The Rewatchables - ‘Point Break’ With Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano, Jason Concepcion, and Mark Titus

Episode Date: August 24, 2017

Hot takes fly as The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano, Jason Concepcion, and Mark Titus dive deep into 1991’s 'Point Break' by debating which scenes have aged the best and worst, where 'Point Break' ranks among bank robbery films, and who won the epic showdown between Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Unfortunately, we don't have any Miller-Lay right now. We're going to talk a little point break. If you missed the first two episodes of the rewatchables, we did a few good men, me and Chris Ryan and Amanda Dobbins. And then we did The Departed, me and Chris Ryan, just the two of us. And now I have Shea Serrano, Jason Concepcion, and Mark Titus in my office, via Condios, my friends.

Are you ready for this? Let's go. Rock and roll. 27 banks in three years. Everybody free! Anything to catch the perfect wave. I'm not a crook. Patrick Swayze.

Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true. Kiama Reed. Do you think I join the FBI and learned, sir? Point break. Adios, can me go. Point break. came out in 1991 in the summer. Amazingly, Terminator 2 came out the weekend before.

It's unbelievable. Whoa. And then Point Break comes out that next weekend in the same theater, Terminator 2 and Point Break. Unbelievable. I think I'm going to start here. Could you make the case this was the first modern action movie, Shea? Oh. I define Modern as if this movie came out right now,

other than cell phones, you might not change anything. What do you think? You can maybe get away with that argument. Didn't Die Hard come out before this? So I watched Die Hard again recently, and I love Die Hard, and I think it's kind of the master... Is that 89? Yeah, the master action movie.

But, man, you watch it now, it's slow. First half hour. It takes a while for the terrorists to get going. It just moves slow, and you're like, all right, you know, can I get, can somebody shoot somebody? and it's a fat movie. It moves at a very 80s pace. There's vestiges of the 80s in Diehard.

I think if they make that movie five years later, it moves a little bit more like speed. Point Break just moves. I was really impressed by the pace of it. Even we're talking 26 years later, Jason. It's unbelievable. I will say this. It is simultaneously an incredibly 90s movie.

Like Anthony Kedis is in the movie as a circus. gang member, Tom Seismore, like, in his first really great cameo. Yeah, early time, Seismore. All the music, the hairstyles, Lori Petty, like at her peak. And at the same time, like you said, you can, like watching this movie, it doesn't feel current, but it doesn't feel dated. Which was one of the reasons it was so weird they did a remake of it.

I was like, I was going to bring up the movie. You're going to remake. Why would you do this? They tried to do like an action sports kind of thing, but man, did it bomb? I did not see the remake. I kind of refuses to see it. It's really bad. Do you feel like this is the first?

How old are you? I mean, I'm no movie. I'm 30, but I'm not like a movie historian, but like I hear what you're saying and I would agree with all that. Like I watched it like an hour before we're recording this. It felt like it came out. Like, you know, it felt like it did come out like this year. Because Keanu's kind of ageless now.

John Wick Keanu, he obviously looks like a guy in his 40s, but he doesn't look that far away from point break Keanu. The beauty of this is, as I was watching, watching it again, which by the way, I've already seen it. This is the rewatchables. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We're rewatching it.

The beauty is like, it's, it's obviously a bad movie, but it's also a very good. Wait, wait, wait. Hot takes coming early. Hold on. Keanu Reeves, he's like, he's a cardboard cutout in this movie. Oh, my, oh my God. What are you talking about? Oh!

I'm bleeding. This is, this is the point of the movie, right? Like, this is why we love it. It's because it's bad, but like, it's also amazing. No, we love it. I think it has elements of a bad movie inside. Okay, I'll give you three moments. Number one, a guy, one of the server gang guys and Bodie's gang,

they're going out serving a night. He takes lighter fluid, takes a knife, just stabs it, spills lighter fluid all over himself, pours the entire bottle on the thing, and then lights a match and throws it on there and doesn't get caught on fire. We have the lawnmower scene where Chiano, he's getting his face shoved into the, he's getting his face shoved into the lawnmower,

and Gary Busey comes around and shoots a lawnmower. We have Bodey is getting chased by Johnny Utah and Body picks up a dog and throws at him. That's the best part of that chase. That's what I'm saying. That's the best part of that scene. We're arguing the same thing. You understand how innovative that is?

The point, if I'm circling back around. I see what you're saying. It's an exceptionally well-done bad movie. Yes, that's what I mean. It's like the best. I'm not against that point. I think this is the Mona Lisa. It's just a straight up good movie.

I actually, I 100% think it's a modern classic. not even kidding. Yeah. I completely, it's one of my favorite movies. I love the movie. Here's the case against it being an exception

to a bad movie. It's actually really Catherine Bigelow early. She did a good job. It's not Roadhouse. It's not, like Roadhouse is a really fun, bad movie, but it's Roadhouse.

With point break, you can squint and be like, this might, this might happen. This could probably happen for real. There might be back robbing surfers. There are a bunch of little things that she did there.

Like when there's a scene when he gets punched and the camera flashes like a white, real fast just like an eighth of a second and have you ever been punched in the chin before like that's exactly what happens this cinematography is great she did that she did a trick where they're running oh my god and it felt like you were running alongside with it my handheld thing it's a smart good movie that was the lighter fluid thing is that like that's an impractical way to light a fire

that was the point i was making was like it's it's got these bad sort of elements but it's so well done right you're like this is actually a good movie it's a good movie she kind of the pogo cam i did a lot of research for this as we're going to get to. The Pogo Cam existed, but she was the one that really pushed up to another level. And like that running scene, it's common now. We've seen it 100,000 million times. But in 1991, it's like, holy shit, how. Look at how they're filming this running scene.

And it still looks really great. I wanted to put a little context into just who these people were when they made this movie, right? Keanu is the Bill and Ted's excellent adventure guy. That's just who he is. He's though, you're like, nobody in 1991 was thinking like, you know who's going to be an action star? Keanu Reeves. He was just the Bill and Ted guy. That's who he was.

I read that Matthew Roderick was one of the people they considered for it for Keanu's role. So you're stepping on half-ass internet research corner, which is coming up later. Dare I say he was young, dumb. Don't fall. Yeah, we can say that. So, yeah, Keanu hadn't really proven him. yet, Youngface. Swayze, the established guy.

Swayze. Peaks Swayze in this. It's perfect. Swayzy is a freaking God in this. He's basically having LeBron's Miami Heat Run. Four straight finals. He does Roadhouse, Ghost, dirty dancing,

point break. I forget what the order of those four were, but that's all in a row. And Next of Kinn, I kind of enjoyed, too. I like Next of Kian. Yeah, a little early in Lisen. Yeah. I'm with it.

The difference here, Swayze is a bad guy. It was like, oh, Swayze, he's, I remember he hosted Saturday Night Live when he was filming this movie and he had this crazy long hair. That was when he did the famous Chris Farley. The Chippendale thing. It's like Swayze can be a bad guy? Swayze from Ghosts. Swayze who's basically played this Holy Spirit and Rodehouse who gets stabbed and takes on this

entire time. He's going to be the bad guy. Yeah, but that's, he does the villain with this charisma and magnetism that is like incredible. Like, I mean, at the end. And Utah is like, all right, I'll let him serve. Like, that's how charismatic this guy is. He's so charismatic.

