The Rewatchables - ‘Reservoir Dogs’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: July 26, 2019

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan argue over who has to be Mr. Pink as they rewatch Quentin Tarantino’s directorial debut, ‘Reservoir Dogs,’ starring Harvey Keitel, Steve Buscemi, and Tim Roth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Might have to be a rewatchables pod. I will not be ignored, Sean. Head to voodoo.com slash rewatchables to sign up and start watching today. That is VU-D-U.com slash rewatchables. Coming up, Reservar Dogs. Chris, you're Mr. Yellow. Sean, you're Mr. Brown. I pick.

Be thankful you're not Mr. Yellow, Sean. Reservoir Dogs coming up. Hey your name. Mr. White. Mr. Blonde. Mr. Pink. Why am I Mr. Pink? Who cares where your name is? Yeah, that's easy for you to say. You're Mr. White. You have a cool-sounding name. That's got to work. What happens if the manager won't give you the diamonds?

Cut off one of his fingers. The little one. You're under arrest, sugar. Tim Roth, Chris Penn, Steve Boshimi, Lawrence Tierney, and Michael Madsen, there, the reservoir dogs. Hey, Joe, I'm going to shoot this guy. All right, Chris Ryan is here. Sean Fantasy is here. We've been circled in this movie since we started this podcast way back in 1994.

It feels that way. Is this the most early version of the 1990s movie, Chris Ryan? Oh, is it like the first 90s movie? Is this the first 1990s movie where you go like, all right, what is the list of the 1990s movies? That's a great question, man. Is this the first one? It's 1992. It was for me.

It was for me because especially if I think about the 90s in terms of like my life, like those first five or six years were so formative. Because it's like high school and the beginning of college essentially. And this this movie changed my life. So yeah, I think to me it's the thing I associate with the 90s as much as any. Does it usher in a different era of. There's this old era that ends in the late 80s with... It's not the first. Not the first.

What do you have for first? Sex lies and videotape and boys in the hood, I think, are the two big ones that kind of signal what this movie continues, which is indie-minded festival entries from young people who are going to basically take over Hollywood for the future. And they have very provocative ways to tell their stories that we really haven't seen before in American movies. this one though I don't know if it was the noisiest it might have been the most influential this might be the one that meant the most to the most people

who went on to go make movies I have here's my pick do the right thing which did not come out in the 1990s right yeah it's a 1989 movie that we're going to do on this podcast at some point soon but I was talking to Jay Adande randomly about this week

and he was saying the influence that movie had for everything that happened in the 1990s makes it feel like it was a 1990s movie and it was kind of when you look at it on IMDB it's a mistake this movie you know it did not make a lot of money I do feel like a lot of people came late to the party yeah after Pulp Fiction and then circled back and rented reservoir dogs it was more of a critical sensation and among real like movie nerds it was like this is a major event but I don't know that it necessarily made like a huge cultural impact and until later. Yeah. Did it make a culture impact out? Do you think it did? It definitely had an impact on movies. I think it changed the way people talked.

I mean, at least from my generation, I think it changed the way people, like, related to one another in social situations. It was like a hugely impactful movie, like the dialogue. Like, I sometimes think I talk the way I do because of this movie. It's not overstating it to say that it changed my life. Okay, good. Yeah. Like, it definitely changed my life.

Good. This movie. Sometimes I don't know because. I think we were all movie nerds. And, you know, I remember where I saw this movie. And it's like a lot of other movies that we've talked about in this pod. I would also say the distinct impression. It kind of reminds me of like the way, you know, like when you're a kid and you get really into these things like,

whether you're in Star Wars or whether you're really into baseball or something like that. It doesn't matter. But like this is one of the first things I remember. Well, okay, I've seen this. And now everything else after this is going to be like somehow related to this. It's going to impact the way I listen to music. It's going to impact what movies I watch. I want to watch every movie that he watched when he made this.

I want to watch every movie that has Reservoir Dogs as a reference that comes out after it. So every bunch of guys committing a crime movie that would come out. And with shades of Reservoir Dogs, I was like, I'm in, I'm going. I go on the first night. I got to see it. I got to see every heist movie. It just completely shaped how you kind of like related to pop culture for a while.

Yeah, my fear, and not a fear. It's just I do think it is one of those things. Like Roger Clemens had this game where he struck out 20 guys at Fenwood. Park and 9,000, like 10,000 people were there, but as the years passed, like 500,000 people were there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it became one of those things. And the reality is reservoir dogs did not make a lot of money and, you know, was not a runaway sensation by any means. But that was a lot more. But it set up Pulp Fiction, which was a sensation. And even Reservoir Dogs a success at the time relative to like what we consider a success now. I mean, it was, I think it was

considered a success. I mean, Tarantino talked about finishing this movie and, knowing that he was going to have a career after he finished it, like that he was going to be making movies for as long as he basically wanted to. Well, defining success is an interesting way to think about it because it only made like $3 million at the box office, but it was a huge home video release. Yes. And a lot of people, I certainly saw it at home. I didn't see anything.

I was 10 years old when the movie was released. There's no way, my parents were pretty permissive with movies, but there was no way they were going to let me go see the movie where the guy gets his ear cut off at 10 years old. So I had to find a way to convince my parents to rent it from, blockbuster, probably a year and a half later, maybe two years later. I didn't see it at the time, but I was aware of it. And I remember watching the trailer online, early internet, downloading quick time videos, which took a day and a half to download them onto your phone, through your phone line, and watching it over and over again and hearing like Steelers wheel and not knowing anything

about that and figuring out what that is and hearing all of that, like you're under arrest sugar and trying to figure out what that's from. Yeah. And all of the little tiny pieces and doing what Chris is saying, which is trying to figure out this pop culture puzzle that he had built and then cut up into all those little pieces

and trying to put it back together again. It had that effect on you as a really young person too where I was absorbing everything at such a high intensity, not like now where like I get something new and it goes into my head and then it goes out of my head. Everything that happened in this movie, I was like, oh, this is how you talk about comic books. Yeah.

This is how you talk about TV. Also, this is how you talk about music. Listen to the soundtrack for, probably a year after the movie came out. You know, I got it on CD or whatever, and I just listened to it all the time. All my friends listened to it, go over to somebody's house,

the reservoir dog's soundtrack was playing. It was a cultural moment in a way that it's really hard to achieve now. Because like Sean's saying, there's just so much going on that it's hard to imagine something. I guess probably for kids that were my age back then, they may feel that way about Marvel.

They may feel that way about Guardians of the Galaxy, and they listen to the Guardians of Galaxy soundtrack I could think about that a lot. But I got to say living in Boston, I was not having a lot of reservoir dog conversations for about a year. It was pretty underground. I wasn't, I'm not saying I was either. No, no, it's just. It was an experience of one for me.

Like, it was just me doing it by myself. Oh, it was huge in my high school. But it was huge in your high school. Interesting. So this is this weird stretch. And I lived in either Worcester or Boston for all of it, where when a movie came out and it mattered, it really mattered in a significant. thinking way that I don't feel there's just too many things to spend your attention on these days. Yep.

But this movie came out, I'm pretty sure it was right around when singles came out. It was like fall in 1992. And there was a whole bunch of good movies that came out right around there. But these movies that just, I just graduated from college that hit me in different ways. And it was just really important. Yeah. And I was like, holy shit. For a lot of people, like, they didn't know anything about the French New Wave or about

the Italian spaghetti westerns or about like cool French crime movies from the 60s or whatever. And so when you see this movie and you get to the commode story or you get to the first time when they cut away from the warehouse and they start, I guess it's Mr. White's story. Is he the first one? I think it's Katel. You're just like, wait a second. How is this working? I think it's earlier in that, though, because when it starts with the Madonna story and that argument, I just never seen that in a movie before. And it was like the kind of shit I would talk about with my friends in college at 2.30 in the morning sitting on our roof.

And he knows it because that's how he starts the moment. And it was like, oh, wow, somebody's actually doing this. Like, this is, first of all, I'm jealous of this idea. It's a great fucking idea. And then just to have this theory on this Madonna album. And then just hearing people talk with this, like, this is how I talk with my friends. Yeah. We're doing this now in movies?

It's how we do this whole company. You know, we're talking about, like, crazy theories and weird pop cultural arcana and the things we love and why we love it. And he managed to fit those feelings inside of heist movies or, you know, high, level like martial arts movies or westerns. Like that's what he's been doing all this time is taking his general approach to when I sit down and talk with my friends here. Here's what we talk about. And then just putting that inside of a drug deal.

It was like that movie we talked about on a previous pod about his cameo and sleep with me. And his whole thing about how Top Gun, they were a big gay fighting machine. And they're just at this cocktail party. And this is really not very good movie that has good parts. And then this whole thing is in there. And I'm like, this is amazing. I would love to go to a party where this guy was there with fucking weird.

is like this? Coming out of, one of the hallmarks of the 90s, I think, is at least retrospectively, when you think back on it, it's like this, like, whether you think of it as slack or aesthetic or grunge aesthetic or even just like that kind of ironic indie aesthetic from that decade that was around, this movie's not quite that. This movie is not modest. He opens it up with this scene of him talking for five minutes while Harvey Kytel and Tim Roth and Eddie Bunker.

who really robbed Banks and Chris Penn and all these guys, they have to listen to him. And he pretty much announces immediately, this is my fucking movie. It's a film by Quentin Tarantino. I wrote and directed it. These guys are doing my thing. They're saying my words.

We're going to do long takes so that it's just like, you guys say my shit. And it was kind of breathtaking to see that because I was more used to this idea of like everything, nothing really matters. Everything's kind of like this cryptic joke. And it's not like this movie is like particularly socially, relevant or says anything about the world as much as it says about a mode of existence.

