The Rewatchables - ‘Singles’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: September 13, 2022

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan were just nowhere near your neighborhood, so they decided to rewatch Cameron Crowe’s 1992 romantic comedy ‘Singles,’ starring Bridget Fonda, Campbell Scott, and Kyra Sedgwick. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So, there you go. Weeks. Cornflip. Coming up. This is hang time. Singles is next. What happens when the right person refuses to give in? Four days, he waits to call me.

Did I overreact? Do you know who this is? Now from the creator of Fast Times at Ridgemont High and Say Anything comes the comedy guide to survive being single. Hi, Sandy, just calling to you to make sure you're okay. She's okay. Bridget Fonda, Campbell Scott, Kira Sedgwick, and Matt Dillon. Singles, directed by Cameron Crow,

rated PG-13. Starts Friday, September 18th in the theater near you. All right, guys, singles. Camera Crow, 30 years ago. Last week, I love this movie. I love this movie. This is one of my favorite movies. It is my favorite flawed movie of all time, Chris Ryan. Sure. That's the

moniker I'm giving it. Favorite flawed movie that's ever been made. It's a pure rewatchable. It's like, it's on cable. It's like, oh, Allison Chains just got on stage. We got to, can you move the reservation to 715. The music's great. It's just the perfect time for this movie to come out.

Although we'll talk about it actually would have been better if it had been a little bit earlier. And Bridget Fonda Van throwing 107 miles an hour. Would it Sid Finch throw like 150? Bridget's like 107. Yeah, first team all white girl for me. At that point, she was so unbelievably adorable on top of her game. on top of her game, fresh-faced, charismatic.

And you know what's crazy? I saw this movie, this movie comes out like, I'm like 11 or 12, you know, but it hits cable. I'm maybe like, at 12, 13. There was so much stuff in the movie that I could not relate to. Like the longing, all the loneliness stuff, the, it didn't, but it still endured with me even to this point. And when I rewatched it for this,

it was so much more emotionally gutting. the movie dozens of times, but I haven't seen it, probably I haven't sat down to Washington, probably about 10 years. And now I understand what they were going through so much more. Oh, yeah. It's like the movie resonates so much better as a 42-year-old man, obviously, than it did as a preteen, you know? I think that one of the things I always used to throw me off about this movie is that they all look like they're 30, but are pretending to be like 23, 24, 25. and it really didn't hit me this movie really didn't hit me until I was 30

you know like it had like I loved it I loved the music I there were scenes that I adored when I first saw it in high school there were straight up things that happened in this movie where I'm like I don't understand I don't get it I don't get what happened here but you know like when you

when I watch it now this is kind of a weird thing to say I realize what a how deeply it imprinted on my brain at the time So like, I don't think I saw it in 92 per se. Like, because when I was in, I was like a freshman sophomore in high school around then. And my understanding of grunge in like the early part of high school was largely through MTV, you know, and through MTV news and like just like the biggest songs would get through. But as you start to like, as I started to like understand a little bit more about underground music, I think I kept watching and watching this movie over and over again.

But the stuff that really like resonates and hit me was just how different like. romantic relationships and dating were perceived in the early 90s compared to maybe now. Yeah, and it was interesting listening to them litigate some of that. Because I didn't know dating and where I'm from is very different. It's like, hey, Redbone, what's happening with you? It's either up or a down. That's essentially what Bailey's doing throughout this movie, though. Right.

It's like, I got 20 numbers. Right. And so it was very, very different for me. And as a kid, they're just, first of all, there's so many recognizable actors. Besides Campbell Scott, I think I was introduced to Campbell Scott and Kira Sedgwick. But, like, a lot of those other people, I kind of had seen them, either seen them.

Like Matt Dillon's around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that kind of ensemble, breaking the fourth wall, all of that stuff, it's the perfect movie to catch on cable and fall in love with. Right. The weird stuff about the garage door opener. All of those little things they get you when you're watching something on, like, on cable. But to your point, when I was a kid, the Steve don't come here part, like, I didn't get that.

I really didn't get it. I was like, why is he thinking about, he's having sex? Why is he thinking about Xavier and McDowder? I get it, you know what I mean? You know what I get it now? Like baseball or psychoppedias, whatever you got to do to stave it off. But, yeah, to me. of all of Cameron's movies,

maybe because I getting a nostalgia for it more than anybody else probably that does this show. Like if a movie was good when I saw it, it's good forever. No matter what. You know what I mean? Yeah. This still remains my favorite movie

by Cameron that he's ever done. It's obviously not the best. But it still remains my favorite film he's ever done. I still have almost famous over a But it's second. You have this over, Jerry McGuire?

Yeah, I do. I have a different relationship with it because I saw it. I was the same age of the characters or that they're supposed to be a movie. So you're like 23. Jay and it's 23. I saw it in Chest on Hill with my roommate Courtney. I just started grad school. And there wasn't stuff like this out there.

Like, real world hadn't really kind of evolved yet. This kind of genre of movie hadn't really happened yet. Like before Sunrise is still two years away, kicking and screaming, reality bites. They're all far away. So, you know, it's like six people in Seattle. I'd never been to Seattle. It's all the music we were listening to.

And that was the big draw. It's like, all right, the guy who did say anything, and there's some of the music we're listening to in this. So we had, you know, optimistic. MTV was promoting it. But we left the theater, and it was like, these are, I could have been in this movie. This is like, these are characters.

They're all the same stuff like we care about. Who would you have been? I was definitely Steve Because I even like You sure you're not Bailey No Steve or Bill you're sure you're not Bailey Steve had the thing where he was the DJ in college

And I was like the sports columnist in college So we had and it's kind of like After college your life might not turn out the way He thought it was going to in college So I had already had that in my head And Bridget Fonda's 23 in the movie I was about to turn 23 And I'm like

I just want to find Bridget Fonda Is she out there? I want to find Janet is Janet a real character that I can meet at a bar? And the whole concept of just like that that one part when Steve, after they kind of break up and he's just at the bar and he's by himself, that's like what the 90s were like, where you're just like, I don't know what to do. We didn't have the internet. You just kind of went out and you hoped you ran into people and had experiences. And if you didn't, it was really sad and lonely. And you left answering machine messages.

Yeah, you left answering machine. You made mixtapes. You brought people over to listen to your music. and there was a loneliness to it that I just don't think has been captured a lot of movies and it's captured in this movie really well. Yeah, I mean, also like the romantic gestures of the movie, like I remember Steve's phone call from the club when he's like, just had many beers.

And I want to be Mr. New to you. You belong with me. And what the fuck is that? What the fuck is that? I thought that was the most romantic thing I'd ever seen. And the second or first most, like the thing that I thought was romantic before that was Lloyd Dobler holding a boombox. Yeah, but think about how many bad decisions in real life happen based on the thing. The real life version of you belong to me is the girl going, you kind of freaked me out last night, I'm done.

Yeah. If you show up to somebody's house with a boom box. With a boom box. You're going to jail, my friend. Not only that, but you're about to get, you'll become a hashtag on Twitter. look at this creep outside of my window. That's gone. When Steve goes to her office and is like following her around and being like,

did I wait too long to call? Did he, you know, like, when he's, she's, you'll be here from, Steve is, he's going to be here in five minutes. You can't do that. Yeah. No, you shouldn't do that. Don't do that. But back to Crow, like, his, the reason his movies made so much sense in the late 80s

in the 90s all the way to almost famous. And then I think maybe, maybe he lost control of that narrative a little bit in the 2000s is. People really believed in the concept of love back then. And people were way more romantic back then. I do think the internet kind of changed some of that. Like some of this stuff would eventually start to feel corny once we got into the 2000s.

I have a questioner for you. Do you think it's because we were afraid of sex? That's a huge part of this movie is the fear of casual sex. It's lethal. Yeah. It was literally like we would get that drilled into us in high school. And I went to like a Quaker school. it wasn't like a Catholic school

where they were just like you'll go to hell they were just like you'll die you'll die or she'll get pregnant and you shouldn't. It was a big deal to have sex with somebody and be like you're the person I'm going to have sex with now

for the next couple months. This is, in my high school they were trying to make us afraid of sex. Yeah. Because it was so funny. It only makes you stronger. Yeah, like we,

like I remember when we be in the class you'd be like, yo, this is a picture of gonorrhea. I'd be like, come on man, that's not real, though. Yeah. There's no way. But still,

twice a year there'd be an extended absence from some girl and you'd be like, you know, where's she at? She shows up next year. You know what I mean? But I think

Cameron Crow had a way this decade, specifically, of throwing all of this stuff into people's lives, right? Throwing these characters, they got all of this stuff

in their lives and then watching the characters fall as puzzle pieces into one another. Like Jerry McGregor, There's all this stuff going on with her. You really never figure out where that kid's dad is. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, you don't know anything. And all this stuff is going on to Jerry McGuire. And as the movie kind of falls, they fall into each other. And that's the exact same thing that happens in this movie. Like, when it even starts off. It's a love puzzle. It's a love puzzle.

Like, when the movie starts off with that terrible, terrible gutting scene, that gutting kind of sequence of her being so. into this mysterious foreign guy. Oh, fucking psycho Luis. Yeah. And then Luis. And then Luis has no cut. Like Luis, like, absolutely, he looks at her.

I don't know, what the fuck you want me to say? You know, shit, you know? Like, he literally could have been like, bitches like shit. Like he was like, he was like, he was like, he, and then that's such a crazy place of chaos to start this movie. Such a crazy place. And then she falls into Steve. He has say anything, which is about Lloyd Dauber basically won't be denied.

He's in love with this person. He's going to convince it they're meant to be. He's got this movie where you have the Matt Dillon character and Bridget Fonda kind of circling each other the whole time. And then finally, he gets to where she needs him to be. And they have the same thing for Stephen Linda. Jerry McGuire, that's all about. Can Jerry realize that this person?

And meanwhile, the Tidwells have it. And then almost famous, it's Penny Lane in between these two guys. And she doesn't end up with either of them. But I always thought, like, love is the reason why. the Crow movies work. He just had a really good... And that in the female characters. He was always great at the female characters,

especially in this movie, the Carousedric character is great. She's damaged, but not too damaged. You feel like you have a feel for her. All her decisions make sense. And same thing with Janet, where, you know, even something like the boob job scene, which is...

I almost feel like they wouldn't have a scene like that now. But it makes sense. She's trying to appeal to this guy and can't figure out how to reach through him. Yeah. I think that the way that he writes people, it's kind of like what Van's saying, where you're like,

you really do get the feeling like their whole life is happening. It's just off-screen. And they feel fully formed in a lot of ways. It doesn't feel... It doesn't feel like they have, like... And maybe this is what happened when the internet really took over,

even like, our social lives, and you just sort of start identifying yourself by these three or four, like, I'm Van, these are the things I'm into. You know what I mean? I'm Chris. And these are the five. things I'm into. Like you remember writing MySpace profiles and just being like likes, you know,

like my interests. And that wasn't, there's something about these people where it's like, I don't know, Steve's kind of a square. But he's also a cool like ex-Dj with a great record collection. But he's got like a pretty normal haircut. He's not like Cliff. And you just start to like build these people where like that seems like a real guy. Janet seems I knew Janet's like a real person. And they seem confident who they are. Yeah. And that's the thing that kind of when you meet someone, in a movie and there's obviously something missing from them. You're waiting for another character

to come in and fill in what's missing from them, right? And you can see that early on, especially in the first act of a movie. This film is these people convincing us that they are completely comfortable with who they are. Like she goes, after the thing with Luis,

she goes to buy another garage door opener and she goes, I'm not going to lose it again. Yeah, just give me the best one. Just give me the best one. You've got, like, I'm not going to lose it again. It's not going to happen again, right? And with Steve, Steve goes through a whole, remember the whole little thing that he goes through, like talking about the fact he's just going to be into work. He's also been cheating on the girls that he's been seeing very cleverly drops that in, you know what I mean? Yeah. He knows the entire social scene. He knows everything that's going on. He's not looking for anyone. She's not looking for

anyone. What happens when they meet each other? And that's everyone. Janet is sure that what she should be doing is over pursuing Cliff. Yeah. Even when Cliff tells her, hey, you know what? Yeah, we barely even know what Janet wants to do for a living. Yeah. I don't even know what her. I think, sure.

