The Rewatchables - ‘RoboCop’ (1987) With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Dead or alive, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt revisit Paul Verhoeven’s 1987 sci-fi classic ‘RoboCop’—starring Peter Weller, Nancy Allen, and Kurtwood Smith. Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Ronak Nair Free eBooks library. It’s on Prime. This episode is sponsored by State Farm®️. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.®️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Robocop. Yes. There's a new guy in town and he's next. He died a hero. Target? And was reborn as Robocop. A one man police force with the strength of an army. The speed of a laser, the brain of a computer and a body made of steel. Looking for me. Robocop, Redid R. Starts Friday, July 17th at a theater near you.

This episode of the rewatchables is presented by Prime. You listen to this podcast for the movie talk. So let's set the scene. Our lead, tall, dark, stranded at the airport. Hours of delays. He's scrolled, strolled, and loitered by every overpriced snack stand, but just when all hope seems lost. Plot twist.

He remembers he has Prime. And we thought a whole library of free e-books ready to read right from his device. Cue the Tramp and score. Roll credits. Free e-books library. It's on Prime. All right, Kyle Brandt, you push for this. Why?

Well, we had this great conversation going into it, Bill, where I'm texting Bill and I say, Robocop? And Bill responds, we have never done Robocop. And I said, I'll buy that for a dump. We're up and fucking running. I couldn't believe it hadn't been done. It's one of these. There's still gold in these rewatchables hills.

We found it. I'm thrilled to be doing it. I like Robocop Bill because there's cool shooting and violence and funny lines. I love Robocop because it should be a B movie and it refuses to be. It decided to be an A movie. It doesn't have to be half as interesting as it is. It could have just been, we're Toomey Terminator. We got a robot who shoots people.

people and it's violence and we'll take your five bucks. This movie decided it has something to say. It has things to educate us on. And a lot of it is because of our guy, blood-stained horn dog, Dutch Paul Verhoeven, our guy, corneous man in Hollywood at this era. And he just composed a masterpiece here. I love this movie. That would have been a great list for movies that just should have been a B and wouldn't accept the grade. Yeah. And we're like, we're going to be an A minus here. Or we might even be an A. Because, you know, there's some other good ones from the earlier 80s that are like that, I guess. Like, Escape from New York's a good example. They were really trying, but at the same time, that's a B movie and they just kind of elevate it beyond. This one, this movie's really saying

something. And then as the years pass, it becomes even more poignant because it's basically like corporations are going to take over everything. Detroit is going to go bankrupt, would basically collapse, which it does in 2013. And then it's just really stylish and it moves. Craig, producer Craig was saying how, when we sent it to him that it was like 102 minutes start to finish. They make this movie now. It's probably, what, 145 minutes?

Oh, yeah. Well, if Marvel does it in the comic thing, it's three hours and 20 with an intermission and some bonus shit scene after the credits, all that. This doesn't have an ounce of fat on it. It's short. Well, don't you think that this? this would now be a Marvel movie?

I mean, that's the other thing is, like, they would have, they would have seen this as some sort of franchise, which it weirdly became, but I don't think they intended it to be a franchise when they made it, right? No, and even more so than we think, the Marvel made a Robocop comic book after this. When they were merchandising it, and it was on lunchboxes and thermoses and cartoons and video games,

and it was everywhere. There actually was a comic book, even in the 80s that Marvel took over. So now it would be six different movies, and they would do everything with it, But the fact that Verhoven took this thing and made it lean and mean and was like, you know, Bill, like, there's Jesus motifs here. There's thoughts about AI ahead of its time. And yet, it's not all preachy because just when they get into that, they'll give you a scene where Robocop shoots somebody's dick off and you just laugh out loud.

It does it all. Well, it has those news breaks, too, to always lighten it up. And, you know, this is really, I don't know what you think the peak year was for villains over laughing as they're evil. but it's somewhere in the 80s. The Death Wish movies were doing it too, but these three, four people would get together. Downtown wherever is just in complete disarray. They have guns.

They're just blowing stuff up. They're laughing their asses off. Like, it's the funniest thing ever. I don't know when this ended and I don't know why I can't come back. One of the details, too, that it's in this movie. It's in a lot of those movies you're talking about is that they're just casually no big deal doing drugs for the whole movie. Like, in this movie, they keep snorting these things.

And they never even address what it is or what. what it does. But just between dialogue, they'll just, Clarence Bodickl, just get a quick double nostril blast, and then he's off and running. But it's not even addressed. And it's just, it's so fun, man. You mentioned like that, I try to imagine, I didn't get to see this movie in the theater. Thank God, because I was eight years old. But if you're, did you see in the theater? I did. All right. So when you're sitting down in the theater and you're like, all right, the robocop movie, cheesy name, let's see some guns. And the first scene out of the opening is the satirical news desk and then a fake commercial like, what

the hell? Did I walk into the wrong movie? What is this? They're playing the wrong real. It's really cool though. It felt it's weird. When it came out, it felt like it got lost in that whole like Stallone Schwarzenegger Vortex were in where all these movies are coming out left and right and COBRA and Running Man and Predator.

And it's just like, it's just an onslaught, right? So this is like all right, what's this? This feels like a movie Stallone or Schwarzenegger could have been. And then you see it and it's really stylish and well done. We didn't know a lot about Verhoven back then. He had just, like, made his first America movie two years before we did Flesh and Blood. We just had some pretty racy nude scenes, which were a big deal on cable in the mid-80s.

But I can't say I had high expectations. This was a classic. You just went to the movies every weekend. Hey, people are saying Robocop's pretty good. I think the thing that shocked me was how good the reviews were in the moment and then after the fact. Like, this is now considered one of the best kind of science fiction. futuristic action movies ever made, which I don't think anyone was thinking in 1987. No, small budget, unproven director, no major movie star, unproven villain, like all these

technical aspects that they were going to pull off. And to your point, the fish are jumping into the boat in 1987. Like, we're not, it's so much muscle, so much machine gun. I bet all the critics sat down for this, ready to hate it. Because, you know, you get into it a lot and a lot people making the movie, they're like, we can't call the movie Robocop. It sounds horrible. It's so, cheesy. And I think you sit down for Robocop and just expect schlocks, shoot them up, idiocy, because that's what was running the day. But then you're like, right out of the gates, we're satirizing cable news before cable news and politics. And it's just the IQ is so high. And yet still, the firepower is just so pleasing. And it feels relatively realistic, even though

it's insane as a movie. But every single thing they're doing it, and I'm like, eh, maybe. Like, maybe corporations would buy out the police force as like a business move and then put in robots that would police 24-7. Like, it's not inconceivable in 1987. Could this be where we're going? I don't know. Well, even just as employees, do we really think Bezos is not going to have Ed 209 stocking shelves, like, in the next 20 minutes? It's all sitting right there. There's that scene where they first take Robocop to the shooting range.

And it's like, it's pulled out of 2020. They're like, it's not a cop, it's a robot. And the guy literally says, he's going to take all our jobs. And it's everything we're hearing now. It's AI at the shooting range and people really afraid of it. But they made this thing in 86. It's so cool. It's so well.

And then you think Rocky 4 is when Rocky gets the robot for Polly. Yeah. So this is peak robots might be in our life, but we were 40 years early. But now, I don't know, they must have this in New York. They have it in L.A. were these little robots that deliver stuff. Sure. Right?

They have robot Waymos, basically, those robot Uber's. Yes. So this stuff's now in our lives, but I think it took a lot longer than maybe the 1980s was anticipating. Well, we were expecting hoverboards, but instead, when I go to stop and shop, there's this idiot robot in aisle 6 asking me if I want to scan anything, just getting in the way of my cart. I hate it. I don't like that stuff.

I don't like those self-driven cars. They freak me out. I'm not riding in it. I don't like any of that stuff. I'm not a chance. Apparently a good place to have sex. Is that right? Yeah.

I mean, you lose your Waymo privileges, but for one time, it's a hell of a ride. It's an F. Shack just said, there's no driver. Why the hell not? Yeah, it was a big thing for a while. Unfortunately,

for the people in the car having sex, they're being videotaped the entire time. So, you know, buyer beware. Well, taxi cab confessionals previewed that. You know, that's 25 years ago as well. That's great. I got to try that.

I just ask the wife. So, Neumeyer, one of the people that wrote this movie. After 2013 when Detroit went bankrupt and it was supposedly the most dangerous place to the United States and Newmire said, we're now living in the world that I was proposing in Robocop, how big corporations will take care of us

and how they won't. It's a mild, have a glass to settle down juice for him, but also like, eh, he should maybe take a victory lap. I don't know. Some weird shits happen since 1987. Yeah. I mean, listen, the crash was coming when they wrote this, all this labor versus management, privatization and Dick Jones's good business is where you find it. It's all very, very current.

This should be like, you know, people go back and watch idiocracy now and they say that that's age really well. I would say if I'm a Gen Zier, watch Robocop. If you don't like the violence or whatever, watch it for the politics. Like, they saw this stuff coming in the 80s and they saw AI and they saw privatization and government. I mean, it's right in the middle of the Reagan era. It's so politically reflective that you can watch this movie 20 years from now, and the special effects will look bad, but who cares? The movie works. Yeah, and in the moment they were talking about how it was like a repudiation of Reaganomics

and trickle down, all that stuff. It was right as people were starting to turn against it and then when the crash happened. But this is a really interesting time for movies because on the one hand, you know, in 1987 was a murderous row of movies. I mean, it's one of the best rewatched those movies years we've ever had. You have Gordon Gecko on the one side where it's like greed is good. And this is like a whole motif that's all over the place of movies. Secret of my success.

Like I need to go. I need to make as much money as possible. How do I make money right away? And then on the other hand, you have movies like Robocop that are like, this is going to go badly. Like just be careful what you wish for everybody. And I don't know.

I don't think anyone in the moment ever thought that this would be considered one of the smart movies of the 80s. But I think it is. Because working girl comes out comes out in 872, and we did that on rewatchables last month. But same kind of thing. Like some of the stuff it's trying to do with females in the workplace. It's like really ahead of its time. And this one was too.

Surprisingly, refreshingly progressive, talking about the females in the workplace. There's a note where they call all the guys who kill Murphy, they refer to them in the producers. They refer to it as the gang. And the exact producer was, I want this gang to be diverse. And I'm not saying I don't want it to be all white guys. I don't want it to all be people of color. I don't want to make a racist movie. And this is like, this is 1986 when they're shooting this.

There weren't a lot of people saying that. But you look at how that gang is casted and it looks like 2025. It's, it's really interesting. And I really respect what they were doing. Because again, just make a shoot-em-up movie with blood and guts and a robotic cop. And we're going to give you our five bucks. They didn't have to do that shit. They could have been a B-movie.

And they refused to be. It's awesome. Another thing with this movie, just an all-time great premise. 24-7 robocops. Could it work? Mm-hmm. They have three directives. Serve the public trust, protect the innocent, uphold the law.

But directive four is classified. Mystery. That's right. I wonder what it is. And then we find out later. So, 1987, Detroit. Mm-hmm. Because you feel like this is maybe a bad movie for Detroit.

Or you could say, that's actually pretty good. Detroit, even though they filmed this movie in Dallas, which I found out of research. Oh, well. 1987 Detroit has. Robocop, Beverly Hills Cop 2, because it starts out there. The 1987 Pistons take Larry Bird and the Celtics to Game 7. It seems like they're going to win the title. First important Pistons basketball moment ever.

They got next. The Tigers who won the title three years earlier, they won 98 games, almost made the World Series again. Red Wings made the conference finals for the first time in six years. Anita Baker's Rapture, huge. And then the Fab 5, Jalen Rose and Sea Webb. playing together. AAU, like the Fab Five is forming. I'll just go early. Apex Mountain for Detroit. I think this is it. It's tough to be until until the Jared Gough Lions win a Super Bowl, which I don't know if that's happening. 87 was a hell of the time. And listen, the best high school

football player in Detroit at that time, Jerome Bettis, that was 87. He was killing it, about to go to Notre Dame, not Michigan. They lost them. But like 87 Detroit was cooking. Like young, young, Gary Schaer. Do we have young Eminem there? two? Well, he's definitely alive. I don't know if he's like drawn wraps on the chalk on the sidewalk. Let's throw them in. Let's help my case. Come on in, buddy. Come on in, Eminem. But great times all around. With Sanders, he wasn't on the Lions yet, though. No, Sanders was 89 draft. So he was at Oklahoma State. He's coming. Well, they got their eyes on him. The Lions are being bad and paving their way for Bears Sanders. Anyway, great time for Detroit. And then Verhoeven. So big Dutch filmmaker in the 70s.