But I still think about that to this day about what balls it must have taken to just be like, here's how this movie starts. I talk for five minutes about Madonna. What the fuck? How could that happen? The other thing that was going on back then. So you had premiere magazine, you'd spy magazine. You'd William Goldman writing in New York magazine.

And it was the first time. Entertainment Weekly. That's how I became aware of this. It's around this. I learned about it, like, probably through a movie line, too. 92? Yeah. So, you know, I was post-college in 92, but first 20 years of my life, I didn't really know that much about movies.

I just watch movies and then we talk about them with people in my life, and that's it. And then something shifted in the late 80s. And, you know, sex lies and videotape was one of the first times I remember hearing the story of how a movie was made. The same thing was, she's got to have it. where the story of how a film got made became a thing and it became part of how you sold the movie and like this guy, we found him and then it came up that way.

And it was also, there was just enough distance with the 70s movies where people were starting to dissect, you know, there's enough distance where you could dissect like the Vietnam era of all those movies and then the Scorsese influence and the godfather was becoming a thing. And I just felt like the intelligence was going up for who followed movies and who I could. talk about it with. And then in order, we have in 90s, sex lies and videotape, we have a

91 boys in the hood, we have Sundance blowing up. That's a huge part of this. And then we have reservoir dogs and it's like all, the exact time when reservoir dogs came out to me makes perfect sense. Yeah. And also I think it's, you can't really understate the importance of video stores. Right. And this is being the culmination of the video store aesthetic. You get, you start with video stores and you maybe have them be like the beginning of this this you know platform and the home entertainment or whatever and and you know like i remember there was a video store at the corner of my house that had maybe like 300 movies or something like that 200 movies but then you get you had chains like suncoast or blockbuster or whatever but then there was also the video store where you walk in

and they would have the sections like the kind that tarantino would make it the video store he worked at in l.a where it's like this director or french heist movies or that like or just like lee martin in movies. And basically, like, it was a free film school or it was a low-cost film school. And you could go into these places. And if there was the right kind of person behind the counter, they'd be like, I'm going to educate you about this. And essentially, Tarantino is distilling that information and that aesthetic into this movie. You know, it was like he talks about how he used to program shelves at the video story worked at as if it was like a film festival. But the thing that has always been exciting to me about that stuff that you're talking about, like filmmakers are

always putting their influences and their homages into movies. It's this huge, you know, the George Lucas, Coppola, that whole generation was so influenced by the New Wave movies. And you can see them putting that stuff in their movies. Tarantino took stuff that was considered largely disreputable and made it seem cool. Yeah. And made it seem important and artistic. It's the marriage of the high and the low.

So it's exploitation stuff, but then it's also like Antonioni. It's Kurosawa, but it's also really like Rando Yakuza movies. Yeah, like Wu-Tang and martial arts movies. and like grimy crime movies and black exploitation movies and all these kinds of movies that you have to work hard to find. It's not like rentings in the sound of music at Blockbuster.

That was an aesthetic of the 90s too is this idea that you're taking bits and pieces of influences that might be considered like trashy or whatever and you take basically a Beatles melody and play it as if like you're just three guys in a garage

or four guys in a garage like you're guided by voices or something and it was like you can do anything. It was a real time of like creative of exploration, I think, at that time period. Nirvana was like that. You also had no internet, and I think music and movies and TV had an outsized sense of importance, you know, and...

The hunt was more fun, too. Trying to find something? Well, that's why this was like, this was a hunt. There weren't a lot of people who saw this movie for like a year, and people can say what they want now and pretend they saw it in the theater, but... I wasn't there. I just don't put... No, I'm just saying like...

Can't claim it. I really think the pulp fiction thing, by that time, the VHS stuff, had caught up with this movie. And I think there was this year stretch where a lot of people were like, hey. So we're talking about the fact. You've seen reservoir dogs? Totally. The people who maybe did see it were fucking scandalized by this movie. I mean, this was not like immediately.

This wasn't a date movie. Yeah, it was really provocative and on purpose. Because he was just like, I don't, why not make a movie about bastards? Why not make a movie about absolutely terrible guys? It doesn't mean it's not an interesting movie. You don't want to see what happens. And as like a teenage boy at this time, I was like, well, this is just the cool, like the craziest coolest thing I've ever seen.

And I know I'm in on this illicit thing. I shouldn't be watching this. This shouldn't be on screen. There shouldn't be this much blood. They shouldn't be saying these words. They shouldn't be saying these jokes. And, you know. You know what else this era had that I just don't think exists now is you saw a movie like this

and then there was nowhere to go after. It was like either you saw it with the people. you saw it with or maybe one of your buddies saw it. But you really had nobody to talk about it with. There was no message board to go. There was no like Google search to read like the five reviews, rotten tomatoes. You could go to your video store. That was one of the only places you could go.

But really it turned in one of those things where like I'm at a party with Chris Ryan and we're talking. Oh, you like movies too? What have you been seen lately? I fucking saw a reservoir dog. Oh, you liked reservoir dogs? And that would be like a 10 minute connection. You know what I did after I saw this movie probably is I went to a diner. Because it was like Tarantino movies maybe be like, oh, diners are the place where I want to hang out all the time.

Yeah. I grew up on Long Island, so diners were the place where I hung out all the time. But you're right. And it was like a personality test. And if somebody liked it, you were like, oh, we're friends. Yeah. You make sense to me. A thousand percent.

So talking about the impact of this movie in 1992, I just wrote down a list of things I just hadn't seen before. It was made in that specific 1990s indie way. It was a Sundance darling, which is a relatively new thing. It's like, what the fuck Sundance? Robert Redford, some dushy festival. I don't even know where it is. And they show movies, like, whatever. And then this movie came out, I was like, I fucking love Sundance.

Bad guys arguing about pop culture. Bad guys arguing about anything that wasn't just like, where do we stash the body? I don't really remember seeing. Who was the Mole question? Yeah, who's the rap? Which is the first hour of the movie is just really smartly done. We've seen that in a million movies, but it's a piece that every single. time I watch this movie, I forget how smart that was.

Out of order sequencing. I have a special category in here later where you get to nerd out about influences of this movie from the 40s, 50, 60s that I didn't tell you about. Fantastic. Out of order sequencing, I just didn't have a lot of experience with. Oh, we're going backwards. Wait, he's running from the cops. I don't understand. Oh, we went backwards.

That disorienting feeling was really fun. It was confusing, but it was really fun. Not showing the heist was just an incredible move. Yeah. And I kind of still can't believe that they didn't show the heise. He probably couldn't afford it. Well, he does. He says that. Yeah.

The ear cutting scene became the hook. And I think it was the number one reason I went to see the movie because somebody told me, you'd have to see fucking crazy ear cutting scene. Like what? They cut the guys here off. Yeah, you can't even look. You got to look away. What?

And then you kind of wanted to go. Culp movie in the purest early 90s form. Weird soundtrack. And then Tarantanena with the backstory that they used to sell it. All of these were like very unique distinct 1992 things. now. Yeah, and I also think that, you know, he spent a lot of time in the backwaters, like, working in video stores and probably writing no books and, like, and floundering away.

Maybe there's a world in which he never gets discovered, but it started to move very quickly for him after this. You know what I mean? Natural born killers, true romance, and this, and then Pulp Fiction shortly after. It's like, it's quite a deluge from him. And he started. Did you ever work in a video store? Yeah, I worked at TLA in Philadelphia.

Did you have like Chris recommends? Did you have that index card on it? I wasn't senior enough to have that. Would you have done that? They actually published every year. It was essentially like the TLA encyclopedia of movies and it was all the movies that they had in stock. It organized in all these different ways.

So it was essentially like going to film school. You know, when I moved out here in 2002, video stores still mattered. And they were like great. The things that I remember were like the Tower Records was awesome on sunset. Yeah. There were a couple awesome video stores. and it had like everything I expected, you know, with like,

Johnny recommends this and it would have the shelf of Johnny's five favorite movies that he wanted me to look at. It really was fun. I'm sad that that doesn't exist anymore. Now we just have rotten tomatoes. I got to work at Kim's in New York City too, which is also a great video. So I worked at the music department, but there was like an amazing, very unique video department upstairs on the third floor of that place.

So the backstory, Quinn Tarantino, do you remember what a video story worked at? Video archives. Manhattan Beach. I don't know where this is. I wonder if Rosillo would have any insight. She sent Rosillo there. Maybe Riscilla checks it out. He originally planned to shoot it with friends on a budget of $30,000 in 16 millimeter black and white.

And Lawrence Bender, who produced it, was going to be the police officer chasing Mr. Pink. Bender gives the script to his acting teacher, whose wife gave the script to Harvey Kitell. How does this is all fucking crazy. Luck. Kitell loves it. Signs on as a co-producer. They get additional funding. also pays for casting sessions where they find Bouchemmy Madsen.

They went to New York to get the New York guys. In New York. Yeah. And we're off. $1.2 million budget makes $2.8. 6.5 million pounds in the UK. How much is that, Chris, Ryan? It's about $12 million, I think.

Oh, wow. So it was a huge hit in the UK because of Tim Roth. Right. 91 on Rotten Tomatoes. Seems low. Who cares? You're going to care about this. Okay.

Say, Raj. It's a tough day for Raj. Oh, no. Roger Ebert felt the script could have been better. Said the film, quote, feels like it's going to be terrific. But Tarantino's script does not have much curiosity about the characters, gave it two and a half stars out of four,

said he enjoyed it, said it was a very good film from a talented director, quote, I like what I saw, but I wanted more. God damn it, Roger Ebert. How do you miss on this? It's not what you want. How do you miss on Tarantino's first movie?

