The Rewatchables - ‘Sideways’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey are not drinking any f---ing Merlot while rewatching Alexander Payne’s 2004 comedy-drama ‘Sideways,’ starring Paul Giamatti, Thomas Haden Church, Virginia Madsen, and Sandra Oh. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's right. You're still cranking that out. Coming up, this podcast is tighter than a nun's asshole. Sideways is next. You are a bad girl. I know I need to be spanked.

Sideways is the best comedy of the year. Oops. This is our week to get crazy. An Academy Award-winning movie. These girls want to party with us. They want to drink Merlot. We're drinking Merlot. I am not drinking Merlot.

Wow. And winner of two Golden Globe Awards, including Best Picture. You're getting married on Saturday. It was a nice way to respond to that. Sideway on the DVD today. All right. Still one-word movie month here on the rewatchables. How's this theme going from?

I think people like it. I think the expectations of what movies we might do are a little off. Yeah. To say the least. Where did it come from? One word movie month? Well, I wanted to do cliffhanger, sideways, and next week's movie. And then I was like, all those have one word.

Yeah. And then that's it. That's how my genius developed. You're just as sharp as you were. Thanks, man. I met you, man. I feel like the vaccine made me like 8% less sharp. You still got it, SG.

Still got it. Vaccine of just not mentally the same. That'd be great if that's, now you're believing it. Yeah. Can't disprove it. This is a great way to start. Thank you. Swing, uh, sideways.

It's funny, did you almost say swingers? It is a spirit. I almost said swingers because it's spiritual sequel. I would have that too. Yes. So. the great movie losers great place to start

this is one of the reasons I love this movie and Swingers is like this too where this guy who's just a loser but you're like I'm rooting for this guy I feel like it might work out for him deep down you know it probably won't what other movies are like this I mean we have like going way back like Midnight Cowboy

where that guy's just a loser it's not going to work out for him but you have these losers with maybe a light at the end of the tunnel and you can maybe see pieces of yourself for other people you know in them. It's a rare thing to pull off, but this movie pulled it off.

I couldn't even think of any other examples. Frato Corleone, you know, there's some guys. The main characters are tough. Frato was running Vegas there for a little bit. He was. He was. banging two cocktail witches at a time.

I think it's, like, also, like, depends on who's playing the loser. Because there's not a ton difference between Miles and, like, some Bill Murray characters. Yeah. But Bill Murray. Oh, that's a good one.

Groundout days. Not Ground Out Day. What's the one we did with Richard Dreyfus? What about Bob? That's another one. He's a loser, yeah. But even his character in Stripes. I mean, his character in Stripes is essentially like getting breaks up with his girlfriend,

loses his job, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, but he's so funny that you're like, oh, man, I'd love to hang out with him. Bill Murray very rarely communicates rage or depression. Miles is so angry and so sad. And that's what makes you think this guy's, he's lost because he keeps saying, he keeps telling everyone that he's lost. So the movie has this, and it has the idea of someone who's a loser, but they have one great thing.

They have one area of expertise. They're one thing that they're just the best at, and they're so bad at everything else, they even throw themselves even more at being the best at this one thing, which is basically how we've created podcast in the last 10 years. That's right.

Expertise in one thing. Chris, one of the hugest losers I've ever known, and then we put them in front of him, like it said, talk about madmen. Talk about TV. Dang. Talk about 80s, action movies. No, but it's, I love how much he loved, He loves wine.

And I think this is one of my favorite movies of the 21st century. I think it's one of the best dramas of the 21st century. I'll fight anyone who thinks differently. And comedies. And it's like a drama, like a drama, comedy, whatever vortex this is in, I don't know how to describe it. But I just love the wine piece. It's no surprise that you love this movie. I mean, you love Midnight Run.

You love like this is, you love swingers. It does a lot of things that. Male friendship movies about two guys who come to a crossroads in their life, often on the road, helps. you know, and the specificity of this movie somehow makes it universal. Like, the more times I watch it later in life, now that I live on the West Coast, now that I've been to that area, now that I even know where he lives in San Diego, basically. Right. It's so cool to rewatch this movie over the course of your life,

especially if you get a chance to be out on the West Coast, but also as you get older and you realize, like, some of the pitches you missed and some of the people you know whose life didn't work out the way they want, or maybe it's you, and maybe you're like, God, man, I have a little bit of miles of me, or I know a Jack or like, you know, I knew a Maya or whatever. Yeah. The choices that they made to make it so detailed and specific make it, it just winds up becoming so universal. I like the point you made about the 80s kind of comedies that it's clearly riffing on.

It's also obviously riffing on the loser dramas of the 1970s, which is like Alexander Payne's, one of his obsessions. Like this is as close as he ever got to a Hal Ashby movie. You know, it's like, this is so close to the last detail. It's unbelievable. It's like one loser and one really disgruntled guy on a trip in the case of the last details. Three guys. But, I mean, they're so similar. He basically says that.

I watched some feature rat or something. He's like, I wanted this to be like basically a 70s movie. And it very much is. Alexander Payne. He does Citizen Ruth election about Schmidt where he works with Nicholson. And then he has this movie sideways in 2004. And then he doesn't work again for another seven years. I just take that personally when good directors just disappear.

I don't really fully understand that. Some of the, some directors love to work all the time. We've talked about this. What's up with that? Yeah, what's up with that? In that time, a couple of things happened. One, he did a lot of screenplay for higher stuff and polish work to make a lot of money, in part because he had won the Academy Award for screenplay for Sideways. You got divorced.

He got to, he was married to Sandra O, who's in this film, and then they split up. But he spent five years with Jim Taylor as writing partner trying to develop... downsizing, which eventually came out in 2017, but had been in development for a long, long, long, long time. It was this very ambitious idea for a movie. And it's weird. I mean, he's, I think he's only made seven movies. He's considered by many people to be one of the most revered directors of the last 30 years, but he's only made seven movies. It's a very shortly, he has one coming out later this year, actually. He's one of the few directors that, no matter what director you could have on the big picture, all of them would really respect and revere this guy, right? You could

have Tarantino, you could have Jason Wrightman, name a director. They'd be like, that, That fucking guy is on my corner. Yes. Anytime he releases something I'm seeing. Wides respected writer-director, too. Somebody who really knows how to, is great with character, is great with story arc. As funny, is dramatic.

This movie is very different, though, I think, from who he was becoming. Like, his first three films are really biting and sarcastic and satirical. This movie has a lot of heart. And it's like, it's sentimental in a way that I think is one of the reasons why it was so successful in such a hit. Because even when it's at its most bitter, you're still hopeful for Miles or for Jack or for Maya or whoever. So it's a little bit of a turn for him and I think that's part of the reason why he showed that he wasn't just the angry, delude, like, you know, frustrated, bitter satire guy.

He was something deeper than that. He has this really good quote. This is from around the time of Sideways, I think, where he said, we draw from, he's talking about him and Taylor, we draw from life, not from other movies. Even though we're all big movie buffs, when it comes time to make a movie, our challenge is to get some version of the real planet onto film, not a carbon copy. of elements taken from other films. And I think that that's very self-aggrandizing, but it's kind of true. Like, when you watch Alexander Payne movies,

they don't necessarily feel like other movies. I mean, you can say it's like, it feels like a Cassavetti's movie or it feels like this. But the people in them are really inimitable and recognizable. Yeah. This came out in 2004, so it's 19 years ago. So I was in my early 30s when I saw it. Now I'm in my early 50s.

and I feel like I've experienced it the exact same way over the last 20 years where it's just like the same thing's hit but you saw it you were younger when you first saw it so how has it changed for you

as over the last 20 years I mean I'm at the place now where these guys are in the movie for the most part I mean maybe they're a few years younger than me in the movie than I am right now they're like early 40s

yeah yeah but I mean Jimati is like in his mid 30s when he made this movie he's meant to be like 42 but yeah I mean I I thought what Chris said was very wise

which is that you think about yourself and also the people people that you know and have been close to or have known over the years who, like, they just, they missed something. Like, they just, they missed an opportunity or they didn't fulfill some feeling that they were going to be bigger than they were, or maybe somebody got bigger than they expected to be. Like, Jack is an interesting counterpoint to Miles because he was really hot at a young age. And then it's been this kind of slow descent for him, but he's not as angsty about it.

He doesn't seem as frustrated. He's got that voice actor career. So, yeah. There are just guys who land on. their feet and then there are guys who don't you know and and miles is obviously somebody doesn't land on his feet but he's also somebody who's like too delicate for the world so any any information that comes his way that's in any way bad he takes wrong like he you know i i just think so much about like when he starts to hear the bad news about the wedding from jack and he's just

like slowly melting down until the point where he grabs the bottle and it's like that guy just can't take reality you know and we all know people like that you know what this movie also did for me is i recall seeing it for the first time, it's probably 22 when it came out. It's one of those films, and there are a lot of films like this that teach you don't try to write a novel. Like, I'm not a failed novelist.

I never tried to write a novel. I was never interested in that personally. And a movie like this can be very influential in that way, where you're sort of like, don't end up like this guy. You know what I mean? Find something that works for you that makes sense that you can still be successful, but don't reach for something that feels

maybe beyond you. And part of the reason for me I just, I didn't think I was, I could do it. I never had enough interest in it. You got a novel in your, in your drawer, BS? Oh yeah. Yeah? The spit bucket scene when he drinks the spit bucket. I don't get a, get a, get a day after yesterday, part two?

When they go to the beach, the day after yesterday. Bill Russell's rise? Isn't the day after yesterday today? Yeah. That's a great line. He says when they're at the beach after the spit bucket scene and he says, the world doesn't give a shit what I have to say, I'm unnecessary. And then he says half my life is over.

I have nothing to show for it. Nothing. I'm the thumbprint on the window of a skyscraper. Yeah. This is, this resonated with me more, I think, in 2004 than now because I'm older. You know, we've done a lot of good stuff.

But I remember, like, in my 20s, having a real fear that nothing was going to happen for me and that I was going to be, like, 40. And every swing I took didn't work. And really, like, I was 28. And I was bar-tank. and you start to think, I'm going to be 30 in two years. I've done shit.

Yeah. Like, am I going to be a fucking loser? And that beach scene, I always thought that's such, I've never seen that in a movie captured better where this guy's just like, my novel sucks. I'm going to be an eighth grade teacher.

That's just who I am. There are a lot of things that separate you in Miles, but, no, but that's, you have better facial hair. But like, what's clear when you watch this movie

is that he should move to Los Alivos and just do wine. That's the thing he's good at. And he can't see it. He wants to be like a novice. And it's like, this is what you're great at. You never could miscast yourself and he's miscast himself.

He's also just never going to be, he's not a happy person. And like that's what's so incredible, I don't want to step all over it. But what's incredible about the end of the movie is this isn't just a guy who's chosen to be this way. Right.

You hear in the answer machine message that describes the action of the novel that is essentially an autobiology. about all the pain that this guy has experienced over the course of his life that's led him to this place where he can't allow himself happiness or love. There's some parallel universe stuff.

