The Rewatchables - ‘Pretty Woman’ With Bill Simmons, Juliet Litman, and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: March 26, 2019

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Juliet Litman, and Amanda Dobbins book a room in the penthouse suite to rewatch the 1990 rom-com ‘Pretty Woman’ starring Richard Gere and Julia Roberts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Touchstone Pictures presents Richard Gere. So what happened after? He climbed up the tower and rescued her. Julia Roberts. She rescued her. you see him right back. Pretty woman. Julia Lidman is here.

Hi. I haven't seen her smiling like this. And sometimes there's just a glow. There's a glow to you right now. It's a great film. Amanda Dobbins is here as well. We're about to tackle Pretty Woman, which might be the best movie of all time.

It's in the conversation at least. It's really, there's an hour stretch where it's just really satisfying and fantastic, every single moment. It makes you feel really hopeful about life, and yet it's about a prostitute who's in a probably bad relationship for the far too stony Richard Gear. But I don't care.

I love this movie. You think far too stony for Richard Gear? We were talking about this earlier. When I rewatch last night, I realized how much more handsome I find Richard Gear as an adult. I think when I first saw this, he just looked like a dad. And he is a little reserved. And that didn't really speak to my idea of what the knight in shining armor should be. And now I'm on the other side of 30, and he's looking pretty good.

Wow. Yeah, that's what I'm going to say. It actually came around. First topic. Did Pretty Woman, 1990, and when Harry Met Sally, 1989, did this launch the rom-com era, those two movies? What was before those two, Juliet, our rom-com historian? There were some other earlier, like Nora F. Ron written movies, but the rom-com era, as we know, it did begin with when Harry Met Sally in 89. I guess Annie Hall was before that.

That's kind of a lot of people. We're not counting that now. A lot of people do. Man is crossing that up. Nope. Well, I mean, first of all, just in terms of kind of like neat eras, let me should just embrace that it starts in 89 with when Harry met Sally soon after Pretty Woman.

It's certainly the modern romcom era. We were giving Craig our producer a history of like 30s and 40s romcoms. Yeah. Which definitely exist and are great. Yeah. But, yeah. Not 1890. Yes.

I also think the Lucille Ball of it all is also very interesting as a precursor to this as another great redhead. and she sort of, I think, does Julia Roberts' character really takes a lot from her type of on-screen presence. But they call her out. Yeah. She's watching I love Lucy.

And the beginning. And it is like a really nice, I think of a nice metaphor of kind of where this character came from and how she like grew out of the kind of the TV characters like Carol Channing and Lucille Ball. And sort of weirdly TV is more of a precursor

for the Vivian character than movies, which is interesting. I would say it launched a modern rom-com. Yes. So it launches 30 years of people basically doing variations of this movie. And what's interesting is usually when that happens, the movie starts to feel old or dated or, you know, people do better versions of it. Not the case here. No.

No. I think that it might be the best breakthrough performance in history on film. Yeah. It's amazing. You watch a star happening in real time. There's one other example. Okay, what is it? Sylvester Stallone and Rocky.

Okay. Well, for me, Julia Roberts and Pretty Woman is the greatest star making history. Yeah. If you're talking last 50 years, that's the only other time. Somebody we really had no background with at all just becomes an A plus-less star in the course of a movie. Right. And you can see it happening on this screen. her presence, her charisma.

It's just, the movie does not work without her. We will talk about some of the interesting aspects of this film. It's the best casting what if she ever had. Right. But she just, she is so electric on screen that she just carries you up above all the questions about the politics or the what ifs of this movie. It's just transcendent. And also to your point, I think part of the reason that this is the start of the modern

rom-com era is that then Julia, Roberts just does rom-coms for a decade and is in many of the most important ones. That's true. She was like, don't pigeonhole me. And then she rallied back. And then she does it. You know what? This is what you want for me.

Yeah. At the end of the decade, she really comes back around with a couple of detours that she probably regrets. Yes. I've never in my life been more in love with somebody after seeing a movie than her in this movie. And I was on a date with my girlfriend from college. And I would have just walked away and never look back. If Julie Roberts had just pointed at me and said, come, let's go.

It was all time head over heels. I agree with that. She was so fetching and awesome and great in this movie. I was just like, I love this person. Yeah. Also, her physical performance is really amazing. And they put her in the position. Like when he walks into the hotel suite and she's naked wearing his tie and has her legs up on the table, she switches from being like gangly and awkward to really hot and seductive so quickly.

And that's a really hard thing to do. And it's true. It's really impressive. She's a better physical actress than I recalled because she doesn't really do that as much anymore. I agree with that. So I have a little history with her heading into this movie when I'm probably 20 or 20 whenever I saw it because she was in Mystic Pizza. Yes. And she was really adorable in Mystic Pizza.

And it was one of those who's that. But she was also in, what was the music movie she was in where she met Liam Neeson? Was it satisfaction? Oh. And I remember seeing that one too. So it wasn't like she came like, like Sylvallone came out of nowhere. Yeah. People were like, who is this?

She at least, it was like, oh, the girl from Mystic Pizza. Right. So, Mystic Pizza was a popular movie. Had Steele Magnolia's been released at this point? No. No. Yeah, it was. Oh, man.

Julia, it'll start crying right now. That's fine. You can't even say the word of Steve Magnolia. Don't even mention it. Oh, my God. She might lose it. It's interesting. The next movie she made, I think, it was either Dying Young or Still Magnolas or

maybe both. It was in some order. Dying Young, they marketed. This is Julia's next movie. It's terrible. Terrible. Terrible. I saw it in the theater.

I was like, Julie's in a movie. I'm going. Yeah, she gets into the zone of must see. Like everything she does. Flatliners also bad. Saw that in the theater. So she had a lot of capital with people after this movie that she used up by Mary Riley. It was over.

I was like, all right. She's obviously can't pick movies. Where do you stand on her as Tinkerbell and Hook? It's a tragedy. It wasn't for you. Tragedy. Super skinny. I didn't like the haircut.

Also, it's so funny. is someone who really is like larger than life, a great celebrity to relegate her to be like a tiny character that's like flying around is so funny. Well, that's so funny because now when we talk about how we don't have movie stars anymore, our references are Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts. Like Julie Roberts was the movie star of the 90s. True. And it was pretty much on the strength of pretty woman because as you pointed out, she does

pretty woman and then just a bunch of not good movies. We talked about, we did the My Best Friends wedding rewatchables, which was also a classic. But we did a deep dive on Julia's career and just how famous she was. Yes. And it starts with Pretty Woman, but you're talking about it's also the premier magazine era. People Magazine is still breaking stuff. And she was dating Leon Nissen and ends up in the love triangle with Kiefer Sutherland and Jason Patrick. And it seemed like her off-screen life overpowered her on-screen life there for a while.

We didn't know any of this when Pretty Woman came out. No. It was just like, who is this person? I love her. That's one of the reasons why the performance is so powerful because you can project a lot onto her in that role because she doesn't come with the baggage of left Jason Patrick, fled to Ireland, made some bad career choices. She's just like a true revelation of an actress.

That's true. And she also isn't like she is Julia Roberts kind of fully formed, which is what makes the performance so great. But when you watch, Notting Hill certainly, but even my best friend's wedding, you're bringing all the other Julia Roberts performances. You're bringing your understanding of her as an actress. And on this, it's just sheer presence. It's kind of like the first, it's not the first time you're seeing her, but basically it is.

She's playing a hooker. Yes. Might as well start there. Sure. Yeah. She says her background a little bit. She fell into it, had some bad things happen. Where did she say she was from?

She's from a small town in Georgia, which is much like where Julia Roberts is from, yeah. Where she somehow learned how to drive a lotus. We'll just leave that on the side. She had never driven a lotus. She said she learned how to drive a lotus. drive cars like it. And then she wanted to get to the right to the list. They worked on cars.

They would buy them cheap and fix them up. But she has to be... Makes sense. Checked out. She has to be trashy. Yes. She has to be classy. She has to be kind of slapsticky.

She has to be super sexy. Yes. And then she has to actually be super wounded and hurt and where you actually feel in real pain. Yeah. That it's not working out for this prostitute from six days ago who's now in love. And she's. got to be able to go toe to toe to with Richard

Geer. You can't feel that she is ultimately diminished or overpowered by him. Sure. Even though this script might suggest otherwise. I think, yeah. I've got some picking, some nits to pick. Yeah. We have so much to cover. We all do. So this movie

$14 million budget made $463 million. That's incredible. Unreal. What is that now? Like 10 kajillion dollars? Yeah, that's like a billion. That's amazing. 62 on Rotten Tomatoes. That's low. Yeah.

Unacceptable. Are we going to talk about the critical reception later? No, let's do it now. Roger Ebert, though. Shout out to Raj, three and a half stars. Way to go, Raj. Finally. Yeah.

It was interesting. I was rereading some of the contemporaneous reviews because I was like, how was this received at the time? And Janet Maslin in the New York Times is like, this is really great, even though there are some problems in this script. But apparently... Problems. What were the problems? She was just kind of like... She practiced safe sex.

