The Rewatchables - ‘Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan steal from the rich and pod for the poor as they kick off “Wait, this movie made HOW much money?” month with a rewatch of ‘Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves,’ starring Kevin Costner, Morgan Freeman, Alan Rickman, and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's cranking. Good shows coming back at least. Yeah. The crown's coming back. Got the curse coming. Yeah. Yeah. Van Lathan, he's doing higher learning. Yep, absolutely. Midnight boys, ringerverse. Ringerverse. MCU, we're still here. You watching Loki, though? It's not on my list.

Okay. We have a theme month, man. We're here for the first movie of the theme month in November. What is the theme month? The theme month is... The painted man? Wait, this movie made... The painted man.

The theme month is, wait, this movie made how much money? Oh. month. And we're starting up with Robin Hood. Prince of Thebes is next. It was a time of tyrants. A time when the only way to uphold justice was to break the

law. A time that made a hero into a legend. Kevin Costner is Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. Rated PG-13 starts Friday

June 14th at a theater near you. All right, guys, Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves. 48 million dollar budget made $390.9.5 million worldwide. It was the second biggest movie in 1991. It was a movie that was critically not reviled, but picked apart in a lot of ways. But the audiences loved it, and it lives on 30 plus years later. Van was just telling us, I've seen this dozens of times. I love this movie.

It gets better every time. Do you believe that it was critically, kind of semi-revaled? I wasn't on what the critics were doing during that time. I would watch Siskel and Ebert. But other than that, I had no concept of what the critics were doing. This movie was so big in every way to me. So big on MTV. Obviously, Brian Adams.

Like, it was a McDonald's toy type of movie. Posters everywhere. It was just such a huge. He was at the height of his powers. I have no concept for anyone who didn't do it. And you love Brian Adams in Louisiana. It's like a big artist for you guys. That song was big.

They tried to run it back with the Three Musketeers. Everything I do rang out. Yeah, it was a big deal. So I just have no concept of people who didn't dig it. I got to be honest. You were more of a summer of 69, Adam's guy, CR, right? I like a little bit more electric guitar going in mind, yeah. I was surprised that you love this movie, though.

You do. You know what? I think it hits a lot. It checks a lot of boxes, especially for me, but especially for this podcast, where it's big movie stars pretty competently made, a couple of sequences that you remember for the rest of your life. And, crucially, still this era where entertainment. Weekly gets like behind the scenes tell all the week it comes out where it's like guess

what the director got fired when they were still editing and guess what Alan Rickman almost blew Kevin Koster off the screen and so there's a real rich text here but I mean Van and I were just chatting before we were coming in and we were kind of bemoaning the state of contemporary blockbuster

storytelling and I don't want to step on your anecdote but one of the things that's so cool about this is that even though it's obviously like the biggest movie star in the world at this point with Kevin Costner. You can see like the level of craft that goes all the way down

where they're just like, damn, you guys went to England and shot at Hadrian's wall and like have, you know, there's castles and there's horse riding and there's archery and it feels real. You know, it feels very tactile.

It's closer to Raiders the Lost Ark than it is to any contemporary blockbusters that we have. They committed. We're watching, the Midnight Boys are over at the house yesterday and we're just going in and out of some of the most amazing nerd shit that you can do.

We're literally watching stuff and then we're taking a break to play Spider-Man 2 on the PlayStation 5. And then we're going back to football and we're just doing it. And Kalika's head is spinning with how she got herself in this situation. And I start watching this movie

because I have to watch it for the rewatchables. And the first thing I go is, like, yo, man, they built that. Like, they built that. They went there. Whatever, however seriously you take the movie, they took it very seriously. They were making the defining Robin Hood tale of our times, and that comes across on the screen when you're watching it.

You're in the middle of the adventure. 1938, 1973 were Robin Hood movies. There was a 1976 semi-Robin Hood movie. There were two in 1991. The Connery one is the 76. Robin and Marion. Yeah. Two in 1991, then 2010, 2018.

They kind of rushed this one because there was another one going on at the same time. That would have been good theme. There was two others. Movies that got rushed because there was a competitor and they were trying to make them. We get the pre-fontein action going in there. Oh, pre-fonte. That's my favorite movie.

The double pre-fontane and then without limits. Yeah. Which side are you on? I can't remember the difference between them. I'm on the crude-up side. Oh, you like the crude. And the other one is Jared Leto. Yeah.

The crude-up one is the better one. The crude-up one is better one. Yeah. So one of the many reasons I love this movie as a re-watchable is it's so flawed. And the biggest flaw in the movie is the biggest star the movie and he became the most polarizing person from this movie, Kevin Costner. It was a real talking point back then. It was like, yo man, Costner, what happened here?

A rare miss. Costner's on this run from 87 and 92, no way out, Bull Durham, Field of Dreams, Dances of Wolves and Revenge. And he's just about to win all these Oscars and be goodfellas for Dance with Wolves as he's making this. This happens sometimes when you're a movie star and you're like, I'm the biggest star in the world. I can do anything. This is Ben Affleck doing Batman.

Yeah. And he's finishing dance with wolves. He's about to do JFK, right? He basically... He finished JFK and he's about to do... Finishing Dance with Wolves, 10, like, I don't know, like 10 days later, he's on the set of Robin Williams.

There's no rehearsals. And then literally nothing. They were like, you're going to use an English accent? He's like, I don't know. I haven't figured it out. And they premiered this movie in New Orleans because Costner was shooting JFK and New Orleans, I think. It's a speed rush.

Yeah. And it's a speed rush. It's a classic, this guy is flying so close to the sun. He's like, you know what I'm in? I'll grow my hair out a little bit. Give me some extensions. I'll figure out the accent on the fly. Is there to be some sword fighting?

Yeah, give me a little tutorial. Archery? Yeah, why not? Do you care if my accent comes in and out there in the movie? It'll be fine, right? And he's just, I'm Kevin Costner. I can do this. And I kind of like that about the movie because it's kind of hilarious.

No one's ever bet bigger on themselves than Kevin Costner. Oh, yeah. I mean, maybe they have, but, like, Kevin Costor... Maybe Affleck. There are Affleck's in the finals with them, I feel like. Kevin Costner has routinely, like, taken it all. It's like, he's got a little copula to him. Where he's like, I'm going to take all the credit I have in the bank and put it on Waterworld.

Or I'm going to put it on. Or Wyatt, Rup. Yeah, on Wyatt, or this movie that's coming out. The two movies he's got coming out next year, Horizon, where he's basically leaving Yellowstone to make his own westerns. Yeah. Well, it was the, you know, the Lawrence Kazan quote on Kevin Costner. Remember when he diss the shit out of. of him. He's like, I think he should only work with his favorite actor, writer, producer,

and director for the rest of his career. Now, of course, is Kevin Coffin. Like, Kevin likes to get an ISO in. And this is one hell of an ISO. But look, for me, at this time, poster, Costner, flaming arrow coming towards the thing. He's Robin Hood. I'm in there. And they, they were onto something with this. You're right. It's a flawed rewatchable. It's very enjoyable. I could watch Alan Rickman all day long, all night long. There are, the bones of this movie are essentially, like, what Titanic wound up capitalizing on. Like the... I would throw on Game of Thrones.

Yeah. But, like, no, but even just the, like, deeply romantic, huge song, character that you kind of know about, but maybe don't know totally. Like, we know the Titanic. We don't know the people on it, right? Over the top villain. Over the top villain. Like, it's like, there are elements of it. Starcross lovers that are trying to figure out a way to stay together.

They had a little bit of the chemistry here. And come, they find their love through this, like, intense. tense chaos where they have to rely on one another. Yeah. She also was kind of a doing herself type of lady, but they kind of find it together. It's like, yeah, I get it. Also, some incredible unintentional comedy in this movie.

That was one of the things I loved in the early 90s about this. Because first of all, as Chris pointed out, the buzz is already there that this might be a disaster. This was the era of the premiere magazine in EW. I think they're like, it's much better than you would think for a movie that went through the issues it went through. In that EW piece that comes out, really, is the movie's coming out.

The director is like, yeah, I'm out. Not going to premiere. They locked me out of the editing room. Haven't talked to Costner. Yeah, I'm not sure I'm friends with Costa anymore. And I was a terrible experience. I'd like to move forward. And the movie isn't out yet.

Yeah. I just remember being so hype for it. Like, so pumped. I was going through a little bit of a Robin Hood face because, like, Robin Hood, for me. I was curious about this. Yeah, I was going through a little bit of a Robin Hood phase. I'd start to read Robin Hood stuff. And there are books about, like, Robin Hood's kids and, like, the people that were related to Robin Hood before I'm into it.

And just right at this time, like, this is coming out. It was a very Robin Hoodie era because right after this, a couple of years later, I think the guy who continuously beat the shit out of his wife and sleeping with the enemy. Patrick Bergen. Patrick Bergen, he becomes Robin Hood. Laura! Like, fix the goddamn tiles. What a crazy son of a bitch. Like, he had to die, right?

He's in the top ten had-to-die people in all of my. movies. We did that one, right? We did it. Yeah. I was on it. Yeah. I just want to make sure I'm old. Yeah, he had to die. It happens to me now where I'm like, we did that? Do we do that? And I just talked to Van in the lobby about that or did we actually do a whole podcast? And it's almost as if this movie came out and it was a big hit. So there was a rush of people saying, hey, we could actually do Robin Hood right. Like people want to see Robin Hood stuff. They want to see this type of English lore. But like, we could do it right. And still to this day, There's been a lot of adaptations of it.