I think being with Cliff is the, when she's like at 23, it's my last chance to do something weird. Yeah. At 26, it seems, doing something weird is just like. You know what the other show was? This is incredible that I'm going to say this. But the, because you had the real world, which is like a bunch of people thrown together. So that's starting right around out.

Melrose place. I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that too. The first season of Melrose Place comes out in September 92 and singles comes out in September 92 and there's a lot of parallels because it's the same thing. Crow said, like the reason he wrote this movie, he said it was a chance to show what it's like

when you have a city that you love and a group of friends who have become your family. There's a sense of family that disparate single people bring to each other being in a city that they didn't want to leave, which was weirdly also the premise of Melrose Place where you're thrown together with these people, they become your friends

for life, and odds are, five years later, you're only going to know like two of them. But in the moment, it feels like these are, this is my people, we're going to spend Thanksgiving together and Christmas and, oh, you're upset, come to my apartment at three in the morning, and then six years later, Cliff's not going to know Steve

when they're 28, or 30, however, it's six years later. But this was a really cool era. Before sunrise was another one, kicking and screaming these movies where it's like... Friend starts two years later. Wow. And we'll We'll talk about this movie's relationship with friends because I have some hot takes.

But, yeah, I feel like the 80s were about high school movies and high school experiences. And then all of a sudden in the 90s, it shifted to people in their 20s. And that's what it was for like four or five years, right? And then I don't know what happened after that. Well, I mean, I think everybody kind of grew up and they yuppied out. You know, I mean, even the, even Cameron's movies, right? The next film we have is Jerry McGuire. That's a different character than these characters.

It's a professional guy, a woman has a kid. It's a grown-up movie. It's a, I'm at a crossroads in my life type of movie. And we started to see a lot more of those after, right? Like, I'm at a crossroads in my life. This is, I'm Steve after the super train has been built. Yeah. And now I think that I know what I'm supposed to be doing and I don't.

Who's going to remind me of who I used to be? You know what I mean? and movies changed in that way. Because even, because I want to make sure there's some black people get in it. Because even, because all through those movies also, all three of those shows, it's just the way it was. Yeah.

And then, so we had, for us, that was Living Single. Like, Living Single was, like, for, living single was, okay, when I'm an adult, a young adult, I want to be them. Yeah. I want to all be, don't get me wrong. We felt the same way. I never watched one episode of Friends,

but singles really resonated with me for some reason. I don't know why it did. But everybody, thought that's what they wanted to be. And then, you know, you grew up. And things changed a little bit. And now it was about figuring out the world. And the real world was a part of that too.

Yeah. But you know what? You can't underestimate. And we'll get to this probably in depth in a little bit. Is that even if parts of this movie have aged, at least to me, the music has not. So it winds up being. I think the music has gained strength. It winds up being like inadvertently this insane snapshot of three or four.

of the biggest bands in the last 34 years. It ended up being what he wanted, but when the movie was released, he felt like he failed. Yeah. And you think like, I mean,

there's all this stuff for this. Crow said he saw Pulp Fiction. This is what he said after. He said there was some casting issues with singles, some screenwriting problems that never quite solved. Pulp Fiction solved the Vignettes

issue in a way that made my jaw drop. I thought, fuck. The vignettes part, yeah. The vignettes. He had it. Yeah.

But he never kind of figured out how to put them all together. This movie was... No, I always thought... It was tested. They changed. They had to reshoot stuff. It was filmed in March, April, 1991. It didn't come out for 18 months.

Yeah. And he just couldn't quite... He has a really good... Did you read the Rolling Stone thing he did? Mm-hmm. Where he does, like, notes, the journal from the thing. And you can see, he's like, I know what this is. I can't quite get there.

And I do feel like 30 years later, it kind of got there. He kind of brings... Like, one of the characters, I think Linda says she was looking for, like, holding Caulfield, and she has Frannie and Zui, which is these Salinger short stories on her nightstand. It is kind of like basically a collection of short stories. It's not as a movie itself, when you get to like Debbie parts of this movie, you're like, this seems kind of like not in the movie, sort of, but it all fits together, you know. Poor Bailey never got a vignette.

Bailey got nothing. The only thing on the rewatch style is like, I'm not quite as, you have that great scene with Peter Horton where they're negotiating his. which my father used to love. You've made popcorn with half this city. With half this city. And even like little weird things that the basis

of the movie is, I'm forgetting Kira Sedgwick's character's name. Linda. Linda, the basis of the movie, what grounds the movie, is that love story, right? Everything else kind of exists in orbit around that. But I gotta be honest with you. I was so invested into these two people's love

and have been for a long, long time. And it was even more so now. Because they kept orbiting around each other and I kept looking at them like, these are the stupid mistakes that people make in real life. Dude, just call her. Hey, just tell them what you're feeling. As an emotionally mature person,

you want these people to... You don't think that way when you're in your early 20s. You don't. Yeah. You think that the world that the, that the existence of everything hinges on you protecting who you are. Like, you don't want to extend yourself too much. Now you get to a point in life where you're looking at yourself.

Like, you know, life's too short, man. Hey, call you up. Hey, man, you hurt me. Let's have a 15-minute conversation about it and figure it out. So I don't have to carry any type of a burden. So I think that because of that, some of the, like, the weaker points of the movie, they really still. It's fine.

Yeah, it's fine. It works. Well, it's really, it plays out like an album, right, where the Stephen Linder are probably the best songs in the album and the other stuff are the other songs

that get the album the 12 songs and I was delighted by the music I haven't listened to some of that stuff let's talk about that so long man

holy fucking shit and you know this was the this was the selling point of the movie it was Cameron Crow and the music

and now 30 years later like when Alice and Chains comes in Jesus bro man lane it's just every time I've seen

this movie 50 times. Every time I'm like, oh my God. They're right there. And they're filming it and everything feels so authentic. And I mean, one of the flaws with this movie, I almost wish they had leaned in that a tiny bit more. Well. Like, I would have not spent the five minutes with the garage door opener and maybe like

three more minutes with SoundGuard. I don't know. No, I totally understand what you're saying. It's like the DAC gets into sort of the genesis of the movie, right? Because it was sort of a movie that he had. had written anyway, and it was set in Arizona. Yeah, so he wrote it in 1984, and it was supposed to be people set in Phoenix. Yeah, and then when Andrew Wood died from Mother Lovebone, that's, and he saw the outpouring

of the city for Andrew Wood, he was like, I'll take that script and flips it. He's in there, I mean, you think like one of the, I think one of the better kind of filmmakers we probably had from that late 80s through 2000 stretch, and he's. He's just randomly, he's a music guy with this Rolling Stone, writing for Rolling Stone when he was 16. And he's randomly in Seattle as this thing's taking off that's about to shape like an entire generation. He sees it and he writes a movie and they're filming it before it's taken off. Like Pearl Jam 10 was released in August 91, Nevermind was released September 91, and Bad Motor Figure was October 91. They were filming this movie in March and April.

Pearl Jam was Mukie Blaylock when they're filming their scene. They hadn't even changed their name to Pearl Jam. Anyway, I interrupted. No, you didn't. I mean, I was just saying that, like, there is sometimes you can watch this and feel like this movie could have happened almost anywhere, but he tacked it into Seattle so that he could get this music being a huge part of it. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Don't you feel like it has to be Seattle though? Well, now, yeah. I mean, looking back and also, thank God that happened. Because we get to see Alice and Chains play, like, actually live. Like, they're not even on, they're not playing a playback. They're playing live on stage there. Crow said one of the things that really inspired the movie was he saw,

this is him, Stone Gossert and Jeff, Jeff, I meant tight friends working together at a coffee shop during the day, playing music and going to shows at night, a committed, naturally generous lifestyle. That moment when you're a little bit of a team out in the world together, you're starting to get your first house. Chris Cornell was working at Ray's Boat House, wearing an apron, and working in the kitchen, and doing Soundgarden. Yeah.

So that ends up inspiring the Citizen Dick character. Matt Dillon's character. You know, like when we were growing up, I think Boston had that feel as well. Yeah, no question. But with probably less prominence and success for the most part. But like that was like a similar thing where it's like a band would play in front of 300 people,

but then you would see the guy making burritos the next day. The music was so, you could almost feel grunge. It was palpable. It was, there were so many bands that were coming out. There was a very distinct sound. and it represented, like, in my life, a contrast to some of the other stuff that I was listening to. You know, like, go to school, you're singing Hunger Strike.

The kids are like, what the hell is going on with you, man? You know what I mean? Like, you're, like, and so, like, really, that was the reason, that was another reason why, like, you wanted to watch the movie. Now, I haven't listened to something at music in so long. It's hard to think of another film. I was trying to think of it that's a snapshot of a musical time in that same way. I mean, dazed is like that,

but it dazed is almost step backwards and it's like so curated but with the Saturday fever is the only one but even then disco had been around for seven years

at that point yeah and so it was kind of disco was dying and then it revived it this case like I mean this is my senior year in college fall 91

spring 92 and fall 91 was when all that stuff was coming out and it was starting to really happen and the irony or grunge

was that it was never supposed to be super popular right I mean this is why Nirvana refused to be in the movie they're like

fuck this We're not going to be in your love story. But it's such a shame that this movie didn't come out in spring in 92 because it would have been ahead of the curve. It wouldn't have felt like part of the criticism of it was you're just, this is a reaction to what happened last year. Meanwhile, he'd already fucking filled it and finished it. I think if it had come out in like February or March 92,

right as that music was taken, it just would have been incredible time. I think it would have been a bigger movie. Crow said at one point he was in his journal that tonight we go to see Muky Blaylock

and Allison Chains performing at the off ramp the singles cast meets for the first time in the lobby of our hotel for a few minutes nobody says much we go to the club

at sweaty and packed and the cast slowly makes friends as we sit in a corner booth so they're filming this movie in Pearl Jim's not even Pearl Jam yet it's just incredible we're going to take a quick break and then I want to talk about the soundtrack

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Call 1-800-545-99-9 or visit zepbounds.lily.com. All right, so they do something smart after they delay their release. They release the soundtrack early. They release the soundtrack June 30th, 1992. Comes a bestseller. It has Alice of Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, two Paul Westerberg songs, screaming trees, smashing pumpkins, who people barely knew, even though it was.

to put out Gish. And then a Chris Cornell solo song, including Drown is on this from Pumpkins. All the songs are lights out. And I think it's the greatest soundtrack of all time. It's also worth mentioning that this was still a time where when bands would do soundtracks, they would be like, yeah, here's this song.

And so Pearl Jam is just like, yeah, here's state of love and trust. Right. That's not on. That's not on. Yeah. So if you love Pearl Jam, you had to get this entire single soundtrack

because there was this Pearl Jam's song that you like. And same thing for if you like Paul Westerberg. It's like, all right, I guess I got. And it was just, it was probably the best 15 bucks I spent maybe in the 90s. This is a great soundtrack era. It's just like between this. Don't you feel like this kicked it off though?

The singles and above the rim a couple years later. Pulp Fiction is like, I remember watching Pulp Fiction and being like, I can't wait to go to Tower Records and get the soundtrack. But that was two years after this. Oh, it was. Yeah. So when did the bodyguard come out? Oh, we did that for rewitual.

watchable. Is that 91? Oh, yeah, so maybe the bodyguard starts it. Because the bodyguard soundtrack was literally like the biggest album of the year. Right, right. So the bodyguard and then the soundtrack era, it lasts maybe a decade, maybe it ends with that boys too. I remember the movie Go?