As you said, he played the bad guy. I almost cut in. I was like, is he a bad guy? Yeah, I'm rooting for him. Yeah. It was one of the rare I'm rooting for you bad guys. Even when he has, you know, Utah's girlfriend kidnapped and like he's going to have to kill. Right.

He's like, listen, I didn't want to do this, but Rosie's an animal and like he'll kill anything that I tell him to kill. I hate that this has to happen. But, you know, I'm sorry. I'm really. sorry about this. It's great Swayze. And I think Swayze's been, you know, part of it was his career for some reason tailed off a couple years after this. Then he got sick, obviously. But he's somebody like, if he was an athlete, we'd be talking about like this Swayze run. We'd be talking about reverentially.

Yeah. He's just now. Swayze's like an afterthought now. It's like this guy for five years. It was like Swayze's got a movie. I'm going. I think this is his number one most perfect role. All of the pieces just fit. Like he just seems. seemed like a naturally spiritual person. He had perfect surfer hair. The hair was perfect jawline. Perfect surfer picks. Like, you got it all.

So we don't see him until the 23 minute mark of this movie. It's like the shark in jaws. Yeah, it really is. It's like, you're watching the first time. We got, oh, that Swayze was in this. And then they kind of mentioned Bodie. It's like, oh, there he is. It's short for Bodhisattva.

Oh, yes, sir. Oh, yeah, that's right. All right. All right, we have some categories. We're going to rip through them. Yeah. We should mention Catherine Bigelow was married to James Cameron,

the director of Terminator 2. Right, right, right. And his marriage fell apart. I think as they were filming that movie, fell in love with Linda Hamilton, the star of Terminator 2. Don't see that. She had just done Near Dark and Blue Steel.

Near Dark, very good, by the way. Yeah. So she was two for two with kind of lower level things, but it's 1991, a woman helming. Yeah. A big action movie was not a common thing, not something people didn't think about. You mentioned casting what-ifs.

We're going to start there. Two great casting what-ifs here. So initially in 1986, Ridley Scott was supposed to make point break. Wow. Right, right, right, right. The stars of point break? Tell them.

Matthew Broderick in the Keanu Reeves role and Charlie Sheen as Bodie. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You know? That's a bad look. That was happening. Matthew Broderick, as John and,

Utah. That just doesn't. Imagine throwing the football in the beach football scene? Matthew Broderick? Remember playing basketball and a cable guy? Like there's no way you could have put off the football scene. Imagine Matthew Broderick. You'd have to change the whole script.

He can't be a former football. This is Ferris Buer Matthew Broder. So as John, so Ridley Scott, I mean, he might have made, save some stuff. So anyway, so that goes away. Ridley's got another movie. And this movie's in now turnaround for four years. They make it again in 1991. Now it's moving.

the producers want Charlie Sheen in the Keanu role or Johnny Depp Johnny Depp Could have pulled it on. Catherine Bigelow says Catherine Bigelow says

no Keanu Reeves is my guy They're probably like That's why she's a genius She's like he's an action star I think he's an action star I see it So first question Johnny Depp or Keanu Reeves

in the lead It's a fascinating what if I think it's got to be Keanu, because you need a guy who can do that sort of dofist surfer voice. Yeah. Accidentally. Yes. Like, Johnny Deff would have done it really well and then like accidentally turned into a surfer for the rest of his life for real. Like it would have just changed everything.

But you needed that sort of airheadedness with the role. But also you have to be able to do that while being 100% serious and not blending those two things together, which is the thing Keanu Greaves can do and I think that's the only person who's ever been able to do. What do you think, Ted is? I completely agree with everything he said. That's, yeah.

I honestly don't even know what else at. That's Johnny Depp would have taken it. She's masterpiece right there. That was why it's a Captain Bigelow. Johnny Depp would have taken it a little too seriously, not that the role wasn't serious. But yeah, like Keanu took it. It was just perfect for the role.

Well, Keanu had the unintentional comedy part of it. I just don't think Johnny Depp. I think he's, I don't think he could have done it Although I will say Johnny Depp as a football quarterback might have presented its own unintentional comedy. I'm not sure. Yeah. I want to see Johnny Depp run. I can't,

I can't picture a movie where he runs. Much less chasing Swayzey down for 60 yards on the beach into the waters. There's no chance. The longest football field of all the time. He's shedding like nine blockers. He's a former quarterback too doing this. It's so many blockers. You're what I thought as I saw that scene is he must have thrown a lot of picks in his career to

like tackle guy. Like he's, that was a familiar. So Johnny E. He tells a quarterback. And he, for him to like, shed off these blockers and tackle guy on the sideline.

He's done that before. He's done that before. Ohio State, baby. So that leads us to most rewatchable scene. Here are the candidates. Feel free to throw in an extra one after hearing this. Number one, the beach football game. I've watched.

I've analyzed. I've 70% thought about actually trying to keep score and telling you guys what the score of the game. Just from the footage they show. Heavy, heavy air yardage to Lori Petty wide open in the end zone. Louis Petty just not really defended in the beach. football game. I'm not sure how much light is coming from the car headlights. Right. We have an

offensive line and a defensive line which is unheard of in backyard football. So many people in the game. Some of my Kianna who always had time about those ways he did nail him once. All right, so that's one. The surfer brawl with the bonus of every time I watch point break, I forget Anthony Kedis is in it. And it's like, oh yeah,

Anthony Ketus, there is. He's one of the dudes. Shoots himself in the foot. It's great. Busey has to come in intervene. The big bank robbery that leads to the foot chase. That would be personally my choice, but I'll keep going here. The airplane slash parachute scene. That's the one right there. Okay.

That's my pick. The airport shootout and then finally the ending. So you're going with the parachute scene. It's got to be the parachute. It's all of the parts of the movie in a three-minute span. You've got the two guys battling each other. for alpha male status. You've got Keanu eventually backing down.

Like Bodie just out-crazes him. Yep. You've got the injury. You've got, after he injures himself, Bodhi's just like there, not laughing at him, but letting him know, like, I beat you. Right.

Just barely staying out of reach. You've got Keanu still fight. It's just, it's perfect. All of the pieces of that scene are perfect. Give me that one. What do you got, Jason? I like the beach football because it's like, first of all,

it, like, ground. these characters who are like these counterculture guys like in an American tradition like these it's like that scene is saying yeah these guys look weird and they're like spout these weird philosophical things but these are American dude these are good old American boys playing football on the beach yeah and you really get the charisma of Bodie like he's just like magnetic in that yeah he's incredible and then when it when it when the game like devolves into Utah versus Bodie and that's how he earns his respect yeah it's incredible You gotta love a good intro scene like, you don't know who this is.

Yeah, you know great. That's great. I'm in on the bank robbery. We're talking about the first one where Bucie and Johnny Utah are doing the stakeout. You can have whatever a bank robber. The second one where Johnny Utah is in on. I think the first one. I was saying the first one. Yeah, the first one, because one, it starts with Gary Bucci saying, give me two. I need two meatballs subs. Angelou, it's 1030. Right around that corner, there is a sandwich shop.

They sell meatball sandwiches. Best I've ever tasted. Would you go give me two? Come on, partner. Utah. Which is a great... Yeah, which is a great... Give me two.

