The Rewatchables - ‘Predator’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Shea Serrano, and Kyle Brandt

Episode Date: April 26, 2021

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Dylan, what's the matter? You get tired of pushing pencils? It's a terrible, Arnold. I'll do better as this podcast along. Predators coming up next. Whatever it is out there. It killed Hopper. And now it wants us.

Nothing like it has ever been on earth before. She says the jungle. It just came alive and took him. It kills for pleasure. He was skinned alive. It hunts for sport. It's killing us one at a time. But this time, if it bleeds, you can kill it.

It's picked the wrong. man to hunt Arnold Schwarzenegger. Predator. Rated on. The hunt begins Friday, June 12th at theaters everywhere. All right, much like we assemble the dream team in Predator and all those dudes were on the helicopter. They're on a Zoom here in my dream team. A lot of testosterone in this room.

Kyle Brain is here. Shea Serrano's here. Chris Ryan is here. We're going to talk about Predator, a movie that is just loaded with masculinity. Shea Serrano, let's talk. Why do you love this movie so much? This is my favorite action movie of all time. I love every single part of this thing.

I was trying to figure out how do I measure what all I like in an action movie? And I was making this whole like John Hollinger gigantic formula to calculate it. And then ultimately I ended up settling on this one thing. How much of a movie can I watch before I need to watch basically all of it? Like, you know what I'm saying? There's not more than any 10-second stretch in this movie that you could show me if I'd never seen it before that it doesn't look interesting to me. And that's as short as it gets.

Like, if we watch, John Wick is another one of my favorites, but you can probably find like a 90-second stretch where I could see it and be like, I mean, maybe I'll watch it, but I don't know. But in Predator, I couldn't find more than 10 or 15 seconds here that just didn't get me so fucking pumped. What do you got, Kyle? Um, it just, it's just glorious. You know, when you were a kid in the 80s, you didn't get a superhero movie every 20 minutes.

It just didn't happen. And this thing, watching it back now, it feels like an Avengers movie in a way. Like, you got the Terminator and Apollo and the body and the green beret from Commando. And they're all just like juiced out of their heads. I mean, they're in great shape naturally. And there's this villain who's like Thanos. and they can't kill him and he's too good. It's just like, we did Commando

as kind of like a little apprative to this. And that's like, like, you know, poison finishing their set. And then Metallica comes on and you're like, holy shit, this is different. I think to quote Shea Serrano on the Ray Watchables text chain, like, Predator fucking rules.

It's so good. It's so metal. Chris? To play off of what Kyle's saying, the best part about this movie is how simple it is. It's just let's put these fucking roided out Bash Brothers in the jungle and have them fight the ultimate killing machine. And it's part slasher

movie and part action movie. And it is completely free, speaking of superhero movies, completely free of mythology, of backstory, of like, wait, was this guy in the third movie, but he was going to do this and like, why don't I? No, no, no, no, no. No, no. It's just Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bill Duke and Jesse Ventura machine gunning the jungle. It is so simple. But the simplest movies wind up being the most rewatchable because you don't have to reset your brain to understand everything about it. It's so primal. I can't believe you left out Sunny Landum as you do listing off people on the Preder. That was unbelievable.

I would have started with Sunny Landon. To me, this is a Sunny Landon movie that Arnold's also in. I feel like this is Sunny Landon production. So I made my testosterone movie Mount Rushmore because when you think of like Balcoe Mount Rushmore kind of. Whatever you want it to be. the movies that just ooze the most testosterone, where it's just reeking off the, you're in the theater,

it's reeking off the screen. People are being sprayed with testosterone. Predator, I think, is the Michael Jordan of the category, the go-to. Fast five, I would have in there as well. And I have nobody, those two movies have so much testosterone, and that's it. I don't need more on the Mount Rushmore. I just have those two.

I've left the other two, Blake. And I think the common theme, of both of them is sleeveless arms, muscles, and body butter. Shea, does this movie get enough credit for introducing body butter and greasy arms to the American pop culture scene? Because I don't think it does. Whatever you were going to say after, does this movie get enough credit for whatever? The answer is going to be no. It does it.

Everybody talks about how Die Hard is the most influential action movie of all time or the most important or whatever. Predator is right there with it. Nose for nose, step for step, it is up there. God damn, I love this movie. You know what else? I just, there's this whole stretch before he became a little self-aware when Arnold's ripping off one-liners in these movies.

And I don't know. When is that end, Chris, where it's definitely in the 80s. Is it kindergarten cop? T2 is what I feel like the movies themselves are being sold off of those one-liners, right? And then it's kindergarten cop and last action hero kind of play with the meta-ness of it, though. This movie's not meta.

No, not at all. I think he had lived a couple of these, which we'll get to. I think he's really excited to, like, rib Carl Weathers. I bet he, like, rehearsed that scene when he sees it. What's the matter, Dillon? Does that, all that stuff. But to me, this is the total Arnold package.

We've now done a few Arnold movies here. Kyle, if you were going to do the Arnold checklist of things you, you need in an Arnold action movie. Is anything missing? I guess like there's no girl, there's no love interest piece, but everything else is here. Well, what I like about it is, you know, Bill, the unintentional comedy thing, like, is not there a lot. Like, it's a very serious movie. And, you know, he gets in the one-liner about Stick Around, which I think he ad-libs. And then the other thing is like, it's just the Shane Black making the sex jokes. But, like, Arnold is dead serious.

There's nothing going on with the woman. And, like, you just, didn't have that back then. There was always as to be a joke or some shit like that. I think I was taken away just how serious it takes itself. And I love it because it's intense as hell. So like all that whole like he shoots an alligator in the movie Eraser and says your luggage. Like that's farce. Like that's years from now. This is dead serious Arnold like I'm going to be an action star and I'm killing it. This and total recall are my two favorite Arnold ensemble movies. Like they're the movies where he actually gets to hang out with people because a lot of the times he is, it's him against the world. But in these two movies, I really do feel like he gets to play with either

guys who are probably legit think they are as tough as him at that time. You know, like, Ventura probably is like, I can go toe to toe with this guy. Carl Wethers looks like he can go toe to toe to toe with him. And also, like, Bill Duke is a good actor. You know what I mean? Like, the dude playing poncho is a good actor. Like, those guys are like delivering the lines in really convincing ways. You actually feel a real sense of, I mean, altered, but still realism there. There's a lot of things I'm excited about for this podcast, but She's thoughts on Pancho are way, way up there. We're going to get to them later. Shea.

Yep. I'm just going to read to you this Wikipedia sentence. Go for it. And you tell me if Wikipedia peaks right here. Apex Mountain? Apex Wikipedia. This is its description of predator. It stars Arnold Schwarzenegger as the leader of an elite paramilitary rescue team on a mission to save hostages and

Herald-held territory in a Central American rainforest who encounter the deadly predator, a technologically advanced alien who stalks and hunts them down. Do you think this was pitched this way in the room? And when did they buy the pitch? Like halfway through that sentence? Or did the person have to take the studio executive? Like, you've been in a couple of those, meaning, Shay. Did the guy had to, like, take a break, like, let a cigarette and just be like,

I can't believe what just happened. You've blown my mind. What transpires? the pitch of that. It's got to be perfect. Yeah, they walked in and they're like, listen, it's Arnold and an alien in a jungle, and they fight. And then the guy

just fucking had an orgasm and passed out. And they woke him up 25 minutes later. The producer looks at his pile of cocaine and he's like, this is pretty good stuff. He's like, take a big sniff. One thing I didn't understand about this, and this is one of the many reasons I think

Fast and Furious, that has they're making the ninth one. We'll litigate the trailer some other time. But, Kyle, the concept of basically a gang, a group of dudes, a bunch of muscle guys, people fill different roles.

Predator nails this. Why didn't we have more of these? Why weren't there more movies where you just put six guys together and they have to do something? It's, I mean, if you think about it,

you have the cool guy, and then you have the smart guy, and then you have the nerd. It's kind of like breakfast club with machine guns. Like, Little niche is filled. And it's like when when Billy finally dies, you're like, oh, now they're really fuck,

because this was this was the smart guy. Like they needed him. And I don't know why it's a perfect formula. Glasses guy, Ray guy, huge machine gun guy. And it's almost like a video game a little bit, but that's why I love it. Like you feel like you're playing it as you watch it. Basically, that became expendables, right? This was the formula where probably somebody had the conversation like the one where I said,

my men are not expendable in the movie. And eventually they are. It's a throwback to the dirty dozen. It's a throwback to the professionals. I mean, you can tell McTiernan grew up watching those movies, watching the Meton Emission movies, and then he just applies it to like a totally like widescreen blockbuster format. Well, what's fascinating about this is we'll get to it in the research.

But like they're ad-libbing so much of this stuff on the fly. They have to reshoot the last third of this movie. I'll just spoil it now. They basically sent Arnold back into the jungle. and the last 30 minutes of this movie was basically their second try it trying to make it work with the predator outfit

all that stuff. Shay, when you see this movie now is the predator outfit and the special effects, are they endearing to you? Do you wish they could have? Are they perfect? Are they time sensitive perfect?

What would you have changed about the costume? Any of that stuff? I think that this is, I think it holds up really, really well. I mean, we're talking about a movie that's 30-something years old at this point.

