The Rewatchables - ‘Rudy’ With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Kyle Brandt as they dust off their Notre Dame jackets to chase their dreams after rewatching the 1993 sports classic ‘Rudy,’ starring Sean Astin, Ned Beatty, and Charles S. Dutton. Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Good Morning Football. A staple, a staple of our football diet. You can watch that with Kyle and Peter Schroger and the gang. Kyle comes on every once in a while. Normally we do 80s action movies, but today, this podcast is the most beautiful sight. These eyes have ever seen. Rudy is next. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy.

Hey, kid, not supposed to be here. His courage will surprise you. I'm here to play football for the Irish. I need your help. Why should I help? His spirit will inspire you. Ever since I was a kid, I wanted to go to school here. When people say that dreams don't come true.

Hey, you guys, my life's going to know a day. Tell them about Rudy. Rudy, too? I'm ready for this my whole life. Rudy. Now playing in select cities. Rudy, football movie, came out in 1993. And I think for seven, eight, nine years was a Pantheon sports movie.

People loved it. And then the internet rounded up into shape. Yeah. And then the nipicks began. And now it existed in this weird place in 2024, 31 years later. I think it's a much maligned Pantheon sports movie. I don't think a lot of people would have it in the Pantheon. I watched the first hour plus and I'm like, ah.

And then it just turns into like one of the best sports movies of all time. It's basically two movies. It's this one movie for 65 minutes, 64 minutes. And then all of a sudden becomes one of the best sports movies of all time. And I don't really know where I land on it, but you have even more detailed thoughts. Walk us through what you're thinking. You're all over it. I watched this with my 10-year-old, and he looked at me like an hour in.

He's like, I thought you said this was a football movie. What is this? And I get it. It's two movies. It's about a movie about a kid trying to get into school and then about trying to make the dress list. But I think where it washes out, Bill, I think it's the most polarizing sports movie of all time. I think it's the whole spectrum from beloved, untouchable treasure to I fucking hate this movie.

It's like, it depends on how you see it. It's either a beautiful movie about believing in your dreams at all costs and a love letter to Notre Dame, or it's a snuff film about an insufferable young man with a pain fetish who sacrifices his entire life for six seconds that sort of happened. That's the choice you have to make with this movie. Yeah, and it's weird. The Notre Dame people seem like they hate it. For the most part. Like, I think because it probably gets mentioned to them a lot.

And everyone knows the nitpicks at this point. You once upon a time, Notre Dame was an important school for you. Yeah, so I should set the table like this for this pod. I grew up about 100 miles from South Bend in Chicago. My dad went to Notre Dame. He was there. He was a huge part of it in the late 60s, right before Rudy got there. And like my heroes growing up, a rockodoo.

and Chris Zorich and Tony Rice. And I was a massive fan. I would go to the games in South Bend. I would be there cheering. I would get really upset if they lost. I saw this movie bill. But you also played football. Like you played football in college for Princeton, right?

Yeah. And I like Rudy, like my whole dream growing up was to play for the Fighting Irish. And I took one unofficial recruiting trip and about five seconds knew that wasn't going to happen. So I went, I'm like, oh, let's try something else. But I wanted to go badly to Notre Dame to play football. And I didn't have to cheat and steal my way in like Rudy did, but I had to play it the right way. And this is what I should say right now,

because I feel like I might run into some opposition from Bill on this pod. I cry every time I watched this movie, including this week on the rewatch. Full tears the entire time. Like, I'm in on the aura of Notre Dame. I am not a skeptic when it comes to it. I cry every time, last night I cried watching it.

For real, I'm into it like that. So you think I'm going to zag against that. I'm with you. I really like this movie. Oh, good. I think one of the things I really like about it is the first hour is super fun to make fun of. You know, it's like Rocky 2, which is a really flawed movie for the most part. And then in the last 25 minutes, a little like Rudy becomes the best sports movie of all time.

You're like, oh, my God. As soon as she says, I want you to do one thing for me, I want you to win. And it's like, oh, my God. We're on a fucking ride right now. Rudy's like that a little bit. and you just have to get through the first hour. But the more I've seen it, there's just so much good stuff to make fun of.

We're going to go through all the nipicks. We're going to go through all the unintentional comedy. Rudy's a maniac. I know. I know. I wrote down to my notes. Rudy, dot, that, that, dot. The most annoying, needy, pushiest emotional stalker you've ever rooted for?

Question mark. Rudy, an underdog story crossed with a dangerous tale of obsession. Rudy earned his place by getting the shit kicked out of him, not in the weight room, not by studying game tape, not by being like, I'm going to add 20 pounds of muscle, just by getting abused for two years, just getting the living shit kicked out of him. God only knows how many concussions he had, what kind of broken bones he was buried. And that's basically the movie. It's like how much abuse and how shitty can you make your life be to accomplish your dream, which is weirdly a message. But at the same time, this movie is insane because 99,000 out of, you know, 99,000

one times, this goes terribly for Rudy and he probably ends up in prison. It's true or just killed on the field. And I think the way you put it is. Rudy dies. Yeah, he's just dead. Like he's bring out the trainers. The trainers can't do shit. It's the 70s. Give him some salt pills. But I like the idea that it's a movie you can make fun of and then an incredible movie. It's like an opening band. It's like if Corey Feldman, open for Pearl Jam. Like, that's what it is. You laugh and then you just like,

oh, this is awesome in the second half. And I think, like, a huge part of the legacy right now, like so much of the Rudy conversation, it's not even about football or Notre Dame or Sean Austin. It's just people are obsessed with what's real and what's bullshit. And that is, like, the 2024 legacy in the internet. You mentioned they're obsessed with that. Well, I wrote, based on a true story,

the most five dangerous words in a movie. I know. Because, and we've done 352 movies at this point. Like, anytime you see it, all bets are off. We do, like, based on a true story of this podcast right now, and we're doing a podcast in like Aliensland. It's like, all right, well, they were doing a podcast. It was based on a true story.

So the all bets off factor of this is multiplied by 100. And we're going to go with... And don't forget the idiot brother of based on a true story, which is inspired by real events, which I think is even looser. But this is, they go based on a true story. So you immediately like, oh, this all happened. And then you come to find out that many things didn't happen.

And people get pissed off about that. And I think people are already out to hate Notre Dame a lot. So if it was about a different program that hate wouldn't be there, it's the Notre Dame, it's that you're bullshitting us about this. And people have their knives out. It's also like you identify with, Rudy, you root for him. He's a good sports movie character, but he's also fucking annoying.

Oh, really annoying. There's a piece of it as you're watching it where you just kind of want somebody to backhand him or just be like, God, you're a fucking narcissist, dude. Like, it's all about Rudy at all the time. You just like, your friend dies. You're halfway through the funeral and you're like, I got to get out of here. Oh, I'm going to leave my girlfriend. I'm about to get married to.

I'll see you guys later. I've got to follow my dreams. And from that point on, just becomes this narcissistic maniac. And it's all through this prism of, I just want to get on that field. I just want to come out of the tunnel. And it's at the expense of really everything. He wears the same clothes every day for two and a half years. He's sneaking into a stadium.

He becomes a pimp for D. Bob. Yep. Like, he's a pimp. He's basically Huggy Bear and starts skiing hudge. But it's like whatever it takes to make the dream happen. but as you point out, the dream is dicey. There's a YouTube clip with a real sack. So for people who don't know, like, like the,

based on a true story, the true story is he was a walk on. He got the shit kicked out of him for a while. He got to play in the last home game. And he did get a sack. Yeah. Which he was off sides for, by the way, which is a big part of the internet dialogue of this.

He was clearly lined up off sides, D. Ford style in the Chiefs Patriots game seven years ago. So I've spent a lot of time on this clip. on YouTube. And if you're listening, watch the, we're talking about not the movie, the actual black and white film of Notre Dame versus Georgia Tech. You can go on YouTube. It's like Rudy 1975 SAC. You can watch it. So a couple of things. He doesn't get off the ball too fast. He doesn't jump the kind of fact. If anything is a little slow, you're into the details where you think like he's lined up in

the neutral zone, right? Oh, he's, he's defaulting it. There's no question. The problem is, is that the other, the real bullshit, too, is it's a half a sack. They don't show that in the movie. There's another, the other side's defensive end gets at least half the sack. And it's like Rudy is completely assisted. And I have a lot of thoughts on that play that I'll get into later. It's really interesting to watch because there's a lot of bullshit that doesn't happen and a lot that does. But it's a half sack and he's probably lined up in the neutral zone.

And the running back for some reason, whiffs on the block, almost like Rudy paid him. Yeah, it's one of the worst running back box ever. I have a couple of lists for you. Yeah. The best stalking movies ever. Cape Fear. Fatal attraction. Sleeping with the enemy.

Fear. One hour photo. And Rudy. Because I think Rudy stalked the University of Notre Dame. Oh. Yeah. He's basically the husband and sleeping with the enemy. Showing up halfway through the movie and just kind of

of standing at. Like, it's basically, if a university could ever file some sort of complaint or whatever against a person who's trying to get in this school, it would have been Rudy Rudiger, I think. Yeah, that dipshit Barney Fife security guard who sends him to a priest, I think, because he knows he needs religion. He should have more. I think also you got it as single white female.

He's like the Jennifer Jason. For sure. Totally. Totally. Single shitty athlete is the name of the movie about Rudy and stalking Notre Dame. The flip side of it. This is one of the last old school chill scene, sports-centric movies. You think like Rocky in 76.

Yeah. The Natural in 84. Karate Kid 1, 84. Hoosiers 86. Rudy 93. This kind of closes the door on a certain era of old school sports movies where it's like, here's the underdog, here are the people who don't believe in them, here's some inspiring music, here's the chill scene at the end.

You're going to have goosebumps coming up. off your goosebumps. And this is just how we did it. And I think right around here, I was thinking about like there's a specific era starting with Bull Durham, really till about 94. This is like the second generation version of the sports movies we grew up with. And then we move into this he got game era in any given Sunday and just like the next iteration of what sports movies were. And Rudy feels like it could have come out in 1981. Could have come out in 1979. Could have. Could come out in 1985, but it's, it's kind of the last of its era. Then we went into that Disney era in the early 2000s with,

remember the Titans, the rookie. Those are kind of the legacy movies based off these, but Rudy does feel kind of timeless, right? I think partly because it's set in 1975, but I don't, like this movie came out in 93. Does it feel like a 1993 movie? I don't think it does. To your point, it could have come out in 73 with the year that he shows up at Notre Dame. There's not a lot going on.