Yeah. That's true. She didn't kiss on the mouth right away. I really want to talk about the rule of no kissing on the mouth. No, it's coming later. But anyway, there is apparently just a really high profile entertainment weekly takedown of the movie. That is why that Rotten Tomatoes score. Oh, wasn't that Owen Gleberman?

It was. I was. It focuses on her appearance, which is something of a habit with him. On her appearance? Yeah. And... What do you be? like she wasn't attractive enough to be a hooker?

I don't even know what is the nitpick. I have no idea. You can read it anyway. People like that that led to the shifting of her nose over the last 30 years. Yeah. So. Oh. Yeah.

Oh, no. I have a lot. There's a lot of cars there as well. So rotten tomatoes, which since Sean is not here, I will say, doesn't mean anything. I know. I just do it because it annoyed Sean. Yeah, but I think that explains the score is that there was just like some really, there was a low score.

Julie got nominated for Best Actress. Totally deserved. She's like, just fantastic. Kathy Bates won for misery. Okay. I think I might be okay with that. Yeah. Kathy Bates is a really good actress.

She's really amazing in that movie. Yeah. I wanted to be mad about it, but I can't really be mad about it. Joanne Woodward, Mr. Mrs. Bridge, Angelica Houston, Grifters, Merrill Street Postcards from the Edge. A rare loaded Best Actress category. Never happens.

Those are five great movies. Yeah. To the Mr. Mrs. Bridge underrated. Richard Gere, not nominated. I think that's okay. He doesn't have a ton to do.

And what I respect about his performance is that he knows that. He steps back and lets her shine. It is what makes it work. Are we sure it's okay? That he didn't get a nomination? Can I give you the best actor nominees? Sure. Well, first of all, that was the Dances with Wolves year.

Oh, brother. An important year. Jeremy Irons wins as Klaus von Bulo in reversal of fortune. Okay. Koster dances with wolves. Girard Depardieu. Serenadegh. Richard Harris in the field.

That's actually a good movie. I'm okay with. And then the last one I'm not okay with. De Niro and Awakening's. That's a bad movie. I like the book. Awakening's is a bad movie. Sure.

The book is good. You can flip Richard Gere and DeNiro. I'm okay with that. My only issue with that is I feel like he is, as Edward Lewis, kind of playing his officer and the gentleman character, but like not as good. As a corporate raider? Yes. And I'm just sort of like, it feels very similar to me.

But he's like just updated it for a few years, turned it into like a corporate guy and has like way, way less tragedy involved. But it felt very similar to me. And I was like, we're compared to Julia Roberts or even Jason Alexander who were like really giving their all to being either the most. winning hooker of all time or one of the most putrid lawyers of all time. I just felt like he was kind of in the middle.

You can't get, he doesn't get in the way and I respect that. Like Julia Roberts is really going big and it's her movie and I needed to be her movie. And so I like that he plays this right man, you know? That's sure. Someone has to do it. Sure. I will tell you Richard Gear, special place in the

Simmons House. My mom's favorite actor. Really? Would leave all of us in a second for Richard Gear. Okay. Meta, charity auction once. And told him that. And he was horrified. So there you go, Richard Gere. What's her favorite Richard Gere movie?

Breathless. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's horrible. My mom is like, that's a whole therapy session. So Richard Gere, in one of the epic slumps of all time, heading into this movie. From 1983 to 89, Officer and a Gentleman was 82. That completed the successful arc that started for him with American Gigolo. Uh-huh.

Where American Gigolo threw Officer and Gentleman, it's going great. from that point on. Sorry, Mom, but breathless was a bust. Beyond the Limit, Cotton Club, King David, Power, no mercy, Miles from Home. So he goes, oh for seven. And as we'll get into it, casting what ifs, was like the 38th choice for this movie.

William Goldman, who actually, he was writing essays for New York Magazine at this point, and they're all in a book. And he's writing about movies that year in 1990 and about this pretty woman who movies coming out, Richard Gears attached, so who knows,

but people are claiming it's good. And then he does this whole piece afterwards about this is a classic, nobody knows anything. Richard Gehr, everybody's giving up on him. He's a punchline, and now he's a star again

from this movie, and that sets off the decade of Richard Gear. When is American Jugalo in that run? Early 70s. That's late 79. That's before. Okay. That's a weird movie.

Paul Shrater. Yeah. Yeah. So here's how the original movie was completely different. You know the whole backstory of it. But yeah, tell the people. It's a darker movie called 3,000, which was the amount of money they agreed to for her week of service. It was intended to be a dark drama about prostitution in the late 1980s.

Vivian was addicted to cocaine. Oh, my God. Part of the deal was she had to stay off it for a week. One example of a change plot line was when Edward broke into the bathroom to find her flossing her teeth. instead of doing drugs as he feared. In the original script, she was doing drugs. That would have been weird. She needed the movie to go to Disneyland.

Edward eventually throws her out in his car and drives off. And the movie was scripted at 10 with Vivian and a prostitute friend on the bus to Disneyland. Jesus. One deleted scene has Vivian offering Edward, I could just pop you good and be on my way. Another deleted scene, which is actually funny, it's on YouTube. She's confronted, they go to the blue banana to save Kit. or cat. Kit.

And drug dealers confront them. And Richard Gere has to, like, fight the drug dealers. So how much of that did they film? They filmed some of the stuff. Yeah. And then at the end of the movie, they had another ending where Vivian and Edward find Kit on drugs. And she's overdosed and dead. I'm so glad they didn't make that movie.

They're really harsh my mellow. So producer Craig, you had issues with the current version of this movie. Yeah. Problematic film. That would have... Can I give a hot take? I honestly think that version that you just described gets made more quickly than the version than pretty woman does today. I agree with you.

In 2019, the one that's about the realities of drugs and it's the terrible ending and sex work and all of that stuff gets made sooner. It's whoever 2019's Misha Barton is as the star. It's funny you say that because as you were describing this movie, I was thinking this very like 1999 Kirsten Dants, that movie. She could have played the prostitute. It was very like, what was that movie she was in with Michael Payne? I think. I can't remember. But in her period right after Bring It On, she would have done a movie like that where she was riding high.

I was looking for like an art film. 3,000. Pretty women, better title. Good rate. In cash? I just want to say $3,000 in cash for a week. That's a great rate. Well, so she was getting, what did she say?

She was getting like $100 a night? A hour. 100 hour. But she lied. There's no way she was getting 100 hour. No, but right before she goes and gets into the Lotus, Kit is like, don't take less than 100. Yeah.

So that is. That seems like a lot of money for 1989. Also, how Lewis said that that's like three minutes from our office. Three minutes. It's three blocks. It's really close. We'll go there later. Okay.

Maybe we'll shoot a little Instagram video. It's the Carol Lombard star. Is that right? The Bob Hope star. Yeah, yeah. That's right. From Bob Hope to whatever the other star, the Star territory. And the Las Palmas Hotel is also close there.

I think it's on the corner of Las Palmas in Hollywood. and then they just live right around the corner. You want to reenact the end of Pretty Women at the last... We'll get the Penn House suite. Has to be the top floor. It's the best. We have to get through some of these categories because we have like... There's so much stuff in here.

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I can't wait to find out what your four nominees are. I have an... What age the best is stacked, but I picked four for most rewatchable. Okay. I guess the ending should be in there, too. All right, so five. Okay. Well, we know one now.

I just want to reject that one. I don't think the ending is the most rewatchable scene. Some people might like it. Okay. Edward picks up Vivian for the first time on Hollywood Boulevard. Hey, Sugar, you looking for a date? No, I want to find Beverly Hills. Can it give me directions?

Sure. For five bucks. It's ridiculous. precious one up to 10. You can't charge me for directions. I can do anything I want to, baby. I ain't lost. I mean, it's essential to the movie.

The negotiation, I like watching her drives, the interactions. It's completely ludicrous in every level that he needs directions and just decides to bring a hooker and his lotus. That's not even his. Should we talk L.A. geography as well? Just sort of the logistics of him going. Okay. All right. That's a picky nits.

So one thing, Julianne and I were talking about this with this scene is that Pretty Woman is actually like a real classic cable movie. And so as a result, we've always started the movie like at some point after it started. So I haven't seen that scene as much because I usually come in a bit later. Yeah. Especially the first scene where they're at like a cocktail party and like I had forgotten that even happened. I mean, I'd forgotten about it too. And I was like, oh, I know that house. I've seen it all over the internet.

Oh, wow. A staple of LA film. So that's one. Edward sees Vivian in the first cocktail dress. The black one. Yeah. Do you want to do it? Do you want to be Vivian?

Sure. I'll be Richard Gere. Sure. You do your line. Do you know what it is? I know what it is. Amanda, do it. It's you're late.

You're stunning. That's amazing. That's all I needed on this Friday. No. No, you added backup line. Do it again. Okay, sorry, sorry. You're late.

You're stunning. You're forgiven. Nice. Great. Great exchange. Casted. Really wonderful. See you know, I feel the glow.

That was great. I got to say, great double take by him. Yes. He's good. That's some of his best acting. Better than De Niro and Awakening. So I'll tell you that much. Does the, that's like one of those.

