The Rewatchables - ‘Scent of a Woman’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan celebrate 250 movies on The Rewatchables by dancing the tango and driving a Ferrari better than anyone has ever seen, as they revisit Al Pacino’s Oscar-winning role in ‘Scent of a Woman’, which also stars Chris O’Donnell and Philip Seymour Hoffman. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Then you can hear Chris on the watch next day. You can hear him here on the rewatchables. And we are doing something special because this is our 250th episode. We are opening the entire rewatchables catalog open to all platforms. So when you hear this, you can go back and you can, listen to any of the 250 movies that we've done. What was the most memorable that you've been on, the most memorable pod for you going back for, I mean, for us? I mean, the story going way back was we in the late 2015, you and I asked you, we both loved Tate. And I was like, we should just do an

entire heat episode for my podcast, which we did. People loved it. Kind of like, hmm. And then eventually the rewatchable's spring summer 2017 that started formulating. We did some We did some sports movie podcasts on mind, tinkered a little bit with the format, and then now here we are, end of the summer 2022. But what was your number one, you think, for memorable experience? Just your memorable filming experience or taping experience. Michael Mann being on the three heat. How does it get better than that?

He was into it. I think he was amused by how much we love the movie. As I've told many people, you couldn't, you can't hear it on the pod, but he was often silently laughing along with us. You know, there was a lot of smirks. We were cracking man up. A lot of smirks.

I recently watched Heat again, and I just feel like there's more meat on the bone. I just, I'm reading the book right now. I'm reading Heat 2. So Heat 2 is number one for fiction New York Times bestsellers. Yes.

If you ever want to do the rereadables, I'm right here. So you loved it. I thought, I mean, it was just, if you love Heat, it's really,

really like, oh my God, it's also a perfect summary, because if you got a couple of days off and you're just like I want to catch up with Chris and Vincent and the guys it's so awesome.

Well, the heat, Pacino, his performance in that was one of the reasons we started the rewatchable. So for the 250th episode, we thought we would pay tribute to the movie that finally won him an Oscar, which led to probably the most

Pacino impressions of any movie that he's done, which formed the eventual basis for his career, really from this point forward. I'm in the dark here! Senate of a woman is next. Charlie's got a big problem at school. You take the weekend to think about it.

And the only one who can help him. What do you want here? I want a job. Is this man? Our destination is New York City. I'm just going to have to turn right around and come back. Charlie's having a difficult weekend. He looks fine to me.

She likes you. Al Pacino. Women are the essence of life. Chris O'Donnell. She's not bad. Who bingo? Boys alive. Send of a woman rated R.

Now in Select Areas. All right, C.R. Cend of a woman came out 30 years ago. It won Al Pacino-Belated Oscar. It became a pretty polarizing Oscar win. And if anything, kind of shifted too far that way. But for people like us, we had spent, or I'd spent, although I was a little bit older by the time I finally got to see some of the 70s movies.

But Pacino had been in my life, my whole life, same for you. And it was always inconceivable that he'd never wanted Austin. It made no sense. The fact that he didn't went for Godfather part two was one of the all-time Oscar crimes that have ever happened. You could argue that he could have won for some other ones. And then he finally ends up getting a percent of a woman. We've talked about the Pacino arc.

He's in the 80s after Scarface. He starts doing plays. Comes back late 80s with Sea of Love, a movie that we will do on this podcast at some point. And it's like the second Pacino run, basically, from late 80s on. And this leads to the scent of a woman. It leads to Donny Brasco.

It leads to heat. It leads to Devil's Advocate. Another movie that we'll probably end up doing in any given Sunday. And this kind of Pacino Renaissance through the 90s. It all starts here. Do you think his performance

has been remembered fairly? Is it underrated? Is it slightly overrated? Where do you sit? It's such a weird movie. It's hard to say. I will say that I think that the caricature and the like,

the sort of impressions people do of this performance, the way that it sort of has lived on through popular culture, far outshadows the movie itself. I got to admit, like, re-watching it, I was like, oh yeah, I forgot. There's this whole other part of this movie that, you know, and like I had forgotten so many parts of it. It's a, funnily enough, I think it's like a very difficult movie considering the fact that it was such awards bait. You know, when you watch a movie like this in my mind and this performance. And you think about movies, like, as good as it gets, a couple years later, Jack Nicholson, like, roles where you felt like the actor was probably in the back of their mind, like, I'm getting nominated for this if everything clicks. Like, this is going to be

an award, award push for me. And you still see that today. I mean, like, you just see like, Benedict Cover Match and Power of the Dog is obviously like an awards bait performance. But when you watch this movie, I remember firing it up just the other day. I was like, oh, yeah, two hours and 36 minutes. It's not exactly like a crowd-pleasing movie, even though it has a crowd-pleasing scene in it. I would say it has like five or six crowd-pleasing scenes in it. And that's like kind of... I've watched this movie a bunch.

I love this movie. Flaws and all. But it is a movie where you're kind of waiting. It's almost like a concert where you're waiting for the next great song. Yeah. And this one has, it's got the Ferrari scene. It's got the tango scene. It's got the O'Donnell trying to talk about a killing himself scene.

It's got early Philip Seymour Hoffman, which is so much fun to watch, especially now that he's no longer with us. It's got all the boarding school stuff. It's got that incredible, it's pseudo-courtroom scene at the end, which is just, so it's, and then it's got that crazy Thanksgiving scene. So I think it moves six or seven times in great ways. And there's also stuff where you're going, well, why didn't they just cut that scene? Yeah.

Well, it's, or it's within scenes. Did you see the Martin Breast stuff where he took his name off the airplane? in the TV versions because they made cuts and he's like, how dare you touch this masterpiece? It's like, eh, we could have cut 20 minutes out of this. I want to talk about him because he's got one of the more fascinating careers. This is the third Martin Breast movie we were doing on this podcast. We did Beverly Hills Cop.

We did Midnight Run and now we're doing set of a woman. Yeah. He made like, I don't know, nine movies, 10 movies in the course of his career. Five of them have some kind of like crucible where he's like, I'm pulling my name off this thing or they took it. away from me or you guys don't understand my vision. It needs to be two hours and 36 minutes or Mito Black needs to be three hours long. It's a really, really wild career. But yeah, like it is definitely, it's got like it's peaks and valleys and it has like these sort of, it has multiple movies within

the movie. One of the reasons that I felt like we had to do this on the rewatchables and especially for 250, it combines all of these different things I love about 90s movies. It's got its flow. it's way over the top in a couple different ways. It's really memorable. You can jump in and out of it really whenever you want. You can even channel surf

be like, I'm going to come back for, you know, when Chris O'Donnell cries, that scene. I'll skip some of this other stuff. It's like, oh, Tango, I'll do Tango,

then I'll just pop back 50 minutes later. Yeah, I'll watch Bear Seahawks preseason for 20 minutes. So it's got that. It's definitely completely over the top. And it's got what I think my favorite thing about it is Pacino just going for it, which leads

to my next question. Vince and Hannah and Heat, is that just Colonel Slade with eyesight? What's the difference? And better close? The better comparison is the role that he was also nominated for this year, which is

Ricky Roma and Glenn Gary and Glenn Ross. Also very charming, also very difficult, also prone to yelling, has a bunch of really like you know, absolute barn-burner scenes. But there's something, I don't know if you want to say more nuanced about the, I prefer Glenn Gary Glenn Ross and that performance probably to this one just because it's got a little bit more variety of tone in the performance.

Like it's just like there's more shades of gray in that. But yeah, you can tell it he taps into the like basically the cocaine hit of screaming for the most part in this movie. He got into it earlier as a kid when he was doing Attica, Attica, and Dog Day. You know he can hit that register. But his just sort of randomly yelling the third word in a sentence really like pops off here. Yeah, because in Godfather too, which is either the greatest acting performance by a male actor of the last 50 years.

And if it's not, it has to be in the short list of when we argue about it. We talked about Daniel Day Lewis and there will be blood. But it's in whatever the final list is as you argue about it. He only really screams once. in the abortion scene, right? And when he gets mad in that scene, it's so effective because everything he's doing is with his eyes and just his faces and the tone of his voice

and his posture and how he sits with his legs crossed. And he was just, for a little guy, he was such a physical actor in that movie and just everything he's doing. And I think what was interesting about son of a woman when it came out all these years later was like they took away his eyes, which were like the key to Pacino.

Uh-huh. I think out of any great actor I always felt like his eyes were like the most devious and you could always read everything through there and they just take that away you can't see anymore and then he raised everything else

and I almost think he couldn't come back from it I think he threw him so much into this performance he kind of became Colonel Slate a little bit in a lot of his movies I'm not even really arguing because I love him in devil's advocate in any given Sunday and I love him in all those movies but it's just a different phase

he's doing Frank Slade in City Hall He's doing Frank Slade in any given Sunday. He's doing Frank Slade in Devil's Advocate. You're right. It became... Two for the money. Yeah. And it became actually in a weird way,

you know, we always, we kind of talk about De Niro and Pacino together a lot, both for the performance that they give together in heat, but also like the way that they manage their careers and some of the similarities and differences. And Al Pacino kind of his self-parity era, in some ways, is a little bit more entertaining than DeNiro.

De Niro's like, De Niro never really was like that. He's not like voluble. He doesn't scream a lot. He doesn't do a lot of like big flashy, showy shouting in his, any of his speech delivery. Whereas Puccino really starts to rest on it as he gets older and older. Yeah, De Niro's more came through the comedies. That's where he became a little self-parody. There was this comic actor De Niro thing that did it.