It's just, it's a period. piece and the haircuts and the jackets are a little interesting, but it doesn't matter. The football works. And again, I showed it to my 10-year-old. He got a little bored in the first half, but it held his attention. Feel the Dreams, another one from that kind of era, the Costner era, like held his attention. And I think he likes it. And I think my question is like, do NFL players now, like, does Caleb Williams, like,

is he into Rudy, like the USC, that Notre Dame thing aside? I don't know if the young, super young, like teenage 20-year-olds like it or not. but I still love it, man. I got to make that so clear. And I love that you get emotional about the second half too because it's such a treasure chest for skeptics. You can just make fun of the whole thing.

The ending's amazing. Yeah, though, I would say from the moment he makes the team, which I think is like 45, 50 minutes, the rest of the movie. There's not a single minute I would change. Even like when they go play shuffleboard with, uh, with he goes back to play show.

But like even that, I was like, oh, cool, shuffleboard. I love it all the way through. I have it for that era, which I think is a specific sports movie era from 88 to 94. So if I was going to do my sports movie pyramid just for that era, Bull Durham's at the top.

That's great. Field of Dreams League of their own. White Men Can't Jump, Bloodsport, Major League. I think I have over Rudy. And then I have Rudy right there with the Sandlot and Bobby Fisher and above the rim. I think it's because of the flaws

of the first hour. Yeah, there's almost no sports. They had to do it that way, but it's slow. It just is. And it's, there's a lot of unintentional comment in it that I do not think they intended. Well, I just, I can't wait to talk about his older brother, Frank. And like, like, if you hate this movie, Frank is your mouthpiece. Like that, that's your muse.

Everything you ever want to say about is Frank. I can't wait. Yeah, Frank is basically the internet as an, as a, 1979, older brother. So nobody believes in Rudy, brothers, dads, priests, girlfriends, coaches, janitors, co-eds. He's over 300. And it works out. So do you think nobody believed in his football potential for Notre Dame and just him going to Notre Dame? Did they not believe because of his size?

Because he wasn't smart? Or because he was fucking annoying? If you're going to pie chart it, how would you pie chart it? Size like 50%. I think the size is a lot because the football thing they're actually worried about is physical safety. Then I think in a close second, though, is the fucking annoying.

The truth of the ethos of that family is that, like, it's like they're all jealous. They don't want him to succeed because they never had to dare to dream. And they used to be the high school football player. And they never did. And they're like, God, Rudy's so, I don't want to it. It's going to make me look bad. But I think it is the size.

And then, you know, you can always get around the grades thing one way or another, I guess back then. But I think the annoyance is a factor for sure. Yeah, all the right moves tapped into that family thing 10 years earlier. Because Steph's brother in that movie is kind of like, who are you? You think you bigger, you think you better than us? He's doing like a little bit of the town. Another thing that's great.

Two really pro things for this movie for defending the movie, which I think we both are. The cast is super eclectic and really fun. We got our guy, Sean Ashton, who I know we're going to dive into. We, we, the Toy Soldiers pod we did was an omit, almost a year ago, almost an homage. He's Rudy. Young, heavy John Favreau as D. Bob, his buddy. Ned Beattie is his dad. It's fantastic in this movie.

Vincent Vaughn as hot shot running back, Jamie O'Hare. Not Jamie O'Hare, Jamie O'Hare. Goes as Vincent in the credits. Rock, Charles S. Dutton, as the magical janitor. Spikely had some thoughts on characters like this in the 90s, but it's fine. I love Charles S. That's not in this movie, just period. So do why he's perfect. The priest from the exorcist, Jason Miller, as coach Parccian.

Yeah, the difference is in this role, he wants to throw up all over Rudy's face instead of the other way. He wants to throw a pea soup all over this idiot walkout who keeps barging into my office. But he's great in the role. He's really good, and it's inspired casting. I think they even said, like, you know, that they like the fact that it was such a swerve because here's this guy who, the Exorcist was such an indelible movie.

You just associate him with this priest that's getting puked on. And there he is as the Notre Dame coach. Chelsea Ross, sports movie Hall of Famers, Dan Devine. Definitely. He gets him later. Lily Taylor is the girlfriend who ends up with the brother. Joe Lies. Joe Lies when he cries from say anything.

thing. Robert Prossky? One of those guys? Eventually became Robert Prossky? And then I'll let you take the floor on Ron Dean. Oh, I mean, Jesus Christ. Hey, hey, I screwed around. Guy screw around. Nothing wrong with that, except you got caught sport.

Either that or sitting there with a bloodstained Richard Kimball, whose wife was just murder and say, so financially you're not going to be doing too bad after this. Sorry. If you have a Chicago movie, even Chicago adjacent, like Indiana, you have to have him in there. First Ballot Hall of Fame, that guy. He's a, I would say, Chicago movie royalty. Have to. Multiple Segal movies with him, I think. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, I think it's like, it's even more than movies. It's like Michael Jordan, Walter Payton, Caleb Williams, Rondin, that's it. Caleb Williams, he made it already. He's already on there. Oh, my God. Two preseason passes.

Yeah. If there was a movie, set in Chicago in the 80s or 90s with cops and Ron Dean wasn't involved. You just have to assume he was filming. He had a conflict. No, like, we couldn't get him. He was already busy. Even like, listen, Chris Nolan's doing the Dark Night in Chicago, the best filmmaker of this generation. He's like, we're shooting in Chicago. Give me Ron Dean. Give me one scene with Two-Face and a bar and Dean was there. I feel like Dean has a writer and he has his personal trailer and it's like really expensive to get Dean. You go, Dean. He was, he was Andrew Clark's dad back in the Breckless Club 40 years ago in the car.

He's been doing it for years. When he checks out Ali Sheedy at the end, it's one of my favorite, like, favorite scummy dad moments. Let's do it now, Bill. Who won the movie? Ron fucking Dean. You won the movie.

Sean Ashton, you're out. For the people listening, Ron Dean was one of the two great assistant coaches, and he's the one who, like, basically goes to bat for Rudy. So he's that they had the white assistant coach, the black assist coach. He's the white one.

He's the white one. And then the other piece of this, which I can't believe we've spent almost 20 minutes and haven't gotten this yet is the Jerry Goldsmith, the score. Okay, let's go. So he does this in Hoosiers, which is probably enough for a sports movie score goat status, but, you know, the Rocky, Rocky's tough.

Yeah. Rocky kind of creates the template for it. And what's it? I'm blanking on the Rocky score guy. I don't know either. I'll look enough if we're talking. But this guy, John Williams was Michael Jordan of movie scores.

Talk about it. This guy's probably Kobe. He was nominated 18 Oscar nominations. He won for the Omen in 1976. He did a lot of movies that you and I like. First Blood. It's great. He does alien, total recall,

sleeping with the enemy, basic instinct, the vanishing China. Bangers. All things where you can. hear the score in your head. Yeah. And this one, the tryouts is like, I mean, all the music in this is great.

My wife actually said, because I watched it a second time, and I made her watch it with me the first time. The second time she was just walking around, and she's like, should we just play the Rudy music in the house every day? Oh my God. Just so it just feels more inspirational here. I'm like, not an awful idea. It's such a good idea.

I have a bunch to say about this. I think this score is more important than any other rewatchable pod. Bill, my wife and kids are on the other side of the country. Now I'm in the house by myself. A half hour before we started doing this, I played the Rudy score around the house, like on our Alexis system, just to fire me up for this. Here's my take on the score. I think it does more heavy lifting for this movie than any score in history, meaning you can have Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Back to the Future, Jaws. those are all amazing movies

if you take the score out despite that. This score carries the fucking movie. It's like the co-leads are Sean Aston and Jerry Goldsmith. It is so important, more important to any movie ever because the first half is rough. But all he's doing is walking through

the quad with his backpack, but then that Goldsmith drops and you're like, I have an affection for this guy. I kind of root for him. It's so valuable. Bill Conti was the one who did the Rocky ones. Sure. So I have I went through everything. I really wanted to get this correct.

If you're going to do like a sports movie, you can't do Mount Rushmore because there's five, but if you're doing like first ballot hall famers for instrumental. So you're the best by Joe Esposito. That's out. Win in the end of Team Wolf, that's out. Like anything where somebody's singing, those are out. And we're just going score, orchestra.

No vocals? No vocals. So there's five. Gonna fly now, Rocky. Yeah. Tryouts, Rudy. Hoosiers, the theme song. It's really good.

And then you could also like basically twist that into the Jimmy Join, the team. We're now kicking ass. The natural is just absolutely elite. Beautiful. Really, really great. And then chariots of fire has to be on there. I mean, that was a dominant, dominant, dominant theme song of the early 80s. It was in literally everything.

So I think that's the five. when you make a list, you know how it's going to go. There's going to be snubs. Who'd you leave out? And I got a big one. I know you have going to fly out by Rocky. But the song training montage in Rocky 4 is completely... That's a good call.

I didn't want to have two Rockies. You're right. That might be the best one. It's... I mean, I have it as my personal number one. It actually has two of them in there. All right. So I got to...

got to add the two Rocky fours in there, too. That's good. So those six, that's great. That's a great list that I'm sure we left something out. Did Goldsmith get nominated for an Oscar? I'm going to say, I'm going to say yes, please, but I don't know. No. Oh, Christ. The Lion King wins, Hans Zimmer. That's seminal. Shawshank got nominated. Good. Should have. Forrest Gump? I'm okay with that one, too. other spots, interview with the vampire. Oh, come on. Like, honestly, fuck you.

What is the score of that? Does anybody ever mention the score of interview with the vampire? And little women. Again, fuck you. Like, how does Rudy not get a nomination at least? What are we doing? Let me say some. We had a string quartet at my wedding bill, and they played the Shawshank score as my wife walked down the aisle.

So that's up there. I'm going about for that one. I never heard that story. That's amazing. It was beautiful. Did you have bogs eaten out of a straw on the side watching? It was great. Yeah, Hadley was there.

You'd just beat the shit out of all my friends when they got drunk. It was good. But romantic scene. We set the tone for a wedding movie about prison rape. It was good. Like it. And escape. Yeah.

So Goldsmith, no nomination. It's a travesty. This movie was written by Angelo Pizzo and directed by David Anspa, the two guys who did Hoosiers. And a big part of the story is that Real Life Rudy, who spent a whole decade trying to get this movie made about his life and somehow got Pizzo, because he loved Hoosiers.

I don't know if it's Pizzo or Pizzo, but I'll say Pizzo. I don't know. And convinces him to take a run at it. And six months later, he had this script and we were off. So they made it. The movie did not do well. Maybe that was one of the reasons didn't get nominated. $13 million budget made

$22 million. But as we've talked about many times, and the rewatchables, the stuff that came out in that 92, 93, 94 range, I know. The tail you had with the cable and with Blockbuster was unassailable. And this movie went right into that. And by 96, 97, felt like a Pantheon sports movie because it was. You know what's wild too, Bill?

