The Rewatchables - ‘Silver Linings Playbook’ With Chris Ryan, Andy Greenwald, and Zach Baron

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

The Ringer’s Chris Ryan, Andy Greenwald, and Zach Baron order Raisin Bran so there wouldn't be any mistaking it for a date as they rewatch David O. Russell’s 2012 romantic comedy-drama ‘Silver Linings Playbook,’ starring Bradley Cooper, Jennifer Lawrence, and Robert De Niro. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We love the Eagles. We treasure our mental stability. I'm not going to fight. So Bill thought it would be funny. if we did a pod together and released it as the Eagles played the Bucks in the wild card rounds. It's all fucking ruined now!

It's ruined! It's Silver Linings Playbook. Tiffany's coming over. What happened to Tommy? He died. Don't bring it up. Tiffany. You look nice how Tommy died. No. What's Matt are you on? I used to be on lithium. I was on Xanax. Did you ever take Clonopin?

Colanopin. Yeah. On November 16th, Don't let Tiffany get you in trouble. She's my friend. Wait, what's happening? Bradley Cooper, Jennifer Lawrence, De Niro and Chris Tucker. When life reaches out with a moment like this, it's a sin if you don't reach back. What's this?

I thought you were doing. Oh, I thought you were doing it. Silver Linings Playbook, Ridicardar. Select City's November 16th. All right, guys, here we are. Silver Linings Playbook, a little bit about why we're here, right? About a month ago, I got a text message from Bill that said, hey, would you host Silver Lightings Playbook with you and Andy, Greenwald, and Zach Barron?

It's on To Be right now. I thought it would be funny going into And Eagles play off. Just for the record, it's on Netflix. It's on Netflix. But this is Bill. He's on a plane. He's, I don't know, somehow watching Tooby. And this is, this, this tickled his interests.

I, I'm happy to be doing this movie. I love this movie. I love Philadelphia sports. I love you guys. So this is enjoyable. But there is an element of humiliation. You hear the words ritual humiliation. I feel like my whole life I've heard the words,

ritual humiliation. I never really understood what that. until I contemplated what we were being asked. I'm excited because how many of these have you done? How many rewatchables? In the hundreds. Hundreds, yeah. This is the first one to double as evidence in an OSHA complaint.

Because this is workplace harassment? I don't even work here and I'm being harassed. This is unbelievable. Bill's got an interesting sense of humor when it comes to other sports fan bases, especially Philadelphia, who he has like a special place in hell for. Yeah. On one hand, I'm really glad he's not here. I don't think it would have gone well for.

for all of us. Hearing him talk about the Sixers and the Eagles on his podcast is like having my fingernails pulled out. But, you know, it is, it allows these Philly guys to be alone for too long and some weird things can happen.

I think that it's, is he aware of our just deeply psychologically wrecked text thread that we have? Like, we have a group chat. Yeah. That is, yeah. I think he assumed for myself.

I think he can assume the existence. Yeah. And so I think the opportunity to make our private pain public might be helpful. It might be healthy. I mean, the Solitano family comes through the gauntlet. I'm choosing at the start of this to think of this as an opportunity. Okay. So for context, obviously, Andy and I do the Watch podcast together.

Zach, me, Andy, we're all longtime friends. We're all from Philadelphia. And we all have a really healthy, balanced relationship with the Eagles. Yeah, it's fine. I actually do think it's kind of funny to talk a little bit about our sports fandom because this is going to come into the pod, the discussion of the movie in such a big way. Who wants to go first in talking about their relationship to the Philadelphia Eagles? I'm crying already, so I feel like Zach should go first. I'm already...

Yeah, I mean, it's probably the most unhealthy relationship in my entire life. Yeah. Including the one with the two of you. Yeah, and that's probably lifetime. I'm true. I feel like I love all Philly sports, but the Eagles

are a particular flavor of disappointment and exhilaration that I cannot quit and get only more addicted to the longer life goes on. Yeah, you've been a victim

of the more information sports fans have gotten. I think it's made you more racked with like not, I just like kind of stress and like interest

with the team. Like as you've gotten more talk about Lane Johnson's leverage technique or whatever or the different defenses that Sean Desai and Matt Patricia run. Like I feel like you go deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole. Oh yeah, absolutely. Shout out our friends of Philly Special. They do a beautiful job.

Shill and Ben, thank you very much. Yeah. And I also like, it's like, we'll talk about it like a lot. But it's like one of the great things about Silver Lions Playbook is like it nails that way that your life can be totally organized by the sports team that plays in your city. And it's like, it's ridiculous and it makes no sense. But it also is like 1,000% indisputably true. And like when I think about, when I think about the year, this film came out.

I can tell you what happened with the Eagles. When I think about the Eagle season chronicled in the film, I could tell you exactly what that felt like. And those are like my memories. And I will remember this current Eagle season for the rest of my life. I wish I, I wish I weren't true. but I can feel it like already just like grafting itself onto my bones and I will not be able to get rid of it. I don't want to make light of addiction,

which is a serious thing, but I do feel like my relationship to this team could be couched in those terms. And to be fair, there's probably no better movie to make light of serious mental issues in context of because this movie does it better than just about anyone in recent history.

But I feel like there's a lot of magical thinking involved in my life with sports where I'm like, this time I'm going to do it right. This time I'm just going to enjoy hanging out with my guys. Because for as much as Zach likes Lane Johnson's leverage technique, I'm like, Lane Johnson has struggled. Lane Johnson's personal story is meaningful to me, and I care for him. I only care about human interest stories. My all 22 is just 22 heart emojis around Jaylen Jalen Hart's, Jalen Hertz's head. And so every time I get drawn into one of these seasons,

I'm like, I'll be healthier this time. Yeah. I'll be fine. I will not take my fragile, emotional being and just hand it over to Matt Patricia. Right. I have a young child right now. Yes. And this is, it's been a great, like, mirror because he'll be, like, in the room

when I'm either thinking about or watching the Eagles. And I'm like, you have to control yourself. Yes. And I basically, like, like, you just see another person. You're like,

wow, the energy coming off me right now is insane. And a small, unprotected child is, like, not ready for this level of insanity. But he's like, why is dad so angry? Well, or why is dad and Chris so angry?

Yeah, or why are dad and Chris tackling each other and crying with joy? I think I'm somewhere in the middle between the two of you guys. I don't really look to the Eagles for parisocial relationships or nor is it important to me that they like one another. I also expect and welcome an amount of pain with like watching sports. Like to me, it's like that's being 15 and 2. whatever is not actually like realistic sports fandom like and I I don't mind it on the record that the Eagles have this season which is 11 and 6 I'm fine with that like if you told me they were

going to be 11 and 6 at the beginning of the season I would have been like sounds like a pretty good what about when they were 10 and 1 that yeah I know that's that's the that's the thing is that it's all about like how the season plays out it's not about this is a good point and I think the movie did sort of remind me of some things um one of which being football seasons used to be of normal in the sense that I was not following every team in the league all the time. I was not familiar with what any technique anyone was doing was. TV that played four games at once in your face. The 2008 season, which is chronicled in the movie Silver Linings Playbook,

like they were bad a lot of the season. And then they got good at the right time and they backed in the playoffs and they almost went to the Super Bowl. And my experience of football as a younger person was more limited. Like, let's go get them this week. And then, you know, we would plunge into a Sunday depression in Brooklyn, when Andy Reid bungled the clock. But then my life went on.

This sort of feaster famine where it's everything all the time and our team has been so wildly good that the expectations are out of whack has not been not been healthy for me. I had an interesting experience recently. So I've probably lived, I'm 46, I've lived outside of Philadelphia

longer than I've lived in Philadelphia at this point. When you live out in Los Angeles, especially with East Coast football, you have the luxury of sometimes seeing those games at like 10 a.m. Yeah. You know, there are a lot of games where, like, you're done by one. You can move on with your day.

It's still sunny out. Your son is staring at you. Your significant others and family may expect things from you where they're like, now let's go about like a normal weekend. That's not really the case on the East Coast. That's not really the case, especially in Philadelphia. And I recently went home to go see my mom. And it was, I got out on a Sunday and the Monday night was the Seahawks game

where the Eagles lost to Drew Locke in Seattle. Yeah, I remember that. And it was a Monday night game, so it started at like 8, 1530 or whatever, East Coast time. And I was like still watching the Eagles at like 11 p.m. basically. By the way, we've played like nine Monday night games this year. Think about what it's like for people who actually live there. And the end of that game was Chef's Kiss.

I mean, that's really what you tuned in for the last five minutes. To be back in Philadelphia for that. And it wasn't like I went outside. and everybody walked out of their houses to have like a post game like commiseration about it. But like the vibe, especially in late December, Philadelphia, it was a different kind of experience than you have when you're here.

So you, we're all like these kind of like wrecked men who are washed up on the shores of sports fandom. Or just what. Imagine what it would be like if we still lived in Philly. At least you get to go to bed after that Monday night game in Philly. Here you have to like put on the face of a man who's not destroyed and go about the rest of your day?

A normal person? Just like the Hannibal Lecter face of a guy who's like okay. Just the normal person masked. Yeah. I think that the movie does a good job of communicating to the world

that after a certain point, like not too long after Labor Day, every single thing in Philadelphia is the color of the Ben Franklin Bridge. Yeah. From the sky to people's faces to the inside of your heart. They absolutely nail that.

That gray concrete sky, which is in like 90% of the, the shots in this film is like exactly what it's like. And it just hits different. Like here, you're right. Like, as much as I do not feel like a whole person when my team blows it. Yeah. You walk outside.

It's golden. It's nice out. You can sort of anesthetize yourself a little bit. Sure. Yeah. You can go take a jog or whatever. This movie... But the rod is inside of us.

This movie, as, as we've alluded to, it was a 2012 film. This is the second straight 2012 movie we've done on the rewatchables. We did flight last time. You could make an argument that this may be the last. great rewatchables era that we've experienced in terms of like these movies that I think have had second third fourth lives on cable and Netflix that you can watch this 30 minute clip like chunk of or this five minute scene of and just get like a little like little adrenalized from it I think this movie definitely fits into that category of like there are parts of this

film that like if it's on I'm going to stick through to watch like I need to see Shea Wiggum come down the stairs uh as Andy said This movie tracks the 2008 Philadelphia Eagle season, and it's about Pat Solitano's attempts to reconcile with his estranged wife after he leaves a mental institution in Baltimore. Pat has bipolar disorder and has suffered from panic attacks and experiences somewhat violent outbursts at times. He eventually finds meaning and connection in his life through Tiff Evans,

a young widow played by Jennifer Lawrence, who is going through her own mental health struggles. He partners with her in a dance competition on the condition that Tiff helps him win back his ex-Nicky, but it turns out that TIF is in fact his silver lining. That's my synopsis of this movie. And I want to just quote a piece of journalism that was written about this film

at the time of its release. The ways in which Pat, in his pitible mix of out-of-control rage and deranged optimism, is a product of his struggling underdog city and the maddening football franchise that it hosts will probably be obvious to most readers of this site

and lost on a solid percentage of non-sports fans who go see the movie. You have to be. know Philly, know the Eagles to really get it. How each of these characters is simultaneously badly scarred and up for more punishment. Silver Linings Playbook is a few different movies at once, but once one of those movies is about the complicated interplay between a city's sports teams and a city's citizens, the way that over time the two start resembling one another.

That was written by Zach Barron for a little website called Grantland. Yeah. Great paragraph. Nice. Yeah. Well done. Good job by you. Yeah, you know, I wasn't always washed up. Do you still think that that's true?

Do you still think that they're in this day and age of like everything has become national coverage, we're aware of the Buffalo Bill's quarterback depth chart. I know like Tank Dell got hurt, so that's going to affect C.J. Strouds, blah, blah, blah. Like, do you still have this tunnel vision and this relationship to the Eagles in a way? even though you live on the other side of the country. Yes? Yeah, I know. Very much. I'm a rhetorical question.

I also, like, I think that that, like, the collapse that the team is enduring right now. Or not, because this is coming out the night of the Bucks game. We could be talking about... I think the damage is done. Sailing into the divisional. That's right. That's right.

