The Rewatchables - ‘Sleepless in Seattle’ With Bill Simmons, Juliet Litman, and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Juliet Litman, and Amanda Dobbins head to the top of the Empire State Building to rewatch Nora Ephron’s classic romantic comedy drama ‘Sleepless in Seattle,’ starring Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan, and Rosie O’Donnell. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Engineer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right. Is your favorite movie, Juliet? Is it number one? Okay. I have to, like, I have to separate what I think is, like, the best movie versus, like, what is my favorite. I love You Got Mail in a, like, emotional, sentimental way that, like, nothing else. Because of the real estate. Because of the real estate and the neighborhood and all that. But this is a perfect movie. I mean, I like this more than when Harry Metzally. It's tied with almost famous as my favorite movies.

Amanda? So, Julia prepared me for this. We talked about this. We talked about this even before. know that Juliet writes sleepless above you've got male, and we can get into that. But when Juliet said just now that she likes it more than when Harry met Sally, I gasped. I don't, like, I can't believe that. I think I do. I don't know. I love them both. But it's just like, it's, Meg Ryan is so good at Sleepless in Seattle. It is, I think, her best performance. This is, this is amazing. She's absolutely never looked better.

She looks so good. She carries every scene. She is just peak of her powers. It's like watching the old Jordan footage from like the 92 finals. You're like, wow, what could she not do? Annie Reid is definitely a better hang than Sally Albright. I've got no doubt about that. I mean, the only real downside is the serial stalking. Yeah.

Other than that, but I kind of liked it. It made her dangerous. It made me feel very validated. I was like, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Annie, for pushing me to believe in true love. Amanda, this is a movie that I think works. Because in the first 25 minutes, they establish without any sort of, you can't say anything otherwise.

Sam loved his wife. Yes. He's really, truly loved this person who died and he has not gotten over it. And if I don't believe that in the first 25 minutes, nothing else can happen. I'm fascinated to hear you both focus in on Meg Ryan already because I think this is a Tom Hanks movie times a thousand. And I think what it doesn't work without Tom Hanks making that emotion, Bill, that you just mentioned, like very clear to the point of tears, which I had several times again watching it. I cried in unusual places. I'd like to come back to that.

But also making the premise work. As you noted, this is a movie about a questionable reporter exploiting her work. Do we do we have any evidence that she's a good journalist? besides the fact that she knows how to use the search engine to track down, the 1993 search engine to track down a guy she heard. She's Nexus Lexus. On the radio. Yeah.

Whose son called in to ask for a new wife. And then the man just stayed on the line for an hour through multiple commercial breaks and also commentary. Yeah. Can you hold on? Sure. I'm not doing anything. He's still there.

So if Tom Hanks can't sell that ridiculous setup, but also that investment, if you aren't rooting for him, if you don't also listen to the radio call and feel the same way that Annie and the 2000 women in America also feel. And Juliet. And me. And me. Then the movie doesn't work. Can I just counterpoint that for a second? Sure. Don't you think part of why the beginning of the movie is so good is because Meg Ryan sells it really well? she in the car, the way that she's responding, the way she's talking to the radio, the way she says magic. And she's like, don't do it, Jonah. Like, don't you think that is, like, she really helps, like, she really helps Tom Hanks. He's this guy Pippen to her, Michael Jordan. I think she is fantastic. And the amazing thing about this movie, the famous thing, is that obviously they're only in like one and a half scenes together. Under two minutes. Yes, the two leads do not meet

until the last scene, which is very unconventional. I think this movie had a hard time getting made because everyone was like, you can't do that. They got to like meet. And the fact that their chemistry and connection is palpable. And you believe in these two people sort of against your, you know, common sense from the very beginning. It's a testament to both of them. She's really good. But you have anyone else doing the call in? I'm sorry. I don't agree. I actually, I was, wow. I think it's easier. We're going to come to it. But I think it's easier to think about 2023, Sam Baldwin, than it is 2023 Annie Reid.

I just completely disagree, even though I have a great answer for 2020. We're already fighting. We haven't even gotten to the categories yet. Yeah. This is awesome. I'm with Juliet. So I guess I'm the tiebreaker.

Okay. Congratulations. Because I have to like Meg Ryan, even though she's emotionally disturbed in this movie. That's true. She's honestly unhinged. She's marrying somebody who, I guess, the nicest thing you can say is he's brain damage? Like, did he?

Have a bike accident? What happened to that guy? Is that a normal human being who could have a job? It's an incredibly disrespectful use of Bill Pullman. She's married in the boy in the plastic bubble who just has like a 70 IQ. Is he Forrest Gump? Did they make Forrest Gump after they saw Bill Palmer in this movie? He's the associate.

He's the business side. He's not creative, you know? He's just crunching numbers. He doesn't have a single moment where you're like, this is a functioning adult. Disagree. Like that one? Disagree. I liked it when he was.

I always said this to myself, Dim sum, dim sum, that's a fun, charming moment. But asking do they have wheat and dim sum and then having a song ready was just, it didn't make sense. Ordering the Dom Deloise. Just the worst jokes ever.

He's allergic to literally everything on the earth. He takes the breakup well. Takes the breakup well. He just thinks he rolls over. This is one of my favorite things about North F-Rod movies is that when people call off their relationships, it's just like two very civilized people

sitting down and being like, you know what, didn't work out, I guess so, which is not realistic at all and certainly not pulled from her own life. I had that in picking nits in all caps and bold. Well, it's just mature. At least there's one adult in this movie, and it's Bill Pullman being like, okay, your heart's not in it, so let's not get married. You know why? He had an IQ of 74.

He didn't know what's happening. He still thought they were getting married in three months. He doesn't understand joy because he can't eat good food, so he just is, like, used to settling in his life. So he's like willing to settle for a bad relationship. and tomato and wheat is like the highlight of his brining. Exactly. Exactly. And he's like, no strawberries. That's really a shitty life.

I love strawberries. I'm going to do my hottest take now, even though it's supposed to come later in the podcast. Okay. I think the number one reason this movie works is because the male goat of rom-coms, Tom Hanks, who's never been a better male lead for a rom-com than him. He's completely

overqualified. Just shouldn't be in this movie. And Meg Ryan, the female goat of rom-coms, the best who's ever done it. And they're in the same movie together. and they're not even in the same scenes. They're so good. They don't have to be in the same scenes. You're like, these two make sense,

and they're not even together. That's why this movie works. Other than I have to believe that his wife was just this ghost who eventually marries Richard Gear, right? You strike me as a real carry-lull guy. I mean, lights out. Lights out.

When my guy Rick Gear was like, done. She locks down Richard Gear. Nobody locks down Richard Gear. gear like two people have done it her and cindie croffer great job by her i mean bill i gotta tell you that's not a hot take i don't think i mean i think they're both recognized as the like the goats in their fields are they does kaya know this i think i mean kaya's slightly different generation you are you aware that meg ryan and tom hanks are the goats i feel like i would say so yeah you

wouldn't say julia roberts or somebody else or maybe julia roberts and george clunney well let's talk about let's talk about nor a fron for a minute before we go further because i I think that in the last 10 years since her death, which is almost 11 years, I think there's just been this real sort of, everyone acknowledges it. She's just like the best. And I think that the way that she approached her movies is so resonant and also like has like emotional resonance and resonance with total narrative fantasy in a way that I feel like it's like the same reason people watch The Bachelor. And I just think for like, so like for Kaya, for me and Amanda, like the Nora Ephron trilogy. of You've Got Mail, Sleepless in Seattle, and when Harry Met Sally...

I can't bring you brought Nora Ephron up before Amanda. You guys might not get through the podcast. You guys really threw me off with the just like Meg Ryan is the only reason to watch this movie. Nobody said that. Jesus. Okay, you were just like, Tom Hanks is fine. No.

No. I said he was the goat. Tom Hanks is great. He has the goat. The thing about this movie and about both Nora Ephron's movies and like the Tom Hanks Meg Ryan partnership that she does is that they do have equal billing. You're going to see both of them. And in Pretty Woman, you're like going to see, well, pretty woman, you were going to see Richard Gear and then you discovered Julia

Roberts. But that's a Julia Roberts movie. Like a Kate Hudson movie is a Kate Hudson movie unless Matthew McConaughey is also in it, in which case it's a rom-com I don't respect. Like all of the other rom-coms are the, the woman is the reason to go see it, which was awesome. And these are a real, like, dance between Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. So you think of them together. Yeah, I agree with that. It's a good point.

You could also say this created the love makes people go crazy rom-com trope, because I don't think it really happened before this. It just, it keeps going up a level until we get to Julie Roberts at my best friend's wedding who's an actual sociopath. Right.

But this is... And then also Tom Hanks, and you've got male, who, you know, put someone out of business. Who's also a sociopathist? Meg Ryan gets to be the crazy person in this one. Yes. And then give the speech that makes it okay.

And then Tom Hanks is the sociopath and you've got male. You know, they each get their moment. We never really had sociopathic behavior in rom-coms until this movie. As far as I could tell. You could go back to like seems like old times with Goldie Hawn and Chevy Chase and you know, he's on the run. He's like, but in this one, it's totally normal. She flies cross country and just watch us.

him with his son, his son all day, leading to her just standing in the street and almost getting hitting by cars on both sides of the street. Is it normal? As she's just staring at them for no reason. Is it normal? We accept it, but it's not normal. That's abnormal. Yeah, exactly.

That's what I'm saying, is that they're so good that we overlook completely ridiculous behavior on the part of both of these people. Rose Adon's like, how is the trip? Yeah. I look forward to discussing Rosie. O'Donnell. She's great. She's great.

See, you said fantasy for Nora Ephron or, like, romantic fantasy, but I also think friendship was the other thing with this. She hit friendship the best. Like, you always feel like Rob Reiner and Hanks, you're like, these guys are really friends. And Rosie O'Donnell, Meg Ryan, same thing. It's like, you're just hanging out like a fly in the wall with their friendship. I think that's because Nora Ephron was, like, the consummate friend.

Like, everyone who was friends with her loved her. Like, Rita Wilson loved her. Meg Ryan loved her. Amanda loved her. Wasn't even friends with her. I did, yeah. She, and I went back and I read David Marquesi's interview with Meg Ryan from 2019 in The Times, and she was talking about how, like, when you are on a Nora Ephron set,

like, she would talk to you about, like, how do you do a dinner party and, like, what should the catering be? Like, it sounds like she played the role of friend to so many people, which is ironic, because she didn't tell anyone she was dying when she, and then so it was, like, a surprise when she died. She's also, she was one of the great, just, like, observers of all. aspects of life. And I think that's what makes all of her movies to me so special is like the details and the way that people behave. And she's understanding whether it's, you know, can men and women be friends and when Harry met Sally or how people relate to the movies and the idea of fate in this, but then also, you know, jokes like Tira Mousou. And it, like,

it's just, she sees the whole picture and her movies feel very lived in. And I think friends are certainly a big part of that. Especially since she had like a turbulent romantic life. Yes, exactly. See, heartburn. Divorce three times. Yeah. There's five booms.

Three? What was the third one? I had three. I don't know. That was in the research. Oh, okay. Three-time divorce A. I can think of two. And then the third one, she stayed married to Nick Pledgey until her death.

Oh, maybe thrice married. Thrice married, I think. So we got multiple. booms in this movie. I think that's another reason. Some of the rom-coms have kind of gotten bigger, and other ones have gone down. But this one, you have the Tom Hanks boom. Okay. This is like... It's insane. League of there on the year before, Philadelphia's Sleepless, same year. Oscar for one, Eternal Romcom, the other, just bangs them both out.

Nominated in both Golden Globe acting categories that year. Yeah. What a guy. Forrest Kump, the year. after? Paul 13, Toy Story, we're off. We're going all the way through the decade. When will Paul 13 be a rewatchable? At some point. I have you here in front of me, so I can ask directly. Don't ask, because it'll

never happen. No, it might happen. A lot of people like that movie. I just, I need to give it one more chance. I just, my memory of that movie is just, Kathleen Quinlan just leaning forward nervously for 25 times. It's another, it's another Gary Sinise movie, right? Yeah. So it's like Lieutenant Dan

and Boris Gondack. So we have the Hank's boom. This movie catches Hank's lightning in a at the perfect time of his career. Plus, we have a history with him going back to Puzzin buddies of 12 years of Tom Hanks. So now it's like, oh, this is another version of Tom Hanks.

