The Rewatchables - ‘Shooter’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Shea Serrano

Episode Date: March 22, 2022

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Shea Serrano calculate humidity, elevation, temperature, wind, and spindrift to rewatch the 2007 action thriller ‘Shooter,’ starring Mark Wahlberg, Danny Glover, and Kate Mara. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can find The Watch with Chris Ryan. You're still cranking it, right, Chris? Punching the clock for 10 years plus now, Bill. All thanks due to you. Little Ringer NBA show as well. Coming up. There are no sides. There's no Sunnis and Shiites.

There's no Democrats or Republicans. There's only halves and half-nots. Shooter is next. You've set a shot in present. They framed an innocent man. You never going to stop chasing me. Now he's only. The only chance is to find the men that set him on.

I'm bringing this right to their doorstep. Shooter. We are going to talk about the 15th anniversary of... Wait, wait. Here's the thing is that you... Did you have it circled? Did you say to Carrie, were you like, hey, you know, I might be busy next week.

It's the 15th anniversary of Shooter. I mean... Don't book any plans on St. Patrick's Day. It's Shooter Eve. I go through, right in December, I go through all the anniversary years to see if there's any anniversaries. You're always looking for like, oh, there will be blood 15 years ago and stuff like that. I saw Shooter and my eyes lit up.

15 years later? Shooter, we got to crank this out. Look, this is when by 2007 they had just figured us out. What do we want? We just want put a star on the poster. Give us a gimmick. Give us some action. Give us five good scenes.

Yeah. Have them running. Shea Shooter, it checks a lot of boxes. Just the character. First of all, his name's Bob Lee Swagger. Bob Lee Swagger. How long are we in the writing room before they settle on Bob Lee Swagger? Is that like a week?

Ten seconds? Okay. Someone shouts that out. It's a wrap. Okay. All right. Let's get salads. That's good.

So he used to be the best. Check. now he's out because of an assignment that went wrong check best friend was killed no official report check living alone with his dog in the middle of nowhere check drinks budwiser very american beer check and then convinced to do one more job and you know it's going to go wrong he's set up he's falsely accused he's on the run Shay, this movie understands us. Yeah.

It drove right down the middle of the road for us. Like, let me do all of this stuff at once. What's missing from the action movie generic checklist out of everything I just mentioned, like a dead wife? His partner is serving as the dead wife in this situation. Right. Because we find out, oh, they weren't killed by the enemy. They were actually killed by our own people.

Like, we were set up. We were both supposed to die. on this day. I think if you're going down the list of stuff that this movie does, I think you have to mention does this person have some sort of elite skill? Yes, great point. He can shoot you from 100 miles away.

He does two little clicks and he's like, I got it. And kish fires the gun. You have to have the scene in there where the guy barely talks, but when he does talk, he says a whole bunch of shit, all at once to let you know, I'm actually not dumb. I'm choosing to just not talk to you.

You know what I'm saying? You need that part. And then, yeah, you need him feeding his dog out of his own mouth with food. While reading the 9-11 commission report. With a ponytail. Don't get the ponytail. So important. I'm going to guess Mark Wahlberg, I'm going to guess he didn't grow the ponytail for the movie.

That might have been that might have been that on. Chris, have we not had enough sniper movies? Well, so here's the thing is that. BLS, Bobbly Swagger, is kind of like, he's in the, he's in the Reacher zone.

Like, as far as dad books go, these Stephen Hunter books, point of impact on a bunch of, like, he's written like 15 Bobbly Swagger extended universe books at this point. This is probably in your dad's bookshelf

next to like a Pete Rose biography and, you know, something else. There's no question. Yeah. And so basically this is just a fugitive, but instead of being a doctor, he's a sniper,

which to me is basically the best idea I've ever heard. Yeah, I love, I remember Berenger and Billy Zane, whatever that. I think that was Sniper one. It was called Sniper. Well, but I don't remember how many they were in together. They all blend together, but the first one was the best one. But I just like Sniper movies. I don't know why.

I love how they set it up. I love when the guy explains how the wind and the distance and all the technical stuff. stuff. This movie does a really good job of it, but in general, like, I don't understand why this whole thing hasn't been kind of kicked in. And the other thing that you notice rewatching this movie is it basically, it lays out this real estate that John Wick just kind of takes. And I don't, Shay, why didn't we have shooter two? Why wasn't there a shooter three and a shooter four and a shooter five? John Wick just kind of took the real estate from them, but all the

makings are here. I think prior to the John Wick series, it was really hard to picture an action franchise that didn't get goofier as it went on to the next one. Like, you do shooter and you're like, all right, I don't know that we can do this again with the same person and it feel like any sort of cool. That was like the thought. And then they show up with John Wick and they're like, no, you just have to each time open the world up a little bit more.

Like that was a trick that John Wick did. They start out in very narrow space. And then at the end of the movie, they open one more door. And they're like, come with us. And it gets a little bit bigger each time. With Shooter, when it starts out, it's a whole like global conspiracy immediately. You can't get bigger than that. So you can't attach a big name to it.

But you still have like versions of those movies. The sniper movies that you mentioned with Berringer, they did like fucking five or six of those. They just kept on cranking them out, you know? Yeah. There's something funny that happens right here because this is 07. the superhero movies really kick in in earnest the next year. You know, that's one like Iron Man and Dark Night hit. Walberg does make a bunch more of these movies

because this is the beginning of the Walberg B movie run where he does this, he does Max Payne, Contraband, Broken City, two guns, Mile 22, and Spencer. But he just wasn't thinking in terms of the way Keanu was thinking where Keanu's like, let's make a whole universe out of this one thing. Walberg's just like every every 15 months I'm going to bang another different one out even though it's essentially

a highly skilled guy up against impossible odds. He could have just got media shooters. He just called them different things. It's funny all the like not only is all the recipe here for to just have grabbed the John Wick thing, but it even has like John Wick, Shay was talking about you go into these worlds, right? There's these

underground worlds and there's God damn it. What's the name of the lodge, Shay? What's the name of the The continental. The continental. Yeah. Sorry. The continental and it has all these bells and whistles that just, that's what makes John Wick

special. It's like you're going into this universe. I think they could have done this with Shooter because they're laying the breadcrumbs with the conspiracy stuff. Even in the beginning, you see them reading the 9-11 commission. You see them on some weird conspiracy website. The whole thing is a conspiracy. And it's a lot of like the government is up to bad stuff.

and we're kind of lifting the hood up of the car of all these bad things. And I just think they could have gone conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy every movie with the sequels. But as Chris pointed out, Walberg just kind of decided, all right, I'm just going to do a whole bunch of different versions of these and get out. But he never saw the sequel thing. I'm sure by the time we got to John Wick 3, Keanu was probably cashing some crazy version of like the got to be. I think Walberg blew it. Yeah, well. Honestly.

I think we could have seven shooters. But you look at where Walberg was. That guy has really failed to market himself and capitalize on his own success. That's true. Listen, the guy could have more money. You look at Walberg mid-2000s. He's in, he's still kind of bouncing around. He's got like he does rock star in 2001 and Plain of the Apes.