It goes back and forth. It just sounds like the worst novel ever. It's a wrong-gray, non-ending. I don't think, I don't really think the day after yesterday is probably a good. It's also like 750 pages. It's more than 750. He's like, did you get to, you mean

after page 750? The funniest, one of the funniest, like, sneaky parts. when he's like, I've got the book for you. And she's like, oh, great. And he brings this whole printer box. She's like, oh, thanks. And he's like, hold on.

And it's two full printer boxes, which is like a thousand pages. Yes. Yeah. And unless you're writing it. I don't really. It sounds like he wrote like a William Gaddisnott. Yeah. You know, this sort of like existential anti-fiction about his own life, which is, I mean,

that sounds horrible, horrible. Like, it sounds so unreadable. But I think, I think you're right, Chris. I think he has no idea how to process his own pain. and this is the only thing he can think of. But it's not what's going to make him most successful because when you hear him talk about wine, he's touched, he's blessed.

He gets it. I mean, he's pretentious and ridiculous, but he's also really, really gifted at it. So hopefully he leans into it. And we've had a lot of success in the Grant Lambringer universe with people who have followed like some sort of passion and those are always the people that succeed with us.

Absolutely. If we could fast forward to today, Miles would have a wine pot on the Ringer podcast network. Yeah. Yeah. Craig would have a fantasy football pot Oh no you do actually sorry about that Craig Quaffable would that be the name of Miles's pod

I do feel like Miles would have had a good wine podcast Maybe that should have been the sideways sequel He's now like this successful wine podcast The thing about him that is such a great character Treat as a fictional character Maybe not as like a good hang Is that I don't think he would be good at the wine store Because he would be like you shouldn't fucking buy this piece of shit

Yeah, he's almost too real. He wouldn't be able to play the game. He's a snob. But he should write for Wine Spectator. I mean, that's what he should be doing. Yeah. He'd be good at that.

His podcast would have been great. Yeah. And he would have had like Jack come on and just Jack trying. Jack would have been like his funny sidekick. There's a lot of wine stuff with this movie. I should say this is one of my mom's top five favorite movies. I was going to ask you about that.

One of our only normal favorite movies? What are the other? Well, you know, she loves like fucking breathless with Richard Gear in nine and half weeks, and she's a maniac. What's wrong with that? She loves this movie. This movie had a dramatic impact on wine. Yeah. It really did.

And kind of a sneaky impact that I didn't even really fully know about until I did all the research about how it's blamed for kind of killing Merlot. People still drink Merlot. But Pinot goes through the roof. Pinot goes through the roof. And Pinot goes to the roof to the point that, you know, he talks about it in the movie, like how it's a special grape. I used to work in a wine bistro. I was a big wine person because of my mom. And it was always Cabernet, Cabernet, Cabernet, and then it was like Pino and Soros over here. This movie completely changed Pino, but it changed it to the point that they didn't have enough

grapes to make the good Pino. So it kind of ended up diluting the product for years and making, in a weird way, Pinoir worse. There were still like good ones, but then a lot of people try to jump on the train. Overproduction. And people kind of in the market that weren't there but you know merlo became like a fucking punchline yeah now it's kind of on the way back a little bit I think it's that Merlo's probably a little underrated now

but I can't think of another movie that just completely changed an entire industry honestly the closest comparison and it was not as long lasting the closest comparison I have swingers and swing dancing where it's like swingers comes out swingers in Vegas yeah yeah

you know what that's good that's a good point the swingers yeah it affected two things yeah we saw it more happened in the 90s, but... It reminds me a little bit of the American Jiggle of conversation around Gucci and around lifestyle in a way that something could really influence the way you think about things. I mean, I'm sure that this did this for me because growing up, I was, you know, my family, I've come from an Irish beer drinking family, and, you know, I don't really recall my parents drinking wine that much. My father drinks a lot of wine now, but when I was a kid,

I don't think so. But by the time we moved out here, and Chris, we were right around the same time, Los Alivas was the easiest local destination to go on a weekend vacation. You know, Chris and I have been to Santinas probably five or six times. We've been to many of the places that are in this movie. And when you get out there, by the time we got out there, which is probably eight or nine years after this movie came out, it's all Pino. And it's like it's accepted that that is the dominant wine of the region.

And that that's what they're selling in every restaurant and at every tasting room. There has to be at least one Pino on the menu. It's interesting to imagine a world in which one successful, but still modest movie, could completely redefine how a, how her region's economy works. It's pretty cool. I want to come back

in another lifetime as a wine podcaster and just be like, today, Sarah, still underrated. It's coming up next. Wine Power Rankings is a great segment. You should introduce that

on the BS podcast. Serra is totally underrated. Look at you. I'm a huge peanut. I have no idea. It's such a palate. What are you talking about? Because you're usually like a,

like a wheat beer guy, right? It used to be one of my secret, like, real talents, but I think over the years, you can lose your palate. Oh, for sure. Blow it out with all, coffee.

all those cancer sticks you and I were smoking way back when. Doesn't stop Maya. Coffee kills one palette. I liked that for just a quick second, like the little Boston came out and you were just like, Kansas sticks. You think you got a better palette than me? I used to have a really good palette.

I don't have it as good anymore. My mom still has it. But I've been around people that can, like what he does in the movie, where they can smell the glass and smell like five things. And it's so funny because Jack is just, Like, it's no idea what's going to have. What the fuck you're talking about? Yeah.

But, you know, this movie had a dramatic impact on a couple of wine, actual, like, wines. Like, the sea smoke. So I have to tell this story only because my mom's listening to this one. She doesn't always listen to The rewatchables. But my mom, the wines in this movie, it was Seas Smoke. Kisler was a big one. These are all, like, some of the best. Like, if you ever see them on a menu?

when you want to splurge like see C. C. C. C. C. Slough. Those are just like killer wines. But my mom saw this C smoke and it was the only one she didn't see it. My mom's like at the highest level of just following the shit. She's like, what is this? So when we got it on VHS or pay-per-view or whatever, she made me freeze frame it. She's like, C-smoke. Okay. And she hunts it down. She did a mailing list thing.

And she was, it was like one of the last years you could get on the C-Smoke mailing list. and my mom gets these cases of sea smoke every year. And you can't like can't get on the list. It's like one of like her great achievements. But this movie, it was almost like if somebody did a basketball card movie and they were like, here are these two sets you should have. And nobody knew about the sets.

And then the cards jumped. So within the wine community, I think just like the fact that the wines that he picked were like dead on, which goes back to the Alexander Pain conversation. Like he's going into this world. He's doing it correctly. And the other thing he does is he didn't use, like, you know, super famous actors. No.

And he talks about that. We'll talk. There's a great casting what if with this, but he wants, like, realistic people that you feel like you're discovering them. Like, no, who else cast Gi-Amati as the lead of this? Well, he had done American Splendor, right? He had just done American Splendor the year previous. And, you know, I think he was pretty well established as an elite character actor at

this point, but definitely not as a leaning man. And even in American Splendor, it's like, wow, they put Paul Giamati in an elite role because he's playing one of the all-time losers in a hard. P-Kar. This is different. This is a movie that, like, you know, not to step on it, but, like, Clooney wanted to be in. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was a celebrated script before it was made.

Just did step on it. Jesus Christ. God. Not to step on it, but yeah, let's talk about that. So that, the big casting, what if in this is, Clooney loves this script. It's a book that, the book story

is interesting, too. This is this guy, Rex Pickett wrote a novel called Sideways, which my mom claims is an awesome book. Yeah. And the book's never published. Somehow Payne gets a copy of it like four years before it comes out. And he's like, this is great, I want to make a movie out of it. And the book is published like only a couple months before the movie comes out.

Because that's how long it took for it to get published. But pain... I think one of the... I think the only thing they got to publish was Payne decided to make a movie out of it. The fact that they were actually making the movie. He had been rejected like a hundred times or something. And then finally, I think he got it to the... producer Michael London and he was like the guy he read it optioned it and not for much money and

then finally like Payne came aboard and then Payne was going to do a different movie and wound up changing his mind and going back to sideways and making that so Clooney somehow finds out about it it desperately wants to be in it and it's really important to point out that Clooney is a massive a plus yeah this is post to this is postocean's 11 yeah this is when like Kimmel show launched in 2003, January. Clooney, we got as the first guest, and it was like the biggest possible get. There was no other bigger movie star to get

in 2003, and this is when he wants through the movie. And Payne's like, eh, I don't think you're right. But it ends up putting him in the Descendant seven years later. Incredible flex. If Clooney's in this movie in the Geomotic character, it doesn't work.

It's still good. So is he up for Miles or Jack? He wanted to be Miles. Yeah. I thought he was up for Jack. I can't remember which one it was. If he's Jack, I'm in on Jack. From my research, I thought it was Miles. I think in either one, he's too big.

I think it might have worked. So I went on this whole rabbit hole in my brain of like, Clooney is Jack. Why wouldn't this work? He's too hot. Way too handsome. But Clooney's always Clooney. Yeah.

But actually, he needed a part like Jack. This would have been great for his career to just play somebody completely off being bad. I think he eventually wins an Oscar to do it. by doing that with Sieriana. Like, I mean, like, he, he, it's kind of a bogus Oscar. But I'm just, but that was a very self-consciously, like, I'm gonna gain some weight and be like,

put my back and be like, I'm gonna Zach, right. The thing that's so funny is that there is a world in which Clooney literally was Jack, like he was a TV actor. Before ER, he was just like the handyman on Golden Girls or whatever and like kind of going through his career. I think he could have crushed Jack. I think he could have been 15 pounds.

Maybe I had some facial hair, but still been handsome. and just tried it. But I'm also glad he didn't do it because I love Thomas A. St. I think. It just would have been a little distracting, I think. You think? Yeah.

You would never gotten used to it? I don't think so. He's just, I mean, maybe I'm just speaking with 20 more years of experience with Clooney, but his wattage is so strong. And the regularness, the specificity that Chris was talking about is such a huge part of this.

It would have been hard to believe. Like with Thomas Staten Church when you're watching it, it exactly reflects his career. Yeah. So that's, it makes you, it lets you hook. into his character even more. One other thing that it did

was you guys talked about the trips to San Anez in that whole area and the hitching post became like a place. Anyone who lives out here is like we got to go down there it's like you feel like you have to go to the hitching post. And in the same way that it kind of had such a huge effect on Pino, like I've apparently

for a long time after Sideways, like you just couldn't get into the hitching post. You know, because the idea of him sitting at the hitching post and like casually having a burger and chilling out. It's like, you can't do that. Good luck. It's just mob there now, yeah.

Ten years later. They had like, oh yeah, they had a 10 year anniversary thing for the movie. And this guy, a lot of people went, including the owner, Frank. He said, our wine sales doubled, restaurant revenue quadrupled, and we were able to get an air conditioner. Thank you, Alexander. That was his speech of a thing. This is also a crazy Oscar year.

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Learn more at Welles. Fargo.com forward slash active cash terms of play. All right. So 2004, which became the 2005 Oscars, is this is just one of the weirdest movie years ever. You have million dollar baby winning four of the six majors. You have Clint Eastwood winning over Alexander Payne and Martin Scorsese for the aviator. I just don't think that happens again. You've Kate Blanchett winning for the aviator as,

Doing basically a Catherine Hepburn impersonation, I guess it's fine because she should have two Oscars, but it's just really weird that she won for that movie. She might have a third shortly. Yeah. You have a, oh, definitely. She has, you have a career achievement award for Morgan Friedman,

a million-dollar baby, where I think people are like, you know what, he should have one. Yep. You have closer, got two nominations, which is just bad shit crazy. You have Ray got nominated for Best Movie, which I think is insane.