And it's also, it gives us the very end when Johnny Utah has got the shot on Bodie and he doesn't take it. It's like that's the moment where you realize... He's got a movie now. Yeah, like Bodie's got the upper hand here. Like, that's when it's like, oh, this isn't just any other movie. Like, this is like some psychological, you know, stuff going on here.

my opinion, I'm going with the beach football game because every time it's on, if it's three minutes before the scene, I'm staying, even if I, like, have to go. Like, it's one of those scenes where the fam's going out to dinner and it's on and be like, hold on, hold on. And like, wait, are you watching Point Break? You just watch this. It's one of those scenes. But I love, as you said, it's the introduction to the crew. It's the old kind of 80s, early 90s formula of bringing the new guy into the group with some sort of contrived activity. Hey, come on into our 25-person football game. The football scenes are hilarious.

Kianu, you saw the seeds of where it would eventually go in the replacements when he became Scott Mitchell. He's athletic. Yeah, he was good. He was running. He was a little move around. Little Mike Vickish. A little bit.

A little white Mike Vick. And then it leads to Bodie gets the sack on him, which I love. I love that part because I think Swadekittaker. He's a little extra. Keanu is like, don't hold back. Like, let's make this a grill space. He's like, okay, you got this.

And like really laid him out. I love he's blitting off the edge. Oh, it's great. He's like to mark a square. And then, um, and then everything culminates in how many tacklers did he shed? He like three. No, no, it's more than three. It was like seven.

He was like seven. He was like seven. And then he's off. And Suezzi's running down the sidelines for hours. He's on another beach by the time he gets. tackled and somehow is in the water. He ran 10 yards out of balance to tackle him. Kiana tackles him

and then the other guys immediately rush over. It's like, we just watch Swazy rush for 840 yards. And then immediately somebody goes, hey man, that's Johnny U. They're like, what you're doing? And then Swayze does that. You know who that is? The subtle amazing thing about

that jumped out to me was how he introduced him as Johnny Utah and he said he was all conference. At that point, if you're writing this movie, you could give him any identity. He'd be like, yeah, a He won't the He was a highman. He was a highman.

He picked all conference as though like, like, I'll ask you, who was the all conference quarterback in the big team last year? He was like, I don't know. They should have made him a highzman finalist. They should have made a Heismid or something.

I'm dubious that these fucking surfer guys knew who John in Utah was. Like they were watching a number. Oh, number, no, number. These guys are big football. They're on the beach every day. They're not watching football on Saturdays.

They're trying to surf waves. Watch the rolls. I love that part, though. I love that. Oh, they beat SC. And then suddenly he's welcome. Hold on. I'm going to defend him.

They said you beat SC in the Rose Bowl. So we're in Southern California. Maybe those guys are like plugged into the Southern California. They were watching the Trojians. They were watching the Trojan. That's what it was. What has aged the best? Who?

So we're saying 26 years later, what's aged the best? Here are the four candidates. All the bank robbers, the parachute scene, Swayze versus Keanu. You see it sometimes in its magic, Cage versus Travolta, Swayze Keanu, and two actors relatively at the same spot. Just go ahead, Ed. The concept of a 50-year-old storm. Still enjoy it now.

I love that. 26, you guys made me try to Google, hey, when's the next time the 50-year-old storm's happening? When's the super soil? The earth lets us know just how small we are. And then the last choice is just whoever came up with the idea of the ex-presidents. Bank robbers wearing ex-president masks. Fucking great. I mean, you could do this movie now with Donald Trump, Donald Trump mask and George W. Bush.

It's the number one movie mask. Jason and I talked about this like two years ago. We were going over bank robbery movie masks. Better than the Halloween Michael Myers mask? Better than the screen mask? Oh, no. Better than the screen mask? Oh, bankrupt.

Oh, unquestionably. Yeah, yeah. What's like the runner up to that? I guess the town. with the nuns? The town. The nuns were pretty good. The paint and dead presidents.

Yeah, that was good. What do they do in inside job? I thought they had like a theme where they were, I forget. It doesn't matter. They were dressing the painters and they just pulled a little. Oh, that was all. Yeah, it wasn't anything. I was going to bring this up later.

Now, do we have enough movies yet for a bank robbery channel? Because I wish we had one. I love bank. And it's got a movie. It's got a little thing in the bottom. Are there enough yet to show heat every night at 8 o'clock? Point break. Dead presidents.

Inside man. What else do we have? Town. The town? Yeah. We have enough. There's quick change, that Bill Murray movie where he's a clown.

Yeah. Inside job kind of like. We should at least have enough for a Cynamax to do a special bank robbery weekend. Yeah. And for whatever reason, every time I root for the bank robbers. Always.

It's like heat. It's like those guys were the worst guys than the planet. Really terrible. Like a Seismore takes a little girl hostage who up. I'm like, get them out. Yeah, bring the girl around.

I mean, it's the, These movies suck you in and you root for them to execute the bank robbery, which makes me think like, am I, do I deep down want to be a bank robber? That's an exciting thing to think about. I think about every time I walk in the bank. Yes. Every single time. Every single time.

You look at the cameras? The closest this ever, that I ever got to robbing a bank was, this was in like 2005 or six, before my kids were born. I had a motorcycle and a road to the bank, which is like two blocks. the house and I had the helmet on and I walked in with still the helmet on like not thinking about it and everybody looked and I was like took it off and then realized oh shit oh they thought I was probably robbing my bad like but it's an exciting it's just an exciting thing to think about like you watch especially when you watch a simple one like that that was one of really smart things that didn't

point break you watch it and you like Patrick says it I only need 90 seconds of your life right that's all this care about the vault yeah it's one of the lessons in the movie don't care about the Leave the fall in the fall in there. Go low stakes. 30 banks in three years? Yeah. I could probably do two. If they did 30, I can do two is what it starts to feel like.

So we're not even one third of the way through the pot and we've learned that Shea knows what it feels like right when you get punched in the chin. She had a motorcycle and he's case banks. I can't wait for the rest of this podcast. This is going to be great. What do you think has aged the best? So I think it's got to be the Swayzee Keanu thing in the sense that I was late to point break.

Like I think the first time I watched it was probably three or four years ago. go and the hook. I feel so bad for your first 26 years without it. And by the way, like, I read your columns much longer than this. I don't know how it lasted that long with you dropping point very good. I play myself. But like the big hook for me was I think I started watching other Keanu and Swayze movies. And then I was like, okay, so you're telling me there's Keanu and Swayze and Gary Busey all in the same movie.

I have to watch this. So that's the thing that. And my second answer would be the Richard Nixon impression. Like, I want to see the audition tapes of the guy. It's phenomenal. I'm with you that the Swayzee Kianu. That's the hook of the movie. It's age like a fine line.

You could say it's like, yeah, just pull someone off the street and like, have you seen point breaks and you're like no. And then you say Swayzee, Keanu, surfers, bank robbers, Gary Busey's in it. And they'd be like, I'm in. That's all you know. It's like when Bert and Magic finally played each other in the 84 finals. That's how I feel about this. The two Titans finally match in forces.

What's age the worst? Here are the possibilities. Utah's water tackle of boating, which we mentioned earlier. Gary Busey playing someone with a job in credibility. That has an age great. It's kind of like an oddity. Every line.

He's actually good in this movie. He's great. Like the chemistry between him in Utah is actually really good. Yeah. It's well written. It's well-acted. It's really well-written. I love the fact that when Utah shows up,

Gary Busey is like, the reporter in the Incredible Hulk where he's got the theory, it's the right theory, but nobody believes him. And then Utah is the guy who's like, you know what, I've got the young guy energy. You've been working at this a long time. Let's find out what's going on.