Is that we talk now about like maybe the lack of the really quality sports movies. This movie came out within a matter of weeks of the program. another movie we've done a rewatchable. Yeah. And so you have two memorable college football movies within the span of a few weeks. And the program was a bigger hit. And I don't know why, because it was like the PG-13, like modern version of this. But it was an incredible fall.

I was a freshman in high school. I was in heaven. Not enough college football movies. No. I think we're, I feel like we're late. I know they're probably difficult to do. You got to get the jerseys. Like in this movie, it took them forever to convince Notre Dame to even use.

it so you end up doing that necessary roughness where you're just creating a fake school and fake opponents but um not enough i would say now it's tough to do but i think these movies dropping when they did i think a lot of athletes grew up with these movies i have this this this random personal thing a guy that you're very familiar with chris hogan the old wide receiver for the patriots right i've become buddies with him i was texting him about rudy and he was like dude i watched that movie before every single high school football game I played. Before my first Super Bowl with the Patriots, the last thing I did was watch Rudy to fire me up. And this is like an all-time lacrosse legend and a guy who won rings with the Patriots. He is like, he's like, I know every line. He's texting

me all these, these debob lines. Loves, loves, loves the movie. And he's just like that perfect age where he was probably like a kid in 93. And there's that generation that like it really does it for it. And they don't give a shit that the internet hates it. Chris Hogan, a couple big catches in the 28 to 3 game. Huge. Huge. 711. I was hoping.

Yeah. Roger Ebert. Come on. You know the answer to this? I know a little bit. Yeah. Three and a half stars. Fuck yeah.

Rudy. Roger. Feels like a half star too high. It does. It doesn't feel a half star fat. Well, Raj loves story. He loves character and story.

And this at least had a story. He wrote, in Rudy, Aston's performance is so self-effacing, so focused and low-key, that we lose sight of the underdog formula and begin to focus on the dogged kid who won't quit. And the last big scene is an emotional powerhouse. Raj, I'm surprised. I was, I was bracing for like two to two and a half, but he went big. I think your take of three and a half, being a half star heavy is on. I watched the segment, the TV

segment. And you ever watch one of those segments they do? And it feels like maybe Gene and Raj, like, hit a bar on Rush Street before the show started. And they were just loose. Siskel goes out of his lane to not only like it, but to say it's better than Hoosiers. He likes it better. It's a better. Like that's, Siskel had takes on that show.

Wow. Yeah. Surprised to hear that. All right, we're going to dive into the most rewatchable scene, which is brought to you by Nissan. Find your path in the Nissan, Pathfinder, Rock Creek.

Okay. You know, it's a weird one when, I don't really think, we have a completely rewatchable scene until the 64 minute mark but i i have three that i like i'm going to give like honorable mention let's do it i like when uh best friend pt gets into the fight with frank in the bar great um you know it's coming it happens and then the next scene he blows up and we get sean in the slow motion with the vondon blood sport no reaching forward as Pete's blowing up with some hot water thing.

I kind of enjoy it. Can you believe that he has to work at that steel mill because he's such a bad football player and such a bad student? And he's the shittiest steel mill employee, too. Is it negligence or incompetence? I mean, he basically kills Pete. His one job is to keep the fucking water flowing. He kills Pete.

He's terrible at everything. Come on. I had that in unanswerable questions later. Was he guilty of what's the? that homicide where it's like manslaughter? Yeah, like unintentional manslaughter, whatever that category is. Like, was that possible? It also looks like maybe the most unsafe place in the history of the world.

Like it looks like the final act of Terminator 2. You know those meters? They say like how many days since a workplace and accident? It's at zero. That place is death trap. All the right moves had that too. I think when they film movies and places like that, they're like, do you have any abandoned plants that haven't been used for 10 years?

We need some grit in this movie and some guys. with like ashen faces and like hard work and sweat, cigarettes. So I got that one as an honorable. I have Rudy St. Notre Dame's field for the first time. Hey, we're not supposed to be here. Hey, this place is really something else, huh? Hey, someday I'm going to come out of that tunnel and I'm going to run onto this field. Well, it ain't going to be this date.

And the music's just kicking in and then he gets to see Charles Z. Dutton, who I knew is rock. You weren't a rock guy. not the rock no there's a show called rock right rock yeah he was like a garbage man with a good heart it was on for like seven years and then as rock was on they cast him in rudy and he's charles s dunton's been a lot of good stuff but rudy became the character for them but i like that part also like um and then the next one when uh when rudy goes in the locker room so i have this at the 43 minute mark And he reads the Newt Rockney's speech.

And it cuts to Charles S. Don't get a little choked up. He's smiling. Yeah. Because the other reaction would have been like, this kid's a lunatic. Yeah. But he went the other way. He's like, ah, it's tug my, took my heart a little bit. But the movie starts getting going.

The first real chill scene. Go on. The first real rewatchable scene is 64 minutes into the movie when Rudy gets into Notre Dame. How do you feel about the whimper? cry on the bench facing the water. Are you okay with it or no? A little background on this. I read Sean Asson's book years and years ago about his career,

and he tells in great detail on that scene, he just couldn't cry. Couldn't cry. It's take after take. The director's getting nervous. The lighting's changing. We've got to get this shot. He can't cry. And the director comes out on the last take.

It kind of pissed off and kind of yells at him. And he uses the phrase, what are you afraid of? And immediately Aston started crying right there. He's like, roll, roll, go, go, go. And they got it on the last take. And I still feel like, to your question, I think he's trying really hard to cry.

It's tough, and the camera pulls away quickly. And he's like, oh, well, thank God. You know, like, and then he jogs off. I think it was a struggle that day for Astana. He's great in this role. I think the scene he got it was tough. Because, I mean, I'm measuring him against toy soldiers after Will Wheaton character dies. And I feel like the tears are pretty genuine in that scene.

I don't know. Maybe. That's you, Bill. Like you, everyone's like, oh, Rudy, you sound of a movie. Now, when Will Wheaton gets shot by the terrorist and he really brings it in his underwear in his dorm room, I think you're right. He's better. So much more emotional in that scene.

Even when his buddy dies, he's in the funeral. He can barely work up the tears. Will Wheaton really hit the hardest for him. All right, so 64 minutes in, he gets in. Yeah. Goes to see his dad. His dad gets to, my son's going to Notre Dame. Yeah.

It's pretty cool. And then this whole stretch is just unbelievable because we get. get the one assistant coach lays down the rules. Yep. My job is to basically beat the shit out of you for the next five days. Whoever's still standing at the end, maybe we'll use for our scout teams. I love that guy. And then he does the, uh, and he want to run home to mama, now's your chance.

And then he goes, they're all yours. It's such like, he's basically like, leave now. You might die. And he knew how fucking annoying Rudy was because when the other coach wants him, he goes, Not in my defensive back feel. You want him. You got him. Rudy, I'm going to taking that kid.

That's awesome. Great. I love that guy. So right there we go into tryouts, the theme music, and we get the whole tryout scene. Rudy gets a couple good licks in. And Rudy eventually makes the team. We get the scene. He's the guy, Ron Dean.

He's basically like, blah, and he's like, wait, does that mean I'm on the team? Yeah, kid, you're on the team. I have a question about, I mean, there's so many great. This is such a good stretch. Anyone who's against this movie, there's just no way. if you like movies and sports movies. There's just no way you're not going to like this stretch. Try out or practice scenes in sports movies for football.

I think I have 100% batting average. They're awesome. What hasn't worked? What has been the tryout? I haven't seen Johnny Be Good in a while with Anthony Michael Hall. But even that might have worked. Like Wildcats. Like name the football movie.

Anytime we have the montage of people hitting each other on like kind of a crappy field and I'm just and it's like okay now it's what's that what's the drill where it's just like the one v one Oklahoma yeah the Oklahoma yeah the Oklahoma is Oklahoma ever not worked in a sports movie ever well there's Oklahoma drill where they get up and they're running to each other like in a tunnel and then there's something called bull in the ring and they do all of them in the program and they do it to welcome to the jungle and like that's pornography it's straight porn as someone who likes sports movies but they have a lot of that in the Friday Night Lights show they have a lot of that yes remember the Titans the movie like it's just

It's just a weird thing. Like sometimes the practice sequences are better than the game sequences. They're just so gritty. There's always cool music. But the practice sequence in this are fucking awesome, especially when you know that like Sean Asson was doing a lot of it himself. And I think it makes it better. Right.

Like basketball is not going to work as well. Baseball, no. Hockey, not really. It's because you have violence. This is violence. Boxing, sparring isn't the same. Wrestling maybe gets a little closer, like some of the stuff in Vision Quest, like some of the practice scenes, but not close to the same.

You can't really montage it out. I guess lacrosse would work, but there's never really been a lacrosse movies. My favorite calling card, it happens in all of these. Someone gets the shit knocked out of them onto the ground, and as they're getting up, they get hit again. And that happens in all of them. Oh, it's so good.

It happens really hard. Also, they have the part when the coach tries the poem. It's like, no, coach, I want it. Like, that's almost like a military thing. Yeah. All right, quickie scene. This isn't a total rewatchable, but. Charles S.

Dunton, the kid. You have your dress? I'll be there. I like that. Okay. Next one I have for rewatchable. Rudy gets the shit kicked out of him for three minutes. The left tackle demolishes him, Tony Bisselli style.

And then the next time takes it easy on him and Rudy gets mad. Does he hit me bad? And then he says, if I cool it, I won't be hoping you get ready. And then we go in the parking lot where he says that. and they come to an understanding. And then Vincent Vaughn out of nowhere goes, he's just a showboat, man.

It's all he is. He's at like the 80s. He's like, where did this guy come from? I want to tell you, I was sorry about having to practice today. Don't be sorry. Don't you understand, man.

If you don't cool it out there, you're going to end up getting yourself killed. If I cool it, I won't be helping you guys get ready for the next week's games. Got it? I got it. He's just a showboat, man.

That's all he's about. It's just doing his job, Jamie. You watch the deleted scenes because you rented this on Amazon. There's a bunch more Vince Vaughn, right? Yeah, if anybody listening has not seen it, Amazon, if you rent it as two versions, and you'll notice that one of them is like maybe 18 minutes longer.