He and Sisko famously had a big turnaround on Tarantino, where they were a little bit critical. That's par for the course for Raj. Okay, that's offensive. Kai Tell. One of your weirdest bits. I'm glad you stick to it, though. He's batting 400 on iconic movies.

Oh, cool. So he's Ted Williams. I kind of wanted him to be around 800. Okay. Okay. I think he definitely voted for Westbrook for the 2007. If he was still alive. The Basketball Raiders Association? Please respect Roger Ebert.

Kytel. Here's his 91 to 94, Chris Ryan. I'm just giving you the highlights. Oh, my God. Thelman and Louise. No. Bugsie? Reserve dogs.

Bill. Naked and Bad Lieutenant. The piano and Pulp Fiction. Boom. Just making sure you were going to do a Bad Lieutenant Bittman. Same things. Those six movies in four years. I got to say, I do really relate to his character in Bad Lieutenant,

not because he is an insane drug adult, broken police officer, but because he's obsessed with driving around New York listening to Mets games the whole time. And being naked. Bad Lieutenant is amazing if you haven't seen that movie. By the way, other six movies, he's naked in two of them. Oh, he... Yeah.

Kytel's probably naked right now. Listen to this pod. He'll break it out. He's like, oh! I know, I'm sure we'll talk about this, but Kytel is amazing in rest of our dogs. He's amazing. So good in this movie.

I'd forgotten how good he is. Buschemy was kind of, you know, he was that guy. who was in Miller's Crossing and Bart and Fink and Billy Bathgate. But this is the movie he blossoms. Chris Penn had a nice little three movie run here. Reservoir Dog's shortcuts and True Romance.

Yeah, good flick. He's got a small part in Shortcuts. Is he Cody in True Romance? It's a small put in shortcuts where he ends up hitting, killing some girl that liked him with a rock. I mean, it's definitely a distinctive part. It is. I like that movie.

He's one of the cops in True Romance. Seismore's. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's remember that we will, we did the true romance pod, we said we wanted them to be spun off as a cop movie. Yeah. I want to do a lot of nice guy Eddie imitations on this podcast. It's just something I got.

I'm going to put out there right now. Clear out for Sean. Madsen was the John Holmes character in the doors. They didn't call him John Holmes. Thelman Luis was the boyfriend. Yeah. Not the abusive boyfriend. The good-hearted boyfriend.

And then Reservoir Dogs. Great run for him, all culminating in species, where he gives one of the great performances. of all time. Two years later. Him and Marge Hulgenberger, you really could cut the sexual attention with a fucking knife. Steak knife. Tim Roth. Huge star in Britain, apparently. The Brit Pack?

You know about the Brit Pack? Can you know about the Brit Pack? Yeah. Can't you name the Brit Pack, Sean. I can't say that I can. I got five names. Roth Oldman is D.D.L. on there? D.D.L is apparently in there. I don't think he probably likes it. Well, he was in my beautiful laundrette, so I, right? Yeah. I think he's like in. Tom Hulse? Was he in the man?

mix? No. They didn't let him in. The other two are Bruce Payne and Paul McGahn. Can't see I'm familiar with their work. Yeah. Okay. Okay. They kind of faded away. I'm going to give you the five colors. You tell me who the characters were. Just want to see if you get this. Okay. Mr. White. Can I tell? Mr. Pink? Bishemi. Mr. Orange? That's, no, Tarantino is Mr. Brown. It's Tim Roth. There you go. Mr. Bond. Mattson. Mr. Blue?

Is that Eddie Bunker? Mr. Brown is Tarantino. Could you've gotten all those, correct? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Any other things before we go to the categories? I don't think you can underestimate the rock starification of Tarantino and the fact that there's really never been anything like this since.

There's never been somebody who emerged as a public figure as a director like he did. Do you think it helped that he was in? the movies. Definitely. Because of what Chris was saying at the top of the show. Yeah. He put himself front and center in the first movie. And not only that, he, when you read the press from this movie, it's

unreal. We, like, Sean interviews filmmakers every week. It's like, we talk to people who are supposed to be talking to us all the time. On the big picture available on Ring or podcast. Entertainmenters, athletes, whoever. Nobody gives a fucking quote like this guy. And it's like, I was reading an Empire

Magazine profile of him after this movie comes out, he's like three Guinnesses deep in a London pub. Yeah. He has to run off to a stationary store to get paper because he's working on an anthology called Pulp Fiction, and he's just like, he's just like holding court. This is a guy that gives incredible quote. It went a long way towards propelling him out of just being like Soderberg or like a cool, interesting indie filmmaker to a pop cultural icon, like very quickly.

This guy hosted Saturday Night Live. Yeah. And would be the first guest on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno on the couch. That is, Stephen Spielberg doesn't do that. In the history of movies, there has probably never been somebody who sought and achieved this level of notoriety. Maybe Spike is like, because of the Jordan ads. He is a rare comp. That's kind of amazing.

And it's almost impossible to imagine somebody being able to do that now. Now, there are a lot of famous directors now. There are a lot of forward-facing people. Like, Ava DuVernay is very vocal. She's very present. She's got a ton of Twitter follow. followers. There's a huge universe around David DuVernate.

It's not like Tarantino. It's just not. Craig, get ready for this one. Do you know I worked with Tarantino? Look off. What? In what capacity? Yeah.

Wait, you're still holding out on us? What is what's going on? The first year I worked at Kimo. Tarantino was a guest. We used to do this thing called audience theater where we would write a script and then the audience would play the characters and we would pull the audience out and they would we would basically grab them for the show and then we'd prep them

and they would actually act out the scenes. So he picked my bit. I wrote a script that was a Tarantino parody. I can't even remember what the script was at this point. He gave me notes in the script. He really liked it. He was fired up. It ended with like a three-way shootout

and just blood. Did it air? And he directed it. He was the director. He came in. Yeah, it aired. Do you have it? I should get Jimmy to put that back up.

It's actually really weird that you've never told us this story. I've been fucking working for you since 2011. How have we not seen this? I wrote like a six-minute script that he gave notes on and then was really fired up about. You don't remember the name of it? No, I don't remember it. Honestly, it was 16 years ago. We had a whole handshake and hug after he was all happy.

Me and Tarantino. So you're in the pocket of Big Tarantino then. Yeah, you know, we've talked about, do we want to work together? I don't know. He's done the right material. Yeah. Whole thing. So we'll see.

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diner scene. Opening scene of the movie. Incredibly important. Unbelievable theory about Madonna's like a virgin. Toby? Did it change your attitude towards tipping? I don't tip because society says I have to. All right. I mean, I'll tip if somebody really deserves a tip. If they really put forth the effort, I'll give them something extra. But I mean, it's tipping automatically. It's for the birds. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job. Hey, this girl was nice.

She was okay. She wasn't... Leads to the tipping thing. A lot of guys coming out of that movie thinking they had a new vision of the service industry. I had worked as a busboy slash waiter for at least two summers before that and was very pro-tipping. So I was offended at Busham's

character. Anybody who's ever worked in food service knows that you've got a fucking tip. I'm just saying there was a lot of people who were like this bit. I'm going to like take it. Oh, yeah. How do you feel about how woke Mr. White is? Mr. White. Drive and dropping knowledge about these women work very hard.

Yeah. He has like the fucking consumer reports stats. He's like, this is the number one job for non-college educated women. Mr. White scaled wokeback mountain. Did you know that this scene contains subtle foreshadowing about the identity of the rat? No. When Joe demands to know which crook didn't contribute to the tip, Mr. Orange snitches on Mr. Pink.

Oh. You know what my favorite, one of my low-key favorite details of this scene is that a couple of them are drinking beers. Oh, at a diner? That they have like a bunch of Budweiser bottles, even though they're all eating breakfast. But I will say when I go out to breakfast on a weekend,

Budweiser or Pabst and a cup of coffee is my go-to. That is like a great way to spend your lazy morning. But it's also a cool thing that happens throughout Tarantino movies or at least a few of them, which is that it's something that will be happening in the morning, but people will be behaving like it's the night. So like when the wolf is at the party and it's like dawn, it's like six in the morning. Right. And it's like the same thing here. It's like, are they at breakfast, but they're all drinking, but like...

He doesn't like time. Yeah. Let me... This just occurred to me. I'm sure people have thought of this before, but this is right for the heist, right? When they're in breakfast? Uh-huh. I think so.

Because they're all dressed up. Yeah. They're in uniform. Shouldn't they not be all seen together in public? I had this in nitpicks. Okay, I don't, I don't mean to get ahead of it, but it just occurred to me as we're talking about this scene. It's completely...

It's pre-surveillance state, though. It's a terrible. It's a terrible idea. There's a waitress who they tried to fuck on the tip who would remember five guys in black suits. But she would have to see, like, the local news about that robbery. It's like, it wouldn't necessarily be like she gets like a Twitter. She's looking at Twitter and she's like, those fucking guys.

It would be like, if she doesn't watch the news. I think Sean's point is valid, though, because if they're so concerned about secrecy that they all have pseudonyms, but yet they're like, hey, so we'll meet at that diner at 9, then we'll commit the robbery at 10.15 good? Yeah. Also, you would definitely remember those guys because they were smoking like chimneys and drinking Budwisers at 9 in the morning. They're all characters. And Joe should never be seen with this group of people. Okay. Good obsec. Next, next rewatchable. Oh, I had a nerd question for you. Okay. Had a movie been shot

specifically like that with a group setting like that with the way they use the camera? going around the way that it does. Was he stealing from somebody? I think that there's probably examples of that, but Terry Gilliam, when he saw this movie at Sundance, was like, I love how, I mean, it's like a Scorsese-ish kind of thing to do, but the fact that for the first few seconds of the movie,

especially, it's a lot of their backs. And so it'll go. And sides of heads. You can see through two people's heads. Exactly. I feel like he's definitely going for something that he either was copying from somebody or felt like he had never totally seen.