Excelsior? Yeah. Excelsior. Yeah, like, like, the way in which this is happening, feels very unique to the Eagles. Yeah. And feels very unique to the, like, just the, the Philadelphiaan in all of us who is, like,

this is going good and it's about to go real bad. And when it goes bad, I'm not going to be surprised. You know, like, it's just, like, my fate has arrived. I'm going to feel more safe. Yeah. There's an assumption that it's going to go back. And I just, like, like, you can know everything about the Chargers. This isn't, like, built into the vocabulary.

of what the Chargers franchise represents. Right. You know? And there's just like something still I find very unique about your team, your city, and if you grew up there, the way that certain things just got drummed into you and will never come out of you. Yeah, it's right there in the beginning of the movie when they say your teams have an inferiority complex. I mean, I think that one of the genius things about the film is that while certain players

are mentioned and we're going to mention those players, and I wish we were all wearing that one, players jersey. The movie is about the cultural attachment to an institution that represents something year in and year out Sunday to Sunday and the relationship with whoever is suiting up and what we expect from them and what they do to us and why we keep coming back for more. And I feel like people who aren't from Philadelphia, I mean, every city has its story, every city has its psychology. But the analogy I always tell people is the degree to which Philadelphia ingrained feels like a little brother. The way that everyone in Philadelphia walks around with a chip on their shoulder, about New York City.

And New York City doesn't think about Philadelphia at all. At all. Right. Ever. That that is baked in. I just watched the Giants game, the good one, not the bad one, with a family of Giants fans. And the extent to which, like, they were like, oh, it's the Eagles.

I was, like, kind of shocked. I was like, don't you guys hate this? And don't you guys want to see Jalen Hertz writhing in pain and all the other things that, like, we say during the Cowboys games or during Washington games or during Giants games, And it was just like, they didn't like it, but they had a much healthier relationship, I thought, to the rivalry. Yeah, and it permeates the town. And by the way, I think all three of us, we love the city of Philadelphia. And I think it's a beautiful place.

And there's a lot of great food and art and culture. And the teams are doing generally pretty well. And the vibes at the baseball stadium are very different than they used to be. And like, it's all good. But somewhere deep in the heart of even the greenest, biggest snouted fanatic, there is just an unrelenting reservoir of bile that it just is always going to be there. And even winning the Super Bowl, which apparently did happen. I was with you guys.

One of you tackled me. Didn't watch it away. Didn't wash it away, right? Because even that team feels like, it feels like a fluke. It feels bizarre that that happened. It feels like we got away with one. I disagree with that,

but that's not really what this podcast is about. Like, I still feel like we're still in the, like, what Bill used to term it, like, this five-year grace period where you basically, after a championship, you weren't really allowed to complain. He does not follow his own rules. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not buying that. I think it's interesting how, no matter really what success you experience as a sports fan,

like most sports fans are happier being unhappy than they are happy. You know, like Bill has, in the last 15 years that I've known him, Bill has experienced more sports joy than he had in his entire life leading up to that than most people will ever experience his entire lives. And he still remembers exactly what happened in a 2011, like, late season Celtics game or every single thing that the Patriots did or didn't do right when they've rarely lost a Super Bowl or lost in the playoffs.

And he references them like they happened yesterday. Because you hold on to the anger and you hold on to the pain more than you hold onto the joy, which I think this movie illustrates really well. And this movie is also coming off of, was made during the tail end of and is about, you know, the back nine of the Andy Reed years, which were by any like normal fan metric, wildly successful of being always in the mix of making the playoffs year after year of making all those championship games making it to the Super Bowl but formatively it's the most philadelphia stretch imaginable

right because something always went wrong yes something always broke the wrong way whether it was tio's leg or something else like it just never quite worked and that feeling i mean this is this is why I'm broken. But like, my number one memory of those years is losing the NFC championship game and the last game at the vet, right, to the, to the bucks. Even the, yeah. Not the next year. We went to the Super Bowl.

What I remember is that was our moment and what it felt like when it wasn't. Yeah. Even the season depicted in this film 2008, which the Dallas game that the film ends on is like one of the truly great Eagles days in the last like two decades. but what I really remember from that season is Larry Fitzgerald ripping our heart out in the... It's Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona.

I think Larry Fitzgerald had like 400 yards. Yeah. And I still remember him just like running through our defense. I think I definitely think we watched that game in a bar of Brooklyn and I like just walked out into the abyss afterwards. To a bus lane. Let's talk a little bit more specifically about the movie.

So this was a 2008 novel by Matthew Quick. It was optioned by Sidney Pollack and Anthony McHale who were looking at different ways of adapting it and they brought in David O'Russell to work on the script and direct. He did something like 20 drafts of the script over the years trying to find the right tone. And it went through tons of different permutations of casting,

which we'll get to you. But we wind up with this movie that's directed by David O. Russell that stars Bradley Cooper and Jennifer Lawrence. with Jackie Weaver and Robert De Niro in supporting roles. And what you get in this movie, I kind of think about it sometimes as like if you listen to a lot of really like

ironic arch indie rock for a while and then you listen to an emo record. Like there is some kind of gear shift in this movie that at the time and even today when I watch it now, the emotional vulnerability and the sheer like foregrounding of everybody, like how they're feeling. And it's all in their faces, but it's also in the way that the characters talk is really

refreshing. You know, like, I still find it really like a breath of fresh air for whatever flaws the film has. Like, they don't really, like, I don't really see a lot of movies that are like this. No, no. And even then, it's not like there were a lot. Like, this is a David O. Russell special. Yeah.

You know, like, Huckabees is like this, you know, even Three Kings that, like, has a little bit of this. Obviously, American Hustle, which is the movie does after this. It's a lot like this. And Amsterdam, which was like two years ago, not a very successful movie, but it has that same quality of it's like zany, it's madcap, but like what it's about,

it's about ideas. You know, it's about Excelsior. It's about Amsterdam. It's about the idea of utopia. It's about the idea of romantic love. And it's like all the characters are chasing a feeling. You know what I'm saying? Like they're not trying to get a bag of money. They're trying to like balance the insanity in their head, against the love they feel in their heart and like even it out.

And that's like a really hard thing to do and that's like what they're all striving to do. And he's like unembarrassed and also really gifted at making movies like about that. We don't have a lot of filmmakers make movies about feelings, you know? Yeah.

But it's also, this struck me on the rewatch. Like it's very old fashioned in a lot of ways. And that helped me get my arms back around it. You know, friend, we'll talk about some of the things that maybe didn't age as well or that I bumped on in, beginning of the rewatch. But this is a guy who grew up

loving screwball comedies. I mean, there's the pitter-patter of dialogue, the sort of the wink-wink innuendo, the idea that you can save yourself through dance. I mean, all of this is like Preston Sturges. The thing in the rain is literally shown like multiple times in this film.

Yeah, they do the dance number. I mean, and I think you have to watch the movie through that lens, which is not something that I think I was considering when I was watching it 10 years ago. Or modern audiences might not even be familiar with the references. So it might, I just remember it being covered in a way that was like, oh, this is sort of radical the way he's breaking this down and he's, he's going right for the

jugular and right for the heart. But in fact, it's kind of a throwback movie. Yeah, I mean, and the two of them, the bantering, it's, it's 1930s, screwball comedy all the way. And so is the plot, because it's like, you know, when I read that synopsis, like, if you hadn't seen this film or if you haven't seen this movie in a long time, I think the, the things that stick with you are Bradley Cooper and Robert De Niro and the relationship to the Eagles

and then obviously Bradley Cooper and his relationship to the Jennifer Lawrence character but you forget that the second half of the movie is essentially preparing for and executing a dance competition number and that there is

just this almost like improvisatory unfolding of the plot that's like grabbing things off of like a cork board like index cards like let's do dance let's do

like Chris Tucker's here and let's do this and it's like it doesn't actually like make sense on paper but it makes sense on screen. And there's also an element that I think could be jarring which is like he's doing a screwball classic film with the safe search filters off.

So I don't like I haven't seen the Philadelphia story in a while I don't remember Carrie Grant beating a guy nearly to death with his boots. So you know. But there's a lot of darkness in that film too. Actually like I do you know we'll talk about like double feature or something later

but I think that I think like that's kind of the answer because it's like two very badly damaged people who occasionally are willing to hurt each other very badly. That's true. But then ultimately fun connection. And I mean, I think there's apparently like an even darker version of this film that they shot, like where they had De Niro kind of even angrier.

I think the novel is darker too. Yeah. Like I think in the novel Pat's away for like four years, which there's almost like vestiges of that in their reaction to Pat coming home where they're like, whoa. He's home. Yeah. Like, as if he's been away on a bid.

But, like, in the movie, I think it's supposed to be like something like four months or a couple of months. Yeah. It's eight months. It's eight months. And I don't know if you can make it much darker. Like, you can tell that they kind of... Yes.

They found the outer limit of being able to do that and have it still work. Yeah. And I think that that's why some of Russell's maybe more recent films, like, have failed. You know, I mean, not necessarily failed box office as well. but fail to connect with audiences in a big time way. I mean, to me, this is pretty much as good as he gets. I think I have like a real soft spot for Huckabees. I think based on like where I was in my life and also like not really seeing a lot of movies

that did what Huckabees did at the time. And obviously David O. Russell's like the public persona of him as a filmmaker has sort of aged poorly. I suppose we'll get into that in what's age the worst. but in Bradley Cooper he kind of finds the perfect radio tower like he finds the actor who almost like perfectly captures the Cassavetes meets Cameron Crow tone that he's going for and Zach you've had

you know experiences like writing about Bradley Cooper not only just writing about his movies as a critic but interviewing him and I was curious whether without like speculating how much do you thought like Pat Soliton is like a perfect extension of who he is. Yeah, so I think about this all the time to this day. When I did a story on Bradley Cooper for GQ and one of the people I talked to before that story,

and this was for American Hustles, the year after this movie was 2014. So it was like very, very fresh. I talked to David O. Russell for that story. And I remember he said something that I still think about all the time in regards to Bradley Cooper, which is he talked about his performance in Wedding Crashers, I believe.

And he was like, this guy seemed really, really angry to me. And then I met him and I talked to him. And he was like, yeah, I'm really, really angry. And particularly when I shot that movie, I was like heavier than I was now. I was like more unhappy with myself than I was now. And I was really, really angry. Which are things that Pat talks about. Like Pat in the silver linings is like shedding weight is like the most important thing he can do.

Yes. So they ported like a lot of what was actually going on with Bradley Cooper into this film. And, and I think great directors do this. But, like, if you look at Bradley Cooper's career before this, it's a lot of hangover movies. He's in a movie called Midnight Meat Train. Yeah, which makes him a cameo in this film, yeah. Yeah. And he, again, and I've talked to him about this, was not, like, happy about that track.

No, he was literally written off of 10 years. Written off of alias. Yeah. You know, like off of a TV show. And so this is a person who's unhappy in his life, unfulfilling his career. And David O' Russell says, hey, There's this thing about you that's really interesting. You're being cast as a frat guy.

You're being cast as a Vegas cargo shorts jock. The Vapid Pretty Boy. Yeah. But actually, there's like an anger inside of you. And also like a desire to improve yourself. Yeah. And they live side by side. And I am going to put that on screen.

And Bradley Cooper's career after this is never the same. He's nominated for an Oscar for this movie. And he goes on to basically only do prestige stuff with great directors or stuff he's done himself. Or voice a raccoon. Yeah. And this is, yeah. Which might be his best performance.

Yeah, I do. I do love that raccoon. And this is the turning point. This is David O. Russell saw it and put it on screen. You saw what Bradley Cooper was truly great at. And you see it in this movie. And it's amazing. And it is very much rooted in like a true thing about Bradley Cooper.

There's a lot of that in this movie, I think, which is like making anything creatively as lightning in a bottle. But you have to see something. A director usually has. to see something and then communicate it to the audience, right? And it's not just seeing it in Bradley Cooper. It's seeing it in Jennifer Lawrence, who was absolutely not right for the part as it was written.

It was way too young. But he understood that she would bring something that was necessary to it. It's even in the tone that we're talking about. Like, how do you find that line? How do you communicate a very, very dark story in a way that's going to be a crowd pleaser? Yeah.

And it's interesting to watch David O. Russell's career after it because he is, to a degree, chasing that chemistry, right? He's like, my sensibilities haven't changed. Why can't I calibrate it exactly right? And I feel like, while he's made good to decent to good movies since, like, I don't know if he's ever got the dials right the way he got it in this one. Yeah.