And I just clicked on it absentmindedly, just watching Rudy. There's a lot more scenes, and Vince Vaughn's character isn't a lot more. There's one of him in the wait room that I had never seen before with Rudy. And then there's a crazy one where the girl, Mary,

journalist student. Rudy tries to pick her up and it doesn't work. And then Vince Vaughn comes through and is like spitting game at her. And it's the weirdest thing, Bill. She doesn't want to go out with him, but he goes, baby, you're so money. You don't even know it. And it just works on it. It's just like, that's his catchphrase comes through. It's like, Swingers Vince Vaughn shows up. He says this, baby, you're so money, you don't know it? But he has the vibe. But he has the vibe. I'm a producer. No, but she goes out with him. And she goes and sits down with them. And like, I have some questions about where it went that night with those two. It's pretty cool. Wow.

Yeah, it's unbelievable. And a weight room scene? There's a, Rudy is lifting weights with the football team because he gets a fake ID from D-Bob, and he sneaks into the gyms for the Irish football players. So he's lifting next to Roland Steele and Jamie O'Hara, and Jamie O'Hara just is a complete asshole

to him. Why wouldn't they put that in the movie? I don't know. I think it's too long. They could have taken a lot of other shit out, but watch it with the deleted scenes. It's so weird with Vince Bond's in a lot more. Wow. Vince Vaughan. Next one, I have Rudy asked coach to suit up for one game,

and he's like doing this for you, and he said, no, it's for everyone who told me being a Notre Dame football player would be impossible. My brothers, the guys I work with at the mill, they can't come to practice and see that I'm a part of this team. The counter might have been, hey, Rudy, you're 5, 6, and the reason you're not on this team

is because you're not as good as football as 80 other guys, and you sign up for this deal to, get the shit kicked out of you. Now I have to have you run out of the tunnel. Like, who the fuck are you? Yeah. But coach is like, all right. Twist my arm. 60 guys, probably only playing 32 of them. Fine. Already, already, Parcision at that point had one leg out too. Like, he was his, the stress of the job was catching up to him. So I think there was a lot, oh, fuck it. I just want this kid out of my office. Yeah, sure. He was like, he knew he was leaving a week later. It's like, yeah, yeah, you're in coach. Oh, you'll definitely, you know what? In fact, I'll play you too.

you'll start at defensive end. I promise. I'm going to start in the last game, Rudy. The didn't, I just have this written down. Just the didn't make the lineup montage. I had this in what stage the best. I like when we have the montage of somebody not getting something they want. And it's just like, did he get it this time?

Did he get that? He got some good Goldsmith music in there. Okay. I know you have a lot of thoughts on fortune screaming at, at Rudy. So good. Rudy quits. He's the last practice.

This fucking kid. He's been sleeping in a cot and the, you know, hiding for four years, for three years and all the stuff he did. He's going to quit in the last practice. And fortune lays into him. It's just, it's a perfectly acted scene. It's beautifully written. The five foot nothing, hundred and nothing.

That's become, that's a joke. That's a meme. And the best thing about that is this movie has almost no surprises or twist. whatsoever. It is straightforward. Every character is very transparent. You can't do it, Rudy. Rudy, yes, I can. The only, like, original twist in the home leaves, holy shit. Fortune played here.

And not only that, like, there's some racism allegations, and he has a chip on his shoulder and a real character. And it's just a beautiful, beautiful. I tear up every time I watch that scene. It's awesome. I'm sorry, I never got you to see your first game in here. Hell, I've seen too many games in the stadium. I thought you said you never saw a game.

I've never seen a game from the stands. Or a player? I rode the bench for two years. Thought I wasn't being played because of my color. I got filled up with a lot of attitude. So I quit. Still not a week goes by. I don't regret it.

And I guarantee a week won't go by in your life. You won't regret walking out, letting them get the best of you. Yeah, hot take. Yeah, go ahead. I maybe introduce that Fortune part 35 minutes sooner. You could still have all the motivational speech at the end, but then we'd have a better sense of like,

all right, what's this guy doing? Like maybe a scene where they're just in the gym at like 8.30 a night, and Fortune's like, hey, man, you want to have a beer? And then he's like, so why are you in this place? And it just felt like that would have been a good scene we needed in the first hour of a movie that's not that good for the first hour. The deleted scenes have no additional Charles S. Dutton. What you see is what you get, and it's just beautiful.

I also think, Bill, I think that there should be a new category in the Rue Wachels. I think it should be a fortune from Rudy Giff Award about what is the best gift from this movie. That one where he claps his hands at the end. You see that all the time on social media. Yeah, the triple clap with the gloves. You'll see that all. Someone announces like an accomplishment or I got a new show or blah, blah, blah. You'll always see that one.

And it's the best gift from this movie is him and his very limited screen time. That's an interesting idea for a category. The most giffable moment, something like that. I like that. Because almost every movie that is on the rewatchable, if you type it in, there's 50 different gifts. What's the best gift? Best gift from this movie, it's Charles Dut, the Triple Clap. I have another gift that we'll get to later for that.

But we get the amazing speech from Fortune. This is his Oscar moment. He did not get nominated. Right into Rudy coming back. Here comes Rudy. Come on. Do it. Slow clap.

Bill, I got it. So is it, I'm jumping on it. Is it Apex Mountain for Slow Clap? Do you have a slow clap that you like more? Because I know you're like a Samalier of Slow Claps. Is there one you like better than the Rudy clap? I mean, I'm so glad you asked. I have to find this in my notes.

Oh, I jumped on it. Save it if you want. All right. We'll save it. It's somewhere of my notes. I do have a. a slow clap list. Okay, good.

I knew you would. Well, I think the next scene is my number one scene. What is it? The jersey's dropping on Coach Dan Devine's desk. Let's get into it. Come on. Steele comes in.

He's like, give my spot to Rudy. He does a year and all American, act like it. Counter. I am. I believe I am. It puts the thing. Then our left tackle comes in who, you know, who came to an understanding earlier in day with Rudy.

me too coach. And we just get the jerseys dropping. And Chelsea Ross, great job doing the, I'm trying not to get choked up. A really hard thing to pull off in acting. I'm trying not to get choked up subtly, but I'm not also trying to act. Like I'm trying not to get choked up.

But he just kind of does. He's like, wow. It's emotional. That scene is like genuinely emotional. And anyone who's against this movie, fuck you. Because if you don't get touched by that scene, you don't have a heart.

it's the number one lightning rod moment in the whole movie everyone understands he really had a sack but it is a fact that that did not happen they did not do that they did not lay their jerseys down it's completely manufactured it's a cool moment it's totally unrealistic and there's this great quote that uh that dan so we can get into this dan divine the real coach was fucking furious about this shit like that he was not only supportive of rudy plane like a lot of accounts says it was his idea He's completely vilified. He dies like, I think maybe 10 years later. That's how people remember and being like, I'm not fucking playing Rudy.

The idea that he even said, listen, if any player put their jersey down on my desk, they would never get it back. They're off the team. Like he's like, I would not stand for that bullshit. And meanwhile, he just takes the glasses off and cried because it's Hollywood. I know a lot of people get pissed about this scene. Even Joe Montana's like, listen, I was on the team. I wouldn't have put my jersey down. Believe me, I'm not doing that shit.

Nobody would. But it is a sweet moment. in the movie. So you're anti the scene? I can relate to the players that if someone came to you and says like, hey, you know Rudy, right? Yeah, I know who he is. Like, listen, they're not going to play him. Like, will you

sacrifice your jersey? And I'm like, no. I hope he plays and I read the best one. I'm not putting my fucking jersey down. I'm a senior. It's my last home game. No. I like the moment in the movie, but it's bullshit. Maybe I'm a sap. I had a way bigger problem with Steele letting Rudy

lead the team out for the last home game. If I'm still, I'm like, I'm an all-American. I'm leading the team out. This is like the cherry on the hot-fetched Sunday of my Notre Dame career. I'm going out first. I know. It's like, hey, five-foot-six, Rudy, can you go out for us? It's Roland Steele is the nicest teammate in the history of sports. Like, all the stories about, like, what Brett Farr wouldn't do for Aaron Rogers. Roland Steele was ready to let, like, Rudy, like, sleep with his girlfriend. Anything you want, dude. You can have it. I love you, you little annoying sack of shit. He loves him. Anything. Take it. That was a deleted scene where

Rowan Steele sets him up. He got game Rick Fox style with two co-heads. All right, so I like that scene more than you. The pregame, this is the most beautiful site these eyes have ever seen. We get the Dan Devine speech. No one.

And I need no one. Comes into our house and pushes us around. We get Rudy saying, I've been ready for this my whole life and then Rudy had the tunnel. And in the end, which I guess is the most rewatchable scene. We get that they save Rudy's chance to play with the controversial half-back pass for a touchdown.

Ridiculous. By Jamie O'Hare, who hated Rudy 30 minutes earlier, and then we've had no other scene with them, and now he's trying to save him. We get the sack. We get rocks. Charles Sestead and spastic slow clap. The three clap. We get, who's the wild man now?

John Favro, which instantly became an incredible meme. And it's a great chill scene. They lift them on the shoulders. What's better? It's fantastic. We should, I know everyone's out here wanting to see what's bullshit, what's not. The halfback pass is completely made up, ludicrous, never happened. That's one of those tropes in sports movies, Bill.

The football movies are like, hey, let's change the play. Let's get this guy the ball. They do it in varsity blues. They do it everywhere. In reality, there's no scenario where you threw a halfback pass at all. And the only reason they put that in is the closed the Vince Bond story arc about he's a dick and then turns nice. But with all the deleted scenes, it seems like they're working really hard to vindicate

him at the end. And then at the end, he's like, that was for you. And it's like, you fucking hate me. You just screamed at me. It's disingenuous. I don't like it either. I really like the, I really like the scene just as a sports movie because they got the Jerry Goldsmith music in there.

Just a sports movie ending. It's wonderful. It's really good. And then as the years pass and you find out more and more about the movie, it's hard not to separate the actual facts from what happened. You know, where it's, I know. Like even that Joe Montana interview that he did, I think, like, nine years ago, where he just, he's like, yeah, we thought Rudy was like, you know, it was kind of funny.

But I think a couple people carried him off as a joke. And he really, I thought that was the most damage because that was right in the YouTube Twitter era. So when he gave that interview, it blew up. And people were like, whoa, Joe Montana, shitting on Rudy. Yikes. And it changed everything. I think it changed the legacy of the movie of that guy because he was a teammate. He was there.

Montana went on to win a national championship with Dan Devine a few years later, but he said that not only did a couple guys carry him off, the two biggest pranksters on our whole team were the guys that carried him off. So it's a Bronx cheer. It's sarcastic. It's not authentic at all. It's like, oh, this little shit that annoys us, he got a sec. Hey, come here, you little knucklehead.