It's an old 80s, early 90s cop, cop gimmick of the old aging cop with the new guy. But they flip it because usually it's like the old cop is teaching the young cop how to control himself and calm down. But in this case, when they first meet, it's the young cop getting the old cop mad on purpose so that he can feel you

you feels good doesn't it so that he can feel something again so he can be like okay now let's work on your theory like let's do this like Titus does that to me every once in a while this quote from Patrick Swayze in the movie as Bowie this was never about money for us

this was never about money for us it was about us against the system that system that kills the human spirit we stand for something to those dead souls inching along the freeways and their metal coffins

we show them that the human spirit is still alive we stand for something to those dead souls inching along the freeway and their metal coffins we show them

that the human spirit is still alive a little awkward now I love that it's a little over the top I just don't I'm not buying that a bank robber

slash surfer is going to be that tattooed on my ear if we're doing boldie would say that He laid out like that. If we're doing over the top lines, it's got to be Gary Busey staring off in the distance and be like, L.A's changed in 22 years.

The air got dirtier and the sucks got cleaner. There's like right of the height of the AIDS epidemic. What? Yeah, AIDS and Spog. So you don't feel like anything's aged badly in this movie? No, I don't at all. Okay. It all, to me, fits.

Yeah, I think maybe, you know, going back to the gunfight scene, that lawnmower, has aged. Yeah. I think the more and by the way, like,

it's funny that like you pick like the shooting a lawnmower, okay, fine, that's like ridiculous. You know what's even more ridiculous?

Is the fact that this massive gun battle is going on in this freaking house and this dude's just out there mowing the lawn? Right. That's true.

Does that know what's going on. And then the naked chick is just beating the hell out of all. She kicked. She kicked John's up to the ass. Yeah. It's great.

She won't have a best supporting actress. I don't think you realize. You know, know it's actually age the worst? I didn't mention this as a candidate. The first Fast and Furious movie, because when you watch Point Break, you realize how Fast and Furious One. I knew it when I first saw Fast and Furious One. I was like, wow, they ripped off Point Break and made about cars.

But man, when you really watch Point Break closely, right down on the fucking Coronas. It's like, it's like, beat by beat. I saw a thing, and I'm not sure if it was accurate or not, but the scene where Keanu first meets the What's her name? Lori Petty. Lord Petty. She's just Lori Petty. I always forget her real name.

When Keanu meets Lori, that was the same restaurant where in Fast and Furious when Dom and Brian sit down and have. What? Oh, wow. But I read that. So it was more than an homage. It was like a hat tip that they did it there. All right.

It's time for the half-assed internet research corner, one of my favorite parts of the rewatchables. Point Break was not the name of the movie. movie initially. There were two other names. The first one, it was called Johnny Utah. Johnny Utah. That was the working title for years. Johnny Utah.

Studio didn't like it. They changed it to writers on the storm. I thought you kind of like that one. No, I don't like that. Now it had, that has like a door. The doors are involved now. Yeah. You can hear it.

As soon as you say the words, you hear the song. So point break, obvious surfing term. Perfect title. It feels like, yeah, it's a great action movie title. Short, fast. kind of feels like it involves the movie even though it really doesn't other than the surfing part.

Yeah. Keanu Reeves, do you think he had surf before this movie, Titus? I'm going to say no. I don't think he did. I think he, but he learned. The answer is no. He learned how to surf.

Swayzey done it a couple times but wasn't really good at it yet. Lori Petty had never been in the ocean. What? Yeah. Never been in the ocean. Perfect. From the desert?

Yeah. See? Half a half a research corner. By the way, I'm not positive any of this is true, but this is what's on like. In the ex-presidents, cast included two real surfers that were not actors. But they just threw in there because they liked the surfers. Adios Amigo, Swayze jumps out of the plane. That was actually him really skydiving and really jumping over.

Yeah, I read that. He was a shooper into skydiving. After the film, Keanu Reeves took up surfing as a hobby. Wow. How about that? Grab the whole of you. Not surfing at all to now it's become a part of his life. A little boy in the movie tried to tell him once you just start.

Yeah. It's the way. In the foot chase scene, a body double was used for Patrick Swayze because he was overseas promoting ghost. That's excellent. Swayze, by all counts, became Bodie during the filming. Oh, yeah. He was born, Bodie.

He cracked four ribs during the filming. He did almost all of his. chase scenes. He did over 30 parachute jumps. And the production company had to do a cease and desist order to get him to stop because they're worried he's going to get hurt. The stunts in this movie are incredible. Like the end fight, he really kicks Keanu in the chest.

Yeah. Oh, with A-O-E? Yeah. And the camera stays right on Keanu's face. Like, it's him. It's not a bite-up. It's great. I think they went for it.

They shot most of the surf scenes in Latigo Beach in Malibu. But the final scene, sadly, not shot in Bell's Beach, the home of the 50-year storm. It was shot in Indian Beach in Oregon. I wish I didn't know that in the half-ass internet. They kind of bummed me out a little bit. All right. Next category. The Dion Waiters Award, a new category for the rewatchables.

All right. Best heat check performance by a role player. Here are the nominees. John C. McGinley, a stereotypical, loud, angry police chief. I love him. James LaGroess One of the surfer guys Which one?

Not Beacher from Oz Who's also a nominee here But the other guy Yeah's Rosie That's Rosie Anthony Ketus Or Tom Seismore Who's your pick for the DM Waders Award?

I'm going John Give me Dr. Cox Every time over everybody I'm gonna go with James Lagrosse Who played Roach And he had that classic line Where he's talking about

Like surfing And your balls feel like About this big big man. He makes like this like little pinching thing with his like fingers. And he's, he just puts like the surfer accent on like so hard. You didn't tell me he was going to be like this man. Right. And it's just like, I'll be honest. I bought some. He does, which is great. I bought some James LaGro stock in 1991. I did. Bought a, bought a small thing. He's kind of, this is the Valkeem Kilmer and Heat kind of role for him. Val Kilmer came after. But kind of

the supporting guy that you kind of like you're reading for him when he gets shot. even though he's a bank robber. Right. Putting lives at risk every time he runs the bank. Oh, no, oh no, he's hurt. Who do you have, Titus? I'm doing the guy. Who's the, I don't know who he was.

The guy who was the, the, the, um, and the first surfing gang, the violent surfing gang who. War child? Yeah. He surfs in a Johnny Utah and decides it's time. Oh, that guy. The guy starts to fight. Yeah. Cut his leg.

We're going to kick his ass. Yeah, he's just that guy. I didn't even know who that is. That was, um, that was a fun scene for me because I think it set the tone. for like what surfing I mean you got like the bank robbers and all that but you know Bodie's whole mantra was like we're not violent we just kind of show the guns and then it kind of like sets it like surfing is serious shit when you got a guy pulling a switchblade and who swims with a switchblade like he just was in the ocean with a switchblade I thought she was going to say when I used to swim

with the switch blade it raised the stakes that that sea did for me so uh we're going to apex mountain who ripping off a couple names deciding whether this was the apex of their career. Lori Petty. I literally don't know who Lori Petty is. She's the girl. I know Tyler.

I'm saying like otherwise. I couldn't. So she was league of their own. Free Willie. Teddy Manny. She was Patty Manny's? Yeah. Patty Manny.

That's the answer then. And orange is a new black. Yeah, she's in orange. She's great in that, by the way. I'm going to go. She's like the neurotic. I think it's tank girl though because that was when they were like, you know what? Tank girl's a good pig.

