The Rewatchables - ‘Slap Shot’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

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You suck. Paul Newman. All I can get. Slapshock. Guys, the rarest of rare. A movie that wins the title when it comes out and never loses the title, even though it came out in 1977. The greatest hockey movie of all time, nobody's approached it. Probably the greatest sports movie of all time.

Ooh, you're going there already. Yeah, I really thought this watch, I'm like, what's better than this? What's, you know, some of the language stuff has an age great, but just from, as an actual movie, Right. Start to finish with a major star with awesome sports. It's aged about as well as you can do from the 70s. I just can't believe how funny it still is. It's my favorite sports movie ever made.

I think it's up there. You know, I think Boulder Moneyball, Major League. There's a bunch up there, but like this is the one I return to over and over again. It's the most reliable. Yeah. This and Caddyshack for me are probably the most reliable in the sports movie. You don't want to watch Hoosiers now. Some stuff makes me mad.

Rocky's super slow. Rocky 3's cartoonie. Going down the line, I can nipick after having just had these movies in my life for most of my life. And then you put on Slapshot and it's like, God damn, they fucking did it. I wonder if that's because it's set in a world that it doesn't matter if it's real or not. You know, it's like minor league hockey is never going to be something that I'm personally interested in. And yet, I feel like the world is explained to me perfectly. You know what I mean?

Like, a lot of sports movies, you're constantly like, well, would the Indians really do this in the movie Major League? Yeah, you guys don't have Mark Mulder in here. Yeah. Yeah, Moneyball, you're like, is he really? Does he look like Art How? You know, like, that never pops into your mind. Boldham is very similar where you're like, this is the world of minor league baseball. It's also so incredible that this movie essentially, it looks like science fiction at this point.

Guys are wearing full leather leisure suits. Everybody's fucking drinking all day long. The players don't have helmets on. The players aren't wearing helmets. It's like a different sport. Like they're all hanging out at the same bar. I mean, it's but you're like, I would live. Like this is a movie where you're like, I would, I wish I could live in this world just a little bit.

Like I don't think I'd be really like mentally well after doing so. But don't you want to fucking spend a day in Charlestown, you know, like in this way? Yeah, you're like, in another world, just being a bartender at the Aces and having chief season tickets. The Saturday Night game. Dylon cancer with a 52. It sounds okay. You want to be more like Mo, you know, go to the palm aisle. Maybe have the Hanson's over for like a special autograph session.

Yeah, they do such a good small town. I mean, a lot of it's George Roy Hill, which will get to. You would have been Jim Carr. Oh, yeah. Would have thrown a rug on. Your rug game would have been incredible. Yeah. It's been the best hockey movie for 47 years.

And it's got this weird hold where nobody's really made a run in it. Like, think how many basketball movies, how many boxing movies, how many baseball movies, football movies. There's, like, Goon happened. They made a couple slap shot sequels. They did Young Bud. Miracle. Yeah. Miracle, which was basically, yeah.

Mighty Ducks. That's, I think for a generation. Yeah. But nobody's like, hey, I'm going to make a minor league hockey movie. Or nobody's like, hey, I'm going to dive into the world of the Ottawa senators. Yeah. Yeah. Or anything.

I like Goon a lot. I think Goon is very good. This is a legendary movie that we're talking about, so it pales in comparison, but I like Goon's fine. Yeah. It's a good indie movie. I'm surprised nobody is, I mean, like right now there's this show on called Shorzy,

which is essentially like Slapshot as a ticsicom. And it's really, really great, but it doesn't, you know, it's not, it's this has Paul Newman. The guy who made this thing, directed Paul Newman in a hockey movie, and then you go down the list of the cast and you're just like, this, like, Lindsay Krause is just Lily?

Like, this is wild. Like, this is how the 70 movies worked. And it does seem weird that it even happened. It's kind of fascinating that everybody involved wanted to do this movie. Right. And then a lot of the actors that will talk about when we get to it, I'm trying to figure out exactly when this movie came out. So it was February 25th, 1977.

So I had just turned seven years old. I was like seven and a half. Did you go to this in the theater? Do you guys think, knowing me, for a long time. Chris, you've known me really since 2011. Sean, you've known me since 2012. Do you think I saw this in the theater?

I do. I do, definitely. I think your dad took you. Definitely. I saw it in the theater. Of course. It's a sports movie Cleveland Circle in Brookline. I remember where we saw it. Also, the first pair of boobs I'd ever seen in a movie. So we'll talk about that later.

Solid introduction. Yeah. There was a lot of hype for this. This was when the 70s was when I cared about hockey the most and hockey fights. And the Bruins had a team, really 76 through the, through the 80 season where ready to brawl. And like the Airy's on this team. Yeah, we had this is, we went into the stands at MSG in 79.

Like those Bruins teams, they rolled up the sleeves. Yeah. So the slap shot, I remember they used to make those Zander Hollander, those yearbooks for each sport to make basketball football. And Paul Newman was on the cover of the hockey one that year. I'm like, oh my God, Paul Newman's, I just knew him as the Butch's sting guy. Yeah. It's like a hockey movie with Paul Newman and there's going to be like fighting and mine are like,

what is this? I knew, yeah, I was six. Was that in the fall of 76th? Yeah, the 76, 77 season. You can go back and read that book. He's on the cover of the book. And there's a whole article about Slavshot. And then it came out and it was awesome.

And, you know, and then it lived on and on and on. It showed up on the cables and the, the. Channel 38 where I lived. I think if you're a sports fan and you're born in the 80s, this is a movie that gets like handed to you by your parents. So when it came out,

like were you and all your friends saying like, this is my favorite movie. These guys curse a lot. There's boobs in it. Like what was like a phenomenon right away? And the Hansons, of course. There was two lanes. And it's funny because we had both them at the ringer.

There were the Star Wars kids. And they were like the Rocky Slapshot, Bad News Bears. Like the ones who liked those movies. And there wasn't really a lot of crossover, at least at my school. But no, it was like the Hanson brothers immediately. The thing is, when I went to school, not a lot of people were allowed to see this movie that were my age. So I didn't really have a lot of people to share it with until it got older.

But the Hanson brothers, like, I don't think I'd ever probably, I don't even really remember the mechanics of seeing that much of this movie. But I can't imagine I laughed harder than the Hanson's coming in their first game. When you're a kid, when you first see this, and you see the Hansons. You're like, I don't think you understood that you could laugh that hard

and be that delighted by something than to see three brothers wearing thick, like, just reeking havoc for four minutes, fucking destroying guys. I was just like, I can't believe this is happening. I mean,

but I remember that this was one of the movies that my parents weirdly let me see, given what, like, the content of it. And it was like always the thing that I all, I don't know if aspired to is the right word. But you know, when you see a movie, that you're way too young for and you're just like deeply fascinated by like why does it so paul

newman is kind of flirting with his wife like how does that work and like all these things about adult relationships that you're like is that what it's going to be like are we all going to be at a bar and i'll just like flirt with some other guy's wife and so what is that how it is it's not but the hansons is the bridge because the hansons is funny it's the same amount of funny the first time you see it to the thousands. I got to say, I think that's a great point. It never reduces in funniness. It's like some of the Caddysheck stuff

where it's like it still makes me laugh the same. I was so happy. I think I waited until my son was like maybe five. To show him this? That's pretty young. Like Melinda Dillon and all? No. Okay.

It was on one of the cable channels. So I'd tape the cable thing because I was like, I just got to bang this out. He has to know about the Hansons. That's two years from now for Alice. I would be showing her slap shot. Well, the cable version. The comedy sexual version.

Yeah, okay. And it's just like the Hansons are eternal. Yeah. Yeah. Like, to say that like little kid laughter, like the levels of little kid laughter when the Hansons are wreaking havoc, it's the funniest thing.

They're still the fucking funniest. It's a primal thing in your brain. The scene when the home woman is giving the speech or trying to give the speech while I sitting on the bench and they're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like, yeah. Still, Okay, coach. Yeah. Fucking kill him. Yeah. Yeah, they fight.

Gotta get him in his mind. I had, during this movie, they, uh, they fight a Coke machine. If we've seen them putting foil on, I mean,

this is a shit, like, it's like, what are those guys, what are these guys doing? They, uh, they,

they were given their own version of the Reg pregame speech. They're fighting the hotel room manager. They just pull them over the counter. They're playing with cars in their room. Uh, It's just, I don't know. I almost feel like we need to add them in the Wayne Jenkins category.

Oh, would it be better with the Hanson's? Any movie better with the Hanson brothers? Yeah. That's a great call. The Hansons just in saving Private Ryan. They never really popped up in another movie, right? I mean, they did this last. I think that they basically like just do like conventions. Right, right.

Yeah, it seems like they're still very. Autograph signings. Yeah, they're still riding off of the wave of the movie, but it doesn't really seem they continue acting. Well, the language, even the ads. in 77, they had stuff like certain language maybe too strong for children.

So the language was a big selling point. Yeah. Like this is a dirty, launching movie. It's like this, Glenn Gary, the last detail, like the great cursing movies

of all time. You know, like a midnight run. Midnight run. Isn't there just a movie that just broke the record when we were just talking about this? Was it Irishman or something?

Yeah, it was maybe the Irishman that had the most fuchs in it. Good fellas has some good runs. Well, then there's Newman, who this is, his last great leading man movie before he gets a little older and moves into another phase of his

career, right? Yeah. This is like the last time he could believably get. Verdicts after this? Verdicts after. But he's like way like, he's like fading at that point. Like I was like he's not you, that guy couldn't play hockey. Yeah.

Butch Cassidy in 69, this thing in 73. He's in Tower Inferno 74. Buffalo Bill in 76. What are your Buffalo Bill thoughts? It's a misfire. I like that he tried it. made two movies with Altman. They're both bad. They're like among the worst Robert Altman movies.

Yeah, why did that happen? I don't know. I like that he loved Altman's movies and wanted to do something great and I think he saw a lot of his contemporaries making movies with him. I was like, I could do one of those and just the stories and the scripts are not great. So I don't love Buffalo Bill. It's okay. He loved making this movie. Yeah. There's a

He said it was his favorite movie. It's this, but there's a category of movie where it's like Ocean's 11, when you're watching it, you're like, man, you guys really fucking loved making this. And it's like the basically their joy is contagious. And I feel like in Slapshot, even though it's like set in this dying steel town,

everybody's just drinking Schmitz all day. It's like a very great hangout movie because you're like, these people obviously are getting an absolute kick out of each other. There's a couple of times. This time I watched it where you could almost see Newman Break. Yeah, a couple times. They brought their fucking toys with him, Jim.

And then Struther Martin's like, I had a terrible masturbator. Newman's like looking off in the distance he can't give it together. I think this, I really was thinking about this heading into the movie, this viewing, whether he's my all-time leading man guy.

Because I was coming up, we talked about Cruz and Jerry McGuire, Hanks and like castaway. Bert Reynolds has a great one in the longest yard where it's just like, you have to feel like he could be the coolest guy in the room that he can get anybody's wife for girlfriend, there's a charisma piece,

and you feel as you're watching, like only this person could have played this part. And I think it's the best of all of those Newman parts. Even going back to the 60s. Anyone ever looked cooler wearing black socks, white boxers, a white t-shirt with a towel with their eyes? And yours are like, that guy, I would fucking throw my life away for that guy.