35. 34. 34 and a half. Like, just watching it now, you don't realize it at the time you don't because you're still pulled in. But if you're paying attention, we don't actually get like a good look at the predator until almost an hour in. It's just like the ghost of this thing out there somewhere that they play off of. We get all these really great shots from like the ground up of them sort of listening and sensing

something as dangerous as around them. But then when he shows up, this is honestly my favorite movie alien of any of the ones that he's gotten. Obviously, you can make a case for the Zenamore from the alien franchise as being like the best alien ever. But just from a practical standpoint, when he takes that mask off, even now watching, I watched it last night again this morning, when he takes that mask off for the first time and you see his face and you're like, I had no idea what was going to be under there, but it wasn't that. I know that, wasn't that. That fucking teeth opened up. and he's just, he's perfect. And it's this,

I think a really neat trick they did is they just made them super tall, which is always intimidating. You got, what's his name? Kevin Peter Hall is like in the suit. Wasn't an intentional trick, though. I remember you wrote, how many years ago, you wrote a whole Grantland piece about if Jean-Claude Van Damme had played the, had played Predator, which he was cast and fired,

and we'll get into all the possibilities. You have five, five, nine and a half Van Dam as the, as the predator. Kyle's smiling happily. I think he kind of likes this scenario. You seem happy right now. Well, you know what? I heard that there was a scene where Van Dam's playing The Predator

and Dylan and Dutch are going to kill it, and then the Predator does the splits on two trees and stays there. And there's another scene where the Predator shows his perfectly tanned ass to the platoon. And then there's another one where the Predator kills everybody and gets really drunk and then does like bad clap dancing with spenders on it. It was on the cutting room floor.

I think it would have a very different film, Bill. I would have liked all of that stuff. Chris, does that break your brain, Van Dam as the, as the predator? It's an amazing what if. But Shea's right, man. It's like this, the way they handle the predator in this movie is basically the Jaws format, where you don't show it, you don't show it, you let people's imagination fill in what it could be. And in the meantime, I think even the thing that, I mean, I don't want to step on what's aged the best, but the kills in this movie are you're like, I'm terrified of this thing. And you can see why the soldiers who have like, all they talk about is Afghanistan and we did Libya, we did this, Berlin, whatever.

And then like they show up in this jungle. And as soon as they see their boys start getting torn apart, they're as scared as the viewer. Yeah. When Billy says it. Yeah. When he says he's afraid, and you're like, oh, if he's afraid, we should all be afraid right now. You know what I'm saying? That was some of the best acting.

You ain't afraid of no man. Something out there waiting for us. Sunny Landon pretending to be afraid was probably the biggest stretch in this whole movie because I guarantee that dude was never scared at any moment in his life by anything ever.

There's some great Sunny Landum stories. One of my favorites. Arnold said he wanted to do a film like The Magnificent Seven where, quote, a team of guys worked together. Mission accomplished. This movie is directed by John McTiernan.

Chris, what did he do two years later? He did die hard. at that point you just retire I think but then you go off and you make Hunt for it October and like I mean

like this guy couldn't be stopped for what a resume yeah what a resume if you rip off Predator and die hard that could be a walkoff like that could be MJ going to play baseball

at that point where you're just like I'm just gonna make I don't know NYPD Blue episodes now the two greatest action movies ever back to back back to back

not even like 20 years apart produced by Joel Silver who has popped up on this podcast a lot as we keep doing the action stuff over and over again. Written by these two brothers, Jim and John Thomas, this is apparently true. Rocky Four comes out. He fights a Russian. I don't know if you guys have seen Rocky Four.

You're familiar with that movie. So there was a joke in Hollywood about Rocky Five, he's going to have to fight an alien because there's nobody left for him to fight. He's now going to Russia. What's next? Fight an alien. These guys hear that joke and they write a whole script. Hell, yeah.

then it becomes developed. They decide to make Arnold's in. They have to wait for Arnold. Everyone's waiting for Arnold in the 80s. It was like, it was Zimmer Stallone. You signed him up, and then you had to wait like 10 months until he was actually available. The Rocky guys didn't hear that joke because in Rocky 5, he doesn't fight an alien. He fights Tommy Morrison.

Tommy Gun, baby. Tommy Gunn. Tommy Gun. That was not an alien. It's unfortunate the Rocky guys that hear the joke. So they end up to do it. And we'll get to all this stuff with the shoot. but $15 million budget made $98 million.

It spawned three sequels. It spawned two Alien Predator movies. I hesitate to ask this, but Chey, the sequels and the Alien Predator movies, I'm assuming you like those? I didn't like Predator 2, but I do like Predators with Adrian Brody. Yeah.

That's the one that Robert Rodriguez produced, right? Yeah, sign me up for that one. That one's really good. And did you like The Predator, the Shane Black one? It was like, it was better than Predators. It can be third place on the list. That's fine. I know they did a lot of stuff with this, but they, it does feel like they squandered sequel stuff with this.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Danny Glover in the second one, I love Danny, but like, that's a tough act to follow. That's, it just didn't work. And Conchita Alonzo was cool and Paxton's cool, but it was a Jamaican gang in the city, and I lost it very quickly. It's a cool premise to be like, let's put the predator in a city, but it just has a completely different dynamic. My theory on the late 80s, early 90s action movies is that people had stopped doing cocaine at that point, but there were so many cocaine after effects that sometimes they were led to positives. Other times they led to predator too. A lot of rehab movies.

Yeah. This movie also spawned two governors, which I think, I'm trying to think what the what the fandual odds would have been on that. for the first 20 years of this movie of, or 15 years? When did, when did Ventura become Minnesota guy? That must have been in the 90s, actually. Sure. So I guess it would have been the first five years of this movie. The sneaky thing, Bill, is that your guy, Sunny was also running for governor.

There's a third almost is that Billy, the character was in politics and attempted to be on the Republican ticket for governor. There was going to be three. Wasn't it at Oklahoma, right? Was that where Sonny was running from? I don't remember the state, but he was dead serious and like almost there. They would have had three. Sunny's platform was like, I'm going to kill you if you don't vote for me. Like, literally, I will kill you.

And he almost won. It almost happened. This movie was nominated for an Oscar for Best Special Effects. And it got three stars from Roger Ebert, which I was very excited about. I was wincing as I clicked on the Roger Ebert. He said, quote, Predator moves at a breakneck pace, strong and simple characterizations, good location photography, terrific special effects, and it supplies what it claims to supply an effective action movie. It also, we, I mean, we cover this in Commando.

Commando kicks off Arnold as an A-List action star. This movie kicks off the famous Arnold run. You're gone. You're out of here. You're out of here. All-time ridiculous where you got Running Man, you get total recall and kindergarten cop and twins and T2, and it's just like it just doesn't stop. Yeah.

Well, the beginning of Commando, the first shot of Arnold, he's carrying the tree. And you're like, all right, this dude's huge. He's cutting the wood. The first shot of him here, he's just a full fucking rock star. star, just lighting the cigar, waiting for his roadies to get out of the chopper so he can take the stage. It's a star, Arnold, and then he just completely punks Dylan when he meets him out of the gates. Chris, do you remember, because I guess, well, Kyle and you were around the same age, but

do you remember the Apollo Creed piece of this? Because I just didn't really know Carl Weathers as anything other than Apollo Creed, and I feel like this opens the door to Action Jackson. Yeah, Action Jackson comes after that, which is actually like, obviously. very like underrated, I think, 80s. You're talking about rehab movies. Oh, my God. I like it.

It's got vanity and Sharon Stone. I don't think I knew of Carl Weather's outside of Apollo Creed. No. I honestly didn't know he was in other things. I just assumed he was a boxer that, I didn't know any better. I was in high school. I just assumed he was some boxer that they used for Rocky 4.

I didn't realize he had this whole acting piece. But yeah. So the Apollo Creed piece of this, and it's right after Rocky 4 where he dies. So it's kind of like he comes back to life a little bit. FYI, he's really playing Apollo Creed. Like, there's no difference between Dylan. And if you were like, hey, what are the three ways of Paulo Creed and Dylan are different?

You're like, I don't know. Is there a way? Same mustache. All right, fair. The cool thing is, though, is that his character in this movie is basically Paul Riser and aliens. Like, he's the rat character. Like, he's the one who's kind of sold these guys out a little bit without telling them the truth.

but then he's also like jacked up and still able to shoot a machine gun once he gets his arm shot off. Shay, is this your favorite rat character in an action movie? Because they don't sleep on the guy in Rambo First Blood Part 2, who doesn't tell him, Murdoch, I'm coming for you. Why this one is my favorite is because even after you find out that he basically sent him all into the jungle to die, you're still like, I love this guy. I'm not that mad. I'm not that mad about it.

He's very effective. How do you get mad at Carl Weathers? You can't. You can't. We're going to go to the categories because there's so much to cover here, but we'll take a quick break. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana. Selling your car should feel like one less thing on your list. Not one more.

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Carvana. Pick up fees may apply. All right. Most rewatchable scene. I'm going to rip through these if I left anything out, tell me. God, Arnold's seeing Carl Weather's just awesome. Dylan! Dylan!

You son of a bitch! Dylan! You son of a bitch! What's it matter? The CIA got you pushing too many pencils? Huh? It's so many things I like, including basically Dylan has to do the whole, we need the best, which I think is a staple of an action movie.

It's like, look, man. Dudes don't really do that anymore, you're the best. They're like, Kyle, you a piece of shit. Like, nobody greets each other that way anymore. Well, remember in the last dance when Jordan saw Byrd and he was like, fuck you bitch. And that's how we saw. That's what the Dutch just did

Dylan. It's perfect. Post pandemic when we're back in an office, Chris, I'm just going to greet you that way for the first three months. Chris, you fucking asshole.

What's it matter, Ryan? Ringer got you pushing too many pencils? It's in the running for most 80s movie scene that entire thing. And now it's become like a huge meme. The handshake

has become like this huge... Yeah. So you got that one. This isn't necessarily watchable, but I just got to flag it. The skin bodies revelation is pretty harrowing. It's just the movie does a 180 fast. Where it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to go find this alien.