Let's see if Lori Petty can carry a movie. But that would mean that's not her apex because tank girl tanked. It was appropriately dived. I just think as like as a display of ambition that somebody was like, you know what? Lori Petty, she's a movie star. I'm going to Patty mayonnaise. Okay. She was kind of a leftover.

She was kind of a leftover. The look she had in this movie was a leftover 80s. Kind of that legend of Billy Jean. Kind of like the short hair, a little androgynous. She looks a little like Woody Harrison. I remember me more attractive. to her in 1991 before I had had more Woody Harrelson exposure. They actually look alike.

Well, then the scene where she finds Utah's FBI badge and comes and shoes the pillow, she's got like the shirt on and she's got like her chest exposed, but it's like covering. Yeah. I'm going to be careful with my words. Yeah, androgynous would be the word. Gary Bucie. I love Gary Bucie. Apex Mountain?

Apex? No. Surviving the game. Give me Gary Bucie. Surviving the game. Okay. That's what I mean. Give me Gary Busy hunting a human.

The correct answer is the Buddy Holly story because I think he got nominated for an Oscar for that. You're probably right, but I'm going to get a surviving a game. My answer is I of the Tiger. I don't know if you know about this movie where a biker gang kills his wife and daughter. Why don't I know about this? Shea, how do we not know about this? He comes back from NOM. He goes to prison because like the towns.

Shee loves prison. He was at war and a prison and his family of guilt. The tagline is like NOM was hard, prison was harder. but this gang is the hardest thing. That sounds perfect. Did you write this movie? You blacked out? It's Pete Gary Beasie for me.

I have the tiger. She and I, when the rewatchables is a massive success, Shay and I are spinning off into a prison movie rewatchables. And we're just banging them out. Did you see Shotcaller yet? Oh, of course I did. You loved it, right? The day it came out.

Yeah, it was great. It was really, really, like, shockingly good. It was a good, like, not just a hokey prison movie. You watch it. Because they don't explain anything. They just let everything cook until the end. And you realize like, oh my God, he really did that shit. He really did.

It's fantastic. She's the only person I ever met who enjoys prison movies as much as I do. I was going every prison movie under the scenario, how would I handle this? What would I do? And the move is always just to immediately get in a fight and prove that you're not going to take any shit. I'm getting a boyfriend real fast. I'm not surviving a prison fight. There's no way I'm going to survive.

You got to do like the 25th hour where you get something to do. to beat your ass before you go in. That's a good move. That's a good move tough when you go in. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. You got to do that or join a prison gang. Yeah.

Well, we're going to cover all that on prison rewatchables, the new spin-off of the rewatchables. Apex Mountain. Keanu Reeves. No, no, no way. No. I had to mention them. Yeah, you got to mention them. He's like, what is Keanu's apex if it's not this movie?

John Wick 2. That's the Matrix. That's got to be the Matrix for me. It's a matrix for me. It's a matrix. I think you can, that's a good pick. but I would go John Wick too. I have a, you guys are going to be mad at me.

Sure. I think it's speed. Wow. Speed was in a, like I smash it. Yeah. Speed basically created the summer action movie. It was the first one that they released a little early, pushed it behind. He carries it.

I think he's in every scene basically. Yeah. It's a ridiculous movie with a ridiculous premise. 94. Speed is definitely a movie where I was surprised that he could carry. that movie. He cared and then some. You could say John Wick, but it's a little older.

I mean, probably the answer is John Wick, too, because he's a show and I've discussed before. Yeah. He also did this. I don't know. He just took a different cop role where he, like, he just took a different cop role where he, like, cut the hair and he looked like more squared away,

like a Marine or something. And he was bulked up. He was good in that. You know who's great in that movie is Bullock. She's fantastic. She is so good in that movie. Find the movie. She became a massive star.

Yeah. Because, yeah, anyway. Last one, Swayzy. Oh, yeah, Swayze. Swayze is like... Does the Apex for him? Swayze. Yeah, Swayze is like in the fucking Milky Way galaxy.

He's so, like, high up there in this movie. What is Swayze's basketball box score in this movie? Because it's like, he plays 29 minutes. Yeah. He has like an Isaiah Thomas type of minute load, but he puts up like 37, 12, and 15. I remember when I was watching... You remember the movie Ghost in the Darkness? Yeah.

Yeah. I like that movie. Okay, I was watching like the DVD commentary one day just for whatever reason. And Michael Douglas was in it and he was talking about how the ideal role in a movie is the person that they talk about in the beginning. And then you show up a third of the way into the movie and then you die at the end. Like that's the role everybody wants. And that's what Bodie was here. I still think it's got to be Roadhouse because when I watch Point Break, Swayze is obviously great.

When you watch Roadhouse, you're like, I need to be Patrick's. Swayzy. Whatever it takes, I have to become that man. I have to become Dalton. I have to, like, just cross my arms at a bar and just be the cooler. I have to make love to a woman, like, upstanding up against the wall. Like, I will do whatever it takes. Who gave me stitches.

Who gave me stitches. So, that's tough, though. That one's the hardest. That's the hardest. That's a good one. To use the basketball analogy, though, like, point break's like he won the title with point break. He's on a great team.

They win the NBA title. Roadhouse is like. Kobe in 2006. It's like he took the 2006 Lakers to 48 wins. He's just as he's the whole team. It's number eight Kobe versus number 24 Kobe for me. All right. Unintentional comedy award.

Oh, man. Swayze's hair. No. No. No. That's not even sure. No. That's amazing.

Yeah, yeah. That's a cool haircut today. Yeah. Okay. Like drop that haircut in any time period. On Patrick Swayze's face though? Yeah. It frames him perfectly.

Frost. Frosted. Frosted tips? It's all that said. It's all perfect. All right. The homoerotic tension. Swayze telling him one point, you know you want me so bad.

It's like acid in your mouth. It's interesting to say. Just throwing it out there. Yeah, but I think it's a testament to the chemistry and to the magnetism of Patrick Swayze in this thing. You never question it. Yeah. Yeah, it was just a cool.

He just was saying cool things right there. The touch football game. We mentioned it before. Love it. Take your hands off me right now. That's the one. He's handcuffed. He's about to be charged for accessory to murder.

And he's making demands. Like, shut up. Keanu, I think when he had this script, he's like, can you put some ellipsuses in there? Right. Because there's this line and says, take your hands off me right now. What if we put an ellipsis between hands and off me so I could pause? When they're going to Rob in the first place and he tells Bodie, I am an FBI. That's a good line there.

I am an FBI agent. And then finally. on the, Keanu jumping out of the plane. The face he makes, the kind of fuck it look. He says it too. He's like,

ah, fuck it. And then just goes. It's the funniest Keanu moment in probably any movie of just Keanu, just being Keanu. But what do you think is the unintentionally funniest thing?

I think it's that a line. Okay. That's the only part that felt a little when you watch. Even when you watch it now, and every time he jumps out of that plane, I'm like, oh.

Like, I can't, I picture myself trying to do that. I can never do that. Tyler would have just been dead. She would have died a long time ago when they told me, oh, you kidnapped her? Like, cool.

I'm not robbing his bank. Oh, you're kidding up the chick I met. Like a week ago. Oh, man, that sucks. I think it's the line reading. Like, all of his line readings in this are hilarious. Every single one. Yeah.

So the FBI is going to pay me to surf? Yeah. It's like, it's incredible. I saw online as I was researching for this. There's a place that does point break live. Yeah. And they pull someone from the audience. The ringers, Jim Cunningham was about with that.