Let's carry you off. It wasn't this beautiful moment. It is, though, when you put the music on it and have Sean Astin. But in truth, he's like, it was a whole joke. No one took it seriously. He crushed it. what do you have for most rewatchable scene I just think from this

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Prices may be higher for delivery. All right, come back. What's age the best? We mentioned the soundtrack. We mentioned the comedy of seeing based on a true story at the top. In this one, they did, the following is based on a true story. So all bets are up. I mentioned the montages of someone repeatedly opening letters where they get rejected.

I really like. I did not mention yet, dads who say to their kids' buddies in a movie, hey, don't you have your own home? It was like that. I know you really settled it at that point. What do you have for what's age is the best? Because I have a bunch. A couple, I have something similar, opening letters to find out big news.

I have, I have Aston's athleticism and his performance. We talked about this. You know, we saw it. We got a taste of it in Toy Soldiers with some of the sprinting. And we've had so much fun with Segal and his running. Like, Aston looks great.

He looks like a great sprinter whether he's jogging, sprinting, even in the high school scene where he tackles the tackling dummy. I think he's athletic. He's talked about it a little bit that he says, I'm pretty quick and I have a good arm.

So like, he's not afraid to talk about it. He looks good in the scenes. My favorite age of the best, I don't know if this is best or worse, but telling your kids that they can, can't do shit and it's not possible and don't believe in your dreams. We don't do that anymore.

I think it's funny that not every single person in Rudy's life is just there to tell him don't follow your dreams, including the scene in which Ned Beatty tries to make like a buzzer beater at the damn bus stop and shows up with a story about Rudy's drunk grandfather who killed 200 cows in five months. Don't chase your dreams. That doesn't happen anymore. It's everything's possible. You can be an NBA player and an astronaut, just work hard.

Not the Rudegers. They're like, don't chase that shit. And I think it's aged well. I'm with you. I think that's a really good note. In the trophy culture generation we live in now, and we just have to tell our kids how great they are. It is nice to have somebody get slammed.

Don't do that. The Jamie O'Hare persona in a sports movie of the heavily recruited guy who was a huge disappointment. Yeah. And then even when he comes in at the end, the radio announcer, those college radio announcers are usually pretty favorable. It's like there's Jamie O'Hare.

Heavily recruited. Safe to say he's been a disappointment. But I like those. Those characters are fun though. I actually think that has been explored enough in sports movies. I mentioned earlier this speech, but Coach Dan Devine, who ends up winning a real title in Notre Dame,

but his legacy becomes 30 plus years on NBA and NHL Jumbotrons during when people trying to get fans fired up coming out of timeout, the Celtics played that Dan, divine thing over and over again that nobody comes in our house yeah i think that's lasted sports movie shitheads who say to the guy we're supposed to like you're making us all look bad no i love it no better way to say you're a shithead than saying that that john wayne bullshit out

there it's yeah and that guy speaks for a lot of people i had um vince vaughan now i i i i never wrote about this movie but i did make this joke in the mid two thousand's about Vince Vaughn in this movie as this movie aged in the 2000s but he was now doubled down Trent from swingers he was now the guy

from old school so just him interacting with Rudy you started expecting him to just become Vince Vaughn and be like you always doubled down to the 11 it was just fun to see him but now he's been around

for so long it's moved to another Vince Vaughn vortex I do like that a lot of Notre Dame fans hate this movie that's a wood sage the best for me that they just like have virulent reactions to it So the tryout song,

here's the Woods Age the best. It's been used in at least 12 movie trailers as the estimated. Might have been more. It became a go-to movie trailer noise, right? Imagine your score is so good that they're using it to sell other movies that have nothing to do with the movie.

It's that good. And it works. You want to see the movie. You see the Rudy score. Or how about your movie? You're so lukewarm on the movie you're making. Like, what trailer music should be?

Ah, just get that goal. Oldsmith tryout one. We'll just use that one again. Mention football practicing. Oh, here's the Chelsea Ross part. The sports movie, that guy, goat. So he's Eddie Harris, a major league. He's George and Hoosiers, who is a bad guy for 30 minutes and then flips.

Yeah. And then he's Dan Devine and Rudy. That's a, he was also in trouble with the curve. He's also in the Express. So he did five sports movies. But that top three is pretty good. I think he has a small part in the last Boy Scout, too. Like he's,

Right? Yeah, but he's, if we count that as a sports movie, that would count too. But Major League Hoosiers, Rudy is a pretty good trifecta. For me, for me,

it's, it's Major League. It's Harris, the pitcher with the badgersill on his chest. Like, that's a great roll up. You're viewing with Joe Boo.

Yeah. Okay, great shot Gorder Ward, most cinematic shot. Rudy in the corner of the football stadium with the camera behind him. It's pretty good.

Soaking in, it's really good. What else he got? I like they do a crane shot when he's trying to get tickets to the game and they go all the way, up over the stadium.

And the crazy thing is while they're doing the shot, there's a real Notre Dame game going on. And Notre Dame scores a touchdown in the middle of the shot. And they're like, that's fucking, we take it. That you can actually watch it. There's a lot of cars that are like from the early 90s that don't belong in the shot, but who gives a shit? I love that show.

That's a good run. Denisthes Benihano Award, scene ceiling location's got to be the stadium. Yeah. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. You could go a bunch of goldsmith here. But when the final game starts, they really kick the music. they go like decibel 10

like that. Big Kuhna Burger Award Best Use of Food Drink. The birthday cupcake? I try. No? Can you get there? It's that.

It's the hostess cupcake with the match in it or it's just like those pub beers and the classic pub mugs. I don't like those hostess cupcakes. I'll go with the pub beers for me personally.

The Butch's girlfriend award for Weeklink of the movie. We've alluded to this, but Rudy's post-movie life had an unfortunate impact on this movie because he's super annoying. He did a motivational speaker whole run where the motivational speeches were about

how hard it was to get the movie made. It wasn't even really about how he played. He's been very like, la la da da da about some of the factual stuff with this movie. He was charged with security fraud with a pump dump scheme in 2011 where he paid hundreds of thousand dollars.

And then there's NISPN profile 2019 by Ryan McGee. Here's one of the first paragraphs. Rudy is talking about how there's been a backlash against the movie. Rudy's personality is part of the reason. He's best described as likably abrasive. Best described as likably abrasive. Every day in every conversation is a relentless series of motivational stories

punctuated by F-bombs and simplified explanations for missteps. As Jared Donardo puts it, he was my friend and he was a total pain in the ass. he turned this into a one-man stage show. He tried to sell chicken with it. He did a documentary about himself. And he's just done, he's basically milked every ounce of this. He makes Mike Ruzioni look like shy.

And I think that's probably the Butch's girlfriend of this, the real-life Rudy and how he's overshadowed it. Would you agree? Yeah, a couple things to add. People make mistakes. People want to find money and all that. Like when you have the Rudy image, that is priceless. And you can't besmirch that by trying to get rich fast and have SEC issues like that.

But more importantly, Bill, last week and Good Morning Football, we had on Manti Teo, where obviously there was a lot to talk about with Manti. But we're so loosely produced, we can just kind of talk about whatever we want. And I knew we were going to be talking about Rudy. So I asked him about Rudy, like on the air. and he, listen, Mantai said when I first met him, he said it was a little weird

and I didn't recognize him right away and he said something to me about like, you guys got to know your history. Now, Mantai, when he met him, was a Heisman finalist on defense and like the biggest thing in Notre Dame in 20 years. And Rudy's like, you gotta know your history, man.

It's like, shut the fuck up, Rudy. And like, to Manti's defense, he's like, we came to have a good relationship and it's fine. It was just an awkward start. But to your point about the friendly abrasive or whatever, I don't think this is like necessarily Mr. congeniality when he walks in a room from what I've heard.

What stage is the worst? A couple quick ones before we get to all the factual errors. Rudy and DeBobbob, him being the guy who's DeBob's conduit to trying to get a girlfriend or girls. What is that? It's like, here's my tiny, annoying friend. Can you go get me some girls? And then they have a montage where he's just talking to all these different girls.

What's going on? We're in the same jacket. that just smells like B.O. Because he's been wearing it for three years. What girls is Rudy meeting? When he got the jacket, it literally came out of a trash bag that came from the flea market.

He wears it for four years. He doesn't really know if he has a shower in that gardener's shed. That thing stinks. He's trying to like take a girl's bike down the stairs. Does that montage not end with him getting pepper sprayed by some girl on campus? Get the fuck away from me.

I'm not interested. And you were your fat friend. It's a jail cell. I know this is going to hit you hard. What do you got? What's the age of worst? Bad sports movie interceptions. I don't know why we can't get interceptions right.

All the right moves has this too. Steele has the interception touchdown with three minutes left. So bad. This is where like, again, Ringer's sports movie consulting firm is right here. They'll do the interception in a sports movie and they'll just throw it right to the cornerback. It's like even Daniel Jones.

doesn't, well, I guess he's a bad example because he just did it. But for the most part, quarterbacks just don't throw a direct line to the cornerback doesn't stop and just run. He usually has to do something athletic. I don't know why directors can't figure this out. I think it's a hard thing to simulate. It's not just catching. It has to be a timing and you have to catch it at the right point.

This number 21 interception at the end of the game looks very fake. It looks like the Georgia Tech quarterback was point shaving and tried to throw it to him. Yes. Yeah. It's a great point. My guess is they try to simulate it a couple times, so it looks cool. And then, that's a, fuck it. Just throw it right to him.

We got to move on. We're losing light. And then they just do it. Okay. All the liberties this movie took, I'll try to get through this as quick as we can. Yeah, I got you. You mentioned the Jersey's thing never happened and that Dan Devine was actually super supportive of Rudy.

And they're like, hey, we're going to make you a little bit of the villain because decided to get the movie made. He was like, yeah, that's fine. and then he turns out he seems like a shithead. Sal Ron. He said later, quote, the jersey scene is unforgivable. It's a lie and untrue.

Talk to your shit, divine. Joe Montana said it's a movie, not all of it's true. The crowd wasn't chanting. Nobody threw in their jerseys. He didn't get in the ballgame. He got carried off after the game by a couple of teams pranksters. Rudy was the oldest sibling. He had no brother named Frank.

And apparently Frank was just everybody who told Rudy he couldn't do it in his hometown, rolled into one person. Fortune wasn't in person. He was three kind of people rolled into... An amalgam. He's an amalgam character. After high school, Rudy went to the Navy for four years?

Talk about it. Not in there. Nope. Rudy never snuck into the football stadium to sleep. That didn't happen. The admissions storyline was mostly made up. He needed to have four good semesters on Holy Cross to get in. He did.

So the pre-stuff. Rudy was 5-6 but 185. That's a pretty, that's kind of a tank. Yeah, he's built. So he was a pretty good practice player because he was like low to the ground, but he was strong. Sean Ashton, not 5-6-185. And Notre Dame didn't play Penn State for over 70 years until like the early 90s. But they were filming the movie.