That's the Jamie Fox year. That's right. You have the winners where Million Dollar Baby wins picture, director, best actress, and best supporting actor, and Jamie Fox wins for Ray. Movies that got shut out, Chris Ryan.

Collateral? Man on fire? Before sunset. That's a crime, but yeah. I think before sunset and Eternal Sunshine are the two to me that I'm like, this is insane. These are two of the best romances.

Shut out. Popular movies from that year. Born supremacy. Eternal one original screenplay, but it's not nominated for best picture. Popular movies, born supremacy, anchorman, Kill Bill Volume 2, Garden State, The Notebook, Mean Girls, Napoleon Dynamite, Saw, Dodgeball, 51st Dates, Passion of the Christ, Friday Night Lights, Oceans 12,

The Grudge, 13 going on 30, meet the Fockers, and along came Polly. That's the box office? All came out in 2004. Two other really weird ones. Farenthight 9-11. Huge, huge movie at the time. And Passion of the Christ. All right.

Which is also huge. That was kind of like sideways for Jesus, you know? Sure. It had that impact. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. Got a big bump in Bible sales. So, in a weird way, kind of a great movie year from like a pop culture standpoint.

Just a bad Oscar year. And a horrible Oscar year. Really bad. You could have taken whatever the first five movies you just listed as the popular ones and put them in the best picture and you would have been like, that's a cool best picture category you know, like, best picture Million Dollar Baby, the Aviator, Finding Neverland,

Ray and Sideways. Just bizarre. Finding Neverland. Sheesh. Mike Lee got nominated for Vera Drake. I don't even remember. What was Vera Drake? I don't even think I saw that movie.

It's a woman of... Emelda Staunton does abortions. Yeah, she does illegal abortions in England in the mid-century. Was that a comedy or no? It was not a comedy. It's a good movie. It's a good movie.

but it's dark. What are your very Drake thoughts, Craig? Not a ton. Never saw it? No. It's been a minute since you've watched it. When are we getting Mike Lee on the rewatchables? What do you think?

He's got spare time. He can't get a movie movie. What, that Turner movie with Timothy Spall? Oh, you mean doing a Mike Lee movie? I thought you meant to have Mike Leon to do the remand on fire. Secrets and lies. The remand on fire, be great. You get him to the refugitive.

So another weird thing was Sideways. Thomas Hayden Church gets nominated and Virginia Madsen gets nominated and she should have gotten nominated and she should have won. I'll put the Virginia Madsen against our girl Kate anytime. But Giumati not nominated. It's crazy. Our nominee is Don Cheeto Hotel Ronda. He's actually good in that. Johnny Depp and Finding Neverland?

I don't know what the fuck happened on that. Decaprey on the aviator. Fine. Eastwood, a million dollar baby. I just don't understand that at all. And then Fox for Ray. A million-dollar baby thing, I'd just be like one of the seven last things I say on my grave. Like, I don't know what happened with this.

Million dollar, billion-dollar baby should be the last rewatchable. Literally. It's going to end the podcast. Should be the last podcast. So here's what happened. Finding Neverland is Miramax at the height of Harvey Weinstein's power. And he campaigns the hell out of a movie that nobody really liked very much, but ended up getting a lot of nominations. It's not good.

A million-dollar baby was the last movie released in this year. And a lot of people didn't see it. And so it did not win a lot in the precursors because not a lot of people had seen it. Sideways and Paul Giamatti and the screenplay for Sideways dominated everything in the run-up to this. Giammadi was nominated for SAG, BAFTA, Golden Globe, all that stuff. And no Oscar nomination because he was replaced by Clint Eastwood for Best Actor in Million Dollar Baby. Clint Eastwood, who just is Clint Eastwood. And who had cleaned up already in Unforgiven and everything.

It's because he cried a million-dollar baby. That's why people are like, plenty of store cried? You can't, you cannot overstate though, the like shattering, like holy fuck, you know,

ending, twist, whatever, $1 million dollar baby where in the theater people were just like, I just watched, somebody just shot my dog in the face. You know,

like it was very, whether you liked it or not, whether you thought it was powerful or not. I disliked it. It was a talking point. I saw it in the grove and stormed out with my, with my wife.

I'm like, what the fuck? What are they doing? I remember thinking it was very manipulative at the time. But the move on the A huge hit. It was a huge hit.

It's bullshit. Sideways did win for Best Adapted, but was nominated for picture director, sporting actor, supporting actress. It did not win any of those. It was a big independent spirits kind of spirit awards kind of movie. Also, it swept everything for screenplay. It's like one of the rarest achievements, the big four critic awards and then wins everything going through.

Really weird. I feel like this was just a weird stretch for the Oscars. It's also just, I mean, like, whenever I think about this movie. It's like that sweet spot of like the $15 million budget that makes $75, $80 million. Yeah, it's like almost the end of an era. Yeah. If you redid this, Sean, would this win best picture for you? Of the nominees or of the year?

Just of the year. I mean, there are a lot of movies that I, of the nominee, just of the year? Yeah. No. Like, Kill Bill volume two is like way better to me than this movie. There's no chance Kill Bill is ever winning. Are you asking us what movie we like more or not saying what should have won? knowing what we know about the Oscars

Because we know Kill Bill Volume 2 is never winning us To me it's more surprising that the aviator didn't win Like that is the one that usually wins Which it's like Yeah And it's before the departed so it's They give Scorsese belatedly

The awards that he deserves for a movie That nobody loves It turns like what ifs It is surprising although I guess now in retrospect Not that Cruz didn't get nominated for collateral Oh yeah Bad Guy Turn You know

Was this before It's before everything went crazy, right? With him? Yeah, before War the world. Who did a better job directing a movie that you're, Taylor Hackford and Ray or Michael Mann and Collateral? I mean, no question, Michael Mann.

And you know how we feel about Taylor Hackford. We love Taylor Hackford. He's our guy. But come on, even he would admit. Collateral is sick, I just want to say. I stand with you guys on this day on that Michael Man film. I love that one.

Just on this day, though. Well, some days you guys are a little too far in on man than I am. You're like, or not too far, but you're further in the ocean than I am. Would you consider... Is fucking careful, don't. Is Black Hat one word?

It can be. It is one word in the film. It is? Oh, shit. Oh, no. I changed my plans for the end of January. $60 million budget for Sideways made $109.7 million. In the least surprising moment of this podcast, our guy, Raj, fucking loved this movie.

Crushed it. God damn it. It hits a lot of check marks for him. He says, what happens during the seven days adds up to the best human comedy of the year. Comedy because it's funny and human because it's surprisingly moving. I guess it is more of a comedy than a drama. I don't know. It's both. I think it's both. He says the characters are played not by the first actors you would think of casting, but by actors who will prevent you from ever being able to imagine anyone else in their roles.

It's well put. I thought that was great. And I totally agree. This is one of Payne's talents is he's able over and over again to put people. And that's why downsizing, it was hard to separate Damon from the movie. I was reading about who was originally supposed to be cast in that recently, and it was wildly different. Rees Witherspoon was supposed to be the Kristen Whig character and someone very different from Matt Damon.

I can't remember who it is right now, but I was like, oh, wow, maybe this movie actually works better. But his ability to spot Hong Chow was like, that's just got that eye. He's always been, I'm putting Bruce Dern in Nebraska, He's got the gift with that one. Most rewatchable scene. Tough because this is a whole movie.

I really had trouble. But I like when they go to the hitching post day one where we get the tighter than a nun's asshole. We see Maya for the first time. Oh, this is my friend Jack, Jack, Maya. Hi, yeah? Hi. Well, it's good to see you.

Bye, Miles. Oh, back to work. Jesus, she's jamming. And she's obviously into you. What else do you know about it? Well, she does know a lot about wine. Ah, now we're getting somewhere. She likes Pino.

Perfect? She's a fucking waitress in Boulton, Jack. How is that ever going to work out? You dick. Why do you have to focus on the negative? See how friendly she wants to you? She works for tips. She's flirting with him, and Jack, that's when Jack's like,

you got to work that, man. G-Mas. She's working for tips. It's funny because, like, Virginia Madsen, she's a beautiful woman, but it's like, Jack is, like,

acting like it's the barstool smoke show of the day. Yeah, he's like, Jenna James. Yeah. Um, they go to the bar, Maya sits down. This is when she wants CR's heart.

Smoking American spirit. Put the fucking ashtray and the American spirits right on there. And then she's like, can I come over and smoke with you guys? Yeah. The CR would have been like, yes. Where's Madsen and the Dana Wheeler, Nicholas, and all of him?

She's fantastic. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, I think that she's... No more adjective? She is very high for this guy. Yeah. Yeah, she's beautiful.

Yeah. Also, like, a little like Jennifer Connolly for me, like late 80s, early 90s, it seemed like she was actually going to be a bigger star than she was, which is why I think for this movie, she's so perfect. Because Maya's clearly, like, something in her life didn't work out, right? but she's still... But Melanie Griffith can't be there. No, yeah, yeah.

It's got... But it's kind of like married whatever her career was at that point in time. Where it's like... Definitely. Oh, yeah, this woman still got it. She can still, like, get this together

and she's still gorgeous and, you know, but why is she working at the hitching post? And almost, I mean, very few opportunities to have a part like this in her career. You know, she was like more bombshelly at the beginning of her career and was in, you know, Candyman and some well-known movies in the 90s.

never got the chance to do the monologue, you know, the conversation about back with the two of them. So, she's a really good actress and, you know, especially... Connolly could have done this too. Yeah, definitely. Although she's like, uh, like, statuesque striking. Yeah, you're just like, that's... But she would have slummed it down, no makeup.

I think she could have done it. There's something like... I say this with love, like, momish about Virginia Madsen in this movie. She's like, you can see she's in her 40s. You know, not in a bad way, but she's in her 40s. Whereas, like, Jennifer Connolly in her late 50s in Top Gun Maverick, I was like, Is she 32?

You know, like she still is so perfect looking. God, she was unbelievable. What a legend. She was a legend. What a legend. God damn. The split screen wine tasting into the guys meeting Stephanie. Do you happen to know a gal named Maya that works at the Hitchie House?

Yeah, sure. Yeah, I know Maya. Yeah, no shit. Yeah. Oh, we had a drink with her last night. Miles knows her. Can we move on to the sororite, please? Jumping at the beach.

been, huh? Sure. This is our estate, sirrah. You are a bad, bad girl, Stephanie. I know I need to be spanked. Excuse me. Yeah, that's San Jose's character. And Jack kind of senses it immediately.

Those kind of people can sense who the other naughty people are, and he's like, you are a bad bad. Bad girl. There's just like always a guy who just talks to waiters like that. And it's just like, yeah, I will have bread with that. I loved it so much. And she's like, why, I think I need to be spanked. And she walks away.