I did a point where the soundtrack became part of how you figured out the movie. Right. We got to get the soundtrack, who we getting, who's going to be in it. Yeah, it just goes away. Another thing that just kind of... I mean, I remember really playing the shit out of White Man Can't Jump and Juice soundtracks. White Man Can't Jump Juice above the rim.

Oh, my God. Even moving on into the Half Plenty soundtrack when it was still like... Like, those soundtracks were big. Even for movies that didn't do anything, the ride soundtrack. Yeah. Like, it just, you always had to... You had to have...

It was such a big part of a movie's promotional push. Remember the Rush soundtrack? Maybe a rush, like Jason Patrick and Jason Patrick. Yeah, that had some clapped on it. That had tears of heaven. Yeah, yeah. You're right, though. This might be it.

Because I was thinking in my head, I just remember, like, when cool in the gang comes on and Pulp Fiction, I'm like, I got to get the CD, like, as soon as this movie. Yeah, most of the songs we kind of knew. I mean, there were a couple of covers. This is like... This was... I mean, when you think, like, State of Love and Trust, I think the first Pearl Jam song they ever, like, started.

and finish together. But I think like a top 12 Pearl Jam song that's on that Drown from Pumpkins I think is in top five for me.

Probably the most popular screaming tree song. Yeah. The two Westerberg songs are his two most, I think most famous solo songs.

Oh, solo ones, yeah. Cornell's got that that darn, dangar down,

like that's fucking awesome. And then sound got to Allison Chainsdron 700 miles an hour. It's out of control. The best part is when you read

where it's like, Chris Cornell recommends the Smasher Pumpkins to Cameron Crow. He's like, cool. So he reaches out to Billy Corrigan, hey, do you have any songs for my movie? He's like, here's three. And one of them's drowned. Which is like one of the best kind of mood

setting a scene for us. It's just out of control. And it became a huge part of this movie. I think for the rest of the 90s. It's also just like the music that's in the movie but isn't like you don't really think of on the soundtrack like Hendricks and Sly and like the stuff that they're listening to on records and shit like that. Oh yeah. But

the part that Craig's generation doesn't understand and I'm not saying it's a good thing or bad thing but like so much of these things where these decisions

you made with CDs or if you made mixtapes was about if I'm in the car how can I make it as easy as possible for me? Right? You put it a mixtape

or it's like I have a CD changer I can put singles in that's 50 minutes and I'm super happy for the whole 50 minutes like I could drive from Holy Cross

to Boston and listen to this entire soundtrack. And it was just such an important CD. Bridget Fonda puts out single-wave female a month before this movie. And after this movie, it was just like she's going to be one of the biggest stars.

The IMDB gets weird. She does bodies rest in motion. You like that movie. I love that movie. Point of No Return, which was a remake. I put Bridget Fonda's 90s up against Tom Hanks. culminating with Melanie and Jackie Brown. Yeah.

Melanie and Jackie Brown. Melanie and Jackie Brown. Well, that was her kind of comeback, though, because it never totally happened. And then Tarantino's like, wait, this should happen with this person. Melanie and Jackie Brown, I would incur cultural slander for it. Like, I'll take her to the NAACCP Awards. I'll be honest with you. She was so, I was like, yo, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, yo, I'm like,

It's like 97, 98. I'm like, she is so fucking hot in that movie and just annoying. Yeah. And just a weird Beach Bunny chick. She was so destined for a Tarantino movie. Yeah. It was just like her whole career was leading up to it. Don't you think she could have played Uma Thurman's character in Pulp Fiction as a backup?

Not quite glamorous enough. You don't think so? I think she could have done it. I think she has this very accessible beauty. Yeah. And I think that that character had to seem like she would. was from another planet. Like, so she...

Did she see single-wave female? Was she not good-looking enough? No, no, no, no. I'm not saying she... Yeah. There's a... To me, her... She's incredibly beautiful,

but in this really, like, Americana kind of way, like you... She's charming and stuff. That character had to seem like she dropped off from Mars or something like that. What was that character's name?

Who? Umma. Umma and Pope fiction. Mia. Mia Wamas. She had to seem like, you know, to me, at least.

Well, Chris loved her in. Godfather, three. Do you want to do this? International. International. But she never, it was kind of waiting for the breakout. She had the Fonda bloodline. Yeah.

And I remember, I had my scouts and her, you know, going to her throwing sessions for like four years waiting. And then finally, all of a sudden it's like, Bridges throw 99 now. Oh, really? Yeah. And single-wife females built around it. 9 million dollar budget for this movie,

made 18 million. our guy Roger Ebert, three stars. He said, I found myself smiling a lot during the movie, sometimes with amusement, sometimes with recognition. It's easy to like these characters and care about them. More importantly, I have Seattle's review of this movie from The Stranger. Oh, my God. They hated it, right?

This is what they said about Crow. He's relying on the general hypnotist of our little burg and on the star power of a few local musicians bid actors to make a bundle of dough. And he hasn't bothered to back them up with anything worth remembering. This is your pleasant is about the only word I can think of to describe this thing. You think that this is like Troy from Reality Bites writing this review? It's a fucking classic.

I love that they thought he sold out. It's like a fucking love letter to the city and that whole musical scene. It is literally like introducing the rest of America to what's going on in Seattle in the most absolutely amazing way that you can do it. Also like, I'm living in Boston. How the fuck am I going to know what it's like to see Alice and Chains in Seattle? I mean, to be honest, I was like that, just that one scene, I was like, oh, my God. And to be real with you, the film in that way is almost like buying a ticket to those shows. Yeah.

I was too young to see any of those bands. Yeah. I never got a chance to see Lang with a shirt off wailing up there. I never got a chance to see Chris. I never got to see Jerry Cantwell wearing Long John's underneath denim cutoffs with a with a thermal top tied around his waist. That whole deal, I never got, but like seeing them jam in those. It was almost like it was a concert film in a way because you saw three or four different bands playing in that movie.

Well, the bummer was Pearl Jam because they're actually in the movie. Yeah. You didn't get to see them. We didn't get to them perform. And we should mention that before we get to the categories. Pearl Jam's in the fucking movie. Eddie Vedder, Stone Gasser, Jeff A. They're all in there and they have pivotal scenes.

They're really funny. Eddie Vedder looks like he's 11 years old. Yeah. And he's got screen charisma. Like, he's good. They're good. Like they don't feel like they're, Van, a compliment for you

a compliment for us This negativity just makes me stronger I just say I want to hear anything negative And then they go through the whole Fucking article Plus he writes the review And they're ably backed by Jeff Stone and Getty I mean that's good

That's good that's positive Most rewatchable scene I tried to limit these When we meet Janet For the first time And she's talking about how much she loves Cliff, and then it cuts to Cliff and he's playing the guitar on Jimmy Hendrix

is great, which is hilarious. We get to touch me on Dick, and then they do the Janet. You know I see other people, right? Look, Janet, you know I see other people still, right? You do know that, don't you? You don't fool me. John. Hey, Cliff, you got to move your truck, man.

Which was a big part of the trailer, if you maybe you don't remember. But I love that whole part. You don't fool me. You don't fool me. He's like, I couldn't be fooling you. Chris, do you want to talk about the mime scene leading into Allison Chains? Is this the greatest moment of your life or like the seventh greatest moment?

Stolt is an unbelievable. Dionne here. I'll tell you about love. Love disappears, baby. Every time I've been broke, baby's been off like a prom dress. Maybe it's the girls you choose. Hey, maybe I've been hurt. Maybe I've been dog.

Does anybody know where this place is? Hey, what do I look like? It, Thomas Brothers Guide? You know, you really shouldn't speak. Yes. Hey, where do you guys work? I'm a matri-D. The Department of Transportation.

He's working on a gridlock problem. Thank God, I build airplanes. Woo, whoa, whoa. Let me tell you about love. It disappears, man. And then we get Allison Chains, and then we get, it's a great moment when he sees Linda, the Caracetra character,

and they cut him, and he's just love-struck. I actually think it's probably his best acting. He has that Michael Corleone sees Apollonia for the first time look, where he's just like, oh my God. And the interesting thing about the movie is he had just told us that wasn't going to happen. Right.

And I love that. He had just said, I'm over that. And he goes to the club, and he, and I love how, like, he goes right over there, right away. Doesn't go right. Nothing goes right for these white people. Until they decide at the end of the movie that they're just going to fall into each other.

And get divorced 11 years later. Yeah, probably so. But that scene, he just can't help himself. It happens right away. So anyway, I saw you standing there. So I thought, A, I could just leave you alone, B, I could come up with an actor C, I could just be myself. I chose C.

What do you think? I think that A, you haven't had. And that B, not having an act is your act. Can I just mention one... Not having an act is your act, Chris. I was going to say that line. I think that A, not having an act is your act. That was such a tough shutdown.

Here's a really weird thing that was going on in the early 90s. Yeah. This movie, a few good men, and in the line of fire, all have crucial scenes that take place at magazine stands. What did we lose by losing magazine stands? A few good men, the magazine stand. was one of the biggest parts of the movie. He's got the banter with Luther and that's when Markinson jumps in his car.

And it'll live in the line of fire. That's what he figures out that John Malcovic is a model car builder. What was the last stand of the magazine stand? I don't know, but I like... It's in large spot. In my neighborhood. In college and through the beginning of my life in New York City, when we didn't have cell phones, it would just be like, just meet me at Barnes & Noble sometime between four and five.

all be in the magazine section. Yeah. And it would just be like, that was just be like, that was the homing beacon. Like no magazine stands in Baton Rouge, that was the symbol, that was a symbol of a big metropolis.

Yeah. So I just want to stand in a place where there are all of these magazines and then at the end, they got nudie magazine. Well, that was always the special section. Yeah. Yeah, we,

there was a great one in Harvard Square in Cambridge that was just, it was this never-ending, newsstand that I was thought was I would just go there for two, three hours and just read shit. Different era. I had an Apex Mountain newsstands. Great.

Was this really it? We'll cover it in a second. The first date, I have as a rewatchable scene. We get Steve's room. We get to see all the stuff on the wall. That's the best. How about the long X-Man poster, which I had? The, uh, that we get to see all his albums.

He gets to explain the super train. And they, and they wonder why there's gridlock, right? But this is what I've been working on. If you had a train, right, a super train, you give the people a good reason to get out of their cars. You give them great coffee, great music. They will park and ride. I know they will. I still love my car, though.

Yeah. Which is so early 90s, this is like this grand idea that's clearly not going to work. Wait for my Stephen A. Smith on Super Train. The Super Train, which, by the way, almost everyone who he cares about shuts down. She basically tells him right there Your train's not going to work Yeah, people like the cars Too much

Yeah We get the Andy flashback Where we get the concept of sensitive ponytail guy Oh my God You know, it's okay to load these people Really? There's so much life in you

And so much Emotional larceny in these others Which basically was in my life from that point out. We get the, why don't you park underground, the call back to the beginning, and then him showing back up,

that was nowhere near your neighborhood, and then the most important cameo, maybe at the night is the X-Man. Xavier McDaniel. I just go out and just play basketball, good hard-knows basketball. Things happen throughout the course of the game. It's nothing you can do.

I don't go out to look to say, I'm going to beat this guy up or beat that guy up. Anything else, X? Yes. Steve don't come. I can't tell you I was predisposed to absolutely loving this movie in the theater

I'd know it was going to happen I was enjoying myself Amundely I would already like I would have given more money if the usher had come around and said we're gonna need more money for you to watch rest of the movie

and be like here here's my wallet and the fucking X-Man shows up that's a good category oh my God is at what point in the movie would you have paid more money for the movie to go

right here I just would give them my wallet Steve don't come yet the X-Man I just couldn't believe it. I felt like all my world, anything I cared about in life was colliding at the same time. If there was ever a player who would do that, can you imagine, like, I guess I can

imagine, like, DeAndre Jordan doing that maybe, but, like, can you imagine, like, Steph doing this? Oh, my God. Well, it speaks to how this movie was kind of dating. Steph would probably tell you, go ahead and come, it's okay. Like, Steph wouldn't tell you, Steph would be like, hey, man, go ahead and come, it's okay, it's time. This is

a good unanswerable question. What NBA player would be the Steve don't come yet in 2022. That's a great question. I worry it would end up being like Patrick Beverly and it wouldn't have the same impact. It was so perfect that it was Xavier McDaniel.

