The Rewatchables - ‘Single White Female’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Mallory Rubin

Episode Date: June 8, 2026

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Mallory Rubin bunk up in a classy New York City apartment to revisit the 1992 thriller ‘Single White Female’ starring Bridget Fonda and Jennifer Jason Leigh. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduard Ocampo, and Matt Pevic The Ringer is committed to responsible trading. Please visit https://fanduel.com/predicts to learn more about the resources and helpline. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Offered by Fandole prediction markets LLC, a registered futures commission merchant, 18 plus, restrictions apply. See terms at fendil.com slash predicts slash bonus dash offer dash terms. All right. It is the official start of From Hell Month. We we kind of test drove it last week. Squeezed our guy Steven Spielberg in 2001, a space odyssey. Technically in the parameters of From Hell Month, computer from Hell. Absolutely. Not really considered. Now we're in the sweet spot of from hell. Yeah. This is it. Starting with single wave female. I'm just going to read through some of the from hells,

and then we can talk about it. Fantastic. All right, so what's from hell? We've already done a few. Mallory was on a couple of them. The affair from hell, fatal attraction. Yeah. The fan from hell, misery,

all of our worst nightmares for a podcasting fan, just losing their minds. Yeah. Husband from hell, sleeping with the enemy. Me and Van did that one. Laura! Great one. Great one.

I was on disclosure. Here's ones we haven't done. The little kid from hell, the good son. The tenant from hell, Pacific Heights, amazing movie. Nanny from hell. Hey, and that rocks the cradle. Movie Craig Worldbeck has not seen. You're in for a treat, Craig, because it's coming this month.

Second husband from hell, domestic disturbance. One of the funniest movies of the 2000s. Teenager from hell, the crush, Alicia Soberstein. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Boyfriend from hell. Fear, Mark Wahlberg. Yep. Dog from hell, Coojo.

I was about to say pet from hell. Yeah. Cop from hell? Cop from hell is leave you tears? No, that's neighbor from hell. Neighbor from hell with Sam Jackson. Okay. Cop from hell is unlawful entry with Ray Leota.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tempt from hell, Lara Flynn Boyle. Mm-hmm. X from hell, the ex. Nobody's seen it. Yancey Butler, her one great moment. Okay. Ex-husband from hell.

What's that one? I just have a blank slate next to that one. I don't even know. Trucker from Hell, duel and breakdown. And then today, the roommate from hell. Yeah.

Single-wave female. A movie that provokes visceral reactions from female watchers, including my daughter last week. Oh, first viewing. Who didn't know anything that was happening. And the haircut scene happens, and my daughter was like,

what the fuck? It's an Alzheimer. Just absolutely furious. Yeah. What is it about this movie, Mel? Oh, my goodness. What isn't it about the movie?

It has everything. It has sex and intrigue and terror. It has psychosis and deep-rooted fear. It has distressingly violence against animals, which is going to be painful to talk about today. I have a whole section carved out for that. You did tell us that you might have a golden retriever puppy here with you today. I was going to stroke it like heady. Wow.

I'm glad you don't. I think that would have been two. I was just going to stroke it. But the haircut is kind of the answer. It's that the movie is all in. It does the fullest and most obvious, but in the right and great way, version of the thing. There's nothing subtle about the movie at all, and that is kind of necessary for what it's trying to do. When you say the thing, are you saying the thing?

Are you saying the actual sci-fire Kurt Russell movie 1988 to the thing? Because you could have said either. Either, I guess. Yeah, the thing, like the idea of do I want to fuck you or kill you or be you, let me give you a little bit of all of it before we make our final decision at the end. then this is really I think everything you've ever looked for in a movie Yeah it's tough

It's tough to find a movie that was more in my willhouse now or then Right? Because I have no I went back and did research I have no recollection of this movie Like actually in theaters This was a home theater cable

Juggernaut in the theater embarrassing me I bet you did Yeah But it was a big hit Not a lot going on in August 1992 Incredible But when you watch the movie

The movie's not playing with you No. This movie takes itself seriously, which is the difference between movies like that then and now. Now they got to kind of give you a wink and a nod, like, look how crazy it is. But this is like a drama with a lot of real world stakes and actually kind of justifies itself throughout the run of the movie.

And then that's why by the time you get to the end of it, you're like, yo, how the fuck did we get here? And that makes it even more awesome. Well, and you also have Bridget Fonda just in various stages of dress for two hours. A lot of nudity in this movie. Jennifer Jason Lee is just like, I just hopped out of the shower. I'm completely naked.

Naked. Can you hand me a towel over there? Yeah. She's naked, the whole movie. Yep. And there's a weird backstory with them where Jennifer Jason, I remember this when this happened. Jennifer Jason Lee dated Eric Stoltz, who broke up with her and then started dating Bridge of Fonda, who he dated for eight years. Oh, my.

And then they made the movie together. And I was like, I didn't have the premiere magazine. for this one, but it was part of the research. Like, yeah, it was a little awkward, but we made it work. So there's a tension with them that you can really feel that's part of the movie but also, I don't know.

Should have renamed Sam Eric. Maybe if it hadn't been based off a book. Or just had Eric Stoll's play Sam. Yeah. Could have done that as well. That takes it to the next fucking level. Bridget Fonda. She Hallfamer for you, Van? Yeah, way up there. About a way... First ballot, way girl, Hall of Fame?

Yeah. Like, you know. Had to wait a way to At least in the 90s, let me compare it to a player. It's kind of like a Clyde Drexler. Oh, yeah. I put it in a Clyde Drexler territory. Dream Teamer. Dream Teamer. All the tools.

Has every single accolade, but still not talked about as much. Because kind of just like, you don't see Glide around. You don't see Glide hanging out, whatever. And the same thing kind of happened to Bridget Fonda. During that time, it was such a hotly contested race for who was going to be the face. What a class of actresses. With Julia. Julia.

Meg Ryan. Sandra Bullock's coming up. And Reese Wetherspun's lurking in the distance, waiting for the mid-90s room. Yeah. The back half in the 90s after Clueless. Gina Davis is holding on. Gina Davis is holding on.

Liv Tyler is storming the castle. All of this stuff is happening at the same time. Bridget Fonda was as well positioned as any of those actresses between singles, between what was the La Fonica. I have it. Peter Fonda's daughter, first of all. Hollywood royalty. Aunt Jane.

Yeah. Grandfather, Henry Fonda. That's right. You went on Golden Pond person? Yeah. Yes. My wife loves that movie. Yeah.

Well, of course. Woman of taste and character. Showed up scandal 1988 with Val Kilmer's wife. Mm-hmm. Yes. 1990, Godfather, Three. That's right. Apparently cut out of a lot, like film war stuff, cut out, but had a little affair with Andy Garcia.

But then single-wife female 92 and singles 92. Right. It's easily. We're into the spoiler. That's Apex Mal. She felt like the it thing. Yeah. Both of those movies, singles actually didn't do as well as this movie,

but had like a distinct look too. And it just kept going. Never really happened for the way that I think we all thought. And the big one later was Jackie Brown in 97, which is great in. Yeah. And then has this great fork in the road now. Yeah. Turns down Ali McBeal.

Well, and then only acted for a few more years after Jackie Brown, right, stops acting in the early 2000s. That's it. They're Placid, 1999, Simple Plan 98. Her last IMDB's in O2 and had a serious car accident in Malbo in 03. Yeah.

And fractured a vertebra and then just stopped acting. Her IMDB just ends. That's it. Like she died, but she didn't die. She's still around. She married Danny Elfman. The Allie McBeal nugget is fascinating because now, of course, I'm forced to think,

what would that have meant for Callista Flockhart? And thus, Harrison Ford. And thus. Maybe you. Yeah, maybe you're missing. This is Harrison Ford right now. You know, we met recently at a whiskey event. I heard.

I saw, I studied the pictures. Magical. Does Harrison have the earring? He was wearing a kilt. Does he have the earring now? No, I don't think he's currently wearing the earring. Okay, so the earrings's gone. But that was, of course, a big part of the...

First of allie McBeal was a phenomenon. Of course. It was, like, legitimately, like, one of the most talked-about shows of the late 90s. And I think if Bridget Fonda's in there, it still is. There was a little bit of a discovery with Clista Flockhart, because nobody knew she was. But I think Bridget Fonda would have been huge. And that probably would have carried her for another six, seven years in the spotlight.

I thought I had as a hot take I'll just do now. I think Sandra Bullock might have market corrected her. Oh, interesting. It's because you look at the movies Sandra Bullock makes in, they're basically, they're born in the same year in 1964. Sandra Bullock's in the vanishing demolition man speed the net while you were sleeping and a time to kill. I feel like Bridget Fonda could have been in all of those.

They're just like better, bigger movies than everything to happen to Bridget Fonda. This is your best taking a while and I'll tell you why. Thank you. Yeah, you got it. So because even in 92, you see what Bridget Fonda is capable of because in this movie,

she plays the socialite about town, a completely independent, achieving, beautiful lady. But a little weak. A little weak. But then in singles, she's actually not that. In singles, She is the sort of a little bit more every girl type that's actually...

It's a Sandra Bullock role. It's a Sandra Bullock role. And that actually became Sandra Bullock's thing. Is that Sandra Bullock could play every woman. But then when Sandra Bullock, when you have to go, wow, look how gorgeous, she could also do that, which was kind of Bridget Fonda's thing. The one that missed with her that I think was a good fork in the road. She's in that movie with Nick Cage. They changed the title.

It's called It Could Happen to You. Originally it was called something like... Oh, Cop wins a million. or something like that? Cop leaves a million dollar tip or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a real-life story about a lottery ticket and the cop leaving it,

part of it for the waitress, and then they fall in love. And it was a good idea for a movie, and it just didn't make it. And it's weird because Nick Cage's career takes off right after. But it was, that was another one that was the Sandra Bullock role.

So I don't know. Nick Cage Renaissance, Spider-N-Ware. Oh, huge. Great stuff. This is interesting because I wouldn't, you're compelling me, both of you were compelling me, you with the take,

you with the defense of the take. I was prepared to say, the first thing that pops into my mind with Sandra Bullock is like the sweetness. Huh. And I think that at least when we're thinking about this movie and Bridget Fonda right now, there's something, I mean, that's like, you know, the kids say bracket, complimentary, like alien about her, right? Completely inaccessible. That's why she's perfect for this role.

It's interesting to know that she was presented with the opportunity to play either Allie or Hedy and chose Allie because that makes sense to me as I think the choice and feels right. it's like kind of a weird alternate history to consider her in the other role. But the idea that she would be the person, someone else needed to be near, needed to be with, needed to be calm. You need to be coveted. Tracks completely. Now, I think Sandra Bullitt could do that. But that feels like the Bridget Fonda kind of like essence to me because this is such

an iconic role in the Apex Mountain. Singles, she plays more of what you're talking about. She plays. She's just so fucking cool. I was so in love with her in singles. She was. Elite. And, like, in singles, you're watching her and you're going,

Jesus, when is somebody going to see the value in that way? She's right here. She's the one. And then he sneezes at the end and they fall in love. Great. Would Cameron be on his shit? Like, what a great character. But I feel like if Sandra Bullock is in this movie that she's heavy.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's probably the Sandra Bullock role I would have wanted. That would be great. She never played it. Would have been great. So if Bridget Fonda's, because it's a great what-if with this movie that I never know about. Bridget Fonda is actually Hedy in this movie.

What do you think about that? I don't think it works. It's difficult for me. She's a very talented performer. I think she's fantastic in this movie. And I think rightly most of the conversation is around Jennifer Jason Leah's Hetty because that performance is like debauched in the best possible way. But Bridget Fonda as Allie, as the person who you look at and you're just like,

I need to try to inhabit that space. you know, when Sam says to her in the early sequence and they're in bed, he's like, well, you know, she's like, I know Graham. I'll invite Graham to the wedding. He's like, everyone in New York is going to love you as soon as they get to meet you because everybody loves you. You know, when Allie and Hetty are walking down the street and they're talking about the fashion, there are some performers, some aspects of the plot where they would have to like work harder to convince us that this person could be this effortlessly stuff, like fashionable, right? She's not from New York. She moved here and she just dresses like a,

a supermodel. She dresses like a superstar. And you believe that fully. So this casting and that choice for her to be Allie feels right. I have a harder time imagining her. I agree with that. You're also in the Carolyn Bissette era. She's got that kind of same fashionista. Kind of feels very early 90s to me. But more importantly, Jennifer and Jason Lee's incredible. Just going crazy. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I actually like this movie kind of ruined her for me. Oh. She's so creepy and weird and gross That's her thing though I know but this one I couldn't come back from where I'm like

I think you're just like this I don't think you're acting I really thought this is you You're revealing because that's how That's how convincing she was is Hetty This is beyond acting Like when Hetty starts like really sizzling I mean when the anger gets there It's like scary

It's terrifying It's scary and it's focused and it's intense And I think that's the thing that I probably would have had trouble with Bridget Fonda. Yeah, I would have felt like she was acting it. Right. Like when she's tied up in the end with the thing on her mouth and Heddy's getting mad

and all of a sudden you hear stuff breaking in the background and it cut Bridget Fonda's like looking around and then Hedy just comes back in with the knife. By that point. Jesus Christ! I love this fucking movie. By that point. Serrated knife. Fully in Crazy land. Oh yeah.

Like we are fully there. You know in Lusel. We weren't fully there when she blew Blue Ali's boyfriend That is the thing about the movie We really are always in Crazy Lane Yes In the movie

We're all we're already there We're in Crazy Land when she is erasing messages We're in Crazy Land when she's hiding letters Right and that's right away Deeply deeply crazy We're never not there The puppy murder The puppy murder which I'm not quite sure

If she actually Come on I'm gonna make a defensive heady later Absolutely not Yeah she's it I'm gonna make a defense of Hedy later. But by the time we get to super crazy land is tied up knife, screaming in the background, and you were just laughing and having a great fucking time with the movie, man.