It's like, oh, no, it's on with these two. Yeah. Are we giving that the Great Shot Order Award for most cinematic shot, the split screen? Or would you go for like when they go on the picnic? I have the picnic. Yeah, picnic's pretty great. This picnic is beautiful. Yeah.

Yeah, I like that one too. Or they're sitting on their car, you know, where you're talking. talking about that scene. Oh, at the beach. Sean, what happened to split screen? It felt like... Okay, so I'll tell you what I think

he's doing in this movie. 70s? Hal Ashby, his hero, who helped invent that style in the Thomas Crown Affair when he was working as an editor. So that's like one of the things that he pioneered

and Payne is always talking about Ashby and it feels like a direct homage that kind of thing that Ashby used to do. I love how like, when the moments in this movie where it's like going good, it's almost happening in a movie.

Like he takes you out of it. It's like the fun jazz is playing and it goes split screen and then there's always a sharp come down because it reflects what it's like to be drinking, right? Like you're like, oh, I couldn't get any better than this. We're eating artichokes and drinking wine and a picnic. Two hours later you're out of cigarettes.

Or two hours later he said the wrong thing and somebody's getting hit in the face with a motorcycle helmet. Our girl, Amy Scott, did a great documentary about Hal Ashby so the rewatchable's nerds. If you want to know more about Hal Ashby, there's an awesome Really good movie.

A documentary about him. The Los Alivo's dinner scene. The drunk dial? Yeah. It's like a horror movie. Starts out with him outside. I'm not drinking any fucking Merlot! Which is so fucking funny.

Do not sabotage me. If you want to be a fucking lightweight, then that's your call. But do not sabotage me. Oh, aye, aye, captain, you got it. And if they want to drink Merlot, we're drinking Merlot. No, if anybody orders Malo, I'm leaving. I am not drinking any fucking Merlot.

Okay, okay. Relax, Miles. Jesus, no more low. Did you bring your Xanax? This gets the big cahuna burger word for best use of food to drink as well. Apparently, a lot of the dialogue was just improvised. Yeah, they were drinking and just kind of farting around. They weren't drinking real wine.

They're all getting sick from like the grape juice or whatever. And he gets this tidbit about his ex getting remarried. And the way they do that payphone thing is so good and so well directed and so well thought out where you can hear the phone ringing like a minute before he calls and it just zooms in on him. And it's like just watching somebody have a psychotic break. You love that CR.

Yeah, it's incredible. It's so, it's, it's really cringe, but it's incredible. Very similar to the Mikey Swingers. Don't call her. Yeah. No, don't leave the message again. You know exactly where it's going and it's nowhere good.

Again, he's great. He's not nominated. What the fuck is going on? He's so good. It's so weird. He's so good in this movie that when it took off for him again with like, John Adams and billions that wasn't surprising.

The guy was so freaking talented. Also, it's just such an amazing depiction of like there's certain people that like when they start drinking, it's pulling the pin out of the grenade. And it's just like it's just a matter of when, not if. And it's to watch that happen in real time.

And yeah, it's chilling. The four wines we see in this scene doing this for my mom. The Whickcraft granary. Why is it your mom here? I invited her. Did you really? Because it's like one of my...

She said, I've only done one podcast ever. was for your 50th birthday. I'm never to be on again. It's also one of the greatest podcast ever. And I was like, everybody loved that podcast. It's my favorite ever.

And I was like, you could come on. It would be amazing. You talk about the wine. We'll drink wine during the pod. She's like, no, no thanks. Wittcraft. Whitcraft Winery,

2001 Pino-N-N-Ware. The C-Smoke Botella, 2001. Kistler Pino-N-N-War. Kistler is just like, it's just blind. It's like just going to, If you see Kish

is going to be in town just go fucking see him Don't even think about it Just pay for it The yokech of wine Yokage of wine Kisler Kisler. Kisler

Flowers is like Embed Kisler's like Yokage Prone to injury Failing in the big spot Flowers? No, flowers really good Kisler is just like Couldn't even get a reaction

at the CR from that Take a stray shot at Embed Embed he blanked me completely He's so all the Philly stuff He's just got such tough skin over him right now And the Pallard Pollard premiered crew was the last one I didn't say

what year. So those were the four. Wincraft Rinery though. I don't know what happened to that one. I've never seen that. Did you ever try to get the sideways wines? Oh, the sea smoke and kisser, yeah. We're on the mailing list for it. The sea smoke's like, you've had the sea smoke at my house. You just didn't realize that. I have a bottle in my house from you. Yeah, sea smoke.

All right. Mine in my house in the kitchen on the porch. This is about as good as you're going to do with drama for seven, eight minutes here. Yeah. This is the scene. This is the one. Should we play one of these?

Can we open? Can we open one of these? And Sandro says, you can open the, don't open the Richborg. And Geo-Pyrethes it, like, Richbork? She has a Richborg?

I totally underestimated Stephanie. Great name drops. 88 Sasakia. Sassakia is like, that's like fucking Bill Russell. Andrew Murray He was in no way prepared for fucking Somelier Simmons

But the wine bottle team I mean this It goes back Yeah Yeah I've dropped the hints over the years 61 Cheval Blanc Like a Bob Cousy

Okay So he couldn't play against today's players Maybe Well you couldn't drink it anymore Yeah It actually When all the other wines were like plumbers You know and taxi drivers

Jay J.J Reddick's like shitting on it Yeah 10 years ago Plumbers We get in this scene, so we get all these wine drops. We get Miles describing the day after yesterday. It jumps around a lot. That's what it's about, in a way.

You know what I mean? And you start to see everything from born and view of the father and a lot of other things happen. Parallel narratives, kind of a mess. And then eventually the whole thing sort of evolves or devolves into this sort of rub-gris mystery, you know? but no real resolution. This is one of the funniest 45 seconds.

Parallin narratives. It's kind of a mess. It's great. And then we get, Why are you so into Pino? Why are you so into Pino? I mean, it's like a thing with you. I don't know.

I don't know. It's a hard grape to grow. As you know, right? It's a, it's thin, skin temper metal ripens early. It's, you know, it's not a survivor like Camernay, which can just grow anywhere and thrive even when it's neglected. No, Pino needs constant care and attention. You know, and in fact, it can only grow in these really specific little tucked away corners of the world. And only the most patient end nurturing of growing.

can do it, really. I don't think somebody really takes the time to understand Pino's potential can then coax it into its fullest expression. Then, I mean,

flavors, they're just the most haunting and brilliant and thrilling and subtle and ancient on the planet. And it's just fucking incredible. It's like, I don't think I would ever write a script, but if you read a script

and you're trying to do this side, but you have to have, like, a fucking awesome monologue in it. Pain gets mad about the monologue, like, and some of the things, like, it's good. It's not that good. I think it's amazing. It's very good. The more I liked what it made me think about.

Like what? Like what a fraud he was. No, I mean... I like to think about the life of wine, how it's a living thing. I like to think about what was going on the year the grapes were growing. How the sun was shining if it rained. I like to think about all the people who tended and picked the grapes. And if it's an old wine, how many of them must be dead by now?

I like how wine continues to evolve. Like, if I opened a bottle of wine today, it would taste different than if I'd opened it on any other day. Because a bottle of wine is actually alive, and it's constantly evolving and gaining complexity. That is, until it peaks. Like you're 61. And it begins, it's steady. inevitable decline. That's the rare, rare thing

is where you see one actor get the sort of spotlight scene and it's like, apparently in several versions of the script because I read this long interview with Rex Pickett last night, there's no response from Maya. She's just like, oh wow, or oh, oh.

And he says that he kept saying like, she should say something here. Like Rex Pickett was like, she should say something. And Payne on the third draft sends it back and it's just the Maya speech and he's like, holy shit, you know, and so it's like a really cool, like... It's very written, though.

And if the performance isn't good, you'd be able to feel that. It's physical attacking. Yes, and they're both so keyed in. Her performance is incredible in that scene. And one of the things I love about it is you see him falling in love with her over the course of like 40 seconds.

Yeah. Where he's just like, I can't believe this human being exists. where I just never I never imagine that this person Well because he underestimates people And then of course he fucks it up immediately

Yeah That seems awesome I could watch that one over and over again That's gonna win for me I'm just telling you now Okay For you is it the Large naked man racing out of his house

No I just I have that coming up I have Miles drinks to spit bucket In the beach And that whole thing We already talked about that Stealing back the wallet It is an all-time amazing. So funny.

What the fuck is going on that scene? So funny. Like, you need, in a comedy, you need one crazy scene like that. But a movie, that's the genius of the movie, right? Is that the movie can have that sequence and it can have the back porch sequence. Yeah. And having those two things together, two totally different tones, two totally different kinds of movies that he makes coherent. Yeah.

Great crank on the fat guy. Oh, yeah. MC Ganey. Yeah. It didn't even really seem like he fluffed himself before him. He's fucking slinging, slinging meat. Yeah. He seemed very comfortable in the environment.

Yeah. It's funny that he's also just like, it's not just like you're full frontal, but he's like, I'm gonna need you to throw your cock right into the driver's side. And Ganey's like, you need another one?

I'm fully circulated. I also like M.C. Gany's like, I'm gonna be completely naked at a movie a month from now. Should I go on like a powder diet? Nope. No, if I can crank it out. He's pushing 280, yeah.

And what's the deal with him and Cammy they get into like? It turns them on. Yeah, yeah. Getting caught. Whatever takes, you know? And then the ending. The ending's really good.

The ambiguity of the ending. The phone call, the voicemail. The answer message when he's like doing something, he just kind of stops. And then all of a sudden ends up at the door. And you know I love movies where we don't know what happened. I, you know, the answering machine message, I'd be curious to know whether or not if anybody watching it with fresh eyes or whatever is like, oh, that's like a little too cute or explains too much of miles or, you know,

I find that it really unlocks his entire character to hear that though. Yeah, the ending is amazing. Also, the fact that he goes to like KFC or Popeyes and has wine in a cup while he's eating like a fucking burger and onion rings. Yeah. That's just how his life has sunk.

He's like, I need to have one good thing. I'm glad he doesn't go home and like lose 25 pounds and start a new novel. Like, you know what I mean? I'm glad he's still miserable. His apartment still sucks and everything. So we have the porch for the most rewatchable scene? It is for me. It's got to be. What's age the best? We mentioned Jack

and how great Thomas Aiden Church in this where it's just every woman that comes in his orbit he's just a fucking walking boner. It's so funny how he just captures the vibe because everybody knows like two or three people like that and he just captures it. Someone's like, would you guys like some water with that?

And he's like, oh my God, the chick wants me. She loves it. It's just like she's just asking you to straw. You're mind you the Warren Beatty The biography Somebody wrote about him Star by Peter Biscan Yeah

That I thought was really good It is good And he tells this story He has I think we've I don't think I've told the story In The Rwatchables From this book

Where he's on a movie set And Warren Bady Has sex with somebody Who's not like The typical person He would have sex with It was somebody like Not that attracted

And somebody asked him Like What's going on with him like somebody who was on the set like really like what are you doing like why her and he's like because you never know that was his answer and that was like his theory that's what warren bady said yeah he's like you never know you never never that's er before every philly special pod you never know maybe this is the one maybe this is the one where i learned what's really going on with tobias house but i think that was jack's philosophy on on every woman he bet you never know yeah yeah i know how it's gonna

play out before he seduces cammy he's got the whole like the grateful type and you know he's like He's obviously a fucking pig. Well, he'll end up in what's age the worst as well. But it's, I like seeing characters like that where it's like, yeah, this guy exists. It just does. Oh, my God. I definitely have friends like this. First wine tasting day where Jack says, you should work at a wine store as they're tasting.