And he would more willingly make fun of like himself as like the gangster or something like that. I don't feel like Pacino does a ton of that. So Pacino wins best actor. This is a really good movie year, as we talked about. He beats Clint Eastwood and Unforgiven, which he did a couple weeks ago. He beats Downey Jr. and Chaplin, which was Downey Jr.'s kind of a rival as a real actor. Up until then, he had basically been the guy in back to school. But this was also during like peak Robert Downey Jr.'s in a motel room in Bakersfield kind of stuff going on, right?

The mystique starts here because it's like, can this guy basically stay alive? what an actor he is. Stephen Ray in the crying game. And then Denzel and Malcolm X. And when Pacino wins, I don't think it was as much of an outrage to some people as it would become later. I think the Malcolm X performance grew over time.

So my whole thing is, and usually we do the Oscar stuff later, but I think it's such an important piece of this movie because I think it was one of the reasons people, I don't want to say they turned on it, they, they, it almost like out kicked his coverage a little bit for what the movie was, where people like, oh, I was good, but come on. Three, they get nominated for best film and like, really.

But it's still a really well-done movie. But Denzel's performance, I think if you redo that one, it probably goes to Denzel. Well, because the, and the fix is right there. It's like you give Denzel best actor and you give Pacino best supporting actor. There's a way to make it so, so that you get both sides. And I know that best actor has like a much more, you know, it's a much bigger deal than winning best supporting actor. But like you could have had both and gone home happy that night. The fix is he should have won for Godfather part two.

Yeah, duh. Yeah. Yeah. And then if that happens, I think Denzo wins. But also, I think Denzel at that point, everybody knew he was great. And there was a little bit of a wait your turn with the Oscars with some of this stuff. So people were like, look, he got nominated. He's going to get his.

It's Pacino's year. But back then it's like, are we sure about that? that? It's not like they were making Malcolm X every two years. You know what I mean? Like, Denzel might not get a part like that. He does with Trading Day. But I think that the reason why people were kind of pissed off about this was it was, you know,

it was like, how often is a role like this going to come around for Denzel Washington? Yeah. I read in, like, I went back, I read some of the stuff that was around here, including Goldman's book. And it was like, Pacino was a lock by the time the Oscars. Like, there was no debate about I wonder what's going to happen. Everybody was like, Pacino is absolutely winning. There was a sense that it was a lot.

a little bit of a career achievement, but he's also really memorable in this movie. I mean, it's definitely like, if you want to say he dials it up a tiny bit, whatever, he obviously does. But he creates this pretty unique character.

I mean, it's really indelible as you're watching it. There's never been a character quite like Colonel Slate, I don't think. Yeah, and then you, it's been such a fascinating movie to think about over the last couple weeks knowing that we were going to do this

because watching it with today's eyes, you're like, this guy is really, just unacceptable as a human being at this point. Right. You're like, I mean, that was one of the things I loved about rewatch it. I was thinking about all the different ways people would lose their minds, including, like, I think it would have to be a blind actor now, right?

I mean, do they, well, I wasn't even, I mean, beyond that, I was actually thinking. How politically incorrect he is, too. Yeah, I was imagining basically, what if anybody had been around Frank Slade with an iPhone and just was like, did a video of like, check out this guy talking about pussy on my plane. This guy has had six Jack and Jack Daniels. We're only flying 45 minutes. He's flying a 17-year-old on a plane telling him about pussy.

Check out this guy storming into the Waldorf Astoria and asking for an escort. Like, if you just view this movie through the lens of an iPhone, you're just like, holy shit, this guy. So going back to the 92, a lot of buzz about this movie. in that whole cycle that we've always talked about where that 89 to 93 where the the hype of a movie really became part of the movie. There's a lot of casting stuff about this where the Chris

O'Donnell part was the hottest part in Hollywood for a young actor. I mean, probably, I would say one of the hot young actor parts ever because everybody knew Pacino was going to be Colonel Slade. Martin Brest was coming off. Midnight Run. What was his other one right before Midnight Run? It was Barelyle Scott. Yeah. So he. He was like, he didn't do a movie every year, but when he did it, it was a big commercial movie. And, you know, had a big budget. And everybody knew and everybody wanted that part.

And then for Pacino, the feeling, I think, that whole year was like, this is going to be a big movie. And this is going to be his Oscar movie, which is pretty much how it was also written by Bull Goldman. This became one of his famous screenplays. Yeah, he wrote Shoot the Moon. He wrote What Flew Over the Cuckoo's Next. Yeah. Can I just say on the O'Donnell casting part? Yeah.

One of my favorite things to read about or listen to people talk about in interviews is those guys talking about the roles that they were all up for in the late 80s and early 90s. So, Damon always talks about the primal fear role, the Edward Norton won. And how like that everybody in Hollywood knew that that was going to basically be a career-changing role. I made him talk about that on my podcast with him. I'm the same. I fucking love those stories when it's like my whole life can change if I get this. And then Edward Norton has this long story about going up to meet Francis Ford Coppola about Rainmaker, the John Grisham adaptation. But Coppola starts talking to him and Norton's like, well, what I really

want to do is make American History X. And Copla is basically like you should just go do that. Like, that sounds like something you're passionate about. And all the different sliding doors from around then. And sometimes it's movies that are kind of forgotten to time, like Geronimo, the Matt Damon made. It's just like you don't even hear about it anymore. But like all of those guys were going after these roles at the same time. Yeah, and we covered this in the school ties pot a couple weeks ago about. It just for whatever reason was a surplus of really good young actors. Yeah, wasn't the cast of school ties, basically up four cent of a woman? Yeah, I can do this casting what ifs now. Every single kid in the cast plus Steven Dorff and all these other people all audition for the role of Charlie.

And then Matt Damon said in Vanity Fair in 97, he said the whole school ties cast went down in audition for it. My agent says, here's one with a young role in, oh, my God, it's got Al Pacino in it, exclamation point. So I go up to Chris O'Donnell and I say, have you heard about this movie? And he says, currently, yeah. So I say, do you have the script? And he's like, yeah, can I see it? No, I kind of need it, he said. And he said, Chris wouldn't give the script to anybody. Interesting. So there's, you have that all dynamic. And then when O'Donnell's great in this movie, you would have bought all the stock in the world on him after this movie as, and we talked about this in the schoolstice pod.

Even though he gets this role from Damon, Damon ends up market correcting him and is in a lot of the movies that really O'Donnell could have been in rounders. He easily could have been the skinny guy in Courage Under Fire or whatever. All those other guys from this era kind of get the better parts.

Leo would have been an interesting one too. I'm not positive Leo was old enough to pull off the senior former football player. He was still pretty skinny kid Leo in this. but anyway, there was a lot of stuff. So a lot of buzz, a lot of attention, and then ultimately the hoo-ah! And that became how we did Pacino impersonations.

It all came from this movie and Dog Day Afternoon. Which is why it's so funny when you see people who are actually good at Pichito impersonations doing like him doing American Buffalo or him doing Serpico or him doing injustice for all. And it's like, oh, there's this whole other way to like kind of think about this actor that's not just going,

O'A, every five seconds. I really enjoy the hell out of them in this movie. The Thanksgiving scene, which we'll get to, and Bradley Wittford's character is just ripping in the shreds. He's like, oh, definitely did that.

And he's like, look at me when you're talking to me, Randy. Director's commentary. Oh, here we go. 30 million dollar budget. It made $134 million. This movie was a huge movie that sold out for weeks and weeks.

nominated for Best Director, Best Picture, Best Screenplay. Pacino wins. Nobody else got nominated from the movie, including O'Donnell, which I thought was pretty interesting. But again, it was a loaded year. And Best Supporting Actor, Hackman wins for Unforgiven, Jay Davidson, Crying Game, Nicholson, a few good men, Al Pacino, Glenn, Gary, Glenn Ross, and then David Pamer for Mr. Saturday Night.

So maybe that was the spot. Or it was a spot for my guy, my guy Phil. For George Jr. Do you want to do Phil now or later? We could do them later. Okay. Our guy, Raj, he's back after some rough weeks on the rewatchables, three and a half stars. He said, Al Pacino, one of his best and riskiest performances.

By the end of the end of the woman, we have arrived at the usual conclusion of the coming of age movie and the usual conclusion of the prep school movie, but rarely have we been taken there with so much intelligence and skill. How do you feel about this as a prep school movie? So here's what I like about. I was going to talk about this and what's age the best, but we can do it now. I think it does a really nice job

of explaining the dynamics of the old money and the legacy stuff, which school ties gets into too, but I think it does it much more smartly here, versus like the kid who passes into that world who doesn't have kind of the same kind of street smarts with how this shit would go,

who's in there and can get chewed up and spat out if he crosses the wrong people. Like these guys, if not for Colonel Slate, he probably gets expelled, right? And he doesn't know what happened. And all of a sudden, he's on his way home, wondering, and the old boy network got him. And Slade is the one who flips it.

But I do like that aspect of it. I like the fact that, I mean, you could argue those guys are too douchy, but they're good villains. In a different movie, I think that they're even douchier and they're even more cruel. Like, you're right,

there's that weird tension where even Havermeyer is like selling the vacations. Like it's almost like a timeshare. You know, and he's just like, it's going to be three Gs to do this, and it's like skiing in Stod, and it's like the G is silent and all that shit.

