The Rewatchables - ‘She’s the One’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Wesley Morris

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Three frustrated Irish Catholics head to Long Island and share a couple of beers while revisiting Ed Burns’s 1996 romantic comedy, ‘She’s the One,’ starring Ed Burns, Jennifer Aniston, Cameron Diaz, and Mike McGlone. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The rewatchable is brought to you by the Ringer podcast network where you can find the big picture with Sean Fentacy. Yes. That pod's still going. We're still doing it. Movies are happening. Yeah, a lot of movies. The Odyssey is coming, the Odyssey.

Yeah, seeing it soon. Odyssey's, is that going to be the sequel? Uh-huh. Oh, no. Yeah, but it's S-E-A-S. 3-S. And it's set in the high seas. O-2.

Two-A-2C. Too A-D-A-2C. Oh, like, too fast, too furious. I like it. Wesley Morris is here. We used to work with him a long time ago back on a website called Grantland that had podcasts and video and all kinds of things. And now you're at the New York Times and you have a podcast there called Cannonball.

And you write things. I do write things. I write things. What are you writing? Well, the reason that we're starting late is because I'm in the middle of trying to get published a potato salad essay. Oh. Well, we'll talk about that later. Right now we're going to talk about...

You don't want to talk about potatoes salad. Now, we're going to talk about the potato salad of mid-90s rom-coms. Oh. A movie very dear to My Heart and Sean's heart. Maybe not to Wesley's, but he's promised to be nice. I cannot wait to talk to you guys about this because... And then Craig's take at the end, this is going to be elite. She's the one is next.

The male POV rom-com. Almost a unicorn. We used to these during the female perspective. Apatatau was able to do it with knocked-up 40-year-old version, his whole universe had forgetting Sarah Marshall. We had high fidelity. We've Hitch, movie that might be on the rewatchables this month

for all we know. Interesting. 500 days of summer, crazy stupid love. Occasionally we have the rom-coms told through the lens of the men. Yeah. Something Ed Burns loved to do.

Ed Burns does it here and she's the one. His follow-up to Brothers McMullen, a very formative move. We'll let Sean start here because Sean's a Long Island kid. Sure. Who loved Ed Burns? Yeah, let's just do the... Let's do the Sean Ed Burns' comp.

Yeah, let's do it. Let's go. Let's just do it. Let's get it over with. Because I'm 13 years old when the Brothers McMullen arrives in theaters. And... After having been a thing at Sundance. Huge Sundance movie that was effectively pre-bought by Fox.

But still, a legendary story where Ed Burns, who's working as a... as a PA on Entertainment Tonight, hands a video cassette of a rough cut to Robert Redford, who's there promoting a movie. I don't know what movie it was. Big Shot Bob.

So Big Shot Bob, who, of course, founded and runs the Sundance Film Festival, takes the tape, hands it to one of his folks who works at the festival. That person watches the tape, calls Ed Burns and says to Ed Burns, are you the guy who handed Robert Redford the tape? And he says, yes.

And he says, is this your movie? And he says, yes. And he says, we're interested in you. your movie, but it said this was a rough cut. So what did you cut out? And Ed Burns, lying through his teeth, is like, well, I've finished the film, and here are the

scenes that I've cut out. He's done none of this. In fact, the movie is unfinished, and he needs more money to finish the movie. Oh, wow. So he lies to the guy from Sundance. The guy hears what he's going to cut out, and he says, great. Lo and behold, he makes a series of connections through people. He gets to

Tom Rothman at 20th Century Fox, who gives him 50 grand for a first look deal to get this movie made. The movie goes to Sundance, massive sensation of Sundance, wins the grand jury prize. This is all happening on Long Island and is becoming a thing on Long Island because this is becoming one of the quintessential Long Island movies when it gets released in 1995. So she's the one, and the lead up to it is a lot of anticipation for it. I'm just a teenager. I'm like kind of sort of getting into... You're aware of this. I'm aware of it because my parents are aware of it. My parents have gone to see this movie and movie theaters,

everybody in Long Island at their dinner tables who care about movies, obviously, are talking about it. But Ed Burns is the son of a cop, just like myself. He is from a family with multiple siblings, raised Irish Catholic, obsessed with Woody Allen, and constantly thinking about movies all day, every day. And all of his sideline jobs are to get closer to movies. Who can relate?

I mean, to me, this was incredible. Now, I don't know that I loved Ed Burns' movies through and through, but I felt like immediately connected to them based on the story. And it's a little bit like rooting for a sports team, where sometimes you have good seasons and sometimes you have down seasons. But the first two seasons of Ed Burns, these first two movies, I completely love. Well, you also saw Brothers Wickball when you were 13, which brings up the Bill Simmons there, Wesley.

The movie you loved when you were 13 becomes your favorite movie for life, at least one of them. Mine was 48 hours. It's critics. It's criticism proof. You can't, you can't, even you're, you don't have access

to your criticism brain watching a thing that means that much to you. Like, even if you applied it, it wouldn't, your heart wouldn't be in it. So what was your 13 movie?

13. I would say for me, it's like 11. Okay. Yeah, you don't, yeah, I guess. Broadcast, that, 1987,

1987, 1988, like that I was, that stretch, that, those years were like truly

the greatest years of my cultural life. And everything I saw, even the things I recognized as an 11 and 12 year old that were shitty.

Um, I didn't care. Mine was 80 to 80 too, obviously, because 80 was all the comedies and then, what was yours, Craig?

Well, when I was 13, Superbad came out. Oh, We've talked about this. Yeah. I mean, this is it.

You can't, I wish that I had been able, I wish I had been 13 when Superbad came. I was, I don't believe in too old, too young, whatever, but like,

I, I would have loved to have not had access to my brain watching Superbad. Or you could have had access to my son at like age eight when we let him watch Superbad, and he was like, this is the greatest night of my life. Well,

so I think that's like a big component of, of these movies for me, and I think you guys will relate to this, that there's something about watching men or women who are somewhere between 10 and 20 years older than you. Yeah. And thinking that's how adults are.

And that you almost like pattern your expectations of adulthood based on what you see in these movies. And you think, you don't base it on your parents, you don't base it on your parents' friends, you base it on characters who you find entertaining. And then you find... We talked about this when we talked about last days of disco. We're like kind of my...

whole thing is Chris Igamen characters from 1990s movies. Oh, sure. And, like, I don't know if I was intentionally doing that, but I fell in love with those characters the same way I'm kind of fascinated by these guys. These guys are a lot less likable to me. But they're really interesting because they're really close to a lot of people I was observing in my real life. They're just 20% more on time and entertaining.

I like that point of learning about relationships through movies and TV because, like, Sam and Diane's relationship in Cheers was like my first most important relationship. Good example. Just living through them and hoping they made it or not. And then the movie about last night with Rob Lo and Demi Moore was like, so this is what a relationship is like when you fall in love and you're moving together, but it might be too soon.

And that's just, how is I going to know? Yeah. I mean, for me, my version of that would have been Harry Met Sally. I would have been 13 when that movie came out. It was fun watching people talk about, watching adults talk about a thing that I hadn't, didn't understand, hadn't experienced yet,

but New was out there somewhere for me. I also think that what you're saying, Sean, about if you're going to become an artist, and it's so clear with Ed Burns, like what was going on with him. I'm going to call him Edward Burns throughout this conversation, by the way. I'm going to call him, Ed.

He's going to be Edward Burns for me. You get all three, by the way. Ed, Eddie, and Edward. Also, my father's named Edward, and he was an Ed, Eddie, and an Edward, depending on who was talking to him. Depending on who's... I'm going to be Edward Burns.

So I understand what you're saying about the things that you watch while you're figuring out what kind of human being to be and then what kind of artist to be. You learn a lot about... You're formed by the art that you watch. And it's so clear to me

because I had the same thing that happened to Edward Burns, which is like, I watched a bunch of Woody Allen movies and all I wanted to do watching them was get to New York. I wanted to find a therapist.

You know, I wanted to like explore I wanted to like be smart in front of other people. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Yes. There's so and the, I don't know. You can see that Edward Burns

clearly, clearly, clearly. I don't know. anything about this man's life but he must have been if he's anything like the characters that he plays in his movies especially the early ones he must have been lonely

you know he must have been if he acted like these guys little sensitive smart mildly neurotic what was he doing at his high school and who what was his

what was his high school or he knew that was the smart lane for him to have because my guess is he was probably a handsome guy in high school who didn't have a lot of lady problems. I think his looks have thrown people off the scent with him for many years. And you could argue that in the second half of his career it has kind of held him back in some ways from being able to transition into some of the movie director persona

that Wesley is describing. Because most guys who make movies like Edward Burns do not look like Edward Burns. They look more like that. Most guys, nobody. Right. I think I can just say that he is the most attractive American director we've had in, like... Since Robert Redford?

Well, what's funny is... Yes. He wants to be Woody Allen, but Woody Allen looked like Woody Allen. Yeah. You guys left that one key piece with the Ed Burns thing, which is where I come in, because I'm probably exactly the same age as Ed Burns of this movie. He's, like, hardcore Gen X. Yeah.

And the themes in his movies were kind of the themes that were around there, which is, like, Gen X, first generation whose parents, like, regularly got divorced. Fear of commitment. Drifting. We talked about this in other movies we've done, like singles and reality bites and what do I do now? Where am I going? Like this character, he's driving a cab. I love this observation. I love this. He had his heart broken by some girl.

Now he's rashly marrying this girl he meets who he's done for 24 hours. His brother's in a fucked up love triangle. His dad's, it's all about like dysfunctional relationships, which is kind of like the lifeblood of Gen X. This is what we had. Think about the two parental relationships in Brothers Macmillan and in this movie. In the first movie, the brothers Macmillan opens with a conversation between his mother and her son at the father's gravesite. Yeah.

And then we learn in that movie that the mother's gone back to Ireland to be reunited with her long-loss love. Yep. And then in this movie, the mother and father are still together, but we never see the mother. She's having an affair. Cheers. Yeah. Yeah. And John Mahoney's character, the father, is such a central primal figure in the movie.

I mean, he's arguably the most important character in the movie because of the way that he has kind of shaped and informed the sons who drive all the action in the movie. And you're right. Both of those relationships are broken relationships. And that totally informs everything that you're talking about. And then in real life, Ed Burns, he's dating Maxine Baines, who's in this movie, breaks up with her, dates Heather Graham when she's at the top of the roller coaster. That's right.

Wow. She was probably the number one catch of the... of whenever he dated her and then goes right from there to Christy Tirlington and lives happily ever after. You forgot about the two years with Lauren Holly, but we'll forgive. And Lauren Holly.

Another one. So he made movies with every person he fell in love with. Well, he was, the Maxine Baines thing was... That was before this. He didn't start making movies. She was like his sounding board

for the first two movies. That was his girlfriend in like 1990. Right. I don't know what... I don't know if they... I'm not saying that Lauren Holly and he fell in love on the set. Whatever happened,

he's made movies. movies with people he's fallen in love with. Heather Graham was sidewalks in New York. I'm not sure if they were together at that point. But yeah, Craig, when you listen to all of this, your generation doesn't have the same fear of commitment. It's kind of different. They have other fears.

Yeah, we have other fears. We have other things to worry about, I guess I would say. Y'all ain't fucking. We got buying a house. Not having no houses, no babies. Like, we're committed to our phones. And each other. and each other in some way.

And anxiety and social media. Roving gangs of... I have a house, a baby, a marriage. Think of all these things that I've gotten that have all these fears I've gotten over and you're stuck. That's right. Our anxiety is...

Craig got married. It's funny. I watched Reality Bites, which we've already done in this pod. And I watched only the last like 40 minutes of it. It was just on. I was like, you know what? I'm staying for the YouTube song

because this is just a really good YouTube. And then I really got into it. And Ethan Hawke, he sings that violent femme song. It's just fucking intense and it's really good. And he disappears. And then at the end, she's going to go get in a cab to go find him.

But he's in the street. And he just goes to this monologue. He's like, my father died. But that's not why I'm telling you this. And blah, blah, blah. And then I realized. You're going to make me cry. Then I realized what,

all I wanted was to be with you because I love you. And they hug. And then all of a sudden they're playing like Lisa Loeb. And I was like, this shit worked for years. That was on Turner Classic movies like three weeks ago. That's so crazy. I watched it. It's really good.

I, on the one hand, it's so 1999-4. Yeah. But on the other hand, like, I had never, first of all, there's a few things that you need to know about me. I would never in a million years have chosen Ethan Hawk. I would have chosen Ben Stiller and made a mistake. But that's kind of the point of that movie is in your 20s. you think Ethan Hawk is the one who should win and as you get older, you're like,

Ben Steller had some good points. But Ethan Hawke wins that movie because he is, it's a performance, right? It's unfair because he gets the final monologue and he looks like Ethan Hawk. So it's not, it's imbalanced. And he's perfect 1993, 94.

Looks like he hasn't showered in two weeks. Doesn't care if he ever has a job because he's too cool. Yeah. It's too cool to care about that. But the kissing in that movie, too. It's like real kissing. And a lot of, you just know the cigarette breath was just coming on both sides.

Well, the smoking. Doesn't, they're just fucking inhaling cigarettes in that movie. But no higher, so like, she's like in the next one. And they're not smoking like the parsley cinnamon cigarettes. No, these are fucking Marlboro Reds. Well, this movie, She's the One is also a smoking movie. So much smoking. So much smoking.

But the point is, like, to bring it back to She's the One, these, this was like, a really intense time. We didn't have the internet yet. Nobody kind of knew it was going to happen and we would just spend a lot of time reflecting, talking, getting fixated on things and this movie kind of fits into that where he gets

married in 24 hours. His brother's like, what the? You fucking married her? Like, I don't know, it seems conceived, but now it'd be like, do you hear Craig got married to some girl he met in a cab? He'd be like, what? Yeah. This would be like a Reddit thread. Yeah. I think this is also

it's a symptom of a time where I think commitment was expected to happen much earlier in people's lives. That is one thing that has materially changed. I don't think people who are younger now are afraid of getting married. I think they just know to take their time a little bit. Yeah.

And, you know, I got married in my 20s, but I was pretty unusual amongst my friends. And this is a movie where I don't even, how Mike McGlone's character is 25 in this movie? He's acting like he's 40 years old. Yeah, I would have been... Making half a million a year? Forty-five.

No. You're making half a million a year, aren't you? Yeah. I think he says he's 25 and that scene's father-in-law, right? So there's something about that too, and that's kind of the crisis of Winona Ryder's character in Reality Bites is like she has to choose between these two.

It's like whole... She just graduated. Like, what is she choosing? Right. I mean, but that is... It's such an interesting set of models, right? I mean, because the reality bites, the Gen X resistance is all about not being a boomer.

Right? like obeying. It's zagging at all times. Yes. I mean, I won't do what daddy tells me to do. I'm just not going to do. Well, that's our beloved kicking and screaming. It's another one like that.

These guys just trying to delay being adults. Yep. We're just going to stay in college, even though we don't go to college anymore and still go to the parties. Well, what's interesting to me about she's the one is there is a value system at work that is not, it is a Gen X movie on the one hand,

but it's also, to me, it feels transitional to like this moment, right? Like, every character in this movie, every man in this movie is basically right now they either stormed

the Capitol. Fox News is on all day. Yeah. And... Yeah, the dad's definitely watching Fox News. You know, Mike McClone is like operating a crypto, a crypto camp. Yeah, Mike Malone,

Mike McGillom might be going to jail at some point. Yeah, there's definitely some, like... He might have actually have, he might have been pardoned. Do you mean? He might have already received his pardon. Or he's in Wolf of Wall Street, the real-life version of it as it's happening. Right.