He's like, yeah, that would be a good move. It's also funny because the guy with them works at a wine store. Giamatti's just like I was fucking Yeah That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. You need to get your joint worked on miles.

It's just fucking funny. I like when I don't know when we got phased out of joint. There's a lot of like smooching my Johnson. Yeah. You get your bone smooched. It's just like the glory ears for for dick euphemisms.

I like how this movie uses sex as like this just primal kind of gross thing. Every time, like, he walks in on him in San Girore. She's like the most disgusting, sexy. Yeah. And then same thing with... Cammy and MCG.

Yeah, Cammy. It's just, like, just disgusting. Not erratic at all. I totally underestimated, Stephanie made me laugh. The novel being two full printer boxers made me laugh. The opening credits in this movie are really good. Where it's, it's like a graphic, and then something else,

and it's moving him toward going to, pick up Thomas Aden church, but in these little snippets. Fuck it. And he's like, I'm leaving now. And then he like gets in the shower and does the crosswork. And clearly he just got bombed in it before. I don't love the scene with Miles' mom that much, but I do love when he steals the money and he's looking at the family pictures.

And he's just like, my life has hit rock bottom. And we get a nice look at Bart Giamatti, former commissioner of Major League Baseball. Yeah, I always forget that that was his dad, the guy. That's really him in the picture. Yeah. Any other what's age the best? Just another jackism is this place is wide open. I'm going fucking nuts up here.

You're in a Santinez winery. He sounds like Pacino and heat. I think that what's age of the best is walking on the highway to get to the restaurant in those areas is like, that's a thing. That's the thing that I never get to be hit by a car. But it's like you've got to have to do it because otherwise you have to wait 40 minutes for a cab or something like that.

so you're like huffing it down like this weird highway for to get to the hitching post. Yeah. And I also just really love when Miles fucking houses a bag of popcorn at the farmer's market. It's one of the only times where I'm like, why would Maya be with this guy? He's just taken down this whole bag of corn.

There's a lot of wine stuff that's aged the best that we talked about. What do you have, Sean? I was just going to say like the whole wine industry. Also, that part of the country, which is not Napa and is not Sonoma. Yeah, and it's 90 minutes from...

And it's really close to L.A. And it... I mean, it is... It's a safe haven to this day for me and my wife. We go there all the time. You need to get your joint work, Don, Chris. The Kid Cutty

Pursuit a Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. Whatever rock song is playing and MC Ganey is a band... Snortin whiskey. Is that what it's called? Snort and whiskey, yeah. Is it Pat Thrall?

I think it's like 1980s song. It's a great song. It's the only time we hear music like that in the whole movie. The Denna Thieves Benihanna Awards, scene stealing location. I mean, a lot of choices here. I really like that winery that they end up

they sneak around and walk around with all the barrels. They're here in the boring schools. Oh, yeah, that's cool. The outdoor picnic sites really good, but just in general, like, this is one of those movies you watch. I remember when I saw Swingers and we moved to L.A. Like six years later, and my wife and I were like,

we have to go to where they went to the swing. You just kind of had to. And the same thing for all the, these locations. I got to go to Los Alibos and San Anas and just see what this is. Yeah. The Fras Canyon, the tacky winery that they go to near the end is the Fess Parker, which is like the big hotel and one-hury in the heart of Los Alibos. Great stuff. Craig, have you done the wine tasting trip? Yeah, well, we went last year to the great Liz Kelly. Yeah. That's great. You can take care of her. Just one of my all-time favorites.

You're a Pino guy? I am a Pino guy. Yeah, hell yeah. Fucking Pino. Don't sleep on Sarah, though. Okay. You like a peppery soror? What's what's... Saras like Shade Gilgis Alexander. Yeah. It's kind of under the radar a little bit. It's been mired with like... Yeah, it's not Saraz's fault. It's on OKC, playing with Josh Gideon Poku.

It should be in a bigger market. Gotta be honest. I really don't understand that way. Well, it's a big Pacific Northwest. Yeah. People are less likely to go the Pacific Northwest than they are to go to some of the California stuff. Oklahoma City is not in the Pacific Northwest, though.

I know. But it's in the Pacific Northwest. You know what they do. did, though. They fucking stole a team from the Pacific Frontless. That keeps you see now. Maybe that's what Payne was thinking about.

In 20 years, there'll be a guy named Shane Gilgesis Alexander and he'll be on the team that used to play in Seattle. He's Seurat. Didn't hear about Sarah in this movie.

That's true. The Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. The fake car accident is just dumb. Does it just make you mad because you like that sob? No, I have that coming up

in what stage is the worst. Sobs? The sob turbo. Fucking thumbs down. Wow. Yeah. Twist. I would not have seen that coming.

I had a sob turbo for like a year, which is one of the biggest car mistakes I've ever made. Probably number one. Why? Because it was getting a deal. My car, I had a car that was almost 200,000 miles. My beloved Beamer convertible

that I put 205,000 miles on. I needed a car because it was dying. Somebody was selling a sob turbo. I was like, oh, convertible, grab it. Fucking sob turbo. That's why do they even make sob anymore? They don't. I don't think they make new sobs.

Because sob fucking sucks. Okay. I got pretty close to buying a sob. Thank God you did. Thanks. I would have been so mad if you did that. I don't like the second car accident when he puts the rewatchables is presented by sob. Sab.

Fuck that. Terrible car. Putting the concrete brick on the gas puddle? Yeah. Stupid. That's my weak link. I don't know if you have a better one. I just didn't think they'd be able to drive it back down to LA.

The whole thing's dumb. It's a mistake. Do I have a better what's age the worst? No, a better. Link, sorry. I don't think any of the characters. All the characters are good in this movie. So I'll go with the car accident.

I don't totally love the family Jack is marrying into. It just seems unrealistic to me. Oh, I disagree. I know. The Armenian, wealthy Armenian family in Los Angeles. Why would she like Jack?

He's an actor. He's a pretty boy. He's a sushi restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. Good, great talker. I don't know. you know he's...

And in the moment he's probably like, this is what I want. That's probably true. I'm in my late 30s. I need to get married. He needs to have kids. I need to like settle down.

But I'm a cat. I dated a girl once so I had an Armenian dad. That guy sniffed me out and was on to me the whole time. What did he do to you? How did he get you out? He was very smart.

Uh-huh. He was like, I don't, this guy, I don't know. You've sizing me up. Were your intentions bad? Ah, my mid-20s.

I was a jackass. Literally have no idea to respond to this. Yeah. what's age the worst 2004 cell phones what a tough cell phone era for yeah

but back in the day when it was kind of closer to like I use this in case of emergencies yeah there's a moment when Jack is like you can use my cell phone you know it's meant to be like Craig when you see the 2004 cell phones do you just think like

it's from 80 years ago yeah it's embarrassing I'm embarrassed for us that we thought these were cool yeah they were cool at the time what's age the worst the golf scene Not that the golf seat age the worst but I could have watched five more minutes of it

I have this coming up What's better than just seeing two guys that we like on a golf course? Do you want me to step on my Stephen A. Smith's hot take in this movie? No, save it, okay. And then the Jack character, just some of the behavior probably wouldn't go over as well in 2023, maybe? Definitely not.

Although guys like that still exist. Yeah, but we'd just be more... One of the problems with movies right now is movies are less careful. Like you did when you talked about what was it, Fleishman? You talked about a character recently, oh, when we did the verdict when we were talking about when he hit

Charlotte Rampling, how that would never fly now, and you were like, but that's the character, that's... Would have done that, and that's what a movie is supposed to be. It's like, what are the characters motivations, they're flawed, whatever? I do feel like people are more afraid in 23 or stuff like that. There's no movie if Jack's

not a hound. If he's not constantly looking to pick up a girl. Because he's always getting them into trouble. Yeah, of course. I agree with you. I do think there's one thing that is a little funny in this movie, which is like there's a lot of drunk driving in this movie. And it's never, it's never acknowledged, but there's a lot of, like, long nights at restaurants.

And you talked about walking down the street in Los Alios or Sanchez. But there's, like, a whole economy of no drunk driving in Santinez now, where it's like, there are drivers everywhere and there are businesses that are run that, like, support people around. You're supposed to take, like, the van or the, like, we should have put that on what stage the worst, but it rang so true to me because that was the end of that era of drunk driving. He literally says,

we're going to go up north for the grape tour so that by the time we're drunk, we're closer to the hotel, but they're still driving this fucking sob around. The drunk driving the awareness of it, I don't think, really kicked into the mid-2000s. This was like the tail end of that. Was there a better title

for this movie? I like that it's not explained. I guess it just, they go sideways? I think sideways is like a name. Would you have called it the day after yesterday? Sounds like a nuclear apocalypse. movie. I think one of the

original titles for the book was like two guys on wine or something like that. So that was definitely a better title than that. Yeah, that guy they didn't call it like winers. That's pretty funny. Thanks. Ron Burgundy Flute Award, best time

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What do you got, Chris? Many people think Sideways is a wine movie with some golf, but what if it's a golf movie with some wine? because Miles basically dresses like Rocco Mediate. You know, he just dresses like a guy who got smoked by Tiger Woods in the earlier 2000s. And I love the fact that Jack has his own new set of clubs. Yeah. Obviously up there mostly to play golf, if not taste wine.

And they're watching Luke Lipp or whoever, you know, the Vancouver Open champ. I just think there's like, it permeates the movie. It's basically tin cup, but mine. It's very clear that Paul Giamatti cannot swing a golf club. It's not. I had him pick a nits. Like, just, hey, Paul Giamatti, he can't clear the hips.

He can't clear the hips. Four weeks to at least resemble a golf swing. Your dad was the commissioner of baseball. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I think that's probably why there's not more golf in the movie. It's because Giamati sucks at it. Yeah.

Do you think Giamati is like now a three handicap? And when he watches sideways, like, fuck. It's in play. Chuck Rhodes. all that Chuck Rhodes money he's probably been where's he a member he definitely plays now

can find out from Coppoman you have a hottest take I was gonna do something about how this is not actually Payne's best movie but I feel like what what Payne's best movie is is kind of an interesting debate like a lot of people think election

you know a lot of people think this movie I think there's like a strong descendants hive I like descendants a lot Yeah, that movie's awesome. I flip. This movie is so different to me from election. Like, it's kind of amazing that it's the same writer-director

because election is so mean and so cynical about everything. Election kind of turned me off to him for a while. Like, when I saw election, I was like, I respect that. But like, I don't want it on rewatchable as 99. Yeah, Amanda and I did it. Yeah. I like it a lot. I still love it.