Yeah. He just says, like, he's got the full bag. Like, he's got every move. You know, he can do any kind of movie. Yeah. He could be in a action. Western or he could be in a sports comedy. He could be the romantic leading man

or he could be the sidekick. He could be like the old Wiley Rascal or like the young, wide-eyed kid. Like he really over 50 years could do every kind of leading man part. I think he probably has the best case for, I guess there's like, you could probably talk about like Jimmy Stewart

or Henry Fond or somebody like that going back to the 40s and 50s, but from 1960 through 1985, I don't know if there's a better guy doing it. He's also great. every decade. He's even great up through those Robert Benton movies. Like nobody's full, like when he's really much older. Yeah. Well, it's also

fun to think about him in different movies that will come out since his peak. Like, once upon a time in Hollywood, I think he could have played both parts. Oh, I think he absolutely could have played the Brad Pitt part. I mean, awesome. But I also think he would have been really good in the Leo part. I mean, and that movie in some ways is like a wink in a nod to Butch Cassidy and the Stang. You know, those like epic two-handers

with huge stars. Like, those movies are hard to make and they're pretty rare because it's unusual to get that to have matched energy of those two guys and he does it effortlessly in those two movies. He could have played a bunch of the Hank's parts. Sure. Yeah. Right? Forrest Gump.

Well, I don't know about Force Gump. Yeah, that would have been tough. Yeah, he definitely could have done the castaway and I think he could have been good in like, he was never really in a rom-com but I think he would have been good in like a sleepless in Seattle type thing if he'd ever wanted to do it. Yeah, he's in somebody up there likes me, right? That's an early one. But yeah, he's not in a ton of those.

He could have played some of those younger cruise parts. Like, he absolutely could have been Pete Mitchell. Sure. When he's a, yeah, when he was a younger actor, yeah. I think he could have been Jerry McGuire. Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was just going down.

It's like the dude could do everything. He had really good taste. It was interesting that those two Altman movies didn't work out for the most part. I just remember when I was a kid, Redford and Newman seemed like the two biggest stars in the world, and then it was everybody else. I think his career is a testimony. to the ability to withstand some failure

because the arc of his career is really interesting. He's like a hot studio actor in the 1950s, comes out of the actor's studio. It's a beautiful young guy who made a bunch of movies that bombed. And he survived it. And he would like always come out when he would come give a talk somewhere

and be like, first of all, I want to apologize for making the silver chalice. Like he was making that joke when he was like 85 years old. And somehow he withstood that. And then there's like all these movies. There's so many movies of his I haven't seen. And in 1968, between Cool Hand Luke and Bush casting the Sundance Kid, he made a movie called

The Secret War of Harry Frigg. You guys seen that movie? I haven't seen that movie. That's a movie that is lost to time. And yet, like, he could kind of persist and keep going. It's a little harder for young actors to kind of survive that way nowadays. Well, the 60s, I mean, he kind of, like that first part of his young Newman prime, he was kind of a decade too early.

You know, it would have been more fun probably for him if 60s Newman was in the 70s and heading into the 80s. Cool hand, Luke, where do you guys stand on that one just in the... As just... Because we haven't really done any 60s movies, but... If we were going to do 60s movies,

that would be one of the first three. Like some of those films, I think it probably plays a little slow now. Like, last time I watched it, I was like, hi... It was a lot slow. Yeah, this guy's just really out there, you know, in the fields.

But I like a lot of his kind of like detective crime movies, like Drunning Pool and Harper and I feel like he's got a bunch of those. It was just a cool era where those guys, like I think the fact that he didn't have to really reckon with making Towering Inferno, 4 and 5, or there was no, like, what if Butch and Sundance lived?

Let's make another one. Like, he could just experiment a lot. And then lack of superhero movies means like he can just experiment with all these different genres without having to be like, yeah, now I've got to go play Iron Man for nine years, you know? In that Ethan Hawk documentary about him, the last movie stars, like long documentary

about him and Joanne Woodward, which is really interesting to watch. He also was like really benefited from the fact that Joanne Woodward was like this huge star in the 50s and 60s and won an Oscar. And then like their careers kind of shift where he becomes the guy over that time. Yeah. And you can see like he uses that flexibility to do a lot of cool stuff. Like he takes chances on directors. He makes really weird projects.

He starts this whole company. Like he is like a very adventurous person. Like he was also like super active for in the civil rights movement. You know, he's like a huge figure in American pop culture history. He has so many good. like subtle Paul Newman moments in this movie. Like just watching his face,

like when a, when killer goes out to fight that guy and they just show Newman and he's watching. Then he kind of looks, he notices the crowd and yeah, he's just doing a lie. It's weird. I don't even think he got nominated for this movie.

The moment when the guy, it's the first time they're at the bar in the beginning of the movie and the guy comes up to him and it's like, you guys got to fix the power play. And for a second he pretends to be drug. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, we'll work on it.

You know, and then it goes right back into talking. to Denny about, like, about Lily. It's just great, man. Yeah, so that that would have been the 78 Oscars. Like in retrospect, Dreyfus for the goodbye girl, Woody Allen Annie Hill, Richard Burton for,

what fuck is that movie? How do you pronounce that? Not looking at it. Equius. Equis. Equis. Equis. Not on my list.

That's another example what I'm talking about, though. That's a Sydney Louvette movie movie that comes like right after dog day afternoon. So like, were kind of, you know, just working. Just trying different stuff. Masteryani for a special day

and Tramota for a Saturday Night Pever. It's probably a great movie. Could have snuck Newman in there. But they got mixed reviews for this movie. Yeah, I mean, this is... Yeah, it's a comedy. It's a broad comedy.

This was the movie when I, when I first started dating Vibi, who would become my wife, like, and you know how you get like the cultural honeymoon where you can just be like, tonight we're going to watch this and your significant other

would be like, absolutely. Like, whatever, whatever. Sounds great, hon. I'm falling in love with you. Like, let's do it. Requiem for a dream. Sounds awesome. Slap shot was like the one I remember being like, let's watch this.

And she was like, sure, yeah, this is great. And she really liked it, but it was like, I would never get away with that again. Like, this is not like a little. Well, Newman, Newman buys some, some cashier with the, with the opposite side if they don't care about sports. Or the female characters in this movie, good. Yes. Yes. It's interesting questions.

Movie written by a woman. I really like the Lindsay Krause character, but I also really like. her as an actor. Yeah. I do too. I like Francine too. Jennifer Warren's really good in this. I think that's a cool. I mean, like there's only one scene really, two, two scenes. Now, it doesn't pass the Beck Dog test where it's like female characters not talking about men, but

it's also in 1977 and it's about hockey. Well, I mean, their role in the movie is they're hockey wives and hockey's in what that matters. They all hate it. They have a kind of independence by the end of the movie too, you know, especially Francine is like, sure, hon, you know, and then goes off on her own, lives her own life. and Han-R-Han's wife. And then we did it again, but I was sober.

It's one of the great monologues of the 70s. Oh, man. Well, Newman's just out of contend. This is my favorite Paul Newman movie of all of them. It's like, I mean, this has been done, but it's very rarely done as one of your best movies. But it's like if Daniel Day Lewis was in a Fairley Brothers movie or something, you know, where you're like, oh, the best actor of his generation is in a

goofy comedy. You know, it's not, it's hard to pull that off. The cast is really good. We'll get to that later. Michael Ankeen, just want to mention, I was a huge fan of the rookies as a little kid with Kate Jackson and George Stanford Brown and Michael Onkine. So this was like his push to become an actual movie actor. And he's really good in this movie. He's fantastic. I love Ned. Melinda Dillon, who was also in close encounters the same year, big year for her. We'll get to her later. He said knowingly.

This was a really kind of sneaky good loss of innocence 70s movie. For you? No, just in general, like the town's closing down. Yeah. It's adjacent to some other movies that come out over the late 70s, even like a movie like Deer Hunter. It's very similar. Not that far away.

It's also like where we had with all the right moves in 1983, which is set in the same place. It's kind of cool to watch all the people in this movie. You know, we now will be able to be. like, oh, you remember in this time of the NBA or that time of the NBA or we're like instantly nostalgic for inside the NBA or something. But like all the people in this movie are like, old time hockey, Eddie Shore. Like remember when it was like this? Remember when it was like that? And they're all losing their, they're sort of fastball. They're all getting older.

Yeah, like you said, this town is closing down. So there's a real like kind of like the quick fluidity of life and like how quickly it passes you by to this film. We've talked about this a few times, this specific theme about how they made movies like this in the 70s and 80s. But I don't feel like they make them in the same way with the aim of it being a big

movie but set in a small place with real people and kind of diving into a world. These are the kind of movies I grew up with and I don't know why they've stopped. They've just become indie, like super duper cheap indie movies basically now. Do you think the art of making a comedy

but shooting it like a drama and playing it like a drama has kind of been lost because that's what they did in the 70s. Like, MASH this, Bad News Bears even. MASH is a good. Bad news bears is a great example. You know, it's just like, we're going to make this thing. It's going to be so funny. But it's not going to look different than Serpico. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, you guys know, like the mainstream comedy features just been in crisis for 15 years and it's never been at a lower time. So the idea of like taking an artistic chance in a studio comedy

seems impossible right now. Don't you feel like, I mean, this comes from Nancy Dowd, who her brother was playing minor league hockey, and she spends a bunch of times. She moves to where he was playing, which was the Johnstown Jets. The team was for sale.

She ends up stealing a bunch of stuff that she saw, not stealing, but using for the script. Tape recorder in the locker room to get the rhythm of the dialogue. Can I be honest with you, though? This is actually something that really recommends the movie

No Hard Feelings to me, but you may laugh and be like, no hard feelings is a silly Jennifer The arts movie. But that movie is set in Montauk, and it's set in the non-summer time with the people who live in Montauk, which is a small town, ultimately,

and has gotten a lot bigger in the last 30 years. But it's kind of about that. It's about a young woman who doesn't know how to make money. She can't drive her Uber because she got into a car accident. She's trying to save her mom's house. It actually has very similar stakes. But that movie, when it came out, it was like, holy shit,

the one studio comedy we get this year. And it tried to do that. But you're right that in the 70s, it felt like there were 10 every year. Or even Bull Durham. that came from Ron Shelton. Like he played minor league baseball, this roller decks of memories he had in characters he saw.

And now it just feels like if you did a movie like this would be somebody that, you know, went to USC film school or went and it was like, I'm going to write a thing and read some books and then you write it. Or maybe, I don't know, maybe this was a specific error because I still think this is the best era ever for sports movies,

which is crazy. This is 50 years ago. Year for sports games. Well, yeah, it starts the longest yard in 74. And we've covered the bases with this, but Bad News Bears and Rocky in 76, rollerballs in 75, 77 as slap shot, North Dallas 40. We're just hitting. And then you have the goofier ones, too, like one-on-one and fast break and breaking training. But the Second Bad News Bears movie, all of those.

When's breaking away and-breaking away 79? Yeah. But this is the run. The 74 to the end of the 70s, this is when we made the best sports movies. And this is also when the best actors want to. to be in a sports movie. And wanted to be in comedies and wanted to be funny. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I think everybody, like, that's your childhood. Like, for me, my childhood is the 90s. And so I have, like, a much higher affinity for, like, above the rim, blue chips, you know, the cost for movies. Why don't make can't jump? You know, like, those movies, for me, those are my favorites because those are the ones that I was first exposed to.