Did multiple Rucker-Hauer movies overseas? Dutch. Have we done a movie with Rucker Hauer yet? Have you done Blade Runner? I don't think we have. Yeah, I don't think so either. I can't think of a Rucker Hauer movie. Well, the one that we would do is Nighthawks if we wanted to go.

Stallone, Billy D. Williams, Stallone trying to kind of zag, trying to zag away from Rocky. I don't know how you feel about Nighthawks. I'm in the Nighthawks. I'm in the Lady Hawk as well. Like all that stuff. So Howard, he was basically like Dutch Robert Redford, even though he was German, whatever, but he was in all these different movies that Verhoeven did.

So he begs out Robocop, Total Recall, and Basic Instinct in a six-year run. Those are three movies in a row that he made that we have now all done in the rewatchables. Little horny, apparently an complete asshole on the set. Didn't really understand how American film sets worked and just yelled at everybody until people rebelled. and then after basic instinct, an all-time classic, created a historical epic based around the crusades

that would have starred Arnold Schwarzenegger. It went into pre-production in 1993, and then our guys from Carol Co. pulled funding from the project because they were going to backup. We're back. Yet another podcast with Carol Co. The voters are back in town.

Their bankruptcy cost us, and Arnold Schwarzenegger, Paul Verho Troven Crusades movie. Yeah. See, I bet the Carol Co. Financiergeers, there was a scene in the Crusades movie where one of the women was topless and had three breasts and they couldn't afford it for the budget. So they're like, I'm sorry, Paul. You can't bring her back. She's still goaded, but we just can't afford it. That blew up the whole project. Well, he got pissed and ends up ripping off showgirls. So a year later, Starship Troopers and Hollow Man. And then it kind of ends for him.

But he's got like a nice 15-year run there of movies I would watch on cable. Starship Troopers. What's your relationship with that one? Love Starship Troopers. Love Johnny Rico. Hilarious football scene. Co-edged shower scene. A lot to liken that. Neil Patrick Harris with a machine gun. Bill, when the call comes in for Starship Troopers, full disclosure here, when I was a freshman on the college and the football team, the seniors all nicknamed me Johnny Rico after Casper Van D. Save it for the Starship Troopers podcast.

I mentioned 87 as one of the great rewinds. watchable's years. And we've done a few of these. The number of movie that year by in in year releases was three men and a baby? Directed by Leonard Nimoy, inexplicably. Yes, Spock directed that movie. Everything about that movie is inexplicable. I don't even know what would happen if that guy, like could that even be an Amazon scripted show now, three men and a baby? Such a weird premise. You're talking about three, I don't know, like losers who all live together, who are 40 years old, have a baby. And inexplicably, in the middle of the movie, there's a cocaine plot line that I'm not even sure why it's there.

And then Spock directed it. There's a ghost kid in the background. There's all kinds of shit going on with that movie. Yeah, I mean, you didn't hit the key premise hard enough that these three dudes who were like 38, 41 and 43, I'll just live together. And we're all single. And just this baby shows up. Anyway, that was our number one movie. Fatal Attraction, Beverly Hills Cop 2, Good Morning, Vietnam.

Moonstruck is our top five. untouchables secret of my success stakeout lethal weapon dirty dancing predator bangers Jesus drag net labamba robocop outrageous fortune broadcast news living daylights Eddie Murphy raw

planes trains and automobiles full metal jacket Wall Street mannequin Roxanne blind eight the running man space balls summer school you must have love summer school who did Mark Harmon Mr. Schoep hell yes

no way out we've done that one the lost boys can't buy me love Princess Bride, Baby Boom, Tin Man, Black Widow. That's just our top 50, and that's where you get into Raising Arizona and Big Easy and Angel Heart. And over the top came out that year, less than zero. Just like someone to watch over me, we've done, Jesus Christ, Kyle Brand. You mentioned over the top as like 30th billion on that. And it's not even above the fold.

More good movies than one year than we've had in the last 25 years. I love you, Sean Fennacy. I'm sorry. That was an incredible list that Bill just rattled off. rewatchable movies too like movies that could just be on cable all the time so kudos to 1987 kudos to this movie with i'm going to call it a that guy tsunami let's go let's get into it it's so good i got a bunch of them there's there's that guys who stopped being that guys ronald cox became ronnie cox yeah kurtwood smith became kurtwood smith i don't know if miguel ferre

became Miguel Ferre or he just became that guy who I knew from this movie and five other movies. I know him as Miguel Ferre but I don't know him as Miguel Ferre passed away but I think of him

he's in some stuff he's great actor he's the Robocop guy for me. So he is Bob Morton in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Who has the cocaine threesome

when he's storing cocaine off the cleavage which was a mid-80 staple. Kurtwood Smith is in this and then two years later three years later the dad and dead poet society.

I'm just, let's do this now. Who's a bigger villain? Because he plays in this movie, he plays Clarence Boddicker. Yeah. And then he plays Neil's dad in Dead Poets Society who drives Neil to offing himself

and finds his body in the office. He says, Neil! Neil! My boy! My boy! It's a terrible. Neil!

I hate that guy so much. I hate that guy more than Clarence Boddiker. All right. This is a first-round knockout. Clarence Boddicker is the drug-addicted psycho asshole who torture murders a cop. And Neil's dad is 50 times worse. Yeah, thank you. Drives his kid to suicide because he doesn't want him to be in the goddamn play,

even though he shows talent. And people say that Kurtwin-Smith is like the nicest, most generous person. I never watched that 70s show. I know he's massive in that. But they're like, he could not be a nicer guy to work with. What a great actor. Drove Neil to his death. Terrible.

And then Ronnie Cox, who was Bogumill and Beverly's Cop One and two. He's in Beverly Hills cop too in 1997 as he finally gets to play a bad guy. He plays a bad guy for Verhoeven and this and then a total recall. Yeah. And loves being the bad guy and is great at the bad

guy. But then we have that red-headed guy from ER. Yeah. He eventually he's walking with a cane in ER a million years later. You know that guy. He plays your guy a meal in this. A meal. Yes. Who ends up dying and talks to

toxic waste. I can't wait to talk about that scene. Amil also had a one-season run as, I think he was Jack Bauer's brother in 24. I love that guy. I don't know his name, but he's Amil, and he's also a great actor. What are you a college boy?

He's always up to stuff. Nancy Allen is the female cop in this. So has this, she's married to Brian Thalma. She's in Dress to Kill. She's in Blowout. She earlier on was in Carrie. Has this whole run. kind of where it's about to end for her.

And Verhoeven, because he wanted this movie to be as as as sexual as possible, told her to gain weight, which she did by a dot, not smoking anymore, and then just kept giving her a haircut until they gave her the one she liked. And they basically, like,

they cagney and laced her, just full-fledged, and there's no sexual attention at all. We have to stop the clock. I had it. When does Lewis's hair first come up in the pod? I knew this was going to be a point of conversation. It's an important conversation. If you had the under, I think you won. Kept making her cut her hair like five times to desexualize her. And my take on it, I think it's awesome. It's a total zag. Why have some, like, I don't know, some sex pot in the female lead instead

of a person who actually looks like a cop. Like a Sharon Stone. She's sitting right there. She was coming. They were all coming. He's horny as hell. And despite that, he's like, no, let's have the cop be a badass female cop. They weren't doing that back then. They just weren't. You choose some Baywatch-looking girl, and she goes and she's hot and they have a sexual tension, not at all. Lewis is a cool character. I like her. Well, he had some vision for the future that was basically asexual because that locker room

scene that's near the beginning is important, the police locker room. And just we see guys' asses. All of a sudden, there's a naked lady. They're all together. Quick rest. And nothing is sexual at all. No. And he ran that back to Starship Troopers.

He likes the co-ed showers. I don't know if, like sometimes I go to a restaurant now, especially in New York. More than ever, when you go back to the bathrooms, there's not men's and women's. There's just bathrooms, and everybody waits. I did it last night. Verhoven was all over that, but there's not a men's and women's room.

That where I went last night. You just wait with everybody. There's one place in Boston where it's a giant bathroom. And there's just different stalls, but it's men and women and then the common sink. And it's, you know, you come out of your, no, no, it's the Quinn, this place in Boston. Oh, the Quinn.

Yeah. You come out of one and you could be like, you could have been talking to somebody like, in the bar and she's coming out of the other stall after you're sort of them blowing it up like that's you know i don't know and she comes out she's got toilet paper on her foot and she just blew up that thing and you're like oh no what's that over there you run out my my dad called he's getting surgery tomorrow um and then uh peter weller who just kind of became robocop i don't even know what else you would know him from uh i had this conversation ready um i have never seen a peter weller film

that is not Robocop. And he's done a lot. He also is in a season of 24, but I am a one character guy for Peter Well. I'll do respect to Peter Wilde. Like theater actor, very conscious this guy. I don't have it, Bill. I'm sorry.

I don't know the other stuff. Well, there's some great stuff we have coming up for him later about some of his choices he made on the set in this movie that I can't want to talk about. 13.4 million budget made $53 million. Two sequels. Then the remake in 2014 with Joel Kinneman. and Abby Cornish. What's your relationship with that movie?

No relationship. My relationship is when you scan the cast, holy shit they spent money. Michael Keaton's in that movie. Sam Jackson's in it. Gary Oldman just picking up a check as the scientist. They're like, we went cheap on Robocop. So give us all the big money guys.

And still, you know what they did? They rated it fucking PG-13. Get out of here with that. Get out of here. Give me an R. My shade just fell. I saw it. It was like, God, looked down on you.

Look at that. That was dramatic, Phil. I'm going to fix it when we go to break. The Roger Ebert, three stars. Most thriller and special effects movies come right off the assembly line. You can call out every development in advance and usually be right. Robocop is a thriller with a difference. Raj.

I got to be honest. Could have gone three and a half stars there, Raj. I could have thrown in the half star for how ahead of the time this movie was. But whatever. Yeah, when we get to like what's age is the worst, I'm looking to you, bud. I don't have a ton of what's age is the worst. I've got a lot of what you're going to carry the day on that one? Yeah, we're going to take a break.

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Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. All right. First category. most rewatchable scene. Murphy, listen, this probably isn't even in the running, but I love when Murphy shows up for his first day. I love the 80s police stations. We've talked about this before. They're action-packed. Shit's going down. Wise cracks left and right. Bad guys just wander in and get beaten up. I like anytime a cop says to another cop, welcome to hell. Feels like a staple. Nancy Allen gets to kick someone's ass. I don't know. I just enjoy those police.

station scenes. There's always perps being pushed through across camera. One of them always fights one of the cops. And then you have the really grumpy ranking officer who's tired of this shit. Always the same thing. And the shirt that Murphy walks in with is so 1987. I almost thought about picking it for the most of 1987 thing. Silk top button patterned. That scene is really fun to watch. I don't know. I don't think police stations move that way anymore. It's probably like way harder to get into. There's probably all these checks and balances. But back then, it just felt like anybody could just wander in and take a swing in a cop. Anytime you want. And I also don't think the cops brought the perps in or just like book them and throw them against a desk and then walk out.

