The Rewatchables - ‘Planes, Trains, and Automobiles’ With Bill Simmons and Van Lathan

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

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I might watch it over Christmas break. Coming up on this podcast, those aren't pillows! Plains and Automobiles is next. Steve Martin and John Candy just met. Flintstones, meet the Flintstones. They have nothing in common, except the next 72 hours.

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Those aren't pillows. Ah! All right, it is the 35th anniversary. People think this is the best Thanksgiving movie ever, even though there's not totally Thanksgiving in it, but the spirit of Thanksgiving is, I don't even know what other Thanksgiving movies that have been. I'd have to think. I can't think of one.

Yeah, can't think of any. I'll go this way, though. Sure. One of the best holiday movies ever. For sure. One of the better road movies ever. If not, I don't know if it's Mount Rushmore, but it's definitely has to be mentioned.

It's 35 years old. They just released a Blu-ray with 70 minutes of deleted footage that answers some of the questions we're going to have in this podcast. There's some things in this movie, like all of a sudden, John Candy is a black guy. It's like, why does he a black eye? What was that thing? We're going to get in on all that later.

But we'll start here. as a road trip movie it's almost flawless I think the key to these road trip movies I'll get into a huge quote in a second but just putting two people that probably wouldn't be hanging out under other circumstances

and you're throwing them together and they have to survive which is part of the point in this movie but this movie has a heart too which is what you like what I like about the film is that there is there is a reason

for them to push so hard through together, right? And that reason is family. The Thanksgiving table. You don't want to miss it. You don't want to be late. You've promised people.

You've made commitments to be a part of your family at Thanksgiving. It's something that you want, right? And it's something that you do anything to have. You only get that once a year. And so when you look at Dale's character, someone that is so devastatingly human that nobody would want to be around. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Somebody that's so devastatingly themselves, people expect you to put on airs a little bit to kind of put the best version of yourself forth a little bit, and that helps us get through some social interactions. But here's a character played so brilliantly by John Candy who just can't help but be the truest form of himself. It's the last guy that you would want to be stuck on the road with,

but it is like the first guy that you would want to establish a long-lasting bond with, which is kind of what happens in the film. That's why that hotel room scene when Steve Martin finally flips out and the way Candy plays it is the key to the movie because he's upset and then you feel bad for him, even though you've just been annoyed by him for the last 25 minutes. Like, man, this guy would be a nightmare to be with. And then he's so hurt that he's being called out for being annoying

that you're like, oh, this guy's a good guy. Yeah. I don't know how he does it. But it's like a John Candy thing. I don't know how many actors would have pulled that off. There's so much anxiety at the beginning of the movie, especially watching it now. Everybody can relate to trying to make a flight. Yeah.

And it's everybody's fault that you're not going to get to where you're going except for yours. So either it's your boss is too slow. It's a weird Kevin Bacon who you're running with in a cameo. Kevin Bacon cameo. Kevin Bacon cameo. It's the guy who puts the trunk down. It's the cab driver. It's all of these people.

and you're just trying to get to where you want to go and then you get stuck with this dude and he's grading on not just Steve Martin but he's grading on the audience imagine having I don't know why one of them just doesn't sleep on the floor that's well we'll get to picking this

but but imagine being in that situation that someone and he has a good reason for he's snorting and snorting and snorting and he's going to look if I don't do this I'll snore all night but he's just a guy he's just a person So when that turn happens, you go,

am I being a dick? Right. You know what I mean? Am I being too much of a dick? Yeah, somebody you feel bad about yourself, even though none of it's your fault. None of it's your fault. Yeah.

And this entire point, this entire movie, like Steve Martin is actually the noble one, trying to get home for all of the right reasons, despite subplots that were taken out of the movie that kind of was, you know, made people think that maybe something else that went on and his wife thought that. But he's, for all the,

the right reasons, but he's kind of the villain of the movie. In a lot of ways, he's the character that's the guy trying to get home to his family for Christmas is actually the unrelatable character in this movie for a lot of reasons. Road trip movies, which have been a staple from the 30s

and 40s on, but then vacation revitalized it in 1983. Sure. Chevy Chase, written by John Hughes, who we'll get to in a second. Griswold family vacation, basically. Yeah. Nuclear family.

Cute wife, Beverly DeAngelo, the two kids. Gorgeous wife. The terrible station wagon. She's very cute. Station wagon, they're just going to go through America and just everything goes wrong. Then we have the sure thing the next year.

What movie that has just disappeared from all platforms. But Guy just wants to get to California because his friend said there's a sure thing here waiting for you. Peewee's Big Adventure, 1985, plane trains, and automobiles. I'm going to throw an over the top. Over the top is a road trip movie It's a road trip movie

fucking trucker with his son Trying to re-engage Rain Man Road trip movie Yep Midnight Run Of course Yeah yeah yeah

I think my favorite Road trip movie All due respect to this one Which I love But midnight run is like in my All time all time And then Thelman Louise Is a road trip movie

Right So in a 10 year span We do this over and over again And then it just kind of keeps Going and going and going And then it starts getting parodied During the Dumb and Dumber era Where Dumb and Dumber is a road trip movie

where these guys are just the biggest that it's possible. One of my favorite road trip movie is, though? What is it? It's this one tied with a movie that's almost a remake of this one. It's Tommy Boy. Tommy Boy, road trip movie.

Yeah, Tommy Boy, Tommy Boy reminds me so much of planes, trains, and automobile. Yeah. Kind of inverted a little bit because, yeah. They definitely bit from planes trains and automobile. They definitely did, but, like, Tommy Boy is those two performers

kind of almost in the same thing, but with different things. but with different sort of purviews. Spades much more of a dick, but it's definitely a thing. It's almost inverted in a way because the character that has the mission is obviously the Farley character. But I love that movie. That movie to me is tied with Plain Train's almost good. So you don't have Midnight Run up there?

I do. I love Midnight Run. But remember, these are movies that speak. There's a real reason why this movie is one of my favorites right here. Right. And it's, I'll just say it now. So, John Candy has a very special place in my heart. Yeah.

Because he is like inextricably connected to my childhood. Hmm. Okay. So I don't ever have, I don't have adult memories of John Candy because he passed away before I became a man. I think I was maybe 14 or 15. What year was it? Like 94. 95.

Yeah, I think 94. But some of my fondest childhood memories, like have John Candy in them. So when I see him, he's like Santa Claus almost. He's like this reminder of this unbelievable childhood entertainment, this big, wholesome, insanely talented performer who whenever you saw him, it was like, it's time to have a good time. And so, like, whenever I see John Candy now, I know it's time to be a kid again.

Just from the Great Outdoors, Uncle Buck, from this movie. Like, the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on. So when I watch him, I'm very connected to him as a performer, you know? So he was on SCTV in the late 70s, which I didn't even, must have been too late for me. But I had no connection with that show. He's in 1941, a movie that didn't do well. He's in the Blues Brothers. That was the first time I ever saw him.

Blues Brothers is one of my As a kid was one of my favorites Does that kind of as a road trip movie? Yeah Yeah I mean it's more a musical But yeah You could talk

It's definitely part road trip movie Yeah Stripes Love it So Stripes is a massive movie Yeah He's ox He gets to mud wrestle

To him But he's just And then vacation he has a cameo But it's never quite He's never the focal point Splash He plays Tom Hanks's brother Now we have momentum.

He's and volunteers. Brewster's millions in summer rental is the first time they tried to put on the cover of the box. Didn't totally work. I love summer rental. I know. But didn't totally hit.

They tried. I know a lot of summer rental people. I love... Summer rental is so underrated to me, man. It's never on anymore. I didn't even know where you find it. It used to be on all the time. It's like a movie that I discovered

after I thought I had seen all the John Candy movies and then it's just him with his family the summer really but I love that movie Armed and Dangerous was another attempt with him, 1986 that one didn't make it either but then he's in space balls

huge part Plainsstreetons and Automobiles the Great Outdoors Harry Crum which didn't make and then Uncle Buck Oh I love Harry Crum but I'm saying it didn't make it from like a hit Harry Crumbled

So basically it was four for five from 8789 By the time we get through Uncle Buck Yeah He's an A-list comic actor. He's definitely filled some sort of void that I think. Belushi probably had in some degree before him and Farley would have in the mid-90s. But I think what was special about him from all the reading the research, all that stuff,

was just like his improvisation stuff was insane. Everyone said he was either the best or one of the best. And a lot of what this movie was was he was just keeping the camera rolling. They would have the set piece and then they would just. just go. Like, try it again. I'm going to try this. Well, I'll do that instead.