I think there's a case that the scarier aspects of the performance are actually the early like subtle indicators that something is lurking beneath the surface really early. You mentioned like the letter, you know, we learned that's in like the first couple weeks of them living together that that stuff is happening. But, you know, something like even just the quiet menace of like the looming harbinger of the way she says, well, this is like their first conversation. She learns about Sam, the photo. You're not going to like get back together. I don't want to catch you on the rebound.

There's a threat in the first conversation when Ali doesn't call. She spends the night out after re-keling with Sam. She's lying in the bed of the puppy. How dare, like it's New York. Things happen. Where the hell have you been? That's so hilarious to me. Terrify.

Buddy was really upset. Yeah. Poor buddy. You're going to get me started early. I just want to say something real quick. Hetty asked her. She did. She asked.

She goes, hey. This connects to one of my out of states. You're not just going to leave me. Yeah. Right? And go back to him. She asked. Yeah.

And what's her name? Fucking lie. She deep down knew it was a chance. I'm with you. I'm not going to get into it now. I'm to do this later. But Hetty, she was looking out for it. She was trying to protect herself.

And Ali wouldn't let her. I'm with you. Bridge of Fonda. If she flips rolls, is this a different movie for you? You don't know anything about this movie. No, other than knowing the phrase single white female. Yeah.

Not a whole lot. No, Fonda can't be. Fonda has like this old school Hollywood look to her. She's like so clean and refined. Jennifer Jason Lee, the whole movie's in like giant t-shirts. She's always like contorting her body. She's always on the ground.

She's like a little spider. Yeah, they do a good job of filming it too, where it's always looking up at Bridge of Fonda and it's always looking down. Yeah. Um, she's daughter Vic Morrow. Fast Times in 82. And then it has a really nice run.

Flesh and Blood, Hitcher, last exit to Brooklyn. Miami Blues is a really good album movie. Love. She's in Backtrap. She's in Rush with Jason Patrick. Yeah. Um, that one I don't love.

You don't love Rush. I have never been able to quite connect with the movie. I never loved it either. Yeah. Everybody always thought about it. It was like very well reviewed. Yeah. She's very respected actress.

Oh, yeah. Um, and then ends up with this one. And, uh, I don't know. She's had a good run. I mean, she got nominated for an Oscar for Hateful Eight. She was incredible in Fargo just a few years ago. Yeah. She's never bad.

It's really a question of whether the role is so perfect for her that she can be iconic in it. And she's done that multiple times. I've never recovered from her from this movie. Every time I see her in a movie, I'm always like, watch out for her. Watch out. Don't give her your keys. Yeah. I'm trying to think of other roles like that where I can never quite get over the role

that the person played. Usually it's like supporting characters. It's weird when it's like a star. My mom never trusted Danny Glover again after Color Purple. Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. Danny is somewhere right now

getting his ass whoop psychically by my mom. We would watch, we would watch, like, lethal weapon, and my mother would be like, I wonder if he beats his wife. And we'd be like, come on, man. Come on. That's color purple.

Come on, man, that's fucking murder. There are some people, like, it's just like Michael Shannon. Every time I see Michael, Shannon in something, I'm like, I'm not trusting this thing. We talked about this was sleeping with the enemy. Oh, that one of that fucking guy's career.

That guy can never work again after it. You just saw him. You're like, Lord! He tried to come out right after that and go do Robin Hood. There's no way. No, fucking way. I'm not watching you do this to me, Mary.

It's the best of abuser. Yeah, what the person's playing apart. Single-wife female taps into a few things, including real-life things that work for really everybody watches it, no matter what age you are, even for my daughter last week. You never really know with your roommate.

You never know with anyone, man. Never really know. Yeah, it's tough. Female friend A, kind of getting on the corner of female friend B a little bit. Like, yo, you, do you borrow my stuff? Yeah. Sure.

Oh, yeah. Oh, you, wait, you wore my jacket? Right. Are you wearing my perfume? Oh. Yeah. Did you fuck my boyfriend? Yeah.

Yeah. You blew my boyfriend and killed him with high heel? Did you suck his dick? Did he come in 25 seconds? Did he know? I got a lot of notes for Sam on that one. Did he, wait, hold it, hold it. Save it.

Okay, okay. Well, I'm telling you, there's a lot of heavy shit. That's the money shot of this podcast, literally. There's a lot of heavy shit in here. Okay, cool. We're in deep dive it. Okay. Can't wait.

Oh, my God. And then ripping off the hairdo, which was the iconic moment of this movie. Yeah. I don't remember seeing this in the theater, but I would imagine if it was a crowded theater, a gasp. No question. Would have been in the audience for that. No question. It's like, oh my God.

What are you doing? It's crazy. And Bridget Fonda's face is great. And then when you get like two, something happens with a roommate, you get too close. And there's kind of no way out because you have a lease. Right. Where it's like, oh, this might not be working out. And that's it.

You're stuck together. It's like a contract. It's like the Lamar Jackson Ravens contract. Sorry, Mel. Rude. Not in this case. Direct shot. Part of the plot is you can't be on the lease.

You can't be on the lease. and no one can know you live here. And so there's a built-in opportunity at any point for Allie to say, you're freaking me out. I just need you to leave. That'll be a through line of my commentary during this podcast. Which I went and looked. But she's a weak person.

Yeah. As has been established. It's, you're familiar with the term idiot plot. Yeah. Right? There's a little bit of an idiot plot thing going on here with Allie in particular where it is just the list of things that Hetty has done grows so long and so severe. so quickly that it defies belief.

Yeah, but this is a staple of the From Hell movie. For sure. You need the character who's just overlooking all the signs of like, man, since Vance showed up, weird shit's been happening. Yes. It can't be Vance's fault, right? Right. In the book, this rent-controlled New York situation is a much, much bigger deal.

I went to look at that a little bit because it's actually sand. You read the SWF book? Or read the book? A description of the book? It's actually Sam, who she's actually hiding, who they're on the lease with, which makes it necessary that all of this stuff kind of gets kept on the hush, hush, low. They kind of halfway do that in the movie a little bit, but to Mow's point, she's actually more empowered to say, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Because nobody, she's not supposed to be living there because it's control in this great building.

It's effective because it creates this, like, it enhances the idea that she's a specter, right? That, like, the person, the woman who's getting on the elevator could see her and be like, who are you as she's looking, you know, in the lobby window across to watch Sam and Allie, or the idea that Graham could say, I, like, was chasing after you and I thought it was you because it was your bag and your jacket. And then it wasn't you, but I've never met Hetty. And Ali's like, well, is she shy and also I'm hiding here. Most of all, of course, it sets up.

You mean trusty gay friend Graham? Yeah. I have some notes coming for Graham as well. Right. You know something else about the Allie character, though, is that the Allie character throughout the entire movie is always portrayed as a character that's not. not quite confident about anything. Yeah, she's afraid.

And that says something with the fake, the forged suicide note, like, I was never this afraid. No one will believe I was this afraid. I was like, weren't you always this afraid or afraid in a different way? The setup for the idea, though, that Hedy could say at the end, they're going to, I'm going to be able to pin this on you because I was never here. That's very effective and very compelling. That's good. But, I mean, people, she was there for a while at that point. There's only thing I understand about that.

She actually looks at her. By that point, Allie. is convinced that Ali's go, she goes, people know that you were here. You fucking nuts. Like the fuck is wrong with you, right?

Yeah, we had ice cream cones together. Yeah, we were like hanging out taking pictures. This pictures of me, you and the fucking dog. What are you talking about? Like, people are going to know that you were here.

You threw a dog off the balcony. Yeah. Everybody saw it. But so like, Ali, she's a little bit, she's the power play between her and the boss character, which is one of my favorite characters

in his entire, but that's just the early 90s personified. Unbelievable. Right. Over the top, sexual harasser. But all of these early 90s movies are trying to tell you that that's wrong because that's like the first time that society has contended with the fact that maybe it's wrong.

It's for real. This was like 92, 93 range. People didn't even know whether or not to say harassment or harassment. It was sick. I remember. So there's a character like that that shows up in all of these movies because they're trying to make this guy the new high school jerk of the 90s because they're trying to make this a larger conversation.

What about when he's in the office? and there's somebody else who's on a chair and he's just like leaning over and rocking the chair. It's like, maybe you could have scaled back this guy like 10%. He's going for it. He's a scumbag. This movie was directed by Barbay, Schroeder. Barbet.

Barbette? Barbette. I thought it was Barbette. Barbet? Yeah. Directed by Barbette Schroeder. From a screenplay by Don Roos. Mm-hmm.

Based on the 1990 novel, SWF Seeks Same by John Lutz. I do not have that one on my first edition movie Coral election.

So he made Reversal of Fortune single-wife female and then the movie that we've been dying to do and rewatchables forever, Kiss of Death

with Carouson Cage that is not streaming and basically doesn't exist. 16 million dollar budget made $84 million. Yeah. Legitimate hit. Impressive.

Legit hit. Roger Ebert. Do you know the answer to this, Craig? Oh, man. I do. I read Wikipedia. Three stars.

Pretty good. No genre is beyond redemption or beneath contempt. And here, the slasher genre is given its due with strong performances and direction. Raj loves a good story. Incredible stuff. It seems like this movie was fairly well reviewed. Some ups and downs, but they were, it's Schroeder.

The seriousness that he put into the direction of this movie, especially with all the coming off reversal of fortune, which was like sort of a mini-phenom. The depiction of Crossball Bueller. Yeah. He wins the Oscar and then... Brought us to Die Hard 3. Exactly.

So, like, he kind of brought a lot of credibility into the movie and it seems as if a lot of the critics that viewed it said, hey, in less capable hands, this movie would have been a complete, zany ride into bullshit land. But he takes it so seriously and he crafts it so well that it actually turns into a somewhat serious kind of actual movie. He does a really good job with the apartment. Oh, yeah. I never, you have no map in your head for where the rooms are, where the main room is, the kitchen. It's just kind of... Yeah.

It's almost like they're using three different apartments, but I don't think they did. And you just kind of never know where you are in a good way. There's something really brilliant about the kind of like apartment and the round geography of it, the way they have that foyer and all of the rooms. So go back... Another version of what you were saying about a spider, right?

there's like every room is a leg off of this middle hub. And so this idea that everybody has their own space, there's this discussion early about privacy. That's about the other neighbors. But then you shrink it down to inside of their own home. Privacy, of course, is not a thing that exists for any of the characters, ultimately. But the idea that you could always hear and see because every room has like a point of visibility into another from across this foyer.

Right. And then it makes those moments where like Heddy has left her door open to loudly masturbate. kid in the middle of the night or something like that. Can't wait to talk about that scene. All the more notable because you know she's like, you can see me, you can hear me, you can walk over. Also, the apartment complex is unsafe. The elevator is old and rickety.

There's a balcony that your dog can fall through. You don't have any safety from your neighbor listening to you fuck your boyfriend. Like the place itself seems... There's an incinerator that anyone can use. Boiler rooms. They're like boiler rooms, which we don't have in movies. We'll talk about that, too.

So the apartment building itself is a character. Yes. In a good way. In a good way, it's as destabilizing in a way as head heady is. Listen, there's a lot to get into with this movie. We have to take a break. I cannot wait to do the rewatchable scenes. That's next.

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but let's do a couple alternate candidates. How is possible roommates check the place out? This is incredible. Roommate's montage. Incredible. This is, there's a way to look at the movie in justice scene and say this is a reductive,

like offensive. string of stereotypes, but then there's the way you should watch it, which is to embrace the very intentional comedy and parody of it. You have like the contractor, the biker who's coming in, I'm banging on the walls, I'm going to fix it up. You've got the gorgeous, stunning hot chick who's eyeing Allie and Allie's eyeing her. You have the third candidate who says, and I quote, I'm an incest survivor, you know? Yeah, yeah. I haven't remembered the incident yet, but I know it's there somewhere. Therapy girl, right? Yeah. And then, of course, you have like the seemingly normal woman who also seems like she

could maybe be a secret murderer. There's something very kind of, like, creepy about her perfection. So you're hitting all the beats, and then in walks, petty. It's just a perfect setup. As Alice slump crying, holding a scene of the car. And the interesting thing is, the woman that the seemingly, the way too sack her and nice lady, the movie sets her up as the roommate that she should have actually chosen. Yeah, and was about to. And was about to choose. And then Hedy earns her way.

That's right. Into the apartment, right? She actually earns her place in the movie, which gives the audience the opportunity to say, hey, Allie's not an idiot for picking her. She caught her at a low moment. Then the water sprays them. She fixes the water. Then they're eating ice cream.

Then they're eating ice cream again. Makes her a tea. There's like the nurturing aspect, which is a through line. And there's always something. This is one of the things I actually love about the movie. When Hetty is trying to be like a caregiver, it is comforting and like incredibly discomforting at the same time.

Like the breakfast scene later with Sam is a good example. She's like, I made you breakfast. Scramble or fried. She's like, I'll just take this orange. Can you stop trying to fuck my boyfriend? Yeah. You know, what do you guys think about me? Maybe like, would you trust me to make dinner tonight?

It's our anniversary. Yeah. We're good. Yeah. You know, but you do understand how Ali, who like, didn't want to be on her own. and is mourning the loss of this relationship is, like, seeking that nurturing presence

in her life. Even though Hedy is not that, she is able to, like, provide that in births so that Allie craves it. This is another trope, though. Allie is... No family. Right. No friends. Her only friend is Graham, the trusting gay guy. Upstairs or downstairs.