In 10 years. Yeah, I see the movie, like, so close to the bone because the attitudes of the guys in the movie are just so similar. So similar. I mean, it's eerily accurate to how people from Long Island act. And, like, the sort of, like, the performed masculinity that is very... hiding insecurity. Like, the Mike McGillan character is, which is like a big

forcical kind of broad comic character, but is also like eerie documentary about three generations of Irish American men on the island. It is so accurate. Ed Burns' character is the one where I'm like, who is this guy? That's the one that is a little bit... This is the thing that I find fascinating.

Yeah. Because that guy is like, he's kind of bohemian. He's kind of Gen X and like laid back. He should be living in Sover Lake. Yeah. to write a book. But he doesn't have any talents or skills. Yeah, true.

He doesn't want anything. Exactly. He doesn't want anything. And he doesn't, he knows what he doesn't want, which is a, to your point, Bill, supergen X, right? I know what I'm rejected, but I don't know what I'm in. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. And I, I have always found Edward Burns really fascinating because I think that what

the void is in this character is also true for the movies themselves and to me like great hang but but you're kind of wondering what what's underneath the last two hours doing well I mean I think he might be a mirrorer in some way

I don't I don't know like he doesn't his ambitions are not grand he doesn't want to be the greatest or the best. He just wants to work, right? To me, this is a wild way to think about a film career, but this is a guy who is essentially like, I build houses for a living. I love building houses. You know, somebody will live in this little house that I built. Maybe I'll build a big house. But like, I don't know how to do anything else. So this is what I do. And I'm going to do the same thing. What is he made? I count it. It's like 15. 15 movies. 15 movies. 15 movies.

still going. He's got a movie this year. It's some, it's the same movie. I like the family McMillan. I enjoyed it. His movies are perfectly pleasant. I watched it to talk to you guys. And it's interesting watching him evolve,

but only, only, it's not evolution, it's age, right? He's becoming more seasoned, but he hasn't changed, right? Yeah. This is a very, um, we've never,

I can't think of a director who's, had this similar... Henry Jaglam is a director that comes to mind. We're like, Henry Jaglam has a thing, right? He is making movies

about Beverly Hills people more or less, right? Yeah. Like, the lives of a particular class of Angelinos. The movies are kind of all the same movie. He gets fixated on actresses

and they become the star of the movie then you never see them again. There's not a lot of variation in tone. Sometimes the movies are funny, but most of the time they're embarrassing. But every once in a while, the clock will, the clock is right twice a day. And Edward Burns, to me, has become one of those people where, like, you can go in there and there'll be something there. And clearly the people who love working with him love working with him because he seems like a great person. Yeah.

Well, isn't the best way to capture that, the fact that a lot of the people are in this movies, these are like, the best versions of them. He has a way of getting really good performances. Like, we'll talk about Aniston and Diaz in this, but, I mean, we can talk about Diaz now. We're doing it later, but I just think Diaz... Let's save it for later. We'll save for later, but I think she's incredible.

What she's doing in this movie is almost like a what-if for her career. Nobody's ever asked her to do what she's doing. One other movie has. Any given Sunday. Oh, like the harshness. Yeah. The sharpness that she can bring. Yeah.

Because the thing with her is she can be there, something about Mary. She could be the dits in my breast friend's wedding. Or she could be this character. This is by far the most interesting version of her. Where she's like, I'm a fucking ice queen. I'm a killer. I mean, you're in trouble with that. Y'all know how I think.

That's a version of that too. That is an all-time performance. It goes with the European, the European bombshells. That is the best version of that that an American person. has done Cameron Diaz and the counselor. Y'all haven't seen it? Well, and then, McGlone. I had so much stock.

You can't believe how much stock I had. I looked at his IMDB, and it's like, this was really the peak, and I don't really understand what happened. I don't know why he wasn't on CSI for like 11 years. I don't. I mean, I have some takes about him in the categories. Yeah, Francis. Would you just watching this movie,

would you have expected him to at least have been on law and order for like nine years? We'll save my thoughts. Okay. Can't wait. I mean, obviously he just gets to do a tremendous amount of shit talking in the movie. And so as a teenager, when I saw the movie, I was like, there's something very attractive here. It's very Randall and Clerks. Yeah.

Some guy just gets to just have all the funny lines, even though he's kind of the buffoon of the movie. He still gets so many heaters. And you can feel Ed Burns' id going right into McGlone, which is really fun. And I really just wish they made more movies together. because he writes really well for him. The same way I always thought Kevin Smith wrote so well for Jason Lee. And Jason Lee is never better. Oh, that's in every Kevin Smith movie.

He's so great. Chris Eigman. Same thing. Chris Eagman in all the in that trilogy of Whitestone movies is so, so good. But, um, McLone, I mean, he obviously is best known now for his working commercials. That that, it's the, it's the Geico character, right? And documentary narration.

Oh my God, he's in the Geico ass. That's what he's been doing for the book. past 10 years. And he's done a lot of documentary narration stuff. He's got a great voice. He's a war narrator in the in the Geico commercials.

Oh my God. And so I'm sure he's got a very comfortable, cool life. And he was an interesting representative of like a certain kind of like post Gordon Gecko, stockbrokery, aspirational. It's like pre-wolf of Wall Street,

post-Michael Douglas. Guy, black, dark suit, slick back hair. There's a very like Irish American thing too in this movie where like, all these guys have great. great hair. They're all way too pale. You know, they're all like, they think they're fucking

the man. You know, deep down, they're really guilt riddle. Little dick energy. This whole movie is just totally. Little dick. The whole thing is like, Irish curse means Irish goodbye. Like that is the subtitle or the alternate title for the movie. Yeah, Cameron Diaz does the

orgasm thing. She's faked it. I'd have to fake with Papa. And then she holds up the three. It's like, oh. Yeah. Wait, can I just just say one quick Mike McLaughleone reading there's a moment

where he comes over I guess I'll just set this up Edward Mickey meets Heather she gets into his cab they they show up at the house

they used to be married he comes over to the house to get this television set that he left there you know old school you know not old school but like the last of those big big fat ones. Square tube TV.

Cathode ray, cathode tube TVs. Comes over to get it. She's trying to get with him. He's like, I'm not, what are we doing? Shame on you. I'm taking this,

this, not really that heavy TV. And I'm walking out of here. But he does, you do see him entertaining it. He thinks about it. Three seconds. But he,

you know, what's funny is, he is a good, actor, but there's something, there's like one more gear in the, in the watching a character try to work out whether or not to do something that's not happening here, that registers to me as a viewer of these people as, as indifference, right? He should be considering this, but I just don't think he is in the wrong world. He is trying to find some other place to be. I mean, Bill, maybe it is, maybe he should be here.

He should be in California. But, but, but I don't know, nothing interests him here. But what, how does this tie into McGlo? Anyway, so he takes the TV. The TV's living in his place. McGlone comes over one day because he knows, yeah, from Heather that the TV's gone. And he's worried this guy, and his brother came to take it. His girlfriend. You're right. Did you, I'm shot. Let me, let me do some, some like, not that low-key sleuthing to find out whether or not my brother fucked my mistress, but it's really his ex. Yeah.

And he's like, why would you even go back there for that TV? That's pathetic. And he's like, it's like your... Oh my God, I can't even read my own handwriting. It's like basically you can't afford a new TV and then he kind of trails

off and it's kind of like the way he trails off, it's like you can't afford a new TV and there's like a, you know, that he does even say or like a haunt. Like, there's so much hilarious regular guy judgment in that

not big a deal detail. Yeah. And the way that he does it is just, it's just chef's kiss and he's kind of dumbfound that he's kind of embarrassed for his brother, but he also doesn't really know why he's

fixated on this TV, except he just wants to know if his brother fuck his mistress. Yeah, he circles back to it later in the movie when they're having an argument. He's like, Mr. Loser, cab driver can't afford a new TV. It's this status symbol to him. And he's like, the only thing that really matters to me is money and being the cock of the walk. My brother, who doesn't really have the same ambitions that I do, even though he's older

than me, he's a loser. I'm better than him. It's important for me to be better than him. It is like you always do the Boston, you think you're better than me. Long Island has that. We have a little bit. We don't live in the city. You know, we're very provincial.

It's a very blue collar. like there's this constant desire to go up a level and to be better than people that is, and McLone is just very good at representing that energy. It's a shame that David Chase never tapped into him for a soprano season. There's just so much, he would have been fun. That's left on the table for him.

There's got to be a story there. There's got to be a story. I don't know, sometimes. Sometimes it doesn't happen. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. You mean he went to a bunch of auditions in the part went to like Vincent Donofrio? There's like a, there's a Charlie, Charlie Sheen versus him

I feel like it's a little closer than maybe if you really think about it. Oh, interesting. He just could have been in two and a half men for 10 years. Wow. Wow. Just being, I just don't understand why he wasn't. He's such a natural TV actor.

He is. Could you see him for 10 straight Thursdays? Well, it's funny that, I mean, I got fixated on what that TV was really doing, you know, as a metaphor. Like. Erection proxy? Well, no.

Just like the movie's ambitions. in some way. Do you know what I mean? Like the confusion of like how far down or in to go. Yeah. And it just really,

this movie, without the application of some critical and like emotional pressure from us, it kind of does kind of live on the surface. But it's,

I was saying as we were walking into Bill, like it's a great rewatchables for me, and I watched it 50 times on cable television growing up, because it is on the surface.

It's a movie of lines of dialogue that you remember, it's a series of, like, episodic sequences. The stakes are so low in this movie. I mean, what are really the stakes? She might go to Paris and not bring them. Oh, man. And he's got to figure out if he's getting divorced or not his brother.

A bunch of beautiful 20-somethings who, like, stuff's probably going to work out for no matter what. Like, it's a very low-octane movie, but it's very enjoyable. I did want to just say one thing about what you were describing about Burns as an actor. And maybe we can kind of think of some examples like this. When you want me to do my Ed Burns impression after you just, I used to do one too. So, Robert Redford is not a great actor, but

he is a great screen presence, and he figured out one thing, and I've thought about the select because we did a Hall of Fame last year. I watched every movie he's ever made. He understood that he was at his best when he was in pursuit of moral superiority. That he could kind of represent something decent about the world.

And all of his best movies are him operating in that mold. Edward Burns didn't really figure out what that thing is that he should represent to distract from his beauty. So when you're watching him, you're like, this guy doesn't have any problems. He's married to Christy Turlington.

What emotional crisis could really be happening that could be bringing him down to this place? And I feel this a little bit when I'm watching this movie. When I'm watching this movie, I'm like, let's get away from Ed Burns and Maxine Bonds. We've got to go back to Mike McClone and Jennifer Aniston. That's where the real heat, the weirdness is. When John Mahoney's spinning wisdom about what it's like to be a man in America,

I want to go back to that part. There's no, and I like Ed Burns on. screen, but that character is kind of nothing. He's bringing just like, just presence, but not psychology to the character. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's a weird thing because he invented the world. It's his movie. Yeah, I can see why you think that.

But, you know, I'm just trying to be in a movie. Just trying to do my thing. What's wrong with that? It's so funny because that is the thing that, especially, in this movie, more than the other ones, because I've seen, like, half of the Edward Burns collection. Maybe a little bit more than half.

And this... This is, like, you can feel him trying to channel Woody Allen here. Like, Woody Allen, the actor. Right? There are, like, what this guy, who...

Is he older... Is Mickey older than Francis? So he's 27? Yeah. Like... It's probably like 20. He's a 27-year-old man from his part of Long Island really talking about degenerates.

Do you know what I mean? Like, there's something about the, you know, the stuttering, the repetition, the stuttering that isn't really the way you're searching for a thought. It's just you're doing a bit. And I really love the imitation here because it's the last person you would think

would be interested in impersonating Woody Allen, which is kind of what's fascinating about Edward Burns as an actor to me. This is going to sound like a broad stroke, but here's the thing. With Woody Allen, it's neurosis. With Edward Burns, it's angst. And that is the difference between Jewish-American, Irish-American, at least where I come from.

The Irish-Americans are like a little angry about something. And in Edward Burns' performance, when he really comes alive, he's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Right. Like he's got a little bit of, there's a little bit of heat underneath. Woody Allen is never aggressive in that way in his performances. Because it's not a natural component to his character that he created on screen.

Yeah, he's, he's already up. Exactly. Ed Burns is like, even kill, even kill. And when he snaps, you really feel it because he's not supposed to snap. But I think everywhere else, this movie is literally knock somebody out in this movie. I mean, he's physical in a way that Woody Allen would never be. It is his brother. It is his brother.

And it's like such a. stage punch. But I I just, you know, the thing is... To your point, to your point, I feel like the thing, there are a few things underneath

this movie that, you know, we can, we can talk about. But the movie is kind of, it doesn't know how to be anything other than what it is. And so there is, there are these subtexts that the movie

wants to, thinks it's satisfied by making them textual. Like, Francis, the best, I mean, well, we can talk about this later when we get to the categories, but the Is Francis gay storyline is very compelling because he should just be gay. He should just be gay. I mean, he wears Cologne. Right.

I mean, the thing, the signifiers of gayness are absurd, except, I mean, Sean, you can speak to the cultural, there were cultural assumptions about like what makes a what makes a man a fag right yeah like and that was a that was a huge aspect of the way I grew up I mean as a person who was

who knew he was not wanting to have sex with Jennifer Aniston in 95 would certainly have been maybe a red flag except we know he's fucking Cameron Diaz I don't know why you can't do both but again this is the Catholic this to me is like where the Woody Allen

I think Burns... You don't want to cheat on your wife with your girlfriend? Well, I mean, it's interesting. Like, Madonna Horne never gets explored in Irish-American work, but that's a Catholic. That's a province of the Catholic condition, whether you're in Italy or here. But it is essentially what's happening here, right?

It's also like a mimic of what's in Brothers McMullen where the older brother in that movie is cheating on Connie Britton, and you're like, you have Connie Britton at home. Like, what are you doing? Who's the mistress in that movie? I forget the name of the actress. It's Ed Burns Flob because he's just surrounded by a beautiful woman at all times.

So this is just normal to him. But that kind of makes it interesting to me, right? Like, this is why I wish that Francis had just been gay. Because, but I also, I also do believe that there is a kind of curse. We've talked about this on this, like, in these conversations about these movies. there is a heterosexual curse, right? Like, we are being governed right now by a heterosexual curse.

These are all men who, like, given their druthers, would all be having sex with each other. But they are cursed to be... They're cursed to be attracted to women. And you've pierced the veil in an interesting way. But I just think... I'm not signing off on this take, but I admire it. I think that this movie

would have really benefited by taking... the risk of just having somebody be gay. Or bisexual or something that makes them more interesting than a regular human person.

The only hit that bisexuality is Leslie Mann's character. That's right. That's a missed opportunity to this movie. To me, that idea is actually broached in chasing Amy in an interesting way. Oh my God. These are two guys who are in love with each other.

It's more than brooch. That's the movie. So, and the kind of duality between the genders and their feelings towards each other and the way that those things collide or don't collide, I think is explored more interestingly in that movie. To me, this movie is much more male fantasy. Like, I think the whole movie all around is male fantasy. And Burns gives a lot of the anxiety to the other character and he doesn't take it on. But in this movie, look at the women that he casts in this movie. I mean, Jennifer Aniston, Cameron Diaz, Maxine Bonds, and Leslie Mann.

and Amanda Pete. And Amanda Pete. All of whom, I mean, they all are so beautiful in this movie. And they're so appealing in each slightly different registers for a certain kind of guy. They're all a different kind of hot. I have some material on this. Okay. I'll bet you do.