He's very good at appreciating her throughout the movie, which is a skill that I really noticed from Bradley Cooper and a Star is Born. That's our requisite star is born reference for this rewatchables. But just of that look of appreciating and admiring. They say Jeremy Renner and Gaga have that now where he just, he looks at her and. Third one, the shopping scene. We're going to be spending an obscene amount of money. You know what we're going to need from the first.

We're going to need a few more people helping us out. I'll tell you why. We're going to be spending an obscene amount of money in here. So we're going to need a lot more help sucking up to us because that's what we really like. You understand that. Sir, if I may say so you're in the right store and the right city. Fourth one, the opera scene, my wife's favorite scene. The opera scene is popular because of the Pirates of Penn's and's line, I think.

I think that's, that joke has really loved. lasted a long time where she says I nearly peed my pants and he said She loved the Pirates of Penzance. Did you enjoy the opera dear? Oh, it was so good. I almost peed my pants. What?

She said she liked it better than Pirates of Penzance. Oh. It's also a great screwball moment for her when she's like, my glasses are broken. Yes. And then I'm thrown in the ending, but I think the shopping scene is the most rewatchable scene. Probably of any.

Would you put it in the pantheon of rom-com most rewatchable scene? Oh, definitely. Absolutely. Is there a when Harry Met Sally? Of that's similar to that or a scene? That's more rewatchable? Can I give you one? Do you have a surrey at the fringe on top?

No, when she does the cats is deli, the orgasm that I'll have what she's having. That's like kind of awkward, though. Yeah, but that's pretty iconic. I like, and then you're singing Surrey to Fringe on top in front of Ira! It's really good. That scene's pretty great. I loved sharper image in the early 90s as well because that's great. The shopping scenes, Larry Miller, the comedian, who used to be on Letterman all the time as the guy who helps.

And then he's like, how are we doing? I need more sucking up. And he's like, not only your hits a man, you also seem very powerful. He's like, no, not me, her. Just every beat on that is great. It's really, really good. Also, I think the shopping scenes, at least for me, this will really tell you my age in case you know it is in Romney Michelle's high school reunion.

There's like a very dramatic scene where they're crying about when she won't be allowed to shop and then she gets to go back. And they like amplified that that trope for me in a way that I've never forgotten. And so the whole shopping part of it is just so huge. I mean, the shopping part includes the confrontation with the two women in the boutique, right? Yeah. You can extend it.

Well, I mean, that's like that. That's the scene, you know. Walking down at Rodeo Drive. I'm sure we'll talk about that quote. is the number one quote. But their faces, as she just is kind of gesturing around in that hat, great stuff. And she looks gorgeous when she's wearing his white work shirt over her prostitute dress as they're walking down the street. That's like probably my favorite look, like one of my three favorite looks that she has in the whole movie.

That's a new special category just for this, just for this podcast only. I watched this movie last night with my wife and she had a controversial take, which I'll share with you later. Best outfit is coming up later. Fantastic. Did this movie create the shopping montage? I'm sure it must have existed, right? Yeah, I'm imagining, like, the first thing I thought of was Can't Buy Me Love, the 80s movie with Patrick Dempsey that centers around that

sweet outfit. How do you even feel like you have to describe what it's about to me? I meant for other people. My God. That actually might be the best. That's the best movie in all the time. Oh, my God. It's not fast five.

It's not pretty good. It's a kid by me love. Do you love Patrick Dempsey. Yeah. I guess that's a rom-com. Yeah, sort of. It's like, but it's a teen. Like, the 80s had a lot of teen movie rom-coms.

But this is different movies. Yeah. But also, I assume we'll talk more about the Pygmalion My Fair Lady connection to this movie. Like, My Fair Lady has makeover scenes that kind of involved that. So were you always in on a shopping makeover scene? Oh, definitely. Is there any scenario where you're not at least going to enjoy the three minutes? No, it's fantastic.

It's also like, in some ways, the most aspiration. because you see someone going through this transformation, you're like, oh, that could be me. And usually I connect with a movie when I'm like, oh, I could go from a prostitute to a wonderful woman on Beverly Hills. So it really resonated. It needs to be a good makeover and good shopping. Like the quality of the clothes and the makeup matter. But, you know. It makes me think of clueless, honestly.

I feel like this is the precursor to when they gave Ty the makeover. Oh, so good. I think that's probably intentional. another great Beverly Hills makeover. Well, I mean, every movie that came after was paying homage in some way. I'm going to make a case for the opera scene. I don't think it's most rewatchable.

Okay. But I like the backstory of La Traviata, which is about a prostitute. It is. It is. They don't overtly say that, but she's unbelievable in that scene. Yeah, she's great. She basically runs the gamut of emotions

over the course of 80 seconds in a way that by the end of that you're just like, I love this person. I just wanted to work out for them. You feel that way anyway, but after that scene. And she does it without talking. It's honestly her face on screen. Which is the hardest thing to do as an actor. You have no dialogue at all and you're still pulling off.

Can I workshop a theory related to that? Great outfit too. Yes, great outfit, which is kind of guess what I wanted to say. One of the reasons I feel like she was able to become a superstar so immediately is because many of her best moments is when she's all made up. She looks super glam. She's wearing the dresses. And you're like, yes, I can immediately picture you at the Golden Globes.

I can immediately picture you as like being a smokes model for Gucci and Louis Vuitton. Like she literally looked the part of a super, of like a, you know, a supermodel or superstar. And that really helped, I think, other people visualize, like, where her career goes next. Very smart. Great point. Thank you. What's age the best? I have a lot.

This might be the longest, what's age the best I've ever had. And that's really surprising for Pretty Woman. Let me just say. I just kept writing stuff down. Okay, let's go. Let's start here, the Beverly Wilshire Hotel. So I was telling Juliet. Just gives me the warm and fuzzies just from this movie.

Do you know there's a pretty woman package that you can get at the actual Beverly Wiltshire? Do I know. Okay. Have you done it? No. Okay. I was going to be like. Should I do it? No.

Maybe. That would be great. I think we should do it and then film it because it comes to the personal shopper. I do it for you? I do want to stay in the penthouse. Would you buy it for yourself? No. It would be funny if it would be funny if you bought it for yourself.

Isn't that something you bought it? you buy for your object of your affection? I thought it was like a gift. That's why it becomes problematic though. That's why it'd be really funny if you did it for yourself. Like, I'm going to treat myself. So when I moved here, one of the things I was excited about was just kind of seeing the Beverly Wilshire Hotel because it was like to me, it's like I didn't even know any other

hotels in L.A. This is the only one I knew. This movie makes it feel like it's the most important hotel in L.A. And it's, I got to say, it holds up to the movie. Beautiful hotel. As the years have passed. I think a couple other hotels have probably passed it here since I've lived here, but it still has the OG feel. Crucially, many NBA teams stay there when they come to L.A.

Pretty much. Yes. All of them stay there are the Ritz and Marina Dore. Yes. So conveniently located, close to Craigs and other things. Another one's aged the best, the scene when she's looking at the necklace case and he slams it down on her finger and she does the Julie Roberts laughed, which was improvised. Yeah. He pulled it on her.

She had no idea that was going to happen. And all of that was genuine. Good chemistry. They left it in. The soundtrack. Soundtrack is great. King of Wishful Thinking was one of my favorite songs when I was in 10th grade. So I decided.

Still Slaps as a kid's say. Is King of Wishful Thinking the best song of all time? It might be. What a great way to start a movie. I know. It's like snap it on my couch. It's like she's wishfully thinking. Yeah.

I'm bopping as we sit here and talk about it. So it's got that. It's got real wild child. Fame 90, life in detail, wild woman do, pretty woman, must have been love, but it's over now. Must have been love, but it's over now. Great song. No explanation. Show Me Your Soul and Fallen.

This was a big soundtrack at the time during an era when soundtracks weren't really a thing yet. But I remember I felt like everyone, I was in college when this movie came out. I felt like everyone in college that I was friends with on the female side had this soundtrack. I think because of my age, I learned every. single one of these songs, maybe except for a pretty woman, from this movie. And they are all, these songs are tied to pretty woman.

I hear them and I think of the specific scene. They're really embedded for me. Yeah, it's the last vestiges of the MTV era where movies were kind of also music videos. This movie, I mean, this movie has a ton of dialogue in it, but it does have a music video kind of movement to it a couple times. Some of the, like, montages and like set up shots

where they're playing music also remind me of Beverly Hills 902.10. We were like, you could just pick this scene up and drop it into like a season two episode of that show. Very similar. So that was another one I had. This decade of Beverly Hills as a pop culture character. Yes. Because you have Beverly Hills cop, which literally the entire premise is Detroit Cop goes to Beverly Hills.

And whoa, look at this. Whoa, this is crazy. The underrated Beverly Hills Cop too. Beverly's 902 and O. Don't forget. And then this movie. And don't forget true Beverly Hills. And clueless.

