The Rewatchables - ‘Poltergeist’ With Bill Simmons and Van Lathan

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

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where you can find higher learning with Van Lathen. Absolutely. Find the ringerverse. Of course. Van Lathen. What are we ringerversing about these days? We're ringerversing about Agatha all along. Oh, Catherine Hodge.

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Penguin. You like the penguin. Love the penguin. Love the penguin. If you like the Sopranos, boy, you'll love the penguin. It's officially scary month here in the rewatchables. You know what that means?

You son of a bitch! You left the bodies and you only moved the headstones! Poultergeist is next. Don't adjust the television set. Your reception's fine. But in their new suburban home, the Freelian family has tuned into something beyond our world. Poltergeist.

You'll never look at your television set the same way again. What? Poltergeist, a Stephen Spielberg production rated PG. Now playing at a theater near you, check newspapers. All right, Van Lathen is here. Van, I asked you to pick a horror movie for a scary month. You sent me a very strange text back with a bunch of different choices,

including every vampire movie ever made. Yeah. But then you said ultimately, I want to do Poltergeist. Poltergeist, yeah. Why? Takes up a lot of space. Yeah. A big movie in terms of the movie itself.

but also the lore around the movie. Oh, yeah. Everything surrounding the movie. It just took up a lot of cultural space in the 80s. A lot to get to with this one. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to start here. Old school, non-murder spree horror movies from 1978 to 1982,

the specific time where we get Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Amityville Horror, Alien, Altered States, The Shining, the Thing, Poultergeist, The Entity, and All the Stephen King. movies. Yeah. All right. So what does that mean? Something about this era in those movies where it's like the stuff that's inside

you that you're afraid of the being in your house and being like, what's wrong with dad? Yeah. Being in Antarctica and being like, why is everybody starting to act weird around here? Being stuck at the overlook hotel. Like, man, Jack's acting fucking strange lately. What's going on with him? Or in this situation, Poltergeist.

I mean, why does our daughter keep talking to the TV? What's happening here? And it's just, this is this era of that. The two movies that, for me, in the 80s that, like I said, took up the most space were this one and Nightmare, right? Nightmare won. Now, Nightmare had a whole franchise. Freddie Krueger became, like, the biggest villain in the history of horror movies. But they were both two movies that, like, were about things that were sort of undeniable.

Like, Freddie, you could not not go to sleep. It was just a terrifying concept to me as a kid. Yeah. You fall asleep and he's there. You have to sleep, right? With this one, this was one that like the whole family would get together on. And it would make you look behind the refrigerator under the bed, what's happening. It just felt like it was really about a family being tormented and there was something inescapable about the horror.

You don't know what your house is building. built on top of. You don't know who's coming to take your children away. And there were so many different parts of it that are just iconic, iconic. And we would talk about them like during the 80s and into the 90s. Also, we didn't have the reservoir of movies that were made about this stuff. Yeah, it kind of like a girl. That really jumped out to me with watching the first half-hour poltergeist again,

where this family doesn't have a history of like, I just watched The Conjuring last week. And I think this might mean this. They're just like, whoa, what's going? going on here. The fucking chair moved 50 feet. That's weird. She's excited at it. Yeah, she's like, look how cool this is. Right. The chair, watch, let's put our daughter and we're going to put a Rams helmet on her and she's just going to go flying forward. Isn't this neat? Like, she's not, she doesn't have the reservoir of evil from movies like this. Right, because she doesn't know yet.

Doesn't know. She's completely ambivalous to the fact that these ghosts, these are not the fun ghosts. Right. Right. They're in the, we're fucking with your stage. Right. It's about to get dark. Oh my. God, the chairs are stacked up. How awesome is that? Not awesome at all. It's really a bad sign. But there's no Vera Farminga or Patrick Wilson there for her to be able to draw from. Well, nightmare is a good example, too, because that's another one where the fundamental fears we have are, is there someone in my house? I can't fall asleep because that thing in the window scares me. I'm scared because I've woken up the last two nights at 3.15 and now I'm scared that I'm going to wake up again at 3.15. I don't know what that means.

I'm scared someone's under my bed. I'm scared someone's in my closet. Like, these are all fundamental stuff. All of these movies from this era, like just, we're like, we're going to hit this heart. Yeah. And this is the ultimate one. Like, you're watching this going,

just take the clown out of the little boys' room. The clown's scary. Just put it in the fucking attic. Hey, the tree, you can see it through the window. Just close the curtains. It's funny when I was watching a movie back now, there's all kinds of different motifs of basically kind of evil in the room.

Oh, yeah. There are Darth Vader posters everywhere sleeping under Darth Vader. It's evil Sith wizard, right? There's the tree outside. There's the clown. There's a feeling of safety that they have there. But when you look around it,

there's a lot of scary stuff in there. Who the fuck puts a... I mean, this is like, should be a nitpicks, but who has a clown in a chair facing your little kid who's like nine? Like, if I did that to my kids, they'd probably Menendez brothers me. Jesus. Is that a verb yet?

Let me ask you this. What era? Because I had this in the question for you. What era did the clown become a figure of fear? Is this post, I think, or has this always been? This is always. But remember, Bozo was like a huge. Bozo was like a huge deal.

You used to watch Bozo. I know. But clown, who wasn't afraid of clowns? Yeah. What grown man is like, I'm dressed as a clown again this week? I'm like, oh my God, that guy's got bodies in his basement. John Wayne Gasey. Yeah, that's what changed the clown motif.

I changed the clown motif right there, John Wayne Gasey. Also, like, you know, let's say my son was seven and you're like, oh, I'm going to get Ben a birthday gift. And you're like, I got him this really creepy clown putting his room. Yeah, he's just going to stare at you as you sleep. Something else about the 80s themselves. I was thinking about this movie. there was a supernatural aura to the decade. Yeah.

And it's difficult for me to like articulate now. But remember it was a highly religious decade. The religious right was everywhere. Everyone was talking about things that you couldn't see, couldn't touch, couldn't grab. And it did seem like some of the horror movies in the 80s were kind of like a reaction to that idea. Yeah, totally. Yeah, like a reaction. Yeah, like a reaction.

Even this movie is like litigating spirits and malevolent spirits. and like what exists after death? What is it? It's not just, it's coming for the children. The beast. The beast, right? Well, think about, so invasion of the body snatchers, that's about, that's more science fictiony,

but it's like we can all be replaced, but it's just spooky. And basically, if you fall asleep, you're in trouble, right? Amdiville horror is something bad happened in this house. It actually might be coming from the basement. And these people are too stupid to realize it. the dad's starting to lose his mind. And it's just getting creepier and creepier.

But that was like one of the first get the fuck out of the house movies, right? And now we've been making those for 50 years. Then you go into alien and altered states, which is more of the, it's kind of the alternate, you know, subconscious or in aliens case, we're just in outer space and just... We can't go anywhere. Humans can't control this. Right.

Like, we're completely out of control. There's this force. The thing is like that, too. Perfect killing machine. Yeah. Yeah. The entity is an interesting one. And it's in this poltergeist world. And it's Barbara Hershey.

I don't know if you've seen this movie, but it's fucking nuts. Right. And I don't know how they filmed it in 1982, but she's basically getting raped by this evil spirit over and over again. And can't fight it, can't get out of the house. The thing won't let her leave the house. That's what you don't have to worry about a remake for. It's not a comedy.

Yeah, it's definitely. You don't have to worry about that one. Yeah, it's just definitely don't want to watch that. I was not showing up Netflix. Your girlfriend and her parents. Like, definitely not. But it's a fucked up movie. It's kind of movie that would.

I don't even think it would get made in any form now. Not even like on Shutter. And then all the Stephen King movies. But then Nightmare, I think, was the shift. Where Nightmare is like, how can we take all this stuff that worked? Let's go a little pop culture with it. Let's go a little more mainstream with it. Let's make this a little more 80s.

And then we're off in that direction. But Nightmare is a shift to me. And then Nightmare also has like this. this weird morality to it. Yeah. To where, you know, Kruger was an asshole, son of a bitch,

but then he was murdered by all of those people. So you start to like, and even in this one, these horror movies in these decades, they start to like play with, like, who really is at fault and who really the victims are.

You can make an argument that in this horror movie, that the ghosts are actually the victims. Yeah. They were cooling, right? They weren't doing anything. And then someone came, came along and disturbed their eternal rest.

They just want to chill. They just want to chill. Yeah. They just want to chill. Yeah. They just want to chill. We've been here. And now you guys are doing this.

And so they're saying, get the hell out of here. And they pulled the house under at the end. So I talked about dipping in your deepest fears. I said some of this already. But is there something under my bed? Is there something wrong with our house? Why do I keep waking up at the same time? What's up with this clown in my bedroom?

Why is everyone acting so strangely? around me. What happens if the devil is just like, I've now targeted you and I'm coming after you? Right. How do I get out of this completely insane, possibly supernatural situation and why is my husband starting to unravel? Yeah. What other themes are like this that you have?