And he's got Steve Martin and Candy just like fucking riffing. Yeah. And they filmed it for 84 days. So I watched, I did more research on the film now. Yeah. Well, I watched some videos that you're seeing and I looked at some other things. And knowing that some of those scenes that we were seeing in there that end up being three, five minutes in the movie, they went on 26,

27, 28 minutes of these guys just contemporaneously coming up with dialogue right there and keeping them going. And the stuff was so good that Hughes wanted to make sure that he preserved it. But, I mean, look, when you think about John Candy, it's crazy. He was so lovable that I think a lot of people

underrate him as a performer. I think amongst the people that knew him, they knew how good he was. but there's a John Candy type role that he would play. So I think sometimes people think that being either the lovable doofus or the every man, that that doesn't take a lot of skill and technical ability to do that, but he could always grab your heart out of your chest and make you feel like you were right there with him. Yeah, so the thing that there was a great oral history that Vanity Fair Day the week ago about this movie.

that was really helpful. And one of the things Hughes was great about was editing. And he would always have more content than he needed than he would kind of cut it and shape it. And just leaving great stuff on the cutting room floor, right? This is something now like the Adam McKay-Wilfarrell generation, the Apatow generation. Those guys kind of, they didn't steal from Hughes, but I think he was a huge influence on that. Where it's like, all right, we have this movie we're filming, but we also have all these great, funny people. let's let them cook.

Let's keep the cameras rolling, basically. I don't know if Hughes invented that, but he was definitely one of the first people I've heard who thought to do that, but the result was he would have these three and a half hour movies. And then he would cut it, and you read about the cutting room process of this where it's like, all right, I got it down at 2.45.

Now it's at 2.15, and his goal was to just get it to be the tightest, funniest movie possible. But you end up leaving some, some awesome stuff and some of it's on YouTube now but even like when they're on the plane and Martin's in the middle seat

the first time they're on the plane and they're sitting next to that old guy there's like comedy gold of that like Steve Martin doesn't want to eat his lasagna it's too burnt and candy's like I'll eat it and then they want the old guy wants his brownie and it goes on for four minutes

but it's great and you're like how did they leave this out but Hughes was like he wanted things to move he just wanted to get them within 90 minutes And it's back to Illinois. And the movie is insanely lean. Yeah, almost too lean. I think you could it on an hour of 45 pretty easily.

The movie is so lean. 92 minutes. Like it gets you, it's like every single scene batters you with the comedy and let's move to the next thing. Yeah. Let's continue to get a go. And it's funny because he had a, in looking at this stuff, there's like, obviously the editor, I forget the guy's name now. but he had a tremendous amount of trust in him, and he cut together a great movie.

Hirsch. Yeah. Yeah. He had a tremendous amount trusting him. He could cut together a great movie. There's some things that were left on a cutting room floor that are material to the plot of the film. I know. You know, I mean, not just great comedy, but they were still able to make the best version of the movie.

And I do think that this is the best version of the movie. With leaving stuff in there that you would think they would have had to have put in, they just knew what they wanted. there was a whole subplot. I was going to do this half-fastered research. We can do it now. There's a whole subplot about Neil's wife doesn't believe him that he got.

That deal is real. And you can see a hint of it when he calls and he's like, I'm in Wichita. And she's like, Wichita, what are you doing there? And she's suspicious. And then it just cut away.

Right. And Hughes clearly, he puts together the whole movie and he's like, all right, this is stupid. People just want to be with these two guys. They don't want his unsuspecting wife. There is,

the editor, Hirsch said they got it down in two hours. They had a screening. They thought it was the funniest movie ever made. They had four screenings and finally figured out what the problem was. And the problem was this.

This is what he says. The audience started to perceive John Candy as using Steve Martin taking advantage of him. And Steve was paying for everything. In our hurry to shorten the picture, we had taken out part of a scene at a train station when they're parting. Not for a long, but you don't know that yet. And Candy says, Steve, give me your address. I'll send

some money. And Steve wants no part of the guy. I never wants here for him again. He says, no, no, that's okay. We restored that. That one exchange changed everyone's attitude about the character that he'd offer to pay. I find that hard to believe, but apparently it was true. Just putting that one thing back. Hugh said about the idea of a road trip, I like taking dissimilar people,

putting them together and finding what's common to us all. part of the point is there are a privileged few operate between New York, Los Angeles, London, Paris, but if something screws up, they get out the exclusive track. It's someone like Del Griffith who knows how to get them home. What kept the movie going was the opposites. Two dissimilar guys.

If it weren't for a storm, someone like Neo would never meet a guy like Del. And I was thinking, like, that's kind of the blueprint for 80 movies that I like. Where two people get thrown together that probably shouldn't be together and probably wouldn't have met under another circumstance, right?

48 hours. Probably the movie I've seen the most of any movie the last 40 years. Those guys would never have been together for any other reason other than they got a, you know, Gans is on the loose. Reggie Hammers is one thing. But over and over again, that blueprint works. And I never thought about it until I saw it laid out like that. Well, in this movie, there's something interesting is that, you know, Dale is extremely useful.

Right. He always has a friend. He always has a friend. friend at Eastern Airlines. Right. Like, Dale's gift is like connection. Like, he can connect with people.

Yeah. Like, Steve Martin's character, which I keep calling him Steve Martin's character. Neil. Neil. Neil can't. Like, Neil, like, Neil doesn't know how to talk to people.

And it's evident throughout the entire movie because every time he needs something from somebody, he gets finessed or he gets turned down. when he's trying to get the cab from the guy. Yeah. He's getting fleeced. When the whole, one of, I never laughed as hard as a kid. Never laughed as a kid at anything as I did his freak out and meltdown at the counter with the rhetoric.

Yeah. Never laughed at. It was also crazy there Steve Martin swear. Cursing. I really don't care for the way you're speaking to me. And I really don't care for. the way your company left me in the middle of fucking nowhere with fucking keys

to a fucking car that isn't fucking there. And I really didn't care to fucking walk down a fucking highway and across a fucking runway to get back here to have you smile at my fucking face. I want a fucking car

right fucking now. I don't know if I'd heard him swear before in anything. Like cursing. Oh my God, Steve Burton's bad. That's like the jerk. That's the guy from parenthood, like cursing, doing his whole thing. And he's so commudgeoningly in this movie.

Yeah. It's a different Steve Martin. You know what I mean? It's a little put out Steve Martin. A little put out Steve Martin. But Del, wherever he goes, people love him. Even when he needs something, he's conning people. Yeah.

Selling them shower curtain rings and telling them that they are autographed by Daryl strawberry or whatever, and it's still charming. Yeah. It's still charming when he's actually lying to the people because the lies that he tells are cute. So just watching those guys kind of have to navigate that, really, Dale really got Neil home. Steve Martin said about candy and his similarities with Dell, quote,

he's a very sweet guy, very sweet and complicated, so he was always friendly, always outgoing, no funny and nice and plate, but I could tell he had kind of a little broken heart inside him. Said that about John Candy. he said Martin said that the last scene when we have the big twist which is that

Dell's wife has been dead for eight years that he has this whole monologue that Steve Martin thought was great and he didn't understand why Hughes cut it he just gave this interview about the movie like five days ago and he's like John Candy gave this awesome monologue about this and he used cut it and he's like Hughes knows more

about the making a movie than I do so he had to cut it for a reason but he was like when Candy did this, I just thought, wow, what a great actor this guy is. Yeah. And it's interesting, when you watch that scene, you do want, like, a tiny bit more from that monologue.

It does feel like it could go longer, but that's I think one of the reasons we all like this movie and it's so rewatchable, it leaves you wishing it was 20 minutes longer. Most movies are like, I wish that was 30 minutes shorter. Yeah. 10 minutes shorter. Oh, they should have cut that scene. This scene, this movie just flies, and you're like,

oh, fuck, we're done. I wanted to hang out with these guys more. Yeah, it does something interesting to where it makes you relitigate the film because that's what he does when he's on the train. When he's on the train, he starts thinking, look at all the things that I missed. Yeah. And by the time he gets back there

doesn't have to say that much. He doesn't have to say that much because you've put together that this guy, and for us, we knew a little bit of it because we hear him talking to himself when he's sitting outside in the car. But this guy's broken. And at that point,

you don't need to hear that much from him. You just want him, you want to see him. You want to see him get put back together. But there's still questions. It's like, if he doesn't have a home, then where was he going on a plane to? Like, what is he doing? But there's still, when he says, why if you go home, he's like, I don't have a home, she, Marie died eight years ago.

Well, do you not have a home because it's not a home unless she's in it? Or is he actually homeless? I was going to do this an unanswerable question. Oh, okay. No, no, I think we should do this now. Right. I took it, some people have taken it to mean that he was homeless. I don't think, I don't think that's the answer.

It seems unlikely, yeah. I think he just didn't want to go home because it reminded him of his wife. Yeah. So he didn't have a home, but he does have a home. He just doesn't go there. Right. He just kind of moves around because he doesn't want to go home. Because he was getting on a plane.

