him played by Anthony Hopkins.

That's actually really funny, Bill. Thanks. Thank you. I was going to say like a really good one would be. because I know that Jody Foster was supposed to be in the game at some point. I think Michael Douglas

would have been a great cameo as Stephen, especially if he was going to get the shit kicked out of him. Yeah, I don't think he would have agreed to that. My other recasting couch, I'll do respect to Dwight Yonkham. I'm sure Anthony Hopkins would be like, yeah, throw me around.

Jody owes him. She wanted him to ask her. Tony, this is Dwight Yolkham. He's going to bash your face in all day. I mean, he didn't get attacked by a bear. Wow. An edge callback? Yeah. Ted Levine in the Dwight Yocan part.

I mean, talk me out of it because you're not going to. What if he did it as James Gumb? That's what I mean. Should Raoul have, have, because he has a ski mask on, did his voice need to be a little more like intimidating, memorable than it was? Let's just run through the entire cast of heat and decide who could play Raoul. Pacino? Pacino definitely, yes. Maybe bring back the Carlito's Way. Pachino is Raoul? I'm going to say no of Pacino.

Okay, De Niro? No? No. But we go, Henry Wallens, Fickner, Seismore, Valcimer, 100%. This is a perfect time of Valcummers. My wild card would be West Dutie. Oh, yeah. I like it. West Dutie. Why not Diane Vonora? I mean, why stop there? Natalie Portman? Could she have played Raoul? John Voight, little older, but John Voight could have been in this movie. Size more, I think, is the answer.

Size more? Yeah. Have Fast Internet research. Kristen Stewart grew more than three inches during the filming. Oh, wow. That's another website I want. We talked about screenwriting records. I also want the complete database of child actors

who grew during the filming where they had to, it actually fucked up how they were filming the movie. The kid from Ozark is like the number one. Yeah. The kid from Ozark is the thing. Kate Cunningham of this category. We've done

230 movies. I swear this is, this nugget has been in like 15 of them. Child actor X grew during the filming and they had to figure it out. So she was towering over Jody Foster by the time it was done.

And they had to, that's why they had to sit them at the bench. Kristen Stewart's array of post moves. She was like Yonest. Just fucking jamming on Jody Foster all day long. She went from 5'6 to 610. How many takes do you think it took for Sarah's medical bag sliding across the floor outside the panic room?

Like 46. I can't even amount. I was going to say 50. 103. What? Yeah. Fincher wanted to get that one right. It was all worth it.

That shot rules. Shot's great. The house is located at 38 West 94th Street in New York City. You can go there and stand outside. Be outside the Panic room house if you want. They constructed the force. Story Brownstone set, Arthur Max, production

design team took 15 weeks, $6 million. At Raleigh Studios. In lovely Hollywood. Are we going to talk about the cameras, Bill? Yeah, go ahead. Well, I mean, just basically, like, Fincher kind of, I don't know whether he invented,

but he certainly innovated and popularized this way of, like, using the camera without a camera operator. Right. So that he would basically map out these shots and be able to control the shot without it. Now, Sean, was it digitally like

an after effect or were they doing that on the set? There was CGS stuff with it, yeah. Yeah, pre-visualized and then animated combined with what the footage that was shot. Right. So it was basically like I can move from one room to another without having to lay down dolly tracks or whatever. And then

my favorite anecdote, which you can read, it's pretty, it comes up pretty fast when you research on panic room is he explained all of this and showed some of this stuff to Steven Soderberg. Soderberg was like, this is going to drive you insane if you do it this way. Like, this is going to be really hard. And he was right.

The other thing is probably worth noting, if we're going to talk about that stuff, is that Darius Conji started out as the cinematographer of this movie and quit and or was fired six weeks into it. And so Conrad Hall stepped in to do it. But, I mean, this is the guy who shot seven. You know, it's one of the most accomplished cinematographers. And they haven't worked together since, obviously. Hmm.