And I don't think that's a fault of his. I just think it's really hard. And it doesn't seem like, I mean, the sort of tightness of screenplays and does never really seem to matter to him that much. I mean, his movies are rambling all over the place. It sounds like he does a lot of finding of the film both on the set when he's shooting and then in the editing room when he decides

like the tone of the film but you mentioned Jennifer Lawrence so we should talk about her before we get into the categories because I forgot that this was the same year as Hunger Games and obviously we can get into like Apex Mountain stuff

but I was kind of reminded you know she's been quote unquote with us for the better part of a decade now and she's kind of like not only a staple of movie theaters but is kind of taken on like she's a celebrity

she's like she's like she's memeified. She's when she goes on hot ones. She does great appearances at award shows. She just was like, if I don't wait, I'm leaving at the Golden Globes. She's been on the rewatchables.

She's been on the rewatchables. It was, it was wild to go back to this and see the raw uncut. This is it, man. Yeah. And again, we can talk about Apex Mountains of later,

but like, what she's doing in this movie is awesome. Yeah. And the fact that there's like a record of like 21-year-old Jennifer Lawrence absolutely throwing heat, like, with Bradley Hooper, but, like, in scenes with Robert De Niro, just, like, standing up and firing on all cylinders

is awesome to see. She's a five-tob player in this movie. Like, she can make you laugh, make you cry, scare you. She dances. She can do very written mount monologues, like the ju-ju one that she does to De Niro, but she can also be like, you're fucking killing me to Julia Stiles.

And you're like, is this General Rollins? Like, holy shit. Like, this is really, really, really, just such a raw human experience. And an extremely funny performance. And she's 21 when she makes this, or 20 when they film it? 20, 21 when they filmed it.

Probably Cooper 37. It's not the, not I feel. But it works. I mean, it's one of the more amazing recent examples of, like, none of this makes any sense. But I guess David O'Russle was committed, and he was right. Yeah.

Well, we should also mention that, I think one of the reasons why Cooper is so resonant this film is that he is also a Philadelphia and is also an Eagles fan is probably their most famous fan right now since Taylor Swift decided to become a Chiefs fan so... Rejecting her Pennsylvania heritage?

Cooper often seen at Eagles games like he is he's sort of stuck with the program after after this movie. He's from Abington? He's from Abington. He's from Abington. Legitimate, real bona fide Eagles fan. Yeah. Did you vet him when you were with him? Did you like...

He vetted me. Did you really? Yeah. It was like, it was honestly like, with Philly people can go two ways, and here I talked about this, it can either be like, we're brothers for life, which kind of, I think, represents this table, for instance, people talking right now, or it's like kind of like, we're probably going to fight at this bar. And he and I were both kind of laughing.

Like, I think we're like in the fight category. I think we are, yeah, we kind of are. And it's like that kind of like you're puffing at your chest and he's puffing on his chest. And we're like, it was actually the day I interviewed, I remember was like when Nick Folls through, I think, seven touchdowns. against the Raiders, was it seven.

And we were, like, talking about that. Who's counting, you know? Yeah, who's counting? Who remembers that? And we're, like, kind of, like, both excited about it, but also, like, somehow, like, disagreeing already. Over what it meant? Yeah, over what it went. But he's a real, he's a real Philly dude.

This movie made more than $200 million worldwide. What a time to be alive? It's insane. On, like, what, like a $20 million budget or something? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a pretty incredible. moment where this flight, Argo, Zero Dark 30, like these sort of big studio

dramas are getting into the hundreds of millions of box office returns. But also, does this trajectory even happen anymore? Because it premiered at Toronto at the end of 2012, right? And then it won the audience award. Everyone's like, oh, people are talking. People are talking. There's good buzz. And then there was still a infrastructure

in theaters that it's like, does the slow release and starts making money and people love it. Yeah, I think you even referenced in your Grantland article, like, this is finally out. It's been kind of a trickling out for a while. A platformed it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And you could, like, read a review about it, but a lot of places you couldn't see it. And, yeah, it went wide, like, at the end of December. Right around Christmas, perfect time. People say a lot of bad things about Harvey Weinstein. But the guy could platform awards movies. This got the big five Oscar Noms. Pick, director, actor, actress script. Jennifer Lawrence won for actress.

Also had a supporting actor for De Niro and supporting actress for Jackie Weaver. Nomination. Nominations. Yeah. So only one, the one. Roger Ebert, three and a half stars. We're fully aware of the plot conventions at work here, the wheels and gears churning within the machinery.

But with these actors, this velocity, and the oblique economy of the dialogue, we realize we don't often see it done this well. Silver Linings playbook is so good, it could almost be a terrific old classic. There it is. There you go. That's why it's on the rewatchables.

If you take a quick break, and we'll come back and do the categories. Most rewatchable scene. So, as Andy said, right before we started the podcast, an almost, like, frenetic bursts of scenes. So it's, like, hard to sometimes say, like, oh, this is the iconic moment. And there's a lot of iconic moments in this movie. But the scenes themselves, like, bleed. They're fast.

It's a really, like... The movie tumbles out, like it's being spoken. Good way of putting it. It's like a no huddle offense. How's that? It is. But I think there are some extremely memorable. Yeah, they schemed up.

couple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll go through a couple here that I have written down. Pat goes to Ronnie's for dinner. We meet Ronnie and Veronica. You know, we get, we get Ronnie's take on the commercial real estate market, which is worth mentioning, I think, because Russell wanted this movie. He wanted the 2008

season because of the housing crisis and get that tarp loan in there. And Ronnie's like, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. Sometimes I feel like I'm just... Also, Apex Mountain for iPods. I don't know if we've There you get. Wait, don't jump ahead.

Wall Mountain, yeah. Yeah. But this is where we meet Tiffany. And we get, like, her very morden sense of humor about, like... It's a drawer in the morgue. It's a drawer in the morning. You're going to pump a body full of formaldehyde. You know, Pat asks if you can play Ride the Lightning for a baby.

I don't know if either of you guys have tried that with your children. Yeah. And when Pat sees her, he's like, you look nice! And we get that first burst of, like, this is how these two are going to relate to each other. You look nice? Thank you. I'm not flirting with you. I didn't think you were.

I just see that you made an effort and I'm gonna be better with my wife. I'm working on that. I want to acknowledge her beauty. I never used to do that. I'm gonna do that now because we're gonna be better than ever. Nikki. Just practicing. How'd Tommy die?

What about your job? I just got fired, actually. Oh, really? How? I mean, I'm sorry. How'd that happen? Does it really matter? transparency and candor and emotional intensity. We call it radical honesty, I think, in addiction therapy.

Okay. Which I admit for the Eagles. But please go on. There is one scene I like before this, which is when he's reading a farewell to arms and throws it out the window. That's a good one. Yeah. I think his relationship to literature is really pretty amazing.

I have sort of as the replacement for the throwing the book out the window. I had Pat looks for his wedding video and gets his ass beat by his dad. I don't find that rewatchable. But we'll circle back. This is the thing, is that some people may find the intense moments the most watchable. Tiff and Pat's first date, for instance, is... It's pretty high up there for me. It's at the Lanark Diner.

Yes. And in Upper Darby? Upper Derby. Yeah. And... Is it like the borders? Like Drexel? I think Lanark is like Upper Darby.

There's like some lands down in there. It's... Well, we... When do you want to talk about the Lanark Diner? We can talk about it a bit. But I... So this is up there, you know... Right before that...

The first running scene when he's out jogging. It's right after the, when he's looking for his wedding video. And she goes, hey, what happened to your face? And he says weight lifting accident. Yeah, that often happens to be. Hey! Whoa, hey! What the hell?

What happened to your face? Weightlifting accident? That sounds like bullshit. Why'd you run by my house? Our little conversation gets you upset last night. Hey, this is my route. Okay, just back off. This is my neighborhood.

You just ran by my house. I like to run by myself, okay? Me too. Hey, I like to run alone. Will you stop? Okay? I'm running here. Me too.

Well, then why don't you run somewhere else? There's a fucking tons of roads to run it. What are you trying to do? I like this road. This is my neighborhood. Oh, come on, please. Calm down, crazy. Like, that is the screwball of physical comedy stuff in this movie that is the levity, is the balance.

Yeah. Like, it's legit funny how she keeps pot. popping out behind, like, trees and stuff when he's running, and he's like, what the... Like, he's, like, all freaking out. And she's like, what happened to your... Like, he's like, what happened to your wife? He's like, your husband's dead, you know, and they're yelling each other. Yeah, and I think it's smart to point that out because I think for, like, the great movie

directors of musicals and things, the things that they understood was physical proximity and how to utilize it on camera. And this movie does it so well in both ways. It's like when she pops out and surprises him and he jumps back and screwball and it's funny, you understand what it means and where they are physically in the landscape. But then also there's a flip side to it. Like when he sees his old colleague at the school and keeps getting closer and closer to her,

and she's screaming. She's like, how? And we understand the physical proximity to Pat Solitano is not always in the good book. So you get Tiff and Pat's first date, Tiff's dance studio, and that's a feeling, and we find out what happened to Tommy.

And that's singing in the rain, and they're doing the dance steps. That's the training montage. It's the Dylan and Cash playing. Yeah. Girl in the North Country. Yeah. The Giants game tailgate.

Dr. Patel comes. That's nice. Jake's there. Dark turn. Dark turn. Starts nice. Don't drink too much. Don't hit anybody and you'll be fine.

That goes right into... That's what I say before I go over to your house. In the car. And then you show up for the six-pack of delightful Mexican logger. I do love this tailgate scene. I like legitimately love it. And Bradley Cooper doing like the bird flap with... Have you ever done much tailgating?

No. Me neither. No, I haven't. So in the tailgate scene, the great John Ortiz we should talk about, he's fantastic in the movie as Ronnie. Like, he is famously a New Yorker. He had to like put on a jersey, right? And like, do Fly Eagles fly stuff? I'm sure he was, that's what the money's for. It's partly what the money's for, but also if they did film it, you probably have more data than I do. Did they actually go to a tailgate to film this? It looks like it's at the link. Yeah. I think it's at the link. I think it's like legit at the link. So also I think there was an element of like he wanted to leave set that day with his teeth, right? So like he had to commit it. Yeah.

I mean, it's interesting that you think that like the other actors in this movie had to swallow their pride to participate in a $200 million Oscar winning film. To debase themselves to be like us. Yes. This is what I think of us. This is also the scene where Bradley Cooper is like, like, where Pat is like, I'm not going to fight. I'm not going to fight. Just calm down. We're the real evil fans.

Hey, go my brother. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, come. Get him. Get him. I'm not going to fight. Yes. He's trying his best to sort of become this better person. That leads into the It's All Ruined now, meltdown from De Niro, and then Tiff's explanation of why his superstitions are actually, like, they're the reverse. It's like, it's Pat not being at these games and not watching these games that's leading the Eagles.

that's leading the Eagles towards their... So I wanted to ask you guys about this. Because when this film came out and I saw it, I was like, this scene is pornography. Yeah. It's like Jennifer Lawrence reading victorious Eagle scores to Robert De Niro. Yes.

I was like, cinema has peaks with this scene. Yeah. Some people do ASMR, you just watch this scene. Yes. That's right. You are why today's happened. I think so. Let's talk about that.

Be my guest. The first night that Pat and I met at my sisters, the Eagles beat the 49ers handily 40 to 26. The second time we got together, we went for a run, and the Phillies beat the Dodgers 7 to 5 in the NLCS. She's right, Dad. The next time we went for a run, the Eagles beat the Falcons 27 to 14.

The third time we got together, we had Razenbrand in the diner, and the Phillies dominated Tampa Bay in the fourth game of the World Series 10 to 2. Oh, wow. Fascinating. Oh, let me think about that. Wait a minute.