You do that? They pull someone from the audience to play Johnny Utah and they just have to read the cue cards to make it feel like it's the real movie. There's another great one when he's trying to talk to Tyler after she finds out he's a cop. Right, he tells him like his parents. And he's like, oh, why can't I say what I feel?

Like it goes through the total thing. It's another great one. I think for me it's I am an FBI agent, the delivery of it. It's the ultimate Keanu. It became a running joke for the rest of the decade. to yell at it people. All right, we're going to pick some nits. The parachute scene.

Mythbusters on the Discovery Channel broke it down, apparently, and learn the following two things. They could not have free fall for 90 straight seconds. Apparently, that's impossible unless they were dropping from another planet. You could not hold any sort of conversation whatsoever after two people free fall in. that holding each other, would not be able to understand each other apparently. They'd be unintelligible. I disagree with that one.

Well, they did this on the show. I disagree with that. Because we went skydiving and you do a tandem jump your first time. You're attached to another person. He's on your back. And he talks to you when you're going down. He like moves your arms.

Are you sure that wasn't God? But he moves your arms in the right way and he's like screams in your ear. You can hear. I can hear him. Okay. So Shade disagrees with MythButzer. What they did realize, though, is that.

even though it seems completely improbable and should be the most unbelievable part of this movie apparently you could jump out of a plane and do what Keanu did and grab the other guy

and hold onto them yeah they said that was actually realistic which I believe it absolutely shocked by I can't believe that's true I believe it

Titus is in shock right now can you pull the parachute like 30 feet from the ground and that part you should have exploded imagine how surprised you are if you're a guy like,

I get startled if I'm in a store and someone taps me on a shoulder. Imagine you're like free falling and a guy's like surprise, here I am. Well, you probably wouldn't even, you'd be like, what the fuck? You'd think it was like a Game of Thrones dragon or something.

You wouldn't think it was a human being. We talked about none of the surfers recognizing Johnny Utah. I still, I'm going to pick some nits on that one. I don't know. At the end, Keanu and Swayze are fighting and Kianno somehow handcuffs Swayze.

And the water. And the water. It's a little improbable. What about just the setup of, yeah, let this American cop go alone to talk to this international criminal. We'll just hang like two miles back. Right, right, right. And let him deal with it.

He's 30. He's 30. Right. Right. Yeah. We covered how long was the beach football field? Super long. It seemed like 500.

250 years. Almost as long as the fast six airplane runway. Do you see recognizing? that the robbers might be surfers from their tan lines on these black and white bank robbery cameras? I don't know.

Well, he also got the sand, though. He had the sand. He had the sand. If you take your kid, we take my boys to the beach all the time, they have a very distinct tan line in the summer. But these are like cameras

that are up in the corner of a bank in black and white. They're like security cameras. If a parent looks at him and sees like, I know that tan line. He probably spends a lot of time outside. Okay. Sand surfers.

Last but on least, why didn't can or just get his neat? fixed. It was the early 90s. Dr. James Andrews was around. He's John Utah. What was like what did he have like the Marcus Latimore type of injury? Yeah, he said he broke his leg. It said it had been back 90 degrees. It took two years of surgery. Oh yeah. I think it must have been the most horrific. It had to have been like a Willis McGahey, Marcus Latimer like when he was when he was on the Raiders, right? Like that probably that same thing happened. I think the main the main issue that I have with the movie after I've watched it 25 times is that like number one,

how bad at being police, Keanu and Gary Bucy are. They're terrible. They're just miss everything. They've robbed the bank while you're reading a comic and buying a sandwich. Two sandwiches and two sandwiches. Well, three total. So they're really bad police.

Keanu gets beat up by everybody he tries to fight in the movie. Including the chicken shower. Including the negative shower. He's always ready to throw down, though. Including the negative woman. Yeah. I love that he gets beat up by that woman and then tackles a guy out of a window like he did it's going yeah but also the other part is that everybody dies and like

they never talk about that they all just are dead bodie for as perfect and and charming as he is caused so many people that at least 10 people are dead because of boating but i'm still rooting for him in the last scene to surf the wave yeah and and how does keanu get out of all of that how does he get out of robbing a bank causing it's a flaw for people to die it's a flaw and still is in the is in the You could pull the hostage thing for only so long. Yeah. I also, I'm dubious that near the beginning when Sway's like, I'm having some people over at my house.

I'm dubious like, Body knows that many people to have that big. He's a bank robber. What is he? He's a bank robber, but he's also like the life of the party. It was 200 people over. All right. Best quote. The nominees, we talked about I am an FBI aging.

We talked about Viacondias. McGinley. You're a real blue flame special, aren't you, son? Young, Dumb, and Full of Com classic. It's a solid one. Six seconds were going to be meat waffles. Like that, never heard meat waffles before. Never.

Keanu going, You crossed a line. People trusted you when they died. They got to go down. You got to go down. Bodie's saying, fear causes hesitation. And hesitation causes your worst dreams to come true.

That's a good quote. It's not wrong. If you're in high school and you're like, you know, a couple months from now, you're a high school senior. Like, what's my yearbook quote? going to be not a bad choice. Put Bodie in.

And put Bodie and no one will know who Boettling. Sneak it in. Yeah. No kids this age will know who Boettys. Three people will think it's amazing. Guess we must just have an assall shortage here. That's great. That's a great one.

What's the best quote of this movie? I like Young Dumb and Folcom. I think it's fucking hilarious. That's good. I'm going to go with when you didn't mention the very last line for Keanu when they tell him, oh, we'll catch a Bodie when he comes back. And he's walking away. He's like, he's not coming back.

Yeah. Yeah, it's the last line. It's great. One of the best last lines. I'm just going to go with the frontrunner. I think it's, I'm an FBI agent. Bodie, this is your fucking wake-up call, man. I am an FBI agent.

I know, man. Isn't it wild? I'm an FBI. I think that's like, it became like a calling card. Yeah. It's a good line. It's a young gentleman full comb for me because it was so early in the movie.

It like sets the tone. And you're, you know, you're kind of like, what is this movie? McKinney's really going for it. He went. It's a Dian Waiters. I'm shooting every time I get the ball. That was my pick. You're real blue flame special, aren't your son?

Young, dumb, and full of calm. I know. But I don't know is how you got yourself assigned out here to Los Angeles with us. I mean, how? I guess we just must have ourselves an asshole shortage, huh? Not so far. That happens like two minutes into the movie. Yeah.

All right, we're in the home stretch. This is my favorite part. of the podcast. Probably unanswerable questions. Is this the best surfing movie ever? Wow. What are the other options that we have? The one about the girl with the one arm. She's out.

It was all right. Blue crush. Blue crush is pretty good. Blue crush is out. Endless summer. People like, people like the one with Gerard Butler. My wife loves surfing movie. She likes that one with Gerard Butler, which is called like Mavericks.

Chasing Mavericks. I think it's too hard for a movie to only be a surfer movie. You need another part. Well, that's my next question is, is this a surf movie or a bank robbery movie? It's a bank robbery movie. What it really is, is a bank robbery surfing movie, which is why it stands alone and why it's a not a saleable

resume. It's perfect. Why did Bodie quit the FBI at the end? Because he had pushed out by LeBron James. I'll tell you why, because he had internal, not Bodie, Utah. Utah, Utah. Utah internalized Bodie's like the dead souls inching along

the freeway philosophy. Like that's what he, what he had been looking for the whole movie. Yeah. That's why he had become like entranced by Bodhi. And he was just like,

I'm not going to be the man anymore. I want to surf. That's like what's in my heart. Bodea. grew his hair long. I think he also realized he's terrible. Like, like she said, he's a terrible cop.