Like they always do that in TV shows, but I think it's probably really rigorous. Yeah, my favorite movie ever, 48 hours. There's a whole after all the cops get wasted in the hotel and Kates goes back to the station and he's just wandering around. He's barking at people. He's getting yelled at by his boss and he's trying he's looking at henry wong's photo and he's just it's just moving in this way that i just don't think they do it's always three it's always murphy my office now it's just simple commands it's that's the whole vibe god i love that shit uh next scene is uh are we calling it ed 209 or ed 209 ed 209 yeah when do you think they moved it from ed to ed i think it was just sitting there and i think it was just sitting there and i think it was

right they had a lot of problems with that 209 as we know but uh i think it was late in production a lot old detroit has a cancer uh this demo of of head 209 big loser mr kinney who wants who wants to volunteer there's 20 people at the table mr kinney's like i'm going to get some browning points for this one i'd love to volunteer um this is uh the 20 seconds when they realize that it's malfunctioning. And you have 15 seconds to comply. You are in direct violation of C. Cil code 113 section 9.

You now have five seconds to apply. Help me. And Mr. You have 15 seconds. And the Moshfit breaks out. And Mr. Kahn's a Moshfit. It's chaos. I like when they're throwing them back.

Yes. The best part, he gets shot, I don't know, 40 times. This is where Barthubin's like, you're in for a ride today. And the guy's lying on the table. He's got 40 bullet holes. And somebody goes, somebody want to call a goddamn paramedic?

It's like, we're past the paramedic. They got to laugh out loud in the screening when he did that. I wonder who that actor is. I mean, what a line. What a fucking line. So, like, Dick, I'm very disappointed. That's what Dick's boss says. You're disappointed that Ed 209 put 40 bullets into one of your board members.

That's a bummer for you? There's that. And then there's Bob Morton in the elevator and they're like, too bad about Kenny. Hey, that's life in the big city. No, it's not. He's fucked. Life in the big cities, you can't find affordable housing. What you just saw was a tragedy?

What are you doing? I also feel like you're not in the elevator like four minutes after that happens. No, no, no, no, no, no. I would say that has to be in the running for the single craziest board meeting anyone's ever had. Yeah, there's another one coming to end the movie. Yeah, we're going to demonstrate it to-0-09 everybody. What was the guy's name? Oh, Kenny's dead.

What happened to Kenny? He got shot 42 times. We had a malfunction. You're so right about Kenny, too. He volunteers as if he's like at a magic show and gets to go off and close his eyes and be hypnotized or something. He's so excited to be up there. Because you know if you're at a kid's birthday and you're like, come on, dad, help us out. And you feel like a celebrity because we're on stage.

All his bosses are there. He's like, I can't wait. I'm going to show off. And the next thing, they're ripping the cables out of the production board for Ed 209. It's an unbelievable scene. Listen, I'm just telling you right now, that's my number one. When that movie, when Robocop's in the beginning and that's coming, it's like, oh, man, I got to see what happens with Ed 209.

That's so true. This next one, I mean, this is just ripping off rewatchable scenes coming out of the gate. The car chase, Clarence Boddicker's lair. Sure. Great warehouses in the 80s and movies. I know. We always had, nothing's that. There's never any work.

workers, they're always empty, but they always have all these things. And there's always cranes and things. And then Murphy ends up dying. It's always, what should we do for the final act? I don't know. How about a shoot out in the steel mill? Yeah, that's perfect. It's always that. A lot of places to hide. There's like elevation. You could have bad guys looking down. You can have guys getting shot falling over the walkways. Lava. And as we find out, like a giant 5,000 gallon thing of toxic waste that we'll talk about. Yeah. I saw Murphy's death, I think on cable or video when I was in maybe fifth grade, really, really upset into me.

I watched it way too young. So where do you come out? Because Weller is like is acting his ass off. Do you think it's like, is it funny to watch him because he's acting so hard or does it mess with you? Like when you watch it? You know what I, well, a couple things. They're in the van and the van. chase and Clarence throws out one of the bad guys.

He goes, can you fly, Bobby? Can you fly, Bobby? We have some out into the car. Great line. Has been repeated since in other movies. Like Cliffhanger did it. There's been, but I do feel like they invented the move of to show how evil, the lead evil guy is.

He just immediately sacrifices one of the henchmen. But then that leads to all the other people that work for him, got to be like, well, what? He just killed Bobby. like, am I next? Like, how, would you be able to stay loyal to Clarence at that point? Hey, don't burn the fucking money. He was so pissed.

He burnt the money. And I, I feel like I would be pissed too. I empathized with Clarence there. Like, yeah. He just pulled out the, all the fucking money is burnt, you idiot. It's like the poor man on the, on the group project who messes the whole thing up. I get it. Yeah.

Anyway, you asked, am I scarred by that scene? Like, were people laughing in the theater or were they horrified? I'm wondering. Because it's very... I think the worst part of it, it's weird. It's not the 30 times he gets shot. The first one where he shoots his hand, when he's, like, moving the gun around,

like he's going to shoot him. And you're like, oh, he's just fucking with him. And then he just fucking blows off his hand. And Weller's like, oh, ah! I know. And I think that is weirdly the worst part of it. Because then after that, you know he's going to die. No, it's...

I had a... I think this is the OK motherfucker award for the exact moment when this movie goes up a notch. I don't think it's ED. It's not Ed. You don't think it's Ed. I don't. I actually think it's this because Ed 209

and still fun and comicky and, you know, that's such a ridiculous scene. This is like, oh my God. They fucking just murdered the main guy. 10 minutes in and horribly. I think it's so funny you mentioned the OK motherfucker because like some of the secrets to this movie is, I think that the OK motherfucker moment has like a four.

there's like four or five moments of those where you're like, it's just, even in the last, in the last 10 minutes, when you get toxic waste guy and the car hits him, you're like, Jesus, they just did it again.

I didn't even need that. I was ready for the credits. It has five of them. And certainly like the execution is one. I still watch it and Lee blows his hand off. I think Weller's acting is, is so good and so heartbreaking. Like,

I feel terrible for him. I was disturbed as a kid. I was disturbed now. It's, it's one of the hardest scenes to watch of violence. Like I think in, film history. I think it's very difficult to watch. Yeah, from an okay motherfucker standpoint, and this movie does have like five or six,

it is almost like a great professional wrestling match. We were like, man, that bump, like a ladder match. Wow, that bump they took. That was amazing. That's got to be the peak. And then finally we peak with toxic waste guy, which is coming up in a little bit. Robocop's first day, we get the, I'd buy that for a dollar guy. We get him wiping out the convenience store, Robert. We get him. Can you explain the I'd buy that for a dollar guy?

What's going on with those TV shows? Hey, can I have you? Oh, that's an incredibly important question. So mid-80s is right as they're trying to spruce up local ads and cable ads. And like the one in New York, that was the big one, was Crazy Eddie. It's like, Crazy Eddie. And you can watch some of those on YouTube. That was one of the first ones I remember.

but the ads were like really grab you by the throat, just like nutty ads. So I think they're trying to say it's only going to get nuttier, right? It's the wacky commercial. There's some like some Benny Hill stuff going on. And I think they're just looking at like television in the future is just going to be like boobs and stupid catchphrases. It's like that Ricky Jervais character. You're having a laugh. It's really stupid.

And they think it's funny. The guy that they got to do that, I'll buy that for a dollar, was this like K-Rock personality who just did wacky characters. And he just, I'll buy that for a dollar line. No one who made the movie like you really knew that was going to be a thing. But it became this recurring thing. And the joke is, I guess, like, I don't really believe you. But when you talk about Robocop invariably, someone says, I'll buy that for a dollar. That's usually the line they say.

I think it's the most famous line from the movie. More than any Robocop lines. I agree with you. Yeah. I think it is. Well, the most famous shot in the movie is when he shoots the rapist and the crotch. No doubt. He's going to kill him.

He's got to kill her. Creep. By shooting through the woman's legs in the skirt. I got to be honest, one of the great shooting scenes for our good guy hero in any movie. Like aiming it through. I don't know if it could happen with a human. It's got to be Robocop. And then he, you know, tells her right about the crisis center right afterwards.

Just by the way. Yeah. See, to me, that's another okay motherfucker. Like that, you jump out of your scene when he does that. Unanswerable question, God forbid. Do you think anywhere there is ever a police officer who's tried that move because they were inspired by Robocop? I fucking hope not because, like you said, he has a computer targeting system. Take it easy, guys.

Please do not emulate this. We have Mayor Gibson's office. Deranged former city councilman Ron Miller is in there and Robocop just cleans him out. And then it all goes right to Lisa Gibbons. Robocop. Who is he? What is he? I have some Lisa stuff going up.

I can't wait to talk about Lisa. Was Lisa important for you? Yeah, I can't wait to talk about it. Robocop returns to his house I have. That's when the movie starts to have the human piece to it, right? Like after, and he's like getting these flashbacks, you love that part. Do you, let me ask you this. If there was going to be a P-break, this is it.

Do you get P-break vibes from him going back to his house? Right, but I think the whole part when they're kind of assembling him before he becomes, comes Robocop is a good P-break. This is like maybe he makes some popcorn right here. Yeah. It's, um, it has, you have to have the scene. Like, it's the heart. You have kids and all that.

And I like the computers, like the monitors with the talking realtor in there and everything. Like, I wish they had those for real. But, uh, if you were going to pee break, this would be it. Here's why it's important, though. You need it because it, it all leads to the payoff at the end. Yeah. Um, Murphy. Um, I'm cashing you out, Bob.

is the next one. This includes Bob, I guess, headed for a cocaine-fueled threesome. Yeah, yeah. We get some cleavage snorting, which I think was a big 80s thing. I'm not sure. Are people still doing that? What's the cleavage snorting still in in the mid-2000s?

Well, my birthday's tomorrow, so I'll let you know what goes down in Manhattan Beach. Yeah, happy birthday. Okay, good luck. No, now they line up some zins on the breasts and they just tuck them into their lips like that. However you do that shit, Craig. I don't know how to do it. But I think of, I think, um, Wolf of Wall Street is, is kind of probably apex for breast cocaine, cocaine line snorting.

It's a great point. Margo Robbie. Great point. I have no notes. Robocop crashes the Clarence cocaine party and then the cocaine factory. Yep. Um, I love the, oh, I forgot to mention in the, in this, because we have Clarence killing Bob Miller, right? He blows them up with the grenade.

Yep. But when he tells the girls to leave, he does. the bitches leave. Unbelievable entrance. Put the DVD in a little, I'm not sure. Like, aren't you worried maybe they could recover the DVD and scrub it? And we could do that in 19. I don't know if that was, I would have taken the DVD out before I blew the house up.

When he takes out that DVD, it was like, holy shit, what is that thing? It was like he took out like some sort of magical wanders. No one could believe that a CD could play a video in 1987. It blew you away about the technology. And then he just leaves it. good point. We didn't have DVDs until 10 years later. No, it was. So I guess it was a CD? It was a DVD ahead of time. Did this movie invent DVDs?

I think it did, dude. I think it did. I'd never seen one before that. Yeah, because if it was a DVD, it would have taken him like three minutes to play it. He would have been like, hold on, hold on, just wait a second. Oh, I'm back in the menu. Fuck. Dick Jones, commentary of video. Yes, menu. But then we get the Cocaine Factory, Robocop, Killings. everybody. It has one of my favorites from the 80s, and I feel like we've lost it. The bad guy who gets shot falling backwards, shooting the next bad guy, I feel like we've lost the narrative on those. Let's bring that back. If you were a bad guy in the 80s who was shot by a

weapon, you would always shoot as you were falling down. You'd shoot up or shoot sideways. Yeah. Or shoot. Or spin, spin. Because then like the whole posse goes, I do have to call attention to something in that scene. It's the Marion Cobretti cutting pizza with scissors award for someone has to step in and say this would never happen. Why is the greasy drug lord walking around the Coke house with like an estate cabernet in his wine glass? And then why when Clarence puts his fingers to it, does he keep drinking? That whole scene reeks of Cobra and the scissors and the pizza. It doesn't make any sense. It's ridiculous. Do we have that award or did you just invest me? Just made it up. Top of my head. Top of my head. Craig, write that down. That's a good award.

Why didn't anyone intervene on the set? Yeah, someone needs to step in and say, guys, this would never happen. The Cobra Eating Pizza with Scissors Award. The wine thing is they tried to give the guy a prop to make him like a bond villain. It doesn't work. It's this stupid sequence with the fingers. What are we doing? You're Clarence Boddaker.