Right. To go back to Chicago. So basically it's whatever you want it to mean. Exactly. I chose it to mean that. The great John Hughes. from 1983 to 1990, ripped off

one of the great pop culture runs by anyone. Musician, actor, singer, director, name a profession that's creative. He writes Mr. Mom and Vacation, writes and directs 16 Candles Breakfast Club,

writes European Vacation, writes and directs weird signs, Pretty and Pink, and Fares Buer, and some kind of wonderful and playing trains and automobiles and she's having a baby

and the great outdoors and Uncle Buck and then he writes Christmas vacation and he writes Home Alone which makes $100 kajillion dollars and that's in eight years

you can make an argument that he defined the 80s in a very specific way yeah if we were like who were the most important people to the 80s if you go back through that

he's unlike the Michael Jackson level to me It's absolutely. You can make an argument with those films, with things that we remember with what we, the 80s are connected to teenage angst. If you're just saying pop culture. Pop culture. You can make a very compelling. Actually, I don't think that there's much of an argument that he is one of the handful of most defining people in the 80s.

I just listed six, seven, 11, 15 movies. If you had one of those If you just wrote home alone That's an incredible career Right But we have Fares Bueller Think about the films that we're talking about Also movies that everybody out of the

All the ones I've mentioned Everyone probably has a different favorite movie Right My favorite is Breakfast Club Okay That's one I saw the most My favorite is Farras Bueller's day off Yeah that's probably my second favorite

Yeah I don't But I think vacation Might even be my third favorite This might be my Christmas Did he do? You say he did Christmas vacation too? Yeah, he wrote that one.

It's fucking classic. One of the great holiday movies ever. It's going to be very hard for me not to. Ah, man, that's tough. Between Christmas vacation. It's fair as beautiful, but Christmas vacation is my favorite Christmas movie of all time. It's iconic run. Yeah.

And he had, I'm a kid of the 80s, so I was here in, like, breakfast club. I was in high school and all that stuff. He just had this outsized impact on everything because movies meant more back Ben. We didn't have the internet. We connected to people through sports and culture and how else are you going to connect somebody. And these movies really mattered for years and years and years. And what's crazy about it is he kind of said everything you wanted to say. And then he kept going, but it wasn't the same. And he just, you read the stuff about Hughes where he would just have these, he'd write a script in three days, which is insane if you've ever tried to write a script.

Yeah. He read a complete script in three days. He would be like, hey, I worked on this last night. He you'd hand somebody 50 pages of another script and it'd be like, oh, this is the beginning of Ferris Bueller. Yeah. And he was saying, yeah, I was workshopping some idea and it just started typing. Yeah.

Not even, I don't even know if they had computers during this area. He might have been doing it on a fucking typewriter. Or a typewriter. The guy was literally a genius. The word genius gets used too much, but I think he was a genius. And not just characters,

he created, or maybe not created, but he was able to, isolate and distill these concepts that became, like, synonymous with the 80s. Yeah. You know what I mean? These kind of, like, when I look at all of those films and I think about the crazy dad and the nuclear family and crossing America, like Chevy Chase as a thing,

is John Hughes. Like, Matthew Broderick and the archetype of that rap scout. lovable troublemaker guy. Right. Twinkle and his eye. Twinkling his eye. That's introduced to me then. The concept of the girl from,

and these are things that have been done over and over and over again after this, right? Over and over and over again. For me, it's just all of this. The girl who is from across the tracks, but she's got it, she's in with the cool kids. So I think about this movie and then I think about, well, how about like,

Can't Buy Me Love and all of those films that come after it, they're just kind of like different takes off. this same sort of storytelling. And it lasts for a long time. Even like, fucking saved by the bell and all of that stuff, it's all very Husing in its ways. And he was like...

Nobody else is even competing with him. Right. He just has this whole universe that's his universe. And even you met, like, it's the side characters that make it for me. It's like, even in this movie,

the truck driver, Dylan Baker, the big tobacco thing. He's in the movie for like a minute and a half. He's fucking unbelievable. Or like in vacation, when they go to Cousin Eddie's house and just every single moment Eddie has

is just like an A plus plus. Yeah. We haven't done that yet in the rewatchables, but you look like you can use a cold one. I sure could. It just gives him the beer and drinking. Yeah. Just like little shit like that.

He used was like the best. Right. And he does such a good, good job of defining his characters by what they're not. Yeah. Because when you think about it, like, Clark Griswold, it's kind of a dick, right? Oh, yeah. Like, he was full all about to cheat on his wife. He's flirting with the Ferrari lady. No, he's not just flirting with her. We have to read, that's why we have to do this. He's skinny dips. Right. And his wife was hot. His wife was hot. He's skinny dips. And I'm not, look, I'm not trying to play moral police,

but Clark is doing it. He's skinny-dives with another woman while his wife in a hotel pool while his wife's upstairs sleeping with the kids. And it all comes off as incredibly relatable because it's not just a woman, it's Chris Lee Brinkley, and you're thinking, I'm like, hey, you can see it. She didn't flirt with them.

Right. It's funny that you're in Louisiana identifying with all of these movies because these movies are all set in the Midwest West, and for the most part, I mean, it's all white people, right? Were there any black people in John Hughes movies? I'm trying to think. Were there any minorities in his movies?

I'm trying to think. But yet there's some way, like, I don't know. It hit everybody, even though it was basically everything was set in Illinois or St. Louis or somewhere in there. So I think there are a couple of reasons for that. Number one, like, looking at,

I always saw characters that I knew. Yeah. Always. It didn't matter. I always saw characters that I knew. You bring up Eddie, when I would think about Eddie, I would think about my cousins and maranguine. That would do shit like that.

Right. You know what I mean? That you'd be like, what are we eating in the night? And they'd be like, well, Snook ain't got it yet. I'm like, what does that mean? Well, Snook in the woods right now. And whatever he'd come back with, that's what we eat. I'm like, oh, okay, cool.

And so Snook brings back, this is a true story. Snook brings back a coon, a raccoon. And, you know, we eat raccoon down there. And it's like, these are the people, these are my relatives. In the Great Outdoors, your rich, yumpy, uncle asshole dude. Yeah. Who's always trying to stunt on the rest of the family in ways because they've made a little bit money.

People have that. Like, I could relate to that. So there was never a movie where it felt even like Ferris Bueller, the wise-ass little, smart that everybody loves, that always found a way around accountability and a way around anybody that was trying to make him do what they wanted to do. I felt like I knew that character.

I knew guys who had that sort of Eddie Haskell slickness to them where they could kind of like reform the world and the way that they saw it. So I never saw... And get people to follow him. Yeah, I never saw a John Hughes movie. You know, it's funny. The John Hughes movie that I relate the least amount to

is probably the Breakfast Club. Interesting. Because I wasn't of high school age at that point. And so like when I would see, I mean, now I kind of get it, but when I would look at the movie then, like what they were going through, there wasn't anyone really for me to connect with that much with the movie, even though it's like, you know, a great movie. A big part of Breakfast Club was, we talked about it when we did the rewatch was on it, was just when it came out and then it was on HBO all the time. It was one of those movies you could jump in at any point and you become attached to whatever the characters. One of the things that Hughes was great at. I don't want to call these characters losers

But they weren't winners Okay They were tires But he always wrote them in a way That you like them and you're rooting for them But go through all his movies Like even like somebody like Bender and Breakfast Club It's like a bad guy, right?

He's probably he's going to be in jail in eight years Right But by the end in the movie you're like I'm cutting in on Bender I like him Yeah It's a guy Or like the nerd and breakfast club

But you go on down the line everybody and Del's probably the best one of all this stuff because Del was like we probably shouldn't like Del and within 10 minutes I like Del. Yeah. And I don't know how he does that. I don't know how many actors would have pulled that off but I mean, the other thing that he was so great at

was just understanding who to cast in his parts and being able to, he just, he spied talent the same way like we talk about Apatow on this pod, same thing. He just kind of knew who to get into business with it the right time, right? Broderick, John Candy. He grabs Steve Martin, right as Steve Martin's going into this adult phase. Chibi Chase.

Molly Ringwald. Molly Ringwald, go on all the way through over and over again. He just was able to nail it. You know something else about Dill that I think is really, that really, to me, kind of endures and characters like him? As people, we spend so much time trying to get through other people's shit. That's like the, dude, that's the entire trick of humanity. That's the whole bane of our existence. It's like how to, even like when you're in an interview,

I remember I interviewed, I'm not going to name the rapper now because he's been canceled since, but he comes into the room and he's got like eight guys with him and he's got chains all over him. He's got the big veneers. He's got the whole nine, right, Sprint of van full of people. And I'm thinking,

how am I going to make a person out of him in the interview? How am I going to connect? Right. Because he brought so much shit in here with him. I think we spend so much time of our lives, trying to get through other people's shit to who they really are, that it doesn't matter who somebody actually is.

If they just give that to you at the beginning, there's something like amazing and something admirable about it. Yeah, there's something like super dope about that no matter who they are. And when Dale says, hey, I am who I am, you go, well, shit, that's definitely not me. He got me beat.