It's the I lost my wife, Tom Hanks. Okay. So we have that with the Meg Ryan boom. Yeah. Which really kicks off with when Harry Mitz-Out and 89, even though she'd been around a couple years before. Joe versus the volcano, which I actually like that movie, but it didn't do well.

Then she was in the doors and she was miscast. Prelude to a kiss. Great movie. And then sleepless and it's really off for the rest of a decade for her too. So both of them are just like, this movie just sends them to another stratosphere. The Nora Ephron Boom. She did, where do you stand on this is your life, Amanda? Are you like it?

Fucking love it. Yeah? Love that movie. That's her first writer-director movie. Sorry. I love that movie. I did rewatch it last week. I think it's an amazing Rosetta Stone for her, right?

because it's about a mom who's a performer making use of her children's personal life for and then and then the strife that comes from that. But it's done with like a lot of love and respect for everyone involved. You know, it's what she would go on to do again and again. I remember not liking the lead that much. Julie Kavanaugh? Marge Simpson? Yeah, she just didn't like the lead as enough.

But so then she doesn't make another movie for five more years until you've got male. She doesn't? Or direct a movie. What about? Yeah, direct. Okay, yeah. She was writing. Okay. Her quote, the hardest thing about being a woman director is becoming one. Right.

It was one of her quotes. It took her a while to get the car keys. So you have that. So she's, this combined with when Harry Metzal, she's now like the person. You also have the Seattle boom. Oh, yeah. This is such a great year for Seattle. We got grunge music, their Nirvana, Pearl Jam, all that stuff. With the Sonics, really hitting it again with Sean Ken.

Gary Payton, I know Amanda love those teams. We have singles right before that, and then the single soundtrack, The Vanishing, which bombed the box office, but we just did the rewatchables. We have Starbucks. We have Frazier. I don't know.

Shit's happening in Seattle. And they just capture it, and they're in all the right spots, right? They're on that little downhill Pike Place part. Yeah, the Pike Place market. Yeah, they're good to see the water. He's on a houseboat. It's a very Seattle-y movie. It's a great Seattle movie.

Yeah. I'm sad that you're not doing your Jeff Bridges accent. Drink the coffee, Amanda. We forgot Michael. She directed Michael. The Nora Afro, the John Travolta movie? When was that, 96? 96, yeah.

In between, yeah, you've got male. That wasn't phenomenon, right? That was another bad John Travolta movie. I think what we meant to say is that she did not direct any notable movies that we would like to watch again. There's a movie soundtrack boom that this ties into? So we had singles year before, above the rim year after, Sleepless and 93 Pulp Fiction. Yeah.

And the soundtrack just kind of became part of how they marketed the movie right around now in like a real way. So that happened. And then the Robcom boom. Sorry. That's the last piece. No. What about the Bill Pullman boom, man?

No, that's not a Bill Pullman boom yet. Yes, there is. He's not a winner of this movie. Is he a winner of this movie? He's charming in it. Even though he's a loser, he's charming in it. loser, he's charming in it. I don't know whether he's charming in it.

Armagedon starts the Bill Pullman boom. No way. Independence Day. Or Independence Day, yeah. While you were sleeping. All right, that's fair. That starts the Bill Pullman boom. And he's in a league of their own.

But I do think. And Newies. Yeah, but the league is her own. He's a busy guy. I think Juliet is right that the ill treatment of Bill Pullman in a league of their own and this movie opens the door for reconsideration,

which leads us to while you were sleeping an Independence Day. Well, he also did Malice in 93, which is another one where he got screwed over by someone who was dating. So that was kind of his lot in movies. I kind of liked malice. I thought Malice was good.

That Baldwin's really going for in that movie. To deny the Bill Pullman boom is honestly, it hurts my feeling. Maybe it starts here. It starts with Newsy's in 92. All right. The way that you just said newsies, I'm on your team, okay?

I also love Bill Pullman. Can we come up with another word than boom? We're comparing it to Rom-com, soundtrack, Seattle, Hanks, and Ryan. The wave. The movement? Waves good. Yeah.

But then rom-com boom, 89, when Harry Met Sally, makes $92 million. It's the 11th biggest movie. Yeah. And people are like, whoa. 1990, pretty women, 178 million makes, it's the fourth biggest movie.

It's like, Jesus. Father of the Bride, 191, 1991. Ninth biggest movie. Boomerang, 92, 18th biggest movie. In 93, people are like, all right, there's something here. Let's go. Now they're starting to strategically think about, there's a lot of stuff in here

about how they moved this to the summer because there are all these big blockbusters coming out, and they're like, we need a date movie. I can vouch that I saw this movie on a date. Okay. It was a zag. Great. This is the fifth biggest movie.

And then four weddings, the next year was 22nd. Then in 95, we had while you were sleeping 16th or nine months, 22nd. But starting 94, there's just a bunch of. of these coming out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The formula has been cracked. Definitely. But I think this one rode the way of the biggest, where they actually were like strategically, like, this will be a giant movie and it was. Yeah. That's my take. It checks out. I mean, it definitely, I think it's also one of the reasons, like, for Amanda and I why it's so foundational is like, we were like, we were discovering movies when this

was happening. And it hit that blockbuster, VHS, then you got to own it. Oh, DVDs are coming up. Got to get on that. Cable. Yeah, cable. It just kept going. And it was on cable all the time for 20 years? Yeah. Also, it's just a great length for cable. Like, it fills, it feels like probably... Was it like an hour 45? It's an hour 45, so it's like two and a half on TV with commercials.

It's great. It's just a great length movie. Nora Fron just really, she didn't go on too long. They edited now on cable when Jonah just ends up in New York. They don't have any of the airplane by himself. It's too unrealistic. Yeah, so it was competing as Jurassic Park, the firm, Cliffhanger, Last Action Hero.

and then this lady in Adweek wrote about it and said basically the whole marketing campaign was this summer's romantic alternative. Yeah. Alternative, really persuasive word. Inspired by the romance film and a fair to remember. A Care Simmons favorite? Of course, yeah. All women love that movie.

Yeah. My mom made me watch it quite young. Yeah. And I was happy about it. And then some struggling writer named Jeff Arch basically decided to make the modern version of that. And then there's a bunch of drafts where Ephron got involved, the whole thing.

And then Delia Ephron did a punch up. A lot of people punched up. Delia Eiffron came up with the abbreviations from Gabby Hoffman. I have some thoughts on that later. Nominated for two Academy Awards. Best Original Screenplay. Wow.

Best original song. $21 million budget made $27.8 million. Wow. I'm sorry, 127.8. Okay. Still. Number five movie of 1993. Wow.

Yeah. That's awesome. I mean, America used to be great. I don't know what to say. Our guy, Raj, three stars. I think that's okay. Yeah. That seems right.

He doesn't always see history when it's happening, you know? And that's all right. He's a plot and character guy. Apparently something was lacking for him. But he said, Sleep is in Seattle as ephemeral as, as ephemeral as a talk show, as contrived as the late show, and yet so warm and gentle,

I smiled the whole way through. Me too. Me too, Raj. He also said, Mick Ryan, who's one of the most likable actions around, and has a certain ineffable Doris Day, innocence, is able to convince us

of the magical quality of her sudden love for a radio voice without letting device seem like the gimmick. It assuredly is. I agree with that. There's also some lineage to the 40s and 50s screwball comedy that I don't have a history of, I don't know, did you watch those as Amanda?

Yeah, I did. And I think you've got mail, which is like an adaptation of a Lubitsch movie shop around the corner, is more screwball. Because the thing is the screwball comedies, they got to talk to each other, you know. But I, it has an affair to remember. And then the Meg Ryan heroin and being like a professional and certainly a newspaper reporter and talking fast with Rosie O'Don it's all of Nora Ephron's movies are influenced by the era because her parents worked in

where they were screenwriters in the 40s and 50s. I didn't really watch us. Who was, so was Carrie Grant was like the hanks of that era for like these kind of movies. And then the leading ladies

seem to change depending. Catherine Hepburn and Spencer Tracy made a lot of them. Catherine Hepburn and Carrie Grant made Bringing Up Baby, which is my favorite. They were Philadelphia story. Barbara Stanwick.

Who else? I mean, Debrae. who was in. Deborah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're going to take a break to the categories.

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Be a 2%er. Learn more at Wells Fargo.com forward slash active cash terms of play. All right, most rewatchable scene. My wife's favorite scene in this whole movie is when Meg Ryan tries on the wedding dress in the attic. She thinks it's like a perfectly written scene. You make a million decisions that mean nothing. And then one day you order takeout and it changes your life.

Destiny takes a hand. Destiny is something we've invented Because we can't stand the fact that everything that happens Is accidental Then how do you explain that you both ordered Exactly the same sandwich Except for the bread How many people in this world

Like lettuce and tomato Without something else like tuna Well, it wasn't a sign It was a coincidence She never says stuff like that either She just likes every piece of it It's a sign You don't believe in signs

She likes like all that stuff. Does she like the dress? No. Okay, good. No, sir. Yeah, it's tough dress. I like the Meg Ryan's wearing a slip. I was like, I'm like, yeah, people used to do that in the 90s.

Right. Under her velvet dress, which I do quite like. I do think the first two minutes of this movie is important. I wouldn't call it a rewatchable, but I like how they just kind of zoom through. This guy's wife died, but they're not. Yeah. There's not the extra scene to like, this guy's wife died. They just kind of like, here's what happened.

Watch out of the funeral. Looks cool. I also think when he's throwing down the business cards he's been given is very, like, that's when you, like, really believe he's upset because he's angry. Like, he's in that stage of grief or whatever. I don't like angry Tom Hanks. Yeah, I mean, we just want him to be happy. Annie, here's Jonah's radio call as Jonah's on the call and then goes to get his dad. Yeah.

And just a few questions. Are you sleeping at night? He doesn't sleep at all. How do you know that? I live here, dad. Look, it's Christmas. She really, I mean, she loved. She made everything beautiful.

It's just tough this time of year. I mean, any kid needs a mother. Could it be that you need someone just as much as Jonah does? Yes. Don't answer that. Let's get into that right after these messages. Sam, Jonah, don't go away. Pretty great stuff.

It's unbeautiful. I mean, it's pretty great. It's pretty great. It's great. She made everything beautiful. I mean. It's hard not to get choked up. How about when he's like, I live here, dad, when Dr.

Marsha Fieldstone asked if Tom Hanks is sleeping? What's up with Dr. Marcia? I mean, it's just a lot of questions. What's not up with Dr. Marsha? Caroline Aaron. I mean, her voice is like one of the most, like, for me, one of the voices I know best. She kept it on track.

Just pulled out all the info she needed, went to commercial, came back, he's still there. She's, like, so pushy that it works over the phone. Do people like that exist now? Is that like a... I remember when Loveline was on the radio before Dr. Drew, and there was a woman host, maybe on the weekend sometimes. I always used to think about her. Like, I do...

Is that like Brunei Brown is like the version of that now? Oh, yeah. It's a little more forward. Yeah, I guess it would be... I mean, there's Esther Perel, who does the therapy. The therapy podcasts. Yeah. Yeah, I think those are probably the two comps.

But we used to listen to Delilah, but that was more like call in and dedicate a song, you know, especially around Christmas. The somewhere, it goes into the somewhere over the rainbow, which really nicely. Yeah. Which is a borderline Kid Cutty Best Needle Drop Award. But can I ask a question? That seems really good. Can I ask a question about the Kid Cutty Needle Drop Award as a devoted listener and fan of this podcast? Thank you.

And I listened to the. category show. What is that in reference to? What music cue? Oh, Project X. It's the best part of Project X. It kicks into that song and it's like the Steve Ayoki cut and it's just amazing. Perseative happiness, right? Yeah, pursuit of happiness. Okay. Now I know. It's a great song. There's a key part of research from this that I'll just do now. Apparently the kid, he's push for him to be more involved or to have the kid involved first and then bring it to the guy

because he thought it made the guy seem too pathetic if he just called. I agree with that. Definitely agree. So that was like Kim and Nora Efron. I don't think they clash but there was definitely some give and take and I think with that one he's like

you have to have the kid call it makes them look too weak. It's a great. It's really true. That's why Tom Hanks is the best. Yeah. Just kind of pick that one apart. Wow.