We talked about it a little bit with invasion of a bi-snatchers. Is this person really this person? Right. All they live. John Calpenter. Yeah. Situation like I got to put the glasses on. to see that you really have a fucked up face

and you're working with the aliens. Am I really myself? Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, like, there are a couple of movies later on that play with the actual, am I a demon? Am I turning into something? Did I do all of this stuff? And then just like the classics,

is there a werewolf that lives in my block? Fright Night, is there a vampire that lives next door to me? Yeah. Like, just the classics like that. The Fright Night remake is, overhated to me with Colin Farrell. But it does a great job of saying, hey, if there's an all-powerful,

like, nocturnal beast living next door, and they want to hang out with you, like, what can you do about it? Like, nothing. I should have mentioned American Werewolf in London in that. It's definitely in that run for sure. Definitely in there.

Definitely in that run for sure. What's happening to me? Yeah, something shifts after this. I think out of all of these, I still think there's something wrong with my house is the best gimmick of all the gimmicks. Well, because... Because the new house is hope. It's happy.

You establish roots. You wanted to go well. And you don't know why it's not going well. And it's something that you would hold on to, even if something was a little bit off-culture. Right. You're going glass half full as much as you possibly can. This dude is walking around and do a good job of this in the movie. He's selling people on other houses. Like, welcome to phase four.

Hey, in town and country, this guy put a goddamn jacuzzi-a-coucou. And this is a great place to live, except it's not. It's not a great place to live. You need to get away from this place. But not only are you rooted there, you want other people to come moving there because he's like the greatest house salesman of all time. So he believes in what he's doing. Can we talk about the summer of Steve Spielberg?

Oh, yeah. And this is a big backstory to how this movie gets made. This is one of the best. Yeah. He made this movie. There's so much good research with this. I almost couldn't believe it. It was a smorgasbork.

It was all I was doing last night after watching this was like, oh, my God, I forgot this. Oh, I forgot that. But Spielberg has Raiders in 81 massive hit, directing E.T. and producing this movie, and they end up coming out a week apart in 1982,

and he officially becomes the guy. And that's it. E.T. is the biggest movie of the year, and Poltergeist is the biggest horror movie of the year. We're off. It's almost like he's making the decision to dominate every year. potential genre that he could.

Right. This was his only real horror movie, and he produced that he didn't direct it, but as you point out, he co-wrote it was his idea. He had an idea called Nights Guys, which was supposed to be a sequel to Close Encounters. They wouldn't let him direct it

because he had this ET contractual stuff, so he found Tobhooper. It's Tobro, right? It's not Toby. I don't know. T-O-B-E. I never got an answer whether there's toad or Toby. Probably Toby, right?

I don't know. It's with an E, though. whatever. He found Hooper. Where's Phenasy? Fantasy would know somehow. But they collaborated, and then there's just a lot of stuff about that Spielberg actually

kind of direct this movie. And when you watch it, it feels like a Spielberg movie. There's a lot of like Spielberg shots and touches and the zoom in, close-ups or the zoom out or the big wide shots of the suburban neighborhood. I don't know. If you told me Spielberg actually directed it, I'd be like, I believe that.

I mean, the stories get to the fact that this movie is coming along at a point to where Spielberg is so hot that everything that he's connected with, everyone wants to see it. Yeah. And at a certain point, he's just not happy with what he's seen from the movie. So he just kind of like takes it over. And then, but if you watch it thinking that, you can see his DNA in the movie. The movie ends. Which I did last thing.

And the first thing that it says is a Stephen Spielberg production. That's the first thing that it says. So it got so dicey that the DGA got involved And they had to like pay Hooper a fine Spielberg had some quote in a In a magazine piece about or a newspaper piece Tobie Tobe, isn't a take charge sort of guy

If a question was asked if an answer wasn't immediately forthcoming I jump in and say what we could do He would not agree with and that became a possible of collaboration And all of a sudden the buzz started Spielberg actually directed it So he actually wrote an overall open letter in the Hollywood Reporter the week it came out to Hooper, basically

saying it was amazing to work with you. But then as the years pass, all these people pop up. Frank Marshall, who's had an amazing career, who's a co-producer, and he was like, the creative force of the movie of Stephen. Hooper was the director on the set every day. Stephen did design for every storyboard. It was on the set every day, except for three days.

And then Zelda Rubinstein, who played Tangina. It's a Steven Spielberg film. She said, Stephen directed all six days. She was on the set. It's a Stephen, so she just fucking came out with it. Yeah, she's like, fuck it. She's like one of those old wrestlers. It's got children interacting with supernatural and otherworldly forces,

something that we've seen, Spielberg movies before. It's got family. It looks like they live down the street from the ET people. It looks like the same world. It would be like a street over. Yeah, it's got, it's the same world. It's really a supernatural fable, like, in a way. And there's a morality in it in a way.

And also with this film, most of these family horror type of movies, their job is to scare you. So there's a hopelessness in there. Yeah. This movie is continuously hopeful as you're calling to your child who is there and you're using the personalities of the parents to try to get the kid to come to the light or not go to the light. a superhero comes in at the end, a little pint size, clairvoyant, medium, all that.

It's a very Spielberg-ean type of movie when you look at it like that. My wife and I were watching a lot. My wife loves this movie. We were watching last night when we were talking about when it gets to the portal, which one of us would be the one that went in?

That's so interesting. And we both immediately agreed it was my wife, not me. Yeah. I was like, you'd do a better job. She's like, I would. Plus it kind of symbolizes our relationship where I always have to do the tough.

stuff. Damn. You just kind of, I was like, I can't, I don't have a comeback. I would be holding the rope going, get in there, honey.

Bill, Bill, why don't you have a comeback? What if you'd have said to her, but yeah, I pay for the rope? Well, I mean,

I didn't want to have to go there. But it was like, she's like, when we take the dogs for a walk, I pick up the poop. And I was like, you're right.

That's exactly the same as the portal to hell to save our daughter. I got to be honest with you. This was rough for Craig T. Nelson's character in this book. He had a tough one. He had some dad decisions I disagreed with, which we'll be diving into in the podcast.

Yeah. So Oscar nominations, not a lot. They lost the ET for visual effects, sound effects, and weirdly best score, which I have some thoughts on later, but this did not get nominated for Best Picture or anything like that. One huge thing we should talk about with this. so no major stars, right? Joe Beth Williams and Craig T. Nelson is the two stars. But both really good careers, and this catches them at the perfect time.

So Joe Beth Williams was on this show called Jabberwocky, which was in Boston. They showed in Boston. I don't know if it was everywhere. It was a kid show. Then she was naked and Kramer versus Kramer. Two-episode Arkham White Shadow, and she was in Stir Crazy. Well, she was the naked girl on Kramer versus Kramer. She's the one that the little boy is going to pee in.

I'm aware. And then she's in Stir Crazy. She's female lead. And then she just goes on to become a very steady force in the town. Right. So she did Big Chill. Yeah. She did a movie called Adam about a missing kid that was like the biggest TV movie

of the entire 80s. 38 million people. The day after, which was the biggest TV movie of all time. She's starting that. Nuclear war joint. She was in teachers. She turned down Murphy Brown in 1988. They gave it to Candace Bergen.

Like, she was a big star. And she's really good in this movie. Right. She is actually the driving force. Yeah, she's fucking awesome this movie. And then Craig T. Nelson, who was kind of that guy who's an injustice for all-star crazy, Preb, Benjamin, does this. All the right moves.

All the right moves. Steph Georgievich is a football coach. Great part. Later on becomes coach. Right. Killingfields, bad guy in Action Jackson. A great fucking villain in Action Jackson. We'll be doing that on rewatchables at some point.

I actually think he didn't lean into villainy and not. because he comes back in the... Turner and Houch. Turner and Hooch? Bad guy. Right, bad guy. Devils advocate a little sleazy. So maybe I'm wrong.

No, he did. He villained it up. He did coach. Yeah. Villained it up. And then has this whole 2000s. He stars in the district. He's my name is Earl.

And then he's the dad in parenthood for like 100 plus episodes. So he had ended up with a five decade career. And he's Mr. Incredible. Yes. Yeah. And incredible. Just incredible. Just incredible.

Like a recognizable face. One of those guys that when you saw, see him or something, you know it's probably going to be good. Yeah. So they nailed the actors and then the biggest piece of this movie that we had not discussed yet, we're going to do it right after a break because we're going to talk about the Polterkeyes curse.

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Bada-Bap-Bap-Bah. Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. All right, Van, the poltergeist curse. So both of the daughters in this movie are dead within a couple years for different reasons. Dominic Dunn.

that's the same year when he comes out yeah Dominique Dunn who's the daughter of Dominic Dunn gets killed by her boyfriend in a case that really starts a whole bunch of domestic violence stuff in the 80s and 90s leads to Dominic Dunn's reporting and about the OJ trial and the Menendez brothers all this stuff awful story and then Heather O'Rourke the little girl

she's filming Polter Guys 3 and dies of a bowel obstruction septic shock like really strange and she was only 12 there's another guy in this movie Lou Perriman killed with an axe by a crazy intruder. And then there was another one in the second movie who died. And everybody has stories from all the movies about just weird shit going on. And this is considered probably to be the most cursed movie of all the movies,

including there's a Shutter series that's excellent called Curse Movies. And this is one of the ones they did in season one. This was a very 80s thing. I'm sure it exists in other decades. too with other movies too. But one thing that the internet has actually done in my opinion

is that it's depowered the urban legend and given rise to the conspiracy theory. The urban legend doesn't exist as much as you used to anymore. I miss the urban legend. Like Mikey from Pop Rocks.