Well, why don't you think about, when the Eagles beat the Seahawks 14 to 7. He was with you? He was with me. We went for a run. Really? There have been no game since Pat and I have been rehearsing every day. And if Pat had been with me like he was supposed to,

he wouldn't have gotten a fight. He wouldn't be in trouble. Maybe the Eagles beat the New York Giants. She'd make a lot of sense, Pop. That's all right on all accounts. Watching it again, I was like, is this pandering? Am I being pandered to? or is this still the greatest scene

I've ever seen in my life? It's like Bryce Harper wearing fanatic sneakers. Like, I don't care. Yeah, I think so, too. I think sometimes you've got to play the hits and this is just an extraordinary scene. Like, she's basically maintained

for most of the movie that she doesn't give a shit about football. She doesn't want to see foot, like news. She doesn't want the inquirer in her house. She doesn't want it. It's all about the dance routine. And obviously, she's been clocking the Eagle season acutely the entire time

and has this entire, like, sort of astronomical explanation as to why the Eagles do or don't do certain things and why Pat Senior needs to let Pat Jr. go. The line reading, Shea Wigam being like, she's right, Pop. He's the responsible one. I think this is, I don't know if you're done reading the list, this is

my most rewatchable scene for exactly the reasons you're talking about. I think astronomical is a good word to use here because I do think there's an element of like solar bodies and gravity because the scene prior to her entering into it and refuting the juju is careening into like weird, sloppy 70s cosplay of like a lot of actors acted real loud on top of each other. And then Jennifer Lawrence comes in and it's just like,

no, no, this is why the tides are the way they are. I am in charge of this movie and in charge of this scene. Yes. And it's electrified. When she finishes that monologue, she literally pops the top off of Budweiser and takes the swing. Yes. Now, could it have been a yingling?

Yeah, that's my nitick. But okay, we'll move on. The last two that I had were the dance competition and then the last letter. The only way you can meet my crazy was... Crazy was by doing something crazy yourself. Thank you. I love you.

I knew at the minute I met you. I'm sorry it took so long for me to catch up. I just got stuck. Pat. I wrote that a week ago. You wrote that a week ago? Yes, I did. You let me lie to you for a week?

I was trying to be romantic. Which arguably, to your point about kind of like it all flowing together, you could mash those together. Yeah. Dance competition into them spilling outside into the Diamond District when the camera's like rotating around. Yes. That's a lot of fives guys. A lot of fours guys. I think for me most rewatchable scene is Tiff explains superstition.

Yeah. It's the Jennifer Lawrence highlight reel right there. It is. It's iconic. Although the ending, it's almost like cheating to be like, hey, the romantic ending where they kiss in the diamond district and everything feels good. But also, like, the dance sequence is really good, you know? Yeah. And like the, when he finishes and John Ortiz is like, yeah, Pat!

It's just like your friend would if you did it, you know? I love that they just have to get a five, too. But the, and I actually, like, watching their dance weeks, I didn't notice any, like, obvious mistakes. I guess maybe their degree of difficulty. Well. The finishing move. is a disaster. Sure.

And I think it's meant to be a disaster. She's like half on him and they're like teetering. It's wonderfully Philadelphian that like at no point did she really like research the competition she had entered them into? You know, in terms of like the quality of the competition or what the expectation. Until the parlay comes up and then she's like, yes, we are dancing against professionals. So she has some awareness. Yes.

So we're going to go with Tiff explains superstition is the most rewatchable scene. What's age the best? Oh, come on. Mapping a movie against the sports season is elite. And this sports season, the 2008 Philadelphia Eagles, is an awesome sports season. It's like they don't even really explain, they have the sort of Dallas dance competition parlay,

but the Eagles needed, if we want to get real about this, they needed the Texans to be the Bears, and they needed the Raiders to beat the Buccaneers as double-digit underdogs. Both things happen. And then they stomp, The Cowboys, 44 to 6. This is Brian Dawkins's last year as an Eagle. This is the great Jim Johnson's last year.

As DC. As DC. This is like one of the really, really, really cool, great, fun Eagles. And if you go through the season, they kept winning the games they weren't supposed to and losing the games they were supposed to. There was a tie. I mean, it was an absurd, absurd season on paper. They had a losing record as recently as like week 10 or something.

Yeah. And the Deshawn Jackson dropping the ball at the one-yard line is, is an, iconic you always play for better of this is this is rookie season

and it becomes I mean it's it's pretty wild because like to most people I think that is a sports

fact away that's kind of slipped away from the national memory and it's like silver linings playbook uses the

Deshawn Jackson spikes the ball at the one yard line as a metaphor for like these guys and not being able to get their

shit together and like the endzone's right there and they can't get in yeah yeah what else is

oh so I was just going to say as far as like telling a story with the backdrop of a sports season going, one of me and Andy's favorite novels is The Sweet Forever, which is a George Pelicanos book that is a crime story told with the backdrop of Len Bias's last season at Maryland going up into the fateful draft night and everything that happened afterwards. But it's like this incredible like March Madness is kind of happening in the background.

The book said in D.C. so it's hometown kid. Yeah. Do you want to start the book for a while? People should just set stories against sports seasons. But I think even on top of that, like what age the best for me was just the living prevalence of the psychological anguish of being a Philadelphia sports fan.

Yeah. Like that has aged super well to the degree where I was watching this movie and I was like, I think this movie is about Nixiriani. Like I think it's profoundly about a guy who believes in just like believes his own bullshit of like Silver Life. Next week is going to be different. Yeah, we're just going to keep doing the same thing because we don't want it badly enough. If we watch Hoosier twice.

I'm not listening to the facts on the ground. I'm not worried about that. I'm going to get by with a positive attitude. Who needs to pre-snap motion if you got a cool t-shirt. That's right. Exactly. What else age is best? Jennifer Lawrence.

We talked about it. I just, the moment captured here has aged incredibly well. You really, you really see. Because I think it's true with the Bradley performance, too. Because both of them, after this, become huge, huge Hollywood stars. And I think they're both incredibly gifted actors and are good in almost everything they're in. But, like, the layers of self-regard and understanding

who they are in the industry and their power and, like, that they might be nominated for Oscars. None of that's there. Yeah. It's very raw. Like, Bradley Cooper obviously is, like, fighting for his life. He's had a decade in the wilderness, and she's been in Winter's Bone and everybody's like, who the fuck is this?

Yes, and it's about to be, like, a franchise star, but is about to be the biggest movie. But is not. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like as unvarnished as you'll ever see stars of this quality. It's also, I think, important to know, it's like the last moment where they were willing to trust someone else's vision of who they are and what they could be, because after this, they write their own ticket. They choose the movies. This project's come to them. And we see them have struggles with that, varying degrees. I mean, I don't think Bradley Cooper's last 10 years has been a struggle by any stretch. But what he wants to show us, himself is one thing and it is not this thing.

Yeah. And Jennifer Lawrence has had, I think, a rock year go with it, where she's like, I guess I am a star from the Oscar from the box office. So I will pick my project and it will be Red Sparrow or whatever that movie was, right? And that's not helping. In some ways, she seems like she's slightly reorienting around stuff like this movie again. Yeah, and she said... Yeah, because she understands what...

Within the last couple of years, one of the reasons why she changed agents is because she felt like she was not getting like Safty Brothers scripts. Like, she was not getting look-ins on the stuff. the material that she really wanted to be a part of. And I think if there's any disappointment to her career, she's had a really great one, is that this version of her is kind of left back in the 2012 era, and she hasn't really explored that particular space in a while.

And maybe you can't. Maybe you can't go back to that well all the time. But there's a special kind of magic when it's someone's rookie season or their breakout season. That's exactly right. It's true. She is the Deshawn Jackson. That's what I'm going for.

100%. You're never going to be that person again because of your success. I also think what age is the best. Sneaky awesome Christmas movie and sneaky

awesome Halloween Thanksgiving Christmas run. It's mapped against more or less the second half of the

Eagle season. And it winds up You see Halloween. You see Christmas. You get the Christmas decorations on Jewler's Row.

It's just awesome. We talked about the weather and like it, I don't know if they filmed it exactly at that time, but it looks like

they did. If it's summer, they did a great job mask. So everything else seems pretty, pretty accurate. iPods. Miss them. I miss just like, I don't need the, I don't need my, also my

phone device and the internet in my hand. I just really want my 7,000 top songs. Also, wasn't it funny that like, when we had iPods and we were like, man, this is changing everything. And then to watch the way they interact with the iPod where he's just like basically doing what we would do when we would go to each other's apartments and look at

each other's TV shelves. Oh, yeah, what's that? Stranglers. That you love stranglers. I know that about you. It felt very sweet and very quaint. This movie year, you mentioned it? Yeah. Just very fun. Flight, Argo, the master, Django, Lincoln. Just like a very rich film year. Yeah, prestige movies that actually entertained and was just like, I felt like most of the movies you would come out of

and have like a really great two beers and a pizza conversation about them, which is pretty rare. spending father son time reading about the eagles talking about them I think that this is pretty much the model for our relationship we read about the Eagles and then we talk about them yeah it's true I really hung up on DeNair's part of where he's just like does I want to spend time together I want you to sit next to me while the game is on that's what this is for we'll spend time together I'm like wow American manhood

him like having Jackie Weaver pass like the inquirer sports section. Yes. So Bradley Cooper, like it's like the Holy Grail or something. I'm trusting this to you. It's incredible.

It's this and it's the Noah Baumbach kicking and screaming of Elliot Gould leaving messages on Josh Hamilton. Nick's in trouble. Knicks, call me to discuss. That's how we were raised.

No, when I came down to sit at the breakfast table before school, like I couldn't pick up the sports page until my father was done with it. And that meant like, maybe he hadn't read it yet. It was not to be disturbed.

until it was... I went to a sleepaway summer camp and the Poconos and the... I would open... I would get mail from my parents. I would open the mail and it would just be

the Phillies box score. Oh my God. Are you serious? The whole summer. Yeah. I was just like, there was no like note or anything. I was just like...

Communication from a father. Box score out of the paper and put it an envelope and send it to you. Have you thought about with your son whether or not you're going to spend time reading about the Eagles

and talking about them with him? Yeah, I don't think he's going to have much of it. a choice in that. So you're not going to let him choose his own adventure. No, absolutely. No.

Anything like that. Okay. Do you think, Chris, do you think the Solitano family ever argued over one of your dad's reviews in the inquiry? Do you feel like he ever, like, said a crossword about a movie that they loved? The Baron family doesn't.

I don't know if they... Yeah, oh, for sure. It's interesting to imagine, like, what's movie night at the Solitano house? Yeah, what are they firing up? Well, I, yeah, I'm going to say this for picking that. Okay. I haven't thought about this.

I would say it's probably not the conversation in my household or My father would be like, Desmond Ryan, another four stars from Merchant Ivory, an Anglophile. He's from England. It's okay. What stage is the best, Shea Wiggum as Jake, the least Italian person in this movie. With all, I mean, I don't know his 23 and me, but I don't think he's Italian. And yet, like, is just the best brother and him being like, you lost your wife. I'm getting engaged.

How do it really well at work? You lost your house. I'm getting a new house. You lost your job. Things are going great for me at the firm. But he's fucking crying when he's telling him this. And he's just like, I just want to connect with you. And then his buddy's like giving Pat a hard time at the game.

He's like, I talk to you guys about this. Yeah. Yeah. What kind of law do you think Jake practiced? Oh. Tax? Yeah, I think he's more abundant. He doesn't have a bill.

I don't think he has a billboard by 90 on 95. Because he's helping dad find like basically a tax shelter for his book. Yeah. That's why I kind of thought real estate. maybe, you know, you move some money around. He's not a flashy courtroom litig there. I don't feel like he's got the gift.

My last, my last What's Age the Best is the guy who tries to film Pat's breakdown. And he's just like on the early... This is interesting. But this is David O. Russell's son. Okay. Well, he invents World Star.

Yeah. No, I mean, I think World Star is probably around by them, but like the idea of like, oh, is something disturbing happening? Let me film it. He invents the next door app. Yeah. That's what he's doing. I will say that's not the clearest threat in the film where you're like, what does this kid doing?

Yeah, I feel like there's like another scene there. Yeah. But I do you feel like we didn't get closure on that? I think the implication is that Pat has long been a disturbance on this block. And that, like, it has now become like, oh, Pat's flipping out. Everybody's calling the cops. And this guy's like a world start. But this goes back to the proximity thing.

It's one of those sneaky best things about the movie is the sense that everyone is living on top of each other. And everybody knows everybody's business. Yeah. And De Niro's like, shows over. go home the way the light snap on instantly when they're shouting. This is a lived in place. Yeah. And I think that there is a real like Philadelphia neighborhoods have like their own.

Justice. I was just trying to figure out a way to put that. That was like your own designated police officer? Yeah. And also well I'll get to officer Keo. But like just the way in which like yeah, if there was a disturbance at one house, everybody would be aware of it. Anything else that I missed for what stage the best?

I stick with anguish personally. Anguish, okay. I'm gonna go with Jennifer Lawrence for this one. Kick Cutty Pursuit a Happiness Award for the Best Needle Drop. For me, this is the early days of me feeling like needle drops are getting a little out of control in Hollywood. I just want to say that we've been now in year 11 of this where there's really no rhyme or reason as to why a 60s stack song is on at any given point in a movie. But that being said, this movie has really good music, and I love Grohl, Girl from the North Country. I love it, too.