Wait, are those skin bodies hanging up? What the fuck is going on here? The fact that they're up in the tree makes it so much more terrifying. Because if you just see them laying on the ground, you're like, all right, a person could have done that, but that they're hanging from 30 feet in the air, this is something serious is out here. Yeah. It suddenly becomes not as fun of a movie, even though it's an incredibly fun movie.

I just wrote down hostage rescue scene. The compound rate, yes, yes. I mean, you have, I don't know if this is in the script or Arnold AdLives it, but he lifts the truck to send the truck. Stallone would do this too, right? Or you'd have these moments where they would just like, let me just do something completely incongruous. for human behavior. I'm going to try to lift this truck from behind. He does it, sends it in.

There's just shooting all around. He rips off the stick around line, the knock knock line. Jesse rips off his iconic, I ain't got time to bleed. We get that whole thing. Son of the bitch is dug in like an Alabama tick. You're hit. You're bleeding, man. I ain't got time to bleed.

Oh. Okay. You got time to duck. It's a pretty unassailably great sense. minutes. He does the same thing in twins. There was like a stretch where he was just picking up the backs of cars. It's like, this is just going to be a thing I do in movies. All right. Go for it. Chris, anything we miss with the hostage rescue scene there? There's a lot of bullets being shot. Yeah, I was going to say that this has got one of the iconic 80s kills to me is when they machine

gun the dudes in the helicopter and they are really dead. And then they shoot a grenade into the helicopter. And this was just like 80s overkill. Like it would never just be like bang and walk away. It would be like two guys shoot people with M60s. And then another guy comes up with a grenade launcher and the helicopter explodes. Yeah. I love that they tell them it's like before they went into the jungle, they were like, hey, guys, these guns that you have, they all have. They only work from, you have to be 10 feet or closer.

And you got to shoot, you got to shoot them 60 times in the chest for it to work. And they're like, there's a part where Ventura. uses the gatling gun and he shoots a guy so many times that the guy catches on fire and he's like, what? Was that possible? All right.

All those guys have like the 80 stunt with like the, like the, they basically have like a vault that they jump on as soon as they get shot. Oh yeah. You go flying across the screen. I started thinking of my relationship with how I understood things like this

where he went into locations. Mm-hmm. and we didn't have the internet back then but you knew stuff was happening in Central America but you didn't really understand any of it. So just be like yeah, they're guerrillas and there's camps and it'd be like, okay

I have no idea how realistic it was that they're in the middle of nowhere there's dozens of people there's all this machinery and there's bullets and they're great like but why? What was the purpose? What was the

purpose of the camp? Do you want to get into slow burn Iran-Contra right now? Is that what it was you think? I think it's got some echoes of the Iran-Contra situation. Yeah, because there's Russians and there's the army, but then there's also like a rebel patrol and the CIA is there.

It was a great era because Cobra has this too where it's basically like we just need an excuse to put a bunch of bad guys in one place. We don't need to have them to have a purpose. It doesn't matter where this is. Commando, another one. This huge giant complex.

It's like, what's happening there? Why are all these people there? Are they going to work? Are they punching in? There's just some island off the coast of Santa Barbara. We're just going to go blow the shit out of it. It doesn't matter. But this is an entire decade of movies like this, right?

Over and over again, it's like, oh, man, well, we got to go to this spot. These people will be there and we'll shoot them, and they're all going to have terrible aim. As they shoot at us, they're going to miss. It'll be 10 feet away. Anyway, I love that scene. Next one I wrote down was, what's got Billy so. spooked. Oh my God. Because one sunny

Landum gets scared. Billy, I would watch a mini film that's just a compilation of Billy tracking. Like Billy being like, I don't know, Major. Can't quite figure it out. Staring at the trees. It's funny because it's not much different than his 48 hours character

Billy Bear. Same kind of thing where he's just kind of looking around, surveying the scene. Never seems scared. Super intimidating. Hawkins has some trouble here. And then we get the What in God's name? Yeah, it's pretty scary.

Which I always enjoy. Next one I wrote down was Jesse dies, which leads to Bill Duke's what the fuck face. I don't know what's scary or Sunny Landon being scared or Bill Duke being scared. What is more disarming? Neither person should be scared ever. Yeah. So what I really like about this Bill Duke performance,

there's a hundred things. But one of them is that Billy is, is very open, like, I'm afraid right now. I'm a little bit scared. When Bill Duke gets nervous or, like, intimidated, he just fucking sprints at the predator. He's like, I don't know what to do. I'm just, here we go, and just takes off running after him.

Like, he never looks like visibly afraid, but you can tell he's afraid on the inside. And he's like, this is the only reaction that I know how to do because this is my life is, like, yes, I'm going to fight this alien in the jungle right now. I think Mack is the heart of the movie. I really do. Like, I know that Dutch is the lead, but I think Mack has the full character arc.

And there's that great part where he's just lost. And Dutch is going, Mac, Mac, Sargent! And he, like, looks at him. And then I'm like, dude, I'm freaked out. Like, I want to go home because Mac is terrified and he's trying to cut his face off with a razor. Like, he's completely lost his mind. He's the best character. It's amazing.

I know. Yeah. So good. Why wasn't Bill Duke in every Arnold movie? I would have thought after the first two, Arnold was just like, this guy's in my movie. like we're just, we're working him in. It's like Eric Stoltz and Noah Bomback. Squeezing him in.

Don't talk back. This also includes the 90 seconds of gun firing, which is intentional. Yeah. Probably the smartest moment of this movie, right? McTiernan's basically making fun of American action movies. And these guys, and meanwhile, they're shooting at nothing.

Nothing happens. They just destroy a jungle. But it serves the story because then Bill Duke's character is like, I shot 200 rounds at that thing. straight point blank and I didn't hit anything. Arnold tries to lure the predator out when they catch him and then all of a sudden he's gone is a really good scene. I wrote down this for the next one.

Apollo dies, Sunny dies. Get to the Chapa. Arnold jumps in water, mud disguise. Just have that all in a row. Perfect. Yeah, perfect. Get to the chopper now. That's exactly what the script said.

And they went to shoot it. It's word for word. I want to ask one question about when Arnold is, when they do the Nets thing. Kyle, do you think that when Pancho gets hit with the log, they would have played the injury jazz music like they do over NFL? Like when a guy, when a guy blows out his knee and it's just like, we'll be right back. It's like, dun da dun. And they come back on commercial and Jim Nant says, well, folks, we have a very tough piece of footage to show you here. If you're sensitive, please look away.

Please look away. And then there's a 7,000 pound log going into Pancho. And Pancho's like, I can make it. I know you can't Pancho. Yeah, they're taping them up. They're taking it. He's going to try and give it a go. You knew in the mid-80s, you knew when you saw Paco, there was not making it to the end.

Pacho was going. He was done. Arnold making the weapons is really enjoyable. It's a little reminiscent of John Wick going to buy all of his stuff when we just get to see John Wick loading guns and getting bullets ready and stuff like that. And same thing with Rambo in First Blood, when Rambo's making like his makeshift. I could watch people make weapons in the jungle all day. It's basically my point.

Castaway made $400 billion just doing that. Yeah, it's always going to win. Predator catches Arnold, takes his mask off. Arnold says, you're one ugly motherfucker. Ugly motherfucker. The mask was great. It was a big deal in the mid-80s. This, the thriller makeup,

there weren't a lot of, you know, great special effects mass stuff. America Werewolf in London. But this was like, this holds up. I think it's really good. Then the ending would be the last one. Any rewatchable scenes did I miss? Yeah.

What I miss, Chris. So I don't want to introduce a whole new category here, but as we've been doing this podcast for a while, I've noticed that there's something that almost goes beyond a rewatchable scene. And I would put it into the category of the Zapruder scene. It's the scene that you basically rewind frame by frame to watch again and again and again. And for me, the Zapruder scene of Predator

is the guys getting off the chopper and getting to see what these guys wear in their casual life. Before they get all suit it up. Talk about it. So let's just go through really quickly. I just want to break this down. So Jesse Ventura's first off the chopper, he's wearing a black MTV t-shirt tucked in jeans. Thumbs up, already into blame.

Second, he's evidently his best friend in the unit, Bill Duke, full business suit. Yep. Business suit. No explanation where he's coming from. why he's wearing a business suit. His best friend's wearing a t-shirt. No idea. Second, so third, go ahead.

It's not funny to watch, but when you're saying here right now. Third is poncho. He's wearing a short sleeve button up, but it's unbuttoned to his navel with a gold chain. I won't bring in this back. As soon as we're back after vaccines, I'm dressing like poncho all summer. Then Hawkins, just a tank top.

That's cool. and Billy sick tricolored windbreaker. And then Dutch is just wearing a bright red polo. You're right. Like he's just kind of like lunch at the golf club, but he had to come down to Central America. It's just unreal how good that is. So you think there's a wardrobe designer for all of that?

Yeah. And they were all talking to these guys like, oh, well, Blaine was probably at like Monsters of Rock when he got a ball. Headbanger's ball. Yeah, exactly. He was hanging out with Ricky Rackman. Shay, what do you have for most rewatchable scene?

You know what I think it is? I think this is a dumb pick, but I'm a shooting into the jungle guy. I love everything about it because there's so many times when you watch any sort of movie, an action movie especially, where they're like, okay, what's this like a metaphor for or whatever? and this one is just like some guys shooting in the jungle. I love that. I love that it's Bill Duke first, just unloading everything he has and then picking up the Gatling gun too.