But the thing that these movies have that those don't really have as much as, like, these movies are very unsafe. They're just like, we are really living on the. edge of the kind of joke that we're going to make. Like, even in White Man Can't Jump, which is a quote unquote raunchy movie. Like, there's nothing even close in that movie to what's going on in this movie with just the way that the guys are talking. Yeah.

And I think that the thing that I noticed this time around, I mean, I was going to save this for later, but just as like, strangely, it's a pretty sensitive movie and it's a pretty human movie. Like, a lot of the times there will be what we would probably call homophobic language. And then next thing, like, Paul Newman's like, hey, I'm sexually liberated. I love it. Do whatever. Yeah, yeah.

George Roy Hill. Goldman wrote, our guy, William Goldman, he wrote it was the most underrated director of the last 30 years. He wrote that in the 2000s. He, a couple George Royhill tidbits from Goldman. George Rayhill once told me this. Audiences love how to. When I asked what he meant, he explained that if you're going to say crack a safe,

audiences would be interested in the problems involved in really doing it. I believe Hill was right. So smart. And then the other thing he said, George Ray Hill once said that if you can't tell your story at an hour 50, you better be David Lean. I will go to my grave agreeing with that. Of course, Slapshot's two hours.

But the hour 50 test, I always thought it was an hour 40, but yeah, it's somewhere. Slapshot is also one of those movies where you forget there's like another 15 minutes after the Syracuse game, the last Syracuse game. You're like, oh, yeah, they're going to do the parade and he's going to talk to Francine again.

He drags it out a little bit. But he did. Butch Cassidy, that put him on the map is a phenomenon. The sting, he wins best picture, best director.

Great Waldo Pepper, which didn't do that well, but I think is a respected mid-70s movie. Yeah, fun one. Slapshot. Little Romance,

which has Olivier in it and the young Diane Lane and made her a star. World of Card in a garp, which we're going to be doing on the rewatchables probably this year. And then Funny Farm, a movie that I absolutely loved.

Chevy Chase, yeah. But his movies have a, Pacific feel. It's almost like you know it's a George Roy Hill movie. It's always like wide. You always see all the people involved in the scene. He's not cutting

back and forth. He's just kind of setting the scene at all times and there's like these distinct characters and you just feel like you're in a place. You know what I mean? It kind of feels like it's just put Paul Newman in a documentary about a minor league hockey team. I mean like all the faces, all the extras, all the

life in fictional Charlestown where they're, you know, like you get the feeling like you're like, oh, this is the real square. He can see Francine come out of the beauty salon. He's going to run over there and pretend like he didn't notice her. Like, it just feels very lived in and very real in a way that it's hard to, I think it's very difficult for them to make movies like this now because they're shooting everywhere for like tax purposes and like kind of everything looks the same.

And I don't know. But yeah, he has a sort of realness and humanity that I always respond to. You can see why he and Paul Newman were so. Sympatico because they had very similar careers where he starts out in theater and live TV and he's with like Sydney Lumet, John Frankenheimer, that whole generation of guys.

And those guys are a little older than the like Scorsese De Palma, like that class of guys, but they're making movies at the same time. So they went through the paces of like, you know, he made thoroughly modern Millie in Hawaii, George Royale.

Those are huge studio movies, musicals, like the stuff that if you were a for hire director in the 60s, that's the stuff you did. And then in like, 71, 72, 73, Hollywood starts to break up and then young guys get a chance,

but somebody like him knows how to adapt inside of that and also put his arms around somebody like Paul Newman or Redford and be like, we have cool ideas for movies, like let's grab William Goldman, let's do this, let's do that. And then all of a sudden, somebody who seemed like could have just been a studio hack, honestly, if things hadn't broken the right way,

then goes on this 15-year run of like every movie or like, that's a George Roy Hill movie. Yeah. I think of him like along with Hal Ashby kind of a little bit where it's just like, this guy just got people yeah yeah well he's smart he always had big stars in his movies the uh oscar speech that he gives which i watched after he won this thing it's a great speech i would encourage people to watch it it's not that long he passes the buck to everybody else and it's like you know make a movie like this and you're lucky enough to have a casting director like so-and-so and blah blah and then you're lucky enough

to have her say you got to get robert shaw and and then you're lucky enough to get you're lucky enough you have huge stars like Newman and Redford, like, my job's easy. And then he just walks off. Yeah. People are like, oh, good speech. Yeah. But he just gets it. At the end of Adventures in the Screen Trade, he has that, like, testimonial section

where he interviews all the people he's worked with, Goldman. And there's like a George Roy Hill section in that, George Roy Hill is basically like, if you have a good script and you have a good cast, the worst possible movie you can make is still pretty good. He's like, but the directing is not what's going to change. He's like, if you have a bad script, it's not very likely that the director's going to be. He was very ego-free at a time when, like, the cult of the director was really rising in America. And I think that that served him well.

Nancy Dowd. So she goes in, she doesn't rip off what's happening with the Johnstown Jets, but just grabs a bunch of it. But the Hanson brothers are playing on the Johnstown Jets. And, of course, leading the team in penalty minutes. And so that light bulb goes off. And then they had Dave Killer Carlson was based on a guy Dave Killer Hansen, who was on that team as well. So she's just doing this.

$6 million budget made $28 million. Not bad. So I couldn't find an Ebert review, but multiple reports say that there was a Cisco and Ebert show in 77 where they initially both gave bad reviews to the movie. I saw Siskel definitely killed it. He's like, oh, and then I saw it again a couple weeks later

realized it's a classic. Yeah, so both of them belatedly were like, we regret how we felt about this. this movie. So it's one of those. So it's not a it's not a fuck you, Raj, but it's, Rogers on watch for this one. Somebody put up a chart, charticle from like a old newspaper story that was like Gene Schallett and Rex Reed and Ebert and a bunch of people. And it was all these questions like, where do you sit in the movie theater? How many movies do you see a week? I did that. I put that on the rewatchable speed. Yeah. And then Cisco, Ebert's seen 20 movies a

week. That's crazy. Like he's going to miss a haunted fantasy about that. Is that crazy or is that normal. No, but you're going to miss, like, sometimes you're going to be like, eh, that was all right, I got to go. Like, that's not going to, you're not going to be like slap shot. I am on it, you know? Well, I thought a lot about the Sispo thing, because I think about this, I'm like, it's too much work to try to

see every, like, big movie that we would cover on big picture twice. But in a lot of cases, I try, because you just, you miss stuff. You know, you don't, or you don't understand what the intention is or the marketing sold you on something that it wasn't, and then you're better, you can better understand it

if you see it a second time. Now, sometimes if you see it the second time, you're just like more open to things that maybe most audience members are not going to be open to on first watch, so you're not adequately representing that point of view. The Pauline Kale review is the best review of this movie. Because she's like... I have it. This movie, like, kind of is evil, but also great. You know, she's like, this is kind of what dudes really

want. And here we are, like, 40 years later, being like, this is what dudes want, you know? Can I please bartending Johnstown? Is that 8-8 hours of deleted seats? She wrote, I don't know that I've ever seen a picture. are so completely geared to giving the public what it wants with such an antagonistic feeling behind it. He'll get you laughing, all right,

but he's so grimly determined to ram entertainment down your throat that you feel like a strassbar goose. But then she said Newman had the best performance of his life to date. Yeah. Pauline, good hang or bad hang? Brilliant writer. Truly, truly brilliant writer.

Probably would have changed this take if she had seen American culture in 2024. Yeah. Like, oh, it turns out slap shots pretty subtle. So it's Deadpool and Wolverine versus Slapshot. We are going to take a break and then go through the categories. The playoffs are here and you can predict the action all the way to the finals with Fandul Predicts. Follow all the playoff dishes, swishes, wishes, wishes, and misses.

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All right, most rewatchable scene. I got to put the opening scene on this with Jim Carr and Denny. Yeah. Fixing the mic. So funny. With his toupee. Dennis the goalie explaining penalties. Two minutes in the box, you feel shame, and then you get free.

And there's a penalty for that? Yeah. And for a trip also, you know, like that, and for hook like this, and for spear, you know, like that. All bad. You do that, you go to the box, you know, two minutes by yourself, and you feel shame, you know. And then you get free. when you watch this movie 40 times, you then find Jim Carr at the end of that interview going,

I thought that went quite well. I still say that to myself. Whenever we have like a just bad interview on the watch, I'm like, I thought that went quite well. I love how smoothly he starts the segment while still fixing the microphone. That's just a genius little touch on that scene. Yeah, that's a really good trick where you become more invested

in him fixing the microphone than anything else happened. Also, anybody who didn't, I mean, Even if you grew up in New York, L.A., like, you just had a guy for, like, your entire childhood was, like, literally the only sportscaster. It was just like, I'm here interviewing the NFL coach, the hockey coach. I'm decomposing on air right now. I do the sports highlights, and then I have, like, the, like, my take two-minute segment, you know? Like, it's fucking so great.

I don't want to be mean, but we definitely had one in Boston. It goes right from that to the crowd and the people coming out, and it's like, Reggie Dunlop. Dunlap you stay. Ned Braden, I hate you, Braden. Then France, you pussy! And they show a national anthem, and then we get the drunk guy saying,

don't check me, I'm going to piss all over myself. This is all in the first five minutes. What is happening in this movie? It's so good. Nobody just yanks you in a world like this movie does. It's so much better than here's Rudgee Dunlapin. Here's what he does, and here's who he is. It's like it just drops you right into the world.

And then one of the things that, you know, it's almost a wood's age. or worse, but watching it the first time, I'm sure people are like, can Newman skate? Are they going to use like a stunt double, and he's just doing it? Like, he looks like a real athlete. You never think about it once. You never think about any of those guys being actors on the...

On King, you can tell, is pretty good. Good, yeah, yeah. But, yeah. What position was Reg in this movie? Feels like... I think he was a forward, because he was in Ankeen's line, right? Like, I thought he was, like, a forward with... It seems like he's a wing, but then there's other times

where it seems like he's playing defense. Doesn't he take the face off at the beginning of the movie? Yeah, he's kind of. kind of all over the place. Yeah. I don't, I think he's a forward, but there's other times

when I don't know where he's supposed to be, but Reg meets the Hanson brothers. At the bus station. And then complains to Joe. They fight a Coke machine. He finds their toy cars. He says,

I'm going to say a bad word. Is, you crazy? Those guys are retards. And then the Eddie Shore masturbator story happens. And, uh, He's to set himself to the penalty box. Strother Martin is having a lot of fun in this movie. He's really hamming it up.

I was coaching in Omaha in 1948, and Eddie Shore sends me this guy as a terrible masturbation, you know, couldn't control himself. He would get deliberate penalties so he could get into the penalty box all by himself and damned if he wouldn't. Everyone, hanging in the hotel room.

This is when Han-R-Han's wife calls. Oh, yeah. But they're watching TV. The goal is making the trade demands. They're telling me right fucking now. They're watching the jackpot bowl. Ten bucks, he says, he says, all the guys at work.

Why can't you bet on shit like that on Vandul? One of the things I love about this movie and the time it captures is just how important daytime TV was. Yeah. And just these stupid shows because there was nothing. they were just odd. That's why people watch soap operas and stupid game shows.