He's really trying to figure out who he is. by 2004 right I heart Huckabee's four brothers Invincible so he gets the sports movie The Departed which we've done twice in this pod

and Shooter He's still like You can see him with his team Going all right Sports movie Scorsese Big Europe movie Now Shooter

My Action movie And he's just kind of going through And then at some point He's just like Fuck it I'm just going to make action movies Yeah I'm going to make two a year. Yeah, that's where he landed, which I think was the right move. I actually think this is,

this run of his is probably the departed shooter is probably my favorite kind of Walberg stretch. Do you have another favorite stretch, Shay? My favorite version of Walberg is when he's a dumb guy who thinks he's smart. So whenever he shows up in a movie like that, obviously Boogie Knights, he's a dumb guy who thinks he's smart. Pain and Gain. I would, I would argue. is maybe the best Walberg movie of him, especially him doing that. It's just,

it's a perfect, like Michael Bay universe made for him to be the dumb, smart guy. I like when he leans into that a little bit more. My least favorite version of him is when he's,

like, trying to be smart on purpose, like in, like the gambler. Like the gambler, like mile 22. My thing is I actually, I find when he is playing a smart character

is the weirdest thing. in Huckabees and Gambler. And it's almost like he's like a ventriloquist dummy, just saying this stuff. But it's like, whoa, this is actually like pretty sharp. I like that.

Shooter is the only time he's done it where I, where I liked it. When he starts talking about the choreolous effect, the spin of the earth. And I'm like, all right, fucking relax. But the whole movie is built to be like two inches deep that it's okay

that he's doing that. I'm not trying to be more than that, you know? I think you can only go to this well so many times. And he certainly kept going to the well. And by the time we got to Spencer Confidential, which is a movie, I think on paper, all three of us would have been excited about. It just wasn't good. Yeah, until you watch it.

Yeah, we'd been there for 20 years with Wahlberg basically doing the same sort of premise with different hairdos and different people coming after them. And I think it started to burn itself out. But I'm looking at his IMDP, one of the IMDB things is the $6 billion man pre-production, he plays Steve Austin. I think that's been in pre-production for like 12 years. I'm kind of in on him as the $6 billion band. So we also have Antoine Fukuwa. Come on.

Who's, I don't know if Shay, if you've heard of these movies, Training Day, Brooklyn's finest, the Magnificent 7, Equalizer 1 and 2 and the Guilty. Give them all to me. I don't know if you've seen any of those. Have you seen those? Give them all to me. I love Antoine Fuqua. You forgot South Paul?

You failed to mention tears of the sun, Bill. Tears of the sun, oh my God. Let get him behind the camera as much as possible. Mayor of Kingsdown executive producer. Come on. You know he's involved when we got the one wide shot of just an entire house or log cabin or something blowing up in slow-mo. Where he must be on the set and they're like, I think we have enough explosives.

And he just must be like, nah, just double. Do twice as many as you thought you were. Well, the crew might be in danger. It'll be fine. We'll get it. Just move the cameraman back then. But his movies have a style. And I didn't realize until I looked at his IMDB, kind of how important he's been to my last, like, 20 plus years.

I enjoy all those movies, especially the two equalizers, which are very near and dear to my dad's heart. But, but yeah, he has a style, right, Chris? Like where I kind of like, you can kind of, I don't know what it is, but I know when it's his movie. It's super muscular. He's really good at set pieces. Like even the presidential assassination set up in this movie is really like way better than it has any business being. You definitely kind of have a sense of like, oh, this is where they are in relation to the stage and here's all the other stuff and the flags are waving. And maybe some of that's taken from the book. But he's really good at setting up and executing action set pieces. That's a great. I never had considered that until right now when you started talking. That's probably why I like this smart version of Mark Wahlberg in this movie and not in other movies. Because he's so good at knowing where to put a person to do a thing. You see him when he does it in the Equalizer and they have the great scene of when Dino, Washington is doing the like,

what do you see when you look at me at the table with the person? And it's just like a, it's like a perfectly built moment. And Mark Wahlberg and Shooter, when he's rifling off all of the things you have to consider when, you're making this long shot. And he's like standing in the doorway of his open cabin as he's trying to get the people out. It's just like, that's directing right there.

Shout out, shout out, Antoine. Yeah, I mean, he's just really good at actually. He's good at action. He's good at that moment before the action.

Like, you think about that training day scene where they're about to jump Scott Glenn and it just kind of is building. And he's like, what's going on? Great call. Yeah. It's just like he's just really good at that second right before shit goes off.

Yeah, when they, the, the seat in this. movie, which I wrote down as Mark Wahlberg kills everybody. That's like five times. The one where they're outdoors, not

Ned Betty's cabin at the end, but the one when he's basically got to take down, what, 50 people. And nobody touches him with a book. But you kind of always know where you are in that scene. And they kept showing Michael Pena, like, in these different spots. He's like, go to two. I'm at four.

You always know where you are. So we have that. we also have some really early Kate Mara a year after Brokeback Mountain this was the first time she was you know she got a role like this in a movie and we're about five years away from Grantland really starting to argue about Rooney versus Kate we all have to pick teams where did you land?

Four years out from from House of Cards right from her first season on House of Cards Chris were you team Rooney or team Kate in the Mara sisters battle? I think that my, you know, like many people, my political affiliations have changed over the course of time. So I think at this point, I'm probably Kate, just because Rooney doesn't actually work that much anymore,

she pretty, she does like, it's pretty sporadic, whereas Kate is like a guy, pretty consistent, you know? Shea, I've always been Kate. Have you gone back and forth or did you always pick his side? No, I like Kate. I had not even really, like, registered her in my movie universe until House of Cards came. and she's so good in that. And then you rewatch shooter and you're like, oh, shoot, it's her. And she's doing a Southern accident. It's kind of a thinkless role

and she does a really good job with it. Yeah, she just seems like somebody who was like down to do whatever you need her to do in a movie. And I always like that quality in an actor. Well, speaking of actors you like, Shea. Your guy's in this. You're going to say Elias Coteus? No.

She's guy. a co-star and shooter, end of watch, The Martian, Michael Pena. My guy. My motherfucking guy. This is, I think my favorite Pena. Nick Memphis? This one is?

Nick Memphis. I fucking love it, man. What a journey for this guy. He gets disarmed in the beginning of the first time we see him. He just gets completely humiliated. He's about to be executed by the self-assassination machine, whatever the fuck that. I don't know where you buy that.

We got to bring that back as a meme. By the end of this, he has sniper skills. He can move to different pieces. He's wearing iron bolt-proof vests. Like that, what a journey, man. A great early, early career role here. My favorite will always be end of watch, Michael Pena. Me too.

He just does it all. But right here, he's so great. The scene that stands out to me the most, even rewatching it, is the part early on when they're sort of dressing him down after Bobby's Swagger has escaped. And they're like, you should be ashamed of yourself. Yeah, and he's like, I'm not ashamed. Yeah.

I don't feel embarrassed. Like, I don't feel ashamed. He's forced recon. I just got out of the academy. I'm lucky to be alive. And when he, he injects that character with like, like a steel spine immediately. Like, I don't feel that way because I was supposed to lose that fight. And I think that's a cool trait for a, for a character to have in a movie.

