The Rewatchables - ‘Running Scared’ (1986) With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan head to Key West to fulfill their lifelong dream of rewatching the 1986 buddy-cop comedy ‘Running Scared,’ starring Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines. Watch this episode on our Ringer Movies YouTube channel! Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Where you can find the watch with Chris Ryan That's right And Andy Groomwald But thank you for putting me first He's in London, right? He's back and forth a lot He's back and forth Yeah

He's like a politician What's going out with that guy My name is Bill Simmons You can watch all the clips of videos From this podcast In The Ringer Movies channel This is our last time In the weird studio

You're getting sentimental Not really. Bigger and better things for us. How many studios have we taped in? We had in the old Sunset Gower place, we had the chapel, we had PS2, we'd PS3. We had your office. There was three. We had my pool house.

That's four. We had my office. That's five. And then this was six. And I think we did a couple in Pod City. We've had seven locations for the rewatchables. Just a pair of detectives looking for our Key West Bar. What was your favorite of all the locations?

I mean, the chapel was the most unique. and also we did the town in there. Yeah, that was true. The peak of the rewatch of us. The happiest I've ever seen you in the 13 years we've known each other. Coming up, we are going to finally do a movie that we've wanted to do for a long time.

Running Scared is next. Let me tell you something. When you've been cops this long, you are not fit for anything else. I can't believe that you missed all six shots. What are you talking about? I hit the windshield six times in a row. I'm the one who made him swerve.

Oh, you made him sweat. Yes, sir. You always aim low anyway. Oh, good, nagging me. Now, nagging is good. You owe me $10 and I never said anything. You want it now? Yeah, I want it now. Oh, now you're going to criticize my driving?

Well, just did you get to do all the dangerous stuff and I get to Parallow Park? I love this job. All right, CR, so we have a yacht rock documentary as part of the music series that's coming on November 29th on HBO and Max. Awesome movie. Really fun movie. I just refuse to leave anybody who wouldn't enjoy the hell out of it. The music's great,

but a big person in this is Michael McDonald. Yeah. And a lot of people, or maybe just me, have always felt that the sweet freedom video from running scared was the official end of Yacht Rock.

Yes. Yacht Rock was holding on for like a year and a half, two years, and then we had this video, and we had the appearance of the movie, and then Yacht Rock kind of ends. Although we didn't know it was yacht rock yet. That's what the docks about.

Nobody knew it was a genre for 20 years until it became a genre belatedly. Yeah, it becomes kind of mid-80s leisure core, you know, like this. Maybe a little weekend of Bernies. Like there is like a kind of a cocktail. We start to move into more of a like, what if we escaped the islands? What if we had a perma beach life? Right. But the idea of like, no, like let's get Steely Dan and let's get a bunch of cocaine and just kind of have a night.

That kind of disappears. Well, this all made sense in 1986 that we would have a movie with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hines as buddy cops in Chicago and that the crucial scene in the movie would be a Michael McDonald, Key West scene. I swear to God, it made sense in 1986. It's still hitting 38 years later in the same way.

I love this movie, but then when they go to Key West, it's like, oh, my God, this is going to be the best five minutes of my life. Yeah, it's, in my mind, this scene and this part of the film was like half an hour. Or 40 minutes. What is it? Like four minutes? It's like four minutes long.

It's like they go there. They basically fall in love with the place. Then they're like, oh, we got to go back and get Julio. They meet hot girls left and right. They learn out a roller skate. They open a bar. They're putting up in like Cam Thomas numbers. And then, but yeah, when you watch this movie, it's basically a pretty by the number

Chicago cop movie that's very entertaining because of the chemistry of the two detectives. But it has this weird wanderlust with this Key West sequence that comes. kind of makes the entire movie sing. And it's also like a different movie. And maybe a movie I would have wanted more as much as I liked Running Scared. I'm totally fine with them just being in Key West, running a bar, and then like getting involved with criminals. If I just showed somebody who'd never seen Running Scared, that sequence of Key West, they would

be like, this is a movie about two guys who were in love who moved to Florida to open a bar. If you just see Billy Crystal pouring beer all over Gregory Hyde. This is like half-naked body. You're like, oh, yeah, this is great. This is like, call me by your name, but with a bar. The 80s are very homerotic. The bigger thing is this is a buddy cop maybe during the first heyday of the buddy cop's buddy-cop era, which started with 48 hours.

Beverly Hills copy count. Running scared. Steakout. Lethal weapon one and two. I count Turner and Hooch, even though Hooch was a dog. Yeah, well, you need to get into the technicalities of this a little bit. I count Hooch. Okay. That's buddy cop to me.

It's two cops trying to get together. One just happened to be a sloboring dog. And then Tango and Cash, that's all in the 80s. And then we move into, like, you, in the 90s, Bad Boys is the first kind of return. Younger brother of these movies where it's like, hey, everybody love those movies. Let's put Will Smith and Martin Lawrence together.

And then, you know, we get rush hour with the other guys, 21 Jump Street, the heat. Like, it's a recurring theme. But what are your favorites? Give me your top four or five ever. But there's like, there's a rushmore of this stuff. It's like, you know, 48 hours. I think lethal weapons in there.

Yep. Which one or two? I would go two if you're talking about pure comedy, which is where I feel like you're kind of taking this. I think it's two for lethal weapon because they really, and we did that and we watched Mozart. They really had figured out the characters and the comedy and the balance. Yeah, because Mel Gibson spends most of the first one in a state of suicidal despair.

So it's a little bit of a different vibe than two. See, when you first asked me this, I was also thinking beyond comedy, you can go into training day, you can go into Miami Vice Michael Mann. You can go into... I mean, we could be sure, I went to ready to do Audubal

and just do Miami Vice. I'm ready to do it right now. And then I was also asking you whether or not you would make allowances for ex-cops who are now detectives or doing what, like... Yeah, it's Midnight Run and Buddy Cop movie. I think it is.

I think Jack was a former cop. I think there are lots of cops in it, and they are, are buddies eventually. Can we say it's buddy cop adjacent? That's fine. Yeah. So maybe Turner and Hooch is buddy cop adjacent too, because it's a dog.

This to me is the ultimate buddy cop movie because the crucial twist is these guys are best friends and they just love each other. Yes, because most buddy cop movies are opposites attract. Yeah, it's like, I don't like this guy. Wait, I'm starting to like them. Oh, now we got to work together. Even bad boys. It's very adversarial the whole movie.

This movie is like, these two guys just love each other. They have each other's back. They make jokes. They're always on the same page. They're way more than they love the women in their lives. Right, right. That might have been why the divorce happened. But I think for me it's 48 hours, lethal weapon two, running scared.

And I would probably put bad boys the first one. Okay. I think that's my four. So what's your rush one? I think I would go to just mix it up, 48 hours, lethal weapon two, training day, the nice guys. Oh, interesting. Crow, Ryan Goggler movie. Got a lot of requests for the nice guys.

It's so fucking funny. You like that movie, Craig? I love that movie. All right, it's on the list. Maybe we'll do it in 2025. Okay. If the feed keeps going, we'll do it. Nice guy's almost famous double feature.

And then I probably go, vice. Vice. Yeah. See, I don't think that, I think you have to have a humor to have a be a pretty cop movie. I'll do Midnight Run. I'll take my Midnight Run. Because if we're just doing cops, then that opens like French connection and like we're in This whole other universe of cops.

Okay, so 48 hours to, sorry, 48 hours, lethal weapon two, the nice guys running scared midnight run. Those are my five. Well, midnight run counts. That has to be. And so maybe it's those four and then midnight run. It's like the six man off the bench because it's not necessarily a buddy cop. I think the two that have to be on there are 48 hours and lethal weapon too.

Yeah. They have to be on every list. Both of those exemplify what you're talking about, which is that do these. movies basically succeed because the actual point of watching them is to see these people become friends rather than whatever the case is. Like, you and I have watched Lethal Weapon 500 times. We know about, like, in Lethal Weapon 2, the South African bad guys and Lethal Weapon 2. I always forget who the bad guy is in running scared until I'm fired it up and start

watching it again. It's like, Smiths. Yeah, but the plot is kind of this like opaque thing where you're just like, oh, they're just chasing this guy all over Chicago over. and over and over again. And it's because the fact that you don't have to worry about whether they're going to become friends, I think you almost concentrate more on the crime part of running scared.

Yeah, and the chase scenes, all that stuff. A couple big elements. I mean, Chicago is used incredibly. We'll get to that later. They're catching two guys at a perfect point in their careers. I want to ask you about this. Which I think, like, 48 hours catches Eddie at the beginning of the, you know, the apex, the five years.

years of him flying as close to the sun as you're going to get as a comedian. And then Noltey at a really good stage of his career, too, right as he's starting to become a cranky, older drunk, but he's still handsome enough, but now he's got some baggage. This movie has Crystal coming out of S&L when he was the star of the 10th season of S&L, when they did like the All-Star cast. And he's in there for one year, and he goes from being a comedian that everybody liked who was on soap TV show from 50 years ago to, becoming like a real star, like a comedy star

that made you want to know what his movie was going to be. You knew the movie was coming halfway through that season and this was the movie. And then Heinz, I think people really like Heinz. I actually, we can talk about this now or later. I don't know why he was in a bigger movie star other than I don't think there were like a ton of black actor parts. I think that's really the reason. That was a big draw for him for this role. Yeah.

was to get to play, like, a fully fleshed-out character, get to have sex with women and make jokes and be an equal partner and a partnership with a white guy. Make a 20-footer in Chicago Colt. Yeah, so Gregory Hines, he makes, he's a tap dancer. He's like this great dancer in real life. And he's in History of the World Part 1, Mel Brooks. A movie that I love, I don't know if it's age, probably great.