A lot of the movie is very, over the shoulder, especially like the Madsen walk when he's going to get the gas tank, you know, you're following him in and out. And it's very handheld. It is very Scorsese. I can't think of anything that is exactly like that scene. It feels like a flex. Yeah, for sure. I was watching, there's this movie called Goodfellas

that came out in 1990. Never heard of it. I've certainly never rewatched it. I might have seen a couple of times. When will that be a rewatchable's coward? The scene when he goes back entrance with Lorraine Braco. Yeah. The famous scene. The Copacabana.

The famous scene. that now you're kind of numb too because we've all seen that movie 100 times. But I was just thinking about, like, what a fucking flex that way. The greatest tracking shot in movie history. Yeah, he's just like, guess what? I'm whipping it out for the scene. Also, what I'm like, here's my favorite music music is,

should we just do Goodfellas rewatchables in the middle of Resort Dogs? The reason we haven't done Goodfellas is it's, it has a chance to go for like four hours, and I think we need a live audience. We definitely need this season to change so that we aren't in here for the entire time. That will be a winter podcast. I just, I think that the reason he shoots it that way is just to be naturalistic. Yeah.

You need to be as close as possible to the characters to feel like you're inside the conversation. You say about the foreshadowing, too, it's just great, great characterization. You just immediately are like, there's a little beef between blonde and white, you know, like, shoot me in a dream. You better wake up and apologize, like, that kind of stuff. And you just kind of see, like, pink is jumpy and like a little bit edgy and Bouchemies of fucking wise eyes. Or just lying in the cut, kind of watching everybody. Obviously, nice guy Eddie thinks that, you know, you can tell who's running what and who's who. Big fan of pop music critic Eddie Bunker in the movie, too, being like, I like early stuff.

Yeah. True Blue. It's a great scene. That's a big fucking it. It's one of my favorite opening scenes. Me too. It's way up there. That would be a fun ringer week.

Best opening scene ever? Just opening scene week. Bracket. It's like half of Taratino's movies. We did just talk about that with The Glorious Bastards, too. That whole opening where you meet Christoph Waltz's character in France is also way up there. He really cares about the first paragraph. I also think the Oleging.

Leagues and kickers, man. Those are the most important things. When I used to write Once upon a time I used to care about the lead in the end. Another most rewatchable Kytel versus Bouchemi

with the bleeding Tim Roth We ain't taking them to the hospital. That whole showdown It's escalating. It's just gets tense. It's a very long scene but it's just well acted

and it feels like it's all being done at once even though I'm sure it wasn't. You're acting like a first year thief. I'm acting like a fucking professional. Bouchemmy in the conversation for the best Bushami performance because it kind of... I agree.

Ideal vision of the kind of actor we think of him as. He's intense and weird and neurotic, but also imposing in a weird way. But he doesn't know how to punch people, but he might shoot you in the face. You know, there's something... He's really, really great in this movie. And that was, I think,

the first visual reference that I actually got, which was the two guys pointing the guns at each other. It was very, like, John Wu, Hong Kong action movie. So that was like, even back then, I don't know if I'd seen hard-boiled or whatever, any of those movies yet. But that quickly became the first thing where I was like, ah, I see, you know. This is my favorite Bouchemi. Second favorite is Sopranos and third favorite is domestic disturbance with Vince Farnes, Charles Trinvota. He's fucking awesome in that.

He carries multiple scenes. Not Fargo. No. Fargo, fourth. Not Millers Cross. So good. He's really good in a not great movie called Things to Do in Denver when you're dead. He's great in that. Love him.

Yeah. That's actually quite a rewatchable. It's a fun movie. It's kind of an unratch movie rewatchable. It's like kind of bad and would not exist without Tarantino. That's boat drinks, right? Yes. Well, that was the era of the Tarantino Ripoff era.

Yes. Where there's like three years of friends. Oh, my God. There's like very good. The Pete Berg Bachelor Party movie? What was that one? Oh, very bad things. Yeah.

It's like three years of those. Another rewatchable scene, the ear cutting scene, followed by the unexpected Tim Roth murder. Where he just guns them down, which I always forget, Every time I watch this movie, I forget that Mr. Orange is eventually going to save the day. So does that just start for you immediately when White leaves? It ends when they leaves, and Madsen gets that gleam in his eye and then goes full Madsen, the likes of which...

Terrifying. I forgot that the guy is like, I have kids. And he's like, you through? Are you through? I was like, oh, my God. Cuts the ear off, and then he's kind of holding it up and looking at it. Was it good for you? Yeah. He just talks to it.

It's just the best. It's so good. I don't get grossed out by that scene, especially because they cut away at the perfect moment. Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know whether it was like a prosthetics thing or if he was like, you know, it's like a choice where it's like

the imagining what it looks like is worse than seeing it. But yeah, they pan and they just show the watcher head graffiti above the doorway for about 10 seconds. He doesn't, Tarantino, for somebody who's so incredibly violent, definitely doesn't show things in movies. Like, we never really see Marvin's head get blown off from Pulp Fiction. It's quick, but it's not like, you know. And then when we see him in the trunk, it's like the most obvious-looking dummy, I think.

We do see Hitler's entire body being destroyed by automatic machine guns. Maybe he was saving it for Hitler. Jamie Fox kills like 40 people at the end of Django. Yeah, yeah. It depends. Saving it for later. I think he knows when to show and not to show. I mean, the thing that is so...

It's also hard to overstate. He doesn't show the suitcase. Yeah. No, but he like... He likes the whole concept of, I'm going to leave it to your imagination. Totally. He does.

I think the thing that is just notable about that is the same thing with the characterization point you made about the first scene. What Mr. Blon says right before he cuts the ear off, he says, listen, kid, I'm not going to bullshit you all right. I don't give a good fuck what you know or don't know, but I'm going to torture you anyway regardless. Not to get information. It's amusing to me to torture a cop.

You can say anything you want, because I've heard it all before. All you can do is pray for a quick death, which you ain't going to get. I don't think this movie gets a lot of, Fraternal order of police screenings. No. No.

This is... Shoot any regular people? Real people. No, just cops. Fantasy's family is very split on this movie. You know, I don't really know what my dad thinks of this movie. I bet he finds it very entertaining, though. I don't think he's excited about the way they treat cops in the movie.

The murder is a great twist. Yeah. Didn't see it come in the first time. Didn't know. Me neither. Next one is Tim Roth performing his background story. Really the second half of it when he's starting to get it down. The commode story.

And then he's actually performing it. And it's just really well done. The whole thing from the. when he goes and meets his boss at the diner and all the different settings and the fact that this is one of my favorite scenes in all of movies. The senses, blood in my veins, everything I have is screaming.

Take off, man. Just bail. Just get the fuck out of there. Panic hits me like a bucket of water. First is a shock of it. Bam, right in the face. I'm just standing there, drenched in panic. And all these sheriffs are looking at me and they know, man, they can smell it.

I love this scene. I've heard Chris talk about this scene, maybe more than any other movie scene. Well, first of all, I had never seen anything like it at the time. When you get up to it, mostly the color palette of the movie is either like sunbaked, like valley looking outside L.A. stuff or inside the warehouse. You get there and they go to the graffiti in the background. And the movie comes alive. Yeah.

And they've been so stressed out or cool for most of it. Roth's energy when he does this monologue is completely different. It's like whole thing where he's like learning to be this guy that we've been watching for 30 minutes. And it just goes into all these different themes that Tarantino returns to over and over and over again. Like the story winner's story, layers of character because you get to see Freddy instead of Mr. Orange. And the idea that he, Tarantino was an actor first. He wanted to be an actor. And a lot of the like, you're telling me I got to memorize all this shit.

Like all of like the process stuff of like becoming this character really feels authentic in a way that almost maybe none of the other movie does in some ways where he's like the way he's doing his speech in the apartment. with the Silver Surfer poster. I mean, that's Tarantino. And he goes up and he's like, this was about the time. This was about the... And he goes up to the script. And he's like,

he remembers the line. And then he goes. And I just love how they jump between settings when they tell the story. It was unlike anything I'd seen at the time. Plus he gets to act. Because half the movie he spends like this. Oh!

Flaring! So he gets the flexes chaps. Some of the most anguished yelling in a movie ever. and for long stretches, Tim Raugh. Just screaming at the top of his lungs in a weird fake American accent. I don't want to be smirk to Tim Raugh too much.

I think his accent's very bad in this movie. Yes. And weirdly, his dialect coach was on set the entire movie, which is I don't really know what they were doing. I think, like, sometimes I was like, is he supposed to be Dutch? But I don't know what the deal is with that. But yeah, like...

It's a rare, bad accent, great performance. And you don't really... I don't think I... I think one thing that maybe some people get taken out of the movie because of, but when they're in the bathroom and the German Shepherd is there. And then Tim Roth is doing the monologue in the bathroom where the monologue is supposed to be taking place. And he's like talking to the cops, even though they're just being still.

I was just like, I didn't know you could do that with writing. That is a flex. Yeah. Bouchemmy arguing about the name selections. It's a shorter scene, but it's, I would say, one of the iconic moments of the movie. Who cares where your name is? Yeah, that's easy for you to see. You're Mr. White.