They were playing Penn State, so they just said, fuck it and used it. So that's a short list of factual errors and mistakes. There's a lot more if you care about this shit. you can just go online and read about it for 10 hours. Anything glaring that I left out? I don't know if his friend was killed. Did they make that up? Pete?

Is that true? I think his friend died. I don't think Rudy was responsible for involuntary. He didn't kill him like that. He didn't trade the water like in the movie Rudy did? Okay. All right. That's good enough.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubenick Partridge overacting word. Ned Beatty, who I like in this movie, but when he breaks up the Pete Frank Bar Fight, he really dials it up for like five seconds. That's enough! He's just like way too upset. It's like, of course, you're in a bar in the middle of nowhere. Of course you're going to...

Don't nothing ever change? Don't nothing ever change? Kick him out. Was there a better title for this movie? I have one. What is it? I have one, too. What do you got?

Stalking Irish. The stalking Irish. Perfect. What did you have? I was going to say, say take us out, but yours is way better. Take us out. It's good. I like that. Take us out. It's badass. I think they just

gave up and said Rudy, but ironically, in the streaming era where every title has to be one or two words, so you can see them in the thumbnail box. Rudy is like perfect. Got Rudy with a Notre Dame photo. It's awesome. The Can You Digget a Word for Most Memorable quote? Surprisingly, Pete

comes up with us? Having dreams is what makes life more tolerable? Oh, having dreams is what makes life tolerable is the quote. I had that as coach Finstock as well, and I think it's true that having dreams. Bill, do you have a dream of a Drake May Super Bowl? It makes life tolerable? I have a dream that they're not going to play him until week nine, so he doesn't get

killed with our offensive line. We're in no left or right tackle. That's my dream. It's good dream, buddy. Please don't play him until the schedule gets easier. Okay, here we go. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, hottest take a word. I'll let you go first.

All right. A lot of takes on this one. My hottest take is that Rudy's asshole brother Frank was right about everything from the get-go. Rudy had an incredible wife, a home, a job with union protection. He goes to junior college for a few years, makes no friends, has no love life, drains all his and his family's savings, gets his head kicked in, makes it into a sloppy who gives this shit. garbage football game for five seconds in a play that everyone makes fun of.

And he could have done all these things he did after his career. He had a real estate company, a maintenance company without even playing. He got to be in a movie for five seconds, but that movie has caused him to be mocked and made fun of constantly for the rest of his time. And also, he broke up his entire family because Johnny was with his ex. I think if you would have just played and stayed the course, I think Frank is right after all that. The Rudy should have just not followed his dream and just stayed and he would have had a wonderful life.

That's my hot take. it's great i mean the only counter is that it got fortune to watch a notre dame football game again you know and fortune deserve that damn it fortune deserved that moment that was a really good hotest take i don't know if i could talk about outrageous take so you're doing the based on a true story thing and then you're starting to take liberties my thing is like if you're really going to do it just go nuts take a bunch of liberties why not have a scene why not first of all why not work joe montana into the movie i know he's a freshman when Rudy's a senior, why not have a scene where Rudy's like, you're Joe Montana, right?

And just does something that leads the way for Joe Montana to become Joe Montana, where Joe Montana in the movie doesn't have a lot of confidence. And Rudy gives him some sort of tip. Like, hey, Joe, I think you have a lot of talent. Right. You've got to learn how to calm yourself down. Like take deep breath. He's like, I know, I can't. I get anxiety. And Rudy's like, no, no, let me give you two tips and basically paves the way for Joe Montana. and it become Joe Montana. Like, why not? You're making everything up anyway.

I know. Rudy, I was thinking another one where he's in the bar. Rudy creates the college football playoff. She's like, hey, what if we had a system? I just feel like if we had a 14 playoff, maybe, and then ESPN might want to televise it and we'd make money. Rudy creates the NIL. It's like, we should be getting paid for this.

That's a good question. Just have Rudy just come up with a bunch of shit. He's got a big article in the newspaper and he makes a sack. And does Rudy have NIL? And is it with a hopefully like some sort of apparel company to get him a new jacket? Like the 70s version of Fanatics and get him a fresh jacket for that moth-ridden cloth. He needs one. So 1975, Rudy maybe creates ESPN.

He bumps into a Notre Dame fan and is there. He's like, hey, do you ever think of it all 24-hour sports network? But just like keep it going. If you're going to make shit up, just go further. I agree. Draft things, all that stuff. Just make it up. Casting what ifs.

I couldn't find any. and I was like, I can't accept that. So I deep dive, Googled everything. And actually found an interview with casting directors, Sharon by Ali. What's she got? She did a whole thing about her career, and they asked her about Rudy. Sean Astin was not her first choice. You better be sitting down for this, even though you're sitting down.

Can I guess? Let me guess. I bet it was Matt Dillon. Oh, you almost had it. You had the bad? Really? Was it Johnny Drama? there was also somebody who came close to what I really wanted,

which was Matt Damon. That's what she says. Young Matt Damon. He'd really done nothing at that time. He was very slight, but he didn't have the builder thickness. Sean at that time was more of a name. I was young and you get excited.

I really made a pitch for him as well. And they were like about Damon. He's too tall. I was like, just put bigger, taller football players around him. They all talked about it, the kid realization.

Sean was so right for it. You've got to follow the journey. But she said, oftentimes the most exciting audition in the room is not ultimately the best choice for the role that's what I came away with so you're reading through the lines there Matt Damon blew away Sean Astin

in the audition process they could have written in a scene where he takes the letter to his father and says I got into Notre Dame how do you like them apples and I would have crushed at the mill wow that's amazing he was that was super young Matt Damon before school guys

same year as school ties. So he hadn't really been in anything yet. It's an interesting thought experiment. Matt Damon is Rudy. He would have probably been unbelievably good. But he's so much more dashing and handsome and charismatic. So it changes it a little bit. And the stuff with the girls is a little different, I think, too.

Do respect to Sean Ashton. But Matt Damon is the man. He could have had a scene with Jamie O'Hare where he's like, you know how fucking easy this is for me? It's a fucking joke. It's good. He could add a rounder's. Yeah, it's a good what if. Best that guy award, Christopher Reed as Pete or Scott Benjaminson as Frank.

Because I don't know if I've seen either of them again. I'm just still stuck on them. Give that man his jersey. Put him on the fucking dress list. Asshole. I believe I am. We need Damon in this movie. I would have he's ever talked about it.

I've never heard that Matt Damon was going to be rude. I wonder if Damon even knows. I know. It's buried in the internet. All right. Though, that guy, is that what you doing that guy?

I'm sorry. Yeah, Peter Frank. Peter Frank is that guy for you. I like Frank a lot. I don't know who that actor is. I feel like I've never seen him again, but I like Frank.

It really makes me laugh when Frank is drunk at the bar and Pete goes, you know, you used to like Notre Dame football. I was like, yeah, I used to collect baseball cards too. It's fucking great line. His name was Scott Benjaminson.

All right. That's that Scott. Probably should have dropped the son. It's just been Scott Benjamin. All right, we're taking one more break and then do Dionne Waiter's Award. This episode is brought to by Pure Michigan. In Grand Rapids, every moment feels like a scene worth replaying,

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I'll give you Roland Steele, the greatest teammate of all time. Or rarely we do this, but Sean Astin's stunt double for Dionne Waiters. What do you got? To me, that equipment manager is a little bit of the action is the Juice Award, where he's like, I got one line with Mikey from Goonius. I'm so nervous. I can do this. And his line's pretty stiff and weird, but I'm going to nail it.

This is my moment. And he does nail it. I'll give it to him, but whoever you pick, mine's a nonsense choice. that's pretty good yeah i mean i kind of do want to give it to vincent vaughn yeah i know two scenes and they're completely different and it's vince vaughn i think he probably wins yeah uh this one's for you recasting couch director city

i'll let you pick either frank or pete will we'll weton he's back they're back together will weton as brother frank now like a divv he's not doing the mafia accent anymore for toy soldiers now he's like the angry disgruntled jealous brother but I was thinking Will Wheaton is Frank. I like him as Frank because I want to see Will Wheaton do more fighting because we broke down the fight in Toy Soldiers, which is like three six inch rabbit punches. It's really bad.

And the fight in Rudy is pretty bad too in the bar. So we could have seen, yeah, you're right. Well, you can bet on either side of the fight too. Okay. Yeah. What real life announcer would you want for the director's commentary, Romo, Collinsworth, or somebody else? What do you got?

I'm thinking of that last play. Notre Dame versus Georgia Tech. And I'm going with Gus Johnson. Rudy Rudiger, young fella, whole family shits on him, the whole movie off the end. Oh, my man, Rudiger! Oh, that's what I want. I want Gus. Gus probably law of averages would have been calling that game.

Notre Dame, we're here at Notre Dame, Georgia Tech. South Bend, Indiana. None of this shit actually happened. Oh! I like that one. I had Pat McAfee. Oh, sure. Was he going to do?

Guys, I know Rudy's undersized. There's no question, bro. He's small. He's not a big guy. He doesn't have enough size. Physically, he's not big enough. But he's got that dog in him. Just doing that for two hours.

And Pat's, I think he's in Indiana. So he's close by. He's right there. He loves the movie. Half As Internet Research. The story of Rudy pitching that movie all around for 10 years. and then the Hoosiers guys bite

and they start making it. Sell it to Columbia Pictures. The chairman of Columbia Pictures Frank Price leaves. Okay. Movie goes in a turnaround. TriStar comes in late, green lights it.

They have two weeks to do the script and like two days to secure permission in Notre Dame. So it's like this movie really shouldn't have happened. They shot the scene where they carried Rudy off the field at the Notre Dame BC game that year

and all the crowd for the game was there. So I like when they do that. When Rudy's cheering the stands, that's a real game between Notre Dame and Penn State from 92, which, of course, they did not play in 75 or for 70 years. And then your guys in NFL films did all the football scenes. Hell yeah, they did. They look amazing.

Amazing. Yeah. It's those, that Boston college team would have had like Tom Coughlin was the head coach. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? That was actually a really good game. That was the tail end of Notre.

Dame's run from like 88 to 94. Yeah. Apex Mountain. Sean Aston. I think it is. He got roles because of this. I think Insino Man happened because of this. Lord of the Rings was massive,

but it didn't have the offshoot maybe for Ashton that everybody would have liked. I think it's his signature role. I think if he were to pass away, God forbid, I think Rudy is the first thing mentioned. For me, it's Toy Soldiers, but I think for Sean Astin, just in general, I think it's Rudy. But for me, it's Toy Soldiers. He says he walks around still to this day and people will scream at him.