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Side effects include nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting, which can cause dehydration and worsened kidney problems. Talk to your doctor. Call 1-800-545-997-9 or visit Zepbound.lily.com. So Steve Martin moves into a different phase of his career the year before three amigos in Roxanne, does planes, trains and automobiles in 87, dirty rotten scoundrels, parenthood, which we covered in the rewatchables,

My Blue Heaven, LA Story, Father of the Bride, also a rewatchable, and Grand Canyon. That's from 86 to 92, where he becomes the relatable every man. I think this is one of his three most important movies that he's done.

It's weird. jerk is kind of faded. You don't like the jerk anymore. It's too crazy for you. I love the jerk. Okay. I just think some of those movies from the late 70s, early 80s have faded an impact for whatever reason. Interesting. Like, airplane was the most important comedy of my childhood probably in terms of like how influential it was. Yeah.

And now nobody would talk about airplane. Animal House is another one, which is parts of it are a little bit canceled. But there was this whole era. The jerk is like, I don't even... Parts of airplane there are definitely canceled to you. The running pedophiles. Oh, my God. Billy? Billy?

You like a gliding in a movie? I've been in a cockpit? We're definitely doing airplane on the rewatch. Was at some point. Yeah, half that movie is canceled. Right. But Martin, this taps in some sort of every man thing

that was with a couple of the other movies that he was doing where, I don't know. Not that many people have gotten there. Like Tom Hanks, they talked about, could he have done this? And there's some casting what-ifs with that. It's not a long list of people who could be like, I'm the every man.

I'm kind of a dick in this, but I'm still bringing the good baggage of my career. So you're going to like me. Even though if you really study this character I'm playing, I'm probably not a great guy. I don't know how many people could do that. So Tom Hanks was probably a little too youthful for this. He was.

It's not going to make, you know. It's Tom Hanks and. seven years, I think, could have done it. Yeah. And I really wasn't, until a league of their own, I had never really seen Tom Hanks be, I guess he wasn't Turner & Hooch a little bit, like

a hard ass a little bit. Yeah. So I was used to him seeing more like being the most beloved facing American stuff. Obviously, Philadelphia is a very serious movie. But with Steve, there's something very grown up

about him. Yeah. He always looked 10 or 15 years older than he really was. Yeah, you never knew how old he was. Right. He'd been like 53. We were to believe it. Right. So he always looked a little older than he actually was.

And he had this interesting ability to get the same amount of value from a scow and from a smile. Like Steve Martin can brighten his face up with a smile and just be radiant. But when he turns that into a scowl, he looks like somebody's fucking. dad. He looks as, so he had this weird ability to do that. It's a good one. And in this movie,

he's kind of like the second guy, like, all the time. But it works. Because he can be the, he's one of those weird guys that could be the clown in the room and the adults in the room

in the same time, you know? He also always had the physical comedy card that he wouldn't bring out that often, but when he did, he was the best out of it. We talked about it when we did parenthood, the Little League scene.

He's just unbelievable in that scene. Right. Does it in this scene with, when he falls down the falls down the hill and he's getting wet and he's just or when he gets mad at the rental car person

and just like he has the ability use his body to convey how he's feeling right after the cab yeah or with the cab he was running after the cab yeah he said he said about this movie everything in the movie

happened while shooting the movie misconnections misplanes so much moving around we're supposed to shoot in one town there's no snow he moved everything to Buffalo part of the movie's joke is that John Cainty's Dell

wearing a parker while I'm wearing a suit but it was truly 14 degrees and I'm hiking across the field after the train breaks down. They said the snowed like wreaked havoc with this movie. Like the trooper scene all of a sudden it snowed.

The snow didn't match. They had to go back and it was one of the reasons it was 84 days. $50 million budget, $49.5 million box office. Siskel and Ebert loved it. Ebert, 3 and F stars.

Siskel said it was Candy's best role ever. Now, Uncle Buck hadn't happened yet. What was Candy's best role ever? So I go... It's got to be Uncle Buck, right? It's probably Uncle Buck. I mean, he carries Uncle Buck.

He carries Uncle Buck. You don't like who's Harry Crum. He's hysterical. I can't give it to Harry Crum. I'm not going to give it to Harry Crum. I'm not going to give it to Harry Crum. I'm not going to give it to Harry Crum. Yeah. He's hysterical.

And who's Harry Crum. But also the Great Outdoors. man. The great outdoors is him kind of being a straight man a little bit. You know what I mean? I think he's too straight in that. I like when he gets goofy. I mean, this movie, he gets fucking perm. He's got a weird mustache.

He's fucking smoking. One of the deleted scenes, he's smoking while eating a hot dog. And I don't know how he's doing it. I don't know how they don't put that in the movie. I've never seen anyone do that ever. Ebert said, perfectly cast, soundly constructed. All else flows naturally. Steve Martin and John Candy

don't play characters. They embody themselves. That's where the comedy, which begins securely planting the twin genres of the road movie in the buddy picture, is able to reveal so much heart and truth. You cried the last time you watched this. Yeah, bro. This one gets you. It does because at the end,

like when you're at your lowest moment, you know what I mean? When you've gone through, when you've lost somebody, you just want somebody to come save you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You just like, when you're at a spot, to where you're sitting there and you're talking to somebody who might not be around anymore or you're missing something or whatever.

You just want somebody to show up at that moment and be like, come with me. And like when you come with me, there's going to be food and fun and people and there's more to it. You just want more life at that point. And so when he's there and Steve Martin turns back and he gives it, I'm like, shit. That, that to me, and, you know, people, I mean, I'm getting older. When I say they don't make them like they used to, that's what I'm talking about.

Yeah. I'm talking about where I'm so invested that I'm not, the stakes of the movie are not saving the world. It's not beating back some disease. It's not keeping the moon from turning into a rock that's going to hit the earth. There's none of that. It's just like getting home to be around your family on Thanksgiving. and being able to be around people that you don't even know, but that are offering you love.

When that's the win, that's like when you're making movies for real. And the movie nails that. It doesn't matter how many times you see it, it still does. That's a great point. Well said. Craig, you want to add anything before we go to the categories? I agree with everything. I think this is Candy's best role one.

But, Van, just bouncing off what you just said, like, Candy is, he's hilarious and tragic at the, the same time, which is so hard to do, because you're laughing at him the whole movie, but you also know something's up the whole time. There's like a sadness in his eyes, you can tell. Only somebody who's that positive can be

that positive because they experience some sort of tragedy. You know what I mean? That's why he like puts on that level of positivity. And he kind of comes across in the movie a lot of times as somebody who doesn't have anything left to lose. You know what I mean? Like, screw it. Like, he really just

wants a friend. Well, and we're all Steve Martin, but we all think we can be John Candy. Everybody hates the positive person. The guy who's too positive is the most annoying person to be around, but you also deep down wish you kind of were that person and had that mindset, but you don't.

All right, let's see the categories. I love the opening scene in the board room with the guy just killing time, and he's looking at his watch and then Ferris Bueller's dad says you'll never make the six. And then we get Kevin Bacon's cameo.

get candy stealing the cab it's just like we're off to a good start there's no dead time in this movie I have Neil Neil realizes I mean really the whole movie is a rewatch movie

but so I tried to narrow it down Neil realizes that they're actually sharing a room in the hotel That's great When they looks they sees them One bed And it's like almost turns into a horror movie Won't take a shower? No

Then he takes the shower gets out The shower is fucking disgusting Tows on the floor. So hard to watch, dog. Sharing a bed, the sleep noises, everything. Now, apparently this could have gone out for 45 minutes because they had 45 minutes of footage. Half the movie could have just been them in the hotel room.

Because they have the entire thing. They have all of it. They have why he went in there and messed the bathroom up. Right. Which would be great to see, but it also almost works better this way. You don't think so? I wouldn't have kept that. I would have kept...

Let's just do this now. The candy gets a pizza and beer at some point. Oh, yeah, it gets a year. And the person who gives, and this is in the deleted scenes in the new version, in the 70 minutes. The pizza guy, candy only gives him a dollar. And the guy's pissed. And that's who comes back. And ends up stealing the money.

And that makes so much more sense when you watch it versus how they have it. But also, like, when he talks about, I don't know if it works better or not, but He mentions about the beer. Sorry about the beer. It just kind of blew up, you know, the bed. And it's kind of funnier that we don't know how the beer happened, but there is a deleted scene where he throws the beer. It sprays everywhere.

It gets all over the bed. And then we have to see Steve Martin. So I don't know. Which one would you have rather had? So I think the beer thing works better for me not seeing it because it's just because Steve Martin's going to lose it after that, right? Yeah. So we don't need the beer thing, but we do need the pizza guy.

The pizza guy. The pizza guy to me, so when I watched the movie forever, I didn't know why they were getting robbed. Right. So, I mean, I mean, you know why somebody gets robbed. You get robbed so somebody could steal money, but it just seemed like a weird, random. Too random occurrence that they were getting robbed. So I didn't know until I started looking at stuff for the movie that there was a whole backstory behind that. And that makes a little bit more sense.