The Zeppelin needle drop in this movie. Back when Zeppelin probably was like, that's 150K from jump. Rips. It's like he's got it at like 13. Yeah. It's so loud. It's like, you know, it's like what is and what should ever be at full volume while three different people are having like a nervous breakdown. Yeah.

I'm girl from North Country. Yeah. Just because it's a sneaky jab. It's not expected at a moment. It's not expected at a moment. It's lovely. Beautiful folk song while they're doing their dance preparation. It's a great training montage.

It's very beautiful. Very inventive. And it's a really smart, subtle coding of we're taking this seriously. Because the movie is, when you watch it again, you realize that there's a very sure hand behind the wheel, but like it jumps around. And so we're not sure which things to be investing in, which things to take seriously. And that calms everybody down. My wife and I were re-watching this last night, and the scene came on, and she started shazaming the song.

And I was like, it's girl from the North Country. It's Bob Dylan. And she's like, okay, and she's still shazming it. I'm like, to be fair, it is a different version. But I was like, I guarantee you that's what the song is. Like, I know, like, you don't have to shazam this. And there was a reason for it, but. Fast forward. Like, everything's ruined.

You're moving. This is an interesting one. The Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. Yeah. I have to be completely honest. I've never heard of Crabys and Home Mates. I don't think that's a thing. Yeah.

So apparently that is something that Matthew Quick, the author of the novel's mother made, and he is from South Jersey. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm just saying I have never encountered crabbies and homades. To be clear, so I did some research on this that I probably did 10 years ago too, but did not remember. I'm halfway there.

Crabby snacks seems like a very, very plausible pasta hors d'oeuvre on a Sunday. Crab on an English muffin with cheese, basically. It's like you make a crab dip. You use either crab meat or imitation crab meat and mix it with cheese, and you put it on like a cut up, toasted something, which muffin. That I buy 100%. And homemade, if you look it up, it seems to be freshly made pasta. Right.

Which also you never see on screen. I feel like I, too, looked that up, and then I was like, where is the pasta? I don't really see either thing. Also, that seems like, look, I'm all for, you know, at a dinner table, at a party. You mix the cult, high-low. You mix the high-low. So you get the imitation crab meat, but you're also rolling out the dough, you know, and you're making a lovely home.

But I don't understand the connection. And also, to your point is right, we see her make the brujol. That makes sense. I think the connection is supposed to be that there is no connection, and this family is like a little bit insane. Right. My nominee for this is the Raisin brand. Yeah.

Do you want to share this? Why did you order Raisinbrand? Why did you order tea? Because you ordered Raisin Bramette. I ordered Raisin Bram because I didn't want there to be any mistaking it for a date. It can still be a date if you order Raisin Brin Brin. It's not a date. When he orders Raisin Brin Brin at Lanark Diner,

first of all, the way it's brought to him with the glass of milk and the Razenbrand is in the box, but in the bowl so that he can do it. And then they're a little back and forth where he's like, You're just getting teed. She's like, well, you got Raisin Brand. Her face when he orders Raisin Brand. It's incredible.

I also enjoy Pat Sr. Spending his gambling winnings on opening a cheese steak restaurant. Yes. You know, which is, again, like, there are moments in this film

where you're like, are you pandering to me, basically? Yeah, how on the nose can this get? He has, like, artistic renderings of a cheese steak restaurant? I do wish, and I made an allusion to this before, but like the specificity goes out the window when it comes to the beers.

Like I know people everywhere drink Budweiser, but I do wish we could have seen a couple of yinglings or rolling rocks just to like... Yeah, they didn't cut that check. They didn't, exactly. They didn't cut the check. All I want to do is sit here and talk to you about Lanark Diner, which is where I spent most of high school. And we could get to it in a moment.

I think it's coming up. That's scene stealing location. I have ordered cereal there. Uh-huh. That is how it arrives. It is a missed opportunity for not to have them order the signature menu item at the Lanark Diner, which is their famous Snapper soup, which is available year-round. By the Lannark Diner is open right now.

And where do they get their snapper? Where do they sort? Now, to be clear, Snapper is a turtle. Yeah. This is not fish. Where do they source it? Probably near where Matthew Quick grew up in South Jersey. They'll never tell.

But like... Like the canal next to Mannyok? Yeah, that's the thing. There's certain things that are like, yeah, it's a diner. It's a diner anywhere. You can get raisin brim. But snapper soup. Do you know a spell Lanner?

for the people at home? Would people not speak Celtic? What? People not, like, there's a certain, this is the other thing. It's L-L-L-L-L-A-N-R-C-H. Yeah, and the second L-L is silent. Lanark.

But it's not like a Spanish, it's not like a Yon-Ark. I think this is actually, it's an E instead of a... Oh, it's Lanark with an E? Yeah, yeah. It's one of the most hideous words that you'll ever see right now.

So, look, we live in your Balak-Kinwood. Like, I'm not going to start throwing... Spelling Schukel is still... gave me. Denethees Benihana Award for the scene stealing location. Oh, here we are. We can do outside of the link. We can do Lanark Diner. It's the link for me. Sorry, sorry to your childhood.

It's Lanark Dyer. Everything. Monterella sticks and coffee. I'm going to go Lanark because it's just a perfect, it's a perfect moment. I love when the lady stops him. It's like, slow down, raising brand. Yeah. Like, I have... That must be such a bummer. You get a table and it's like, this is like a $3 table right now. They're open.

They're open. They've been open. every second since I last set foot in there in the 90s. They have never closed. Still open now, yeah. It's open right now, 24 hours a day. And the amount of time I spent there being like, oh, I'm not really sure about this English paper. I'll sit here and think about it with a cup of mediocre coffee

and mozzarella sticks. And just like, yeah, I'll find myself staring out into the 6 p.m. Twilight. Mediocre coffee and mozzarella sticks. That was your combo? Oh, yeah, coffee and mozzarella sticks. What are you talking about? You guys would eat coffee with mozzarella sticks? This is why I drink coffee. Have you never been

a diner before? I've been to a diner, but I usually If you go to a diner at an off hour, I'm not saying you go for breakfast, I'm not saying you go for dinner, but you meet your friend there at like 8 p.m. 9 p.m. Yeah, all right. I usually would go pancakes or I would go BLT. Chris, the 10 p.m. pancake order

is worthy of its own podcast. The great shot Gorder Award for the most cinematic shot. I think this is the patented David O. Russell high speed pullout shot like pullback. Dolly that he does. in the fighter, but he also does here

with the final kiss. Gotta be. Gotta be. And the Diamond District looking so beautiful. Yeah, it's like all those stores close at like 3.30. And then it turns into

one of the secretly most beautiful parts of the city, especially during the holidays. Shout out Robin Zathan Wallna. They closed. Did they? Yeah. What was the one with the guy

with the diamond? That's Robin Zathan Wallach. They would do the doo-op singing any of the diamond in his beard. The runner up here, though, when Pat and and John Ortiz are doing the bird flap at the game in slow motion.

Truly Gordon Willis somewhere in heaven. That's right. That's right. Being like, my work here is done. The Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure, this character was actually good at his job. A lot of nominees in this one, I think. I'm going to go Dr. Patel. Yes. Get a strategy.

Isn't that your job, Doc? He's like, we're going to strategy. I'm like, what is the therapist for? I just think that he, first of all, like, the patient doctor relationship is very blurry. he's showing up at Pat's house. But it gets blurry. Yeah, it gets blurry after the Eagles game. But even before that, I feel like he's giving him, like, maybe some wrong directions here.

And it seems kind of like there's not, they're not really interrogating a lot of Pat's feelings. Yeah, fake, befriend Tiffany. Yeah. So that you're... So Nikki will see you that you're proving as a person. Right. That seems like a mission impossible. You're bearing the lead here.

I'm willing to forgive all of the ethical lapses that are revealed once they discover that they're both lunatic tailgators. Like that, at a certain point, to your, what you were saying is exactly, like, they've discovered that they are blood brothers now, and that is deeper, deeper than any professional obligation. What if you saw your therapist on, like, Eagles Reddit in like a Brian Johnson thread? I would feel so much better. I would feel so much safer, to be honest. Yeah. But you're forgetting the most egregious thing that he does, which, unless we're meant to believe that this isn't real. But when Pat shows up for the first time in the office,

and my Sharia Moore is playing. That's right. And he's like, I wanted to see if your violent trigger still triggers you with other patients in the lot. That is, can you disbar doctors? Yeah, because for a second, you're like, oh, is Pat hearing this? Just like you're thinking that maybe outside of the movie theater when he and Tiff have left the diner and he's having the meltdown.

And I think in that, in the movie theater scene, is he hearing it when it's not there? At the time, it's not really... But in the doctor's office, it's playing. Because I never tell. I wanted to see if it would still trigger it in. This is the plot of the mediocre show shrinking from this year, where Jason Siegel's like, my life's ruined,

so I'm going to be honest with these guys. He's like, you've got a drug problem. You should leave that guy. And the patients are like, my God, you've solved therapy. This is incredibly unprofessional and may be dangerous. Did you have any other nominees for the Vincent Chase Award? Yes. The police officer, I'm not sure if this guy...

On my list? It's like, he's like very severe sometimes, but then like the night where they all assault each other, he just shows up and he's like, yeah, man, you gotta not hit each other. He does a lot of like, I might take you back to Baltimore, but not today. But not today. But then he rolls up with a whole crew to personally take Chris Tucker back to Baltimore, which is just maybe he's freelancing off the clock. He also was at the dance competition, I believe, for reasons that are not explained. This is, I'm willing to accept this, and I don't think he wins because I believe the character is being used as a comedic prop. The way that he shows up instantly,

where that is very funny. It suggests that he has been personally assigned to the Solitano household and is always available. It's also worth it to me because then when he hits on Tiffany, it's very funny. It is very funny.

But yes, I do feel like in terms of like his larger policing assignments versus his fixation on this one family. It's like he's Wyatt Earp and this is the territory he's been assigned. There's no other cops in Ridley Park, Upper Darby, anywhere around. He's the guy who pulls up at the movie theater.

Yeah. Like, just randomly it's him. day, night, he seems to work 24-hour shifts. Doesn't do anything ever. Three in the morning, yeah. I have two others. Okay. De Niro as a bookmaker?

That's a good question. I had this question, too, because, like, is a bookmaker supposed to just be like, I'm betting it all on the Eagles? With my one friend, the only person that I engage with. We're going to get to Randy in a second. Okay. So I have questions. De Niro's, you know, as we get older, our world narrows a bit. So he's really just his couch, his handkerchief, Randy.

and these beautiful schematic drawings of a restaurant. So I understand that it's like narrowed a little bit, but it does seem like he's making all this money bookmaking with Randy. We don't really see anybody else. I think Randy is maybe a fellow bookmaker and wants his action, because that's what's up for in the final bet is like Randy would get the book, he would get the restaurant, et cetera. But yes, a very old school, back when Cousin Sal used to bet Your Majesty's kind of

bookmaker where it's like everything's in an envelope. Right. Okay. Last one. The one judge who gives them a 5.3. Oh, yeah. Oh, I could see that. Yeah. I'm fine with that. I just felt like it was a pretty buttoned up operation. If I'm Pat Senior, I'm paying that guy off. You know what I mean?

You're identifying in advance who the weak link is. I also think you're just underrating the dance routine. I feel like that's pretty good. Yeah. I'm just asking the questions. I'm the asshole. All right. I want them to win. I don't want the cowboys to win. I think we're going to go Dr. Patel here, though. Although the cop is a good runner-up. The Butch's Girl for an award for the weeklink of the movie.

Let's have the Chris Tucker conversation. Oh, I'm ready for this. Yeah. It's, nothing's really wrong with the performance per se. I don't really know what his character does that John Ortiz's character couldn't do other than unlocking the dance choreography when he randomly shows up at the back of Tiff's house. Because, like, everybody's just like, yeah, that's Danny. He's also from the mental hospital, but it's cool. I want to be clear. Baltimore is not that close.

It's not. We all have been to the aquarium. Takes forever. But it takes forever. There's that tunnel. It is not... The Fort McHenry, yeah. It's not an easy jaunt.

Yeah. He's dropping 95 gems. I'm surprised by this. I like Chris Tucker in this film. Okay. I do. I recently watched, speaking of movies that are only needle drops, I recently watch the motion picture air.