Mikey ate the Pop Rocks and died, whatever that was. The whole thing, like all of them, right? The urban legend to where people talk about but you can't really investigate it that much because there's not as much

at your fingertips to like look into things. This was one of the biggest cinematic urban legends, conspiracies, myths, whatever, of the 80s. And it was weird. Not even positive, it's a myth. I'm not saying, yeah, I'm just saying it's like, well, I don't know that it's, I mean, what would you describe as a myth?

It's like, do you think that there's actually a curse over the film that? There's just an incredible amount of weird, Like an inordinate amount of weird shit that happened to the people who made this movie as they were making the movie and after. Because there was other stuff like Joe Beth Williams said she's making the movie and she would come home. And the pictures on the wall of her house would be crooked again. And they weren't crooked before. See, part of this, though, I used to think part of this.

Was like a selling of the movie? Yeah. But there was a point to where this stuff would be talked about. And like where I'm from, people would be like, all right, that's what you do. playing with spirits. Right. Be careful. Be careful playing with spirits.

Like calling up all in those spirits and spirits will follow you out at TV and follow you home. And then I was wondering about this as we were talking about as I knew, knowing that we were going to talk about, should I say, if some of the stuff that they said was happening and to be honest with you, even some of the unfortunate things that happened, if that didn't become a part of the marketing of the film, like this is actually real and these are. But the film was out. before I think some of this stuff happened.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because there's some other stuff. Like, I mean, this is stupid, but Zelda Rubinstein said she had a vision of her dog that came to her and said goodbye and then five hours later got a call that her dog was dead. She was like, that was weird. Robbie, the little kid, has a poster in his room for Super Bowl 22, which does not take place for six more years. In the year Super Bowl 22 happened, the little girl died. right around there. That's weird.

Robbie got strangled by the clown and they fucked it up and the clown kind of malfunctioned and actually started strangling him and they realized that he was turning purple. I'm getting uncomfortable. And they fix that. It's on the video monitor.

Wait a minute. I'm actually kind of like as we run through this, I'm starting to feel a little weird. This is the weirdest one though. Carol Ambikins communicating with the afterlife and the channel on the TV's channel 12, and she died when she was 12.

Yeah, see. It's just like, it's just creepy. It makes me feel like a little, little theory. And then she actually died during the filming of Polter Guys 3. And once again, it is, there's no way to talk about the movie and not talk about it, is a part of the story of the movie. Like, there were specials on TV based around it.

There were segments of stuff that talked about it. Lots of shows. Multiple shows. Multiple stuff. Eat true Hollywood stories, all kinds of stuff. whole nine just talking about the polter guy story, particularly around Dominic Dunn and the younger girl

that passed away. They would talk about her all the time. You know, as you know, I'm always, I have an open mind with all this stuff. I think when you go into the conspiracy corners and you really start reading about it, people are pretty passionate about it. It reminds me of The Shining. There's a great documentary about The Shining called Room 237. Did you ever say it?

No. I think it's on Pluto. it's all these people what they see from the shining and they all see different things right some people some people see it as like this is when when we took we took america from the native americans that's what it's about some people think it's about when we went to the moon but we actually didn't because stanley kubrick filmed a fake moon landing and that's what it's about and he just hits all these different crazy theories and these people like genuinely believe them right they're like here's what this means here's why they did this and it's all right there's all these different crazy theories and it's

all about what they want to see out of it. And unfortunately, I think that happened to poltergeist. I've never asked you this before. If there's one conspiracy theory slash urban legend slash wacky deal that Bill Simmons believes either is true or could be true, what is it? First of all, thank you for asking because there's a bunch of them. Okay. I want to know.

Should I go somebody that's in the news? Yeah. I think Sean Combs killed Biggie. Wow. Okay. You're not the only person. That's a really good conspiracy theory that I think I subscribe to it because it goes back to the case of who had the most to gain. And if you look at it, it's like he actually had the most to gain because he had the whole library.

He had the artist. He didn't leave. He still had the stuff. He was able to vault himself up in the void. And it's like, oh, that actually makes sense. But like Big was his biggest. And now we know he might be a sociopath. Right.

It seems like pretty decent evidence that something's wrong with the guy. Why do you say the most again when Big was his meal ticket, a lot of people would say at that point? He rode the meal ticket. He cashed it in and then vaulted himself up from the meal ticket. When did you first have that thought that you think? Oh, in the 90s. I always thought. I was always like, this is suspicious.

This worked out too perfectly for this guy. Yeah. Because some people think he killed Tupac and I actually don't think he did. That was a little bit of other shit. That's too easy. Look at that. DJflad.com.

But the JFK stuff is like, the JFC stuff is the easiest for me. It's like clearly they did it and they changed the autopsy. Like there's just no question. Who is this? There's multiple shooters. Who is the they?

They absolutely. Who is the they? They, the doctor. Did you see the Parkland one? The Parkland doctors? I don't think that there was a lone shooter, but my question. They changed the autopsy.

They, like, sewed up his head and did all kinds of crazy shit. Who is the they? Well, it's probably CIA. Okay. Or the mob. With the mob. With the CIA with the mob. Yeah.

Oh, okay. I get it. Those are two good ones. Those are two good ones. I believe in Sasquatch. Interesting. Yep. What's your evidence?

Well, a lot of it comes from Harry and the Hendersons. But, like, I believe, I believe in Sasquatch. I'm the type of person. that if number one, I think it could be true, number one, because it's an animal, right, that would have essentially gone extinct, but it's a missing link in the evolutionary chain and it would know how to be away from people. Maybe it's nocturnal, whatever, whatever. The evidence is that I think it could be real. Sasquatch, locknest, those are my ones. It would make sense there's like one giant crazy something out there.

Yeah, that we don't know. And maybe this, Sasquash is nomadic and he travels all around. Maybe we're actually all seeing the same Sasquatch, which is why we don't see him that much. Or maybe it's only like six Sasquatches out there. Have you ever done a deep dive on the super duper way deep in the ocean weird shit going on down there? Yeah, but that's real. We see that, though.

Yeah. Like, there's like, I don't know what's going on down there. It's like all kinds of different animals and stuff. We see that. Yeah. We know they're down there. I want a conspiracy theory that I think as I get older and I really think about it. And I think, I just think Jordan got suspended.

I'm back. I'm back on that one. There's a clip of his press conference. And he says, if Mr. Stern lets me back in the league, like, it's just like under his breath. There's just a lot of it. I just, and we'll never know. Right.

We'll never know and all the excuses on the flip side of it. But I just, it doesn't add up to me that all we talk about is how crazy competitive this guy was. And at the height of his powers, he's just like, I'm good. I'm going to play a sport I'm not good at. It doesn't make sense. I get it. I get it.

I get it. He's so competitive, though. He's just like, I'm good. I won three titles in a row. I've done it. We'll get back to the movie. The only thing I'll say about the Jordan thing is if they were going to suspend him, if they were going to do two years no Jordan.

It's two people. Only two people would know, him and Stern. Okay, only two people would know him and Stern. If Stern was going to suspend him, do two years without Michael Jordan. That's such a gamble. He did suspend him is my conspiracy. But what I'm saying is like, we can either say I suspended you or you can come up with a story why you're going to take a year and a half off. But it's going to be one of those two choices I'll let you choose.

But think about all what David Stern would have to do to cover for the conspiracy. It seems like he wouldn't do that and hold Michael accountable at the same time. It seemed like either you would actually do it and embarrass Mike, but if you were not going to embarrass him, then covering it up for him, it didn't seem like it would make that much of a deal to him. But if you give him Mike the choice, I don't know what happened.

I'm just saying it's a really good one. I think there's a lot of meat on the bone, man. Yeah, I mean... Just look at all the other super crazy competitive athletes we've had over the course of mankind. And this is the one who's like, yeah, I'm good. Okay. I'll take 18 months off.

Those are the top ones. We didn't get too crazy. We didn't do Asian A. or that stuff like that. We didn't do the Malaysia flight. Oh, I don't want to talk about that. Let's get back to Poltergeus. You got to watch Room 237 though.

I will. All right. 10.7 million dollar budget for Poltergeist made $12.21.7 million. That's a hit, baby. 12-2-bolted's money. Eighth biggest movie in 82. Only horror movie in the top 35 that year. Horror movies were not like big moneymakers back.

It really wasn't until the mid-80s that they became. I think this was one of the three. It feels like the golden age of the horror movie, though. It feels like Freddie, Jason, Pennhead. Yeah, that's a little later. Yeah. And Roger Ebert, three stars.