Love it. The tiramisu scene I got. Tiramisu. What is tiramisu? You'll find out. What is it? You'll see. Some woman is going to want me to do it to her, and I'm not going to know what it is.

You'll love it. Oh, this is going to be tough. Tough, tough. It's going to be much tougher than I thought of it. That's a good one. Yeah. I like that diner, or whatever they're at. I would love to eat there.

Is eating steamed clams? Yeah, it must have been oysters or clams in Seattle. Looks great. That's like one of those places that only Seattle seems to have, even though I think other cities have tried. San Francisco has one. I forgot the name of it. But it was like, you always had to wait on the line to get into it. But yeah, it's a great type of institution.

I like that saying. And then Annie writes a letter to Sam as Rosie's watching TV and doing the resting bitch face when she mentions Walter, which I really enjoy. What about Walter? Walter. Oh, I would give anything to marry Walter. He's so unexpected. You think you can tell what he's like by just looking at him, but you can't. I should write something in this about magic.

What? Something. What if I never meet him? What if this man is my destiny and I never meet him? Your destiny can be your doom. Look at me and wreck. Um, winter must be cold. Those for no memories.

I like when Rosie says, your destiny can be doomed. Look at me and Rick. We never see Rick. Do we see Rick? No. It's a good running joke. Yeah. It's good.

That was a good era for never seeing somebody, like, because Norm had whatever, Vera and Cheers. Right. We just never saw her. I really, as, you know, it's hard not for me to watch us and think like what would happen if my wife had died when I had little kids and what would our relationship have been talking about. My wife, when he has that scene when the little kids.

It's like I'm starting to forget her. That's when I started sobbing. It's a sad one. I'm watching it this time. I, you know, I have a small son. And then I was just like absolutely weeping. Yeah. Which might have inflected my watching of the rest of this movie, but I don't want to step on it right now.

That's a great scene, though. It's good. Yeah. And it comes out of nowhere, too. So you're like, oh, wasn't expecting. And then they cut to Bye Bye Blackbird, which is, oh. Really good one. Yeah.

The use of music in this movie is very well done in general. The airport when he sees it. Oh, yeah. He brings the laughing hyena lady. But he sees Annie, and Meg Ryan just looks lights out. Yeah. Coming out of the gate, just looking great. And Hank says, like, he's got the Michael Corleone.

I just saw Apollonia kind of starstruck. Look, it's just good. That haircut or the hairstyle that Meg Ryan has throughout this movie is, like, impossible to pull off. And she looks so good. I mean, she has bangs. She has, like, a bump. It's so long.

The hair is really, really long. I like it. I like it too. It makes up for her terrible when Harry and Sally hairsty. Yeah, but it's not as good

as the You've Got Male hairstyle. The Pixie? Yeah, the you've got male cut is transcendent. I don't agree. I don't like it. I like her clothes,

but I like she's look. I like the long hair. It's just like a little... Too young? No, sort of a little sister wives for me. Oh.

Oh, interesting. But like, yeah, I guess like, I totally agree with that, but I think she looks great. She's beautiful. Yeah. No notes.

Great job by her. I put the dirty dozen scene down because a lot of people like that. I have one issue with it, which I'll get to him with Sid's the worst. That's the scene where Rita Wilson does the affair to remember and then they respond to her. That seems fun. That's a really good one. Are you all right? She's fine.

And suddenly he goes, and I saw the painting. And he like goes to the bedroom. And he looks and he comes out and he looks at her. and he kind of just, they know. That's a chicks movie. I would say so. What kind of a person would write to someone they heard on the radio? I got hundreds of letters from women all over the country.

Plus, you got to let Rita Wilson cook a little bit because she went for this lead role and didn't get it and they gave it to McRey. She's like, all right, Rita. I think she improb that, right? Yeah, I think that whole scene, that was one of the only times. Nora Fron was apparently pretty meticulous. She's a precise writer.

And it shows. Yeah. And I respect it. Yeah. That's how I'd be if I was director of. Say my fucking lines. Yeah. Spent four months right in this thing.

I don't want you to have... Four. Probably more in a lot of cases. I don't want you to have lip. Say my lines. I agree. The ending, which I guess is just the last... Basically from the moment, she's at dinner with Bill Paulman all the way through.

I don't know how you split any of that up. Anything? Anything? No, I mean, that's a big chunk of the movie. What do you got for most rewatchable, Amanda? The phone call? I think it has to be the phone call, though it's also hard not to say the ending, which is like perfect. But the per—I don't know.

The ending is—the ending is so unlikely that it works as well as it does. It's ridiculous. I love it. It's so romantic despite everything. God bless all of them. So good. It's the first. It's the driving scene.

It is the— For the reasons we already talked about, like, they both are at their best. Like, he is making you believe it. she's doing this physical comedy in the car that she doesn't get to do on a lot of other scenes. Like, it's great. She stops at the diner, too.

Yeah, me too. It's very good. And then, like, the side note about being, like, the men always put the things in the refrigerator uncovered. Yeah. I mean, that's just, that's really funny. Yeah.

I think that's the right answer. But this is one of those movies. If there's about 15 minutes to go and it's on, you're kind of like, all right. Yeah, of course. All right. I can be later. Fine.

I'll watch it. Yeah. What stage the best? the gimmick of them not meeting until the very end which is revolutionary for the rom-com I like Rob Reiner as an actor shoot me grew up with him and all in the family

thought he was really funny in that show and I always like when he's in movies I think he's got this just specific kind of he's kind of dopey but sarcastic and there's just something about him I like he's in two scenes right and he's a real impact on this movie

he's really good It's really good. I mentioned Rosie's resting bitch face, which I just, she does it twice when Walter gets brought up and she just kind of makes that face. It's hilarious. Mention Pete cute, Meg Ryan. I love for what stage is the best. Thanks for dinner. I never saw anyone cook potatoes that way.

It fucking kills me. It's such a classic eight-year-old dick thing to say. There's a Sleepless in Seattle horror movie YouTube recut. Oh, wow. That makes this seem like a horror movie. And it's great where it's basically like she's stalking. him to kill him. It's hilarious. I'd highly encourage going to watch that. Over laughing lady is just a great character.

She's not her sixth painter and we're never going to finish this job. Now she wants the fireplace re-bricked. Oh, I know it pretty well. I could give her a call. No, no, no, I've got to solve. I'm just going to hit her with one of those fireplaces. You are so... It's just a... Victoria. Creation of art. Yeah. She's good. I think the character's a good idea. I don't know about the performance.

I don't know. The laugh's pretty great. Sure. Okay. But like, oh, I have a lot of questions about her. I've got problems with her. Okay, good. We'll talk about her later. Maybe we should just go away the two of us. And his face lights up. Yeah, he's like, sounds great. The soundtrack is the which is the best. It reached number one on Billboard. And it's like a who's who of, you know, Jimmy Durante, Louis Armstrong, Neck and Cole.

My guy. Harry. Carly Simon, Gene Autry, Joe Cocker, Harry Connick Jr., Tammy Winette, Celine Dion. Yeah. The Meg Ryan's wardrobe in this movie, I think, is aged in a fun way because it feels very 90s. It's also eligible for what's age is the worst, but it feels very 93 to me. A lot of things have come back from the 90s and are in style now. These clothes are not. Yeah.

Well, she doesn't ever wear pants. She's only wearing dresses, the whole movie. A lot of dropways. Except when she's in her pajamas in Seattle on the phone with Becky. It was a little bit of like Annie Hall nostalgia tour with some of the, like, 16 years later. It felt like that they wanted to take advantage. When she at least is in Seattle, when she's like walking around a lot, they really wanted to take advantage of her wearing a trench coat. So I feel like they really accentuated that.

Also, height of the fear of AIDS era and just everyone just trying not to look sexy or handsome at all. Right. just be hiding behind their clothes. Everyone was afraid of each other. It just was the thing that happened. You could go look at the clothes. I have one more of what's age the best, but what else do you have before we do it? I mean, you kind of got to this, but Seattle.

I mean, it looks great. It also, like, the way that they positioned Seattle, like you would, I think, do that again. Like, Pike Place Market, all the water or all that. And as a corollary houseboats, I mean, that house, I would. Houseboats amazing. It never rains, though, in any of the, the scenes for some reason, except for maybe one. Except for the mailman. Whatever the mailman's coming.

But I think the houseboat and like that one sort of like nautical window on the stairs they have, that round one is just really nice. Can I ask a question about houseboats that I meant to Google and forgot? Can it actually sail? I don't think so. Okay. All right. So what's it?

The concept is the concept is just I want to live as close to the water as possible and also take some design inspiration from my environments. Yeah. Byron's? Okay. That's cool. I like it. Great house. Yeah. I mean... I would live in a houseboat probably. I loved all the light wood in that house. It was really just very, very beautiful. Yeah. Loved it. Very airy. I like the bathroom where they brush their teeth. Just love the house. Oh, that is a good bathroom. Yeah. Um, what's age the best? Internet stalking. I mean, right on.

It's never been more true. Yeah. They nail it. It's like you meet... It foreshadows the next 30 years. You meet a guy or you hear about a guy, whatever. You just want to know as much as possible as soon as possible. And you use all of the resources available to you. She just didn't have a lot of resources. She had to just fly to Seattle. Yeah. But she could have gone to his Facebook.

There was no Facebook. She got a lot. She got a lot based on what she was working with in 1993. Her in the PI was a little overboard. I have some nitpick questions about that. Just from a purely operational standpoint, would a Baltimore start? reporter be able to hire a private investigator at 1993 without any sort of approval. Like, is that the kind of funds at her disposal?

Well, what was, who did she work for? The Baltimore son. Right. So why, why would she be able to do that? It's a great question. She's working on a story. She's raising any red flags. I mean, I understand that her, Brozy O'Donnell is like her boss as well.

And obviously, she's also marrying the associate publisher. So there is, there's some, you know, favors being done. here, but still, how are you getting that past accounting? We needed a Bill Palmer and associate publisher scene where he's just trying to get through the day in the newspaper, sneezing on things and just being an idiot. You didn't have any more withage of us, right? No, I did. People talking as a format of content?

Yeah. Here we are. Still powerful. You can tell a lot from someone's voice. Great point. The parasycial relationships like, oh, with that. Yes, exactly. Also, the drink, not dinner strategy for the first date is, I think, still reliable.

Very real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that ever goes out of style. Yeah. Yeah. Get out of it fast. Yeah, definitely.

And teaching them young, you know? He's explaining it to Jonah age date. You can never know too soon. I'm a few more. Yeah, go. I think all the movie references really hold up. Fatal attraction, like, everyone gets it. Like, when do they make that joke?

Good job. And then the, like, the lameness, back to Walter of his. Pride of the Yankees, Lou Gehrig line. Like, I get it. Like, that works really well. Those are old movies, but, like,

it just worked. Then obviously, in a fair to remember. But, like, the cultural references, like, didn't age badly, which I think is hard to pull off

in a rom-com in that's 93. So I was pretty impressed. And then one more, Annie telling Walter not to ask about certain people and to be like, yeah, he lost,

he don't bring out the IRS. He lost a lot of money for whomever or whatever. Oh, those family set up thing. Yeah, that was a good thing. That was a good thing. That's all I got. So the Wikipedia page of this movie

has an absolute inordinate amount of content like a suspicious inordinate amount about this guy, Jeff Arch who came up with the story for the movie. I did notice that as well. And it's one of those things where you're like, this is not just overboard, this is almost like Jeff Arch

wrote the Wikipedia page. I'm not saying he did. I'm just saying if you go there, there's more information. information about Jeff Arch than Tom Hanks on the Wikipedia page with stuff like these are actual paragraphs from the Wikipedia

page. While crediting Ephron with providing her trademark wit and snark, the studio felt the original script lacked. Arch does not think all of Ephron's ideas particularly elevated the film. Describing themselves as quite different as writers, arch like their relationship

to quote a parent and a step-parent of the same kid. What's the source of this? And who cares? Is anyone like, I wonder what Jeff Arch thought of the final product of Nora Ephron legend? What were Jeff Archer's thoughts? That's one. Then later, although Arch did not necessarily agree that Ephron saved the film. Ouch.