I love everybody running in behind them. Nobody asks any questions. They're just like, he's shooting, I'm shooting too. They have this great shot of like what the jungle looks like before they start. And then you see it afterward and it's all, it's just destruction. And it's like they just ruined this whole patch of, It's going to take 400 years for this to grow back right now for no reason at all.

And it's terrifying the part afterward that Chris mentioned, and they do all of that and you realize it didn't help. Nothing happened. They nicked the thing. There's a little blood on a piece of a leaf or something. And that's it. That, to me, is the one that I just get the most excited about seeing. Nobody's saying anything.

It's just guys being dudes being guys. And I'm like, all right. I want to watch that for, I would watch. 45 minutes of that one scene. What do you got, Kyle? I think it's the main event. I think it's Dutch versus the Predator at the end. We had never seen Arnold go up against someone bigger and stronger than him at that point.

I mean, this was like when Batman fought Bain, and he's like, holy shit, this guy can kick my ass. And I just think we had just seen him in Commando where he's fighting Bennett, who's built like Bartolo Colon and like we're in chain mail. And now we go against a seven-footer who's just beating his. ass and we've never we've never seen that before that's me is everything. That's a good call. He looks scared. He looks scared. What do you have Chris?

Other than the wardrobe scene. I think for me it's it's like it's that slasher film sequence of when it starts to pick off all those guys and like the when Blaine gets killed and this the way Blaine gets killed because like Jesse Jesse Ventura's like chest just turns into red powder like when it when that thing goes through him and you're just like, uh, is anyone going to live in this movie? This is crazy. So I think it's like the slothers.

the slasher movie part, I would say that scene particularly. That's a good call. Is this the same scene as the one I had where it's Apollo dies, Sunny dies, get to the chopper, Arnold jumps into the water, mud disguise? Yeah, all right, I'm going with that as well. What's age the best? The first sight of Arnold and the copter smoking a cigar is just aged fantastic. It looks like he's filming a cigar-oficionado magazine shoot, but that magazine hasn't existed yet.

We didn't talk about Arnold's battle cry. We'll talk about it. What's age the best? Yeah. Unbelievable job by him. Craig, we'll play it right now. It lasts like 12 seconds. Great acting by him.

Oh, excellent. The pipes. And like, really, it's the last one of a trio because you get one from the predator when he's fixing himself. And then when Dylan dies with the blade, he has like a guttural roar too. So there's a lot of muscles and screaming,

but Arnold brings the house to him. You know what else it was? Another fuck you to slice the loan. Slag climbs the mountain, does the jogger. And Schwartznager's like, yeah, that wasn't good enough. When we do this, I'm going to have a fucking Lord of the Flies horn and I'm going to scream for 12 seconds with my shirt off.

Jesse Ventura's gun, I think, is at what's age the best, just as like an incredible movie prop. Old painless. Oh, painless. Oh, my Lord. The one-liners. Which a lot of these have, as soon as YouTube was created and rounded in a form, I feel like the Arnold one-liner movie YouTube clip was like one of the first five things

somebody put together. Get to the chop, I'll stick around. I also like the, if it bleeds, we can kill it. Amazing line. Which I think would be an amazing high school yearbook quote for the kids out there. Don't you think Bill two of that also has another Rocky Four thing where if it bleeds, we can kill it is just Drago and he's cut. He's not a machine.

He's a man. It's the same thing. The mythology of this movie has aged incredibly well. This is a great internet movie. We'll cover some of it in here. But just a cliff notes, 100 degrees, humid bugs everywhere. Lots of bugs and ant stories and people just get eaten alive. Whole crew has diarrhea.

Whole crew diarrhea the entire time. Yeah. It's a diarrhea fast people. Can you imagine what this set smelled like? Oh, my God. They made this huge mistake filming in the summer and the jungle was brown. So they had to have this makeshift green. they had to move around from scene to scene,

so it seemed more green and lush. Von Daim getting fired as the predator. Look, this could have been its own podcast. There's an oral history that has six different versions of what might have happened. Nobody can agree. When I say nobody can agree, the stories are so different.

At one point, he's not in the film at all. And other things, the mask was too hot. He was too short. He snapped back at the thing. It's like, I still don't. don't know what happened. There's 5 a.m. weightlifting session stories about Carl Weather's getting competitive and all these dudes. They would get up in the middle of the night to start pumping. Yeah. So that's all out there. And then the reshoot of the final third of the film, which is pretty

unorthodox. What else? What else did you notice? Chris? Anything else? For what's age the best? No, just for like the mythology of this movie. Oh, I mean, I mean, my favorite stuff is honestly, I mean, this is kind of half as internet research stuff. But the fact that they've got the most notorious famous screenwriter of the 80s on the set, but he's an actor. And they're like, but you'll do rewrites, right? And he's like, fuck you do rewrites. I'm here to just like play the part. And they basically, like the rumors they paid him back by killing him off first.

It's because he wouldn't do free rewrites. But that being said, McTiernan's like, Shane Black would just be sitting around at like the cafeteria or like the lunch table and would say the big as a house joke or something. And that would just wind up in the movie. Yeah. Morewood's age the best.

Sunny Landum. Yeah. Talk about it. What a character. What an amazing character. Chris, tell me when you want to have the Sunny Landum talk. Is it now?

Is it later? Do it now. Look, there's a run where like from like 70, whatever. Like I would to say like, you know, escape from New York and alien and those movies through this period of time where the people who were in these action movies like felt very authentic. Not necessarily like dudes that you knew. But, like, if you told me, like, Sunny Landham, like, if I just saw him at a bar, I would be like, oh, you know, you want to get the beer first? That's cool. Go for it. Take my chair. Yeah. They feel like authentically rugged dudes. You know what I mean? It's like Yafet Koto in Alien is like an authentically, yeah, right. But like, I think when you see Sunny Landem, you're just like, I need to know everything about this dude. You know what I mean? You just, you're drawn to him. He's such a great character actor.

these movies. Yeah, it's 48 hours. I don't know if he really says anything in that movie. I don't know if he has more than one line of dialogue. And he's so indelible.

It's such a hard thing to pull off. And, you know, when he cuts across his chest in this movie, like, I remember seeing that the first time. And I was like, I am freaking out.

What is happening? I also think it just seems, it does seem very method. Like, when he's doing the tracker stuff, and he's doing that stuff about there were 12 guerrillas they came in from the north

six men wearing U.S. issued army boots and they were shooting in all direction I'm like Jesus Billy, holy shit, you know all that stuff I'm just looking around and he's like some sort of Doctor Strange thing and it's incredible as hell because he owns that man

you can tell he was out in the woods for a while. You know, I was thinking trying to decide whether he was a unicorn or not and I think he was even though we don't, even though he wasn't a major star but Shay, I'm just going to name action movies

that Sunny Land just tell me if Sunny Landon would have made them better. Roadhouse. Yes. He's the big bad. Get rid of the guy that Patrick Swayze fights. Die hard.

Yes. Get rid of the big sweet, the guy who... Carl. Carl. Get rid of Carl. Point break. Yeah. Get rid of Anthony Ketus.

Bring him Sunny Landon. That's a whole different fight. That's a whole different fight right there. My point is Sunny Landon put him in anything in the movie's better. The English patient. Yeah. Put him and throw them in there. It's better.

It's better. More what stage the best? Jesse Ventura, who they catch at an incredible point in his career, where he's basically what Charles Barkley became for basketball, he was for wrestling. He was the first great wrestling competitor. He had stopped wrestling at this point, but wrestling had really ascended. He was one of the reasons why, because of his announcing, didn't know he could act. It was pretty novel.

Kyle's smiling again. Ventura makes you happy as an actor. He does. And the way that Chris talked about him getting off the helicopter and MTV shirt sets the tone. He and the gorilla monsoon doing play-by-play were unbelievable. And then all he did, listen, that line about ain't got time to bleed. You can mess that line up. You can make it lame.

You could try to sell it too much. He says very no nonsense. He just spits it out like I got a job to do. That became the title of Jesse Ventura's autobiography. I ain't got no time to bleed. And it's absolutely perfect. A little bit of screen time. It was his first movie.

But every second he's on screen, you can't look away. It was also, I'm putting this in what's age the best, just a brilliant move to grab somebody from the WW universe, which is something now that has become a staple of, let's grab this UFC fighter, like fast five grabs Ronda Rousey. It's finally gone off the rails as John Cena is playing Dom Torado's brother,

which Shay and I, we've never talked about it. I don't know if I'm ready to talk about it yet. I know you're not, and I don't think we should talk about it now, but we will at some point on my podcast. We should. And Rousey is Inferious 7.

Right. And then they did Gina Carano was the other one, right? Yes. They pulled her in there, but this whole concept of pulling people from these little mini universes. Well, the number one example of this, right?

Yeah, but he's, like, overqualified. But he's doing the Jesse Ventura playbook, especially if he gets elected president next. I feel like Rock, the Rock watched this, watch Predator a bunch of times, and it's just pissed off that he hasn't had his own version of yet.

it's kind of the hole in his resume, right? Unless you say Fast 5, it's his version of predator. Because didn't he make that movie the rundown, the Pete Berg movie? Yes. Christopher walking. Yeah.

That's a fun movie. That's a fun movie. And that kind of has a little bit of running through the jungle vibes. Yeah. All right. Let's do it. In other words,

age the best. Richard Chavez is poncho. Shee, 80s, Latino actors, moments. Where does he rank for you? Better or worse than almost. By the way, we're going to be able to go through them quickly over the next 40 seconds. We could do every single one of them, and I wouldn't have to take a breath.

