The Rewatchables - ‘Sea of Love’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Wosny Lambre

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Come the wet-ass hour, Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Wosny Lambre are everyone's daddy!! They rewatch the 1989 neo-noir thriller ‘Sea of Love,’ starring Al Pacino, Ellen Barkin, and John Goodman. Produce: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He'll pop on the, ringer Philly special from time to time to time. Yeah, we'll see, we're taping this before the Big Eagles game on Sunday. We'll see if you go into hiding if the Eagles lose or whether you'll show your face. I guess we'll find out. My name is Bill Simmons and come the wet ass

hour of everybody's daddy. See you, love is next. Unrable. I heard from one of you guys, you caught a good one. It's a face-down taxpayer, back of the head in his own bed. A woman like he had never known. She's a suspect, Frank. Just walk away.

I believe in love with first sight. I believe in this. A choice you would have to make. There's some psycho woman out there killing guys. Al Pacino. Don't so move. Sea of Love, Radar. Start Friday, September 15th at a theater.

All right, guys, so this was on Netflix. Waz, you had never seen it? I'd never seen it. I'd never seen it. I was home. My lady was over here. Generally, the only movies that we can watch together or rom-coms or, you know, basically like erotic thrillers or whatever.

And so I see Al Pacino. So I'm interested in not read the description of the movie. And I'm like, yeah, this has to happen. And so I pop this thing in and I have to say I was absolutely blown away. It's a classic. CR, it's been trending. I mean, we're taping this on a Friday, but it was in the top three or four trending movies on Netflix for a week. this is a classic really, really good late 80s, early 90s movies and now it's been 30 plus years

and it kind of slips through the cracks. I hadn't even seen it on the cable channels in a couple years, but I love this movie. I know you do too. Yeah, I love this movie. This is pure Richard Price right here based loosely on one of his early novels. And Richard Price then went on to become like one of the great screenwriters in Hollywood, did Color of Money, which we've done on this pot. He wrote for The Wire. He did The Night of. And this is just, just loose talk, electric, coked out, drunken Pacino, everybody is talking shit.

Cops are dirty. The women are fast. It's just, it's everything I want in a New York cop movie. It's heaven. I want to get to Pacino in a second. I want to talk about this weird classification of a movie that, you know, it ties back to the 40s and 50s, but then Body Heat brought it back,

which we've done on the rewatchables. It's the people that fall in love and one of the two people might be a murderer and actually might want to kill the other person. And it's this, do they or don't they? Does she or doesn't she? Does he or? So Jagged Edge was another great one like this

with Jet Bridges and Glenn Close. She's defending him in a murder trial. Was he the killer? No, he couldn't be. He's so handsome. He's such a great guy. I shouldn't fall for him. Oh, no, I'm falling for him.

Black Widow was another one. Even though it was Deppra Winger and Teresa Russell, they never ended up really together, but they had some sort of weird sexual chemistry thing going. And it was like, is she the bad person? Is she not? Was, why did they stop making movies like this? Where I have to decide,

is this person who's falling in love with a character that I like, are they actually a murder or not? This wins every time. Well, when we're prosecuting sexual politics now, we concentrate on the politics and not the sex. And so, you know, that Netflix movie, that just came out where the chick and the dude work at the same job and she gets a better job.

Yeah. Right. They spend basically most of that movie adjudicating how dudes feel about women, women ascending in the workplace. Whereas this movie, like, there is that sort of, you know, this guy has fucked up views about women and their place in a relationship. But this movie concentrates on their sexual chemistry. and who has the sexual upper hand, who's dictating the terms of the relationship. They don't really care about this guy's understanding of a woman's quote-unquote place in a relationship. And I think nowadays people feel the need to prosecute that other question, whereas what I'm more interested in is why Al Pacino wants to fuck a serial killer.

To me, that's the more interesting question. Because the action is the juice. Come on. Well, Adrian Lyon did this too, right? He did this in nine and a half weeks. Was another one with Mickey Work and Kim Basinger where it's like, this relationship is bad. But I can't resist this guy.

I can't stay away. This was a theme. This is basic instinct, right? Which comes after this movie. But in 1991, where he's Michael Douglas' character. We did this on the rewatchables too. He's trying to chase down this murder suspect and becomes enchanted by Sharon Stone, but she's probably the murderer.

And he's like, you know what? Can't resist. I shouldn't do this, but the heart wants what the heart wants. We don't have the heart wants what the heart wants movies as much anymore, CR. I guess they tried to do it with Salt Burn and it was one of the worst movies I've seen in a lot. I think that there's something to be said for the vulnerability people feel in the early part of a relationship where you're, you've got all that electricity running through your veins because you're with a new person and because you're feeling each other out and probably

more ways than one. But there is that little bit of, of a mystery to them where you're like, who really is this person? Have I met their friends? Have I met their folks? What's their baggage? Yeah. Like, you know, and I think that especially in a pre-internet dating world where a lot of it was either based on like pickup lines or as in this film, like these sort of lonely hearts letters or advertisements in the back of the village voice or an alt-weekly or whatever, like you basically were like rolling the dice when you were dating. You know what I mean? And it wasn't like you could find and look at their Instagram and see where they had been

and see who they were hanging out with. It was just like one day Ellen Barkin might show up at a restaurant. And you were like, this is the best thing that's ever happened to me until you think she might be a serial killer. And, um, yeah. Why is she wearing Tito Jackson's jacket? I don't understand that part, but she's hot. Well, we know why she's wearing that jacket.

But also the cool thing about this movie is how they set up Al Pacino's life in the sense that he's obviously of a certain age at this point. His dad is a widow and is extremely lonely. And he's like, I'm divorced. I'm already about to be cooked at my job. So I'm about to lose the purpose in that. And he's kind of just moping around, right? He's feeling sorry for himself. and then he meets this woman

and he's back. He's back alive. He's back and he's ready. He's ready to throw everything away for this. And it's just incredible to watch it play out throughout the course of the movie. Well, I told you guys, this is a big movie for me. But that's far from high school, Jeff Gallo.

I think we might have even seen this in the theater. And we've been joking about it for 34 years. I just love you and Gallo watching this. The combo of Pacino and Ellen Barkin, just one of the weirdest couples we've ever had on screen in any movie where the movie was actually good and successful. But the sex scene brought us endless delight. We thought it was one of the funniest things.

Her, the way she kind of prowls around, like she's a tiger that got let out of the cage when she grabs him from behind, when she's like, what are you looking for, Frank? What are you looking for? And he's like, oh, oh, you're killing me. Oh! And we just thought, we thought, oh, you're kidding.

killing me. I'm telling you, we got three plus decades out of somebody like trying to get some sort of sexually charged reaction at a Pacino. Our history with Pacino, not exactly like American Gigolo in his movies, right? It's always like sex is always, really Apollonia is the only time you felt like he really wanted a job with his bones. Right. And she got blown up in a car. And this was, Ellen Barker was just like, all right, what's my challenge? I got Pacino with this crazy hair, he reeks his cigarettes, hasn't showered in five days. I'm going to make it seem like this is the most attractive guy I've ever laid my hands on. And she does it. Like, she's unbelievable. And they really do have chemistry, but Pacino's gross. I mean, he's just like, it's just disgusting.

I was kind of shocked watching it the last couple of times, I guess because I'm older or whatever, but when I saw it when I was a kid, I just mostly looked at it as an erotic thriller. it's like a portrait of addiction in a big time way. I mean, he's in the bag for most of this movie and a lot of his behavior, I actually like really respect the way they tell the story in the sense that

there are several scenes that are played the way they're played because he's drunk. You know, so like when he goes to her and he's going to ask her to move in with him and they go to the nice restaurant and he's getting boxed like right as soon as they sit down, that completely changes the way

the story is being told. I thought it was like a pretty honest depiction of alcoholism and obviously a guy having a midlife crisis. Yeah. And it's funny to hear you say that Pacino doesn't have a history in the movies of being a sort of sexual being, if you will. Because in this movie, he is fucking horny, okay? Like, the way he's looking at Ellen Barkin is how I look at the double cheeseburger at McDonald's. He is ready at three in the morning, mind you, okay? Yeah.

Like, he is so ready to devour this woman and let her do anything to his life. Just his willingness to submit to what's happening is so crazy when you see him in these other contexts throughout the movie, right? Like, you know, I know we're going to talk about the fake Yankee meet up and, you know, how he's treating his, the dude is his partner or just his coworker who is now fucking. his wife and like the way he is throughout the rest of the movie is so divorced from every single scene of him in Ellen Bark and it's like man to hear you guys say like Al Pacino's never been sexual on screen like he is so sexed up in this movie yeah he's really though it's like Frankie and Johnny is like the most purely romantic movie he's made right Bill do you think that movie works Chris because I did not think it worked but I'm just saying like even in the terms of

the way that he's like present Like in all the gangster movies he's in, like, Carlito's Way and Scarface and all those movies, it's like his relationship with the woman is either distressed or he's controlling her or like she's his exit from the criminal life. But it's never like Al Pacino is, I mean, I guess author. I'm trying to think of like some of the other ones that he's done. But like, well, we did injustice for all. Remember? And he had that whole courtship scene in the kitchen eating Chinese food with Christine Latti. And we were like, this is disgusting. Pachino eating Chinese food? Is that what's going to get me horny? But do you recognize something about, like, his live wire kind of, like, sensitivity? Like, he is, I can see why, like, it would bark in if she was speed dating, all these guys would be like, you know what, this one's different. Like, this guy's a little different.