I've seen it a long time, but yeah. It might have to be in what's age the worst month. But he was a replacement for Richard Pryor, because Richard Pryor had the free basing accent. Richard Pryor was supposed to be in that scene, so Hines is in it. And he's really good. He was supposed to be in 48 hours

and dropped out because he got this big part in Cotton Club, which was the Coppola movie. Everyone thought it was going to be massive. It wasn't. And then he was in White Knights. With Beresnikov. Beresnikov, which was a kind of a big deal movie in 1985. It was a big deal.

He was in a movie. I didn't love it, but it was a thing. And then running scared. but it never really 100% happen for him. So why? Is it just as simple as there were enough parts for black actors? I think it probably comes down to that. There's, it's funny, if you just watch this movie,

you would think that he'd made 10 other movies like this, though. He seems very at home doing this kind of like city... Wisecracking action. Yeah. He seems very comfortable shooting a gun and running around and making jokes with Billy Crystal. And that was the thing that actually, I think really, like, it's sad.

His comic chops are kind of on the level of crystals in this movie. They're doing this funny thing where Gregory Heinz being a dancer you would expect him to be physically capable. Crystal is cut.

Like Crystal like when he takes a six pack. My wife noticed that. She's like, Jesus, Billy Crystal. Yeah. So there's like almost this weird like if you project forward

could Gregory Heinz have done a bunch of Danny Glover Denzel Washington rolls and could Billy Crystal have done more of the like masculine Tom Hanks' rolls of the 90s? if like things had changed, like broken differently.

Like it's, they all, they wind up going on these separate paths and never really doing something like running scared again. Yeah, Crystal has that SNL season. He's second billing and running scared. Yeah. Which speaks to like he was a TV star that nobody knew if he could carry a movie yet. It's Princess Brad, throw mama from the train. When Harry met Sally, it blows up and then city slickers.

And that's all from 86 to 91. He's hosting the Oscars by then and becomes like a plus list Billy Crystal. never did another cop movie like this. Yeah, he's like, but also the things that he gets famous for like being a nebish guy who wears chunky sweaters. And in this movie, he's like, I like the cubs, I like women drinking beer

and like having police involved shootings. Well, I had this later for the, for the hottest take. I'm just going to do it now. They left so much money in the table with this. I know. I know. I just don't understand it.

I don't understand how there weren't four of these. Because first of all, this movie did pretty well when it came out, but then it was just on cable for five straight years. And everybody loved this movie. And everybody, and Billy Crystal got bigger. And it's a little like, at some point it's just common sense. Like, let's run it back. Like, Lethal Weapon did this.

He got so big for a different kind of thing than Running Scared that he didn't want to go back and do Running Scared. You know, I don't know if anyone, I've never had them on my podcast. I would love to have them. I don't know whether he felt like he was becoming like family-friendly Oscars guy and didn't want to do another movie where he had like guns and R-rated movie with bad guys.

It's the only thing I can think of. Because Danny in this movie is like the polar opposite of the guy he plays in City Slickers. Oh, yeah. I'll go further. I don't think he's ever played a guy remotely like this again. I mean, this guy has nothing in common

with any other character he played. It would almost be like if Ben Stiller was this guy with Danny Costanzo. Yeah. And then just like never anything again like it. They kind of, so this script was a screenplay that had been written about, like, two older cops who really want to retire. Yeah. And it was supposed to be kind of like these grizzled guys at the end of their careers.

In New York City. And so maybe the reason why this whole thing works is because it wasn't like written for Crystal. Yeah. It was, here's a script. Here's an idea. We're going to make these guys younger. And then obviously when you watch it, whether it's like improvised and then written or improvised on the set, like, so much of the dialogue seems like. like it's just coming from these guys.

Yeah, and you could feel it. I don't know if they filmed it in sequence, but it feels like it does. And you can just feel them getting better with each other as the movie's going along, which I think 48 hours had that too. Bad Boys definitely had it. Lethal Weapon 2 definitely had it.

Like the more the guys spend together, if they time spending together, if they like each other, you start to feel it in the movie. And we've seen a lot of movies where they throw the cops together and you don't have that. Absolutely.

It's like, ah, I'm not sure why this didn't work. Also, you know, in those kinds movies, you can at least be like, well, these guys, the characters don't like each other. So if the chemistry is not perfect yet, that's fine. In this movie, these guys have to be best friends from when the movie, from the first scene, from the title sequence. They're like, we spend all of our time with each other. I walk in when this guy is having sex with a woman with donuts.

Like, that has to be like. Yeah, you've known each other for 25 years. It's like in fantasy. That's right. When you walk in on fantasy in Coedis. Yeah, so we had, I think Bad Boys was. the younger brother. And then we had that whole era

with the sons of these movies, which I think the other guys is in there. Nice guys. 21 Jump Street definitely is inspired by both the 80s plus this. The heat, I think, is really good. It's on the rewatchable list.

The movie's kind of underrated, actually. I think it did well. It's good, but I actually think it should have like a second tail. The heat also has like a really good YouTube channel. It's basically like all the bloopers and stuff from the heat.

It's kind of like Eggerman where it's like almost as good as the scenes in the movie. This movie has another big picture thing. The aspirational bar thing. There we go. Which is core to your character. Your beliefs. These guys are, they're in Chicago.

It's freezing cold. They're getting shot at. They're dealing with all these scumbags and low lives. And they both have this epiphany. Like, why are we doing this? Yeah. And they go to, They go to Florida, they go to Key West.

They take Aunt Rose's $40,000. Yeah. And they have this great time, and they're looking at a bar, and they're like, bar for lease. Why wouldn't we could just live here, and this could be our life. And he talks Gregory Hines into it. And all of a sudden, they're at the bank, and you're just like, yeah, guys, why don't you just do this?

Like, get out of the Chicago life. I haven't seen a movie like this really asked that question. No. Like, why are we doing this? Why am I putting my life on the line for this asshole detective For barely any money I'm gonna get replaced by these two younger cops that are You know just gonna take my spot like what's the point

I think that if they had just stayed in Key West This is like one of my ten favorite movies And they open a bar and then Gonzales comes down And it becomes like he sends guys to torture them I'm gonna make the keys into my like major cocaine highway That would have been awesome yeah It's basically like, it is cocktail for like five minutes in this movie. And you're like, I just want them to stay here and hang out.

Right. When Cruz, when Flanagan's in Jamaica. Yeah. And it's just like this one part of the movie, but it's the best part of the movie. And it's also the part of the movie. You're like, this could have just been the movie. Yeah. I don't know if we needed the before or after.

Obviously, we did. Shout to this movie film, though. For the most part, I think the most used location in this film is that bar in Chicago that they're in. Which I feel like I've seen in 40 other Chicago movies. Yeah, and it's like all these things that are very like old bar like hot peanuts and you know, everybody's drinking like

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This crazy run Chicago has in the mid-80s with movies, which came a lot from, like, I think the mayor and they're trying to get people to film there and make money from there. But just in the mid-80s, about last night, running scared, code of silence with Chuck Norris, a movie that I support. And the moment you text me and like, let's do code of silence, I'm in. Ferris Bueller, would you count Uncle Buck? Yeah, I would count the Hughes. All the Hughes movies, like suburban Chicago universe.

But Ferris, definitely. Adventures of Babysitting, Color of Money. Yeah. Above the law, it was Segal. Mm-hmm. And the untouchables. Yeah. And there's like 50 more, but those are like the big ones.

and they're all filming in and around Chicago for like four years. I would say you could even say it starts with Thief in 81. Yep. And it goes to the Fugitive. Well, it starts with Blues Brothers. Blues Brothers and Thieves. And it goes. Blues Brothers and Thief all the way through the fugitive.

It has this crazy, crazy, amazing pop culture decade in Chicago that that just goes away. Yeah. It's not just the city. It's in the suburbs around it. Risky businesses in there. It's all over the place. And I don't know what happens. It just is a great architectural city.

Yeah. And it's so distinctive. And the best part about this movie is how they use Chicago as a playground. Like there are shootouts and scenes in places where you're like, why are they at the convention center? You know, like, why are they at the Illinois State Capitol government center? But it looks. They're driving on the tracks. Yeah.

It's all the stuff with the L is awesome. Yeah. Chicago also is that great, that overhanging subway where when there's shootouts, you kind of always know where you are in the city. I think Boston used to be like that. It's a little, because they got rid of some of the over... Some of the underground... Yeah.

But it's pretty cool when you kind of know where you are. There's that great airport chase as well. So yeah, Chicago, Ferris probably still is the number one. Sure. How it uses downtown Chicago. But I think about last night,

start to finish is like an amazing Chicago movie. There's also something about the fact that they do it at winter and winter in Chicago. Like, there's something very funny when those. guys take their pants off and they're both wearing long johns they brought in foam to like make snow because they clearly wanted to have winter in that city to to be a huge character in this we didn't do about last night why haven't we done that i don't know i went on roblo's podcast did you

really slash show a couple days ago to promote the yacht rock thing it's not out yet and i just like immediately turned on him i just started asking about 80s movies and how about last night created rom-coms Was he wearing the NFL hat? No, he wasn't. But it's like about last night really did create the wrongcom. Is he still proud of all those movies and stuff? Oh, yeah. I don't know if he's proud of Hotel New Hampshire.