He understood that, quote, sometimes you're not the star, but if they keep doing the job right, you will be the star. It maintains that several scenes ultimately remained almost exactly how he had envisioned them in the first draft, despite several rewrites. Great job, Jeff. Why is this on Wikipedia? Great. And then also this, Arch was inspired to have see him live in a houseboat

upon watching a Seattle-based episode of This Old House, which featured host Bob Vila, visiting a similar home. These are things that would not be in any... Literally only Jeff Arch and people in his immediate circle would know.

So I just, I really enjoyed reading the Wikipedia page and just laughing at all these extra things. You know Jeff Arch if he wrote his Wikipedia page is going to listen to this podcast, so... I figured. That's why I'm being careful

because maybe it was somebody who's very close to Jeff Arch. I'm just saying there's someone in the Jeff Arch circle. Are the Wikipedia rules, I don't edit Wikipedia pages? Yes. Believe it or not, you can edit your own or did he have to like email all of these thoughts to someone else? This was a, we used to work with Bill Bardemone. This was one of his favorite things when somebody.

Edit it their own page. When it was like there were Wikipedia things where it's like, wow, that's a lot of information. Yeah. Also on his IMDB page, it's a very long paragraph about Jeff Arch's career. career, which had five credits. All right, we're going to move on to the Big Cahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. What's the answer?

Is it when they're eating the oysters at that place? Well, this is an unconventional answer, but I think it's the sandwiches when Annie reads explaining to her mom how they met because of the weird sandwich, lettuce and tomato. Oh, the lettuce and tomato. You're right. That's what it is. Well, I was going to ask if tiramisu is eligible. We never see the tiramisu, though, do we?

We don't see the lettuce and tomato. That's fair. But they talk about it so much. But the sandwiches are... It's probably the lettuce and tomato only because I had that in nitpicks. Like, what man orders a lettuce and tomato on wheat? What woman orders a lettuce and tomato on white?

Also, not even making it... With no mayonnaise or anything? They order that in. They're not making it in their kitchen. They're ordering it in from their local blimpies or whatever. If you were with somebody in there, like, can you get me a lettuce and tomato on wheat? I would be like, are you dying?

What's happening? Do you have an advanced form of cancer? What is that order? Bennett's a Benihano Award for scene stealing locations. It's got to be the Empire State Building. Yes, absolutely. I like the Puget Sound. Puget Sound let's get, too.

The Kid Cutty Pursuit Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. The Bye Bye Blackbird's really good. It is a good song, too. That's a good song, too. I can't believe that Project X is the reference. How did that happen? Because it's so ridiculous. We're paying tribute to Project X.

Can I throw in one more? Yeah. Stand by your man. Perfect propulsive use at the end. Really, like, it adds some energy. It gets you through, like, the sort of transitional moment. It's a perfect transitional song. Back in the saddle again is also funny when he's calling for the day.

Yeah, that's funny. You're right. And I just shout out to Harry Connick Jr. Winkin a Smile. Great song. Great Shot Gorder Award for most cinematic shot for our guy Gordon Willis. I like the beginning the wide shot of the funeral. It is very.

With Chicago in the background, it was really cool. I thought that was nice. For me, it is like the framing of Jonah and Sam on the bench with them both on the phones and holding the phones. That's good one. Yeah, that's good one. So beautiful. I was going to say the helicopter shot. I mean, not to be too obvious, but once you can see Jonah and then you get all of New York.

When you go backwards? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty good. Affa definitely crib that. Yeah, of course. A lot of his movies. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for the weak link of the film, for me, it's, Walter just takes the broken engagement.

Basically, like, she canceled lunch with them on Wednesday. And I'm not positive he even understood that he wasn't engaged anymore because it's unclear how smart he was. I think he still goes to the wedding. And it's like, where are she? I thought she was coming. I wonder what he thought was happening when he was like, you've been, it's like you went somewhere for the last six weeks. Like, what do you think that was? Yeah.

Like, did he think it was an affair? Is there any way? He didn't think it was a fair. Like, what is he referring to? I don't even know. I have no idea, because that just goes straight into a completely deranged monologue while shopping for dishes at Tiffany. And I'm just like, what does anyone think is happening here?

You couldn't. I do. This is just like my grandmother's China. How many place setting should I put down? Ten. Exactly. Eight is too few. Twelve is too many.

Ten. 10 8 is too few 12 is too many I have to say Walter being so into his grandmother's dishes was just kind of like a weird detail

I don't know There's not one believable normal thing about Walter I would say the only Other than he's handsome Because he's Bill Palmer And that's why you like him I've never even found him

That handsome I just like there's something about him That draws me in But you feel bad Because women keep leaving him And you want to take him under your wing And save him Except for Sandra Bullock, of course.

Right, true. I would say for me, the weak link is, without a doubt, Gabby Hoffman's parents. Like, her father? Like, what movie is he in? He's like, he's like a Seinfeld character or something.

What does he say to her? This is your father? Like, this is your fault, or this is your father? This is your father. Right. So I had it. You're in front of her.

Like, what? She knows. I also had him for the Rufflohanna Rubinick Partridge Overacting Award. Okay. He comes in just smoking hot. So hot. It's a great point.

What movie are you in? You're not in the movie. We're all in. We're enjoying a nice little rom-com here. I'd like to nominate Clarice for the weak link. Oh, see, I go the opposite. I had her as a possible Dian Waiters. I thought the whole point of that character was like she was basically a lobotomized babysitter.

Yeah, she definitely is. And you're right to some extent that it doesn't matter. But I just, when Jonah goes missing, she's really not helping. You know, and I'm just, I'm in a phase in my life where I need that figure to, at least, you know. I thought that was an intentional Nora Ephron thing where she's making fun of all terrible babysitters with the Clurys. Well, was Clary supposed to be home when Sam first meets Gabby Hoffman? And they're like in the chair and they're like, Dad, Paul is dead. And because there's no, there's no one home otherwise.

Like that's like the precursor. It's like, Jonah, Jonah. It was weird. Yeah. What's age the worst? the graphics for the flights for the end of the movie they almost need to just spend 50K

and make some better ones it's so bad the swirling from the Empire State Building when it's lit up country map the map is also really weird it looks like a kindergartner's like topography map

it's really rough paper machet There's a couple guys wouldn't act like this moments that I just have to mention as a guy Okay. Rob Reiner rating Sam's butt. Just want to know what it's like, you know, out there. That's what I'm trying to tell you, what women are looking for.

Peck's in a cute butt. Well, you mean like he has the cutest butt? Yeah. Where did I hear that recently? Everywhere. I mean, you can't even turn on the news nowadays without hearing about how some babe thought some guy's butt was cute. Who the first woman to say this was? I don't know, but somehow it caught on.

So has my butt. Not bad. Really? Yeah. Is it cute? It's not happening. Okay. I don't know.

The guy's crying about talking about dirty dozen was a funny bit, but she's not happening. Okay. Those are my two. But aren't they just making fun of you Wilson? I think they are. Yeah. I think that's a joke. Yeah.

Okay. I accept that one. Are we sure it's a joke? Yeah. They're making fun of her. I think they're ganging up on her. I have always taken it as a joke. Okay.

Maybe I'm looking at it around. Yeah, they're making fun of her. Yeah. I agree that most men I know would not earnestly cry about the dirty dozen, even though on the inside they're crying all the time about it. Would Zach Barron ask Sean Fantasy if he had an attractive butt? I'm going to say no. As you're walking on the street, like, I don't know, is my butt? How is my butt?

No, not like that. But, I mean, I can see, no, he wouldn't. He would definitely ask him to borrow a jacket or vice versa. Yeah, there would be a lot of questions about styling and how to, you know, general comportment. beer jail 8 year olds buying an airplane flight I don't know if it's in what's age the worst Or picking nits or unanswerable questions

Maybe it's in all three categories I've had two eight year olds Okay And girls are smarter than boys Especially younger My 8 year old boy would not have been able to like order postmates I'm not even sure he can do it now Is not intuitive so

Just like they just rip off those airplane fights and then if you want to go even further like he's able to get on a plane He's able to land He's able to figure out how to It's hard now as adults to figure out where to get where to get a taxi He's able to do that he's able to grab a taxi This kid's eight Yeah the taxi part is is outrageous I hear what you're saying I just have a couple counterpoints

They're travel agents she's using their equipment. She's not just like buying a flight, but she's like logging in. Oh, that's fair. That's a good counter. Yeah. So it's not like she's just like calling the air.

Right. Well, she's really smart. She's definitely a busy body. Definitely. So if you don't. It's not like Amanda's son six years from now. Like he just went and edited a ringer piece because his mom left her computer open. Well, we know how Nora Ephron feels about travel agents.

She does not have very high esteem for them. It's a little. far-fetch. Yes, it is, of course. But so be it. I mean, whatever. I would say the other thing is just like, I don't know if it's what's aged the worst so much as just like what's changed so much, but all the airline stuff is super pre-9-11 where you could like go up to the gate, anyone could come. I miss those days. Yeah, when you could greet your loved one when they arrived, like at the gate. That was nice. Also, whatever. I have a lot of thoughts on 9-11, but that's for a podcast. All right. It's a new ringer podcast.

Yeah, him landing and figuring out how to get to the Empire State Building and then how to get to the top is just... Right. I mean, this kid, he might be running the country down. He might be running one of the tech companies. Also, no adult at any point being like, hey, you need help. He's just like, the taxi driver's like, you're going to spit off the top when he get there? And instead of being like, who are you meeting? Yeah, what world is this where it's like, hey, where are your parents?

Feels like a good question. What stage are worse? Like multiple people in different spots listening to just a radio show. Yeah. That's not happening anymore. Yeah. That would be a podcast. Was that even really possible at the time?

Like, was there national radio? Like, a syndicated show. Like, could you hear it in multiple cities? I feel like there was because Corolla became pretty famous from Loveline, which was, I think, like a kind of a version of this kind of show. Right. Yeah. And I guess if it was Colin, it would have to be at the same time. Yeah, that's my question.

The syndication for sure. Yeah. But if it's live. No, I guess so. Yeah. We mentioned before about what's age the worst? Annie stalking. Right.

No smartphones. All the landlines jump out when you watch. Definitely. Multiple cord phones in the same. And how long the cords are. Yeah. But that was the thing. I remember buying like a 40-foot cord so I can pace around as I made phone calls.

Every computer scene in this movie feels like it's from 1842. Yeah. Those, and that was what was like those green letters. I remember. It's just like you'd get like go cross-side after five seconds. What else do you have, Juliet? Postal mail? Just like so much mail.

And now you'd just DM them, you know? Or emails. Yeah, exactly. But I did like the sort of like the big old canvas postal carrier, but that really set out to me quite a bit. Permed short hair as a plot device. Yeah. You know, because like no one has that hair anymore, first of all.

If it's that curly, I mean, it's just a lot of maintenance. I understand it to wear it that short. But two people having the curls correct and then being mistaken for each other from behind, yeah, that's a very early 90s situation. It's a great one. That is a good one. Ron Burgundy Flute Award, best time for P-break. I personally don't like when the dead wife actually appears in those lines with him.

I fucking hate that they did. I would have cut that out. I completely agree. She works way better as this just super attractive ghost that floats through the memories a couple times. I don't want to see him doing lines with her. It's like two lines. He's heartbroken. Cut it.

Okay. I have a different one. So you like it. What do you got? The David Hyde Pierce scene. Oh. You know, like I get it. She's not sure whether she wants to be married and she's like working through it with someone sensible.

You know, like in terms of like practical joy kills, we have the Bill Pullman character. We don't also need the David Hyde Pierce brother. It was like he was filming Frazier and they were like, do you want to come over and do a scene? We'll just write you into the movie. Did you have a different one, Juliet? I would just say when they called Dr. Marsha a second time when Victoria comes over for dinner and Jonah calls again. I just don't feel like we needed that. We didn't need Dr. Marsha to be involved again.

It adds very little. We know that Jonah hates her. But then you get Meg Ryan in the broom closet. And you get Pullman being like it was Miss Scarlett in the broom closet with the radio, which is a very charming moment. Another terrible Walter joke. Walter, can you have a normal moment? Can you go two minutes just being normal? Were you ever into board games?