You have a cool sounding name. All right, look, if it's no big deal to be Mr. Pink, you want to trade? Hey, nobody's trading with anybody. This ain't a goddamn fucking city council meeting, you know. You get four guys all fighting over who's going to be Mr. Black. No way I pick. No trades. Is this where you do your joke habit bit?

No, I'm going to do that way. We're going to wait. And then Chris Penn doubting Mr. Orange's story. Yeah. And slowly going. Mad dog. This very good friend of mine? Can I throw another one in there?

Sure. Vic Vega first coming back to, from prison and talking about Skagnetti. He's a fucker. Seymour's Skagged Nettie, that stuff, and just him and Chris Penn and Tierney. Them wrestling and almost doing a pile of your ever.

You guys want to roll around on the floor doing Nettie's office. So what do you have for most rewatchable? Commode story. Okay. Hmm. Does it make me an insane nihilist if I say that you're cutting scene? No. What I like is everything that happens with Mr. Blonde and Mr. White in the lead up to

Nice Guy Eddie arriving and then they leave. So I like that whole showdown that they have, which leads to us really learning. Because we've been told that Mr. Blonde is crazy. And it's an incredible setup. They never show him shooting everybody. So we really learn what a psychopathy is when he does this. So that whole sequence together, which is like 20. 25 minutes of the movie is by far my favorite part of the movie.

I was opening Diner for about 20 years, and now I'm the ending. And the whole Chris Penn figuring it out in just that whole seven minutes. It's fucking, it's amazing. I love that part too. And I like three-way shootouts in general. It was a huge influence on your work with Tarantino. Yeah. It influenced some of the work I did later.

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Nerd Corner. Oh, boy. Just Sean's reactions for this. Reserve Dogs, according to Tarantino, influenced by Stanley Kubrick's The Killing. He said, I didn't go out of my way to do a rip-off of the killing, but I did think of it as my killing, my take on that kind of heist movie.

Sean, you get 30 seconds to discuss the killing. One of the all-time great Sterling Hayden performances, one of the very best final shots in movie history. Probably the top three final shot in movie history. Go rent The Killing if you haven't seen it. It's definitely the movie that allowed Kubrick to take the leap from very crafty photographer trying to make his way doing B pictures to becoming the most significant film artist of his time. And you can see where Quinn has taken stuff all throughout the movie. solid no preparation either chris uh he also apparently joseph luis's film the big combo and sergey corbucci's 1966 spaghetti western jango inspired the scene when a police officer's

torture and chair any thoughts on those movies i'll give you 15 seconds big combo's fine i've only seen it once i don't have any takes on it jango is a better rewatch now because he made jango and jango unchained and there's a lot more from jango and jango unchained and that whole vision of the modernized western. So do you think he bought the rights to Django and then... He didn't buy the rights, but he has like a relationship with Franco Niro who played Django. Also, just as a tease for once upon a time in Hollywood, there's some very fun Django-esque flourishes in that movie too. So if you're interested in what he does, check that out. Can I just throw out a person that people should check out if they like reservoir dogs?

Sure. Is the movies of Jean-Pierre Melville. So he made a bunch of tough guy, French movies, but my favorite's The Circle of Rouge. Army of Shadows. So if you love Reservoir Dogs and you want to watch movies like this, you can do a lot of hours. Are we going to talk about... I'm not done with there. Okay, okay, okay.

This is the most excited I've ever been. The main character is being named after the Coors. First scene in Taking a Pelham, 1, 2, 3. Any thoughts on that? Give you 8 seconds. It's just a great homage, great Walter Mathout in taking Pelham, 1, 2, 3. Cool movie. The remake is really good, too, with Denzel.

It's not bad, man. Tony Scott. touches from Ringo Lambs' 1987 film City on Fire? 10 seconds. This might make you mad to watch this movie because City on Fire is Reservoir Dogs.

Huge parts of this movie is just Reservoir Dogs. So if you watch it, you might be like, is Quinn Tarantino actually good? Or did he just steal City on Fire? And that's the one complicated thing about Tarantino. And he got a lot of criticism.

Yeah. He was saying he was doing homages and other people were saying you just ripped off all of these. seven movies. What do you stand, Chris? I think he's a metatechual artist. I'm a postmodern artist.

I don't think that... I agree. I don't think he's particularly interested in human beings. I think he's interested in weaving together pre-existing stories. City on fire is a cool movie Reservoir Dogs is a masterpiece.

That's the other thing. Yeah. The three-way shootout? Where do you get that from? Some Japanese movie, right? I don't, I'm not sure. I don't know. Okay.

That's it for Nerd Corner. A lot of John Wu movies have a lot of guys pointing guns at each other. Yeah. The killer, there's a lot of the I brought three guns. I'm going to put them on the table. One bullet.

One bullet. What's age the best? So I'm just talking about, as the years past, what's age the best? Okay. The opening credit sequence is really fun to watch after Swingers blatantly ripped it off while also acknowledging, like, oh, everybody's trying to rip off Tarantino now. And then the next scene, they're leaving the diner, and they're just ripping off Tarantino, which was the joke. Yeah. I always enjoy the connection of those two films.

And Swingers was four years later. And it's like very similar story. Those guys, they're leaving the diner and it's, it's just, it's just makes me laugh. Guys like the characters are in swingers are exactly the kind of people whose lives were never the same after reservoir dogs. Totally. It's like they were the kind of guys who were putting on productions of reservoir dogs and like community theaters and Glendale after that. And that shot is still really influential. There's a sequence in the movie The Farewell, which is this immigrant story that just came out this year.

That there is a slow motion group walking together scene in that. movie, which you'd think it would have nothing to do with reservoir dogs, but it's meaningful. Should we film one of us walking in the sunset gower lot? Sure. The original five? You and Jalen did it once. We did. Walking away from an exploding car.

Yeah, we did. That was weird. Another thing that's aged the best. We talked about Young Bouchemmy. I really liked Young Madsen. Young Madsen was a top five lottery pick, and then 20 years later, you're like, whatever happened at Tom Gugliata?

Remember that? Those two years? He was like 22 and 10? No, Madsen has like, this might be sacrilegious, but he's got a little bit of Newman stuff, like, for a minute there. For like a minute in the early 90s when he had his shut together, it seems like maybe this guy is going to be like this iconic, masculine character actor.

Either he's alive or he's dead, or the cops got him, or they don't. So cool, so calm. He has a little bit of Dean Martin, too. You know, tall, black hair. very calm, chill delivery. I think he's had a complicated life. I think he has, too. I had one of my friends from college,

Kara McDermott, who married my roommate Horg's. Horgues? Horg's? John Horgon. Quargs. It's great. I didn't know if it was like a Swedish guy from Midsummer or something.

She loved Michael Madsen. Uh-huh. And to the point where it was like... Big Stichies fan? Bad Michael Madsen movies. Oh, she's opening weekends. But just love Michael Madsen. That was the, you know, we're just looking at him as like great action guy, but not, I never

really saw the sex appeal side of him, but apparently he was there with the ladies for a while. I believe it. Yeah. So I think he's like, I don't know what top five lottery pick we'd compare him to, but definitely. Like a Kenny Anderson? Did he get, who did he get market corrected by? Who came in and took that? I think he might have market corrected it himself.

Yeah. Luke Wilson. But like, it's telling that he is not in Pulp Fiction. Yeah. Two years later, Tarantino's like, I'm good. I wonder whether or not he was like, I'm doing like a really big blockbuster.

No, no, it was, I mean, that may be true, but I think the plan long term was to do the Vega brothers. Yeah. Was to get the Travolta character from Pulp Fiction and Vic Vega together to make a movie. And whatever happened. So Tarantina did want to work with them again then. I think so. Kill Bill.

He's in Kill Bill. And he's in The Hateful Eighth. I don't know why he wasn't in Pulp Fiction. It might be to let Travolta have the Vega brother on his own. He's not in Jackie Brown. That's the movie you think he might come back in. He's in the getaway. He's in Whiteer Species, which I checked.

Still not, no Oscars at all. Not even nominations. They didn't go back and give us a few. One of the great cable movies about time for the whole entire production. Yeah, they got to do honorary for Hensstridge. Yeah. She came through. Maybe that's what she gets.

Like how, what's her face? The Irving G. Yeah, the Irving G. Thalberg Award for Natasha Hensrich. Then Madsen goes down this road of man with a gun, Donnie Brasco. Like, he just kind of is inaction movies. And then that became his story.

And then there's, he becomes the Skinnamax Lord for a while. Have you guys heard his speaking voice recently? No, it's up with it. So he used to have, you know, this olive oil voice as, as Jack Waltz would say. And now he's, it sounds like he's been gargling with concrete. He's got the raspiest, darkest, most difficult to understand voice. And the hateful aid, it's really hard to understand what he's saying. And I don't know what happened to him there. Maybe he had some, some sort of vocal chord issue, but that's probably part of it. Any other age the best for you? Because I kind of crib

from this category, for another or later category, stuff I'd normally would put in what stage of the I would just say that not just the soundtrack, but the juxtaposition of the music with what it's scoring, which was not something that I was particularly familiar with at the time, but has essentially been copied so many times that we've now lost our ability to detect it, but when you basically are showing, you know, whether it's a act of violence or something, and then the music is offsetting that violence or, you know, amplifying it by its irony, you know? I have, the idea of this guy listening, the easy listening soft rock while he cuts somebody's off was fucking mind-blowing. I also have, I like who's the mole and who's the leak.

are two of my favorite movie things. I was just watching what's the Russell Crow thing called The Loudest Voice? Yeah. And somebody leaks Bill O'Reilly's contract demand in the second or third episode

and then they have Ails has to find out who the leak is. I always enjoy that. Yeah, it's a really good device. That's the turns you know, he knows all the devices. The other thing is not just that part of the soundtrack,

but the Stephen Wright as the radio host. Yeah, that's a good one. Putting that on the soundtrack and using that as the way to kind of, you know, set the scene for what this is. Also, I thought it was a pretty good L.A.

movie. Yeah. You know, kind of looking around, and I guess I learned that warehouses is in Eagle Rock, which I didn't know, which is where they shot it. And he was living in Glendale. I mean, I don't know. You would know better. I don't know when traffic became even harder here, but there's a feeling of like

when you read him talking about L.A. at that time, like, you could get across L.A. a little bit easier, so he would, like, go to Malibu and then drive down sunset back to his mom's house. And I don't know, it just seems like a kind of different city back then. His first three movies are basically L.A. movies told in different parts of LA.

