The Rewatchables - ‘Snake Eyes’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan are the kings of the sewer after rewatching Brian De Palma’s ‘Snake Eyes,’ starring Nic Cage, Gary Sinise, and Carla Gugino. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo This episode is brought to you by PayPal. Make the most of your money this holiday. Get 5% cash back when you Pay in 4 all holiday long, visit the PayPal app to save the offer. Expires 12/31. See paypal.com/promoterms. Subject to approval. Learn more at paypal.com/payin4. PayPal, Inc. NMLS #910457 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah. This is our fifth. Okay. Brian DePalma movie. It's called Snake Eyes. It belongs to another era, an era that I love very much. And it's next.

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It's under 100 minutes. It's in Atlantic City. It's Nick Cage. It's Brian De Palma. They say the title in the movie multiple times. There's a fixed boxing match. There's an assassination. There's a cover-up. There's a dirty cop.

Sean, they just don't make them like this anymore. No, man. You know, I was thinking about this re-watching it last night. there's a certain kind of movie that I like to call the waterslide movie where once you sit down like you can't stop, right? You just go down.

It doesn't mean that the end of the ride is going to be the best part. And this is a situation where the end of the ride may not be the best part. It may not be the best fall, but the slide down in this movie is so fucking fun.

So I'm excited about this one. De Palma, a lot of crafting care. Nick Cage had a great point in his career. I threw this movie at you and wasn't surprised that you were excited about it. Loved it. saw it in theaters.

It's back-to-back years of going into a movie thinking that I knew what the movie was going to be. And then in the first act going, wait a minute, this is different than what I thought it was going to be. In 97, it was Eves Bayou. Okay. Which I thought was going to be a straight horror movie. Yeah.

It ended up being this great American southern drama. And then when I went into this one, Face Off was like a couple years before this. So I think I expected more of a bombastic. action film. Yeah. Then this kind of scene by scene, like totally kinetic

driving, spy craft, espionage type of deal. But I totally was engrossed by it. We'll talk about the palm in a second. Nick Cage. I'll start here. I'm trying to think,

is there a better actor to play a crooked cop who has to make a choice whether he wants to do the right thing or not that we've ever had in the history of American cinema? I don't know what it is about. I have some nominees. I mean, Denzel's done this a couple times.

Harvey Keitel. Ray Leata. Yeah. Idriselba, I think, has that kind of vibe to it. But it's, it's, I don't know what it is about an actor matching it with this. Like, I wouldn't buy McConaughey as a dirty cup, right? Bruce Willis, I would still feel like he was Bruce Willis. There's got to be some sort of scumbag.

Sleasiness. Yeah. Sleasy, but I'm still rooting for you. And it's a really hard tightrope. and I can't explain it. It's really unusual, though, that that is the energy that he gives. When you look at his background and the kind of roles that he took early in his career and just the way that he is as a person, if you ever see him talk in real life,

he's an artist. He's a, you know, he talks like an artist. He's from a, you know, very established, famous filmmaking family. And yet, he does seem like a sleaze ball. He's got like the chest hair going all the way up to his neck. His hair line. He's just kind of, eh. You know, I think.

that part of what makes Nick Cage, Nick Cage, is exactly what you're talking about. It is a rejection of, I am from a filmmaking dynasty. I don't want my last name, Coppola, to influence the way you think I should be doing what I am. I don't want to be the Francis Ford Coppola of acting. I want to be this almost force of nature on screen that goes from playing, like,

one of the hardest to watch movies I've ever watched and loved was leaving Las Vegas to then Castro, to this, raising Arizona, which is the first time, all of these off-built, off-kilter things, almost like a rejection

of what you would think a Coppola would be doing as an actor. Yeah. I like that you flipped him, made him a Coppola. He is a Coppola. He's Nick Cage. He changed his name. He did,

but he's, when I, it's funny, when I first learned that, I learned that actually on Saturday Night Live. Yeah. I learned that he, because there's this skit that they do

where they're talking about it, it goes like, if we're talking about good bodies, why don't you mention Sophia Coppola or something like that? And he goes, that's my cousin. And I went,

what? He's his cousin. That's why I kind of found it out. But he's in his career, that's something that, for whatever reason, he definitely did not want to be. I think it's colored

the way that he's taking roles and how he's acting in other things. It's weird, though, because he appears really, early on in a Francis Ford Coppola movie, right? He's in Peggy Sue got married. He's in Valley Girl. He's in these movies in the 80s.

He's in Raising Arizona where he's got this more like comic goofball persona. Moonstruck is kind of an odd ball. Yeah. And he finds a way to pivot into this like really pained, deep, sincere artist in the mid-90s. And then pivots out of that into these kinds of parts. These like action star parts with guys who are. a little greasy, a little untrustworthy. You're rooting for them, but they've done bad things in their life.