I love the fact that even though these guys are supposed to be these like aristocrats, they're still trading, you know, thousands of dollars back and forth to pay for lift tickets at Sugarbush or Sugarbush. Yeah, and by the way, pretty accurate. You know, and there's that part at the end when Charlie walks away

and one of the kids goes, what are you doing? you know he doesn't have the money to pay for that. And he's like, I like sprinkling it down to the common man or whatever that the bad guy says. But it's like, all right, that's all you need to know about these guys. These guys are fucking douches. Ironically, Hoffman plays the same kind of douche and Freddie and Talented Mr. Ripley. Yeah.

Same kind of these guys levitating above who have such disdain to anybody who don't have the same kind of money and with the same kind of background that they did, right? You have to prove it. You have to get in their club. but you're never going to really be in that club. I thought they did a good job with that. Yeah, I think there's a lot of good prep school movie elements of it. There's this, yeah, like, you know, like some of my favorite chocolate war is another great prep school movie.

But yeah, there's like, you know, it quickly moves away from being a prep school movie to be in New York movie before it turns into a courthouse drama. To being a deranged alcoholic on the loose for a weekend movie. We're going to do, we're going to talk about the categories of getting a whole bunch of other stuff after this. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here, so celebrate it with fresh, juicy, seasonal produce and some very tasty, limited time flavors. New Whole Foods, Market Peach, Apricot, Rose, Italian soda. Perfect for a picnic or brunch, as is their trending mango, Yuzu chantilly cake.

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basically decide to write Scotty J for Boogieheads. You have scholarship from Oregon. It bared. You're a long way from home, Chad. What was that to do with anything? I don't know how it works out there. But how it works here, we stick together. It's us against them no matter what. We don't cover our ass.

We don't tell our parents. Stole everybody. And above all, never. Never. Leave any of us. twisting in the wind. The best thing about that scene is how fucking much Hoffman is like almost slapping him in the face. He's like touching him.

He's like always touching him. And then he kind of like cocks back a couple of times like he's going to give him a little love tap. But it's just like and then you could almost see the character or Hoffman himself being like, what am I doing? But it's like such a nervy, weird, cool performance all just in that one bit. It's funny. He stood out so much in this movie. I had no idea who he was.

I mean, this was his biggest break, right? And it was one of those performances that any time after you saw him in this, it was like, oh, the guy from Sending the Woman, because he's in, let's see, movies you would have seen. I guess he was in the getaway. He was in when a man loves a woman, he was a nobody's fool. He was in Hard 8 quickly. But then Twister was like his big, oh, because he had a big part in Twister,

and he's really funny in it. Is Twister a rewatchable? Yes. What are you talking about? Okay. I feel like it is. I don't, I never know what this stuff. Were you on the fence about Twister? I thought this was one of the like, I'm holding out so that we still have something to talk about in five years. All right. Twister, fine. But Twister, when he hits on Twister, it was like, the set of a woman guy, he's back. Yeah. Here we go. And then Scotty Jay,

it's like, oh, this guy's going to be in my life now. Like there's no coming back. That's the thing that's so great about Scotty J. though, is he captures what makes Hoffman good as the weirdo in these mainstream movies. Yeah. And makes him like one of the main characters of an indie movie. It's just, it's so smart. And then talented Mr. Ripley the year after Bougainz. But him feeling

him out, there's just some like crazy actor shit going on there, which is like if you, we've watched enough movies where people jump out in that scene, you're like, oh, this guy's something. There's something here. Not fully a rewatchable scene unto itself, but worth mentioning is the way that

he talks to the old woman, Mrs. Hunsacker. Oh, yeah. And he's just like, Did you knit this scarf by yourself? Is this one of yours? How about before we go away on Thanksgiving break, you give me one of your big hugs? And it's just like such a bullshit artist. But it's so good. And she's just like, George, get the fuck away from me.

But like, it's so great. One of the great rich douche actors. Yeah. Because Freddie is like he takes this guy to a whole other level. Oh, yeah. Next one is the airplane scene, which you mentioned earlier. Tits. Who.

big ones, little ones, nipples staring right out at you, like secret searchlights. Tits, staring at you, big ones, little ones. Can you imagine being the person behind him? And you're just like about to crack open one of those New Yorkers you haven't read in a while. You know, like, you're like, I got to get through these back issues.

And then all of a sudden he's just like, two syllables, Pussy! Are you listening to me, son? I'm giving you pearls here. And you're just like, is this guy's fucking kid? Like, what is going on? It's just an amazing scene. When he takes him to the oak room,

Charlie doesn't have the jacket on. He starts giving the waiter shit about getting Charlie a drink. And that's when it's a really smart scene and it's not the most rewatchable scene, but it sets up everything that's going to happen in a really good way. Now you're like, all right, what's going to happen on this?

How are these two points going to Yeah, we're leading to something here. Thanksgiving dinner is just flat out. One of the best eight minutes. It's probably going to be my pick. Yeah. Gail strikes me as a very beautiful woman. But you know, there's a little tension in a voice.

I don't know what it is. Could be one of two things. Either Gail is nervous or unsatisfied. What's your point, Uncle Frank? You ought to go down on her. Cut it up, Frank, will you? You've gotten so wrapped up in a lot. sugar business, you've forgotten the taste of real

honey. Frank, for God's sake. Hear that voice? There's fire under that dress. Will you cut it out? Why don't you just get the fuck out of here? Get in your limousine. Snowflake sugar. Hear that voice? There's fire under there. The brother,

how horrified he is. He kind of knows how it's going to play out. How about how he basically gropes Gretchen, his brother's wife? Gritchin, come in, let me get a sniff. And then that other kid who just doesn't say anything, he's just so traumatized by Colonel Slade. And then Bradley Whitford, kind of going for it.

Awesome. Also wearing the quintessential early 90s shirt, the Gap denim button up that every dude wore for like four years. What's cool about that scene is, you know he's going to snap. It's almost like a Jaws from Shark scene where it's, I'm just going to take this swim and the music starts playing. And you're like, what's going to be the thing that pushes Slate over the top? Finally does it. One of my favorite dysfunctional holiday scenes ever.

The tango scene is wonderful. Would you like to learn to tango, Donna? Right now. I'm offering you my services. Free of charge. What are you saying? I think I'd be a little afraid. Afraid of making a mistake.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, get all tangled up. Just tango on. Why don't you try?

Where do you stand on Gabrielle Anwar and how the career turned out? Probably like, probably not as much as I, but not as big as I thought she was going to be coming out at 1992 when she's like the third person and incentive woman.

What about you? She lost out on, cutting edge to Moira Kelly. Oh, so she was up for that? Yeah, because she was figure skaters. She had a 9-0-2-1-0 episode in like the second or third year. She put a figure skater who Brandon fell in love with. Like, she actually was like a real figure skater.

And I think cutting edge would have flipped it for her. Never had the right part. I always thought she was like so pretty and likable and just kind of never, but she was around. She had a good career, but never had that one role. She was with Craig Sheffer for a while, another 90s icon. Yeah. that tango scene's great.

I love dance scenes like that. The surprise dance scenes where everybody in the room is just, we're like, oh my God, what an amazing moment this is. But that's another kind of like, I was having dinner and this guy started tangoing. This blind guy starts tangoing for five minutes.

And then the miracle, the boyfriend miraculously shows up. Yeah. Hey, thanks for keeping her warm, which I love that, I love that game too. The Ferrari scene, oh, by the way,

in that tango scene, Anwar claimed in 2013 that Pacino did not attend any of the tango rehearsals and said it was a bit dodgy I have a few sort of half-broken toes still but it's Al Pacino for God's sakes I couldn't complain he was incredibly nice to him. I also love that there's this tango scene

and then Robert Duval made a movie about tango like he directed it and so there was like these five minutes in the 90s where we were like we have to take tango seriously because Duval and Pacino are bringing it back. That's hilarious. It was like swing dancing, but for older guys.

Yeah. The Ferrari scene. It's left, I guess. Left, I knew it. Okay, now? We're going to do it anyway, all right? Whether you say so or not, here we go. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, there I go.

Wait, now. Oh, yeah. For me, the Ferrari scene has to include Freddie, the whole negotiation with Freddie and the Ferrari dealership. Freddie, the Ferrari guy. And then finally doing it. No, no, the guy that they actually... And then Ron Elder comes in.

She's never quite made it. We'll talk about that later. One of the most improbable scenes in a 90s movie, but it somehow seems realistic that this guy was doing hairpin turns, blind. Tell me when, Charlie. It is definitely the biggest nitpick of this movie. Oh, yeah.

It's ludicrous. Try driving five miles per hour down in a shopping mall parking lot that's empty with your eyes closed. It's impossible. It's impossible. I might have tried to drive with my eyes closed to see how long I can do it a couple times. Next one is Charlie Save Slade, the famous Chris O'Donnell cries scene. Yeah. You got integrity, Charlie.

I don't know whether they shoot you or adopt you. How much for choice is it, sir? Don't get shoot now. Colonel, could you please put the gun away? I ask you a question. Do you want me to adopt you or don't you? This scene, it just gets me. I can't decide whether to adopt you or kill you.

Yeah. It's just... That's how you feel about Solac, right? Well, I'm giving a little bonus award here to Chris O'Donnell for this scene. The time size more... is the juice award. Best toe to toe to toe moment for a non-star. He goes fucking toe-to-to-to-pecino for five minutes.