You're the king of, I'm writing this down in the rewatchables category. I really want to add that. So what is it called? Do you think the... It's called the Marion Cabradi Cutting Pizza with Scissors Award. Yeah, okay, I got it. For something that would never happen. Yeah, that's a great award.

Great job. Thank you. Really earned your keep already. We don't have so much of the podcast left. It's now you're just like, we have a 38 to 7 lead. Yeah, well, we haven't even gotten a hot check. We just run the ball. Like, we don't even need to do anything else now.

All right, I have Robocop takes his helmet off that whole scene. The bad guys blowing up stuff while evil laughing. Mentioned that earlier. I like it. and then the big shootout. Let's talk about toxic waste of meal. Awesome. Oh, Bill, yours is perfect.

Bill, that's better than your Nell. That's your best impression. That's the side, long legs. Toxic waste of meal. Might have to add him into the long legs part. And how great is his boy when he just, don't touch me, man? That's exactly what you would say.

Exactly. They also, with his death seat, he hits the, the car hits him and just a beauty comes up, hits the car. It's like a watermelon. They said they filmed that and it was like an unexpected bonus when the head went forward and hit the windshield. They were hoping it would happen, but they didn't know. And then that happened. And then, I guess the end where he kills Dick Jones. Dick Jones.

Yeah. And the end with the perfect. So what do you got for most rewatchable scene? It's definitely not the torture of Murphy. Listen, the Bob Morton's apartment from start to finish is a perfect scene. It's sex, drugs, rock and roll, and Verhoeven was just cooking. Yeah. I love that one, but Robocop's in it.

So what was your suggestion for, it was between the leg shot, right? I have Ed 209. Oh, Ed 209. I just think that's when the movies really grabs you by the balls and takes, and is like, we're coming for a ride. So imagine that. You picked that as the most rewatcher. scene and Robocop's not even in it. And I get it. Like that's this movie. It's awesome.

Craig, what did you have for most rewatchable scene? It's honestly, I love all the boardroom scenes. I love the people who work in the office, all these like loser guys. The guy saying, that's life in the big city. Awesome. That love all that. It's very succession way star, Logan Roy. Yeah.

You could see Ed 209 coming in because Roman's like, dad, I got this new idea for crime robot. N-209, and then the robot shoots Carl. What's the most 1987 thing about this movie? A lot of options. What do you got? The stop motion robot's special effects, which were very... Do you like them?

Like now watching it? I thought way better than Terminator. Terminator's three years earlier. I just thought, I don't know. It's kind of charming. Now they would be, you know, 100% better. I adore him. It's the guy, he's like the go-to-stop-motion, Phil Tippett's,

the guy who did the chess scene. in Star Wars. He did the Walkers and Empire Street. He's like the Michael Jordan of Stop Motion did Dead 209. I think Charming is the word. I like it. It kind of still is cool and I like it better than all the CGI. I like it. Stans up. Me too. Over the top 80s street thugs that's in there. Somebody watching eight TVs through a window on the street is very 80s. Nobody, when was last time somebody watched eight TVs in a window in a store? I don't know. No store would put the TVs in the window because somebody would just break the window and take the TVs. Plus you have the plasmas, there would be like no way to do it.

You couldn't even sit them up. Lee Ayacocca Elementary School is snuck in there. Great pull. That's a little Easter egg. You don't catch the first time around with Robocop. Could have won. Falling out of a building backwards with the, because Die Hard has it too, I feel like that was some sort of era for that shot. It always looked fake.

But your winner is Lisa Gibbons. She's the most 1987 thing about this movie. Talk about it. Let's go. I love Lisa. I mean, Lisa. So Mary Hart's in there. Mary Hart, I think, has, you know, kind of killing.

I forget when Mary Hart joined Entertainment Tonight, but it was before, or they were kind of on each other's corner. Sure. 80s? I would say, what, 88? She and John Tess used to hold it down, I remember. Mary Hart. All right.

I'm looking on Wikipedia. She, yeah, we're in the 86 range. So she was earlier than Lisa Gibbons. Okay. Lisa comes in. Mary Hart's like she's established. Like she's about to be in a Seinfeld episode when Kramer hears her voice.

Like she's the OG. Lisa Gibbons comes in. It's a little ultimate warrior to Hulk Hogan. Like I have, I'm going to come in. My entrances are going to be louder. I'm going to be bringing a little more. There was a little more sex appeal with Lisa

and she had a great run. And every high school kid had a crush on her in the 80s. I'll tell you that much, including this guy right here. I can tell. And it's not Lisa, it's L-E-Z-A. L-E-A. Yeah, there's like an automatic just felt a little,

a little pornish, little stripper-ish. Just the name gave her like this extra, extra sauce. Meanwhile, she's competing against Mary Hart. Right?

All-American. The least sexual name. It's like Lisa Gibbons. But I always dug her. There's a funny red carpet moment when James Gandalfini was still alive and he ran into Mary Hart and she's trying to interview

Tony Soprano and he says to her, you were my, childhood crush. Like he loved Mary Hart. Personally, I was a Nancy O'Dell guy. Still am for life. Love Nancy O'Dell on that circuit. Love her. Wonderful woman. What's age the best? We mentioned

a future crime rid in Detroit. We mentioned Kurt Ridd Smith playing a bad guy. Yeah. Where do you staying on Dead or Live? You are coming with me. Murphy says that then Robo says it. I enjoy that they have the callback. I like the callback. I like the writing.

Listen, this is a lot of times. There's one of many times we'll talk about this, this movie comes up against Terminator, and it's kind of the version of I'll be back. It's sets up deliberately to be a catchphrase. It's short, concise, it works. And when he says that the second time at the gas station and Emil recognize that it, it's a really good moment. His acting is really good in that scene. I have a bunch of other ones. Do you have any what's age of best you're passionate about? Yeah, I'm passionate about two villains in a movie is awesome. I think that works. You have Bada current. You have Dick Jones. Think about Dark Knight has two villains. Silence the Lambs has two villains. Return of the

Jedi has two villains and you kill one and then there's still business to take care of. I think that works a lot and it really works here with Dick Jones and Boddicker. So like two elite pass rushers in the NFL, but better? It's like the 96 Packers had Sean Jones and Reggie White and it's like, shit. We can't chip block everybody. You can't double team the Boddaker and then Dick Jones is going to get you. Exactly like that. It's like the Steelers if T.

T.J. Watt was still good, what they would have. Oh, come on. I just want to make sure. Is TJY Washed, Phil? What was you talking about? T.J.W. I took the last six weeks off of the season last year. He was there in uniform only.

Yeah. We'll see. We'll see, Craig. Here's a good one. So Emil stops to get gas for his motorcycle. Yeah. Did you notice the price of the gas? I did not.

$5.79. Oh, he got it on fountain in Hollywood, huh? It's literally the best because I think that's right. what the price is down. Is that true? Yeah. Media break as a futuristic news show, it feels kind of like it has internet bones, right? Sure. I could see Media Break being

some weird YouTube channel that has 15 million subscribers. You know how many of them they bought. Yeah, they probably bought 14.5 million of them, but still, Media Break, doing well. Sure. Love it. Atios is thinking of buying them. Bring them in, get new talent, and just churn out churn out takes all day long.

Verhoven loved the American news. He was like really amused by it because he's like in holland like it was just one man with a graphic over a shoulder but in the united states it's like two people like kind of laughing all the time in between stories he's like i thought it was so funny and it is funny it's a weird thing that we did and still do it's still really funny he he dialed it up at the end where they would go to break and it would just close in on their eyes and they would just be the screen of 20 eyes uh i thought for what's age the best the 6 000 s ux is fucking hilarious talk about it how hell yeah these new new SUVs.

They call it the SUX, but I just, I don't know when SUVs really started, but it was right around then, and they were just, Verhoeven's like, we're going after this. It was the transition because there used to be minivans, and that was all through the 80s, early 90s. Mid-90s, you started seeing like your Chevy

Blazer, and the Jeeps became big, and the X-6,000 S-U-X, this car sucks, but bigger is better. And they do the stupid dinosaur commercial. That's the stuff that makes this movie fun. I love it. Couldn't agree. more also making the movie fun.

Anytime a movie character is named Dick, which we don't really have anymore because nobody would name their kid Dick, but in the 80s and 90s we had a lot of dicks. This is fantastic take. Go ahead. When somebody does the pause before they say dick,

and we see this in there as like, uh-uh, dick. It just works every time. We need more dicks. I take that sound bite and loop it. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, I just fuck myself for life. You know what's the perfect one?

The good thing is the internet is always nice about this stuff. And they won't do we need more dicks at all. Awful announcing Bill Simmons, we need more dicks. Yeah. Get it, boys. Bill Simmons eviscerates dicks. But the guy who does it exactly what you're saying, our guy, John Bender, when he's talking to Vernon, expect better manners from you, dick. And it's just, name your bad guy's dick.

It always works. This was the heyday for dicks. Hell yes. Apex Mountain for dick. I love tidbits like this. The robocop suit was so hot and heavy that Peter Weller was losing three pounds a day from water loss. Incredible. They had to put an air conditioner in the suit so he didn't like basically become emitiated.

Can we talk about Weller in the suit for a sec? Yeah. There's a lot of stuff on this. All right. So the suit was, the suit kind of strikes me as maybe as like the shark and jaws where it was really difficult to work with, very, very problematic.

But Weller shows up to this thing and is like this theater train guy does ballet, studying mimory and shit. Runs marathons. Yes, runs marathons, literally runs marathons, method acts it. And people are like,

he had to be called either Robo or Murphy when he's on set. And you always think that's all bullshit and the actors deny it. Weller is like, fuck you. Yes, I method acted it. I prepared for six months. I'm in the suit at 130 degrees. I don't give a shit what you think. Call me robo and Murphy.

And I think it's cool. He owns it completely. There's so much stuff about how some of the actors thought this was the most ridiculous thing ever. They're like, you're in a fucking robot suit, dude. Settle down. You're not Sir Lawrence Olivier. You're not Sir Peter Well, you're Richard the third over there with your gun and your helmet. He's like, I'm treating this like I'm Richard the third.

Get out of my face and call me Robo. Well, that. The other piece of it with the suit, this killed me that he did like three months of martial arts training. So when he got in the suit, he would be like, be able to, and then the suit, like, you couldn't move. You couldn't do it. You basically were like, and he was like, fuck,

I did all this martial arts training for nothing. He was like pissed about it. He signed up for a robo cop movie. It's a robot cop. Which do you think you were going to be like Bruce Lee? Yes, he did. Last one's aged the best. You mailed me a picture.

it's a pretty famous picture that I've seen on Twitter a few times. Yeah. It's a Radio Shack Valley Foreplex. And hold on, let me. It's the marquee for the movie theater of what's playing that weekend. Yeah. Can you see it? It's really cool.

I mean, take your pick. Jesus. The internet caption on Instagram right there, the caption is, Take Me Back. Yeah. Lost Boys, Robocop, Predator, Full Metal Jacket. God damn. I'd take that in two years.

They had it in one weekend. We really knew what we were doing back then. The Big Cahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. What do you got? Well, the organic food paste that Robocop eats. Tastes like baby food. It was made out of parsnip, tomato puree, and crushed Butterfingers bars. All right.

Sounds like a frozen yogurt. I'm in the butt. I'm going to eat that right now. What do you have for the Great Shot Order Award for most cinematic shot? I have when the two hooligans are with the woman in the alley and he shoots between the legs when robo gets out and the shadow is projected against the wall behind them and he looks huge and it keeps getting bigger really cool shot because as he walked towards them the shadow would actually get smaller so they had him walk backwards so he gets bigger like fucking brilliant shot love it

furhoving yeah cooking so i don't have a kid cutting pursuit of happiness award best needle drop but i do have a note unless you have a do you have a i have two giant question marks under it just, I don't know. So he goes to the nightclub when a boddaker's henchman's in there. And he, the scene when he kicks Robocop and the balls, which is bad idea. The guy's a metal robot. I feel like they really missed a great song choice possibility for that scene. And this is where Verhoeven, you know, being a Dutch filmmaker, I just don't think he was on it.