And then he teams up with, with Walberg. And they give him a couple of, like, funny moments when he, drinks the coffee and then he has to very quickly be like, yeah, this is good. Like little stuff like that. It's like, this guy's a star. And it's fun to watch him not have to carry everything. He just show up and get some shots up. Chris loves when a movie inadvertently spawns. There's a buddy movie that kind of comes out of nowhere about two-thirds of the way through. There's a whole different movie where we just could have been on the road with Bob Lee Swagger and Nick Memphis where they're just like eating in diners and making fun of each other. That's a whole different movie.

I would have been there for, but they decided not to film that. Pain is like an interesting guy because like every time and to watch this, even when he's done like in his more recent stuff, like Ant Man or the season he did on Narcos, he just always does something like a little bit unexpected with the character. You know, like he always is like whether the guy is like anxious or nervous or whether he's like way funnier than he has any need to be. Like he always brings like a different kind of curveball to it.

he's a really, really, really perfect character actor in that way. I really like him, and I wish he did more stuff that I liked. I was looking at his IMDB the last few years, and there's been some whiffs. I think we need a peña sants. You need a comeback. Something happening. For this movie, $61 million budget. Expensive.

It is expensive, but I just want to say, worth it. Currently, as of the time of recording, this movie's on Netflix. and Netflix could do a lot worse than just make shooter every month. Right. Well, did you notice it was trending as like a top five thing on Netflix for like four weeks?

Is this better than like basically any Netflix original movie? Yeah. With the exception of the award stuff. I mean, not Mank and Romo, but like it's better than it's like in the triple frontier category, right? It's up there.

Yeah, I was going to say the triple frontier is the only time have probably reached these heights. Bill, Bill. Yeah, could triple frontier? Triple frontier rewatchables is, I've heard from some of my constituents that there's a real growing interest in that.

I know Shay's in. She's been waiting for the call. We have to do it three times so that it can be the triple frontier three watch. We have to record one on the beach, one in the jungle, and one in the air. In a cargo.

When you think about the Netflix algorithm though and how it convinced whoever greenlights those movies to make movies like Triple Frontier, I'm sure the shooter rewatchability was one of the things that drove Triple Frontier, right? I'm sure. That's what I was most excited about when this showed up on Netflix. I was like, ooh, if this does numbers on Netflix, there's going to be a conversation in a room where they're like, we need more of this, make this, and I can't wait. by the way, just fucking make Shooter too.

Well, they made Shooter the show. What are we waiting for? I know, but whatever. Walberg, where's Bobby Swagger now? Is he still in the mountain? Ryan, how do you say his last name? Felipe, Philippe? Ryan, Felipe.

Yeah. Ryan, he's fucking good in the show. He was really good. It was way better than I thought it was going to be. I think, of course you watched the Shooter USA show, man. I watched it the day it came out every episode, tuned in. It was really good. I also did, and I was also surprised by Ryan Felipe.

Ryan Felipe, he was in another one I told you guys about where he's like a retired Secret Service agent, but his daughter is at a boarding school that gets taken over by terrorists. What was that one? It was good. I liked it. He was not the action hero I expected to need in the last five years of my life, but he's done a pretty good job. He's done a pretty good one where he's like a, like, I don't remember what government agency he's working for, but it's basically like he's a computer programmer and he comes across something.

And is Laura Linney in that movie? Oh, Tim Robbins? Antitrust. Antitrust. I don't mind antitrust. Yeah. Good call. Antitrust rewatchables?

Probably not. $61 million budget. It made almost $100 million, $95.7 million. But tough times. Roger Ebert decided to pass. Like, you didn't even watch it? He didn't even go? There's no review.

There is no way on the internet to find that how Roger Ebert felt about this movie. We do have Manoa Dargis from the New York Times who called it a thoroughly reprehensible, satisfyingly violent entertainment about men and guns and things that go boom. She actually liked it. Perfect. That's a perfect description.

I think it's dope when somebody's like, this movie's reprehensible, but I loved it. That's like 80% of my favorite movies. I love 2007 Ebert sketching out of schedule at six shooters. just be like, eh. I'm going in and tuck it that weekend. Fuck this.

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All right. Most rewatchable scene. This movie does something smart. It easily could have just started with Bob Lee Swagger on the mountain after he had shut it down. Now, we need a scene. We need to show what happened. Got to see Ethiopia. Opening credits are really good.

We get to go to Ethiopia. It does the classic Rambo First Blood, too, where they decide to all agree in the control room that the mission now doesn't exist. The guy taking the headset off, walking out of the room. It's always tough. I wonder if that happens in real life,

but we have his buddy going. You sure this is a peacekeeping mission? Normally there isn't any peace to start with. That shit's awful calm. You're like, oh, no, this is going to go badly. Now? Yeah. With these guns aimed at these people's heads.

And then we had the evil guy doing the shut it down. Like, oh, no. And Walberg's just taking out fucking dudes from a mile away. One after the other. He's, that first one, the Jeep's driving away, driving down the road. And the guy's like three miles. We're 850. And all of a sudden, boom.

And you're like, oh, this guy's for real. This guy's like a really good sniper. And then that's it. He just starts wiping him out. But, um, shake, good opening scene. Great opening scene. Yeah, you've also got the, somewhat of a recurring motif in movies where the, uh, the sniper's spotter, I like to call them the caddy, but I know that they're spotters

are really useless if shit goes down. Like, if anything gets, if it gets hot under there, they're just like, yeah, like, all I do is basically tell you which way the wind is blowing. And if there's, like, some barometric pressure, I didn't know I was going to have to fight a helicopter. I didn't know I was going to have to fight a helicopter. I didn't know I was going to have to shoot. I could just tell you how far away the thing is. How far would it be?

Like, how hard would it be for the spotter to actually learn some basic gun skills? Bobby Swagger teaches Nick Memphis in like a day and a half. How to like basically a super soldier. I don't know why the sniper caddies are always like, ah, man, can't wait to get home. To my loving wife. Nope. That seems great. I also, Shia, I know you know this about me because I've,

discussed it before, but nothing makes me happier than the marksman. The helicopter's coming. They're about to die. And they got the one shot at the blades of the helicopter. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, this is do or die and they always nail it. And the helicopter blows up. I'm in there every time for the helicopter getting shot down. Yeah. Good times. Man versus machine. Yeah. Sign me up. It's got one shot. You got to hit that, hit that blade or that's it. Next scene. Evil Danny Glover goes to see Walberg. you get the dog barking way before anyone gets there, which is always like, oh, so the dog's a little telepathic.

This is just a fountain of action movie, cliche quotes. Yeah. Yes. My name is Colonel Isaac Johnson. You're a hard man to find. I'm not hard enough. Come a long way to see you. We have some business need your attention.

You want to use your little gear going down the road to the brakes will go. Come in. Come in. Don't do that. Come to the porch, I'd invite you to have to shoot the dog. It's a slow draw you got there. Sure you want to do that? Shoot a dog in this county in a man's land.

I bury you in the hill. Tell the sheriff a month or two later, he understands. It's a lot of like, you're a hard man to find. Not hard enough. Not hard enough. Hey, Glover's just speaking all on cliches, but talks them into, we got to do this, blah, blah, blah. Standard Secret Service Protect Corden is out to 880 yards.