That's why he, I mean, that's why everybody in town wanted that role, right? Oh, my God. But he really did it. Like, he's just as good as Pacino in that scene. And, you know, that leads to 30 years later. He's on season 19 of CSI, Los Angeles. But even worked up the tier. McConaughey, a couple years later on time to kill.

He worked up the tier. The tier is crucial, Chris. After 30 years on CSI, L.A., he could probably buy the Knicks. So we should, we don't have to mock Chris O'Donnell. I wasn't mocking him. I was praising him. You stay on CSI for 19 years. It's impressive.

If you had worked up a fake tear, I feel like Take Hunter would still be on the air. I know. If you had cried at the end of Take Hunter for it, like real tears. Not like Onion tears, but real tears. That scene became the iconic scene of this movie, though. And that was one of those in the theater. Really emotional. you could hear a pin drop and you didn't know where it was going

and the whole thing. The next one I have is the second half of the boarding school hearing. Not the first half? No, after Slade shows up. When Slade shows up, now we're off. You don't like Trask's monologue about ethics? Yeah.

A lot of expository stuff there really. But yeah, the flamethrower scene became the famous quote from this movie. Someone here, and I'm not going to say who, offered to buy it. only Charlie here wasn't selling. Sir, you're out of order. I show you out of order.

You don't know what out of order is, Mr. Trask. I'd show you, but I'm too old. I'm too tired. I'm too fucking blind. If I were the man I was five years ago, I'd take a flame throw into this place. Who the hell do you think you're talking to? So do you want to break down that scene now or later?

Let's do it now. So, do you think that his... Beaches as convincing as it is in the movie where they're just like unanimous decision in favor of Charlie. But like when you really listen to him, he's just basically screaming about guys getting amputated. It's not like he ever like undoes the case made against Charlie, right? It's just basically him shouting about like the hypocrisy of Baird. Well, he's not going to be a snitch. You're going to amputate his soul. He does hit some good beats. but yeah ultimately I don't I don't know if it just would have been

they come to a verdict a minute later the speech definitely had a couple holes I do love what he does then and Harry and Bennett and fuck you too fuck you too but he uh he just goes for it I love when they come back with the verdict like immediately yeah and he's like

in Charlie we'll have no no sanctions taken to him and it comes to the opportunity. It's like, whewa. And then the crowd goes nuts. Great stuff. It's like also I do really wonder about like what kind of what kind of like level of control does

Trask have over the school. So he just has to like do this whole speech and then like Mrs. Hunsacker and three students are like we find unanimously for Charlie. Right. Well and I'll tell you this with the way you know, I have some prep school experience. First of all everybody in the school would know who did it

five minutes, right? There would be no public hearing. They would just, those kids would come in and they would be like, you're either going to get expelled or you're going to confess. And Charlie, and one of the big flaws in this movie is Charlie and Hoffman's character, they do not become the fulcrum of this story. Those other three kids are getting into. Habermeyer and Trent.

Yeah, they're on trial. Hoffman's character is going to throw them under the bus. They're going to come in and they're going to get, uh, proboscis. for three months and a whole bunch of detention shit and everything else. The last scene is a small one, but I love when the teacher hits on Slade when it comes full circle or half circle. This guy's landing redheads. Yeah.

I'd love to hear about OBJ's cabinet sometime. Just fucking classic. He finally gets the perfume thing to work. Yeah. Took him seven tries. And you could argue the movie should end there. So what was most rewatchable for you? Yeah.

I mean, I probably have the second half of the courtroom scene just because it's so riveting. And it is really like the dramatic sort of apex of the movie. I guess I can hear you out on like Chris O'Donnell's one single tier. But I like the courtroom scene more. I like boarding school through the teacher. I also love the Thanksgiving scene. And I'm always going to watch the tango scene if I'm flipping channels. If it's about to happen, I'm watching it.

I love a disrupted holiday dinner. Me too. What's age the best? nominal score in this movie. Thomas Newman, yeah. Like really, really an actual character in this movie that I thought helped it. We mentioned the rich family, poor family, prep school dynamics. I love that.

I love the John Daniels thing. I'd never heard that before. He's just calling him John Daniels. He has his little joke. Yeah, when you know it as long as I have. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Rebhorn.

Does great. All time, that guy. Yeah. He was in Talented Mr. Ripley. he's been in a million things. Just plays the sleaze ball. The seemingly put together a sleaze ball about as well as anybody.

He's really good in Carlito's way, too. I really. Yeah. Hint, hint. The boarding school stuff, this is the tail end of a great boarding school run of movies. We're starting with, like, great poets. I bet dead poets.

School ties is in there. You get this movie. There's some other ones. Puccino. So O'Donnell said Pacino was 21, or O'Donnell was 21 made this movie. Puccino gave him the following advice while on the set. Quote, he always told me, don't ever marry an actress. He said, you'll always be second in their life.

And O'Donnell listened to him and he never married an actress. That's a recurring theme from celebrities saying don't marry an actress or a female celebrity. Hasnizabeth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he married Beverly DeAngelo after he gave Chris O'Donnell that advice. So you have that.

For what's the best? This is going to be weird. The whole concept of Oscar debates and people really starting to get a matter on the Oscars, I feel like it starts somewhere in this scent of a woman with this Pacino versus Denzel, but really peaks with the Forrest Gump Pulp Fiction, Shawshank. And a lot of it had to do with the Premier magazine

and the way things were being covered and just we had more awareness of the big picture movie stuff. But I do feel like the Oscars, this is really when people started arguing about them in a real way. Like, in and totally, like, we would be at bars arguing about

who should have won. And I don't remember that happening before this movie. I think that the Oscars just desperately needs competitive years like this. And people's feelings are going to get hurt and there's going to be some spilled milk. But at the end of the day,

like I think that it's so much more interesting when you've got four or five awards that are like really, really hotly contested and you could see the argument for either person winning. And this is still early enough in the trajectory of the Pacino generation of actors

where I feel like on one hand you could make the argument where it's like you gotta give Pacino like you finally have to do this, you have to crown him for this. But on the other hand, he's not so much older than Denzel Washington

that they're not like in competition with one another. You know, do you know what I mean? Yeah. So I agree with you. It's a really fun beginning. And it's too bad we don't have that anymore, really. Another one's aged the best is between this and Rain Man a few years ago,

this starts the running joke about here's how you actually win an Oscar. Like what box are you going to check where you have to overcome some sort of something and win it? And we saw some hilarious attempts after this. Like Val Kilmer, was that movie with Mir Sarvino where he played the blind guy who got us at first sight? He gets his sight back. And then like, yeah, isn't there a Christian player one where he's got like a heart transplant? Yeah, he's a heart transplant.

I am Sam with Sean Penn. Gilbert Grape. Yeah. Well, Gilbert Crape. I mean, Leo was unbelievable in that. But yeah, this starts a pretty crazy run that pretty much Jody Foster and Nell ends up killing it.

Right. Killing the momentum of it. Because Nell is just in incoherent. Anyone out there listening, if you've ever want to watch an all-time What the Fuck movie, I would cue up now. It's just one of those things where, like, you can tell that the genesis of the movie is generally speaking, like, what did this actor want to accomplish in this role rather than, like, is this story good or something?

Yeah. Another one's age the best is just the life you mentioned earlier with the role, when the role becomes famous. Primal Fear was another one. This one. The Neil part in Dead Poets Society. These certain roles where all the actors around the same age group know, like, this would be the role that just. changes my life. Yeah.

I don't think that feel like that happens as much anymore. I think that there was a little bit of that for Top Gun 2. I mean, obviously, maybe not as grammatically like... Older people, though. But yeah, I think... I think you hear about sometimes where like 40 guys are up for some superhero role, but for the most part, yeah, you don't really have like the meaty dramatic role that a bunch of people are going for.

Any other with stage the best? I think it's just like, loki, a really good New York movie. I really got charmed by like them pulling up on the... Waldorf Astoria. They were allowed to shoot inside of a lot of the hotels. I love the idea that this was still pre-Rezy when you could just like call up these places. And if you had the juice, you could be like, get me into the oak room at 8 p.m. on a Friday night. Now it would just be like, you can come at 5 or 10.30. There's no in between. That's hilarious. And I was also wondering, like, how many people does he actually know? Because he's always like, talk to Mr. Gilbert in the front

office. And it's like, does, does he know all these guys? Or is he just pulling names out of a dead error? I had one more, Wood's Age the Best is when, um, when somebody has a disability, but then has superhuman powers. Oh, yeah, like his fire smell. Yeah. His power and just his ability, be like, let me guess, Charlie, five, seven redhead and just like, you're blind. How do you know all this stuff? But he just, he's, he kept calling himself a bat. Like, he can, he can see everything. Um, the kid cut. Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. We have a couple quick ones.

I didn't know what to do with this one. This movie didn't really have any... Evangeline, the Dali Parton song that he turns on in his radio. I mean, there's really not... Thomas Newman really wins this. Yeah, I agree. The Big Cohooner Burger Award

for Best Use of Food or Drink. Just that John Daniels, that whole thing, I thought was perfect. When you makes me take the inventory of the mini bar? Yeah. The Dent of Thieves Benihanna Award for Scene Stealing Locations. It's got to be either the Waldorf, Ward of Waldorf for the Storia

or the Oak Room. Yeah, I think it's the Oak Room. Okay. Would you have for the great shot Gordo Award, most cinematic shot? I have the shot of the two, it's like a two shot of those two guys sitting at the table when they announced the verdict

and he goes, woo-ah, and then in the back, everybody stands up and cheers. It's kind of like a pretty straightforward visual movie, so it's not a lot of great shot Gordo stuff in this. Butch's Girlfriend Award for the Weeklink of the film. I was very curious to see where you're going to go with this. I think the movie should end after the red-headed teacher talks to Slade.