Upstairs. He's just available all the time for her. Cat lover. She just has a cat, doesn't have a job. Carmen. Anytime I'm here, let's do a podcast. Also, listening to her have sex. Like, Graham, he could have him to take his shit up, right?

Graham is a freak. It's like, how long did Graham, why did he Graham wait how many years to tell her that? Well, yeah, that. By the way, I've been listening to you have sex for three years. Yeah. Well, loud one last thing. You like being on top, it sounds like.

Graham is like quietly a Rose from Titanic Award character who's sneaky sucks candidate. Sneaky. Because he's supposed to be like, I'm your friend, you can come talk to me, you can tell me what's on your mind about heady, you can tell me what's on your mind about Sam. But not only is he listening and not telling her for months

on end, here's my big or no for grandma. This will set up some of the pet stuff to come. You're waiting until a couple days before you're going to Boston for a wedding to set up cat care? Cat care. It's tough. What the hell? That is just not sufficient. By the way. Hey, here's some keys. Would you swing by? Yeah? A fucking loyal cat. Did she?

Hey, is that why they have kitty litter? That, his commentary on the litter box was galling. He's an ass. By the way, I'll tell you something. And the cat loves him. He's got an asshole. The cat stuck next to him when he was seemingly dead. By the way, that's terrible.

That's very upsetting. Listen to something that happens at the end of the movie when she's giving her voiceover. She says, I cried all the whole week of Sam's funeral. Graham told me that's not going to bring him back. The week of the funeral. Graham. Graham says that's not going to bring him back. Stop crying, bitch.

This motherfucker's dead. Graham, are you nuts? If she was crying six years after the funeral, maybe you say that. The week of the funeral, he says that, Graham, what the fuck is up with you, huh? Stop crying. I can't hear your conversations and your sex through the vent if you're crying. Stop crying. I cried all week after the funeral for my boyfriend who died because my roommate rammed a high heel in his face after blowing him.

Stiletto to the eye. Graham's like, shut up, move on. I find another roommate. I have for alternate rewatchable scenes. Hetty walking in on Allie, trying her earrings and perfume. Great one. I mean, I know you, we probably have the same thing coming later.

But there's some violations on Alley's side. Oh, yeah. We'll talk about it later. Definitely. Random topless scene, I like when there's nudity early to be like, all bets are off this movie. Yes.

There's no reason for this girl to be naked. Get ready. Buckle up. Yes. And then, Hedy does the take the Perlterings, try him on and she's

and we're just like, okay, we're getting off here on Weird Mill. And she sniffs her neck. Yeah, it's just getting weird. Hetty buys a golden retriever puppy without telling her. And some of the worst puppy raising possible. No crate.

Here, puppy, just go in this room. We'll close the door. What could go wrong? Yeah, tough. Terrible. And then all of a sudden it bonds them together and they do the family portrait. Family portrait is

really creepy. You know that that's after after they do this. Any time in the movie 's tough. Anytime in a movie where three characters get together and they take a picture, somebody's fucking dead. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to look back at the picture. That's me, buddy. Allie disappears with Sam, comes home

after two days. Incredible. Eddie gets super pissy about it. This scene's amazing. Unbelievable. This is where it's like, all right, I got to maybe I'll go upstairs, see if Graham's home. I got to figure out an exit plan right now. She's done in the lease. And we see stuff that, of course,

Allie doesn't, including heady kicking buddy. Terrible moment. By the way. Horrible moment. I had that in one stage the worst. Awful. Didn't feel like CGI'd or anything.

Oh. That felt like a straight puppy kick. Very upsetting. Do you have like the actual buddy took one 1414? That's a live. Great question. That dog went flying five feet. It's very upsetting.

We used to raise these dogs. These dogs are soft. No, I'm just joking now. Well, shit. Chair sex. I see too. Chair sex is a great scene. Chair sex is great.

Hey, can I be honest with you? Yeah. Two beautiful bodies in this fucking scene, right? I don't remember seeing as much of Sam as you end up seeing in this movie at one particular part. Oh, yeah, yeah. You see some dick later.

You see his balls hanging from between like his shit. He does the Douglas. Yeah, oh yeah. Yep, some strong of balls. That's right. Right around when Basic Instinct, I think Basic Instinct came out first.

Maybe he was like, keep the balls in Douglas. What did I tell you? Yeah. There was a white male butt, competition that was going up. Bals and butt. It was a thing. The next thing I wrote down was the masturbation scene right into everyone having eggs.

That's right. This movie's amazing. Great stuff. Yep. What a fake out on the masturbation scene. You think she's riding some dude she met. Does the rollover. I did the first time I saw it.

I thought she was having sex with somebody. And then she does the rollover. And it's like, oh, she's by herself. I thought clearly, I think the fact that the positioning is like she, She looks like she's riding somebody. Well, she is trying to approximate the idea of being with somebody, right? Or maybe approximating what she saw when she... Well, that's the thing.

The fact that she has just gone and, like, brought Sam a post-coital soda and he's, like, naked in bed. Allie has gotten up to get a drink. The room at least has a smell of sex, I'm guessing. No question. No question. She gives Ali a kiss on the cheek, very deliberate. She's trying to, like, soak up any aspect of that that she can. And then she goes to masturbate.

So I think it was very clear that she was masturbating because she wants to fuck Sam and she wants to fuck Allie. She wants to be in that relationship with them. The fact that she is in that position when Allie first sees her before turning over, do either if you watch Shorsey? You don't, right? I've tried to get you to watch Shorzy.

Incredible show. Please watch it. The most recent season of Shorzy has an iconic opening scene where one of the characters, Ted Hitchcock, who they call 10-inchcock, is masturbating in that exact position and there's like legitimately a 15-minute conversation about how most people masturbate.

I can't recommend it to you highly enough. It is so funny and so good. So that was on my mind watching this. But of course, the best part of this is that Buddy Yelps. Yeah. Well, he's horrified. Well, Buddy, I just like, what did I get into? The bunch of out of pet store.

It's just unbelievable. I always thought that Buddy was yelping because he saw his second mom masturbating. That's not why Buddy Yelp. Buddy Yelp because he was yelping at Allie. What the fuck are you doing? Get it out of here. Get the fuck out of here.

He's like, give her some privacy. Yeah, he's like, you don't see, mom, mom is working it right now. Get the fuck out of here. Why would you hear that and then walk over to the goddamn door? I'm telling you. Allie is the villain of this movie. Why would you walk towards your roommate? If they're fucking or if they're maselian, what you're doing?

He'd even a private moment. I can't let this moment go by without getting. Van's take on the top five face-down masturbation scenes and movies. Oh, shit. Jeez. Face-down masturbation. I feel if anyone is prepared to go off the dome with this one, it's you. That might have been the only one.

I can't think of another one. Again, I'll direct you to Shorzy. Okay. I don't ever remember seeing that or a movie before. Because the face-down... I'd say her thing. What? It's just like...

The face-downer. Hedys thing? Yeah, like being... She's dominating herself. Yeah. Yeah. You like that. I'm just saying.

I didn't see the movie. movie. I feel like it invented it. Leading to the eggs and Hedy just being a little suffocating. Come on buddy, three's a crowd. Three's a crowd, buddy. And Bridget Fonda, who's a really good bitch, it's like,

he's fine, Hetty. Just like, just like coming through. So anyway, you know it's time for buddy to die, which leads us to a non-rewatchable scene. The murder of Buddy. Horrible. The second worst thing to ever happen to a dog in a movie.

You know what the first one is, right? No. When Michael Douglas' fatal attraction character fed spaghetti and meatballs to his dog that have been alone for two days, the most single violated I've ever seen Mallory. Terrible. Oh, no. I was thinking about the rabbit. The rabbit.

No. Boiling the bunny. Boiling the bunny, whatever. The bunny just died. Feeding your dog, spaghetti, meatballs, the diarrhea. Terrible. Recipe. The dog hadn't eaten or gone out in two days.

This is the worst thing that's ever happened. TV, not movie. But what about when Tom has to pull? whole panty hose out of Mondale's ass in succession. Remember that? Oh, yeah. Well, we... That was very upsetting to you. We talked a lot about Mondale, the most neglected dog in TV or movie history.

By the way, right now for pets, we're in the dirt. We're in the dirt right now for pets. Pets are being killed for... I can't handle it. And, like, fucking, like... I'm very worried about Supergirl. I'm very worried about crypto and Supergirl. Crypto has been victimized twice. He was victimized in Superman,

victimized the Supergirl. Well, the plot of Supergirls... Supergirl seems to be. Oh, the Punisher thing was awful. The Punisher thing at the beginning of the movie, I'm watching it. Territory Last Kill, Bill. You won't see it. You haven't seen it. It's a special presentation. John Wick? John Wick. John Wick, I feel like ushered into

this kill the dog for the plot of the thing kind of... You know what? This is the new fringing? The new fringing is the killing of the pet. Not into it. A lot of people out there care more about pets than humans. Well, yeah, I mean, I do. So if you kill somebody's dog, in the beginning of the movie,

you want revenge more than if you killed like their wife or something. Right. People are weird. Especially the cute of the pit. I also had the puppy murder as the OK motherfucker award for when this movie just goes up a notch.

Right. They're coming home. There's a fucking dead gold retriever in pool of blood. Horrible. It's like, oh, okay. Horrible. We're ratcheting up.

Small scene. Devastated Hetty hits on Sam. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Weird scene. Gives the hug and then a little more... Sam's thinking about it for about a second and a half.

Sam's a dog. Hey, in the book, in the book, Sam and Hetty actually have sex and Allie catches them. Is that true? That's true. In the book. Well, we know Sam went to visit his ex-wife and we couldn't make it an hour. Right. Sam, by the way, I got to say something to Sam, man.

I got to say some of my boss. Well, he's dead. So he's not listening. I apologize, Sam. It shouldn't have happened to you. It was accident. It was an accident. Seriously.

Sam, just his explanation. for fucking his ex-wife, Sam didn't even fucking try. No. Sam, no, he the man. Sam, like, she calls him out. San anniversary of her divorce. She was upset. She was upset.

What the fuck you want me to do? So I fucked her. Like, hey, what do you want me to do? I go over there, we got divorced. I feel like it was, what do you want me to do? So what? People make mistakes. Am I supposed to, not fucker?

Yeah. The craziest part about that to me is that the bulk of the, like, attempt at reconciliation from there for Sam is or, and honestly, Ali's reception of it. too is really oriented around the idea of like, well, it's scary to me that you, that I wouldn't have known. Right. That you wouldn't have told me.

It's much more about him not telling her than the fact that he fucks his ex-wife, the day that he's in bed with her saying, oh, can we go pick out the engagement ring? And by the way, Sam didn't even try that bitch line. No. So, like, Sam didn't, hey, hey, baby, I don't know that bitch line. That never happened. Prove it.

Prove it. Is my word against hers? divorced her. She's crazy. Sam didn't even try. Why would I have done that? I'm here with you right now. Exactly. Exactly. You said that I'm going to have sex with her, then come back and plan a life with you. Exactly. She's fucking crazy. You just answered the phone. She knows you're here.

She's saying it on purpose. She's trying to put this on the message. She's trying to break us up. This is what they do. Sam, very lazy. Didn't even try. I don't say, I liked it. He knew Allie was kind of a pushover. Right. And he was getting away with it. Huge power play by him. He was kind of on his home

and told us off. A little bit. A little bit. And then he was going to go tell Allie, hey, Hedy gave me a blowjob. Just letting you know. He was. This is so crazy. He was going to be honest again. He and you are, he says, I'm going to tell it. My dog.

How can you tell her? Right. Like, you nut it, dog. 25 seconds. It's one thing. She comes in. We can get to it. Wait, we got to wait on that one.

Yeah. I have the, uh, that would, how would Van Lathen get out of this one? Should be changed to how it Sam get out of this one. Right. Hey, come on. It was our anniversary. Right. Was we going to do enough,

Funker? Yes, incredible. Which we talked about right into the snooping scene. Into the shoebox. Yeah. Uh-huh. I just want to say, and this is another great,

this movie has 15 great movie tropes. I love when our deranged future at the end of the movie is going to be a killer keeps a collection of all of their stuff from their life. Fatal Jackson did this too. It's like, I'm not only crazy, but it's super easy to find a roadmap to how crazy I have. Always newspaper clipping.

Always incriminating evidence is in one place, and it's not even locked. And I left it on my bed. And then I threw a wet towel on it, so you know I didn't want you to see it. So you definitely go back in the shoebox. There's no sweater over it. It's like shoebox, evidence, like a big name tag on it. I love it. My favorite scene that's also the most frustrating scene in the movie is the sex club.

Oh. Which features. Allie just walking 12 feet behind Hedy for blocks on end, not worried that Heddy's going to turn around and see her. It's not even just 12 feet behind. The best part of it is that then Hedy goes down the stairs. Which means she can literally see. She's the worst spy ever.

All of a sudden we're playing Enigma, which is a big horny music. Enigma and Nia and were the two horny music things. And we have this sex club. Yeah. there's like I guess a live sex show happening Yeah There's people in cages Yes

Yeah it's like a BDSM club We're there for 38 seconds Yeah And it's like this is What else is gonna happen in this club Heddy's having a drink pretending she's Ali Right using her names

And then we're just gone We're back of the apartment It's like can I have six more minutes? Well you get one thing that's very important Is Ali gets Allie gets approached Right Yeah

That's right Continuing the very present LGBT subtext that exists in this movie, which is the same-sex attraction thing that they keep playing with. Is this obsession not sexual? Is this obsession sexual alley in rebuffing the lady

basically reiterates to the audience that she's not down for that type of shit. She's not lickety-split, right? Right. So she's because... That lady was also kind of scary. That lady was kind of scary. Quite.