Was that 90? Was that after? Was that 80s? That's like in the same era. True Beverly Hills then. Let's add that. And then down and out in Beverly Hills

with a multi. But Beverly Hills became like this character for eight years. Yes. And it's funny because in real life when you go to Beverly Hills

it's really like that. Yeah. It's completely absurd. It's like, oh, there's a yellow Lamborghini and there's a lady wearing a $200,000 dress just walking down the street.

Yeah. It's super weird. I hate it there. The only thing that hasn't, that I thought was not realistic though is Beverly Hills has fewer people on the street on a regular basis.

Maybe on a Saturday you'll get that level of pedestrian traffic. But definitely not on like a Wednesday. True. The escargo. Oh my God. I love it. It's a great scene. Now if anyone, if you're at dinner and anyone gets the escargo, you just have to make the pretty woman check.

I know, but can I say I do that a fair amount? And the reference is not as widely known as I would like. You're with the wrong people. I agree. How often are you with people ordering escargo? I'm like a surprising amount. Oh, my God. I've got questions on that.

I really love escargo. Biggest escargo fan, my son, Ben Simmons. Double orders it. Oh my goodness. It's just butter and garlic. Yeah. Another thing that age the best, polo. Yes.

Sure. It's a great polo scene of this. It was like, whoa, polo. Why don't get invited to a polo thing? You get dressed up. Yeah. You get to like replace the divets. There's sports going on.

Craig, did this make you want to go to a polo match? Not really. Okay, Craig. Craig's just like Debbie down there. He's like negative on this movie. Is this polo match in Beverly Hills or is it like closer to Pasadena? Where is it? I mean, I'm happy to give you that information now or later.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm jumping ahead. Keep going with the what age. I got an Orange County vibe from the polo match. What we're about to find out. Edwards, because it's the best philosophy. Yeah.

Loved it. I'm down with it. Why do you stay up here? Because it's the best. Yeah. Yes. I think he played a rich guy really well. And the rules of being rich have not changed that much since 1990.

I want to say he's great. He's a pretty tasteful rich guy. Oh, certainly. You know? That's like if you're going to be a really rich corporate rater with emotional issues, sure. I think that you want to have his level of taste. Can I ask Amanda, a brief aside?

Yeah. How does Richard Gere in this movie compare to Harrison Ford and Working Girl for you? Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm going to sit this one. I'm just going to go on my phone.

You guys, you guys hash this stuff. Very similar. Yeah. Similar type of profession. I know, I know the answer. So the answer is Harrison Ford for me because I like a bit more charisma. Sure. You know, like there is something stoic and powerful about Richard Geard and Pretty Woman,

but it's appealing, but like at the end of the day, you don't want to work that hard. Harrison Ford definitely way more fun. Exactly. And that's kind of, I understand the appeal and I understand why Richard Gear has been successful in his work life. And it works in this movie, but for me, it's Harrison Ford. Ford. What about you? I agree. It's Harrison Ford. Just because he seems like he's more fun.

But if I had to, if I was marrying solely for money and for future riches, I'd go with Richard Gear. I know, but Harrison Ford gives her the lunchbox at the end? Yeah. Harrison was great that movie. Can I say, Harrison Ford and Working Girl is my number one Harrison Ford of all time. Yeah, which he's really important

to me. So you've picked like a very strong example. I know you know that. Last week on the rewatchables, Mallory said Harrison Ford and Witness was the most attractive man in history of movies. So now we've had two different. Harrison Ford just winning every week. They were watching us.

I think that was crucially in both those characters. He's like a savior guy. He's like rescuing a woman. Congrats to him. Harrison Ford's still winning. I've never treated you like a prostitute leaves. You just did. It's a great exchange.

Really good one. That fights is here. That's a very hard fight. They have some good fights. Yeah, they do. Chuck Closterman was on this pot a few weeks ago, and we realized that he really likes fighting in movies for some reason.

And now when I see people fight, I think of how much Chuck would enjoy it. Verbal fights. Yeah, verbal like just when couples are just kind of turning on each other for a minute in a scene. And that, they have a couple of good ones in this

where it's like, oh, don't say that. Oh, that cut too deep. He's really mean. He has a couple of cutthroat mean lines. Yes. And they do, the movie does engage with some of the uncomfortable issues of aspects of the setup

more than it gets credit for. of paying your girlfriend who used to be a hooker? Right, exactly. I don't think you were to use to do that. Former hooker. Five days ago was a hooker. Hooker in limbo. And like the saver complex and money can save everything and, you know, all that stuff.

It engages with it slightly. And it uses the fights to do that. So I agree with you. Cat, Kit. Kit in the hotel. Seeing the old couple. Well, first she calls the security, the sphincter police. I really enjoyed.

And then she says for 50 and for 75 the wife can watch. 50 bucks, grandpa, for 75 the wife can watch. Great part. I love the old guy. Oh, yeah. And I think I've used this in sports columns because I love this line when Richard Geard decides that he's going to build boats with him over ruining the company. He goes, I find this hard to say this without sounding condescending,

but I'm proud of you. Yeah. It's a good one. It's good. I'm going to tell fantasy this in about two hours. I'm going to say, no context. It's super male. I feel like that's the kind of thing that only men say to each other.

Yeah, it's a male-on-male. Yeah. So, man, and I'm like, yeah, that's good. It's nice that you're expressing your feelings. Yeah, that's good. It's kind of like the pretty woman version of the people in the drive of the Bradley Cooper, Sam Elliott driveway. Sure.

Second Star is born reference of the podcast. It's good. We got three more in us. Okay. If I said that to you, I feel like you would be upset after. I would just be like, thanks. Okay. Like, what am I supposed to do with that? I'll just keep going. That's weird. Okay, Bill.

It's not enough. It must be difficult to let go of something so beautiful. You know what? Holding the necklace. Yeah. Can I take a peek, open it up? The parallels of how he just let Julie Roberts go. It's just hitting you over the head with it. It still works.

I'm just a huge Hector Alizando fan. I mean, he's incredible. He's going to get some love later on. He's very good. I hope that includes some references to Chicago. hope, but well, we'll get there. Can I just say as far as the mechanism by which the guy, the person in the rom-com realizes that they're wrong and has to go chase after the person, it's like a pretty, it's

that subtle, but it works. It's efficient. It's a seven-year run of men realizing they screwed up and either jogging slash sprinting to where the woman is or in a car going there. But I mean, you could do like an 11-minute super clip on YouTube. Yes. 11 minutes. Oh, you know, cross movies.

Of just everybody. Billy Crystal, he runs for like seven miles at the other one here about Sally. He goes from like the east side of the Soho. When you realize you want to spend the rest of your life, I know. You want to start as soon as fast. I forgot. I just want to say, unpopular opinion. I feel the ending in this movie is rushed.

But we can see it later. I like the efficiency. Keep it moving. I have one last what's age the best. I hope you're sitting down, Juliet. Oh, boy. Oh, you are. This movie paved the way for The Bachelor.

Oh, okay. Crazy dates. Okay. Crazy over the top dates. Private playing going to the opera. Couples rushing into things. The Pretty Woman date is a staple of The Bachelor. The Fantasy Suite?

Yeah. The limo at the end when she gets driven off at the end and she's sadly... He's holding flowers. They're playing the... Must have been loved, but it's over now. And it's like the camera's just on her with the same thing. I think Mike Fleiss and The Bachelor ripped off Pretty Woman with their entire show. Yeah, I agree with that.

And a staple has now become that The Bachelor takes one woman on like a one-on-one date where they go shopping. He's like, buys her all this stuff. Shopping montage. Yeah, exactly. Happened this year and I believe Vietnam with Kaelin. It's a staple of the show. So that's a What's Age the Best for me? Now when we watch The Bachelor, be like, yeah, Pretty Woman.

Pretty Woman. Yeah. What's age the best for you, Amanda? Oh my God. There are so many options. I gave you 40 choices. Can you just give me some of the choices again? Soundtrack, Beverly Wilshire, necklace scene because it's the best.

Escargo polo, prostitute that you just did. Sphincter police. Condescending proud of you. Difficult to let go something so beautiful in The Bachelor. All right. So honorable mention to escargo just because it is really useful and also PSA order escargo in your life. But I'm going with the necklace scene and the Julia Roberts reaction. I go with that as well.

And that's in a moment, like Julia Roberts, star is born. That's the money shot of this movie. I'm going with Beverly Hills. It's a good... Oh, I forgot to put Beverly Hills in there, yeah. I think Beverly Hills is just... It's like contention for the best L.A. movie. And certainly, I think, maybe the best Beverly Hills movie.

Yeah. And it just sets a tone of what, like, 90s opulence looks like. And when I now living here, when I, like, drive around and see stuff, I'm like, oh, that's so 90s. And it's because of Beverly Hills. What's age the worst? evil George Costanza He's just evil It's like Hitler and the lawyer in this movie

The most evil characters we've had Hard to believe he got more work after this movie Honestly, because he's so evil So horrible in it But what's weird is Seinfeld was on the same year And I was like one of the first people Watching the Seinfeld Chronicles And it was like

Hey that's the guy from pretty women Evil lawyer What's going on? And honestly I think you have to pick George Cassie But if I'm like, who would you rather get trapped in an elevator with the lawyer or George Costanza? It's tough. Both would be horrible.