We just straight into your wheelhouse. This is the best looking collection of women ever in a movie. I wrote down, this is the 2012 OKC Thunder. of Ron Combs. We're wondering why it had to be broken up. Why'd you have to trade James Hardin? I also wrote down, I was around the age of everyone in the movie

and needed oxygen at the halfway point. I didn't even know who to be in love with the most. I mean, you have Aniston. She's after a season two of friends. Everyone in their 20s is in love with her from the first two seasons of friends. But then Cameron Diaz, who had already been in the mask and a couple other things,

in love with her too. Then they bring Amanda Pete and Leslie Mann out of nowhere. And Maxine Baines, who we'd already seen from Brothers MacMallan, it's just like, this is an embarrassment of riches. What we have known Amanda Pete and Leslie Mann from anything else? This is the first time we would have seen that way. Yeah, this was like pretty early for both of them. Because I didn't remember when I saw this originally.

We got to keep going on this, but we got to take one break. Aniston, her first movie, this one. She is the most scorching female star in the world at this point from the first two seasons of friends. From the first two seasons of friends. But no disrespect to Lepricon, please. That's really where she broke through. The horror film Lepricon.

Fair. Her first movie after her career took off. Film between season one and season two and everybody's getting her hair. Every guy is in love with her. We have no backstory with her other. With that whole cast, the only person we knew was Courtney Cox. and I wrote this down too single-handedly the reason I saw this movie in the theater

Wow Yeah true star power Yeah I probably would have gone anyway Because I didn't have a lot going on in 1996 Did Brothers McMullen get into your atmosphere? I saw it But I didn't have a lot going on in 1995 either But 96

It was like Oh my God Especially if you saw the ad It was like everybody looks great in this movie It burns, I'm going Great job but Byrne said I knew who she was, hadn't seen the show.

I rented I didn't rent. I bought Independent Ed, the book that he wrote about all of the movies he made, and then there was some good interviews. He could not figure out how to cast this role or the Cameron Diaz role. And Aniston came in and killed that role.

We could talk about the mechanics of having a sexually frustrated wife who looked like Aniston later. And then Cameron Diaz So I mentioned the Smoking Hot Calice Ice Queen bitch Which she tapped into

Rita Hayworth and Gilda Okay That's kind of what they're going for right Like those 1940s I should stay away from this person But I can't Burn said everyone else We auditioned did a real breathy

Maryland Monroe But she got it She knew the character Would be a little more vulnerable I don't know who's better in this movie So I'm going to ask you guys Between Anderson and Diaz? Yeah

In terms of performance? Yeah. Oh, well, Cam and Diaz. Yeah, Diaz by a mile, I think. I mean, Jennifer Aniston is sort of making the most of a not-quite-stock part, but because- But that's the case, though, because she's got nothing to work with, and I think it's a really good character. It is. Like, I like her relationship with her family.

Those scenes are nice. I agree. I would- But, again, it's meaningful. It's not nothing to me. that he goes through a lot of rigmarole to go get that television set and haul it back to his apartment

from her from Cameron Diaz's place. There's so many, like, there are things that are familiar to me from television relationships. Yeah. That, like, here, the thing that makes it a movie is you've got these relationships,

like, intercut with each other. I'll also say, I think the best parts of the performance that Burns is giving, thing is opposite Diaz, the scene that Wesley talked about when he goes up to the room and then near the end of the film, which is one of my favorite scenes in the movie, when the two of them are back together and they have an almost wordless scene. Right.

It's the last like 40 seconds, they're not talking and she physically like kind of moves closer to him. In that scene, I was like, ooh, this is like who Edward Burns could have been as a director. Like, this is so good. The camera is very gently moving. They're getting closer and closer. and then the camera's getting closer and closer to them. And then she reaches for something, right?

She reaches. You think she's reaching to him and she's getting him his coat. I love that scene. Burns is like, it looks like it's all happening. Like, in that sequence, you're like, oh, man, he's not, maybe he's not Woody Allen, but he's something different. I don't think he really ever gets back to that moment in his filmmaking career. But part of it is because she has such gravity as a screen presence.

And she's bringing out something good in everybody in this movie. She's just really a really good counterpoint. to honestly so many of the good male stars in the 90s and 2000s. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, when used properly, when properly cast, even when miscast, right?

Like, you think about gangs in New York, like, the time she's having makes that DiCaprio performance a lot more interesting to me than if they had cast the part right in some way. Yeah. We talked about this when we did. There's something about Mary.

I think she's become, like, legitimately underrated as an actress. Oh yeah. I've been saying this the whole time. She might be the most underrated one of, because remember we always were fascinated by Gwyneth Paltrow? Yeah. And how we thought she was,

this was a big when Wesley and I got to know each other and became friends. So it was like one of our passion points that we shared. Like, she fucking had it. She had it cooking for years and, you know, kind of let control of the steering wheel.

And Diaz, like, you look back at her career now. It's all kinds of movies and really, really fun characters. And she took some chances. and then she made movies like the holiday and, you know, something about Mary, like massive hits. I believe

when night and day came out, somebody when I was at the Globe, wanted to know if I wanted to write about Tom Cruise something. I was like, no. I want to write about Cameron Diaz. Because Cameron Diaz

is a way more interesting person for Tom Cruise to be hanging out with. Like, it just makes me makes all the sense in the world. And for as professional as Tom Cruise's, I would love to know so hard what it was like for him to work with a person who seems to just be making it up.

Yeah. Like, takes direction well, but just doesn't... I'm a huge vanilla sky defender, and I feel like she really has him on his back heels in that movie. And the scenes between the two of them, especially she's starting to lose it. That's another one.

In that movie. Another, I forgot about that one. She's so good in that movie. I just bought that on 4K to get ready for our Vanilla Sky rewatchables. I just think that's such an interesting movie. And honestly, like, picture another actress in her kind of age range in that part of Vanilla Sky. And it doesn't work nearly as well. Because her beauty and her intensity is what makes that stuff so good.

And that movie was like a reunion of that and it's supposed to be like a meet, cute adventure movie that doesn't totally work. It doesn't work. But she's working. Yeah. But this is what's interesting about her when you compare her to Meg Ryan, Julie Roberts, whoever, Sandra Bullock, where she could easily just be the rom-com lead who you're like, I love that person. I would want to spend my life, spend my life with her. But she could also be the fucking crazy. She could have been the girl in obsession, right?

She has that. Yes. She has. Oh, my God. Don't do that. She has this. Don't do that does, Bill. Don't.

Don't try to do that. She has this version in this movie. She could be like the goofy Charlie's Angels lady. But the thing about. Cameron Diaz, it is very important to say in the same way that you like very brilliantly nailed the

the thing that that burns, that separates Burns from from person like Redford and then Allen. Yeah. The thing about Cameron Diaz that could never allow her to be

Meg Ryan, Julia Roberts or Sandra Bullock is Cameron Diaz is down to fuck. Just pure sex appeal. Cameron Diaz understands what sex is, she likes using it.

The D stands for Diaz and DTF. I mean, I just think, like... She played a lot of characters who were like that. And it's not, I mean, but even, initially it didn't feel great because it felt like the movies didn't care that there was a person

attached to the body. Right. You know, I think the thing that made her charming and something about Mary was she somehow managed to transcend the objectification of the part. And the Farley's wrote something for her to surmount, right? But even in something like bad teacher, that's a great movie star movie.

And her stardom in that film in, like, Charlie's Angels, You know, a dozen other movies are completely predicated upon her prowess as an actor who understands how to play being sexy. You know who else has that? Kidman.

Yes. We're, like, you could have put Cameron Diaz and eyes wide shut and I don't know if it doesn't work. I don't know if it works with crew. She's not as refined as Kidman, which I think is part of that. We've never seen her try to do that.

something like that? You don't even have to go that far. So you disagree with me. Cameron Diaz doesn't have the one thing. The thing that makes Diaz more interesting in some way than Bullock, Ryan, and Roberts, all of whom I have either come to love or just love for birth. Or Reese Witherspoon's another one. Or Reese Witherspoon. The, like, she's, she's a cut different from them because of the sex.

What keeps her from being Kidman is she, not willing to go completely insane. She doesn't have the crazy... Or get completely naked. Well, maybe. What's like the craziest sex thing she's ever had? I think that...

Well, I mean, if you want to be explicit... The counselor when she fucks the car. Right. I mean... That's one of the craziest. But it's not... She had to get there, though. It's not basic instinct. Craig wasn't expected that answer.

The counselor, when she fucked the car. If Craig's like... I mean, she literally... She literally... octopus tentacles the car. I mean, what does that mean? I'm not going to explain to you. You just got to see it, Craig.

Go watch the film. You got to see it. It is one of the great performances. Is that an accurate description of what she does? Oh, 1,000% a little beautiful. But I think that it's one of those. She had to get there. Yeah.

I don't think that she had that performance in her when she was doing Charlie's Angel. She didn't understand it. To your point, though, about- I don't know that she didn't understand about her career and how we think about her career, which is really interesting. And this is kind of like, I think this is really the meeting. point of our interest in movies, exactly what we're doing right here. Yeah.

She spent 10 years making Charlie's Angels movies and sex farces. That was where she kind of threw. And the counselor isn't a sex farce, but it is too. But it is. But it is. And bad teacher and those movies. And then she retired. And she stopped making movies.

And she took basically seven or eight years completely off her movies. Now she's come back to do a couple of Netflix movies since then. But going away and not really pursuing this work in her early 50s, means that we don't think about her in the same way and then she kind of gets diminished. But her body of work, I totally agree with you, super interesting, pretty varied,

took a lot of chances. Better than Julia Roberts, I think. If you're going totality of it, this is like one of those when I go on basketball reference and I'm like, wow, Chris Paul made 13 NBA teams. I thought it was eight. Yeah, but interestingly,

I like where you're, I like this, I like this comparison, but it, Julia Roberts is still going to win for me. Well, because her pretty woman just beats everything. But also... Also, they went head-to-ed and my best friend's wedding. But Karen Deez doesn't have a Brockovich.

She doesn't have a, like, prestige, star part Oscar winner. Or Charlie Wilson's War? Well, she doesn't have that either. But Julia... You guys. Julia Roberts is... Coming out of 4K? I saw that.

Put you orders it now. I didn't order it. I show some restraint. A non-order. A non-order. Oh, my God. Well, let me, just like, Julia Roberts doesn't have,

Julia Roberts, the thing that makes her great is that she had a persona to, she'd have much more elastic and well-established persona, both to exploit and then subvert. Right? She was, she very brilliantly. She did sleep with the enemy and you got it.

It's like, oh, Julie's in danger in this one. Is she like just a straight, romantic comedy person? No, she's there. She's Mary Riley. She was, right. Well, she's hook. She was Mary Riley. Yeah.

And, you know, she was Tinkerbell in Hook. But, I mean, but that was sort of like the, that was a kind of misuse of the thing that made her great at the peak of her. Like Cameron is, Gangs of New York. It's just bombshell versus America's sweetheart. There are two different identities that film actresses get slotted into and how you subvert them both. It's more challenging for the bombshell to subvert because,

your appeal is predicated on your looks, not on your essence. And so I think Cameron Diaz actually has a harder job, even though Julia Roberts is a greater and more important star in the history of movies. Here's a good way to frame it. Which one would your wife be less likely to say, yeah, you can give her a ride home? I don't think my wife would let me drive either of these women home. Cameron Diaz would be the longer pause.

Meanwhile, Maxine Baines. Maxine Baines, it's tough. Is it Bonds or Baines? I always thought it was Bonds. Bonds? Maxine Bonds. I don't know. Harold Baines? Maxine Bonds?

She created the rare character that I can't describe it all. Oh, this is a great... Tells you all you need to know. I love this. I love this. I love this. I love this. I love this. Describe that Maxine Bonds character in one sentence. Like...

What do you mean? She's going to study at the sore bone. Study what? I don't know. Is she flady? Is she sarcastic? Is she... hard to like I just don't know what this character is and it's probably the biggest flaw of the movie

she gets I mean she isn't well we're talking about this as a male fantasy right I guess I it's what's unclear to me is what the fantasy is right because the real fantasy is my brother is my best friend right because there's

there's so many scenes where like they have the fight in his apartment Mick and Francis. They have the fight in his apartment where you know Francis breaks down

and says, you know, I feel terrible. You know, I feel like everything is closing in on me. This divorce has really wrecked me. And Mickey's like,

you know what your problem is? You're a terrible person. You're cheating on your wife. Yeah. That's what you should feel bad. You're living alive. The next scene, they're in the park.

They're like walking. Oh. what is it, Brooklyn Bridge or like the Brooklyn Promenade, the Brooklyn Heights Promenade, like they're together again. And they're having it, they're bonding some more. I mean,

so you can say what the fantasy is. I just think that one of the things. So you're saying it's a relationship move between the brothers and Maxine Bonds. A thousand percent. I just don't, I just don't know that it matters what any of these women are in somewhere. How do you think he describes me to the dad? Like, what's you like?

She's earnest. I mean, It's really just coming. The same is true for her performance in Brothers MacBowland. She's just not a good actress. And I think it's okay to say that. She has no real depth as an actress. And so she cannot provide character to what's written on the page,

which is the opposite of so many of the other actresses that are in this movie. And the problem is there's every, the four other actors in this movie, even the two that don't have a lot to do. Oh, four. Yeah, four. Are all lights out. Like, Leslie Mann's like, oh, this person's going to be a star. Amanda Pete, you're like, oh, this person has it.

So Maxine Bonds was in Brothers McMullen because she was dating Ed Burns at the time. She was the first person who read everything that he wrote. And he said during the making of that movie, the reason I cast her in that part as the girl who his character falls in love with is because I knew she would show up to work every time we were shooting.

I didn't have to worry about that. She was reliable? Yeah, which is like kind of a tough thing to hear a lot. That's what Craig said about Haifitz. He always shows up. I knew he'd host every part. He did. You're always there.

Danny H. And so, you know, that, you can look at her other work. She didn't do a lot of other notable work. She's just not a very gifted performer. And she's getting blown off the screen by a bunch of people who are red hot in their careers. I have a recasting couch that I'll just do now for this.

I think if Maxine Bonds and Leslie Man just switch roles, and Leslie Man is in the cap, it's a better movie. Well, Leslie Man is great. Because then she's just doing weird Leslie Man, the whole movie, and quirky. Yeah. You're just like, oh, I get it. But she just popped off the screen.

This is a quirky stay away, but I can't stay away. Yes. And now it makes a lot more. Her line readings in this movie are so good. You're like, this is a trained actor when you're watching her. Burns said that she was in one scene and he deliberately wrote two extra scenes that weren't in the script because he had to get her in. Wait, we have to get quickly to, this is the last piece of my rundown before we have the categories. Gen X, Indie Darling's.

Because Ed Burns is right smack dab in the middle of this. I have a page. the older class, the seniors in this high school are Tarantino and Soderberg and Linklater. And then I think the juniors and sophomores are Kevin Smith, Ed Burns, Rodriguez, Bomback, and Wes Anderson. I would throw Whitstilman in there.

Was he a senior or junior? He's a senior. He's a senior. Wes Anderson, did you say West Anderson? Yeah, I think he's a junior, but he stayed back a year. Soderberg? Soderberg's a senior. Yeah, and he was not.

when he graduated. Yeah, sex-wise and videotape is what launches this. It's also on this movie's mind, too. Totally. Right? Totally. But again, it doesn't have a fetish. Right?