You want to play? No, I don't know. She's like, hey. At least not with you. By the way, filmed at a club, this will be for Mallory and I, filmed at a club, not, come on guys. Filmed at a club, the name of the club, the hellfire club. That's right.

Yep. Shout out Stranger Things. That's where this was filmed. Dungeons and Dragons. I was looking for the name in the club. I just had more questions. I wanted to be there longer. What happens there?

Is there like private rooms? I bet. Are there mattresses? No question. What else is going on? Right. And then why would Hedy know about, Hedy, this is the one scene

I don't feel like adds up with Heddy. She's like this socially awkward librarian who all of a sudden is at this sex club where everybody knows her. It's like, well, what's going on with her?

No one has ever lives a life in the day. Right. And then that life is in congruent with what they do when they... I'm not saying that. It just feels like they cut out a scene. Yeah, maybe, yeah, I can see you. I just felt like the way they presented her

was incongruous with her just waltzing into this club. No follow to it. Like, is she in that world? Does she participate in the BDSM stuff? Why is she there? I think that that question is kind of works actually because it's like to your point, you can believe that she's maybe always had this secret life and the like I showed up

in my frock with my frizzy hair and convinced you that I was just this like bumpkin is an act. Or you can believe that she was that person and has been that person. The entire time and was playing a part of SETI? Well, when she puts on Allie's skin, it allows her to go do this thing that she has maybe wanted to do. How would she know about that club? Bill, when it's like people knew her in there. It's a New York. Yes.

I know, but I'm just saying, I feel like I'm missing a scene. Do you think that the movie, I can see what you guys are saying with that? Do you feel like the movie, though, over the course of a couple of scenes, is hinting that there's something more to her, meaning she's clearly trying to seduce Sam. She's staying there in her in her panties, right? That's where I'm good at that. I needed one more with this. Right.

And then you also see that she tries to kiss him before, that there is some part of her that isn't as safe and mousy and non-sexual as what we think, that there's more to her as she's been able to hide it before. I think Sam steps in. I do. I don't think he's able to resist. Oh, yeah.

As she says, men are dogs, right? And Sam certainly is. I think that the fact that we know definitively, there are questions about Heddy. We'll get to them in some of the unanswerable questions maybe, including, like, the original trauma. what happened, she's Ellen, what happened to Judy the other twin. But, you know, she has this, like, line about, well, my parents, like, the last, you know,

the girl in Tampa called them two. In the shoebox, the newspaper clippings that you mentioned, like, some of it is about the twin who drowned, but there are newspaper clippings in there about automobile accidents. My read on this is that there is a long trail of dead bodies and lives. Well, the Western Union lady says it. She's like, oh, you're always a different person. person. So I think that the sexual, I'm sorry, that's

that blowjob is delivered by a person who has given some blowjobs for sure. Like, Hedy is a sexual person and so part of it is like she is mentally ill. Face down masturbator. Right. Yeah. She's experimenting with not only different motions but different modes of pressure, right? Good for her.

Get to know your own body. But why not? Try new things. Find out how it works for you. Sure. You know? She is mentally ill, right? There's like a lot of, you know, actual scholarship and then like half-assed internet scholarship

about what actually, like what affliction. Does she have borderline personality disorder? What is going on? What sort of sociopathic tendencies are here? I just assume she had separation with her twin sister that she never, like, solved. Well, let me ask you guys a kind of fundamental question. Like she's trying to replace her sister.

Did she kill her sister? And that has lived with that regret. Yeah. I think she accidentally killed her or... You see it was on purpose? I think she killed her she didn't try to. Yeah. And so...

Although... Although... I thought we know. Although... At the end, they say in the voiceover. Yeah, but although... Well, they say her parents tried to tell her it wasn't her fault, but that doesn't mean it wasn't.

Right. At the same time, though, there is a part where she is talking to Allie and she is talking about the fact that in a way she resented her sister. Yes, for leaving her. But she says one twin is always sort of prettier. Exactly. Always... The other one does the hard work.

The other one does the hard work. The other one does the hard work. work. So there did seem to be some animus between her and her sister that would like need to motive and intend. I think it's definitely possible. There's a really valid read that it was an accident and then she or something happened in that moment that then set her down the course of doing this stuff on purpose from there, which is what the ending of the movie positions Allie to be, right? This thing happened that was not of her design. But then she's got like the split face photo and she's like maybe Allie is the sociopath moving forward now.

But I think because of that line that you quoted, the idea that the one twin is always prettier, there's this covetous aspect right away. My canon is that she killed her twin on purpose. It doesn't mean she didn't then miss her or regret her and spend her entire life trying to fill that void. But the jealousy and the longing are inextricable for her. It's like the JFK assassination. Unanswerable question. Our next scene. Yeah.

The blow job. It's a great, like, the hip is elevated to, like, yeah, amazing. So I have thoughts here. Yeah. Number one, the first thing I have to say is, this leads me to believe that Ali isn't sucking enough dick. And I'll tell you. Well, because you wouldn't know is, you wouldn't know it was Ali just from the top of her head.

Right. But she's doing something a little extra special. Different technique at a minimum. She does different technique. Whoa. Whoa. You at least mention it. You'd be like, huh. what the fuck, babe, what's good?

And then you go, you look down and you go, oh shit, that's not you. Yeah. But he doesn't really do that. Well, he kind of does. He's like, Allie. But at the same time, he, like, look. No, it's heady. It's heady.

It's heady. Why do you think they call me heady, Sam? Incredible. He has the clear chance to opt out. A clear chance to opt out. And he goes. Well, that's the question. on that ride.

There's no question. There's no question at all. He grabs this to the end. And then afterwards, you legitimately watch the scene. He turns over and does the shameful after-sex pose. No question.

Fetal position of shame. Fetal position, you turn over and grab it like you're ashamed. He does that. This is one of the best scenes of the 90s. Craig, what was your reaction? Did you watch it with Liz? I did.

Yes. What was your reaction? I would love to know how many relationships ended right after the movie when the guy driving home went, well, I mean, he was pretty close to finishing. Like, it's kind of hard to stop. Like, you don't know what it feels like. Like, what's its building?

What are you going to do? Oh, my God. I mean, it's, honestly, one of the best scenes of the 90s for me. It's incredible. It is, it's so fucking funny to watch it with somebody who hadn't seen it. I mean, I'm watching, obviously, not a, not a scene I'd want to really watch with my daughter. Yeah. Right?

Not, wouldn't be in my top 10. Yeah. But you did. But you did. I kind of went like this because I didn't want to pretend I was watching. But then as it unfolded, it was so fucking funny

my daughter and my wife reacting. And then leading to the whole, they have a great argument. It starts like escalating and it just leads to all of a sudden he's getting a shoe in the eyes. This guy's fucking done. What a last 10 minutes of life.

Yeah, for him. Blown by somebody you thought was your girlfriend but wasn't, but you kind of went with it anyway. In the beginning, for sure. In the beginning when she first walks in, But, guys, I just don't believe after a certain point that you don't know.

100%. Sam fucking knew. Again, it is only 25 seconds, which is tough for Sam. So you time this. 25 seconds. Very tough. But don't you think he got. Would nine-minute van like to chime in?

Scared and excited that it was heady and that kind of got it going? 25-second Sam. It's no nine-minute van, you know? It's like eight minutes and 35 seconds. But I'll tell you guys, though. I tell you guys, though, like he, it's just so funny that nine minutes It's a herculean. You put it up.

So, I'll say this, though. That, the fact that she is so dope. Mm-hmm. We're talking about one of them ones, like a fucking Lacey Duvall, pinky type of situation going on. Shout out to them and everything that they've contributed. But, like, the fact that she's one of them ones like that,

Tiana Trump, I'm not going to go on. But, like, it. But you could. That makes sense that she was going to the sex club. Yeah. Yes, exactly. That she's going to the sex club.

She really undercover freak. You see that blowjob and you know that she has, in how many different guises and disguises and assumed personas, she sucks some dick before that is clear. There we go, Sam. The blue light, unbelievable stuff. Yo, by the way, I believe sincerely that Hedy has an ironclad self-defense case

in the killing of Sam. Sam rushed her. I mean, it's not Florida where you could, like, you know, do that five or six times. Oh, yeah, she definitely gets off. Yeah, in Florida. Although the prosecutor would be like, why did you go into Sam's room at 3.45 in the morning,

dressed as your roommate? And he's dead. He's got a stiletto to the eye, so he can't say I was violated. That's tough. Sam called. He wanted to talk to Allie. Yes. She was asleep.

And he said, have her surprise me. No. Sam said, why don't you come over? Yeah. and I said, okay. Yeah, and I came over. Yeah, the cover story would be pretty easy to spin, for sure. Sam, the fact that he's expecting, because he said to Hetty, like, have her surprise me,

that he's expecting Allie to show up, that Hetty has the haircut, that she's wearing the, like, shiny silver trench coat. One of the worst coats of the 90s. It's really awful. Their bodies are so radically different. Like, they're, like, it's like a half of foot in height difference. The second she's up. against him in bed.

Come on. You know that's not your girlfriend. The second she starts sucking your dick, you definitely know that's not your girlfriend. You gotta know. The technique is so different. I have a hot take. Greatest orgasm of Sam's life.

Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, there are worse ways to go. He's had to sleep. He's woken up the old-fashioned way. Realized that it's heading. He's kind of had already been thinking about maybe I should whip it in there one time and here we go.

Right. And just really went with it. He sure did. So on the backside, that's not. outrage, he's taken out his misplaced guilt on her. 100%. Because, as we said many times, could have stopped her.

The moment he, no, it's heady, you're just rolling over like, what the fuck are you doing? Did not do that. No, he didn't. He's like, huh? No, he didn't. Great to see if. What a scene.

Incredible stuff. Rewatchable scene of all time? I feel like I remember over the last few years, you pantomimiming the scene of the guy who doesn't want to get the blowjob that he's getting? Is that from this movie or is there another movie where this happens? It is this. I could have remember if it was a previous movie we had already covered or if it's single white female. I don't know what to do with the last rewatchable scene.

We've already, we already know what won, but it's, there's a couple different scenes when Hetty loses her mind. Yeah. And I don't know. I like when she's about to kill Ali with the knife, Allie gets scared. Can we count the entire... I mean, it's basically a whole one-long scene. Yeah, it's like 30, 40 minutes. Yeah.

So we all have the shoe scene as most... Oh, without doubt. Yeah. Okay. Has to be. What's the most 1992 thing about this movie? Some good candidates. I had eight entries.

So what was your best one? I think, especially given the role of plays in the plot, landlines and answering machines. Like, someone leaving you a message that plays aloud in your home. This is not a thing that happens. And also the you have no messages. Yes. It was a very 90s.

And being able to like someone else just goes into your house, they play the tape, they rewind the tape. You know, they don't need your phone password to like hear your messages. Ben, what was your favorite 1992 thing? They literally explain the internet, then use it. Yeah. Yeah. They literally go early. Yeah.

They literally go, hey, you can book a flight. Which, by the way, I did not know that you could book a flight using the internet in 92. I did not know that you could do that. Not positive he could. Yeah. Well, they literally explain the internet. Then they use it. Yeah.

Also, at the end, boiler rooms in movies. Oh, yeah, for sure. This was the thing that used to exist all the time. Shit would happen in the boiler room. It would be a big boiler room situation. I just don't see as many fucking boiler rooms and movies. I guess horror movies kind of. Yeah.

Boil room. Got boiler room in the movie. A dial-up modem sound too on the internet front. That's just, that makes you back. That's great. This depiction of also these New York apartments. Like, this reminds me, like, remember the apartment in Rounders. We want, we rerouched rounders and we go, look at that apartment.

She got a way to fuck up. I have a new way to fuck up. Enigma. Finding a roommate in a newspaper. Yeah, classified ads for sure. Of course. Yes. Erasing an answering machine message as a plot device.

The early internet stuff. Just seeing old school email, like when they show the computer, when she's making the airplane trip, just felt very 92. But for me, the most 1992 thing is Bridget Fonda. Just like her with this and singles at the same time just feels very rooted in that year to me. More so than snail mail? Someone mailing you keys. Yeah, that's... People don't really use...

Would Bridget Fonda make the top five Gen X darlings of the 90s? 100,000%. Who would they be? It would be Winona Ryder. It would be Bridget Fonda. Oh, Winona. Winona.

Winona is number one. Multiple lists. That's a great one. Winona is the number one Gen X darling queen. Without a doubt. I think Ethan, Ethan, are we going male,

FEMA or just female? You can go mail if you want to. Oh, well, then Ethan Hawke is like, you think Gen X, you think Ethan Hawke. Yeah, Ethan Hawke is there. I mean, we're really just doing the cast of reality bites. No, I'm just saying, like, when you think Gen X, it's those two movies. Right.

But Bridget Fonda would have to be in there because Singles is one of those films as well. But she definitely would be in it. I would have Josh Hamilton and kicking and screaming. That feels distinct to me. But then all the music from back then would be the other one. John Cusack? It's too late. Yeah, he's more late 80s.

You don't think so? I think he's late 80s. Oh, okay. I would have put him up there, but I guess. I have a 1992 thing. Taking a Polaroid of your roommate candidates. Yeah. So you know what they look like?