Yeah, I went younger, yeah. Yeah, I was, I mean, I'm overcompetitive, so you can imagine how my family members felt. As I turned blank, did the scrabble, did the turn the letters over to make it seem like, yeah, I did all this. Okay. Was there a better title for this movie? No. It's perfect. It's great.

It's really good. Best quote. I could give you either, you don't want to be in love. You'd want to be in love in a movie. It's a great. That's a great one. Those were the days when people knew how to be in love. You're a basket case.

They knew it. Time, distance, nothing could separate them because they knew it was right. It was real. It was a movie. That's your problem. You don't want to be in love. You want to be in love in a movie. Read it to me.

If I said that to you, Juliet, would you be offended or would you say that's correct? Both. Okay. I think that's a good response. It's easier to get killed by a terrorist than get married after the age of 40. It's just a classic Nora Ephron one lighter. Just ripping it off. Really good.

Any other quotes for you? My favorite line is always, of what? Her first name could be doctor when first meets Dr. Marsha. That is a good one. Well, it's time for the Stevie-D-Smithadis take a word. Last time Julie had actually caught fire and we had to blow her out with a fire extinguisher. Unknocked up.

Yeah. What you got this time? I just think this is like by far like Rosie O'Donnell's peak like her life. Like she's just so good. It's not even Apex Mountain. It's just like this movie owes a lot to Rosie O'Donnell. She is the perfect grizzled friend. She's so good in it.

I like can't believe it because I do not like her. Like I don't like anything else she's ever done. I liked her in beautiful girls. I liked her in League of Their Own. I loved her talk show. You did? I'm a child of the 90s. I went home.

She wanted Tom Cruise to come on the show. I didn't. I just said, I didn't like the Tom Cruise thing. Yeah, well, I did. And I liked the talk show. Wow. My friend Daniel produced that show for a little while. You're not going to believe this, but Rosie was hard to work with.

Yeah. I'm shocked. Yeah. Are she and Madonna still friends? I don't think so. It's tough. Okay. Not the hot of a take.

She's great in it. One of the most ripped off characters. The Rosio Donald Sleep is in Seattle, best friend character. Both of these. The best friend character, but I guess you could say when Harry Met Sally really started it, right? Carrie Fisher and Bruno Kirby. Yeah, but Carrie Fisher's character is so different in it.

And like, I don't know, she's not really a sidekick. She has an arc. Yeah. You're right. You're right. I know you're right. Yeah. Tell me I never have to be out there again.

That could have been a good spin. I would have watched a spin-off movie of her character. Oh, definitely. She's great. That would have been a good sitcom, her and Bruno Kirby. I wish we could do Carrie Fisher's career over again. Yeah, me too. There's a whole like...

There's a whole like 1979 to 1988 arc for her that's just completely different. Because I think the Star Wars thing was so overpowering. And the substance abuse? Well, that wasn't helping her. Her and Marco Kidder. Both of them were like really good actresses, really attractive, like really distinct. and I just don't feel like they maximized it. It's frustrating.

Absolutely. Do you have out of state? No, I do. What is it? A year and a half is way too soon to be shopping for a new wife. I'm sorry. We are violating all sorts of timelines here. Don't even get me started on introducing Victoria to the little kid after like one date.

That is, that's not responsible. But I had that in nitpicks as a child of the worst. It was pretty early to. A year and a half. And you're just supposed to be, like, totally over it and ready to be in a new relationship. I, frankly, was offended on behalf of the ghostwife. Isn't it? Don't people say, though, if you were happily married and then you're widowed, like, you end up with someone sooner?

Sure. But once again, I may have been watching this movie from the perspective of the ghost wife. And let me just say, one and a half years is not enough time. I feel like too minimum. Most of the people in his life were basically hitting him over the head to find somebody else. I think everyone is rushing it. Yeah. Well, I understand that.

And I think that I think in reality, if you are actually in this situation, if my family is in the situation, Zach is allowed to do whatever he wants. I just want everyone to be happy. But I don't think this is particularly respectful to the nice woman in the drop waist dressed. I have way hotter takes on this. Okay. Okay. I just think that should be it. You married and your spouse died and that's it.

You can't get married again. Oh, this is like a life hot tale. Karen and I talked about this. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm kind of with you on this, but I don't want to. What's the point? To not be alone?

Well, the whole point is till death do you part, I guess. So then now you're allowed to, now we're getting into dark places. But I just feel like I'm good. I had a wife. I would date. I wouldn't want to get married again. That's just me personally. A year and a half after I'm dead.

And anyone is on the radio being like, Like, I'm ready to, I guess he doesn't say he's ready. He just talks about how great she is. Yes. His son is pushing for it. Right. Yeah. I guess my issue here is with the child.

You know, you got to find other ways to work through it. But he is also a child. This should be a whole podcast we do where it's just like, like debates like this or like, Leo took all this shit for allegedly dating a 19 year old. Just photographed next to a 19 year old. What's the lowest? Who among us? What is it? Is 25 cool for him?

I would say the lowest age is 18. 25? Yeah, I would say it's like when you're an adult. I don't like that he's dating a 19 year old, but like, I don't know. But what do people want from him? Like 27? What's a good age? Is that we'd all be like, okay, that's fine.

Yeah. I don't get it. Also, I mean, not to like give him a pass. People like just like dumping on him now. Yeah. He likes everyone in for Giselle. Giselle loved him the most. It's probably like half his age plus two.

Okay. Oh, that's interesting. Half of age plus two. So he's like late 40s right now? Yeah. So if he's 48, that's 26. I just don't know what he would talk about with somebody who's 19. That's like two years old than my daughter.

Right. I don't know if he's interested in talking. So it's fine. Definitely not late in my daughter date, Leo. Okay. Yeah, I'm coming around the other way. Yeah, Liam. Stay in the mid late 20s.

I just think that like, what do people think his relationships are? Like, I mean, I don't know. But like, I'm just a just a. assuming it's not like a normal person's relationship where it's like you're looking for like a deep emotional connection. I think he just like's flying around and hanging out on yachts and probably smoking pot. He's not just like us. So yeah, like what do I know? It seems like he does like the Israeli models though. Well, they're beautiful. Yeah. That's like that's like one of his go-toes. Yeah. Barafi Elie is beautiful. He's definitely an Israeli model Raya.

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So long Nick. They're like, hey, Nick, what about sleepers in Seattle? It was like, cool. And then they ended up bumping Nick. because Nora Ephron clashing over the direction in the script in the studio is like, yeah,

we're gonna go with Nora Ephron. That's it for Nick. Yeah. Nick ended up doing Dennis the menace the same year. I love that movie. Nick went from Hook

to Slippas in Seattle and Dennis the Medus. That's tough. Lots of internet stuff on the role of Annie that I... Do you believe this? This is, I think, our 275th rewatchable.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Cool. Learn to sift through. there's a smell test that comes with some of this stuff. In the movie like this, they'll just throw every actress who's in the age of any.

It does seem like Julia Roberts was kind of lurking. Yes. And there's stuff on the internet that it was offered to her and she turned it down. She's talked about it. So that one's believable

because she has discussed it. Yeah, I think I believe that. This is also a time of change for Julia Roberts. I mean, Hook, then I believe the Kiefer Sutherland non-marriage was. There's some off-the-camera stuff going wrong.

She's getting super skinny. Yeah. I'll leave it at that. Terrible haircut and hook. That would send me over the edge, too. Yeah. I think she was battling some stuff for a couple years there. There's some Kim Basinger stuff that I think I believe that at least they kicked the tires with her.

I don't believe any of the other stuff. I do think Demi Moore would have been interesting in this. I don't think she would have been as good as Meg Ryan. But it's the kind of movie I think she could have, she never made in that. 90 to 97 stretch that I think she could have. And it's like too early for Sandra Bullock. Julie's probably too famous. I think she overpowers the movie in some ways.

Meg Ryan's obviously perfect. But that's, to me more, I'm not like, there's a world where she could be in this and be pretty good. Because you got to be a little devious what she is. I just feel like she was always a little bit too feisty, like for this type of role.

Like beginning of St. Elmo Spire. and I don't know. She has more of a bad girl. She's looking like a little more Robin Rite-ish? Yeah. Well, like Princess Buttercut. But neither of those are quite daffy enough. I don't even want to say neurotic because I think one of the amazing things that Meg Ryan does is this.

In this is like she is. She's not neurotic. She's not neurotic. Even though that character is like a little bit all over the place and like has like very particular opinions and is basically just throwing her life up in the air. But so there's just something, I mean, Daffy is the best word that I can think of. And Demi Moore and Robin Wright are like more controlled. Mm-hmm.

It's just like their sex appeal like is just so much greater than Meg Ryan's. Yes. As like the sort of like an ingenue type of person. All right. You say that. But Meg Ryan was super attractive in this. I'm not saying she's not too attractive. I had a girl in college, but she's different though.

I won't name who was kind of like Meg Ryan in this movie. And everyone was in love with her. There's something like she's smart enough to know what's going on, but also not smart to know how she's being seen. But is that attainable hot versus like sex appeal? Because I think part of the reason Meg Ryan is so sick. Yeah, that's fair. She's like, you feel like you could.

You could land her. You get some cocktail party and you talk to her and you have a chance. Robin Wright is like just such a striking, unique look. And like so, like her poise is just very different than Meg Ryan's. Yeah, there's just a relatability also to Meg Ryan. That's important. for you root for her, even though, as previously discussed, she's stalking this random guy that she heard about on the radio.

And misusing corporate funds. Right. That's a good debate. Another good debate, guys. Thanks. This seems real to me that Meg Ryan, when she got it, was pushing for Dennis Quaid to be the Hank's part. Her husband.

Ephron overruled it because they were married. I believe that. I do, too. I'm glad that you overruled. Yeah, I'll tell you, but he would not have landed that speech. Not a good enough actor. Yeah, not good. Ephron wanted Rosie to do first sleepist in Seattle.

What would be Goldberg done for Ghost? Comic relief slash comes in and steals some scenes. Mission accomplished. Yeah, yeah. Pulled it off. Great job. And then I love this. This is pretty inside baseball, but they had another actor who was Jonah and who got fired after a few days.

I think Tom Hanks pushed for him to be fired. So, all right. So that said in the Wikipedia, but then there's another thing where Nora, or Hanks is talking about the movie and said, Nora Ephron just fired him after a few days. In the HBO documentary about Nora Ephron, everything is copy. Like Tom Hanks tells that story. And it's like, oh my God, you're firing the kid. Now obviously, you know, recollections may vary. But that's his version.

Right. Well. I don't know that it just wasn't working. Carrie Simmons Googled the second Jonah, Ross Mounder. and apparently now sells cars in Los Angeles. Oh, really? Malibu, in fact.

Yeah. Wow. She was all excited about it. Yeah. I think it's sort of an unhappy story. Like, I think he's happy now, but I think like... Like it had a couple of rough moments? It thinks so.

I've heard of car. You're saying a child actor, might have had some hiccups. I know. It's hard to believe. Best That Guy Award? I think it's David Hyde Pierce. Does he count as that guy at this point? He's a that guy back then.

Yeah. So I think it's definitely him. Now it's probably, if you're going to say 30 years later, it's probably Victor Garber, because nobody would know he's been in a million things, but nobody would really know he's Victor Garber, right? Yeah, I mean, he's been in so many things like I care about that he's definitely, like, present in my life, but. I don't think most people know what his name is.

So he qualifies as that. He doesn't know. He's also in the younger generation there. He's in Titanic, too. Oh, right. He's iconic in Titanic. Oh, yeah. You're right.

So maybe he is Victor Garber. Yeah. I think he still is. I think it's Francis Conroy. Because like, she is one of Annie's sisters who also kind of looks like maybe it's like her aunt or something. I might be her aunt actually. She's the mom in six feet under and she's just been in like a bunch of random TV stuff. Also, Latania Richardson is one of the women in the diner.

Oh. Yeah. Really? Yeah. She's, yeah. Interesting. Dionne Waiters Award. Is Rosie eligible?

I mean, you're the arbiter on this. How many scenes is she in? She's in a lot. She's in too many. She's like probably the third lead of the movie. She's like also like a crucial plot mechanism. Like she sends the letter, you know. So we have Dream Ghost Carrie Lowell.