Okay. And I was reminded when Chris Tucker is in movies. he's usually playing the role of Chris Tucker. I thought that this was a movie where he was trying out some different stuff. I remember at the time thinking that he was going to get the Adam Sandler Punch Trunk Love

script next. Like people were going to see this because I'm with you, Andy. I think that I like the character. I think that... I think in a movie about mental illness, I think that's why he's there. He's like one more,

one more guy suffering in his own unique way. And I think he actually plays that very beautifully. And I was like, I feel like people are going to see this and make him the lead a movie where, obviously, Chris Zucker, cinema icon, known for being sort of brash and loud and funny. And they're going to take this sort of like woundedness and off-kilterness of this performance. And they're going to like center it in something.

That's not what happened to all. But then the haters, like Chris Ryan said that. I think I'm more criticizing. splitting the basically like the friend responsibilities. I don't like it when movies are like we need another person in this movie to do the job that this one character would do.

But one of the reasons the movie works is because it's always spinning like a gyroscope and like him showing up and having to leave constantly is very funny and destabilizing in a good way. And the jailhouse lawyer seen with De Niro is very funny with holding the two remotes and sit right there and all that stuff. That's good.

What stage the worst? The depiction of mental health? Hit me, because this was a conversation at the time. It was, we were in our internet take era, and like, pretty soon around the release of this movie, there are pieces on Vulture, there are pieces on Slate that are like, how Silver Lighting's playbook gets mental health from. And yet, it feels as far as long ago as, like, Tropic Thunder in the sense that, like, it's nothing compared to what it would be greeted with now,

where it would be shouted down before it even became a... Same thing with the... age gap between the actors which again was it was very much talking point at the time you referenced it like that Jennifer Lawrence was just too young for the part she just was um

uh and that was an issue then I think now I don't know if they would do it now I think that most people I mean to just sort of like crystal crystallize like what people's issues with the movies are first of all it's it's slightly ambiguous as to like

what Pat's meds like his, how much he's sticking to his medication. I noticed that on the rewatch too. So in the first half of the film, he's obviously not taking it. Militantly not doing it. And I think after the fight with his father, that turns physical where his mother gets knocked over,

I think the implication is that he starts taking his meds again. It's no longer an issue, so I assume that that's the case. Just show him taking it. And he makes reference to it at a later point in the film. I can't remember when when he's just like, I've been all my meds have been good or whatever. And by the way, the med scene with him, and Jennifer Lawrence underrated great scene.

But it's a complicated topic because like he says at one point, like people like me and Tiff and Danny have a sixth sense and like we see things other people can't see. I don't necessarily on its face of a problem with that statement but like and I think that it does a good job of also depicting the evident pain that people go through. But at the same time I think that there is like

this is also magic that I think people reject it. I think that what we're talking about, and maybe it's no longer a sustainable equation, but with Zach, what you were saying about the types of movies that David O. Russell wants to make, you need a certain type of fuel to power them. And in this case, what he's using as gasoline

is mental health and instability. Is that responsible? What is his responsibility? I'm not sure. I'm certainly not feel equipped to answer that question. What I appreciated about it in the second viewing is, well, there's two things. One, the way that Pat's parents treat him and are afraid of him and want so desperately to understand and fix him but don't have the tools or language felt very real to me and honest and genuine.

And I appreciated that there's a lot of time given to that in the beginning. The idea that he finds a way to get better, even if it's only temporary, it's a movie. It's a romantic fantasy. And why not? And Dana Russell has alluded to in a way that I don't know the details. I don't know if the details have ever been shared, but he said when he was, like, promoting this film there was a personal story to him in some way relating.

I think to his experience with his own son. And he even alluded to the fact that De Niro had had experiences with it, too. Which De Niro doesn't talk about anything, so I assume De Niro has never talked about this. But to your point, parents and kids, mental illness, seems like it was a very personal story for people who were involved in the film. And then while we're here, we should, like, talk at some point about David O. Russell's reputation. Yeah.

I was in my What's Age is the Worst, both his personal life and, like, the way that we view his particular professional tactics. Yeah. And, like, so professionally, he's, like, known as a yeller and someone who's not always in control of him. You know, I did a story with Christian Bale a couple years ago and talked to him about this, because the movie after this, American Hustle, Amy Adams famously said that David O'Russell basically made her cry on the set of that film. multiple times. Christian Bail had to stick up for her. And I asked him about that, and he was like, yeah,

that happened. Like, that's like on the record. And obviously, there's the recordings of him yelling on the set of, I believe, Huckabees. Clooney has told stories about the set of Three Kings. Yeah, they got in a fight. So,

you know, David, and David Russell, I think, hasn't, has made fewer and fewer movies as time has gone on. I think potentially related to some of this stuff. Yeah. But also to the mental illness conversation, does not be diagnosing him in any way, but the idea of someone who's angry and trying to figure out,

you can see why he wants to tell the story. And, you know, making a movie about what he wishes were the case, which is that despite everything, you could meet a soulmate, you could meet someone like-minded, you could fall in love, you could find an artistic regimen that could bring you out of the place you are.

Where it brings you, I don't know. But I do think it's kind of a facile way that people talk about movies and art now in general, which is the suggestion that they're playing with something as opposed to the people who made this movie, and particularly the guy who adapted this, made it for a reason. He had a story that he wanted to tell

that spoke to him and saw it through. And whether that jibes with people in the audience's personal experience with issues like this or medication or hospitalization, I don't know the extent of his responsibility to speak to that. We spent the first half of this podcast, like lauding the movie for its screwball qualities and it's almost like romantic fantasy aspects, the movie self-referentially

calls it self-romantic and does things in the film where it's like, to do it this way is a more romantic gesture. So I think that you have to give it some grace where it's like this isn't like, it's a very realistic film that isn't reality. But at the same time, you know,

I can understand why people would have some issues with it. That's not what age is the worst for me though. What age is the worst is hearing about Andy Reid challenging calls. Wow. And just like remember, remembering the end, the last couple years of the Andy Reid era. And also then what happened afterwards, which is we watch years of Donovan McNabb on third and eight throwing at five yards. Behind the line of scrimmage, yes.

And then he goes on to the chiefs and conducts the most electric offense since the greatest show on turf. It's painful. And everybody's just like, Andy Reid's just, it's all up here. It's in his head. It's like, that was not. I love Andy Reid, but that was not our experience with Andy. read. No, especially at the end. It was maddening. Yes. And then his last year was

2012, right? Like, this was his last year. That'll come up in a second. Okay, great. Yeah. Four and twelve, I believe, yeah. One more. Yeah. For that, I think our understanding of gambling as a society has evolved. When they, like, explain

a parley, it's like, John Ortiz is like, they explain it to me, sir! And they're like, a parley is. Is that what's age of the worst? Was it better when this was more of an End of the World? That aged really well to me because I still didn't understand

what a parlay was. Was there a better title for this movie? I don't really have one. I think this is a great title for a movie. I had Fly Eagles Fly, but I think that would have been... Dallas sucks? Yeah. Deshawn Jackson, Jersey?

That's right. I would have like that. Excelsior is right there, but I don't think. Yeah, but that's New York State. Yeah, that's right. We did learn that. Best quote, it's cheap, but I'm going to go with the only way

you can beat my crazy was by doing something crazy yourself. I love you. I knew at the minute I met you. I'm sorry. It took so long for me to catch up. I just got stuck. Way to go, Brad. That's okay, but Deshawn Jackson is the man. It's the best quote of the film. I'm going to, I'm not going to fight.

I'm not going to fight. When he's just, when Pat's trying not to fight in any fights. Something Philadelphia men tell themselves every morning. Yeah, right. But also, as again, as someone who is, you know, admittedly deeply unwell, but like needs sports in Philadelphia sports, As a connector in the world, like even at my lowest points, the idea that appreciating that Deshaun Jackson is the man can unite you with people, it may be unprofessional medical professionals, but like people from across all backgrounds, professions, spectrums, like, that's important to me.

Yeah. Okay. The Stephen A. Smith hottest take award. I have one. Okay. I kind of hate the garbage bag. Okay. I know it's an iconic part of this film

says a lot about the character that he's wearing a garbage bag the entire time but I feel like we as a city Philadelphia as a city did not need like one more addition to the like throwing you know snowballs and Santa Claus and batteries and all the like we just didn't need another thing

that people can reference where it's like you got the garbage bag on you're walking around Yeah. I just kind of hate it. Is it an effective weight loss tool, Craig? I, you know, I've never actually known, I mean, to me wearing a sweatsuit would make you sweat enough. I don't know if a garbage bag is really making a difference. I mean, I know it's a metaphor, but it's strange that he's just like, this is the key to weight loss.

I feel like Rocky should have had the garbage bag on. What about you? I could have gone a different way. You know, Andy Reid had just introduced the idea of pickle juice as a magical, like, energy restore, remember? So you could have just been swinging from a jar of Lassick. That would have been a good visual. I have one that I'm not proud of this. That's not, this isn't a place for being proud.

Okay. Yeah. Like the ringer broadly? No, Stephen A. Smith-Hitton of State Award is where, oh, I'm working for the wrong company. I don't love Jackie Weaver. Oh! I don't.

No, this is not, I don't mean any... You ruined it! I don't mean any disrespect to our Australian queen. I think she does a good job in the movie. I think she plays the scenes with the tenderness of like, I'm a little afraid of my son, but I love my son. It's very good. But my thing is, no one has ever been less from Philadelphia in history than Robert De Niro.

Uh-huh. I feel like maybe there was an opportunity to have someone offering a glass of water in the mom part. Like, just get Melissa Leo in there. It's just an extra level for me to have someone who's Australian doing an American accent. Like, no one in the movie is doing a Philadelphia accent, which is a problem. And I hope we're going to talk about that at some point. I feel like that was a missed opportunity. That's why you're here.

is to tell the truth about Jackie Weaver. I mean, I feel terrible. I'm punching down. I'm picking on the wrong person. She does a great job. Oscar nominated. There's nothing wrong with her performance. I would have gone a different way.

This is, uh, this is mine. And I think that you guys are... Silence from you guys. I agree. I honestly... Absolutely. Like you're worried about offending someone's silence.

I think she's good in the movie and it is still bad casting. Okay. Yeah, I like her in the film. I think you could also have the same conversation, this is probably even more sacrilegious, and I don't think I believe it, but I think you could have a conversation about the

De Niro performance in this movie. The Wisdom at the time was like, was Oscar nominated, this was his comeback. I think when you watch it now, I'm like, I really like him in this movie. He's doing a lot. I don't know why he got nominated for an Oscar. Well, I think because he was back. He was doing...

Right. He was at. He... O. Russell, David O'Russel unlocked something in him that brought him back from the comedies he was doing at that moment. And there are moments where you're still see that like when when like Pat first comes back and he's like what what's this yeah there's still analyzing this yeah yeah um my stephen a smith out his take is um randy's a real piece of shit and even if you had if you had won that parley a bit like there's no way he gets out of that alive like there's no world in which a guy who's hanging out at your house all the time wearing

Cowboys gear openly flirting with your wife then takes your livelihood Your nest egg, your whole plan, your dreams rooting against your son And doesn't catch like a beating if not a bullet After that Like I know everything is like

Oh you gotta pay your debts and everything And these guys are degenerates But it just I would be surprised Like most Eagles fans Don't like seeing guys walking around With like Washington commanders gear Much less like cowboys stuff.

Nobody wears Washington commanders' gear. And the idea that this guy would just be like basically boner from growing pains over at this guy's house but also owns the note on the house now is bullshit. He would have just gotten at least extra like kicked out of it. Yeah, like Shane Wiggum would have been like taking him aside and been like, you're not going to see you for a while. Yeah, exactly. So that I thought Randy being like his sort of thing.

The other thing that I had was there is a reading of this movie in which Tiff is the Joker. like in which she really, really manipulates a guy who is in a pretty tender spot. I don't even, I think that's like, that's text. Like, I think that's in there. Again, like, but he loves her for it. Yeah, but when she tells everyone that the only thing we can do here is lie to your mentally disturbed son

about his triggering, restraining order in place wife will be there. Yeah. Not great. I mean, the letter, same thing. I mean, yeah, absolutely. Is this the right moment? Can I just circle back? on this though, are you with me that like, this is deeply Philadelphia in its psyche, like

in the anguish? Exactly. But nobody sounds like they're from Philadelphia. Maybe we weren't ready as a culture to do that and talk about the Eagles? I think emotionally they act Philadelphian, but don't sound Philadelphia. Right. And I think I think Bradley Cooper without the accent does really good, like, white tea and the chain, like Philly guy work. Like he, like, the haircut is right. The facial expressions are right.