Right. Yeah. It's just insane to me. Paper clips. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, that is weird. Oh, we're going to take a break

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lollipops at my mouth award for something I just enjoy. What do you have, now? So we already did the Do I Want to Fuck You Kill You or BU story, which doesn't have to be two women like this, like talented Mr. Ripley, right? Any movie that kind of orients around that idea. But because we already talked about that, I will throw out to you guys something that in a movie we don't enjoy would feel disqualifying, but when it's done well, I just fucking love

even when it is so telegraphed and absurd. A Chekhov's TK list that is as tall as this New York apartment building. The air ducts, the incinerator, the elevator screwdriver, the stilettos, every single object or aspect that is

going to prove crucial in the plot has like a blaring siren when it is presented to us. It is undeniable that it will play a role in the climax of the film and then they all do. Right. All of them. And it shouldn't work, but I love it. I just enjoy it.

Check off sex. That's mine. I love crazy women in movies, man. Yeah. I love crazy women in movies. The crazier, the better. Fatal Attraction, single white female, a thin line between love and hate. There's never been a crazy woman in the movie that I have not enjoyed.

I mean, this is the lifetime motto of crazy women and crazy ex-husbands or boyfriends. Ripley is kind of in there. He's in that because there's a singing Ripley to me where he's dressed up like him. Oh, he's like dancing. He's like dancing. And Juval comes in, he's like, what the fuck are you doing? Incredible living. It's funny.

But I love it. And I especially love the scene where the characters no longer play like that woman isn't crazy anymore. Right. Hey, ditch you out of your fucking mind. I love it. So, like, this movie to me is the energy is everybody finding out that she's crazy. And her no longer caring about trying to hide the fact that she is deeply, deeply disturbed. There's been 40 years of these movies really start.

starting with fatal attraction. And I think I've seen 99.8% of them. I would have guessed 100%. Even like when Hillary Swank made hers. Which one was hers? She was the one when she was the one night affair. I don't think I've seen this. It's a black couple.

I can't remember who the actors are. Oh, you're talking about it just came out. It came out like two years ago. Three years ago. No, I didn't get a chance to watch it. Calico went on. I didn't see it though. Yeah.

They make it every year. They just put different actors in it. And it works every time. My Floyd Gondali When a movie or TV character Has an inexplicably incredible apartment That becomes a character in the thing So this apartment wins

The Denna Thieves Benny Hana Seenstaling location It also wins the Amanda Dobbins' word For Best Piece of Real Estate And it's used in a great way And I was thinking like the best apartments In movies We just did this with Ghostbusters

That was a good one Devil wears Prada Yeah Her apartment's great in Hathaway's, and then Ghost has a really good one. Sure. All New York City. But there's been some good ones over the years,

but this is a good one because I really feel, like I said before, about the, where you never know where you are in the apartment, I think really helps the movie. Yes. So there's never lights on. It's always like dimly lit and creepy. Always natural light. There's another good one, too, that I always loved as a kid.

When he finally starts to get money and big. Oh, yeah, that's the best. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a great one. But he finally starts to get money in big, and then he puts all that kid-like stuff in that apartment. That's like a fantastic little apartment. Yeah.

The bunk beds and the pop shot. I looked up this apartment complex. So right now, you can, the cheapest apartment there is about $700,000. They go all the way up to $3.5 million. But if you want to rent, you can actually get an apartment at the Estonia on the Upper West Side for $5,000 a month. Yep. Does it still have the incinerator? Because that would be a big thing for me.

screwdrivers still on a string in the elevator. That $5,000 a month apartment is $574 square feet. Well, that's the thing about this set. You have the basement, you have the whole apartment, you have the air vents, but their actual apartment, to your point, Bill, about like the, you know, I just enjoy it. She's like a struggling computer designer. It doesn't make any sense. And the cover of like the rent control and the history with the former business partner and she inherited this place and their separate. which makes absolutely no sense.

None of that. That's all just lampshading to explain how she has this place and can't let it go. Why she can't leave you? Yeah. It is absurd how large that apartment is. Well, the most famous TV example of this

was the Friends apartment. Of course, yeah. Because you have Monica and Rachel living there. Rachel's, both of them are scraping by. She's like a wannabe chef. Rachel's a waitress. And they have this spectacular, two-bedroom ton of light.

Was there a better title for this movie? is a category we never do. I just wanted to flag this one because I think this is one of the best titles of the 90s. It's great. Single white female is just an incredible title. You know exactly what the movie is. I think it got used in the years later.

Like a single-way female became like kind of a running joke. Like if you had a roommate, that turned out to be a little... Yeah, it's become a fur. It's like worked its way into the vernacular. It became an actual, like, psychotic thing. It became an actual thing. It's a shorthand for... Single-white female female.

If you say single-in-white female, you know somebody's roommate's nuts. What's age the best, other than early in the 90s, Bridget Fonda, just wearing cute outfits and various stages of dress for two hours. So, A, I put killing, putting animals in danger for the sake of story. No. I mean, I thought to say, that's a direct attack. I'd have to say it aged the best. It didn't age well, but it aged the best because everybody is doing it now.

Wait, can I interrupt you on that one? Because that was one of my, what's age the best? my wife's reaction every time there's some sort of pet murder or injury in a movie It's horrible She's seen this movie 20 times And as soon as buddy comes in

She's like, oh no It's tough Oh It's like you already know what's going to happen Why are you getting upset? Anyway, go ahead I gotta say this Jim for Jason Lee is fine

Okay It looks great She's great Hedie's naked body Yeah Has aged the best Perky. Perky, brough.

Every time, like, I'm watching the movie. I'm like, hmm, fuck. Ageing the best is me realizing that Hetty's kind of my type. And I'm actually kind of fuck on Hetty. You know what I mean? There was, like, does there need to be more black people in the movie? Yes, they needed a brother. What's not your type is a better question.

Like, on the top floor, the next floor, that like, I don't know, he worked for UPS or something like that. This movie wouldn't have even existed. Because he would have taken Hedy off of their hands. She'd have been hanging out with fucking Darius. Where's Hedy at? Where's Hedy at? Hedy up here. He would have said it through the bin.

Hedy up here. You're about to order some pizza, okay? Don't worry about where Hedy at. Like, the war I watched this, I was like, yeah, man. Every time she was, like, taken off guard by Hiddy, like, being naked, I was like, I want to be taken off guard a little bit more. She was doing her thing, man. She sure was.

What do you have, Beth? I think we've hit most of them. just the roommate horror premise kind of paired with the erotic thriller framework, the two lead performances, the specificity of the haircut. We already talked about the haircut, but it's not just that Heddy gets Allie's haircut

and Ali has like a bob or something. This is the most specific cut and color so that there's no way to get that cut and not tell Allie and us everything we need to know about this character. It's just such a perfect choice. Yeah, red hair and a distinct cut, a combo. Yeah, oh, I just say.

I didn't think you'd mind. What? Not a haircut that really took off either. Well, I have. This was not like Rachel and friends. I have a rebuke of that and it's going to be in recasting college. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

I think Allie's fashion has aged quite well. It's kind of iconic. It's just fantastic, except for that one shiny coat. And yeah, not just like the apartment as a character, but this kind of vibe of New York as a setting. You have this, like, classic Upper West Side apartment building and this kind of like aspirational slice of life. but then you have the sex club.

You have this idea of like a city where you can go to reinvent yourself. The fact that neither of them are from there is really perfect. Like they've both sought it out for different reasons. It's all great. I have any scary movie within an incinerator. Terrible. The moment you see that thing, you just know shit's going down. Yes.

My biggest thing, though, Peter Friedman is Graham the cat-loving gay neighbor. Frank from Succession. I shouted at my TV. Frank. I was watching him going, where the fuck do I know this guy? And I'm just staring it down. And I realized when he said, you have my dick in your hand, hetty,

but I have yours and mine. Oh, no, he didn't say that. But I just can't believe this as Frank. Yeah. Just picture Graham Bald. It's Frank. Frank knew not to do bore on the floor. Sure did.

So, Carl, you fucking do borer on the floor. I'm going to be over here. It's as good as TV ever got, man. But yeah, so did you know that was Frank? Well, no, not at first. I looked up the character and then I saw. Yeah. Yeah.

Not at first. Fucking Frank. I could have enjoyed succession completely differently if I knew he was grand. Well, on your next song or rewatch. That's the thing. You can think of Graham. A little time. Great Shock Order Award, I think, is the shot of her with the tape over mouth when she's

doing this as Heddy's like wreaking havoc behind, just the way they use. It's really legitimately scary for like five seconds. It is. I took the soledal to the eye, though. Pretty good. I feel like CGI would have done a better job. Yeah, there's just. I have so many questions about the physics of that.

I thought of when Allie is in the foreground and she's silhouetted and just she's all black, but she's like taking off her clothes. And then, and then Hedy comes up behind her and you can fully see Hedy, but Allie's in the front and all black and you can't see her. Oh, fully silhouetted by the light. It's really good, actually.

Look at you. Would you go to answer now? Oh, shit. Great one. It's great, great stuff. I like the, the way the end credits play over the tape together photos of half of each of their faces. That's like a kind of tantalizing image to close on in terms of thinking about

Ali's future from there. Craig, I'll let you take the Chess Rockwell and Brocklanders award for best character names since you made the joke last night. Hetty? Yeah. Yeah, they knew what they were doing. Great stuff. Eddie. Eddie. Eddie. Hedy. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's my voices matter. She is played by Jennifer Jason Lee as a sweet-faced, friendly little innocent. Those are the ones you have to look out for. I cannot find Hedra in my unabridged dictionary, and yet somehow the name teases me.

Surely it is the name of a mythological beast. That is in the actual Roger Eber review, which I assume means he thought Hydra. Incredible. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great stuff. Kid Cuddy pursued a happiness word. Best Needle drop. Obviously, Enigma. No question.

No busho. The subtitling on that is so good. Men singing Gregorian chant with disco drumbeat. Mallory of a flex. You can skip it because I think you might have already done it. I did. I did the Rose from Titanic characters. Nicky sucks for Graham.

Let's see. He really did suck. He did suck. He got some notes for Graham. And then he's just lying in the bathtub with his cat for two days. Poor Carmen. My wife and I were talking about that last week. That's a nip-pick.

Well, I think he's unconscious. until then. We were like, would Murph lie in the bathtub with us if we were unconscious? Because Crazy Hetty knocked us out with the golf club? It's like a relief that Hetty didn't kill Carmen, the cat. But it's a different form of torment to leave him there to feed off of Graham, who she thought she had killed. It's very upsetting. I guess for like the did this movie need a better sex scene?

You know, we get a lot. We have Ali Sam makeup chair sex at the hotel, which we already talked about. Sam and Ali fucking at the apartment. Allie seeing Hetty masturbating. the severe vibe shift into bitch up buttoning his pants because he thinks that he's about to get a blowjob as he is trying to rape Ali, the sex club, and then of course

the blowjob sequence, which we've already talked about, and then Allie kind of kissing Hetty at the end so that her throat isn't slit. So did we need anything beyond that? On the apartment front, this caught my eye on a rewatch, you guys noticed the mirror above the bathtub? Oh.

I think we could have availed ourselves of that in some way. Allie's taking a bath, Hetty comes in, it's uncomfortable, she's encroaching, she's going too far. She just wants to, like,

offer to wash Ali's hair or something like that, but really she's looking in the mirror to try to see all the things she wants to see. Maybe she offers to just, like, wash her back. Where does the hand go?

That scene fits perfectly in this movie. It does. And I think it sets up, to your point about, like, the single white female seeking single white female

in a different way. The subtext is there already, so to make it more active text, I think, There's plenty of Hetty voyeurism already, but he's more like clear. How's the peepin, Tom? Hetty is just like watching through the crack in the door.

Tommy. Tommy. Tommy, Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy.

Sam and Ali. Tommy. How's the peepin? I have a note on the Mallory Rubin category, even though it's your category. Tell me. Just. I don't,

the chair sex scene, I don't know. Not enough light. We're fucking with it. It felt very like the intimacy coordinator was staging it. I just felt like very acted. That was before all that bullshit. we didn't have that then. I know.

It just felt like, go for it. Bridget Fonda, she's naked a few times this movie, but not really. Right. It's always like discreet or she's covered or whatever.

It's like, you know what you signed up for. Incredible. What's age the worst? Listening to someone in a different apartment through an air event. Tough. Tough.

Does anyone know anyone that was ever able to do this in real life? Because I don't. You know what? This was just used as a technique. I thought wonderfully in sentimental value. Do you guys see this movie last year? This dog,

I did. Gorgeous film. So they had the, like, from upstairs you could hear into the downstairs study. This comes up. This is a thing. This was a real action movie

thriller device, though, for a decade. I think there's a giant nitpick here that we can hit later, but... Wasn't there, like, a reality show about people in prison where they were talked to each other

through their toilets or something like that? Oh. Wasn't there like love after lockup or something like that? Because the sound is like traveling through the pipe. Talk through the toilets or something.

Whatever. I just don't know what your cable habits are. I apologize. Don't you? Allie's crazy silver purple raincoat. Horrible. There was no error where this coat made sense. Awful.

Heady kicking the puppy. Terrible. We mentioned the early 90s sexual harassers and movies were just the most over-the-top version of them. I have a related once-age thoree for this. The guy from Groundhog Day, I don't know. They ruined Ned Ryerson from Groundhog. I know.

It's tough. Ned Ryerson is just like a maniac. And the movie flirts with the fact that he might save the day. This is my once age the worst. This is genuinely like, you watch it now. The brief attempt at redemption for the would-be rapist

bitch. I think we edit that out now. There's a note on that now. But then she's all tied up and he goes to basically untire but gets on top of him. He's still Mitch Myersson. You kind of think he's going to undo her and go, yeah.