Because he could have gone, you could have gone like Rockwell. I always feel like. Somebody's watching me. Could have gone that direction. We could have gone into the little old late 80s alt. We could have done like a Peter Murphy cut you up. Or we could have done some, you know, somewhere like a... It's such a good point, though.

Somewhere like in that indie 80s could have done some XTC. I don't know what, I don't know what I wanted, but they didn't give it to me. I would jump in too with like a hair metal death leopard. Do you take sugar? Right. Right. Dropbox, too! Yeah, they could have done Death Leppard.

They could have done... They could have done... There's a lot of cool shit they could have played there. Again, they... Pretty shoestring, thin budget, and they're trying to put it into his metal balls instead of the music, but a banger needle drop there

would have really worked. Damn. Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders were for best character name. It's obviously Dick Jones. Dick Jones. Name your villains Dick. Young screenwriters. It works.

Just name them Richard and someone can call them Dick. We only really have football coaches left named Dick. And they're a dying breed as well. Only Dick's a Hall of Famer. Yeah. Dick Leboe. Let me ask you this.

Are there like people alive now who are kids who will be Dick someday? Like let's say you're named Richard and it's a family name and you're Richie or Rick or something. Are there, are Dicks as a name done? I think Dickie can come back. Dickey Greenleaf. Yeah. Like Dickie seems kind of cool. No, I think you're just audible right to Richie or Rickie.

Craig, do you know any dicks? No way. Dicks are dead. Forever, though? Won't they come back like Rosemary and Dorothy, all those vintage names? Like, will you ever be at a travel baseball game and some parents yelling? Come on, Dick, just throw strikes right to the glove. I think Dick is dead. I think guy is dead.

No more guys. Never understood that one. Names go away. I mean, we haven't seen an eight-off in about 60 years. Like sometimes it's just like, boom, we're done. We're never having us. other one. And I think Dicks have reached that point. Yeah. But there's still kids named Harry, and Harry is like Dick's stupid brother.

You know, like, and I just wonder. We'll see. Dick Jones. You have a flex category, Kyle. What is it? Oh, my God. I have so many choices. I was going to do the, uh, does this movie have a porn parody, but it obviously does and it will take you two seconds to think of what the name is. What was it? Robococke. There you go, Horlebeck. Yes. Robocococ? There it is. It's got to be. What else? It's got to be.

It's right there. And you know what? Honestly, Bill, like, given Verhoven's, like, horniness, like, he probably directed it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I directed a Robocococke, and he says, come quietly or there'll be trouble, but the coming is a reaching the orgasm. It's a great movie. Like, that's, he would have directed the porno parody of his own fucking movie if they asked

them to. All right. No, my real flex category is that I'm actually going to go with the Fortune three clap award for most giffable moments. When Robo is brand new and he's in that chair in the factory and he starts having those dreams, he starts going like, and if you go to Twitter right now and type in the gift search Robocop, it is that moment of Robocop with his mouth open. And it's all tweets of like, I'm not even going to say, I'm like, when she stops, but you're still

and it's like the person's draft pick is terrible. And then it's the Robocop. Like Red Sox Trade Deadline? Here's my reaction to Red Sox Trade Deadline. Yes. Yes. And it's a really funny gift to use when something terrible happens because he definitely looks like someone is performing something on him.

And it makes me laugh. That's a great one. I thought you were going to go for Fox category. Did this movie Need a Sports Scene, a random sports scene? Because we had Detroit and could we have had Clarence's gang? I think it's Clarence's whole extended gang, little pickup three and three hoops, I think would have been great.

In the warehouse? Yeah, in the warehouse, there was a hoop. Half court only. Yeah, half court only or maybe a shooting contest, something like that, I think would have. Well, if they remade it now, Clarence's gang would have their own pickleball court and they would just get after it

in between killing cops and stuff like that. I mean, that would be the reason to kill them. They're not even committing crimes. They're just playing pickleball. Robocop's like, we're going to take these guys out. I mean, Luke and Dodgett's saying he lost weight partly by playing pickleball is, is one of the worst things that's happened in 2025.

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I do. Mine's a little asymmetrical. I do have one. You want me to do mine? Yeah. This is kind of a hot take, too, for rewatchables. The weak link of this film is that this movie is too short. I want more. I've never said that I'm on a movie before. I am tired of this Kohlbeckian philosophy

that everything has to be 20 minutes long. It's too short. It's 102 minutes. I need five or ten more. minutes. Terminator 1's 107. Predators 107. Leitha Weapons 109. I want two more scenes. And if you look, there was supposed to

be a chase scene at the end where the Terrence's guys used, the Clarence's guys used the big guns. I would have liked to see a chase scene with the guns. And there was supposed to be a scene where Robocop goes to the cemetery and sees his own grave as Murphy. That sounds heavy metal as shit. I would like to see that. I've

never said it before. The weakling of this movie is that it is too short. I want more. I'm going to let Craig respond to that. Craig, if you want to come on the Zoom, even better. Look, you're wrong. You're wrong, and I won't allow it. However, you make a compelling case. I thought the movie is so tight.

I think they literally don't even develop Murphy enough. Like, how is there not a scene of Murphy with his family in real life at the beginning of this movie? Like, he should be kissing his wife goodbye, playing with his kid. So then you have that emotional connection. And Verhoeven's like, fuck it. We don't need it. We'll do a couple flashbacks, 102 minutes. He's fair hope.

It's like, I need that extra 40 seconds for my cocaine cleavage scene. Yeah. Wait, Craig, stay on, because this ties into my weekweek in the film. I agree that this movie is like two scenes short, even though I love how fast it moves. How is there not a scene where Murphy's wife finds out that Murphy is now Robocop and she shows up at the police station? Yeah. And then instead of- unexplored family stuff.

Yeah, instead of that wife being played by some actress, I don't know who it is. Now it's Gina Davis. And it's like, Gina, need you for one really good scene here where you go to the police station and you see Murphy and he doesn't recognize you, but he kind of, and you start crying. Like, you've turned him into a monster. Why'd you do this?

Like, it's the easiest layup. And now Murphy's in crisis. He's like, am I a monster? He's looking at his robot arm. It's just sitting there. And then that's the bridge to the porn parody where he's looking at his wife. And she's like, if you're a robocop,

that means you must have a robo. Right. And then right off. Bam, pamp, bam. Come quietly or there will be trouble. I will respond to what you just said, Bill. I have a theory about why that happened because after he dies, Lewis tells Robocop

she moved on really quickly. My take, Murphy, maybe not so great a guy at home. Maybe not so great a husband. Maybe a little verbally abusive, maybe all kinds. I think that she got out of there fast. I think she moved on fast. I think Murphy was fucking around.

We don't know what that marriage is like. I think it was a disaster. Some marriages with police officers, I'm sorry to say it, are rough because of the lifestyle. I don't, for her to move on that quickly and not even come back, like, where the fuck is Murphy? I heard he's this robot guy. No, she was out of there. I think it's a great point. Thank you.

Thanks, Craig. What takes the worst? The sequels. Yeah. The 2014 remake, why? Again, I've said this 50 times on rewatchables. Don't remake make movies when I can watch the original movie and it's still really good. It's unacceptable.

I can still, it's on Amazon Prime right now. You can fucking watch it. I don't need to watch the remit. And then it gets confusing. They're both Robocop. You can accidentally click on the Joel Kinnaman one when you meant to click on the Weller one. Like, I don't need it. I don't need it in my life.

Call it Robocop 2014, but don't do it anyway. Is there anything, Bill, that gets you more mad that when you're getting ready for this pod and you just Google Robocop cast and the one from the remake comes up and it's Joe Kinnam and you're looking. It's fucking bullshit. You're like, no one wants that. No one is ever looking for that cast, ever. even that cast themselves is looking for the original cast. It's bullshit.

Woodstage the worst. Police strikes. So I look this up. We haven't had one in America since the 1910s. How'd that go? Didn't go great, actually. Yeah, I bet. What stage is the worst.

Robocop joining Sting in 1990 for WCW. You might have it as a What Stage the Best. Anybody listen to has to watch this fucking clip. Sting is in a cell, and I don't mean in the ring, there's a small, small jail cell next to the room. ring. Robocop comes out. And it's, of course, it's not Peter Weller, and it's not the real costume.

And Robocop's supposed to bend the bars. And the announcers are like, oh, my God, look at that strength. But when he goes to bend the bar, the whole wall comes off and he tried to put it back out. It's absolutely horrible. But if you love wrestling, Sting and Robo, like raising their hands together is fucking great. This was a really weird era of the 90s for movie promo tie-ins to actual wrestling plots. Yeah. We mentioned for Wood's Age 2 Wars.

Robocop's costume, Weller was so frustrated that he fell out with Verhoeven who fired him. Went to try to get Lance Henriksen as a replacement from Alien. And it was just too hard. The costume was designed for Weller. They would have to make a new costume. So then they had to kind of make up and Weller came back to the movie. Weller sounds like he might have been a little too method of a method actor. he was really method

he definitely gets some settled down for me and yet Weller would look at you Bill Simmons and say scoreboard

look up at it creep I crush this role Lance Hendrickson can suck it it's like the guy trying too hard in like PE class

or something you know it's like right settle down Greg he's soccer he's diving diving for kickballs

my last one the lead is it's a white guy named Clarence Boddicker? Can we talk about this? I used to have, when I had my call, I used to, I had the Reggie Cleveland Hall of Fame, because the Red Sox had this picture named Reggie Cleveland, and it was just this dumpy-looking white guy.

Clarence Boddicker? How did they come up with Clarence Boddicker? Does this guy seem like a Clarence Boddickr to you? Well, let's go directly to the Tarantino script and True Romance, where Clarence Warley, in which Drexel says, it reads his name and says it doesn't sound like it fits him either, and it's also Clarence. Yeah. So I just got wildly distracted, though, Bill, when you were talking about your old column, because my favorite group used to be the Lindsay Hunter All-Stars, who are athletes that sound like

hot girls. I used to love that shit. Lindsay Hunter sounds like a girl I dated. She was a publicist in L.A. The best one ever was when I did that. I had the Lindsay Hunter All-Stars. Then, like, two years after I started it, Charlotte, the Charlotte Hornets drafted Alexis Ajinka. And it was like, this is definitely.

a supermodel 1990. Like she took the cover from Elle McPherson. Incredible. Did you see Alexis Ajinka on the new S.I? And it was a power forward for the Hornets. So that was amazing. Wow, is he dating Alexis of Jinka? No, he's still with Stacey Ogman.

I'm like, I love that shit. All right, that's it for Woodstage to best. The Overacting Award, McIntyreira kind of dials it up a few times as Bob Morton. Did you have another candidate, though? You know who over X?

Ed 209. Get the fuck out of my face falling down the stairs. He balls on his back. He's crying. His legs are fling. Yeah. Shut the fuck up, Ed 209. I don't like that part of it.

I think he gets it. Ed 209 had some flaws. Shooting people in the boardroom. Can't walk downstairs? Like, they really rush that one. Can I give you an Ed 209 take? Yeah. I think Ed 209 is a Freudian metaphor.

I think, it's a penis thing for Dick Jones. I completely, I think Dick Jones has nothing down there, can't work down there, and this thing is this big giant metal with balls that shoots. And like, his name is Dick. E.D.209. I think Dick Jones was dealing with some

of that. When we see Dick Jones in the bathroom, he's on the toilet sitting. I think he's peeing and hiding. He has no wedding ring on. He doesn't like how, what's his name? Bob Morton like womanizes. I think it is a big Freudian, like, look at this giant metal unit.

And that's how it was in the 80s. I feel like it's a metaphor for that and it doesn't work. He's just sitting in the bathroom stall looking at his sad pud that used to work. With no phone, by the way. Just sitting there. Thinking about how to create Ed 219. Is he going to be more of a thing? I like that take.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to take a word. I have one of my favorite ones I've ever had, but you go first. Hell yes. You want to go first? No, you go first. My hottest take is that this movie chokes. It chokes.