It's also you got to think it's like Steve is imagining this, right? Who would I want to see tell me not to come yet? Who would you want to see to tell you? I guess it would depend on the city, right? Because he identifies. Yeah. So I would probably be like...

So let's say it's Philly. Yeah. And I had Tobias Harris. It's just don't go. Batiste eyeball. Right, right. You know, for me, obviously, it will be Kobe. Whatever Kobe told me to do.

No matter what. Whatever Kobe told me to do. Van, you, Mama mentality, don't nut. That's what he would say. Mama mentality, don't nut. Stay locked in. Who would yours be Danilo? Well, he's not a treatment of our...

It would actually be Grant Williams, because Grant Williams is so annoying on the court. It would actually make me hold off. Right. Next one's a short scene, but casual sex doesn't exist anymore. It's lethal. And everybody turns out of me. Debbie and Cliff.

How about this? Cliff looks like he's going to the clinic. Yeah. After she says that. That whole scene, though, they're in the Java stop. Yeah. They're bullshitting with each other. This is the blueprint for friends.

Yeah. The friends people should send Cameron Crow like $700 million. We'll get to that. Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah. But that's like, if you watch that scene only, it becomes friends. Right.

That was the whole friends they're just in a coffee shop shooting shit about exactly like that. Even they're dating each other. One had dated somebody else. There's a love story between the neighbors, the whole nine. Complete rip-up.

Next one's also a short one. Eddie Vedder reads the Citizen Dick Review. Oh my God. We will not retreat. This band is unstoppable. We rock Portland. It's the greatest 90 seconds. Here's what the review says,

the first paragraph. Once again, when the shirtless Cliff Ponce begins singing, you know what you're in for. More pompous dick swinging swill from a man who has haunted the seed for much too long. You wish that Cliff would move to another town like Minneapolis or Los Angeles or New York, a town where he could disappear into the masses and not stand out like the relentlessly mediocre talent that he is.

Nuts. Amazing. Alternative Weekly is used to just take no prisoners when they would rate reviews. By the way, I wonder what happens to Cliff because he's obviously holding them back. Oh, this band becomes Pearl Jam, man. He's like working at the Java stop. The sequel is called Pearl Jam. Yeah.

Pivency in another quickie. You know how much homework I miss because of you? I love your radio show. That was the best. Thanks, man. You know what? We're throwing down tonight over in Aloha Street. Yeah, we've got too bad.

It's going to be insane. Would you get up and do a little wheels of steel? Oh, no, no, no. Are you sure? Yeah. You're the only man I know who can mix up Elvis Costello and Public Enemy. What's so funny about peace, peace, peace, peace. Love and under.

Peace, peace, peace. Death row, what does a brother? Understand peace. Peace. Peace. Understand peace. Peace. Wow.

We're throwing down over on Aloha. You're the only man I know who could mix Elvis Costello in public. Peace, peace, peace. In 1992, it was like, just everything about that was realistic. He's in it for a minute. He was in Say Anything. Yes. And this was still a point of Jeremy Pivens crew.

We were like, I love that guy. Yeah. There was no baggage. There was still a deal to even. He was the I love that guy guy. Yeah. All the way up until either Ellen or like maybe up until Ari Gold to where he was just he just popped up everywhere. What was the movie he had?

PCU. PCU. Yeah. I feel like he carried it through Antirash. Like until people's like a different type of dude. Yeah. And Autaraj, he won like three Emmys. He was a Hollywood.

But I'm saying like when he, when that show launched, I was like, oh, cool, Pivens in it. When it launched, he was unrecognizable though. Yeah. Well, because he had the, he'd be. Because the hair had come, but also he had slimmed way down. I'm like he's doing something totally different. I have Debbie's date as a rewatchable. I just, it's so early 90s.

Everything about it, fucking directed by Tim Burton. The Tim Burton part is just amazing. It's just so funny. He's the next Martin Scorsese. Yeah, everything about it's hilarious. Depressed Steve, walking by the mime, love disappears, right into Soundgarden. and then the phone booth

I think is really good I love stuff about that I'm not quite sure why he lost his job I know this goes into my super train situation Oh this goes to say that All right yeah And then last one I have is Steve's life goes in the shitter

And Janet comes to visit him You know in a parallel universe We're probably a scorching couple But in this one Neighbors And we go right into the smash of pumpkins drown. And meanwhile, this is really a movie about that Steve and Janet should have ended up together, Van. Yeah.

They were the couple that we should have had. So here, does anybody here disagree with that? Yeah. This is a movie that Steve and Janet were, and maybe that's the hidden part of this movie. I'll tell you what. You should end up with. You go first. So by this point in this film, Janet's carrying the movie.

Yeah. By this point in the film. She does the narrate. She's doing the talking to the cameras. Right. Which at this point in the film, she's the only one that's confident. Like she has gone through.

Her and Steve are different trajectories. So when she comes in there, she brings this weird presence and calming sort of nature. It's like, hey, I went through this whole thing. I came out on the end of it. You'll be fine. And you're thinking, damn, he needs her.

Like, you're thinking he needs her like right now. Because the only unattractive thing about her before in the movie was that she was fond of her. over this guy who didn't give a shit about it. Now she's gotten past that and she's like the one and you're thinking

dog and when I, back in the day I thought that that's what was going to happen. But you know, oh, you were going to say, Chris? No, I was just going to say the directors, there's somewhere there is a director's cut where like Janet and Steve make out and Linda never comes over because in

this movie a bunch of the foundational moments between Steve and Linda are silent. Like, you see them kissing in the rain and talking really intensely, but we never really hear what they're talking about. And I secretly feel like Cameron Crow knew that, like, Campbell Scott and Bridget Fonda had more chemistry than Campbell Scott and Carousedge. And that was like, you can't have them talking because you might be like, I don't seem

that into each other or whatever. But, like, when you watch Campbell Scott and Bridget Fond, you're like, oh, my God. And they are orbiting each other. Yeah. Earlier in the movie, he actually... He takes her to her breast implant surgery, yeah. But she says they dated and they didn't work out. And then he got his friends.

At first, he said, that's the thing of the movie. At first, he says to her, like, we're better as friends and you know it. He doesn't want her. And at the end, he kisses her. So there's something pulling them together. You know what I mean? Yeah. Maybe second wife.

What do you have for most rewatchable? For me? Yeah. The breast implant scene. I knew that some of the greatest hits were going to, you were going to. That's your favorite scene. Is her in Pullman? That is amazing.

I should have put that in. Pullman's great in that. Guys, I love Pullman. I also have a picking nits about that that we'll get to, but I love Pullman. Pullman just shows up in this movie. Pullman's in this movie. Fucking Pullman. Fucking Lone Star.

The president. Lone Star. He's in this movie just out of nowhere. I just like the fact that it took somebody not wanting to manipulate her body for her to understand her worth. And he is so charming and sincere. And like when I was looking at that scene, that scene really, really got to me. It's like a really...

And she could have ended up. him too. Could it end up with him. Cliff was like at least the third choice for her in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's, that to me is the most adorable scene in the entire movie to me.

People end up with the wrong people. I mean, not everyone has what Craig and Liz's at where it's just you meet your soulmate at work and then that's it. You're just going to end up together. For a lot of other people, it's hard. And also the what took you so long joint. And the only reason why I say that is because it's good.

I just love. He basically remixed that. He's the goate like the last thing Yeah The home run line That comes back with You Complete Me

Yeah Yeah And you have me at Hello It's basically the same scene That that scene is remakes I just I love you when he does that Which are most

Reachable? Can I get the whole Allison Chain sequence That includes You can get the mime scene And also Yeah you can I think that A

You don't You have an act And B That's mine as well You gotta get the mime The car ride Leading in Allison Chains It's just the best

what's age the best the soundtrack we mentioned the coffee place Java stop not positive I've seen a coffee place in a movie before this or a TV show

it's very possible that this captured the coffee like the specific coffee shop just the concept of young people working at a coffee place and people hanging out there it's also very Seattle so it was apt

right yeah so I think this might have Is there a coffee shop and slacker I can't remember I don't know. We have to investigate. Is there a coffee shop in Action Jackson? I can't remember.

Action Jackson? It's a joke. Do you consider... Paul Weathers' movie. I love Action Jackson. It's not every watch was left. I was trying to that you got me thinking. No, it's not a coffee.

He's jumping over cars in the movie. That's a great movie. She's detoxing from heroin in the movie. There's no. Do you consider where James Conn and Tuesday Weld hang out in Thief a coffee shop? That's a diner. We moved from diners to coffee shops. Because people had, because a lot of the coffee scenes in movies prior to this is in diners.

I will say, so I was always big on the coffee and even in college. And I used to go and I used to go to Dunkin' Donuts and I would write out my columns. And people thought that was weird that I went to a coffee place, got coffee, and worked there. And that was like 1990. If you could have bought stock in that idea. I just thought I thought I was weird. I was like, I don't know why I like this. And then all of a sudden something shifted by like the mid-90s.

The album title cards are really good I have all of them for you Have Fun Stay Single The Hourglass Syndrome Blues for a T-shirt Blue Seattle Expect the Best The Theory of Eternal Dating

And what took you so long It's kind of like a mixtape A little bit Yeah I love the she opened My car door button I had the same thing I always liked when girls

leaned over and opened the car That that was like Such a cool little touch It always like was a window And if somebody's soul If they did that That had a era That whole concept

Well, now you can't open the car door. Now it just clicks open. But that same thing was in... Bronx Tale. Bronx Tale. You know what I mean? Like, they've done that a couple of times, and that's like the... Dead on.

We reduce women to opening your car door. No, it's just a respectful thing that's gone because now we have unlock and lock with cars. The poster for this movie is fantastic. It's just really good. I think it's one of the better posters from that area. It's the same as the... It's a framer. Right.

The whole tinnitus club disease. where they can't hear and the newsstand guy's like, you're all going to be deaf. He was right. Yeah, he was right. Good call. 1990, Seattle,

not only they have this music scene, but you have Sean Kemp and the Sonics and just, wow. Right. Would this be a top three location that if you could time machine yourself as a 22-year-old? Would you go there, like 1991

and just Chris Ryan shows up in Seattle, age 22? Gets a job at the stranger and starts ripping bands. Just being like, this is a little. This Nirvana record is not up to par These guys are just copying the pixies Like it's a rip-off

Kurt Cobain and sufferable as always We mentioned Mr. Setser Ponytail guy The cameos which we'll get into when we do Dionne Waiters But this movie is phenomenal cameos The Debbie Country video is hilarious Just two great Paul Westerberg songs Awesome It's really weird that those are the best two solo songs

he made and they're just kind of thrown into this movie. I love first of all, Matt Dillon is the wood stage the best because he's just really funny and this was the side of Matt Dylan we didn't know he had. He hadn't done comedy yet.

I'm walking down the avenue like that old is just like still working on it. So there's an MTV singles party that is captured in the Pearl Jam documentary in 1992 to

promote the soundtrack before the movie. It's on YouTube and ProJams super drunk and it's very early 90s. It's got all the MTV people in it. Is Tabitha? Tabitha Soren. Yeah, and like Kurt Loader. It's like it's just it's a fun YouTube. Well, he's a guy with a long hair.

Long blonde hair. Adam Curry? Adam Curry. I think he was gone by then. Oh, was he? I think so. I don't know. The last, what's age the best I have. You mentioned earlier in Van. Just Cameron Crow, the king of the corny one-liner that still works.