And I think there's maybe maybe one might have taken that one back. Yeah. But all right, a couple other people in this movie. A couple. Joey pants. Yeah, a snake. We named the that guy category after Joey pants. But then there was like a backlash because he's definitely Joey pants.

Yeah. I don't know. Maybe we have to come back. with the name, but this is his 80s run of Midnight Run, risky business, Eddie and the Cruisers,

and then eventually fugitive and bad boys and he becomes Joe Pan and Leano. At some point, I don't feel like in running scared he's Joe Pan and Leano yet. He's that guy who is Guido the Killer Pimp.

The all-time 80s hood is like snake wearing his like second-hand overcoat and his like red mohawk. With like some sort, yeah, some sort of color at the top. Were you excited to Joey Pants, Craig?

Always am. Love him. All-time grimy dirtbag. Were you expecting it? I'm always expecting Joey Pants in the 80s movie. If it's in the 80s, you just have to assume he's coming. So he's great in this. I know you have some Darlane.

Darlane Flugel, one of the worst names of any leading actress. As Anna? Darlane Flugel, but she was in your beloved to live and die in L.A. She sure was. Yeah. She was in this. She was in season one, a crime story, the Michael Man TV show,

and then everything peaks and lock up with Slice Stallone. Yeah. But pretty short run for Darlane. But she, I mean, it's like, she came through the league and she set it on fire, and then she just retired early.

It's like Andrew Lush. She looks great. Yeah. If her name is, if her name is Julia Roberts, is she in like 10 more years of movies? I think that she does not have, like, the screen presence of, say,

of Rebecca D. Mornay. Well, I personally really find her very charming. Yeah, she's charming, not like super... But she is not like magnetic, where it's like I have like a ton of like on-screen charisma, you know. It's probably the run she should have had. But it's a really, it's a run that I appreciate and I have no idea how to say her name.

The music video. Yes. Is a crucial part of this movie. It was on MTV all the time. Michael McDonald's. I encourage people to watch it. Michael McDonald actually is in scenes. I think they flew him down there

when they were filming the movie. He's in, like, Crystal Hines stuff. Those guys are overselling it. And it's kind of when they learned how to market a movie with a music video right around here. This is a thing that definitely was a huge deal in the 80s. It goes all the way up through, like, Terminator 2, where you have somehow, like, the movie bleeds into the music video, but it's unique to the music video footage. So in the music video for Sweet Freedom, Heinz and Crystal are like, oh, we got to. a postcard from Mike down in Key West.

We got to go visit him. It's like a whole other narrative. And yeah, you were wanting to make the Yacht Rock connection. This is the first movie I thought of when you were like, we got to do a Yacht Rock movie because it's like explicitly broadcasting. Like, this is the vibe of this movie. It's a hangout and it's a party. I'm going to read our exact text chain as we were trying to figure out what to do with the rewatchables. And I texted you.

There's a lot of Embedeed tweets. I think you were like, were we too hard on Embed in the pod? And then I sent you the tweet about Joel Embed's doing a mole hunt. Yeah. Well, you also texted me. I was Googling the long-term effects of Bell's palsy. It was a text from you. So I texted, was trying to think of a good yacht rock movie because the doc comes out next week.

And you just texted back, running scared with an exclamation point. And my text back was, oh, yeah. That was easy. And that was it. That was how we landed on this one. Directed by Peter Highams. Written by Gary DeVore and Jimmy Hustin. I don't know who did the music video.

McDonald talked about after how he was super uncomfortable filming it. And that's a little bit of what our yacht rock doc is about is. Yeah. Those guys were having a great run and then music videos when you have to look good and you have to be actors and videos. And those guys are like, what do I have to do? Yeah, those guys were session cats. Yeah. They wanted you to listen to their music.

You know the same way about pods going to video? Right. That was when we were trying to get you to be on video for the first time. No, man. It's all about the audio fidelity. You really are the Michael McDonald of Pod. You're going from pod to pod. I wish I should start like a Steely Dan type thing where I just keep firing Andy.

Replacing with a session podder. No, agree with me more. Yeah. The budget, don't know what it was. No record of it, but it made $38.5 million. So I'm guessing he made money. 26 biggest movie of 1986. You mailed me, or you texted me,

a list of movies from 86 that were all in the theater at the same time? This is the weekend that Running Scared came out. Go ahead. Rattled it off. Okay. Number one karate kid part two, top of the box. Saw in the theater.

Back to school. Ronnie Dangerfield. Some of the funniest scenes of the 80s. Legal Eagles, so we get a little Daryllana. I liked it. Yeah. Rufeless people. Solid.

Running Scared. Amazing. Top Gun after being out for however long. Released Top Gun. Great. Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Awesome. Labyrinth.

Bowie. I didn't like that one. American Anthem? Oh, yeah. Mitch Gaylord. The gymnast? One of the six worst sports movies of all time. Jana Jones is in that.

Really? Yeah. If we ever do worst sports movies ever month. American Anthem. American Anthem and Jim Cotter are two of the four. I love you knowing that that's one of the six worst sports movies of all time. Absolutely one of the worst movies you've ever seen. They were trying to capitalize off his 1984 gold medal.

So he's playing like, his name's like Mike Gason. Yeah. His name's like barely different. And he's like a guy. He could be, it's like basically a Tom Cruise part. Sure. His own worst enemies himself, but he's got so much talent and his girlfriend believes in him. And Jana Jones is the girlfriend.

That's how she became Janet Jones. American Anthem, number 10, cobra, number 11 short circuit. There are 11 movies in the theaters that you would basically be like, I'll see that this weekend. So we've done four of those on the rewatchables, and I don't know why we haven't done back to school yet. Yeah. I honestly don't know. I mean... You know Back to School, Craig?

Rodney Dangerfield. He's a... It's a movie that would be... We actually should do it because it's about... He's this rich guy who decides to go back to college so he can get a degree, so he'll be taking... making more seriously, and he just does offensive rich guy stuff for two hours. You were asking for Ringer Movies video ideas. First, for Body Double, we came up with you start going to acting classes to fuck with people.

You should go back to college. Yeah. If I'll go back in another master's. That'd be great. I'll go with them. We could room together. We're starting to think about colleges next summer, next spring. Roger Ebert, three stars.

He liked it. Running Scared is yet another movie about. street smart cops who are best buddies wise cracking their way through one hair raising situation after another. I just want to pause there. Settle down, Raj. There was only like three of those. It wasn't like there was a slew of these coming out.

And by the way, more should have come out. So settle down, Raj. This genre is so overpopulated, again, settled down. It hardly seems like we need one more example. And yet, running scare transcends its dreary roots. It turns out to be a lot of fun. Most of the fun comes from Heinz, Crystal. In his review for the times, I think, Vincent Camby says the same thing much more negatively,

and I think was referencing the fact that there was a ton of this stuff on TV, too. So he's like, you'd be better served staying home and watching Cagney and Lacey or Miami Vice. So maybe that was the issue is that people were ripping off 48 hours with TV shows, and that's what people were not responding to. All right. Today's most rewatchable scene brought to by the Home Depot. spread more joy with the Home Depot's giant holiday decor and make your home something that people want to see again and again and again.

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Come on, the Home Depot. Or an eight and a half foot towering reindeer with illuminated flashing bells, I would have that too. The Home Depot for a real blockbuster holiday season. All right, rewatchable scenes. I mean, this movie starts with a pickup basketball scene where people get punched and then there's a chase.

What else do we want? What else do we want? Do we get no autopsy, no foul? I think Billy Crystal created that. He sees a Mercedes and a bad day. It goes, Mercedes is a probable cause. Good line. We get a chase scene with Snake, Joe Panoliano, who's carrying 50K.

And then we get, we just have to have Craig play this whole thing. Crystal, it's like, they do the move. This is one of my favorite action movie comedy moves of this guy has something. And instead of us bringing him in, we're going to get him in more trouble. Yeah, we're going to leave him out to dry in the neighborhood. And he basically tells everyone, hey, this guy is $50,000. This block is being designated a neighborhood. What's he doing?

Rich people make him crazy. There's a guy up here named Snake. He's wearing garage sale clothes, and the top of his hair looks like a parakeet. He also has $50,000 in small bills in a briefcase. As his neighbors, it's your responsibility to make sure there are no suspicious characters or evil perpetrators lurking in the area who would seek to do him harm. Again, $50,000 in small bills tax-free in a briefcase. I cannot leave this podcast without asking you this question.

Yeah. What's the coldest weather you've ever played pickup in? I think it's so seriously. I really appreciate the question. It's like, what's your stance on fluoride and drinking water? It feels like... So pickup? Outdoor pickup, shooting around, shooting by...

I don't think this cold. I think shooting by myself, definitely this cold. Do you know how much these guys fucking love basketball? Do you know what I mean? To be out there in 28 degree weather? In Chicago in the winter to be shooting hoops? My issue is there's no way the court wouldn't have like ice patches and like terrible things that could happen. Do you think this is just the power of, would this be rookie Michael Jordan?