Maybe he smells like he's drank a bottle of doers before he came here, but he's still different. And I'm into it. Well, he's dated a lot of actresses over the years. I mean, he had like a 20-year on-and-off relationship with Diane Keaton, and she talked about it. She did an autobiography. I was reading up, I read this Pacino New Yorker profile from 2014 about him.

And there's a lot of Diane Keaton stuff in it. And she was just like, I just could never get him. Like he was in my life this whole time, and I could just, I could never totally figure him out. And he had those eyes and he'd look away. And you're like, is he thinking about me? She had this whole thing where she was just, she was still like under his spell. And if you see like Pacino's like,

it's like 5-7, he's got the yellow cigarette teeth. He's got the crazy hair. He is so short in this movie. I know. Women could not resist him for forever. So it was always like in the movies, they always figured out how to play that. And they'll pull it off.

I mean, most of the time in movies, it's, we always catch him in relationships that I've already stopped working like in heat. You know, like Scarface. We really only see the point. part after it stops working with him in Michelle Pfeiffer's character. But for the most part, he's not a stable relationship actor, Chris. It's not like he's, he's not Paul Rudd.

No. It's not like him and Leslie Mayn are having issues because they both turned 40. Yeah, he plays too much fantasy baseball. That's not what's happening here. So I sent you guys that clip of Siskel and Ebert on their TV show, sort of giving their review of this movie. They absolutely love the freaking movie, if not the ending, which I'm sure we'll get into.

But it's funny to hear them say, like, yo, it's been a decade of crap. Because for me, you know, I'm 36 years old. I grew up in New York City in, like, you know, the middle of the hip-hop boom. Scarface is so definitional to our growing up. The movie, the quotes, the immigrant story, the American dream chasing. It's so integral to us.

So it's so interesting to hear them dismiss shit like that from the 80s, right? Like just out of hand. Like, that was crap. Whereas to me, that's like in my mind's eye when I'm thinking of Al Pacino, more so than Michael Colione or, you know, the detective from Heat, I'm thinking about Scarface. So when I see him in this movie, I'm just like, this is such a different mold.

of person than Tony Montana in this movie. And the fact that he can pull off those two poles is incredible to me. Well, I have, this is a really important point. We have to hit the Pacino 80s because that's a huge piece of this movie because he has one of the great 70s, one of the great decades anyone's had.

And we covered it and Justice Frail and some of the other 70s ones. But in the 80s, cruising, which Chris and I did for the rewatchables, that's 1980. Which is kind of a sort of, sister movie to this. Yeah, and he's not great

in it, right? And I think even he admits, like, maybe not the best. Chris and I love it, but it was, you know, that movie did not catch fire when it came out. William Freaking certainly admits that he was not great. Yeah. William Freak took some shots. Then he does author, author, which didn't do well. Then he did

Scarface, which had this belated, like super belated became this iconic film. But it really wasn't the first five years. I think it was critically, pretty much dismissed. People were super disappointed in De Palma and him and oh my God, I thought this was going to be amazing and it's not. And then it took a while. But then the one that killed him was this movie called Revolution in 1985, which is a great Google deep dive for anybody out there.

Just read 20 minutes about this movie, everything goes wrong. Like they don't know, Chris, have you seen it? I have not seen Revolution. It's one of those movies. They're trying to do two things at once. They pull off neither. Pacino gets pneumonia for the first two months of the filming. So he's like a shell

of himself and the movie bombs. And Pacino said well afterwards, he said, you learn so much from it. It was such a disorienting experience. They put half a film out. I was appalled and shocked.

I didn't know what to do. It was that single film that took the rug out from under me. I lost interest for a while. He didn't do a movie for four years. And this is, like Pacino De Niro,

these are the two biggest actors or what the, Chris, the two best actors we had of the 80s? It was Pacino De Niro Hoffman was the sort of Troika. Right, so that's the three. And meanwhile, Hoffman's like rattling off Tutsi and stuff. So yeah.

And De Niro is still acting, but Pacino was he, this is like, I don't know, Yoko is just disappearing until 2007. So he moved to Palisades, New York with Diane Keaton. He stopped making movies.

He appeared in some plays. He did a play called National Anthem and New Haven. He did a Julius Caesar play where he played Mark Antony. And then he did this whole project called the Local Stigmatic, which was a one-act play. And he says now, or he said in 2014, this is probably the best period of my adult life. It was as close to Eagle as I've ever been. And just doesn't work for four years. And finally, Keaton was the one who's like, dude, like, you're out of money.

You're out of money. Like, you're one of the best actors in the world. What are you doing and started hitting him over the head with this C Love Script? Chris, can you think of any other situation ever like this where someone who is this high up the ladder and anything just said I'm out? I guess it happens in music, right? The closest thing that we have to, and it's way more elective, is Daniel DeLuis. So, DDL is the one who routinely takes years and years between roles, has a kind of soft

retirement going on, which I guess is sticking, although he's like, every once in a while you'll see him in paparazzi photos, but he's the only, like, great actor where you're like, oh, I guess you're just like, but it sounds like Pacino walked away from movies because he had such a bad experience on Revolution that he needed to go and put himself back together.

It doesn't really feel like movie jail happens like this anymore. It's like somebody might be a star and then they can just go and sort of slide into doing more supporting roles if they feel like they're not box office gold anymore. But the idea of just being like exiled from the industry and who knows, like, what other things were happening in Pacino's life at the time. But that does seem pretty rare.

He's pretty famous for movies he didn't do. Like he, I think he turned down Star Wars. I think he turned down fatal attraction. Like, if you go through the list of movies Al Pacino's turned down, they're like 10 blockbusters. So what were you going to say, Wes? No, I love the point in his career that this movie catches him in to understand that he's just coming back from a hiatus.

And to know that that send of a woman's her. is kind of right around the corner. Right. To catch him before that where he's not yelling at everybody in every single scene in this movie is pretty cool. So the part I remember

because I was in college when this movie came out was it was a big deal that Pacino was coming back with a movie that we kind of wanted to see. Like the commercial, the trailer come out and it's like, oh, not only is Pacino back, this movie looks good. And you even see like, In Ebert, in Ebert's review, he said for Pacino, C-Love is a reminder of the strong presence

he established in street roles in the 1970s before he drifted away into unfocused stardom in too many softer roles. This time, he seemed sharp, edgy, complicated, and authentic. And that was the feeling in 1989. It was like, I missed this guy. This guy is one of the most important actors of my life. Like, I'm just kind of glad he's back. By 1989, also, I feel like Scarface was...

Had started to pop. Had starting to come. Well, he was on cable a lot. To Waz's point, it's like an iconic cultural touchstone. It was happening. And it's really interesting to hear Waz say that

because I think that sometimes like we're, when we go through people's careers, we do it this sort of like one, then two, then three, then four. But when you have somebody who's younger, like Waz is 10 years younger than us,

15 years younger than us, like he's going to have, it's going to go one, then five, then seven, than two, because he's jumping around the person's filmography.

and it's like what's become more significant. Like for my, I think the person that I've kind of grown up with in a lot of ways, he's older than I am, but for his movies at least has been like Daniel DeLewis. So like to me,

like my left foot and in the name of the father loom pretty big because like I had never really seen performances like that. I felt like when I saw them, even though most people would be like, it's there will be blood and phantom thread. And Lincoln are kind of like these later period, sort of huge performances in people's imagination.

But he was like a brilliant young actor. growing up for me. I mean, you gotta figure I was born in 87, so by the time I become a sentient being at like eight years old, that's 1995. Scarface is like firmly entrenched in everything I know pop culture wise. Every single dorm room poster. Period. Yeah.

Everybody knows the quotes. Like, every, it's everywhere. It's basically the like, the urtext of rap at the time. Yeah. By the time I got to college, that it happened. late 80s, Scarface, and I think part of it was it was just on cable a lot. And it was a movie that the first time you saw it, there's so much going on. It's so fucking crazy.

The last 20 minutes is so absolutely insane that you kind of leave the theater. Like, what did I just see? And he's so over the top in his performance. But then as you start jumping into different pieces of it, then it starts clicking. So I feel like that combined with see a love, seemed like it was good. And then by this time, there were rumors Godfather 3 was actually happening, and they were going to film it. And all of a sudden, it was like, Pacino's back. Yeah.

Missed him. And at the same time, De Niro just had midnight run. And De Niro's about to go on his amazing run. And this is when De Niro versus Pacino went to a whole other level as, all right, who you got? Who's your guy? Are you a De Niro guy or a Pacino guy? Which was things we actually argued about in bars. He does something really smart where he takes this time off and whether or not it was elective or like it was decided for him.

and he kind of recreates the Al Pacino persona. Because when you think about Al Pacino's early movies and Dog Day and especially Serpico where he's playing a New York cop and he's like, he's the rookie of the year. He's the guy who sees like the moral clarity like the corruption of the New York Police Department. He's like the young guy. And then to jump ahead to 89 and he's playing Frank and he's like, I just got my 20. I don't give a shit. All I want to do is get drunk.