I think we're done. We've done everything we need to do with this movie. I don't need to spend any more time with the characters. They're walking away on the sidewalk, and he goes, let me guess, Charlie, 5-7, Redhead, and they're just, that's it. We're done. I don't need to say goodbye to me and the chauffeur

as much as I love them. I don't need to see him go back to the house with the little kids. I don't need one more goodbye with him and Charlie. We're good. it's real Martin brush shit to just be like, nope, we're going to stay for all of it. Yeah, I got another eight minutes for you guys.

As he's walking away, you literally just get up. What do you have? I wonder whether or not we needed such an extensive experience with, what is it, is it Karen Rossi? Is that whose house he's living in? Oh, yeah. It's just like,

we really need this vacation on Thanksgiving to go to my husband's parent's house for Thanksgiving. Here's how you just show up. Yeah. He should look at the note for the here's the job available. And next thing is he goes to the house. Yeah.

And she's like, you're hired here's $300. We're leaving. And instead it's like, I think 15, 20 minutes where she's still like giving the kids a bath and talking about the cat. And like you're just like, you're just like, you got to get the fuck out of here. Well, that's why I wanted to get away from them at the end too. I mean, you could argue you just take that family out. We don't need to know anything about it. We just need to know Colonel Slade's going to New York for the weekend.

So did you go to boarding school? I did. I went, I did one year. Was there a job posting's bullet? Like, was there like a really active bulletin board scene? Don't, don't remember that. Okay. Yeah, the bulletin board scene.

Yeah, I guess that could be a nitpick. What's age the worst? We mentioned some of the PC stuff. We don't need to dwell on that. Well, I mean, can we just talk briefly about like whether or not, like, do, do, I'm sure they do, but would a guy who is just like, I need escorts being, like, so like asking every single person. I know that you're supposed to be able to, like,

discreetly ask bellhops for stuff, but, like, he's basically, like, I would like an escort to everybody who listens from the second he checks in at the Waldorf Astoria. I feel like early 90s, late 80s, anything went. Okay. Yeah, I'm not against it. I didn't jump out of me.

It felt realistic to me. I'm sure it was realistic, but I just wonder now it's like, it would just be like, this guy's getting red flagged? Pre-internet was just a darker time. Let's be honest. You could just get the village voice out. You have to figure it out. Yeah, there was no watchdogs at all. I had, I really, the first, they're sitting in first class.

Oh yeah. Just seemed really cheap. Yeah, like the seats were bad. It just didn't feel, nothing felt fancy about it. It just made me think how first class in airplanes in the early 90s was now we, no way that would be the first class. It would be so much nicer. I think the other thing, though, is I just can't get over the amount of whiskey. He has, guys on a 45-minute flight where he's just like, have her come back. And it's like, we're descending now, by the way. I was going to do this for unanswerable questions, but how many drinks a day do you think Slade was up to? Well, she's like, if you can keep him before, that's great. And then the other guy is like, well, if you can keep him to 40,

you're doing fine. So I'm going to go eight to nine doubles over the course of a day. Seems like he starts drinking basically at lunch. So it's like 16 shots a day, basically. It feels like he would be a little mess here. Yeah, it feels like he'd be urinating all over himself with the oak room. Another wood sage the worst. I mean, this could be a nitpicks, too, but I do feel like it should be in Woodsage the worst. It's kind of dropped just very quickly that Charlie was the star halfback of Baird.

I think he's kidding, isn't he? No, I didn't... When he introduces him, is that at the Thanksgiving dinner? Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, but I think he was, because I don't think he made it. I don't think he said that in a joking way. Oh, so he's like a little like Christian McCaffrey type guy? Yeah.

So I feel like something must have been cut or whatever. But, you know, because he's coming from Idaho, right? And he's like on. Yeah. Or Oregon. And he's, but it makes so much more sense if he's like this football recruit that comes there. Yeah, but then Trass can't be thrown around canceling this guy's like ride to school. They need him for the run game.

No, but the season already happened. Oh. Because it's Thanksgiving. This is just how we use. senior. Now it's like, all right, we chewed you up. You already played football for us. That's it. Because that's how also would explain how he was going to Harvard. This is why we need NIL. But I just wanted, was he a football player or wasn't he? And if he was, I needed like somebody else to mention that.

Like one of the guys, like, oh, big football guy or something. He doesn't strike me as a football player. So you think Slade was kidding? Yes. I don't know. I felt like he was serious. Any other what stage is the worst for you? Just generally, like Frank Slade at holiday dinners seems just like a nightmare. And, yeah, like I was just mentioning.

Like, his real focus on escort seems like it would be sort of distracting at a certain point. See, I didn't even, I wasn't fazed by Frank Slate at dinner because that's what any holiday dinner with my mom is like. So it was fine. Is your mom Frank Slade? Bounced off me. Yeah. My mom's Frank Slade was sight. The Ron Burgundy Flutter Word for Best Time for a P-break.

You could go the first 15 minutes of the movie. You'd miss some boarding school stuff. You could go right after the Red Ed teacher. Or my choice, after the Thanksgiving dinner, the load in the gun scene, which I think is just an automatic cut. We don't need it. It's like six minutes and it's like we don't need it. We've already laid the groundwork that he's probably going to try to kill himself at the end of this weekend. We don't need the scene to set up the scene later.

It's just, it was an easy cut, I felt like. Yeah, there's a couple of scenes like that. Well, it actually, for me, it actually happens within scenes where I'm like, wow, this conversation is still happening. You know, like, we've gotten, you've gotten the point across and then it goes on for another like two minutes. But yeah, loading the gun thing is funny. Was there a better title for this movie?

I actually don't think so. I like the title. I had an amputated spirit, but I don't think that would have played as well. Yeah. I don't see that's all at 135. million dollars in tickets. Best quote is Frank Slade talking about the ladies. The day we stop looking, Charlie, is the day we die.

Put that in your high school yearbook, kids. Frank Slate on the ladies. Did you pass that one on to Ben? Yeah. We're going to take a break and then a hottest take award. All right, the Stephen A. Smith's hottest take award. We should mention the hottest take coming back on the ringer. Oh, yeah.

I think on August 29th did some, you and I both. did some. I did some I was excited about, actually. You had a two-parter. I had a two-parter. First ever two-part out of his take. So I already did Vincent Hanna's just slayed with eyesight. I'm going to go here. I think you could make the case. This isn't one of Pacino's eight best performances.

I would agree. Godfather 1 and 2. I think it's behind those. Dog Day, definitely. And justice for all. For me, it's below it. Okay. Heat is one of the great performances of my life, even though I don't know if it'll go that way,

but I'm fucking Vincent Hanna, just inject that in my veins every time. You know I'm down. Come on. Give me what you got! Any given Sunday, I think he's better. You haven't said Serpico yet. I can't tell if you're going chronologically or not.

So I have Danny Collins. I think he's better. You think he's better in Danny Collins than he is in sent a woman? I think he's fucking amazing. in Danny Collins. I thought he was amazing in that movie. Okay. I really like Danny Collins. Just a more nuanced performance in a lot of ways.

Okay. But I think it's debatable Danny Collins versus this movie. And the 8th spot is what appeals to you. You could go Serpico here, you could go Scarface. Okay, I can do, I think I might even push this out of the top ten, if I'm being honest.

Do you want to hear it? We could do Scarface and Serpico. I would probably say Serpico and Scarface are definitely above it. Godfather's above it. Personally, I know that... Godfather one and two. Yeah. Godfather, like, just say Michael Corleo together. Would you go, would you put three above it? Yes. I would. I think he's incredible in three. We've talked about this. I would put Glenn Gary above it. I would, I would even go as far to say as I'd put... Oh, Glenn Gary. Yeah, if you're going supporting. Yeah. I'm a big panic and needle park person.

Yeah, you're not getting me on that one. Okay. And then The Irishman? Oh, the insider. Oh, fuck. I should have had the insider. You're right. I say this. I really love son of a woman.

I probably like it more than most, and I love him in it. I just think it's a little... This is just what kind of career he's had. Yeah, he's one of the greatest actors of my lifetime. And this performance is just a whiff gimmicky. And I think compared to some of the other stuff he's done. But I also think he has the most fun in this movie

of really any movie other than heat that he's been in. Maybe Injustice for All. Maybe Carlito's way. He's living it up in Carlito's way. One of the reasons I love this movie is I just think Pacino turned himself forward to the movie. I'm fucking going for it in this movie. And I love when he goes for it in movies.

So anyway, that would be my take. What's yours? As far as whether it's in the top 10? No, hottest take. Oh, I think that... Yeah, Karen Rossi should be ashamed of herself. She's got this blind guy living in a shed with a cat, and she's just like, yeah, we're going away for Thanksgiving.

It's like, maybe think about your responsibilities. You signed up to take care of this man. You're just abandoning him to a teenager. Yeah, that's terrible. Karen Rossi sucks. I hope the kid cried on the airplane both ways. She drove. Oh, I hope he cried in the car.

Casting what ifs. Pacino turned it down. Belatedly agreed. But in the meantime, Jack Nicholson was offered Colonel Slade, turned it down. And arguably did do Colonel Sladen if you could bet. Better or worse movie with Nicholson. It's impossible to say, and I'm sure it would be much... Completely different movie.