An effective thriller, not so much because the special effects, but as because Hooper and Spielberg have tried to see this movie strange events through the eyes of the family members instead of just standing back and letting the special effects overwhelm the cast along with the audience.

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I'm just handing out the Brandy Booth Award for best performance by a pet right now to that golden retriever whose name was Eibuz Aw great job just going in everybody's room he's like oh there's some potato chips I think I'll eat those He brings it throughout the entire movie Yeah great job by him and then we get

to see the little girl staring at a TV which we knew was coming because saw the trailer This movie had a good trailer, by the way. Carol Ann's second TV night when she wakes up, but they're asleep in the bed, which they set up really nicely. It's like, all right, good night.

And then they get scared. All of a sudden, the next shot they're in the bed. But then everyone's asleep, and she goes toward the TV again, and that smoky hand kind of comes out. This is the there here situation? Yeah.

The there here used to scare the shit out of me back in the day, man. And became the famous line of the movie. Yeah, the there here was like, It made snow on your TV scary for a while. Because TVs don't, you don't get snow anymore. That's gone. I had that in one stage the worst. Snow on the TV.

I have that as well. Like, it doesn't happen anymore. I didn't even know people called it snow. Yeah. I thought it was just like static. Snow? That was the term people used? Yeah.

You're toxicly young. Yeah. I'm not even that young. But still annoying, though. Like, it was, it was, he's in the cable generation. The TV didn't go. static like that? What did it do?

It would wave up. What happened when there was no channel where you were? Would never happen. What happened? It was just TV 24-7. Yeah, I actually don't even have a memory of what you're describing. When there was no channel, when there was no channel on it. But this is, this is antenna and I cable.

Yeah. Once we move from antennas, snow's gone. Okay. That's what happened. Damn. I know it's static. I mean, like, I remember seeing static on the TV. For various reasons.

I just didn't know it was called snow. Oh, okay, cool. They're here. They're here. I have kitchen chairs on the table, that whole scene. Oh, that's a great scene. Uh-uh. Because she's still entertained by what.

She's still not entertained. That scene is good because in the Spielbergian way, that's still, oh, my God, E.T. Oh, my God. They're close in counters of the third kind. Oh, my God. There's something amazing and unexplainable happening. Yeah.

The movie still has a little bit of innocence there before you know, like, what these guys are up to. I liked her in this movie She's great I was like that seems like a great Spouse and Life partner Who's like Just how cool the chairs

And like just like really upbeat at all times Until her kid's getting pulled into her portal And even when they do She still finds a way to have a little fun Yeah Just had it going Right Next scene

The tree takes the brother Yeah He's like Must have been a tornado That was no tornado And then Caroline's gone Yeah They gotta search for Carolin

And that whole scene is super scary. Yeah, when the tree comes in and gets the boy, because the boy feels something about the tree. Something's awful about the tree. There's something more to the tree. When the tree comes alive and grabs him, then you're like, oh, my God, he climbs the tree because he's like, what's up with this tree? He's like trying to get a feel for the tree, and you can't. By the way, the movie does a great job of setting up in their house almost everything that will come back to attack them later on. The two scariest scary movie things for when I was a kid were that tree,

and Amityville Horror waking up at 3.15 every day and knowing that it was going to turn to 315 and that something bad had happened and just being like, oh, my God, it's going to be 3.50. I remember being a kid after I saw that movie, and it would be like, I'd wake up and it was like 259. I'd be like, oh, my God.

It's almost 315. The scariest thing for me in a movie was The Nightmare on Elm Street, Quick Sleep, which was when a character is trying not to fall sleep and all of a sudden they go like this and they're awake and you're like oh my god they didn't fall asleep only they fucking are asleep yeah they don't realize and they don't realize that they're asleep and they look at their teacher and the and the teacher's like okay now on the next chapter open up your books there's time to fucking die and i'm like oh my god you know when when that happens

and somebody becomes like freddie yeah like that used to skis scare the shit out of me. That goes back to what we're talking about. The fundamental things we're afraid of is like if I had to stay awake, but I was super tired, could I stay awake? Right. If I'm lying in bed and I think somebody's under my bed,

should I check it or should I just lie here? Because if I look under, maybe there is somebody under my bed. Right. All that shit. That's the stuff as an only child who saw too many horror movies. That's the stuff I thought about. Yeah. Maybe that's why I'm so weird.

Could be. My dad took me to see the shining. I was like 10. Like, what the fuck? It's like borderland child abuse. Mrs. Simmons, what you are, dog? We saw the shining. Father and son going to see the shining.

That's tough. Dr. Lesh's speech I just have as the rewatchable because she's kind of explaining the stuff like about the spirits. They resist going into that light. However hard the light wants them. They just hang around Watch TV Watch their friends grow up

Feeling unhapsed Feelings are bad They hurt Some people Just get lost On the way to the light And they need someone too A very important character

In this movie on a rewatch Maybe they weren't ready Maybe they hadn't lived fully yet But they lived a long, long time And they still wanted more life they resist going into the light. However hard the light wants them, they just hang around.

I actually do believe this might be a thing. Yeah. As you know, I believe in some of the stuff. But I could see people being trapped in waiting to be released to wherever they want to go and they're just kind of stuck here fucking with us. Yeah.

And they can't get to the next thing. Yeah, so it's like, I pushed over a water bottle today and scared that lady. That's like the highlight of their week. Once again, from the country, from a place where everybody has a ghost store, and they will get mad if you do not believe them. So they watch this stuff and they think this is just a happening that happened to some family. If it's happened to you in some form, you believe it from that point out.

Right. So, as I've told you, what's happened to me. Poltergeist fucks with the paranormal crew. we get ripping his face off steak and maggots guy we get headphones guy seeing weird shit i like when the the poltergeist is like let's let's raise it up a level richard lawson who was biance's father-in-law oh interesting i knew him as the white shadow teacher who has had PTSD all roads lead back to white shadow i know well that's a lot they had three white shadow people in this richard lawson was married to tina knolls they actually just got a divorce um

Maybe last year. He's been a lot of stuff, by the way. He's got a long IMDB. He's like one of those guys. Yep. He's coming up later. Her daughter, his daughter, Bianca Lawson, longtime actress as well.

Tangina's speech is the other key speech. I wouldn't have this as the most rewatchable, but she sets it up, does the whole about the thing about the soul's perpetual dream state, Carolyn, help them cross over. It's like, okay, I get it now. This is nice. And then she's like, there's one more thing.

a terrible presence is in there with her and she does that whole part to her it simply is another child to us it's the beast it's like oh shit the beast is here yeah I thought we were just fucking around with some light spirits I thought it was some ghosts that were up to hijinks

yeah we thought we were putting chairs on the table I mean we know that they're not quite we know that you know they but we thought maybe they were they had her in there because they're playing with her yeah but we didn't know it was the beast she actually gives the movie that definitely when she comes into it. And also, what an eccentric little actress to come in.

She looks like she would know some stuff about the other plane or dimension or whatever. Yeah, she's either perfectly cast or perfectly miscast. Right. I'm willing to talk it out later. Run to the light, baby. Shh. Tell her to go to the light. No!

They'll follow her. They've been following her for weeks. Not tell her. It's all right. You're telling you what I'm telling you. And death will be dealing with what is in between. Now tell her before it's too late. Run to the light, baby.

Carolyn gets saved. Go. This is when the couple says, like, you've never done this before. You're right, you go. And the mom. The mom's obviously going to be the one. The clown scene is the last one I have. Clown under the bed.

Mom climbing the wall. We're upside down. Pool with the skeletons. Yeah. You son of a bitch, you lift the bodies. You only move the headstones. What's happening? They're in the car.

He's like, don't look back. You're just fucking getting the fuck out of Dodge. That whole part is my favorite part. When they think the house is clean, and guess what? It's not. And all hell breaks loose. Perfect last 15 minutes. Definitely not clean.

She fucking lied. The wife. Did she lie or was it just maybe not a great... What was her job? What's it called? She was a medium of like a house cleaner of spirits. Maybe she was like not a, you know, a yokech kind of medium. more like a Carl Anthony Towns.

Explain. Well, just like kind of lower level. Oh, good. Oh, okay. You could win some playoff games with her, but shit, this was her five. This is her five thousand in the first half moment. She's like, house is clean. Not a multiple MVP type of, okay, I get it, I get it.

By the way, I love, just let everybody know, I love Yolkid. She's my favorite player. Love him. Not sure. It is now. I'm completely reformed. Okay. I'm completely reformed.

I've gotten rid of that. I can't let discrimination. What's your most rewatchable scene? So Joe, it says like Joe Beth up the wall. That's the most rewatchable scene. Because, not because of that. Don't try to act like that.

It's not where I was laughing. It's a small piece of it. She's great. Yeah, not because of that. Just because that scene, like, guys, it's really not because of that. It's just because of that scene, you know something is going to have.

happened. You know it's not over. Yeah. You just don't know what. Yeah. And you don't think that there's any way that in the little last part of the movie that they could turn it up any more than what they just did for the last, say, 25 to 30 minutes. And they do. Everything gets scarier and higher stakes. And like Craig T. Nelson's character not being there and nobody else being there, all the protection is gone. And it's just the three of them having to figure it out. It's really is an exhilarating ending to the movie. I'll just do that nitpick now. I'm not leaving the house for a few days.