None of them have quite peak people's interest to me like this one has. He's kind of like, it kind of reminds me of Superman, where people don't feel like they can tell the story without telling the origins. So you have to have this sort of lead up to him becoming Robin Hood, robs from the rich to steal, robs from the rich to give to the poor kind of thing. And the same thing happened with the Ridley Scott Russell Crowe movie, where there's like 45 minutes of him on the Crusades

before you even get back to England or something like that. There's like a kind of people get in their own way. What we want is this dude, in Sherwood Forest, with Maid Merriam, with Lil John and Will Scarlet, Robin motherfuckers, not going out like...

It's such a good point. We've done the Batman theme before and I told people I was like, yo, rest and peace of those people, I don't need to see... Bruce Wayne's... I don't need to see them get killed again. We get it.

Yeah. Like, we know what happened. Well, it's like when they have those music documentaries and they spend 30 minutes on somebody growing up and you're like, can you just get to the part when they got their first number of hit and start doing cocaine? Yeah. Can that happen?

Here's some of the stuff people wrote at the time. This is EW's own Gleberman. People are bound to say that Costner is upstage by Rickman. The truth, though, is that he's upstage by nearly every actor shares the scene with him. That's the thing that was written. Reynolds said the director Kevin Reynolds

Kevin was pretty tired meaning Costner and understandably so after dance with wolves he did the best he could do he threw himself completely into the character even though there was no time

for him to assimilate the part that's basically like yeah Kevin kind of sucked we didn't have enough for us so time Kevin Kevin had a dead arm but we threw him out there anyway Ty Burr wrote for EW later that year about Costner

he's dismally out of place a 1990s guy stranded in the 1190s Daughters need only rent Robin Hood on a video double bill with Fandango to see how the actor has lately played against his strengths. You can almost feel the weight of stardom that descended in the intervening six years. I kind of like this about the movie because I see this movie is, and we've talked about a lot, like, the arc of a career and like when you make that one mistake or the movie you shouldn't have made or, oh man, I can't believe they did that one.

And just Kostner thinking he could just fly to England and just bang out Robin Hood in 10 weeks is insane. Yeah. Like most people would be like Can you imagine Cruz The amount of The amount of sword training he would have done In archery But it's not even the sword training

I won the gold medal in the Olympics and archery It's deciding what kind of guy this is Now they may What kind of guy was Robin Hood And Costner's mind in this movie? I think he's basically Roy from Field of Dreams I think he's like a good person Who believes that other people

Are being taken advantage of And he is going to help them While in the process avenging his father's death and I always think about when he finds out that Christian Slater that Will Scarlett's his brother he's like I have a brother I have a brother and he's like hugging him and doing the Kevin Costner cheering up thing

and you're like, Shula shows out in the front yard it's like want to have a catch dad and it's like oh okay that's the movie you wanted to make then there's like the punk rock like I'm like a little puckish like annoying rebellious Robin Hood that pops up in the beginning of the movie but yeah like they I don't know that they ever

landed on like what are we doing here so what are we doing here charles homes and i love to hear that um so like i feel like when they pitched this to him they were like yo we got this movie don't even worry about it we're gonna make you look like the motherfucker yeah because this is a hero film you know how many shots of him just being magnificent when they think he's dead and he comes back out of the like out of the thing yeah the fire shot the whole nine, a shot of his ass. Hey, ladies, we got some ass for you. He's like, literally, they did a Pamela Anderson scene, but with Kevin Costner, where he's

wet, getting out of the water, Baywatch style. This is the sexiest, strongest, most heroic motherfucker in the whole world. And he was like, I can't not do it, right? Like, I can't. We're going to give you Don Johnson's hair from season four Miami Vice, like big flowing locks with the little Yermer Yager in the back. Some bangs back there. You can't say no to that, man.

And so he just got there and everybody, everyone has done this, I feel like a lot of big stars. I don't want to say everyone. But he just tried to charm his way through a movie. He just wanted to charm his way through it. What are some other examples of that where somebody, because I do feel like Affleck this happened with him a couple of times where he was just like, I just need to go and do Ben Affleck stuff.

It feels like basically every A-List actor has. a couple of this. Yeah, well, they just take one and they just kind of, they just, hey, I'm gonna draw my, like Will Smith tried to do it in Hancock. That's a good one. Like Will Smith tried to do it in Hancock.

Like, before Hancock is coming out, Hancock is like, everybody's talking about this movie and it's about an alcoholic superhero and this whole deal. And when you get to the film, Will is just willing his way being curmudgingly all the way through the film and he never really got to the center of it.

Air Force One might be a good example of this because it's like, yeah, man, Harrison Ford, why don't you just play the president? But you can also kick ass. It's a president who could beat up terrorists on a plane. Is it attack and religious say Cruz and War of the Worlds? Well, that's a great movie, though. That's a really good movie.

The movie is directed. Is Cruz good at that, though? Yeah. I think so. That movie is so fucking well made, though. Like, that movie is so well made that he almost didn't have to do that much. You probably don't like it because of the Yankees' Red Sox stuff in the beginning. of it.

I didn't like that part. Harrison Ford and Air Force One is a good one where it just looks like he's like, hey, can you wire, can you wire my salary? Yeah. I'm leaving the number of my account and just put that in directly. So, there's also movies that I think movie stars feel compelled,

like, I have to take this choice. I have to make this choice. Like, I have to play, if given the opportunity, I need to play a Jedi or Robin Hood or Batman or the president or something. You know what I mean? where it's just like, why not me? Yeah, he's not, at that point in his career,

he's not going to be Batman, he's not going to be Superman, he's not going to be any of those big, heavy lore things that actors are riding on, but he can be Robin Hood, and he's not going to have to worry about like a tremendous amount of competition. Like, Kevin Costner is Robin Hood

is a big feather in the cap of your career. Is this a... Matt Damon, legend of Bagger Vance when he didn't know how to play golf? He's like, I don't know how to play golf. They're like, in two weeks. Here's your golf coach.

Is Robin Hood have any hold for you as like an idea, as a character? Well, I was going to do this later for a hottest take, but like they never really nailed it in a movie completely until the wire. Like, they nailed it with Omar. That's kind of what, and they really

dive into it with Omar. And that was like, when you mentioned how with Robin Hood, there's like, you could have gone another 20 minutes with him just robbing people and they're giving, like, that's kind of how I always. saw Robin Hood as a kid. He's a swashbuckler. Like, I don't need to know the, like,

the history that proceeds. Yeah. For him, he was doing it for everybody else. I don't know. They never really... This is a funny thing where I can't think of another character where they're... It's basically, like, the concept around what their actions were

is more famous than the character. So, like, the idea of robbing the rich to give to the poor is almost a bigger idea than Robin Hood. Right. Like, what is he? Is he funny? Is he biting? Well, he's a mythological folklore figure.

You know, it's like King Arthur. It's like, who goes? You know, the band of Mary Men, all of these guys, they're like this counterculture type. It depends on the way you envision it, right? Yeah. Because either they're rebels or their outcasts. With whatever point you're at,

do you have to put politics to this? Why is he robber from the rich to give him to the poor? You know that he's of noble blood. So what made him turn his back on whatever's going on? We don't find that out. Well, I mean, this movie eats around the edges of it. Because, number one, she describes who he is, but, like, we never know the Robin that was a bully and that was arrogant. Oh, yeah.

The first thing he does is, like, insanely selfless, right? So we never get a chance to know that. And then by the time he comes back, he is the underdog, like, the entire film. So those are questions that are left unanswered here, you know? Is it— You almost in your head, it's more like a Jamie Lannister, not as vicious, but— But kind of that same kind of attitude. Like it should almost be like he's from Boston.

He's got a little, you think you're better than me. I'm going to take your money and give it to the poor. You think you better than me? I know you, Robin. You went to exit it. You think you're better than me, but you're not. So the troubled shoot thing, the latest they could start the movie was September 3rd. And they had 10 weeks for pre-production and Kostner arrived three days before filming was about to begin.

So they couldn't do rehearsing. They were also recasting stuff, which we'll get to in a second. They barely had read-throughs. They were also filming on location, and it was too close to London's Heathrow Airport. So jets would be flying, and they would just have to stop scenes. And at some point, they all became panic that they weren't going to get this movie done. And they were racing against finishing it before England's summer was over. So it would basically be raining every day, you know.

And then as they're racing to finish near the end, the producer, Freak out because Alan Rickman It's the star of the movie and Costner's not that good and they're like oh my god Rickman's like stealing this from Costner we gotta do something And they they boot up the director and they re-edit the movie and nobody really knows how much they took out of Rickman People seem to think they definitely took out a couple of big scenes so in the extended cut I wish I watched on accident Yeah, yeah go ahead and they have a couple of extra Rickman and the witch scenes

hilarious Yeah and then there's like a there's more Rickman in the extended cut and you have to imagine so basically this is a fascinating thing

is like they showed it to a focus group and the focus group was like this movie's awesome we really enjoyed ourselves and they were like great but the problem was is that the reason that they loved it

was more because of Alan Rickman yeah they're like what's your number one thing that you loved about the movie and they were like Alan Rickman and this is the weird but this is the weird

Hollywood thing is like you would think maybe they would be like Great. Nice surprise, but everybody loves this movie, so let's just roll with it. And instead, they're like, oh, shit. Now we have a Kevin Costner problem because he can't get upstage. How much is Costner responsible for that? Because this was in a big dick swinging superstar era. I think that's the thing. I think the climate has changed. Now, I think you make a movie. And when you're watching the Dark Night, you go, okay, this is a Batman movie, but it's really not.