But this incident claims that the shot would be taken from beyond a mile. We need you to scout. Tell us how you would do it so we could stop it. I'm not entirely convinced that a shot like this could be made. Let's not take the chance. So can we just explain, let's see if we're on the same page here. Danny Glover is working in a like basically unnamed government

agency capacity like whatever that is. There's definitely a mystery around him. And he's like there's going to be an attempt on the president. We have gotten word. We don't know where it's coming from or who is doing it. But what we need you to do is set up the perfect assassination of the president

so that we can see how someone who thinks like you might do it and thus stop the actual attempt. And just at any... And here are the three. relocations. It's D.C., Philly. I can see how this would blowback bat on me. No, he's feeling in that moment that he's like,

he is Clarice going to talk to Hannibal Lecter. Right. You know what I'm saying? He's the hero. He's feeling great. I had that I'm picking nits, Chris. Yeah, we can get to it. I think we should do that.

No, no, I just, I think we should do it now. He's drinking of Budweiser, reading the 9-11 commission report. Right. a unnamed government agency shows up to his reclusive hideaway in Wyoming and is like, would you mind setting up the perfect assassination attempt on the present? He's just like, you talk me into it. You twisted my arm. I can see your point.

Let's do it. Well, Danny has, as they're driving away, he has, he's like, I didn't say enough cliches over the last three minutes. And he does the, he said yes, he just doesn't know it yet. And that's, apparently he knew. He just read Bob Lee Swagger's body language. I'm with you, Chris. Here's this guy who we already know is big into conspiracies.

Just doesn't see the big picture here at all. He might be being framed for a conspiracy. This is great. I get to spend some time in Baltimore. I get to foil an assassination. So yeah, Baltimore, Philly, and D.C. are the three locations and he figures out, which I know, Chris, you've talked about for years.

Philly, great, great sniper location. Lots of weird buildings. A lot of cool ledges. Interference, things like that. Weird alcoves. Somehow Walberger agrees, which leads to our next rewatchable scene where, although I will say for rewatchability, I do like when Swaggers in the different locations. You mentioned that earlier, Shia.

I like how Fuku, how he lays that out where he's just kind of looking around and surveying it. But the Archbishop getting shot, I just wrote, Archbishop gets shot, Shooter Escapes. and this is like an eight-minute scene and it's just every piece of it's really good where he's in the room with all the guys with the binoculars and then all of a sudden all those guys are gone where'd they go?

They're just like, oh, he's got the binoculars up. Get out of here. That's scene's shot really weird. It's kind of awesome. If you watch it the second time, you can see the cop like it through the window kind of like creeping up on him a little bit. Yeah.

But there is a moment where when the cop shoots him, it seems like everybody is out of the room. room and then they're back in. Like, it is, it is cut a little bit weird, but it is a cool setup. Yeah. You're unsnapped officer. Yeah. I love the falling through things, too, gimmick.

Oh, man. As much as possible to give it through the, yeah, through the roof, but it breaks the fall a little and somehow the guy's all right. There are a lot of really soft roofs in Philly. The, um, the, he disarms our guy Michael Pena, unfortunately. But that scene's really good. Gets somehow steals a car leading to an incredible car wash

thing where just like the knowledge knowing that there's some blood clotting stuff in the trunk just knowing that somehow cutting through the back seat which I always like in action movies. This is the lightest car wash like there's the most light in this car

car washes are dark. This is like there's spotlights on this car wash And the car wash goes for, I don't know, 22 minutes as he's cutting through the thing. He's able to put blood clot stuff on himself. I'm all in. It's great.

This is, you actually believe he somehow got out of this, even though there's a thousand cops, FBI. And you're like, I buy this. I think he did it. Leading to, I know, when a Shay's favorite moves, the back the car into the water. Yeah. Which, and then they're like,

I don't know. I think he might have died. Show me the body. Yeah. And the guy's always able to swim away without detection. This is what Richard Kimball did. He jumped off the dam and lived. And then everybody's just like, I want guys 30 miles up and down each side of this river. It's just like, yeah, you missed it.

And I wanted five minutes ago. Yeah. Five minutes ago. When they show the car chases on the LA news, which, to be one of Shea's favorite things about living here. The guy never, it always ends with the guy and some, you know, playing the highway thing wrong and on side streets and then finally they throw the strip down and they get them. Nobody ever does the, I'm just going to drive into the fucking Pacific Ocean.

Like, I'm going to stand them out of Capere. I'm driving off it, landing in the ocean. I've seen this work in seven movies. So maybe we'll see it at some point. next one don't give away your exit strategy Bill yeah that's now my I've discussed this

I would go to the airport that's the way to get out of it oh because no the helicopters can't go over the airport yeah you go to the airport you go in a parking garage and you're good nobody ever thinks of this

security at the airport you probably be pretty good there we're looking for a graying podcaster who just it's like he's definitely headed to the airport he's talked about it

on four different podcasts he refers to the to the Celtics as we. His name is Dr. William Simmons. Next scene, Swagger saves Nick Memphis, who's wearing like the kinkiest self-assassination machine. I think that's ever been in a movie. Yeah.

Leading to another action movie classic. You set me up. You used me as bait. How do me toss these boys in the water? You set me up? You use me as bait? You think? flushed him out, didn't it?

I was kind of hoping to keep one alive, but they were kind of determined to kill you. Shay, if we ever read an action movie together, just make sure we grab some of these quotes and just plagiarize them completely. 12 bait scenes in a row, just over and over and over and over. That's what should be called bait.

Yeah. Next one I have for Rewatchable is, I wrote this down as Walberg starts killing everyone outside. Listen very carefully. On my one, you blow the pipe bombs, then the gas. three two one I'd say 40 kills in this scene easily easily

and not a shot gets him not a shot not even close yeah not even like a bullet that ricochets by him he's just he just wipes everybody up so this is when he goes and talks to Michael Sandor after yeah after that guy inexplicably kills himself you know what I realize

can I just say that one of the other cliches that this movie employs twice is when the guy you least expect gives Bobbly swagger all the information he needs. Yeah. Because there's the ballistics expert played by 11 Helm,

and then there's the guy in the wheelchair and he's just like, I had to tell you the truth to keep you here. It's like, you didn't. No, you didn't. Yeah, probably not. You could have just rattled off the Blue Jay's roster.

I don't know. You didn't have to tell him the entire conspiracy. No, you didn't. one thing I realized during this scene that I knew already, but it just reminded me the, because I mean, the best is first blood was Stallone.

But the outdoor silent tactical murders where the guy has like the bush on his head and he pops out of nowhere or you have these trained assassins or bodyguards who are walking around looking for a guy and somehow don't realize they just walk by him or dropping down from the tree. there's so many ways it goes. I love all of them. And I love that shooter. Pate homage. First blood invented, though. Let's be honest. The best one, Rambo does. The best one, too, is in Rambo too when he's covered in mud and he's like on the tree. And the guy walks by it. And then he opens his eyes. And he's like, for all of eternity, that bad guy is just like, I got fucking killed by a tree. That's what he's telling everybody in hell. A fucking tree got me. I don't know how to explain it. I don't know how to explain it. I don't know how to.

explain it. A tree coming. The missing and action movies have some good ones too. That would be amazing if there was like a chamber of hell where guys who got killed right before a big action scene went. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're just complaining

to the other guys. That scene's great. And then we have Snow Mountain Sniper Rescue scene. I'm still not positive what's happening here. So that's like somewhere in Montana, right? Yeah. Yeah, they go to Montana because that's where the senator is. We do have Alaska

get his hand shot off and do the thing where he laughs hysterically like he admires it, which is a great action movie villain thing. My hand's going aha ha ha ha! And then his arm gets shot off and that's it for him.