I remember I passed it off because I don't like it. Yeah, I think it's razor sharp. It's just so nasty. Yeah, it's too dark. It's kind of amazing that within five years, he shifted to this movie. And then the descendants, too, is very emotional, you know, very deep movie that, you know, I think it's a little more flawed personally than this one, but he changed as a director. I just like that Clooney tapped into two movies that tapped into what I thought he was as a movie star. And maybe the third one was Ocean's 11, but up in the air and then he does descendants two years later.

And it's like, you get it. Yeah, this is who Clooney should be. This is art. With a sprinkle of Michael Clayton to me. Oh, yeah, Michael Clayton, the other one. Yeah, so when was that? Right around. 06.

Oh, no, 7. Yeah, you're right. That little pocket was in his best. Yeah. And it's like, why wasn't that 20 years of that instead of five? Because he couldn't stop directing fucking terrible movies. Asshole. Which brings me to my hottest take.

Speaking of assholes, I'll just read what I wrote. I think it's insane when great directors don't direct. Fuck you, Alexander Payne. Stop being such a selfish prick. That's my hotest thing. That's what you wrote. That's my Stephen A. Smith, Hottestead. He was supposed to make a movie a couple years ago based on Carl Nousgard's, like, journey of his life in New York Times Magazine. He was going to make that?

He was going to make it for Netflix, starring Mads Mikkelson. And it got like all the way to the, we're going to start production. And then Nousgard was like, I don't want a movie of my life on screen. And then they just canceled it at the last minute. He's had a bunch of examples of that where he got really close to making something and then pulled out at the last minute. And he was going to make a picture of Doreen Gray adaptation

20 years ago. He's got so many of these things. Like if you look at his unmade projects. Kind of like Todd Field. It's like Todd Field, but it's like Kubrick. That's another one. Fuck you, Todd Field. Where have you been for 16 years?

Todd Field's been trying to get shit made for like 15 years. Yeah, make a movie in the meantime. Just grab something. Like Black Adam? What do you want him to do? Keep working. I think to me, Alexander Payne, this is going to be the best analogy

I've ever come up with for Sean specifically. Alexander Payne is now being relived through Leon Rose and World Wide West where it's like, we almost got Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, we went down the road, didn't get him, and it's just going to be seven years of where they don't make a movie. And in the next case, where they just never get a superstar.

He's spiky today. Here's why it doesn't work. Alexander Payne already made sideways. He won two Academy Awards for screenplay. You have how many fucking Oscars the Knicks have? Not a 50 years. 70 and 73 titles. 50 fucking years.

We almost got Donovan Mitchell in 22. Put a banner a lot up in Emory. We almost got Carl Anthony Towns. Yeah, downsizing. Yeah, downsizing. Need another year in the hopper.

Casting what ifs. We mentioned the Clooney thing. That was the only one. Other than that. No, there's one more. What was the other one? Downie. Is that?

It's out. It's out there. It's like Downy read for it. Downy read it. I don't. don't know of how close. For which part? For Jack, for Miles. For Miles. Yeah. That's 04 Downey.

I think it's doable. Yeah. I think it's doable. I think it could have done it. That's pre-ironman. It's probably a better movie. I mean, it's different. They're different guys. Like, I think Downey would have been able to capture the addiction part of it, obviously. But the depression, he doesn't, he's so much energy, Downey as an actor. I would do, I would like to see it if he had been doing it as

the journalist from Zodiac. That would have been good. Yeah. Yeah. I'm drinking giant. blue cocktails instead of wine. I like it as a challenge for Downey. I'm looking at where his movies were.

So, O-4. U.S. Marshals and, like, this was kind of a tough stretch for me. Oh, 4 is a dark period. Jesus. He was on Allie McBeal. Yeah. Yeah.

The singing detective, whatever we do, Gothica. Gohika. And then was... Kiss Kiss, Bang, six.

Kiss Kiss, Kiss, bang, bang was 05 after this. That's the comeback. It's interesting. I like it. I wish he would go back to making movies like this now. Oh, my God.

Movies like this need him so bad. Do you realize how much money that dude has? He could give a shit. I know, but he... Him with a good script is the best thing ever. I know. He was just... He's like one of the best actors,

and he's just made Marvel movies for 12 years. I bought a bunch of 1993 premiere magazines because we're going to have a bunch of 1993 movies and the rewatchables this year because it was an awesome movie year. and there's a whole feature about Chaplin in that thing and about like Downey was like a pretty risky

Oh yeah he was still getting busted back It was like how do we insure this guy And stuff like it was really interesting Downey's just an all-time bizarre incredible great career Yeah Like really should have There's no I can't think of an athlete parallel to him

Poku Poku Poku What was the last thing that he was He was supposed to be an inherent vice right right yeah that's the i want him in pta to make a movie so bad how is that not happened they have this weird like brother rivalry though circling each other yeah uh the ruffalo hannah rubinick partridge overacting award they knew and they let it happen don't you call me lady

i come in here i give these things to you give me all my god this and give it all you got i treated you like a son. You fucking stand me in the heart. Fuck you. This is pretty easy. I know I fucked up. I know I did a bad thing, all right? And I know I'm a bad person. I know I am. But you gotta help me. You have to help me, Miles. Okay? Tell me you help me. If I lose Christina, I am nothing. You gotta help me, Miles. I know I fucked up. You gotta help me. It's just not Thomas A to Church's best stuff. That's, we, we, we, we, you, you blew through best quote, but I think my favorite quote in the movie is what he says to him right before he goes to sleep with Cammy.

Where he's like, listen, man, you're my friend and I, I know you care about me and I know you disapprove and I respect that. But there are some things that I have to do that you don't understand. You understand literature, movies, wine, but you don't understand my plight. Right. I love that. That's good. Best that guy. MC Ganey, what else has you been in?

Ganey, I mean, tons of stuff. He's not the winner of this. Does Jessica Hecht? Of course. I think she's won this award like three different times. She probably has. She definitely went and kicking and screaming.

Yes. Yeah. I mean, she was the, Ross's lesbian ex-wife's new girlfriend. Partner, I guess. They had the kid together. But she's been in like 30 things. things.

She's been in more things? Yeah, she's been in everything. She's got a great IMDBA. I would encourage people to check it out. Dionne Waiter's Award comes down to Camie the Waitress or MC Ganey is angry naked guy. They might be co-winners.

Is Sandra O. In too much of it? She's in too much. Okay. I'm going to MC Ganey. Yeah. Yeah. Great job.

Great job. Great crank. Great performance. Recasting couch. Would you touch the casting in this movie show? How many times have you said the word crank on this pod. Joy.

I should say joint. Recasting couch. Now I can't get the Downey thing out of my head. I think I would go for that. As much as I love Giamati in this movie. I would love to see it. But Giamati,

it's like, I wonder what Miles would be like if you had, because Downey has never been able to shed like that inherent charm and charisma that he has. So I wonder what Miles plays like if he's got a little bit of like,

God damn, that guy still is a good hang. Some Vim. Yeah, yeah. One of my issues, when I first saw this movie that faded away over time was, I always saw Gi-A-Madi as pig vomit in private parts.

And he was so distinct and so good in the Howard Stern movie. W&B-C. Yeah, and I couldn't see him as a hero. You like private parts? Love, love. That's good one. Half-A-Fast internet research.

Giamati did not know anything about wine and apparently about golf either. And faked all of it. Thomas Hayden Church had left acting basically. What was his peak? What was this show? Wings. Wings.

Yeah. And he'd been doing voiceover work. And then Payne cast him as Jack. But apparently he was almost in about Schmidt in a big role. So Payne was like to. I haven't seen about Schmidt basically since it came out. I almost rewatched it last night and I didn't. I remember not loving it.

Being slightly disappointed. I remember a Kathy Bates hot tub scene that I was like, I'm never watching this. That was your, was it your screensaver for a number of years, Chris? What was it? Is it on your phone right now?

Your phone background? Kathy Bates and Jack Nicholson in a hot tub. No, thanks. On my flip phone. Here's a good one for UCR. Okay. The house where Miles received Jack's wallet

was being used as a meth lab up until a few weeks ago before filming, weeks before filming. Some very important neighborhoods in this movie. They left a location intact. There's also definitely some meth

in that part of the country. Yes. It's still there. The food that Miles Jack and Miles' mother consumed gave all of them food poisoning in real life. The fake wine made almost everyone sick

and they had to use real wine. Yeah, it sounds disgusting. Yeah, that's gross. I want to do a Ringer podcast I want to launch one about just fake drinks, drugs, and food, and movies. Each episode would be like like... What's the fake cocaine here? Like, you know, tons of cocaine and Wolfram Wall Street

and how it affected him. It's just like an eight-minute That's the thing they say about Edmund all the time, right? Is they're smoking the fake tobacco and they were getting sick on set all that long? It was like made them like lightheaded. The producers originally wanted to use a bottle of a different bottle. Can you guess what it was? No. A different like wine, you mean?

Not Pinot? Yeah. And the Chateau's owner decided to pass. So they settled on the Cheval Blanc. It was a bottle of Petrus. Restaurant locations Is Patruse like a Kauai Leonard? What are we talking about here?

I don't know enough about that one. I might even pronounce something wrong. Restaurant locations used in the San Annes Valley. Sauvang restaurant. That was the breakfast scene. Los Alivas Cafe, dinner scene with mine and Stephanie. You don't seem like a big solving guy.

AJ Spurs, dinner scene with Cammy, and the Hitchie Post. I like it up there and one of our good friends moved up there in 2015. The old Dutch town? Is it Dutch or German?

I fucking love it up there. Get a little pancakes. It's great. A lot of pancakes, yeah. Yeah, I think it's cool. Like, our friend who moved there and they had this whole parallel universe, it was one of those always best, best friends and a good friend of ours. And they moved there in 15.

He just wanted to get the kids out L.A. And my friend Ness, and they love it. They have this huge ranch. Dream of mine own house there. Yeah, yeah. And they're just like, it's just mellow and people are normal. The Solvang, Beulton, Los Olos, that whole, Corridor is just really fun and nice and beautiful.

Everybody is, that's the other thing. In my experience, this is true, in all wine country, people are so happy. Yeah. Because they don't move there because they love that stuff. Yeah. You know, it's like, it's like what you were saying about podcasters where it's like, if you have a passion, like, people have a passion for wine and they go to a place like that. But it's rare that you can find, like, a location that matches your passion.

Exactly. Should we just move there and open a winery? Yeah, let's do it. The rewatchables winery? That would probably do well. Who would the rewatchables winery be called? I just, I think we need to get the bar going first. The action is the juice.

Come on. That's it. The grape juice. Seismar. Seismore blend. Got a seismore peanut underwear. Today we're pouring Chris Shareilus. I didn't.

I'd set you guys a picture, but a New Year's in Malbu, I saw we were eating breakfast. Yeah. And Michael Madsen watched. I talked in. Oh, yeah. And I was, I geeked out, and my wife was like, you got to get a picture of them. And I was like, I just can't. I don't do that.

I can't do that. I know how annoying that is. I heard he's a really nice guy. I really regret it now. I'm sure he would be like, this is totally fine, yes. I'm like fucking Madsen, man. Yeah. What would have been my movie opener with him?