Yeah. Janet, you rock my world. Right. I was just nowhere near your neighborhood. What took you so long? It took you so long. He's just, I don't know why other people in the wrong hands. I want to be missed your new year.

Yeah, it just doesn't work, but with him. He always brings it back. He plants the seed early on. That's going to mean something. Then he brings it back. Any other, what stage the best for you? I think the breaking the fourth wall really works. You do?

You like it. Yeah. I think you really get to know those. characters really well through them talking to the camera. Like, I agree. I just love it. By the way, a little cutting edge at that point. Really where they just started.

And like the reality is it works. I wonder who they're, I always litigate this in my mind. Like who they're talking to. Is there somebody to make a documentary of the scene? Because remember one time he's talking to me, goes, hey, Cliff, I'm talking here. Yeah, yeah. And they drop out of it so quickly and go back into their lives. The movie really doesn't work without it.

And that's an easy thing to like to miss. Like in a film, like when you do that, like it's easy for that to become. I think that there was a video camera era for people with their friends. Like I had a video camera in college and we would just videotape each other and make fun of each other. So it kind of made sense in that context. And then the real world happened and then it became mainstream. A couple of things page the best for me. There's a line in there that says, where Steve says, in Mardi's society, there's almost no need to leave the house.

He thought that was true then. It's certainly true. Right. Think about in 1992, you definitely had to leave your house. You definitely had to leave the house. You definitely had to leave the house. And, you know, I wasn't able to really relate to it when I first saw the film. But that scene where they are talking around the fact that she already knows that she's pregnant.

Yeah. When she's like my body knows. And she says it such. And if you ever been through that before, it'll be like, oh, let's get the pregnancy test. And the woman looks at you and she goes, I know I'm pregnant. But it's also, I love the part where they're like reading out the instructions and they're like, yeah, it's going to be like 15 minutes. And he's like, well, then we'll have a conversation then.

And then he goes to the fridge. He's like, well, we can talk now. We can talk now. I'm free now. He's like, if it turns out blue, she goes, my body knows. I'm pregnant. You know what? Is it blue?

And it's like, let's put it up against something white. It's darkest blue. It's so vibrantly blue. But right away, in that scene, it captures right away, the tenor of their relationship changes. Right away it changes. So I thought that scene was really, really good. We'll take a break and then we'll zip through some categories there.

All right, Chris, the Kid Cuddy pursued a happiness word for best needle drop. This whole movie is the needle drop? I think you have to give Westerberg a lot of credit because that song takes the opening credits and gets played a bunch of times throughout the movie. And if that song's not killer, it gets annoying. But for me, it's state of London trust. I had that or the Allison Chains coming out of the mime thing

when all of a sudden Allison Chains is on stage. To me, it's got to be the Western Brooks. First of all, like, because Man in the Box is this movie, right? The Allison Chains' song is Wood, isn't it? Wood, okay, anyway. But, like, to me, to me, the Westwood song is,

it's the, like, almost like the backbone of the movie. It's like the theme song in the movie. Yeah, you're right. Awesome, awesome opening credits. Also, we should have, that on what stage the best. Shout out to the The Hendricks song

they're listening to in the kitchen though. Well, the Big Cahuna Burger Award for best use of food and drink. We don't always get to give this out, but the historic chili dog. Yeah. Fucking amazing.

We get a close-up of it. Also, shout out to Linda for just sheafing a chili dog. She's pregnant. Yeah, but it's just great that she's doing it at one o'clock. This was early 90s.

She's just housing it walking down the street. Another one we finally have one for is the Dracula the Musical Award for Best Imitation of Real Art. Touch me, I'm Dick. Touch me, I'm Dick. And that's Eddie Vedder singing, by the way. It doesn't mean that, like, I'm dick, and you can touch me.

It speaks for itself. It speaks for itself, you know. The Dennythieves Benny Hanna Award for scene stealing location. It's got to be Java Stop, right? Well. Or DeSoto, the club. So, I was thinking, yeah, it's probably the club. Probably, right?

Although Java stop's pretty cool I think I would have worked at Java stop The Java stop seemed dope though It was the meeting place for all of them They worked How many people worked at the Java stop? It's just Cliff and Janet, right?

It seems to be, yeah Yeah The Great Shock Order Award for most cinematic shot I had two that I really liked When Linda's crying After Luis Bones are over She's being consoled And she's out the club's inside

You can see the club And you see the Love Bone Written on the wall I thought that was really cool. And I like the wide shot when right after historic chili dog when they're on that bench and it's the wide shot of the power plant. It's just, it's really

cool. Crow's good at this stuff. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. I feel like the characters are a little too old. So here's a day we're younger. Like, so Dylan's 28, Kara Cedric's 28, Campbell Scott was 30. And I'm not

sure that he should have been that old in this movie. Steve feels like a late 20s guy. So I was going to save this for casting what ifs and usually you have like a casting what if it's like, oh, this was a rumor. But like I think for a lot of people, it was very hard to get their head around the idea that that wasn't Cusack because he's coming off his say anything. It would be a very logical next movie. It would be like John Cusack as a guy in his 20s. He wound up making like several movies that are kind of like this anyway. And he had seemed like

the perfect avatar for Cameron Crow on. stage like on screen. But now I kind of like Campbell Scott a lot. I like Campbell Scott and I'll tell you why. I think I like them too. A couple of things. Number one, when she says she's 23 in the movie. Janet.

Janet. She's 23 seems so impossibly young to me like now. Yeah. Then obviously, like she says in movie, it seemed old, but it seems so impossibly young to me. These are really fully formed people in my opinion. Like Steve is, has a, he works for the Department of Transportation. Yeah.

You know what I mean? They're kind of squares. A lot of them are kind of square. Yeah, like he works for the, like, she's an environmentalist. Debbie's an ad exec. Yeah. So, like, it seems as if they're mid to late 20s.

And I think his maturity, because he thinks he knows stuff about himself, but he hasn't really, he doesn't yet. I think he kind of works in the movie. You know what I mean? I like him because I love the movie, but I also think we might have been able to do better, which we'll get into.

What's age the worst? Going to a new stand after you've been in a club. Really hard to explain. explain to the Craig generation. This is something, a thing that could have happened. What do you want to do now? Let's go to a new stand. Yeah. We talked about how having sex with someone was a way bigger deal back then as

prosodified by the safe sex party. Yeah. And the casual sex doesn't exist in where it's lethal. It's over. So a lot of the Crow journal about this movie was about how Cameron Scott had just made dying young and played a leukemia patient. And his hair hadn't grown back yet. He was too skinny.

And the studio was freaking out. and had these wigs they were using for them and didn't totally work, but he had a very volatile relationship with Cameron Scott when they filmed this movie and the journal parts were interesting. Campbell, Scott and Cameron Crow had a ball of relationship.

And Cameron Crow. Which I'll get into when we do half a center research. Video dating is age the worst just because who the fuck would do a video date now? I think it's, you could make an argument that it's also age the best. That's also age the best.

Yeah, now we just have Tinder. Right. answering machines as a plot device and answering machines breaking yeah yeah this feels like this was the heyday of that 92 to 96 yeah the ending was swingers but now it's like you nobody would be able to hear an answer machine message being left

none of that stuff swingers another example of somebody who was acting fucking creepy right oh yeah we talked about that yeah that's a horror scene yeah well let me to build off of that another what's aged at the worst Luis is a fucking psycho Right

Louis Go to jail Louis Luis Like Luis would get a 12,000 word New York magazine feature written about him Yeah Luis is tough Like going around

Hustling Hustling girls But not for a green card Just to like kind of like Get them in bed After a week or two of dating And then pretending like you're going back to Spain But then just showing up at the bar down the street

Right He's like talented Mr. Ripley Yeah That guy is like It's sick Yeah Two more what's age is the worst for me. That is a Bobby Van.

Craig, any chance you know who Bobby Van is? No. Yeah. Right. So he hosted the game show Make Me Laugh. The only reason why I know that is because of singles. Right. That's even, that's too young for me.

And then the big what's aged or worse for me, Nirvana not being in this movie. Interesting. It's just such a bummer. It's like you almost look at like the dream team where it's like, man, if Isaiah Thomas, he just should have been on the team instead of John Stockton. Like that was so stupid. Why did we do that? Cameron Crow, he loved Nirvana's Emodium.

Yeah. Which is a really good song. He wanted to use in the soundtrack. And Nirvana was like, fuck off. There's this interview you can find on YouTube where they're shit talk in the movie and how. They don't like rock and roll movies and stuff. And Cobain's holding his young daughter.

And he's like, his love story that took place in Seattle. No way we're doing that. And then who is the bassist? What was his name? Chris knows. Yeah. he was like, yeah, we don't,

we don't want to be in a rock and roll movie. They're just shitting on it. And 30 years later, it would have been so nice to have the minute. Young girls in the clip. I'll go into later where I thought that song should have gone. What other, what stage of worst? Do you have anything? No, Ivan Luis was my...

This gets back into a running thing that I have here, somebody that we lost. She says, she wants her guy to be a combo of somebody in Mel Gibson. Oh, yeah. Mel, why? Holding Caulfield and Mel Gibson. Holden Caulfield of Mel Gibson.

Why, Mel? Why? You were the man. Everybody. Why? As soon as I saw that, I'm like, God damn. I can't watch Braveheart now because this guy, I fucked it off. Why?

I almost got in a car accident over the weekend driving by Moon Shadows and I was going to videotape and scream, why, I know why, and sent it to you. Oh, that and the fax machine. I'm looking at the fax machine. My question is this. So we saw the first time anyone ever used the fax machine kind of like an almost famous, right?

Yeah. How long did fax machines hold on? I have a question for you guys. Like, what was the last gas? I would say early 2000. Was it early 2000? I remember having the faxed a transcript. Yeah, early 2000s.

Yeah. Yeah, the facts machines. He was gone after that. The Ron Burgundy Flute Award for Best Time for a P-Break. Not giving out this award. I don't think you should peter in this movie. It's fantastic. Like there are parts of the Debbie.

You don't like Debbie's video. You don't like Debbie. It's just that in my mind this should be about cool Seattle people. And Debbie is kind of like she's almost closer to Melrose Place. Yeah, she's like a L.A. yuppie shit-hairs. What happened to Sheila Kelly? What's up with her? She did, what did she do?

L.A. Law? one of those movies. Yeah. No, she was in L.A. law before this? Yeah, she never, she got something else after. Was there a better title for this movie? First of all, no way. Second of all, the studio had 100 titles,

but they really wanted it to be called Come As You Are. Oh my God. And Crow was like, I think he would have just, you know, strapped a bomb to his chest and set it off on the freaking light tower. Best quote, obviously Steve don't come yet is eternal. Steve, don't come yet. So the Stephen A. Smith hottest take a word.

I'm going to give you Chuck Closterman in 2004 when Chuck and I exchanged passages all day on page 2. And Chuck always thought reality bites was a better Gen X movie than singles, which is a horrible opinion. But I also see the opinion. But after I've changed my mind on this 100 times, I think they're both great Gen X movies.

I think they should go into the Hall of Fame together like Bird of Magic. I don't think we should be forced to pick. But this is what Chuck wrote. The Matt Dillon character in Singles and the Ethan Hawk character in Reality Bites are as one-dimensional characters, characters, the same person. It's just that in Singles, that persona is painted as pathetic and stupid. In Reality Bites, it's expressed as brilliant but troubled. This is why Singles is not in any

context of a youth movie. It's about old people, one of whom is a city planner who just happened to listen to Soundgarden. It's a film for people who bought heart records when they were first released. So this is kind of like an extension of your weird Christmas thing. We're like Christmas movies that could have happened at any time. But like that hard is not a Christmas movie. We're not going to do that now. Home alone isn't either. But what I mean is like Chuck's-

I agree. Thanks, man. Christmas has to be a character. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, hold on real quick. We're here. I feel like I'm on fucking Tucker Carlson right now. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I agree. Christmas has to be a character in the movie for it to be a Christmas movie. Thank you. Christmas, Christmas, not home alone is a little bit more dice. What do you mean? Christmas isn't a person. How can it be a character in the movie? It takes place during Christmas.