I can't really fully explain what's going on in this scene, but I like watching it. Man. I don't know why. they chose to go there. Yeah. And also, I always just like enjoy this scene

because if it is in Montana, it would be hilarious if like, just to the left, some dude was snowboarding. He's like, you guys up to you. It's just like, we're just doing a hostage exchange

with two helicopters and eight snipers. I'm convinced the challenge on MTV, the show that I love, the reality show, saw shooter and decided all the final challenges had to look like shooter because they do a lot of,

like, the last challenge is climbing a mountain. Survivor and Big Brother will do this too, or not Amazing Race will do this. Just so they can get the wide shots of the mountain and the hole and it just seems like so intimidating.

But I do feel like Fuku invented that. And then the last one, which is really a special scene and combined so many action movie things that I love, the log cabin scene. Did he give his checks and balance his speech? This is

about evidence and the truth. And then you just said to him, fuck you. Who am I a cigar, Mr. E.G? Fuck you. Well, you have the bad guys just, by rule, they have to be having scotch and cigars. And just over laughing at each other's jokes.

It's just an evil laughing. Planning their next mission. just like, ah, that Bedi's really going for it. And you just know it's not going to go well.

A body drops through the ceiling. And I just, I really enjoy that. I have, I think, as my favorite scene, I really think it's probably the last like 25 minutes

when it really starts from like him killing everybody outside. We get to the mountain pretty quickly. We get into the log cabin and then we get that final scene with him shooting

the empty, sniper the thing, the sniper thing he turned up. But that, I think the last 25 minutes to me is my favorite part of this movie. What do you have, Chris? I would probably go with the assassination in Philly as the most rewatchable scene. Just the whole setup of that and him being like the flags are waving. It's going to happen now. Like he's loaded.

And just like the way that they build like the suspense with that. Because you are kind of like, I don't really know what's going to happen. And then when you see the robot sniper rifle where they don't show you where that is, but when you see it, you're just like, oh, fuck, Bobby is in trouble. Yeah, you're right. If it's one scene, that's probably this scene. Yeah. But I think I like the last 25 minutes the most.

What about you, Shea? The last 25 minutes are really well done. It's oftentimes very hard for an action movie that has done like a bunch of crazy shit up to that point to get to the last 20 or so minutes and still nail it. And they do it really, they do it really well here. The smart, the super smart thing is they just make everything small again, but they just put him against the people in the cabin. and that's it. But my favorite scene to rewatch is his escape.

Everything from after he gets shot by the cop to the time he's being pulled away on the tugboat in the river or whatever. Because I really like, they do so much of the cliche stuff in the beginning on purpose. This is not like we didn't know we were doing this. They're doing it on purpose.

But then you get to that part and to watch him like solder his own wound and you're like, oh, this is cool. Like they're going to do some other, like some fun, unexpected stuff in like a creative way. When a movie can do that, a movie that knows it's dumb,

but is also doing stuff like in a smart way is a lot of fun. So get into that part, you realize, okay, cool, I want to watch, I want to watch the rest of this over two hours long movie.

Let's take a break and we'll do what stage is the best. All right, what's age the best? I really like the opening credits, as I mentioned earlier. The concept of Swagger being mad that his dog was murdered foreshadowing the entire John Wick series.

Yeah, the John Wick writers were like, good one. They wrote that one down. Chris, Philly. Not a location enough for movies, I don't feel like. It honestly is it. And then it's great that for the second time in like five years, Walberg is just wearing a ton of Eagles gear. Right.

He kept all his invincible stuff. Yeah. I'll return to that. Philly as like an assassination conspiracy city obviously peaking with with blowout John Travolta where everybody likes to also incorporate all the colonial

like you know 18th century architecture that they have and there's always like this is where the they wrote the constitution you know and like all the independence independent stuff is like very very like it works well with the conspiracy theory action or mystery movie.

Shea, I was watching, as, you know, I feel like Boston's superior to Philly in pretty much every way. And I was like, why isn't Boston ever an assassination city in a movie, an action movie? Because everybody would get caught on fucking store or drive trying to get out of town. Yeah, that's the thing. Because it's like you've got one road. What I realized is Philly's actually better as a sniper city. I think they made the right choice. It's just, Philly's weird.

It's like congested and stuff's close together, but there's also a lot of ways to get out. And there's, it just made sense to me. I thought it was the right choice. If Jeremy Renner and Ben Affleck had robbed a Phillies game, we would have had the town too. Right. Could have happened.

So many highways right next to the vet, you know? What's age the best? Nick Memphis. What a name. Just the names. An interesting thing about Pena, I think that I've always. appreciated is that as he got more and more powerful in his career, he started doing a thing where

he would only play characters if they had like a Latino name. Yeah. Early on, he wasn't able to do that clearly here. But he does it later. But yeah, him being Nick Memphis is just like, that lets me know when he read for that part, he fucking had that whole room rolling. Yeah, yeah. He had that whole room rolling.

He won that audition. Chris, what nationality is the name Nick Memphis? Is that like Scottish? That's Irish. Irish? Yeah. It's Kegean. It's Nick Kijian.

Well, you might remember his father, Bob Memphis. What's age the best? I think just the names in general in this movie, because you got Bobbly Swagger, Nick Memphis. And then when they get to the bad guys, they're just like, Colonel Johnson. We used all of our fucking creativity on the first two names. They knew they couldn't go too far. I love when they have, this is an action movie staple. This is just one.

dead man talking to another. They really weaved in a lot of stuff like that. Let's talk about evil Danny Glover for what's age the best. Oh my God. My fucking guy in this movie. He makes me so happy every scene. You know,

we talked about him when we did the lethal weapon pods. That movie was so big. It kind of overshadowed what else he could do in his career, right? It was like everybody just saw him as lethal weapon guy. and then he was in Grand Canyon. He had a nice little run there, late 80s, early 90s. But I feel like more could have happened.

Like, he, couldn't he have been, like, the Dennis Haysbert, hezberg president in, uh, in 24? Could he have been evil in more movies? Why didn't Michael Mann want him for heat? I don't know whether he just made so much money from lethal weapon. He didn't have to do that much or what, but I thought evil Danny Glover was like... Who would you have him playing in heat? like the guy who's bail bonds they steal

or like who would he be who would he be? He could have been that guy. Yeah. I just feels like nobody it never occurred to anybody that Danny Glover could be a villain until this movie and now I feel like we lost

15 years of potential with this but he's so much fun. He has my favorite line in the whole movie is at the end when they have Bob Lee at the table and they're like talking through the crimes he's committed

and he's committed. and he says, what the hell am I doing here? You got nothing on me. I'm covered. Call the joint chief. Yeah. And he just points out of what he says.