But this guy's showing up. What was like really jumped out at me is they don't really say anybody's name for the most part. They barely like mention Pancho at all. But they call him Ramirez at one point. And you're like, oh shit, wait a second. Like that's like it snaps together in your head when you hear him say the name. I think this is like the first time I was watching the movie that I heard. the last name Ramirez in something.

I probably haven't heard it since, honestly. But hearing it in there. And I was like, oh, they got that he fucking, he could live two blocks away from me. I know 17 Ramirez is like at Southwest High School in San Antonio. Remember they did make the shirts that have everybody's names on the back of like the senior class. And the Ramirez section is fucking four inches long because there's just so many of them. To hear the name in the movie, I just automatically love. I didn't even remember like what the character or who he was or what he did, but I just loved him instantly.

It's interesting that they named them Pancho because Ponce was like on chips in the late 70s, early 80s, who I think was the only, how many Mexican, Latino, anybody were on hit TV shows? He might have been the only one. And they put so little creativity. They were just like, she would name him Ponsch? No, we can't do that. That was the Chips guy. It's still too close. Just add an O.

We'll call him Ponsch. Just add an O to it. The, I have two more, what's age the best. the fact that the first predator suit failed, and they had to halt production, but then they brought Stan Winston in. He builds us, Stain Winston saves the day with this movie,

because I think we would all agree that this movie is just half as good if the predator suit is fucked up. If that suit, if the special effects, it falls apart. Absolutely. Look, I'm going to be on a corner alone on this, but the shame black pussy jokes fucking kill me. Here's my.

Which one do you like? they're so bad and it's so unbelievable that they tried it that I've actually come around now. I'm like, I actually, it's almost like performance just go completely over the top as much as they can. It feels very 80s to me. It's the 80s piece of it that has aged well for me. Well, it's good character stuff. Like Hawkins, that character, like, we know that guy. Like, Hawkins is into like big Johnson T-shirts.

You know, he's a big pull-my-finger guy. Like, that's it. It looks like he, and the chopper, it looks like Hawkins is like reading the New Yorker. You know, like, he looks up for a second. I'm like, that's all text. It's not Playboy. I thought he was reading Dunesbury. It's funny that he was played by a writer, but somehow the character made no sense and is going in nine different directions.

Like he couldn't even figure out his own character. Any other would stage the best for you guys? Yeah, I got a couple. You are, by the way, on that corner by yourself, by just fine. Appreciate it. What's age the best? For me, there were two. Number one, and I don't even know if we should count this or not,

but to me, Arnold has never looked better in a movie. He's never been cooler. He's never been more convincing. And we talked about it when we did the commando pod, and they have the part where they are threatening to murder his daughter in front of him, and he doesn't do anything at all. Like, he doesn't react at all. But in this one, there's a great shot where he's looking at the predator

when he's, like, tangled himself in the vines. and he's looking up at him. And I can't remember another time where I saw Arnold's eyebrows go in the direction that they go here because normally they angle down to show that he's mad. And in this one,

they go up in the front and like, oh shit, like he's really afraid. He just looks great. He's so cool in this movie. He's never better. But my pick for what's age is the best is the actual structure of the movie.

I love the way that they do this. We get that first scene that Chris walked us through where they all show up. And they make it very clear, okay, Arnold is the man here. He's the one that this is all going to eventually get to. But then he steps out of the way. And for like the next hour, we're just with the other guys.

Yeah. Learning about them, like becoming attached to them so that they can just be murdered in front of us. And then the last 30 minutes, it's Arnold. He's back again. And it's like one on one versus this thing. You don't realize that like that's going to happen until you get through the slaughter scene. You figure, oh, there's going to be like one versus five guys. they're all going to battle this thing

and it ends up not being that and I think that's really really smart way to handle this movie well it's the 80s horror film formula right you start out with the six babysitters then there's one left at the end that's got a battle the whatever this is basically

a horror movie I think it's more of a horror movie than an action movie but we think of it as an action movie but same kind of premise anymore what stage is best for you Kyle I mean the score score's unbelievable thank you thank you Kyle I mean it's so it's so creepy, it makes your skin crawl.

This is Alan Sylvestery, right off of Back to the Future, which I think is the best score of all time. And it's just, the second they get in the jungle, we went from that crazy little Richard, and then it's just those bongos hit, and you're immediately uncomfortable,

and you feel like there's a scorpion crawling on you. And I just really think early Arnold, one of his biggest secret weapons, like his movies always had an awesome score. Like the Terminator of that, like, da-na-da-da-da-da. And even the commando with the steel drums and then Running Man's scores,

like really kind of cool and whimsical. And this thing, I mean, it's a major character in the movie every time because it puts you in the jungle. I think it's aged beautifully. Chris Ryan loves scores and cinematography are his two of us. They're both great here. What's your Wednesday best, Chris? Heat vision.

The thermal vision. Nice. Because so they, you know, I think there's a lot of ways to show how hot it is. Obviously, they can just oil these dudes up. They can just make it seem like really swell. altering. She talks about how this thing only seems to happen during the hottest summers. But the heat vision is kind of dope because it's like, it really kind of makes them look kind of like alien. They are the aliens on the landscape. And I just thought, I remember, like, it's still actually

like, it still plays. Even though it's kind of low phi, it's still kind of cool to imagine like, this is how this thing is seeing these people. I don't have a lot for Woodsage the worst. Predator two I had in there. We've discussed. Tough beat for Hawkins's girlfriend. You know what I mean? She loses her boyfriend and also gets those jokes made about her. Yeah, she's in there. The mud disguise, I'm going with Wood's Asia Worse, where he comes out of the water and there's no, no, listen. Hold on, listen to me.

I'm just saying as a nitpick, he comes out of the water, he crawls on the mud for a second, and then the next shot of Arnold, it's like he was underneath mud for an hour and a half getting ready. It's just not realistic. It's like a switch flips. My other one's ages of worst is the hostage. I don't really understand the hostage and her purpose in this movie.

It's like, was she on the good side? Was there going to be... I don't think there's a good side in this. There's not a good bad dynamic here. I feel like they could have played it differently. I don't know if they talked the hostage out enough. I think the hostage should have been like initially she's, but then she's on their side

and they never figured it out. It's like there was the alien side, there was Arnold's side, and then she's kind of over here in her own movie and I didn't really ever, that never clicked with me. If they make this movie now, they use that hostage as a way to show

like how serious the stakes are. They kill her off immediately. They're like, nobody is safe. Nobody's going to get safe. You have to have that, when you're doing this in the 80s, because you need that final shot, like her and the chopper seeing, like,

oh, they saved her. Even though you kind of don't know, like, why, who she was, what they were doing, what the point of it is. No, our girl, Ray Don Chong and, in Commando earns it. By the end, it's like,

hey, they're starting a family. This is great. I'm glad they made it. That's exactly why I like this movie so much is because there's actually not a ton of logic to who gets killed in this movie. Because this thing is a super killer. It's like, it's not like in a horror movie

where it's like, oh, the couple that had sex is going to get killed. or the mean girl is going to get killed. It's just random. It's kind of random and it's kind of random that she lives. But I thought her story about, like, in the hottest summers, this, like, I've heard stories about this happening was really cool. Yeah, you needed that.

And she's so fucking scared when Hawkins gets killed, when she gets sprayed with blood and then she just keeps talking about the jungle coming alive. That's like a pretty effective moment. I would have killed her right after that. Joel Silver wanted her around. And if you notice, the buttons on whatever shirt she's wearing by the, end of the movie, the buttons is, I think Joel was like, all right, scene 38, we need to lose

one more button because there's cleavage for like the last third of the movie. It makes no sense, but this is why it's a typical 80s movie. We're going to take a break and I have some good casting what ifs for you. All right, casting what ifs? We mentioned von Dom. Apparently he's 5'9. Does that sit right for you guys? Yeah, he's a tiny guy. Okay. Well, a lot of people said he just seemed too small in the suit. And then there's all the other things as we talked about. One of the six versions of this is Vandam passed out in the suit. And that was when they had to get rid of him.

I have no idea. I have no idea what's real. Bill, I think for anybody listening, understand, when Bill says the suit, he's not talking about the predator's suit that you see in the movie. This is a whole different piece of bullshit where he looks like Cuber. Like it says he's orange. He's got a nose. it's ludicrous.

You can actually see it on YouTube. Well, the suit was so crazy that when they did the chase scenes, the guy who ended up playing the predator, the 7'foot 2 guy, like he couldn't see. So he had to like memorize which ways to run and stuff like that

because he didn't know where he was going. He, that guy, Kevin Peter Hall, he's in the end of the movies, the helicopter pilot. They squeezed them in so he could get some FaceTime. God damn. He plays two parts. And then do you guys know

what the original title of this movie was? Hunter's. Hunter. I think of Fred Dreyer. That's way worse. That's why they got rid of it because Fred Dreyer was in Hunter. He was killing it at the time, yeah. No, no, he was way better.

They still have the screenplay is online and you can see the original title page and it says like Schwarzenegger Hunter. It's cool. When Chris and I write a movie, it's going to be called Hunter, I feel like. It combines all of our interests. It's just some sort of heist where somebody gets hunted after. best that guy, aka the Joey Pants Award.

I'll give you R.G. Armstrong as the old guy. Friday the 13th, the series, Dukes of Hazard. I'll give you Richard Chavez as Poncho because I just knew him as Poncho from this point on. You see him in anything, it's like, Poncho. And then this is the Dark Horse for this category is Opeedia Carrillo, or Carrillo, probably, who played the hostage, who I've never seen again.

No. I think the answer to this is R.G. Armstrong, but I'll give... He's a quintessential back guy. Yeah, I read that McTiernan, I openly admitted that he was way too old for the role, but then they made him really tan because they thought that would make him look younger. He has a couple of scenes, it works. His face at the end, when he's in the helicopters, all they need. The Vincent Hanna, give me all you got a word.