Yeah. And some of the research, it was like, it's the right move. But yeah. And there's a lot of like, stuff that he had started to do a little bit with Fight Club is like really like fleshed out

in panic room where it's like you go into the hose and through the grate and down this thing. Love that stuff. That keyhole shot is really great. Sean loves when we take cameras inside walls.

It's one of his favorite things. Yeah. I need that website. You need the website about child actors growing during productions, but I need a website all the time the camera went into a wall.

Your whole thing on big picture should be like I liked Cota but they didn't have any shots that went inside of a wall. Three out of four. I wanted to be inside that Gloucester townhouse. Clearly you haven't been listening to the show because I've been on this for months. Belfast. Sweet

story. No walls. I just called Gloucester. I think I'm definitely punching from two plus hours of pods last day. Speaking of the thing, Sean loves, Blu-rays. I do. This is not on Blue Rui. Panicrim. As of this week, it's on Blu-ray.

What? Yeah. It's like one of the last big motion pictures not released on Blu-ray until this week for the 20th anniversary. Are you buying it right now? I'm pulling it up on Amazon. Where are it at? I'm not seeing it, Bill. It's just telling you that's my research.

I have the DVD Superbit collection, which I've had for many, many years since it was released. And shit, I don't know. Can you point me in the direction of this? I'll play you after. watching the super bit version of Panic Room, you're like there's a lot of room to grow here in terms of how much better this could look? Yes.

100%. You know why it's not out? It comes out on 329. Maybe that's not I have one last goofy internet research thing. Jody Foster in the movie Foxes 1980 played alongside Sherry Curry

from the runaways. She played Kristen Stewart's mother in panic room. And then Kristen Stewart played Sherry Curry's bandmate Joan Jett in the runaways. See, it all comes for a circle, see you. Circle of life, yeah, for sure. Apex Mountain, Fincher, no. No.

Foster, no. Kristen Stewart, no. Was Foster's silence when you guys did that? I thought it would be, because it's, it's like, she has that whole 91 to 94 run where I feel like she... I think it sounds and lamps. Yeah, but it sounds like... Not contact.

Diabetes in a movie? that doesn't I don't think I don't know that doesn't seem right I'm just trying to think have they used yeah but like

there must have been character wasn't Julia Roberts in Steele magnolia's diabetic Shelby drink your juice remember yeah I'm trying to think I feel like there's been

a better use of it as a plot device oh dog day afternoon right as the manager has diabetes that's right that's good Jared

Leto know. Chugging wine in the bath, seeming sad about your divorce? I think yes. How about characters name Raoul? I was going to say that. Yeah. Is this or just Raouls in general? No, I think there's a couple of baseball players that I think probably have the Raoul leg up on this Raoul. Both Mondes. Mondes. Mondes. Yeah. Royal Julia. Yeah. My cousin's middle name is Raoul and I can hear my aunt screaming at him. Adam Raoul! when she was really mad at him. Forrest Whitaker, no. Panicrums, yes. I mean, whole movie's built around a panic room.

Movies called Panic Room. You're not beating Panic Room, Apex Mountain. Girl power in a movie, no, but it's in the discussion. Girl power? Girl power. They underestimated the mom and the daughter. They thought they could just walk all over and grab the bearerbonds. I mean, like, I'm not debating whether or not.

Turn tables on them. All right. I think those. ladies would have been dead if not for Forrest Whitaker. Good counter. Dwight Yokem? I don't know enough about Dwight Yolkham's career for Apexma. The song Long White Cadillac

is really a great Dwight Yocum. Also a good euphemism for cocaine that I've heard before. But that was probably saying that Yolkum selling out like Jerry World or whatever is probably big. That's another website I would want. Just euphemisms for cocaine and music and movies

and television shows over the years. I think we actually have the apparatus to build that. We could just do all these websites if you want. Yeah, microsites. Like the R&MBA drafting. That's a great third act for you. Just launching Rando websites. Yeah.