Okay. Gabby Hoffman. I have her in a different category. Empire State Building Security Guard. Really having a moment there. Or my vote is Clarista babysitter who fucking kills me. That has the same expression on her face in like three scenes for nine minutes. Definitely true to life.

I have Caroline Aaron. I think Dr. Marshall Fieldsstone. Oh, that's a good one. Okay, that's good. Is Rita Wilson eligible? Yeah. Sure. I really like that monologue.

It's good. Okay. Yeah. So I'm going Rita Wilson. Okay. I didn't tell you I was doing this. Or maybe I did 2003 recasting coach. Did I tell you think about this?

I'm incredibly ready. We also, we had a long text exchange about it, so I'm a little concerned about your memory. Oh, I thought that was with my wife. Yeah. Listen. After that booster shot, I've never been the same. I keep telling you guys. I have no memory anymore.

All right. I'll go last. Man, do you go first? There's only one answer. I can't wait just like that. Do you know what it is? Julia, it's been trying to grass. No.

Guys, it's Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez. No, they're too old. Come on. No, they're not. Too old. Too old. Ben Affleck is, you're,

this is, I'm shocked by this. This is. What do you mean you're shocked by this? Terrible idea. It's been, it's incredible. He's been doing amazing work as like the charming side guy in movies. See, Tender Bar. I'm sure whatever's.

Yeah, we should see it because no one has. Good idea. Tender bar? Yeah. It's available on Amazon Prime, Julia. You can see it anytime you want and also order some socks. I tried twice and each time it knocked me unconscious. Well, he was very good.

And sorry for doing my job. No. Sam has to be younger because you have to feel like he's got to find another wife. He's got this eight-year-old kid. He still has a chance to have his family. Okay, Ben-Avlex only 50, maybe 51. I think he turned 50 last year. No, he's like a year younger than me.

It's like 52. So, okay. so he could have a 12 year old. She did you say 51. Yeah. So he could have a 12 year old. The kid's eight. Jonah's eight. Okay, well, age the kid up a little bit. Plus, it's, I don't know. I think Jennifer Lopez deserves a rom-com worthy of her talents. Also, he made a, he did Jersey Girl, which was basically the bad version of this movie. I think that they deserve another chance as they got in real life. And they both deserve good material. And I am shocked and really disappointed that you guys

aren't on this journey with me. I'm shocked that you chose that. So you're basically rooting for Jee's a girl, too. You're worrying them to break up again. Good. Okay, I'm not rooting for that. But I also do accept life's realities, okay? And if we could get some good art in the meantime, are you serious? You can't imagine him sitting on that bench calling into the radio show?

He would smash it. I'm going to crush this. You would be weeping. I have a good one. I have such a better one, but you go. I have to actually think I have two that I think are both good. I feel right now. I just, I don't think Jennifer, I love Jennifer Lowe's.

I love the wedding planner. I just... I think also... She doesn't do... She's not daffy. We've learned a lot of this podcast. Well, I think that's the other thing is that you could actually update the anime character a little bit. But why?

Because she's a stalker. So many women are. That part's going to be different. That part of a much more congenial. You go and then I'm excited for mine. This is not even someone I particularly like. I'm really upset, but keep going. I have a long list, though. but here's my top choice.

Are you ready? John Krasinski. What? Jim from the office? I love Jim from the office. Jim as the lead in this movie? I don't know. I think it worked.

You flew across the country to be here in person for Valentine's Day to say to my face, I would prefer John Krasinski over Ben Affleck. I think Ben Affleck's an interesting idea, but too old. Jennifer Lopez definitely not. Can I give you my number two? Sure. Jake Lacey. Let's get back to rom-coms, man.

Don't play the bad guy. I'm trying to make this A-list. These were the ones you brought to the tables. Jake Lacey? I love him. Have you seen obvious child? He's good in movies. Have you seen the one when he goes hiking and it turns out he's an alien?

No. Is that real? No. He goes on a, he goes hiking with somebody and weird shit starts happening. It turns out, I'm probably spoiling him. He basically plays Walter and obvious child, but likable. I see Jake Lacey is the Bill Paul. and 78 IQ character.

He's so lovable. I think he'd be great. I remember you're trying to put movie stars back in movies. And you're out here. Ben Afflegg will need to take a cut and direct this movie. Do you want him to direct it as part of their new company? I think that he could do okay with this. Yes.

We have no evidence of that. Well, are we ready for a good idea or should we just keep going with the bad ones? Okay. Miles Teller. So, Glenn Powell was one that Amanda and I discussed all nine. Grandpa's too cocky. Miles Teller. Okay.

All right. But who's the Annie? Who's the Annie? I don't know the Annie. I have a lot of options. Annie's hard. No one's coming with real idea. We got to have both of them.

But Miles Teller has to be Sam. He's the right age. He could do it. He's an actual good actor. And as he proved in Top Gun can do a little bit of the, you know, to pull it your heart a tiny bit. I like Miles Teller, but I need to know the Annie. So I'm going to throw this at you as a thought experiment. But just don't react right away.

Just walk with me. Is it Sydney Sweetie? Just hold, no, it's not Sydney Sweetie. For the first time, it's not. Hold my hand as I walk with you toward this world. We haven't been building trust in this podcast, so it's like hard to ask me now, but keep going. I can't wait to find out who it is. Just hold my hand as we walk here and throw away the last six years of movies, basically.

Okay. Jennifer Lawrence. So Meg Ryan referenced. Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone as like her own heirs, basically. Emma Stone was the other one I had. But I think Jennifer Lawrence is too hot. Too hot. Yeah, but she could, you could do it in this.

The Silver Linings playbook, Jennifer Lawrence would be very good. Cut down, like no real makeup, just like change how you dress. But I think she needs to be in a movie like this. She got too weird with her choices. She did that thing where it's fine to get weird once in a while, but every once in a while I say this all the time in the rewatchables, especially when we talk about movies like this. everyone's why you're going to be a movie star.

Right. Like it's a Cruz and Jerry McGuire is the ultimate example. It's just like, all right, Cruz, you did Far and Away, did an interview with the vampire. Like, how about just be a fucking movie star for two hours? And I think she's kind of like off the track and she just has to do that again. Talk me through what Annie is doing in 2023. Definitely working for Ben Smith's new startup. Okay.

Semaphore? Semiphora. Oh my God. Okay. Jennifer Lawrence is not working for that Scent before. I was with you. Did you see Cosway? The movie that she did with...

BuzzFeed? Okay. No, she's working for the cut. Okay. Yeah, she's working for the cut. Okay. And I just... I don't know.

I just think that, like, there's something... I think I like the Emma Stone idea better than Jennifer Lawrence. Emma Stone's, like, too predictable, though. And... And... Don't you think it's like, oh, of course Emma Stone's in this movie. I love Emma Stone. I think she's a wonderful actress.

But she gets to neurotic, like, a little faster. than you want. Jennifer Lawrence has the groundedness for the Annie. I like that. The only one of this thinking who I think has lost control of the narrative in a lot of different ways. Yeah. Don't do it.

I knew you were going to do it. But then that would be a Miles Teller, Shailene Woodley reunion, which I like. I would like the meta-narrative. That's why I'm also. She would do the no makeup. She would have like some weird style in the movie, but you'd be like, oh, I like this person. I think I like Jennifer Lawrence more. I just want to see her in a movie like this.

I agree. She's got to do it at some point. I like the Emma Stone one because I think that like the physical acting of it. And Jennifer Lawrence can do this too and she wants to. But I think that's like an underrated part of the Meg Ryan performance. It's like she really like moves her body in kind of like a dramatic way actually. Like the way she walks is very specific. I don't know.

I have one more of that will make you sad. Okay. Okay. Who I actually think would have been the best choice. Lindsay Lohan? No. Lindsay, wow, if mean girls come in. Right.

No, I think he's not alive, but this would have been like a great Chadwick Bowman. Chadwick Bowman and Sam. Wow, absolutely. Would have been, just would have crushed it in like three of these scenes. So I thought of him. I was thinking about Michael B. Jordan, but I just think the creed and the action stuff, I just wouldn't buy him as like some. He'd have to lose like 30 pounds of muscle.

Have you seen that awkward moment? Yeah, it didn't work. Miles Teller, Michael and Jordan are both in it. I know. It's a movie that had real stars. It was a bad script.

It just was a bad movie. Yeah, it was a bad script. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's just like almost impossible. I think there's something about both of these actors that are so, that's just like you can't rep. Well, do you want to jump ahead to sequel, prequel,

prestige TV, all podcast or untouchable because if they remade this, Amanda, walk me through like the first 30 seconds that for you. They're remaking this movie. Of my reaction? Yeah. The news has come out. They're remaking Sleep is in Seattle. They want to modernize it. They want to make it like now it's the internet era. Like we're going to. Oh no. Can I? As soon as you, as soon as it's the internet era, I'm like, well, you've got mail already exists. No, but like the real internet era where like all the ways this movie would be different if you had like what Juliet said, like the

basically how easy it is the internet stock now. Right. Yeah. And also like if what would happen to this guy if he had a moment like that instead of the 2000 pieces of mail he's a celebrity overnight, right? He's on, everybody knows his story in 10 hours. Yeah.

So what does that look like? Yeah, what does that look like? He'd go viral in this world. Right, right. I actually think there's some interesting ways that could go. It is, but you almost, you can't say you're doing a remake. Then you have to do like an inspired by

in the way that this movie is sort of inspired by an affair to remember. Or you've got mail. Or, yeah, because. Well, Affair to Remember was 57, right? So this was 93, so it's 36 years. Yeah. So this would be 30 plus years after that. Because what you're saying, that makes an interesting movie. But if you tell me that you're just remaking sleepless in Seattle and then, but without Nora Ephron, Tom Hanks or Meg Ryan,

like, I'm pretty angry, right? That's my 32nd reaction. But there is certainly something there. Should we call Jeff Arch? Yeah. I, can I throw in another option to see prequel prestige all black or untouchable British I think this I think a remake should be British You're not gonna throw Hugh Granite I'm sorry

I was gonna throw in Phoebe Waller Bridge Oh I think that like if I was thinking Of like who I'd want to like write and direct it She'd be my top choice Could she be Annie? I was gonna say what if you made her Sam Oh interesting I like that

Gender flip it Oh gender flip Yeah I like that Miles Tower is Annie Wow And you make a guy the stalker, but like in like not like I'm a stalker way, but like the one who's like researching a lot.

The stalker gets super. Well, I think in general, I think as Juliette has noted, we have like updated understanding of research on the internet, of a prospective partner, but then also you just have to walk the stocking back. Like you probably wouldn't go in person. You wouldn't make the Seattle trip, which is okay, because that's the weirdest part anyway. Phoebe Waller Bridge is Sam. Yeah. That's pretty good.

Yeah. gender flip. You have to do a bunch of things that would make it feel different. Because anytime they just remake something, it doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah, you'd update it. It's like when they, the worst one, I mean, there's been a lot of awful ones. But like when they did the point break one, which I was like ready to fight people.

I was like, why are we doing this? Yeah. Point break was fine. When I was thinking through this thought experiment, I was thinking about set it up was Zoe Deutsch and Glenn Powell. And I'm just like, why hasn't Zoe Deutsch found another good romcom? Does people not like her? Is it the nepotism? Like, what is it?

A lot of at-bats. Yeah. Yeah. You can't just keep making the same types of movies. You're going to burn people out. Yeah, I guess. But conversely, J-Law needs to make a movie like this. I need to spend...

I'm open to it. I'm still really disappointed that no one responded to my Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez idea, but I will accept your Miles Teller, Jennifer Lawrence, remake. Listen, if it was 2008, I would have loved it. Listen, why can't old people have loved to? I'm an old person I'm against it.

To me it's more of I just don't want to see Ben Affleck and J-Lo in the same movie. I definitely do not. Also, I'm scarred by their wedding, honestly. By the way, J-Lo's back. Love J-Lo. Yeah. The Shotgun Weddy movie was like one of the most successful Amazon movies ever. I watched it.

I'm definitely going to. When she was also in the one last year, I was like, clear my schedule. I need to get Peacock. I'm sick because I've had Josh Dumas' stock for, I don't know. 25 years. It's like, this gonna happen for this guy.