Right. This is a Heath Ledger movie. It was a Heath Ledger doing a once-in-a-generational villain turn, right? So everybody comes and they appreciate it for that. That's a post-movie star-era decision to make. So you're saying in early 90s, it was still... You're not taking Schwarzenegger's movie away from Schwarzenegger. Tom Cruise needs to get the girl... He's got to win the fight.

You're not taking the Stallone movie from Stallone, and Kevin Costner is not going to go play Robin Hood and do this whole deal and then be upstaged by the second league. This movie actually, and this whole story, makes me even respect Bruce Willis and Die Hard more. Letting Rickman Cook. Well, he lets Rickman cook, but he's also so charming that no one's like Alan Rickman stole the movie from Bruce Willis. And it's like when you get into a pissing contest with somebody, you got to make sure you can win it. I don't care if CR steals the podcast for me every once in a while.

We all win if CR wins. That's right. So they actually ended up locking Reynolds out And it turned into a whole thing And he was really pissed about it after And was not shy about talking about it Alan Rickman So he's got this and diehard

Yeah Like two of the biggest movies of like a 10 year span He's probably one of the great screen villains Ever just off these two movies It's like having two Super Bowls Yeah Like the Giants, yeah Oh thanks Chris

Chris is feeling himself He's 8 in 1. Making Giants jokes. Yeah. I mean, it is kind of like that, it is kind of like that 2007, 2000, you know, he's going up against the big undefeated. Rickman. He's like Eli Manning.

Yeah. He's the Eli Manning of villains. He's just taking scouts. He's got Willis. He's got Costner. Who's next? Well, he's way more in control in die hard. Yeah.

And in this movie, he's like, I'm fucking going for it. It is the perfect example of guys in different who are doing. different movies. And it's kind of crucial that you only, I think Nottingham and Robin come face to face once before

they have the one where he cuts his face and then they meet again at the end of the film in a fight but are never sharing dramatic or comic scenes together.

So Rickman is like, my thing is I'm going to take this to, you think it goes to 11, it goes to 15. And Costner's like, I'm playing like a normal guy who's like

just try to make things work out. You know, and like they're in completely different films. I think that I enjoy the Alan Rickman movie more for rewatching, but I do sympathize with Costner's plight there. It's almost as if

Rickman is trying to fuck over Kevin Costner. Like, Kevin Costner's character is not like English at all. Rickman is distinctly English with an English comedic sensibility. Yeah. With that sardonic

sort of smirk in every single scene killing people mocking them as they're dying but it's still funny. He's a

coaked up gothic Satan worship. Right. I mean like he gets all the good lines. Every fucking thing

that happens even the spoon bit which has gone on to be like it in like cut your heart out with a spoon it's dull

it'll hurt more. That whole thing is almost as if he goes well fucking nobody else is taking this shit seriously. I'm going to the next

level is the Alan Rickman show. Yeah. Well it's even better than that because the script was apparently so bad he got two buddies to help him to write some of the lines and punch it up

and make it funnier for him. So I have a question for you. Yeah. This is part of our theme run here and this is what's the theme again? That made how much money? Sweet, that made how much money? You gotta like raise your voice.

Do you think that the reason you're even thinking of this movie in the theme is because of T2? No, I was thinking more. I wanted to do some big commercial movies that I liked, but then also did even better than I would have expected. Sure.

And when I went back and I looked at the box office mojo for 1991 and T2 crushes, T2, T2, yeah, it's like 30% higher. And T2, it's like you go see it and its instant time was Stone Cold classic. Right. Robin hits going against city slickers and silence of the lambs

and sleeping with the enemy and the Adams family and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles too and it crushed everything. Secret of the Oos. And it kind of won the summer. Secret of the Ouse. Yeah, finish the title, baby. Ninja Rap.

So this came out and then Terminator 2 came out a couple weeks later. You guys don't remember. Of course you guys remember the absolute anticipation for the movie was like at an all-time. This and T2, the combo.

It was the arrow shot. Isn't the arrow shot was like the commercial or the trailer? The arrow shot was the commercial. commercial, they had the arrow, the arrow, there's two arrow shots. One, where he split the arrow. And the camera's on the arrow. And the camera's

on the arrow. I'm like, oh, shit. And then the other one is the Flaming Arrow. I'm like, I'm there. And then you go and there was some for me, there were some like curveballs. Like, I was expecting Morgan Freeman to pop out. But let's take a break.

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oh yeah, it's true. I don't know what the accent would be. This is the first time I've ever seen a more depicted on screen. Yeah. Like, this made me,

this made me, like, go look up who the Moores were which is kind of, which is kind of, the Moors was a bunch of badass. And then this, and then True Romance comes right after this.

Yeah, that has Moorish blood. Yeah. Yeah. Well, not even, not blood, yeah. Yeah. Where he's talking about the Moors.

I'm like, okay, the Moors is some badass. And so now, you know, get on to the Moors thing. But it was cool to see him. I knew him for some reason, though. He wasn't Morgan Freeman. He didn't. Street Smart was like, this is not, is this before or after Unforgiven?

This is actually, he. He's in Unforgiven. He's in Unforgiven. After. Of Unforgiven on the set. And he's like, check this out. And Freeman goes to Eastwood is like, can I play Ned? What's crazy, though, is, like, his biggest weapon is his voice.

and they take his voice away and they give him Adabees's accent. But it still kind of works because it's Morgan Freeman. It's good. I wish he had more to do. Like I feel like he does the

he delivers the baby and they're like we got to give Zem a win here. You know, like what do we get? Well, they set it up nicely though where he's like, you've saved my life.

I'm going to save your life now. I've got you. I've got you. But I'm going to watch you get your ass kicked a lot. It's a funny bit. He did. Yeah, he delivers the baby to solve racism.

It was like a early, version of the help. After that, racism never existed. I was done. It was over. He solved it in the 11-Henger's. Like, he literally, like literally Fry-Tuck.

Shout out to Fryer Tuck. Literally looks at him and says, look, you're heathen. I hate you. Then all of a sudden he delivers the baby. A little white baby comes screaming out. Fry-Tuck is like, come on. Bring it over here.

He's back in. Yeah, he has some good, good moments and scenes. I wonder what he thought of the whole Costner experience. And it's like, man, this guy is. Have we ever heard anything about Morgan's

on-set demeanor? I've never heard anything about him other than pure professional gentleman. It seems like he used to go with the flow. I remember in the Shawshank research, like he did not like the director. He didn't like Darabond? And he was kind of surprised that that movie did well,

but he did not like his experience. But no, I haven't heard that much either. But they make the, his character is like a super cool character. He's got the telescope, the whole nine, like he's awesome. He rips off a run where he becomes one of, the most important actors of the 90s? Is that fair?

Yeah. I mean, let me... Certainly one of the most noteworthy, right? His, like, Morgan Freeman is kind of like one of those actors to where he might not be the lead, but if he's in the movie, you know that it means quality. Yeah.

It gives it a boost. By, like, 93, 94, seeing his name made me feel better about whether I should go to the movie. Sure. So, Bonfire of the Vanity's, he was the judge. Then Robin Hood. Then I'm forgiven. Shawshank.

He's in outbreak. He's in seven. Then he moves into that kind of kiss the girls. Um, a style of hard rain, deep impact. He's just working a lot.

And he keeps going all through the 90s, all the way through some of fears, but some of all fears. He really has a couple checks in there. Late, former career, though. I mean, he's got to be over 50 in this movie.

Yeah. Half of television. Right. Yeah. How old do you think he was in this movie? Well, I was going to say, one of the reasons why,

like, 1937 so he's 54 in this movie is my age I'm fucking old Wait a minute He's 54 years old How old is he now? He's born in 1937 He's 86

Yeah Morgan Freeman is 86 Yeah he's old And he was in fucking lioness He's a wait wait Hold on for a second First of all Morgan Freeman is a late fucking blue

Morgan Freeman is 10 years older than Dennis Quaid Is this a situation to where He's actually He's been perpetually old for all time, but he's actually older than I thought he was. Well, no, he's even way old. He's 15 years old. But he's looked 40 forever, I feel like.

Right. Well, he started, he got his, he got famously. Like, I think he was like a theater actor and stuff for a long time. It was 89. He had glory had driving Miss Daisy and he had lean on me all in the same year. I'm going to tell you guys, something right now. The fact that he is 54 in this movie is so fucking inspiring to me. Like I get him.

I mean, that's so inspiring to me. me, you know, you would expect, you wouldn't think that 54 was, is when it would get started. You know what I mean? It's not really getting started. He's been active for, he was in the electric company in like the 70s, right? So he's been a long, around for a long time. He was in that guy for a while

in the late 70s, early 80s, because he was in like Brew Baker and a couple of those type of movies. And you were like, oh, that guy. But he never did his thing. Yeah. Almost like Sam. Sam broke a little late too, right? Yeah. The theme song, everything I do, I do it for you, was nominated for an Academy Award and won the Grammy Award,

for best song written for visual media. How many weeks was it like number one? 14 weeks. And it fucking felt that way. As a kid, you could not breathe without that song being on. How many weddings do you think? At the time, like... No, I mean, over the next 20 years,

how many weddings was that the first dance song? And now let's introduce the groom and the bride. And then it was like... It was that in the Armageddon theme song by Aerosmith. Yeah. And this pretty much runs the block until my whole... Heart Will Go On comes out. And also you'd hear like a, you'd just be in the mall somewhere and you wouldn't actually

hear the song. You'd hear like. The music version of it. Yeah, you'd be in like J.C. Penny and it would be playing like that. Everybody like loved the record. And it fucking ruined. Well, I guess it was more VH1 at the time, but it really like, you'd be like, like, stay home and watch cable today.