And at the one yard line at Deshawn Jackson's, meaning we have an entire long movie of state-of-the-art craftsmanship, an incredible 1980s technical special effects. And in the last 30 seconds of the movie, we get that asinine Dick Jones monster puppet fall shot out of the window. And it makes it's so, so, so, so bad. and it's so disappointed. It makes Mac and me look like Avatar. It's, they take the, the creature from the tool sober video and throw it out,

and they didn't even need to have that in there. They've done all these brilliant special effects shots. And I feel like it blows a 3-1 series lead right at the end. And they choke at the goal line. And you walk into the lobby, you're like, what was that last shot of that dumb puppet falling out? Terrible. I hate that they did that. That might have been the half star for Ebert.

He might have been three and a half stars of the minute left. And you mentioned this, the tough beat. And people point this out. the year later you have Hans Gruber in the same exact shot and it looks awesome. I just think I think Robocop blew the 28 to 3 lead. Did not get nominated for an Oscar for Special Effects. Predator and Interspace Only, no nomination. One for sound.

And I think the voters were like, I can't nominate that shit with that thing falling out the window. It looks so bad. It's a shame that it ends that way. It's a great point. What's yours? I'm curious. I'm curious. I said one of the best ones you've ever had. Let's go.

Yeah, this is really good. It's meaningful. Ties into all your appearances on the pod. I think out of all the movie roles and any rewatchables we've ever done, I think this is the one you could have, when we say the what if Kyle Brand's acting career, soaps, you know, you're in real world, then you're in the soaps,

and it's like someday I'm going to be an actor. Maybe I could even be an action star. Yeah. I think you would have been a great robocop. You got the chin. You could have figured out the costume, you're athletic. I just think this could have been it.

Like any movie we've done, you as Robocop, I really excited me. I'm flattered, thank you. And if it would be like this and come quietly or there will be trouble. Bill knows I was on Days of Relive for three and a half years and they offered me a contract extension.

And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going off to be Matt Damon. And I got this thing. And then like a year later, I was broke and depressed and sleeping in my robe. The last thing I ever auditioned for, Bill, my last Hollywood acting audition was a remake of Night Rider. They did a remake like, I don't know, 15, 20 years ago,

and I got really far in the process of getting cast in the Hasselhoff role and then didn't get it. And that was like my moment where I was like, this is it. I got to get out of here. So I wish there would have been a Robocop, man. I don't know if we'd be having the same conversation. I think you could have done it.

Thanks, buddy. Casting what ifs. Jonathan Kaplan was supposed to direct but decided to do Project X instead? I don't remember that one. Project X was with Matthew Broderick and Monkeys. Oh, the monkey, yeah, okay. Yeah, odd movie. Verhoven dismissed the script twice,

didn't understand the comedy in it. And then his wife was like, no, no, this is good, you should do this movie. And then he ended up doing it. They, speaking of Kyle Brandt, they spend six to eight months searching for an actor to play Alex Murphy.

You were too young. Okay. Yeah. Schwarzenegger. Ironside. They kicked the tires on Rucker Hauer. Verhoeven's like, let's just get Roker. They're like, no, we're not getting Rucker Howard.

Tom Berringer, Armin Asante, Keith Caradine, my favorite choice, James Remar. Hell, yes, yes. Gans from 48 hours. I'm into Riemar. I'm into all those guys. So I watched, there's this, there's this documentary on Amazon called Robo Doc, this unbelievably thorough, exhaustive detail, really well done about the making of this. And when they're talking about the casting of Robocop, they flashed

through some headshots and some of the names you mentioned. Did you come across this? Because in the dock, there's a headshot. And the headshot potentially to play Murphy is our guy, Stephen Seagall. And I'm like, is that possibly true? Is that fucking real? So I did not see that, but this is crazy because my recasting couch, director or city category was Segal as Robocop.

I just a better movie. It's just Segal being trapped in the robot thing. but trying to add Seagal things where he said, no, no, I don't think Robocop should get shot. All the shots miss. He's just cleaning out. He's never in danger. Nobody ever shoots at him.

I just think it's a funnier movie. Let's skip all this. I think it'd be cool if Robocop had like a metal ponytail and a metal beret and he has his badge around his chain. And you know how he walks like, you're right. He was like, anybody's seen Clarence Boddaker? Right.

Anybody know why Clarence Boddick? Or Dittaker did Murphy. I'm going to take you to the bank, Dick Jones, to the blood bank. Oh, I don't need this. Also, in the beginning in the warehouse, he could have had, like, karate fights with guys before they finally got him and shot. He could have done Segal shit. Yes.

But he never would have taken it because the guy loses in the movie, and Seagal never loses. Never even gets hit. Nobody ever landed a punch on Seagal. You're right. The one two-by-four in that one movie, out for justice. That was it. Somebody got me the two-by-four recovered. right away.

Stephanie Zimbalist was cast as Ian Lewis, but had a Remington steel pickup. Tough. Couldn't do it. I had a huge crush

on her in the 80s. And ended up getting Nancy Allen instead. Weller was the only person out of all the actors who wanted to be in and Virhoeven liked his chin. That was it.

That's really what it came down to. Michael Ironside, offered the role of Boddiker, did not want to be a psychopath again, turned it down. I wonder, and then Kurt Wood Smith auditioned for Dick Jones, thought he got Dick Jones, but they gave him Clarence Botter. I wonder how many times Kurt Wood Smith and Michael Ironside

were up for the same role as people just wondered what the fuck was going on. It's so true. I think Kurtwood Smith probably auditioned for Jester in Tobgun and 86. No question. And then it's weird because Ironside then shows up in total recall and he's the bad guy again. So he does get the role. but those two guys definitely flocked together. I think that was his settled down moment

when he turned down Robocop and then two years later, he's like, fuck. All right, yeah, total recall, do it. That's that guy award. So we already mentioned Paul McCrane, who is toxic waste, a meal. Yep. But I think the winner is Ray Wise,

who is one of the other bad guys, the guy who kicks Robocop and the balls. Right. I, for 40 years, thought that this was so, from Scarface. I told you a long time ago not to fuck with me, Tony.

I told you what would happen. But it's not. Did you learn that this week? I learned that this week. I thought for 40 years, I thought it was Sosa. And I was like, what amazing range on this guy? He played Sosa?

But no, it's Ray Wise. Character actor. I just have to shout out my guy. We've done this before in this category. the most legendary background ever, our guy, Alan Graff. I have the picture of him because no one knows who Alan Graff is,

this guy. This guy's in everything. Oh, yeah, that guy. He's in, we had him in over the top. He's the guy in the donut shop with the gun and boogie nights. He's in the background. He's always the guy in the background.

He's in Magnolias and Jerry Maguire. Alan Graff, wherever you are if you're still with us. That's my guy. Who'd you have for the Dan Waiters Award? To me, and I'm just like, I got to go back to my guy, Ed 209. Three scenes takes it away.

I mean, it's either him or it's buy that for a dollar guy, but I think it's at 209. I had buy that for a dollar guy, but you could go either. Can I have a question about Ed 209? At the end of the movie, when Robocop blows him up, Robocop comes in, Ed 209 walks up and goes, you are parked illegally. You have 15 seconds. So does he blow people away for parking in the wrong spot? Was he about to open fire because of a parking violation? What's going on? I had some serious malfunctioned glitches. Yeah, he just shoots at anything.

You know, I think that because he murdered the guy in the boardroom for no reason at all. Yeah, I don't think he was... That's life in the big city. Okay, you know what? I love that line. Did you have a recasting couch or no? Director City, I would love to see a Wes Anderson version of Robocop. He's in like a corduroy suit and he goes into the Grand Budapest Hotel and beats people up with

ironic banjos and typewriters. That would be a totally different... take on it. Wes Anderson Robocop I'd like to see. Fantasy would be the only one who liked it. I listened to the big picture. Wes Anderson has been the movie of the year. Craig's choice for a flex category.

Craig, you got to come on the Zoom for this. I'm going to do a hottest take, but I want to give one quick other thought first. Verhoeven wanted this to be an asexual movie. Well, he failed because I want to shout out. I want to use a little bit of my time to shout out. Dr. Tyler, played by a woman named Sage Parker. With the glasses?

Big glasses, kind of crushing it in this movie, looked her up, didn't really have a career. Thought she looked like a, like Parker Posey's sister. I was very into her. I thought there'd be more of her in the second half of the movie was a little disappointed that she disappeared. She kisses his visor with the lipstick smack on there. Yes, yes. It's kind of hot. I was into her.

Anyway, my hot take is that Robocop, not that hard to thwart, not that impressive of an invention. Like, I think Robocop's Madden's score is. like 82. Okay. People are shooting rocket launchers in this movie, and he has one handgun. He's incredibly slow. Can he run? Can he even run?

We never see him run. He can barely turn around, just like hit him with your car. Yeah. I just like don't think he's that impressive. Well, they show him driving, but we never see how he would have actually gotten into the car to drive because he seems so unflexible. I don't even know how he got in the car. I think, Craig, the deal was that they couldn't get him in and out of the car because

he was too big. There's never a shot of him getting in or out of a car. You bring up a great point. Like, you need to get away from Robocop. Just run. Like, he can't do anything. Just run around the corner. He can't move.

Climb the stairs. Just turn him around a little bit. You're done. Yeah. It would be like if the Cowboys, like, ever is like Michael Parsons, he's unstoppable. But he ran like an 11.040. He couldn't turn. Can't block this guy.

It's like, no, you actually can't. He can't move. Use one of those big SUVs to run him over. He's done. That's a great day, Craig. Congrats. So you kind of did this already, but I had a bonus category in here.

The Steven Seagal shitting on himself a word for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film show. Just Weller only responding to Verhoeven when he was addressed as Robo, when he was in the Robo cop. I had to try to find it in multiple places because I just didn't believe it. He's like, hey, Peter, it's like...

And Murphy. But Robo's funnier, though. Murphy I get. Robo I don't get. Robo. He's like, Peter, so you got to turn around in the costume. He was like, Paul, I thought we covered this. Can you call me robo?

I need you on set, Peter. Can you call me robo? Call me robo and I'm on the set. Like, I'm really into this character. Half a Surner research, the Robocop suit costs somewhere between 500K and a million dollars. It was, the story was conceived. I mentioned Neumeyer before. was Universal Pictures Junior Story Executive.

Edward Newmire developed it with a guy named Michael Minor who wrote it, and that was it. Verhoeven wanted to film in Dallas because it suggested the near future. I don't know if I agree. Talking about the architecture and the cities. What would be the Robocop city now for suggesting the near future? Dubai. Oh, yeah, we'd have to go out of America. Yeah.

Good point. Richard Nixon was hired to promote the home video release for 25K and donated the money. So you watched that Robo Doc? Yeah. Four parts. Exhaustive. The four parts where it was like, I'm tapping out. Incredibly well done.

It's revealed in that doc that all the cops in this movie are named after notorious mass murderers. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like Ramirez. Yeah. Serial killers. like that. See, Robocop's got so many Easter eggs, it's fun.

Verhoven started taking prescription meds to cope with insomnia and was just apparently a maniac on the set, but got better as the years passed with movies. Although Sharon Stone might say differently. So, when Baudiker's gang is blowing up storefronts,

one explosion was bigger than they thought, and you see the actors scattering, and somebody's coat got on fire. Ray Wise said he got some glass on his face. He was excited. They paid him extra. Awesome.

The movie was refused to art rating 11 times, although Verhoeven said it was eight. And they just kept where, like, you got to tone down the violence. But they were like, the whole point of this is, we're making fun of this stuff. Like, we need the violence. And then the film's cars,

the police cars were 86 Ford Tauruses. Yep. Probably the peak for Ford Taurus. I guess we'll cover an Apex Mountain. Apex Mountain for Ford Taurus, for sure. And then Robocop, huge VHS rental in the 1988. That's how I saw it. Massive.

Longest waiting list of the year. And then a little bonus, Lisa Gibbons deep dive for you. Give it to me. She has three grown children and a rescue dog named Biggie. Okay. She's into rap. She did Tony Robbins infomercials in the 80s, which I forgot. She hosted her own daytime show in the 90s for seven years.