Rudy was off sides. It was just 30 some years ago. I love Toy Soldiers. You know, I love it. I think it's Rudy for him. Yeah, I was Googling. Because I thought I had written something about Rudy and I never did. But in 2006 when he was on 24, I did a mailback thing about Sean Astin on 24 as Rudy with Kiefer Sutheran going up to him.

be like, look, you're five feet tall and a hundred nothing. And I did like a whole fake dialogue thing. So Rudy, really was still carried with the. Apex Mountain for Notre Dame, I'm going to say no. Charles S. Dutton, I'm going to say yes. Yes. And I have to double back.

I think in them for the modern era, I think this is Apex Mountain for Notre Dame football. And let me just make the case. You're right. I have that in there because like from 88 to 94, Lou Holtz, like, no question. This is the 93, football season. They were number one on the country. They beat Charlie Ward's Florida State team a few weeks after this movie came out. It was a huge, huge, huge deal. And it's like,

they haven't really gotten back since. They haven't had a Heisman winner. They've had seven coaches, if you count the one who lied on his resume. I love Notre Dame football, but like this was in a lot of ways the pinnacle. I hope they get back. But this 93 was a massive time for them. What was Rockett's Heisman year? It was the year he lost to Ty Detmer, which fucking pissed me off as a kid. It would have been probably 90, maybe. Yeah. Early 90s, Notre Dame felt like the apex mound. Plus, this movie comes out there in the middle of it.

And then Charles Lest Dunton was on Rock, so definitely for him. Chelsea Ross, I'm going to say Major League. Yeah. Coming off Hoosiers probably leads to Rudy. Vincent Vaughn. I think yes for being Vincent Vaughn in a movie because that was his credit. But Vince Vaughn, I mean, what's age the best, him going to Vince? Like, it's a way cooler name Vince Vaughn.

Vincent Vaughn doesn't sound like an actor anymore. I don't know who Vincent Vaugh. sounds like. An attorney maybe. Or a serial killer. It's just a completely different name. Vince Vaughn is now, I want to see Vince Vaughn in a movie. Ron Dean.

I mean, he's got this infugitive in the same year. It might be it. This might have been Apex Mountain for him. Yeah. And it definitely is. This is the denizens happening or the Renaissance, whatever you want to call it. Him going toe to toe with a bereaved Harrison Ford. And the same year he's going.

putting Rudy through his pace? You're right. Ronnaissance. The concept of all-time centers and touch football. Oh, I love it. I never heard that before, but I think this was Apex Mountain.

If you're an all-time center, you basically have to be like in crutches or like, I just don't know what scenario. Who's going to be like, yeah, I'll be the all. So I just snap and that's it. I do nothing else in this game. Sounds great. Well, he's halfway there.

I mean, he has a helmet on. If you want to hate watch this movie, the first three minutes are really good for you, this little shit is wearing his helmet. Literally the first movie of the film, the whole movie is, Rudy, take that stupid helmet off. And that kind of sets the tone

if you want to hate watch it. All time quarterback happens. You don't see a lot of all time center. I've never heard of all time center. Vaughn Favro movies. I'm still going with swingers for Apex. Yeah. Newt Rockney speeches.

I would go bad news bears breaking training, the second one. I got to be honest. My dad's going to hate this. I had the Newt Rockney's speech for what's age the worst. Come on, boys, we got to go, we gotta go, go, go. I mean, like, it seems.

Oh, why didn't you do that? I always thought it was completely overrated. Yeah, I was not overrated. And when we get them on the run, we're going to keep him on the run. Come on. It was great at the time. Sean asked in crying scenes. I still have toy soldiers.

Have to. Goat. Now, listen, I know there's people screaming about Return of the King and like at the end of the scenes carrying Frodo and like it's beautiful. Like Bill and I are into toy soldiers. That's what we fuck with. It's understand that. Frodo's like a movie?

Yeah, it's a whole deal. It's based on the novel. It's a great... We should do it sometime. Rewatched that. That's that Rings movie? Yeah, it is. It doesn't have the dragons in it.

That's a different deal. King of the Rings? And they have the force and the lightsabbers. It's good. You like it. I always thought one of my kids would be diving into Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. And that's when I would watch all of them. And neither of them cared.

So I might just go through my whole life now unless I drop somebody. You're out. Last Apex Mountain, Wet Blankets, Sports Movie Family members. I still think Paul. Polly in the Rocky series is the apex for this. Like, who was the worst family member than Polly? And then ends up losing all of Rocky's money in Rocky 5, which didn't happen as a movie, but still. I always kind of put that also on Rocky who idiotically decided to take the Drago fight for no money.

Right. Rock, that's a big payday, buddy. I think you want to take that. Terrible job, bam. Okay, Cruz or Hanks? Mm-hmm. You mentioned all the right moves. We've kind of seen Cruz do it a little bit.

I would like Hanks as D-Bob, but I think Cruz has to be Rudy. The only Hank's football we've seen is Forrest Gump. So I don't know. Maybe there's a case. The category gets weird here because technically we're saying this has to be a Cruz movie or a Hank's movie. So if it's a Cruz or a Hank's movie,

you would have to play the lead character. And then Cruz would be the natural choice for Rudy, although he probably wouldn't take the role because Cruz is short. So it'd be like, oh, it's bad for my look. If we were saying what part does either of those guys fit into in this movie? Hanks is as one of the Notre Dame coaches probably would have been good as a Hanks cameo. But I think to stay faithful to what the category is supposed to be, it's got to be Cruz. I think Rudy has a fresh face innocence to him.

And I think that risky business cruise as Joel, like I think he could pull that off. I think it's Cruz. There's a world where he could have played Frank and just been like a few good men style, just a huge asshole. Like in taps? Cocky asso, yeah, or like tap. He could have been taps, Cruz.

Racehorse, rock band, wrestler of fantasy team name. I'm partial to stalking Irish unless you have something better. Wrestler. Roland Steele? That's the name they made up. I play football and on the weekends I do porn. And my son, Lexington,

is going to be in the family business. Because, you know, the weird thing, I don't know if people understand this. All of the other players around Rudy and the movie are made-up players. They couldn't use the real players' names. That's why he's Joe Montana. So Roland Steele was not an All-American Corner.

It's a made-up guy. And the writers chose the name Roland Steele, which is right out of Boogie Nights. It really is. I'm trying to think, like Floyd Gandali, Jack Horner, Roland Steele, Rick Roshelander's, Chest Rockwell, Dirk Diggler,

Johnny Wad Roland Steele Yeah, just dude like Roland Jackson Pickin' Nits Rudy leaves Pete's funeral early He just leaves

Halfway through Irish exit literally Pretty sure that's not how funerals work You kind of have to stay And then walk out The family to support them Rudy's like

I'm such a selfish shithead I'm just gonna leave early Good luck everybody Sorry He should be leaving that funeral In handcuffs by the way He's responsible for it Maybe he left

Because he thought He was gonna get arrested Jamie O'Hare, I put this on the rewatchables Twitter feed, Jamie O'Hare tiptoeing before he gets crunched by Rudy. You do angry runs on Good Morning Football. It's been a staple for you forever. So what's the opposite of an angry run because this was it? We've never seen it before.

Happy runs, gleeful runs, terrified runs. Benevolent runs? Benevolent, charitable runs. Charitable runs. Yeah, charitable runs. We're going to do it for a good cause. The play that Bill's talking to, about this this movie does a lot of good football it's fucking unbelievable that's

Rudy just has a free run at the halfback and Vince Vaughn just like gets the ball he kind of stops he does this tiptoe thing and then just braces for a hit from five foot six Rudy I know it I've no idea what it is um the left tackle starting a Rudy chant he loves Rudy that guy they're in the game Rudy Rudy rudy ridiculous Jamie becoming uh pro Rudy ridiculous. Rudy, here's a good nitpick. So Rudy's an absolute fucking maniac about Notre Dame. He knows everything about it, right? Yeah, it's a fetish. Did no fortune played there for two years? Hmm, good point. Oh, yeah. I guess even he, because he knew, he could recognize guys, like, just seeing him on the street, like, he plays for Notre Dame. There's a deleted scene where he recognizes a guy at the dining hall. So he would know. It's good point. You mentioned earlier running a half-back touchdown pass and a blowout to get Rudy back out in the field. terrible ludicrous and everyone's kicked off the team everyone is involved is suspended or like that's

like the ultimate violation yeah well they run it up on georgia tech and it's it's an old movie thing they do where they ignore that you don't ever ignore the coach's call like that is a death sentence you would never do that but i got a lot of thoughts on and i have a lot of nits to pick about vans pawn as a football player as well let's go i only have one left so go do go nitpick it up it's absolutely preposterous that there is a six foot five college tailback he is so poorly cast in this. He looks like a giraffe out there. And by the way, he's a terrible running back. We see Rudy crush him. He obviously should be a quarterback. The second he throws the halfback pass, it's a fucking beautiful throw in stride. And my hand-in-hand nitpick with this, the RB1 for Notre Dame,

number 33, is ridiculous. He doesn't look anything like a mid-70s football player. He is this big, 250-pound burly guy. He looks like Jerome Bettis's dad who played 20 years before him. It's always bothered me that that does not look like a 70s tailback. He's massive. But Vaughn, like, no, that there's not, the tallest running back in NFL history is 6-4. And it only worked because it was Brandon Jacobs and he was like 280 pounds. A 6-5 tailback in the 70s is so bad. I hate that they did that.

Yeah, I was trying to think other, as you were talking, other tall running backs. It doesn't happen. It's like 6-3 is the max. Oh, no, never, never taller than that. No, usually they're 5-10. Barry Sanders was like 5-9. Even the modern ones, six feet, really at the most.

They should have had Vince Vaughn be a wide receiver or a tight end. It's a fake character. You could do whatever you want with them. I hate that they did that. You know, that's why you're in the permanent rewatchable's co-host rotation

for that. It's just such a great spot. I always knew it bothered me, but I never really dawned on me how ridiculous it was. He just should have been either receiver or quarterback. Parcision is so mad at him.

ERA, you have him playing in the wrong spot. Maybe he does have heart. He doesn't have the body to be tailback. He's completely wrong. If he was wide receiver, You wouldn't have lost the game. Here's my biggest nitpick. Yeah.

So Rudy comes in and they cut to the brother and the dad. And they're like, oh, he's in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Rudy gets a sack. I just think they would be shell-shocked at that point. Wouldn't your reaction be like, oh, that's my son. I think it would be more like, you would probably leave your body for like 10 seconds. She's like, what?

It would be like watching a UFO land. Like, what just happened? I know. And meanwhile, they're acting like, you know, he won 20 bucks and bingo at the fucking sports bar. I don't understand it. They act like they go to every game and Rudy's been a three-year starter and he made a sack at the end of the game. And so they cheer like they would. This is the biggest thing that will ever happen to anybody in their entire family's life ever.