And then it would just be like Brian Adams all day long. But you, summer 69 now. That was. You were with him ever since then. But remember they tried to, because Three Musketeers comes out, I said this before, it comes out a couple of years later, and they try to redo it. Yeah.

It was, but this time it was, they triple teamed it. I heard that. It ran a train on the song. Yeah. It was, it was Brian Adams. Who was it? It was Brian Adams. Was it sting involved?

Yeah. And then it was, they tried to add another one. It was the All for Love's three. Rod Stewart. Yeah. That time was awful. Yeah, that one sucked. It didn't work.

The movie didn't work. Yeah. All for Love. You're right. Roger Ebert, two stars. He said it was murky, unfocused, violent, and depressing version of the classic story. Raj got triggered by this. He was like, I can't believe children are going to see you such a violent film.

And it's like, Raj, kids are watching the raid now. Then he wrote another piece after where he said, I thought it was jury, murky, too violent, lacking in magic. I still do not quite understand how a legend so filled with enchantment and lighthearted heroism could be transformed in a movie only. marginally more upbeat but upbeat than the doors. God. Well Hollywood.

Well, Hollywood learn a lesson from this film. Will it stop rushing half big projects in a production in order to meet deadlines with disaster? I doubt it. But I think it will be a long while before Kevin Costner allows himself to be bamboozled into another one of these flim flams. God, damn. He's talking about the MCU right there. He really, really was upset. Well, this kind of foreshadowed where the MCU would go or just like, hey man,

Want to put it on a suit? Yeah. And it's also like, hey, we have a release date. You got to make a movie. Be there in two weeks. Can you think you work out? You need some HGH? What do you need?

Oh, he didn't work out. Costner didn't. He did not. He was, take me as I am, Robin Hood. Today's most rewatchable scene is brought to you by the Home Depot. Make this holiday season something you want to replay again and again with new festive decor from the Home Depot. They've got Black Friday savings happening all month long.

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Robin Hood escaping at the beginning. This is English courage. Koster's hair and beard are just magnificent. He looks like a deadhead who's just selling acid in a parking lot outside of the Meadowlands. And when he puts his hand down on the stump, he's like, this is English courage. Yeah. But sounds like he's from Modesto. Yeah.

You're like, fucking Houston, we have a problem. This is not going to go well in the accent department. His accent, then Freeman's like, here's my accent. It's like, oh, we're up. We're having an accent, accent competition. It's a key party, but for accents. You saved my life. Now you're stuck with me.

Our way lies together with the street of Allah. What? You have saved my life, Crickon. I will stay with you until I have saved yours. That is my vow. Thanks, but I go to England. I relieve you of your obligation. Only a law could do that.

I had this later for What's Age the Best. I love movies like this where they take the star and they just throw a crazy wig and like a crazy beard. Seagal is the best one ever is Seagal. What was the one? Carrey and I did that. Heart to kill.

Yeah. When he's in a coma for seven years. It's when he's in a coma. Yeah. He's in a coma and they just put this wig on him. Is that the one where Kelly LeBrock heals him with acupuncture? That's the funniest one.

Well, she comes over. Remember. Yeah, she looks at his cock. No, wait, wait, wait. She lifts the sheet up. But it was like, there's my guy. Wait, but wouldn't it? Wasn't there a scene in that one?

And you guys, and maybe I... You just destroyed. She does. You just destroyed this. Sometimes you was just fucking like, the 1980s Boston guy just fucking jumps out of you. And you're just like, hey, she looked at his cock. You looked at his cock. You see that movie, Kelly LeBrock?

Sorry. Like you forget where you are. Yeah. Wouldn't that the movie? And maybe I made this up in my mind where she comes over to him and he's in the bed and she goes, hey, I just wanted to give you a little. little pussy and then she actually has like a cat. Yeah.

Yeah. We used to make incredible things in this country. The sexual tension with the coma patient is really unprecedented. We used to really care about the stories we told, you know. This scene's a really fun way to start a movie. I wrote that Costner saves a little kid. I wrote down Robin wins over Little John. Well, best man, you leave this rabble.

Yes, I do, mate. And if you toss pots want to travel through Sherwood Forest, it's going to cost you that gold medallion. It's a sacred to me. It's sacred to us too, mate. That there will feed us for a blemin month. You'll have to fight me for it. Love to, mate.

Yeah, that's one of my favorites right there. Good one. The poor fight. Yeah. I wrote down, Koster shoots an arrow, on Will's hand and then gives an inspiring speech with three different accents. He's English, then he's

from like the valley, then he's from Bay Area. He's just all over the place. The Rickman on fire when he does that, just a minute. Just a minute. Robin Hood steals money from my pocket, forcing me to hurt the public

and they love him for it. Yes. Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans. No more merciful beheadings. And call off Christmas. He's just going for it. Is that to cancel Christmas speech? Yeah.

Lepers and orphans. You know, I gotta say, the last like 45 minutes of this movie is rocking. That's what I have the hanging as my... Yeah, the big fight scene. Robin saves the day and ruins the wedding. The action is really good. Yeah.

The sword fight's good. Connery coming in at the end. Like the last 45 minutes, It's like elite. Yeah. I have one of, I don't mean to step on what's age to the best, but one of my favorite things is when they do the model of the fight that they're about to have. So they're like, and you're going to stand here.

Yeah, yeah. And then you're going to come through here. And then you get to the actual fight and you're like, that is, that's what they had in the model. Like, this is really cool. Like they actually did it. And so when you watch the final fight sequence. It's like Shane Steichen, doing a five receiver offense. That's right.

It's like, you're like, oh my God. This is, they've actually designed this. that I know where everybody is. Yeah, it's good. Because this movie, the first two-thirds, it's a little slow. It's a little cumbersome. Definitely could be edited. And there's like multiple P-breaks.

But when you get to the last third, especially from a cable standpoint, it's like, oh, they're about to... He's going to do the... He's going to shoot the arrow through the ropes. Yeah. It's like, it's great. I like when the Celtics come to play an away game and they destroy the village, your people, Bill.

And when I felt like this is a dig You mean the Celts But it's basically He's calling the South Yeah They're Celtics They're Celtics

They got Porzingis They got Porzengis out there Do you think that The people who saw The Celts coming to destroy them We're like man This is the best Five-Man lineups

In Shack and Kobe KD and Curry But I love that part Because it's like They win But then And then he was Oh my God

And then the fire comes in Another part Is when Marion comes down to see him bathing. She is the horniest woman that has ever existed.

She's like arrested with horny. She's like her whole life. You just assume Robinhood's like a human tripod. She's the only thing I could think of. She's like, oh my God. The whole world. We invent a new award that's the Kelly LeBrock looking under the Sheets Award for the Horny's Women. We should.

We should have been a horniest woman. Because women Women's hooniness like it's downplayed in movies. Everyone is talking around her. Yeah. But she's so focused on his That is a good scene. Yeah.

Don't slut shame Lady Marion, man. Let her life. Yeah. She's like, look at Robin. Jesus Christ. You didn't tell me he was bathing. First of all, totally inappropriate. Like, turn around and let this man get out the water.

Yeah. But not her. She's looking right there. And then Connery at the end is just an unexpected bonus. And honestly, it was like a fuck shocking. cameo. I was like, that's that guy. That's fucking James Bond. This is what we used to, now it happens in the

Marvel universe, I guess, but this is what used to happen in the early 90s where they would stack these movies. And it's like, you know what, fucking Sean Conner, here's 250 grand. Can you show up for one day? Remember when Robards shows up at the end of Crimson Tide? Oh, yeah. It's Robarts. Just out of nowhere. Yeah. Just as one of the guys.

And you're like, oh, shit, I know that. The firm has a little of that too. This was the error of like, they just had money to give to everybody to be like the ninth lead in the movie. And when he pops out just real quick, that is so well cast because he is ridiculously old, kingly, handsome. It's Sean Connery.

He's talking. And he's got the accent. And it also really helps because, like, in the movie and in mythology, I guess, like, King Richard is the reason they're doing all of this. That's the reason they do it in the crusade. That's the reason why they're fighting against Notting him in the first place.

So if it comes back and it's just like, And it's, it's Eric Idol or whoever it would be, like, whoever it is. Like, it would be, it's great that it's like somebody who's one of the biggest movie stars ever. What do you got for most rewatchable? The hanging. What do you got? I had the, the, the end, the hanging part, and then I had the, um, my favorite scene of the movie, for whatever reason is when Robin meets little John and they're fighting in the water.

Like, that's my favorite scene. The hanging scene I love so much is like also like the things that come up that make it like more dramatic. So, like, when they, he's like, all he has to do is he's going to shoot this, like, Miracle Olympic archer shot to knock all the ropes out. But then they put Will down on the TNT so he can't really shoot where he wants to shoot. And he has to, like, do all this stuff to get the right angle. And it's good stuff. I have the hanging as well. Once again, today's most rewatchable scene brought to by Home Depot.

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Michael Kamen. Yeah. Really good. Like high end. I feel like it's been stolen in other movies but I don't, it definitely feels

for, it's one of those movie theme soundtracks that just feels familiar. I feel like they like let it rock during like golf tournaments now. Yeah. It's just one of those great ones.