Most evil person ever in a rom-com? Hmm. Maybe. Trying to think of anybody who is more reprehensible. Sexual assault is not that often in rom-coms because it's a real downer. But the thing is, he already, I feel like, quenched the title before the attempted sexual assault. The polo scene when he starts doing this to her arms. That was like, that was it.

That was so creepy. He probably is because rom-coms don't really get this messy in terms of the subjects that they discuss that often. I mean, like, except for Sandra Bullock falling in love with someone in a coma or I guess. And then there's never been kissed where it's like some teacher or student stuff that's tough. I think this is the most objectively, like straightforward evil. Yeah. Him hitting Vivian I have as a second What's Age the Worst? Because I just don't think the movie needs it.

No. I think Richard Gere could come in as they're in an argument, and he's like, you're a fucking hooker. You got to get out. Like, that would have accomplished the same. The ultimate goal of that scene is Richard Gere needs to turn on the lawyer and maybe even punch him. Right.

You don't need to have, like, a sexual assault in the hotel room. I don't know why they did that. I don't know either. It's really tonally dissident with the rest of the movie. And also, at no point in the movie, one of the reason the movie is good because she's not physically threatened. Like, their relationship is business. and so to like introduce an element of violence is very strange.

Right. I mean, it is probably a holdover from the original script. Because when you think about it, it just started in a much darker place. Just get rid of that. Yeah. 3 a.m. no condom piano sex, I wrote down here for what stage is the worst? Well, is it now time talking about the kissing rule versus the no condom piano sex. So she's like, I'm going to go downstairs to lobby.

I might as well bring my condoms. She's a professional. Who knows? I'm going to bring my condoms. You never know? No way. There's no condoms. Okay.

Well, you don't know that for sure, but you're probably right. And then let's just deconstruct this scene. Okay. She's watching TV falls asleep. It's like 250 in the morning. She's at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, which, by the way, I dare anyone to go there at 250 and see if one person is still downstairs in the lobby. There will be one person, and you'll have some...

You'll have some questions about the relationship that you're seeing in front of you. Great point. So she's like, where is he? Oh, have you seen Mr. Lewish? Goes down in her bathroom. He's over there in the conference room. Right. Goes in there.

He's playing like world class piano for like two bus boys who are just watching. Who are like, should we go home now? Should we catch the three o'clock bus? Now let's hear this weird rich guy play piano for another half hour. Yeah. And then he finished his song. They're like, whoa, great job. It's like 255 in the morning.

Yeah, it's great. What's going on in this hotel? Hotels are online affairs, man. People, that's why you stay there for the service, for someone to clap for you at 3 a.m. You want a bus boy. And then he's like, guys, can you leave? That is my problem. All right, we're out.

And now they're just going to hook up in this conference room in the lobby? I just want to know, you know, and I guess he's a rich guy, so he thinks he owns everything. But they're like five people in this ballroom, and some of them are cleaning up and a couple are just like, like sitting down off hours. And the audacity of Richard Kierre to be like, may I please have the room now, guys, in order to have sex with my girlfriend on top of this piano. And everyone's just like, sure, that seems like the right thing to do. Like, bye?

We'll see it later. Floor is yours. Good luck. Yeah. I don't know. That's weird. That seems very strange. Go through your problems with the ending because we'll add that to what's age the worst.

You feel it's rushed? I think it's rushed. I think that everyone changes their mind really quickly. and I think that... But Hector Elizondo It must be hard to let go Something so beautiful. That changed his mind right there.

Wouldn't you be happy that Hector Alizando is your uncle? Don't you think he's just probably the perfect uncle? Just has the advice when you need it just there to help you make the right decision. He was, he's, I mean,

he parlayed this into like three other versions of this character, right? Yeah. Princess bride times too. Yeah. And then many, and there's going to be a third, so he'll probably be in that.

I just thought that you go from the weird sexual assault to her saying, this is not enough to her going to talk to Kit and then him showing up like way too quickly, particularly in comparison to the beginning, which I just like kind of really paid attention to for the first time in a while, where the buildup to them meeting

takes like a full 30 minutes, basically. Right. And then they just like wrap it up in 15. And I just thought it was too fast. Okay. What stage the worst for you, Amanda? Well, are we going to- Evil George Costanza or the actual sexual assault scene?

I mean, that's not great. Are we going to talk at all just about the basic lessons of the movie and how they're embedded into a generation of women? This is, um, because that's Craig's complaint is the basic lessons of the movie are not wholesome enough. Wow. I mean, I had this for, I had this for nitpicks. I didn't realize Craig was going to wake us all up. Thanks for bringing me out by slumber, Craig.

Craig mentioned that in Mean Girls, you learn that hang out the cool popular kids might not make you happy. But in this movie, you don't learn. that having access to money might not make you happy. What Craig said was there is no growth, which is a... There's a lot of growth. She's got much better clothes. She's not a hooker anymore. Her hair's long now from the public.

She's not wearing a wig? No, I was going to say something slightly different. Not doing drugs? Which is like I find I'm so moved. You and I both love this movie against all reason and against all, you know, I know what I'm supposed to be as a grown woman in the world. and what I'm supposed to value and look for in a relationship. And this movie gets me every time I find it so romantic.

And you should be offended by all of it. I don't know if I should be offended, but I should be, there's no should. There's no should in this. The hard on to the high ones. And it's pretty woman. As I'm watching it, I'm just like, wow, they're so great. This is so romantic. I too would love to go into a story and just be like big mistake that I'm like,

maybe this is not the best goal for me as a woman in the world. Do you know what I mean? I think the issue... She starts out as a hooker on Hollywood Boulevard. How many times he's a hooker so far? She's a huge win for her. Here's the thing. I think to modern, professional, progressive women,

the conceit of, wow, what an amazing story. This guy rescuing the hooker on Hollywood Boulevard is shallow and problematic. However, this movie has started this kind of, like, escapist fantasy that has completely took over my brain. at a very young age and perhaps still has about like being able to like change a guy because your personality is so winning

in addition to being so hot. Oh right. Yeah, that's a tough lesson. Yeah. And that is like kind of like for me the overarching message of the movie which is maybe problematic but I don't care.

Like that's in so many great movies. It's fun to watch and she really sells it. So whatever. That's a tough. It is also and they lead into this. She says at the end, I want the fairy tale. And it's like, it's a fairy tale.

It's just like one of the, all of the princess things that, I don't know. It's dark Cinderella, basically. And I do think now people are sort of examining, like, do you teach kids all the princess stuff and an early age and what lessons? I don't know, Bill. I'd be saying to you. Can you change a guy? Like, those two things are really unrealistic.

Yeah. But who cares to me? No, it's just that this is more a 2019 thing. Yes, it is. It's just overthinking every single thing that exists. It's true. But it does, like, you know. what you guys are doing. I'm saying like the should we have princesses? It's like that's

I know. But all I'm saying in terms of what is age is the worst, like you cannot understand how deeply that this movie is imprinted in Juliet and my minds. I totally can. Yes, because you know. It's the same for my wife. But from such a young age. And so I think about it and I'm like, what did I learn? You left out one crucial part of this movie. So I'm going to give you from the mail side. Yeah. I always took this as a movie like you never know who you're going to fall in love with. even it could be the most ridiculous situation of all time, which in this case,

a billionaire picking up a hooker, but they connect instantly. And it's like, the heart wants what the heart wants. That was what I took from the movie. Yeah. I think that's really beautiful. Thank you.

Very sweet. Thanks. I think that all of these lessons that have like just really seeped into our minds are unrealistic. And that's like why rom-coms, like people like pick, like pignets in them.

But that's also why they're so much fun to watch and like ultimate a good affair. I take, I think my best friend's wedding is a much more offensive movie than Pretty Woman. Because that's like a maniac kind of manipulative, hurtful person who does whatever it takes to try to steal this guy that she decided 10 minutes earlier that she liked. It's true. That person's a way worse character than. I think by the end of the decade and also the beginning of the aughts, there's a lot more movies that pit women against each other as like a mutation of the rom-com. and those are probably on the surface, like, not quite as anti-woke,

but maybe more, like, detrimental to, like, conceptions of women in film. Not to get too deep. You know it the worst one ever, though, for Romco? Ride Wars? What was the one where Jennifer Aniston, Paul Rudd's gay? Picture perfect. No, when she tries to flip Paul Rudd. Oh.

They have a kid. Oh, yeah. Pieces of me or something like that? Object of my affection. Yeah, that's a tough one. They don't even show that movie anymore. That's a tough one. Jennifer Aniston.

She's made a couple of bad ones because picture perfect's really bad too. I recently rewatched that. I recently rewatch it and it's like really bad. It kind of reminded me of the Amy Schumer movie. What's that called? Bill Hader. Train wreck. Train wreck, but offensive and like not and just tough.

There are a lot of tough ones. And I, just because the setups are offensive, like that you shouldn't like lie about being in love with someone in a coma. That's just a, you know, I know you love why you were sleeping. Can you stop? It's a great movie. Whatever. Okay. Shots fire.