Boy, it's a tough one to... It's a tough one to narrow down, but I think Bill Duke, when he dials it up, when he does say, I'm going to have me some fun. Great, great moment. And he just loses his mind. Going to cut your name right out of them. He's really exploring the studio space. Yeah.

So he wins that easily. The Judd Nelson Award for the person who just appears to be in a slightly different movie than everybody else has to go to the hostage. I'm still not positive that she easily could have just been in proof of life. I don't know. You could have just moved her around. different things. All right, this is going to get tough. Deanne Waiters Award.

Yep. So what are the qualifications here? Because these guys do get a pretty equal. We're bending in a little bit. Basically, Arnold's the only one who's not eligible for the Deon Waders Award. We're making all the other guys eligible. I don't think Carl Weather should be eligible. Fair.

I've just, Sunny Landem's getting it. So I don't really care what you guys think. Over Jesse the body? Yeah. Well, all right, let's litigate it. Let me do it. Let me do mine first because it's not. not any of y'all's because i because i was going to argue for i was going to argue for apollo

creed okay i think he i think he's great because this is a version that we've not seen like similar to bill i only knew him as apollo creed and apollo creed on the screen was like the coolest most confident most capable person i'd ever seen and then he gets in this movie and he and he's the bad soldier like he trips and he gives away the location and bill dukes like if you do that again i'll kill you he gets duped by the hostage he gets his fucking arm blown off. I've never seen this version of him. But watching all that happen, watching him get his arm blown off, and then watching him when that happens, not just die, he's like, I've got another arm. I'm going to try with this one now.

And then he gets killed. How about his other up still shooting the gun? I enjoyed that part. That's how much fight is in an Apollo cream. How damaging that was to see that at a young age? Oh, the Apollo's arm coming up? Yeah. It's hard to watch now.

And I was just like, uh, his arm comes off and you're just at home screaming, throw the damn towel. It looks so good now. It still looks great. Who do you have for damn waiters cow? Listen, I really like the case that Shay is making because Dylan is, Dylan is not cool. Dylan is not a cool guy. When Matt fucking breaks him and he does that when he slips and he just, you're ghosting us,

motherfucker. Slip in a line one more time. I bleed you. real quiet, leave you here. He's done. He turns into Rieke to Ramsey Bolton. He is broken at that point, so much so that at the end of his character arc, he tries to make up for it and goes to try to be a hero. Maybe we can do this together. Mac, you and me, and Max's like,

you're a bitch and I know it, but you can help me if you want. I actually think Dylan's a really interesting choice. Chris? I'm, you know, I'm riding for Sunny with you. Come on. There's a Jesse the Body case for the pure spirit of Deanne Waiters because he's not in that many scenes. He only has a few lines. He spits on Carl Weather's shoe. He says,

it got time to bleed. He uses old painless, and then he has one of the most insane deaths in an action movie ever. I think for the traditional limits of Deanne Waiters, he's probably the answer, because Sonny's in it a lot.

I like Shay's point. I like, and it's, I don't think this is the same movie without Carl Weathers. Let's go, Carl Weathers, baby. Recasting Couch. She's going to give this to

just because it feels periodious to me. What about Apollonia as the hostage? Why would she be in Central America? Like three years off Purple Rain. We haven't seen her in a while. I don't know why she's in Central America. What about are you talking about? I don't know.

Why would she be in Central America? Listen, why is anything in Central America? Why is anyone else there? She's supposed to be there. She's working out like she's hanging out in the jungle. Like, why would Apollonia is just in Central America in 1937? What about Elizabeth Schew for the hostage? That's right.

That's good one too. I like that idea. Ali Sheedy, what's she doing? You know, would be good luck. Kelly LaRock? So you guys wouldn't recast anything. This is perfect. I think the Shane Black part

is probably the part you would recast. Yeah, you could get rid of it. You could do that. With like Cory Feldman? With your guy. With Paxton? Oh, my God. Yeah.

Forget about it. Because that's the thing is that Poncho has Hicks energy from aliens. You need the Hudson and the Hicks. I had an idea for that the, it's a young Damon Wayans. Okay. Where you get just the young, wisecracking, sarcastic guy. I think this movie, Shane Black, that's kind of who he's supposed to be, but I actually,

I think they could have veered the other way, almost like an early, early, early Chris Rock part. He would have been too young for this. But somebody who can just whip off some one-liners, make fun of how big Arnold's arms are and stuff like that. have fast internet research mentioned the diarrhea the screenwriter Jim Jim Thomas said there was so much weightlifting that he thought the phrase manly men was coined during Predator and actually became a thing in America

it was apparently really cold in the Mexican jungle sometimes so they would have to have heat lamps and there were always hills and just it sounds like just a miserable experience the water was disgusting there were leeches all this stuff Schwarzenegger did a prank on Ventura.

He had the wardrobe department make believe Ventura's arms were one inch bigger than Schwarzenegger's. Ventura bragged about it. And then Arnold circled it back around and said, no, no, I told them to do that. Can you believe they're actually comparing the size of the arms? I mean, guys, why don't you just whip it out and get it over with? They probably did. That wasn't in my research.

The Predator's Blood. Shea. what soda do you think was in the predator's blood seven up Mountain Dew yeah oh I was so close I was so close Mountain Dew inside glow sticks and K Y jelly

that's how we got the predator that's the exact ingredients in Mountain Dew that's all that it is no kidding that's it's glow sticks and KY jelly the uh the gurgling noises were made by the voice guy for Peter Cullen

who um they the producers wanted predator to have a voice. He didn't know what to do. And then he remembered a dying horseshoe crab and how if he turned it over, it would gurgle, which apparently choked a jet. So he decided that should be the predator's sound. Awesome. Which is why they did that. This is in the running for best half-ass internet research tidbit of all time. The studio's insurance company would not agree to insure the production unless a bodyguard was hired for Sunny Landum. why?

Because they felt like they needed to protect other people from him. Oh shit. He was so crazy. They decided this. Apparently there was some dance thing where he was on the floor licking people's legs and they were like, we got a fucking, this guy could ruin our movie. What do you mean dance thing? Like they had like a dance off on the set of predator?

There was some dance for there. Somewhere in the off weekend, they went to some dance club and Sunny Landon was crawling around, licking. people. And that's when they decided to get a bodyguard. The bodyguard followed him everywhere. He's apparently a legendary hothead. Landem or the bodyguard? Landem. Who takes that assignment? Robert Sala, the new Jets head coach, when he was the defense coordinator of the Niners. He had a person on staff specifically. His only job was to pull Sala back off the field so he wouldn't get a personal file. He was the Sala wrangler. Only job. Just pull him back.

They get back coach. So I feel like Sonny had a get back bodyguard. which is perfect. It probably needed it. How many minutes of screen time do you think The Predator has? Like in the actual suit? In the actual movie, how many times? How many minutes do we see him?

15. Six minutes. Eight minutes. Eight minutes. Oh, I was going to say seven. Damn it. Eight minutes. This was the third film

where Arnold wore a Seiko, a Seiko model, Divers Watch. Does that you say it's Seiko? Seiko. Seiko. A diver's watch. watch, which has since been nicknamed the Arnold.

It is highly sought after by collectors. Regularly trades for values in excess of its original retail cost. The distinctive black color and stainless steel fitting suitably compliment Schwarzenegger's exaggerated arm muscles. Kyle, you might need this. You've been working out a lot during the pandemic. I might need to get a Seiko. I know that that Seiko gets a close-up shot in Commando when he learns it's 12 hours exactly to Valverde. So if my daughter's ever kidnapped,

I'm going to get the Seiko and just bam. And then I'm going to jump out the plane and not break my legs. Were you disappointed they didn't go to Valverde here that there wasn't like a jungle part of Valverde? It's called the open universe. You know, there's a crossover. Like there could have been a universe where they went to Valverde. It would have been awesome.

This last piece is sad. This is a bummer. The guy, Kevin Peter Hall, he died at age 35. He contracted HIV while receiving a blood transfusion on the set of Harry and the Hendersons. Oh, my God. He played Harry. He played Harry. So yeah, he was, I think he was playing, I guess, Harry in the TV show.

He played Harry in that movie. And that was it. That was how he died. So that was a box. Apex Mountain. Arnold Schwarzenegger. No. The answer is no.

We've already litigated this. The answer is no, but I would argue yes. That's how I feel about it. Well, Shay, I remember when you, I remember you said that you said the Predator is your favorite Arnold movie. And Bill and I were kind of like, is it definitely better than T2? you say yes. I agree with Shea that Predators

Let's go, Christopher Ryan. I would say that this is Apex Mountain for Arnold Schwarzenegger movies, but not for Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh, I like that. That's a great answer. I think that's the correct answer. Carl Weathers.

Yes. No. No. Oh, I guess there's a great highlight real moment, but it can be Apex Mountain. He's put down four Rockies. He had a great testing in Rocky 4. He has Predator and Action Jackson

back to back right here. Predator leads to Action Jackson. Yeah. He becomes... Okay. God damn, he'd have bit my hand off. Chubs, too.

Jesse the Body Ventura, I think yes. More than being the governor of Minnesota? Was that an APEX or is that a NADIR? He was the governor of Minnesota for four years or eight years. But he was simultaneously, like the Charles Barkley of the W.W.B. at this point. Okay.

There's a case. Sunny Landham. Probably. I think, yeah, I'm gonna, yeah, this is a yes. It sounds like personally he was going on a downward trajectory. But yeah, like this movie, like he's awesome in this movie. This is the first movie I think of when I hear the name, Sunny Lamb. Bill Duke.