Yes. And I think one of the fun things in true romance is they end up at that hotel that seems so fun in the movie, but it's like right down the street on sunset. It's not as fun as it seems to the movie. But they all have a lot of scenes of people in cars driving around. What stage the best? I'm going to go with the opening credit sequence for me. Okay.

What stage is the worst? The N-word stuff was even a little bit controversial in the 90s that I think has gotten worse. and seems this movie and Pulp Fiction, he really goes for it. Jackie Brown, too. Yeah, in ways that... Jackie Brown's where he got, like, especially called out for it, I think, right? By Spike.

Yeah. Yeah. And then Sam Jackson came to his defense. It's weird that there's not that none of these six guys is a black guy or a Latino or anything that it's six white guys. I think that would probably play out differently now. I don't know. It's not too woke, but... Honestly, I think it's a movie about bad people and it's purposefully about bad people.

Yeah. And these guys are racist. and that's it. Like, it's not... I think it would be hard to make a movie. I think it'd be hard for a white director

to make a movie with all this in it. It probably wouldn't happen. But whether it's like age the best of the worst, were there guys in the early 90s who were criminals who were racist? Definitely.

There's no character in here who is standing outside of this. Even the cop is implicated. You remember like at the moment when Tim Roth kills the woman in the car, he's like... That's before he sees Harvey Kytel

gun down all those cops and then he kills the woman in the car who shoots him in the stomach. And he's like, I've crossed over. Like this is not how this was supposed to go. They were supposed to come in and stop us. He said at the time of the release, Tarantino,

I wanted to go the opposite way of how Hollywood normally works. I wanted you to hear them say very ugly things. I also wanted you to hear them say profound things. I wanted them to come across like fucking idiots, one moment, and brilliant geniuses the next. These are a bunch of guys who probably at the time in San Quentin in the 80s and 90s. They are fucking idiots. I understand why it doesn't, it's not palatable now.

But I don't think it's unremarked to. on or it's not self-conscious at all. Bishemi's theory on Black women along those lines is a tough two minutes. I think that's what I was going to say too. I think one of the complicated parts of this conversation is that if you read interviews of Quinn or if you look at his movies or the actors that he cast, like he has this obvious adoration, affection, almost obsession with black culture. And the way that some of the characters like talk about black women too, where they love black women.

That's the start of Jackie Brown is just a two and a half minute tracking shot of Pam Greer walking. Yeah, it's just a... They talk about Pam Greer in this movie. They talk about... And Honey West and all these actresses that they are... And E. Lois, the E. Lois story. You know, Chris Penn's character is like,

that's the hottest woman any guys ever seen. So it's all kind of complicated by that stuff. I do think that in general, though, it's what you're saying, which is that these guys are... They're idiot crooks. Yeah.

Another what's age the worst is Lawrence Tierney is Joe. He's bad. He's bad. Apparently was not a pleasant person to work with on the set. He's bad. And it's hard to believe that they...

Harvey Keitel couldn't have called in a favor with any good old actor that he knew at this point. Yeah. This guy's bad. I disagree. I know if Fennyson likes him. I think it's bad. Never mind what you would ordinarily do. He's basically Mike Francesa.

How do you not like this? He's like if Mike Francesa couldn't act. The one thing that is funny is... Like Mike Francesa would have been better. He does forget a line during the naming the guy's sequence, and you can see him kind of muffle the line. And right, it's right before he says, it's my way of the high. way, but you can watch him in a take that's in the movie

miss the line. Right. And that never happens. That's why we have 10 takes or 50 takes for a movie. So it's obvious that it was hard to shoot with him. I just think that his presence and that you know, fat skeletor body and head. He looks like the thing. Yeah. He's just, he brings

a presence. So Bouchemy said in a podcast interview that everyone had a difficult time with him because he was easily distracted and kept forgetting his lines and that Taranteneen and everyone else was so upset with him that he was fired after the third day of filming. So he might have actually been in more of the movie and they just dumped him. Yeah, they purposely keep him out of basically the whole third act until the very last scene.

All right. One more new category just for this. You guys didn't know about this category either. The Ewing Theory Award for Best Theory. So here are the four nominees. Tarantino's theory about Madonna's Like a Virgin. That it was actually about this John Holmes motherfucker who took a real place to him. Didn't think was possible.

Madsen's theory that Lederah Heights is the black palos Verde. I thought it was just like this inside L.A. joke that I thought fucking slayed me. Keitel's torturing theory on which finger to cut off first. Go with the pinky and then threaten the thumb. Get some John Wayne motherfucker. He thinks he's tough. Smasch him across the nose. He says, manager's no better than to fuck around.

So if you get one that's giving you static, he probably thinks he's a real cowboy. So you got to break that son of a bitch in two. If you want to know something he won't tell you, cut off one of his fingers, the little one. Then tell him his thumbs next. After that, I'll tell you if he wears ladies underwear. I'm hungry. Let's get a taco. This movie's unbelievable.

Amazing. I must have said, let's get a taco like a hundred times in my life. And then, Bushemi's theory on not tipping. So what was the best of the four theories? I'm going to go not tipping because Madonna herself has negated the, like, a virgin theory. So while it's an incredible theory, it is actually wrong. So Madonna said... Although I tip.

She liked the film... Just FYI. Good note. She liked the film. She refuted the interpretation. Gave him a copy of her erotic album signed to Quentin. It's not about dick.

It's about love. Madonna. I mean, honestly, there's artist intent and there's interpretation. Just because Madonna wants it to be about something, doesn't mean that's what it actually is? Nobody cares what Tony Scott thinks Top Gun is about. Exactly.

My favorite theory is the Madonna theory, but I think all the nominees were... I love the Kitell cut the finger off. Because when I was watching it yesterday, I was thinking about a man who worked at a jewelry store who only has these three fingers in his life. That seems like a tough break. Yeah. How do you live your life? How do you live your hand life with just those three fingers? Casting what ifs.

Tarantino wanted James Woods made him five different cash offers. Woods his agent refused the offers without ever mentioning it to Woods because they were lower than his... And then Woods fired his agent, right? Tarantino and Woods later met. Tarantino's told him the story. Woods fired the agent. Tarantino avoided telling Woods which role he was offered

because the actor who played the role was magnificent anyway, which there's a lot of online speculation who it was. People think it was Mr. Orange. Really? Interesting. A little old for that.

I think it would be hard to believe James Woods even in 1992 could play like a young undercover cop. I like him as Mr. White though. Yeah. Tarantino originally wrote Mr. Pink for himself. Michael Madsen originally auditioned for Mr. Pink.

Vincent Gallo turned down the role of Mr. Pink. I don't know if I believe that. This is why it's half-ass internet research. Tim Roth almost played Mr. Pink. Tom Seismore was a finalist for Mr. Pink. That could have broken our brains, Chris Ryan. Yeah, that would have been in the Tom Seasmore. Has a very outsized role in the Tarantino universe for the next few years.

And then the character he plays in National Born Killers is the brother of Seymour Skagnet. Jack Skagnetti. That's a fucked-up character. Yes. That's one of the most fucked-up characters in movie history is Seismore's character and Natural Board Killers. Apparently, Tarantino asked him which part and why he wanted it, and he said, for me, the action is the juice.

For me, the action is the juice. Bouchem, he originally auditioned for Mr. White. George Clooney read for the role of Mr. Blonde. I could see it. I could see it. And he later does a Tarantino movie and he does from Dust Till Dawn. Christopher Walken refused the role of Mr. Bond.

That's almost too obvious for walking. There's a lot of like, did they just like send him the script and then he didn't get back to them? I can't do your role. Mr. Walken? Yeah. Give it a run. Robert Forster audition for Joe Cabot. Eventually he played the Jackie Brown guy.

I never thought Robert Foster was that great, but he would have been better than Lois Steerney. What? I didn't really like him and Jackie Brown. That's fucking crazy. Well, we'll talk about that on rewatchable. What is happening? I just didn't like him that much. That's a bad take.

I'm sorry. It's my take. I can take... So you shit on... I can take... You should on Lawrence Tyranny, but then you were like, also Robert Forster would be bad?

He's fine. Wasn't Robert Forster nominee for an Oscar for Jackie Brown? He's fine. Okay. It's a really important part. I just never thought him and Pam Gray would ever have any sort of retraction. It made no sense to me.

He was an old man. Tony Scott read both scripts of true romance Reservoir Dogs. You wanted to direct Reservoir Dogs, Tarantino said, you can have true romance. That's how that went. Can we talk about what Tony Scott's Reservoir Dogs

would have been? I mean, it would have probably You would have had the heist. The heist would have existed. Yep. Probably would have had more cop stuff. Would it have been like a Hans Zimmer score instead of the 70s songs?