I'm really upset about this. Chicago set movie. Oh my God. Public transportation. Peter Gallagher and Bill Pullman. She lies to the entire family of a man in a coma, fabricates a relationship, including like some, you know, special parts of his genitalia that only she would know. And then at the end of after, you know, lying to the whole family dumps him for his brother.

They need a model behavior. They needed a galvanizing course. Okay. heard. They needed someone with a lot of charm to get through the coma, and they did. There are many problems with many rom-coms. And I just think we were talking about this as the kind of the start of a whole rom-com era. And so I think of it's the model on which all of these other rom-coms are based.

And so there are some lessons baked into it that I just tried to read. The lead characters just got crazier and crazier there for like a seven-year stretch. But now it seems like it's calmed down. Or they just don't really make them as much anymore. Now Netflix is making the modern version of them. and the characters I don't think are as crazy. At least I haven't seen it. Maybe it's coming.

I think we all agree what stage is the worst is the sexual assault. I have no idea why that's in this movie. Oh my God. Casting, what ifs? Oh, my God. Holy shit. We have a lot of. Taking a deep breath.

Look at this. This is the all-time record. Bert Reynolds offered the role of Edward Lewis and declined. That's disgusting. Yeah. That's just unbelievably gross. Set on Pierce, Morg. in 2012, after he saw the film

the love-making scenes with Julia Roberts, he made a mistake and not taking the part. That's disgusting. Didn't go over great. That's disgusting. Didn't go over great on the internet that day for Bert. I hope to never hear Bert Reynolds say, love-making.

Yeah, he's dead, so that one other. Okay, Jesus Christ. Al Pacino turned down the role of Edward after a screen test with Julia Roberts. That movie does not work. No. You know who people don't want to see like hooking up with Julie Roberts?

Al Pacino. That's true. I don't anyway. John Travolta also auditioned, but they picked Richard Gear. John Travolta was ice cold at the time. Ironically, Travolta turned down American Gigolo in 1979. Richard Greer got the part, became a star. I don't know if this is true.

This is why it's half-ass internet research, but I'm going to read it anyway. Gear and Roberts had obvious chemistry upon their first meeting. However, Gear was not planning on taking the role. He was on the phone ready to turn them the part when Roberts slid him a post-it note with the words, quote, please say yes, unquote on it. He accepted the role right then. That sounds too cute.

I don't know if that's true. What do you think? I'm just going to believe it. I mean, what's the point of liking this movie if you don't also just embrace that fact? Everything I know about Julia Roberts, IRL, suggests she would not do that. Yeah.

It seems far-fetched. Richard Geer plays a corporate raider three years earlier. Turn down the role of Gordon Gecko in Wall Street. Oh, interesting. Ouch. I would have liked Michael Douglas in this movie. I'm saying through it.

That's a good one. Who's better in this movie? Michael Douglas or Richard Gere. I have another one to throw at you as well. Who? Robert Radford. Oh, my God. But he's too...

Too old to that point? He does this role in an indecent proposal, basically. No. Does it five years later. He's also a good movie. Yeah, I like that movie. Too handsome for it. Good gambling scene in a decent proposal.

I mean, I didn't really like understand Demi Moore as a child until I saw an decent proposal. Yeah. Two more people turned out in the role of Edward Lewis that we know. know of definitely. Albert Brooks. I don't understand that at all. A Jewish take on this would have been really different. A Jewish...

That could be a remake. A Jewish Edward Lewis. Edward Levin. Slice Stallone also turned it down. That could have been okay. Very different movie. But I kind of like am curious what that would have looked like. Demi Moore turned down the kit roll.

Oh. I think that's the right choice for her at that point in her career. She would have been very... It would have been too similar. to the St. Elmo's Fire role. Uma Thurman and Brookshield's audition for Vivian. Winona Ryder audition but was too young, deemed too young. Gary Marshall wanted Karen Allen or Meg Ryan

and they declined. That's, Meg Ryan is this movie's direct to video. That just doesn't work. She's all the same sex appeal. I think Vivian needs to be early 20s. It's the best age. I think Julie Roberts height is really important in this movie too, the way that she towers over.

Jason Alexander and just has that physical presence. Molly Ringwald turned it down. Wait for it. She has since stated that she regrets it. I would hope so. Yeah. So she's not stupid. Diane Lane.

Oh. Very close to playing Vivian. I would have enjoyed that. Had to pull out at the final moment due to scheduling conflicts. The script was much darker than they basically make it. It becomes unfaithful, I guess, pieces of it. Michelle Fife. I've turned it down.

And then this is half-assed. Valerie Galino, Kristen Davis, Jennifer Connolly, Darrell, Hannah. Sarah Jessica Parker and Sandra Parker allegedly turned it down. Who knows?

I don't believe many of those. I don't believe. That's why it's half-assed. Okay. So there you go. The D.N. Waiters Award. Best heat check in the movie. I have as nominees,

Laura San Jacamo as kid. Sure. Hector Elizondo. Mm-hmm. And the bug-eyed elevator guy. Those are my three. Oh, yeah. So I think Hector Alizando

is more than just the Dionne Waiter's heat check performance in this movie. So I think it's not him because he's just like too big for the award. He's really only in like four scenes. What a punchy packs. Yeah, well, it's not what we think of as a traditional heat check performance because it's not loud.

Yeah. I actually think the answer is Laura Sinja. I do too. She's into like five scenes. Yeah. Always like there's sex lies and videotape right around the same time. She had a good career, but I always liked her more than what her career ended up being.

I actually felt like it could have gone a level higher. I wasn't to just shoot me. Yeah. I liked that show that she was on. She's good. She's cute. Hector Alando, he deserves some sort of award. I don't know what it is.

Should we introduce the new character? Yeah. He's amazing. Oh, I have an award for him. New award. This is exciting. This might be the only time we do this. The Vivian Award for Best Outfit.

Yes. Wonderful. Here are the nominees. This is so exciting. I thought it would be fun. here if I wrote them down how with my description of them because I think you'll enjoy that. Okay.

Here are the nominees. First cocktail dress black with neck thingy. It's a great dress. Yeah. Post-shopping spree white button dress with black hat. Yes, that's an amazing one. It's very barbell. She walks on on Reneuve. You've got a future in fashion credits. Continue.

Brown polka dot dress at polo match. Yeah. An iconic look. Yeah. Red opera dress. Yeah. Blood orange short suit with cat. Yes. Love it.

Those are five nominees. What do we have? My pick is the polka dot dress. I absolutely love it. Love the belt. Just think she looks amazing. Wondering why she's not wearing a bra, but whatever. Did you notice that?

I did. It's sort of weird. So as the digital, as the prints of this movie get better in the streaming, it's kind of see-through. Yeah. It's also just like a lot of movement. I don't understand why she did that. But. It was a move.

Might it be why someone was so suspicious of her because who would do that. But anyway, I love that look so much. I think she looks amazing. Runner up for me is the black cocktail dress. I just think she looks stunning in that. That's the first cocktail dress. Yeah. The polka-dye dress is the objective answer.

I feel like that's the iconic one that I think of. It's the breakfast that Tiffany's look for her. Like her own version of that. Yeah, it is. I think when we were discussing this award, I said that I was going to do the coral short suit because I just want that to be my 2019 look. But when rewatching for me, it's the cocktail dress.

It's the first black cocktail dress. Her hair is amazing in that too. Unbelievable. How beautiful she looks. It looks great. I vote for the brown polka dot dress because my wife said it's her single favorite thing anyone's ever worn in a movie. I agree with her. There's a quote for my wife.

I really agree with her. Also, the belt is amazing. It also was timeless. She could have would have worn it in any decade. Also, you know, who took a gamut. at it was David Morse. He liked it. Then my wife threw out the, I've always liked that guy.

He was hot. Go Google him now and we Googled him and he's like this old English actor now. And you'll feel really old if you even Google. Okay. So there you go. All right. So I think by a two to one vote, brown polka dot dress wins. That's the right answer.

I said that that's the objective answer. It's a unanimous vote, but I just wanted to share some Felix. I mean, just a stunning amount of half-ass internet research. Oh, great. Is this a time for? Geography? No, it's a... No, no, it's coming.

I think that was a midpix. Neither Ferrari nor Porsche wanted their car to be used in the movie. That's how they ended up with the Lotus. Big mistake. Bad move by the Ferrari. Huge mistake. Yeah.

Dumbasses. The movie made $468 billion. Don't you want to become the sign of riches? Like, idiotic. The homeless man that Edward asked for directions? Mm-hmm. Gary Marshall, the director. Oh, really?

Oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah. Richard Gere is actually playing the piano. Really? And composed the piece of music. That is played. Don't believe that part. I don't believe it.

I did wonder what it was because it was not like he was playing Beethoven. Yeah. You guys probably both know this. But in the dinner scene when Vivian flings the snail along across the room and the waiter says it happens all the time. Same actor. Gary Marshall, the director in the Princess Diaries, same line. I'm not familiar with that movie. Okay.