Um, This movie does a really good job of portraying medieval England. Like, you know, the teeth, not a lot of toothpaste. All the fact that everybody looks totally fucked up. And that also actually... Not a lot of toothpaste back in the 1100s. Works thematically because Marion looks beautiful in this movie. And she also looks like the only person that has access to, like, dentistry.

Like, she looks perfect. She looks like she could step off. She's clean. People are super dirty and muddy. and she's just like angelic. Chris, where do you stand on heroes killing bad guys with a bow and error? I'm very pro.

Do you like that should come back? Yeah, I like Boan Arrow. Bowen Arrow murders are good. Yeah, great. They're good action things. We mentioned crazy hair, beard situations from A-list stars that are clearly a wig and a fake beard.

Great stuff. Robin Hood, Med and Tights, I have as an age of best. I haven't watched that. They basically made this as a response to this movie, and it just was a nice little. I would, well, I was going to recommend that as the double feature for this. How about, um, Loxley, I'm going to cut your heart out with a spoon. Oh, my God.

Improvised. Yeah. I'm going to. Then it begins. Why a spoon, cousin? Why not a axe? Because it's dull, you twit. It'll hurt more.

So was you, my room 10th or tonight. You, my room 10. 1045. Bring a friend. improvised. Silly outdoor movies with kind of shaky special effects. I'm pro. That's what stage is the best for me.

Now I feel like they would CGI like all of this. Yeah. Yeah. This was like they're just fighting through it. There's only one like clear CGI. Or they would have shot this in like Romania or something. Right. Yeah, it's in Poland. He gets off of the boat when he gets back and he gets down there and

this is so weird. And he's grabbing the sand and whatever. He's home, right? But he's actually grabbing the sand. and he's actually super wet. So you're like, this actor had to go through, just a little discomfort to make this scene real. I think that's actually Cliffs of Dover. Like, I think they shot there.

Yeah. So it's like, so in other words, stage the best. Morgan Creek is the production company. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is the production company.

Late 80s Chris Ryan would have worked for. This is what they ripped off over like an eight-year run. Young Guns, Major League, Young Guns 2, Exorcist 3. Pacific Heights, Robin Hood, Free Jacks, Last of the Mohicans, True Romance, Ace Ventura, Major League 2. That's really it. I would have had...

That's a great run. As a development executive at Morgan Creek, I would have just had a crippling drug problem and a portion bought entirely on credit. And you're like, Young Guns 3. Can we get Lou Diamond? A prequel. Billy's teenage years. What are you?

Let's see it for what stage is best. I love when characters at the end of the movie face off against their mirror image on the bad guy's side. So it's like Azeem versus the witch, Friar Tug versus the bishop, Robin versus the sheriff. Like, just great to have that symmetry. We just got to get back to two guys fighting and then becoming homies because they respect each other in the ring. Yeah. So I love like the pole fight on the river and then him just being like, I misjudged you. You can be my leader now.

Yeah. Come over here. Take, I was the man. I have no ego about it. I was thinking about this. I was thinking about this in NBA terms. Does this ever happen? I was the man.

All of these people listened to me. Best man of the woods. You fuck me over with the pole. You got it, Robin. Yeah, right. It's now your entire thing. Fuck my wife if you want to, too. This is what Embed's going to do with Kelly Ubrae soon.

He's going to be like, you're the man. You're the man. It's your team. And then the last one is just, I love a training montage of getting ready for the assault. So, like, yeah. This is. Seven Samurai Magnificson Seven stuff, but as they like sharpen weapons

and learn how to do archery and build all the like traps that they're gonna have, always enjoy that. Them building out their layer in the woods is like really amazing. And having like all the elevators and shit. The whole nine, the technology.

What's age your best for me? Kevin Costner on horseback. Kevin Costner loves himself a horse in a movie. Think about how many movies he's done that are just straight up horse. movies. He likes to ride around. Right. He loves to ride a horse in the movie. And now, riding a horse

is like his entire personality. I feel like he left Yellowstone to ride more horses. Yep. In Horizon. He's like, there's not enough horses in Yellowstone. Got to ride more horses. Kevin Costner on horsemen. He probably looked into C-Giing himself to be a jockey in like a secretary movie. 5-2

Kevin Costa. He's like, can we remake Seabiscuit hanging in that? Robin from the rich, age pretty well. It's what we should all be doing. So if you know, any rich guys out there, I'd like to take some money off of them. That's it for you. What's your best?

Anything else? No, no, no, no, that's it. That's it. That's it. I have one extra one. What? I like the era when people introduce other people as their first name,

then they're from... Oh, yeah. Like, it's like, I'm here with Van from Baton Rouge and Chris from Philadelphia. I fuck with that. Yeah. Robin of Loxley.

I think that needs to come back. Chris of Fairmount. Yeah. Yeah. That needs to come back. Van of Gardier. Like, that's a, I like that. This podcast was produced by Craig from the Bay.

That's how people still, like, send emails to, like, podcast and radio shows. It's always, like, Nick from Memphis. Yeah. Right. That's the last place that exists. Except for Rissilo fans are like, Nick, but I lift this. Nick, one-90. Nick, me, I play like Bruce Brown.

I'm about 5-11 stocky. I like when Robin Hood says, nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions. kind of the principle of the movie you guys didn't watch this movie and like the movies like fill with bars oh yeah the movie is like got some

crazy bars and it's actually from the from a dialogue perspective yeah really well written script some good monologues and there and all kinds of shit I also it's a which age the best than the worst but did I rob you in another life well Scarlett we have brothers robin or laxley

I found myself daring to believe in you and then when Koster goes into that late 80s, Koster? I have a brother! It's funny, it's bad, it's good. There's great lines. Like, when Azeem is like, the hospitality in this country

is as warm as the weather. As warm as the weather. He's like, how did you, how did you Heans ever take Jerusalem? Like, when he's looking at this, some good lines in this movie, man. He's good. The Kid Cuddy Pursuit Happens is the word

for Best Needle Drop. Got to go, Brian, right? Yeah. Yeah, Robin says goodbye to Mary and she's getting on the boat and they put in a little instrumental, Brian. Dude, like the little heart-tuggers. Came and gets the orchestra to fire up some Brian Adams.

Everybody was waiting for it, too. Then she turns back, takes one more long, lusty look at him. Whole saddle, moist. Like, oh, man, I'm still thinking about that waterfall. She's in the rock zone. Chris, did you have Big Kuhna Burger Award? Best Use of Food and Drink material? Fryer Tucks Mead.

Oh, yeah. That's an easy one. Yeah. Denny Thieves Benny Hanna Award, scene, stealing locations. Got to be the waterfall. God, you know what, I gotta say I love the cliffs of Dover. Yeah.

Oh, it's good too. Okay. C.R., what did you have for Great Shot Order Award for most cinematic shot? It's fucking Arrow Vision. What are we talking about here? It's ArrowVit. For a second, I thought it was going to be his resurrection shadow in the Miss scene.

Yeah. But then when the Arrow comes through and the arrows come in, that is a superhero fucking movie star shot. Slow-mo, Cochner, Arrow coming string. out of his blue eyes. That's like a... That's one of the defining action movie scenes of the decade.

I totally agree. Yeah. And also like an awesome, awesome, awesome in the movie theater scene. Right. Whoa. How'd that do that? Because we also had Terminator

a couple weeks later, which was the ultimate, how did they do that movie's in the 90s? But even that arrow thing was like, whoa. It became a talking point. The non-arrow version, Great Shot Gordo I had was...

It's really small, but it's just when he's like, I'm going to cut your heart out with a spoon and they shoot up the tower. And Rob is like, then it begins. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that a lot. Butch's girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film.

I mean, we talked about it, but the Costner, even when Connery comes in at the end and he just sounds like somebody who's going to be from that area of the world, and it just puts a big shining spotlight on Costner, not even making an effort to sound like it. I'm glad he didn't because he's pretty bad at accents for the most part. What was the one he did?

what was the one the Cold War movie when he had the bad Boston accent Was that in 13 days? 13 days Oh yeah about the Cuba whistle crosses Balby and Jack

Really rough Boston accent The JFK accident The JFK accident The New Orleans I don't know if you can speak The New Orleans It's pretty rough Yeah it didn't really hit it

But I mean it's you know He's no Eric Roberts And Heaven's Prisoners He nailed it That's a good look You tell me when you're ready It's not going to be this month because that movie did not make

that movie. That movie is... That movie is... That movie is... That's a Louisiana... That's a fucking... A couple of people in the LeBrock Zone for that movie.

Oh, yeah. That whole movie is the LeBrog Zone. Do we have enough movies... That's one of the horniest movies that's ever been made. Oh, yeah. Do we have enough movies for Louisiana month? Yeah, for sure.

Angel Heart, Heaven's Prisoners. The Big Easy, if you like... Big Easy. That's a great one. Yeah, like, they're... Louisiana Month would go hard. Like, there's some sweaty... good times to be had down here.

What's age the worst? I mean, the rape's pretty rough. It was rough in the early 90s or the near rape of mid-Marion. You just shocked the shit out of me. I'm not going to lie. He splits the legs and it's like, whoa.

For this movie's like PG- It's the end of the movie too. You're like, we're supposed to be a... He's like kind of going for it there for like a minute. They played it comedically. I know. Like that's the thing. I think before, the way that's,

shot, it's shot as if that's supposed to make people laugh. And I think that time it probably did. Because he's still playing it for laughs. Yeah. Trust me. Even in the early 90s, people are like, whoa, hey guys, come on. I think they're trying to make the point that

he's trying to establish his bloodline with her. Like, I get it. But this is not a rated R movie. It's pretty rough. It is for sure. Yeah. I was surprised by that. I had forgotten about that. Costner's hair. I don't know really what's going on of it. Do you think there are extensions?