I'm staying with my family until I make sure everything's cool. I'm not going to be like, hey, I'm going to be gone. It's poker night. I'll be back. I'll do another nitpick. I'll be back by 11. I'm fucking gone. Are you kidding me?

Yeah. I'm going to take a couple days to pack. Oh, the little small lady said that the house is clean. Okay, cool. So we'll take our time. pack it up and then go to sleep. I figure maybe Monday we're out of here. I'm gone.

Yeah. I'm going to hire some people so I'm going to, you know, do my part to stimulate the economy, hire some people to come box up the house, let them deal with it. I'm out. That's like the old Eddie Murphy sketch that he, I think he did in delirious. Maybe it was the one before that when he's about how horror movies and he doesn't understand when the people they get into the house and he's like, get out. Yeah.

just back, I'd be fucking out. I'd be out in five seconds. Oh, too bad I can't stay. Like, you could have it. You could, it's your house. You got it, Beast. So, we both have that for most rewatchable. And most rewatchable scene was brought to you by Paramount Plus.

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forward slash active cash terms of play. What's the most 1982 thing about this movie? I have some options for you. Okay. Snow on the TV. That's very 1982.

Calvin Klein jeans. Joe Beth is wearing those in one point. Yeah. Those Sony giant box TVs where the dials are on the side of it, like it almost like would take up this whole wall.

Very nice. The little kid had Clue, the board game in his room. That's fun. Gene Shalett was on the TV at one point. I saw it like, yeah, at the beginning, like, there... But my winner is, you got to look for it, but on the TV and the biggest TV,

there's an Atari 2,600 with some controllers on the top. I got nostalgic. Wow. I had Intellivision and Atari. I had, a friend of mine had the Intellivision, almost. Intelligent and better sports.

It had the little boxing game with the little stick guys boxing. Football was amazing. Baseball was good. But like right when I started to play the Intellivision a little bit, like I was to the age to where the Sega Nintendo came show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's age the best? Staring out your window being terrified of something that's right outside the window? Eternal. Oh, this is good. Evil late 70s, early 80s,

white businessman characters? Like Lewis Teague, evil developer. Oh, the guy who's... Yeah, we just moved the headstones. It's fine. Such a capitalist that he'll just... Yeah, just gonna move the headstone.

Destroy a whole cemetery and not caring in somebody. Yeah, nobody don't know. Right. I miss those characters. They couldn't have... You couldn't have that character anymore because people would be like, there's no way this person would be too self-where. What's age the best?

I have a bunch of ones. What's age the best? Number one, family ghost films. Yeah. Like, just the whole family ghost genre was gone for a little while and then just exploded. into its own whole universe, which obviously...

What's the best black family horror film? Black family horror film? Yeah. What's like Black Poltergist? It's like it doesn't exist. So there's a movie that is kind of about a family. The movie is called Death by Temptation.

Have you ever seen this? What year range are we talking? So like 89 or 90. And what it's about is, it's like, it's about Samuel Jackson, I think is in the movie at some point. It's about, this spirit

that comes back once a generation to like attack the earth. Oh. And there is this there's the lead in the movie is a kid who is the son of like a preacher.

And he is the one that has to kill this spirit in this generation. Kadeem Hardison is in it. Kadeem Hardison. Kadeem Hardison is in it. I think Samuel Jackson is in it. And the spirit is like a demon or a vampire, but it tempts you.

Because, like, it's a beautiful woman, and it tempts you. I've definitely seen this at some point in my life. It's a succubis. And there's one scene in the movie that's, like, legitimately terrifying. Kadeem Hardison is trying to fight. Death by temptation. Death by temptation, D-E-F.

And there's one thing he comes home, and he comes home, and he's on the TV. And everything that's, happening to him that you're watching is happening to him on the TV and the TV the demon is inside of it and it's talking back to Gadeem Hardison. It's just a very, very, very scary scene. James Bond the Third is in this. James Bond the Third is- I love James Bond the third. Bill Nuns in this. Bill Nuns in it, yeah. I have some shocking news. You're not going to believe this. What? This movie's available on Tooby. It's not a family horror movie, but TV's like, sign us up. We'll put this

and fucking fucked up 80s horror. This kid is like it's in his family lineage to fight this succubis the I&DB, it's 1990 and the INAB description is an evil succubis is praying on

the bitterness black men in New York City. Yeah. That sounds great. She's killing black guys because they want to have sex for her. I'll watch that this weekend. Yeah. It's good. It's good. I legitimately like it. I'm doing a top 10 black horror movies. Yeah.

on higher learning, doing a top 10 list, and it's on my list. It's good. What do you call that the Van Leighten? The Van Leighten. Yeah. What's age the best?

The word poltergeist? It's pretty much, yeah. It's German for noisy ghost. Great word. Yeah. Good job by the Germans for once. I mean, they play good soccer. So, you know what I'm saying?

I like the schnitzels. Right. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Yeah. Spicy most. They do such a good job. This is what's age the best of showing a normal three-kid family seeming normal for the first 15 minutes.

So when weird shit starts happening, it really resonates, which ET does too. To me, that's Spielberg. He's really good at setting the table of like, this could be any family. You know families like this. And then even like her with the joint in bed, like smoking weed. Yeah. Age really good. They're just hanging out.

she's in the bed she's smoking weed the kids come in like it's that's that whole little part of it just ages pretty well she's hanging out that would be a less fun scene in 2024 because she would just be like I took a microdose gummy thing and just it wouldn't even matter happy I like I just like seeing somebody hold the 1982 joint mom in bed as the kid comes in he can't roll up he's like yo roll up if you don't know how to do it he's reading a he's reading a magazine or a book about Reagan yeah He's reading a book. Reagan, my president, something like that. What else do you have for what stage is about saying?

I say, I have family ghost films. I have smoking weed. Those are the only things I have. I have this story. Joe Beth said she didn't want to get in the pool with the skeletons. And he said, I'll go in there with you. And he went in there with her for a couple takes. Who is the he?

Spielberg. Oh, Spielberg. Yeah, Spielberg's like, I'll go out in there with you. And he went in and stood in the water. and she thought it was very sweet of them. Another would stage the best. They did a direct TV commercial in 2008 that was like a parody of this movie

that I thought made me nostalgic for the days when direct TV actually was a decent business. Damn. Now they just bought a sling and dish for a dollar and nobody has direct TV anymore.

Yeah. Anyway, it was Craig T. Nelson complaining to Carol Ann that it was bad cable reception and the static on the TV. I remember that. The Fortune 3 Clap Award for Most Giffable Moment. It's got to be the little girl staring into the TV, right? Or turning around and saying they're here.

So that's a giffable moment. Another giffable moment in a disgusting Hollywood way is the guy's face getting messed up in the mirror. Like just as a gif, oh, this is happening to me, like his face completely coming apart because it looks so 80 and cheesy, cheesies and disgusting. That would be a good gift as well. Great shot, Order Award for most cinematic shot. It's got to be the skeletons popping up in the pool, right?

Would you go? Anything else? It's so fucking scary. That's very scary. What would be worse? There's nothing worse. I also like the reveal, for some reason, in the movie that they're about to build this new phase of this all on graves. And you go, oh.

Oh. Like, that's what's going on. And that kind of gives the movie some form. Because you're wondering, like, why is this happening to these people? and then you realize that there's a reason. Dan a Thieves, Benny Hahn Award, seen stealing location.

Exactly what you just said. The Big Cohoona Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. It's the Steak and maggots. Steak and Maggates. Come on. All right, Butch's Girlfriend Award Week Link of the film.

Do you have one for this, or do you want me to go out? It's a hard award to give out, because I don't want to give it out to anybody that. I have one. The score got nominated for an Oscar, and I don't understand why it's a lot. the score for the movie.

It's not creepy enough. It's kind of like happy. It feels more like I could have been the score for ET. I don't understand it. I've never understood it. I think that that's by design. I think that they want to keep this movie. This is a horror film?

They wanted to keep it like a PG family. They want to keep this movie. Well, guess what? There's fucking skeletons in a pool. Like, we're past the point of family friendly. Like, this is a scary movie. I don't know. Like, the guy who did a Jerry Goldsmith legend did Rudy Hoosiers.

he did the Omen, won an Oscar for it. Oh, so it's in his will house. So it's like he knows how to do it. I just thought it was a weird choice. What's age to worst? Oh, Jesus Christ, so much. A lot. Go ahead.

Obviously, the cat-calling of the teenage girl by the construction crew. The guy from 48 hours, Billy Bear. Billy Bear. So that whole scene, number one, they're cat-calling her. She stands up for herself. She's like 16? She's 16. and then the mom watches it and laughs at it.

It's part of growing up. No, she's probably stoned. Right. It's probably so. Snow on the TV. The cat calling was hilarious. It's funny. No, just that hilarious that that's in the movie.