The necklace that she wore to the opera really did cost $250,000. Can I just say I thought that was low? Interesting. Well, 1990. I mean, I know, but... That's like $5 million now. Really? $4 million? 30 years? Wow.

I'm never good with this stuff. Okay. A security man from the jewelry store equipped with the gun was standing behind the director during the entire seat with the necklace. Incredible. This is weird. During the sex scene, Julie Roberts got so nervous, a visible vein popped out of her forehead. Which sex scene?

The one when they finally, like, kissed on the mouth and go at it. Okay. Gary Marshall and Richard Gear massaged her forewheres. forehead until the vein disappeared. She broke out in hives and was given calamine lotion until they were finally able to shoot the scene. I don't know. I'm just passing this long. I don't even know what that is. Also in that situation.

Massaging the vein? I just don't think calamine lotion is going to help at that juncture with that level of with hives. It's not working that quickly. Just my take. The Las Pomas Hotel was where Vivian's apartment was. It's still there today. Okay. Yeah. We'll see it. Anytime. The polo match was shot at the L.A. Equestrian Center

in Burbank. Oh. See, I thought it was headed towards Pasadena. Interesting. Yeah. 75 lush acres. Oh. The bathtub in the scene where Vivian was singing had a lot of detergent in it to make a lot of thick bubbles. And it was so strong, it rinsed the red diet of Julie Roberts, Sarah.

Wow. It's a re-diet that night. Wow. They also, when she had her eyes closed with the headphones on, the whole crew left, and she opened her eyes and there was nobody in there. They played a practical joke on her because she was so beloved by the set back then. The last one, I don't think is true. And I actually watched a movie to see if it...

It said Gary Marshall was tickling Julie Roberts' feet out of camera range to get her laugh during I love Lucy. Oh, yeah. Then when you see it, you see her whole body. I don't think that's true. Don't sneak your half-assed internet research by me. It doesn't work. Apex Mountain?

I say yes for Richard Gear. Interesting. Because he had internal affairs. same year. That was a big movie. And it just felt like he had a nice run after this. Yeah. What comes after this? Not a lot of good stuff for him. I guess it is his APEC. I mean, also like just... He basically starts moving into the Michael Douglas role of the older handsome white guy who gets into predicaments. Yeah. I guess it's his apex. I'll accept that. Dr. Elizondo? Yeah, absolutely. Although I just want to say, Chicago Hope is a great show and he was very good on it.

Julie Roberts, we already decided this one. We said it was my best friend's wedding era, right? I think it's probably not her apex and says launched her right. Yeah. But she's excellent in it and just stunning. David Morris, yes, whoever played that guy. Other than that, not a lot of apex. The Joey Pants Award, this is what we'll give to Hector Elizondo.

Okay. Can you remind me what it is again? It's the Joe Pantelianna Award. I know. That guy. Okay, that guy. All right. I think we know him as Hector Elizando.

but I think a lot of people would know him as that guy from who played the hotel manager. He's great in this. She wins him over a little too fast. It goes from Wise's Hooker in my hotel to, hey, can I get you on the phone with my... She's that charming. That works for me.

You've got to keep the movie going. Also, I think this is similar to The Bachelor. When you're around so many weirdos and rich people who are robotic, when you meet a normal person that you can just talk to regularly, it's like really charming. So he's probably used to, like, so many jerks that come into his hotel then when he meets this woman who's just like silly and different, he's like excited. I have a take that neither of you are going to like.

All right. Great. I think he kind of wanted to hook up with her. Oh, that's not what I thought you were going to say. I think he was putting in the time in case he needed to circle back later. Yeah, watch him again. A couple long looks from Hector. A little inappropriate.

Uncle Hector wouldn't do that. Wasn't just the benevolent uncle. I don't know. Come on, man. He was laying the ground worse for me. That's the age's the worst for me. I don't need that in the movie. I love the scene when he makes the phone call and she's listening.

Yeah. I like that a lot. The other Joey Pants nominee, Ralph Bellamy, who most famously for my generation was one of the two guys in trading places, the old guys that Eddie Murphy and those guys steal from. He was 87 in this movie. Really?

It was his final movie. He dies right after the movie. Ralph Bellamy died for this, and it was worth it. He did a great job. Ralph, I don't mean to sound condescending. No. I'm not going to do it.

The guy died. Saw Rubenek, they knew for overacting award. Costanza in the hotel suite, they're in the little faded sexual assault scene, really dows it up to levels that were just heinous. He's just disgusting. He's horrible. Yeah, he's bad. That's my vote as well.

I don't think there's any other nominee. All right, let's pick some nits. Okay. Where do we begin? So Kit blew their rent money on drugs at the beginning of the movie. Now she's fine, but she's not a drug addict. It's very Van der Pumper rules. She's kind of samples the drugs.

It's very similar to the cast of Vandrump Rules who obviously do a lot of drugs but aren't addicts. So I buy it. I think that's a way of life in the fast lane of Hollywood. We covered a hooker who knows how to drive a lotus. I don't know how to drive a lotus. I would know how to drive it. It's not a lotus that she knows how to drive.

She knows how to drive that type of, like that build of car. I don't know. I'm not biased. thing in this movie is what I'm saying. Okay. Why did Richard gear tell his lawyer that Vivian was a hooker? My wife and I argued about this last night. She said

he had to tell her because then that leads to the scene where now the lawyer knows. I mean, plot wise, yeah, that it is a plot device. I just think as a character for such a smart guy, that's just like a bad move. He knows his lawyer is a scumbag. Also, he

says later on, I wasn't prepared to answer questions. Well, dude, I thought you were smart. Prepare that. Yeah, you're like this billionaire who makes scissors all the time. He's taken out. I doubt it. I doubt this is his first time. Really? He knew where to go. Maybe he doesn't always procure them the same

way, but I can't imagine this is his first prostitute. I don't read it that way. I mean, because they set up this series of women who have been in his life who he tries to treat as like, you know, the girlfriend who's on the other phone and it's like, I'm not at your back on call all over the

time. So I think you're meant to think that he would like to have a more transactional relationship with the women in his life, but perhaps he is not actually formalized. He's used to treat them like prostitutes who never really been with one. There we go. Okay. I don't know. I just feel like...

Too smart for that one. Well, I think part of it was that the guy was like, I think that she's a spy. And I mean, the George Costanza character, the Jason Alexander character is like so annoying that probably the only way to convince someone that he's, convince him she's not a spy is to tell him some other ridiculous thing, you know? So I understand that logic. Also, technically, he's his lawyer,

so it's supposed to be a confidential arrangement. She doesn't kiss on the mouth. Okay. This is a problem for me. All right, let's go. Let's hear it. I just think that's a weird boundary.

Yeah. Yes. She said, I'll do anything else. Anything else. She's the opposite. She puts everything on the table. Every single thing except for don't kiss me in the mouth. It's everything but for her except it's kissing, not sex.

It's weird. It just doesn't make sense. She said everything else. Yeah, and I think based on her behavior, that's believable. If I'm going to have the don't kiss me on the mouth rule, I'm going to say, but I'll do just about anything else. I'll do anything else means I'll do anything. You can't throw that out on the table.

I think that she's just Yeah, it's absurd. It's like a weird It's a weird rom-com trope that doesn't make any sense. I'm just going to say In the whole scene, no, I just in the whole scene, the whole spectrum of arrangements that are made in this movie by the sex worker and the corporate raider,

no kissing on the mouth isn't the nitpick that I would have chosen. It's not your top nitpick? I just, the whole arrangement seems so preposterous. I think the fact that there's no kissing is just makes it even more preposterous. It sits at it for late in the movie when they finally kiss on the mouth. Well, now they're kissing in the mouth. Yeah, that's good. It's just, I'm just saying fundamentally ludicrous.

All right. What other nitpick did you have? Oh, let's talk about location. Yeah. So the movie begins with him in probably Bel Air. Maybe the Hollywood Hills were being generous, the west side of them. He comes to Hollywood Boulevard to meet Vivian. It's very unclear how he ends up on Hollywood Boulevard from where that party was.

I'm pretty sure I know what that house is. It looks like a ship from the outside and has like this white metal railing around it. I think that's what it is. But I think they said they were in a Bel Air. In any case, he travels a long distance out of the way to go to find her in Hollywood and then go back to Beverly Hills. So it would have been better to be in Los Felice. Yes. You need a Los Feliz.

Now the listeners are pouring gasoline on themselves who aren't from L.A. But he said he matches. He drove east to go back west, like right away. Right. It just didn't make sense. So the polo match, Burbank from Beverly Hills, that's a long limo ride. You know what Edwards doing in real life? He's taking a helicopter.

Helicopterian. 100%. There's plenty of pads in both Beverly Hills and Burbank. I was watching some 902 and O season five after Morning Luke Perry's tragic loss. The Dylan's drinking season. I'm deep in season four, right behind you. The geographical homicides that are committed constantly in that show. Oh, my God.