Second year, Michael Jordan. And he's just sweeping Chicago with basketball fever that they're keeping warm with Air Jordans. This might honestly be Apex Mountain for Chicago. They're filming all these movies and Jordan's about to be like a rocket ship. And Crystal and Heinz are basically spending the entire time promoting the socks and the Cubs. Yeah. Yeah. This is a great scene.

Also, I like for a short scene, Snake in the police lineup next to the four cops. That's him. That's the one. Snake gets killed. Tough one. That's where the movie kind of takes this weird turn. Oh, I guess we're going to shoot each other in the head with Uzi's. It's like, oh, this is rated at our.

Yeah. Okay. He makes a Colombian necktie reference, too. the entire Key West sequence, which I can't believe how many categories this swept. I'm just going to all do them now. Yes. The Kid Cutty Pursuit a Happenus Award for Best Needle Drop.

Duh. Great Shot Gordo award for most cinematic shot, The Sunset. I mean, you go like multiple. Yeah, I mean, what about Great Shot Gordo for the matching tits t-shirts that they're... I mean, you can do that. I had that for Fortune 3 Klapp Award for Most Giffable Moment. Denna Thieves, Benihana,

a steam steenstilling location key west yeah i had the illinois state building but but yes it starts out with we're watching the sunset with like the most gorgeous blonde possible yeah and christel just a unspoken now this one's for you and hines they do like a little switch but then later two white girls on the boat which was a big deal in that yeah i by the way i should mention van lathan we always said we would do this with him he's devastating He should be here. He's in New York City this week. We realize we want to do this for the Yacht Rock Dock,

and we don't have Van. I think Van would have had a lot of thoughts. Yeah. But yeah, I don't remember seeing that, you know, in a movie like this, first of all, Gregory Hines getting laid, which I had for Woodstage the best, because they were always careful with that.

Multiple times, yeah. Yeah, he's just all types of women for Greg in this one. But we have them on the Honda Elite scooters. With the quick cut, every time it cuts, they have different girls on the back of the scooter. Little known fact. Those Honda Elite scooters, the exact one that I crashed 40 miles an hour and almost done.

Yeah. Did you? So what injuries did you walk away with? A lot. Really? Yeah. Oh. Yeah.

It's fine. I'm here now. The boobs t-shirts and the roller skates. Danny talks Ray into buying a bar. I feel like it would be this easy for you. For like you just, if you were just like you want to buy a bar? Yeah. Like we were just next to a bar that had a lease.

And I was like, should we buy this? I think about this three times a week. Yeah. Promise me we will get robbed a lot. Roller skating out of the bank. Every piece of this, I think it's one of the most perfect four minutes of the 80s. There are three things that you've already forgotten. Gregory Hines's Walter Payton, Jersey.

Right. Jacked Crystal. Yeah. Like completely jacked crystal. Six-pack crystal. And the fact that these guys never seem to hook up with women alone. They're always having kind of like a group sex situation. Yeah.

Yeah. Did this movie create swinging? Important question. Is it time to retire the Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Award and rename it the Michael McDonald's Sweet Freedom Award? Yes. What do you think, Craig? My generation says hell no.

Yeah. Well, we do have to appeal to the younger kids. That's right, the zoomers. The kids love Kid Cuddy. Yeah. Yeah, all right, fine. The little kid lead in them the Gonzalez. I like that scene.

I like the whole apartment building shootout is awesome. Ablo Smith and Wesson. Put your guns down. You're under arrest. No, Iro English. Oh. Ablo, Smith, and Wesson? You have the right to remain dead.

Anything you do will be used against you. You have the right to a coroner. If you cannot afford one, we will appoint a medical examiner for you. You have the right to a coroner. Crystal's got great lines this movie. If you can't afford it, we'll get you a medical examiner. Really good.

really good stairway chase scene throwing the pants. I enjoy all that. We have an airport chase scene where this movie becomes Ronan for like three minutes. Yeah. The second half of this movie, it feels much longer than the first half. Just because of the amount of chase sequence after

chase sequence after chase sequence. I like driving on the train tracks. I like when Gonzalez lifts the cab up and it seems like they're going to get crushed to death. And then the ending, look, we get the double elevator. Awesome. Julio, you want your Coke?

Come and get it! I got him. No, I got him. Good ending. All right, so we don't even need to negotiate this one. Yeah. Yeah, what are we doing? That was today's most rewatchable scene, brought to you by the Home Depot.

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The song Sweet Freedom by Michael McDonald Being shoehorned in a great way The Walter Payton jersey that you mentioned This is also the year the Bears won the Super Bowl See this was Apex Mountain for Chicago We don't skip APEC now 85 Bears Jordan

A million movies being filmed in there What else did we want? We also have The 1983 White Sox cap Awesome hat Which is like a specific like cool looking white socks cap. Darlane Flugel

feels very 1986 to me. Joey pants with hair and the Honda elite scooters. What about just the preponderance of roller skating as a mode of transportation and something that people like did all the time for fun.

Yeah, now those would be those stupid blue bikes that Craig drives around. Drive those? The blue bikes? Those E blue bikes, whatever those little are those in New York more than they are in L.S. No, there's no way. Do you ride rented bikes around?

No, he's a big blue bike guy. Yeah, I love him. I play pods out loud. I actually think the most 86 thing is the Honda elites. Because remember there was a big ad campaign that year for those, and it just feels like a very era-specific, like you never see them anymore. I guess they've turned into the blue bikes.

Yeah, I think we, I would love to have like a scooter revolution in this country, not the lime scooters where they just leave them outside your house. but like the actual like I have a scooter this is how I get around town. Those things would go like 55. Like I used to take it on the highway with no helmet. Where did you get in your accident? On side street. Okay.

What happened? You took a back like a turn too fast or what? Old lady cut in front of me. Oh. Yeah. Who died of natural causes six months later. Right then? Oh, okay.

That's great. That has not aged the best. What's age the best? Ray Hughes and Danny Costanzo. Is there, this is literally what I've written down. Is there any more, like, absolutely archetypal cop names? Danny Costanzas really stark. A bad guy in Chicago wanting to be the next Al Capone?

I miss it. Yeah, yeah. Al Capone, I don't feel like. He's trying to, like, make himself, like, more presentable by, like, where he's moving and has business ties. People still knew who Al Capone. You know Al Capone is, Craig? Yeah, I'm aware.

It's like 100 years old at this point. He invented blue bikes. What else do you have? I have Dan Hadea slash angry lieutenants. Right. Just I don't feel, I don't feel like we, because it became such a trope and a cliche, we've moved away from the angry lieutenant. No, but it started, it was 70s TV.

It was Inspector Todd. 48 hours, Inspector Todd. And then it became, it became like a joke to have an angry lieutenant. I wish you would kind of sometimes get a little Inspector Todd with me. I'm like, Ryan, get in my fucking office. Like, you know, just for no reason. It was just hang out. That was going on in the watch.

Why are you talking about disclaimer? The commissioner chute my ass out. The mayor chewed his ass out. And now I'm chewing your ass out. I got Daniel Lack on the phone wondering why we're talking about Apple shows. The fuck out of my office. What stage the best? That's right, Bill.

I work up on the edge. That's right. I like Apple shows. Presumed innocent was really good. I was good. And I hope there's a season two. Fuck you. A buddy cop movie that has rival buddy cops.

Yes. Like if we ever read an action movie, it's definitely the two guys, but there's two up-and-comers that give them shit constantly. Also, the part, that's clearly a part from the movie that they wrote for way older cops. Right. Because Stephen Bauer and the other guy are the same age as Gregory Hyde. Right, right. It's like they're up-and-comers. But they're like, oh, these young bucks that we have to show.

But, like, yeah. Speaking of Stephen Bauer Everything that guy fucking wears and says and does in this movie is amazing I wrote mid-80s Stephen Bauer You can smell the cocaine coming often No wasn't he clean by this point Wasn't that the whole body double thing? Whatever he's going for in this

He looks like Dirk Digger When he's going to that guy's house There's one scene where he's got like an overcoat over his vest Over like a flannel shirt Like I love the Chicago layering The crazy beard. He looks like he hasn't showered in a month. Amazing job by him.

This nice little Stephen Bauer runs, Scarface, Thief of Hearts, this movie. Nice little run. Here's one for you specifically. The bad guy in the movie who does something horrible and then ends up right back on the streets, followed by the cops going, he's back out in the streets? Does this happen in real life? No, I have that for what's each the worst. But it has to, it's an essential for a reaction movie.

What do you mean the witness recanted? their statement. How is he out? This guy fucking kills another person with an Uzi right in front of these guys. And they're like, we can't make it stick. I'm like, swear an affidavit. What is the problem? It's a picking hit. It's a which age or worse. It's

also what's age the best because I feel like it's a staple of all these movies. Yeah. You can't keep a bad guy in jail. He's just going to get out. I also have what's age the best. This never happens anymore, but it was one of my favorite things is characters in movies and TV, but also in real

life just like barging into someone's house uninvited. Like every time Crystal goes into Gregory Hines's apartment and turns on the police siren and stuff like that kind of like boners just coming over to Mike's house on growing pains. Right. I really... Unannounced stop-by is in the 80s. We didn't have text.