I'm on it. Tool? No. Dwight Yocum, probably not. And then we're done with Apex Mountain. What about propane tanks? That's pretty good. That's what, you know?

Propane explosions in a movie. Yeah. Movie propane explosions. That's pretty good. Okay. All right, here we go. This is important. Picking Nits. I've seen this movie enough times now that Jody Foster's inability, A, to understand when they're all downstairs, go get your fucking phone. Open the panic room, go get your phone. Like, for somebody who's so smart and is outwitting these burglars, like, that's my number one instinct.

I have the TVs. I can see everybody. The moment they're downstairs, I'm getting my fucking phone. waiting for, Jody? I think that there are multiple opportunities and reasons why I would try to make quick burst runs out of the panic room. Yeah. Just one idea here, just throwing this against the wall, see if it sticks. Open the panic room door and just fucking start throwing stuff out the window, you know, and see if anybody's like, wow, there's like crazy shit happening in this house. We got to call the cops. But it's not about running out of the panic room. It's about opening the panic room door, having Kristen Stewart watch the monitor and very quietly

go look for your phones so as not to disturb the robbers upstairs, get it back, keep the panic room door open so that you can make a phone call with service because you can't make a phone call out of the panic room. But you're able to see what's happening on the screen the whole time because you have these surveillance

cameras. She doesn't do any of those things. Obviously she's panicked because this is terrifying. But there's a pretty easy way out of this. The whole point of the panic room is to be able to close it shut and to be able to call it with the cops, obviously. She couldn't pull it off. Which leads me to the B piece of this.

So she gets the phone finally. That's phone in the panic room. Panic room's closed. No service. But then there's multiple times when all the burglars are downstairs. Just open the panic room, walk five feet, and call the fucking police.

And the movie's over. Where the movie's done in 40 minutes 8 and we're going home. Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting that she calls her ex. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like you could make a more, like, Well, that leads to the next nitpick.

She calls 911 first. They put her on hold. What world does 911 put people on hold? I actually asked my dad about this. He's a police officer, or he was a police officer. He said that occasionally in busy cities, if it is a really busy night crime-wise, they do unfortunately have to put people in hold. So it's technically possible in, like, New York City.

Wow. Producer Craig. Jesus. Jeez, Craig. Really bringing it today. Craig really like this movie. Another nitpick. Jody, drunk-divorced mom for the first 20 minutes of the movie within an hour is taking two phone lines and rigging them together and it's like, no, no, use the yellow line.

Like, I don't know how to do this now. I was going to say, I don't really have a problem with her being hung over and doing like anything, but I would not be able to hotwire a phone. What about after four glasses of wine where you're just zonked out and you woke up in a stupor? I don't think it's that bad. It's four glasses. She's like, I obviously had some pills. I think she's pretty zonked out.

Four glasses of wine. She's only got Midol and NyQuil in the house. Yeah. Four glasses and wine is when CR does some of his best work, by the way. I know. Yeah, I guess that wasn't fair. That's when I do some of my best electrical engineering.

I had that as a nitpick. Her drunk recovery. She went from four glasses of wine, NyQuil, whatever else happened and can barely pee to all of a sudden she's running a, you know, 4.40-yard dashes into a room grabbing the phone. Just look at Sprite. No drinks, nothing, no glass of water in there.

Roe just falls down the stairs, like two floors, lands in a heap and he's up and fresher than ever. What's going on there? So Michael Myers energy going on there. Yeah. So Forrest Whitaker, he rigs the panic room, works for the security company, shows up to the house to break in wearing the security company

kind of jersey. Well, the whole idea is that there's not supposed to be anybody there and the cameras aren't supposed to be on it. All right, maybe just wear a t-shirt. Maybe a hoodie. You're going to show up wearing it. And then the other thing is,

if there was a break-in, wouldn't the security company be the number one suspect? Somebody breaks into the panic room? You're not with me. I'm with you. We're just getting into that like and diehard if you just made two phone calls, die hard would be over.