It doesn't have a deep, dark secret. That's Ed Burns' is the secret sauce with him. I just want to be a good hang and some people who are conflicted about relationship stuff. And then 98 minutes later, we're all going to live happily. ever after and ride off on a boat. Yeah. It's a dinner party movie. You know, you go to a good dinner party and you're like, oh, we had like three or four really

interesting conversations. Yeah. And then you walk away and you're like, well, that was over. And it was just a nice night. I had a glass and a half of Pinoir. There's also some dinner parties where like, you're just like, this is boring? Did I say that? Oh, sure. Did I, did that just happen? Did you see the

invite? I mean, yes. I mean, but again, that movie somehow doesn't go far. enough. Yeah, maybe. I really like that movie. That movie is also a kind of in conversation of this movie, yeah. So that high school I mentioned

of Gen X, Indie Darling's really generation. I mean, John Singleton and Maddie Rich, I mean, there's like another, I just made a list of like, Nicole Hall of Center. There, Noah Bombach. Did you say Bombok?

He did. Okay. I'm just throwing some more names. Yeah, it's weird because Singleton, the first... Not indie. No, but the first movie... First movie was young and whatever,

but then he could make whatever movie he wanted after that. Right. I don't, no, Ed Burns, even for this, that they get a $3 million budget. You know, Bomback probably didn't have a big budget for the entire 90s. It's worth noting, too, I think, that to your point about the Sundance indie guys,

brothers, moulin, and this movie were distributed by Fox Searchlight, and Fox Searchlight, the first movie they ever distributed was Brothers MacLan. Fox Searchlight still exists. It was kind of the rise of the indie shingle under Major Studio, organization. And so Disney had already bought Miramax. And so every studio basically over time decides

we need a smaller branch inside of our building that looks for these kinds of movies and markets them because they can make a lot of money, you know, Paramount Vantage. Vantage. Yeah. You've got like all of these various things. Not all of them worked out. But searchlight is still around. Searchway is still putting out good movies. I actually, I was going to do this later, but this was an independent an ed, which I bought on Apple Books for like $6.99. Which was really interesting about, he makes this movie, Fox Searchlight,

they're like, you're our fucking guy. We love you. And they filmed the movie. His agents get involved. Oh, the agents. So they want to do the next movie. This is what he writes.

My agents decided to negotiate a Woody Allen type deal for me in the studio, a put deal, which basically stipulated that Fox Searchlight, would green light. Any script I wanted to make sight unseen, as long as the budget was under 15 million, starting with the next movie you make. 5-0?

15. 15, okay. I'm like... So he was like, are we sure we want to do this? Like, they've been really good to me. Why are we playing hardball? Agents says, no, no, you have the leverage now. Let's do it.

Says he has a tense phone call with Tom Rothman, who said, what happened? Didn't we do goodbye you? And a really uncomfortable lunch with the Fox Entertainment chairman, who said, Bill Mechanic, who said, why would you ask for this? I thought you were part of the family.

And he was like, look, it's my team. So Fox Search, like gets mad, kind of Barry, she's the one, and then doesn't bid on the third movie. And he has this whole thing in his book about it. Like, I didn't know any better. I just trusted these stupid agents I had. The lesson is always his agents are the fucking worst.

Like, just, you and I just had a conversation about agents before we started having this conversation. It's like, just be careful out there. Yeah. It's a tricky one. I think if Ed Burns' next couple of movies were better, he might not look back on this in quite the same way. That's a little bit of a harsh way of describing it.

Well, because the next one's no looking back, which did not do well with Lauren Holly. But in the moment, that was such an upsetting thing to Tom Rothman, and it was confusing. Yeah, but also, like, executives saying, like, you were a part of the family is also like... I get that part. Classic movie shit.

That's movie shit, yeah. So he said, she's... So what's the right thing to do? It's got to be somewhere in the middle. It's got to be like, you need to pay me more or give me a little bit more flexibility and I'll make my movie with you. Like that, and the agents should also know

that that's what the client wants. There's always a middle ground. But he was in his mid-20s. The move would have been to go out with Tom Rothman, blah, blah, blah. But he said, she's the one, still went on a gross 9.5 million was searchlights's biggest hit that year,

but the message was clear. I had blown it. Then the studio passed on his next movie, which was called Longtime. Nothing new. And so he got it back. he moves to LA, he does sidewalks in New York, and then

gets his mojo back in a real way. It's important to say that like between, like, among those three movies, he manages to play like a meaningful role. And that's what the agents told him. He's in Saved and Private Ryan and a couple others

because they're like, you're elite actor, like go this way. But he hasn't sort of... I like him in Saved and Private Ryan. Yeah, he's great. I think he's a supporting actor. I think he's doing an old school 1940s World War II.

And I think Spielberg knew that face. He's Robert Ryan. Yep. Yep. Our guy, Steve Spielberg. Yes. We all hung out with him in 2026. Good friend of all of us.

Can we say that, our guy? Our guy. Our guy, Stephen Spielberg, the greatest director of all time. You know who wasn't Ed Burns' guy? Roger Ebert. Two stars. Although this movie disappointed me. It did not disheart me about Edward Burns as an actor or filmmaker.

He knows how to move a scene. And he has a nice feel for the ground-level human touches that make his character real. She's the one plays like an overhaul of the Brothers MacBowen with a larger budget. And it's time for him to move on. This was how I felt when I saw it. It felt in the vicinity of Brothers MacBowen

in a way, like, kind of not new enough. You're right. It's like a little bit of a remake in some ways of the first movie. The difference is, the biggest difference to me is the characterization of McGlone. because McLone and McMullen is this really kind of tortured faithful Catholic young man

and in this movie he's Catholic and he believes in these things because of his religion but he's really kind of a shit heel of a guy. Yeah. And to me that the broadness of that character I think is really effective. Like I think he really is really entertaining in this movie. I know Craig's

going to say something negative against him and I'm going to get in front of that right now. Don't do it, Craig. I think actually it's something that Burns, like, missed out on going forward in his movies. His movies get, like, a little bit more sincere and serious. Yes. And they're not as funny

as the funniest stuff in this movie is. Yeah. Well, I think he started living a life, too. Mm-hmm. Right? I mean, I think that he was, he's always trying to find a way to keep the movies to have some cultural osmosis happening in them, but

we're taking, one more break. I'm going to go to the bathroom, because we'll mold. Then we're going to come back and do the categories. Wonderful. The categories. $3 million, $13 million

revenue from this movie, by the way. So this movie was successful. Categories, quickly, just some scenes, most rewatchable scene when we meet the Fighting Fitzpatrick's, where's your sister, all that stuff,

and then the brother comes out and that first scene, basically. That movie was supposed to be called the Fighting Fitzpatrick. I remember that. The cab ride, the Anniston and McGlone arguing about sex and Mick showing

up with the new bride. That's fun. Mick picking up Cameron Diaz and going to get his TV back would be my first legitimate rewatch. The first one I wrote down was Heather shows up in Mickey's cab. Yeah, this is when the movie goes up a level. You're the only English-speaking wet guy driving a cab in New York.

We're like, oh, so she's like a mean person. This is good. Let's go. She's on it. You know what, Heather? I gotta imagine it beats sucking dick for a living. Depends on whose dick it is. This is the best character of all time.

I mean, the one great thing about this character is in a different movie, she would have to atone for she would either deny that she did it. Right. No, she doesn't care. Or she'd have,

or the plot would force her into atonement. Is she the hero of this movie is a question you can ask? Right. It's like Sharon Stone has some basic instinct. I thought about Sheraton. These characters that are just like, I have no blood in my body,

so keep trying to cut me, there's nothing will come out. Nothing's coming out. I'm bloodless. I would say Heather shows a little more vulnerability than the psychotic serial murder, Catherine Trammell. Never, never known.

Never convicted. But if she started, if she showed up, if she showed up at Nikki's, at Nikki's front door, and she certainly could do that. If she just wound up in basic instinct, basic instincter.

I like how you caught him Nicky. Nicky, right? His name is Nick. Nick, but you caught him Nicky, which was her pet name for him. He went a whole other level of basic instinct. I would believe it. She'd know what to do. Heather, I think we see a couple of... Well, here's the thing with Heather. Heather loves Mickey. Now, she cheated on Mickey.

Yeah. But she would... She was engaged to Mickey. I think she likes Mickey the most. She likes Mickey the most. She'll love him. Maybe not. And she's obviously a very transactional. person because she marries a wealthy guy who treats her nicely and gives her orgasms.

But sounds like a great hang. Did she say, is he 60? I hope he's older than me. I don't know. Can I just say one of my favorite things? Because I haven't even done this. He's like 40 years old. This isn't the Floyd Gondoli, but it's in the realm, which is anytime Mike McClone

describes somebody as an animal, he doesn't like three times in this movie. He's an animal. And he says that about Papa. It's great. Another rewatchable McGlone arguing the concept of a down cycle. she's great we're sitting down cycle the Aniston Pete McGlone three people scene and Pete's

just can talk about her in a second Yeah, his tits are bigger than mine The second Mickey Heather scene That goes right into our guy, Frank Vincent Oh yeah Badgering Aniston about his sex life Were you excited to see Frank Vincent? Love Frank Vincent

Is it ever a time when it's like Oh no, Frank Vincent's here Is that where it said it's ever been said? But can I just say something about jeans. What world does Frank Vincent and Anita Gillette produced Jennifer Aniston?

You know, I thought about this too. I think she thought about it. I think she thought about it. Like, how do I make sense with these two great-parent directors? You mean, you think that Amanda Pete? Oh, yes. She could be the offspring of that couple. That I believe. That I believe. That I believe. Frank Vincent

throwing 106 miles an hour in this movie. He's really good. It's going to be a fun deal on waiters. We also have when Mick and Heather together the second time we get the maybe we made a mistake when it's just our hero just like, no man, don't fall for this.

This is going to go so badly. I would have fallen for it. Is Francis Gaye montage right into breaking up with Aniston? It's the Cologne part. We mentioned earlier. That's the number one. Mick finds out Fran is with Heather.

That's where we get the How do you like that? Mr. Luser Cab Driver who can't afford a TV. We get the boxing gloves. You are an ugly bitch. I pity you. You've said that to CR.

My absolute favorite line in the movie. Actually, my second favorite line in the movie. You are an ugly bitch. I pity you. Then he gets punched. The perfect elocution. And then the whole scene at the end that we talked about,

which is my pick. You don't love her because she's unlovable. Like a hooker? No, not like a hooker. She was a hooker. And then McGlone storms off. She's still in the apartment, by the way.

Probably this thing. I mean, but there's no evidence that she was, but also the performance is so, she holds on to so much that there's a world where she might have been listening. Why are you rooting for her in this movie? It's like rooting for the murderer in a true crime

documentary or something. Oh, I hope. If he just could stop at the post office, he could get out of this. But what does she do that's bad? She does nothing. She does nothing bad. She's intentionally, she gives the watch to Mike Mcglown. She's fucking with these guys.

This is now, she's like a cat just playing with two people. But I think that the movie, there are times when it feels like the movie really does not like women. Where it's like, it's a little rough on the female characters. And it is a very mid-90s thing. And then there's other times where you're like, he definitely affords Heather more agency, power, and happiness than this kind of character would ever usually get in a movie. Oh, a thousand percent.

So it's super complicated. She'd be dead at the end of a, by the end of a different movie. Right, usually that woman like that gets punished. Yeah. And she like gets to go marry some rich guy. Yeah, Papa. Which she wanted, right? Right.

She made the choice. She got what in the world of this movie, she wanted. But she still has two brothers who were assholes calling her a whore in her own house. Yeah, but look how. they wind up. Yeah. Yeah. My most rewatchable is that scene when they're sizing each other up silently for 30 seconds.

I just think that scene's awesome. Love it. What you have? Oh, the montage. I mean, the is he gay montage. Yeah. Which also has the best filmmaking.

I mean, you know, it's not like, it's like movie making 101. But there's just like a. Two shot. Two shot. Two shot matching.

Yeah. Of a camera panning across the screen and they got to get the lines out and enough time for the camera to get from one side of the screen to the other side of the screen to the other side of the screen. Are you... Ugly bitch, I pity you as your favorite or something else? I like that that unspoken scene

between Heather and Mickey, but the other one I love is after Franny goes back to try to reunite with Heather, and she tells him that she's engaged to Papa and that she gets in the car, and he closes the car, she closes the car door, and he says, thanks for the memories. You ruined my life! Yeah, yeah.

That is such a 90s, indie movie thing to do. That's in the trailer. Yeah. Right? Like, And I remember it from the trailer. I had that for the Ruffalo Hannah Rubenck Park Trichrop Acting Word. You ruined my life. He really goes for it.

No, motherfucker. What's the most 96th thing about this movie, Wesley? Oh, man. I gave you a couple options. Oh, the hair. The hair, for sure. I mean, also, was the haircut trademarked? Because you'll notice in the,

Jennifer Anderson's haircut, I should say. The... It's the... She did the Rachel haircut for, like, a year and a half. Because... second half of season one and then all season two. You'll notice it's not fully Rachel did this movie. It's like half of it is.

Like there's some clause in the contract that says you can't have a full Rachel. You can do a half of Rachel. So the hair is like flatter on one side than it is on the other. I don't know. It's just a thing you notice because it was that, it was that. She looks important, that haircut. Beautiful. She just looks, she's just 10 out of 10 in this movie.

She's also so relaxed. I have that as most. It was a 1999-6 thing in this movie. She just looks amazing. The TV that Ed Burns wants back, all-movie, the giant TV? I'd say yes. When you see TVs like that,

are you just like, what the fuck were they doing 30 years ago? Yes, but I remember that we used to have TVs like that, but it's not even the TV. It's like the concept of needing to go back to get the TV because the TV is so valuable. It's so 90s. Like now it's like obviously.

Just be grabbed and a plasma and everyone. Yeah, TVs are so cheap and you can just like toss them away. And like the fact of that was like, I gotta go back for the TV three years later. How much did it weigh? Like, he's really carrying it like... Yeah, those were heavy. He does a good job.

Heavy they really were. 30 pounds? Well, they probably took out them. He's holding that TV for like five minutes at something. I think it's a good hollowed out. Yeah. I also had somebody driving a cab, not an Uber. Stood out to me.

And then this is my favorite one. A femme fatale character named Heather. Hmm. We have no Heather's anymore. others are gone I have a related one which is that in this movie there are young people

who are named Connie Francis Mickey and Renee Renee is another one show me a single one of those people under the age of 20 right now Maybe a Francis

There's probably a Francis Maybe that's a family name Yeah But I mean those are And a Francis who's known as Franny Which I don't Is that like a Salingeresque Nod?

It could be But I think that the way that they deal with trying to feminize Franie and Mickey. Well, Frannie and Mickey, but definitely Fran.

Right? Like, they, Franny, Francis. I mean, I wrote down all they call him sister. They call him Nunn. They call him Princess Ditty. They call him Dorothy. He's upset that he wasn't the best man at the wedding. What man in the history of weddings is upset because

he wasn't the best man at the wedding? I mean, even if it's true that there's one or two, this is a feminization. This is one of my takes, which is that in this movie, he's looking at Woody Allen movies, but he's like, what if I made Tony Roberts the lead and Woody Allen, the sidekick? Yeah, yeah.

And, like, he's playing Tony Roberts and his brother is playing Woody Allen. Flood Gundalli butter on my ass, lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. What do you have, Sean? I have a really important thing. I love to see Irish Americans accurately portrayed on screen as guilt-riddled sanctimonious weirdos

who've been fucked up by their parents. It's just something I enjoy. something I relate to That's a good one I figured you might have that one I just think that like Is he gay It's just like

I just Even when it's not true I don't even need In this movie I need somebody Ed Burns is listening this right now Like what the fuck I was just making a movie about guys Trying to get laid

In their mid-20s What's this guy doing? I do think he knows what he's doing The Franny thing is very real Where it's like yeah I just think that the movie I would love to know how far they took

his sexuality before because the only reason he's straight in this movie and not anything else is because it's almost a plot device. It's the only way to connect Heather to the brothers. Do you think they should have done ending like Pacino shaving and cruising?