Completely different. That's what I was going to say. I think it's darker and more uncomfortable with Nicholson. Because Pacino has a way, like, honestly, this blind guy takes this 17-year-old kid in New York and there's escorts and he's driving a Ferrari with him and he's trying to kill himself in the hotel room. Yeah, and it's like... With Nicholson, I feel like that's like a more sin of... our movie.

I think it's better with Pacino. Yeah. Also, who got a few good men out of it, so it's good. Who knows if this is true? But according to an interview

with Conan O'Brien in 1997, Slash the loan claim that he turned down the role of Colonel Frank Slate. I can't even imagine. I'm in the dark here. That's really good, though. I'm going to take a flame

throw into this place. Father was half the man. He'd basically be doing his Rocky Force speech. If I could change, God can change. So Hoffman said he had to audition five times to get the part of George. She was living in Brooklyn on a futon,

working at Delhi. This was his break. He said in 2008, sometimes he'll catch a son of a woman on TV and he'll say, quote, I'll watch it. And I say, do less, Phil, do less.

less, less, less. Now I'm a little bit mortified by parts of my performance, but back then it was huge. It was pure joy to get through the work. And then Paul Thomas Anderson said, he saw Hoffman in this movie, quote, it was one of those ridiculous moments where you call someone and say,

you're my favorite actor. And then he wrote Scotty J for him. So Scent of a Woman leads to Scotty J., which I think has to be added to the Ws for Senn of a Woman. That's so awesome. There's also one other casting what if, which I thought was really cool. It was Chris Rock

went out for this role and then later it was like, I think it didn't need to be me, but I think this movie would have been more interesting if Charles was played by a black guy. So I have that coming later. The Ruffalo-Hanna Rubeneck Partridge

overacting award. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give it all you got! Give it all you got! I treated you like a son.

You fucking damn me. in the heart. Fuck you. I mean, who Yeah, I mean, you could probably put Frank Slade as the name of this category. In the scene where that O'Donnell might have won the scene where he cries.

Pacino's really, I'm in the dark here. He's really like dial it up. I'm in the dark here. Do you understand? I'm in the dark. Okay. Best that guy. Is Ron Eldard

and that guy or no? He is to Craig. He's not. He's, he's, he's, he was like the star of stuff.

He's pivotal friends. Wasn't he on friends briefly? Yeah, somebody's boyfriend and friends. He was on ER, wasn't he? Yeah, I think,

I mean, Rebhorn's the that guy, isn't he? I feel like he's Rebhorn. I have a couple of that guy

candidates. The Colonel's brother, Willie, don't know who that guy is, but he's the that guy. Manny, the chauffeur, played by Gene Canfield,

If you saw him again, you'd just think he was made in the chauffeur. And then I think the winner is the ringleiner kid. Harry? See, I'm going to go with a different kid from that trio, but go ahead and go with Harry. The kid with the long, his hair, I don't even know. His name's Nicholas Sadler. I know he's been in other stuff. I don't even know what he's been in.

But I feel like I've seen that guy a million times. I'm going with Todd Luiso, who's the other... The third kid. Yeah, and he's in Jerry McGuire. He's in the Rock. he's in Apollo 13. He was just like, he was in high fidelity. Dion Waiters Award for the biggest heat check.

Manning the Schofer, Bradley Whitford, basically eight minutes. Gabriel Anwar, the tango scene. Freddie the Ferrari guy. Is Hoffman eligible or no? I think he's in too much. I think he's in too much too. So I want to say Gabriel Anwar, because of the tango scene, I think she's unbelievable in that. scene. I really love Manny the chauffeur. I think it's so hard to pull off the likable.

He's just all additive by the end when he gives him the, oh, that's too much, Colonel. Yeah, it's a little like, when he's taken aback by the tip, he's like, this is too much. It's too much. And I'll drive you at both ways any time. I just, I really liked him. That character can go wrong in the wrong hands, but that was a guy. You could just see him in the limo as Colonel Slades with a hooker, as he's listed in Mike of the Mad Dog or argue about the Oscars. Who would you go with? I would go with Woodford. I think he's awesome as Randy in that scene.

He is great. I mean, he basically ends up playing that guy. And also, I loved the whole thing where it's like he was always an asshole, even before he was blind. Recasting couch. Let's have the Leo combo here. Okay. Because I think he could have pulled off a 17-year-old. Has Leo ever acted with Pacino?

So that would be years later, if we look back on this. And it's Leo and he does this. movie probably instead of This Boy's Life with De Niro. He probably has his pick of one of those two and he does This Boy's Life, which he's fantastic in. But if Leo's in this movie, oh, yeah, he acted with, Craig said once upon time in Hollywood, way later in his career. Good poll, Craig.

Leo in this scene, I think the ceiling of this movie goes up. Leo was that good of an actor in 93. My question is, I don't know if you needed more acting power from that character, because this is a Pacino's choose up the scenery movie. I would probably be more interested in seeing Damon in this role. Or maybe Affleck, but like I think Damon, I think the reason why I like Chris O'Donnell in this role is-Demon is he's got too much, he's got too much baggage. Like he's, I feel like he's almost too smart for that role.

Okay. Well, the reason why I like Chris O'Donnell is because he actually seems like a kid from Oregon who's found himself into school like Baird. He like looks like a little bit of like, oh yeah, you, you're, you, you're, you're Tommy and Daddy is shopping alipino dip to hayseeds or to apple seeds. It looks like a kid from the sticks who's gotten a scholarship. Leo seems too electric. You know, it's like he seems to, he's already too like emotionally like developed.

Affleck would have been interesting. I actually think Chris O'Donnell for this part is better than young Affleck. And I liked young Affleck. Yeah. Half As internet research. Barrett stuff shot on location at the Emma Willard School in New York. Pacino was helped by a school for the blind preparing for this world.

Apparently he threw himself all into it. He learned how to appear blind. His trick was he wouldn't have his eyes focus on anything. He also worked with a lieutenant colon who taught him how to load and unload the 45 and do all that gun stuff. So you knew that scene wasn't getting cut. Right. He had said, I worked for three weeks.

But at one point they snapped the rifle the right way And the guy said, hoo-ah. And Pacino's like, oh, and he tucked that one away and he started doing hoo-a. Do you know how many whas are in this movie? Six. Ten. We mentioned Martin Brez disowned the version of the movie.

Chris O'Donnell said they filmed at the Plaza Hotel, and there was a cameo with Trump and Marlon Maples. Yeah. That when the limo dropped them off at the hotel, Trump and Marlon Maples were behind them, there was some sort of interaction. It got cut. Do you think that Frank Slade voted for Trump?

I think he loved a lot of the stuff Trump stood for, would be my guess. Apex Mountain, Pacino, no. No. Movies built around a blind character? Let's say yes. Sure. Chris O'Donnell? Yeah.

I think so. It felt like he was the biggest young actor in the world after this movie. Rebhorn? It's hard whether that guy like that because I feel like they're always at like the same level, you know? But yeah, this is a pretty big scene for Redhorn. Pretty big movie. This is probably his biggest part in a big movie. I personally liked him and talented Mr. Ripley the most as the dad.

Yeah. Thought he was really good as the dad. That was like a perfect Redhorn part. Shout out to Redhorn. How about guys named Mani in Pacino films? Probably still Scarface. There's got to be a Mani in Carlitos. Blind movie characters.

I feel like we're doing a disservice to blind movie characters, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. That's why I think that's, this is the answer. The 1989 Ferrari Monday L. T. Cabraleigh. Definitely. Apexman. Oh, my God.

See, that Ferrari shop scene was all those cars. Jesus. Horrible Thanksgiving's in a movie. Definitely. I was trying to think of what was a more dysfunctional holiday scene. You know, like Rachel getting married is the most dysfunctional wedding. This would be a fun side project to figure out the most dysfunctional family things. Just this for fucked up family February next year or week.

And we could have just dissected. Just the one scene? What's the most horrible Christmas scene? I mean, what about from National Ampoon's Christmas vacation and just like a reason? Yeah, good point. The sewage tank backing up. Apex Mountain for the Ranger chokehold? Definitely.

Definitely. Did you want to try that on fantasy? at some point in the office? How about 90s hunk actors crying? No. It's Beconahe, right? In a time to kill? Yeah.

Him crying in that courtroom scene made him an A plus listener. I actually scouted a time to kill because I wanted to do it on rewatchable. I was like, eh, tough one. There's rewatchable scenes, but ultimately not a rewatchable. I'd soon do Pelican brief than Time to Kill, yeah. Yeah.

Any other Apex Mountains for you? No, I don't, I mean, I don't think it's an Apex Mountain for Hoffman. It's not for prep schools. Ording school movies. Yeah, that stuff. Maybe the Oak Room. Might actually be Apex Mountain for the Oak Room. I don't know if the Oak Room is as cool as it was back there.

I bet Oak Rooms and Sex in the City some. Man, I'm looking at movies with blind characters. Not a ton. Yeah? Yeah, we're not missing a lot here. Best Race Horse Name. I'll give you Sen of a Woman, Ferrari Freddy, or John Daniels. So you don't think, and woo-ah comes around the stretch.

Who-ha. John Daniels, I thought, was a great racehorse. That's a good one. Yeah. He's also the fire general manager of the Texas Rangers, so. Right. The Mallory Rubin Award for Did This Movie Need a Better Sex Scene? Absolutely not.