They're traveling because it's Christmas. He's shoveling snow because it's December. The theme of Christmas, Home Alone is a little bit different. Home alone is a little bit different just because the family is coming together on Christmas. It's a vacation movie. It's not a Christmas movie.

I give you, but like for a movie to be a Christmas movie, Christmas has to be thematic to the film to me. It has to be a character. I've only been saying this for five years of rewatch. That's the whole point. That's just like, Any fucking Kramer versus Kramer could be set at Christmas. Like, you know what I mean?

Like Christmas has to be... So, wait, are you talking about Die Hard or Home Alone? Any of them? Home alone is a little different just because it's the family coming together. National Lampoon's Christmas vacation is a Christmas movie. That movie is about Christmas. I'm not going to do this right now. We're talking about something.

That's it for the Tucker Carlson show. We're going to throw it to Greg Gunfield. We'll be back. What do you have for how to take? I don't know if Steve was a good fucking train designer. Every time somebody is just like... He starts in with the super train. And they're like, uh, and he's like, what if?

And you're like waiting for him to drop like a bunch of charts and graphs and stats and interesting ideas about gridlock. He's like, if you give people great coffee. All vibes. It's like, so you want to have a coffee shop that costs a billion dollars and creates massive upheaval in the city's infrastructure to build so that you can listen to Paul Westerberg and drink coffee. When you could just do that at your apartment.

And it's just like his idea Like it's like all the posters are like the kind of poster a seven year old would make it Yeah, it's a super train That's why you got fired Yeah And then when people, every answer is like He give people great coffee It's so awesome when Tom Scarrett is like

I'm going to give you my answer And then I'm going to thank you for your time No I like that one He doesn't get past two minutes with the mayor Uh What do we do right now? This is the hottest take

Stephen A Smith's hotest take Oh, my hottest take is that Bailey was completely misused and done wrong in the film. Very fair. Like, Bailey gets nothing. And I didn't even realize that was Presbyluski from The Wire. Oh, yeah. Jim True Frost. Jim Truffauts.

Come on. Yeah, I didn't even realize that that was him. I think Bailey is, like, I connected with Bailey in the movie this time. When he was Prez, I couldn't get past singles for, like, two and hours. season. I'm gonna be honest with you. I did not have any clue. I'm watching.

I'm like, I know that guy. Why don't I like that guy? I know that guy. Is that guy about to like, is he about to, I have a theory that Bailey moved to Baltimore.

Became press? Yeah. Yeah. Does he want to know for Bailey is good. Right. That would have been a good way. Bailey moved to Baltimore. Got rid of his beret.

Yeah, it got rid of his beret. It's like, fuck and I'm going to become a cop. I can't get any enough. numbers. But Bailey to me is done wrong in this movie. Because he doesn't even have an arc. Nothing happens with Bailey. Like Bailey and Debbie. He doesn't have an arc. He gets fucking to the Bailey. I like it. My hottest take. The fact that Nirvana didn't want to be in this movie and where you stand on that question is a glimpse for what type of person you are in relation to the 90s and the concept of selling out.

because my theory is that they absolutely should have been in this movie and it's a shame that they weren't and they could have headlined it and could have played a modium and it would have been awesome. But the reason they were so great as Nirvana was not only did they not want to be in the movie, they shit on it and they never would have even considered it, which is kind of what made Nirvana great and he hated being famous. So it's almost like my split feelings on Nirvana

where it's like that's one of the reasons I love Nirvana. Fuck this for life. It would have been so amazing that if instead of Soundgarden, not that I don't love Soundgarten, but at the end of the movie, Nirvana is playing. Right, because the one time Nirvana sold out, and it wasn't even a sellout, but is when they did the MTV special.

The Unplug special. That's not really a sellout movie. They were maturing. It was a little bit of a sellout. People think of that as like one of their great musical achievements. Which is my point. It was. Why would that be a sellout, though?

Because it wasn't the type of thing they did. Like 12 hours a day for two years? How is that to sell out? Did they not also play the VMAs? Like, would that be a sellout? They did Saturday Night Live. They just, but this is my point. They didn't want to sell out and yet they would do the unpug concert.

They would do Saturday Night. They were on MTV. Like, so they kind of dabbled in it. So this is the counter is like, all right, so you're doing this stuff, but you don't want to be in a Cameron Crow movie. He's fucking from. Okay. Flip side of that, though.

If Steve's at that club and fucking Nirvana walks on stage, he probably, you probably doesn't call Linda. I don't think they should have performed. I think there was spots they could

have slid the song in just because to not have them in this is like doing a 1980s Boston movie and like Larry Bird's not in it.

So do you when Matt Dillon installs the new car stereo and Cornell walks up, you would have been happy if that would have been

Cobain walks up. No, I don't even want a Cobain came I'm saying like you could have played a modium in that scene.

Okay. So the thing about them is, they needed to be in the movie. There was this weird insulation between them, and not just grunge, but music period.

Like, even, I remember Kurt's, like, when Courtney Ray Kurt's suicide note was one of the all-time defining moments in my life, and he's describing, like, how much he hates his life, right? It just wouldn't have made any sense.

Like, they were like, there was a Mount Rushmore of grunge people, and then they were looking down even on them. Maybe not, maybe not musically, probably musically too, but just in the way that they were. You know what I mean? Which is why they couldn't be in singles.

They couldn't have been in singles. But that, it still kind of bothers me because they were so good. It's like, dude, your music is this good. Lots of people are going to like it. That's just how this works. And he could never accept

that they couldn't just be the small band. I think that by the time they were doing unplugged, they were starting to think of like REM is kind of like the model for the band of how to be a big band ethically. And so doing something like that And I think their music was going in that direction. But they wouldn't have done unplugged in 1991 or even 1992.

They also didn't sound like that. They sounded loud as shit. Like it would have been hard for them to like kind of make their songs into what that became. And by the way, I don't even, this was just a curt thing. I don't think the rest of the. No, in the YouTube clip, they all shit on it. They were like doing the. I don't know how genuine it is though because.

You think they're following him? Well, no, because the moment that Dave had an opportunity to be this big, colorful larger than life rock star. I was surprised when the Food Fighters' first video came out and it was all like, whimsical and funny, and it's a Minto's commercial. I was looking at that like, Jesus Christ,

I never thought any member, it took me a while to get into the Food Fighters because the vibe was so much different than Nirvana was. I was like, I was expecting the Nirvana sequel, but it was a fun American rock band. And at first, I couldn't see him in that way, you know?

casting what-ifs. Johnny Depp turned down the role of Steve Dunn. Way too good-looking. He said he didn't want to be in a movie where the character said, I love you. It was one of his reasons. It's a red flag. You're just going to dismiss Johnny Depp

but Steve way too good-looking. Really? Well, he never did a movie like this. He's never really just like a normal dude in a movie. He's another one. Why are you better than us, Johnny Depp? What fuck are you? You think I'm going to listen to Johnny Depp,

look in the camera, I think he could have done it. Tell me why he can't get no women. I'm not going to, I'm not doing that. It's fair. Way too good. Well, that was the same reason. Matt Dillon turned it down,

which is probably a good idea, too. Because Matt Dillon, handsome guy. Cameron Crow wanted Chris Cornell is Cliff Ponce. I think that would be cool, but probably wouldn't work. Chris Cornell is like, I'm doing this band called Sound Garden.

We're touring and making music. Can't happen. Crow said Paul Abdul was the runner up for the Debbie part. Oh, that would have worked. That would have worked. He said it was a photo finish. She was excellent. Excellent. Somewhere lurking in our archives is a smoking pall of dual in that part.

So there you go. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubenek Partridge overacting. Wait, what about the Jennifer Jason Lee was Linda? I don't think that's true. I vetted that one. You vetted that one with Cameron Crow? No, I did a lot of, I did a lot of research on it. I think that's false because he, in all the research, he's like, I love Bridget Fonda. I wrote the part of Linda. No, she was for Linda, not Janet. She was for Curis Sedgewik's part.

Oh, so you think that's true? It seemed like she had the role and then they decided it wasn't working or something. I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to think of her. That wouldn't have worked for me. I don't think that's going to work either. Like, it's a weird, multiversal single-white female situation.

I don't think they could have been in single-way-wai-female and singles. That would have been awesome. Single-white female reunion, but in this movie? They're like, this different. You know what I mean? And it would be funny if Janet was like, I don't know, for some reason, I fucking hate Linda. I don't know. Linda's, I don't want to stab Linda with a high heel.

Watch out for Linda, man. Watch out for Linda. I try to get Van to do single-wife female with me on the re-watchables all summer, and Van just wasn't having it. You know what? The movie... Nobody likes that movie but me. Even Wesley, I couldn't get to bite.

I don't... It's not that I don't like it. That's fine. I just don't want to revisit it again. Yeah, it's not really a re-watchable. Yeah, it's like a re-scarable. It's a great movie. Do you have any overacting?

No? I think this is a pretty... I think it's pretty... Yeah, it's a pretty level. I don't have it either. Best that guy were Jim True, Prez from the Wire. Yeah. Does it, I had him, do any of the other numerous actors that show up in this movie?

Like. Well, how about Linda's friend? Who, she's never been in anything. The Burnett. Yeah, Ruth. Yeah. Who are we talking about? She's like the, she's beautiful.

She's beautiful. I love, I always loved her. Devin Raymond doesn't even have it. They didn't run any place for her. They just told her. stay in the corner and shoot three. This movie is maybe the like the Mount Rushmore

of one-seen cameos by people who will go on to have really great careers. Paul Giamati. Victor Gerber who plays, who comes up, the Mexican guy, yeah. The Mexican guy. Pullman.

Pullman. How about Ali Walker? Yeah, Alan Walker. Who plays the, who plays a friend. Universal Soldier. You watch that show. She could feel NBC show in the mid-90s?

She was like... She solved crime. She could see shit. It was like the intuitor, but it wasn't that. Whatever it was called. Well, it's going to Dionne Waiters Award because it's... I mean, look how long this is. I got 11 candidates.

Yeah. Eddie Vedder and Jeff A-Mint. Eric Stolls is the mime. Peter Horton is the bicyclist. Bill Pohman plastic surgeon guy. Piven, Giamatti. James LaGrosse as special as a sensitive ponytail guy. Ali Walker, Tim Burton.

Tom Scarrett, Xavier McDaniel. Yeah. Who's your winner? It was a toss-up for me between Xavier McDaniel and Jeremy Pivot. Obviously, you'd give it to Eric Stoltz because like that,

Eric Stolt's in the back seat. He's just like, just amazing. But to me, I gave it to Pivot. Just because Pivot is like, he comes on so hot in that one scene. Yeah. And then the timing at the end when he sees the presidency test is so amazing.

I give it. I give it to Pivot. I give it to Pivot. Stoltz. I have stoltz. The smoking? The mime smoking. Only because all these people are great. Like X-Man technically could have won in 90 other movies, but

Stoltz and Piven take basically nothing part and they blow it out. They make it amazing. Recasting Couch. How about Samantha Mathis as Linda? I'd be into it. Yeah. Kier Cedric seems a little too old.

Samantha Mathis, they would have caught it a perfect time. God damn. I love so. God damn, we all love meant that. How about Josh Hamilton over Campbell Scott? Josh Hamilton, is he a little young? Does that character have for young, though? Do you not get kicking and screaming if Josh Hamilton? Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. River Phoenix, too handsome? Yeah, I think that's in the...

This guy's a space alien. Christian Slater? Thought about that. I think he's too young. He's probably like 21 at this point, 22. He seemed to even too young for true romance. I think it's Cusack or Stoltz. Yeah. Oh, Stoltz sort of been interesting. I think might have been too old. cool. Those would be interesting.