No, deep cover? No. Yeah, okay. Guys dropping from a helicopter and camouflage. Yes. I was trying to think, is there a better moment of that ever? Do they do that in platoon? I don't know.

Maybe. It's not near as fun. No, it's not as heavy. This is as fun as it gets. This seemed like scarier than when they normally do this in movies, where you're kind of watching this go, how the fuck are they doing this? Where they're just dropping ropes and the guys are just kind of, it seems like they're free falling down.

I know they didn't do that. I'm going to say Apex, yes for jungle aliens. Yeah. Alpedia Carillo. I'm going to say yes. Body butter. I still feel like it's Fast Five. Rock is just hot tub body buttering that movie.

for two hours. He's just climbing in a vat of body butter each scene. The only body butter argument for Predator Bill would be when they're doing that ridiculous DIY trap where they're pulling down the tree. Yeah. And Dutch says to Dylan, why don't you stop complaining and help?

The next time we see Dylan, he has decided to take off his shirt completely. And he is just lathered as shit. He looks great. Superfluous, but that's the butter. Great. Great point. This leads me to one of the most important

Apex Mountain questions ever. dissected in the same. Chris, I don't know if you're ready for this. Okay. We've done a lot of Apex Mountains together. This is going to be a hard way. And we have a complete and total handle on what Apex Mountain is. That's what people love about this. At this point, we're headed toward 200 movies. We do. Was this the Apex Mountain for Carl Weathers' death scenes? Here are the nominees. Go for it. Rocky Four, Predator and Happy Gilmore.

Is this... Carl Weathers, ironically, has had three of the greatest deaths I would say those are three of the ten most important death scenes. Is he the Daniel DeLuess of dying? He needs one more for the Mount Rushmore. I don't know. Maybe there was another one died. But anyway, what was his best death scene? So the candidates, just going through them,

happy Gilmore, he sees the alligator that bit his arm off and gets so scared, flies backwards at the window. Rocky four, Rocky doesn't throw the damn towel. Partly Apollo's fault. feel like Apollo is asking for it in a lot of ways, but Rocky, the blood's on his

hands too. Is there a doctor here? And then Predator, it's like a 12 second death scene. His arms off, his he's sweating. He's swinging. He loses one arm. Yeah. They go into slow motion.

They really draw it out. I feel like this is the winner. I have to go with Rocky 4 because you expect everybody to die in this. emotional. It's so emotional. Rocky For is so emotional. Yeah. Specifically the moment when they show from far away

and his body like shakes, tremble like afterward and you're like, oh God, something's really, really bad right now. And also, if you're sprinkling in the aftermath where Rocky's like, somebody's going to call doctor! And Drago's sneering at him. And if he does, he does. And I guess that was a better scene. Kyle, you're good with that, right?

Well, listen, when the predator comes with that blade that we've not seen the blade before. I'm a holy shit, that thing is cool. But when they end the Rocky Four scene and there's chaos, you think that the next scene is going to be in a hospital. It's at a cemetery. And you're like Apollo died. That was nuts.

Yeah. It's still startling 35 years later. That got the audible gasp in the theater where people are like, oh, it was like one of those. No. Picking Nets. I don't know which one of the three to ask this question, too. I got a couple of Apex Mountains. Can I add them in here? Please do.

Okay. Alabama Ticks. There's got to be Apex Mountain for Alabama Ticks. Self-sacrifice. Is this up there? For me, it's this with Billy? Yeah. And Bruce Willis and Armageddon. Those are my two. And then, and this made me very happy, because I didn't remember that this happened, but you

watch the whole movie, you watch all of these people you care about die. You're just completely drained. And then the end of credits scene that they do, it's not like shots from the movie. They're doing, here's who the character was. They look at the camera. They smile holding the gun. From a different galaxy. It made me feel so good.

How did we not mention that yet? We're like an hour 10 in. The best part is Arnold doesn't do it. Arnold's like fuck that. He's the only one. He's the only one. Anna looks up like she's been in like a romantic comedy for the last two hours. She's just like, hey.

The Carl Weathers one is the one that just he's holding his gun and just gives you that million dollar smile. It made me feel really great. You do who wins the movie. Like it should almost be who wins the closing credits. And I mean, Poncha winks and Weathers milks it. Understand, like, this movie we just saw for almost two hours, these guys just get slaughtered in brutal fashion. We just saw Jesse Ventura's chest explode.

Roll the credits and it's, show me that's my love. You're like in a sitcom. What the hell was that? They should have made it. It should be like in some guild that they have to do this no matter what the movie is for every single movie. Like at the end of marriage story, they should have to be like, at a driver. And he just looks at the camera goes, Q! Like, they should have to do it.

Because this is the ultimate test of whether or not the movie was good, is if you can get through this scene, this end credit sequence, and not be like, I'm out. I can't believe that that happens. It's so good. Well, you know, Top Gun, Top Gun did it the year before and was kind of the OG for this category. And it seems like it was a little almost a wink to that. But my favorite closing credits ever, a version of this. Probably Chris only saw this was victory with Slice the Lone.

Yeah. when they cut back to show who all the soccer players were and it's like a who's who of all the best soccer players in the late 70s, early 80s. And they're all from different countries and it's got the music. It's really good. Thumbs up.

Picky Nitz. Why was Arnold named Dutch? Any of you guys want to take this? What was his last name? Was it just Dutch? Was it like Madonna? He had no last name? In Commando, he has a line about how he's from East Germany.

and they're always trying to rationalize his accent as an American soldier. So I think maybe Dutch has something to do with his ancestry. They had to make up for that ridiculous accent. So maybe that's what it is. His name like Dutch Reynolds? No. Dutch Johnson? Dutch, Dutch, Dutch.

Was it Frank Dutch? Was Dutch his last name? Oh, that sounds good. John Dutch. Another picking nits. I just think Sunny Landham should be sunny in every movie. I don't think they should try to pretend he has a character name. They should just name him Billy in every movie.

Or whatever, but it's, it, I just, that's it. That's it. This is a really good nitpick. I was proud of myself for this one. I feel like this movie was missing the night before dinner with all these guys at a steakhouse. Okay. That's where they're coming from. That's on the chopper.

That's where they're coming from. Right. I wanted five minutes just around the table with somebody tells a story about somebody and somebody's making fun and Shane Black gets one more. terrible joke in and just let's hang with these guys a little longer i wanted more time with them that's not bad that's not bad if they put them at a ruth's chris you know maybe even an outback like whatever or benny hana yeah why does denny thieves just get to own benny hana why can't we get we do the onion volcano i fucking love it yes and give me a mistake um this is the sad picking nits

myth busters you know that show myth busters they prove that um predators don't exist They didn't do that. Covering yourself entirely in mud does actually not conceal your body heat. I disagree. How the fuck would those guys know? Have they ever fought a predator? They did test on it. They said the mud on the skin actually becomes warmer.

It actually becomes more obvious that you have body heat. So, as usual, fuck those guys. Don't ruin movies for us, Mythbusters. I disagree. I disagree with them. I don't believe it. Could this be remade? Oh, do you guys have any more picket?

Well, I have a picking knit that's also a problem. possibly unanswerable question. And I think that there's probably a version of this movie and if there's maybe a predator scholar out there who could explain this to me, but the lack of any kind of extraction effort to get these guys out of the jungle where it's just like five seconds

into things like starting, like they're just like the general calls and he's just like, yeah, we can't come get you. I was never clear as to whether or not that was because they kind of knew that this was happening and they wanted to keep the predator away from civilization or what. But like it doesn't seem realistic that they would just

be like, yeah, let's just lose eight special forces guys to this thing. So I was just always really confused why he's like, yeah, we can't come pick you up. That was a weird action movie trope back then, which was with the Vietnam movies too. We have to send you in, but we can't acknowledge that this is happening. We can't get you out. Yeah. They don't do that anymore. I got a couple.

Go ahead. A Bill Duke, when he dies, he gets his head blown off. We see the whole thing. And then later on, he has his whole head back together. which is like, that's how good Bill Duke is. He put his whole head back together after he died.

The same shot from the predator that blew Apollo Creed's arm off, Predator hits Dutch with it too. And it fucking bounces off of his chest. He's right in the chest. Yeah. And it doesn't do anything at all. He just keeps it moving.

And then the mud disguise, this alien traveled across the fucking galaxy and he didn't know about mud. Like that wasn't it. What are we doing here? It's like in signs when they don't know how to open the doors. Right. The alien thing.

You traveled 400 million light years and you don't know mud. That's what we're doing. All right. All right. The reality is the predator is a proxy for people with bad eyesight. Like, I sympathize with the predator when I watch this. The predator is like me in the morning when I can't find my glasses. I'm just like, where is it?

What time are we? The predator couldn't fucking see. That was his weakling. So when we have alien versus predator, predator against anybody, whatever bracket you want. Like, the predator's actually a bad pick. He couldn't fucking see. You're right. He needed late. Anyone else is beating him. Yeah. He got upgrades later. They got upgrades to their masks. My only nits a pick at this point is quick. And this might be the corner that I'm on by myself. But this is a stealth unit, like, whose priority is quiet extraction. Is

old painless entirely necessary? We have an 80-pound mini gun. And, you know, Arnold's like, we move five meter spread, no sound. And he's hauling 3,000 rounds of ammunition and the gun the size of a truck. I just don't know this entirely necessary for the mission. That's always struck me that way. Yeah, John Wick would not have played it that way, I don't feel.

No. He would have strapped a couple rifles to his back, all that stuff. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? Please know. Some unanswerable questions. Did Billy have superpowers? Sixthence.