We didn't have email. Sure. Nobody had cell phones. You just kind of drop by someone's house. You get home from practice and your friend was randomly in your kitchen looking in your cabinets. They do that anymore, Craig? We still do that.

When is the last time somebody randomly stopped by? without letting you know. It was just like I was, I have no memory of that in my life because of cell phones. I was walking home yesterday from getting a coffee, and I stopped by my friend Howard and Marnie's house because they lived like five blocks. Did she text like I'm right outside?

I just didn't unannounced stop by. I rang the door because I knew Marnie is a Steelers fan. I knew she was going to be home because the game was on in like 40 minutes. And she was delighted to see me. I mean, a great little five-minute walk. I had my coffee. I never came in. I just left.

I was like, this is what the 80s were right. Did you just stop by and say hi to people? What you do to me where you're just like, here's all the reasons why the Steelers aren't a real Super Bowl candidate or like? No, I did. So she's like, no, it's the Browns. We're going to win. But I'm, I still want to watch.

I'm like, be nervous. It's going to snow. It's Mike Tomlin. He's 0.7 on Thursday. It's like, dude, like, you're going to be sweating this game up. I'm sure she was like, thanks for coming by, Bill. Yeah. So a dead bad guy coming down an escalator.

Yes. Another one. Just mark that down for our movie. Yeah. So, like how the guy, the bumps, like, I just like it. Dan Hindea saying, you are the detectives. Go and detect. Young Jimmy Smith eventually became the president of the United States on West Wing.

Yeah, Matt Santos. The big shootout when he says, promise, promise you go without me to Florida. And he's like, okay, I do. And he's like, you go without me. I really like the poster I'm a show that's my camera that's the poster

oh right because of the graffiti on the and notice Gregory Hines to the left of Billy Crystal in the poster running scared two of Chicago's finest question mark

good poster speaking of that poster and the car in it I miss lots of places used to do this. Company cars, the carpool. And my dad used to, when he worked at the Enquirer, used to have

one of five Chevy Cavaliers that you could just take. You did it at the ringer? I was kind of just Jack Sanders taking out our ringer Prius. Where is it? I don't know. Jack had it two days ago. And then it comes back and it says unmarked police car.

I'm going to check with Daniel Eck because I got to smooth out this Apple TV. Thanks. See if you bridge the gap there. Any other what stage the best? I just had the derision people had for croissants back in the 80s and like anything you're seen before like cafe culture really hit America. It was like croissants.

You want a croissant? Our hatred for the French really gave me fuel in the 80s and I still tried to keep it alive. The Big Cahuna Burger Award, best use of food and drink. Really strong birthday cake? That was all I got. Yeah. I mean all of the like just draft Pilsner that they drink I think is probably. up there, and I bet they had some pretty good seafood in Key West.

They pull it right out of the ocean, the lobster and the squid. I forgot to mention the what's age the best. Oh, also the lunch that the girls serve on the boat, when they're like lunch, and it's like margaritas and shit. Oh, yeah, that's the winner. Yeah. I forgot to mention what's age the best. Something about Chicago bars look great in movies.

Yes. And the best one is the About Last Night Bar? Yes. I think that might be that one, and what was that bar? that we said it was used in the Godfather, the verdict used it and pretended it was in Boston, whatever that bar was. It's a New York bar in the Lower East Side

in Alphabet City or something like that, but it was in, it's been used in a bunch of movies no matter where they are. This bar in this movie is a really strong one. Yeah, I don't know if they shot this on a soundstage or what, but like I love the fact that these guys use this bar as their living room. Really good bar in Copeland.

It's got the back room. Leota and E. Falco. Yeah, yeah. Cheers, probably the, favorite bar with the square in the middle with the I like when the bartenders are in the middle yeah and they can kind of move right did yours have TVs yeah they had two they were over in the corner over when you going back to play pool it was over okay they would watch like they're watching the hockey game in one episode and Diane changed it to the opera oh I remember

that big episode the butcher's girlfriend award weak link of the film I really like this film do you have a weak link because I have one I just don't think that Danny and Anna have such magnetic chemistry that it would explain her, like, loving him so much that she, like, can't be with him than leaving her dentist, husband, like, fiancee to go back with him. It's fair. There's a deleted scene that explains it, though. Okay. Huge cock. Like tripod level.

Where do we see it? Yeah, it's at YouTube. No, I don't know. I felt the same way. I don't know what's going on there. Yeah. There's, like, a scene missing. where we don't know why they broke up.

They seem like they still really like each other. She kind of does a passing reference to, you care about your job more than a relationship. And then when he's like, I'm moving to Florida, she's just like, I'm back in, obviously,

yeah. It's a strong weak link, but I think mine is better. Let's hear it. Billy Crystal in Running Scared is playing an Italian Chicago cop named Danny Costanzo. It's really difficult.

I think he also crosses himself at one point. Yeah. I'm a half Italian on behalf of at least the half Italians I think they could have a lot of people out there doubting your credentials

Well they go They go to They go to the Because of the Gabagool People are talking about me At the streets Oh the Gabba Duh We never

I never heard it called that Yeah Gabagool Gabagool Yeah I just screwed it up I'm all I'm just saying

Why not make them A half Italian Half Jewish I think it would have been fine It just seems like they were just like, this is what the script says. And he wasn't yet at like the Billy Crystal level of like, okay, here's my character.

Billy Crystal, one of the more openly this guy seems Jewish, famous actors we've had. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah. Like him just being like, no, I'm going to be Italian in this. I was like, I just make him half and half. What? This guy must be Jewish acting Mount Rushmore.

I mean, he's leaned into it a bunch of movies and TV shows, right? It just felt like, I don't know. didn't know why they did it. Why not just change his name? Or why not have him make a joke about, oh, the Italian side of my family. I got to do that. The Aunt Rosie side. Something. Instead, he's like, I'm Danny Costanzo. Hey, oh. Like, Seagall, they did this too, where he played a super Italian one of one of the Segal movies. I mean, it's just weird enough seeing him wearing all that cub shit because you know he's like a huge Yankees fan, right? Yeah, that's how desperate he was to be in the movie. Woodsage the worst. I mean, number one,

So Paul Walker, may he rest in peace, I love Paul Walker, but he made a movie in 2006 called Running Scared. And it's really caused a lot of confusion on cable, on streamers. When you Google this movie. 100% people are going to be like when we announced we're doing Running Scared. Yeah, we're going to have put the year. We're going to put Running Scared 1986 in the title of the pod. That happened with Bad Boys.

But Running Scared 2006 is not a good movie. And I like Paul Walker. Sure. But it's not. and I just don't know why they named it Running Scared. Running Scared was successful enough that you can't just be like, well, name it Running Scared. Like when Heat became Heat,

and they were like, well, there was a Bert Reynolds movie called Heat eight years earlier. And Michael Mann was like, well, fuck that. The movie was terrible. Because we're calling it Heat. And that was fine because Heat was terrible. But this is different. Bugs me. What do you got?

You just, UZIs? Do they even make those anymore? Like, everybody's got an Uzi in this movie? That was a huge 80s thing. And then Uzi's went away. I don't even know, but like they don't show up in movies anymore for sure. Like there's no Uzi's in John Wick. Are there?

Craig. I don't think there are Uzies anymore. And maybe Uzi's just... Went out of fashion? I'm sure they exist. They're probably hard to conceal, I would imagine. Maybe Uzi come back. Like, I think there's just very inaccurate guns.

The basically constant police brutality, harassment, you know, skirting the rules and that's just the 80s you know that's gonna be in there wait do you think Uzi's could come back like vinyl oh like maybe

Craig's generation reclaims it as like yeah like musical musical media yeah physical media Oozys

so instead of DVD Sean starts collecting usies yeah it's a great 87 Uzi what else do you have um

Billy Crystal's scarf move that he pulls like three times where he flips the scarf or it doesn't seem like a very Danny Costanza thing to do It seemed like a Crystal bit that he wanted.

And I just also think you just don't really see a lot of guys walking in when their friend is having sex and then like flopping down on the bed and being like once in breakfast. I mean. Also, Gregory Hines couldn't be more comfortable with the fact that Billy Crystal just interrupted. He's like, okay, we got to go. He might have finished like 10 minutes earlier. He was okay with it. I forgot to mention during the Crystal part because I knew Crystal from soap because soap was a great. show and he played a gay character

in soap which was a big deal because there was no gay characters on TV he played Jody. And it felt like it was going to pigeonhole him a little because it was so unusual for somebody to play a gay character. It was like, oh, the gay guy from soap. And then he eventually started doing comedy, but then SNL, he broke out of it. And then this movie, I think, really shed, oh, it's that guy from soap who's on SNL. And it just was

like surprising to see him in a movie like this. And then he pulled it off. It was really good. Yeah, the only other thing that I think age is the worst is just the like, the way that the scenes at the second half of the film of the last hour are a little bit repetitive with Julio. Yeah, you could cut out, you could have cut out one of them. He kidnaps Anna that it's like, oh, yeah, now there's some stakes.