He's a terrible cop. He was supposed to be undercover. He didn't change his name, even though he's a world famous. How did you not change your name? World famous quarterback doesn't change his name. Of Giant, Nevada. Like when they go,

when they're on the stakeout for the, to bust the guys, He doesn't wear a mask or conceal his identity at all when he's with Gary Burey. That was one thing they did better and fast and they're furious. New name. Give him a mask when they go on the stakeout. I have a question. Why does Bodie hit the vault at the end? Why does he change it up?

He knew it was over. Why the two orders, Colonel Jessup? It is. Why betray your philosophy? That's always mystified me. Like, why then? That is a good question. Why at that moment is Bodie like, you know what?

We're going to hit the vault. Maybe he started to really truly hate himself. And it was like a self-destructive type of... He's like, I ordered... The whole last 10 minutes he's trying to die. I could have had Rosie... I ordered Rosie to kill him. Yeah.

What chain of events would it take for you to jump out of an airplane without a parachute? Zero. Zero. None. Zero chain of events. Your twin boys have been pushed out by a bad guy wearing a parachute. Mm-hmm. You would jump out.

No, I got another kid. I'm good. I'm good. There's no way I'm jumping out of an airplane. Is that the single craziest thing anyone's done in an action movie? Yeah. It's the single craziest. I want to say no,

but I can't think of anything else anyone's done that was crazier than that. It's the single craziest believable thing. Yeah. That could happen. Good point. You can come up with some other, like Dom, if we're talking about Fast and Furious, crashing the car, diving off, catching Ledy Cratt.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but that's too much. But this one, somebody could do that, could pull it off. It's the craziest thing. This is where it goes back to how this was a really exceptionally well-done movie. They built Johnny Utah's character to the point that I actually believe that he jumped out of the plane. Yeah, I did too.

Absolutely. He was kind of all in in his job, crazy, reckless. Like he just had no fear. I believed he was going to do that. Did Bodie actually die at the end? Oh. Yes. Yes, he did.

So we're going to, let's go back to Picking Nets. Bodey didn't get up on the surfboard. That bothered me about the movie. I needed to see Bote. You wish he had rode it for four or four seconds. It's a great point. It's a great point. A little bit and then go straight down.

But it would make such a better ending to me to have him like he gets up, he's got it, and then like right as you think he's got it, then he comes crashing and like the symbolism would have been amazing. But yeah, he died. That would be, wouldn't that have been a good deleted scene? Yeah, it would be great. They didn't know about deleted. seeds back there. I like the trick that they did and I didn't even realize until I rewatch it yesterday,

but the movie begins with shots. It's alternating between Bodie and Johnny Utah. Johnny Utah is on a gun range doing a field test in the rain. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. Body surfing. Yeah, Bodie surfing. And then the movie ends with both of them in the same exact situation. Except Bodie surfed until he died and Johnny Utah was in the police. I mean, in the FBI until he wasn't. It's just a neat, like, we're paying attention for the whole movie. How dare you say it's a bad movie? Funt Titus.

Oh, my God. He walked it back. I got what his point was. Yeah, this was just, yeah, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was in Columbus. I see Johnny Utah jerseys around campus all the time. What number do they give him? A lot of people wear number nine. He's nine.

He's nine in the movie, they say. Yeah, because, yeah, they do right. They did. There are people that wear them. Because I'm trying to think like, all right, so the movie comes out in 91. The football landscape at that point, it was kind of the birth of the more athletic QB, Randall Cunningham was in there. And it was kind of like, oh, the idea of a pocket passer started in a shift.

And maybe he was one of those guys. that maybe it was like a second round pick if he didn't get hurt, something like that. I don't think he would have been like a John Elway, Andrew Luck, first pick of the draft type because everyone would recognize them. So at the time, so 1991, he would have been, not that this matters for you guys,

but I'm an Ohio State guy, he would have probably been the greatest Ohio State quarterback ever. To that point. To that point. I still think he might be. Like since. How do we know he wasn't? Well, he got to, he was a Ohio State quarterback

back again. He beat USC. In the replacements. I mean, Troy Smith won the Heisman in 06 or something. So he would probably have to be the best. In the replacements, I never understand why movies don't do this.

Why couldn't he have been Johnny Utah instead of Shane Falco? All they had to do was tweak the script a little bit and used to be an FBI agent. Why couldn't Bodie be Dalton and like something happened in Missouri? I love it in mixed movies. He had to move out. He slams, he lost his mind after. Yeah. Kelly Lynch left him.

Last but not least, why do we love bank robbery movies so much? Free money. Who doesn't love free money? You get free money. Every time they're robbing a bank, I am so all the way locked in. Like even Baby Driver. It's exciting to imagine yourself doing that. Because you understand the risk.

You're not hurting people. You're ripping off a building. You're taking down the man. You're taking down the man. The system, as Boe would say. All right, so let's go around the room. You're in the bank robbery. What role do you want in the bank robbery?

Do you want to be the leader? Do you want to be the number two guy? Do you want to be the one who's the intimidator? Do you want to be the driver or do you want to be the guard the door guy? I want to be the intimidator. Okay. I want to be the guy who comes in. Everybody's moving and I hit someone in the mouth with the butt of my gun.

Right. And then everyone else chills out. I want to be that guy. So who do you go after with the butt of your gun? Because it seems like the assistant bank manager is the one to go after. He's always the guy who's trying to not give the key. over it for a second. No, but this one,

he told that girl out quick. He was like, oh, whatever they say. Do whatever they say. Like, you dog. The town has a good part when Rebecca Hall, the lady that Affleck falls in love with

when she's trying to do the safe and her hands are shaking and Afleck's like, relax. But that's a nice little nuance when they actually feel bad for the employees a little bit. They kind of throw them a bone. Nobody in point break was really feeling bad for the employees for the most part.

So what would you rather be? be the getaway guy. I want to be outside. I want to be outside away from the guns. Like if shit starts to go down, I can get out faster. Just leave everybody. I would just leave. And I feel like I'm a good driver. I can drive. I left one job just in case it might change your answer. The guy in charge of the bag with the money, like the... That was going to be my answer. The pulling the money from the vault guy. That was exactly going to be my answer. I want to be the guy in charge of that because that's the guy that dictates the entire timeline. Like the 90 second frame. He's the guy that says, okay, that's enough. Let's go and I wouldn't trust anyone else on my team. I got to be, I'm smart enough to know, like, we got enough.

We got to get out of here. I would want to be the driver because I love driving fast that I would really enjoy. Let's get out of here. Like the whole thing. I have the right car. I have the other car ready that we could switch cars once we got to the location. Do that thing? Everybody hops out gets in the other car.

Do you get like the traffic violations added to your record, like if you get caught? The bank thing? I think they just constantly on the bank bank. Like, are you like reckless driving plus? Like, did you get the attack on? But all of that, you catching all of those. What do you think is the best bank robbery scene of all time? Oh, wow.

It's heat, the shootout. The heat, the, the bank robbery that goes bad in heat, that leads to the shootout. It's great. I think that's the best as well. It's incredible. It's my favorite Michael Man movie scene. Everything about it, like the audio of it. Chris and I talked about it when did the heat rewatchable.