It would have been electrified. Yeah, like it would have been complete. Gary Oldman would have been Mr. Blonde, but with like a dreadlocks and gold teeth. That's right. Gary Oldman pretty much plays like Mr. Orange's cousin and the professional. This movie also has a, has a, it comes out before true romance, but it has an echo with the from a did-a-law Joe to a damn defy. Also, Mr. White says he used to work with Alabama. That's right.

The theatrical release contains no female speaking parts. I wanted to mention that in the casting, what if? We do not hear a woman speak in the. this movie other than the one who pulls their gun out and shoots him. Nor on this podcast. Dion Waiters Award. Madsen? Is there anybody else? I mean, it's pretty equally distributed.

I would say that the Tim Roth's boss, the guy with the no shirt vest, yeah. Yeah. He does a lot with a little. He really chews it up. That invisible bitch? Some scum-ridden motherfucker. I think Madsen in the ear cutting scene is

like Vinnie Johnson in game five of the 1990 finals. He's just like, just feed me. I don't care how many hallof-famers are making. You're going to bark all day, little doggy, you're going to bite. He just goes for it. Let's go Madsen. He goes for it in a really, really significant career altering way. Unfortunately, his career was not altered. There's also, there's one guy,

it's barely even like worth mentioning, but I remember when Steve Bouchem, he's running away from the robbery, and he like, bangs into a guy and I always remember like the guy he bangs into is like fuck you asshole and I just like that just seems like an extra or like one of Tarantino's acting

buddies who was like I gotta make the most of this one opportunity and he's like fucker let's take a break we're gonna take a break to talk about raised in captivity that is the new book by Chuck Closterman somebody who has been in a couple

rewatchables podcast actually he is a big part of the extended ringer universe as well as the old Grant Lane universe back in the day. This is a book. It's billed as fictional nonfiction. It's a collection of stories that go in every single direction you can imagine. The AP said it's like a read-only version of the Twilight Zone. You have stories ranging from why coin flips are no longer 50-50 and a government research team investigating that. There's another story about a band who finds that their song has.

suddenly and inexplicably been adopted by white nationalists as a racist anthem. All things that are in the news and relevant, but are also, he pulls the fiction out of them. The AP says it's Chuck Close for being at his best. It is called Raised in Captivity. He's doing a little book tour right now, actually. You should see if he's coming to a city near you, but you can buy this book wherever you buy books. All right, back to the rewatchments. Sean, I have one more Dian Waders.

All right, what is it? The cop who's telling the story while Tim Roth is telling the commode story. The guy who keeps referring to the motorist that he has pulled over, and he is instructing him to put his hands on the dash. And he keeps saying, buddy, if you don't put your hands on the dash, I'm going to blow your brains out. He's so earnest. Great mustache on that guy.

He looks like he's from Wisconsin. He doesn't seem like he's from California. We can give him the best that guy award. The Joey Pants Award. I have no idea what his name is. I had Baltz targeted for that because I've never seen Baltz since. Baltz is just like Baltz. Yeah.

He's Baltz was the cop for people listening. Marvin. Marvin Nash. It's fucking hot. Come by the air. The sick fuck. I'm fucking the four. I'm fucking the four.

Don't think over here. Fuck you. Fuck you. It's great. Half Sternet research. A lot of people walked out there in the screenings of this film, including a screening that West Craven and makeup's legend

Rick Baker walked out of Oh no West Craven Tarantino said West Craven walked out of my movie the guy who did

Last House on the left walked out of my movie Tarantino said it happens every single screening for some people it's the violence

or the rudeness of the language it's a mountain they can't climb it's okay it's not the cup of tea I wanted it to be disturbing a video game

was released of this movie in 2006 I didn't remember that for PCXbox and PlayStation 2 the game does not feature the likeness of any of the actors

except for one. Can you guess which actor signed off on us like this? Madsen. He needed the paycheck. C.T.C. Yeah. GameSpot called it, quote, an out-and-out failure.

The video game. The film's budget was so low, many of the actors simply used their own clothing as wardrobe and Chris Penn used his own car. I can tell that that's Tim Roth's outfit in the Comode story. Tarantino said in 14 that the entire soundtrack budget

was spent on securing stuck in the middle with you. How many fucks do you think are in this movie? Like 400. I'll say 117. 17. 172. 272.

I get it. The budget wouldn't cover police assistant for traffic control. So in the scene where Bershemi forces a woman out of a car and drives off in it, he can only do so when the traffic lights were green. Oh, my God. This is a true ending.

That's dangerous. Allegedly Madsen had difficulty filming the torture scenes due to his strong aversion of violence of any kind he's been in like 40 action movies how is this possible this feels half-fast

At several points of the filming Tim Roth had been lying in the pool of fake blood for so long that the blood would dry out and he would have to be peeled off the floor which took several minutes because he shot it in the summer and like you said yeah

that's how we're going to be at the end of this podcast we're been peeling us up You mentioned Mr. Blonde's real name was Vic Vega. I never knew this somehow until I was researching this movie that Vic Vega and Vincent Vega from Pulp Fictions were brothers. And then Tarantino said he always wanted to do a prequel called Double V Vega, but Madsen and Chavolta eventually got too old.

I'm really disappointed in this. Yeah. I feel like there was a window in the late 90s where Double V Vega would have been. The lost Tarantino projects is its own never got to see rewatchables, you know? That's a good podcast, the unmade Tarantino movies. He's got a million. the title came to Tarantino. Everybody knows the story when he was working in video archives. He would recommend titles to customers. He suggested, au revoir les infants. Yes, Louis Mal. Orva la infants. Yeah. The patron mockingly replied, I don't want to see no reservoir dogs.

So one just quick note here, this was also back at a time where you could be like really weird and oblique. And it wasn't like, optimized. People were like, what is reservoir dogs? He's like, that's just who these guys are. Yeah. It's funny because when we did the Inglorious Bastards episode, he said something similar about why he's spelled Inglorious Bastards the way that he did.

And he was sort of like, it's one of my things. It's my flourish. I'm allowed to do it because I'm an artist. And he doesn't do that for most of his other movies. You know, Kill Bill. That's just a good title. And once upon a time in Hollywood, that's just a good title.

And you get what it is when you hear it. Reservoir dogs, that's pretty weird. Yeah. It doesn't mean anything. It's confusing. There's no reservoir. There's definitely not a reservoir where they live. Apex Mountain.

I don't really have anybody except for you could make a Chris Penn case. You could 100% make a Madsen case. In fact, I think I will. I think this was his Apex Mountain. You don't have to make a case because I'm not arguing with you. Tim Roth. No, I think Pulp. Hmm.

I think Pulp for him. I was going to say Pulp, too, because I don't think he's that great in this movie. Let's do the accent thing. Chris Penn, it's somewhere between here and shortcuts. I don't know. Was he in at close range? Well, I feel like people will say footloose for Chris Penn. He's the friend.

He's the buddy, footloose. I feel like that's what people would point to. Yeah, you're right. But I love him in this movie. The Saul Rubenek, they knew overacting award. I can't give it to Lawrence Tierney because he's such a bad actor. He wasn't overacting. It's got to go Chris Penn.

It has to go Chris Penn. Don't make me do this. Now it's not pointing that fucking gun in my... Everything he does from when he shoots the cop, this cop right here? This guy? Earmuffs, Sean. He's kind of bad for about 90 seconds in that scene.

Just absolutely not. Who are you talking about? This guy! He just dials it up. They're spit flying out of his mouth. And he's doing that like, his eyeballs are bulging. Like, I'm really trying to act.

Like he's taking a shit. He's just trying too hard. I would have liked to have seen that scene in the hands of Sean Penn. No. that's not correct or James Woods or James Woods

he is overacting and that's Larry stop booing that fucking gun of my dad it's great stuff he's Chris Penn is really great Can I actually

Can I throw another Rubenek in there Yeah is the last 30 seconds of Kytel Oh that's weird He like kind of climbs

He climbs on Roth Like, it's almost romantic. Yeah. It's weird. They've formed a bond. Yeah. There's a father, son kind of bond between the two of them. They bet on the brewers.

That's right. I created one more new category that I didn't tell you about. You really put a lot of work into this. I did. I appreciate that. Thanks. This is a category that actually made stick around. That's right.

He's got to pay on me. I don't know if Quentin's listing, we haven't talked in a while since we worked together. The Iron Meg Sharp Award for Best Reefs. recasting. Oh, wow. You get to recast any key role in this movie with an actor you like. Today or back then?

Yeah, it's got to make sense for 1992. God damn it, Bill. Yeah, this is good. I sprung it on you. What can we do with Caruso in this movie? Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Could Caruso have been the Tim Roth character?

I think Caruso would be a good... Could he have been Mr. Orange? Because they would have been... been Mr. Orange because of his hair. That hair. Yeah. I like where you're going with this. Caruso.

I could have seen him on the... Also, I think Gandalfini as either as nice guy. Whoa. Instead of Chris Penn. Whoa. Strong. It's a great category, right?

Yeah. And Gandalfini has the physical bearing of Joe Cabot. Wow. That's a great pick. Thanks. I'll probably go Schwarzenegger's Mr. Pink. I thought you would take this more seriously.

I'm trying to think of who's a great character actor from the 90s that I want to talk about. Dennis Farina is Joe. Yeah. That's fucking awesome. That would be really good. That's fucking great. He's a little older. It's realistic that one of his sons would have been there.

You want to roll around on the carpet. You go do it in Eddie's office. The name, like, Bushemi getting mad at his, at being Mr. Pink. Like, Farina's reaction to that would have been great. It just lifts it to a whole other level. Would you do, like, William Peterson as Mr. Blonde? somebody like that. Oh, yeah.