Did not want to watch this guy's sex. You want to see him with the escort? Nope. Cut. Pickin' Nets. Number one. Would everyone in the school know who did the prank? according to you got better intel on this than i think everybody knows in a day

i i already asked you how slade was able to somehow see everything like a bat even though he is blind that seemed a little suspicious to me like charlie sneaking out of the room and one way you going charlie it's like wait are you blind or you're not blind do you just have supersonic hearing what's going on why is gabriel anwar named donna why not she didn't seem like a dana she seemed like a monique well because he's in, he's in your head because he's like, Daphne, because of these flowers, because she's English, but a callie chick.

Hmm. I didn't like the name. So you didn't want to see the Super Hooker at all. You didn't want to see her open the hotel room for Frank Slade. I want to get one look at her. The greatest escort in New York. Now, you didn't want to see what color are you over? No, I guess I'm curious about that part.

I just didn't need a full-on sex scene with Frank. Okay. I would have liked to just grab the look through the window, like a wave, something. So forget about the improbability of a blind guy driving a Ferrari. Where in New York City can you drive for that many blocks without hitting a stoplight, a stop sign, a pedestrian? It looks like they're driving around Dumbo, but I honestly have no idea.

And where is there a Ferrari dealership in Manhattan? That's that close to an area where apparently is abandoned. Basically, he's Tom Cruise and Vanilla Sky in Times Square. He's in some dream sequence where all that everybody's been cleared out. Yeah. Picking Nits, I have some questions about Baird's disciplinary process. Me too. So we're canceling classes for an hour and a half?

Everybody's got to come to the main room. And no activities. He's like, the day is canceled, bank holiday, we're just going to court. I am the judge and the prosecutor, but have no say in what happens. It's the Monday after Thanksgiving, presumably a little bit of a busy time there with Christmas break and exams coming up and all that. And they're like, guess what? Could I handle this one or two ways? Could it just brought these three morons in who poured the pain on my car?

Everyone knows it's them. Or giant process with the whole school. Everything's canceled. I get to make this pontification speech at the top. And make these two guys rat out three other students in front of a thousand kids. Yeah. And it's more important for me to penitifical. people for being stinches than for the people who ruined my car who are just going to sit there in the stands.

And by the way, this blind guy who's not on the program who comes in, he's dropping to F bombs. And he's talking about burning the school to the ground. And then we have this weird disciplinary committee behind them that's like teachers and students that all they do is need to huddle up. Like it's a timeout in the AFC championship game coming up with the play. And in 90 seconds can just do straw pole. We're ready to go. It's like, here's our verdict. Let's go.

And they do the whole verdict. And I just, this is one of the best prep schools in America? I don't know, CR. One of my nitpicks is, and this is also pulling from another film from the same year, a few good men, is the trope of disgraced military officer who decides to take his own life while wearing his full dress uniform. Oh, the J.T. Walsh. Yeah.

Colonel Marketson. Marketson's a ghost. There is no Marketson. It's just so, it's so showy, you know? Like, what do we do? Like, if I were, if I were Chaz and he was like, packed my dress uniform with the shoulderboards, I would just be like, wait, I saw a few good men. That's not good. Oh, no.

Colonel Parkinson. That's a good one. I like that. Next category is sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. So, prestige TV would have been really interesting for this movie. Well, the plot of this film really would not rise above, like, the movie. the B-plot of an episode of television now. Like, not in the sense that it's bad, but just in the sense that the stakes do not seem

enormously high. Like, I feel like they would grind through this in an episode of an HBO show. Right. Like, that show, The Chair. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like that show. Yeah.

But, yeah, this would have been, like, episode three of the chair. But if you do Prestige TV, now we can go to Sugarbush with Philip Seaboroffman and his buddies. we get a little more time at Thanksgiving dinner and all that stuff that probably would be how it goes. I would like White Lotus

with those three guys. It's great. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Bishemi, Sam Jackson,

J.T. Welsh or Philip Baker Hall. I know that you're probably expecting me to do Wayne Jenkins as Al Pacino right now. I was. But I'm instead

going to do Wayne Jenkins as Mr. Trask, when he goes You know what, Chas, you're going to jail a long fucking time. I got super student here. All this and a motherfucking brick.

You don't want to try Wayne Jenkins as Colonel Slade? Wayne Jenkins on pussy. All right. Just one Oscar who gets it, Pacino. Probably in answerable questions. Should this movie have ended right after the teacher hits on him? I say yes. I think you have the answer.

Yeah, I think we have the answer there. Here's one. How should Charlie have handled this? Oh, it's a good question. What's your take on snitching? What was the right way to handle it? Well, I feel like if he knows that there is some sort of like student teacher advisory board going here, you know, this jury that he's going to be facing, the number one thing I would do probably is go to that board and be like the principal, the headmaster of school tried to blackmail me. And I don't know what to do.

So I would go a different way. I think he just has to admit what he saw without admitting the kids. He did that. I think he's like, he's like, I saw something. No, but that's, he sounded so dodgy when he said that. I think he should have come out and said, I just worked a full day in the library. I was tired. I was talking to, uh, Hunsacker.

Philip Seymour Hoffman, we ran into Mrs. Hunsacker. We saw from far away, we saw somebody in a ladder. we heard some talking and they saw Mrs. Hunsacker and they ran away and that's what I saw. I did not see who the kids were. How would you get kicked out of school for that? I don't know.

And he could have said that on stage. Also, why is Ms. Hunt's said that in 10 seconds? Hunsackers just off the hook because they distracted her? Right. But, I mean, she would have had as good of a chance of seeing them as anybody. It seemed like it.

All he had to do was say, I definitely saw three kids. I didn't see who they were and they ran off. Like, you're not getting expelled for that. I'm sorry. Instead he was like, I saw something. It's like,

be a fucking man. All right, you mentioned the Chris Rock thing. So, Chris Rock said he wanted to audition for this role and they didn't even let him audition. And he made the point that he thought Charlie should have been black.

So in 1992, I think it would have been a really interesting and probably a better choice for Charlie to be black. In 2022, if they make this movie, now there's no question he's black. Right.

And they're working diversity in this movie in general on this shit. But I think the chart of the character is 100% black and more probably like a Rob Brown and Finding Forrester kind of like vibe to him, right?

But in 1992, I wonder if he could have been black because it would have opened up the door. Like, could Slade have gotten through the movie without some sort of racist remark? Probably not since he immediately starts talking about Puerto Rican people as soon as the Belhove leaves.

So no. Right. So then Slade pushes to the point where we're not even hoping it gets redeemed. So in a way, like 1992 Slade, I think he would have fucked that up. And now we're even, now we're even more against him. We're right on the fringe anyway. But in 2022, I think the character's black. Slade's probably a little more self-aware. But it's just more interesting movie probably if Charlie's black.

Yeah. It's just also cool that you'll imagine like Chris Rock wanting going for this role in 92. It's just really interesting. Chris Rock in the O'Donnell crying scene instead of a woman. Not positive. He could have pulled that off

at any point of his career. Maybe. I mean, the New Jack City, Pookie has some pretty emotional scenes. Well, that was the other thing. It was too close to Pookie at this point.

Yeah. You'd be like, remember Pookie from New Jet now he was in this movie Pachito as a boarding school student? I don't know. Any other in answerable questions? No, but I really have

a Z. wantonetio question. Oh, great. Well, best double feature. choice with this movie. I had dog day afternoon. I'm going to go Chocolate War, which is just a really great prep school movie that had come out in 88 and people should check it out if they haven't seen it. Similarly about like kind of like turning on your friends and like whether or not like

all that stuff. The Andy and Red Zawainé Award for what happened the next day. What do you got, Chris? So this guy's fucking destitute now, right? Like that was a $100,000 weekend that he was not planning to live through. Oh, interesting. How much you think he spent? This should have been an unanswerable question. So at least three custom-made suits that were done rush jobs. Oh, that's probably 15K back then.

Drying buying drinks the entire week in New York. 2000 for the Ferrari. The Ferrari. Sweet at the Waldorf's probably like three, four grand a night. Puss room service. Limo for the entire weekend. First-class shuttle tickets. So how much you think he gave many?

10 grand? Five grand? Yeah, probably 10 grand. That's what made it so weird where he's like... No, maybe it was like five grand. Maybe it's more like five grand. But in any case, like he has saved up. The reason he's living in squalor in this shed

is because he has been cashing and saving all of his disability checks for his however long. But you know that like that probably would have helped out Karen pretty heavy. And you know she wasn't anticipating him coming back from Thanksgiving weekend being like, I just spent every cent I had. It's nuts.

Well, here's what even is more. frustrating. Mani is like just completely blown away by the tip. Right. And then Charlie, who saved this life, who was with him 24 hours days, he's like, here's they agreed on 300. Yeah, exactly. Oh, he gets like, 300. He's like, this is the deal. Three one hundreds. It's like, how about three thousand? Yeah. What about, remember the part where you're going to blow your head off and Charlie intervened and started crying? That was worth, I don't know, thousand bucks is a tip? So, yeah, so you think he's just, he's done after, but now he's going to move in with the red-headed lady, at least until I had for the what happened the next day. It's like more of what happened the next few months.