It's just a different time. Like snow on the TV has aged terribly because you don't see the snow on the TV anymore. The effects during the face melting thing, the light effects are pretty nice. In 1989. Yeah, but that's kind of to be expected when you're watching the movie. Yeah.

Yeah. So I have, they're like, this isn't a haunting. It's a poltergeist. And then as you see it, it's like, no, it's actually a haunting. Yeah, it really was. This movie should have been called The Haunting, not Poltergeist. Right. It's a bunch of people who died and were in graves,

and then they knocked down the tombstones and build houses on them. They were pissed off. What was the- decided to haunt some shit. What was the definition? Because she, I can't remember. She explained what the difference was doing.

She was like, this isn't a haunting. This is poltergeist. This is a, you know, an evil ghost that's coming after you. But it wasn't one ghost. It was a whole bunch of them.

But to me, that sounds like a haunting. Another word's age of worse, I mentioned earlier, the family not having seen any, there's something wrong with the house movies to be properly scared because those movies didn't exist.

Right. So they had no kind of foundation. to be like, hey, this, this reminds me of whatever. Poltergeist team and three I never liked. I don't even remember them. I don't know that I've seen three. Two is the one with the, they bring in the Native American shaman. I don't know that I've seen three.

Being able to change your neighbor's TV with a remote, definitely is age the worst. You can't do that now. I didn't even know that you could do it then. I saw that at the beginning. Saints were playing at the beginning. I have something on that later. Yeah. Really bad edit after the chair sliding scene where all the side.

put in there in the front door of some of the neighbor's house, and there's history behind it. They made a Pizza Hut joke, and that was the end of the scene. Pizza Out got mad, and they ended up cutting the scene early to get to the next scene. And if you watch it, it's a terrible edit. Which I've always wondered why they edited it that way, but that's the reason. I'll tell you guys something right now. If you're listening to this and you were born basically any time after like 1985, you don't remember, we talked about this before on the Bad News Bear podcast.

You just don't remember the delight that Pizza Hut in there. the 80s was. Right. Just going into a huge The huge The house. The

Sella hut. There's a new thing. The pizza Pizza Hut was fantastic. We had Papagino in New England though.

You've ever heard of that? No. It was like kind of a local pizza. Two more things. The 2015 remake

that they made, fuck that movie. Never saw it. This movie should not have been remade. Yeah. That's offensive. And then

this movie because of the way they filmed it when it was on cable in like the late 80s and the 90s and it was like pan and scan

and too close. and it was kind of hard to follow. And now that the TVs are wide, it's way better. But I think that hurt the rewatchability of a little bit. Of all of the retreading of the horror movies that came out in the mid-2000s to the mid-20s, like the Amityville Horror remake, When a Stranger Calls, all of them.

Halloween came back. They redid Nightmare. Freddy. All of those. Were any of them, anybody in the room, were any of them either comparable to, better than the originals.

Was there anything that really got a remake to where you're like, this is something that should have been remade and updated for a new audience and it's stuck? Rob Zombies, Halloween, all of that stuff. Great question. Thank you for asking. I think the When a Stranger Calls remake is really good.

And it's a big hit in the Simmons family. We've watched it multiple times. Okay. It's just a better version. The original When A Stranger Calls, the first 15 minutes is great. And then the movie dies and becomes a bad 70s movie. So they redid it, made it smarter, made it more modern, and it's just better.

So I would go that one. I didn't like the zombie Halloween. None of those, I thought worked. Right. I was out on all those. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award. They knew, and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady.

I come in here. I give these things to you. Give it all you got. Give it all you got. I treated you like a son. You fucking. And stand me in the heart. Fuck you.

I actually, I couldn't come up with anyone for this. I thought the movie was well-acted. Well-acted and perfectly cast. I thought going into it that Zelda would be the one. No, she scales it down. It's actually less. She's eccentric, but it's like actually less... The doctor, I thought, but she's good too.

The only one I thought was maybe the little boy. Kind of dials it up, trying to be super scared, but he's supposed to be scared. Yeah, he's terrified. Yeah, I couldn't have an answer for that one. Was there a better title for this? movie. Haunting. The Beast. The Beast could have been good, but the Beast does give the movie a little bit more of an aggressive tone, but the Beast could have been good.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, hottest take a word. Zelda Rubinstein, the actress who plays Tangina, you could tell me she's perfectly cast. You could tell me she kind of sucks. Okay. Wow. Jesus Christ. She's almost like the mascot for the movie. I got to hear this. She's not positive she's a good actor. Like she gives that long speech and I feel like I'm sitting in Barry's acting class watching somebody to see Barry.

She's just not that good of an actress. And I think the rest of her career bore it out, but she's perfectly cast because she seems like the kind of person who'd be a medium. But I just wonder, like, what happens if they got an awesome actress for that part? Is it a better movie? I think what you need it more than

anything, I'm looking for my high stake, by the way. I think what you need it more than anyway, more than anything in that was somebody that looked like they would be a medium. Okay. But it couldn't have been Sally Field with some crazy makeup on? Maybe. Actually trying to act?

But like if you looked at somebody, who looks like they could talk to people from another world? Could have been Shirley McLean? Oh, she did it in real life. Yeah. Yeah. I just wonder, like, did they miss an opportunity to have an awesome actress in that part?

Yeah. And just, like, somebody that, like, think of it now. If you're redoing Poltergeist, which unfortunately they did. But I think you would want like a killer actress for that part. Yeah, or somebody

that embodies the same, quirky, zany. Like, imagine like, Viola Davis is the medium and she comes in and she's like smacks it down for 15 minutes. Yeah, you like that type of shit. No, does like some major,

she's in control of the room, she's fucking scary. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I got to it. I mean, it's a hot take just because she's so recognizable.

Like, or Merrill Streep right now is like the old medium coming in. It's too big of a role for them, though. Yeah, I guess. I get it. My hottest take. Yeah.

I think the ghost world has reverse racial dynamics. Okay. These ghosts are always fucking with white people. That's why we don't have black horror movies. These ghosts are always fucking with white people. I think what happens is when you get to the ghost world, it's flipped around. And the people who have the power in the afterlife to go, because there's a bunch of ghosts back there and they're going, Yo, man, we're here for a while.

We got to fuck with these motherfuckers. They think they go build a house where I'm sleeping? Fuck them. Take the kid, take her. Hey, keep her back there. Bees, what you doing? Hey, Big Bees, that's my homie. Like, that's the, that is to me.

I think it's the, because if you look about, if you look at it, not a lot of movies where black people are being fucked over by ghosts. It's not. These are the, these are ghosts of people. They're mad and they're like, we're going to take our eternity. And we're just going to mess with y'all for a lot. little while. This is a great theory. I would say the counter would be that there were no black filmmakers basically in the 80s and 90s because nobody would, nobody cared about finding them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And maybe that's why we didn't have it. But what I don't understand is why we don't have more of it now. More of black horror movies? Yeah, well, we've gotten better in the last 10 years. Oh, no, no, there definitely, definitely a lot of them coming. But here's a thing, though, not to get hyper-serious for a second, but what happens is a lot of times when there's not a whole lot of investment into different types of films being made or different types of talents. What you really do is you squeeze the amount. The same type of thing that's happening. Right.

I mean, so what happens is like when you get a chance to tell your story, you don't take a chance on your horror story or your sci-fi story. Yeah. And that's changing now. What you do is you kind of give Hollywood, what has happened in the past is you give Hollywood what they want to see from black atoires and black filmmakers. Now that's completely different.

You're seeing great sci-fi, great. great horror. There was a horror comedy called the Blackening that came out. Right. That's very, very funny. You love that movie. I love it. Very, very funny. I watched it on an airplane. It was fine, but I think the airplane heard it. Yeah. So, just stuff like that, and you're going to see

like that expand a little bit. It's a lot better now than it used to be. Casting what ifs. Spielberg wanted Stephen King to co-write the polter guy screenplay. He said no. Interesting. They, originally, instead of Craig T. Nelson, wanted this

actor named Joe Spano, who was on Hill Street Blues, which is the biggest drama of the first part of the 80s, to be the Craig T. Nelson part, and the creator of the show would not let him out of the contract. Do I know Joe Spanow? He was like Hill Street Blues guy number six.

I never heard of his life. His whole career in life would have been different. Yeah. There's stuff on the internet about Shirley MacLean being offered a starring role when she turned it down. I couldn't tell if it was true or not. But then this is true. Drew Barrymore was thought of for Carol Ann. Oh, wow.

And they decided she made more sense as Gertie and E.T. Damn, think about that. Good little. What would have been better for a career? Probably E.T. Right. For sure. But Poltegris, that was a huge part.

That was a gigantic part. Just not as big of a movie. But E.T. is just, it's a minted in film lore. Oh. The Van Lathan Award. Did this movie Need More Black People? We only give this out when you're here. I can't believe that one homie.