These are some of the some of the stuff Crow wrote about Campbell Scott. He said, my working relationship with Campbell is deteriorating daily. The air is thick with the unspoken. Steve Dunn is the hardest part of the movie all random of characters

without interesting quirks. His is the curse of the normal guy. So maybe that's why Campbell Scott was good. There's a whole bunch of stuff about when they finally have a blowout and it's just pretty clear that they did not get along and fought on the set. Campbell Scott had a really interesting beginning of his career because of dying

young and this. But it was kind of like the way Matthew McConaughey's career started where he was basically a major star immediately. A major star almost immediately. Yeah. Half-ass internet research. Central Coffee Shop featured in the film is at the now closed OK Hotel. Most of Matt Dillon's wardrobe

belonged to Jeff Amet. He also produced list of song titles for Citizen Dick which Chris Cornell took as a challenge and he wanted to write songs for the film

using those titles and that's how we got Spoon Man It's an actual story Spoon Man Yeah because the riff The opening of Spood Band is in this movie Yeah

Touch Me I'm Dick was a parody of Touch Me I'm Sick by Mud Honey And then Crow said When they were filming Pearl Jam 20 They went to the apartment house They were filming on the steps and the landlord came out

and he said this is private property you must leave now and Crow asked him do many people come here because of the movie and he said all the time

now get out and he was like Crow said I was so happy I must hugged him and he's like why are you happy about that I told him I was the writer director

he squinted his eyes and he said you ruined my life amazing stuff Apex Mountain Cameron Crow nah nope

Kier's Sedgwick? What was that show? She was on T&T for 10 years? The Intuitive. Closer? The Intuitive Closer? Campbell Scott him and say yes.

He was in a Julia Roberts movie and this? Matt Dillon, no. Pearl Jim, no. Sheila Kelly? Probably a little law. Not only laws? All right. How about long anguish 90s phone messages?

This is Apex fucking Mountain. Okay. Yeah. You belong to me. This is not the bathroom. Xavier McDaniel? who just finished the Nick's Bulls

playoff series and then was in singles I'm going to say yes Do you say this is the apex mountain of Xavier and Medina? That's interesting. I don't disagree. This era. Signed with the Celtics as a free agent.

I think this winter because Larry Bird retired. Garage door openers. Oh, for sure. Video dating in a movie. He's trying to think of a better video dating in a movie. I can't think of any, yeah.

I mean, certainly she gets Tim Burton directs a video. It's got to be it. Tim Burton can't be it. Tim Burton. Camios. Concept of the Super Train? Or would you go this or the

1979 NBC series Super Train? Did the Super Train work in that movie? Super Train just fails in movies, TV, doesn't matter. Apartment houses as a plot device. I still have Melrose Place. Yeah, Rosemary's baby too.

Yeah, that's a good one. Subpop. Well, he's wearing the subpop t-shirt at some point. You know? Well, it's a red, no? Yeah. No.

I think earlier, two years early? A little earlier, yeah. Seattle? I'm going to say yes. Amazing times for Seattle. Singles, the Sonics. Sleep was in Seattle? The next year?

I know, but... We don't get grunge in that, though. That would have to be Apex Mountain for Seattle. Were the 93 Sonics better than 92 Sonics? I think they were. When was... Yeah, maybe it was. I mean, are we in the full throws

of Ken Griffey Jr. fandom right now? It's starting, yeah. Can me, I was with you. Seattle was a major, major, major thing in the early to mid-90s. And then shout out to my people in Seattle. Seattle just became not a thing after a while.

I think it's a thing. I love Seattle. The music fell off. The Sonics got stolen. Yeah. And people started to hate Starbucks and big corporations like that. If you go there, it's still a great town. If you go there, it's an amazing place.

I've said many times that they had NBA, we probably would have moved there in the late 2000s. I would have lived there. I guess there was a little resurgence like when the Seahawks became. I guess, but Seattle was like a huge thing. I fucking love Seattle. Last one I have for Apex Mountain. The older red sob fastback. Unbelievable.

They don't even make sobs anymore, man. Douglas Copeland's Generation X. Yeah. So big time for that. Yeah. I always say every like once in a blue moon, you might see one on the road. It's like, oh. Best racehorse name.

Citizen Dick. It's a good one. Super Train. Good one. Historic chili dog. Super Here come Super Train Here comes Super Train

Pickin' Nits Giving a guy a garage door opener It's fucking weird On the first date Yeah On the first date But like as like you're going to Spain Take my garage door opener

How are you gonna open your shit? Did she have an extra? She has an extra I think her whole point is like she has two She gives Luis one and then he's You just met Louise, don't do that Yeah, that's weird Um

Craig Campbell Scott's apartment I know you lost your job and your girlfriend and the whole thing, but it turns into, like, the apartment from seven? Yeah, he became, he went down. He went down the tubes pretty quick. Talk about over the top.

It's like 17 pizza boxes. You're now a hoarder. And also, like, what girl is going to want to come in there and not be like, this guy, we should call the mental hospital? By the way, that's one of mine. What? She fucks him in that fucking pig style. Disgusting place.

Like, she literally moves. She fucks him and that, that's not happening. She's like, can you move the pizza box? Right, yeah. And the rat that's it in the, pizza in the pizza box. She's going to go, oh my God. Wait, so you had like an immaculate apartment when you were 24?

That apartment was out of control. Disgusting. He just had food all over the place. It was gross. That was too over the top. Come on, Cameron Crow. Do better. What else did you have for picking it? I have to admit that if I was Ruth,

I would find Linda a little bit of a tough hang. She's always coming in just being like, I don't want to play any games. This guy's the one. And then it's just like, Oh, like Luis? Yeah. The fucking guy who, like, Louis played and saw the nightclub. Right.

I just feel like she's the real, like, she really dominates the conversation. We don't, we don't ever hear any like, how are you doing, Ruth? Any historic chili dogs in your horizon? Like, what's going on? Yeah, what's her role? She's just... She's the friend, but it's like... Yeah, she has no life of her.

It never seems like Linda's ever asking Ruth, like, how's it going? And why didn't Ruth give Bailey, like, at least a shot of? Ruth fucked over Bailey so badly. Yeah, she shut him down. And it was, it's so funny. Bailey's like, huh? She's like, no. Like, why?

Like, he's got a nice hat. Are we sure Ruth was straight? Might have, you know. Maybe he was trying to kind of sneak that in there. My knit is the ethical, like, emotional plastic surgeon. I know these guys. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're all soulless.

They'll put tits on a corgi. Right. If you're, if you're, if you're, if you're. If your credit card, it gets accepted, they'll put tits on anything. And just seeing him, like, the whole time, I just, I don't, I don't buy it. I have another, that's a good idea. This is more of a possibly unanswerable question. Can I answer, ask it now, though?

How independently wealthy is Janet? Because she's able to have elective plastic surgery at 23. She's least able to pay for it. The Java stop had benefits. But remember, she was saving up for architecture school so that she might have been using her architecture school Monday. And she immediately pays off for student loans and goes back to school. So I'm just curious.

It's not really a judgment. She might be coming from some money. But if that's the case, then why is she working at the Java? Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, she's got some money. I got another picking news. By the way, she doesn't have, wait, she does. And if she does have that money, why isn't she pouring that money into the production of Citizen Dick?

Why does she help you? You know? Better posters. Why is she helping him? She does nothing. She got Steve Albini to produce their demo. I don't want to tell Cameron Crowe how to write a screenplay. I'm not going to do that here, but I am going to do that.

Okay. Just give me one scene where they're talking about the Sonics and the coffee shop or they're arguing about some of the Seattle. Well, Linda talks to them about X-Man. She's like, now that we've got rid of that. They're all hanging out, friend style. Something about, you know. Oh, actually like.

Allison Chains is playing today. Yeah. I think they're the best. But like just some, I feel like that's what they would talk about the coffee shop. You want Debbie to turn around and just be like, what are we thinking about Nate McMillan starting at point guard? I think Sean Kemp could be You guys like Derek McKee

For the three point contest this year Like Sean can't be an alphidoc Right What do we feel about Deadlift Shrimp this year? Yeah Like what is he gonna Some sort of conversation

About some Seattle conversation To root the fact that we're in Seattle Other than the stuff Because Steve's room is covered With music and sonic stuff Someone just like I miss Dave Kingman So he doesn't have one sonics contact

I would like that Sam Perkins Is he gonna be able to work out? Van, sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. All black cast. I'm a beyond with you. Yeah, Van and I are making an announcement. We want to produce all-buckast singles.

Black singles? I'm going to be honest with you. Studio out there. Give us money. That would get so hard right now. Where would you set it? Maybe Atlanta, you know what I mean? And you use hip-hop.

Like, you could do Atlanta. You could do New Orleans. You could like... Can I just throw, just throwing out no bad ideas in a brainstorm? Sure. What if it was all black cast but like a grunge revival living in Seattle?

It was just like a black guy who loves Allison change. Loves Allison change. We find these seven black people in Seattle. What if you go backwards and it's in Atlanta in like 1995? We can't do it. Like we're not,

they're not going to green like that shit. Like we got to be now. If we go period, then we just, we spend it more money. So like if it was Atlanta in 1995, that's a better movie. But we could do it right. Right now.

Atlanta 95 would be an amazing movie. It's much better. Like, if you did it, if you did it Atlanta in 95, it's much better. But I do think now, I think, I think I really, really think that would be crazy. All right. Come at us, Hollywood people. We're ready to make it. Van and I have talked about this.

We talked about it a long time. Reduce singles, Black cast. Chris has an idea, too, that he wants to do. It's a prequel to singles. It's set in the D.C. punk scene, like, 1989 range. No? Yeah. Watch people going to see Fagasy, you mean?

Yeah. Yeah. It's all about Joe House. Joe House and purple hair. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trail, Catherine Hines, Steve Buscemi, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Philip Baker. So I just want to say it's Catherine Hahn. Oh, as Ruth. spiritually, she is like, she would be great in this movie.

Doesn't Steve Buschemy make sense as Bailey? Like, it's way more... Oh, that would be weird. It's way more believable. It's just too hard because this is Mr. Pink. Right. I can't fucking see him. He could have been the mime.

Yeah. Steve Busceby could have been the mime. He could have played Luis. Philip Baker Hall could have been the mayor. Yeah. Could Wayne Jenkins have been in this movie? Look at that. Mr. Super Trade guy.

Hey! I don't know what I was working. Just one Oscar who gets it. Soundtrack. soundtrack. They don't even have Oscars for soundtrack. That soundtrack. Westerberg. Yeah. Westerberg for

what was waiting on somebody. Waiting for somebody. That's the original song. Yeah. So that could have been eligible for Oscar for a best song, right? Dislexic hearts on another record. I don't know if waiting for somebody is. Probably in answerable questions. I had was the Super Train a good idea written down? So Chris already covered that. Apparently Seattle got a light rail train system in 2003. I'm not saying it's a bad idea in and of itself.

Although I do think, I just think that was Steve's plan, there just wasn't enough thought put it to it. It was just like, I want a floating cafe. Steve would say, someone would ask Steve, Steve would say coffee, music, that's it. I'm thinking to myself, just like you, I'm like, dog, that's like, it's $2 billion, bro. Yeah. You got to come with the fact, you got to come with how long it takes people to get to work. We need a blood job car. Yeah, like you got, you got to give somebody other than the fact.

Yeah. Yeah. After living through the big dig, there's no way I'm... Yeah, the big dig was... Oh, my God. We covered how the movie should have ended with Steve and Linda together. We all go ahead. You know what?

I had a possibly an answerable question. Well, actually, it's more of a... We're here. Okay. Go. Is the pediatrician who talks to Steve in the Hall of Fame of Boston characters? Oh, that fucking guy. We had a kick in Boston accent.