And everybody's like, I'm going to retire and open a hotel. He's like, I'm nothing without this job. It's a really wise kind of like update on the character. Yeah, that's a great point. It informs a lot of his 90s decisions in a lot of ways. Well, as I wrote down, is this the smokiest, smelliest, and drunkest Puccino has ever been in a movie? Dude, so we're going to get into this.

You can feel the cigarettes kind of coming off him during this movie. So everybody on this call at one time or another was a smoker. Yeah. Like a pretty active cigarette smoker. I've never smoked a cigarette in my bed, ever in my life. I've never done that. And I wanted to ask you guys about this. Because that scene where he calls his ex-wife and he's so cooked, he is absolutely done,

drunk and feeling sorry for himself. He's smoking his cigarette in his bed. That's a level of smoking that might be past shower smoking. It's closer to Don Draper than it is to anything else where it's like you just have the ashtray right on the nightstand so that you can put it on your chest while you smoking. I did one girl who did it and I always thought it was like the most amazing thing I'd ever see. That anybody would be like you couldn't even just go in the other room to do this. It's like you just have to roll over. There are layers of smoking from our era where it was like, first you would have a cigarette

outside. Then maybe like the big thing for me was I started dating a girl who smoked inside. Yeah. First meeting in college, three of us smoked in the suite indoors. Right. Then there's smoking in the bedroom, which is another level. And then smoking in bed, which is literally the like, don't smoke in bed. That's how you burn your house down is like, that's the final boss of smoking.

Is bed worse than smoking as you're? eating dinner because that was what my mom always says her dad did. She said he would be eating dinner with a cigarette. And I was like, wait, he was smoking as he was eating. And she was like, yeah, he smoked five packs a day. You don't really slow down when you're at five packs a day. I would never do that just because it would ruin the pleasure of lighting up as soon as you were done dinner. Exactly. So smoking obviously suppresses your appetite a lot. A lot of times the cigarette after the meal is your reward for actually eating something. You know what I mean?

It's like, all right, let me go smoke a butt real quick. We have to take a break, and then we're going to talk about the one, the only, Ellen Barkin. If you thought HBO's euphoria was intense in high school, saddle up. Season three of Euphoria picks up five years later, and life looks very different. Hello, Rue. You owe me money. No matter what they're chasing, money, love, or redemption, no one can escape. their fate. The problem is, if you make a deal with the devil, there's no turning back.

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She'll talk shit about movies she made. She'll talk shit about people she worked with. It's incredibly entertaining to read up on all the stuff she's done. But one of her quotes was, if you're a man, like, like Nick Dalti Appachian and Robert De Niro, that means deeply talented and deeply committed. If you're a woman, it means you're difficult. And Deborah Winger has quotes like this too.

It's the quote unquote difficult actors. They always say this. And it's a great point. Why do they get the bad rap? But we have like all these crazy actors. They're like, oh, yeah, he's a little out there. Why is that CR? And meanwhile, like, Ellen Barkin and Deborah Winger,

a lot of, like, what you're referring to is, like, they show up on set and, like, their male director is like, guess what? I forgot to mention it's a nude scene today, you know, or, yeah, let me pull off your Merkin. Yeah, right, with Ellen Barkin's case. It's, uh, it's definitely unfair. It's like we lionize like the difficult men.

And then, uh, if it's like a, if it's a actress who's like, hey, I have a couple of issues with the way the story is being told. It's like, uh, I was pain in the ass, you know? Was, what's your, what's your Ellen Barkin relationship? My relationship honestly starts, um, in Ocean's 13. I don't have a relationship with her. Same. Thank you, Craig.

Horlbeck from the peanut gallery. And by the way, you know, when I interacted with her in Ocean 13, I was quite intrigued. I was like, oh, I like this older white sage. I'm into this. I like this a lot. And so that end, you know, in more recent years, her Twitter account, she's a pretty active member of the resistance. if you catch my drift on Twitter. And so that's kind of been,

I never felt the need to be like, oh, I need to do a deep dive on this woman's previous work because she'd never seen like somebody who was that relevant in the culture, right? It just didn't feel that way. Anyway, but of course in oceans, she's incredibly alluring and incredible, like,

in the way that, you know, a sort of knowing, older, you know, sexual woman might be. And so for me, that was my introduction to her. What was, is this your introduction to her, Bill? No, no, no. Let's do diner, dog. Come on. It starts diner.

It starts diner and then Eddie and the Cruisers the next year, which you cannot stream because I actually wanted to do this as a one for us with CR, Eddie and the Cruiser's rewatchables. Not available. Like literally nowhere. It's not even on YouTube. It's just all copies are gone. But those were my first two things with her. She was in Harry and Son.

The big one for her was the Big Easy. The Big Easy is... That was a star-making performance. Her and Dennis Quaid, they're in New Orleans. It's a great... It's an all-time New Orleans movie. And it really seems like they're fucking in the love scenes. Like, they're just going at it.

And it was like, whoa, this is like somebody I haven't seen before, right? You remember that, Chris. I certainly remember the Big Easy. I certainly remember their electric chemistry. The introductory shot of Ellen Barkin in this movie where he's doing the speed dating run and then she's the third date or she sits down

and they cut to her face which is one of the most distinctive beautiful faces I think in like movie history yeah it's just like it's real like I would throw my life away for this like right now and no question it's so can you imagine she

it's like a lightning bolt hits she blows Pacino completely off the screen it's like nobody's watching Al Pacino in that scene She is so amazing. She's just a, what a amazing. I keep thinking about like her face. Like her face is just one of those like,

what an incredibly beautiful person that also like completely understands the instrument that she's playing and can like manipulate people. But was also like attainably attractive. She wasn't like Kelly Preston attractive. She was like, oh, this is somebody like, I feel like if I was talking to her at a bar at a level. o'clock at night, I might have a chance. This is always my favorite part.

It's like, if you were doing smoking six at 3 a.m. Yeah. It's like I'm smoking out the window of somebody's apartment and she comes over and asks for a lad. And Ellen Barking comes over to Bill's in. I know I just saw it. I might have a chance. And Bill's like, you know, I don't know if I ever told you about this, but I have

kind of a basketball pyramid thing going on. Let me just say this. Bill. That's what I mean. I know exactly what you mean. However, the woman who shows up to this, the woman who shows up to this date is out of our league. Okay?

Yes. The red jacket. Because the movie's trying to explain to us like, one is to think that this is the devil, y'all. This is the Garden of Eden. This is the forbidden fruit. This is the devil. She got the red jacket, the red lipstick.

And most importantly, She's got this devilish half smirk, where she's just like, you have no idea what's about to happen to your life, motherfucker. And it's perfect. I guess the eye contact thing was another great thing for her. She just locks in on her co-star. Yeah. She pulls more out of Pacino in this movie than I think any other actress has pulled out.

Like you really feel like he wants to jump her bones. Immediately. Immediately. It's weird because after this, and I think this movie made her a legitimate star. And then it was like, you look at everything after her and it's just, it's not great. And I don't know how much the difficult, like her big movie two years later was called Switch or was a man trapped in a woman's body. Is that a Blake Edwards movie? Yeah. Yeah. And then she was in this boy's life with Leo and De Niro and she's great in that.

And that's a really good movie, but it wasn't like a monster hit. And then it just, you know, you just kind of, especially if you're in your early 40s, as an actress, you just kind of get run over by the one who's five years younger, and that was it. And all of a sudden, she wasn't a leading actress anymore. But I was thought, it's amazing to me, she never found her stride in like a mid-90s HBO or maybe early showtime, like some sort of drama, something like that. I think she found some T&T show later, but I was like to, to me, she's like a one-on-one.

I don't even know who you would compare it to. She's the matriarch on Animal Kingdom. I feel like you're an animal kingdom guy, CR. Am I making that out? I like the early seasons. I didn't stick with it, but I enjoy the early stuff. Yeah, the early stuff. I remember when I told Chris that I played tennis with Sean Hattice.

He was so impressed. Being an Animal Kingdom guy. The cast in this movie is another reason that it's so much fun just to see it pop up where you got Richard Jenkins, you get John Goodman, either pre-Rosein or right as Roseanne Star Day. Nobody really knew who he was at that point. Michael Rooker coming off Henry Portrait of the Seventh. killer, which I was one of only five people who saw.

Your guy, Paul Calderon. Oh, my God. And then the one and only John Spencer. It's just a cast of back then they were those guys. And one scene for Sam Jackson. Yeah. A little Sam Jackson during the Sam Jackson when he was in 17 movies a year with like five lines. Coming to America.

Yeah. Just kept popping him. Directed by Harold Becker. CR mentioned that it was written by Richard Price. $19 million budget made $110.10.9 million. Could we have squeezed this into wait, how much money did that movie make month? Or no, Chris.