Shout out to Richard Lawson. I can't believe he was there as long as he was. That big-ass camera walking around. Get the fuck out of this place with these people. They could have stuck in a couple more. Where? The evil businessman guy who was knocking the headstones. He could have been anybody.

That's not going to happen. We're not building. We're not building. The doctor. Which doctor? The doctor gave the big speech that was with Richard Lawson in that crew. Oh. She could have been anybody.

Dr. Jess. Okay. I will say this. there's a lot of people out there now these brothers that are ghost hunters that did their podcast we're just getting into that okay so we weren't at that point

yet okay we in 82 we have bigger problems than trying to fuck with ghosts like we're not to that point we're not to that point yet so no I was happy to see Richard Lawson in that bitch

we had two black guys fucking with ghosts in the 80s he's in there back yeah Ernie Hudson was there as well best that guy word he's eligible Zelda Rubinstein is tangi Okay.

Sunny Landham as the cat calling construction worker who became Billy Bear and was also a predator. The neighbor. Is Zelda Rubinstein, Zelda Rubinstein, or is she just the lady from this movie? She's a lady from this movie. That's so she wins. Dionne Waiter's Award. I can't give it to Tangina. I don't know if it's like a heat check performance.

I got to go with Louis Teague, the evil developer. Unbelievable scene where he's just calmly explaining and then getting made. at Craig T. Nelson. Right. Say, ah, but the tombstones, nobody'll know. Is there any thought about Dominic Dunn for this? Like, every scene she's in, she's doing something. She's actually really good in this.

That's a good call. She might be in it too much, though. Like, she might be in it a little bit too much. Yeah, she good screaming in this. She has a good, what is happening? With a big hickey on her neck. Recasting couch director or city. The little brother's, like a C-plus.

He's fine. he's fine what more did you want can I give you a young Mark Paul Gossler oh wow yeah maybe a young Ricky Schroeder

oh Schroeder can I give you somebody who actually went on to have a career after this movie Schroeder was in his chroder was in his bag at this point

yeah little Joy Lawrence maybe yeah somebody from the 80s that ended up becoming somebody Schroeder was the man yeah Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, or someone else for the director's commentary.

I think Chris. You would say Chris? I like, I like the, I can't do Chris. I wish the R was here. She just went right into that portal. Al. She wasn't afraid of that portal at all. Went right in, fell through the ceiling.

Oh my God. We forgot to mention how cool was that they fell through the ceiling. And covered in that weird jelly, whatever it was. During this time... Why does the afterlife have like jelly stuff? During this time, I was about to say this. Even in Ghostbusters, which is my choice for best double feature. Yeah.

I had Ghostbusters with this. You know, you have, because they disneeded the Ghostbusters badly. Yeah. You needed Bankmen to come in here and get this whole thing, right? Why is there goo? There's goo in the Ghostbusters. Particularly Ghostbusters, too. There's goo.

Why is there goo? On the other side. What's the goo? Never understood it. Half Asernate research. Spielberg's own fears as a child were a fear of clowns and a tree that was outside his window, hence the movie. The house is located in Sydney Valley, California. Still exists.

You can go see it. My son and one of his friends went to the Menendez house a couple days ago to check it out. Seems like a good idea. They got yelled away. Yeah. Yeah, they were pissed. Apparently a lot of tourists and stuff going by now. How do you feel about the fact that these things that,

were so ubiquitous in the late 80s, early 90s, now are flirting with that same ubiquity because of Netflix and stuff like that. I know. They're just playing the hits. Yeah, I remember living through when everybody couldn't stop talking about Jeffrey Dahmer. I remember living through when everybody

couldn't stop talking about O.J. It started with OJ. Everyone couldn't stop talking about the Menendez brothers. People are coming up to me asking me questions about the Menendez brothers going, hey, have you heard about the Menendez brothers? I'm like, yeah, fucking right. I've heard about the Menendez brothers.

But they seem to know so much more about it because we were only getting the headlines and the internet and stuff. So the Rams Saints game is from a Monday Night Football game in 1980. The Saints are your favorite team. Yes. They show one play.

It's a pick thrown by the Saints. The Saints lost the game 27 to 7. Vince Farragamo threw two TDs to Preston Dernard. Archie Manning, Saints quarterback for the game. 12 for 26, 92 yards, two picks, seven sacks. the Saints fell to Seven fucking sack The Saints fell to

Oh and 12 Yeah So I'm old And I used to know this stuff And now I forget a lot So I was like Oh in 12 What was their final record

I go on pro football reference And they were 0 in 15 They played They played the Jets Or their own 14 They played the Jets And they beat the Jets

By one point And I'm like I wonder if this game's on YouTube And I went And the entire game was on YouTube And I Zoomed through the fourth quarter

They were down 24th touchdown, got a huge stop. Guys ran on the field celebrating because they weren't going to go on 15 because no team had gone without a loss. Anyway, the 1980 Saints, everybody. Archie, so you know like the Faustian bargain? Yeah.

Where you get something and then you get... He's like, I want my kids to be awesome at football and just kick the shit out of me for 10 years. The shit out of me for 10 years. But both of my sons and then my grandson now, Yeah. They'll have all the success. I just get awesome mannings.

Yep. So apparently this story was inspired by an incident in the late 80s in Denver where this whole cemetery thing actually happened in the late 1800s. Yeah. And then that's it. Apex Mountain. Spielberg, you could make the case. Raiders, E.T. and Poltergeis.

The move, like the era. Just this week right here. Yeah. Like when did he have more juice than this? I mean, this was the making of Stephen Spilbert. Yeah, this is it. He could do it everyone after this. Craig T. Nelson.

It's hard. Probably not. Probably not. Yeah. Joe Beth Williams, yes. Yeah, for sure. Creepy clowns in a bedroom? That's it.

I agree. Portals? Portals. Portals in a closet, definitely. Portals in a closet for sure, yeah. Ghost movies? Family ghost movies, I think. Yeah.

I think this is the apex. cursed real-life movies. Oh, for sure. I think it is, too. Hooper also did Texas Chainsaw Masker. Yeah, no, that's his claim to fame. This movie is probably not as connected to him as, you know. And people also thought Spielberg did it.

And then Franic escapes from a fucked-up haunted house. It's this versus Amityville in the finals, and I don't know who wins. He goes back and gets the dog at Ambyville Harre. They're like, Dad, you got to get the dog. I would have gone back to get Murph. you would have gone back to get Bozeman. Oh, for sure. Goes back, comes running back with the dog.

Yeah. That's pretty good. But this is, him screaming, don't look back. I think that's probably the goat. And to be honest with you, the spill, another spill burgundy part of it is, is the very last scene where they put the TV outside.

Yeah. You get to have a little laugh. Right. A little bit of heart, like when you leave the theater. Cruz or Hanks? Oh, shit. Cruz. Cruz

Oh, I think this is absolutely Hanks. This is the most Hanks It is easiest Hanks win in a while It's Hanks, it's Hanks But I would want to see Cruz I want to see He'd have to be the star though

He'd have to go in the portal Hanks would let the wife go in the portal Has Cruz ever done anything Scary type? No, because it's a Scientology thing I think Oh yeah, that's true I don't know why I want to see him In a scary type situation

and I want to see him disheveling and all of that. But obviously, Hanks is the American Everyman father's type of guy. Craig? Hanks, 100%. Come on, fan. I apologize. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, or fantasy team name? Poltergeist.

I'll just go poltergeist for the horse. Poltergeist? Yeah. Oh, poltergeist for the horse. Poulter guys for the horse. What a cool name for a horse. Polter guys. I like it.

Picket Knits. We covered a lot of these. The biggest one we just have to hit again. The lady says the house is clean. And then they're like, all right. And they take four or five days before they actually get out. That's crazy. And then nobody thinking it's alarming that somebody chairs can just go across the kitchen,

them not being more frightened by this. It's adorable, but I also don't understand it. I would be way more scared and freaked out. Like, you know what the ghosts are thinking, like behind the scenes? The ghosts, as all of this has happened, the ghosts are looking at her. and they go, oh, she think we pussy. Why aren't they scared? Like, she think it's a game.

Hey, you see what she doing? She didn't put a helmet on the child and put the child in the thing. They're like, we're taking the kid now. Yeah, and then, no, we got to take the little girl. Like, she's testing us. And then the ghosts take an L and they stay. And the ghosts are texting each other again.

They're like, what are these people on? Like, what's up with them? That's when they decided to escalate. Yeah, man, let's go. Get the fucking pool lady. Did you ever get into the picking nits? Because I feel like we did all the money. Yeah, we did all the things.

Mine was staying in the house. The whole nine, the, we already did them all. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. If they, so they did the remake, all black cast was the natural idea for that.

I don't know why they didn't do that. It would be funny. Like, why not? Yeah. I'm really mad that they remade it, though, and I don't think they should have. There's a prestige TV version of Poltergeist that I'd be willing to actually.

hear the pitch for. A prestige TV television. Basically they're doing this with, you know, they've done like way more elaborate version of this, like this stuff. What's his face does? Mike Flanagan. Oh yeah, for sure. And that's like Poltergeist 9.0.