I think it's kind of going back. I think that's dance as a wolf's hair. Yeah, it was the same haircut. She's kept it? His neck is weird in this movie. He's got a weird neck. It's not like the best looking version of Costner. He's like, look at the neck. The neck is like, you know. I've never noticed it.

Why can watch it? There's a lot of accent reporting about this movie where Costner Wanda 1 and Reynolds didn't and they just kept fighting about it during the movie. That's why it goes in and up. Um Koster has a nude swim stunt double Oh interesting

Yeah One of the all time You can really see it too If you really look closely It's like the ultimate warrior Comes in for two seconds They say it's because You know they didn't want their star

Their movie to get hypothermia Yeah because they said it was so cool You think about what hypothermia does to your Your package Yeah I just think he didn't want to be Stand in front of a bunch of teamsters You know

I just wrote down here and I'm not going to defend it and I don't feel great about it. John's wife could have been a little cuter. She's going to throw that out there. I get it. I get it. We're in 1,100 England.

It's a movie. Can I escape a little bit? A little bit of escape? Wait a second. Not only are we in 1100s, England. They live in the woods. She's had eight. I'm in a fantasy.

Children. But you're like, was LeBrock not available? Where's Helen Mirren? Yeah. She could have eight children. She gave Helen Mirren some bad teeth and we're off. the other Robin Hood is a Wood's Age the Worst.

It gross 23 million. Laura! They should just had him be like evil sleeping with the enemy Robin Hood. That would have been better. Any other Wood's Age of Worst? I got to say this is a giant fucking waste of Christian Slater. Yeah.

And he's super charming. I was wondering when we were going to talk about this. I had this a picking net. He's like, this is not exactly like bad era for him. I mean, this is not that far removed from Heather's, right? Like, we're, we got a pretty charismatic actor. I'd say he's one of the hottest under 25 actors. I was wondering watching it.

I was wondering why he took it. And they have, they have the whole movie he spends being like, you're a liar. Nobody likes you. Even though everybody's like, this guy is the fucking man. Yeah.

And then the very last time he's in the movie, basically, is when he does the fuck me, they cleared it. And that's improv. I was ad-lips by him. and it's very charming and I'm like, why wasn't this guy

just in the whole movie? The shit-talking, like, daredevil Will Scarlet. He had to, he was harboring this, like, soul-crushing secret that it made him maybe the biggest drag

of any movie. He was... It kind of reminds me of when they make Jeremy Runner like under the spell of... In Avengers, where you're like, you got Jeremy Renner

and you got him as a zombie? And the whole time, he was walking, and it's like he's fucking up and it's like oh when is he going to snap out of it is an Avengers a movie I just look at it I saw the confusion

Yeah that's why I only looked at you when I said it And I was like it's a good comparison At the one with Christian Bill At the end of the movie Like he looks like he's having fun I wonder why he took it It seems like because he was already It gets worse when you look

Heather's in 88 Gleaming the cube at 89 I love that fucking movie He's in Young Guns 2 And pump up the volume in 90 I would say Ben's podcasting, pump up the volume. You would say he was like red hot.

Yeah. And then, I don't know. He must have thought, oh, I'll be in this Robin Hood movie. Well, maybe when you think about it, though, when you go look back at those movies, I was of a certain age, so all those movies like meant a lot. But, I mean, Young Guns, too, I'm sure did a huge business. But even in that one, he's like Dave Rudebaw. So he's like third, fourth down the line.

Yeah, yeah. It wasn't until 93 that he's, he does untamed heart and true romance. He probably wanted to kind of step up to another level of filmmaking. I also got to say one of my what's age of the worst worst is life before the Postal Service. Because Robin comes back to England after being in the Crusades and in prison for five years. And that it's like just finds out that his dad's dead. Dad's dead. Castle burned to the ground.

Can't get, can't get a telegram, can't get an email. Get bad Wi-Fi in the castle. Was there a better title for this movie? I don't know if you need Prince of Thieves, but it was pretty good. Prince of Thees was kind of like 90s cool. Like not just Robin Hood, but they might have did that to differentiate it between

the other Robin Hood movie that was coming out. Sure. What about Robin Hood? Marion wants some. Robin Hood. Barry needs it. Best quote. Azeem.

A wise man once said there are no perfect men in the world. Only perfect intentions. There was bars all throughout the The best, the best quote is because it's dull, you twit. It'll hurt more. It's because it's dull. Let's take a break and I'm going to do Stephen A. Smith how to stake.

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I have one, but it's not like particularly Stephen A. I just think that the writing's on the wall for the sheriff when he shivs his own cousin. I just don't think that's a guy you can trust in the locker room. After he kills his own cousin for failing, it kind of like is like, well, who's your muscle now? And I just think that that's where the Nottingham sheriff goes out. But I don't think that's this particularly hot take.

It's just an observation. Solid point. My hottest take was that Azeem should have actually been leading the people. Oh, my God. Yeah. Azeem is definitely like. Azeem was. coming up with the technology.

Yeah. All right. Zim had a telescope. He was the one who figured out how to save the baby. Didn't enough credit. Didn't get enough credit, man. Didn't get enough credit. Mine is, I think Game of Thrones ripped off this entire movie.

This guy. And they were like, what if we just add some supernatural shit to Robin Hood, Prince of the Thieves? It would be awesome. Just make it get super weird. But same kind of premise. Just people walking through forest. just saying weird shit to each other.

Right. Right. The walking through forest piece is important. Yeah. And then like somebody's kidnapped somebody. I think there's a little bit of Tyrion in Rickman's performance. Or vice versa. And the wire is like totally ripping off this Robin Hood. Yeah, David Simon.

It was like my principal inspiration is... He's like, they fuck that Robin Hood. We're going to correct this with Omar. Omar is the biggest hero of that. Yeah. He becomes the central character. Omar's the best Robin Hood ever. Maybe that's my hottest take. Casting whatever. Boy, Ben.

Yeah. Have they, somebody has had to have made that take? You think I created the take? No, no, no, no. Like a Robin Hood that takes place in like the South Side Chicago or in South Baton Rouge. I had, I had that for later. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Casting what ifs, you better sit down even though you're sitting down. Let's do it. Mel Gibson said he was off for the lead, but it just on Hamlet and passed. Hamlet and this pretty much the same thing. Yeah. Robin Wright. was supposed to be made Marion and became pregnant with Sean Pence Child

and bowed out at the very last minute and they replaced her with Mary Elizabeth. One of the great names. Some other names kicked around for... Tony! You want to fuck me, Tony! You want to fuck me!

Just one of the weirdest fucking scenes ever, bro. There was a bunch of people who were engrumored for Maid Marion. The most of the children, was probably Nicole Kidman

but there's also like That's early Nicole Kidman too That would have been a good one Patsy Kensett Yeah Elizabeth Hurley Yeah In the mix

Elizabeth Hurley Yeah She was kicking around at that time As far as acting wise and stuff When did I had one for When is she in Austin Powers Is this like mid 90s right? No no no I mean I know she was

I'm just wondering what I'm trying to think I know she was She was a model I'm trying to think What's the first thing I remember her being it. Richard E. Grant was supposed to be the sheriff but couldn't do it because he was doing Hudson

Hawk. John Cleese was supposed to be King Richard or proposed, but then Sean Connery Cossner pushed for it and he reduced his $1 million fee down and $250,000 donation. I don't know if this is true, but Carrie Elways was offered the role and turned it down, but then ended up doing it in men and tights. I have a hard time believing that Carrie Elways was like, I don't want to be in Robin Hood. Yeah, me too. I said, I don't know if I believe that one.

Although he kind of has played him like in Princess Bride, but still. Did you believe Johnny Depp turned down the role of Will Scarlet? That one didn't pass the smell test for me either. What was Depp doing in the early 90s? I think Depp. I felt like things were happening for him by 91. I don't see it. I'm trying to think where Johnny Depp was.

He would have been better as Will Scarlett. Yeah. So I have for the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinich Cartridge Overacting Award and the Jud Nelson New Jack City Award for somebody's in the wrong movie. Alan Rickman. Yeah. I mean, I think that Rickman may be so far off menu here that we have to add Rickman to the Ruffalo, Hannah Rubenac Partridge. It might need to be Ruffalo, Hannah Rubenac Partridge, nodding him.

I'm happy to Adam. Who'd you have for best that guy? I had Brian Blessed who plays Robin's dad. He's in a ton of stuff. I had Kevin McBride. Okay. Who's Kevin McBride? It's one of those guys.

Okay, well, there you go. Who'd you have for Dan Waiters? The Waders was tough. I had the witch. I have fucking Sean Conry. Oh, yeah, it's definitely Sean Connor. Yeah, I had the witch and I had Sean Carter had, too. The witch is just like...

Yeah, we haven't really talked to witch. Where are you at on the witch? I don't like witches like that. I don't like ugly witches. Yeah? Yeah, they freak me out. Yeah? I didn't like it on Game and Thrones either.

So did you didn't watch the extended cut? Did you read about it at all? Do you know that... It's supposed to be Rickman's mom? Is her daughter? Is his daughter? Yeah. Is her daughter.

Son. Jesus. Christ. Connor is a great Dianwaters. recasting couch. I'm going to throw two at you. Greta Scotchy for Marion. Okay. I always liked her.