110.9. It's not like jaw dropping, but it's a lot. I think, yeah, I heard you saying that you might want to include a couple more movies in this theme. I think it would work, especially if you think about how when you watch this movie, it's way more of a fucked up romance movie than it is a cop movie. Like, the cop movie is basically.

kicked through the last 20 minutes. So our guy, Roger Ebert, three stars. He said, what impressed me most in the film was the personal chemistry between Pacino and Barkin. There can be little doubt at this point that Barkin is one of the most intense and passionately convincing actresses now at work in American movies. Her performance in the Big Easy was Oscar caliber. And again, this time she seems to cross some kind of acting threshold. And then he writes, when she roughly embraces Pacino and then stalks around the room like

a tigress in heat before returning to her quarry. There's an energy that almost derails the movie. Raj, have a glass of water. Hose yourself down. Jeez, Raj. Put the Viagra down. He needed a cigarette after this movie. He's smoking out of the window.

For God's sakes. My God, Raj, big barking guy. It's a hot day in Chicago. All right. Most rewatchable scene obviously have to have to start with tricking the Yankee fan criminals into a Yankee hang.

Have you ever, have you done this to Jacko? Be honest. I wish somebody would. I wish somebody would get all these people together and then arrest all them. Was, no scene more in your wheelhouse than this. It's just so good, especially just because the Yankee component of it in New York, I don't think people understand that like for both the, I happen to be a Mets fan. Obviously, there's a lot of devotion for the Mets. But the Yankee devotion, arrogance, it's hard to like explain, man.

So the idea that they were offering a Yankee meet and greet to these convicts, 1,000 percent they're going to show up. Like, this isn't even a question they're showing up to this thing. So I buy the premise off the rip. Irrational confidence. Okay. Fast forward the next rewatchable scene. Honestly, the movie takes a little bit to get.

get going? It does. And then as soon as Frank has a couple, as we start, we come up with the dating plan scheme. I know how we catch her? We put in our own ad. Say what? New York Weekly magazine. We put our own ad in.

A hundred guys place ads in there a month. They get 30 to 50 responses each. That's 4,000 or 5,000 women. What are we going to do? Go out with 5,000 women. Hell no. We know the broad is into rhyming ads, right? So we put in a rhyming ad.

Moon, June, Spoon, Sandou. We set up dates with 30, 40, 50, the ladies who answer. We take them out, some restaurants, some bar, get their prints on a wine glass. Bingo cheese dropped. I love it. It's horseshit, but I love it. You know how many guys put ads in that magazine last month? Our guy, Frank, played by Pacino, goes on a couple dates, including the lady with the big wig.

Yeah. He's like, we'll call you. And she reads her. And she's like, no, you won't. Gives him the sad eyes. The lady who comes in and says, you've got cop eyes. I get this very weird feeling you're not who you say you are. There's something not right about this.

Oh? What do you mean? I don't know. Like what? You got cop's eyes. Cops eyes. Yeah, you look at me and I feel like I did something. Like it did something?

Like what? Yeah, my ex-husband was a cop. What? What are you? You're a printer? You're a printer. I got a dick. He gets pegged for cop-eyes a couple of times.

You're a printer, I've got a dick. Who do you know has cop-eyes, Chris? Anybody? Fantasy. Does fantasy have cop-eyes? I think he does. That's messed up. That's messed up.

And then Barkin comes in with a red jacket. You're just not my type. I believe in animal attraction. I believe in love at first sight. I believe in this. You like the park and I like the beach. You like movies. I like plays.

You're a printer. Manage a shoe store. And I don't believe in wasting time on this kind of stuff. You know what you know. And you go with it. You go with what? You just not my type. Oh, I just sat down.

I give a little bit of time. I believe in animal attraction. I believe in love at first sight. I believe in this. And I don't feel it with you. And she snaps in his face. You don't got it. It's such a Pacino move, too.

It's like doing a crossover on Kyrie. It's just like you're doing, you go right back at him. She goes right at him. You're right. Next one, Frank running into Ellen Barkin again. And he slowly is trying to decide which pair to buy at a great story. It's so funny. It's like, when has Frank ever had a piece of fruit?

Right. It's putting to be his first strawberry. But then it's on. The attraction's on. They're going to go on a date. He calls Goodman. and Goodman had does the Frankie, she's a fucking suspect.

Just walk away. Great bar scene. I've done some desperate, foolish things at three in the morning. I guess late. Sometimes I feel like a big cat in a smoke. Oh, yeah?

You know, I have done some desperate, foolish things come three o'clock in the morning. You mean like being here? here with me. I just put Chino in a bar late at night. Good things are going to happen, wise, whether he's talking to a girl,

whether he's trying to solve a crime. Like, I just, you feel like you're in safe hands. The bar, the lighting's going a little down. It's getting a little dimmer. There's some cheesy song on. The way he orders his doers. I'm just like, yeah, this is a guy who has been here. Five days a week, the last five years.

There's, there's laying your bills on the bar and being like, this is how much I'm drinking. And then there's the guy who comes in throws his bills on the bar and is like that's how much I'm drinking and that's that's a different level I've always wanted it's never never happened to me even in my biggest drinking days of the going to the bar ordering a shot throwing it down putting it down and then the guy just immediately pours another one there's some sort of vibe you have to be giving that it's like I'm definitely a two for one special right now it also helps if it's the Vietnam War era but yes yeah you're right

Good point. Next rewatchable scene, the sex scene is maybe the funniest sex scene we've ever had. She's got a startup pistol in her purse. He throws her in the closet because he doesn't trust her. He does the, feel my heart, feel my heart. It's like a drum. Beating like a drum, baby. Blame the city.

The city is what it does to people. And then she just starts mawling him. And he's just like, oh, oh, Jesus. Oh. And that's like the inversion, the sexual inversion that happens where she's like got him up against the wall. Right. She's patting him down like a cop. Yes.

And then she mounts it. Yes. Yes. That's what, it was her basically establishing her dominance over him. Because she comes out the bathroom ready to have a nice intimate moment. She's got her robe on. Yeah. Right.

Everything. She's being, you know, a lady or whatever. And he roughhouses her because he's so scared that he's. fucking a serial killer. And so she's like, all right, I got something for that ass. I'm going to make you feel how I felt just moments ago. Only she was scared. Yeah.

Al Pacino was loving it. He was absolutely obsessed with me. Then she says in the bedroom the next, in the bed the next morning when she's like ready for around 16 and he's like, I'm done. I'm tapped out, man. You've murdered me. I need to be airlifted out of this bed. I lived into the standing position.

And she says, I always used to think I live for love. I mean, what else is there? Food? This was, we used to joke a long time ago that this would have been the funniest high school yearbook quote you could have come up with. Just quoting Alan Barkin, just putting that in your high school yearbook

for the rest of attorney. This five minutes is the fucking hilarious. It just kills me. The shoe store scene, I have down. Two gumbas. The two gumbas come in. I love this scene so much.

It's also like such a throwback to a time when like you could have a job managing a shoe store that sold like 12 pairs of shoes. Right. And like that's just like on Madison Avenue and it's like work. And like now. And y'all can pay your rent with that. And pay employees. Yeah. That's when Pacino snaps and does it goes in a scent of a woman mode.

A brief preview of what's to come four years ago. He was like, I'm everybody. his daddy. Pretty bad. It's just too much for you, I mean, you let scum like that in here,

but my being a cop, I mean, that's just too much, you know, let me tell you something about this. All these people in here with their rocks and their furs, they get robbed, they get raped. I'm all of a sudden their daddy. See, come the wet-ass hour,

I'm everybody's daddy. He gets made, yeah. Dude, the gumba who, Hawks a Lugie in the freaking shoe store? Like, well, what? Big Lugie, too, not like a small loogie. Bruh. More we watchable.

Pacino's apology in the kitchen when he becomes soft-spoken. I fucked up, Pocino. I can't even sleep in my own bed unless you're in it. And then he sees the ads on the fridge. Yeah. Because, you know, who doesn't keep their... Who doesn't bring out singles ads?

And put them next to their kids' artwork. Yeah, who doesn't just put up eight or nine of those? I had that in Nick picking Nits, but we'll talk about it now. Just keep all of them up. Who's going to notice or think that's weird at all? And then he does the Pacino face. Then we have Helen playing him Sea of Love that that's like, oh, wait, she is the killer. This is one of those the first time you see it.

Isn't she? So why is at this point, do you think she's the killer? I pretty much think she's the killer the whole way. there are moments that I have my doubts. Like, I'm like, oh, shit, the mom is legitimate. Oh, shit, look how cute that baby is. Oh, shit, she really has a job and is like pretty good at it. And like, seems like a well-adjusted human being.

There are moments of doubt. But the movie set me up. I'm like, there's no way a woman this good at sex is not a killer. You know, like the movie sets me up to think that she's a killer the whole time for me personally watching it. I'm like, yeah, she's definitely the one. And also, you know, movie, like, I come into it with my own biases, right? Like, I've already seen basic instinct. I've already seen, you know, all these other movies where fatal attraction, where the femme fatale is literally, you know, a killer.

And so I'm carrying those biases throughout this movie where this movie's trying to tell us, like, yo, guys, like Al Pacino's just a sicko. The fact that he's treating his job this way for a piece of pussy is, like, fucking nuts. But the movie is trying very desperately when you watch it over to be like, she's a normal nice lady who's just really good at sex. Well, then we have two more scenes.