Yeah, I would have said for what stage the worst, we probably could have cut about seven minutes. Yeah. The airport sequence is long. Yeah. I have, the overall soundtrack isn't good. McDonald carries it. McDonald is like Jordan on the 86 Bulls. Everything else is bad. It's when

like Yacht Rock kind of transitions to smooth R&B. And there's like I think it's like that 80s kind of kind of adult contemporary but also clubbier sound that is just a little bit. It's kind of just loud and overtly happy and synths and like that opening

theme song, it's just bad. Yeah. They're shown Chicago and it's like the worst possible song but this was happening over and over again. I wonder if it would have been better if they had just gone full Faltermeyer and gotten a really good synth soundtrack. Or gone like just full yacht rock. Yeah.

Like they could have just grabbed a bunch of them. I guess they didn't know what yacht rock was yet. The snow looks fake in some of the scenes. It is fake in some of the scenes. Yeah, I noticed it just didn't have like, felt like they cheaped out of that. This movie's rated R, and I don't know why they didn't just earn the R.

So I'm going to bring out an old category. We haven't had very many times. The Mallory Rubin Award for Did This Movie Need a Better Sexing? So might have had Heinz maybe, step in there for about 30 seconds. It's 1986. Come on, man. This is going to be on cable for five years.

Let's go. Or, like, at least, like, have some more, like, sex happening in the apartments that they bust into, right? Sure. Like, just a random, uh, I mean, this was the error of, like... Drug dealer having sex. Oh, my God, there's a naked lady for no reason. I was waiting for the classic 80s gratuitous...

Yeah, where was it? I'm kind of surprised that Anna is not... There's not like an Anna's just showering for two minutes for some reason. There's also... They flirt. with it. There's that one moment where the woman has the sheets over her and they don't show anything of the Key West stuff. It's like they

never, I don't know why they don't get there. Yeah, we didn't have like a nude beach scene. It's true. Yeah, Craig, we've reprogrammed me. Yeah, we've groomed Craig to expect nudity. So a sequel titled self-running I'm sorry, a sequel titled Still Running

was planned, different scripts written and Crystal and Heinz just didn't think any of them were good enough. and turn all of them down, which brings me a runner-up hottest take for me. It's just, as I said earlier, I felt like they left hundreds of millions on the table. Do you want me to do my hottest take now? Yeah, do it. Basically that.

So my hottest take is that there's a world in which this is lethal weapon. Yeah, I don't even think that's a hot take. So number one, lethal weapon came out. I think you could say in a softer box office environment. It's a lot of big ones. It's a year later, 87. So lethal weapon comes out. It's the number one movie in the country.

Nightmare on Elm Street 3, Platoon, Angel Heart, outrageous fortune, some kind of wonderful mannequin, Hoosiers, Black Widow Crocodile Dundee,

which had been out for a really long time. Manikin. That's a much better environment for running scared to be released in. And then also, if they had just continued the vibe and picked and choose how they were going to do it

the way lethal weapon was like, okay, obviously, like Gibson and Glover have incredible chemistry. They're secretly super funny together. let's just play that up and throw Pesci in there or whatever. Yeah. Like that just makes so much more sense for running scared to do that.

If they're like, okay, like we did the Julio Gonzalez plot, let's make a much more like discernible crime plot, but just let these guys cook. And maybe you started in Florida. Danny finds out he's not Italian. Yeah. He takes the first 23 in me. He's like, wait, what?

I would do running scared too one last job. where now it's like this is officially, they have to do this one crime in Chicago and then they're off to Key West. Oh, see, I would flip it. I would have Running Scared 2 starts in Florida. No, that's Running Scared 3. Oh.

Running Scared 2, one last job. Running Scared 3. We're in Key West. These guys don't want this life anymore, but some angry drug dealer from years past comes down to terrorize them. Running Scared 3. And you know what?

Heinz probably dies and Running Scared 3. Oh, yeah. Or maybe he dies of Running Scared 4. Maybe we'll kill Glover. Heinz's wife dies. Somebody's wife or somebody, maybe Darlane Flugel dies. But what's crazy is they're like,

yeah, we couldn't find a script that we liked. You and I could have come up with a script in three minutes. It's like, hey, go to Key West, open the bar, and then shit goes down. Yeah, what are we doing? It's really strange. Really makes me mad.

My hottest take, and I really put some thought into this. This movie and Cocktail when he goes to Jamaica and the movie Hardbodies on HBO were the three, most aspirational location movies for me where I watched the movie

and I was like, that place seems amazing. Because Hard Bodies was like Santa Monica, Malibu was like, oh my God, that looks awesome. Jamaica with Cruz was like,

holy shit, what's going on there? That would be amazing. And in Key West. Imagine just living there. And then whatever Key West, whatever they made it look like in this movie,

which I think it could have worked for whatever. And then Miami Vice would be the TV show version of that where they would then show Miami. Man, that place looks awesome. Have you ever gone on vacation with your wife or whatever friends

and been like, I think I want to move here. I mean, like, every time I go on vacation. I never, the one place that's an aspirational place I've never been to is Zawatneo just to do the Andean Red trip. Yeah. It's a little more complicated to get there from L.A. than I think.

It's like a long drive after you fly out there. I think it's a little harder to find the exact spot. But I've thought about it. But just as a kid living in the fucking East Coast with bad weather and those guys go to Key West And it's like, why do I live here? What am I doing? I know.

So I eventually moved. The Ruffalo, Han and Rubinac Partridge overacting, where it's Hodea, but I think it has to be, because that's the, he's the over-screaming lieutenant. Would you go with somebody else? I had Julio screaming my Coke and his death scene. Yeah, you're right. It probably is. Was there a better title for this movie?

I think there was. What is running scared? What does that even mean? Who's running scared in this movie? Nobody. That's a really good question. What would be? the alternative be? Like, what's your

fix for that? Danny and Ray? You know, like, what's, like, I was thinking, I've always, can't believe there's not a movie called One Last Job. But I guess this movie isn't one last job. Maybe short time because it's like, I know that that is another name for another movie, but like, because the whole

thing is like they've got 30 days left before they go to Florida. Maybe they could do something with that. Short time. I was thinking Chicago Heat. It's Chicago, but they really want the heat? Yeah. I don't know. Is there entitled, Craig?

It's tough. Bisexual buddies. They're definitely bisexual. Homo-orotic Chicago cops? Guys pouring beer on each other while they're fishing. We're doing that after the pod. I brought some beer. Can You Digget a word for most memorable quote.

It has to be you have the right to a coroner. That was really strong. I also really like, excuse me, we're from noise busters. Do you know where the Minuto concert is? Yeah, that's good. Casting what ifs, you mentioned how they,

it was supposed to be too old New York City cops. Allegedly it was Hackman and Newman and mine, but they never brought it to them. But then, according to the internet, Tom Selleck and John Travolta were going to be the cops. Yeah, and Seleck did Magnum.

Selk was doing Magnum. And Travolta's agent, Mike Ovitz said I don't like it, turned it down. If you look at Chavotis' career from 85 to 1993, it's amazing. They turned this down. I can't imagine there's a better script. We saw some of the stuff he did.

So that's really how I could find. And Peter Hyams loved Darlane Flugel from To Live and Die in L.A. So you guys have something in common. Can I do five seconds on Hyams? Yeah. So if people are listening and they're interested in like buddy cop stuff, they should go check out this movie from 74 called Busting that he did. Yeah.

Elliot Gould and Robert Forster. It's really, really, really good. I think it's on TV. by the way this movie is on too yeah this is the most to be tube be ever yeah you go on toby it's always in like the first two rows and you'll have a lot of fun

with the recommended if you like running scared you hit running scared you're gonna get 20 20 wrecks thank you yeah he did uh 2010 the year we make contact which is like a kind of controversial sequel to 2001 but it has started to become a little bit more beloved as the year's gone

and it's just like obviously like a very very talented filmmaker he shoots his own stuff in some cases he edits it too and this movie looks fucking incredible like when you watch the interiors of this movie there's like a scene where Heinz is at the evidence locker to get the coke and there's this shot where it's like all black below him and black above him so he's almost letterboxed by the lighting

because it's just one overhead light and I'm like why is his 1986 movie look better than Gladiator 2 Like, it is really crazy. He did two movies that I really like. Capricorn one. Yeah. Which, finally, somebody was trying to tell us that the moon landing never happened. Finally, somebody had the balls to step forward.

Uh-huh. And that was before Kubrick made the Shining about the moon landing. Shania is one of my favorite pods we've done. And then sudden death, which we've done on the rewatchables. Van Dam. Van Dam. I don't know if Craig produced that one. Dan plays goalie?

Of course. Yeah. That was not that long. Craig's on his phone. He's checked out. Sent and text. He tried to get the weekend plan. He's like,

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Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. All right, the Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy. Joey Pants automatically wins. Dan Hadea could have won. Two more people we should mention, though. Three. Oh, what do you got?

Larry Hankin? Yeah. That's the cop mechanic. You know who Larry Hankin is, right, Craig? What else? Oh, yeah. Crankey old neighbor and friends? Yeah, the guy who gives him the cab.

Yeah. He's in a bunch of stuff. He is, I got to be honest. I didn't know his name was Larry Hankin until I was doing this pie. And that is the true test of that guy. He is such a that guy. Yeah. Don Calpha, who is Aunt Rose's attorney.

Remember when he's trying to give him the inheritance and he's like, you got to go see him, he's in the bathroom or whatever? That guy is the hitman from Weekend at Bernice. Good call. That guy's hilarious. Jonathan Grease, who's Bauer's partner and he's in Napoleon Dynamite. Yeah, Uncle Rico. My God, you didn't even list his two best things.