The tirade's unbelievable. You're no saint. You've got a free cab. You've got a free room. and someone who'll listen to your boring stories. I mean, didn't you notice on the plane when you started talking, eventually, I started reading the vomit bag?

Didn't that give you some sort of clue like, hey, maybe this guy's not enjoying it? You know, everything is not an anecdote. You have to discriminate. You choose things that are funny or mildly amusing or interesting. You're a miracle. Your stories have none of that.

They're not even amusing accidentally. My favorite is Didn't you realize when I eventually started reading the vomit bag? Right. It's so good. And then Candy kind of hurts his feelings. Yeah.

You want to hurt me? Go right ahead of it. It makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right. I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you.

But I don't like to hurt people feelings. Well, you think what you want about me. I'm not changing. I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article.

What you see is what you get. Just an elite, elite scene. Separate scene, this gets its own scene. Those aren't pillows. Del. Oh. Why did you kiss by it here? Where are you holding my hand?

Where's your other hand? Between two pillows. Those aren't pillows? Which became, I think, one of the iconic 80s lines. I don't know what the order is, but it's in there. If there's a bracket, it has to be like a one or a two seed. Those aren't pillows, said over and over again by everybody who saw this movie for the rest of the 80s and the early 90s. Right.

Think about what's happening there. Think about the shock and horror. You know what I mean? And hilarious, they jump up and what do they do? The fact that we hadn't really, as a society, come to terms with the spectrum of sexuality is a running thing in this movie. Yeah. Because I kept rewind in the scene where he goes, you want to take a shower? He goes, no.

Because he doesn't know what else got going on. Right. You know what I'm saying? He's not sure. And then they get up and they start talking about, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, They got to turn the manhood on. See that Bears game last week? See that Bears game?

Great team, great team. Hello Bears team this year. Hell of a team. Hell of a team. Go on all the way. It's hysterical. It's especially like in my 20s, we'd go to Vegas. We'd have to share beds.

Or in college, you'd have to share beds. And it was always a joke. Those aren't pillow. You just, you reflexively make those jokes, even when you're in real life. Candy selling earrings as they're stuck in the bus station leading into the day. dinner when Martin dumps him, but they're at dinner, and he's just so annoying at that point.

And he's like, oh, you're going to miss? It was like a ballet or a recital. Ron was home. Probably at my daughter's Thanksgiving pageant. You missed him. I'm sorry. Those are the precious moments, too. They don't come back again.

Those are the precious moments, too. They don't come back again. He's just like, pouring gasoline. I love that whole part. The Marathon car rental. Oh, my God. Little Edie McClure cameo. Ferris Bueher, the secretary.

Oh, my God. Doc, like the moment that the thing, the, the, the, he throws the rental agreement. First of all, this is a great riding. Yeah. So he's so pissed he throws the rental agreement. They leave. One time my car got up, one time my car got impounded at the airport.

Yeah. So then I have to walk to the airport. Oh, yeah. The airport police station. It's dangerous. Trying to make your way around a place where you're not supposed to be, like, walking around. So he has to walk. And these are expansive places.

He has to walk all the way back. And then when he gets there, he gets there. He's so pissed off. He's not even being an asshole at that point. He's being a human because he's mad at the world now. And the line she delivers to him at. the end. It just cuts you off at the knees every time. It's so hilarious, bro.

Great stuff. Martin said, in one of the interviews he gave about this scene, Mike Nichols, the director told me once, in every movie you do, there should be a scene where you say to yourself, can we do that? That certainly applies here. I guess him saying fuck 19 times. The car argument, when they're driving in the car,

candy starts busted his balls. He's like about how he plays with his balls. Larry Bird doesn't do as much ball handling in one night as you do in an hour. And he just keeps going and he goes, you know what makes me happy? He goes, another set of balls and extra set of fingers. Larry Bird doesn't do as much ball handling in one night as you do it an hour. Are you trying to start a fight? No, I'm simply stating a fact.

That's all. You fidget with your nuts a lot. You know what would make me happy? Not a couple balls and an extra set of fingers? Oh, that's humor. Oh, that's, that's real humor. I think that's my favorite line. You're going the wrong way is great.

I lost it. Katie turns into the devil. First of all, it's like who makes, you know, me and Craig talked about this a little bit. They turn into skeletons. It's like, that shouldn't work. But it's masterful. And then when he turns this to the devil, he looks.

He's like, it's just, it's something that will never happen in a movie now. It doesn't seem like it's movies takes themselves a little too seriously. But it's fucking amazing. It's silly. It's silly. It's great. Getting drunk in the hotel room is really fun. Oh, that's a good scene. That's them bonding.

You have to have the bondings. Middette run, the version of that is in the, when they're in the train, and De Niro won't talk to Grodin. Then Grodin's like, hey, see those chickens back there? Some great chickens. Taking a crack at one of them. They just start going for two minutes. Candy admitted in the truth, which we mentioned.

Oh, this is what Martin said about the longer monologue. He said it's a very touching scene. I remember sitting across from John thinking, wow, this guy's killing this. I was surprised the scene was trimmed way down. I never understood why, and I didn't ask John because that's his business. So, Candy. That's not part of the 70 minutes.

There's no footage. We've never seen that part. Yeah. And I like the ending. I like seeing them walking toward his house with the truck. Yeah. So what's your favorite scene? Oh, it's definitely going the wrong way.

Look, it's not my favorite scene. Most fun to watch. Most fun to watch. So the best thing of the movie to me is Neil realizing that Dale's been kind of bullshit in him and coming back. That's the best thing in the movie. That's the one scene that the movie has. past to have. But the most rewatchable to me

is just everything before then, when the people are trying to tell them that they're going a wrong way and Dale's like, like the whole nine. Like that entire situation to me is right, anytime that Dale is driving, when he's listening to the mess around.

Yeah. And all of that stuff is, that's one of the funniest stretches of the movie to me. I have, uh, I'm just watching if they're checking to the hotel room.

If I'm flipping channels. Like, oh, they're checking the hotel room. They're checking the breadwood in. I'm in. I'm watching this all the way through to those arm pillows. What's age the best? I love candy in the airport. He's reading the Canadian Mounted in the airport.

It's a book. So it's like, immediately we're off to, oh, this guy's kind of, watch out for this guy. Right. What's going out here? I don't even know where they came up with the Canadian Mounted. I love the callback to the Griswold Mobile. It's basically the same car.

Yeah. I like when Hughes does that, when he intersperses between his movies. Hughes is another thing we didn't mention to the top. And this is a good wood's age the best. He's very good at these common people villains. They're not real villains, right? They're not like James Bond villains.

They're not people trying to end the world or people, whatever. They're just like flight attendants who are just bitches for no reason. They're rental car clerks who are just assholes. uh, valets who fuck up something or matriads like in Ferris Bue or the matriety at the restaurant. He loved to like turn the tables on those people and make them kind of the foils. People that don't care that they're in your story. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So people that don't care that they're in your story. Like that people are, you're in Ferris Bueller story. I don't care. Yeah. Like you're in Neal's story. So what?

Like your first class seat got messed up. And Neil's catching a crazy run of bad luck, right? Yeah. So you can't be in first. So people that just don't care that they're in your story, they like these little impediments to it. And like those scenes kind of get blown up. The aunt or the aunt in vacation who dies on a trip.

Like, just somebody that doesn't care that she's ruining everything. Yeah. You know what I mean? In Ida. She doesn't care that she's ruining everything. Put her ass on the trunk. I mean, on the hood. Right.

That's still one of the five craziest, funniest things I've ever seen in the movie. And Ida going on the hood. Yeah. And I'd have, to me, one of the most disgusting moments. Oh, God. When she continues to eat the sandwich. Oh, my God. Why are these wet?

We got to do vacation. We have to do it. I have for Woodtage to best some John Candy quirks. Like, the fact that he's, He's a shower curtain ring salesman. Yeah. I like when he takes his shoes off and he goes, boy, that feels kid.

My dogs were barking today. It's so fucking funny. He had to have added that. I like how he's smoking constantly. He's got those stupid phrases like, I got a motto, like your work, love your wife. Like nobody says shit like that. I love when he was talking about how hot the seat was.

He's like, I feel like a whopper. Turn me over. I'm done on the side. I'm afraid to look at my ass. or be Grinnellbergs. He's just laughing. It's like, this guy's a lunatic.

Yeah. Candy's just, it's very similar to Tommy Boy in that it's just like a one-of-a-kind performance. There's some physicality to it. And there's just, you can't imagine anybody else being this guy. It's uncastable beyond who you're looking at, right?

And there's, he's annoying, but, you know, you love him. I think what's age the best to me is, one of the things that's age the best to me is the dice game that is travel. You just said this when you went to Greece. Yeah, exactly.