The big fight scene with Michael Rooker. I am such a huge fan of the throwing the bad guy out the window and having them fall to their death. When is it not that awesome? It's always good. Never fails. Always good. And then I really love the final scene.

And it was interesting to do the research of this movie because anytime I watch this on cable, it always seemed accidental that Pacino got bumped by somebody walking as he's in the middle of this dramatic moment and he just gets sideswiped like Michael Parsons and then hops back in. And they actually thought there's a YouTube, there's like a director commentary thing that's on YouTube

and they talk about like the director thought it was amazing that Pacino gets knocked backwards, regroups, jumps back in his character and catches up. And she's laughing. And they just kind of keep the scene going. They decided to keep the time. If you watch it again, too, there's a couple of points where you can see people notice it's Al Pacino. Right.

I think they pretty much just, like, ripped and run that scene. Yeah. So, yeah, I love that. What do you got for most rewatchable scene was? I've got a couple that I think you left off that I thought were pretty important. Obviously, the aforementioned on the bed with the cigarette, pissy drunk, calls his ex-wife, who's now has a living partner. He says,

who is his partner? Who was his partner? Did I wake you? I think I got appendicitis. I think I got appendicitis is just a great, great line. The scene where they're in the police station walking down and he's bitching about his ex-wife with an earshot of this same dude. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that culminates into this huge. fight, which I absolutely loved. Oh, that's at the detectives party. That's like the party for like the guys. Yeah, I should have put that in. You're right, Wes. I like a good detective's party is always good with some drunken. Also, when they brawl at a detective party, it's like somebody just like trip quickly. Yeah. Nobody's not, everybody's just completely non-pussed that people are throwing punches. What else do I got? The wedding scene, obviously the whole wedding scene, John Candy is just getting fucking bombed. Oh, the Long Island. Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. The, the The wedding scene is incredible.

So what do you have for most? What's your number one? For me, oh, so this is, and I don't think this is in this, but again, this is, my personal favorite scene is when he calls her up and he tells her not to wear the panties. Yeah. When they meet up in the middle of the night and she's wearing a long coat in the convenience store and she brushes up against them and then sometimes she gets close and he feels to see if the panties there, but it's gone.

And like that scene just explains to you like this man, he's lost his fucking mind for this woman. And this is why. Like he spontaneously called her. She obliges. She looks incredible. That, for me, that's the scene that I go back to because it just reminds you like why this guy is doing what he's doing. So Waz likes when Pacino gets freaky. What do you got, Chris?

I'd like to get creative here, but it's the first sex scene. It's their first night going home from the convenience store after she finds him and he's like, yeah, that my mom wrote that poem. And then they have, he throws her in the closet. Yeah. He jumps on top of her. Then she jumps on top of him, the whole thing. I have that as well.

Good. What stage the best? I like seeing these cheesy late 80s, New Yorker Yankee fans with like that era where everybody kind of looked vaguely like Don Mattingly's cousin or Mike Francesa. Or an extra. a Seinfeld episode. I just, I really enjoy that. The guy who comes up to him at the end who's like, I had to bring my kid to meet

Dave Winfield. Right. Yeah, Dave Winfield reference. That's another What Sage the Best. Sam Jackson's 1980s came in a run, we mentioned. I was, I wrote down for what's stage the best, drunk cops calling their ex-wife. Never fails in a movie. Never fails. Cops being

drunkards, cops being womanizers. The Wyatt taught us, that's universally true. Every department. apartment every time era that's ever existed. I have Richard Jenkins being the same age for about 35 years. He's in this movie in 1989 and then 20 years later looks exactly the same. I don't know what happened to Richard. I don't know why he doesn't age.

I don't understand that. And then I had for what stage the best, John Spencer. He plays Lieutenant John Longo Jr. Yeah, who has to listen to Pacino talking about strange trim. Right. And he's like, yeah, good, good point. Frank. The quotes, the quotes in this, the, it's too good.

Oh, John Longo Jr. He says that he's trying to hook up Pacino with his, like his cousin or somebody. He's like, she's got great tits, divorced, no kids, no cats. And Pacino walks away and Goodman goes, lose sister-in-law. She sounds great. That sounds great. What else do you have for what stage the best, Chris? I have Al Pacino doing karate at the detective party

where he's just like they're trying to give his speech and Al Pacino's got like a fight club going to the side of this VFW hall. I mentioned the Dave Winfield thing and one of my favorite little bits that's not a rewatchable scene but it's definitely edge the best is Al Pacino is Frank showing off his new loafers to all his co-workers

is like check this out my new lady got these for me But that's the thing. Whenever you see a dude wearing something or something in his appearance being way off from what you knew of him before, you know there's a woman involved, right? Like that's like so beautiful. Anyone's age the best from you, wise, or should we keep going? I got a couple. The first being the record collecting when she's like, yo, these things would be worth a fortune one day to my kid. Like the record collecting business market culture is.

insane. Like, there are records that are worth like two, $3,000. Like, it's crazy how, you know, prescient they were about that truth. Even in 1989, records were like a dated sort of technology. And for them to mention that in a movie, and that'd be a part of the plot of the movie, this old 45s. Like, I thought that was dope. And my second age, the best, the actual killer

blaming it on the Negroes. Turns out that still works, guys. That's right. I had them what's age the worst. I had that it was age the worst as well. Yeah. That age the best. It still works.

You can still do that, folks. If you want to get away with something, just blame it on the darkies. My only other what's age the best bill is Richard Price, New York dialogue. Oh, yeah. I like it. Yep.

Kid Cuddy Pursued Happiness Award for Best Neal Job. I don't know what that sax song is in the grocery store when he tells her to meet. It sounds like a shot. Charday song. If the movie is named Sea of Love, it's got to be Sea of Love. So for me, it was another one bites the dust at the wedding party. Because to me, it's like a play on the serial killer theme.

You feel me? Like, more people to die in. Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. I like the fingerprinting the wine glasses was fun watching. The wine glasses all of a sudden became super important. Denna Thieves, Benny Hanna Award, scene stealing location. It's just that New York City bars and just kind of the late 80s

just feels very authentic. They did a good job but the location's got it. I really feel like I was in there. He hooks up what fucking Yankees or Mets game are we watching tonight? Yeah. The score.

Yeah. So for me it was actually the restaurant with the speed dating. Oh yeah. It's so loud. It's smoky. It's like super bit. There's like a lot of energy in that place.

Like that was really cool. I was like I want to go to that fucking restaurant. I love the shot of when Pacino gets out of the surveillance van and walks across, like, I think it's Columbus to get it, because you can see Lincoln Center in the background. Yeah. It's just like a great, like New York, like my fucking juices are flowing. Time to go date three women. That restaurant is called O'Neils. I don't know if it still exists, but that's what it was called when they filmed. Chris, what do you got for Great Shot Gordo for the most cinematic shot? I actually have the last

shot of them walking down the street and trying to reconcile just because it feels so. live. You like the camera panning back with the group of the R2 characters sinking into a group of people. Yeah, I love it. It's one of your signature shots in your movies. That's right. My favorite shot is every single time the dudes a dry hump in the mattress and they put

a serial killer. Awesome. Pants to his ass first. Tough way to go. Why Rooker makes them do that? Tough way to go. We have Rooker coming up because I'm giving. him the Vincent Chase Award for, are we sure this character was actually good at his job?

Yeah. So this killer, he just follows this girl he used to love on her dates and immediately kills who she's with. Like, you're getting caught, dude. Like, somebody is putting together this not elaborate chessboard of moves of every time this woman goes on a date with this guy, he ends up brutally murdered shot in the back of the head. It probably would have gotten caught faster if he wasn't being investigated by a guy who was blackout drunk every single night.

Right. Dude. So that why to me it's like Frank, is he really a good detective? Well, he's the other one who could have won the Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure Frank was even a decent detective?

Dude, when he smudges the fingerprints on purpose, it's like, you don't even bother to check. This is my- Stephen A. Smith. We're not dealing with Sherlock Holmes right here. You know, like... Right.

This type of... Guys in the Butch's Girlfriend Award for the weak link of the film. This is the problem with this movie is the Michael Rooker character. We meet him at the 15-minute mark briefly. He's telling a joke. He's just sitting at table. You don't think anything of them. Then you meet him again at like the 45-minute mark when he blames the black person at

the grocery store for the murders, basically. So it's like, okay, sort of memorable. But, you know, there's a lot going on in this movie. It's not really registering. You know he's a famous actor. So that's always a red first. flag in a movie like this. But then the reveal that he's the killer,

I'm not sure the movie earns it. Ebert had a problem with this too, Chris. There's also, it might have been even more convoluted, but I thought about it this time watching it, especially because John Goodman is John Goodman now. But there is a John Goodman twist that was there where it's like, Goodman's cop is the one killing these guys.

Ooh. Because he has the whole thing in the middle of the movie where all of a sudden he starts getting into the nightlife and going out and, I never did this before, Frankie. Yeah, and it's like, you know, he really is insistent that they work together so you could be like maybe he's trying to derail

the investigation in some way. I kind of was like the second time around, I was like, if you're going to do a remake, that would be an interesting twist to put on it. I think it needed another Michael Rooker scene where he goes to the grocery store with them and he's like, I swear to God, it was this guy,

and like just something to make him more distinct before he shows up at the end. So upon watching it, the second time or third time for me, honestly, it felt like the part about blaming it on the black kid was just to have just a little bit of, it's possible that it's somebody else for Detective Frank, just so he could just have a little bit of like,

it might be the black kid. There's no evidence for it. But then we never see that plot again. They go to the grocery store and then it just kind of goes to the wayside. So that's probably the flaw of the movie. Ebert said the ending cheats by bringing a character. from left field at the last moment. The audience is not fairly treated.