Forgot that. Seven years? That's a good run. What do you have for Lisa Gibbons over under marriages? I'll give you over under three and a half. You tell me how many times Lisa Gibbons has been married? Lisa Gibbons' marriages over under three and a half. I would go under with three.

It was four. So the overhits, yeah. She had fiendwell cover that one. But she's settled down. She's living her life. 68 years old. It's like when McCauley is learning about Vince and Hannah and he hears that he's been divorced three times, because he's out there chasing guys like you.

Lisa Gibbons out there maybe chasing those celebrity news leads. Chasing stories, right. I get it. Apex Mountain, Lisa Gibbons, not yet. No. I think getting your own daytime talk shows, probably Apex Mountain. For seven years? Yeah.

Detroit. That's pretty 87, pretty good in Detroit. Early 90s, bad boy pistons, Barry Sanders, Lions. Yeah, early 90s. It's got to be. Good call. Peter Weller. I'm going to say yes.

Absolutely. I love Weller, but I, this is all I got. Verhoven, no, but I think it's basic instinct for him. So it's five years later. Basic instinct was bigger than total recall,

which was big. I think it is, after basic instinct, there's like this guy's a guy. Movie heroes dying with the Christ arms throwing up fallback. I think it's platoon.

But we're right in the, I think if you combine it, this is kind of peak for that. And then we're right toward the peak of the puppet falling backwards as our character, but it's actually Alan Richmond, they figured it out. Nancy Allen know.

Famous Bautickers. See, Mike Botaker. Sure. Really good 80s A.O. picture. The Red Sox trade for him in 88 to make a little pennant push. I'm sorry, 80. They traded for him in 80. Yeah, 88.

So the only two Botikers, I could think of. I didn't even know the picture. So, yeah. Ronnie Cox. I'm going to say he's got this and Bev too in the same year. This is Ronnie Cox Apex Mountain. Great actor too. I love that guy.

Two years earlier, his Envision Quest with Linda Furentino staying at his house. Yeah. Modin, the horniest character in history. unbelievably horny. Miguel Ferreir, probably. Yeah, Bob Morton, great.

Kurtwood Smith. probably that 70s show. That was a pretty big show for like seven years. A massive show. And then it's got Coutcher and Mila and one of its characters is in prison now. Like, all kinds of stuff to talk about with that show. And yeah, I think it's, I've never seen one episode. But apparently he's really good on it.

He's the dad. Important show on the Reddit conspiracy board. Futuristic cop movies. No. I mean, you got Blade Runner. I mean, Blade Runner, Minority Report. Blade Runner did a long. a lot to inspire this movie, too. I think it's Blade Runner still. I agree. Cruiser,

Hanks. This is so funny. Robo Tom. Which one do you go with? I did Cruz. Cruise. Cruz is way funnier. I think that Cruz's in the first 15 minutes. Cruise getting shot. Cruz having to take his helmet off and having like the bald cruise cap on. You don't see Cruz play cops a lot. Like I feel like the only time maybe he has is minority report. He's never really been in like a blue uniform. Hanks did it. in Dragnet and he did it in the one with the dog, Turner and Hooch. I think it's probably Cruz. The one with the dog?

Yeah. I mix it up with canine, which was John Belushi. You mix it up with canine? What's happening? That was like, Turner and Hooch is a classic. Are you going to do the Turner and Hoots rewatch? Listen, if there's ever a dog month, Turner Hooch will be in Dog Month.

Dog month. It's good. Dog month, high ratings. People love dogs. I would go with Cruz, though. I would go with Cruz. Me too. Scorsese or Spielberg? Interesting. This could go either way, but this feels like very Spielberg trying to embrace

his dark side, but not really getting there. The problem is the hard R, the hard R rating. Scorsese has to do it. I mean, the Coke scene alone is him. Spielberg did this movie. It was called AI and Haley's Zole Osment was Robocop. Yeah, you're right. It's Scorsese. It's a good call. Scorsese. So he's like, how many cocaine scenes are in there? Like, we got two. I'm in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman played? Clearly Boddicker. Hmm. What would you do on Robocop? No, no, no.

I saw this as like young, young, up and coming, like twister, boogie nights, Philip Seymour Hoffman. Oh, Miguel Ferreir? Not even him.

Like, one of the, like, people in the lab, like, who works on Robocop and he kind of has, like, Scotty J. energy, you know? He's like a lab coat, and he's walking next to Robocop. He's like,

I think your suit a lot. It looks really, sexy. Thank you. I really like your name. Thank you. I think he's just one of these guys who steals the scene despite having like two lines. I love him there. He could have been Kinney. Oh, you love Kinney, dude.

Kinney is a hilarious, hilarious. Oh, sure. I'll bond, dear boss. He could have done it like with his scent of a woman kind of Phil Hoffman. Anyway, Bill, let me give you, there's one apex amount I think is interesting. Yeah. Do you think, is this Apex amount? Mountain for violent scenes that are hard to watch. I'm talking about Murphy's execution.

And I have a list, okay? Oh, I can't wait. All right, so you got at the end of casino, Tommy and the cornfield gets beaten up by Frank Vincent. It's tough to watch. The Private Ryan's slow motion stabbing in the end when they're in the room. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, don't. Gandalfini and Alabama and true romance is brutal.

That would have been my pick. You have the hobbling and misery where she brings. breaks his ankles, which I actually think is kind of funny. And then there's like really horrible stuff, like the American History X curb stop, which is terrible for a million reasons. Irreversible has an 11-minute scene that's unwatchable. But I kind of, the true romance one,

especially the director's cut, is really tough. It's not a fun topic, but it thought of this because I still had trouble watching the scene. And I was like, is this the hardest scene to watch? Put it this way. When I show my little kid content now, like I don't care about profanity and usually I don't care about violence.

It's the sex I try to keep him away from. He's only 11. I would not want him to watch this movie yet. I don't want him to watch that scene of Murphy being killed. It's just too much. I saw it too young and I don't want him to. It's intense. I would have thrown reservoir dogs with the cut in the ear off.

Michael Madsen, our guy. By the way, species pod, fantastic. Just fantastic. Oh, thank you. One of the all-timers. Yeah, that Candlefini scene is, I think that's the whole point, though. Yeah. Yeah, there's some other ones.

Man on fire when he's torturing the guy in the car, but you're kind of rooting for him to do it. I know. Pickin Nits. Yeah. Whose idea was it to give Ed 209 actual bullets for the boardroom demonstration? Maybe we just go with blanks for the demo. How about just blanks for the demo?

Just change out the bullets. You're harming him with real bullets? What if something goes wrong? They're ripping out wires from the control board. Maybe it just not load Ed 209. Unbelievable. It's not like Ed 209 went to the store and bought bullets. They were arming him with the bullets.

With a lot of them, too. Yeah. Hot take. Did Murphy deserve to die? They go into a warehouse, loaded with gunmen that they just chased. There's no backup coming for 20 minutes. Nope.

There's no harder place to navigate than a warehouse with nooks and crannies and levels. They're like, going first. The rest of the guys will come in later. How about this? Just hang outside for 20 minutes. Let's just chill. It's like in the town when the guy looks up and sees all the guys with the guns, the officer and just looks back down. He's like, nah, not today. Just wait. Not today. Backups not coming for 20 minutes. Cool. We'll wait for the backup. Yeah. There's six of them and two for us. How do you feel about Nancy Allen's character not figuring out that Robocop's Murphy for like 30 minutes? I feel all right.

The second she sees the gun for. Yeah. And she worked with him for like 20 minutes before he was murdered. All right. That's probably a better case. All right. Murphy had no family or friends other than this one wife and kid. Nobody who knew he was nothing.

No. Was anyone at his bachelor party? That's a good point. I mean, he probably got married. College roommate who checked in every once in a while. No. It's side piece, which I think he had. She didn't show up.

I have a picking knit about the family. Like that, when he goes in that flashback, that is such a bullshit demonstration of what a family is like. No family is that nice. The kid is like, hi, dad, take a picture with me. No kid says that. That's the Dutch thing. Verham doesn't understand American families. At all.

Because you know what American families don't do? It's the middle of the day. The wife is in a robe. It's like a Tuesday. And she's like, I have to tell you something. I love you. What is that? No wife behaves that way ever.

If anything, that wife would be, like, really annoyed that why is he doing this new job in the tough district? We need more money. We got to go out of this house. Like, that idealic version of a family, Verhoeven, fucking missed. No family is like that. Yeah. The way she says, I have to tell you something, I love you.

You just have to assume there's a guy hiding in the closet that had just been having sex to her. And she's trying to throw him off the scent. I love you. He's like, get, come, get. Yeah, definitely. I have a problem with the Robocop costume. So why do you have the mouth in the jaw exposed?

It feels like all the shots, like you would just aim for his mouth, right? You try to hit it. And then when they're shooting at him, he's covering his jaw. Like, why does it cover anything? He's a fucking robot. Why wouldn't he have just a full metal over his face?

Yeah. Or like a little shield that comes down. Like if he's in battle, like pull the shield down. There was a lot of people who didn't want to play the role because they didn't want half their face covered the whole time. And so that's just that. But maybe maybe it's it. It's like it goes up and down, though.

It's like a mouthpiece in boxing. Like when you know you're in battle, you pull it down. Like a welder mask. Yeah. Ed 209 not being able to go downstairs. I know it's funny, but I also like, that's just insane. They didn't think of that. He's chasing criminals.

There's criminals go up and downstairs. You didn't figure this out. Is Ed 209 Apex Mountain for worst new technology rollout ever? It's like him, Google Glass, Quibby, ESPN Mobile, and Ed 209. Like, what? That's the worst thing I've ever seen. Jesus. Here's my last one. Was Clarence Boddicker?

Was he wanted criminal or not? Yeah. Known mob loss. He's wanted for 31 cop killers. 31 deaths on his watch. The mob boss of old Detroit. But then in the last half hour of this movie, he's just strolling into Dick Jones's office going through saying hi to people.

So is he a criminal or not? Yeah, Lisa Gibbons even has him on the news as like known mob. boss. Sometimes they do this in movies. Like in 1989 Batman, like Carl Grissom and Jack Napier, they're just known mob bosses. They just walk around and they do stuff in public and no one arrest them or anything. So yes, it is a little odd. I'm getting it. Do you have any picket nets? No, just the one about the family would never be that way. It's ridiculous. Sequel prequel prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. A prequel with Murphy in the other part of Detroit, I'd probably watch five minutes. All black castes.

Maybe if you're going to, that would have been the 2014 answer. If you're remaking Robocop, like, let's go all blackcast and just go. But they made all these sequels, so I think that's the answer. The real answer to this category is none of them, it's video game. And they made a shitload of video games. And they're pretty cool. The arcade game was awesome. You could fight Ed 209.

That's the answer. I'm embarrassed to say that I'm so old that I had the computer game in the 80s. You had a computer game? Yeah. Like on an Apple computer or what, did you have a Commodore? Apple. Awesome. 1888 that's the apple that me and Gus Rams used to play micro league baseball on all the time

But I had a couple of only a few games, but I think I had the Robocop one. I vaguely remember it. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trail, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, long legs, Peter Schrager or Wilford Brimley in the firm? You know, I'm tempted to say Pete Shregs, but I need the scene where he shoots through the woman's legs, I would love. to have my guy Gus Johnson on the call. And it's just, Robocop, young fella, a couple of scumbags

about to give this woman a Brazilian, goes to the thigh holster, raises his gun. For his and beans all over men, your moon creep, man. There we go. Love you, Gus. Great, chap. Love you.

Well, see, you've stepped on mine now. First of all, I thought you were doing this for another scene, but I had Mike Breen for Ed 209 killing Kinney. Do it. Do it. Fifteen seconds, five seconds. Bag! Bang! Bag! He's just doing 40 bags.