The dice game that is traveled. The best laid plans can be ruined by a bus station. The fact that they, one thing that I'm riding the bus, Bill, I'm sure you haven't been on the bus in a very, very long time. It's been a while. It's been around. The fact that they get on the bus,

By the way, that's the scene that we didn't talk about real quick. So I want to talk about the scene on the bus real quick. Yeah, I should have put that in rewatchable. Because the scene on the bus is more genius riding from Hughes because it's the difference between these two guys. The normal people connect with candy. The normal people are connecting with Dell. It's time to sing a song and Neil comes out with three coins in a fountain,

which I didn't even know what that song was. For a long time. time. It's like, no, we're not going to sing that. Let's sing something everybody knows the fucking Flintstones. Yeah. You know what I mean? So like, but riding the bus I haven't done it in about 10

or 15 years. It's been longer than that. It's been like 14 years. Still fucking terrible. Yeah. Not great. The Kid Cutty Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop

has to go to the mess. around. Oh, mess around for sure. Ah, you can talk about the pit barbecue. The band was jumping. The people too. Ah, mess around. The mess around.

The Big Kuhna Burger Award for best use of food or drink has to go to the deleted scene of him eating a hot dog while smoking the cigarette. It's just unbelievable. So you're going to give it to the deleted scene there? Yes. Okay. There are no rules on the rewatchables.

I got you. Why, who would you give it to? I like the... I like the Doritos paired with the tequila in the room, the fact that they're just raiding the mini bar. Yeah, that was funny. When they're in the room, that's pretty good, too. Dennis Thieves Benihana Award for scene-stealing location.

Ooh, this is a good one. It's funny because there's no scene-stealing locations, really, because it's all like every man territory, right? They're moving around. Yeah, I don't know if there's an answer to this one. The great shot Gorder Award for most cinematic shot, though, I like when they're outside the Braidwood Inn when there's that sign.

They're just the wide shot of them sitting outside. It's just, like, very cinematic for, like, two seconds. I think a really moving shot is, is like him, the snow falling on him. That's a good one. You're right. He's in the car. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

That's a good one. By himself. You know how many amazing scenes from the film that we haven't discussed? I know. I mean, we could have just done a rewatch over doing the rewatch The Butcher's Girlfriend Award for the Weeklink of the film Unfortunately, it's always like a female character

in these 80s-90s movies because they try to race through it them But the wife I feel bad for her The wife is just like What's going on with this character? And in general, the family, I think if this movie's missing one thing, it's like some connection with him and the family

that we're not seeing. So, right? Like, have him on the phone with his daughter and she's telling him about the recital. Something where I'm like, oh, this guy loves his family. We never get that. So that was one of the Lawrence brothers

who played the kid, right? Yeah. It's like, well, was that the oldest Lawrence brother? Remember when they were a thing? Joey Lawrence? Whoa. Remember him? Oh, yeah.

I think he was in summer rental, too. Whoa. So the lady that plays the wife. The wife. She was supposed to be in Roxanne. It's supposed to be the lead in Roxanne. She told people that she was going to get it or something happened. And she got cast in this movie only to have, like, a major part of her story in the movie get cut up.

And it's probably for the best because all she's doing is not believing him. And then it turns out he wasn't lying. And here's my friend Del. Roxanne's fantastic. Yeah, we don't need that. What stage the worst? Being a shower curtain salesman, now you just get him on Amazon. What do you need to sell shower rings?

Shower ring. The fact that that was a big enough business to even have like traveling salesmen for. It's crazy. The traveling salesman itself has aged the worst. Yeah, it has. Yeah. It bothers, and there's a backstory, but it bothers me that they don't use the Paul Young version of every time you go away. And apparently the studio wouldn't lease it to them or license it to them.

So they had to use, they had to recons it. figure out with a different version. But I just think that's a great song. It would have been a great way to end it with like a real OG 80s song. And it bothers me to do it. And then all the 87 travel stuff just aged worse just from if somebody like Craig's watched us now, cigarette smoking everywhere. Everywhere.

No cell phones, no apps. Right. No Uber, no Lyft. No Uber, no Lyft. All of these things, I'm thinking when he's looking for it, I'm like, if he calls an Uber, he's at the airport, easy. He doesn't miss his fight. No Airbnb, no hotel.

Traveling in suits? Traveling in suits, did people do that anymore? No. No, but he was leaving right from a meeting. But everybody at the airports in suits, every adult. Like 75% of the people in the airport are always wearing suits. That's true. That's a good one. How about the fact that he thinks he can show up two minutes before the flight at 558?

Right. No text or email to save each other's contact info after you're, all right, I'll see you later, Del. Yeah. Give me your text. Yeah, you're never going to see that person. ever again. Right. But it's very 1987,

which I like. Right. But if they remade this movie, which we'll get into in a second, you would have to incorporate. You have to figure out how to incorporate all the modern stuff in it. Do you remember the era

where to find another human being, you had to turn into fucking Sherlock Holmes? Yeah, like being in college. If your friends disappeared, you may never see them again. Right, yeah, you have to trace them, call relatives. Hey, man, what's the name?

Cool, yeah, cool. Okay, get a phone book, look through the phone book. Yeah. look through the phone book, try to do the whole, like, it was difficult to find somebody that you wanted to find. Or if he got separated with somebody on a Friday night, you may never see them again until Saturday.

Ron Burgundy flew to word. Best time for a pee break. As we said, this movie is super, super tight. But right after the car catches on fire, and they check into the hotel room, before you see candy outside in the snow, you can probably run out and grab like a 90-second P and come back. Okay.

It's like a reset moment. Was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no. Nah, dog. Best quote, probably other than those arm pillows, which I think has to win. Runner up, best quote, I guess. I've never seen a guy picked up by his balls before. Or she don't mind.

She's short and skinny, but she's strong. Get your lazy behind out here and put that trunk up in the back. Oh, no, no. The word, we've got it. It's very heavy. She don't mind. She's short and skinny, but she's strong. Her first baby, come out sideways.

She didn't scream or nothing. Isn't that something? She had a baby who came outside. Her first baby come out sideways. She didn't scream or nothing. It's so weird. Let's take a break, and then we'll do the rest of them. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market.

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It was like Belushi, Farley, some of these guys, these like physical comedians who were so gifted I feel like he doesn't get 100% of their respect he deserves for his place in history. I think he's at like 88%. I don't think he gets it at all. 85%, 80%,

I think for a lot of people, it skipped right from Belushi to Farley. And they didn't realize that for really, it is not a shot at John, it's not shot at Chris. The most enduring of those three guys was John Candy. From a body at work standpoint. From a body of work standpoint for sure.

because unfortunately the other I mean, Belushi left us with a lot of stuff Don't get me wrong But he We didn't get to where it was 33 I think Belushi was the most talented

I think Farley was the funniest Yeah And I think Candy was the best mix of both of them Right Farley was probably Yeah he was for those Farley was just everybody He was like that guy

If you're in the room with him You're just fucking laughing immediately At everything he did He just he was like He was too much He was just too much And Balushi was just an incredible, incredible performer who could do... I mean, this guy at the same time had the number one movie, the most relevant TV show, and the number one album.

Which nobody's done that. But Candy... Candy was a good actor. But he was also fucking funny. He was... Yeah. I don't think Chris Farley was like a particularly good actor. I don't think he was a bad actor.

He was in JFK. Yeah, but John was... on a different level as far as what that was concerned. You know what I mean? You have a hottest take or no? No. Casting what ifs? John Hughes won and Tom Hanks for Neil

and John Travolta for Del Griffith. Huh. Hanks was unavailable. He was shooting big. That worked out. I think he could have pulled off this part. I think you had to write it slightly differently. Maybe made the kids younger.

But I think Hanks would have been good in this movie. Maybe. I think... 80s, Hanks was. was really funny. I think Trouvaulta could have nailed Neil. Paramount executives veto Tramolto because he was considered to be box office poison. At that point.

Perfect. Yeah. And staying alive. They're like, fuck that. Perfect is the aerobics movie with Jamie Curtis, right? They're like, we're not putting Judge Volta in this movie.

Yeah. Well, guess what happened? A couple years later, look who's talking. Boom. Yeah, there you go.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubeneck Partridge overacting word. I didn't really have any overacting in this, did you? Mm-mm. Yeah. Scrapping that. best that guy's great. Oh, Beth, that guy is the that is the category

of the entire fucking movie for me, man. We have Ben Stein. Mm-hmm. We've Eadie McClurg. Yep. Who's really the Ferris Buehler secretary. Farris's dad? Farris' dad.

I have no idea what that guy's name is. To me, he's probably the winner, but we also have the old guy from Friends is the cab driver. Right. We have Unger from Longest Yard, the guy who ends up killing caretaker.

Oh. Okay. Yeah. He's the hotel guy. Uh-huh. Yep. And there's a bunch of other ones. But I think it's Ferris Beers' dad because I have no idea what that guy's dad is.