Right. This fucking guy is having the best time. So this is a pretty good wood stage. Oh, one more of what stage is the best. They change this from PG-13 to R after Wahlberg signed on. Just good move. Smart move. Yeah.

I don't think you can do a PG-13 sniper movie. Yeah, you can't do PG-13 sniper. So this movie is way more political than I. I think I realized the first time I saw it. And after multiple rewatches, there's a lot going on here. A lot of people, if you go online, feel like the senator played by Ned Beatty was basically an analog for Dick Cheney. And they have the hunting scene with him. The oil being in general, kind of looks like him, right?

And this is 0607s right around people really wondering Bush, Cheney, what are they up to? What kind of illegal shit is going on? So you have the 9-11 commission report. Are we sure they're good? Right. The 9-11 commission report book, big red flag nine minutes in. He's on the left-wing website, zmag.org on his laptop. We have that guy that they go to see when they talk about the grassy-null guys.

We're dead in three hours. So we bring the JFK assassination in that. When they go to meet the conspirators in Virginia, the portraits on the wall, they're all Republican presidents. the cut to the Montana to the Ned Beatty, the senator, he's in the hunting gear. Really does look like the Dick Cheney

who accidentally shot his friend that time. We have quotes like the problem isn't the doing. It's the people in power having to admit that they knew. The prisoners are tortured and Abagarab. And only the underlings go to jail.

Their boss is new. We know their boss is new, but you don't say it. So it's a lot of like, it's kind of out of the 70s. Even they go to Athens, Tennessee. which was very stealth location of the Battle of Athens, where armed citizens removed the corrupt local government

and restored free elections in 1946. All this feels way more intentional than I think I realized when I was watching a dumb action movie in 2007. Is there more going on here, Shea? I think there might be that as funny you bring that up, when I was rewatching it before the show, I was on the part where they're on the mountain

doing the shootout there, the sniper shootout on the mountain, which is fucking awesome. And Laramie come walking through the room. And she asked, what is this? I said, we're doing shooter on rewatchful. And she said, oh, she sat down for a second. What's this about? What's going on here?

And I'm like, oh, he's just like killing the bad guys. And that was the only description I could give. Like, I have no idea. I've seen this movie 20 times. I understand he was framed for the president. President assassination, that wasn't really President assassination. But beyond that, I just don't listen to anything anybody says of any substance. I'm just like, just shoot them in the hand.

That's all I want to see. I'm waiting for you to shoot through the scope and to blast out the back of his skull. Like, that's it. I don't know what's going on in this movie at all. Chris, did you know, I just want to watch it? Did you 100% know what was going on in this movie? Because I didn't until I did the research last night. I didn't necessarily, I mean, when I first saw it, I certainly didn't think.

of it is like a very political movie, but it's funny to watch it now and just be like, Bob, Bobby would have logged some serious hours on YouTube. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. It's too bad that he peaked sort of back in the Z-Mag days because I think he would have done very well for himself on YouTube, both as a viewer, but maybe even as a content producer. Well, this is from Wikipedia, and this explains what, Shay, where you're talking about how you didn't totally understand what was going on, because I didn't either.

Serbia tells swagger that the organization Johnson works for is run by U.S. Senator Charles Beecham. It functions as a conglomerate exploiting economic assets in developing countries. The Archbishop assassinated earlier was in Philadelphia to speak about the atrocities committed in Ethiopia where the organization wiped out an entire village so an oil pipeline could be laid through. Now, they referenced that on the mountain. Yeah. I've seen this movie as many times as you guys.

never understood that piece at all. Because this movie, you just kind of zone out until something happens again. And apparently there was a plot. Because right before the archbishop gets shot, Elias Coteus is like, yeah, I was in Ethiopia too. Which is like, if I'm

Bob Lee, I'm like, really, that seems like a weird coincidence to mention right before the president might get shot. Right. Yeah. You could offer me a million dollars right now and I couldn't tell you what you just said right now. But as soon as you started

talking about it, I was like, I'm not listening to this. It needs like almost like a 60 minutes, two minutes that explains the whole Ethiopia thing better than they did in the movie. This is kind of like what great thrillers do where it's like there's like a whole part of the fugitive

which is about like blood thinners. And yeah, like I don't remember what the pill and fugitives like that he tests does. And like why Jeroa when Crabe was like having him killed for that. It's like nobody remembers like that that part. It's just like it's cool to watch Harrison Ford run around.

Same thing for this where it's like just just want to see Mark sniping people. You'll have to excuse my friend Richard Kimball. He's very sick. What's age the worst? 126 minutes. Probably a little fat. So there's like that whole middle part. Yeah, there's 20 minutes here with Kate Mara where.

A lot of amateur surgery happening. Yeah. This movie's too long. This movie should have probably ended up around 110. Would have been my dream scenario. How do we feel about Kate Marrow's Kentucky accent? Great. Nailed it. Perfect.

She takes a couple miles per hour off her fastball as the movie goes on, I think. Yeah, I think it kind of, it definitely softens as the movie goes. There's some travel stuff here that, uh, I don't want to be a dick. I love shooter. But Philly to Kentucky, 10-hour drive. Yeah. Bleeding out while you're bleeding out.

Yeah, with two bullet holes in your body and just some blood clot powder on there. Tennessee to Bozeman, 26 hours. Yeah. Like all of a sudden. While you're still the most wanted man on the planet. Yeah, we're just in Bozeman. We just, I mean, that's like over a full day. You've got to stop.

There's a hotel. I'm going to sleep somewhere. He's with Michael Payne at this point. Like, we don't get any sort of midnight run moments at all where they stop at a jack in the box. Nothing. Just keeps going. I don't understand on the mountain, swagger elects to burn the evidence that proves his innocence. Right.

Because he realizes it's not going to help them because they're just going to rig it however they feel anyway. I'm just never, I'm never on the side of I'm going to destroy the evidence that would potentially clear me. complicated, but I kind of like the idea that he always had the firing pin thing, like that he, when he gets to the end and he's, Oh, so you think he baited them? Yeah.

Again, using bait, just like Nick Memphis. And I think that he always knew that he would be able to pull that Sherlock Holmes shit at the end and be like, I removed all the firing pins from my rifles before I left. So this gun couldn't have been used. What's age the worst? It kind of hints that something horrible. happened to Kate Mara when she was being... Yeah, with Cateus, yeah.

They don't really say what happens, but then she does the thing where she shoots him 17 times at the end, where it's like, oh, something bad probably happened here, but they don't acknowledge it. She seems fine after. I don't really know what they were going for with that. I probably would have audited away from that if I were them. Any of their woods age the worst?

I mean, that's not a really good ponytail for Wahlberg. It's definitely too long. I always... I think that the... I have to give a... myself a haircut because shit's about to get real is a cool action movie trope, you know, and that again, that happens in the fugitive where he gives himself the shave in the mirror when he first gets out of the water. But yeah, that's just like either grow the ponytail

for real or don't, but don't wear a wig ponytail and then have a perfect haircut as you're going to Philadelphia. Yeah, they should have gone like big bushy beard with him or something. Yeah. Also, like, his hair is like mine. My hair goes up. I can never grow a ponytail. Like, in fact, my hair goes up and out.