When they're watching the soap opera in the bar, and they're just like, she's doing that to make him crazy. But everyone is watching it. The whole bar. It seems unrealistic now in 2024, but that's really what it was like.

I would just love to be able to bet on like a Jeopardy contestant telling a story about their cat. I'm like, there's a cat story coming up here. You know, like... The regs taunting hand-ran,

some bad language. here. Can we just break the seal and do it? It's one of the funniest. Break which sale, which part? Just say, he goes, Hamerhan, Suzanne sucks pussy.

Han Ran! Suzanne sucks pussy! Say, what? Heard's so mad. He's just, they're pulling him off. His eyes are rolling back in his head. It's weirdly more subtle than that, though,

because he does one lap, but he's just like, Hanahan! Just to, like, get his attention, and then he comes back around and he drops one line. And then he comes back around. drops another line.

It's really funny. My favorite part is when fucking Han-R-R-Han takes the mask off, he looks exactly like you would imagine Han-R-Han to look. Like, he's a balding psycho. And you mentioned the Newman faces and the cutaway is the cutaway

to his face right before Han-R-Han tackles him is incredible. So funny where he's like... Right. And then he dives over the boards to get him again. I'll kill you. It's so fucking funny.

Reg ropes Dave into becoming killer Dave, which is a classic Newman thing. And then he's doing the locker of speech. Dave's a killer. Somebody's a game's a mess. Leading to,

okay, show us what you got to the Hansons. Yeah, I mean, this is the most rewatchable stretch of the movie. It's also one of the most best, greatest sports movie sequences of all time. I was watching this with noise-canceling headphones on my TV last night, and when the puck hits

the organist, I think I sounded like I had just taken like Amel nitrate poppers or something. I was just like crying with laughter because I'd forgotten. that that happens and then it pays off again later when the organist says the fucking helmet off. The one that always kills me is when one of the Hansen's dives over the dead tries to swing the stick

to hit the guy behind the dead. Wait, why were you watching this with noise-canceling headphones on? I just was like trying it out. I'm not watching this again, motherfucker. Would you go Great Shot Gordo Award? Most cinematic shot for the three Hansens hitting the guy and then the shot from behind the boards of the guy slowly sinking?

this hand on the I have a different one but all the like there's a bunch of those hands and shots I feel like the national anthem shot when it's the on the refs face and you can see the three Hansons behind him that's my favorite the uh as they're wreaking havoc they got to one of the guys on the bench and he's like these guys are a fucking disgrace I just love the Hansons um next one pregame brawl and Peterborough the skate around the first time when they kind of He gets them again. This is the on list of the fucking song. Too much. Too soon. Is this the guy when the Hansons get hit by the keys?

The keys. And they're just beating the shit out of everybody. So this was two years before the Bruins went in the stands at MSG. And this actually happened in real life. I couldn't help thinking about the palace in the palace while watching this. I was like, holy shit. This actually did happen in basketball game. the McCrack and Dunlop stick fight

not killer killer killer yeah McCrack and Carlson stick fight and then on the bench Ned punches Reg and he goes up oh their interaction he crashes the announcer booth he's like we win because I score goals bullshit we win because I make them crazy then he goes up and he gets in a fight with our guy Jim Carr I made me ball but we stopped my chicken shit

Ned, what's a young man of your background still doing playing professional hockey? I hate my father. Isn't his son's like, is that so? And he's like, that's what I said, right? Annette, tell me, why would someone with your family background and education still be playing hockey? I hate my father. Oh, you do?

I just do. I'm having a lot of problems at home. We are? I just said I was, didn't I? The Syracuse intros for the final game. Clarence screaming Buffalo Swamp Town. I'll never an exclusive interview

which swapped out revealed that he calls his hockey stick the big tomahawk and he usually refers to the opposing prayers as the little scalp

they show him the next one Andre Poodle Luciet defense and as you know in Libyan semi seclusion

in northern Quebec ever since the unfortunate that he prat tragedy do you think you just killed a guy on the ice and it was like I had it

on answer most like he definitely murdered somebody during a game yeah there's no question I don't know if it was unfortunate. Where would this movie be without Jim Car?

Honestly. He does so much work. This young man has had a very trying rookie season with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada, and that country's refusal to accept him.

And don't sleep on Gilmore Tittle. And from Mile 40, Saskatchewan, where he now runs a donut shop. Manching at donuts from that guy? Who's the guy who also has a lawyer? He always said, Like, he's like,

Sam's the first guy. Yeah. And then the final bench growing bra would be the last one. Anything else you would have for a rewatchable stance? I mean, the Reg and Suzanne in the embed talking about their lives is pretty great. And then I have a bunch of Lily scenes just because I think she's a dynamite girl. I love the showdown with Anita with Catherine Walker when he goes to her house,

you know, and he's like, you're fucked. You know, like, right? Well, we all have the same rewatchable scene, right? The Hansen's being unleashed. What stage is the best? Hockey footage is incredible. Kudos to George Roy Hill. It looks great.

I don't know how they pulled this off in 1970. They're shooting this in 1976, how they had on the ice, having it look like this. It seems like way ahead of the game. Great, like constantly pulling back, doing the wide shot of the rink, and then close-ups, and then action. In all three settings, you're like, wow. This game is happening.

Because they didn't have the steady cam at this point, did they? No, I think they had a guy on skates. It seems like it. Fucking nuts. No helmets really helps this movie, too. That's the wood's age the best. Yeah. I have a bunch of them.

What do you have, CR? Calling arenas the war memorial. I just think, like, all arenas should just be called, like, something like very basic. Yeah. It's just like, why all the Costco Wells Fargo stuff is just such a bummer when you just hear them, go, come on down with a war memorial on Saturday. us first the owners. The idea of like this

kind of scrappy fuck it we do it ourselves is basically the plot of major league in a lot of ways. So that that has always been a great sports trope. I mean it's like a of that guy and girl cavalcade and a lot of people's like first second or third movies that you would see over and over Spoozy Kurtz type Paul Mooney.

Yeah. M.M. at Walsh. Yeah. You know, even Michael Onkeen. Like he hadn't really. done a ton up until this point. Right. Catherine Walker.

I have a Newman's leather fur jacket. Which apparently, my friend Rob Mills, somebody had made for him and gave it to him as a birthday gift. Because he loved the Slap Shot thing.

Rob Mills has the Newman, a version of the Newman jacket. I also, could you pull that off even? I don't think so. Unless I lived in like a cold town, no. Well, it's mink around the sides, right? But then it's like a long leather. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. And then the all-brown leather leather leisure suit is spectacular. When are those coming back? It actually, you can hear it crunching in the scene with the owner. Is that why people don't wear those anymore? Because they're so uncomfortable and unwieldy? I think that there's a bunch. I mean, I also think it must be so hot to wear that thing.

Can you imagine? No. It's like wearing like a fire-retarded suit. Yeah. I have a terrible awkward local sports interviews, which you mentioned earlier. The Jim Car, like every town had Jim Car. It's just the fact. Lindsay Krauss and Newman together five years before the verdict.

Yeah. I wanted to be a nurse. Who are these men? Francie and the ex-wife, just the classic 70s milf. I'm going to say it. Okay. Good enough. Just classic.

Just a specific look for that decade that I don't think, like, you would not see that person anymore. If somebody just walk through the hallway wherever. How old do you think Reg is? And how old do you think Francine is? So I'm going to say Reg is probably like 40, 41. And Francine, you could give me any number from 35 to 50. Yeah.

I feel like isn't she also the actress who plays her, Jennifer Warren? Isn't she also the milf in night moves, the Hackman movie? And she's mentally Griffith's mom. Yeah. She's in a bunch of stuff. She had a good career. I want to shout out for what's age the best. Just how funny it is, the guy threatening to expose himself at the fashion show because they don't put stuff in movies like that anymore.

I'm going to whip it out, Joe. I want to give you a heart attack. Everything in that scene is unrepeatable, but is amazing. Well, and then the punchline is he goes off and then you just hear people screaming in horror. All the handsome moments we mentioned. What's Age the Best? The Deep Throat Meatball double feature marquee. So Meatball was a Harry Reams porn movie.

I'd search for that. My iPad shot after the last... You went hunting for it. After fast times, I'm done. When I search premature ejaculator movie... You don't like Russian Google coming up. Yeah, it's done. You won't go into incognito on Chrome.

That's the CR trick. Deep throat and meatball. Do you pick one or the other? You just like, I'm going to bang on both of them. For Sean, yeah, you know, he's trying to see everything twice. I like to, yeah, really get into the text of the film, see what they were going for. I really like when Reg runs into McCracken's team after the bounty. Oh, yeah.

And McCracken walks up to him. He's like, Dunlop, you suck cock, and then just turns around. And he goes as much as I can get. Hi, McCracken. Dunlop, you suck cock. Oh, I can you get. We mentioned Slapshot was filmed in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. One of two sports films over seven years span, the other being Tom Cruise,

all the right moves. And if you watch all the right moves, knowing that this is also where they did slap shot, it's pretty funny. It's a big pivotal scene at the end with the coach. You remember when he tells him off

and the coach falls him out. Hey, Georgia Vic! It's like right basically where the parade was. Ask yourself this. Could Tom Hanks have played that part? Probably not. I don't think so. Top three.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Why do you think Pennsylvania is like the center for all these dying towns and all these movies in this time period? to film it. But it's also like, people really care about sports in that state.

You know, like that is the idea basically like, hey, for nine months of a year, it's like this is the only to matter. But I think they're trying

to make it seem like like Charlestown was in New England somewhere. When I put the movie on today, I was like, is this in Massachusetts? It was in the synopsis. It said a New England town.

Yeah. So I think, I think they try to make it because they're playing like hyana sport. Syracuse. They're all in like the Massachusetts.

Eastern Seward there. So I don't think it's supposed to be Pennsylvania. It's as I had, which is the worst, but it would be like nine hour bus rides to go play hockey. It would be tough, you know. I have a bad 70s daytime TV shows. My favorites that they showed were the Hawaiian showcase, the soap opera and the bar,

which sounds crazy, but it would be, and then bowling, like just people watching bowling. We used to have Saturday bowling in Massachusetts. It's still on TV, right? It was a huge show hosted by Don Gillis. Yeah, and it's just like the idea of being basically, like, that's it. Like, you can't also look at Instagram. You know what I mean?

Like, it would just be like, I'm just watching bowling. What else are you going to do? Schmitz beer? Yeah. I think I always thought that was a fake beer because of the SNL sketch. The Schmidt's Gay, which is one of the funniest sketches. She has a lot in common with the slap shot, honestly. The super horny inappropriate teammate is a permanent one's his image.