Mike McClone just staring in the marriage? It's so funny that you're saying that because I just feel like... Wesley's into it. It's like, yeah, I should think they should have. had some... Because this also movie came out

at a really great time for indie gay movies, right? This movie didn't need to be gay. I'm just saying that gayness

is on its mind, right? The perception of what kind of man you are if you do or don't do the following 25 things.

So what if... But you're miss... The mid-90s was, it was not in the forefront of how anyone was thinking. I remember

were seeing Chasing Amy in a theater on a date and not seeing the gay thing at all until she brought it up at the end and then being like, what the fuck's going on? Like literally being blindsided by it. Like a Shamaun plot twist. I just couldn't. I was like,

what happened in this movie? But now I watch them like, how did I miss this? There's an hour and a half of clues. But it's in the infrastructure of the work itself. You're right, but the problem with, from my experience, the problem with that idea, to literalize it, is he probably would be, if not cast out of his family,

they would not have the same dynamic. Because his father is such a small-minded person. He's like, borderline bigoted towards Maxine Bonds who might be from the islands. Oh my God, from the islands. But that's real shit, man. I mean, that's the most long island thing in this movie. That's her best scene in the movie

when he's like trying to find out where she's from. What's the exact line? It's like, yeah, she's from the island. And Edward Burns is like, Rhode Island. Yeah. I mean, that is foreign territory. But he also puts this movie on his back for about 20 minutes.

He's like, I got this. Clear out. Don't worry. Oh, yeah. But he does have that moment, though, when he's talking to Francis where he's like, it would be fine if you were. Yeah. It'd be fine if you were. And he has a moment where he's like, but I'm not.

Yeah. Right. But I'm not. Right. I don't know. I just have having had that conversation with people in my life about Mala. It just seems like, I don't know, I'm relating to this and a whole other. Also, I mean, can I just say, I've had sex with Francis.

Do you know what I mean? Like, I've had sex with the Francis. That guy. I've had sex with him. Compelling argument. Multiple times. Got it. Like, it's not, like, I'm not, like, grasping at straws.

I am also bringing my life experience to this bitch, too, boys. I'm just saying. To me, it was an Irish curse. But, um, this is a decent. counter argument. Yeah. I was thought it was an Irish curse. Yes.

My deep down fear is I can't satisfy this lady who is being satisfied by Papa. Yes. I'm not even... And my wife's in the bathroom with the vibrator. Also, the fear of the... The fear of sex in this movie is also... Well, that's very Irish Catholic. It's a really conservative movie in that sense, too.

All that stuff is very literally in Brothers, New Holland, there are conversations about the hang-ups about Irish Catholic guys and what... what they're supposed to, like, you know, McLaughlin in Brothers McMullen is like, you know, it's almost like if I masturbated as much as I wanted to, I would be banished to hell instantaneously. You know, like, that stuff is on Burns's mind big time. My Floyd Gondali is the gimmick of never seen the mom,

which is the advice some movies and TV shows use. I like that. It's just really good. We never see her. There's one time we had to, but we never know what she looks like anything, and it's, I don't know. I appreciate it.

I like it, too. What's age the best? we mentioned Diaz and Aniston McClona Burns his ballbusting brothers butting heads I wrote John Mahoney

exclamation point really enjoy that guy Yeah he's no longer with us He was great He was always great I've always wanted to ask you this Where was his say anything

Oscar nomination Like that was a crowded year And I go back 89 89 So that would have been It was actually You know

Aiello Denzel one. That was a year that Morgan Freeman should have been nominated, but it was so crazy that he didn't even make the cut. He wasn't driving Mastasy then. Anyway, Mahoney should have been Best Act.

How do you feel about Dan Ackroyd and driving Mastasy getting an Oscar nomination? He took about three people's Oscar nomination. Marlon Brando in a dry, white season? Oof. I mean, I'm sorry. Oh, my guy, Martin Lando in Crimes of Misdemeanors. Oh, yes.

Just watched it. Did you? Little rewatchable scouting. You know, that's one of my movies. Oh, I love it. That was the year when I really started to artsy fartsy with movies. That was one of my first ones where I was like, here's like 19. Woody's trying, in that scene, I'm just like talking out of my ass.

I watch that movie every two years, every three years I watch it. Because I'm just like, am I, am I? Is it? Is this not... My hottest take it... My hottest Woody Allen take is I think that's his best movie.

Oh, that's not a hot take at all. It's definitely in the conversation. It's almost... I mean, I'm not going to say inarguable. Pustis got Orbach. Well, it's so... Hey, what do we fucking killed her? What do you want?

She's gone. The problem's gone. The single reason it's so good is because it's both strains of Woody. It's very funny starring Woody Allen comedy. All of the Allen Alda is hilarious in that movie. and then the murder plot and the the psychology is is legitimately it's like all the good parts of interiors mapped onto a suspense given given hitchcock it's so it's comedy is tragedy plus time yeah when he shows in the documentary that is one of the funniest and Woody Allen's like dying laughing he's putting Mussolini in it I love that movie we got to do that one it is one of I'm putting I'm putting

the audience on crime. You've never seen it, right? No. That's part of my what's age, the best in the movie, is that at this time, I do think that New York needed an inheritor

of Woody Allen's throne, of his legacy. And like, there's a lot of people who picked up on it, Bomback, Spike Lee, like a lot of people that kind of, like, grabbed pieces of it.

But he's, he's going for, he's going for that crown. That's my mom's biggest critique of the rewatchables is that we haven't done a Woody Allen month. And I'm like,

well, not ruling it out, but there's some complications. If even crimes of misdemeanors, there's a little girl that he's hanging out with. Multiple scenes are you like. I think it's very doable because you're bringing the problems into the room. I think that's why I would have to be a...

Right. Like, finding a sponsor might be tough, but we'll work on it. The movies hold up. I watched Love and Death last night for a Diane Keaton episode that we're doing. I mean, the movies hold up. They just hold up. Can I just say, the thing about Edward Burns, though, as a person who loves Woody Allen, he does,

is he doesn't have a crimes and misdemeanor. meaner's in him. No. Because he's, yeah, he's a nice guy. He's, he's,

he's, I mean, seems like a good guy. Is, is Burns too, is Burns too nice? Is Burns too nice? Is he too good a person?

To, he's got a great life. But he's, he's made 15 films married to Chrissy Turlington, probably has a beautiful family. Does that, I mean,

okay, fine. We're just three schmucks talking about movies on a podcast. He's fucking living the life. He went to Ireland to make that golf movie, and I'm like, that seems like a good idea to me. Yeah, I was jealous that idea. Even in the Macmillan sequel,

like Tracy Ellis Ross is randomly in that movie for a few scenes. She's great. Yeah, she's great. And if he could just pull out like these great things out of just these random people, they pop into those movies. But again, I think in his, in his every five of his, there is something. You're challenging him.

There's maybe a big show for him down the road, like his 35th anniversary college movie. A couple of, more the Long Island dad having a rule no woman on the boat. That's my life lesson. Yeah. No woman on the boat.

Hey, it's just understood. I know a few people. In the 1990s, by the way, people would have said that and nobody would have questioned it. It's like, yeah, dad said no woman on the boat. All right. Brothers settling arguments with boxing gloves was my other one. Anything else?

What's age the best? I have a question. smoking. That's my next category. The Sean Penn, I brought my own pack award for excellence and on-screen smoking. Mike McClone.

I'll tell you, Pete is ripping some heaters, though. Pete, I have as well. Aniston, I gave her and Pete combined the Edie Falco and Copeland Award for character that got three times hotter when they were smoking. Pete's throwing off some vicious energy. I have a Pete section for later.

I've got a lot of movie pet peeves. Yeah. And I've never smoked a cigarette. I grew up in a house, the smokers. I know you guys. I just feel C.R. Like, Sierra's going to go through. I don't smoke. No.

Both my parents smoked until I was like 15. Sierra's going to come through the window right now, like the lady in obsession. Just come flying through. I've got a camera facing down on us. I call bullshit on 70% of smoking in movies. Oh, yeah. It's like teeth, toothbrushing. It's like nobody's ever done this before, but you're going to pretend for two hours that you know how.

Wesley, this is the secret passion of this. podcast, smoking scenes. You know, though, who's a great smoker. I don't know if she smokes in real life. Jennifer Aniston knows how to smoke a cigarette. She does? She does? She does? She did for a long time. What?

Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, she... Oh, wow. She's a fucking hot actress. Smoked cigarettes. What can't talk about? That's never happened. But I don't believe Amanda Pete is a smoker in this movie. I believe Jennifer Aniston has a smoker in this movie. I believe in everything Amanda Pete did this movie.

fine, fine, fine, but Jennifer Anderson's smoking in this movie is exquisite. You know why? It's patient and it's just part of what she's doing and she's not thinking about it. It's like an extra finger on her hand. But also she takes real drag.

She's not puffing. And interestingly, the only person not smoking is Edward Burns. Does he have a cigar at some point? I don't even think he has a cigar in this movie. I should have had Maxine Bond smoke because at least her character would have been doing something. Big Cohoon and Burger

Where Best Use of Food and Drink Just a lot of bottled beer In this movie Yes There's a Yeah Is that a long island thing? Is it a cooler

Long Island And bottles versus drafts What's going on? I think they're definitely communicating like This family drinks Budweiser They drink Budweiser Original

Like that is what they drink Yeah it's the first thing you see We drink Bigelob Ultra There's also a very prominent Coca Cola can Right in the middle of Mickey's apartment

That's like I'm America That might have an extra 50K K. to me where at the bar that Hope works at. Great bar, by the way. A man named Mickey Fitzpatrick drinks a canned Guinness. An Irish man named Mickey Fitzpatrick, it's a

Guinness out of a can. There's an even worse one. Yeah, you would do tap. I'm like, he's not doing that. When they're down on the shore with Jennifer Aniston's parents, Francis is drinking an ice house. And I'm like, in what, I mean, I guess that's what that family would have? I did notice that as well. A little weird. What is ice house? It did.

It's a low tier water. Well, related. Can I go back to the smoking for one second. What does it mean to smoke merits? That's the brand here. A lot of cigarette history for me in the 90s. What do merits say about you? Merits were like Marlboro lights, but they lasted a little longer, but same kind of

people felt like they were a little better for you than the Marlboro Reds or, you know, the hard camels. Basically, the hierarchy was Camelite, Marlboro Light, merits. And if you're bumming cigarettes off girls outside bars, merits or Marlboro Lights were probably the two that they were going to have. Okay.

Yeah. Because merit is very apparent in this movie. Yeah, merits were good ones. I had a merit stage. My dad smoked parliaments. My mom smoked Winstons. I remember thinking that that was a tough scene. Smaller box on the merits.

That was always good, fitting in jeans. Interesting. Not that I'd know. The Great Shot Order were most cinematic shot. That shot when the brothers are, it's like dusk, and they're walking with the water behind them. It's actually like very... The park shot.

Yeah, it's a very good shot. I like that one. I like that. I think also Maxine Bond's leaning forward in the cab and you're getting them in a two shot while he's driving. I was like, this is pretty clever. I don't know if I've seen this before. What do we have for the Sean Fantasy Award for Stelth Omage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm?

Sorry, I've got to find a good. A category that was immortalized during Stephen Spielberg's appearance. It really was. He was delighted. John Mahoney, Anita Gillette, and Robert Weil, all starred together in another New York romance called Moonstruck, which this movie is very clearly

a kind of continuation of, at least in terms of what it's interested in most, which is like... I love that. It's like all the Burns movies are about the impossibility and the inevitability of relationships. Like, they're all about that.

And Moonstruck is the same thing. It's a perfect... I mean, it's a much better movie than this movie, but I love that he's kind of like tipping his cap towards that. I think his love... I think the other thing that's sort of wonderful and frustrating about him as a filmmaker is he's so clearly ardent about the movies he loves

and has so shaped and shaped by... Yeah. So many of them. And, like, I didn't even think about that until you said it. I didn't make the connection among all those three... all three of those characters. I don't know. It's very touching.

Yeah. He loves New York movies. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness where Best Needle Drop, the Petty song right after McGlone and Aniston Meet Mickey's Bride. And I forgot to mention

Tom Petty at the top. Yeah. He's a huge part of this movie. We got so sidetracked in so many different ways that this Tom Petty part where Tom Petty apparently like Brothers Macballin,

Burns met with them, hey, you might give me a song and he had just done what did he do? Wildflowers. Yeah, this was like, had all, he was going to be a double album then it wasn't. He's like, I got all these songs. He's like, what about this one? It was great. What about this one? Great.

My wife, who loves this movie, one of the reasons I'm doing this because it's been on a lot in the house. It's hard like Tom Petty's the star of the movie. He just keeps popping in. He's in the middle of this incredible resurgence as a star. I mean, he was like a massive star on MTV at this time. And his music fits

the movie. Makes sense. It pops in at the right times. There's not enough of it though. I wish there were two more songs. There's some flavoring. You know what I mean? Like there's some, there's some petty song flavoring in the score. It's bookended by Walls, which is a great song. It's like one of his great 90s hits. But then it doesn't

use it as like score really. You know, it just is like interstitial music that gets you from one sequence to another. It fits into this 90s songs that were in like kicking and screaming had the Freddie Johnson song. I know I got a bad

Reputation. All these, like, kind of ending a guy, like, in a guitar, like, just angsty or, like, Petty. I love Friddy Johnson. I really, I haven't thought about that guy in 30 years. That was his big hit. Yeah. Didn't Petty not write the title song, though? Wasn't it the World Party guy who?

Yeah, who that has his own version. Carl Wallinger wrote? He wrote, she's the one. Oh, she's the one. Right, yeah, yeah. And so Petty is covering Carl Wallinger song. Oh, wow. And then that led to him doing the whole album?

That was my take that enraged, CR and Yasi more than anything anyone's ever said. About World Party? World Party. The replacements with worst PR. Yassi almost had a stroke. I love that. I'm not.

No, stop. Don't encourage him, please. Listen, bang, one of my favorite albums. I love Goodbye Jumbo. Great album. Great album. How about the Reality Bites song? I mean, great song.

When you come back to me, one of the best pop and a movie songs. I'm sorry. Yeah, just bad PR Way down now Way down now? Yeah, come on I mean I love Carl Wallinger Was there a better title for this movie?

I'm gonna say no I like she's the one Either Irish goodbye Irish goodbye Or Irish curse I love Irish goodbye Irish goodbye Craig's the king of titles

Those are both better I think But now in four Doesn't Lindsay Lohan have a movie called Irish Irish Wish Oh Irish Wish Which is not a thing What is that? It's a movie where she plays

a leprechaun. No. For real? No, she goes to Ireland. It's like a Christmas. I'm ashamed to admit I've seen it. It's a Christmas. My wife watched it.

Speaking of, I mean, the queen of Long Island, Lindsay Lohan, of course. You know, this is all connected. Irish Goodbye is a great title. She's from Long Island? Of course, yeah. She's a goddess to those of us who were

Oh my God, Mr. Burns. I like Irish Goodbye. Wesley, you have a flex category. Would you pick? Do you remember? No. Okay. Why don't you just keep moving?

What? No, you don't need it. I'm going to keep moving. Okay. The Butch's girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film is Mike McGlone not wanting to have sex with Jennifer Anderson in 1995. He could almost rename the Butch's girlfriend to I don't want to have sex with Jennifer Anderson in 1995. Yeah. Again.