I saved you. What you got for me? What do you have anything? Okay, two things. Number one, this movie never happens today because you Google your new roommate. I mean, yeah. So you Google the roommate and then you see all the fucking shit, you don't do it. And then number two, this is really aged the worst to me.

The 80s and 90s kink shaming that used to go on is crazy. Think about it. Like you have to be a freak if you went to this club. Yeah, right. Yeah. Seven. Police Academy. Remember the running joke in Police Academy

about the Blue Plate Lounge or whatever was going on? There was an assault on the BDSM community in the 80s and 90s that I don't appreciate, right? Yeah. We're over that. I'm with you. We're over that. Billions opens with Chuck Rhodes getting burned with a cigarette butt and pissed on.

And that's how it should be, folks. Yeah. Yeah. And we're back. You know what it ended? Come all the way around. You know when this assault ended? It ended when the BDSM club was kind of the club

that outed Vito Spadafore in the surprise because he was there. It's a fucking joke. You better not tell anyone. After that, we kind of came to it because we love Vito. Any other what's age the worst?

Because I have two more. I think just like Allie colon tech genius. Oh, you don't like it. What is her business exactly? But this is, we've talked about this in other pods. 92 to 95, you could basically do anything with the internet. And nobody knew anything about the internet.

so you could just pull it off. Crazy. Like, yeah, she's just, and then the account shuts down in 24 hours. Right, she's like, none of this stuff exists. Enough of a coding genius to put in a payment bomb.

But the business seems to be basically, like, change from solid olive to leopard print with one click. And when Mitch, the rapist, asked to see it, it's like,

here's the invoice. It's proprietary, yeah. And I can't get any clients, even though I'm a coding genius. Never see her working, coding, anything. She just seems like she goes to get ice cream.

Great old school. shopping. All right, I have a couple important ones stage is worse. Okay. When Hedy dies, when Allie kills her, I really think it needs a line like, you're off the lease.

Like some sort of Schwarzenegger line. I think we need some sort of levity there. You're evicted. Yeah. This is your eviction notice. This is your eviction notice. Because the movie's so campy at that point, just have fun with it.

Now you don't need to find another apartment. Yeah. This quote, Did you know that identical twins are never really identical? There's always one who's prettier and the one who's not does all the work. She used me and then she left me just like you. I'm giving this the Earn This Award for the line that should have been shown to William Goldman first. They're just pouring it on a little too much.

Let's do better with our screenwriting guys. And then this is just for me personally, but the Jennifer Jason Lee, I have to give her the Ted Levine Award for a performance so good and distinct, it may have ruined the actor's career. Did not ruin her career. It ruined her for me. I just see Hetty after every movie she made after this. I'm like, watch out for her.

Hans Gruber scale villain ranking. I'm in. It's way up there. Oh, you have her way up? I have her way up. I have her lower because I actually feel bad for her and kind of liked her. No. I'm sorry. The puppy killed her.

She threw Buddy off the balcony. Fair. Previously had kicked Buddy. Leaves Graham's cat to feed off of his supposed corpse. She thought it was a corpse. Also murders a lot of people. But it's the animal stuff for me that takes it up to... She was activated, but at the same time, she's cold.

Okay. Ruffalo Hannah Rubinac Perchage overacting word, obviously, Stephen Toblaski. Just Stephen Tobelowski? Yeah. Just dialing it up as Mitch Mearsen. Boy, is he. He's basically like... He had to go back the other way with Groundhog Day to just make us like him again

after the Mitch Mears the thing. What do you have for your flex fan? Lists, I'll be quick. Top five. this motherfucker is crazy moments in movies. Like the moment in the movie, you realize that this character is out of their fucking mind. Number five is a tie, Bishop in Juice and O'Dong and Men's Society. The killing of the convenience store people in these movies where you go,

yo, why did you do that? You're crazy. Number four, Hedy comes down the stairs. Yeah, with the new haircut. With the new haircut. Just an all-time. No, she's really out of her goddamn mind moment. Number three, still a scene that creeps me out, the Annie I hate profanity moment from misery.

You remember this? Yeah, sure. He's talking about he's going crazy over where he realizes, yo, I'm in trouble. Number two, the fight club self-beat up. Yeah, sure. By Ed Norton. You could also go with later on when you realize it's all in his head and there's no Tyler Darden. Spoiler.

Number one is clear the craziest moment of. Anybody that's ever been crazier in the movie is Buffalo Bill. Yeah, of course. In the goodbye horses scene. Of course. Would you fuck me? I was going to say, Bill's favorite.

I was going to say, he's now got the skin on and the whole nine. You're looking at this. This is the craziest character we've had in the movie ever. We've done a number of those on rewatchables. Strong list. Anything? She's got to get the hose again.

Isn't she pushes? I would have thrown Wayne Grove in there. Oh, Wangro. Wengro just shoots the guard in the van. There's the reason. I had to get it on.

But you could go for that. You also could go for the time that Rangro like randomly kills a prostitute for no one. But we already know he's crazy. We already know he's crazy. But we know that he's got an impulse control problem

at first. The second one is this guy's actually like a homicidal maniac. Just killing random. Gans in 48 hours. So it's a good one too. Yeah. Oh, the Sierra thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford Hottest Take Award.

I kind of did mine with Fonda and Sandra Bullock. I have another one, but I feel like Vann's going to do it or one of you is going to do it. I have two. One of them is what Van kind of already has alluded to a couple times, which is like, petty, better roommate than Allie? Is this where you want to talk about it a little more? Yeah, let's do it. I think we all have this hotest take. A lot of this, I could make a easy.

Was Ali asking for it? Was Ali? I could make an easy pro-hitty argument here. Easy. Heady fixes the plumbing. Makes breakfast. Offers to make dinner. Makes tea.

Dries your wet clothing. Compliments your fashion. Encourges you to stand up for yourself at works. Defends you to your shitty boss. Ali snoops through your stuff. Yep. Allows Hetty to think that she was abducted and killed in the scary city of New York. Lies to her about the lease.

Promises her she won't kick her out. The original sin of the movie is Hetty asking her, you're not just going to go back to. to him, Ali completely lies, and then puts Hedy in a bad situation. Also, be a good roommate. She wants to hang out with you. Well. Just like have breakfast with her for 40 minutes.

It's done hard. Walks into her room while she... Watches her masturbation. Watches her masturbation. With the goddamn puppy? Yeah, buddy. Follows her to a sex club. She can't go to a BDSM club.

By the way, goes through her stuff, not the second time, but the first time. Yeah. She's like looking at her prescription pills. Look at all of her shit going through her. shit walks up to Graham's house, Graham's apartment, just a shit talker for an hour. Right. With the vents.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. I do have a related sort of like the inverse of that hottest take. It's still an anti-alley take, but it kind of is also thus an anti-heady take. This gets back to the idiot plot thing. Okay. Allie too dumb to live?

That's the take. Is Ali too dumb to live? I'm sorry. The list. She does get very resourceful with about 15 minutes left in the movie. It's way too late. For reasons that make sense. Turning up the volume on the TV's smart.

That was smart. Way too late. Savvy move. Way too late. Missing mail. Missing messages. The steady, the growing volume of the matching outfits, this person is stealing your wardrobe, got your exact same, very distinct haircut, has a secret identity in a shoebox waiting

for you to look through. uses your name at a sex club, responds to you going out for a night with your boyfriend by screaming at you, where the hell have you been? Finds you and your boyfriend in bed, goes and brings your boyfriend a soda, talks to him while he's naked, and then immediately go and masturbates with the door open,

says three's a crowd to your dog as she is feeding your boyfriend breakfast, scares Mitch, appropriate, but does it by threatening his family, Really worrying, right? Allie calls Ellen's parents and is like, I'm sure you have the phone number. Based on what? Why do you think they have the phone number and know where your daughter who has assumed a false identity is?

Unfeased by a sinkful of bloody clothes. All head he has to do and pretend she got her period. And Ali's like, yeah, that makes sense. That's why you have blood on your blood. It's like the fucking OJ and Nicole. Your gloves are coated in blood. And you're like, oh, this always hits when I'm wearing something nice.

Allie, too dumb to live. I'm sorry. Wow. The only person I think dumber in all the From Hell series is the mom and him that rocks the cradle. She's like legitimately, that's actually a poorly written character. Yeah, she's the stupidest person.

Yeah. And we might have to deal with her in a later episode. I have a hottest take as, as we're thinking about this, that I didn't know I was going to have. but I have now because you mentioned Mr. Ripley. Is this movie a better ending of Allie just gets killed by Hetty and Hetty takes her life in the last 10 minutes?

She's just now Hetty. I mean, now just Allie. I kind of think so. She has all her clothes. She has her haircut. She's not on the lease. She just starts... I hadn't thought about it.

She goes to the sex club and she's like, hey, Allie, what's... And it's just like I've now taken your life. Well, I tell you what. Yeah. It's a better ending than the ending we have. If that does happen, the movie is for some reason, like, more memorable because her becoming Ali. Ali doesn't know anyone. Ali doesn't seem to have any family.

You could pretty much take over Ali's life in New York. Honestly, works Mr. Ripley really well. I really enjoy it when he becomes, what's his face? What's the character? Dickie Greenlee. Dickie Greenlee. Yeah. I like when he becomes Dickie Greenlee for half hour.

You know what's funny about the end of Mr. Ripley is with everything that Tom did, you almost still feel sad for him at the end of the movie. Of course. That the walls are closing in on him. He had it all figured out. Yeah, like, Kate Flanchett shows up on the cruise. Did you guys watch the Netflix, Andrew Scott, black and white remake of it?

I tried. A couple years ago. I thought that was really good. Yeah, I tried. Okay. There's a great cat in that one, too. There are no casting what ifs for this movie. I got no.

We mentioned. So there's not a, there's, oh, no, we have to do recasting accounts. I'm confusing. Best that guy word is clearly Stephen Tobelowski. Yeah. Always. Anytime he's in a movie. Did you know what his name was, Craig?

No, although I'm starting to learn it. He's been in enough of these movies. I will shout out. I mean, he was just to that guy for basically. Grief moment in this movie is the happy Gilmore Graham off. Yeah, Francis Day. Yes. That's a great. That's a great one. I honestly, the winner

might be Graham for this. Yeah. Peter Friedman. It's Frank from Succession, but I'm not positive I knew his name was Peter Friedman. Did you know that was his name fan? Nope. Yeah, I think that might be the answer. Dan Waiter's a word weirdly as Stephen Weber? He's only in like three scenes. Oh, interesting. I went with...

Including... Oh! Oh! You could go with him. I don't know why I thought he was in the movie too much. I went with asshole boss. Yeah, me too. Oh. Yeah. I went with him.

Mitch. Mitch, yeah. See, support sexual harassment. I got it. Recasting couch director or city. There's only five characters in this movie. I know. It's a small cast.

It's a weird one. Like, I actually feel like there should have been another neighbor next door or... Yeah. Something extra. I don't know. Let's say for recasting couch. I like your idea of... Darius.

Darius. It's incredible. Hey, knock, hi. Hey, man, hitty here? Yeah. Hey, come on, girl. Hey, come on, don't worry about them. Hey, bring the dog, man.

We watch some of them. Martin' him. Hitty. We're cool. We're cool. Don't worry about it. It's a great movie. Recasting couch.

Hallie Berry as your lead. Oh, man. Same haircut. Oh, wow. So what I thought about the iconic. The Boomerang haircut. The Boomerang haircut. Hallie Barry is your lead.

This is why you're you. Now. You got all kinds of fucked up shit. Now, you would probably have to make the movie in, like, 96, right? Because, you know, we're coming off the rides. We don't need to incite people more. But, like, it's, it's like, we don't need to, we need to get back together. You know what I?

We need to get back on the same. Like, we don't need to get back. But, like, if you had Hallie Berry, and now you got something really fucked up. Great one. That makes the Sam seem a little tougher because Hetty is white, but it also makes it a little bit better. You know what I mean?

Well, you have to recast Hetty. too. No. You don't think so? Nah, it's still single white female. You leave it the, you leave it the exact same. You lose the red hair, red hair thing, but you gain... You gain all of the stuff we can't talk about you. Yeah, it's some really good stuff. Is the phrase single white female referencing Allie or Hetty?

Well, it's initially, it's Allie, right? It's single white female Sikh Seam is the classified ad that she puts in to look for a roommate. She's not looking for a single white female. She is a single white female. Both, Seek Sam. She's saying... Yes, right, exactly. Well, ironically, the next category I'd thrown in here was the Van Lathan Award for, did this movie need more black people?

I think we've answered it. We needed Darius. Darius from the fourth floor. Craig, what's your flex category? Oh, God. I have kind of a lot. I can throw... I don't even know what category this is.

I guess it's a hot take. I just think this movie features the weirdest sleeping arrangements and preferences that I've ever seen in a movie. This drives me crazy when people turn around where their feet and heads are in the bed. That makes no sense. Hate it. Everyone is sleeping with the door open. with roommates you just met, why is everybody sleeping in like flimsy nightgowns?

I don't understand that at all. Well, that's, I think, more like it's New York. We're setting a mood. Yeah, it's warm. You just met,

you've a brand new roommate, and you're just roaming around in some little gown. You're leaving your door. Like, they're not even locked, let alone closed? This is the female version of dudes whip their dicks out next to each other at the urinal.

Like, if you have a roommate, you wear a nightgown without a bra. It's fine. Like, would you ever keep your room open when your door open when you're sleeping with roommates

and your 20s? Like, were you doing that? I don't do it in my house now in my children. I think it's crazy that all these doors are wide open. Yeah, I prefer a closed door. Close doors.