Here's all that gorgeous snatch. FLA. Can we hire that guy for the rigor? No, I think even on sports teams, you would be an HR violation. Moe is canceled many times over. The tongue, the barmaid, as soon as I walked in,

she was rubbing up against me. Paul Myel. Can we add him to the win-chicketts category? Mo. Is he on Barrett and Mayo's quarter? Yeah, sure. So we'll have Mo weigh in on before sunrise. So another

What Sage is the best. The guy in the hockey team who won't fight This was such a huge thing in the 70s Our guy in the Bruins was Peter McNabb And it's like you fucking chicken shit Drop the gloves, McDab fucking loser Everyone else is fighting I feel like it's a pretty accurate representation

Of like the star who has all the enforcers around Like the Gretzky you know Having the body guy who would protect him And the characterization of Ned Is like this guy who's gone to college could get a job with his dad or his wife's dad, but instead is just like, I'm going to while away in the Federal League

or wherever they're playing, you know, and just, it's such, so no perfect. It went two ways because we had Rick Middleton, too, who also didn't fight, but it was like,

he was just this awesome offensive player. You wouldn't have wanted him to fight. Yeah. But McNabb was big. Like, Gretzky, you would have wanted to fight. There were certain guys, so maybe Ned Braden was in that.

I felt like they were trying to make him seem like that. Are you a big, wrenpy guy? Or you're an Islanders fan, right? An Islander's fan, yeah. What's age the best, mega mooning and hyenas port. Just the concept of mooning and movies.

It's just always the lovers. I think this is in the running for best moon ever. We had one recently on the show. There was one where we were like, that's a great one. That's a great one. Is there an officer and a gentleman? Is there a mooning in that one?

Yeah. Yeah. And then last one at least for me, Melinda Dillon, who took my movie breast virginity in 177. Movie breast virginity. Yeah, I did this. That is a series on Ringer movies on YouTube.

I may have done this in a mailbag once upon a time. Are you going to do breast pyramid? Well, there's a certain generation. I just have a couple of people, depending on what your age was. But this is 70s, 80s. This is really good content. Lacey Underall and Caddyshack, we talked about her. The girl who came out of the bathtub in room 217 and turned to an old woman in the Shining.

Yeah, yeah. That might have been your first one. 237, but yeah. 237. Han Rand's ex-wife The girls' blue-dough was eyeing in the animal house The faceless, topless girl in airplane

Yeah Phoebe Cates and Fast Time We talked about that last week Jamie Lee Curtis in Trading Places Linda Hamilton and Terminator Apollonian and Purple Rain And Terry played by Joyce Heiser

And just one of the guys There's a 10-year stretch Where your first nudity experience in a movie was probably one of those people, unless you want to also throw an Apollonia Corleone if it was the godfather. Or the three-boobbed woman in total recall.

That's later. That was a safe for me. I'm going mid to late 70s through like early 80s for a whole generation. It was one of those actresses. I would put Rosie Perez and do the right thing on that list too. That's later. That's late 80s.

That's another. But you go late 80s to 90s, that's a completely, now we're moving into a completely different list of people. Rosie Perez and white man can jump. You're only talking about your experience. I'm just saying 70s and 80s. I agree.

We can go with a whole, that's the thing. Everyone, like, for some people, Shane Elizabeth and American Pie, it was like, that was my first. You're negating me in Sean's sexual awakenings. No, you guys had a different, but who else was in your generation? Rosie Perez is a good one.

That's a good one. I'm trying to think of, Joyce Seater in just one of the guys is a big one of the movie's on cable all the time when I was a kid. I'm trying to think of what we're like, I mean, basic instinct is a huge one. Obviously, Sharon Stone.

She takes her, well, I mean, go into detail. Yeah, but in total recall, she also gets naked, right? I don't think so. I don't think so. I think I would have remembered that. Yeah. I think out of all these. I mean, Demi Moore.

She had a couple of moments. Demi more and had a few. Yeah. I think out of all of these, the worst case scenario for your first time was the Shining. Yes. Like, if that was your first nude scene in a movie and this beautiful woman gets out of a bathtub and you're like, oh, my God, it's my first. nude scene and then Jack's hugging her and then she turns into a disgusting old woman

with skin coming and that's the first time you've had a nude experience, you're probably going to be traumatized. Can I tell you I'm in the middle of an 800 page book about the making of the Shining right now? It's a fucking amazing book. Who wrote that? It's Lee Unkrich who's the director of several Pixar movies and he's been obsessed with the

Shining since he was a kid. God. And so he just basically like negotiated with the Kubrick estate but I haven't gotten to the part where he talks about how he was traumatized by that lady getting out of his tub. What are you going to do when it's like, I talk to Bill Simmons? You're the voice? Yeah, you're the expert on that sequence. People who are obsessed by The Shining is its own subculture of humans.

Totally. Crazy. I mean, the book is crazy. Like nut jobs. All right. The Dent of Thieves, Benny Hano where it's scene stealing location. I really like downtown, not really Charlestown. But I also like when they pull in a hyenas port with that rotary when they're doing the moons,

like whatever that is. What else would you go with there? I have Reg's place. it is such a bachelor pad and you know he's still like the light is still on he's got to put the landline in the drawer to get it to stop ringing

the couch is the bed yeah yeah the kid Cudy Pursuit happiness where Best Needle drop is clearly Ned's wife flying in with the blue band when Fleetwood Max ran in his playing this movie has multiple Fleetwood Max songs and Elton John sorry seems to be the hardest word

and I think they had like a lot of problems clearing that like they would rep, they put different songs on it like on different cable broadcasts because they couldn't clear. Yeah, I remember that. So you don't think right back where we started from is the needle drop? I had that in a different category.

I know, but where is the needle drop? It's there so often it almost becomes not a needle drop. They play it like five times. I think it's probably at the beginning when it first plays and you're like, oh, this is the theme of the movie. But I mean, that song, like,

I think this is still true. But when I was a kid in Nesma, I'll see him, if the Islanders won, they would just play that song. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Big Hoon and Burger Award, best use of food and drink. Schmidt's beer is great, but I really like the use of flasks. I know Chris Ryan's a flask guy. It's also intense that she's like, I'm drinking from a flask at a bar. That's what Lily's doing, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, do you want a beer with that?

Yeah. Which is Girlfriend Award Weeklink of the film. Very curious to hear your response to this. Why don't you go first? I don't really have one. It's not Lily. I have the strip teas, I'm fine. I don't I have a better idea for it later

whatever it's it's a gimmick I don't like the sudden forfeit it's always bothered me for 47 years tough way to lose the finals like the most 70s part of this movie is like they're like we're not just going to have them win or lose like we're going to have this like kind of weird exotic theatrical ending

I think that strip tease is kind of a stroke of genius because of how unique it is the forfeit though it feels like you get cheated out of a great sports movie moment it might even hold it back from being the sports movie because there's no exultation. There's no like, oh God, yes. Finally, my team won, which like so many much worse movies give you that feeling.

I also don't know why it's a forfeit. Tim McCracken's just mad at the ref, he hits the ref, just throw Tim McCracken out of the game. Yeah. Keep it going. The game's over? Yeah. There's a couple of things that defies sports logic. What's age the worst?

What would the extender have thought of that, you know? I wouldn't have an idea. He's not an idea. He's not an idea. a slap shot, just a lot of mutilation all over the place. I think I've ever seen it on cable. They used to do this thing in the Melinda Dillon scene

where they would just like basically make the bottom part of the screen dark. So you couldn't see anything. Yeah. So then if you're watching when you're 15, you're like, you're just like standing high to see like over the darkness. Yeah. You can see through the darkness. Even that scene, which took your breast virginity,

your movie breast virginity. Yeah. It's still weirdly kind of ordinary, you know? She's just like, She's really good in that scene. It's not like va-va-voom, you know? Like that's not the point of the scene. Yeah, it's like her having like a real character moment.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is so funny because like then the next scene, he's like, Suzanne sucks pussy. Right. But like, you know that that's like a human being with like, and hand-or-hands just like a piece of shit. Newman's really good in that scene too.

He's just kind of milking the information out of her. But she's like, do you want to hear about it? And she's like, no. But everything he says when he's like laying on her stomach where he's just like, women's bodies are beautiful, men's body. I don't know. I just see cocks all day long. Maybe I'll sleep with the old goalies.

Who knows? What's age is the worst? Linda Dillon ends up as the mom in a Christmas story. Yeah. Yeah. It's just kind of bizarre that it was Han Rand's. Among other things. Hand's wife.

It was just funny that. It's like, wait, that's Han Rand's wife. Universal offered Steve Carlson, Jeff Carlston, and David Hanson, the spin-off to be the Hanson brothers again. They said no. You know that's true? They say it's true. and it's a little dubious.

I got my doubts on that. They would say no. They would say no. They would be the stars of your own movie and they were like, I'm good. I want to keep running this ice rink in Pennsylvania. Plus they eventually did slap shot too in 2002, which we all pretended. Never happened.

Mentioned the tough language in this movie. So this is really just for me and people my age. But Dave Killer Carlson, that guy, Jerry Houser, playing him. A couple years later played Marsha Brady's husband in the Brady Bunch TV movies, which they kept doing. They kept doing reigning movies and he was Marsha Brady's husband. Oh, yeah. And it was

like, that's Dave Killer Carlson. Like, you can't be like Mike Brady's son-in-law. This is too weird. Yeah. Putting a bounty on an opponent has aged the worst because of Greg Williams kind of ruined it. We had Bounty Gate, the Saints. You miss when we had Bounties?

Do you kind of sort of wish it could... Kind of like the idea of, hey, I kind of like the idea of Hey, $100. Like funny Ryan definitely did that. Yeah. Who that still in the NBA playoffs would have the highest bounty on their head right now? T.J. McConnell. No.

No, it would have to be a star player. And take out T.J. Just get rid of that guy. The guys from the departed are about to take T.J. To the fucking Rhineland airport. Hey, T.J. Yeah. I hate playing against him, but I have a lot of respect for him.

This is just the what stage is the worst. Just the sentence I'm about to read. In 1998, Maxim magazine named Slapshot, the best guy movie of all time. It's the most Maxim's, sentence. Yeah. In 1998, that really mattered to a lot of people. The most guy movie of all time.

By Maxim Magazine. Yeah. And then I mentioned Slapshot 2 breaking the ice 2002, but we also had Slapshot 3, the Junior League in 2008, and the Hanson Brothers were in both. That was one of my first efforts. Rough Lohan and Rubenac Partridge. Wait, I have a couple worst. Oh, you didn't tell me. Just at a certain point, the bus driver has a swastika on his helmet that he's

driving around in, probably take that one back. I didn't notice that, really? Yeah. And then also, this is kind of sad, but capturing the spirit of the thing as a sports writer has kind of gone out of favor now. Like, you're just, do you know what I mean? There's not a lot of Dickie Dunn columnists anymore. I don't know. I disagree. I feel like this is still kind of in the, like, what's age the best territory. It's, I love that kind of writing. But, I mean, Sean read every Nick's column by Mike Baccaro. I still do. But,

I feel like the I'll publish whatever you tell me era of journalism is like going really strong right now. That's true. So I think that any examples? I don't, you know, I'm going to cast any aspersions. But let's just say the information era. You think the Dickie done would be like Mark Bartlestein from Excel Sports told me? Yeah. You know, like what Reggie's doing is something that, you know, a lot of our star players and agents are doing all the time.

The only other thing about Dickie that I wanted to mention is what's days the worst is his parenting style. where the little girl is like Dad, he called me a pussy and then change the channel. He's just like, go back in that room. Rough-low Hannah Rubik Partridge overacting word. How about old guy McGrath

at the end of Strother? You're losing. We're losing. They're marrying us. He really dows. It's on any shore. We're losing. We're losing.

Gamework, guys. They're burying us alive. Eddie sure? Oh, piss on any sure. Old time hockey. Piss on old time hockey. You're ruining it. I like that part.