Franny's Downcycle could also be a title for this movie. This is an actual quote. That's a very spanking the monkey, like 90s indie indie American. title. He says this about Jennifer Anderson in 1995. It's like you've been driving a 74 Buick your whole life. Then you find yourself behind the wheel

of a brand new Porsche. It's like, what are you talking about? To our face. Why did Jennifer Anderson want this part? I don't know. It's kind of weird. No, no, no, no, no. No. It's like, she would not have been,

like she wasn't, she's got a very complicated relationship to the movies, right? She was... She made a lot of bad ones. She quite miraculously never got market corrected. But she was constantly downstream

of Julia Roberts, who was still at her peak. And Sandra Bullock, who was getting the don't want to Julia Roberts. Yeah, but you're leaving her one thing. She was on the biggest show of the last 30 years. But she, but they all... It's really tough to break out from that. But she was so clearly being...

set up as the person who was going to continue but was Brangeline a good or bad for this I think it was It made her a bigger movie star but she just didn't make good movies I mean she just didn't make good movies She made like 20 bad movies The thing that happened was the movies kept changing

I think she was unlucky Right? Because if you watch some of the movies Taste matters man taste she didn't pick good parts in the beginning and she didn't really pick good parts The End she did have some hits Where the Miller's is solid Sure but that's way That's also later

Yeah and that's her playing awesome of her sex appeal. I mean, the mustard movie is what I always call it. It's just I honestly believe there was, I mean, Meg Ryan was still at her peak. Sandra Bullock, Julie Roberts, what was she gonna do? Reese Witherspoon took her.

And then Reese Witherspoon. I think Reese Wetherstone Marker corrected her as an actress. Probably, but Reese doesn't show up to like 99. I know, but that's when Anderson's start, like they're trying to push her as a star. That's true. She just got too many, she can't break through because the walls

before her are too formidable. It just makes sense that it didn't happen. The best movie she's ever been in his office space. Oh, well, and also, the movies are terrible, but those horrible bosses movies, she's great. Yeah, and those movies are huge hits. She became a big star eventually, like a big movie star. She did, you know, the breakup was a big hit.

Like, she did eventually become the thing that, like, you wrote about in the 90s. You were just like, when is this going to happen for her? I remember you writing about that? Yes, yes. Because she wasn't picking the right stuff, but she just, I don't know. Unlike our girl Cameron Diaz, who just made great choices for like 15 years.

Yeah, she tried stuff. Also, when Cameron Diaz missed, she was back 15 minutes later in something that hit. What's age the worst? We've hit most of this stuff, but there's this whole part where Maxine Bonds is trying to be jealous

because he went to the apartment and it's like, oh, my girlfriend's getting jealous. It's just bad. That doesn't work. It is bad. It doesn't work. And the whole thing with her going to France and she might come

and Leslie, man, are you in love with her? You're not in love with her? I thought I was going. Did you guys have a relationship? It's just, we needed like three more scenes. Again, it's like, to Sean's point, it's just not psychological enough. It just isn't,

you know, because sometimes those Woody Allen movies aren't very deep either. And yet he is, his influences are so much, have, like, they come with a psychological, psychological complexity. Yeah. Yeah, it's,

classical literature. It's Bergman and Fellini. But even when it's like these those throwaway movies like Melinda and Melinda, which comes after this movie. But like, I just think that his source materials

are so much richer that even when he has no idea why he's making a movie except he too likes to build houses, there's something there that's appealing one way or another. And this is his second movie,

to be fair to Edward Burns, it just isn't, it doesn't have enough of even an accidental subtext. And then what stage the worst? You could make a case the way, you know, it's from the male perspective. There's a misogynistic case you could go if you want to get excited. Well, the things Edward, the things that Mickey is saying to Heather in this movie, I get it. I don't even believe this guy believes those things.

I just think he's hurt and lashing out. Yeah. Trying to hurt her back. Because he's not like that to any other character in the movie. Even his brother, who he has a lot of problems with, you can see he has more affection for it. What do you have for a flex category? I'll tell you, hold on. You also can't underrate what it must feel like to feel cuckleded in that masculinity environment.

I don't know. I mean, to have everybody else know. It's an elegant segue to my flex category, which is the Dennis Peck relationship test. Yes. You were doing that too? Could Dennis have broken up the main relationship? Of course, Richard Gere from Internal Affairs could break up every single relationship in this movie.

I wrote down he would go four for four and hit for the cycle, Dennis Pack. These are facts. Hope, Renee, Heather, John Mahoney's wife. No question. Leslie, man, you just keep going. Don't let him in his room. Also, Richard Geard and Internal Affairs. Also, Fran.

Come on. Fran, too. He could have turned everybody. That would have been for sport. Yeah, he would have thrown that in. But it would have counted. Just to say he did it. Also, there are moments in this movie where, to me,

Edward Burns looks like Richard Gear. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's a... Dewey, squinty, pretty boy. Yeah, I mean, there is a gearness to him. Dennis Peck could have spent three seconds with the Aniston character and be like, hey, why don't we take a walk?

Yeah, done. Close deal. Did they ever work together? Gear and Jennifer Anderson? I don't think so. Richard Gere and Cameron Diaz. Hollywood. What were you doing?

What were you doing? Gere didn't make enough movies during that run of where he just should have been Dennis Peck and nine other movies. Yeah. Oh, God. Or that should have been just the TV show spin up, Dennis Peck. Dennis Peck. Each week, he breaks up somebody's marriage. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

How Does Take Award? I'll start. I think skanky smoking, hardcore, Long Island. and Amanda Pete is the hottest woman in this movie. She is throwing 138 miles an hour, which I don't think anyone has ever done before. Every single moment, she's just blowing everyone off the screen. It's unbelievable.

Sean, is this like you're all tight? Is this how I feel about Blake loudly in the town? She's throwing Ben Shelton serves is what you're saying here. Is this the ultimate Long Island girl ever? And she's obviously not even from Long Island, but what's going on here? I'm married to a Long Island girl there's a very special elixir

it's a dangerous elixir these girls fucked with a lot of my friends over the years but I mean one obviously I think I think the ringer writ large we kind of all got a crush on Amanda Pete

right Amanda Pete is kind of she's in a hundred percent approval territory I'm going to our 75th anniversary team I think she'll be but when she's talking like Denise who I went to high school with like using the exact voice that all the girls I went to high school with are using, it does kind of get

underneath your skin in an exciting way. Listen, I wish I could say I was immune to Amanda P., but I'm not. But I do love listening to men talk about her because you guys get really giddy.

She's just the best. It's different from all the other actors, Amanda. I mean, just listening to men talk about it. You know, even on your friends and neighbors now, like, she just doesn't give her. shit. She's up for whatever. That's what, and she's been that way

her whole career. She's just ready to roll. She's up for whatever you want to do. Straight talking, no bullshit, evidently intelligent, but not uptight or pretentious in any way. Even she did somebody's podcast recently and I saw the clips from that and it's like she's just even the best of this.

I would love to see that. I've never really experienced her much in the wild off of them. What's your number one Amanda Pete thing that jumps to mind when you think of Amanda Pete? Yeah, that's a good question. something's got to give? I don't know. Whole nine yards.

Good one. Whole nine yards. All nine yards. All nine yards. Because that's what like three years later? That's three years after this movie? Yeah. I mean, they really figured out.

I mean, this movie is responsible, I think. Launches a lot of ships. Right. Right. This movie's the 92 Dream Team. They should have made fucking cups. Oh my God, Bill. They should have made cups.

They should have made a cup. I would have wanted like a special collector's Connie Britton cup as well you know can we just honorarily add Connie Britton to this Burns just has exquisite The Burns Universe cups

Starbucks Starbucks in New York Heather Graham Burns taste in ladies is just super special Lauren Holly I mean The Ed Burns collector cups

He's like really tap Right into the cortex of my brain You know because what's funny about Lauren Holly is she He got he got her at her moment Yeah

I knew her from the soaps Lauren Holly was my girl from all my children shit. He made this movie about divorce people in their 50s that of course I saw because I supported marriage, right?

Yeah, yeah, I saw it. It's interesting, it's kind of bad but kind of good. Who's the... Exactly. But it's, I want to say, Gretchen Mall. Gretchen Mall is in it, yeah. And she plays like an ex-Indy rock star.

Gretchen Mall. Another one. Just like, we all know what happened, right? Yes. But the tragedy is every time you see her in something, you're like, God damn it. She did good stuff in the 2000s, too, when she got kind of free from some of that baggage.

Oh, gosh. And Julianna Marguerlees is well in that movie, too? Where he's like, actually, remember, she's really hot. Don't forget, she's hot too. Like, he just has a weird radar for this. The thing with Gretchen Amal, she was in the American Jigolo TV series with Bernthal that only me and Mallory watched were the only people in the States. I mean, again, like, I'll watch.

Gretchenol is great in that. All right, we'll keep going. unless you have a hottest take you want on leash. I have one. Okay. If Edward Burns hired a better co-writer, he'd be Noah Baumbach right now. Yeah, I don't even know how hot that is.

I think you're right. I agree. There was an opportunity for him to go right into that space. And he is a little held back by what I will describe as something that I find very relatable, which is like he's just a little normie. You know, the same way that I was like, you know what, I'm going to get married.

I'm looking forward to getting married. I'm looking forward to getting married. I'm looking forward to buying a house. Like there's something kind of bred into you on Long Island about a very comfortable, regular lifestyle. And he never gets too uncomfortable. Whereas Bomback, when he's at his best,

he's like, you know what? I'm going to show you the worst fucking side of every person I've ever met. That is super special. And if he could have tapped into that, he would have been a much bigger and more interesting.

So Ed Burns wouldn't have had a scene of somebody smearing their semen onto library books? No. The answer is no. Bill. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Do you think if we had introduced Joe Esther House to Ed Burns in like 1995?

But he saw those movies too. But he saw those movies too and he made a choice. He did. Right? Like, I mean, there was a world where if I really wanted to be a filmmaker, I'm probably, I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm definitely bringing more jagged edge into whatever it is than Woody Allen. That's why you love from Hellmont so much. I'm sorry we left you out of From Hellmont.

You don't live here. I didn't need to be part of that because I felt like that was one of the great ringer rewatchable months of my life. We got the rare text from Wesley on domestic disturbance. I know. Gentlemen, thank you. I am, that was great. I am a whole. I mean, I'm holding for what's the one of my cue that I haven't listened to yet.

Pacific Heights. Pacific Heights. I mean, terrible movie. Domestic disturbance, my texts were half, I can't believe you did that movie. And half, thank you for doing that movie. Which I think's summed it up. Casting with ifs. Burns said for the two lead female roles,

this was from his book, Independent Ed. Between Ellie and New York, we auditioned Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Lopez, Heather Graham, Amanda Pete, Anne Hatch, Lauren Hill,

and Jennifer Garner. Stop it. Lauren Hill? Lauren Hill. And Jennifer Garner. Wow. Basically everybody wanted to be in Ed Burns' second movie.

Well, that's what I'm saying about Anniston. That's what I'm saying about Anderson. Like everybody, he was a thing. He was a thing. Lauren Hill and

Jennifer Lopez just did my head in in this movie. Jennifer Lopez playing the Cameron Diaz character intriguing. Would it not have been

interesting. Intriguing. Right. No. Because I'd... Yeah. What a lot? And then the other thing

he said, Amanda Red for Renee's sister came in with her hair, tees, chewing gum, speaking with a thick, long island accent. I said, that girl's great.

She's the real deal. She's like the girls I grew up with. And the casting director said, That's all I put on. That's not her accent. She's from New York City. She graduated from Columbia.

And they're like, she's got it. But yeah, she just did it. Legend. Just trailing off thinking about her. And then for the theme song, they tried to get the Wallflower's 6th Avenue heartache. Oh, another bang. A fucking banger of the song before they went down the Petty Road.

But that, you could have put all the Wallflower songs in there. This movie works. Yeah. Strang on me. Everybody in the end. So then he has the old Tom Petty thing. And Ed Burns wrote, so he gets all of these songs from Tom Petty and he writes, This was as good a start as you can have in Hollywood.

I thought this was always how it was going to be. Oh. Fade to commercial. That's heartbreaking. He tells the story about getting pulled aside immediately after the Q&A at the first screening of the Brothers McMullen. And he said there were people lined up out the door of the theater all along the theater. And I guess maybe a friend or representation came over to him. they were just like, don't, you have to realize it will never be like this again,

that this is the absolute peak of this kind of experience. So cherish this moment in real time. And, you know, that was kind of true. I have a question. I said that to me during NBA countdown once. And was she right? No, I'm kidding. I have a question.

I mean, I guess this is like, I guess this might be unanswerable. This might be going the later. Is this for the movie? It's for the movie. But, I mean, it's not related. It's kind of in the zone of what we're talking about here. Like, I just wonder what his... Does he talk about saving private Ryan in...

Yeah, they talked about he's trying to establish he can also be a leading actor because they felt like that. Basically, but he's doing it because they're like, this will help your movies. Right. How are your profiles as an actor? But did he learn anything from spending all that time on the greatest American...

On the say, he did. He writes about that. Yeah, he did. Okay. Because I just would love to know more about that. Best That Guy Award? it honestly might be Mike McClone. I think most people know him just as the guy from these movies and might not even know what his name is.

I have two people. The chauffeur. Robert Weil, well, I'll get to him in a second. Robert Weil, who is Mr. Deluca, the hardware store owner. Because he's in Moonstruck, Saturday Night Fever. And then Malachi McCourt, the chauffeur. Oh, sure. Who is in Brewster's Millions.

He is Frank McCourt, and the Angel is Ash's author's brother. And the McCord brothers are, you know, a very famous group of guys, you know, storytellers. They all wrote memoirs. They were kind of fixtures in New York City for a long period of time. Deion Waiters, we have Frank Vincent, Leslie Mayn, or Amanda Pete? I have Frank Vincent and Amanda Pete. What do you have, Craig?

I think it's Pete. I think it's Pete. I think it's Pete. Great. I mean, but I just will pour one out for Frank Vincent because he just is so, like, he's never been asked to not kill somebody or not threatened to kill somebody and yet that energy, he's bringing that energy

to this part and it's all aimed at whether Francis has what it takes to be with his little girl. The part of the second scene that he's in where he's like, this down cycle nonsense, I've been with your mother for 35 years, never had a down cycle in my life. Every morning, the daughter's like, no.

Great stuff. Recasting couch director of City. I mentioned how Leslie Mann switch roles of Maxine were probably better up. What if I gave you the mother of Jennifer Anderson and Man of Pete in this movie, Susan Sarandon, just for kicks and giggles? Oh, no. This like, then you're tipping it over into like, it's too much. Because the movie came out the year after she won the Oscar. Like, you're just completely changing.

How about Kathleen Turner? Oh. This is after. I'm just trying to come up with actress. This is after, um, this is after, um, Serial mom. How about a little Diane Keaton? Oh, great movie. That's Marvin's room era, Diane Keaton?

Too much. A little too waspy, I think. I was just trying to think of somebody who would be a name. But none of that. How about Talley Shire? No. Whoa. Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. Now I've caught your attention. Yeah. Yeah. This is... Talley Shire, as as Jennifer Einstein and Amanda Pete's mom, I'm kind of, I'm kind of into that. That's interesting. Because you don't, like, the thing that's great about this movie is

nobody is too big at this point to tip the movie over. That was a very Bill Simmons poll. How about Tassman's How about Talia Shire? I was just going to keep throwing out of actions. Yeah, that's good. She could have been really mad at the end

because the dad killed Mike McGlone. I know you did this. Oh, Craig, you have a flex but you already did it? It was Peck. It was Peck just cleaning up on all the beta males in this movie.