And I think Walbergs does, too. I don't know if he could ever have a ponytail like that. Like, he's not like Aaron. Aaron Rogers can do it. Like, he's got that stringy long hair. Anyway. What is the point of cutting off the ponytail in this? It's symbolic, Shea.

He's ready to go to work. I think it's like, like, he's, like, getting back into, like, military shape. And, like, you don't get a lot of guys in the field with ponytail. You know? And I feel like, bad guy could just, yank on it, you know. And he, what's age and worse for your shed? Grab his hair.

No, I didn't, I didn't have any. I love a ponytail. I disagree with Chris. Casting what if. I think Chris should get a ponytail right now. That'd be. Just start wearing. Chris, for the 500 three watchables, you have to have a ponytail by then.

Okay. 270 movies away. The movie script doctor was William Goldman, which I didn't realize until I did the research. So was he, did he write, this version or was he working on like an earlier version? Because I saw that he had talked about how like Bob Lee was supposed to be played by like an older guy. Yes. So he was thinking it was like Clint. He still had Robert Redford or Harrison Ford, all of whom passed.

Harrison Ford is a sniper. I'm not buying. I'm also not buying old snipers. Because your eyesight just gets worse when you hit your mid 40s. I'm just not buying that at all. But that's what the, uh, the book had. Apparently Keanu passed. half-ass but I think he knew deep down his destiny was something better I know you read that script and he was like, huh,

this guy seems really mad about the dog got to remember that. File that one away. So that all worked out. That's how I was able to find out. Best that guy, aka the Joey Pantsal word. So Elias Cateas,

I don't feel like he's that guy. We know his name, so he's out. So the nominees are the evil Philly cop who shoots Bob Swagger didn't know his name. name, but know his face. His name is A.C. Peterson. Also known as the Phillie Cop who shoots Bob Swagger. That's how I know him if I see him anything. And then Rona Mitra, the other lady in this,

I never knew what her name was, but you've seen her in a bunch of different things. And that's her name, the one who's working with Nick Memphis in the first hour. I would have those two. That's who I had for my pick. I kept waiting. Even now, I've watched it a bunch of times, even in this most recent rewatch, I was waiting for her to turn evil and do like a bad thing. She just has like that look about her. She does.

You're gonna, like the Edward Norton in a heist movie look where you're like, you're gonna do something. I got my eye on you. I'm with you. Vincent Haney, give me all you got a word for overacting. Ned Beatty, come on.

Ned dials it up. Ned's going hard. Full network. Hard. Yeah. Spit flying out of his mouth. Great stuff. Yeah.

Jeddelson Award, which we don't always hang out for the people who are in a different movie. Tate Donovan's in this movie for a couple scenes. I was wondering if Tate kind of had some Dion Waiter's energy because like he's just in, he just has like three lines and you're like, that's, Tate Donovan's not, not a star. He's, it almost seems like his stuff got cut out. Yeah. I don't know why they needed him. Like this is like peak Tate Donovan, right? he's on the OC.

Things are happening for him. He's kind of thrown in. There's this whole FBI subplot thing that they don't really want to get to. And it's kind of its own show. It's almost like they're filming a CBS pilot with Tate Donovan on the side. And they just kind of abandoned it.

So I'm going to give that to him. Dionne Waiter is where it has to be Ned Beatty. He comes in fucking hot. Yeah. He's hit some threes. I like this version of Ned Beatty. I like the evil kind of Dick Cheney thing. He's only in like five.

scenes. I would vote for him unless you guys disagree. No, he's the winner. Recasting couch. I can't believe I'm saying this,

but I kind of wouldn't touch this movie. I like all the casting. What you would do. I mean, I can't really think of like who you would mess around with. You could have a slightly

less creepy Elias Kiteas, you know, person, but I don't know who would be. Wheelchair guy potentially maybe use the back.

guy from Taking 2. Oh, yeah. Just to have him have a nice run there. Have Fass Internet Research. This movie was in development for 12 years. Seven screenwriters took a crack at it. The assassination seeds were filmed at the Independence National Historical Park in front of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

You're welcome. Final scene was at Mammoth, California. Mammoth Lakes. Throughout the film, Swagger uses an array of sniper rifles, but the big one is called the Shaitak M200. It is the Cheyenne Tactical M200 Intervention, which Shea is also available with a long-range rifle system.

It has a laser range finder, night vision capability, weather sensing module. It all interfaces with a run. Gunning Ballistics Calculation Software? This is the Ferrari. What are you talking about? I'm just telling you, it's the Ferrari of sniper rifles. No, I'm reading about this, like, in the whole sniper gun community, the Shatech M200

is a big deal. So there you go. So there's some controversy in here about Walberg uses both eyes as sniper closes either eye. And some people are like not authentic. Other people are like, no, no, he's such a good sniper that he actually has the ability to go with either eye. I don't know where I land, guys. I hate testing. Like, if you close your eye and you're like, we're looking.

And I'm like, it's really scary to find out how bad your weaker eye is. Right. No, it's true. Yeah. So the guy, they used this guy, U.S. Marine Scout sniper, Patrick Garrity, who taught Walberg had to shoot left-handed and right-handed, who taught him how to switch the shooting posture, taught him how to do all the adjustments and all that stuff.

I thought, we all think Walberg, like pretty authentic sniper stuff in this for the most part. So they did a good job. Yeah, he seems like he knows what he's doing. My favorite, definitely seem grounded in reality.

The dumbest thing or the thing that always makes me laugh is when they show the shot of him before he decides to take the mission on when he's shooting the can of soup and he's laying on his belly with a dog. And they show him from the back. And number one, you get to see how tiny he is of like a person.

But number two, his legs are open and his feet are like flat out on the floor. And he just looks like a frog almost. Yeah. And it just makes me very happy that he did it that way. So Nick Memphis goes to precision remotes at some point, that website. It's a real website. Walberg lost 20 pounds for this movie, Chris. I know you love when there's a weight loss for the character.

Which Walberg, he'll do it over and over. who would have given a shit if he was 20 pounds a year. No, he's like, look, he thought a lot about Bob Lee Swagger, what his weight would be, and he's just like, no, I got to lose 20 pounds. Bob Lee Swagger, who's drinking Budweiser at like 11 in the morning and reading the 9-11 commission before, definitely watching his weight. Yeah. Doing some sit-ups.

He went gluten-free on the mountain. The dog was a Bernese Mountain English Mastavex combo. And then in the theatrical trailer, there's a scene that wasn't used in the film where a small jet was blown up via remote control, which I don't know what to make of. I don't know when that happened. Apex Mountain. Walberg, coming this, departed, and then this,

you can make a case. Yeah. This is now, we're officially like, oh, this Wahlberg run is now going to be for another 20 years at this point. Yeah. I think you're probably right. Coming out of holding his own in the departed

and now starting to make more or less $100 million movies every time out. for a couple of years there. It'd be funny to explain to Walberg that his Apex Mountain was Shooter while then taking another 10 minutes to explain to him what Apex Mountain was. Yeah, right.