You're going to bark all day, little dog, or you're going to bite? I think I would have started with species. That's what I was thinking. You do species because then he's like, oh, cool, you're a real fan. Then I'm a hardcore Madsen fan, right? Because he probably gets some of the other classics. Like you wouldn't go up to Stevie Nix and be like, I love Gypsy, you know? Right.

I feel like, man, species was fucking awesome. What a great movie. What's the last best Madsen? Just for the record. Species is one word. Yeah. He was in the hateful eight. Species is one word.

How long can one word? Have you seen species? No. Species is? is incredible. Species is one of those where Craig would, next time we saw Craig,

Craig would be like, I can't believe a fucking awesome that movie was the Tassah Hendr's why wasn't she the biggest star of the world.

Ben Kingsley, Forrest Whitaker, Michael Madsen. It's all the great cast of the 2019s. No, don't forget Marge Helgenberger. Mark Helgenberger,

yeah. So species and black hat, you're going to cram them in. Done. The author, Rex Pickett, was unhappy with the changes Sandra Obeyed

in the character. Apparently she changed the name from Terra to Stephanie. She wrote a motorcycle that was not in the book and gave her a biracial child and did a whole bunch of other things that just weren't in the book.

So in retaliation, he wrote a sequel called Vertical and all we know about her is she's a prostitute in Reno. That was his revenge. It's pretty mean-spirited. Yeah. Pretty odd.

Pretty odd. It's true. Yeah. This is going to be a great apex Mount guys. Giumati? Wasn't he probably more famous for now at this point, Billions? I think John Adams.

Oh, yeah. I think it's John Adams, too. That thing went like... It was a huge, huge show. That's right. Yeah. And then he had billions coming right after that. And, you know, when Billions premiered, it was really, really noisy.

I think mid-2010s is his apex mound. Thomas Staten Church? A lot of people watch Wings. He got nominated for... an Academy Award. He did. He was, he was in Spider-Man 3.

And it shows up again. And in no way home as well. I was thinking about him and he like, I thought he just disappeared off the planet again. But in fact, he's just made one or two movies every year for the last 15 years. Do you guys pick up on that? He's around.

He should have been Bruce Stern for the 2020s. Like the old kind of weird guy, like who could have been in once upon a time in Hollywood, living in the ranch. I think I read that he wanted. an Emmy for Broken Trail, like two years later, too? Which, you've seen Broken Trail, right,

Chris? Isn't that the Walter Hill thing? Yeah. Yeah. With Robert Duval. Did I see that? This is a good Western. San Annes Apex Mountain. I'm going to say yes. Yeah. Fucking cranked it up that whole area. Los Alivo, Sauvang.

Crank again. Crank it again. Bachelor Party's gone wrong in a movie. some good you got a bachelor party yeah hangover what's the movie with it's gotta be hangover right

Pete Berg very bad things very bad things don't love that movie it's uh Chris's favorite movie not great I would say it's the hangover

that's based on your bachelor party did you know that Pete Berg used to live like when he first moved to L.A he lived with Ari Emanuel and Mark Maren I did know that

I just found that out yeah it's a cool house yeah yeah that's why there's still are Emmanuel and Pete Berg, they still do a bunch of stuff together.

Yeah. Yeah. Where's Mark Merrin in that equation? I don't know. Obviously got bounced. Got cut out of one survivor. Let's bring him in. Virginia Madsen,

this is an interesting one for Apex Mountain. Got nominated for an Oscar. Yes. Pretty iconic scene in a really great memorable movie. But you could also say like in the 80s, she's pretty big. I'm looking at what her biggest 80s was.

Man, this probably was it. She was in like a West Craven movie, right? She never made it. Hot Spot was a big one. And she's very, very hot. Candyman? And the hot spot. Oh, yeah, that's right.

I forgot the hotspot. Candyman. And then was she in like Serpent in the Rainbow or something like that? Highlander 2. Craig, the Hot Spot. It's a little Don Johnson movie for you. Let's talk about the hotspot for a second. Is that a rewatchable?

Directed by Dennis Hopper? I'll just give you the one sentence I MDB, Craig. Upon arriving to a small town, a drifter quickly gets in trouble with local authorities and the local women after he robs a bank. Virginia Madsen and Jennifer Connolly. One word. This might need to be two-month category.

Also is Charles Martin Smith, William Sadler, Barry Corbyn. It's like a that guy fest. I haven't seen that movie in a long time. Do you know who does the music for that movie? Who? Davis and John Lee Hooker. Jesus. I got to watch that one again. I'm going to put that on the list.

It's a huge bomb for some reason. It bombed. Yeah. People were tired of Don Johnson. I think that was it. It was like one of those like, ah, fuck this guy movies. I'm going to say yes for Madsen. I'm going to say yes for the sob turbo, which fucking sucked. Okay.

How about drinking champagne in the car? Yeah, well, it's the only time I've ever seen that happen. Yeah, I'm going to say yes. Warm champagne is the most disgusting thing I can imagine. Like, you might as well drink urine. Sandra O No. Comes off this and goes right into Grey's Anatomy.

Yeah. Yeah. Which has to be her, but I would almost say, like, in some ways, killing Eve first season. I think that's her Apex Mountain. I would say Grey's Anatomy. That show is massive. Definitely wouldn't say Arlis. No.

I love the chair. She was crying on the chair. She's great. I love Sandra. Apex Mountain for the. Sandro. Alexander Payne marriage. I'm going to say yes.

Yeah, because two years later they broke up. It was done. Apex Mountain for Pino Noir. I think it might be. Completely invigorated. This was it. How about angry naked guys in a movie? No.

Who is a scarier, more memorable angry naked guy? I got it. I mean, like, aren't there some angry naked guys and eyes wide shut? Sure, yeah. Well, they're sort of, they're in a fit of passion. I'm not sure if it's anger.

How about James Lepp? The golfer. Apex Mountain. reach board probably gets name dropped barely legal magazine i think has never had a greater moment in a movie no the new issue you've been the publisher barely legal for some time now he's reading the articles when you get home

so funny god damn it uh special bonus category we don't do that often was this their hall of fame plaque movie alexander pain probably i think so What do you have, C.R? I think it's election, but I, I, I, it's not like, it's pretty close. Okay.

I think it's his biggest hit, and he won the Oscar for this, for screenplay. He changed wine forever. He did. He can claim that. What do you have for Best Racehorse name? I mean, I think we got to do something with cranking my Johnson, you know? Yeah, smooched bone. Johnson crank.

Smooched bone. Down the stretch, it's smooched bone. I think, uh, back of an L.A. school bus. That's a great moment. Pick a Nits. Miles chugs a whole bottle of wine in 45 seconds when he's running down to hell after he finds out

his ex-wife got married. And then sleeps it off and he's like, okay. Whole bottle in 45 seconds. You know how fucking hard that is? It's a full-blown alcoholic. Yeah. Yeah. It's really like jarring when like he's just like any trigger he's like I'm going to have like a huge amount of wine right now.

My mom identified a bit. Sorry, Mark. Would Miles be that dumb to mention Jack's wedding to Maya? So I have... Would you be that dumb? Would you be that bad of a friend?

Is Jack can't figure this out? Or like there's just like they never resolve this, which I think is probably very true to life. It's just like this lingering thing. It would take two seconds for anybody to realize that Miles fucked this up. Right.

But why did Miles do this? It's almost like he intentionally sabotage that. But then he doubles down by lying about it and, you know, being like, oh, it was the guy at the hitching. post, you know. Obviously, Maya told Stephanie... Guy code, you're not

saying that. And if somebody did say that, that's a breach. I mean, yeah, definitely he betrayed his friend, who is a piece of shit. That's fine. It's a tricky divide.

Your piece of shit, that's one thing, but also like, that's an act of real betrayal as a friend. Here's a nitpick. Yeah. These guys are friends? I had that tip.

I like how it's explained. Yeah, I mean, but it's like Jack doesn't have any other friends since freshman year of college. I mean, he seems like kind of a dickhead. We see this over and over again in movies where it's like, yeah, we knew each other freshman year in college. And that doesn't mean like everything's different now. I guess they probably were like, it seems like Jack knew Victoria, you know, and everything. So it's like, I guess it. I get it. Yeah, I buy it.

When we make Sideways too with Craig. and his freshman year college roommate at San Diego State at San Diego State will I'm still friends with him What was his name? But would he be your single best man

and only person on your bachelor party? No, his name's Jared. He's in law school right now. Shout out to Jared. Hey Jared. Jared and Bill's mom really Just. Is Jared an inveterate hound?

We have to cast Craig in a movie just so Craig can prove his hottest take point that actors don't matter or anybody who can be elite actor. We should cast Craig in our remake of Chaplin. Come on, go ahead, Craig.

Fucking beat Chaplin. Bill spent a lot of money on this movie. Chaplain too. He sold all his wine so we can make Chaplain too. All the sea smoke. Sean's directing. I'm fucking cinematographer. Go.

Two more pickinets. Jack ran naked for miles back to the hotel. bit dubious. I'm breaking into somebody's house and getting some pants. I'm not going to be naked. He also gets arrested. That seems worse. He's just like somebody would be like there's a naked guy.

You're breaking into someone's house to get some pants? I'm not going to be naked for two hours in fucking Los Alibos with ostriches. How long, how long, did he say it took two hours? He ran from one town to the other. Like, we've been there. Multiple clicks. Yeah. Five clicks.

That was a weird reference. I didn't know what a click was. I had to look that up. It's a kilometer. Yeah. But it's a military reference. It's equal to one kilometer? I believe so.

So how long is 5 kilometers? It's like 3 miles or something? Yeah, that's crazy. Naked? Let's go back to you breaking into a house to steal pants. If I'm naked, fuck yeah. I don't know what I would do in that situation. I just ball up on the ground and cry.

I'm sorry, M.C. Gating. My biggest nitpick is there's no way that banged up sob turbo makes it back to San Diego. That thing was going to break down even if you didn't have the car accident because sob turbo is terrible. Yeah. that thing is dying by the time. And then when you're like, I need to get a new part, they're like, we have to order this from Germany.

It will be eight and a half weeks to get it. That thing's on the five. You're not even making it to commerce casino and that thing's falling apart. I'm always making it to commerce casino. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all blackcast are untouchable as a fun wrinkle. Pickett wrote a sequel, we mentioned, called Vertical,

which followed Miles and Jack on a road trip to Oregon with Miles's mother. And Payne said, No, I don't do sequels. He also referred a third one where they're in Chile. Pickett's like, hey, got another one. They went to the Aviana Awards in Las Vegas. Jack's off the wagon.

Any interest? He just keeps putting them in locations. Kentucky Derby is lit. It's not the worst idea I've ever heard. Jack and Miles at LSU, Alabama. Rex is definitely listening right in these days. Kentucky Derby, good idea. Oh, boy.

Better with Wayne Jenkins, Stanley Treo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Bischemi, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsher, Philpengro. What?

I've gone through a couple of iterations of this. What if Wayne was the MC Ganey part? You forgot your wallet. And your special engraved rings!

I thought you were going to do him as Miles. Like, God damn, Jack! Didn't know we're talking about Chabelle Blanc over here! I thought you're going to do it as Jack. That's funny. We all thought it was going to be three different words.