Oh, give it to me. Well, White Lotus. He plays... What's her face is Jennifer Coolidge's mysterious husband. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I mean, that's his most famous part. Everyone knows him from that.

He feels like the guy shrunk. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But then he was Dylan McKay's drug dealer in season, holy shit. Season five of 902 and now. Got him hooked on the age.

He gave him a little taste. He gave a little taste. Try this, Dylan. But yeah, that guy's, he was a great, that guy. And then I feel like White Lotus almost un-that guy. Yeah. Dan Waiters Award Pants is eligible

Yeah Bauer's amazing I kind of I'm shading Bauer Yeah I think it's Bauer Recasting Couch Director or City I have no notes I don't know if I touch anyone So would you want to recast it

With guys in the 80s Or would you want to do a contemporary version of this Who are the cops in the contemporary version We just don't have any marketable actors anymore Guys who were 35, right? Because Hines' character is turning like 36. I mean, you have like Powell and Teller. No, they're too cute, man.

What about like Driver and Shalame? I was thinking Shalamee too. That's a little early for Shalemay to be retired. We can't have driver because that means the movie will bomb. Make $5 million dollars. I feel like it's always driver. Every time we do this, it's like, driver? I was wondering if it's Shalamee because it's like a nice zag for him.

He was just playing like a Chicago cop at a 29. Yeah. What about like Glover? Donald Glover as one of the cops. Donald Glover. Because I feel I felt he tried to do that in that Amazon show and I never bought it.

It was like more like a relationship show. He's never done like a buddy cop movie. So it's some, Chalmy is probably like three years too young. Glenn Powell's too obvious. Why don't we have more actors for this conversation? And then I think, I think the Heinz part is

probably definitely like a musician or an athlete. Yeah. Like for the stunt casting element of it. It's LeBron. LeBron is Gregory Heinz. Do you have to start with a comedian? I feel like we're going after the actor.

What about Craig's guy, Marcelo Hernandez? What about like Shane Gillis? Shane Gillis is pretty interesting. But we'd have to make Shane Gillis pretend to be Italian. That would be really funny. Shane Gilliando. Shankill, this is good. I can't come up with it.

I'm trying to think of people. Usually SNL would have been the feeder system for this, but I can't imagine anyone at SNL. It's like, Andrew Dismukes. Here he goes. Romo, Collinsworth, or someone else for the director's commentary. We'll probably have the same one for this. I adore us.

You adore us. Oh, good. I have somebody else. We see you, Mr. Gonzalez. You've been arrested, accused, bailed, jailed and paroled, and you're still managing to bring in dozens of kilos from the jungles of Columbia.

The street value, who can say? But what can be said is the value you bring to your organization? I keep watching the NBA is back. I keep waiting for her to break into it. She doesn't really... I mean, that would just become a character into itself. Mike, Billy Crystal, just made the greatest

joke I've ever heard of my life. He said, Ablo Smith and Wes That's just unbelievable, Mike. Oh, Mike. I mean, this guy, Danny Costanza, Billy Crystal screams Italian-American. We should be on stage with us watching him, Mike.

Half-Fast Internet research, speaking to Billy Crystal, in his 1986 book, absolutely marvelous, he said he accidentally whacked himself in the head with a pistol by accident, split open his nose and needed plastic surgery. I bring this up because, I had no idea he wrote a book called Absolutely Marvelous. Did you immediately eBay?

Did you know that book existed? Of course not. No. He said in 2021, because Gregory Hines sadly died, Crystal said it was just so much fun making that movie. I miss Gregory Hines terribly. Occasionally I'll put it on and watch just as a way of visiting with Greg. There is a...

I would do that with you if you ever died. I would watch old rewatchable episodes of, I miss fucking CR. If I died on a Honda Elite. Yeah. God damn I'm the CR So the grand finale

Daniel X like that's what he gets For talking about Shiloh Talked about Apple The grand finale It took place Inside the gleaming new structure Called State of Illinois Center

Which apparently is a big deal It was a very cool location For awesome They sold it to Google Oh really? Yeah I love in action movies where they're like, the meat needs to be somewhere public

so that they can just choose somewhere amazing to shoot it, you know? Yeah, you're right. It's never like some like off off bar. Yeah, some bar that's like three streets off of a street. It's always like an amusement park or something like that. Apex Mountain. Crystal, no. That's what city slickers to you?

Yeah, I think we said it was city slickers when we did this. Not when Harry Metz Alley. I think during city slickers, we realized it was city slickers. He had Oscars going at that point. Heinz, I think there's a case. Sure. Because now he's a real movie guy. He's this great dancer.

And then it eventually leads to them making the movie tap, which is one of the many late 80s misfire movie ideas we had, whereas like he's a tap dancer. He wants to get out of the world to tap. But he's got to stay in. A lot of occupations back in the years. It's like if you had a job, there was probably a movie.

about it. Right. It was like, I'm, I deliver food on a bicycle. Yeah, quicksilver. Now it's like, is Thanos in it? No, but like, you know, they used to just be like the postman. Yeah, if we had the same approach now, it would be like Uber driver. Yeah. Key West, Apex Mountain for me, it's this versus the real world season with Johnny Bananas. Not Hemingway living there? Well, that could be there too. I don't know, Johnny Bananas versus Hemingway. Really depends on what like. Contributions to society. Yeah, Johnny Bennett is still around. Joey Pants, no. Yeah, he didn't take the cowards way out.

That's because T.J. hates quitters. She doesn't even is. Seven-time champ. Going for number eight right now. Chicago movie cops? I really like those assholes and thief who keep rousing Jimmy Con. I have Jack Walsh.

Okay. Jack Walsh had to leave the force because he wouldn't do a buyout from Serrano. When are we going to read Midnight? We're getting Matt Damon to join us for that. I'm just telling you now it's happening. Is that like his favorite movie? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. That's when we go, when we get a real studio and we bring some star power in. Unlike now. Jimmy Smiths. That's when I fake my own death so that you start remembering me finally. That's what AI Chris takes over. Jimmy Smith's no.

Nope. And that's NYPD Blue, do you think? Probably, yeah. Him in France. Yeah. I mean, that was, he was winning, did he win Emmys for that? Like, I feel like they just...

He's good on that show. Chicago bars, I still think it's the about last night bar. I think it's the, the... What was called, Mothers? About last night? No, but, yeah. If I don't see you in Mothers! What's, uh, what's the name of the bar and thief?

The Green something? Oh, that's a good one. I haven't watched Heath, Thief, since we did the pot. I gotta crank it up again. And Conn blows it up at the end. Yeah. Dan Hadea. Hadea?

I mean, this is around, like, him, he's Blood Simples around this time. Well, he's Eddie Tortelli, too. Yeah. Cheers. Yeah. Like, and he's probably the most fan. Oh, I think it is. Michael McDonald's songs, no, but I think videos, yes.

And then Yacht Rock was the opposite Apex Mountain, because this is the official end of Yacht Rock. Yeah. So I don't know what that is. Is it, were there any other, in retrospect, or upon further reflection, yacht rock coded movies that we could have done? Really, no. I don't think so. There are movies from the 70s set in L.A.

that feel Yot-Rockey, even if they aren't explicitly. Like, the Robert Altman Long Goodbye with Elyakul. Just kind of yacht-rokey to me. But it didn't have the music to add to the... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, really, no. I don't see it.

Cruiser, Hanks. I'm going to go Hanks. It has to be Hanks. Hanks wins. I think Hanks could very easily play Danny. No question. What's the score card? I think Hanks is winning.

I think Hanks in the 80s should have made a movie like this. He tried a couple times and didn't find the right script. I think he thought Dragnet might be a version of this and it wasn't. Hanks is winning 18 to 14. Oh, fucking Cruz. Have that, Cruz. Well, because also, like, wasn't Hanks around this time doing, like, volunteers? Like, he was trying to do, like, kind of action comedies, too.

Racehorse, Rock Band, Wrestler, Fantasy Team name. Oh, you know, actually, can I just throw Cruiser Hanks? And I, for these movies especially, I always think this. The third way would have been Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton is Danny after night shift. Would have been a great Danny. I really love Crystal on this, but yeah, Keaton could have done it.

Ray starts rock band, wrestler, fancy team name, Sweet Freedom. Julio's Coke. Where's my Coke? Pick a Nitz. I got one right off the top. Go. Did anybody jump out to anybody that Ray kisses Danny's ex like full on the mouth like a lot?

So I noticed this, there's a sexual energy with them that made me super uncomfortable and it made me wonder if that was why they broke up. She's like, I'm always going to come to your birthday parties. It's always like a pretty full lips kiss. And like a full body hug. Everybody should just do whatever that makes them happy. But I was like, I would not be into this. It's pretty weird. It jumped out to me too. There's some challengers energy with these three. Yeah. Yeah.

Challenger's energy. That's a good category. the Challenger's Award for the sexual attention that I don't really understand. Yeah. Picking it for me is just Gonzalez is just running a mock in this movie. And I know this is an 80s trope,

but he's just complete, there's just no laws. And meanwhile, like a big theme of Chicago's 80s movies is how much police there is and how important the police is and there's either police corruption or there's police. There seems to be a huge schism

between the police department and the district attorney's office in this movie because they keep catching this guy. and he keeps getting paroled or let go or bailed, whatever. Tiny nitpick on the cars driving on the tracks.