Yeah. I mean, look, if they were able to like over five, six episodes kind of give you all of these thrills and chills. How about different houses built over the graveyards? Could be. That would work? Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Traos, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harley-Mayle, Evil Laughing,

Ramon Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall. I think we have room for Sam Jackson in the Richard Lawson part. Is Sam Jackson as the Richard Lawson guy adds a little bit more, no diss to Richard Lawson, adds a little more comedy, a little more fun, a little more energy.

For sure. Just one Oscar, who gets it. Visual effects? You know, I went with the script. The writing, okay. I think the script is really good on the movie. I go for 82, the visual effects. Probably in answerable questions.

All right, here's one. So Joe Beth Williams' character, I think, is the stepmom for the oldest daughter? Because they say she's like 32 and the daughter's like 16, 17. Something in the police station where it seems like the other two kids are their kids together and then she's a stepmom and the older kid. But then the kid calls her mom. So there's something there. There's some theories on the internet about that, that she's the stepmom, unanswerable.

Did they go after Carol Ann because they were living there for the entire time Caroline was there? Did they go after her because she was the first baby born in this forbidden you took our tombstones. Oh, yeah. And Carolan was born in the house.

That's what I mean. Yeah. So they wait and then. So that paranormal video they take of all the spirits with the faces coming down the stairs, how many views I do? YouTube if that actually exists. Is it

more than the best Lonely Island video? Yeah, for sure. If people think it's real, we're going north of 50. Like, bigger than it's a brooder film. I watched an interrogation video on YouTube last night that had 14 million views. Would Mr. Beast, his number one video,

top, just light faces coming down stairs for five minutes? Actual. I think that would be the biggest one. It's huge. All those kids are fucked up for life, right? Everyone. Everyone.

Like, none of those kids come out on skate. Everyone. Everyone. Dominic Dungo's to college, her character. Like, she's just a mess the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

What percentage of the neighborhood stays after they witness the house collapse into a paranormal dungeon? Which was done by a little, apparently a little four-foot model, by the way. Yeah. They made this whole thing. I think everyone moves. Everyone phase over. Yeah.

No more phases. I think they then have to dig up all the or put the tombstones back, whatever they, yeah, you got to, or maybe you just do nothing and it's just gone. The whole company shutters, right? The whole construction company probably goes on. Has to.

Yeah. Has to. Here's one. Joe Beth Williams was a star. Should she have been a bigger star? It was a very, very, very crowded crowd right then. It's this fight. We've talked about it for in previous pods,

these five-year windows, and then you just get replaced by, whoever the next fresh faces. I always loved her. She was awesome in the big show. She was really good in all those TV movies. I always thought she should have been bigger. She's up against Deborah Winger.

She's awesome in this movie. I know, Deborah Winger. She's up against Sally Field. She's up against every single actress of that. Young Meryl Street. Young Meryl Street. That's a really crowded field at that time. I liked her.

She's from Texas. Joe Beth. Best double feature choice. You say Ghostbusters. buses for me. I would say E.T. I would do E.T. first than this. Do the fun,

heartwarming version, and then go dark. India Reds-Wadne Award would happen the next day. I think we covered it. Everyone in the neighborhood leaves. Everyone's gone. Everyone's gone. Here we go.

What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I thought about this. Here's my answer. Not the clown. Not want the fucking clown. There is a Darth Vader head

they had so much cool Star Wars stuff in the movie which you kind of feel like now is Spilbert saying what's up to his homeboy George Lucas I mean it was a phenomenon phenomenon so like kind of there's like there's a poster on the wall but then there's like a Darth Vader clock or something like that's probably what I would have taken

if I'm being for real that are the like do you take that for you? For me that are the fucking TV the TV from Polter guys that have it in your house I think the TV is the right answer for just maximum value the coach finstock were for best life lesson as always when weird shit starts happening in your house that's really fucking scary and disorienting

get the fuck out get out just leave don't be a hero right just get out leave other houses not other children like you just go somewhere else have a nice week this isn't a who's more macho competition if if I

came to your crib and you were like van you move Why? And I'll be like, I'm gonna be honest with you. I moved because the pain in my living room kept flipping upside down. And then Bozeman went to a portal. And Bozeman went to a portal. Like if you returned five days later. If I tell you that, you're gonna be like, that's a good reason to move. Yeah. So like, what's the downside? Who won the movie? Oh, well, I didn't do the, uh, the ghost movies won the movie. If one person had to win the movie, if one person had to win the movie, I would say it was Joe Beth. So, uh, I don't know, I would say it was Joe Beth. I think it's either Spielberg or Joe Both Williams. Because her part is just, she's just really good and it, and her part's really good. And it's just a great role. And it's a huge movie. And I feel like she should have gotten more credit for it.

Spielberg got like all the credit for this movie. It was just that. Because it was just E.T. then this. And it was like Spielberg. He was on the cover of Time and Newsweek. It was like Summer Spielberg. And she kind of got shoved aside, but it was like one of those, you know,

James Worthy in Game 7 of the 88 finals where it's like, I put up a triple double. bone at 35 motherfuckers? When you look at it, they sideline Craig T. Nelson because he starts drinking and whatever, whatever, and she kind of has to hold it together. So, yeah, it's kind of her show.

What do you got, Craig? Had never seen this? I loved it. I thought it was awesome. I thought, I'm not a horror movie guy at all, and I think that's why I like this more. Because Spielberg and horror is an amazing combo.

It's like sprinkling like a little, like, childish magical dust on like something that should be terrifying. To me, this felt like a, like a Disneyland scary ride at Disneyland. I'm like watching it. I'm like, all right, this is okay. And then the effects are pretty cheesy. But I almost don't even think the, were the effects good in 82?

I kind of feel like they weren't even that good in 82. For 82, they were really good. That was good? Yeah. Okay. We didn't have anything in 82. We didn't have barely had cable in 82. I thought it was cool because Spielberg made the house feel like welcoming and warm the entire time.

Every other movie now that gets made That's about like the haunted house It's the most terrifying scene The house you want nothing to do with Throughout this movie I am still like I'll go in that house Like I would go hang out with them He made the whole thing feel like warm and welcoming

In this like family horror genre It's something I just like didn't really know about And I think it being dated Also makes it a little bit easier to watch now But did you watch it Thinking that it was a Spielberg movie Like did it seem Spielberg EDI? Oh my God

He directed this movie It's all over it I mean, the way the camera moves. Also, like, his name is everywhere it can be without technically saying he's the director. Yeah. It's at the beginning. It's the last thing you see.

On the poster, it's, like, the biggest name. The way the camera moves and all of the... I mean, it basically feels like you're watching E.T., which is, like, an amazing combination to see, like, Spielberg mixed with horror. I thought it was really cool. Iconic movie, beloved. Iconic and beloved. And the acting is great.

Also, just like, a really good parenting movie. A really good depiction of... They're cool parents. Yeah, good parents. And just, like, The relationships that mothers have with their children and fathers have with their children and how that differs. There's a scene that, like, directly interrogates that.

The mom has to go into the portal. Like, I think it's the right call. So Liz goes into the portal for you? Liz goes into the portal for our daughter. Yeah. I think they set up the mother-father dynamic really well. So if it was a son, would it then be you that went to the portal? No, no.

No. No. No. Yeah. I think it's like the mother's connection. I mean, it's why she, it's why the mom is communicating with her the whole movie, like, it's that, like, maternal bond. And Spielberg has an interesting relationship with his mom, I think.

And I think it's like, that is really hit upon well. Also, most horror movies don't end, I don't know, it's like, even the ghosts in this movie are like, they're not really bad people. They're just upset because they got a house built on their graves. Yeah, you feel bad for the ghosts. You find out in the second one that the ghost is kind of a bad person. Yeah, yeah, they doubt it up. But Spielberg didn't have anything to do with that one, right?

Right, right, right, right. It's very Spielberg to be like, the family's great. And also the ghosts have a point. Right. They do have a point. They have a legitimate grievance. Yeah. Only the evil builder is a bad person.

Yeah. Louis Teague. It's like horror with a lesson is not that common. And I thought it was great. All right. That's rewatchable. Another, another scary month movie. We got three more common in October.

I also like that this movie was, this movie could have been 90 minutes, but it was an hour 54. And I think it's because Spielberg was like, we're going to take the time, set up the characters. First 15 minutes is like, no whole. horror. And then even at the end, there's like those moments of silence when she's in the tub. I mean, they're sitting there. Those are like three-minute scenes cutting back to everybody. There's so much silence in this movie and they really like sit in it. And I think it's worth it to not be 90 minutes. I think like the extra 15-20 they added to build all that stuff really hits. Craig always looks at the time before he starts the movie. I do. It's dead now. Every movie's,

Joker is like what, 225? It's a joke. Oh, fuck. What was the one that was 90 and you were so delighted that we did like two months ago? We did one. It was like 89 minutes and you were like doing backflips. Oh, it was night shift. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, night shift just zips through. Yeah. It's a lost art. Van Lathen. A true pleasure, as always. Thank you, my friend. Thank you, Craig. Yeah.

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