I think it'd be hard to find like bigger J-Lo enthusiasts than me and Amanda. We've been covering every single move that she's made on Jam session for a long time.

So this is not anti-Dala. She's like LeBron. She just always is going to be at the top. I want her to have good material. You know? She's also like really takes care of herself like LeBron.

She's like an athlete. She's like doesn't drink. She knows. Is that like an enhancement show? No. No. No. She's like, you know,

maybe like Steve Nash is the better come. Okay, gotcha. I think she is vegan. Half-ass internet research. You mentioned several studios rejected the script. We mentioned Ephron was pretty

stickler about saying my fucking lines the right way, which I respect and love. We mentioned Hanks and Ephron talking about the character, blah, blah, blah. About how they needed to blow it out, Sam.

I did not know. that the car were disappointed in Denver was voiced by nor Effron. Yeah, nor did I. Yeah. Yeah. Any other half-ass? Because we talked about most of it.

Parker Posey was cut out. Yeah. And then she ended up and you've got mail. She's great and you've got mail. So good. This is right around the time you would have wanted Parker Posey in a movie. Yeah. Because she's in my favorite the year after.

But Josh Hamilton. She's too cool at this point for this movie. This is one nice. thing about this movie is that it's... Would you want her as a babysitter? Oh, yeah, maybe. For a little more tape. She'd be as Clarice.

And then the only other one was that the other story that's being pitched when Annie is pitching her story is it's about the soup Nazi that then shows up in Seinfeld. So I had that and probably in answerable questions did Seinfeld rip this off. Rip off the soup Nazi from

this? I think no. I think probably someone encountered the soup non. Yeah. It was probably a New York thing. Apex Mountain. Tom Hanks. 93.

He's got this in Philadelphia. He's about to make Forrest Gump. I think Forrest Gump is his Apex Mountain because after that it's, you're just making any Tom Hanks movie. I don't know if he's quite there yet. He's a year away, but we're close. It sets it up. And it's also a giant fucking mountain.

Yeah. Like Tom Hanks' Apex Mountain is like you're climbing it for it. It's like the, it's the 100 hour final of the challenge. It's like you got to sleep on it and rest up the next day to keep climbing Stand overnight for as long as possible There's like cabins halfway up I think yes for Seattle

This is it I think 93 is Apex Mount for Seattle Okay sure that is true It's got the most going on That it's ever going to have Just a great place Right Like I wish I'd live there after college

It was so cool I wish you would live there too I feel like you feel so much like warmth towards Seattle? I think would have been great. It would have been so in on coffee. I would have bought Starbucks stock. Yeah.

It would have been awesome. Do you like the weather? I would have been like Campbell Scott and singles just like at a sound garden show like kind of staring at somebody from 20 feet away. Meg Ryan, I say yes. I say yes too. I do too. This is her best. I don't even think it's a bait.

No. I don't think she makes another movie that's like as good. She could also eight straight years of you could just, you could get a, you could get a, movie funded if she came into it. And she's probably the number one choice for probably supplants Julia because Julia's got, you know. Yeah. She had a couple.

She'd hook and flatliners and there's some off-the-set stuff with her. Meg Ryan becomes the safe bet. This cements her status and kind of writes the check really for the rest of the career. Yeah. This is like, this is the peak for sure. I think this is the most like close to a definition of Apex Mountain that we could find. And then a couple years later, she's like, I have no check. And then Sandra Bullock's like, I'm coming.

With Bill Pullman. I'm coming for you. I love Sandra Bullock so much. She's great. She looks so good in Speed. Such a great came in a know. I honestly thought you were going to say she looks so good in Lost City, which she also does. She's good for 30 years.

She's great. Young Sandra Bullock is like, wow. The best. I don't know what. It took an extra five years for her to become a star. It's just like, what were people doing? Maybe she wasn't a good auditioner. Maybe.

She was a tiny bit younger, I think. Yeah. I like her in love potion number nine. Go way back. Nor Ephron. I don't know. I don't know. You guys tell me.

It probably is. Yeah. The rest of what she does base on the success of this and she's able to use it to like. Right. And this is like when Harry Met Sally is the breakthrough and then this cements her and obviously she also directs it. Yeah, as a director. Also not a slew of successful female directors in the early 90s. No.

No. Because Penny Marshall, I think, was the first one with Big. That was 88. Yeah. Because we just did that one. It was the first $100 million movie with a female director. So, first wave. Radio advice shows.

Hmm. I think that's, I think. Probably not. No. How about Brooks Robinson? He won a World Series. But he gets a whole scene in here talking about how important Brooks Robinson was. Yeah.

It's a really good letter. They breeze through it, but I also would respond to it. So you're not a huge baseball fan, Amanda. I dabble. I grew up in Atlanta in the 90s, okay? Fair. Yeah. But if you hear Brooks Robinson, do you think of this movie or do you think of the 71 World Series?

I absolutely think of this movie because I wasn't alive at 1971. I think most people would think of Brooks Robinson as like Sleepison in Seattle, Brooks Robinson. Not like a World Series, you win the MVP. Rosie O'Donnell, I think we all think. Definitely. I think definitely. I think it's her movie Apex Mountain, but I think having our own show has to be Apex Mountain. But I think she gets the show because of her movie career.

Oh, fair. Yeah. Okay. And this is after a league of their own. So, yes. How about the Empire State Building? No. What's a pex amount for the Empire State Building?

Just being the Empire State Building every day, based up. Yeah, like here we are. Tiramissue? Oh, that's a good one. No, I think winning the Food and Drink Award is enough for Tiramisu. Okay. You know? Houseboats?

So, I think maybe. I was thinking about this. What's a better houseboat? It's a really, really good one. I feel like just walked up to somebody who's like, houseboat, what's your first thought? I'd be like, Tom Hanks, Sleepless in Seattle. Yeah, I think so.

Characters named Clarice now. But we are in a Clarice run right now. Yeah. I don't know. All right. Best racehorse name? Sleepless in Seattle is a great name for a horse. It's hard to be sleepless in Seattle.

What about high and goodbye? that's really good yeah yeah that's good hi and goodbye I like it picky nits we covered there's a lot

an eight year old and their ability to fly in a plane land get a cab get to the plane get to the Empire State building also I've had an eight year old boy

I'm positive they're not kind of just hanging out on top of a building for 10 hours of the knapsack they would be scared yeah he does look scared though That scene is really sad.

They would melt down. People would worry about him. People would be coming over them saying, where are your parents? Even in 1993, parenting was different than, I'm told. Now, yeah, at some point, people are like, what's going on with this kid who's just by himself for 10 hours? How were Walter's allergies this bad? I have a follow-up nitpick. Okay.

Which is that Walter's allergies are not adding up for me. Because he's allergic to meat, but he ordered a BL, a lettuce. and tomato on white. Right. Like, wheat is also in white bread. Right. Like, what are we doing? Also, there's...

Flowers he's allergic to. Sure. I mean, but that seems like environmental. Yeah, so he needs the humidifier. It does look like a nice humidifier? I was like, does he have sleep apnea? I was like, what's going on there? There's not like an inhaler he could use.

He doesn't know if he's allergic to salmon at this point in his life. They even run like all algae tests on him that tell him exactly what he's allergic to? I mean, this is what I'm saying. How does he go to any restaurant? Like, how can he trust that there's no contamination? And he's at the Christmas dinner with like a full plate. Everything is on the plate. I guess he's just trying to be nice, but.

Or maybe he's dumb, to Bill's point, and he's going to go into anaphylaxic shock. I think he's dumb and everyone else around him is afraid to say anything because he's so stupid. They're like, oh, Walter's doing the allergy thing again. Just pulling that out. We mentioned the concept of a lettuce and tomato. sandwich with nothing on it. Horrifying. It's just the grossest thing I've ever heard.

It's a serial killer move, for sure. It's disgusting. They wouldn't serve prisoners, lettuce and tomato sandwich with nothing on it. And this is the 90s, too. Can you put mustard on it? Really, like, it's just iceberg lettuce that has never seen

a good day. Weak tomato. Uh-uh. Yeah, like a gross tomato from, like, who knows where. What's up with Annie's New Year's Eve party that she goes to that just has a bunch of old people? You know, this is a Nora Ephron thing.

She's, like, into these, like, really fancy New Year's E Parts. Where are the young people? Yeah. Well, on that note, where are the people in Baltimore? Like, when she's walking around Baltimore? There's no one there. It's always really empty.

Is it zombie Baltimore? It's the most incredibly safe depiction of Baltimore in the history of pop culture. I'm like a zombie apocalypse, Baltimore. There's no one around. She's just hanging out down by the water at 10 at night by herself. It's fine. Yeah. Sam doesn't know what.

Aramesu is. Never heard of it. I guess he just hasn't been going out a lot since the late 70s, he said. He hasn't been, yeah, it's been 15 years. He hasn't had an Italian meal. When you have a young kid, like you don't go out to eat that much. You don't become, I don't know, the Unabomber. That's true, but you don't have the internet. So he can't just, like, be on Twitter while his child is like doing whatever. Tiermesoo. Like, what does the style section have to say about Tiramisu today? It wasn't invented in the 80s. Well, I don't, I mean, is he spending a lot of time in Italy? No.

I don't know. He just has the map of the United States, you know? They have Italian food here. I don't know, guys. My last in pick was, I just wrote down, 2003 Jonah would have just been on his iPad the whole time. And not even noticed that his mom was dead probably. Where's mom? She's dead out.

Can you get me this app? I want to play a game. Yeah. Like the scene when. The scene when they spend the day in the water and, like, at the beach, like, just... Yeah. That doesn't happen in 2023. No son even wants to hang out with their dad in 2020.

I'm psyched when Ben wants to hang out with me for a half hour. That's why you drive your kids everywhere. Yeah. To get time with them. That's good idea. That's good time she can get information from them. Yeah. That's smart.

That's good parenting. Picking Nits? What do you got? I mean, weren't we just doing picking nits? Yeah, no. What do you got? Any... The Baltimore one.

ones was my big one. Yeah, I don't know what Baltimore this was. It was very bizarre. And like when they're walking down those like stone stairs or whatever, it's just like, there's no one around in this like beautiful downtown setting in the middle of the workday. Yeah. That was weird. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trao, Catherine Hans, Steve Buscemi,

Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsher, Philip Baker Hall. So in 2023, well now, 2013, Catherine Hans on the Rosie Roll. Yeah, and she's good in it. But now she's probably, she's aged out of that. So who's... What about her in the Rita Wilson role? She could have been in the reader Wilson role. Who is in the rosy role in 2023?

It's like someone like Zoe Chow who's like played that role many times. I think Catherine Hahn would make a great best friend for Jennifer Lopez. You're not giving up. It'd be so funny of Amazon now made this. That would be a fun hang. There's Jennifer Lopez and Catherine. This is what I'm saying. I think all of this sounds great.

Okay. Yeah. I had this written down for 1993 question marks. Sam Jackson as Hank's his buddy instead of Rob Reiner. Well, it's like Dave Chappelle is his buddy and you've got male.

So similar kind of type of thing. I like that. Just one Oscar who gets it. Is the soundtrack eligible? How does that? It's all like songs that already happened? Yeah, I don't think it's eligible, sadly. Who gets it, Juliet?

It's Nora Ephron. Yeah, it's Nora Afron. for the screenplay. I agree. Jeff Arch finally gets one. On the board. Sorry, my bad. Jeff, I see you.

Probably in answerable questions. We mentioned the soup Nazi. Here's a good one. When Gabby Hoffman's character says H&G, did that invent text abbreviations that now become the way teenagers communicate? Is that ground zero? Had anyone ever done that before H&G?

That's a real insult to Jeff Arch because he notably did not come up with that. Right, he didn't. Sorry, Jeff. I've won. Why would Annie's mom wedding dress go to historical society? She's like, the historical society wanted it, but I wouldn't give it to them. So Carrie Simmons's take

is that the family is actually very wealthy. Like an old Baltimore family. It's a very impressive house. Yeah. Or old Maryland wealth, whatever. Okay. So they're like coming the Mayflower or whatever. But if they're going to do that, I think the house should have been bigger. Yeah, and also like the wedding

wouldn't be just like in the backyard. It would be like at our state, like on our grounds. It should be like a mansion and some like 20 minutes outside of Baltimore and some weird part of Maryland. Or like one of those islands, whatever. I have a can two subconsciouses subconsciouses subconsciouses. Yeah, you got it. Can they actually be linked?