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Is this just Tinder? To me, it's just Tinder. That's why to me it doesn't age badly. It's an alternative way of meeting people that isn't being social, right? Like going out to a bar. going to a friend's get together. It's this alternative way. And before we had the technology for Tinder,

you took out ads in the village voice. Like, I thought that actually aged perfectly because of how it played out. Like, when they're in the detective's office and they're calling the girls to set up the dates, which essentially is after you match, you sort of are in that phase of setting up a time to meet up. And, you know, John Candy's,

John Goodman is like, my mother's name was Amber. That is so true life to me. As somebody who was recently single and doing this, you know, completely debasing act of trying to meet people on the internet to date, it rang so true to me that they were doing the little small talk, what's your favorite color? What did your dad do for a living? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So that they could set up the actual meetup. Like to me, all of that felt like it aged gracefully. It's just a different mode of technology to get those same exact things done. Those awkward convos on the phone really reminded me of the stupid text that you do when you first match with somebody on a dating app. Chris, what do you got for what stage the worst? I have men sleeping in deformed white t-shirts. It's not that I need guys to wear silk pajamas,

but there's something truly grotesque about seeing... He's so disgusting. Goodman and Pacino sleeping in these like distended fucking v-necks and just be like, oh, Jesus Christ. I also have on... It's kind of actually perfect as a detail, but it's like great divorced man interior design energy. Al Pacino's shower curtain is just two cartoon alligators.

Yeah. It's the worst shit. It makes no sense why that would be a shower card. But it's also just like the second Ellen Barkin would have saw that. She would have just been like, what the fuck is this guy doing? Speaking of Pacino, I had her saying the words to her young, how old was that kid, four years old? Yeah.

This is your new stepfather, Lieutenant Frank Keller. That is the worst. Pacino's yellow HD teeth are pretty rough. Maybe it's a couple of crest wed strips for him. And then in the morning, she goes right in for some open mouth kissing with Pacino after their night together. I would have been worried about it. There's not a previous night. A tube of crest in sight.

Honestly, like, whoa, you really like that guy if you're doing that. I also had, they go to the grocery store and Pacino says, Do one of your kids got cornrows? Afro hair? That's tough. Maybe they could have a consultant. Afro hair was tough. Again, there's too many great quotes.

There's just too many great quotes, but he called it Stevie Wonderhair. You're right. As far as what's the worst too, because like it would have been different now, is you would have just been able to quickly Google image Phil Rizzuto and realize something was going wrong. Yeah, true.

in the Yankee thing. I had, I almost did this for my hottest take. I just don't think Cia loves a very good song. Whoa. Yeah, not a huge fan.

Oh, I think it's beautiful. Wow. Never been a giant fan. I think there are some other 60s or 50s songs that maybe could have been more interesting. I just don't like hearing it five times, but it's fine.

I'm not like, oh my God, I hate this song, but I don't know. I don't love it. Where do you stand? Wise. I can't lie to you guys This is not something that played in my house

Growing up First time I heard this song It was the first time I watched this movie I'm like okay This is cool Regular, you know I could see 1950s

You know drive in movie That's what the song evokes for me But I'm not that impressed by it I have one more Would Stage the worst But why does you have any Before I do it The slut shaming

Towards the end of the movie We was like Ah How many of those dates Did you go on? It's like What did we do? doing Al Pacino.

Like, look at your life. Look at you. You're a drunk. You hit the lottery. You're a divorce saying you're, because I went on some dates. Like, it's just, but then again, again, like, is it aging horribly when men are still doing this type of nonsense in 2023? But I would imagine in 1989, people watching that movie being like, yeah, why is she dating

all those dudes? Yeah. You tell her, Al. So the number one, what's age the worst for me? and it's on YouTube. I sent you the deleted scenes. There's two deleted scenes. There's a scene when he's kind of staking out the building

and he sees somebody who seems like a suspect, but it turns out the guy's a bodyguard for a kid at elementary school, but the guns are drawn and it becomes this whole event. And then he goes the next thing in the police station, and his ex-wife is there, and she's coming in and check on him, shared about the thing. And she's played by Lorraine Brocko, aka Mrs. Henry Hill from Goodfellas

and Dr. Janice Belfi and they have a really good three-minute scene and it's also Pacino's real-life girlfriend, right? Yeah, at some point. Oh, he's dating her at the time. Yeah, I think he was. And I have no idea why they cut it out. I actually thought it was really good

to beat his ex-wife. She tells the end of the scene, she tells him, I'm pregnant, and he hugs her. And I don't know. I thought it like it added, added some depth of the movie. and I don't get it.

I would have kept it. That might be some bias, some good fellow soprano's bias, Bill, because you love that actress so much, and you have so many great memories tied to her presence on screen that she's just like, that scene works perfectly. We need more perfect.

Yeah, that might be. I just liked putting a face with the ex-wife, but it's fine. Was there a better title for the movie? Probably not. I have lonely hearts, you know, because, like, they usually call the singles ad something like that.

See of love is a boring title, I got to say. I think they could have done a lot better. Because your video's not turned on, Craig, it just sounds like Staller and Waldorf. I like it, though. It's keeping me out my toes. It's like when Bill texts me, he's like, we're doing Sea of Love.

I'm like, what is this? But then I just... That's fair, though. But it doesn't reflect the movie to me. It's such an indictment on the rewatchables, but that's Craig's reaction. That's not the only time Craig was like, what is this?

Was, do you have a hottest take? I really don't. Like, so many things on this movie just absolutely work for me. Every single part of it just works for me. So there was nothing that I'm like, well, actually this, well, I don't. I got a good one.

I'll carry with this one. I just love it. My Stephen A. Smith's take. It's an absolute outrage looking back that Ellen Barkin did not have like an eight-episode run. on the Sopranos playing somebody. I just don't know how she wasn't on the show.

Could she have been a Tony mistress? Could she have been a rival mob boss that Tony couldn't believe there was like a female mob boss? Could it have been she's a madam, like a Heidi Flice character? Could it have been Carmel's sister? Oh, yeah. Who shows up for holidays and then starts coming on to Tony one night.

Super judgmental, but it's like a five. Yeah. And it's like a five episode arc. Could she have played Carmelo instead of Edie Falco? What do you think? I know that's sacrilegious. Let's talk it out. If she's Carmela's, where does the show go if she's Carmela Soprano?

I think she probably has too much sexual energy for the wife. Ellen Barkin doing the more like pedestrian. Like making chicken parm. But just like even like the beautiful scene where Carmel is in Paris or whatever, you know what I mean? Like Ellen Barkin almost seems as beautiful as Paris. So it's hard to. imagine her doing that.

We're trying to seduce Father Phil and not pulling it off. Like Ellen Bark is fucking getting Father Phil. Was that his name? This is no way. So to me, the reason why it's hard for me to see her replacing Carmelo, it's when she tears into Tony. Like, when Ellen Barkin tears into Al Pacino for the, like, the myriad of bullshit that he does in this movie, she's kind of taking it light on him.

Whereas Edie Falco in those scenes where she is just lighting into Tony Supranal. Like, it's nothing like that. She makes that dude look small in some of those scenes. I don't know if Ellen Barkin has that rage. What if she was the Julianne and Margulis character? The car salesman person that Tony had the affair with and then had to take her for a little ride with one of his cronies. Oh, yeah, the side piece that committed suicide. I like that.

I like that as an idea, too. All right. Casting what ifs. Dustin Hoffman was supposed to be in this movie. Yeah, and something weird happened. The only thing that would have been more perverted is if Dustin Hoffman had played play. Watching Dustin Hoffman get domed by Ellen Barkin. Right out of Rain Man, too.

It would have been like the next movie after Rain Man? Too weird. I don't think I could handle that. If it was Raymond Babbit meeting her. Maybe, I don't know. I could talk to something to it. Have to leave the date. Have to watch Wapner.

We mentioned Lorraine Bracco. That's the only other cast. It would have. The Ruffalo, Hannah Rubidick Partridge overacting award. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me,

lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give it all you got. Give it all you got. I treated you like a son. You fucking stand me in the heart. Fuck you.

It's Al It's always Pacino Listen Can I make a small case For the For the discount mafia Shoe store guys Oh sure

And you can make a case For Rooker But it's definitely Al It's not the mafia guys Who are like All right So how do I play a mafia guy Can you guys watch

This Andrew Dice Clay Comedy Special And then basically just do Dice Clay Can that be the move? Hawking the Lugie I don't know He thought he was doing something

Especially like Being in the scene But Al Pacino It's like He probably worked himself up into it like a tizzy and yeah that that was unconvincing

best that guy award so Pacino's dad is one of those William Hickey yeah yeah he's that guy that's also a really funny scene is when they're just getting fucking hammered in front of his dad oh yeah but that but that he unlocks the poem for them

yeah yeah well one of the other guys in that scene wins this award his name is Larry Joshua. It sure is. You know him better as obnoxious Yankee fan at the bar during the for love of the game, perfect game, the guy who's sitting next to Kelly Preston and talking out of his ass at the airport bar.