Because immediately, to me, I see him and immediately I go, oh, look. And he's in the movie for two, so you'll never make the six. D.N. Waiter's a word. It's got to be Dylan Baker as Gus's son, right? It's an incredible two minutes by him. And it's so disgusting. and so like so off-footing, but so hilarious.

It's really good. Recasting couch. I was thinking, I was just thinking of other people in history who could have played the Steve Martin part. I think this would have been a really good cluny part in the 2000s. Yeah, works for him. Every man, but I think he could have played off it. For people now, it gets a lot tougher.

If you're going 22. So if you're doing 2012 right now. You don't feel like Affleck could play that part? Affleck as... Affleck is funny. Affleck is funny.

Affleck as Neil and Applese. Maybe a little too old now, though. Oh, maybe a little too... I mean, what is he? 50? What's sad is we'd probably end up two British guys. Yeah.

Because we don't have American actors anywhere. Yeah, but I feel like... We'd end up with Daniel Kaluah and... I'm trying to think of another British guy. That's dope. You like Daniel Kaluua.

Daniel Kaluua. Wait. Daniel Kaluua. Are we doing it now? Black playing trains Automobiles? Daniel Kulula as Neil. Who comes in as Dale?

Kevin Hart. I was going to tell you this later. Tracy Morgan. It's Tracy Morgan, right? Tracy Morgan is Dale. Yeah. Well, they announced a few weeks ago that Will Smith and Kevin Hart

are remaking planes strains in automobiles. That's not true. It's true. That was the thing that was announced a couple weeks ago, and it made me upset. That's not going to work. Hopefully that won't happen. It's just not going to...

Oh, so Kevin Hart, Stop remaking shit. Just stop. Kevin, stop dipping back in the 80s and 90s remaking stuff. Just come up with new stuff. There was a remake that Kevin was going to do

that I was really excited for. What was it? They were going to redo Uptown Saturday Night. They were going to redo Uptown Saturday Night. And I was really into that one. What happened? I don't know what happened with it. I don't know what happened with it.

I'm anti-remake. But I don't think that this movie should actually be remade. That's where I stand as well. My take is, if it's 100% still rewatchable, don't touch it. Yeah, it's certainly, you just kind of leave it on. I don't think it should be. When they remade Total Recall, that made me so fucking mad. And see, that's the, that movie's good now.

That's the thing, right? There's nothing left in the connective tissue of Total Recall to expand it and reimagine it. The movie, it's the movie itself. It's too time step. It means too much. It's too perfect. Half a certain research. the exterior of the airplane

is the same airplane from airplane the movie. Interesting. Every time you go away, it was performed by the Blue Room because they wouldn't approve Paul Young. No transportation company wanted to appear inept or deficient. So that was why we had contract. That's why we had a rent-a-car company

that doesn't exist, et cetera, et cetera. Neil's house was built from scratch and took seven months to complete and cost $100,000, which angered... Burning money. Paramount? Yeah. Hughes is like, I'm John Hughes. I'm John Hughes. I'm out of heater. Just burning money.

Like, it's so crazy. Candy showed up with exercise equipment, a treadmill, bench press, weights, other stuff in his hotel suite, and Steve Martin said he never used any of it. When Dylan Baker's character meets Steve Martin, and he spits in his hand and then shakes shake Steve Martin and Steve Martin's disgusted that was an ad lib on like take 11 John Hughes told him to do that because Steve Martin would be grossed out

which he was. That was what they kept. And then there's just some good candy stories from this movie about how generous he was to everybody. Like the Oscars was there filming during this he invited all of these people to his room and got $1,000 worth of pizza for everybody and like a lot. He just seemed like one of those guys.

Apex Mountain. Steve Martin, I'm going to say no. I'm trying to think. It's not his apex mountain. We've already done this and it wasn't this. Yeah, I don't think it's this. I'm trying to think what his apex mound would be, though. It's tough because he was the biggest comedian in the entire world

to the point that he had to stop doing comedy because people would just recite the lines before he said them. Yeah. So you'd probably say late 70s for him when the jerk came out. Interesting. But then there's a second career of Steve Martin that's from here. See, I'm not even as familiar with him. Yeah, he is the biggest screen in the world.

Host an SNL, he's the best SNL host. Candy, I'm going to say Uncle Buck. With that said, Stripes is an all-time iconic movie and he's very important to that. I just wanted to mention that, but I do think it's Uncle Buck. I'm going to say that this movie is probably

remembered more fondly and more importantly than Uncle Buck. The only problem is that Uncle Buck, he's the man in Uncle Buck. And so Uncle Buck is, in terms of Apex Mountain, that's got to be his apex model. I think it is, too. Because that's him as a full...

It's him carrying everything. It's him carrying everything. And it launches McCauley Culkin, which then launches home alone. Which he launches home alone, yeah. Mid-80s Chicago movies, I'm going to still say Ferris Bueller. Road trip movies.

I got to say yes, bro. I know you don't. I know you disagree. I'm going to say midnight run. You're going to say midnight run. I'm going to say in general, this is the best road trip movie decade. They did it in the,

90s. Well, remember the Galaphanacus and they did, what was it called, due date? Dude date. That's just this movie remade, though. And they were pretty blatant about admitting that. Yeah. Like, we love those movies and they inspired this movie. It was like, nah, it's not... I mean, Tommy Boy is just this movie remade. I mean, they just did it again, you know? Road Trip, the movie, is one of my favorite road trip movies. I really like Road Trip. Yeah. There was another one with Paul Rudd and Reese Witherspoon.

Wait. Overnight Delivery, I think it's called? Is that the one where he kidnaps her? No, is the one where he sends an angry, a videotape to his girlfriend, they have to go and find it and get it back. That's a good one. There's a lot of good road trip movies. There was Chase with Christy Swanson and Charlie Sheen.

The Chase, where they have sex in the car going 100 miles an hour. That movie's ridiculous. What was the one where it was, no, it was Alicia Silverstone that got kidnapped. I feel like it was Benicio del Toro in the movie or something like that. I don't know that one. You don't know? I'll look it up. That might have been in one of your weird cable channels

that you're paying $9999 a month for. Apex Mountain for the LaSalle Van Buren train stop. How do you not think of Martin and Candy if you're at that point, stop? True. Or train stop. Yeah. And then Thanksgiving movies, like 100% yes.

Yeah. I mean, what's the, we'll name another great Thanksgiving movie. We couldn't. Yeah. Best racehorse name, Bradwood. Braywood is a good one. picking nits, let's do it. In no particular order.

Neil's willing to pay $75 to steal a cab from somebody else but won't get his own hotel room at the braid went in. Yeah. Do you have money or you don't? Yeah.

You're throwing around $75, but you have to sleep in the same bed with John Candy? Excess baggage. Excess baggage. I remember that one. Yeah. I don't understand Neil's money situation in this. See, he's...

Isn't it the only, it's the only room available. There's only one available. They only have one left. That's why he doubles up. Is that what it... Did they explicitly say that? Yeah, they did. But that doesn't...

But that doesn't explain why he didn't want to pay. So I'm saying? So, like, there's only one room left. Remember, they go there and the guy... Neil does pay. Neil pays for everything in the whole movie. Oh, he does. Wait, wait, okay, so I'm...

So what I'm saying is... He doesn't... They don't know he's right. They don't know. that there's only one room left, because remember he says that? And then the guy goes, one room left, and Neil goes, share? It's like right after he goes share? Yeah, Craig's right.

I don't understand Neil's money situation in this movie. Yeah, $1,000 on him. Yeah. $800, something like that. Just offer the Bradwood Inn guy an extra $50 to get your own room. They didn't have any more rooms. Oh, they had more rooms. Come on, Brade went in.

Stop it. I'm sorry, somebody's sleeping on the floor. somebody's going to sleep on the floor. We're going to paper-rock scissors. We're going to fucking flip a coin. Yeah, we're going to do something. Somebody's sleeping on the floor. Somebody's going to sleep on the floor.

I'm not. This is a nitpick that's also explained in the deleted scenes. Why didn't Neil notice how dirty the bathroom was when he got into the shower? Yeah. And it was because in the deleted scene, after he gets in the shower, John Candy just wreaks havoc and the whole thing. So I got one. Go ahead.

I have more two. Oh, you do? No, but go. It's only about four hours, four and a half hours from St. Louis to Chicago. Yeah. And they're driving from St. Louis to Chicago. And why did so much time pass? Yeah.

Like, he keeps talking. Why does it seem like it's a 12-hour car ride? It's like, I'll look that up because he goes, Because even when they get into the thing, it's like, oh, we're only three hours. I'm like, there's no way. It's only a four-hour drive from St. Louis to Chicago. So really, once they got there, once they, I'm like, because I was thinking to myself, like, it can't be that far from St. Louis to Chicago. Like, it can't be that far.