He is the only person in the cast who legitimately could have said overduce. He could have said it. He could have. I think it was calibrated. But I think honestly, like, we've gone through so many ups and downs with accents over the years. I'm kind of glad that they all just decided to just. And this is, like, maybe, like, we say this for, like, recasting or whatever. Yeah.

But I do. You don't want to see this movie without Jennifer Lawrence. But what if it was, like, a real Philly Queen in that role? Do you have one in mind? I don't know if cinema has really seen a true. Like Patty LaBelle? Ironically, Nikki, the wife... Is from Philadelphia.

Briya B, I think her name is. Is from Philly. Okay. They don't even let her talk. Yeah, she has like one line. She, like, whispers something. Speaking of casting, what ifs. This movie was originally pairing...

We're gonna pair of Vince Vaughn and Zoe Dashnell. I don't think that that would have worked. Although, it would have been an interesting Vince Vaughn. At various points, Mark Wahlberg was attached as Pat. That would have been interesting. but I don't know that I think Bradley Cooper brings something inimitable. Had Walberg done invincible yet at this point?

I don't see how you just, the logic alone. You can't be moved. Anne Hathaway was up for Tiff at a certain point and had to drop out. Other people who read for Tiff include Elizabeth Banks, Kirsten Dunst, Angelina Jolie. I don't know if I buy that. Blake Lively, Rune-Mara,

Rachel McAdams, Andrew Risebro, which is really interesting. And Olivia Wilde. And Emma Thompson was at various points talked about for Tiff. I don't know why. Let me just say, all of that's bullshit. All of that is awful.

That's what Bill always says for recasting what ifs, and it's just like, I'm just reading the internet. No, I'm not saying it's bullshit that, like, that never would have done it. I just mean, it's a sign of how precarious this movie was when you're just listing people who were being cast because they were the manic pixie dream girl of the moment. Right.

That's what that part could have or should have been. And one of the things you get with Lawrence, especially because she was relatively, like, unformed as an actor and young and unfixed in our minds, is that she's tough. and she kind of doesn't give a shit. And I was reading about how, like, she wanted to make it super goth.

But then there was pushback about whether she should be too goth. So we sort of, they split the difference. And she has gothic. She has, like, black nails and a cross and nothing else. Yeah. But all of those things, it immediately upends the balance of it, right? If it's cutesy, the movie's ruined.

It doesn't work. I think you can't do it without her. I think the, like, Vince Vaughn in that part, like, you, I don't think this movie would have been as good. But it probably would have, like, nominally worked. Yes. I wonder whether Vince Vaughn

would have also demanded that it could move to Chicago so he could be embarrassed for. I think it should have been Rob McElhenney. Right? Maybe Cat Dennings. Yeah.

Best That Guy award. I have Dash Myhock, the officer Kehoe. He's also the paratrooper or the paror rescue jumper in Fork Storm. He's your guy from Ray Donovan. Yeah.

Your show. He's always. I mean, Paul Herman. Yeah, Paul Herman is Randy. He's like Beansy. Yeah. He's the Pittsburgh Connect and good fellas.

The guy's like, I'll make you see helicopters and get in. Yeah, it was a pretty good one. Is John Ortiz too famous to be that guy? I think he is. Okay. I'm with you guys. Dionne Waiters Award. I have three nominees, Shea Wiggum, Chris Tucker, and Julia Stiles.

I love the Julia Stahl's performance. Julius. Julius is fucking awesome. It's legitimately funny. Yeah. When she's like hanging out the window and she's like, can you come in here, please? And she's so good. after I watched it this time when

at the dance competition and Jennifer Lawrence is like, you're fucking killing me. And she's just like relaxed. Truly evil. How much screen time does she have? Six minutes? She has she deeply understands her part. Two or three scenes, yeah. Sometimes you see people like they

was a day player, you show up. She understands everything about this movie, the DNA of this character and what her role is. I love it. Julia Stiles. Great sisters. The Young Waders Award. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubeneck Partridge overacting word. I have De Niro. This was pretty easy. for me, you're a loser that you ruined it? Yeah, I mean, it's hard to overact

in a David O. Russell movie. Yeah. Like, I kind of think he's, like, begging everyone to over it, you know? So, but yeah, probably that. You blew it. It's a tough one, too, though, because, like, one of the interesting things

about the movie that's relatively unexplored, or it's not unexplored, it's just not subtle, is that, like, I'm not going to be my dad, and my dad's the violent one. Yes. And my dad is the one who has undiagnosed mental illness or at least OCD. And for all the things De Niro brings to the movie,

I wouldn't say there's like a subtle arc of that, you know, in the background. Yeah. So I like everything that I just said as a part of the movie, but I agree that he's the only one that could be nominated in this category. Great detail when they say De Niro's on the exclusion list at the link. It's such a great, like, term of art. Which, by the way, we've learned recently is really easy to get around

because Chris and I talked about this on the watch. But, like, remember when the guy ran on the field during, during the baseball playoffs. And then immediately like went on podcast. It was like I lost two teeth. But the thing is, I was already banned. They were like your band, yeah, banned again. Stadium bands are like, okay, guys, nice gesture,

but how are we really in this? Oh, wait, by the way, I'm sorry. We forgot one major thing for what's age of the worst, which is the Philadelphia Phillies World Championship erasure of this movie? I have that. Okay. I have that coming up. Okay, sorry.

Yeah. All right. Recasting couch, we can, breeze through some of these. I had Amy Adams as Nikki. Just to have like the closer coming in off out of the bullpen. And maybe make it a little bit more who's he going to choose at the end if that mattered at all. But how do you be like, Amy's, listen, I've got a great part for you. You're going to be naked in the shower with a day player. There's going to be blood and screaming. It'll be cut up into really artful flashbacks.

And then I want you to sit and watch some bad dancing and whisper. Can you do that for me, Amy? I'm just saying this is the one that popped into my head. Okay. Half-ass internet research. Do you guys have any other recast-in-couches? Half-ass internet research, just a few things. According to Jackie Weaver, David O' Russell and she and De Niro

developed backstories for their characters and decided that Pat Sr. and Dolores still made love twice a week. So I thought that was cool. She also said, I got nothing. Jackie Weaver was also responsible for making sure that the dance scores aggregated out to five because initially

the third score was still too low and it would have been below five but they would have been reacting as if they won the bet and she fixed it so shout to Jackie Weber who holds the remotes during these voice weekly that's a good question

and then in the novel like I said the main character has somewhat more severe issues than has been in the institution different Eagles season too and it's a different Eagle season don't you think though that like as an actor I know you were referring to

you know which one? 2006 I believe that, like, Bradley Cooper gets to play a part where everyone who he sees is just like, you look great, you lost weight, you look so good. I feel like actors like that. I know. Again, there's a reason for that. Yeah.

David O. Russell. I think so. Yep. This is, this and the fighter, like, kind of like that, this is like he's. And the fighter, which is, I think, a really good movie is something that potentially another director could have made. Although it has, one of the things that shares this movie is, like, that true love place and detail

and like the way that the place is shaping the people and vice versa. Very, very similar in the two movies. But this is like a movie that only David O'Russell could have made and Silver Linings. And there's obviously Huckabee's is like that Amsterdam. It's like

that American Huzzle is like that. But this is, I think, the one where the energy is like wild enough. Because after this, I think he starts sort of dialing it back. Yeah. but also contained enough and in a basically a happy romantic story.

But he caught lightning. Like it also translated. Like people bought what he was selling in a way that just on the terms of the marketplace. I don't know if it happened that way again. Jennifer Lawrence certainly Apex Mountain. She does this wins an Oscar and is in Hunger Games in the same year. The only blemish on that is that House at the End of the Street is also released this year, which is a horror movie.

I think she had shot before. Bradley Cooper? I think this is a very interesting conversation. Because it's basically movie star Bradley Cooper who's in Silver Lines Playbook and American Sniper versus O'T Bradley Cooper. Yeah, like if you want to talk about Star is born.

I think would be the, for me, it would be the competition. This is like, I think he's a truly great actor and I think this is like about a good showcase of like why he's good and how he's good as you ever get. I think exactly that. feel like there's a there's a inflection point where for 10 years he's playing the part that everyone

else thinks he is and then he has an opportunity to show us everything that he is almost to a wildly vulnerable degree and from this point on he gets to call his own shots which has led to some great successes um but also leads to you know i i mean this without i don't mean this is a judgment but it leads to maestro which is what he wants to show us about his abilities i think that this is his apex mountain and i think that through stars born and maestro he has been efforting to build an addition onto Apex Mountain that he can still call his own. If that makes any sense. If anything about Apex Mountains makes any sense.

What about sports fandom in movies? Has it ever been done better? Even though I have some questions about the sports fandom, but has the depiction of the way a team can basically govern your emotional stability ever been done that? No, this is the best person. It's like this in fever pitch, right? That type of sports fandom, yes.

The only type I recognize. Yes, because I don't actually care about the sport. Anything else for Apex Mountain? No, I mean, director, actor, and actress. I think Upper Derby on film, you know, just broadly, like not always the most cinematic location. Picking Nits. Oh, here we go, yeah. Thank you. It takes until Tiff shows up at the house to do the juju monologue for anyone to acknowledge that the Phillies just want the World Series.

So this is, it's almost unforgivable. It almost would have been better to me if they hadn't said it at all. Because I know. I understand there are people who are Eagles first and everything else fifth. That makes sense to me. There are people who don't like baseball or whatever. And we are living proof of the Phillies won the World Series, and it didn't change how we felt about the Eagles season.

It's not like we were like, the Eagles get a gimmie. They can do whatever they want because we're just basking in this. But the civic experience of winning a championship, which had not happened in almost three decades, was enormous. That was a huge deal. And it dominated. I mean, even just the fact that there weren't

like little car flags and stuff in the background. Like, I understand why there weren't. It would have been a different story, different movie. But he chose the year. Yeah. I've relayed knit to pick. Okay. Yeah, go.

Pat doesn't watch the games. That's what, this is my thing. This is just, Pat is not actually a football fan. Like, I don't know how you grew up in that house in that city and be that guy and not watch the games. It drives me insane. Even before the dancing stuff. He's like, it's like on.

He's like standing like next to it. And he's like, he's not even looking at the TV screen. I like that. Well, yeah. You would. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Maybe you can explain the psychology to us. It's his dad's thing that he relates to, you know, the unpredictability of his father's love and attention and affection. There's violence in the house. He's right. He's, he's, his, his weak and his emotional well-being is governed by whatever the Eagles do. I think intellectually, that's true. And if you were going to ask, like, why is this constructed that way?

That would be the answer. It's insane. Pat would watch the game. Jake is talking about, like, we have to, like, challenge these guys at the line of scrimmage, throw bubble screens. Jake's got all 22 film. Yes. Pat's like, oh, yeah, Deshaun Jackson's the man. Like, he's kind of a casual.

I think that works for the movie. I don't, I don't, can I, can I add one other thing? Yes, we can. No, we can't. You know what else happened in the fall of 2008? The election of President Barack Hussein Obama happened? This is what we're going to be like a five-hour movie. It's not going to be like Adam Curtis's 2008. No, and I'm not saying which I would watch, especially if it was centered in run the Lannard Diner. I'm just saying it is an interesting bit of artistic elision to be like, this movie is so radically dialed into one thing that happened in the real world when it was in fact quite a moment. his fault. I think that could be true, though,

to a certain type of family's experience where they're just like, I'm paying attention to what happens in these equals games and the rest of his noise. That's true, but do you think they'd be so cavalier in today's electoral climate, Zach? Okay. What do you think the Solitano's feel about democracy? Okay. I have a pretty

dark nitpick. All right. Tiff's story about Tommy's demise. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad. Where he dies trying to help somebody fix a tire on 76. Coming back from the King of Mawrishamol, which is a 40-minute drive from approximately where Tiff lives. The other side of the city.