I would just love it if also Wayne was the guy at the Spatoon Winery, and he was the one who was serving miles. And Miles was like, give me a full porters. You can't get a full board. You got to buy the whole case. You had one missed opportunity, which was, didn't know I was working with Super Summali. Yeah.

Yeah. That is, that's how he should have been used. He should have been the third person next to Giamati. Like, God damn, God damn, Miles! Super So-Mai-e. You say strawberries in that? I'm getting nuts and cheese. I get that. I can't even catch a whiff of that.

Strawberries. It's quaffable. It's quaffable. Just one Oscar who gets it. Giamatti. I think it's pain. I think it's pain, too. Pain got it.

it and I think he just him and Taylor got it and I think they deserve it great script probably unanswerable questions how did jack why did jack like miles we already talked about this still not sure why did miles like jack it's very similar to the double down trent and mikey and swingers it's like

why does trent like mikey well i get that they like also they're both trying to be actors like i understand like they've got this group of friends and everything and mikey was probably cooler when he was in a relationship but the miles and jack thing is like how do these guys even stand touch.

Yeah. Yeah. You know? I also wrote down how bad of a sex partner was Miles the night that he finally got the deal done with Victoria Madsen. He's like seven bottles of wine. Yeah. Also, what does it say about our public school system that this guy is teaching at great

English? And he's probably just like, I'm fucking... This is exactly what you think. Like they're reading a separate piece. He's doing a great job at the end there. That's true. He's a great educator. He's a great teacher.

Best double-feature choice with this movie. I have the descendants. I think you go sideways descendants it's a good combo two totally different movies same director really interesting combo for those two what do you got Sean

I was just thinking about the movie that William Goldman writes about you're the comment year the comment that feels like when a castle rock's first big whiffs

that feels like they're in they're in conversation that movie not as successful obviously he writes about it so is it adventures in the screen trade which one is it he does so interestingly

and that was like his beloved like he's like I did it. Yes. I just read this giant piece about Castle Rock in one of those old premiere magazines that I have to give to you because I think your head's going to break.

Great. It's all about how Alan Horn, how they came up with it, how their whole game plan is really interesting. But that was one of the big bust. That and Mr. Saturday night. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

And in this movie, back to Seinfeld. And North. Remember, North was also another big bomb. What's crazy is Seinfeld. It's like barely in this piece. But what was in there was, It's the premiere magazine, January 93.

Few Good Men's on the cover. And it's kind of about Castle Rock, but it's like few good men could be the one. The buzz has been great already. It's not coming out for nine, ten more months, but this could be a blockbuster. God, they made so many movies. They did.

So why did they, they named it after the town in the fictional... Stand by me. Stand by me. Okay, yeah. Wow. This is an incredible run of movies. Well, they had this whole thing and it made you think like, why don't people do this

now? Where it was like they tried to make at least four big ones every year and go at least two for four because people trusted their trust on stuff. Which wild hit rate though? Yeah. Shawshank, Dolores Claiborne, the American president.

It started when Harry Metzalli was the first one that hit for them. Yeah. Yeah. And then they basically had two a year from that point out. You just felt good when you saw that logo before you were. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like These guys have taste. The way they talked about it, though, is pretty interesting. Where they're like, we want to be the guys with taste.

Now we see like A-24s. Try to be that, a couple of them. We're like, yeah, we've put something real thought of those. Indian Red So Watanay Award. What happens the next day? Well, there are sequels. So we get a little bit of a peek. Let's throw those out.

But let's, so does Maya open the door? Or what does Maya say when she goes? I think Miles moves to Los Alibos or Sauvang, and it goes badly, and he probably... I think there's a real world where Maya's just like that that answering machine message was like My farewell to you. Courtesy call out a farewell Not like come to my house. Yeah, you're a scumbag

It's not how I read it. You're a romantic at heart I think that's right and I think that that's what I don't know if Alex is I actually read it like Sean I thought I thought the answer machine was like I've forgiven you it's hopeful yeah come come see me But it was not getting married it wasn't like hey give me a call back It was like if you're ever in this neck of the woods, look me up. Yeah.

I read into that. Okay. I read into that. Are you not a romantic? No, I am. But I'm just like, there's a world in which she's just like, Jesus, that was not what I meant. That would be such a bummer. If we just saw 15 more seconds of the film.

Oh, yeah. If she opened the door and she was like, oh. It's that, it's like, honestly, it's like just like, it's like the end of the verdict. It's like a perfect dot, dot, dot, dot to end it. What piece of memorabilia would you want? I guess not the sob. Yeah. Sounds like a great to sea smoke, right?

That's what you want. Well, you could do the 1961 Cheval Blanc, which would be undrinkable now. We don't actually see that. I think the 2001 C-smoke Patella, all the wines from that dinner, if you had like the bottles, and pain saved them,

that would be pretty cool. Yeah. From their first dinner together. What about Jack's new set of clubs? from Christine's dad. Do you think those are like Mizuno's? Pings, probably. You didn't talk about Christine's, the Jack house,

the Jack and Christine's houses across the street from Ron Goldman's. Yeah, that's a great one. I forgot to mention that. Is there a Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson? Try to avoid alcoholism, I think, is pretty reasonable. Seems like maybe Miles has been filled by his addiction to wine.

Also, if your first novel is really just only getting started at page 750, maybe. Yeah, that was my big life lesson is if you're writing a novel, try not to make it 800 pages. Well, also, don't write a novel. You don't run a novel. Who won the movie? I think it's Giamati because it makes Giamati a movie star. This is his first hit.

He was an American splendor, but that was a small indie, well regarded, but small. This put him in front of a lot of people. And it led to him for sure being. John Adams being in billions headlining movies. Now, Alexander Payne, of course, wins the Oscar, but he kind of already had the cycle of

an impressive otore with Citizen Ruth election and about Schmidt. He just made a movie Jack Nicholson, so he was already Alexander Payne at that point. I'll go Giammati. I'm going. I feel like he...

MCGaney. There's a world in which Giuseadi is just like a really like great but supporting actor, you know, and you mean for the rest of his life? And this makes him. And now they're reuniting this year and the holdovers.

Yeah, a new film. Interesting. I thought, to me, it's pain. For, because after this movie, it's like I just bought season tickets for pain. Right. And then on top of it, I think his IMDB kind of needed this movie.

Or like his, his filmography, where it's like, you still need one that's going to last. None of the other movies he made, Like, nobody's going to be like, I can't wait to watch an election in 30 years. This is like, this movie just has legs and is really important to a lot of people. I think it's a... Like, Citizen Ruth didn't do that.

No, definitely not. But it established, it was like the old trajectory, right? It was like Sundance movie, really sharp second feature. You know, third movie that's like a little bit of a disappointment, but with big stars. And then his career could have fizzled. And instead, he makes his most viable commercial movie. And he launches a star. to make $109 million back then is pretty inconceivable.

Yeah, but it's like, I think that it does a really good Trojan horse of being like, what a great road movie throughout the Santina's and drinking wine and it's hanging out, and it's a romance. And it's like, oh, it turns out it's about like a suicidally depressed, failed writer, you know? Is this movie an eight-episode HBO show if there, if somebody options that book in 23? I think it is. Definitely. Yeah.

Definitely. Maybe more like six. Not against it. But. Do you really want to spend more time than La Jolla, you know, in this, with this movie? Well, I mean, we just talked about Fleischman is in trouble, you know, in the same thing where it's like that was a book about a group of friends and, you know, the past. But the structure of this thing is so built into it. The week, you know.

Right, right. The week. But imagine the seven-episode show, each episode is a day. I mean, the format is there for you. All right. It's time to bring in Matt Bellany's Andy Richter, Craig Coralbeck. I can't believe that they said that. In a good way or a bad way?

I was just like, I'd rewatchable is like, Andy Richter. Who said that? This one, some magazine. You're trying to reclaim Craig. They wrote about you in a magazine? That was a review of the town. Yeah.

Craig, you're already. They described to the Matt. Craigie moonlight on the town. I don't understand that at all. That makes Matt Conan? That doesn't make any sense. Very bizarre. I don't know.

Okay. I'll take it, though. Sounds like a bad review. Craig, what you think? It was like, I brought you into this world. I'll take you out. Craig's our guy. Come on.

What do you think, Craig? I enjoyed this movie, but I bet you it's a lot better upon rewatch. Interesting. The first time through, you kind of like, I didn't know how to feel about Miles. I was like, do I hate this guy? Do I want to root for this guy? You also, there's like the suicide cloud looming over the whole movie. You don't know if he's going to kill himself at the end.

So I, like, didn't quite know what tone, like, it was trying to tell me what to feel. But then when you finish it and you kind of. reflect back on the movie, you kind of seen in a different light now because you know what the ending was. So it's much to me lighter and more funny, but upon like first watch, it was like this is like a... This is really dark.

Yeah, and it was like this is a real movie about being like an adult. Well, I think that more modern culture teaches you to expect more traumatic things to happen to resolve stories. You know? Like the idea that it would just be this guy who admittedly is like too scared. He's like,

he's too self-loathing to Ethan take his own life because he's like only great writers do that like Sylvia Plath does that or something like that. Yeah. It's kind of interesting that you noticed that. You know, it reminds me of when we did There Will Be Blood, a movie that became much funnier the more you watched it because you knew where it was going and you kind of understood some of the things. And I think this is, that's a good point. Like I don't remember my experience first watching this, but I think it's got a rewatchability that you'll probably stumble into now. And I'm sure as I get older, I'll start to identify with more things. I mean, this is a real movie about being like an adult.

Yeah. And I'm not like, you know, 18, but I'm still, you know, I just had my first trip to San A-Nes. I'm just getting into it, you know? It definitely works better the older you get. I think if it didn't have that slightly more hopeful ending that we were just talking about that you're identifying, it probably wouldn't be on the rewatchables.

Yeah. It was a bummer ending, and it was like, I mean, forget maybe if he didn't kill himself, but even something a little bit more down. It just ended with him at the fast food restaurant. But if this was being made today and, like, Seth Rogan was playing Miles, I think he would have gone home, lost weight, finished his book.

You know what I mean? Like there's like a certain... Would have been on six months later. Yeah, there's a little bit more of a need for to like be like... And this changed him and he became okay. Yeah, yeah. And instead it's like this week kind of... All he did was not fuck up the wedding.

That's like the best he does, you know? I forgot to ask you guys this. What did you think of the scene when he runs into his ex-wife at the wedding? Love it. That's when I texted you guys last night about why he wasn't nominated. I was like, because when he fun... out that she's pregnant, that's Giumani.

And he manages not to completely torpedo it, but it's still like you can see he's just like, oh, he's right on the edge, yeah. I think it's really, really good. Also, this is one of the best Southern California movies in terms of location, how accurate it all is. Yeah. Him getting out of bed in Ocean Beach

wherever he is and driving to Brentwood. And like, I think he arrived at like two. Yeah. Which made sense. It does take like two to three hours. Then getting a Los Alivas. Like, it was actually all plotted out very well. Yeah. Usually it's like a disaster. All right.

We'll see you next week on the rewatchables one-word movie month. Black Hat? Bring your appetite.