I think the intention makes a lot of sense, which is that if it's someone wearing a security outfit, entering a home that they believe to be unoccupied, that's obviously like a way to, that's a safety measure, right? That there's like, people trust people who wear safety uniforms. What about the guy who's with them has a ski mask on?

Do they trust them as much as that point? That's not great. Although it seems clear that Forrest Whitaker was surprised to learn of Raoul's participation in this robbery. He didn't see that one coming. What did you have for nitpicks, Chris? I had mostly just like the lack of interest in like quick escapes from the panic room and just doing like a little bit of like chipping away, not looking for chunk plays,

but just getting three yards in a cloud of dust. Go get this, go get that. Craig has a question for nitpicks. Go ahead, producer Craig. Do you guys think if you woke up in the middle of the night? and saw a flashlight signaling SOS, you would do anything about it? I don't recognize that.

I would be like, why is this person flashing a flashlight into my house? But I wouldn't recognize Morse code. Would you look into it, though? Yeah, probably. But I'm inquisitive, you know? So this is why I have such an action-packed marriage. My instinct would be, they'll be fine.

My wife would be like, we have to call the police. I'm going over there. and she would like walk across the street see what was going on. Well, there's a whole study about this idea, right? The murder of Kitty Genevievees about the woman who dozens of people in a neighborhood heard screaming while she was being murdered

and then all of the witnesses were interviewed and they all talked about why they did or did not call the police. Like there's a whole kind of like sociological line of study around something like this. The flashlight thing is interesting because my instinct if I was sleeping would just be to close the curtain and not think twice about because I just be like, why is someone waking me up and annoying me?

Whether or not it's like enough. I definitely don't know what SOS is. I don't know any, you know, I would have never been able to figure that out. Listen, out of the most indefensible, I'm not helping you movie moments. It's still the lady who lived next to the house where Michael Myers was killing everybody when Jamie Lee runs to the next house, screaming. She's already got cut. She's bleeding.

And they're like, they turn the lights off. Yeah, we're all full up. Yeah. Sorry, can't help. screaming terrified 18-year-old girl. And did you know that the guy who plays the neighbor is Andrew Kevin Walker, a guy who wrote seven? Next category. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show?

I actually got excited about this for a split second, then decided no. I think a home invasion Netflix show, which is probably the next evolution for Netflix, but not sure I would watch that. I think it is a 10-episode Netflix show, but it's just that Junior is Roman from Succession. this is the end point. Oh, we go to the back story Lido? Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I guess you could...

You could do it two ways. I think you could legitimately do a TV show. The show would have to be called panic rooms and it would be about 10 different panic rooms and 10 different situations. Or it could be panic room through history and it could be the same panic room. Oh, yeah.

Over like 100 years. Film noir panic room. Yes. Oh, interesting. So now we're now. 1940? Yeah, or 2040. If you did a movie about, with this premise, you get to dive into the marriage breaking up with Jody.

You get a lot of backstory with Raoul. Raoul gets an episode, not against that. He's a little family stuff. A bus driver, right? You get Forrest Whitaker. Maybe you work in a couple more characters, and each one gets an episode heading toward the three-episode extravaganza. them being trapped in the house. Here's my case.

This is exactly the amount of time I want to spend to these people. Yeah, true. Fair point. Probably in answerable questions. We've hit everything. I have one. Sean, get fucking ready.

Okay. You're not going to like this. Oh, no. Is this the best Kristen Stewart's ever been in a movie? Jesus Christ, Bill. I mean, I say that out of praise for her performance.

I would say Adventureland. I thought she was great in Panic Room. I would say Adventureland is my favorite, Kristen Stewart. But what is the answer if it's not Panic Room? CR would say underwater, the movie that came out a couple of years ago.

I mean, probably a bunch of movies that you either haven't seen or don't really care about that much. Personal shopper, I think, is one that people would point to. Clouds of Sils Maria is one that people would point to. She's really good and on the road. I thought, and again, I thought she was really good in Spencer.