I love Strother Martin. But he's playing. I just had Brad Sullivan. I had Mo. Every line delivery. Was there a better title for this movie? No way. I had old time hockey.

That was the only other alternative I had. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? the hockey wife, Swazzy Kurt, saying, I only drink in the afternoon or before a game or when Johnny's away. I don't know. I just enjoyed that. I like that scene in the car. The first of a dozen parts that she plays,

just like that character. I mean, there's 70, all the memorable quotes, we don't need to rip through because everyone knows who they are. Nunes kiss off to the owner is my quote. It's a tough one. What do you have for the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to stake a word? I think it's honestly what I alluded to earlier,

which is that for as, as, as, as, as, as, the dialogue and the language in this movie is, I think for the most part,

it also, like, reckons with it. So, like, the Suzanne thing is, like, a really good example of, like, even though he's screaming,

your wife's a dyke at the goalie, like, Suzanne actually gets, like, a scene. Like, you actually, like, have this, like,

balance to the language. And for the most part, I think, like, even the times when they're throwing around the, the F word, like, he's like,

hey, but, but I love it. Like, it's okay. I'm sexually liberated. You know, like, there's like a, kind of like a realness to it in that way.

Well, and the other thing is the whole job of this movie, she's trying to provide a snapshot of what life was like in this minor league team in the mid-70s. This is how they talk. That's it. That's it. It's not in what's age the worst.

Like, obviously, we don't talk like that anymore. But this is definitely what guys talked like in a locker room. So do you have a hottest take? Because I have a good one. I don't. I think this movie is better in the final game.

If Ned sees his wife all dolled up looking good, and he jumps off the bench instead of doing the strip tease, he skates over to McCracken and fights him, wins the fight. They settle the brawl, and then they come back and win the game and have some sports movie ending. But you want Ned to sell out? Because that's his principles, you?

I think he beats the hell out of McCracken. He buys into what the team, to the violence piece. It's a complete opposite of what the ending is, but, and then we just get a traditional sports movie, Ned body checks Nick when he's drunk. Yeah. And makes him piss himself so that they win the game. And so he is like engaged in a little bit of like,

of the dark arts there. Totally. He's not, he's not totally moral. I just think it's a more fun, rewatchable movie if that's, and then we get the traditional sports movie ending. Isn't it kind of crazy how it is persisted though without giving you that moment? I get it. I'm just saying that's, that's why it's a hottest take. I guess the one, the hottest take thing I was thinking about was that it's the rare

movie that we always complain about sequels, but I would have very happily watched them go to Minnesota. Yeah. Part two. Casting what ifs? One of the best ones, I think, ever in 337 movies. Out Puccino wanted to play Reggie Dumb up, but

George Rayhill chose Newman. How would they have done that? Would they have had a rink that was like half of it was lower so that they could shoot up on Pacino and make him look like he wasn't 5'4? I'm skating again! You gotta wind up with a cock in your mouth. I had a meeting with the Hanson brothers

half an hour ago. I knew you got a sip. I'm trying to spit up. Water. So, originally all three Carlson brothers were supposed to be in the movie, but then the third one got called up by Edmonton for the WHA playoffs.

and they had to make Dave Hansen become Jack, the third brother, and they hired my guy Jerry Houser to be Dave Killer Carlson. And poor Jack Carlson had to be in the WHA playoffs. Pre-Gretzky. This is in the research. This was according to the captain, Chief's captain, the guy who played Johnny Upton, that apparently Nick Nolte was trying, like, crazy to get the Ned Braden part.

But Ankin had been a star right wing at University of New Hampshire, got the part instead. Interesting, Nick Nolty time. He ends up doing North Dallas 40 instead. He'd just done Rich Man, poor man. He was about to become like one of the actors. And I think this song worked out this way. I completely agree.

I don't think they need Nick Nolte in this way. I told you guys that I watched North Dallas 40 right after this. He's so fucking good in that movie. And also like much more credible, I think is an NFL player than he would have been as like the Pretty Boy goal score. Yeah.

It's hard to imagine Nick Nolty being like, I won't do. fight for you. Yeah. Five years later, he's hanging out with Reggie Hammond. Yeah.

And he looks. Yeah. This sucks. Maniac gets a hold of my gun, runs around town, killing people. He got a lot older in that five years.

Yeah, he really, well, he had those who were hard five years. Best that guy award, would you go Swozy Kurtz or would you go Paul Mooney or somebody else? I got Eminem at Walsh.

Okay. Dooley is a good one, though. I have Dooley. I have Walsh or Dion. Okay. Really important Dion Wader's award. for best he check.

And I think we have to have some parameters. Okay. So the people who are in the movie the whole time but don't have a lot of dialogue like Mo, the Purve. And Johnny. The goalie. I feel like those are characters, right?

You can't. I love Deni, though. Every time the goalie is on screen, it makes me laugh. So I think those guys are off the table, which leaves us, is Jimmy Carr in the movie too much? He's got more lines of dialogue

than most of the members of the team. narrator of the movie. He's fucking hilarious in the movie, though. So we have a need of... He's not chicken shit. We have Anita of the team owner. We have the blonde Bucksome sisters who love Billy. Oh, yeah.

We have the hyanus port heckor. Oh, yeah. Where the fuck did they find that guy? Or you get anyone on Syracuse, including Tim McCracken. Dr. Hook, yeah. We haven't even said Oglethorpe yet. Or you get Oglethorpe, or you get the ref. who they finally scream,

you're almost in the fucking song because he's, the ref's in a bunch of stuff. I think it's Tim McCracken. I was going to say, I think Dr. Hook, yeah. He's only in a couple scenes.

He's super, like one of the scariest faces of all time. Do you read the Wolverine thing? Oh, they based Wolverine off of him? Yeah, they based the, you know,

the Logan. Do you think that was true? I don't know. I feel like this movie is way later than the creation of Wolverine, but I guess maybe in the 80s versions of the comics they did. But I was going to ask,

like, if there was a, guy in any era of hockey who is notorious for like his scalpel like precision with using his his stick that would be like wouldn't he be kicked out of hockey

it's minor league hockey yeah I don't know it feels like they're playing in a different universe he was played by Paul DeMato and sadly he died in February so let's give him DM well he had a hell of the face great 70s hairdo and just kind of frightening looking

recasting couch director city I don't have a lot of notes here but I do think they should have had a real life NHL enforcer from the mid-70s on the Syracuse team. Did you have a favorite guy? Well, I think Dave Schultz would have made sense because he was like the most famous

Broad Street bully but you could have John Wensink, you could have Gary Howitt like just somebody just coming in and being in Tucson. There was an Islander's guy in the Mike Bossy era. I can't remember who that was. Well, they had Clark Gillies. Yeah, yeah, Clark Gillies.

Bob Nystrom was the one you never wanted to fight, that he didn't want to fight that much. Tony Romer or Chris Collinsworth for the director's commentary. Oh, Mike. It's Clarence, what's his name? What's Clarence's his name? Swamptown.

Oh, Mike, Swamptown's here. He's got the... Clarence Screaming Buffalo Swap Town? He's got the Tomog. You got to love that. Mike, I just think Ogier Oglethorpe's a little miso understood. I just,

this guy loves hockey. He got turned away at the border, Mike, but he's back to play. Yeah, Canada didn't even want him, Mike. Yeah, it's got to hurt. She sucks, pussy's, Jim. Please make that. Um, nail.

Yeah, Robo would be good. Here come the hands says, Jim. Oh, God. They can have it, Jim. No penalties. Park hasn't even dropped yet, Jim. Let's, uh, we'll take a break. We'll do half-ass.

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We've done some of the stuff already, but apparently it's a big deal. They translated the movie in a colloquial Quebec French and that standard French, which was a big deal for all the French-speaking Canadians. And it became basically the godfather for French-speaking Canadians. So smart move there. They played in the Cambria County War Memorial Arena and the Star Rink in Hamilton, New York, which is where Colgate is, by the way. Oh.

The Utica Memorial Auditorium and the Onondaga County War Memorial, which they used as Hyannisport. Awesome names. And then Reggie Dunlop was based on former E.HL. Long Island Ducks, player coach, John Brophy, whose name was used as the drunk center of the Hyannisport team. Do you remember the Long Island Ducks? Any memory, Sean?

Yeah, I think the Long Island Ducks are a baseball team now, actually. I don't think they're a hockey team anymore. But, yeah, hockey is huge in Long Island. Do you feel like... you know, like Eagle Rock, that area in L.A. like could get away with like a nice little minor league hockey team. Oh, I wonder, where is there a minor league hockey team? There's got to be one.

Like San Bernardino? I imagine for the Anaheim team, there's got to be a team close by. I like that, I like when there's like minor league stuff in a town like this that has just enough stuff to do, but the Ontario rain are in Ontario. That's a minor league hockey team. That's cool. Ontario is a good, that's a good place for hockey team. Great airport.

That was a good youth soccer location. Johnstown Jets, they played their last season when the year this movie came out, missed the season because of another Johnstown flood, came back for two years, then went out of business in the 80s. This is funny about the Carlson's. First one was born, Jeff. Jack was born 13 months later, and then Steve was born one year and three days later. they were just pumping out Carlson's. So they were all within two years of each other in three years.

And then on the Johnstown team, the three of them led the team in penalty minutes. Jeff was the highest at 264. The other one was 248, 243. It was like a lot of penalty minutes. Do you ever play hockey growing up? I never did. I never did either.

Do you play hockey? No, I can't skate. Ben Simmons, my son. Yeah. The one, the Ben Simmons who likes sports. He seems like he would be like a really good hockey player. He got him four months, like four to six months too late. We got him when he was like six and a half and you have to start skating when you're four or five.

He would have been great at hockey. Yeah. One of my, big miss by us. One of my best friends in high school, her little brother played hockey. And it was that. It was that. Like, he started at three. My nephew, Tyler, plays hockey.

And he started when he was like three years old. Now they're like traveling all over the country all the time. You have to start skate. For the people listening, you have to start skating by the time. You're five latest. Someone listening to us. Five latest. Five latest.

So I'm not pushing any sports because I'll just, I'll just, I'll go. down that rabbit hole very quickly. He just, he just would have love talking. Jim Car's DuPay was modeled after an actual Johnstown sportscaster in Bill Wilson, who wore a really bad wig. So Nancy Dad wrote that one down.

The differentiation between the colors is perfect. Why are you wearing that terrible rug? The Carlson brothers said when they went into the stands for the fight, that some of the actors kind of got into it. Oh, yeah. And we're throwing some punches,

and it got a little heated. Netflix should do a fake untold on the Hanson brothers. Yeah. They filmed this movie in June and had to pretend it was cold, so they're wearing these jackets and like Newman's baking and the leather clothing. And then Oglethorpe was based on a longtime minor league goon named Goldie Goldthorpe, who was the Syracuse Blazers rookie, who one season had 25 fighting majors before Christmas.

It was a legend. So they just took that. They also took the Hanson brothers jumping into the stands. that has a real life story. You can Google all this. There was another one where the Hansons got hit by a cup of ice in Utica, and they went in the stands.

And then there was another one where the Binghamton players before a game came out with plastic glasses and big noses and the Carlson's just fucking, they just started fighting before the game. So those three things were pulled into the movie. I think that's like, that's so perfect.