No. It's a tracker. He's a tracker. He's just overly confident. He's just, people listening, I'm putting my head up and just looking around. He just knew when something wasn't right. I love that, by the way. I love that about him.

Did the predator go to the bathroom? In the suit, probably, yeah. Just like an astronaut. Yeah. So you think he did? So wouldn't there have been predator poop tracks or like when Sunday Landim have been able to figure that? He's, he's, he's airborne. He poops in the trees?

Yeah, it's made a mountain dew. Yeah. It's canon. Is this the movie that the Rock is most jealous of? I would say yes. I think the Rock's, the Rock not having done a movie like this is a huge blank spot on his resume. Like the Rock has so much. I think he's been talked out of remaking this 20 times.

But like just even an action movie like this, I think it would just be so good. Like an action movie that was just so straightforward like this, I wish he would make one. you know what I think it is this was like exactly perfect for what Arnold was good at and also like

there are a couple of surprises in there from him I still think we don't know exactly what the Rock's thing is like he can't do what Arnold does he's doing something totally different Fast 5 gets the closest to pinning it down that we've ever

that we've ever gotten but it's it's maybe a little too hard to describe what the rock is good at we can't just throw him in a jungle with an alien and it's not going to translate. I think it's an important point that Fast 5 is the closest we got with The Rock.

Yeah. He's perfect in that. It's one of the seven best movies ever made. But yeah, you're right. I think with Arnold, the Rock wants to be liked too much. All the decisions he makes are all toward please like me. It's just who he is.

He wants to be the good guy and he has bigger aspirations in acting. I don't think 1987 Arnold really gave a shit. I think he just wanted to be in cool movies where he looked good and stuff blew up and he killed the person. But ultimately, like, he has a little bit of a disdain for the whole thing that I think works. Boy, this is an important question. What was Predators endgame here? Protect the jungle?

Eventually destroy humanity? Like, what ultimately when he dropped down and Kyle, like, was he taking it day by day? Was there a master plan? you think he was really looking at here? Well, it begs another question, too, about, um, is the first shot of the movie entirely necessary? Like, the spaceship shot, I think changes everything. If, if they just did a movie where these guys were in the jungle and holy shit, we don't know where this thing came from, instead they have this 10 second kind of hokey spaceship thing that ejects him and lands him. And I feel like it changes the movie and it certainly opens it up for future movies,

but I don't like the shot. I think it's gratuitous. And so to answer your question, it seems to be like he was like sent there for a purpose. Like they launched him with certainty towards the earth. So I think he's there like on a hunting trip. And I think after he kills everybody, he'll like try to go home like E.T. Yeah. It feels like it feels very like an exploration mission. And I think they kind of hint at that at the end.

And this is like one of the best parts of the movie. But when Arnold is standing over him and he asks him, what the hell are you? and then it says it back to him like, no, what the hell are you? Like, I don't know what you are either. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Oh, shit, the whole universe just opened up

when he says that. This is like a thinking, feeling thing. We're the aliens. Yeah, I'm with you. I think it's expiration. Great point on the spaceship. They didn't need it. And we forgot to mention during this.

They actually do a pretty good job of Invisible Predator Special Effects. Oh, absolutely. I don't feel like, great job. I feel like in the 82, 83, 84 range they would have fucked that up. They didn't have the technology. but we're also not in

91 Terminator 2 legitimate special effect range. We're in this weird middle ground, but it works. I actually liked it. Would you watch a Sunny Landum documentary? Can you bring 30 for 30 back just to do that?

And all 30 movies are about Sunny Landon? Chris, if I texted you one night and I was like, holy fucking shit, have you seen the Sunny Landon documentary yet? That would be the most. exciting text that could send you. I don't even know what being in it.

You could tell me he was involved in assassinations. I just don't know what kind of life. He worked for mafia people. I don't know. Anything. Wow. What if I told you there was a time when Sunday rained? They could tell me, hey, there's a Sunny Landon documentary.

It's only airing one time, and it's during your mom's birthday. Like, my, listen. I did 56 of them already. I feel like the Sunny Landon documentary would just be story after story of people being like, I mean, Sunny was sunny. You know, if he had a couple drinks, you just like, you just, you kind of held on. You held on for dear life. They all end with somebody saying, and then we had to hire a bodyguard.

And then that's what the cop showed up. Bill, do you remember like a year or two into me working for you at Grayland? And you called me or you texted me one October day. were like, I'm going to need you to come over to my house today. Somebody very special is here to meet you. And I, that was actually my wife's birthday. And I turned to her and I was just like, I think like Alan Iverson might be at Bill's house. I think I might have to go to Bill's house today, even though it's your birthday. And she was like, it could be anybody. It could be William Goldman could be there. It could be anybody. And it wound up being worldwide West.

Oh, yeah. And I was like, it's worth it though. A little letdown. but also like I can't believe this is happening. Like it's in my mind. I think I was like Alan Iverson is going to be in pills. That was incredible. I guess World Red West was a little bit of a downer. Sunny Landum, just some facts. Played football for a year at the University of Georgia, Kyle.

Oh kidding. Do we know a position? Seems like a free safety. I see him as an outside linebacker. Free safety. Doesn't say. Oh, that's cool. Did a stint in the army, worked at an oil field, worked as an

ordained Baptist minister and then as a model appeared in pornographic films. There's pornos in the 70s of them. Pose for Playgirl appeared in the Warriors. He's a subway policeman, 48 hours, Predator, Action Jackson, and Lockup.

He's good in lockup, too. Lockup. I don't know where you guys stand on that one. He strikes me as the kind of guy whose personal life section of Wikipedia is pretty complicated. We're about to get to it. He did run for Governor Kentucky. happen. There's a whole bunch of stuff. It gets dark. I'm not going to read the dark part of the sunny land of paragraph about politics, but it's grim. We're going to skip that. He was married five times. He was convicted on federal charges of making threatening and seeing phone calls to his

wife and had to spend three years in prison. Oh, no. He was injured in a four-car accident and was really never the same after that and then died at age 76. This is just what's in his Wikipedia. Jesus. I don't know what else happened with him. But yeah, it's a pretty action-packed life for Sunny. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I am going with the giant gun.

The M-134 minigone, aka Painless, would just be an amazing thing to have in the, you know, no bullets in it, obviously, but just like just to put in the corner, just that giant fucking thing. I would go with Max Razor. I'm going to start doing that when we're back in the office where I just started shaving in meetings. With no shaving cream or anything, just like a single blade razor on your skin. We should have put that in Apex Mountain, nervous shaving.

It should have been to Apex Mountain. It's probably the key to that. Kyle, what would you take? I was going to say painless too and just bring it home and make it a big immersion blender and let my kids ride on it. Make it like a suede. I mean, it's big enough. I think I'll go with just something cool.

Like, all I want is is a piece of Mac of Bill Duke. I think he's the best part of the movie. When he says goodbye to Blaine, he puts that cool little flask right down on his chin. Like, I would take the flask. And by the way, Blaine drinking while he wields old painless, too. It's a great recipe. Shea, would you pick? I want the mask.

How does nobody pick the predator mask? Oh, yeah. Give me that one. Oof. It's a great choice. I don't know where you'd put it, that it wouldn't be disorienting and unhappy. That's what I would wear it.

On my face. Who won the movie, Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yeah. Unless you guys have another candidate. I don't. Bill Duke, you could argue. My take very quickly is... Argue, Kyle.

I don't think Slice Stallone wins Rocky 4. My criteria for this category is when you're driving home from the movie in the theater, who are you talking about? Rocky 4, I think you're talking about Dolph Lengren. And in this movie, you've seen Arnold already, you're like, that guy with those crazy eyes, that Bill Duke guy was fucking awesome.

And he has a whole arc. And he's that line where he goes, he was my friend. I mean, that is like, that is Oscar clip. I think Bill Duke wins the movie. I'm just going to go on an outlier. And I have Mac in this. Wow. I do.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I can't get there quite myself, but I love it. Kyle. Well, why didn't you give him Dan Waiters then? Yeah. But he's, Kyle saying like, he's the soul of the movie.

I kind of buy it, man. He's clearly the best actor in the movie. 2021, what a year for Bill Duke on The Rewatchable. And what a year for action movies. This was an incredibly influential one. This one was also, we should mention, there's a prototype that now comes out between this and Commando, where now this is the next seven years of big hero,

some funny one-liners, eclectic cast it's also the very very very tight premise the blank in the blank it's like the guy in the skyscraper it's the great soldier in the jungle it's like what can you tell me in an elevator

that I will make this movie for $80 million dollars my last question is for Shay Shay are we dropping people in the jungle enough for action movies or I feel like we're light yeah this is this should be a thing that happens way more often

the jungle is just such a treacherous place. You forget about it once they start fighting the alien, but there's that one shot where they glance over and there's a gigantic snake on a branch and you're like, oh shit, I forgot there in the jungle. How about the tarantula? Everything can kill you. Scorpion on the shoulder. Scorpion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like mountains and tarantia and mountains and jungles for action heroes. Cliffhangers is another one. Hollywood's gotten soft, man. They just shoot everything in Manhattan Beach now. They don't go to Porto Viata anymore. They won't go to locations. Well, I mean, honestly, maybe the stories of what a nightmare shoot this was makes them not want to film movies in a jungle, I would guess. Yeah, the whole set smelled like

diarrhea and cigar smoke. It sounds like hell. I'm out on that. All right. My own personal predator crew, Chris, Shay, Kyle. This was, this is very fun. It was great to see you guys. Yes, yes, yes. That's it for the podcast. Coming back strong with another rewatchable's next week I'm really excited for this next one too this was great next one just as great enjoy the rest of the week