I guess you could make the argument that maybe Ted is his Apex Mountain because it wasn't isn't that just like a gigantic hit? And didn't he do that right? Yeah, that bought him another 10 years too. Yeah, you're right. Ted probably is. You're right. Good call. Fukuwa. No. No. No.

It has to be training. No, it's executive producing mayor of Kingston. And that. Danny Glover, no. Ned Beatty, no. Sniper movies, I'm going to say yes. I think this is the best sniper movie. This versus sniper, basically, yeah. Yeah, this is a better movie than sniper.

It's sniper for me. I really like sniper. Sniper's amazing. But maybe we're raising the bar for somebody listening to this who's like, oh, that can beat shooter. Homemade IVs, Apex Mountain, Chris? Absolutely. And I had no idea you could do that.

I don't even know, like, at a Philadelphia bodega they had. And she's just like, for sure, I got that stuff. Like, I've never seen anybody have, like, a needle and a tube that you can put into, like, a saline solution. There's like a bike pump, I mean, like a basketball pump needle, too, right? Like, that shit was thick. It was fucking gross. It was thick. He just jammed it in there.

Like, I don't think you hit a vein, sir. I think you just stuck that in your flesh. Philadelphia assassinations. I still go blowout. Let's move to picking nits. I have a bunch of short picking nits here. So in the beginning, they're really just aborting the mission

and leaving those two guys there. I just have slightly more faith in my country and my military than that. That they're just going to throw guys to the side. Whatever. Why would Swagger help Danny Glover and the president when we've already established he's a conspiracy guy and the government let him

down. The movie never answers that at all. Swagger never realizing he's being framed, ridiculous. The blood clot medical stuff and the trunk of the car, I just would love to know how many trunks have that stuff. So I guess that's just like supposed to be a first aid kit and he knows he's taking a government official.

So every FBI car has that apparently. Okay. I don't know if I believe that. Driving into the water working is an escape. We talked about that. Kate Mara, no boyfriend for three years, nothing? Not one local, anybody? Well, she's living in rural Kentucky and teaching third grade, and there's no

nobody. No Raya down there yet. Nothing? But no hinge. Yeah, no serious. I think she hints that there's been like maybe some soft relationship, but nothing serious. Not buying it. Michael Pena, the only character in the entire movie investigating this weird

assassination? Nobody else sees anything wrong with It's like that cool back into the left moment where he's like they had the footage to CNN 12 minutes after already cut together to show the angles. He does a really good job there. It's cool. I love that part. And everybody else is like, cool. You still sound crazy.

It's like, does he? Does he sound crazy? That scene when him and Cape Mara, they figured it out. He's like, we got to use Cape Mara as bait now. They go back to Philly, which is what, another 24-hour. drive or 10 hour drive. She's got a blonde wig. She's now acting and pretending

to be a character and just has the ability to do this, even though she's a third grade school teacher living in rural Kentucky. All of a sudden, Merrill Street. Holly Hunter in the firm. Yeah. And then Walberg, multiple cops come at him

with a German shepherd that somehow he foils everything. Does the move twice where they have the gun to his head. He pretends he's giving up and then gets the gun away. And then the dog somehow miraculously falls over the stairwell and can't get at him. That seems just weird. Interesting element to that where it's like he's, he's the most wanted man on the planet

and he's standing on a street wearing all Eagles regalia. Right. It's not like he's wearing like a nondescript hoodie or something. He's just like, I'm wearing a fucking shiny Philadelphia Eagles jacket and a Philadelphia Eagles hat in Philadelphia. He's back in the scene of the assassination with no disguise at all. Yeah. not even like fake beard

or dies his hair just like Andy reads get back coach I think Fuku was like hey do you think you'd bleach your hair blonde for like you know like two of these scenes and Wobbers like fuck that not doing that the ponytail thing was bad enough

fucking Eagles jacket over here so um there's some stuff on the internet about it would be really hard for the assassination to have hit the archbishop straight on but everybody seems to agree that his head would have just completely blown up and they wouldn't have been able to show that in a movie.

That's why I think you can barely see the assassination. That's all I have for nipicks. We've covered everything else unless you guys have anything. I would just say that for as much as I admire him as a performer and this performance specifically, Danny Glover, about 35 minutes away from the end of this movie just starts pointing all the time. Yeah, that's my favorite thing.

And it's a weird. He hadn't done. the entire rest of the movie, the previous hour and a half. But now in every scene, he just starts pointing and it doesn't make it, there's no reason for it. The one that stands out to me is when he

when they come to see him in the cabin and then they're leaving and he's like, oh, is that the big engine? That car's got the big engine. Let me take a picture. And then they say it later, he took a picture to get the license plate. Like, you know all of this shit. You can't memorize six numbers and letters. I don't know.

I don't know. No, thanks. It's a good point. I also had Danny Glover just repeatedly telling people he always wins. It's fun once, but by the fourth time, we get it. Come up with a different way to prove to everyone you're a dick instead of I always win. I was win. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? Will we have our answer on that?

Yeah. Is that show still on USA? No, it got canceled a while ago. Okay. Probably in answerable questions. We covered the Team K, Team Rooney, and we covered the John Wick thing. We covered a little bit,

why how did Shooter 2 not happen yet? Maybe there's still time. Hopefully someone from Netflix is listening. Just give everybody $100 billion and let's go. I don't know what you're waiting for. It's fucking trending on your thing right now. So the title of this movie, as much as I love Shooter.

It's tough not to name it, swagger. How is it not swagger? Swagger is a better title. And by the way, I think Shooter is like a 9 out of 10 as a title, but Swagger's like a 10 out of 10. The book is called Point of Impact. Do you think that's cool? Not as cool as Swagger.

Shea, what are we doing? I don't know what we're doing. I was going to make an argument that maybe it was because of the Swagger Like Us song that came out, but that was a year later after this. So, I don't know. Should have been called Swagger. All right. We're wrapping up.

I got one more possibly unanswerable question. Yeah. What kind of money is Bob will we working with? Because he does a lot of shopping in this movie. Yeah, he doesn't rob anyone to get more money. You're right. Like if he uses a credit card, obviously, it pings. But like when he goes and also like, isn't it a little alarming when he's at Home Depot

buying all the makings for napalm? Like nobody would have been like, hey, this is weird. I saw this guy on the news and he just. just bought a bunch of explosives. Good point. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I would want the big sniper gun at the end.

I'm going with the ponytail. Oh, the chopped off ponytail? Give me the assassination suicide device that they put in you in. The fuck is that? You can buy that on weird website.com. Who won the movie?

Walberg? But, I mean, I did think about Glover for a split second because I enjoy evil Danny Glover so much, but I think Walberg wins a movie. Yeah, he edges them out at the end. All right, Netflix, please make Shooter 2. Just do it for us. Do it for the three of us. Please, we're begging you.

Study your algorithm, study the traffic. Yeah. Cut the fucking check. Stop putting Wahlberg and Spencer Confidential and all those. Like, put them in fucking Shooter 2. What are we doing? Get Fukuwa. Michael Pena's back.

Let's go. Shooter 2. Shea Serrano. Chris Ryan, a pleasure. As always, this podcast was produced by Craig Horlebeck. Thanks to Dylan Burkey as well. We'll see next week on The Rewatchers.