That's how I know him. Do you know him from somewhere else, you are? I mean, he's such a huge... He's like one of those guys. He's like one of those New Yorker 80s, 90s guys. Waz isn't a for love of the game guy. He just made it confused. No, never seen for love of the game.

folks. Dion Wader's a word. Who do you have? Michael Rooker? John Spencer. has the tenant John Longo Jr.? It's probably John Spencer,

but I like the old chick at the restaurant on speed date with Pacino. Oh, she was really good. Yeah, yeah. That's a good one. She's so good at playing a certain level of desperation and loneliness and wanting.

And when she realizes, she knew he was full of shit, when she sees the hot ass younger chick pull up to the date and the eye contact they made and she is just devastated and Pacino was just like fuck that was messed up she's another candidate for me recasting couch who is the

2024 version of the Pacino part who do you got CR? John Hamm are we giving them one more chance it's Oscar Isaac for me it's always Oscar Isaac I think about Pacino is always He reminds me of Pacino more than anybody of our current flock of actors.

To me, Oscar Isaac, I can see doing this in his fucking sleep because we just watch Marriage Story. I think based on early billions, too, I go for Giamatti. Hmm. Giamatti. Giamatti getting thrown up against the wall. Half-fass internet research.

Harrow Becker replaced Gregory Hoblet as the director. Harold Becker did some good stuff over the years, but he came in late. And then it was inspired by Price wrote a 1978 novel called The Ladiesman and then kind of refashioned it into different things. So can I give you a little bit of intel on this? Yeah. So Richard Price writes a couple of these novels in the beginning of his career, Ladies Man, The Breaks, they're kind of like coming of age books. He wrote this book called Blood Brothers, which is like about New York gangs. It's really good.

Ladies Man was based on an assignment he got from Penthouse. And the reason why I wanted to tell you about this bill is I know that as the unofficial mayor of the combat zone, I thought you might get off on some of the place names here. So this is what he said about ladies man. Came out of an assignment from Penn House. They wanted a series of three articles about public places in which you can go and either participate in or observe actual sex. At the time, I had never been to any of these places, not even a singles bar. So he goes to a singles retreat and the Catskills. And then an old friend of mine took me to a bunch of gay bars like the Anvil, the toilet. the ramp, the strap, the stirrup, and our very own Eagles Nest, Bill. Oh, the Eagles Nest is back. Yeah, so just it all comes full circle, back to cruising. Wow.

Look at Richard Price, man. On the ground. Doing the work, yeah. Doing the work. Shoe leather reporting. Apex Mountain, Pacino, no. Ellen Barkin? It's either this or Big Easy, right?

I think it's this era. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's probably this. 88, 89. The way Ebert wrote about her, yeah, I would say yes. John Goodman hasn't happened yet. That's coming later. Probably Roseanne crossed with Big Loboskey.

Phone ad dating murder movies. This is probably the apex, right? The phone ad dating, this is the apex for sure. Yeah. The song, See of Love probably didn't get any better. I think C of Love was like a massive hit when it was out. I think it was like the slow dance. Six, seven years.

The number three on Netflix is the number one for this? Yeah. I think it out of big, bigger culture. Pachino Perchino characters named Frank. So we got Colonel Frank Slade from Senate of a woman. I think that's the Apex Mousin.

We have Frank Serpico and we have Frank Keller. So how would you rank those, C.R? I think I'd go Slade, Serpico Keller with all due respect. Yeah, I mean, he won the Oscar for that. Yeah, I did wonder if Serpico is number one. But I think you're right.

He won the Oscar for. Frank Slate. Late 80's Yankee fans, I'm going to say yes. Michael Rooker. I don't know what it is, but it's not this.

It might be a cliffhanger, him taking a personally that Sly Stallone tried to save his girlfriend without a safety harness, which I'm still trying to figure that out. Yeah, and then that's all I got. All right, picking Nets.

So, would Alan Barkin's character really recover from Frank flipping out and locking her in a closet? I feel like that's the end of the date. It's like he gets nine strikes in this at bed. It's the end of the day. He shows up trashed to her apartment where her daughter is sleeping.

He like tries to like ask her to live with him but like gets bombed there. He throws her in a closet. He's like lies about what he does. He almost starts a fight in her place of business. It's crazy. Okay. There's all of that stuff. And then there's when I met you, you were a cop.

investigating a serial killer who you thought I was and then fucked me okay you thought I was a serial killer and still fucked me I don't know which one is worse bro that you once thought that I was a serial killer or that you were willing to fuck serial killers

like what? No no I can't sir I'm sorry we cannot date I'm sorry we Sorry. Also, it's Ellen Barkin. She could have done a lot better. Yeah.

There's some hedge fund guy in the late 80s she could have met. Yeah, I think locked in the closet, it's probably a deal breaker, but you guys just listed seven more. She could have started dating Kiki Van deway. You know? Kiki Van dewey.

Oh, man. Yeah, I had picking it's Frank. Frank revealing that he was on a job when they met was absurd. What did you got, Wes? Frank's still being forced to work with the dude who's now porking his wife. It seems like he loves it.

It seems like they could have found the way to separate those two homies. Yeah, maybe put them in a one different, yeah, put him in 76. That's 73. Yeah. Yeah. If they got married, her name would be Helen Keller. And I don't know if that was intentional or not. But I probably would have brought it up in the writer's room.

Maybe we call him Frank Kelly. the Helen Keller thing's just too weird or bring it up in the movie and be like, hey, if we got married, I'd be Helen Keller. Yeah, how hilarious. Yeah. But hold on, just a quick question, though. Yeah.

This is a New York City guy. What is the last name Keller supposed to be like ethnically, as in ethnic white? Like, is that supposed to be... I think just like German-Irish kind of... Yeah, or German is something like that. So, another pick-a-knit. How did Michael Rooker's character know every time she was going

on a date. He was probably following her around in his little cable van. That's a harder thing to do in New York City. So just every night, it's like, what are you doing tonight? I'm going to go, that girl I dated for a while. I'm just going to go stand in the sidewalk across from her building. She works at a shoe store that opens and closes at the same time every single day. So he knows when he needs to go see her after work.

She never notices him, not once. She's like, hey, that's that guy I dated. Why is he outside? my building again. And people wonder why getting their cable service in New York City is so problematic. It's just like these guys don't have their eye on the ball. Yeah, true. That's a good point.

That's all I got for picking nits. I have one which is sort of also a one, an unanswerable question. It's just like what are the legal precedents for the Yankees brunch? Like, we're currently watching Donald Trump just like kind of like sail through multiple federal trials. But they can just give

like a group warrant serving at a Yankees. he's brunch. Like, that's not entrapment at all. And then immediately pour shots to celebrate Frank's 20th anniversary as all the convicts are in the room. That part's pretty weird. It was the 80s, man. It was before Giuliani, man.

You could do certain type of things when you're police. That's right. That's right. So sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. I'm adding the rarely seen. I don't, I think there's only a couple times we've ever even suggested this as a possibility, but remake would be pretty interesting with Tinder. instead of the newspaper dates.

And just put it in this movie in 2024. I just have it written down app of love. I love that. And it's just like they're trying to find a serial killer using like dating apps. Plus that could be an Olivia Rodriguez song. Like I think there's a lot of tie-ins. It's app of love with the serial killer element.

But for me, it's basically the first season of Homeland. But the chick's a serial killer. You feel me? Like Brody was a terrorist. And it's like, wait, is she really fucking a terrorist as a CIA agent? It's basically the exact same thing. It's a cop chasing a serial killer and fucking them the whole time. And it's like the tension is like, are they really the killer?

Are they actually falling in love? Like, to me, it's just homeland all over again. Sign me up for that. Or call it swipe dead. Swipe. It's good. Swipe. Last swipe.

That's good. Also, make it all black. Make it all black just don't let Michael B. Jordan be the lead. He's the black Misha Barton. We don't need it. But make it all black, though. We can do it. All podcasts would be good.

All black cast with Tinder instead of newspaper ads. And no Michael B. Jordan's out. Yeah. What's spread on here? Michael B. Jordan shots. He's terrible. He's awful. He's awful.

He's a great-looking guy. I'm happy for his success. He's a terrible actor. There's this no way around. And he's been bad for a while. He almost ruined Friday night lights. Go back and watch the wires. Terrible Wallace.

Just horrible Wallace. Have you seen... Have you seen... Do you money? What happened? No, no, no, no. It's not no nothing. It's just...

My picture on fire. You know what? It's funny you should say, does he owe me money? It's one of those things where, like, you know, I talk to a lot of black people. Like, you would think that, like, Michael B. Jordan was... I don't even know. Like, Wesley Snipes or something. He's not.