His kiddies just taking... Unbelievable. All the shots, yeah. See, the Shreger take would be, he'd be like, Ed 209 is Mahomes, and him taking that loss early on is going to put a chip on Mahomes shoulder, and Mahomes is out for revenge this year, and I'm taking the Chiefs. That's Peter. He kills that take. That would, that's what

he would roll with and it'd be good. Oh, I thought it would have been. Guys, I talked to Dick Jones last week and he did not like what happened with Ed 209 in the boardroom. They're fixing it. They think that robot's going to be great and it's going to be ready to go for the season. Yeah, look, everybody's moving on to Bob Morton. That's, I got news for you. Dick Jones, they still believe in them. They still like them. Let's go. Love you, Peter. He would give his amazing take and no one would laugh or respond. I love you, Bob. Yeah, just freeze faces and the split screens at ESPN for it. Just one Oscar, who gets it?

Special effects? No. Well, the sound effects actually won. Special effects not nominated because of the sole sober character. Probably an answerable question. So we have no idea what year this movie is in. Apparently there was a commercial

for the film's home video release that said the movie was set in 1991, but nobody's ever established that. what year do you think this movie was set in if you had to pick a year it probably has to go at least 30 years ahead well it's it's tough because they have all this technology but there's no cell phones so nobody makes a cell phone call the whole time but do they know and i guess in 87 they probably should have known cell phones were going to be a bigger part of because we have the gordon gecko phone already like they should have known but they figured out DVDs then

didn't figure out cell phones? Yeah. It's like they made this in 86. They probably thought this was like 2010, maybe 2005, 20-some years forward. I was going to say like 2011 range, like 25 years later. Yeah. I mean, this is stealth, robocop question, but do you think Bob Morton was behind transferring cops into the worst parts of Detroit that could eventually be good robocop?

Yeah. Like he's almost like scouting combine it. It's like there's this guy Murphy and the other. Like he's really good. It's like, transfer that guy over. We got to get over. I think it's almost inferred in the movie that Murphy's sudden transfer to the rough thing is because Murphy fit the profile.

They set him up to be killed and then they could use him because they knew he could be a Robocut. Was it basically they scouted him? This is our guy. Clarence Boddaker is going to lure him in. The backup's going to be 20 minutes away. Kind of weird. It's not like Detroit's Houston.

I think it was completely. Absolutely masterminded. Yes, completely. All right, so maybe that's answerable. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? Something that we have not talked about yet in this podcast. I'm going to have some friends over, some couples. We're going to have some wines, some IPAs, some charcutory. And we're going to play around to nukem.

And we're going to get the game out. And we're going to say, Pakistan's threatening my border. I want real nukem. None of this cars against humanity shit. I want nukem, the home game. The best. we forgot to mention that's a good answer

we forgot to mention with those news breaks when they slide in stuff like two presidents have been killed in Santa Barbara and it's clearly inferring it was Nixon Reagan

but then they have this other one I don't know why it's so funny but rebels have taken over Acapoco Yep In the mid 80s Acapocco was like St. Bartz That's where everybody went

and they just kind of slid that in but now I guess that could have been for most 1987 thing about this movie So true. Because now if that happened, you'd be like, oh, I totally believe Rebels took over Acopoco. 87, it was like kind of a way to make fun of rich people.

My piece of memorabilia that I'd want from the movie, I'd probably want the mask. Yeah. Just some, like, just have it behind me in the studio here. I don't know. That'd be cool. Coach Finstock will wear a best life lesson. You can kill somebody, but you can't take their humanity.

Mm-hmm. I don't know. Dude, they'll come back. They'll resurrect. or put blanks in Ed 209 the next time. If there's any weapons companies out there developing new stuff and you're going to do a demo, not really necessary.

20 person border of demo. What was it where, like, what was it where Elon was debuting the cyber truck and he's like, you can't break the window and he threw the thing against it and it broke. That went terribly,

but still Ed 209 significantly worse. Best double feature choice. I mean, you could go Terminator and go right into Robocop right after and double robot it. You could go Verhoeven and do this with Star Ship Troopers

or Total Recall. I don't know. What do you have? The Terminator thing is interesting. There's a couple things that's what I say about this because when the movie came out, allegedly James Cameron was pissed

and he thought that they ripped them off and if you look at the timeline, Robocop is being developed well before Terminator. But there's a really interesting thing in Terminator 2 where there's a couple things in T2 Judgment Day

that are like, they look like ripoffs of Robocop. Like verbatim. Oh. They both end in a steel mill. There's a point where the T-1,000 stabs Arnold with a spike and then wrenches it back and forth just like Boddiker does, like note for note. And then the whole backlit SWAT team where they drop the Terminator and Robocop is like

note for note for note. It's almost like Cameron was doing it on purpose because he thought they ripped it. It looks just like it. Like, you know how Larry does the spite store for Moka Joe and Curb? It was like spike scenes. It's almost note for note ripoffs of robo. Robocop. It's crazy. And we know Cameron's a dick.

Yeah. I think he's totally neurotic. He's like, I know you guys rip my shit off, so I'm ripping yours. Look at those shots. It's the same sequences. Yeah, that's such good. Especially the steak is like almost no for note. Really good one. Who won the movie? A lot of people could have been Robocop.

We need the horny blood-soaked Dutchman, Paul Verhoeven. I think he absolutely cooked in every single sense of this. I think it's him. I had him as well. All right. Let's see what Craig thought. Craig, had you seen Robocop? No.

and I haven't seen the new one, the Joel Kinneman one. I kind of barely knew that existed, to be honest. I enjoyed this movie so much. The B movie that's trying to say something, Trojan-horcing you into a message, this movie's interesting because I think if you're on your phone, if you're half watching the movie, it's kind of just a cheesy 80s science fiction movie

with questionable CGI, which is a problem now because most people turning it on, they're probably half looking at their phone, and you miss so much. But if you actually sit down, put your phone down and watch the movie, there is so much happening in the interstitials. There's so much being subliminally

kind of delivered to you. That is just so interesting. It reminded me a lot of, they live, the John Carpenter movie. Yeah. Just about its views on like the dystopian future and all the stuff like that. I also think the villains in this movie are great.

Yeah. To me personally, I feel like Nancy Allen and Peter Weller, I could take them or leave them. If you recasted both of them, I think I'd be fine. But I think the villains in this movie are awesome and they seem like genuinely terrible people and you really want them to die.

You know what's interesting about that? I almost feel like he didn't want the two leads to have any sort of personality. Like he wanted the villains to have to suck up the personality of the movie would be my guess. Well, that's kind of like the Batman formula that the villains are so much more interesting than Batman.

The scene that we didn't talk about is in the bathroom between Bob Morton and Dick Jones, where he reaches back and touches his hair and pulls it. That is what you call it Dick Swinging Contest, and it's a really good scene. Yeah. Well, I think like 10 years later, this is Brad Pitt as Robocop. As Robocop.

Right? Yeah. Good chin, like he would have fit it. They probably beef it up. I don't think they have Peter Weller. It's Channing Tatum, you know? It's one of those guys. Would you like this movie more if it was Emilio Estevez as Robocop?

I didn't even think about that. There's a scene where Robocop gets really high and then he screams on the glass breaks. It's fucking awesome. Rob Lowe, like they could have gone like that direction, right? A little more famous, but I didn't know who Peter Weller was, but I also wasn't going to the movies

to see Peter Weller. Yeah, if it was Roblo, when Robocop takes out, they would need hair still. Like, I didn't love the Robocop. I didn't love the Peter Weller, Bald Cap, like Doris Bader situation going on. That was a little uncomfortable. I also don't know why he did it.

I guess it's him coming to terms of this humidity. I do think technologically speaking, this movie's eyes were bigger than its stomach a little bit. Like they really tried, and maybe they were a couple years too early on. It struggles in some ways, I think, in the effects. But, you know, they're doing their best. Hey, Craig, when we do our live fantasy football draft on August 25th,

yeah. I'm bringing a robot in. I'm going to demonstrate. It's a robot fantasy thing. We're going to do a little demonstration. I want you to be the one that challenges him with a trade. Hyphus would volunteer. So I'll get him.

Highfins would be like, I'll do it. Ed 209 is like Anthony Richardson. They're like trying to make him work. He's firing missiles that running backs in the flat. Ed 209, I'll trade you George Kittle for DeAndre Hopkins and Isaiah Pacheco. You have 15 seconds to accept this trade. that has Anthony Richardson as Ed 209 is the fucking funniest. Everything looks good on paper until he's faced with any sort of anything.

We're really trying to make this work. Yeah. Wow. All right. Robocop. Another winner for Craig. We took them back to 1987. Way to go, baby.

These movies don't miss now. Like any of these, I'm just in on all these. We've completely corrupted them. I know. 102 minutes. Come on. There's still some left. All right, Kyle Brand, anything to plug, push?

What do you got? No, it's just as usual. We're doing my 10th season of Good Morning Football. Wow. Me live from New York, and I'll be getting after it as always. What was the stuff with you in a suit with Peyton Manning? Is that like a secret project? No, Eli Manning.

Eli Manning. What was that? I did a project with Eli where, remember, like, Bill, do you remember back in the 80s when Bob Hope would do his Christmas special and they would introduce the All-Americans? Yeah. They would run out, and they're like, I'm Steve Young, BYU quarterback.

I love this. We kind of redid that and modernized it. It was awesome. Oh, great. Can't wait. All right, thanks. And then Craig, Ringer Fantasy Football Podcast.

This is when it becomes essential. We are now in August. That's right. This is it. Week 2 of training camp. There was a real football game last night. You know, lots going on. Craig, who's the number one overall pick?

It's Jamar Chaser's take one. Really at receiver. Not Bijan I'm hearing about him? No. I'm not taking a receiver with the number one pick. sorry. Also, I'm not going to be in a draft with the number one pick because I don't still pick my nose and need it. I'm an adult with a wife and a family and a job. Well, Bill, we're doing snake for our live draft. I just want you to know that. We have to. All right. I'll get some

boogers ready. I can pick them on the live show. Are we really doing snake? Yeah, we have, for a live stream, the auction, I mean, that, on offline auction is really difficult to pull off. I guess we got to do it. Can we call it the first annual ringer, booger, booger, fantasy football draft. Sounds good. Yeah, I can be the name of the league. All right. That sounds good.

Who's the most polarizing fantasy football guy this year? Do we have one? Is it Justin Fields? Kyle Pitts and Anthony Richardson run it back. No, Kyle Pitts isn't polarizing anymore. He's going to be sitting there, Bill. He's going to be sitting there in like the seventh round and you're like, he's got such upside.

He's so fast. No, nobody thinks that anymore. For how cheap they are, they are basically going undrafted now, which is why they're starting to get interesting. The other team is the Dolphins? It's like, is Tyree Kill Over the Hill? Devon A-chan, when he's with Tua, he's the best fantasy running back in league. When he's not with Tua, he's one of the worst.

Dolphins are really hard to predict right now. So it's not Justin Fields? No, I think Fields actually is like kind of a high floor pick. Really? Yeah, I think people think he's going to be like a massive quarterback this year. The most in the league. He might rush for like 1500 yards. Yeah, I mean, they're committing to him.

There's not a real strong backup situation. Like if he plays 17 games, he's going to be a top 10 quarterback. He just will. Yeah, to me, he's a polarized one. J.J. McCarthy would be another one. he's a powerful for sure. Well, it's like, could you just plug and play him with the Sam Darnold stats?

It's the same offense. It's a huge risk. I mean, Justin Jefferson even, it's like, how much do you take him second overall with J.J. McCarthy? What if he's terrible? Where do you have Ed 209 in the rankings right now? Is he in the top hundred? Yeah, yeah, he just cracked it. He's right next to Kyle Pitts.

I would rather take Ed 209 in the Kyle Pitts and go through it again. Kyle Pitts is the Ed 209 of fantasy players. It's so true. That should be his next. name. All right. Kyle Brand, great to see you,

as always. We're going to try to do one more of these in the next. You know, I feel like we haven't done a Stallone in a while. I'm just going to say that.

Let's just meet on that bone. Let's see what we can find. There's some Stallone meat left. Anyway, great to see you. Thanks, Craig. Always great to be here.