And they just cheer. Yeah. Wildly improbable. They just saw a miracle. Like they're at a work of God. And they go, yeah, Rudy. They needed a little more somehow. I hear you.

sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable two possible sequels one like a black comedy about rudy post movie the real rudy that's like a ruper pumpkin king of comedy kind of black comedy done by some director or a sequel about the kid who lost his roster spot even though he was on the list because everybody did the coup dutatat got rudy in there and that kid just spirals out of control and eventually becomes a serial killer in mid-70s, Chicago. Oh, that's good. I like the serial killer storyline where it goes dark. I would like a sequel of just,

we're going back to the steel mill. I want to find more about the Rudeger's. The fact that his older brother, when he was gone for five months, immediately moved in on his girlfriend of 15 years, is absolutely insane. And I also think, like, she's like, I'm going to go for the brother who's going to run the mill

and is also, by the way, about 18 inches taller than you, Rudy. I'm going to go for him. But I do think I would have liked it to be a better reveal. You know, you have the Mallory Rubin, should there have been a better sex scene? I would have liked Rudy to walk in on them as they're doing it in the scene and just completely traumatize them. Because she had a vendetta. She was out for him. She's like, I've put in my time.

I've done that. I've been patient. And then he just pieces on her. Or she's in the backseat of the brother's car just going at it. Yes. Jack and Rose. Wakes the frost off the window and she's just in there. I wish that happened.

It's so bizarre, but I'll take the sequel. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Traos, Sam Jackson, J.T. Welsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Evil Laughing, Ramon, Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall. I have Philip Baker Hall as the priest, the Robert Prosky part. And Rudy comes in at the end to see, hey, you're going to get me into Notre Dame or not. It's like, Rudy, I like simple pleasures. Like, butter in my ass. Lollapops in my mouth. That's just me. That's something I enjoy. And you enjoy Notre Dame. I'm going to get you in. It's great. I love that dialogue. especially for someone in a priest's outfit that goes well.

That's what I was thinking. It's hot. I have my own choice, but I do like the, I can get you one semester at Holy Cross, and I like to watch people on film fucking. That's just me. That's who I am. No, here's what I want.

I want Sam Jackson as fortune. And it's crazy because Rudy comes and he goes, I quit the team. And Sam goes, say quit again. Say quit one more goddamn time. Am I double dare you motherfucker? Do they speak English and quit? And he does the whole scene with a gun and a cheeseburger.

And it's just really weird out of nowhere. Because it's fucking pissed about quit. I want Sam as fortune. I'm into it. That's great. As much as we love Charles S. I'm signing up for that one. Yeah.

Just one Oscar who gets it clearly goldsmith. Yeah, definitely. Probably in answerable questions. My first one was, why didn't Jamie O'Hare make it? But you just answered it. Too tall. One position. Yeah, not his fault.

We talked about. Rudy's jacket and what it might have smelled like in junior by junior year. Has anyone ever worn the same jacket? Plus, he's wearing it in a hot, medium, or cold weather. So there's some days where it's like 80. Yeah. It's like that thing's like a fire-retarded suit. More annoying for Jason Miller, the actor, to deal with.

The Exorcist Girl or Rudy? Like if you had to rank. Reagan or Rudy? Yeah, Reagan or Rudy in the more annoying co-star rankings. I think that character would rather go another round with Reagan than have Rudy barge into his office one more time. Reagan with the crucifix and all that shit, the bed. Give me Reagan. I don't care. Good question.

Yeah, he literally quit the Notre Dame because he couldn't deal with Rudy anymore. Here's an answerable question. Why did Rudy just try harder in high school? He was dyslexic. Age 13 to 17. Why not? Where was the work ethic? Why did it take blowing up his buddy to make him give a shit?

I hear you. I have one more. Do you have any more? I had two. One, Mary, the person who he's kind of, kind of batting her eyelashes at Rudy the whole time. Do you think she ever tosses Rudy a charity makeout? Do you think like there's ever a time that that,

because she doesn't drink, she doesn't break rules, she doesn't believe in prayer, she doesn't seem like that much fun. I just, there's more deleted scenes of her too. They're always together. Do you think she ever tosses someone just maybe late at night? I hope. It's interesting.

I think once he makes this, team, even as a walk-on, the chances go way up. The fact that she's not drinking at all in the mid-70s ruins a lot of mistake potential. Yeah. I remember at the practice, he's like, don't I know you from somewhere? Like, Rudy's flirting back with her. Yeah, I just feel like she locks somebody down and it's probably future husband, like, yeah, but you're right. Like, maybe like trying to think where that would have happened. It's not like Rudy's having a good time at these bars either. No. But it leads me to my second unanswerable question.

This is a very serious one, Bill, so I appreciate if you take it seriously. Has any college student ever masturbated more than Rudy Rudiger in their college career? I think, let me lay out the case for you. Is he a cot?

He's in the cot room by himself with no TV, no newspapers, no radio or nothing. He's constantly running around all day, recruiting these attractive women. He has this physicality, playing football and all this testosterone and stuff. And he seems to have no friends except for one who himself is the biggest horn dog on campus.

And I feel like Rudy like set a fucking record in there like all time. And I think the answer is no. But I don't want to step on anything you've done. Have you ever done the MasterBetting movie character Hall of Fame in one of your columns? Maybe I miss. I don't think I did it, but I mean, Miggs would have been Michael Jordan from Sons. I forgot about Miggs. All right. I got a list.

I don't know who's next of the list, but Miggs is the goat. All right, let me give you my list. I think you got to do McConaughey and Wolfel Wall Street because he shows up with numbers and receipts just all the time. DeCaprio and Basketball Diaries is like an absolute fiend, like all day, every day. You got our guy, Joaquin Phoenix, as Gary in Parenthood, who's got his bag of videos. And Keanu's like, apparently he's going for a world record. And then my last one, my last one, I. I can't base this on fact.

Our guy, Andy Dufrein, who does 20 years in prison the whole time with a poster of like hot women up on the wall. Not to mention, he does a two-month stretch in the hole. And I think he was in the whole. A maniac in there. So I'm going to put Rudiger in there with that crew. I have two ads.

Who are you got? The guy from, it's an old movie, but it's a famous movie from the 70s, Midnight Express, where the guys are Turkish prison. 10 years. And his girlfriend shows up. And he's like, hey, can you pull a button down and she starts like... She pushes it against the

glass. Yes, just starts spanking it. And then I think the two kids from weird science have to be up there. They were so horny. They created a girl to be like a fake girlfriend. Wyatt and Gary. Wyatt and Gary. That's a good initial list. We'll see what else

people think. Feel free to have fun with that one, everybody. I think Rudy's on the And I have an explanation for it. I gave it. That's a great job. What else is he going to do in there? I had the slow claps, which we've discussed before. Yeah.

So it's Brewbaker was, I think, invented it. That's a prison movie of Robert Redford. It ends on the slow clap. Lucas had a really good one with Charlie Sheen and Corey Haim. Yes. Hoosiers in the locker room. Can't Buy Me Love. Great one.

With Ronald Miller when he, He bridges the gap between the losers and the cool kids. And then Rudy, and I think that's like, that's at least our first ballot. It's probably some others, but those are the five that jumped to mind for me. I don't count the ones like not another teen movie that are making fun of it.

No, you're talking about the earnest ones. It has to be the unironic slow clap. My favorite by far is Lucas. It's in the hallway. It's perfect that he takes the, it's another letter jacket. He opens the locker and the jacket is there for him.

I think that one's, Great. Okay. Best double feature choice for this movie. I'll give you Hoosiers or I'll give you toy soldiers and you can just ask that it up for four hours. Hoosiers, you get a double Jerry Goldsmith. I'm going to, I'm going to, yeah, I'll go Hoosiers. You do basketball.

You do football. I'll do that. Indian Red Soane Award would happen the next day. Rudy was super annoying. I would be my guess. Just on campus. Did you see my sack? Did you see my sack?

Oh, my God. Can you imagine Rudy after the sack? Just insufferable. trying to start a business with photos of the sack. Can you imagine, like, if this was happened now, it would just be the Rudy pod, and he would just tell the story every episode of his, at the sack. And he'd bring out everybody from the sack and the left tackle and the right tackle.

The right guard. Yes. Oh, my God. It's sufferable. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Rudy's Notre Dame jacket that he wore for three straight years that must have smelled. Rudy's game worn in Jersey or a Jamie O'Hare. You could zag with the Jamie O'Hare jersey.

or a Roland Steel jersey or the Dan Devine jacket that had coach Dan Devine on the right pocket, which I thought was pretty cool. What would you got? I'm going to zag. The Rudy jacket is basically a character in this movie. We watch it for two hours. And in five seconds, when Fortune shows up at the end of the movie in his street clothes, he has the coolest corduroy jacket on with a scarf and a hat. He looks like he's on the cover of 1975 GQ. He's never looked cooler. I would go with Fortune's corduroy jacket and outfit. That's what I'm going with. Great one. Coach Finstock will a best life lesson. I have,

you need to have your best friend blow up to realize what you want in life. They have to die violently at your hand and then it just, you're like, I got to go to college. Then you got to chase your dreams. Got to do it. Who won the movie? The finalists are Notre Dame and Jerry Goldsmith. I have the University of Notre Dame.

It is a two hours of Notre Dame pornography and they almost fetishize it how incredible and special it is and it really hasn't quite been the same since. And I say that as a childhood of Notre Dame fan. I think Notre Dame wins the movie. So that's the case why I didn't have Notre Dame winning the movie. Because this is the we as we talked to an Apex Mountain. It's the peak of Notre Dame. Yep. Movie comes out within a couple years the program kind of starts sliding the other way and it really has been the same since. So I don't know what they what they won now it's like oh the glory days when we were awesome it's in a weird way like whereas jerry goldsmith if you're like hey you like that tryout song from rudy i just i just

feel like this is number one on the jerry goldsmith wikipedia i played it before the pod he won 18 nominations and won't but what what really mattered it's rudy he composed take us out you're right goldsmith for the win rest and peace rest in peace just died a couple months ago actually All right, Kyle Brandt, fantastic is always great. We might do one of these in person next month because you might be in L.A. a couple times. We're starting to map out of strategy. I'm going to be in L.A.

We got some movies that Bill and I are talking about. I think there's going to be some, as they say, Bill Bangers only coming up soon. Thanks to Jesse Lopez for producing. Thanks to Jack Sanders and Craig Horlebeck as well. You can watch this on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel if you're still inclined. Thanks for coming out.

We'll see you next week.