The father and sets the penis. He's like from Rhode Island. Did Brian the video guy become the next Martin Scorsese? I'm going to say no. I'm not going to lie. The video dating video was hilarious. It was really good. He at least made an indie movie at some point.

I think he makes very artful porn. Yeah. I have a question. He works with Dino Velvet and 8mmeter. Did Pam and the video guy end up together? No, Pam and the cyclist, I thought. Pam and the cyclist. Yeah, that's what I meant.

Pam? Did they make popcorn together long term? No way. I think we're supposed to think that she's kind of bounces around. Maybe isn't a good person. Why is that video? Why?

Because she's hung over that way? No, I don't think she was a sympathetic character. I think she's supposed to be like not a good person in this movie, right? Pam? Pam? Not really? Pam the roommate? Yeah.

She steals her video date? Pammy from Udub? I'm playing him. But the other time we see her, she's like, Debbie, I'm having kind of a moment. I don't know. Not a lot of wins for Pam in the movie. I'm going to be honest with you.

I think Debbie was more in Pam's shit than Pam was in Debbie shit. Debbie's like, Pam, you got to take all the crumbs off the dishes. Debbie was a tough hang. I'm not sure how Debbie was friends with these other ones. Best spot for the Nirvana song, a modium. I'm going to go with Debbie cycling to the second location.

Can you fucking imagine? She's on the bicycle as a modium's playing. All right, let's do it. The big question. So Warner Brothers immediately tries to turn singles into a television series. Cameron Crow turns it down.

It's like, fuck that. We're not doing that. The people who were doing it. The people who wanted to turn it. The same people who try to turn singles. Marta Kaufman and David Crane, right? They hire Marta Kaufman and David Crane who make friends.

The same people who tried to convince Cameron Crow to turn singles in a movie. Crow called his lawyer and tried to stop it. NBC said Fuck you, we're doing it anyway. They make friends. And Crow says in 2017 that his mother still says to him

you really screwed up on friends. All you had to do is say yes, you'd be living in a castle right now. And he says, I don't need to live in a castle. I'm happy I made the choices I made. But in my mind, at least,

you can partially draw a line from the genesis of Friends to our little Seattle film. Yeah, Rachel and Janet are very similar. Obviously, they fucking stole it. They fucking stole it. Like, why?

I never fully. realized it until I did the research for this movie and I was like, oh my God, they actually like literally stole this. I didn't know the Warner Brothers. They actually stole it. It's cool. I mean, I don't think Camer Crow might not live in the castle, but he lives in an amazing. I hope you guys are

He should have gotten paid for them. I hope you guys are this easy going when I sell black singles. Chris Ryan presents Blackson coming to bounce TV. Did we talk about that? Black single star in John Burnfield. Controversial casting. It just fell right for the part.

John can do anything. John can do anything, man. They fucking stole the friends from this. Friends, the most successful sitcom other than Seinfeld ever. You know how we always litigate these things and we... We didn't even have to litigate it. Yeah, we don't.

We put lyrics up or is it the same song? No, they stole it. No. Ross is Steve. Everybody made money. Cameron Crow had a jive. I don't know how much more the guy needs. He two of the biggest movies of the day.

He's great. He should have been an EP. He should have been an EP, but he didn't want it. Best? So if somebody All of a sudden Somebody makes a movie called Two Perfectly Strange Strangers

That becomes like a A movie and then a six-season FX thing And they just took it from you But here's the difference though Anybody that pitches me Any idea based off that movie I'm gonna say yes

You can like Send the check To Van Leith Like literally anybody Because hey man We want to put this on That's a go Yeah

Put the like yeah So anybody But We're going to bring Quibi back. We're going to do it five minutes. I'm like, oh, yeah, go for it. Best double feature choice. What do you got?

It's either reality bites or kicking. I see. I was going to say, actually, say anything. Like, say anything as the prequel of this movie. Seattle coming of age high school, Seattle coming of age post college. What do you have been? You know what?

Action Jackson. Jackson is good. I was almost going to go Love Jones because it's like a similar type of vibe. But you could do... I like that one. Like Love Jones is like similar type of. vibe. But if I'm

I'm gonna go Vanilla Scott, no, I'm just joking. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna go Jerry McGuire, man. Like, I'm gonna go, like the, these movies have some. The, the say anything singles Jerry McGuire run is like very much like high school post college into your professional. Yeah, yeah. It's a great. It's really great. The Andean Red Zawantanae Award for what happened the next day. This is really important.

Janet dumps cliff. How many months later? Like two days later. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't work. As soon as classes start. And she runs in, Cliff's like working at a pizza shop in town, and she runs into them every once in a while. It's awkward. Steve and Linda had two kids in a divorce. Well, it's also Cliff winds up getting kicked out of what will become Pearl Jam

and is bitter for the rest of his life. Steve now manages the coffee shop. Stephen Linda, two kids in a divorce, and Steve and Janet end up together. Wow. That's nice. I mean, if you want to think that, that's good. And Janet's got big fake breast.

as an architect. Chris, what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Jerry Cantrell's Long Johns. Oh, wow. Gosh, what piece? I would go with the citizen, the original citizen Dick smarter than you post her.

I think it would be cool to have the garage door opener just as an inside joke. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. I want shards of the broken glass from Janet's car. Oh, from the... The car accident, we didn't really talk about the car accident. No, no, not the car accident.

When Cliff comes out. Oh, and blows up the thing. And the whole thing is like, what is this in this bowl, man? You remember the movie series? Whose fault is the car accident? Does Janet run the light? When he's like, that's been yellow for too long? It's a good car accident.

Wait, I'm mixing up the characters. No, you're right. No, you're right. When Janet's car, the glass gets blown up by Cliff's car stereo. Linda has the car accident. Linda has a car accident. It's a malfunction with the stoplight, right?

Now these characters have been named... These characters have been named Olivia and Sophia. Janet and Linda, those names are dead now. You would not meet a baby named Linda. You won't.

You won't mean to Janet either. You should bring them back. Linda and Janet. One thing about this, I do feel like the reaction to the car accident was pretty severe. They were about

to get married and bliss. And the car accident, they both retreated to the netherworld of their own. I think it's supposed to be like they're living in a dream state and they both are kind of like, we're flying without a net here. Like we, you know, and then the car brings them back to like, she's like, I got to go to Alaska.

They're like, and Steve's like, you're right, I got this super thing. She goes to Atlanta, go to Atlanta. Go to Atlanta. Alaska, come up for a month and they say, let's be friends. That's tough. I also really like the X-Man E-tier bumper sticker that Steve had in his desk. If that's on eBay, I'm getting it.

The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. I'm going to go with, love is finding someone who says, God bless you when you sneeze. That's good. That was my life lesson from this movie. Any other ones? That's pretty good. Who won the movie, Van?

Steve. It's boring. It's boring to me. Do you have Campbell Scott winning the movie? Actually, Noah really won the movie? Bridget Fonda wins the movie. Nah. Either Steve or Gruny.

Grunge won the movie. Grunge. Grunge wins the movie. I like that. Or Grunge. That's a good one. That's good. I think he's right.

Grunge. Yeah. Grunge won the movie because I, like, this, this movie didn't make me go back and relitigate. It didn't make, it didn't make me for British Fondel. I didn't re-litigate Campbell Scott's career and George's Scott's son, which, by the way, I did not know until. But it did make me go, I've been on a grunge kick all weekend long. I've been listening to the soundtrack for days. All weekend long.

I've been listening to it. Producer Craig Oralbeck, what do you think? This movie is three years older than you? Two years older than you? Two years older than you. I was negative two. I just love all of these. This is now up there for me.

It's kicking and streaming in this. Oh. My two favorite, like, we're in our early 20s. Music to my ears, Craig. Yeah, man. Can I pick the 90s to win the movie? I just feel like, just a great time. Great era.

I love it all. I had a few questions about the 90s. I wanted to run past you guys. Was the garage door opener thing a thing? Like, I give you my garage door. Was it like the keys you gave me? Maybe in Seattle. I mean, I didn't grow up any.

Like, we didn't have garages. We had a carport. Tough parking in Seattle. So maybe it was a thing in Seattle. I've never had a garage. I think it's like a thing in San Francisco, too, with the hills. You get the, I don't know, maybe. All right.

I guess did a lot of people have garages wherever you lived? I think if you lived in a duplex? Because I think Linda lives in the second floor of like, and downstairs, there's downstairs neighbors. So, yeah. I never failed to be baffled by how willing people are in the 90s and even earlier. Just like, let strangers in the car.

Like, hey, we're going to the concert. Can we get a ride? We can't find it. It's like, hop in. Post-resident of the hit checker era. Can't say that I was often doing that. Sometimes it would be like, if you knew people and you were at the bar, they would be like,

can you drive me home or whatever? Like, letting the mime on the side of the road in the car is just bad shit. Fair. And then were people just, did people just assume answering machines always worked? Like, don't you think if you left a message and you just never heard from her again, you'd maybe think maybe it broke. Like if, did they break all the time? Or was it extremely rare for an answering machine?

But that would be like kind of like calling to, that was like in swingers where he's like, maybe you were like blow drying your hair and you didn't hear the phone ring like and he calls like five times. Like there was a kind of like, I have to play this a little cool. Right. I feel like answer machines worked. I do think it was a movie. It was a movie thing versus like how it actually. They never busted.

No, I don't really. Also at a certain point, it just became like you had voicemail. Yeah. And then you would just rewind it and it would start at the beginning. Maybe just call a couple more times and hope she answers. You know, when you think she's home? You know what happened in my life, around 94, 95, we started to get pagers. Yeah.

The pager came in. You know what I mean? I would just pay somebody. Hey, man, paid your friends. You know, one reason they had that answer machine thing is because in the reshoots, well, they did the reshoot. That was one of the reshoots. So he's wearing a wig in it.

Oh. But the reason they did it was because nobody couldn't understand how they just ended up back together. Yeah. Like it was like they broke up and then there was like no scene Where it was like one person long in for the other So they went back and they reshot that and it worked I also just think people really underestimate how fun it is to live in close proximity to all of your friends

I think that is why people look back on college so fondly and you're like I think that it's too stigmatized that like moving to a place because your friends are there Is like not a good thing to do in your adult era but I think you should I think it's hard here in LA It's like I think it always tough because like you can just be like oh my friend moved to you neighborhoods over and now we're 40 minutes away from one another. The Valley versus like Marina Del Rey, you can't see it. Yeah, but like in Philly, Boston, Seattle, Portland, New York, still

like you can really just be like, yeah, all my friends live in this neighborhood. Two of my best friends from high school bought, they lived in a place together after college and it was like the greatest thing that ever happened. That's what I did too for a couple years. Me and Ian Von Spooner got an apartment, Jefferson Lakes apartment, and we turned that bitch

out. It was going nuts right after college. Ian von Spooner. Ian von Spooner is his name. Spooner is what my best name. Ian Vaughn Spooner. Wasn't he in school time? Is he in the intoer?

Was he the guy who's saying, Brendan Fraser at the end of schooltas? He's getting married next month. Ian von Spooner, we turn that bitch. Out. Yeah, you're right. It was a great time. Frank should hang out more.

Everybody works from home now. You can live wherever you want. Like, I just think friends should, like, oh, let's all just move to the same city. This sucks. Why not? My buddy, Chris is like, dude, if you moved to Nashville, I'd probably just move to Nashville.

What are we doing? It's the whole point of being alive. Like, you're friends. It's great. Yeah. Anyway, there you know. Do you see the story of that family? It was three different families.

They all bought houses on the same cul-de-sac, and they all raised their kids together. I love that. Also, coordinate your kids being born together. I'm down on, I'm with that, too. Oh, yeah. Kids at the same time. These are all the advice I was going to give you when you got married. Make sure you live with Chris in Nashville.

and time your birth of your children. Turn this bitch out. Chris, man, great to see you. Of course. Craig Horbeck, thanks for producing. What an awesome movie. Thanks for listening.