She's actually really charming and funny and happiest season, you know, that was on Hulu a couple of years ago, too. So you're not going to go breaking down part one. That's the answer. I really liked happiest season. That was last year, right? Was it, maybe it's 2021, yeah. Yeah, that movie is good.

I like that movie. But she, I mean, she's great in this movie. I'm not dissing her. It's just like, she has kind of turned herself into, if not the most accomplished, maybe one of the most accomplished actresses of her generation. She's really good in this movie. you, but actually if you read Fincher talking about it, he noted that they needed to

shoot more takes with her and Foster, because Foster was so much more advanced as a screen actor, that, like, it necessitated a lot of work to get that performance out of her. I guess here's why I make this case, and I'm probably wrong. This child actor

part goes so badly with so many actors that she is so, the bar that she sets for what we're normally getting from this part with whatever actor we get. First of all, if it's in the wrong hands, the movie dies because you're actually start rooting for the burgers to get her. Just like, just, she's annoyed. Get rid of her. But for the most part, it's going to be mediocre. And there's so many good actors in this movie that

she kind of has to be a good actor. And I don't know, I thought she did a good job. I agree with you. She's great. Yeah, I agree too. Chris, what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Roel's Skie Mask? Just open, open-close case? I kind of want the panic room. Is that counted as memorabilia? I want the bearer bonds. The bearer bonds would be good.

Yeah, I want the bearer bonds. What do you got, Sean? The propane tank. Oh, that's a good one. I'm going to go with the ski mask. I like, I like Drell. Who won the movie, guys? You know where I'm going.

Leto? Finch? Got to be fincher. The Finch band? Yeah. He makes this movie. 99 other people make this movie. It's totally forgettable.

I think it is 100% David Fincher. Producer Craig, before we go, you love this movie. This was one of the favorites, your favorites, your favorites, that we've picked in a while, right? Yeah, I don't know why. I, for some reason, watched this movie a lot growing up. I think it came out when I was like

seven. And I just watched it all the time. I felt like you hadn't seen it before, so you've seen it a bunch. Yeah, and I wasn't seen it in a long time. And it held up. I think it's fantastic. It's just like the perfect movie. I just want more of movies like this. Great thrillers made by geniuses.

Also, like, maybe just try the sugar-free mints, you know? Yeah, there might be, like, I... Just give it a shot. Yeah. There was other food, like, in... They're like, nothing here as sugar. It's like, eat it still. Maybe there's something with, like, saccharin.

She was like, try the mouthwash, but that's... Obviously, there was something, like, very specific that they needed to give her. But I... I have a hot take. I forgot to mention this, the nitpicks. Hot take off that take. maybe put some diabetes stuff in the panic room. She didn't know she was going to eat the panicking.

She didn't even turn the phone line on. Listen, listen, you're stocking up. You're trying to make it a home. It's like, all right, worst case scenario, what do I need in the panic room? I'm putting like three things in there. Extra cell phone. I don't think that Meg wants to, she was claustrophobic. She didn't like being in the panic room.

She's not imagining a world where she has to be in there for any period of time. One needle, some orange juice. I'm going the other way. Bill's got great parent energy. You know, he's just thinking ahead. How do I protect my kids? That's it. That's what I'm trying to do.

You know me? Childless and just trying to be friends with Raul. You guys want to get a beer after this or what? Like, you guys. You guys want to go to pianos or something? Like, what do you want to do? Frank up the propane. Chris is just walking around.

You keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth. And on that note, the rewatchables is done. It was produced by Craig Coralback, as always. Super normal episode. Wonderful to see you, as always. The Finchman has done it again. It was another rewatchable. Six, six or seven for the Finchman?

I think he just definitively made it so that he would never join us on this pod. I was already writing them off. You guys remember in the second hour of the panic room pod when you called me the Finchman? I hated that. Well, thanks to the Finchman. We will see you next week on the rewatchable.