Vow Kilmer for Robin Hood. Hmm. I feel like he would have grabbed the accent. I'm just saying he does that instead of the doors. Or maybe he does it right after the doors. And she throws himself into it. You know what's crazy? I think he could have done it.

You know what? He's, this is going to sound so stupid. He's weirdly too handsome. He's like... More handsome than Koster? Yeah. More handsome than Kevin Koster looks in this movie. Val Kilmer's...

He's like so angular model-esque face. He's striking. He's so striking. Yeah, but he would have just gotten so lost in like what accent he wanted to do and like his method of doing it. That's what I would have enjoyed that though. I think that I have a left field pitch here. Let's here.

Which is Hugh Grant, who at this time isn't quite... Hugh Grant. So this is right before he's in four weddings, like a couple years before and remains the day is when like he kind of starts popping out but like if you wanted somebody to be a rich boy prick he would be my number one draft

pick it's just about whether or not he could convincingly be an archer and stuff after the fact. The crazy thing is and if he had to go toe to toe to with Rickman he could kind of do it. The crazy thing is it's a much better movie if he's in it because he's so talented man like Hugh Grant is really talented

but like it's like not a hit. No you're right. Yeah. It needs Costner. Van made the point. That was slow motion arrow. That's 50% of why this movie made 400 million. Let me ask you got something. What was the movie that Kevin Costner like figured out how to be a movie star in?

Because he has this movie star charisma. And he is great looking. I don't mean to say that he wasn't great. But he has this movie star charisma that sometimes lets him just float through a scene. Yeah. The bodyguard. We talked about it. Yeah.

He just like he just, he's a. real movie star. I wonder what the movie was. I think it's Untouchables. Oh, okay. But no way I was before Untouchables, so I don't know, yeah. Yeah, no, I continue being untouchables. Never stop fighting the fight till the fight's

finished. Half Fass internet research. There's a two-diss special edition with 12 minutes of unreleased footage, which you can find on YouTube, which both of you did. Most of the songs the characters sing are actual medieval melodies. apparently the Costner's horse during one scene reared and

pulled his neck up and broke his nose which feels like that should have been a bigger deal I don't know how they fixed it the shot of Robin shooting the arrow was 300 frames per second the normal speed is 24 frames and they tripped they trim the attempted rape scene from the VHS video release in a couple of places including the UK because there were complaints I got one bit for you here

Well, I have the Arsenal Nope While filming in England Kevin Costner became a fan of Arsenal It supports something that is that How about that? I don't know if I believe that But it looked great in Wikipedia

What do you got? This is from Reddit This is from Reddit username WD409 So shout out to that person They just fucking went nuts Quote People like to rag on Kevin Costner's accent In that movie

But as a scholar of medieval history It doesn't bother me at all. Why? Because they wouldn't have spoken with English accents back then anyway. In 12th century England, the nobility, such as Robin of Loxley, we've been speaking Norman French,

while commoners would have spoken Middle English, also known as the language of Chaucer in the Canterbury Tales. Modern audiences can generally read Middle English reasonably well, despite the non-standard spelling, but prior to the capital letters great vowel shift culminating in the 18th century,

it still would have sounded totally unfurably. familiar. In short, it's no big deal that Costner doesn't have an English accent because back then, nobody would have had an English accent. Okay. Incredible research from Chris from Philadelphia. Love that. Chris from Philadelphia. The problem is is Costner still meant to have an accent? That's the thing. If there'd have been one interview. That was not on purpose. Can you imagine the big dick moment if someone would have asked him about the interview and he'd have dropped all of that fucking knowledge right there? I'm just saying, I'm just saying it, I was like, I get it. He was accidentally accurate.

Yeah. He was like he fucked up and it turned out he was fine. So Van Bette and Roos is on board. It is called being wrong right. Sometimes you're wrong, but you don't even know that you're right anyway. Apex Mountain. I only had a couple because I don't think this was Apex Mountain for really anybody. Archery?

Yeah, I have bows and arrows in movies. Bows and arrows in movies. Although you can make an argument for The Hunger Games. She was... There are some good arrows, though. She was, that was her whole thing. You guys, and this is going to sound weird, you guys don't think that you can make an argument

that this is Alan Rickman's. So, Rickman was the other one I had. Yeah, Apex Mountain. Would you go diehard? Or for this? Wait, you don't think this is Costner's Apex Mountain? This period of time? So it's the most commercial movie he ever made.

And it's bookended by his Oscar triumph and arguably his best movie. So I think Dances with Wolves, him winning the Oscars is his Apex Mountain. So I think it already happened. I think that moment happens. with a film like that, like that happens such, that's so rare

that a movie that's driven by one actor in that specific way happens like that for somebody. When you have like a Mel Gibson Braveheart or a dancer was Wolf's situation, that's almost the default your Apex Mountain. Yeah. But so maybe 1991 was his Apex Mountain because he wins all the Oscars that year.

I mean, it's, this becomes his most commercial movie ever made. Yeah. I will say this. It was downhill from this movie. Bodyguard? Can you imagine? Yeah.

This was the, you know, it was down. I mean, Kevin Costner is still a fantastic performance. Don't get me wrong. I'm not dissing to Kevin Costner. But this was the, in the term, this was the peak. And this is the thing, is that we did this whole bit in the beginning about Kevin Reynolds getting locked out of this movie and everything. Kevin Reynolds gets asked by Kevin Costner.

Hey, man, you want to try one more time, you and me? It's dial something up together. And what is it? It's Waterworld. Waterworld. So he has, he wins the Oscars, Robin Hood, and then JFK, and then Bodyguard. And then I think we move into a different phase. Then he kind of comes back with Tinkup and 96.

Oh, Tinkup is great. But you know what? That was the I'm not dead yet movie for him. I'm such a big fan. I love the Postman, and that's an objectively whack movie. Yeah. I love that movie. I kind of like the Postman, too.

I like Wyatt Earp, you know. Yeah. I like Wyatt Earp. But I like Wyatt Earp, so I like this shit that he was putting out. Pickinitz. What? Why did the sheriff... Why Marion?

What was it about Marion? She's King's cousin. She has to get royal blood. Right. It's King's cousin. This is the best avenue for that? What do you mean, Bill? There was nobody else, big extended royal family.

Everybody was at court. Remember, yeah? Remember earlier in the movie he asked her he was like, you should probably move to London? she's because I don't want to do life at court. So most of the other King's relatives were probably living life at court. She was hanging back

because she wanted to give alms to the poor. Okay. And why didn't Will Scarlett tell Robin they were brothers sooner? I have that too. Just bring it up in the first 20 minutes in the movie. Hey, fuck you, man, by the way. What is this?

Jerry Springer? The Moripovic show. When everybody is like, we want to swear to you, this guy, he could have just been like, yeah, man, fuck this guy. Hey, a group of people who I've been living around my whole life. This is the motherfucker. Remember the motherfucker I was telling you about? This is my trauma.

This is the guy I fucking fucked over me. Maybe we don't want him to build the tree houses because he's an asshole and so is his dad, devil worshiper. So why did you wait? And why did you wait and try to do it the sneaky way? I just fucking tell everybody. You're just a dick for like four weeks and then you're like, oh, by the way, we're brothers. And also the

worst kind of dick where it's like people were trying to make a plan, try to figure some shit out. And he's just like, you're a liar. This won't work. You're like, Fuck off, man. Maybe he's the weak link in the movie. Trying to talk to his girl, trying to give her a rose. Get out of here, Will Scarlett.

You just trying to hit. You know that's Robin's girl. Yeah, but you're trying to hate on me because of some shit I had nothing to do it. What else do you have for picking it? Is it's? Is it's my imagination or does Zizim say at one point in the beginning and beginning in the film

when they first get to England, and he's like, you must want to go back and see your family. And he's like, it's because I love my family so much that I have to fulfill my, my, like, promise to you. It's good. And then, like, 10 minutes later, he's like, I have no family to return to.

I have no family to return to. So Azeem's playing two hands there. I don't know what's going on. What if Azeem is Robin's other brother? What if Sir Loxley, Lord Loxley, took a trip to the Moorslands, like, way back in the day? What if is his other brother? Azeem's like, I'd like to play with Kauai Leonard and Paul George and Russell Westbrook. I need to leave.

What would you have? I had one pick and knit. Yeah. And it was something that just jumped up in my family. So, like, remember when they're fighting on the thing and Robin tells him to, like, put your feet down? Yeah. You can stand up?

You've been living there your whole life. You don't know how deep the fucking river is. You can't swim? You don't know how to swim. You never swim. It's your forest. Why is this motherfucker-tun-turning? I guess nobody ever gets far enough to knock him into the water.

I guess not because he's the man, but I just thought that's kind of stupid that he would tell you about the lake in your backyard. Yeah, you know the entire land. Yeah, you don't know. No internet. You know what else to do all day. than just figure shit up um does freeman kind of disappeared during this movie after the how long it's basically like 40 minutes after he gives helps the baby it's a borderline picking it means the second billing of the movie third billing of the movie yeah sequel prequel prestige tv all black cast are

untouchable go ahead man yo i don't know i i can think of all the other ones There's G, which is the black remake of the Great Gatsby, hip-hop Great Gatsby. Yeah. There's been a lot of ones. Like a Robin Hood? There's never been a Robin in the hood. I can't robin in the hood. I can't think of one.