That's like all the Ron Shelton stuff from Bull Durham all like hanging out in the Venice courts for a white man can't jump. It's like, If you pull from real life, it's just going to be so much better. I have a couple of Nancy Dowd facts. Yeah. One is just that she did a bunch of uncredited work, but her run after Slapshot,

she wrote the original script for coming home, but it got rewritten. She was not happy about that. She did uncredited work on straight time, North Dallas 40. She worked on SNL for a year in 80 to 81 and then did an uncredited pass on ordinary people. And her brother played Oggi Ogilgo Thorpe. Yeah. Apex Mountain Newman? No.

What's the apex mountain for Newman? Bush? I mean, I think it's Butch. The Sting. Butch Sting somewhere in there. And then Towering Inferno in 73 and 74. The Sting Winning Best Picture in 74 and then Towering Inferno comes out and it's the biggest movie of a year.

That's pretty tough to match. Do we need Towering Inferno type movies again? We have them. That's the problem. That's a George Butler does like one a year. No, but, But those type of movies, but with basically it's the Ocean's 11 cast in peril. Oh, like have... Because part of Towering Inferno is they had some of the biggest stars from the 70s just in peril.

And then they did airplane. They did... It would be cool if like even better actors did those bad movies every once in a while. That's what happened for two years. I'm ready for... Like at Cumberbatch in a couple of years. Yeah, I mean, I like those Irwin Allen movies. I feel like that we deploy that in different ways now.

Well, now it's like Valentine's Day or... like those Gary Marshall movies. Yeah, yeah. I mean, some of the franchise movies, I mean, the Harry Potter movies were kind of a version of that where it was like every incredible English actor born after 1950 is in these movies. Right.

Mori Pexon. Ankin, I would say yes. Twin Peaks. I feel like Twin Peaks. I mean, he was one of the stars of Twin Peaks in 1990 when it was the biggest show on TV. Yeah. I think most people look at him and they're like,

that's the guy from Twin Peaks. Really? over Ned Braden? I think so. Hockey fighting? I can't tell you how glorious this era was for hockey fights. The Bruins had at least a couple of game. It was one of the reasons to watch.

It was part of the sport in a totally different way. Now when I watch hockey fights, I feel like guys are going to get really hurt. The guys know how to fight now. They hold off and then they come in. This was like, you're just like normal guys fighting. I was watching a bunch of videos of guys talking about how, like Rempi needs to learn how to fight because he's like not, he's not protecting himself enough.

Right. He's just like acting like it's the 80s or whatever. Yeah. George Roy Hill? No. Sports movies? Uh. I think you can make a case, yes.

I definitely think that 77 has a shout for the best sports movie year. And you're also coming off a bunch of great ones that happened the three years earlier. Yeah. And then everyone starts ripping off in all of these different ways for the next three years. I feel like this isn't the center of, like, in terms of quality maybe, but not, you know, there's the like, um, Bull Durham Hoosiers Field of Dreams era where it's like these are the like the most important movies in America feeling. Yeah. You know, when Field of Dreams came out, it was like late 80s. Kind of like.

Almost like the sons of this era. Yeah. And it's like a lot of movies kind of coasted off of that too, like Rudy and everything after that too, you know, like that felt like the late 80s had Hoosiers. Rudy, not Rudy, Hoosiers Major League, Bull Durham, Field of Dreams. Eight Men Out. The Natural is like

84, right? You know? Like Eight Men Out is in the late 80s. Is there basketball? Is there basketball? White Man Jump is 93. That's 90s. That's like a whole, that moves into a whole other era. Basketball era. Because we go into White Man Jump, the program, Blue Chips. Yeah, I also feel like that kicked off a whole wave of kids sports movies in the early

90s, too. Kind of cresting off the Field of dreams thing. I don't know. I mean, it's not the this is definitely one of the best ever. Maybe like prestige sports movies.

Is this Apex Mountain from movie brothers? Carlson's. I guess the Corleone brothers. Corlea, I'd say Corleone. Yes. Yes.

Lindsay Krauss, I'm still going with the verdict. House of Games for me. I wanted to be a dark. She's good at House of Games. Great. Well, she was married.

She's a star. Married to him. They got divorced. Oh, yeah, they're good. Strother Martin Cool hand, Luke Yeah, definitely Hockey movies, no question.

Minor League hockey, just in general? Or minor league? Well, is it this or my... I was going to say minor league sports, but I guess Bull Durham is probably... Hmm. 1970 Pontiac GTO Hardtop in Baja Gold.

Can you find that right now, that car? Probably not. Movies that made CR want a bartend at a fucking dive bar in the middle nowhere? And Jimmy Conway's bar. and Goodfellas, yeah.

Oh, yeah. But that Jimmy Conway's bar is more dangerous. I bet the Aces gets pretty fucking dangerous. What's the Aces? It's 3 o'clock you're watching soap operas with half of the cheats. That sounds great. When you're like trying to go last call at a hockey team, I don't know. Cruiser, Hanks.

This to me is such so clearly a Tom Hanks role. Yeah. But Cruz and the Anki role. Ooh. Yeah, that's fair. But it's the lead role. This is like... Love Sean always tries to rig the rules somehow.

Hank's in League of Their Own is basically doing his version of Reg. Hank's is better in this movie. Have we considered Hank's and Cruz as a possible wrinkle to the category? Is this movie better with Hank's and Cruz? One or the other. Cruz and the Ankin role would be great because then it would be, there would be the stories about how Cruz spent four months learning the skate. Yeah. He hired the top figure skating coach.

Then you needed to be Pacino so that they could be the same height. though. And think of how the subtext would hit when he's like, is he gay? And he's like, no, he has huge cod, like, horse. Rock horse, rock, a racehorse rock band, wrestler or fantasy team name.

I mean, there's 130 ways to go and I think a lot of them have been done already. I think the fourth Hanson brother would be a great racehorse name. The fourth Hanson brother? I like it. Picky Knits. Wouldn't there have been more fighting

with the Charlestown Chiefs pre-Hansson? It's minor lake hockey. Like everyone fought. They're bottom of the league, though. Yeah, but they didn't have two goons on that team already? Yeah, it's like picking a fight with the Charlotte Hornets. I think Johnny's supposed to be the goon,

but he's like the only guy's wearing the helmet. Yeah. What do you have for picking it? Because I have a bunch. So I guess this one's two hockey-related ones. One, in the beginning of the movie, they really make it sound like Deney is this fucking hot shot goalie,

but he's getting lit up. And I was just like, is that just because the defense is bad, but they still think he's good as a keeper? I couldn't tell that. And then just like the just lack of sanctity around the trade deadline. How can Syracuse get five new guys

for the championship game? But it did make me think, wouldn't it be cool if like the Pacers could just sign Kenyon Martin right now? Wow. Can you do that in the NFL? I think because, yeah, that's a lot of the playoffs.

NBA is very precious. I was thinking a lot about the like Ringer 100 for minor league hockey, circa 1977, you know, like our power rank. Yeah, exactly. But Braden's like, we questioned as toughness. Hockey Kevin O'Connor's taking shots of them in the text. All my picking nits are oriented around what I don't understand what Anita

Cambridge is talking about with not wanting to sell the team. I think she's like, it's a better, it's easier for me to do a tax write off of the team than it is for me to sell. Based on getting cash in hand for selling something? How does that make any sense? She's getting a tax right off for folding a business? Isn't that like the whole thing like why Warner Brothers is like it's easy? You're first to not put this movie out than it is to take tax purposes.

You get to take the losses. For a professional sports team? You offset the wins. For a hot professional sports team? Guys. Yeah, but how hot was it? It's fucking federal league. It's not like it's like Barcelona.

So you guys are big MacCampurch then. You're in the pocket of Big MacCamp. You think she had a good call. I think she sure sold the team and done a big puff piece about how she saved the chiefs. Like that was clearly the move. Dickie Dunn is just like the woman who saved Charleston. Yeah. I also have some doubts about

McGrath's claim that there were scouts from the NHL there with contracts in their pockets. I'm not sure I bought that. There might have been one. It is great when Newman's like, do you say scouts? Like 42 years old. Being the shit out of people, yeah. I think the hockey scenes in this movie are excellent. I don't love the Han-Rahan scene only because Reg,

I'm not sure what's going on in that part of the game, but he's just like kind of standing in place for certain points. Yeah, he's just like skating back and stopping. Yeah. And just watching around and saying, I've never seen a hockey player be able to do that. Yeah.

Lindsay Krause, what's Lily's accent exactly in this movie? Are they starting to St. Louis? Because she's got a Cardinals hat. She sounds Irish at one point. She has an unusual way of speaking in general. Yeah. So I don't really know what she was going for there.

She's just scrapping. Why should she give a shit? I think Reg and Blum. Lily's whole thing is a little bit unclear to me. The whole plan was just to kind of get Ned riled up by fucking with his marriage. That's why he needed to fight McCracken at the end. Yeah. He needed to finally dip in the testosterone.

But I think there's also like an element of it where it's like kind of a small town, maybe like college campus where it's like now I'm dating your ex-girlfriend. Like it just kind of happens like that. And it's like freak love like end of the 70s. These guys are all. Let's play this out. Come over to your house. Phoebe, how's it going?

Why don't you come up or stay with me for a while? But we're not like fighting in front of you and being like, I'm leaving this. Phoebe's not shaking a flask. And I'm like walking around cheating on her. But if you were, is it then I should do that? No, but I'm just saying if it was 1977 and we were living in a steel town, I think the rules would be a little bit more fluid. Yeah.

Interesting. Knit pick, can you really hide who owns a minor league hockey team? This would be such a mystery. You couldn't just go to the library and research this in 77? Well, there's a real communication slowdown that's, on display in this movie where it's like it's only like two days later

that they learn about something from like a Dickie Dunn column. Right, you know, so it's like, you don't know how time is passing. Yeah, and also hockey players

are they really doing Freedom of Information Act requests? The chiefs are drawing basically nobody to their games. The Hanson show up that first game and it's just complete sellout crowd going crazy

for the Hansons. There's like a scene missing. You just told us there were nobody at the games then why is there everybody at the Hanson's first game? I mean, Dickie Dunn putting it at work, you know? Just writing those columns, getting us excited.

Getting us excited. And the Hansons don't play for like a week and a half but they don't have practice. There's no practice for this team. There's no practice scene. Well, they're on a long road trip. Are they? I'm just picking nits.

Okay, yeah. They don't see them once on the ice just skating around. So the Hansons just don't play hockey for a week and a half. How do you think Wojurer, Jeff Pats? or Shams or one of those guys, like Schaefter,

like how would they sell the Hansons to America? You know, how would they convince us, like, hearing that the Hansons are discussing a $100 million extension with unknown owner of this team? I thought you were going with, like,

the Hanson brothers, although they aren't elite prospects. If you put them with other great players, they really shine. If he plays with his dad, yeah. Why wasn't Ned in the W.H? H.A or NHL.

They had 30 fucking professional teams that season. The WHA had 12 teams. The NHL had 18 teams. This is my 600 players playing professional hockey. But of all the people there, like Ned gets the NHL contract except he looks like a headcase for doing a strip tease. But do you think Ned goes to Minnesota with Reg? Yeah. This is what I want to see.