I mean. They're living in Hermosa Beach at this hotel and then it's like, oh, I left something at the peach pit. It's like nobody's ever in traffic. It's amazing. Where do you think the peach pit is supposed to be? Like on Wilshire somewhere? I always thought it was like Wilshire Beverly Hills area. It was filmed in Van Nuys, but I always thought it was like probably like a great.

Like a Wilshire part of Beverly Hills. That movie takes a lot of liberties. We also never find out where, I mean, that show. We also never find out what California University is. Best quote. I mean, like we can just run through the runner ups. Go ahead. No, you do the runner-out.

I didn't really have any runners. There's a winner. This category is so easy. Big mistake. Big mistake. Hello, do you remember me? No, I'm sorry. I was in here yesterday.

You wouldn't wait on me? Oh, you work on commission, right? Yes. Big mistake. Big. Huge. I have to go shopping now. Honorable mentioned to my wife, who after the old guy helps out

Julia Roberts with the which fork is which she goes you bring a hooker to dinner and you find out who's a good person which I thought was a good high school yearbook quote for the for the kids out there definitely I actually think that is weirdly as usual with my wife weirdly wise and true yeah definitely who treats her with dignity and respect

because she's just a human like the rest of us Terry Simmons does it again I learned like how you're supposed to navigate somewhere from that scene I didn't know It's important. People put you down enough you start to believe it is also really good. Yeah.

Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? I was shocked by how fast I said yes. So can we do that? Could this movie be made today? It's almost like a cross between this and girlfriend experiment where it's just, it's Sasha Gray is now the... It would just be grittier, I think.

Oh, yeah. And I feel like the original ending to this movie is more likely to get made today than certainly on Netflix. than the fairy tale version. I would at least watch the first episode. I'd just tell you now. I watched the first episode, but I vote no.

I think this is a good under two-hour experience. But you wouldn't, you would want to revisit the 30 years later? What is Edward's job in 2019? Silicon Valley. Or Silicon Valley? I'm going to go with finance. You're both wrong. I think finance.

What is it? You're wrong. Own sports team. I think he works for Facebook. Oh. That's Silicon Valley. That's what I said. No, but he works for Facebook and he's up to bad stuff.

I don't agree with that. He's like Mark Zuckerberg's right-hand guy and he's covering up shit on the internet. I don't agree. He's like a co-conspirator of like the Donald Trump types in New York where he's like just works in finance and makes like horrific decisions that affect tons of people but doesn't care. Wow. That's pretty good. That's fine.

I would watch it. Probably unanswerable questions. If they, this is one of the best ones I've ever come up with. Actually, I'm going to save it for last. Okay. Okay. What L.A. Hotel would this be filmed at in 2019? They wouldn't allow filming, but it would make the most sense for it to be the Beverly Hills Hotel.

There's no question. Oh, the pink. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the montage would actually pay to be in it. Okay. So that's more realistic. Yeah. Okay.

How long did they stay together? I'm so glad you went this direction. Wait, hold on. I think also Sunset Tower would be a great location for this. I was just thinking about it. That's, and especially if you're, yeah. How long did they? they stay together?

I mean, this is why this is so screwed up, because I'm like forever, you know, it works, which is like, what is that about? Why can't I assess this realistically? I give it a quick marriage after nine months and then a divorce after another one year. So I'm going to go with 20 months. Wow. I think that's... I think they never, she moves to New York with them, starts falling around.

Disgruntled George Costanza spreads the hooker thing. That's a hooker. That's how they met. She was a Calgary on Holly Boulevard. Edward gets professionally embarrassed and then she dies of an overdose that she may or may not have done herself. It's really dark.

The sequel is dark. She's dead. She's dead in a year. What is the point of enjoying this movie if you guys are suddenly killing her off in this sequel? What the hell? George Cassidy is the most evil character ever.

He's going to ruin them. Yeah, I think that's true. Okay, so let's, no, no, no, let's spin this out. You guys are nuts. So I think you got to start with the business decision that he makes that now they're like going to build big ships together. And that obviously goes wrong, right? Oh, you think she's like a vice president at the new shipping company? No, I just think I think that that decision affects his professional life.

And does he respond by being really angry and becoming like an even worse business person or does he get out of the game? Well, now he knows that every once in a while take off your shoes. Right. Step on the grass. It bothered me he didn't take his shoes off when they were lying on the grass when they were reading Shakespeare together. He just like, can't you relax a little bit more, man? I forgot to put this in nip-pix. How do we feel about that date?

I'm going to take the hooker to the park now and read- And read Shakespeare? No, it's not even Shakespeare. The book is Shakespeare quotations. It's not even like a full Shakespeare play. They just got like a book of quotes. Just get some sonnets at least. Yeah.

Some poetry. So much more romantic than us Amanda thinks that they stay together for years to get married. No, I'm just trying to play it out. So do we think, because I think if he actually quits the business stuff, then he's turned over a whole new leaf. Also, as we've learned through the therapy scene, which I actually think about a lot that, I think it's a funny scene. I'm very angry with my father. It cost me $10,000 in therapy to say that. I'm very angry, which is a very funny Richard Gere moment.

I was very angry with him. It cost me $10,000 in therapy to say that sentence. I was very angry with him. I did very well, don't I? I'll say it again. I was very angry with him. Hello, my name is Mr. Lewis. I'm very angry with my father.

I would have been angry. So he's susceptible to growth, contrary to what producer Craig said, because he goes to therapy and he learns lessons. Craigie downer. Yeah, no. So I can't believe that I'm here defending this whole movie. So if he continues to evolve, then, Maybe they last like five years.

I don't think so. Okay, that's fine. But maybe. I just think this isn't the real world. It's a fairy tale. If we're engaging this on the real world, then literally none of this shit happens. It's real to me. Oh, okay.

All right, this is the best unanswerable question I've ever had in 70 episodes of this rewatchful podcast. If they remade this movie in 2019, what would Vivian have to be wearing that could horrify any Beverly Hills store worker. Oh, wow. Because the outfits that she wears in the first 30 minutes of this movie is actually an outfit I could see at a clipper game tomorrow night. Totally, especially the boots. Those are like really in right now, Kardashian style. Hmm.

Yeah. Well. This is why it's unanswerable. Do you know what I think it might be? I think she'd have to be just naked. No, I think something that's a little bit of a throwback that's like with your thong straps like pulled above your low rise jeans. Like that would be so gross. ugly. I can see that becoming a style, unfortunately, but I think like that kind of thing from

like the 90s would be really rough. This is also just, I think that the wrong version of this outfit still horrifies people. Okay. You know, like the store owners can tell the difference between Versace and Gucci and, you know, the things that an actual person in Vivian's position would wear. I have at least one friend of my daughters who probably sees her first outfit in this movie. It's like, cool. Oh, okay. Where do I get that? that. Yeah. I told you.

You mean the brown looking out dress, right? Yeah. She's like, cool, where do I get that? I don't know

what it would be maybe a bra in public? No, that's fine. No. I mean, it depends. Well, if you walked in a wheelchair or the bra.

What kind of bra? What if it was just a bra? And who are you? That's the thing. Now it's just based moron. See, this is why it's unanswerable.

Yeah. Who won the movie? I mean, there's Julia. It's one of the easiest. Queen. Yeah. She's amazing.

Did we leave it? Anything else? One thing I never noticed before is how pink the inside of the suite was in their suite at the Regent Beverly Wilshire. Yeah, on trend. Yes. 30 years early. Totally.

Yeah. Very pink room. That's on trend now? Millennial pink, yeah. Really? Yeah. I think that an unheralded moment also is her singing prince. It's just amazing.

It's really delightful. I wanted to end the podcast with this. I'm not a fan in this movie, but I feel like we have to at least mention it. One runaway bride was the unofficial pretty woman sequel. Do we acknowledge that? No. Does that fit into a little pretty woman's fear? It doesn't.

It's a different, no. It's out. I mean, it's not a direct sequel. Yeah. And I don't accept. It's not part of the canon. But it's them together. Yeah.

But I think you talk about Sleebles in Seattle as a standalone and I even like you've got male. They just happened to be like a casting reunion, but. Does it make you mad that they made runaway bride? No. No. It's easy to ignore it. It's that's say, we just shove it off to the side.

Yeah, absolutely. Just pretend it didn't happen. It's somewhat a problematic setup as well. So we just, it's a no. What was the setup? I don't remember. It's just like. She keeps abandoning her weddings, right?

Right, because she doesn't know who she is or something. So she has to, like, eat a bunch of eggs to find out or something. And then he's like a reporter, trying to find out about it. It does kind of flip some of the rom-com stuff on its head. Is it set in America? Yeah. Yeah. It's like upstate New York or something like that.

That sounds awful. It's not a good movie. Why did she make that? Plus she was a runaway bread. Money. Yeah, we have established that not all of the project choices were great. But it's okay. We love her anyway.

All right. I think we covered everything. Yeah. This was really fun. It was great. Great one. She's so happy. It's so nice.

I'm so glad you're happy, Julia. Thanks for having on this podcast. This is great. Juliet and Amanda. Pleasure as always. We have Fast Five next week with the one the only, Shea Serrano. That really is the greatest movie of all time. But until then,

Producer Craig, you suck. What?