Half S in your research, we did all of it. Apex Mountain. Eddie Burns. Ed Burns, yes. Oh, yeah. Maxine Bonds, Baines, yes. Yeah.

Amanda Pete, no. Mike McGlone, yes. Yes. Cameron Diaz, no. No. John Mahoney, no. Although, he's on Frazier in this era. He's kind of at his...

It's already happened. He's at his... Yeah, it's already happened. Is 96 also primal fear? Season primal fear he plays? Yep. Yep. Maybe it was as apex. Yeah.

Long Island, just in general. Is this Apex? Mount for Long Island. Yeah, what is the Apex Mountain for Long Island, Sean? I would have to say... Not when Colin Joe's bought the fucking ferry. Like 80, 81, 82, when the Islanders go for three in a row. And the Islanders win the trio of Stanley Cups.

Oh, interesting. Four Stanley Cups, excuse me. Right, that time? Right after Amityville Horror? That's a little bit after that. Yeah. The Lutzh. Amidavis not...

Aminuahua Horror comes out in 79, then the Islanders go on and run. It's pretty good time. is not related to Apex Mountain, though. That's a bad thing that happened. Like, that's not... That's the only reason I ever wanted to go to Long Island. I mean, Nancy Myers, something's got to give.

Is that something's got to give or is it... No. Yeah, something's got to give. No, it's the... Isn't the Merrill Street one? Merrill Street. It's complicated. Isn't that Long Island?

Am I crazy? Something's got to give is Long Island. No, no, you're right. You're right. I think something's got to give. If we don't know, the answer is no. Something's got to give us the Hamptons. It's complicated as Santa Barbara.

Right. So here's the thing. The Hamptons is not Long Island. Like, the Hamptons is on Long Island, but that's not a Long Island movie. You know what I mean? It's culturally different. So Long Island, not claiming the White Party with Michael Rubin? No.

And, like, the Fitzgerald family in this movie doesn't go to the Hamptons. They go to Montauk. Right. There's a big difference. They can't afford to go to the Hamptons. These are blue-collar people. I was so confused by this whole part of New York that one time on the Internet's, I went on and I looked at a map to try to really figure out where everything was.

because I was just it's like Long Island's here Brooklyn's here but Long Island's not part of the Hamptons I'm like what I never knew Once a month I landed in New York and people are like Go that way and this and I just

I had to figure it out of my head Where everything was Yeah Brooklyn is part of the contiguous island But it's not a part of the What's Deloieted as Long Island The Hamptons is officially part of Long Island in Suffolk County but nobody would ever consider it that

It's its own thing It's its own thing Plus we haven't even talk north shore South Shore which, you know, you could read that in F. Scott Fitzgerald. You can also read it in Nelson DeMille novels in my dad's house. Like, there's a whole, it's a subculture. It's like the Hantons with, is like Brentwood here.

Right. It's here, but it's fucking over there. Yeah, it's not really. It's for the elite. Yeah. In my apartment, yeah. Brentwood's way down there. Okay, a couple more categories, and then we'll go. The Ed Norton Reversedunk Award for Did This.

movie need a random sports scene. I can't believe there's no trip to a Knicks game or... Can I after you... You know what I mean? Can I after you an Islander's game? Can I offer you a par three

nine hole? Something. Something. Can I offer you a pick up basketball game where they're on different teams. Where does this family play? I'll bet you they shot one of these. He's from Valley Stream.

Right? So I'm trying to think of what golf course... I mean, would he play at the Dick's Hill's public golf course? I mean, yeah, I guess. But Beth Page is like, that's a once-a-year. I like golf. And they wouldn't be that good at it? We got a string for it for the Munich course bus.

It's really hard. These guys probably suck at golf. Okay, yeah, I mean, I just wouldn't. They definitely are not good at golf. They're not good. They're like playing it. Get there. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, a lot of those. What's wrong with me? All right. A couple more. Cruiser, Hanks. It's both of them, obviously. It's Hank's. Hank's is Mickey and Tom is friendly.

Oh, God. Yeah. I had Cruz as 1990s. Their brothers. I had Cruz as Mike McGlone. Yeah. No doubt.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can you... Just being agonized. I'm torn, though. Did Edward Burns need to be the star of his movies? This is another interesting question. I like Ed Burns.

I just thought he should have... He needed a writer for the Ed Burns scenes to come in, like a... He needed William Goldman to come in and just rewrite. This is a great question. But if he decides, what I'm going to do is I'm going to write... parts for movie stars. Instead of I'm going to make Woody Allen movies, where it's like kind of my world of people that I star in.

Are things different? If he could have kept getting... If he could have kept pulling what he pulled here, right? And, you know, the way everybody wanted to work with Woody Allen, or if he had a Diane Weist or a Judy Davis, somebody who could come in on any movie he needs them to come in on and just dunk-dun-dun-dunk-dunk-dunk. Or a being Pharaoh.

Or Mia Farrow. For a while, anyway. She's in crimes and misdemeanors. I mean, and also just like under, everything about Mia Farrow as an actor has become to me underrated. And I think that the way she functions in a lot of the Woody Allen movies

is especially underappreciated. Next category is the Catherine Tramow, would you throw your life away for this obvious stayaway word? I just wrote yes, and then I put in in parentheses, fill in whatever character. I think four of them.

Aniston is not a stayaway. She seems like a really down-to-earth, cool girl in the movie. Her character. Her character's not weird. She has a vibrator, I guess. But the others, you know. You're getting Frank Vincent with her, though. Good point.

You go straight to the follow-up. But you also would be getting a year to let. So would you balance each other out? Cameron Diaz, would you just throw your left for it? Also, can I just raise an interesting question here? I think the more interesting movie here would have been if Mike McLaughone was sleeping with Amanda Pee. Why is it not sleeping with Amanda Pee?

That should have been the last 20 minutes. That's the missing scene in this movie. I had that in unanswerable questions. When did he start fucking Amanda Pete? And it's probably the sequel of this movie. Well, that's when he gets murdered by Frank Vincent. Yeah. And that would be the end of that.

And Frank kills him. Then it's a from hell movie, right? Then it's like, it's the father. He would have been almost as bad as. Almost as bad as when Vito came out of the closet. In season 5, a soprano, season 6, whatever. Yeah. Oh, Vito, Vito.

Poor Vito. What was his name? Johnny Cakes. Johnny Cakes. Vito and Johnny Cakes. Made a hell of a pancake. Man, almost time for a Sopranos rewatch. Can't wait.

Picky Knits. The greatest thing we've produced. Picky Knits. A drifter cab driver just got married in 24 hours, but now he's drawing the line and maybe moving to Paris with his new bride. I think this is another important thing to say about what what Edward Burns just doesn't have an interest in doing, right? That question slash sentence is like that movie, whatever that movie is not this movie, right? That movie sounds weird and dangerous and cute, I mean, but not cute at all.

It sounds like something freaky could happen. Yeah. This is not, the exploration of the relationships here do not have a capacity for like very human things like darkness, fetish, you know, real sexual risk. Well, it's like you were saying it's like just like some of the other stuff, it's a device. Like him getting married in 24 hours to a girl that he doesn't know is just a way to get his character to a different place and to draw all this other. Because he just seems least interested in that relationship, the dynamics of it, the threat of what it is or is not to other people. He definitely got bored of her about eight states in and was like, fuck.

I wish we had gotten married. Yeah. Why didn't Cameron Diaz's character have better choices than an old sugar daddy and a married Long Island goon? I need to see the sugar daddy, though. There wasn't one more guy. She could have met at a bar or be like, hey, how about this guy? We need to see the guy.

How did the creepy hardware store guy steal John Mahoney's wife? Great question. I think he's very loving and affectionate and shows her the attention that she needs at this time in her life. That, to me, is my favorite detail in this movie. And it's proof that he is a good writer. It's nice and specific.

It's just like the great story that he tells in Brothers McMullen about how his mother goes back to Ireland to be with her beloved. That's a great moment in McMullen, too. He does have this kind of Irish storyteller. It's almost like he's better at writing about older people than the people that are his age.

I also think that the mother thing is kind of the unexplored dimension in his work somehow. And I don't know if it's like that work is being worked out through the way these characters are being deployed is really about the mother relationship. I don't know. He does tell a story about getting to introduce his mom to Robert Redford and that being a real thrill when he's got McMullen at Sundance.

Heather just married Papa in the morning out of nowhere. So yeah, I got married this morning. We don't know she really did it. Oh. we don't know she really did it. Interesting. I mean, she's done so many other underhanded sneaky things. Good point.

We don't know she really did it. Any other nitpicks? No, there is that, there's a paragraph in Ebert's Review that features like five consecutive plot logic character motivation questions that is just like, he just kind of takes the movie down fully with that one graph, even though I find this movie incredibly enjoyable.

It's not, it doesn't really hold up to investigation. What does he ask? And then... The one of the ones, that Bill just asked. This guy who's a cab driver, met this girl 24 hours later. You know, that whole thing is just,

it's so undeveloped. Not to mention driving, she's going to fly. She has a plane ticket. She's like, I'd much rather drive with you from New York to, where was it, New Orleans?

It's a long fucking flight. That's like 15 hours. How does Mickey afford that apartment, you know, like, what are these guys' lives? Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, L, Blackcast, are untouchable.

This is an Apple TV show in 2006. Oh, yeah. I don't think there's any question. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the floor, is St. Low, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols. Ted Levine or someone else. I have Sean Fantasy is the third Fitzpatrick

brother here. It's 13-year-old Sean. Yeah, looking up to these idiot, older brothers. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. Learning all the wrong. Having a little brother, having an even littler brother here, I was wishing for some

for there to be some... Shani, go start up the boat. Hold on, Dad, I'm finishing this Woody-O-O-O-M-E-O-M-Evoo. Where were the Lucas Hedges of like 1996? I would have been good. He could have, like, flirted with Amanda Pete. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I just feel like there is a character. You make a run in Amanda Pete, no question. Yes, he would have. You think it better than be a man to Pete? Yeah, somehow there's a character missing here. Yeah, that's interesting. You could have made it. I'm going to clock that, thank you.

Just want to ask her who gets it, Cameron Diaz? I wrote down Mike McGlone. I don't even care. I absolutely love Frannie. I can't disagree with anything Wesley's saying. I'm not saying he's the best actor of all time. He's doing... He's in a Preston Sturgis movie.

He's doing a big comic broad performance. And it's funny. I think he's really funny. No, I mean, I think he also more than... I mean, I think the thing that I love about Mike McLeon and Edward Burns is like they really are in a way we will never probably have again, these real archetypal continuations of the beginning of the movies,

or at least Hollywood movies. Like, they belong in the 30s. They belong in the 40s. And I don't know, I mean, I don't know what Edward Burns knows about himself. But I think the thing he's trying to avoid is being pigeonholed as a person responsible for, like, visually

being on that continuum, right? Like performing that. But it's very satisfying to experience McLone as a person who really knows that there is like a hundred movies he could have been in

if he was born in 1919 instead of, you know, 1970 or whatever. Zawant. Oh, yeah. Zawatine Award would happen the next day. I don't think Ed Burns and Maxine Bond stay together in real life or in this movie.

Hope and Mickey breakup is what I wrote down. Probably in answerable questions. I only wrote down one. Was Ed Burns a good actor? Yes. In this movie or... Was Ed Burns a good actor? I think he is a good screen presence.

I think you like watching him. I think he's a little hard to root for because he doesn't let himself be flawed enough or weird enough. You know? I think he needed the pressure. I would say, you know, I lost, I had a, oh, I wrote it down. The last movie, he, he's only acted for himself since 2012. He has not been in anybody else's movies. I've been directed by anyone.

Right. So, I think that in the way that you wonder what things would have been like, had he worked with another, if his co-writer had been, did you say Noah Bombach? No, I said he could have been in that Noah Bombach. If he had the right co-writer. I think it'd be interesting if he were interested in, if acting were a thing that were important to him, and I don't know that it is or isn't,

but he clearly doesn't do it as often as he's doing, directing himself. But what if he just kept working? What if, like, once a year, he just made a movie with one of the great directors? Well, he's in the holiday, right? Yes. And he's playing, and he's playing, like, kind of a dirtbag in the holiday,

And it's like Nancy Minor sees him and she sees a guy who's making all the mistakes. He lets her, like, control him. Yes. And like, he doesn't do that to himself in his movies. He's always a little bit more genteel. I think the answer is yes.

It's a little unanswerable though because we've never seen him test himself. It wasn't like he's like, I'm making this movie. It's talented Mr. Ripley. I'm going to play Tom Ripley. No, he doesn't do that. Yeah, like he just,

there's a level he couldn't have gone to. But what if he did want that? I don't know. What did you have for an answer to? He's such a fascinating person. Did you have one? Did Ed Burns blow it by failing to stick with McClone? And then does this movie love or hate women?

Is something that I think is like an open question. It's got a very uneasy relationship with one. Uneasy. I think that's just the mid-90s. But how old is he in this movie? 27, 28 range, yeah. I mean, so he's just really become developmentally an adult. I think that there is, I mean, it's important to me.

Like what, like how old are the people, making my art when they're making it. Because it matters, because it means you are primed to see the world a particular way. It's true, but it's a movie that's called She's the One, but it doesn't answer the question of who is the one. The one

what, though? The one what? So he's 27 when he made the movie 28 when it was released. Right. We don't know what... If we assume that it's the romantic one, the final one, and the movie ends with him and his wife on a boat together who is his real-life girlfriend, and they break

up within a year of this movie being made, it kind of undercuts a lot of the ideas in the movie, too. The actual story is not as exciting. He just really liked the Bruce Springsteak song. I thought it would be a good title. Right. Do you think it's...

The Fighting Fitzgeralds is better? Yes. I don't mind she's the one, but Irish Goodbye was the best one. Irish Goodbye is great. Fighting Fitzpatrick's is too close to Brothers McMullen, I'm assuming, so they just like...

Remember Billy you'd want from this movie other than the TV, maybe the fishing rods? I don't know. Boxing gloves? Boxing gloves is good. Okay. The watch.

The watch is good. Hello. Thank you, Craig. Finstock, Miyagi, best, worst, life lesson. Where the down cycle would you have? No women on the boat. No woman on the boat. I don't get all sensitive on me now, Barbara.

Double feature choices, brothers of McBowen. Look what I wrote down. Crimes of misdemeanors. Wow. Interesting. Why? Say more about that. I mean, I wrote this down last night.

I didn't write this down when you were talking about it. I think that he's trying to do a dromedy in this movie and he's struggling with the drama. Somebody needs to die. Yeah. Somebody needs to die. Cameron Diaz needs to... I mean, at the end of the day, we love that she doesn't suffer

and she's the winner. She's the winner of the movie. Oh, sorry. I don't know if I want to step on who won the movie. But, like, no. That's our next category. And that's really the question is he's trying to do something that has gravitas and has laughs.

Crimes and Misdemeanors is the ultimate. movie that has those two things working. I love that. I would go, I would stay in the era and I would pair this with walking and talking. Nicole Hall's movie with Anne Hache and Catherine Keener about, you know, two friends. This is in each other.

It's good one. I haven't seen that one in a while. He makes each other movies, right? Like, we are here for each other. We need each other. If I don't have you, I don't know who I am. We can have a fight and we'll be together in the next. scene again like it didn't happen. It doesn't matter because we've got each other.