I feel like that would go terribly. I think that's so much harder to do than anyone would realize. Like, you're bouncing. The moment you fall off one track, I think the car just something bad happens. I was nine, so I don't know. But even in 1986,

I don't feel like cops would just like aimlessly shoot at escaping vehicles, hoping to hit something. Yeah. Like they were, would they? No. Yeah. I have the ending where we have this like crazy shootout.

Both guys get shot. His wife has to jump and 15 floors up from one elevator or another and they finally kill this guy. And this should have been like, I can't wait to get to Key West. And instead it's like, this is my biggest problem with this. I have a lot of unanswerable questions about this. Well, all of a sudden he's like, no, actually. we should stay cops.

It's like, what just happened should make you not want to be cops. You should want to go to Key West. You already paid for the bar. Like,

Key West sounds great. Go to Key West. Another nitpick is when Danny gets shot full in the chest by a fellow police officer. Yeah. And they're just kind of like,

whoa. You should have watched where you're fucking standing. Like, there's no accountability for that. That shootout scene is a whole nitpick. Like,

there's just a lot of close range. Like, people as close as me to you and just shooting this way. this way? Anything else? No, I have mostly unanswerable questions. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TBL, Blackcast, Untouchable. There should have been

three sequels. We covered that. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treos, Sid Goldberg, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Nell, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, evil laughing, Ramon Raymond. Might have to bump him. Ramon's never won in this category. Long legs.

Or Philip Baker Hall. Well, should we give it to Ramon Raymond and make him one of Julio's lieutenants. Or he could have been Stephen Bauer's partner. Oh, yeah. Yes. Hey, Danny, you think he to catch this guy?

I would also say a little early for him, but Sam Jackson would be a great snake early Sam Jackson, taking the Joey Pants award. Or he could have been... Yeah, I mean, Sam Jackson could have been anywhere in this movie. I had Treo. Because I think Treo could have been,

like, Jimmy Smith's lead henchman. He's right around the right age for Treo. Yeah. I just think he, I just think he helps the movie. That would have been great. Now I also was thinking about, too. Where they're in the elevator and he's trying to get her to jump.

And just like, what if it was better? If Julio was long legs. Give me back my cork, Daddy. Danny. Your partner is fucking your wife. He's getting in there. just one Oscar who gets it

it's got to be Michael McDonald's for sweet freedom yeah for best song probably unanswerable questions let's do it did these guys ever move to Key West because they never made a fucking sequel and then Gregory Hines died

so we never got anyone about this do they say they're going to stay in Chicago I looked this up 1986 mortgage rates 10.19% Jesus

so fucking Danny is underwater on this lease like instantaneously if he's not already down there slinging shrimp. Right. He's got to immediately get like 50% off 5 to 8 p.m. But he's going to be annihilated by that.

Yeah. 10. Yeah, that's tough. Because Julio says to him, I'm going to give you 150 grand, which is like more than the note on that bar that you just leased. Yeah. And they're like, no, no, no. But like, if they don't go down there and start pumping beer out of there, they're fucking dead financially. So that's one thing.

Second, Anna clearly. perked back up for Danny when he was like, I'm moving to Florida. She was like, great, you finally have seen yourself outside of Chicago. So it was the job that was breaking them up. Right. So when he's like actually on second thought,

now that we're making out, I'm going to continue to be a detective in Chicago and get shot at all the time. Is she like, all right, great, I'm going back to my dentist? She's like, I'm going back to Ray. Yeah, so that's my big, those are my two big ones,

the loan and what happens to the relationship. Just go to Key West. The last scene of this movie should be like the last scene in trading places. Absolutely. They should be at the bar, super happy. The wife's there.

Hines has some hot lady with them, and it's 50% off. The girl he's been sleeping with throughout the movie. Yeah. Best double feature choice. I had stakeout. That's a really good one. I was going to go busting just because of high-ims, but yeah. You know steak out, Craig?

No. Mille O'Stevez and Richard Dreyfus? Yeah. Classic. Good enough that they made a sequel. It made a sequel for stakeout. The second one? Yeah.

Made a sequel to that. and not to this. The Indian Reds-Wan-A-Rard what happened the next day we talked about it? What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I could just get it, but the white socks hat.

The boobs t-shirts? What? Like the actual worn from the movie t-shirts? What actual, like, reality do you think you could wear a boobs t-shirt in? Like, around the house? Halloween, dressed as the cops. Yeah, but like,

we're going as the running scared guys? That popular of a movie. You and I did like Halloween wearing boobs t-shirts. I don't think people would get it. Craig? You could wear it when you're back at college with Ben. That's true. Ben would wear it right now.

Maybe in Trump's America, boots t-shirts will come back. That's true. The Honda Elite scooters that they have, the movie-driven scooters would be cool. Have you ever been back on a scooter since that accident? No, I retired. And if Ben was like, I want to get a Honda, elite, would you let him? I would strangle him.

Okay. Yeah. The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson, you can't go from marrying a cop to marrying a dentist. That was the biggest lesson I learned from this. I was going to say, if you really want to, if you think you want to move to Key West, you do. And you should stay. You should go.

Don't go back to Chicago. What's your Key West, C.R. Don't say Portland. I'm throwing my body in front of that. No, I got to pick somewhere more exotic and beautiful. There's an island off of Croatia. called Vise, that I really like. See, this is now we're talking.

Yeah. Yeah, you get some basketball. Yeah. You could pick a side in the Croatia, Serbia basketball rivalry. Yeah. Start setting some of the three-point offenses. Yeah. Who won the movie?

It's a really tough one. I'm going to go Crystal. But it's close with him in Heinz. I agree with you because this movie allows Crystal to have the next five. years that he had. He needed to prove that he could be in a movie, as we could see from the poster, Heinz was the star and Crystal was basically the sidekick. Even though he has the more like articulated love arc.

Well, we've reached the time when we asked producer Craig, who had never heard of this movie or seen it for his opinion. I liked this movie a lot. I liked the chemistry between Heinz and Crystal is great. I do think watching it, it made me realize how much I love, like lethal weapon and midnight run and Beverly Hills Cop. This feels a tier below. I feel like the chemistry was there, but it's a little flatter.

Because there's no, there's no tension. There's no tension. It's like they're just kind of hanging around trying to catch this one guy. There's like, there's not a ton of stakes. I think lethal weapon is darker and funnier. This is just a little bit more kind of just, I don't want to say, going through the motions. It's an easier watch. Yeah.

This is a, you can go to the bathroom during it and come back and it's okay. And lethal weapon, I feel like I'm a little bit more invested in the performances in the storyline and stuff like that. I think this is more of what you would call like a programmer. Like this is like a 3 p.m. cable. Like, oh shit, running scared's on. Like, I'm gonna watch this for 25 minutes.

Yeah, it's less fully formed. Yeah. But I still really like, like, like the more you watch it, the more stuff, you're like, oh, man, I forgot about this part or like that outfit that he's wearing, stuff like that. I like hanging out with the guys.

Yeah. So this movie could have either been 20 minutes shorter or like three hours longer. And I was good either way. I really liked Heinz. I don't think I've ever seen a movie with him. I know he was in Will and Grace a little bit I remember him from, but I don't really have a huge connection to him.

He's one of those where the career didn't match what, like, the way I wish it had gone. Well, I think outside of the movies, he's considered, like, an American cultural institution because of contributions to dance or stuff like that. But I just feel like he just could have been in a bunch of cool movies. Yeah. Can I say, what is up with men's underwear in this movie? Well, the long, long. All the briefs or the long johns?

No, no, the long johns I get. It's when they, like, Panoliano, when he strips, like, there's two scenes of men in underwear and it's like these very tight little things. No, that was the era. Boxers weren't really... Caught a banana hammocks. Everybody wore those and those were comfortable? Why was that ever the move?

It was just the way it went. And in the 90s, I think I was one of the last people who didn't move to boxers. Oh. What about brief? You're talking about... No, he's talking about boxer shorts. When did the brief come into play? After boxer shorts, to my knowledge.

Commissioner and Camp in my fantasy league named my team the banana hammocks. Because those guys... Couldn't believe that I was still wearing that kind of underwear. I was like three years too late. But now I'm like full boxers. If you went to go play pickup basketball and were you wearing banana hammocks? Yeah, I think I was. Wow.

Yeah. Probably a mistake. A lot of mistakes were made in the 80s. Riding a Honda Elite. It wasn't anything I put thought into until I went to college because it was like, my mom bought me this underwear, so I'll wear it. It's useful to know that we were not bombarded with like information. about every single choice that we made back then. So it was kind of like underwear

was not something you thought about like a ton. It was just funny because the clothes back then were much bulkier and bigger and roomier and yet the underwear was incredibly tight. I think I switched to boxers in like the late 80s. Because when they, when... That was like 92 range. When Joey pants takes off his pants

and they show his underwear, I thought that was going to be like a big joke and they kind of just move right past it. No, I mean, there's this... When they're on the boat fishing, when Greg, He had this fishing. Yeah.

He's wearing like a thong. And it's pretty wild for a second. And I'm just like, I don't ever remember seeing outside of like the Mediterranean guys wear those. Yeah. That will never come back in America, I think. No. This has been undergarment talk with Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan. Produced by Craig Horlebeck.

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