So you think that this lady goes from, this guy was in the class talking about burning the school to the ground with a flamethrower, so I shouldn't have to move in with me. At least two dates. At least two dates, they move in, but then he gets super drunk one night because he drinks 16, 16 drinks a day. Yeah. That probably doesn't work out ultimately. He's a day, definitely a couple shouty matches. Yeah, after he gets done his, the third time around the same LBJ story, I think she might wise up. Yeah, so even like she...

Did I ever tell you about going out with Lyndon Johnson? He's like, yes, you fucking did. Hey, he did. Well, I'd probably try to find out what happened to the JFK assassination. That's true. People always thought OBJ was

kind of hanging around that one. This is a great minute 50 slide in some LBJ slander by you. I don't know if it's slander. Who won? Who benefited from the JFK's who was right there with the presidency. That's why they made Frank Slate blind.

He knew to watch. Did Frank Slate blind himself? What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? You can't say the Ferrari. No, I probably take the custom suits. I think the cane would be cool. I also really like... Just as a movie prop.

That's true. I like... Yeah, I liked the suits. I was going to say I also liked his old school, like, when people used to have, like, Vlis luggage. Right. Got to bring that back.

Yeah, I wish that would come back. You're right. The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. I mean, obviously, don't be a snitch. Yeah. Don't have an amputated soul and snitch. But you could also go with, hold on, I'm trying to find it. The day we stop looking is the day we die as a coach Finstock life lesson.

It's pretty good. I like that one. The, who won the movie, Pacino? Yeah, but I would just say watching it this time, like I would put Hoffman very high up. A lot of seeds planted for that, dude. Yeah. All right, let's bring him producer Craig.

I'm sure he had a gamut of emotions. This movie's older than Craig by some... Yeah. What do you got, Craig? First of all, I wanted to say that I'm imagining. I finally figured out how you should tell the world that the rewatchables is going. going to end, Bill, when you're finally done. You've got to say, when you get to 500 episodes,

you're going to record heat for the eighth time, and you're going to lay down in your big, beautiful bed and blow your brains out, metaphorically. That sounds great. But to be quite honest with you guys, I did not enjoy this movie. And if I want to go even harder, I know, Bill, you might fire me for this. I understand the modern Pacino persona, the Bill Hayer impression, I think ruined this. The Chris Ryan, impressions like, I think Pacino is actively bad in this movie. That's his hottest take. I don't think he's good at all.

Really actively bad. Yes, I think he's like, it feels like I'm watching a parody of somebody doing a blind role in a film. Craig, do you think that's the role or do you think it's the performance? I think, I mean, the fact that now that I know that he added in Hua on his own, I think it's the performance. Okay. He dials this up to 17, and it is so hokey to me.

It's a bit at this point in my mind. It's a bit. So this is why this is such a fascinating movie. I know. I love this movie and his performance in it because I feel like the whole time he's doing a bit. It's just a ridiculous character. You're at a ride with Pacino where he's just like,

I'm fucking going for it for two and a half hours. You just have to, it's impossible. It's like imagine a time before cell phones. It's like imagine a time before this character and this is the first time you're seeing it. You know what I mean? I know that you can't see it for the first time now because of Hater and everything else. Yeah, I'm tainted.

All the movie scene made, yeah. Yeah, that would have been, we should add Hater in what stage is the worst because haters are impersonation, which I talk to him about a bunch. Like, it just felt like he should have done that on S&L every three weeks. It was so good. He was one of the best celebrity impersonation ever been. And he's basically just doing this movie over and over again in different situations. Maybe we should have some type of category or like conversation for each movie around

like, what is it like for somebody who's 28 years old watching this movie compared to somebody who saw it for the first time when it actually came out? Like, how has it changed your perception of what the movie would be like? Did you get choked up when Chris O'Donnell saved his life or you were just out on the character? I was so out. I don't even think O'Donnell was that good. Both of them are pretty one note. He's like a meek, indecisive kid the entire movie. I got to say, this is maybe the hottest Craig's ever come in at the end of the five. I love it. But this is why we wanted to do it because Pacino is like, I don't know, would you. He's like, I could see why you guys, this is important to you guys.

I'm like, unforgiven. I get it, I guess. Yeah. It's a little slow, but then he kills everybody. Don't you feel like, don't you feel like Pacino through 250 movies has been the MVP of the rewatchables? Or would you say Cruz? Oh, wow.

I think Pacino has more of, like, an effect on the, on the spirit of this show in general. Pacino kind of is always hovering over every episode. Gosh, that's a really good question. That's how I feel. I feel like Cruz has been the most movies. By the way, on the flight to Sweden, I watched Days of Thunder. And that's going to have to be a rewatchable

at some point. Yeah. It's just, as we tackle the Cruz can and slowly, I think Cruz has been more important in the podcast, but Pacino's personality probably is responsible for the podcast. By John Bernthal's performance on a little watched HBO mini series.

We're going to eliminate the category soon because nobody even does it. Wait, can I have one picking knit? Yeah. Why did Rebhorn pop the balloon? Why did he? Yeah. What did he think it was?

But I think he didn't want to see himself puckering up and kissing the ass of the trustees. I think he wanted that gone. I don't understand why he didn't just get in his car and park somewhere else. Oh, I had that in picking nits and forgot to do it. What the hell did he think? Why was he, like, I don't understand what he thought was going to happen. I didn't even have that part. I just had, how did these kids?

in 1992 figure out A, how to hijack the PA system. What was it? Was it milk? Yeah, and then B, how they filled that balloon, how it all worked. The balloon just perfectly blew up and then spat milk all over the place. How'd they do that?

We're going to dangle a balloon full of milk over the Jaguar and hope that he stands on the car and pops it with his keys. That was the plan? Horrible prank. Well, it worked. I guess. I'm glad I felt like we needed to do this one. I think we needed a polarizing movie for 250.

We also like, it's like... The other choice was cruising. We were going to do either this or cruising. We were going to be one or the two. We also had to like get back from summer. We've got to get loose. You know what I mean? This is a bullpen session, you know?

250. We're getting the arms stretched out. Well, we had the singles anniversary coming up, which is I'm already getting really focused on. But yeah, we have some good ones coming up down the line. Plus, you can go back on. and listen to all 250 movies that we've done if you want to hear. How many Pacinoes have we done now?

We did any given Sunday. We did heat three times. We did all three godfathers. You did Insider on 99. We did Insider on the 99 feed. We have somehow not done Devil's Advocate yet. And we haven't done Glenn Gary. I have sent you several text messages about two for the money.

I'm gambling again. That's going to happen. Can we do two for the money as brought to you by fan duel. That'd be great. I'll ask them. Yeah. Maybe we could put some fan, we've some fandol props into the two for the money thing. That's good. Yeah, Craig, Craig, you get to pick one of the next like seven movies we do now that we're, right. Now that we're into the second 250. I don't see this feed getting past 500. Why do you do this? Because it's been so long to get to 250? Yeah, that took like six years. You see much more,

why are you so focused on the like mortality of this feed? Well, because at some point we're just going to run out of movies. I guess so. We could just keep, we just keep reparted. We just keep doing re-departeds. I don't think you're going to run out of movies. I'll tell you this.

I watched, so I tweeted about this, but a lot of people probably don't see my tweets. I listen to this. I had 14 hours back from Sweden going through New York. Bill, I think everybody who listens to the show follows you on Twitter.

I don't know. People miss Twitter stuff on Twitter. So the rewatchables, I watched, God, what was the rewatchables? the first, oh, I watched the last duel. Not a rewatchable. It's not a rewatchable and

is some of the most inexplicable stuff I've seen. I guess it's not bad, but the affleck, I just couldn't get enough of blonde hair. Anyway, I watched that. Moved over to stepmom because I had to do some work. I just needed to put something on and that, whatever, Julia Roberts. That's a really weird movie. It's three

great actors in a bad movie, basically. Three days of the condor. Awesome movie. Really good. Then Blood Diamond, which I scouted for the rewatchables. And guess what? Its application was accepted.

That move is fucking awesome. And then finished with Dark Night, which I watch probably every year and a half or so. We did it early in the feed, but Red Dark Night, I think, could be the next re-movie for us. That was like one of the first ten you guys did. Yeah. I think that that, we're talking about Rees.

I think that's in the mix. Okay. I think the fugitive is another one that we're probably going to have to do over again at this point. The re-kimble? Yeah, that's just like, you could argue that's the most re-watchable movie of all time. I'm not saying it's the best.

I'm just like, you can go to that movie in any part and fucking get sucked in. I could see there not being another 250 re-watchables. I do wonder whether or not if we just did The Departed like four Sundays in a row if it would do really well. I would not do the town again because Riscilla was so electric. It's like, he's like Bruce Springsteen and Hammersmith in 1975.

I don't want to mess with that. But yeah, I have a feeling we'll get another $250 out of it. All right, before we go, Craig, your fantasy football. What's the schedule? We're Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We're even thinking of adding a fourth over the next three weeks. So anytime you want check in, we've got tons of stuff. This is peak draft season the next two weeks.

weeks. And Craig and the crew are coming on my pod at some point before this start. Very close to the season. We're going to do some sort of gimmick on my pod as well. And then don't forget about we launched a new Boston podcast too. Any Boston fans out there that is that launched on Sunday night, it's called Off the Pike. Chris, a lot of rumors about a Philly pod right now. I don't know. I don't know. Sifting through. I don't know what to believe in. I think I think people should keep their ears peeled for some Eagles contact. Okay. There you go. Guys, thank you. Thanks to everybody. He's been listening for the last 250, and you can find them on any platform right now.

Go check it out. Thanks for listening.