You could actually have like a real sheriff. It could be the sheriff of Nottingham County or some shit like that, which is basically is now. You could actually have like a real sheriff. It could be robin against crooked police. And the whole nine, Robin went to the war. He comes back to the war. The whole hood is...

That seems like they would have done that before. You know? I feel like it's a theme that's been in different movies where somebody steals from the bad guys to make the bad guys even matter. You know what I mean? There's a whole situation. But nobody's ever like...

Done it. It seems like... Well, Omar did it. I guess maybe... Antoine Fuku would have had that one. Like, Fook's messed up. Well, doesn't Denzel? Which equalizer? He kind of does that.

He's protecting people, but he's not doling out money. In the first equalizer... Yeah. He's, like, protecting. the rest. No, it's the third equal, second equalizer. Second equalizer, I thought he's given out. Does he steal though? No, he does steal. No, first equalizer, he does steal.

He's protecting, and he protects like the Yeah. The Mexican restaurant. And he gives, and remember he gives the drug money away to the people when they're leaving? Right, right. He takes over the drug house. Yeah, so I guess it's kind of like that. My sequel prequel is my desire to see the famous

spec script that got written like 15 years ago called Notting him. That was supposed to be the story of Robin Hood from the sheriff's perspective. And it was supposed to make the sheriff the hero. And this is the movie that Ridley Scott... And Robin Hood's like a prick?

Yeah. And this is the movie that Ridley Scott was supposed to make. And instead he decided to change it into a Robin Hood movie. Why? Because he wanted more archery, apparently, among other things. But that movie would be so fucking amazing to see... I like when they do

crazy shit like that. There's a Marion kind of like soft-core porn. they could have made it on Netflix I'm just trying now it's funny it'll be funny like the Emanuel series but with Marion

bro so funny because you know how that seems different that's in the Marion softcore 11 p.m. Yeah like she takes her shit off right then and she's like I'm gonna swim with Robin

yeah the whole nine and then everyone leaves them alone everybody else then there's some waterfall but then you have Marians it's going back and forth Robin Hood Throbbing hood coming next week at Netflix That probably exists

Yeah, Throbbing hood probably exists Cragg's like it probably exists Probably, no idea You never saw it before It's not like Sherwood Forest isn't one of your porn hub search terms Marion Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins Danny Trao, Catherine Hans, Steve Buscemi

Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh or Philip Baker Hall. This is actually, I'm not ducking, Wayne, I'm just saying Sam Jackson as Azeem is absolutely fucking incredible. Him just being,

it's a looking glass, motherfucker! I was also thinking he could have played Azeeb's brother who comes in in the last 20 minutes. Remember when Sam would just come

into movies for like a half hour? It's my long lost brother. Just help out of nowhere, like they're down and all of a sudden there's another painted man. Yeah.

And Zazem's like, that's my brother. Yeah. I'm like the same Jackson should have been in this just one Oscar who gets it Alan Rickman yeah probably in answerable questions Chris was

you think this is around the same time in Game of Thrones 1100s was Game of Thrones earlier I think it's like Yeah dragons come in later than When do the dragons like become a thing Yeah Game of Thrones is not on earth No game of Thrones is 1100

It's like a It's a running bit Right. Oh, I'll see. I see, I see. I see. I asked this jokingly to Mallory once. And she almost had like an angerism. Because I straight faced it. I'm like, what was it? Like 1100s? And she was just like, oh, and then I had, why can't we go back to identifying ourselves as our first name in the name? Any other in answerables? Are we to understand that no one in this, in England at this time has seen an explosion before?

So like when Azim blows up, those barrels. because if it is the first time I saw something explode I would need a minute. You know what I mean? I would just be like, what's that? Yeah. That's like an underlying theme of the movie.

Yeah. That they look at Azeem as the barbarian. But he's like scientifically way more advanced than that. They've never seen like a fucking telescope and they don't know how to deliver babies and they don't know how to do all of that shit. I forgot to put it in one stage the best. I love when people get propelled and old...

Catapults. Yeah, those old movies. movies like that when they send Freeman and Costner over the wall. Yeah. Just the way they do it. It's cool. I can watch that on there. I wish the movie have more shit like that.

Yeah. Like old school special effects shit. Because to be honest with you, for a movie that's based in like swash buckling, there's not a lot of swash. Right. There's not a ton of sorting. Like in this. Not a lot of it. What piece of memorability would you want from this movie?

The fire arrow that they used in the trailer, I think if it was like the game, the film used fire arrow. This was it. This was the era with the quiver. I would go with the pagan cult mask. Oh yeah. Rock in the beginning that they all have on in the beginning. There could also be like one of the necklaces or pieces of jewelry would be. You know what?

I like. I like Azeem's fucking sword, man. That big, huge the scimitar. Yeah. Simitar that he has. It's a good one. The King Richard sword would be good too, that he gets back. Yeah. He's talking about his dad's sword. Yeah. Andy Red Zawatine Award

What happened the next day? So Azeem just goes back Like he's It's a rap for him He's like thanks everybody Yeah I'm gonna go find my family I don't have a family

Just gonna start the quick four months journey Back to I think Azeem stays man You think he does? Yeah he thinks he loves pulp culture He's like I'm the smartest person here I'm gonna stay I think it's a bunch of light skin motherfuckers

Right now Running around It's like Azeem's kids and forebears And Craig David Guys like that I think Azeem's stay, man.

Okay. The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson, Rehears before you do a movie is a good one. Might go to that. Choose an accent. Yeah. Give yourself a couple weeks. Commit.

Commit, Kevin. Who won the movie? Rickman. Rickman won. I don't think we would do this movie if it was a replacement-level villain. I think Rickman makes this movie pretty. I think you're right. I had Rickman as well.

Did we have Rickman win die-hard? We gave that one to Willis. I don't remember. Bruce is a lot of it. We die-harded rather early. in the run. Maybe we'll have to do it again at some point. Craig, what do you think?

This movie's older than you. Yeah. And I would have never put this movie on had I not been forced to by you three. Not a big Robin Hood guy? To be honest, I just kind of think the story of Robin Hood and Robin Hood as a character is kind of just like corny as hell.

I think it's just kind of lame. You know what, man? I got to say, for the last couple of months, really, you've been a really good sport. And you're like, you know what I love for you guys? And I love just movies where people are talking. And you just brought it back.

It's great. With that said, look, the first, like, I agree. First 20, 30 minutes kind of feels like a middle school English class substitute teacher movie where they're putting this on. Yeah. All right, we'll get through it. But I don't disagree by the end. I'm like, all right, I'm kind of in.

I actually enjoyed this movie. It's too long. But I have to preface this by saying I've never seen the Mel Brooks one. Oh, it's great. It's really funny. But I was like, this movie should have just been a comedy. I think Costner's and Robin Hood is the least interesting part of this movie. Like everything else in this movie, I actually think is really good.

Do you think if I say Robin Hood to you, do you think of the investment app or Robin Hood as the character? I was just about to ask that. Investment app. We should have put that in the what's age is the worst, the Robin Hood Investment app. Because you know what? I actually think, and it's weird, I think that there are certain pop culture things from my kid, from my childhood, that have expired. Like Paul Bunyan has expired. that was still a big deal when I was a kid

like he Papa has expired I think Robin Hood like has expired I think it I don't know if it has the relevance in you I know they've tried to make other movies I was even thinking about this the other day because I saw like briefly like it was I was in a movie I was watching or something

but like I was like does anybody know who the Flintstones are anymore they might have expired bro they might have expired like that was old for us when we were kids when we were kids that stuff was still old I think some of that stuff has like you think Ben knows who Fred

Flintstone is? Not a chance. I think there's a lot of the... Do you think Ben knows who Joe Biden is? If you said, Ben, here are these two pictures. One of these guys is named Joe Biden, and one is named Fred Flintstone, you pick. He would ask if either of them was in the UFC. Yeah, right.

Is that like a light heavy way in the UFC? He definitely doesn't know who Joe Biden is. That's an interesting idea of things that just expire. Yeah, because when I was thinking of... Does Bill Cosby mean anything anymore? I mean, now. Just because of the crimes, though. But people might, like, I watched

Cosby Show growing up. Okay. But, like, when I was a kid, I just remember my dad was talking about, my mom were talking about things that were inspiring, but they were bringing all these old shows back, fucking Gidgett, uh, leave it to be,

leave it to be all of that stuff. And then, you know, the stuff just goes away. Robin Hood was still a thing. They were still doing it, but I think it's gone, man. The Jefferson's, I think, have expired. Probably. Hopefully not. You know what the Jeffersons are?

I do, but I never watched it. Like, Gilligan's Island expired. It's in danger. Brady Bunch, Gilgan's Island, expired. All that stuff is expired, man. Well, that's good for the podcast. Yeah. How about this?

How about the New York Yankees? Oh. They still a thing or now? Well done. Well done. Wait, we bring it back to you. We'd bring it back, Bill of Boston. So, Costner kind of like screwing up in this role,

and like the accent didn't work, and it was just wrong. Do you think there's any chance that this happens to Shalameh and Wonka? Oh. That's a good question. I think it would actually have been more... Is he too young? The more probably accurate parallel would have been Dune. And if he'd somehow, like, completely fucked Dune up

and been, like, all over the place while somebody else is like... He actually nailed it. He brought it in Dune. Yeah. Yeah, I liked him in Dune. Yeah. Van, pleasure to see you. Chris, always a pleasure.

Thanks, Bill. This podcast was Bruce. by Craig Horlebeck, Craig of the Bay. We'll see you next week on, wait, how much did this movie make? Month.