So I looked it up. That literally should have been an afternoon or driving it, and they would have been home. Could they really have driven the burnt car? say no. Also, I think the upholstery would have been like 130 degrees. They were. He was going every time he touched it. I don't think that

car is drivable. Would they have died of frostbite in the convertible during the ride? I'm going to say yes. There's two different points where it's like they're just getting frostbite. When they're in that truck, it's just too cold. Chicago's fucking freezing. That whole territory.

But what happened to the burglar, we actually would have been answer that. What happened to John Candy's black eye in this movie? How did he get it? I couldn't even figure that out from the deleteds. Damn, they did say it, though. I just can't remember. Neil punches him, yeah.

In one of the deleteds? Yeah. No one, I don't think we've seen. I don't think they've released the deleted, but I read that somewhere that Neil punches Dell. Punches them. They get until they come the blows. Glad they cut that.

Well, they did because it fundamentally changes. Yeah, you can't have that. Yeah. Do you have any nitpicks, Craig? There's one line. In general, I don't think they're lost for long enough for this to be that big of an ordeal. Like, he leaves the office on Tuesday and he gets home on Thursday. And the wife is acting like she hasn't seen him.

I get that the whole background story she thinks he's cheating. But like, even at the end when he's in the hotel room or he's in the lobby and he's like, please, I've been wearing the same underwear since Tuesday. It's like, dude, it's Wednesday. It's been one day. That is a good point. It's good. Yeah, it did the same underwear for 36 hours. They needed to be lost for longer.

I don't know. It was like 48 hours. Wasn't that big of a deal? Yeah. Yeah, he should have left on a Monday. That's a good point. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. Untouchable.

I can't go back on it now because I've already said it's untouchable. I also vote for untouchable, but all black cast you could talk me into. I mean, they're doing it. So you'll, you'll see. But not with Will Smith and Kevin Hart. You're doing it. You can see, you know what else? You know what?

Almost I could see sequel, but like just what happened after? Does Dale move in with him? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like what happens after? I have that category. Oh. We can jump ahead. It's the Indian Red Zawatna Award for what happened the next day.

Right. My first guess was bronchitis. I think both of them gets super sick. Yeah. But yeah, I think Dell probably stays of them for like five, six days. And then the wife's like either he leaves or we're getting divorced. Right. Or maybe, or maybe, Del stays there, becomes an uncle to the kids, right?

Taking care of the kids while they're gone. And all of a sudden, what you got? You got Uncle Buck. Oh, interesting. Shadowseater. Like what he did there. Maybe that's what inspired Hughes. Could have been.

For the all-black cast idea, what about Chappelle in the Dell role? See, we want to get controversial here. No, no, no, I'm just saying as an actor. I know. I'm just fucking around. I don't know. I've always wanted to see Chappelle play a weird character like this. As in this...

What's your favorite Dave movie performance? I don't think I have one. Interesting. You never saw Half Bates? I've seen all the Chappelle movies. I just don't feel like we've... Half Bakes is funny. Half Bates are so funny.

Ben Simmons didn't like it. Ben Simmons didn't like Half Bates. I was very suppressed. He's out on half baked. Interesting. Let's see. Let's cast it. Let's see if we're going to do it. So the Nile character is...

What if it was Idrisalba and Dave Chappelle? Way too good looking. Idrisalba? Not going to work, dog. It has to be like Sterling K. Brown. Sterling K. Brown. I know I say Sterling K. Brown. No, but he's a good actor.

I have to be Sterling K. Brown. Like you... With Dave Chappelle. I mean, if you're stuck on Chappelle, I'll give you Chappelle. I just want to see him play a weird character that's chain-smoking the whole. whole time and is going on these weird tangents, I think he could do it.

You can do it. But if it's, if it's, just Elba, in that character, they're just not going to have any problems. He's going to bat his eyes at all the people. He's going to keep... The rental car car car, yeah. You know what I mean? You're right.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trail, Catherine Hans, Steve Buschemy, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsher, Phil Baker Hall. Bichemi belongs in this movie. Bishemi, definitely... I can't believe he wasn't in this movie. Bushimi definitely has a place in it. Somewhere in there.

Just one Oscar who gets it candy. Candy, yeah. Probably in answerable questions. Maybe the screenplay, though. We covered all the in answerables except for, why wasn't this movie called Planes, Trains, Buses, and Automobiles? A bus is an automobile. Is that true?

Craig, you like that answer? I believe a bus qualifies as an automobile. Okay. Fine. That a bus is a bus. make sure hold on before we

before we run with that make sure that I'm not like wrong about that because that was just off the top is

is a bus I'm going to Google us is a bus an automobile and the answer is I think we're just getting into semantics

it's a road vehicle I don't know I think it's different best double feature choice for this movie I will give you vacation and then planes, trans and automobiles, or I'll give you planes, trains, and automobiles leading in Uncle Buck.

Okay, so that words. What about, so which vacation, though? First one. I'm going to go Christmas vacation. So I'm going to do a Christmas Thanksgiving double feature. Oh, that's really smart. That's a better answer than mine. I think you start with this and then you go to Christmas.

Because I submit that Christmas vacation is the best of the vacation movies. That's my take. Yeah, like, I submit that that's the best of vacation. I feel like you stole that take for me. I'd never heard the take before. Send that forever. When I'm on the Home Alone isn't a Christmas movie island, I always mention Christmas vacation as an actual real Christmas movie.

So here's the thing. I bet most people feel that way, though. Christmas vacation is a fucking Christmas movie. Yeah, I think most people probably think that that's the best. That's a classic great movie. What piece of memorabilia would you? want from this movie? Dale's shower curtain rings.

I have Dell's trunk. The trunk would be cool. That's it. You can put it in like your... Because the trunk is almost like a character. Put in your office. Like what's that? Oh, it's Dell's trunk from...

Do you have trunks? I used to have a trunk. I think trunks are great. Nobody has trunks anymore. I had trunks forever. You have the trunk for your bed. You open up. Too hard to carry it.

That's why nobody has them. You can see Dell in this movie. You could barely carry the trunk. All right. Coach Finstock Award for best life lesson. Don't ever put your wallet in the glove compartment. That's what I took away.

Yeah. What do you got? Burn up. For me, always ask about somebody's trauma. Hmm. Like, deep on me. I did, because, like, if he had just had a conversation with Del earlier on. What's going on with you?

Hey, man. Dale, are you okay? But he doesn't want to interact with them. That's why this movie's so good. He just doesn't want to connect with him. at the deal. Dale, are you okay? Yeah.

Or like, are you all right, buddy? You know what I mean? Yeah. Um, I love this. Good point. Uh, who won the movie, John Candy? John Candy. Craig, what do you have to add?

Anything? Um, I really think that you guys glossed over how, if this movie was made today, it'd be two hours and 20 minutes. And it's why this movie is so damn great. Because they had the balls to actually cut it down. And John Hughes and the editor sat in a room and the original cut was four hours and nowadays Netflix

would give John Hughes $300 million in every movie he made would be two hours and 25 minutes. No, or they would have said let's make this a five-part TV series. Yeah, they would have stretched it out as long as possible

to get as many eyeballs on Netflix as long as they could. I feel like the moment that shifted was Anchorman 2. Really? Way too long. Anchorman 2 is way too long. They fell in love with everything they shot.

They did alternate versions and it was like five hours of content. And I love Anchorman as much as just about anybody. And I actually liked Anchorman, too. I like parts of it. But that's exactly the point. You're like, I liked parts of Anchorman, too. Because they didn't know how to cut it down.

They didn't know how to cut. They were in love with everything. Is Anchorman 2? Megan good. I don't even remember. Anger Man 2 isn't the one where, that's an Anchorman 1, right? Where there's the big, huge game fight. Yeah.

But they do it again. They do it again, right? I'm remembering. I don't even remember Anchorman, too. I'll be honest with you. I've seen it, but I don't even remember it. It's now, I think, hitting its destiny is a cult movie that people really like because most people like the other one more.

Anchorman One is the... It's an all-timer. Anchorman 1 is 94 minutes. Really? Is it really? Yeah. Single funniest scene in Anchorman. I mean, all of them?

punting Baxter Punting Baxter Punting Baxter The break into Afternoon Delight which is the song I was unfamiliar with at the time Like even

Even though it's in Google hunting Like for some reason I didn't Like when they broke into that We watched that back We used to get so fucked up And just watch that one part of the movie Great I love when they

He starts in some insulting Christina Applegate. She's insulting him, and he calls her, what does he call her, you dirty pirate horror? Yeah. And then she goes, your hair makes the comeback about his hair, and it was like, that crossed the line.

I like every scene in that movie. There's a reason we haven't done that for the rewatchables yet. It's like boogie nights. It's way up there. Exalted territory. All right, that's it for the rewatchables. That was planes, trains, and automobiles. Produced by Craig Horlebeck,

who was supposed to join us as host. we had some complications. You might be able to guess what they are. We'll be back next week with another watchable. Thanks, man. No problem.