So you had Diaz winning the movie? Cameron Diaz is your winner. I had Diaz as well, but I really agonized about McLone or Tom Petty because I think you could make a case for either. I think there's also a case to say Edward Burns won the movie because he got, look what he did. Look what he did. So long term, long term Ed Burns,

short term Cameron Diaz. Short term Cameron Diaz, long term, I think Edward Burns is your winner. I think Edward Burns made a movie for a movie. major studio with these huge stars or would soon be huge stars. Would soon be huge stars. That's the important thing. That really kind of confirms him. And whether you like or don't like the next 13 movies he makes, he's been in the firmament

of American movie making for a long time now. And he's still doing, he's still making movies. So I think it's ever. Also, he's making movies about a people that don't, that barely have a cinema. Do you know what I mean? Everyone, everyone in the Long Island and the Hansons. But this was a. thing with the brothers McMullen though

nobody got my joke wait what did you say I said he's making movies for everyone in Long Island and the Hampton's where I forgot I had one I had one last take on this which is like yeah the Long Island Director Hall of Fame oh oh please I can't even I don't know if I could do this so I mean there's one Are there porn directors of this? No

I just straight through I didn't go that deep okay I didn't go all that deep in general literally or figuratively but I mean Francis Ford Coppola of course is number one he's from Long Island Francis Ford Coppola graduated from North Great Neck High School. Now, he went to military school. Stick with Sean Fantasy.

I think he was born in Detroit because his father played in an orchestra that was funded, I think, by Ford Motors. But he mostly grew up on Long Island. It's a good number one. Number two? I mean, it's John Cassavetti's born in New York City, but mostly grew up on Long Island. Number three is Apatow. Who's from Syosset, owned it proudly. Yes.

Has had an amazing career. one of the most influential people last 30 years in movies. Burns, Hal Hartley. Oh, Hal Hartley. Who is kind of the flip side. Where in Long Island is he from?

That's a good... Lindenhurst. Okay. He's from Lindenhurst. And a lot of these guys are from like the Five Towns area, Nassau County, not really my neck of the woods. How Hartley's a great one.

Because that's in the movies. And Hal Hartley and Edward Burns are like these kind of weird mirror images of each other. You know, like all the stuff that we wish Ed Burns has, how Hartley has... How Hartley is doing and, like, overdoing. And Hal Hartley could maybe use a little bit of it what Ed Burns has.

And then the last couple, Ted Demi, who was a really good filmmaker, who died very young. Howard Deutsch, and the famed artist Cindy Sherman, who directed one movie. Wait, she's from... She's from Long Island as well. And Jack Horner.

Well, she's out, and she's a Hampton's person. Jack Horner. Jack Horner for Bougaints. It's the best film after we ever read. Jack Warner. So when they're going to remember him. He feels like he's... What town is Jack?

Where was Jack Horner from? Do you think Jack was from, like, Ohio and he invented himself as Jack Horner in Los Angeles? Or was he, like, born and bred in the Valley? No, because he was late 50s, probably. You're not living in the Valley in, like, 1951. When are we going to re-buggy? We did two parts. I'm ready to go right now.

Again? Oh, my God. I'll do it every year. I'll do it every year. You know what was funny? I was thinking for the 30th anniversary. if we just blind, nobody was allowed to prep. I don't even have an iPad.

If we just go and we just try to do it. You should have pulled to come over to my house. I want to do something. Maybe I will. I don't even. Blind boogie nights. Is this even, why are you making it seem like this would be like a hard thing to do? It would be so easy.

It's like, it really wouldn't be hard at all. I could have done it was she's the one. This is going to be the saddest part of the podcast when Craig gives us take on she's the one. Oh boy. I just want to say I did enjoy listening. the you all talk about what it meant to you guys in this movie came out, exploring the themes, the pieces of them filmed back.

You appreciate it. I'm about to get a deal my home. What a wind up that was. I wrote down two things. I wrote, From Hell Month continues with the script from hell. And then I wrote, ah, to be a tall, decent-looking white man

in the 90s with a little bit of talent. I mean, so not a fan. I don't know. I mean, look. This might have been you had to be their movie. I watched it with Liz. And I just felt, I don't disagree with you guys that like the themes are interesting

and are like fun to talk about. I genuinely just felt like the writing and the acting in this movie is like just pretty clunky and blocky and it was just, it didn't really land. I don't know if it's because I'm viewing it more from like the objective. This might be his least favorite of the year. And like I have no relationship to this time, this place,

these people, like any of it really. So it's like 30 years later when you don't have the attachment of your whole, you know, like, we are viewing it from completely different prism. But like you literally had to be in Valley Stream on Long Island to get this movie in some ways, in some ways. I mean,

I don't know because I am with Craig. I just feel like the thing that would, well, there are two reasons that I was excited to talk to you guys about this movie. One is I love, I mean, I love listening to straight men

talk about women, period. It's just, when it's, when it's like legit and from the heart. You love authentic talk. I just, I enjoy it because... Like my dream team cups analogy. That was really why you flew across country to do this pod.

Like top five bills. Okay, good. One of the top five bills. It's a fun movie to chew on. I don't disagree with that. It's great because it's a cosmology movie, right? It's about... It's the constellation of stars and how they all fit together.

Like, it sets up so many good discussion points. But I'm being dead serious when I say, I legitimately think that McClone saying, what does he say? You're an ugly fuck. I pity you. I legitimately laugh at that every time he says it. There's a couple good lines.

I like when Aniston and him get divorced, when he's like, I'm having an affair and I want to get divorced. And she just goes, who is he? Who is he? Yeah. Who is he? And she plays it really flat. No, she's great.

I mean, that's a great moment. Craig, I get it. We didn't expect you to like this one. No. I'm not even positive. I liked it when I saw it in the theater, but it just kind of. I really think it's not great.

I also think that, like, the moment in time of it is, is, I just, like, revisiting this moment. And that's why we had to do the podcast. Thinking about Edward Burns and, like, what he means, what he meant, the place he occupies that nobody else, like, there just is nobody like him. You know what it would be? If it was NBA, it would be the Twitter montage of Ed Byrne highlights where it would be like, Ed Burns was a problem. Yeah, exactly.

It would be all, like, the best parts of his stuff. movies. It's all shots of him walking through parks with the hottest actresses of the late 1990s. He's got a great eye for talent. So the really unkind way of framing this is that you mentioned those indie stars and kind of that group of people who came before him. And all of those people in one sense or another were really transgressive and complicated. Like filmmakers who made violent movies or these really frank movies that had these like hard, dark themes. And Edward Burns was like the last. logical conclusion of that time because he was the guy who movie executives felt most comfortable wrapping their arms around and saying I want to have my own Woody Allen

I want to have my like safe handsome you know east coast Neroses movie and that this kind of also signals the end of that era you know that the era of Sunday starts just kind of ends with Edward Burns in a way

so and like if you hear Tom Rothman talk about getting Brothers MacMullen and how much it meant to him. There's an interview with him on the Brothers MacMillan Blu-Rae. You know, he's like, this is like him discovering Dennis Hopper or something. He's like, I found the next great voice. Yeah.

And I do think that that plays a big part in kind of understanding the context and why these movies took off. You made the key point, though. You talk about some of the other guys we mentioned in the indie film high school, the seniors and the juniors. Like, Bomback made a bunch of weird movies after kicking and screaming. Like, it took him a while, and he really took all kinds of chances all over the place. Soderberg, same thing.

Oh, yeah. He goes into, like, he's just all over the place. No one tried more stuff than him. I could throw this splitter. I can get it over in the strike zone, 98% of the time, and this is my pitch, and I'm going to throw it. I also think that there is a kind of, he's resisting something, too. Right? Like, this movie, Brothers McMullen comes out during this, like, very important.

this other very important moment for American independent movies which is the Scuz era and there's no world in which a different like Shmedward Shmedward Schmernes isn't out here doing like

you know rape rape rob and drive away no 15 times no right but he is so determined to uphold this other value system he's raising the Catholic church right he goes to church every Sunday He loved Woody Allen.

Yeah, and he loved Woody Allen. Just wanted to capture New York and relationships and people walking outside talking about stuff. Walking outside. Well, I think Brothers McMahon is 75% exteriors, so he didn't have to pay for lights, which I thought was such a great idea, that he had no money.

That movie cost $20,000. He had no money to pay for lighting. Well, we learned today that Ed Burns is maybe underrated, maybe properly rated, or maybe overrated. I will say one other things. We learned that this movie had a bunch of great-looking females in it, and we learned that.

Craig doesn't care about independent film. That's right. So the three things we've learned. He's not a supporter of just people in their mid-20s, just trying to catch a break. We gave it an earnest try, Liz and I, and halfway through, we were like, I just don't think this is landing.

I'll just say one other things. I respect it. I buried a very important leader. It's not that important, but, like, I was on a Sundance jury. I thought you were going to say, I've been in a 20-year committed relationship with Mike McGlone.

A boy can't. It would have been an amazing end to this. A boy can dream. No, I was on a Sundance jury with Tom Rothman and Edward Burns. Yeah. And it was the jury that gave Coogler the Fruit Valesation. Oh, wow. And...

What a fucking flex. He, they were... I mean, I think the hatchet's been buried. I don't know what... I don't know how Edward is... Edward Burns is writing about it in the book. But they really believe... believed in Ryan Cooleler.

I will just say that they really did. That was, also... What happened to that guy? Who? Ryan Cooleer. I don't know. I don't know. He's everything. Everything. Yeah, he made a... She's the one and he disappeared forever.

Everything. Yeah. But I mean, I will give... I will give them both credit, but that Rothman talks about this a lot where it's like, you basically... And I wish he did this at fucking Sony and he doesn't do it. And if you're listening to this Tom Roth and fucking open up an independent division and support it, like, it is not just Sony Pictures Classics. But like investing in the filmmaker was the whole thing. This is how Hollywood got so good in the 90s is they made these bets on these people

and they let them make two, three, four, five, six movies. Yeah. And if you don't do that, then you're not going to get better movies. You made the point about Bomb Back. It's the same thing. I don't want to get on my high horse too much. But I really think this matters. And like, if those guys in a jury room can believe in Coogler, then why did Coogler not get a five-picture deal immediately from a studio that was like, do whatever you want?

you're the future. Nobody fucking does that anymore. Why are you asking why Coogler didn't? I know what the answer is. It's not as though that doesn't... I know, but it's like writ large, it is extremely frustrating that, well, also like, what would it look? We're seeing what we're watching in

real time right now what it looks like to not do that with these directors, right? We're watching in real time because these movies are making money. They're good. They follow the money. Right now, obsession, backgrounds. But does he have a five-picture deal?

Does he, is he doing... He does, he has a... And isn't the next thing he doing... I know too much about this. What am I allowed to say? Texas chainsaw massacre. He signed up for an A-24 movie, but he's more than likely

going to make his next couple of movies. You're talking about an obsession guy? I'm talking about Curry Barker. Yeah. More than likely to make his next two movies with Blumhouse Universal. But like, and some of that was done beforehand.

And some of that is being done in the aftermath of the success in the movie. And it's, I'm not saying we should go back to 19... 45 where somebody is in a lifetime contract with a movie studio. But it's more like you have an executive, that executive is your guy, and that person takes care of you. The example I cited all last year was Mike DeLuca,

who was just like, I'm bringing in PTA for Bugging Nights. He's getting to make Magnolia. I believe in him fully, and then you cut two 30 years later, and he's the person who is willing to pay for one battle after another. The flip side of that is when it was like, I believe in Maggie Gillen Hall and the bride's going to be awesome, and then the bride doesn't work. But that's the business, though.

But then they get scared off and they're like, oh, shit. No, no, no, no. No, this is the same thing that Mike DeLuca does. Mike DeLuca signed up Maggie Jellanhaal to do her next movie at Warner Brothers. Because that's how he rolls. He's one of the only executives who is like, I'm betting on the filmmaker more than any other thing. And sometimes you miss.

And it's okay to miss. Because she definitely swung at that pitch. And I liked the effort. But they were even talking about it. The movie doesn't work, but I liked that she tried to do that. But they said afterwards, like, we would back that movie 100 times out of 100. She had a good vision for it. To me, that's the thing.

Sometimes we paid for it. That's just the movies. That's what I'm saying. Like, you go back to the bride and, like, at the end of the year, it's going to look different than it did at the beginning of the year. That's just going to play in a whole different way when you watch it in December versus watching it when the stakes were high and she was up against Emerald Finnell. I'm not saying it's going to make it a great movie. But I'm saying there will be some, it, its subtexts will be more apparent. like the badge, we can talk about

why it doesn't work. I watch seven more minutes of Babylon. I'm at the 52 minute mark now. You're eight more minutes. Every year I watch seven more minutes. I'm almost at the one third point. Honestly. I mean, sincerely.

I know it's been a complicated week, but shame on you. Shame on you. You got to just finish this book. Babylon's good. Because also, that is a director. I mean, we don't need to go. I don't need to do this on Daniels. He's been getting some shots.

He's got to. enough. He's been getting some shots. He's not somebody who hasn't been getting a chance, but I think the more directors should get chances the way that he gets chances to try things. Because also, like, until this year with these two guys, and who knows how that's going to turn out, we weren't having this conversation. No. We were talking about how it did die. No, but I did talk about it. We might have even, the three of us or another group of us might have talked about how sinners, weapons, and F1 isn't a mistake. It's not, it's that this was something clearly that audiences wanted.

That they wanted original movies with new stories that didn't have to be like, oh, you've never seen a movie with vampires or you've never seen a race car driver movie, but that making them new and not making them attached to something old is something that we want right now. We've thrown weapons, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I included among those three.

Yeah. Unfortunately, at least half of them were horror-related, though, which I don't think is an accident. I agree with you. Does your generation still go into more movies or less movies lately? I mean, the numbers suggest more. Like, people under 35, we're going to more movies now.

And I think the end of the superhero era is going to help, is half of the reason why all this is happening. That's what my kids say, too. 100%. My kids were always going to the movies from the moment they could drive. But I feel like they're more excited about the movies they're going to versus like, eh. Well, yeah.

We saw whatever. IP feels old now. Jurassic Park feels old now. And I do feel like it's finally time for new stuff to come in. 15 fucking years first to get to this point. Wesley and I saw, what did we see together with the, was it a King Kong movie or Planet of the Apes? Oh, what did we see?

It was the Samuel Jackson. Yeah, we saw one of those. The Sam Jackson, King Kong. Wesley was in town. Oh, yeah. We're like, all right, let's go to that. Skull Island. Yeah, there was no other movie to go to it.

It's like, all right, let me fucking go to Skoll Island. So depressing. That's 10 years ago. Yeah. I do think we're in an action glut because I feel like action was filled in by superheroes for so long. a lot of the action franchises like John Wick are kind of over. We don't really have any good action franchises going right now.

It's like Mission and Pot, all these. You know why? Because we don't have the actors. Well, yeah. Well, this was obvious, I didn't want to put this on the table. Like, is the original action boom going to come next? Like, some other original. You've got to go see the furious.

Yeah, yeah. But you've got to see the furious. Now that's obviously, um, we need more guys like that guy. A Chinese Thai production. Yes, we like have no action. It is wide open right now. He's staring at you right now. holding a gun and looking at you, Sean.

I love him so much. There's none of me right now. But this poster is saying, I was here. I was here. Like, what, I just don't know. Because also, the thing about Die Hard, and this is important to say, McTiernan, is that what you're looking at?

Joel Silver. It's got a screen. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got a screen play. And it's got interesting people. Like, this guy, why is he a movie star? Do you know what I mean?

Like there's so many reasons this should not have worked. Hart Bochner. Right. Hart Bochner. Oh, Hart Bochner. Coked out of his mind. Great stuff. We're overdue to do it again.

Wesley, true pleasure. Thanks for coming to see us. Sean Fennacy, thank you. Craig, I'd still thank you even though you didn't like our movie. Thanks to Eduardo and Gahueh. Anybody else? Matt. Matt.

We have no theme this month. but we do have a couple other good movies coming this month so stay tuned for the rewatchables