They're so comfortable in this film. I don't know what category that you just created, but it's definitely something. I don't know what it is. The Single Way Female Sleaving Arrangements Award for the weirdest sleeping habits. Also, I had the same thing

that OK motherfucker for the exact moment when this movie goes up a notch with Buddy the dog. But I think we need to add a category for, we have this. The second you see a character, you know they're going to die. Oh, love it. The second I saw Buddy, I was like, that dog's dead.

Instantly, yeah. Like, you know. Instantly right away. That almost was the... I promise you, swear on my dad. That almost was the list. Yeah. The list was almost... I couldn't think of enough characters. The list was almost. And then I misremembered the movie because Graham survives the movie. But like Graham is a character and Sam, you know they're out of here. They're fucking dead. Well, the late-time movies will have like somebody's friend who starts getting little nosier like, oh, no. It kind of fits on the Chekhov's list.

It's like Chekhov's pet who the crazy roommate's going to kill. And even a subset within that is you know the moment. Because when she calls Buddy over and he won't come to her, you're like, well, this is it. She's going to kill Buddy now. Because he prefers Valley. Just like everybody else. The woman's a psycho.

You've got to suck up to her. Yeah, the bunny from fatal attractions like that too. We'll take one more break and then we'll rip through the rest. All right. Halfass Internet Research. So there's this poor test screening with the ending that got reshot. I really did a lot of recon on this, trying to find out why I was different. I found an article about Schroeder said, the studio said I could go ahead and reshoot.

There was a technical problem. I decided with the extra money I could do better. I ended up adding another beat to the climax. Spent $60,000 a day for two days. I don't know what the reshoot is, but when you watch it, it's one of those movies that feels like it's going to end and then it doesn't. Yeah. And then it ends again.

Yeah. And I wonder, like, was this a better movie if she just killed the elevator fight scene is just the last scene? We never go back in. We're not climbing in vents. There's not a rat. We just get rid of that and they die in the elevator. Might have been the better way to do it.

And the elevator is foreshadowed a little bit, too. It is. The screwdriver. Or like we do the whole, the elevator stops halfway through the floors and somebody gets dismembered or, you know, out of there. Yeah, that seems likely as well. well throughout the film. It just feels like something's missing with us.

It seemed like the movie didn't really want to commit to Hedy's death. Hedy could have had a grander death. I mean, yeah, even like there's something about the voiceover at the end where you're like, that sounds like Hedy talking? You know, like, I think they're trying to heighten the theorizing and the mystery and the intrigue. What's the point of the photo with the split thing? Like, who would have that?

I think to put Allie in the Hedy position, like this trauma. And that goes back to the. unanswerable of like, did Hetty always mean to kill her twin or was it just a terrible accident or some impulse that then let her down this path? The idea that Ali has now done this thing that will lead her down this path and that she is now in the Hetty position. She's keeping Hetty's possessions. She's talking about trying to forgive herself. The ending in the book, which like Van, I have not read, but did a little like, okay, what happens in this book, it is really different. So that makes it even harder to try to figure out what they changed because it's so distinct

from what the actual story is. You mentioned the Hellfire Club. They wanted it to look like a club called the Vault, which was another fetish club, which is why they had the red signature V from the vault, which I know you know. Probably not. But it was all an interior set.

And then, so in the blowjob scene, Bridget Fonda is actually in there for a second because there was some, Jennifer Jason Lee wasn't ready and they needed somebody for a shot. So she actually is in there at one point, which is why that fucks with the audience a little bit too yeah okay yeah apex mountain

Bridget Fonda 100% definitely for sure 1992 was it Jennifer Jason Lee's a tougher one I don't even You gotta go with the really know what it is She had a long really storied career Fast times that's not it You get here It literally was her breakthrough role in a lot of ways

But then But someone say rush was so it's probably early 90s somewhere But then she gets But then Hayful 8 is like an Academy Award nomination and now she's back and more relevant than almost ever. I mean, Fast Times is 82. Hatefully, it is 2015. That's just a long run of.

What do you have for New York City movie apartments? Oh, man. Got a lot of good ones, including the Ranner's one, you mentioned. But it's probably Ghost, right? Ghost, that apartment was unbelievable. Yeah, Ghost is awesome. That's a great one. Because there's also an iconic scene that is set inside of the apartment,

which gives it a leg up on some of the other apartments. That was inside the apartment, right, when they were making the fucking clay? The pottery wheel? Ghost tells us what happens to people when they go to hell. Yeah, it's true. I told you that before. Stephen Weber, who's in this and Wings at the same time, I feel like this is it for him.

It's crazy to me that he's the Wings guy. I loved Wings. There's a whole class of Stephen Weber-type guys that I thought were going to be a little bit more around. Tony Goldwyn was like that until scandal comes. A whole bunch of guys, and they just couldn't, Pierce past, they couldn't even get to like the Kevin Bacon level it seems like.

They're just kind of gone. Puppy murders? Apex Mountain. I think it's John Wick. Yeah, it's John Wick. Is that a puppy and Johnwick? I can't remember. Yeah, you're right. Like thousands died because that puppy died. Evil movie roommates? I think this is it. Yeah, I think so. And then Enigma, definitely.

Yeah. You do a good chance. A good choral chance. Everyday objects is murder weapons. Is it this, the stiletto, or is it the ice pick from Basic Instinct? Tough one. I got ice pick's great. Because she uses it in a non-murder scene. Yeah.

But the stilettos are also used in a non-murder scene because they have they both try them on. And it's like who's going to buy them? Can I give an obscure one from a really popular movie? Of course. The Joker's pencil trick. Also on the John Wick front. Right, right, right. You remember that scene?

I haven't seen Joker in a while. From the Dark Night. From Dark Night. Oh, dark night. Like, I'm going to make this pit to disappear. Disappear. It's God. And then he pushes the guy's head down.

He pushes the guy's head. That is, like, for, if interest, so he had already, we had already seen him for an interest. It's a great one. We were in the Arklight, like, fuck. Great one. It's God. I wrote down how would Van Lathen get out of this one with question marks, but I feel like you already kind of did it, unless you want to do it.

Which one? Well, that's the thing. You could pick, you could pick the blow job scene. You could pick the ex-wife. anniversary scene, but I feel like you already did it. Yeah, let's get out of here. Because really, the only way to get out of you... Actually, can we do this?

What? Hetty doesn't kill Sam. She leaves, storms out, and tells Allie what happened. I went in, Sam called me over, and I ended up, I gave me a blow job. Come on, say the quote. Say the exact quote. Ali, he came in my mouth,

and then he tried to beat the shit out of me because I wanted to tell you. Okay. That's a line in the last. Well, let me tell you something. First of all, honestly, incredible. Honestly, I feel

I feel attack having even had this conversation with you. That's the first thing. I want to let you know that at the first thing. Because you see her fucking haircut. Yeah. You see the haircut. Right.

And forget about the fact that I... This woman's cuckoo for cocoa puffs. She's fucking crazy. By the way, I didn't know it was you, but you even, like, indicting me over this after you've seen it. Let's go to her room right now. I bet you if we go to her room right now,

we're going to find some crazy shit because that motherfucker is crazy. Now, did I enjoy it? That's not a question for you to ask me. I'm a man, there's biology to this situation. How do you knew it was her? Then you kept going. That's not what happened at all.

First of all, like, I didn't know it was her. I was asleep. No, you can't say I didn't know it was her. What? You can't do it. That's the one thing you can't do. No, you said you were asleep. I wasn't even awake.

You were 3.30 in the morning. Maybe you can get out of it. You cannot say, I thought that was you. Oh, but let me tell you. You got to go full toxic here, though, man. You got to go full toxic. You got to say, you know what? As a matter of fact, I only lasted about 30 seconds.

And that's because I'm not getting what I need from you. This is a separate conversation we got to have. Yeah. Oh, the Bill Clinton strategy. Exactly. Yeah. Work for Bill? I went.

We were missing something in the relationship. There wasn't the spark that was there. Now, I have to say, after we get rid of her, because we got to get rid of her, because I feel like she's going to go crazy. Me and you got to get away. Yeah. We got to go away. Yeah, we have some things to work through.

Santerini. Yeah. It's beautiful there. Santerini, nice. Beautiful there. Cruz or Hanks? So this would be for the Sam role. I think it has to be Cruz.

Really? Yeah. Cruz is Sam. Cruz fighting off the blow job would be one of the great ten seconds. Rwatchable's history. Oh, yeah, you're right. Hank's could be Graham, though. Hans could be Graham.

I don't know why I thought of like a... Probably a step down for him. For a American-common era. bosom buddy era Hank's Oh, as Sam Yeah Scorsesier or Spielberg

Guess what guys We're retiring This category Oh Because last week we did it With Spielberg For 2001 We can't top it

Categories done Put a fork in it We can't top that Craig No We had Spielberg Himself weighing it on Scorsesier Spielberg And seem to be really

enjoying it Yeah we do need We do need to get Scorsese's take I'm gonna ask you a question We'll bring it back If Scorsese ever comes on I'm gonna ask you a question

and I don't know if you're going to be able to answer the question because of all the people you've ever interviewed and had on as I have to notice, have you ever interviewed anyone who is as good or as cemented at the thing that they do, which is one of the biggest things. I'm not talking about like the best cornhole player in the world.

I'm talking about, if you're talking about just movie making, one of the five guys, have you ever interviewed or anyone who is at, as good and successful at the thing that they do as Steven Spielberg. It's hard. You have to have, like, Muhammad Ali. You interviewed Bill Russell, right?

That's a good one. Obama? The one moment I could think of that could match Spielberg was, I interviewed Larry Bird in beginning of 2012, and we were talking about modern players. And he did this whole thing about Kobe that literally changed my mind on how I felt about Kobe as a basketball player. He's like, Kobe Bryant's my favorite basketball player.

and here's why. And for like two minutes, I was just... It took Larry Bird to say it, huh? It really did. Every time I think we're going to get there, every time I think we're going to get there, people ask me at the time,

like, Bill's actually a real friend of mine. He basically... You always say something to piss me off. Larry Bird basically revealed, I am a Kobe guy, not a LeBron guy over the course of, like, 90 seconds, and it was a bit, but Spilberg, like, no.

It's nuts. Like, you can make an argument that the... He's the best director ever, probably. That he invented the blockbuster. Like, he's the reason why you go to the multiplex. Like, he, he, he, is the reason why this podcast maybe exists in a way. After we finished the pod,

Sean did his thing that Sam does after the blowjob. It went in the fetal position. Picket Nits. Oh, boy. All right, go. Allie, just the most gorgeous computer coder designer ever. Yeah. You can be hot and smart.

I'm okay. Okay, I'm just pointing it up. The lights in the apartment were never on. Yeah. Yeah. Why kill Buddy? He's your only friend. Nobody likes you.

Because she's not mentally well. Yeah, that's just a sign that she was truly crazy. I go to go to buddy. This is your guy. Take him for some walks. Have some buddy time. She wants to be chosen and he did not choose her. Right.

Very sad. Why would Sam think Allie wanted to come over at 2.30 in the morning in New York City? Just hop in a cab. It would be totally safe. Ever surprised me. Come on over. I have a couple more really good ones, but you guys go if you have an answer. Be quick.

Number one, Hedy is like 4-0 against grown-ass men. Yeah. She fucking Rhonda Rousey. She like, she legitimately... Really good. I have this one too. Like, she legitimately is undefeated against grown men. Graham gone.

Sam gone. Like, asshole boss gone. Mitch Biersson. Yeah, she's three and out. Yeah, she's basically overpowering grown-ass. Maybe she was doing Muay. Maybe she was. It specifically is the Sam one, though, because, like, she shoots Mitch in the head.

But, you know? she shoots him after a struggle. She does. She has like a metal crowbar from the door to hit Graham with, and he lives. The force, the torque, the velocity that you would need to brain somebody with a stiletto is like astonishing. Paul, I believe that you could puncture the eye, but we're going through into the brain so that he is in. He's not like twitching on the floor. Instant death.

From one swing. It's tough. I know it's made a medal, but no. And then other than that, I just think, I mean, you don't check the vitals on Graham. Graham is in there. Yeah, that's sloppy. That's sloppy. Sloppy.

Sloppy. But Hedy is sloppy. There's some other related, like, on the stiletto front and the sloppy front. She's slappy, right? Slop it. She leaves the bloody stiletto out on the bathroom floor. That's, like, worse than having all of your secrets in a shoebox. Come on.

I mean, we see her, like, do the full deep clean on the apartment. That's just a big picking thing. knit. I think on the air duct front and the sound traveling, there's a really big picking did here. So, Hedy, obviously we know that Sam has been listening to Allie. But in a crucial moment in the

movie, Hedy hears... Because she dropped something next to the event. She hears the conversation between Sam and Alley, which means that there's just no believable way that at no point would Allie have heard Graham through the vent and realize that

sound traveled through the vent. It just doesn't make any sense. It's like borderline disqualifying, but I'm okay with it. I have a... Would you actually die from taking a high heel through the eye? It would have to go into your brain. Or would you roll around and go, ah! Yeah. Oh, fuck!

It should be a longer and more anguish death scene, I think. Did you die from that, Craig? Not me. Not you? No. Not you. I think it would really have to get in there. I think he just died from shame, probably.

In that scene, wouldn't Heddy's like fingerprints, saliva be all over Sam? Yeah, she's getting caught. It's like that's why she's cleaning up. She has no chance. Oh, we're pre-DNA, though? No, we're still getting caught. No, we're not.

We've talked about this for some of these other movies in this time period. Like, it's, yeah, she cleans their apartment, but she doesn't clean the hotel. This is another picking it for me. There is a witness who thinks it's Allie. Yes, the hotel. It's the Hotel Atherton concierge. Yeah. 3.30 in the morning.