He's just... not. He's bad. He's actively bad. We may have to bring back the hottest take just to get Waz's Michael Reguling stuff. I mean, this is why the hottest take was so great. I got to say, I thought he was bad in that movie, what was it called? Just Mercy? Oh my

goodness. Jesus. It was a little miscast in that one. But I'm pro-BJ for this. How do we manage to redo this movie TV show and not mention Sidney-Sweeney, Bill? How did that happen? In the recasting couch? Because I think the

cops are knocking down Bill's door as a SWAT team. You need somebody who's like a little older. I think you need

somebody who's got a single mother kind of situation. Some failed movies away. Just one Oscar, who gets it? I think Richard Price

for screenplay. I just love the dialogue in this movie. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Catherine Hans, Steve Bouchemi,

Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh. Byron Mayo. or Philip Baker Hall. Byron Mayo is pretty interesting addition to this. I know that there is probably a feeling like that this would fit Wayne Jenkins great because it's a cop situation.

But if Robert Logia had played Al Pacino's dad, and it was Byron Mayo, and he was like, Frank, Alan, don't fight. I'm right here. We got a single-sized bed over here. We got some Johnsons and Johnsons. We're just going to get in there. We're going to figure it out. what's mine is yours

it just throws up in a garbage kit yeah we need a powered mayo that I'm with you probably answerable questions so I actually counted how many cigarettes Pacino smoked in this movie I think my count was accurate it was 12 just 12 on camera cigarettes

over the course of I don't know 100 minutes it felt like more I probably would have guessed like 1819 I might have missed one or two because I was taking notes but any answer more questions for you guys? What's Helen's mom's take on this whole situation? Yeah. He had a feeling Helen's mom has seen some things.

Yeah. She's like, well, you know, at least he has a job that she'd kind of reach that level. He's got good benefits. He's got a stable pension. He's got health care. Yeah, that was pretty rough. Anything from you, Was? Well, this marriage lasts longer than the wedding.

Because he mentioned his previous marriage didn't last as a, long and I'm just like this how quickly does this thing end? Like how fast does this just burn up and smoke? So I had that in the Andy and Red Zwanay Award for what happened the next

day. I was going to ask you guys how many months does this go? I'm going to say less than four. Right? And he's definitely drinking again. He's like, I'm seven weeks sober. That's definitely not lasting. He's going around patting himself on the back. He's just like, by the way,

haven't had any double-doers. Club soda and lime. That's going to last until maybe February. Yeah, I think four months or less would be my guess. Right? I think so. I think that's the over. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

So having the actual see a love record that she plays in the thing, I think that would be pretty cool. Which you think is an overrated piece of pop. Well, just that, you know, or the red jacket, maybe the Elmbark of Red Jacket. I would go for Pacino's loafers. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Pacino's sunglasses that he wears into the office the night after the dates,

which is like the sunglass trick because I'm severely hung over and got zero sleep last night. Very great glasses, but just like, come on. Like, you're wearing glasses indoors. We know what you did last night. Coach Finstock Award, Best Life Lesson. I think Waz hit it. if you had sex with somebody who admitted after that he was on a job and thought you might have been a serial killer, but he had sex with you anyway, might be time to call that one quits.

That might be it. Yeah. Might be time. Good luck. Godspeed. Let's have a handshake and a hug. I think if there's any relationship you're in where someone close to you says, are we going to dust your dick for prints?

You probably strayed down the wrong path in the woods, you know? Did we talk about Goodman enough? in this in this pot because we're almost done. I thought Goodman was a great sidekick in this because we've seen the kind of jolly fat cop sidekick over and over again in movies. We even seen it in Basic Instinct a couple years later

with George Zunza. But I thought Goodman was really good in this movie. I really enjoy Pacino and Goodman when they go brace the guy in front of his whole family for leaving the ads. Right. So are we not going to talk about

some of the best quotes from this movie? Sorry, Bill, I didn't mean to step on you like that. Because there's just too many one-liners in this movie. Oh, I love it. It's horseshit, but I love it.

Oh, my God. I'm the arresting... Hold on. The arresting officer was the fucking doer. It's a joke. I think also come the wet ass hour, I'm everybody's daddy is really the number one draft pick. And then, you're killing me. Yeah, I want, there's a Goodman-Puccino buddy cop movie that never happened in the late 80s, early 90s that we get a taste of, but I think I would have enjoyed.

Who won the movie for you, Wes? I've never been more clear on a winner in my life. It's Ellen Barkin. She is this movie for me She's the center of it She's the soul She's the sex She's the everything

The passion And I like that she doesn't play at one note Like for me it's always about The change into the speeds And you know When you see her with her mother When you The way she talks about her kid

When she's like Frank you want me to move in like I come with a kid Like this would mean a family Like this isn't the type of thing You just gloss over I just love how she plays this This character

in such a 360, 360 degree manner. So for me, she wins the movie by far. I have that as well. Okay. All right. Let's bring in producer Craig. We threw yet another movie that was at least 20 years old at him. This one is 34 years old.

And incredibly erotic. What were your thoughts, Craig? Two thumbs up. I really enjoyed it. I really agree with you about Goodman. I think he really brightens up this movie. I kind of have a lot. a hard time believing that Pacino has chemistry with anybody? Like, especially women, but even men,

and Goodman managed to kind of work with him. The physical contrast is great. Goodman is just like a giant. There's a scene where they hug at the end, and you're like, God, he is like 180 pounds heavier than Al Pacino. Yeah. So I thought that was awesome. I also, I just like, the way they meet is hilarious. Goodman meets Frank one time. And in that meeting, Frank gets hammered and fights his Dex wife's husband. Yeah. And the next time Goodman's character sees Fray, he goes,

you want to come to my daughter's wedding? I know. You like weddings? Maybe you wanted to liven it up. Having gotten married recently, I'm just like... He's also like, do you want to dance with some bridesmaids? Right. Just doling out a wedding invite like that is hilarious.

But in general, sex with the possibility of murder is probably the most compelling thing you can watch. It's so electric. I think maybe you need to do it. You need sex. The most dangerous game. Sex Murder Month.

I feel like we've done a few of them now. I think it was just bad planning by me because we could have done body heat. We could have done this. Also, you want to talk about like a spinoff series or something they could revive? The undercover cop restaurant setup thing where they're like in the kitchen and they're serving the drinks. The waiter, like the, you know, Goodman's the waiter one day, but she knows the waiter the other day. That is the most electric setup. She's still at the bar, so she gets her feelings hurt.

That is a whole world you could build around. That is an amazing idea. I've never seen that. So scripted series, Craig's thinking. Yeah. Oh, I think it's a cool, like an undercover cop restaurant or something. Maybe there should be what the third season of the bear is about. There's an undercover cop in the kitchen.

I love it. Craig, did you think she was the killer? No. I don't know why. I thought it'd be too easy. They were setting you up to think it the whole time. Also, the most recent sex murder comedy we did was, so I married an axe murderer and she wasn't the killer. And so I was like, there's definitely, I was trying to figure out who it would be.

I didn't see Rooker coming, though. I can't believe we didn't mention that. We just did that, like, what, two months ago? And that was another one of like, the sex is great, but this person also might be a murderer. This movie also really builds the New York world really well. You get so familiar with it because the whole movie is basically just like these four locations that you just cycle between. It's like restaurant, police station, bar, apartment. And you're just kind of going around and around.

And you really get familiar and you feel like you kind of like know the world they're in. So I really liked it. That was great. Yeah, I hate to sound like the old guy, but New York in the late 80s, early 90s was just more simple. And I thought that movie reflected that. New York is like super complicated. They blew out a whole bunch of different regions of it. And it's just so big and vast.

but this was kind of the New York that I remember experiencing in a lot of ways. Anytime we went to go there and went out, and then it just kind of blew out. So, Bill, you just reminded me of what one of my hot takes was just internally, not that I was going to use, but you're reminding me now. It was just like, bring back crime in New York so we could get this New York back. You missed the old New York. Bring back the dystopia. Bring back this 40-second street.

But we got to let dystopia go for a little while longer, though, because we got to get working people living on the upper west side again. That's the thing is that Al Pacino and Ellen Bar could live up in the 80s on the West side. 85th and 88. Yeah. But that was the thing. All the movies that were set in the 70s and 80s, that was the New York I knew because they were only in like the same three locations. Now you have 40 locations. I mean, it's better now because it's way bigger. There's more a place to live. But just from like as a movie fan watching New York, there's a familiarity with all the locations that I'm just like, oh, I get this. Is there a, is there a in different places.

Is there a city right now, a 2023 city where you're like, oh, it's really peaking right now in movies? Like, this city is a great movie city. The 2023 version? No, because they do so much we're shooting it in Atlanta or New Orleans or Vancouver for whatever city. It's so nasty when they use a Canadian city as a standing for New York. It's just disgusting.

There's been some Boston that they've pulled off a couple times, but not steadily. Wise, did you know that they shot the interiors for Sea of Love in Toronto, which makes sense. because ain't no way. Those apartments are way too big. Yeah. The apartments are, yeah. I do not know that. Wow.

Yeah. Interesting. All right. We're going to have to send your dick to the lab, Chris. I know. Well, this has been Redfin Corner. Yeah. This podcast was produced by Craig Horlebeck.

Was, a pleasure to have you on The Rewatchables. CR, great to see you, even though we did this on Zoom, not in person. And we'll see you next week on the rewatchables.