And he goes after dinner. So after dinner, he's like, I'm going to drive to the King of Prussia Mall 40 minutes away. I don't know what the deal was in 2008 with the retail landscape of that particular part of Philadelphia. I feel like Victoria Seeker was in more places. I think it was probably at the Springfield Mall. I think it was probably at the Granite Run Mall. I think that 40 minutes on 76 is like a heat check. and it's a very sad end

to this fictional cop's life but it was a weird thing that she... Do you think he was buying lingerie for someone else? Do you feel like there was more of the stories? She was going to Victoria's Secret to get something to start. I think she knew, I think she knew he was going even.

Do you think she blames the king of Prussia Mall? Like, who's the real villain of the movie? 76. So you're saying, are you criticizing the specifics of the MapQuest directions? I'm questioning whether or not a guy as savvy as him. him would be like, I'm going to drive 40 minutes

to go to this. Maybe he had something else to do up there. Maybe his parents lived there. Sure. And he was buying lingerie for his mother and for his wife. I don't know. Do you think that Dolores would be wearing a Kevin Cobb jersey? Yes. Okay. It's a good, there's a good Nomdi jersey in this movie. Yeah.

It's annoyingly hard to repair a broken glass window. He does that in five seconds. Yeah. No, that's actually, that's annoying. It's very hard to do. Yeah. And he's just like, he's just just wasted into place. Do you feel like there should have been more eagles mentioned, like by name other than to Sean Jackson? Like, you just said Kevin Cobb,

which I just said chill ran down my spine. There was kind of a quarterback controversy that year. There was. I feel like McNabb in general was a constant source of agita. I think this just speaks to Pat's, like, familiarity with skill position players, but like a lack of interest in the trenches.

Do you think, well, the opposite of Howie Rosemary. Yeah. Do you think... Well, this is still Joe Banner, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Howie was like the VP of something or other. Yeah. Tom Heckert, Joe Banner.

And they give the racist fan at the game, the Westbrook jersey. That's right. That's really weird. Yeah, it's weird. It's unfair. Maybe that guy was a Philonova guy. Free Bryant, Westport. Do you think that John Ortiz is always so happy to see Pat, which is one of my low-key favorite things about the movie?

But it is weird. Do you feel like? Like, he's very, very happy. But it's because he's dying inside. And is having a breakdown about his marriage and his professional career. And then this is a guy who's A, his friend, and B makes him feel a little bit better. That's true.

Low-key, his excitement over the jersey, he was like, you look fantastic. I wish I was wearing that. I love that. Sequel, prequel, any other picking nets? I think that's it. Sequel, Prequel, Prestige TV, All Blackcasts, or Untouchable. It's Untouchable. I guess you could do a Pat Senior and Dolores getting together.

like early, what would that be? Oh, prequel? I thought you meant getting together twice a week. Now, I guess it would probably be in the 70s, right? Yeah, I don't want a sequel, because I don't think the Solitano family could have survived the Chip Kelly era. Like, I just think that would have just... I mean, what about this? We could be living the sequel right now. I know, this is the sequel.

The Greenwald family is not going to make it through this current era. Three men with a group chat melting down. Better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Bishemi, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, or Philip Baker Hall. I do think Philor Baker Hall would be an interesting Pat Sr. Or a Randy. Yeah.

But if Wayne Jenkins did play Randy. God damn, Pat. I didn't know your dad was Jimmy the Greek. He's giving me 10 points and a motherfucking parlay with your aggregate dance score. You better turn it to Mikhail Beresnikov real soon. Pat Sr. is going away a long fucking time. Big Boy. Wayne would fit into this movie.

Yeah. Just fine. I mean, from Baltimore, he could have been like the guy coming up to get, to get Danny. Bernthal?

Yeah. Belongs in this movie. I know. We need that energy. You know what the spirit. You could be John Ortiz. The spiritual, like,

kind of successor of this film is the bear. Yeah. In a lot of ways. Family energy. Yeah. Unloved Second City. Loser energy

in a second city. Yeah. Really banking it all on sandwiches. Yeah. It's all there. So probably unanswerable questions. I think we hit a lot of these. Does Pat care about the birds?

Enough. What is the duct tape on Pat's shoes for? Well, that also leads me to, did Pat Solitano Jr. invent contemporary men's there. If so his shoelaces, don't get into it. Pat Solitonato Jr.

wearing sweatsuits, Carhart, and chunky new balance. No, it's... Essentially what most men in Silver Lake are. Literally, yes. It's like, the funny,

the movie does not like date it in our respect at all. Yes. Wait, so it's for your shoelaces? Yeah. Okay. For dancing or for... I thought he ran so much he was wearing his shoes out

but didn't want to buy new ones. No, I'm pretty sure it's just like a makeshifelcro situation. What did Pat whisper to Nicky? Oh, isn't it like Lost in Translation? I think it's...

Asante Samuel made the program. Yes. We talked about whether Pat is consistently taking his beds. Can this movie happen after the 2018 Super Bowl? Speaking from my heart, yes.

Yeah. It seems like it. I think it's... Both of you are. I'm... Yeah, it's Evergreen. Yeah. So it doesn't matter that they beat the Patriots in a...

Not remotely. You could do like Doug's last year. You could do like what's happening right now and it would be absolutely resonant to... Well, Zach, thank you for setting me up here because that leads me to the Andy and Red Z-Want-N-A award. Do Tiff and Pat make it past the dream team in 2012? If they make it through the dream team, do they make it to Andy Reid's last season? Do they make it pass the NFC championship game

against the Cardinals? So you don't think that they have long... I'm just saying... I don't know if they have much of a future. I wanted to be otherwise, but I feel like they're too volatile. What does Tiff do? What's her...

She dances? She lost her job. But they neither of them have income at the moment. We haven't discussed not just why she lost her job, but the scene where she talks about it. That's Bradley Cooper's Apex Mountain. At the Lennertinertinert.

He's just like, He's so hot. He's like, where any of them women? He's like literally eating his own cheap. He's a teacher. That's a great scene. That's really good.

What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? The handkerchief. I want the copy of a farewell to arms or whatever that he chucks out the window. I would like, I think I would go for the Deshawn Jackson jersey,

which is pretty, it's immaculate. Pretty easy pick. but I like some of the literature is great. I love Jennifer Lawrence as Tiff to just synopsize great novels for me. Yeah, when she does

low of the size is sick. Exactly. Do you feel like if your son at any point in his life woke you up at 4 in the morning but only to talk about Hemingway? Like, what's your, like, are you like, this is bad in some ways

but like good in others? I think about it. Like Pat senior later is like, he's like, dad, I'm doing better. I'm like reading books. He's like, do us a favor. I'm reading. I'd be like, do me a favor.

It is funny, though. I do wonder, like, if your son woke you up at 3 in the morning, but was like, why are we running more slants for AJ Brown? Do you think that you would just be like, yes? I would be like, yes. If he was like, there were dance scenes in the book, which were boring, but I liked it. I would be like, well, this is kind of funny.

Zach sleeps with a pencil over his ear like Matt Patricia. That's right. Coach Finstock Award for the Best Life Lesson. you can play Rod the Lightning for a baby. Is that one? I don't know. I don't know about that one. Did you guys have one from the movie?

I mean, I think the, you know, if you drink a lot and get in a fight, you could really bond with a lot of people. Yeah. I feel like I learned that. That's right. Always stick up for your brother. Yeah. Who won the movie?

Do you think we would do that for each other at a tailgate? Yeah, definitely. I know he would. I know Zach would. Jack would. I wonder how you know that. I've been on public golf courses with Zach. Who won the movie?

This is a complicated one. I think it's Lawrence. I think it's Jennifer Lawrence on this most recent go-around. But Bradley Cooper is the soul of the movie. I also think it does the most for Bradley. Yes. I think that I think you're watching his life change in this moment. In real time.

So in terms of like the implications, like it had the biggest effect for him. Do I think that she's the best thing in it? Yeah, I do. I also think his journey since this is like being shot out of a canon. It is not abated. He's been on a consistent journey since the success of this movie

and what it afforded him, whereas she had a more dramatic and immediate success in the six months to two years after, but then had some stumbles before regrouping. She should have voiced a raccoon. That's the lesson. That's a great raccoon.

Producer Craig, what do you think? You know, I had never seen this. This is a real blind spot. No way. Yeah. I don't know why. It's always been on my list, but I missed it.

That's strange. It seems like it would be right up your alley. I know. I don't know what it was. I also think there's something, too, like, I'm from the Bay Area. And I just think West Coast in general, like, I love stuff like this because the, like, East Coast, like, sports insanity, like, insular family, that stuff is just not. Like, my dad was a huge diner fan, but it was not, it was not like this movie. Yeah.

And I just think, like, I don't have any friends who, like, live and die football or any sports. team quite like the Polatano family. Is it Politano? How do you say it? Solitano. Solitano. So like that stuff is always very interesting to me because it still has it crossed over to the West Coast. Like I don't know if it ever will. Yeah. No, that's because you got Kyle just drawn up these beautiful motions.

Everything's easy. Yeah, but in general, the funny thing about this movie is I'm so glad it was made in 2012 just because it would definitely be a TV show today. Yeah. And everything would be like stretched out and darker. I think the one good thing about movie is that if you actually like sat down and really dug into each character, kind of dark. Very.

But you're moving so quick, you don't really think about it. And they actually just kind of use the darkness almost for humor. It's a very funny movie. In some ways, like we didn't talk about enough. How funny it is a well-paced, delightful, funny, romantic movie. Yeah, even the, I mean, the ending is like very satisfying, like, sweet rom-comy ending. So the ending was this time around when I, when I watched it for this, and they get to the, to the, she opens up the letter and it's like, Dear Tiffany, I was,

like, holy shit, it's getting fucking humid in here right now. It's like when Harry met Sally at the end, like a little bit. Also, the De Niro thing where he's just like, he gives them, I mean, everything gets fixed. It's a magical fantasy.

What does he say? Don't fuck this up? Yeah, he's like, go follow that, go follow that girl. Even the plot of the movie is like a little bit like just like a dark adult Disney Channel original movie. It's like the big dance competition

at the end happens on the same day of the big game. It's a complete storybook fantasy. Yeah. So you liked it. I did, yeah. All right. But isn't the real lesson

is it worth saying? Like, they got together, everything's beautiful, and then they lost the championship game. This is the most Philadelphia thing about it. Like, when you start... Pat Gene doesn't care. Do you think they should have added that? Like, would that have been a funny end scene

if they lose in the championship game? Oh, what if this movie had the, like, the biopic thing where over the critics were, like, said, would like... Josh Jackson would be run out of town. It shows him in a Redskins jersey or whatever. Yeah, that would have been pretty good. Devastating.

Andy, Zach, thank you so much. Go birds. Go birds. What about an eagle? Did you need a cameo from a cameo from a... eagle. This is crying out for Jason Kelsey. This is like...

Oh, I think he meant like an animal. Like a bird, like a bald eagle. This would have been like, if they made this about today, it would have just been Jason Kelsey's in like a third of... No, he would have walked through the hotel and been like, go after her, bro. Yeah, right. I appreciate... They don't show a game in this. You kind of see like a little bit of that Dallas scene on TV. Is that a right issue though they couldn't probably...

Yeah, I'm sure it's... But it works. And I feel like that is the relationship that most people have. It's not like an eagle's walking through that door. so I appreciate it. They don't even make it into the stadium. I mean, I think I don't know this. Also very true for most people. Research about this that like,

I don't know if David O. Russell is a football fan. Like, I don't think he is. I love, I think one of the things that makes the movie great is that it is telling an emotional and psychological story and it's not getting lost in the details. It's kind of like Taylor Sheridan doesn't really like cowboys. You just, you know, it's more about. Just owns a lot of horses.

He loves special ops, though. I still think the football dialogue's not quite there. I know. It's still, it's just, it doesn't actually depict but like a true football fan. The closest football fan. The closest football fan. the real football fan is Jake, I think. Yeah.

And then even he, it seems like he's reading like a kind of cue card about a football. I think it's Jennifer Lawrence. Like when she's like reading the scores and stuff and she knows like where they're playing and all that. This is how we all talked about football until like six years ago. Everybody's nuts.

Yeah. Maybe you're right. Nobody said bubble screen. Nobody said quarters. And then Barnwell started being like EPA. Do you know what defense was? Defense was did Brian Dawkins kill someone? Yeah.

Did he behead someone with his body? Good defense. Did the other team score? Bad defense. That was it. That was it. It's a simpler, more pure time. Maybe that's right.

All right, guys, thank you. Andy, Zach, producer Craig. We'll be back next week to do you. We'll be back next week to do we watch us.