The parade at the end, they're going through and there's Reg's ex-wife and she's just like, Excuse me, I have to take a left turn. People lined up on the streets. She couldn't have taken a back road. She had to drive through the parade. I'm not sure I liked her. Anti-frid scene. Wow.

I thought it was kind of a hero ball moved by her. Just straight around the parade. You know what? Hockey's not the center of the universe. Like, I don't give a shit. I'm going to Long Island to open a salon. Yeah, good luck. She'd probably cut my mom's hair. So what was the unfortunate, any Pratt tragedy?

I think it's like he's in he's he made him paraplegic. I think it's an actual murder. Stick to the head. Yeah. Sequel prequel prestige TV all podcast are untouchable. Probably prestige, right? Would it want it to have spent. I would just take a much longer version of this movie.

Because you can't remake the movie. So if you're going to remake it, you got to make it as a TV show, I think. Do you want to? I think it's an untouchable. I think it's an untouchable. But I think after. After 47 years, you could mess with it.

I'm trying to think of all-black cast, how that would work. Yeah, we skipped the Van Lathen Award for this one. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Traos, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, evil laughing, Ramon Raymond, eventually the Hanson brothers next time we do a movie. Or Philip Baker Hall. God damn, hand for hand! You're a good-goly.

You're a regular Ken Dryden out there! and a motherfucking sexually fluid wife you better keep your hands off Suzanne or you're going away a long fucking time big boy you're looking right at me and the sexually fluid way Wayne just one Oscar who gets at Newman

yeah yes I think Nancy Dowd is up Nancy Dowd Good show. Yeah. The script is really funny. Probably unanswerable questions. How many years did Ned Braden play in the NHL?

Blows his knee out, becomes a New England, like, hockey coach. Coach is in New Hampshire. Like a Dartmouth or something. Goes back to New Hampshire to coach. What year did the Bradens get divorced? Did they make it out of the 70s?

No. No. Yeah. Is the Hansen's first game in the running for top three? sports movie games you would have wanted to be in the house for. Okay. Meaning in the, at the arena.

Yeah. Yeah, you're just like, I'm out of minor league hockey game. Yeah, I'm going to go see the chiefs. And then the fucking Hansen's come out. So is number one the Hoosiers game, the title game? I think number one is the natural because Roy Hobbs, it's the pennant winning homer and the lights explode. That's a great story.

Yeah, but like, you have to imagine like only like, you couldn't even have like a transistor radio probably back then. So you'd just be like, what happened? Is he bleeding? What happened to this guy? Wow, that's a really good question.

Shit. I think the last time we did this, the answer, because we did this during the teen wolf game, when watching a guy turned in a teen wolf is probably number ones, though. Yeah.

It's like, what would you do that? I went to a high school basketball game and the guy turned in a were werewolf. If there was some way to be. And they won by 20. That's hard to top that one. I was going to say like, if you had to be serving 15 to 20 for manslaughter,

you'd want to see the longest yard game, you know? If you just had to be in prison. That's also like, if there was some way to, like, finagle your way into the, like, the Field of Dreams game where you get to see your dad,

that would be sick. Like, that would be awesome. Yeah, that'd be good. Which Rocky fight? Would you do three or four? I think the Russian. I wouldn't want to see Drago. You go to Russia.

You go to the den of the lion. Yeah. Yeah. But then you get locked in a Russian prison and you never leave. That's right. It turns into the bull. born, the second born movie.

I thought you were going to say Eddie with Whoopi Goldberg. I haven't seen it. Dwayne Chinch is taking a charge from Larry Johnson to send the Knicks into the playoffs. You keep trying to make it seem like that's a Knicks movie. It's not a Nix movie. We do not claim Eddie. It's a movie. You're wearing the uniforms the whole game. No.

Best double feature choice. What about all the right moves? Let's just stay in this city the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. Good one. Not Butch Cassidy or the Sting. You can do that too. Yeah. I had watched some episodes of Shoresy, just because it's like an interesting extension.

If you want to do a little George Roy Hill action, just go from right here to Garp. Sure. Dang it out. George Roy Hill double-hitter. So you're excited about Garp. I feel like you've been teasing Garp for years. I like Garp the most out of anyone you guys know.

Has Robin Williams been represented on the rewatchables? Yeah, we've done some Robben. Maybe Mrs. Doubtfire. That was an episode, right? I love Garp, but Garp. The problem is for Garp are going to have to read the book before we do Garp too. That's like more work. You're going to reread the world according to garb?

Yeah, that's one of the great books. Okay. You're not allowed to like the mainstream popular books that then turned into a movie. That's like on the short list. It's a famous, famous book. Robin Williams, I feel like we're, I think, I feel like we're forgetting what Robin Williams was. It was like a, he was a. I would honestly do Good Morning Vietnam just for like the opening DJ scenes.

Jim Carries another one we haven't done enough of yet. I mean, the feed's going to end in like, I don't know, five months, but we have to have Jim Carrey month before it ends. I'm ready, I'm ready whenever you're ready. Do you know, I was flipping channels the other day, and there was some movie on that Jim Carrey made where I think it's called Yes, Man. Yes, man, yeah. And Bradley Cooper is his best friend, and then Zoe Deschanel is the love interest. This movie came out in 2008 and made like solid money. And it was a movie I had no recollection of it ever.

I think it's Peyton Reed, who directed that, too, who made, like, the A Man movies. What's the, what is he play in that movie? He's the guy who has to say yes to everything for a certain period of time. It's a movie that could just re-release now and be like, there's a new Jim Carrey Bradley Cooper movie, and people would be like, what? And not realize?

That's a odd pairing, too. Their energies are very different. Like, Netflix should just get it and put Bradley Cooper and Jim Carrey in the box together. They'll make those with AI in, like, he had a run, though, where it was like, he remade fun with Dick and Jane. He made the French. He made a bunch of movies where you were like, didn't this come out already?

What happened? Yeah. Mr. Popper's Penguins. Andy and Reds-Watt-N-A-Ward would happen the next day. We know they go to Minnesota. I think Reg eventually ends up as being the lead hockey analyst for ESPN. He would be so good. He's like a Don Cherry type.

He could have market-corrected Barry Melrose. Yeah. He's just through the 80s, the Islanders winning four cups and then the Oilers. Like, he's just right there breaking it down for us. And it could have been Tony Romo. or Chris Collins or Reggie Donloap. Yeah.

Maybe he gets like he legs it out to be like fourth chair on spit and shicklets for a while. Yeah. Yeah.

I think he gets fired from ESPN in like 1991 for an incident with a PA. He gets a little handsy after a couple drinks. Yeah,

comment about someone's son maybe. Yeah. Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you guys want from this movie? Got to do the leather suit just to see what it feels like.

I feel like the foiled up gloves. I would, do the jacket. I mean, there's a lot of stuff I want for this movie. I'd love to see the Hansen glasses prescription. Lily's glass. One of the Hansen glasses would be good. I like Reggie's Roe jersey, the blue

road jersey would be a great one. Do you like Ned and Lily's dog? You know, it's interesting that that dog was female. It's like a twist because it looks like the biggest, most manly dog possible. And then it's like, oh, she's lying on your bed. I'm like, what?

I don't know What dog that was, though? Was that a St. Bernard crossed with another dog? That dog was gigantic. Those dogs are a lot of work, man. Huge dumps. I mean, just like horse dumps. It's dog quarter.

Coach Finstack Award, best life lesson. Oh, what is it? Sounds like don't get that dog. All folk heroes start out as criminals. Oh, that's a good one. I was thinking just give the fans what they want. Like I were just doing bangers and the rewatchables and then the feed's going to die. Can you explain?

What's up with the sun setting of the feed? No, we're just, people are like, do, we don't like rock bottom month do better movies. It's like, okay, I'm going to do all the best movies all in a row. What happened to you? Then we're going to run out. Just following your creative heart. No, we're going to run out. This is creative heart.

He's the consummate artist. He'll walk away from something if it's not pure anymore, you know? It's just going to do great movies. Sure. Week after week. You have to reverse psychology. So now we have to be like super pro killing the feed. Oh, whatever.

Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah. Who won the movie? Paul Newman. I agree. Paul Newman. I also agree. I think you could make

a stealth case for hockey. Mm-hmm. What is hockey if Slapshot doesn't exist? That's a great question. Well, you read that every hockey player loves this movie.

But wouldn't hockey be exactly the same? It's almost like what are Italians without the godfather? It's like, but it is also like hockey seem to hang on.

They don't have to constantly fight the representation. of being an organized. I don't know. It's just, it's a sliding doors. Yeah. Because you know, like, it's like, Wade Boggs used to drink 22 beers on a flight.

It's like, hockey held on to that for the longest of any major sport. It still kind of has it. Yeah. You know, like, not as much of the, the Neanderthal, like, bad language thing,

but it's like, it's the sport where when you meet, like, when you meet a professional hockey player, you're like, that's just kind of a dude. Yeah. You know,

he doesn't have, like, an entourage. It just feels like a way more normal interaction. Yeah. Yeah. fucking love the Kings. It's interesting about Slapshot. I should have said this at the top.

Everyone who's ever played hockey has seen this movie. There's no way they haven't, right? What other movie could you say that about anybody who either plays or does the thing in the movie that it's a 100% I've seen the movie?

Like right now there's some five-year-old kid in like freaking moose jaw who's playing hockey. His dad is like, we're going to watch Slavshot tomorrow. point his dad is going to show him slap shot because that's almost part of being a hockey player. Like you learn out of skate, you play in the whatever the kids leagues, you move your way up and you see slap shot. Like those are the fucking checkpoints. Well, I bet for like this NBA era, I bet almost every single guy in the NBA is seen above the rim.

But I don't think it's like slap shot. Slapshot's 100%. Do you think every living male porn star has seen Bougain Nights? No. No. I don't. Wow. It's tough.

It's hard to hear. I was watching boogie nights last night. You're going to shut the feed down before we boogie again. We re-buggy? You know, Julian Moore comes in when Jesse's talking to Don Cheadle's character, Buck. Yeah. It's kind of a cock block by her. She's like, like, Jesse's kind of having a moment and she comes in and goes,

can I borrow him for a second and just like yanks him away? Yeah. I don't know. You observed this. Didn't really notice it until last night. There you go. These things keep revealing themselves. That's why they re-watchers.

The re-booking. We did like three hours. Sean doesn't know about the Pulp Fiction Plan. Oh, my God. I'll tell you post-podcast. But it's dark because there's a Pulp Fiction plan. There's like the specter that it's at the end, you know? No, that's not going to be the last one.

Can I tell you something? I'm going to see Pulp Fiction on Sunday night at the New Beverly. Because it's the 30th anniversary of the Cannes premiere where it first came out when it first premiered. Wow. I'm really excited. New Beverly's been killing it with movies later. Yeah, amazing programming. sees Pacers Sunday night.

Do you think that'll be games for... We're taping this during the Seltz Pacer series. Oh, no, yeah, that's right. Because we're releasing this later. That won't be far enough in the series where Joe Missoula will realize he needs to go small. He was calling the timeouts last night.

I was like, look at Joe. Freaking hopeless. That's it for Slapshot. He's starting to believe. We don't have Craig this week because Craig's in Africa, hopefully not getting mauled by a line. But we do have Jesse Lopez. Thanks, Jesse. Thanks, Jesse.

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