It was just like, that sound, when you saw that movie, that scene in the theater, it felt like the people were shooting in the theater at the people in the theater. You're just like, oh my God, this is, it was terrifying. That's a very good one. I'm trying to talk myself into the one from the beginning of Dark Night

with the Joker. That's a good one, actually. It's a very subtle. That's a really good one. And they're just taking turns killing each other. The guys aren't until the very end. Then it's like, ta-da.

Yeah. Here I am. Yeah. And then I always love a good escape plan. And he just pulls out into the other buses like perfectly time. and he's invisible. I was going to say,

just listening to us talk. Like, it's obvious what the appeal is. It's like, you think you're so, why we love bank robbery movies is because we all think we're so smart and it just like plays.

I don't think women like bank robbery movies. It's not even for the action. I just think like there's something about like a man's brain that's like, I am a genius. I can outsmart everybody. It's a rational. I could outsmart everybody.

And if push comes to shove and I'm not outsmarted him, I can just use the butt of my gun and hit him in the face because I'm also really tough. I would disagree with that one. I would disagree with that one. I would disagree.

mostly because I know Laramie, my wife is super into. Your wife says, she's in the number. She would be the one on the counter, like yelling out all the orders. It's like she's in charge of that situation. She's all, she loves the bank robbery movie. So I think I just really is. Which were your, your three kids? What roles would they be?

Who's, who are you, who are you trusting to get all the money out of the vote? Okay. I'm putting, I'm putting, um, boy A with the afro. He's my getaway. driver. Yeah. Because he is just the most naturally gifted at controlling his body. Yeah.

I'm putting the boy B. He's my enforcer because he don't give a fuck about anybody else but himself. Yeah. And the baby, that's just a... They're the guard in the door. That's the money guy. I would have... My son could play any role I needed him to and he's a lunatic.

My daughter would not go. She'd feel bad. She just wouldn't go. She'd try to talk everybody out of it. She would be, she would watch the bank robbery scenes and worry about the piece. She's one of those people. Not the kind of person we want on the revogicality. We're talking about bank robbers.

Last question. We always ended with this. Who won the movie? This time there's only two choices. Keanu Reeves, Patrick Swayze. Boaty. It's got to be Bodie. Bode.

100% Bodie. He put his fingerprints on everybody else in the movie. Yeah. You tell him go. Are you asking, are you asking the character the one or the actor the one? No, actor. Swayzy, still. Yeah, still Swayzy.

Still probably Swayzy. Yeah. Yeah. But Utah letting him go at the end after you just were responsible for the death of 12 people. You gotta go down! And he's like, no, I want to go down. Chase them across the world. He's like, all right, you can ride this last way, fine.

Modi. He's responsible for 20 deaths and billions of damage. I forgot to mention in the surfing scene, Catherine Bigelow, director, said in some sort of interview she gave that he did die at the end. I don't know why she gave us that info. Why just spoil that movie, Captain? Shout out, I think,

I think Swayze won the movie at all as well. And you could also make the case, Swayzee during the magical Miami Heat run that he had there. He won one roadhouse, like as much as you, one person can win a movie. I think he won Ghosts going away. Definitely.

Absolutely one ghost. I think he won Dirty Dancing. I think he won Youngblood with Rob Lowe. I think he won Ghosts, I think Swayze was just putting up wins year after year. What's a movie he was in where he didn't win? The Outsiders. Matt Dillon wins the outsiders.

That's not bad. That movie is like a blueprint of the entire 80s. It's on Sundance every once in a while. I was watching. It's stunning. It's stunning. It's stunning. It's stunning.

Amela Westabez, Diane Lane, who's about to become the most beautiful actress. She's like 15 in it. It's kind of incredible. Like every actor who's a very bad movie. Ralph Machio, everyone is in this movie. It's a kid from E.T. C. Thomas Howell? It's amazing. Yeah, it's pretty loaded. Well, perfect. That's always.

Watch, watch Ily Tiger. That's my, that's the one thing I want you guys to take away from us. Everybody watch Eye the Tiger. You watch Set It Off. Set it off. Set it off. Set it off. All-Female bank robbery movie. Oh, yeah. Fantastic. Set off is good. That's a good one. We forgot to mention that.

Queen Latifah is unbelievable in that movie, as is Jada Pink. Queen Latifah is one of my favorite action. says that nobody thinks, nobody would ever say that she's a good actress, but she actually is. She's really... She's been good in lots of movies. And good in a bunch of different ways.

Especially set it off. Titus. Listen, I wasn't being misogynistic. It's women. If anything, I was complimenting women, that they're not, like, stupid

and thinking that they could rob a bag. Yeah, I took that as an insult to men. It's an insult to men. And we're just like, yeah, we could do this. I'm a genius. I'm a genius and I'm tough. Put that out. Would you use...

What kind of machine gun would you use just like curiosity? Oh, that's a question. Whichever one holds the most bullets Because I'm a terrible aim I can't do the You're spraying it around I need a spray I want an AK 47

First of all because of You know like Sam Jackson has that line And Jackie Brown Where he's AK 47 When you absolutely have to kill Every motherfucker in the room I want the and plus it looks scary You walk in with the AK

That's like an inside man When he's asking what kind of gun on us AK 47 What about a mask I get to pick my own or I have to pick Pick your own But the whole crew has to agree on it All right

I don't want to go first You go first Oh my God I'm gonna think of a good one Because let me point out a couple things About the president's mask And the nuns mask A little sweaty

You're running around It's containing all the heat It's rubber Like if you've ever worn a Halloween mask It's a great idea For like three minutes And then it's the worst idea You've ever had

You know what? Hockey mask That's what I was thinking Like you go with the reinforced Jason board hockey mask. Yeah. And I don't know what you do about your hair.

Maybe you put your hair in like a panty hose hair net or something so people don't know what your hair looks like. What would you do, Titus? I was thinking I was going to go with the theme thing. I was thinking I would just be the dream team. That would be awesome to just like have. Oh, that's amazing. Do they have dream team masks?

I have everyone wear dream team jerseys. That's like a great idea. Yeah, what a guy gets to play George? That's a great idea. Would you, if they had not done the point, Bri. I forgot to ask this. the unanswerable questions. If they had not done the point break remake movie and instead Netflix had announced,

we have a new series called Point Break coming out about bank robbing surfers and an FBI agent that infiltrates them. And it's going to be at least one season in 10 episodes. That was a better outcome for this, right? Way better. You can stretch that out. Yeah. You can stretch that out for sure.

I want to go into this world. I want like the surfing episode. You get like the Lori Petty episode. You get the Swayze and his buddy episode. We get a little backstory in the football. I want to see the gang in Thailand. I want to see them in Australia. I want to see them taking their money and like partying around the globe.

In Goa, India, like surfing all around the world. Enjoy your money. Do you think Swayze got a bigger cut than everybody or is he magnanimous about it? They definitely, he was very democratic. Yeah, I think he was. They're all getting the same. Because if LeBron was a bank robber, I feel like he would take 35%. And the rest of the other five guys split the 65, but LeBron gets 35.

That's how it goes. Anyway, guys, Mark Titus, Jason Concepcion, and Shays Serrano, we should mention Talk the Thrones this weekend, Sunday night. If you love Game of Thrones, if you've enjoyed Jason's work on the rewatchables, you can listen to or watch Talk the Thrones on Twitter at Ringer right after the last episode. Hopefully they don't kick the pooch like they did in this last episode. We'll see, I guess. Thanks, fellas.

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