That's really good, Sean. Bill Pete? Your boy, Bill Pete. My guy? All right, that was fun. What about Daniel Day Lewis as Mr. Orange? Get a different Brit pack in or Oldman. What about Daniel Day Lewis as Joe Cabot?

He gains 70 pounds, shaves his head. I am Joe Cabot. Cloaked in a men's power. You will cure me my votes. It's so hot in here. We're just doing Lincoln. We're not going to die. It's three-issue that's getting in this.

Picking Nits. They wouldn't really eat breakfast before a bank ice. We covered that. The female driver is going to pull out a gun and shoot the two scary guys that are carjacking her. She's going to point the other guys not going to get her. It wasn't like carjacking like a huge thing, though. And I think guns and cars was a different time. Early 90s.

It was more likely that someone would do that, especially in L.A. Okay. Crime-ridden Eagle Rock a little bit more. I've seen one guy, but not too. It makes less sense to me. because you're just going to get the one guy but not the other guy coming in and then

this has bothered me for how many years now? 27? How did Keitel get two shots off at the end? I'm sure you've done the slow motion frame by frame. So it looks like he got the first shot off What happens?

Then everybody's shooting at each other. I thought you were talking about the very, very last shot That's my unanswerable question. No, yeah, we have that later. I'm saying the three-way shootout. You want me to explain it? He kills both of them. So he gets the first and last shot, basically,

and takes the two middle ones is how that goes. Okay. The only way to explain it is that there is a vanishing one quarter of one second between the time when Joe shoots Mr. Orange, Mr. White shoots Joe, and then in that small frame of time, which is minuscule, Mr. White has the opportunity to turn ever so slightly his gun

and shoot nice guy Eddie while nice guy Eddie is. shooting Mr. White. So he literally just turns in real time. No, I know that, but he had already been shot at that point. But being shot doesn't mean you immediately fall to the ground and die. That's not how it works in real life. If you get shot, you can still be on your feet. Also, it just works for the story.

They just all have to die. It's incredible double shot. Yeah, kills two guys. Good stuff. A split second while getting shot at. The curved bullet. It's great. The grassy Noel Simmons is coming out.

Let's see the logistics. Best quote? Oh, boy. Are you going to bark old? they're just like so small. I didn't even do it. I got to say I left the category empty because I feel like this whole movie is the best quote.

I mean like I like things like, asshole, you better start talking. Yeah. Because we got shit we need to talk about. I think you're kind of borderline doing Pachino and heat. I also love when he's just like,

you're going to be okay. You're going to be okay. You're going to be okay. Say the goddamn fucking words. Oh, are you a doctor? I said, oh,

are you a doctor? My personal favorite is I'm hungry, let's get a taco. I'm hungry. Let's get a taco. After this whole speech about which finger to cut off. Yeah, I got a problem. I got a big fucking problem. I think are you going to bark all day, little doggie, or are you going to bite? Is the one that stuck with me the most. I'm sorry, I didn't catch you.

Would you repeat it? Are you going to bark all day, little doggy? Or are you going to bite? Oh, Christ. Hey, look, you two assholes. Because that was in the trailer too. And because I could only watch the movie when I rented it and I watched the trailer a million times, all those little lines stick out in my head.

I think you're acting like a first year thief. I'm acting like a fucking professional. That's a big one. I really like a nice guy going, all right, Mr. fucking compassion. I will call somebody. I think I won't forget. A fucking snake charmer!

That's a good one. I'm fucking deformed. Sticks with me. Yeah. Yeah. The sick fuck! Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? I'm going to make the case for it quickly.

27 years later, this movie's kind of dated. You could tell the backstory of each guy. That's not the point. No, I'm just going to make the case for it. So you got like seven guys we care about in this movie? You go back, you do like almost law style where it's like the next guy and now you tell his backstory. So now the Tim Roth practicing to be. a cop is now just a whole episode.

I'm not saying this is a good idea. If you were going to do it straight, you would basically make the show about Roth and the first three episodes are him like building up to this and then the second half of the season is him getting into the gang, him doing all this stuff, I think.

I don't want any new Reservoir Dogs content. I don't either. I'm just wanting to play it out. Probably an answerable questions. Can I ask you one here, Bill? Unanswerable? Yeah.

What the fuck is happening? in Gardinia because that's where they all meet with nice guy and Joe. It's quiet. It's also a huge, huge location for Den of Thieves. I've never personally spent much time in Gardena. Want to go road trip? But is it like just a complete like, is it like Moss Isley Spaceport out there? Like all just armed robbers live in Gardinia?

Do you want to go down there and wearing black suits and white shirts and black ties and just looks suspicious? No, I think we should go as Paulo Shriver and 50s. said from dead of Deves. Is this a better movie if we see the heist? No.

That's my first unanswerable question. We've learned this from no country for old men. I love that revelation of Mr. White confronting Mr. Blonde about what he did. Bam! Bam! Bam! That whole making you figure out what actually happened there

slowly unfurling it is way more effective. Can I make the case for seeing the heist? You're just the devil's advocate now. It's Tarantino and I think of those actors robbing a bank, I just would have wanted to watch it. I think they would have maybe shot it if he had the money.

I just think that to get that much stuff going on is really hard outside. There's a reason this movie takes place in a warehouse. But they give us so much because you have Mr. White essentially explaining, you have Mr. Orange explaining

the entire heist to Mr. White. Bang. But then when they're in the car together too and they're talking about the plan and he says, these two go over here, you go over here, you're on crowd control, you're in the back,

getting the diamonds. Like, we can picture it in our mind. We don't need to see it. Okay. But I love bank ice scenes. Yeah, I get it. Probably the most of anyone in this room. Even more than you, Chris Ryan.

I just like watching banks get robbed. I would have been in on it. I would have liked to have known which of the guys would have been the guy who took it a little too far. Probably Madsen. He definitely did. Since you're a big theory person and a big hypothetical person, have you ever mapped out how you would rob a bank? No. You haven't.

I've just thought about it. So never constructed the perfect crime. No, we did, Wilde and I talked about this seven years ago about our amusement park on felony land. Where. I don't think that's aging well. Where you went. It was an amusement park where you could go and you could almost like how, what are the people do when they go the paint gun places? Oh, yeah, paintball.

Paintball. Yeah. But you just predicted the show Westworld. Yeah. So you just get to go and commit felonies, but they're safe? I didn't predict the show Westworld. The show Westworld ripped off felony land. No.

Just look at the fucking dates. In fairness, Westworld was a movie in the 70s. It was a book by Michael Creighton. Listen, I just know what the facts are. You go and it's like, hey, what are you doing for your bachelor party? Oh, we're going down to felony land. 10 of us are going to go fake rob a bank. There's no real way to pitch felony land as a bachelor party that goes over well.

You can say Vegas, like, well, we want to go see Cirque to Soleil and we're going to go ATV driving. And it's like, actually you're going to lose $11,000 and get SDD. Yeah. So you would rob banks in felony land But like you would have the one friend Who would kill a prostitute And that wouldn't be good You don't want that afterwards

You don't want that Did Mr. Pink die? Mr. Pink was Bouchemi's character Yes I think so that was my own Ironsible question is like Does anybody live? I think Mr. Pink gets away And if you're going to do a movie

I like the idea of Mr. Pink present day Bouchemey 60 years old Working in a bar somewhere Something happened Planning a new host What happened afterwards? So Tarantino said he lived.

He said he survives. But orange and white kill each other. Or they die. Apparently, if you jack up the volume, you hear gunshots, and Mr. Pink can very faintly be heard yelling, don't shoot. I've been shot. God damn it. So he lives.

Mr. Pink definitely lives. Something tells me that in 1992, the LAPD would not be like, hey, cool. Hey, oh, he's surrendering. Hold on him. He just shot 11 cops today. Let's carefully put handcuffs on it. complicated time for the LAPD. Any other in answerable questions?

I think also what is Tony Scott's Reservoir Dogs kind of falls into that too, which I think would be interesting. Who won the movie? No brainer. Quentin Tarantino. Did anybody ever launch their career so aggressively? The person, the number one person that he was compared to

after this came out was Orson Wells. They were like, nobody had ever been shot out of a cannon with a directorial debut and made themselves a star. And unlike Orson Wells, topped it. Right. Which is the wildest thing of all of it. Orson Wall's next movie is Magnificenton Amberson. His next movie is fucking Pulp Fiction.

I agree. Tarantino won the movie. I actually was surprised how easily I came to that conclusion. Who would have been your runner-up choice though? I mean, I would do Roth because I love his performance so much. I know that accent is probably. We never talked about Roth. I meant to put that in Nipix. Because we talked about it for a split second.

I just think the accent's bad. It's a pet peeve of mine. It really It goes up and down. It really hurts. I like everything about it except for the accent. I just don't know where he's from and it changes. And then as you said, at one point he's Dutch, there's times when it sounds like he's from Rhode Island,

which makes no sense. So I'm like, maybe he's from like Minnesota or something like that. Or like he has like a little bit. But obviously it's a British guy trying to do a L.A. accent. Yeah. And it's one of those things that if I didn't know as a British guy trying to do an L.A. accent, I would have guessed it was a British guy trying to do an L.A. accent.

It just doesn't add up. Just the vocal intonations on some things Like I'm gonna die Why is he talking that way? I like your Caruso call Thanks man Thanks That won the pod

We should add one more categories Who Won the Pod? He's like Stuff for Legends That whole thing It's a tail in Chris Sean, thank you Thanks to Voodoo

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