Just hanging out. Let's see you, Miss Jones. What's this guy doing? Nobody's ever been in a New York City hotel and had anyone behind the counter after like one. Crazy. The Heddy's heel still has blood on it after she leaves the hotel and walks all the way home. Yeah. It's still a blood mess.

Yeah. Her leaving the heels out is ridiculous. It's nuts. And then, so this was part of the reshoot thing for me. Graham's dead, but then he's alive. But then when you see Graham just kind of resurfaces for the fight scene. But if you really look at it, you don't see his face. I almost feel like that was part of the reshirt.

but they couldn't get Graham. Oh, interesting. And it's like, there's one moment where my wife and I are arguing about this because I'd watch again last night. She's like, no, no, you can see his face right there? And I was like, I don't know, can you? Thought so.

It's weird. He comes in to save the day, but he's kind of like doing the thing. Yeah. It's like the Al Pacino stuntman and Heat band. Yeah. Remember the Asian guy who's Al Pacino stuntman and Heat? And they didn't realize we're going to have 4K UHD,

Blu-LU-Rays. But the 80s would do that. Sometimes it would just like not even give a fuck to him because he's something. Another picking it is like in the end, the fight. A couple things on the alley front here again. You're about to be burned alive and you let a rat reveal your location. You have to mission impossible Krieger that rat. You just have to.

You can't, you got to squeeze the rat. You can't knock the rat on top of head. And like let the hunt continue. Expect there's more rats too. Relatedly. Great character. Yes. Oh, Krieger?

Just fantastic. No, great character. Oh, fantastic. Allie is a mashup of sports. Spider-Man and Rambo at the end. Yeah, how is she, like, climbing up in the vents? And hanging, swing hangs from the best of the back. We keep, we never say it.

This is the, this is the Erica Eleniac. You, like, what's the name of the movie? Under siege. How did you get this good, this quick? Crazy. Starts off, jumping out of the cake by the end, Navy SEAL. That happened in the 90s all the time. Not a single gym scene with her in this entire movie.

Doesn't make it happen. Go to NICNs all that time. It's all that time. Nothing. sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable I'd like to present to you single black female starring Amber Riley and Kay Michelle And then they made a sequel

Yeah There's a second one There's a whole franchise now I've not seen these Yeah Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores, Sainlo, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, or someone else? Yeah. I mean, Wayne Jenkins fits right in, called up from Baltimore to New York takes the Amtrak, the Assella Express.

There is apparently a detective character in the book, Detective Sergeant Kennedy. Yeah, yeah. So there's a role, and frankly, to your point earlier about, it's a really small character set in a small cast. I kind of like need the police to be involved at some point in this movie. Yep. Yeah. So this would be a better scripted series on. Oh, that would be great.

Wayne Jenkins, like, I didn't know we were dealing with super software engineer. You know, get Wayne up there. God damn, Allie. The other picking nit based on that, you're so right. So the second Allie puts the TV up too loud, like the whole building comes and checks on her, yet there's gunshots with Stephen Tobolowski. No one's there. Right. True.

Five shots. Crazy. I had for this, uh, Mike Breen. Oh. Who's now in the finals. Dang. Yeah, with Allie, Whirling. around the high-heel fan!

Great one. Great one. Just one ask her who gets it. Hetty, easy. Jennifer Jason Lee, no question. Hetty, easy. Jennifer Jason Lee, easy. No?

You think it's Fonda? Stephen Weber. No, I think it's Hedy. If it could have been best supporting actress, she had a chance. Probably in Ansibles we did, did Hedy Killer twin sister or not. I got another one.

Yeah. Would Hedy have died of Hantavirus anyway? Oh my God. Did she sniff any rat shit? She got a rat thrown on her. She had open wounds. Yeah. Hot to Hetty.

She got a rat thrown on it. She had open wounds on her. Would she not have died of Haunted virus anyway? Did Hetty create hauntivirus? Yeah. Great one. I mentioned I'm not sure Graham's in the final scene. I have one more big one. Did you have one, Mal?

We've hit a bunch. Like how many people has Hetty killed? Does Allie have a psychotic break like Hetty? at the end. What is your explanation for how Allie got the rent control department in a professional dispute

and settlement with a former business partner? You walked off with the hardware and a rent control department. Is that a thing that happens? No, I wouldn't have no clue. I'm not even sure

I really know all the rules around rent control stuff. I have no clue. I have no frame of New York reference for that type of thing. Dissar.

My big one is, how did Sam's funeral go? Let's walk through that for an hour. Does the ex-wife Lisa give a eulogy? Ex-wife's there, Blant probably hates Allie's guts. Right.

Wow. Yeah. The parents are there. They're going to want a story for how their beloved son Sam died. And the story is, oh, Sam's fiancé had this crazy roommate that dressed up like Allie and went to his apartment. They had sex and then she killed him with a high heel. Yeah. Allie, it's great to see you, though. Yeah.

What's up? How are you doing? Like, that is one of the most awkward 30 minutes. Swing by at the holidays. Yeah. I'd love to stay in touch. Hey, Ali, if it's cool. Can you not come to the lunch after the funeral?

It could be a little weird. It could be even deeper. The family could have always liked the ex-wife in the first place. They didn't want them to get divorced. So now, you young New York whippersnapper got on his son killed. And then at the same time, your friend Graham is behind you saying, hey, stop all that fucking crying. Don't cry, no means. It's a few, don't, you can't bring him back.

Stop fucking crying. It was weird. The ex-wife is definitely like, she did this. Yes. It's her. He would have been with me. She's the one that murdered him. The memorabilia you'd most want from this movie is clearly the high heel.

I think it has to be a slow-low. I put that right behind being right now. It would be dangling over him. Oh, you should get it. You should. You could probably find that props somewhere. All the props are out of control now. Well, make it happen.

I think you deserve it. Treat yourself. The wig would also be great. The prop market is out of control. I'm so fucked up in the head. Literally when you said that, I was thinking of like Terry-O-Gri-German. Yeah. What the fuck?

Coach Finns-knock, Mr. Miyagi, where best worst life lesson. I don't know. Check your roommates more carefully. Yeah. Pet-proof your apartment. Also, it's okay to live alone. How about that one?

It's okay to live alone. Make Sam pay for it for a couple months. Best double feature choice, fan. I went with the net. I don't know why. Go internet. Yeah, a little 90s internet. Wow.

Sandra Bullitt. A female in peril. Yeah, the whole deal. I went with the net. I like it. I did hand that rocks the cradle because it's the finals of the two dumbest characters from a 90s movie. That's a great one. Just ignoring mounting evidence that something sinister is happening.

I fucking forgot something. I got to ask you about it right now. I know we're getting to the end. This fucking character is crazy. You could put the hand that rocks the cradle breastfeeding situation in there as well. What is crazier? Coming down the stairs with the hair or the breastfeeding of the fucking kid. Okay, go ahead.

It's more what gets a more visceral reaction from your girlfriend or wife as they're watching this? The breastfeeding scene or the I'm walking down the stairs, I just took your hairdo. I think it's the hair. You think it's the hair more than the titty? Yeah. The hair is crazy. Boy, that scene used to drive them crazy. That got an actual gasp in the theater, which I remember when I saw him that rocks the cradle.

They're both bad. She brings the boob out. It's like, oh, no. Oh! By the way, I submit something, both the hand that rocks the cradle, but more specifically, single-white female, underrated date movie.

Oh, yeah. Something for everybody. Oh, you have that? Underrated date movies. Something for everybody. Yeah. All erotic thrillers are good date movies. What did you have for a double feature?

I was going to go with fatal attraction because of the bunny boil and balcony buddy, which is painful, but they are of a piece. Yeah. Tough. I just, even though we've already done our rewatchables, just watched it. weeks ago to get ready for From Hell Month.

Always appropriate. Extraordinary movie. Just incredible. Fail attraction? Yeah, it's great. Extraordinary. Great one. The courting scene is when it's like, oh, it's pouring rain. Let's get a drink. The best. It's the voicemail, the answer machine message for me. She is so. I will not be ignored.

I will not be ignored. She is so fucking. She's amazing in that movie. She's phenomenal. Who won the movie? Jennifer Jason Lee. Yeah. She's the most enduring character from the movie. I agree.

I don't know because part of who won the movie is who won it over the next few years, right? And this combined with singles is the Bridget Fonda moment. True. But I think Jennifer Jason Lee is the best person in the movie. I don't know. It's kind of both. They're both great. They're both great.

Craig, who won the movie? Probably Jennifer Jason Lee. Fonda's kind of a visionary, though. I'm going to remember her forever. Craig, you never saw this movie. No. What were your thoughts? Watched with Liz.

I found this movie to be refreshingly watchable. I thought it was going to be, like, from a violence and horror standpoint, relatively tame. I feel like nowadays, like the weed is just stronger now. Like movies like Obsession, which is like another kind of like sexual psycho thriller that's out right now. If that movie is super gory, it's just you can take a date to. to single white female and probably not have to get her consent first

because this movie might be fucking terrifying. A movie like obsession, you kind of just can't go to that movie. I'm saying like, you have to punch somebody on like obsession be like, yo, we're going to a date to this movie.

It might be fucking terrifying. This movie is like kind of right in that sweet spot where it's scary and creepy and weird but like it's still pulpy and it's more of just a fun conversation on the way home and you're not scared to go back to your apartment, which I liked. I will not be saying obsession.

Scared. Liz's main takeaway was that every woman in her life has come across a heady and it's whether or not you kind of can escape it or not. Just extricate yourself from the heady. So there was a situation in our crew one time where two guys wanted the same jacket. One of my friends had a jacket.

Yeah. And the other one of my friends wanted that same jacket. The only problem was that this jacket that my one friend had bought was at Wilson's The Leather Store in the Mall, Louisiana and Banroo. And the reason why he was able to afford the jacket is because his girlfriend,

future wife, worked at the store. So the only way my other friend could afford the jacket is that she gave him the discount. Well, my first homeboy, who was the owner of the jacket, didn't want him to have it. Of course.

Didn't want him to have the same jacket. So he told his girl, don't give him the discount. He then went behind his back to the girl directly and asked her for the discount and then tried to play with her brain a little bit to make her give up the discount. I remember when we were having this conversation as a crew,

I remember my homeboy being like, yo man, this is some single-white female type shit that you're all right now. And that's the only time I could ever think of anything like that happening amongst men because when you talk to ladies, always this bitch is trying to dress like me. She's trying to fuck my man.

She's trying to be me. She's trying to... All of this shit. I got to get the fuck away from this bitch. I've heard that so much. Also, we didn't talk about the single funniest scene in the movie, which was when Hedy goes down into the basement and quickly gets in the suitcase to see if a body should fit.

I was like, what is she? Is she hiding in the suitcase? More sloppy work from the person who left the bloody heels out. She's taller than you. Terrible. Also, Apex Mountain for Bob's, probably. Early 90s, right? You have Demi Moore Ghost.

You have this. You have Halliberry Boomer. That was a very popular haircut. Is it a Bob? Is it a Pixie? I think this is more pixie. It was coming out of the 80s because we had, remember we did Legend of Billy Jean? Yeah.

That was a different version of it was a little longer on the bottom. This was just more like kind of boy hair. I kind of have a great neck for that. There's just such great stickiness to these like early 90s movies because of the era you're in. Like the computers, everything, the way it feels, it's so memorable and specific. It's great. You watch the movie, you know exactly where you are. It's like, my double feature would be disclosure for the same reason.

Like the feeling of the tech in that movie, the office? That's a good picture. Yeah. That's so good. I really wish I could tell stories from the last three decades with my wife of different tiny single-wave female situations that popped up. It would easily be a divorce. It'd be a good podcast. She'd be so mad at me.

That would be epic. Who would want to be caring? I have so many things to say and I'm just not going to. But to me, the thing that always gets me about it is at first, I'm almost always dismissive of these stories. You come up to me, okay, somebody else is trying to be, because sometimes it's your girl telling it. Sometimes it's your girl's friend telling it. All right, she wanted to be like,

and then you sit down and you listen to the shit and you'd be like, no, she's fucking crazy for real. I feel like times have changed. I feel like in the 90s you gave people the benefit of the doubt. Now you don't. Didn't they like basically remake this with Leighton Meester, the roommate?

That was what? 2011? It wasn't a basically. They remade this. It was her and Minka Kelly. Right. And it was just a complete ripoff of it. Yeah.

But was missing the part where neither of them were gross and became like they were both. hot roommates that moved together. And they're redoing it now with Jenna Ortega, right? Well, that's an actual remake of this. Yeah. That's an interesting. Single female.

Single female. That's right. That's right. Took out the white. Of course. Woke mob. Woke mob taken over. I can't believe it.

Come on. We were past this. Anti-white racism. What the hell's going on? Single-wave female. What an amazing movie. Wait, what's next week? Are you going to announce?

I don't know what next week is, but if you go out, on Netflix, we got them to license a bunch of From Hell movies including I think the Good Sun is on there, single-white female hand that rocks the cradle, domestic disturbance, the funniest movie of the 2000s, the unintentionally

funniest. I can't wait for Craig to watch that one. It's really going to be special. I think Breakdown might be on there. I don't think they can get Pacific Heights, but there's a bunch of them. So we're trying this thing. We did it with the comedies, too. We're just trying to get them to license a bunch of them and bring down the car.

Breakdown is the most elevated one. Breakdown's good. Breakdown's a good movie. Yeah. But I think all of these, I'm just so happy they're in our lives. I'm happy you guys are in my life. What a treat.

Van. A lot of fun. Thanks, Craig. Thanks, Gahow. We'll see you next week on From Hell Week. From Hell Month. From Hell Summer. We know what it's going to be.