Do you believe in this theory? I don't logically no, but like emotionally yes. But this is kind of the hook of the movie, right? It's like this is fate bringing them together. they even do the thing. I forgot to put this in the research. Nora Ephron took the door when Meg Ryan leaves

in the door and then Tom Hanks closes and they shipped the door from Baltimore to Seattle so it would be the same door. So her whole thing was like, these two people are just meant to be together. This is what love is. Now she's married three times. The last one

was a good one. Okay. The second one arguably wasn't her fault. Do you think you and Zach Barron, your subconsciousness subconsciouses are linked? Yes. at this point.

Great. But did we choose for them to, you know, did we... Was it a happy accident or is actually a premeditated link? This is the kind of stuff this movie makes you think about it. I probably think it's like a happy accident. And then, you know, you keep working at it as Ben Affleck taught us, marriage has work. Didn't go great for him in his first one. So me living in an apartment and then three years later, my wife living in the same apartment randomly

in the same room. That's fate, yeah. That's pretty weird. That's crazy. That's pretty good. Is that how you guys met or was that just a coincidence? Yeah, that, no, it's a coincidence. It's not a coincidence.

You met at the bar, right? But when we were talking, then she said where she lived, it was like, wait, what? I can imagine Carrie freaking out about that and being really excited. I mean, that's definitely why you're married. It was great for me because it enabled me to do the, I got to go back and see my own place move. Yeah. Oh, nice. Good job, Bill.

Yeah, thank you. Thanks. This is a great one. Probably in answer some questions. What happened to Valerie Wright? Valerie Wright was the over-laughing lady. Five credits on IMDB. 1993 Sleepless in Seattle.

Doesn't work again until imaginary heroes in 2004 as a nurse and then was in three shorts. Related question. Is that her real laugh or is she putting it on? I bet she's putting it on. Do you say so? Nobody has a real laugh like that. Well, you don't know. Also, like, did they, I mean...

She hasn't been cast on anything again. Did Nora write the line, or did Jeff Arch write the line with her in mind? Or, like, what, do they write it after that she was cast or something? You name-draft Jeff Arch again. I just want to give him his credit. Jeff. We're going to be in his Wikipedia thing, though. Or is this male's anthrax.

Best double feature choice of this movie. Come on. You've got males the obvious choice. I'm going to go. with while you were sleeping. Wow. No. I mean, I was going to, I think it is you've got mail.

It's got to be you've got mail. I would offer up an affair to remember as a very obvious. A triple feature. Yeah, a triple feature? Sure. I like that. Or, I mean, if you want to do a triple feature, you do when Harry Met Sally, sleepless in Seattle, you've got mail.

And then you understand the 90s and also my and Juliette's psyches and hopes and dreams. You could also do Joe versus the volcano. True. You could. Sleepless in Seattle. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to say for You've Got Mail, she's also psychotic. She is impersonating. Sorry, not you've got Mal in while you were sleeping. Sandra Bullock pretends to be engaged to a man, to this guy's family. Oh, she's a maniac. Yeah. So there's, you know, there's that connection, the Chicago connection. This movie led to that.

Yeah. Allowed us to believe both could happen. Right. The Indian Red Zawanteneo Award for what happened the next day. This is a very sad one to think about. Give me like the hour by hour. So how long did they, how long, first of all, where did she sleep that night? She gets a hotel in the same. He gets, so they get two different hotels, rooms in the same hotel. Yes, yes. Because they both have to figure out arrangements.

Neither has a place to stay. In my head, I'm convinced that they go from the Empire State Building to a diner nearby. And I don't know what they order, but someone is having soup. And it's sweet and sort of awkward And that goes fine And then they go to the hotel And they get separate rooms And then they both wake up the next morning

With like the face at the end of the graduate Of like what the hell did I do? You know? I'm sad And we are going to have to make this work now? I have a tweet to that Okay I didn't think I had two hotel rooms

In the same hotel Yeah He waits until Jonah falls asleep And then goes to the other room because eight-year-old boys, you'll see. Yeah. As your son gets older, you have until about age 10.

When they fall asleep, they're unconscious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything can happen once they're actually asleep. So I think he waits and then goes over the little knock on room 608 or whatever room it is. I should have included this in unanswerable questions, but is Annie willing to move to Seattle? Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. I mean, I don't think she has a job at the Baltimore Sun anymore.

Seattle Times. So, be used her role. Abuse her resources. She's been fired. I didn't mention this. I forgot. My wife has a real problem, and I think she's right, with how awkward it is, after they see each other in the Empire State Building, when they're walking toward the elevator. And they both kind of turn into robots, and they're like, hello.

And they're looking at each other. And she keeps, she keeps looking at them, and it's just like, is this how it would go? I mean, it definitely is awkward, so I think that's true to life. But is it too awkward? It's so short. I'm okay with it. I really like it. It's incredibly awkward. It's more eye contact that I've ever made with anyone.

You don't think there would be more questions? Like, wait, so what happened? Like, I don't know. It's just silence as they head to the elevator? I think that they walk for a little while. My version of the diners, they get hot dogs and they walk. Okay. Oh, that's nice.

Yeah. And, like, they, like, ask each other some questions. So they walk around New York City. Yeah. And she's like, I do this all the time at Baltimore. Because the kid can't walk for that long. Here's the thing about the questions. Are there any good answers to them?

Like, once you have the conversation, so, why'd you come to Seattle? Like, do you really want to hear the answer to that question? I think they're going straight back to Brooks Robinson. And you're just, like, talking about baseball for a little while and, like, doing, like, banter. Okay. So I'm just saying it's me and my wife tragically passes away, and it's just, just me and Ben and Ben's eight. Okay. And Ben just flew cross-country

to see this lady wrote me a letter. And then we're on the Empire State Building. And it's the same lady who I saw in the airport and then I saw just kind of wandering on the street. Almost gets by a truck. Almost get hits by two cars and was clearly watching me. And now she's on the Empire State Building.

My personal reaction as a parent whose job is to protect my children at all times would be that this person is setting me up to like steal my kid or murder me. Right. But I might be a bad person.

And I know this is a rom-com, but I would just immediately go into, wait a second, you're the lady from what's going, like I would just have so much more fear versus you're my soul-made. And I can't believe we figured this out so fast. Yeah. I think that makes me a bad person.

No. That makes you like a realist. But that's the movie is the fantasy. Right. The genius of the movie is that for like the three, seconds that it happens, you believe in his reaction of romance instead of, like, protecting your child from the fatal attraction lady. But I would be like, as we're walking in the elevator,

I'd be like, so what, you were in Seattle, right? Yeah. I'm just at least asking that. Right. Of course. Well, if you do as you have that question. They do say it's you. Right. So like they acknowledge, it's you. Last time I saw you, you were standing in the middle of the street watching me and my son in a coma. Another follow-up question that occurred to me, Jonah says, are you Annie? And she says, I am. And then just like, no IDs are produced, you know, like no verification whatsoever. And in that moment, I was like, you could be anyone. You could be lying. Like, we're trusting an eight-year-old here. Oh, I forgot in this and what's aged the worst. Like, if you left a backpack behind in a building like that, that thing would have been confiscated in a few seconds. They'd be like, oh, terrorist attack.

Yeah. What pace of memorabilia would you want from this movie, Julia? The backpack. The backpack is the answer. Yeah. Oh, I like the swivel egg chair. Oh. Okay. The Jonah and Gabby Hoffman are in, yeah. How about the phone?

Is that they talk on? The phone that Hanks uses to call Dr. Marshall Fieldstone. Dr. Marsha Fieldstone. Yeah, that'd be cool. It just looks like a regular phone. Jonah's backpack's really cool. It's red and yellow.

I like it. The Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. Stocking your future husband is okay. If you're positive, it's your future husband. That was my last. life lesson. I think that's true. I just think that's like actually true though. Like she knew she was 100% sure, so I think it's okay. But I, but I actually think that's true life lesson. It's not only true in the movie, but like people have crazy stories. Can we put some boundaries around this? Like actual

stalking, no, but like going to great lengths to date someone. I think for me it's this, it's the second location, right? The traveling across the country. The traveling across the country to physically interact. Live in the same city. I think you want sort of a race. Right? Like, you don't want to go stand outside someone's door. Well, I was going to say it's crazy that she just like walks it. She's like walked up to the door and expects to knock on it. But I guess like the pretense of like her being a journalist, like maybe she thinks that's like a normal thing to do. I mean, technically that is how journalism works, but that's also a different podcast. Yeah. Yeah. I just. So Rosie O'Donnell wants her to go because she wants her to break up with Walter. Yes. She's like, pursue this. Maybe. Maybe your loser boyfriend will be on his way out. they it's missing a scene where they all double date and rosie adon i was like what the fuck is up

with this guy yeah he's allergic to everything on the menu what's nice about rosy's performance is that you know that already you don't need the double date scene every time they cut to her it's really funny the movie doesn't have that much like superfluousness like it's just like every scene for the most part does its job except for when carry the little talks we didn't need that maybe she had to talk contract i mean just the disrespect for the dead ghost wife it it i it's you Yeah. Come on. We don't need to hear her talk. Two years is what I think before you could go shopping for a new wife. That's, that is my, and then you have to date for a full year before you get married again. Don't race into it. Those are my timelines.

I'm a one and done guy. Okay, that's beautiful. That's it. I would probably date, but yeah. Okay. Let's fight again. Who won the movie? I think we both think McReyn. Definitely, McGrient. You think Hanks. I think Hanks or I think more often.

Because I think this, like, without this movie, Nora Ephron is like a celebrated humorist who wrote and or directed like a couple movies we really like. I mean, that's, and that's because like when Harry Met Sally starts the modern rom-com boom, but, you know, she wrote it, Rob Reiner directed it. So I don't think that she gets the credit that she gets for reinvigorating that genre. Yeah. Or becomes like the persona that she is without sleepless in Seattle. I think for Meg Ryan, this was her, Jordan coming back from baseball and going 72 and 10 and winning the title. And then you've got mail was the Utah Jazz hitting the shot. She got the Win Harry Med Sally, Sleepless in Seattle, and you've got male in the span of nine years.

It's pretty amazing. It's like she's just a goat. Those are my credentials. somebody come get me, nobody's taking it. And now all these streamers, especially because they're successful, they're pumping out rom-coms once a week now. And none of them will have this stature. Everyone will watch all of them, but they won't.

They're not nearly as good. Like, they're just, they don't have the budget. They don't have the writing. I mean, at the beginning, I think of the streaming, I think there were some good ones. But because they do them weekly, they're just shitty. Like you'll watch the Allison Brey one that came out today. Yeah, of course.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm definitely going to watch that on London. Yeah. Great. I love J. Ellis. Looks good. Yeah.

It'll be fine. There's a lot of it. It'll be fine. Yeah. Like that one, what was the one that, Kirst and Bell where they go to London for like a wedding? Oh, the people you meet at the wedding. People you hate at the wedding.

That movie's bad. Horrible. I skipped that one. It was like one of the most watched Amazon movies the last five years. According to an Amazon source. It was horrible, though. Yeah. It's bad.

It didn't make any sense. It doesn't even matter if these movies are good anymore. Yeah. It's depressing. I wish they would make them good. But the other thing is, like, the best rom-coms are TV shows now. So that is true. Also, I just don't think you get Hanks in a rom-com anymore.

Do you get Hanks as a qualm? Like, Leo DiCaprio is never doing this. Right. He doesn't really do romance anymore. Be amazing. Him and a 19-year-old. Hank starred as a comedian. Like, do you get someone who crosses over in the same way?

Miles Taylor. Yeah. All right. This podcast was produced by Kyle McMullen. How long do we go, Kaya? 109 minutes 109 minutes That's almost two hours

Did you like this movie? Yeah, it's a great movie Okay, good We don't have Craig this week I feel like Craig would have had An all-time scorching hot take Yeah People get it retroactively

This time he produces I feel like he would have been disturbed By the stalking And had a lot of questions about it I think he would have had some follow-up questions That would be legitimate I'm glad we finally did this Happy Valentine's Day

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