You know, Conair is like this. Yeah, faceoff is like this. It's just a-mash-thick man. Yeah, match-thick man. Yeah, he's just a really weird screen persona. He's kind of transformed many times. He wins the Oscar for leaving Las Vegas. Before that, he was kind of the, he was a draft pick for,

hey, who could win an Oscar someday? He would have been a guy that was mentioned. And he rips, the movies he rips off after that, it was inexplicable as it was happening. And I had in, when I did the Action Hero Championship belt, I think he actually had the belt. Because he's in The Rock and Face Off and Con Air, the City of Angels, which is not an action movie.

Then Snake Eyes, an 8mm. Like, five of his next six movies are just like these action movies or action thrillers or all movies I like. By the way, we've done The Rock, Face Off, Conair. We've done five of those six unrewatchables. But as it was happening, we're like, You're a serious actor. You just want an Oscar.

What are you doing? But also think about those characters, to Sean's point. Yeah. Those are not characters that really fit into the archetypes of action movie stuff. Yeah, it was like the 2.0 version of it. Yeah, it's like in the rock, yeah, sure, he is the driving force of this big action movie, but he's a scientist. He's a scientist, in head nerd type of guy. Yeah.

And then in Face Off, he goes from being this magnificent. and evil at the beginning to plain the version of Tom of John Travolta's because it's Castro and what's John Travolta's name and I can't remember the other character's name.

And he's like got to show all of this sensitivity and all of this stuff. He always flipped it. And Conair I remember seeing him. Conair's a real action movie. Yeah. He's ripped.

Even that though. He's big and he's got the hair and it was kind of like that was a way that you hadn't really seen him before. Wrongfully. imprisoned. We're awfully in prison. Kill the guy defending his wife in a rainstorm

and shouldn't kill them because he the Army Ranger. He had these skills that he shouldn't have used on another human thing. I've seen film. Had to go to jail. Circumstance that never happens in real life, but in these action movies where they have to figure out how to get a guy in jail, it's never

like, yeah, he had this 15-year-old girl in his neighborhood. It's never like gross. It's always like you know he had these skills and he had to defend and his wife and the guy, he didn't know the guy was going to die. And even that scene in Conair, isn't there one part where he's just looking up going,

like he's so far out of it. They go so far to make you understand that he's not a bad guy. He's just good at playing guys with baggage, with dark paths, with this like unresolved problem. You know, Moonstruck is like that too. Raising Arizona's like that too. His best movies are always guys where you're like,

what the hell happened to this guy? Yeah. Why is he like this? This movie is kind of like that too. It's just like, why is this guy such a scumbag Why is such an operator? Don't you just get the feeling that almost more than any other actor, he just likes having fun on screen? Definitely. This movie is a good example of that. He just likes.

So I want to turn it up to 11. When do you think the wheels kind of started to come off with him as a best actor type of guy? Was it this movie or Face Off? Because Face Off, he's dialing it up. Yeah. And because I was out with Pacino when he did The Son of a Woman, he just kind of morphed into the son of a woman guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And with Nick Cage, I feel like face off, he never shed face off in his brain and just felt he's nuts in this movie, which is why I like it.

But if you watch Vampires Kiss, which he made before this, that's one of the craziest movie performances of all time, where you can feel him just being like, screw it, I'm taking this movie over and I'm doing exactly what I want, and it doesn't matter if any other actor is doing this. And he does tone it down in movies after that, like Red Rock West, right? He's really, like, low-key and cool. but he, even in the early days, was just like, screw it. This movie, safety off, I'm doing whatever I want. Safety off's a good way to put it. Yeah. That's a good list.

The safety off list. That's Pacino and Devil's advocate. He's like, safety off! But he meets his absolute match in this movie because De Palma is one of the great safety off, like encouraging performers filmmakers. Because he did this twice with Pacino. Scarface and Carlito's Way are amazing safety off performances.

So they're like, they're so good together. Something, it's funny about Nick Cage. It is a little unfair the way we look at how his career played out because he's been not just safety off. He's been bazooka safety off for like the last 10 years. But even after this, matchstick man, the weather man, all of these movies, there are some real understated performances that people really don't give him credit for. even like National Treasure

of all the movies that he's played where he's kind of played him straight up and down National Treasure might be one of those things so it really for a long time for a long time even after this there was a great variety

in the roles and some of the roles were a little bit more understated he was a high volume shooter his next five after 8mm were bringing out the dead gone in 60 seconds the family man

and Captain Carly's Mandolin along with 8mmeter I remember Captain Carly's Mandolet in. That's when it was kind of ending for Nick Cage, where he was becoming a little bit of a punchline. It is interesting. It's like a different snake eyes, it's not Apex Mountain for him.

It's a different, it's almost like last title or last, it's almost like the 1998 Bowls with MJ for the Nick Cage career. Yeah. It's almost like last dance for him where you go to Snake Eyes because it's him and De Palma. I still have faith. Everybody's going to make the right decisions.

And then it probably ends with 8mm a movie that I love very much. The film is real. Well, that movie, with that subject matter, he is the only guy, one of the only guys to me, and maybe you guys think somebody else, on his level of star that would have went on that journey.

That would have been like, yeah, showdown with me and machine in a cemetery. He was fearless and he was really into kinky, transgressive stuff. He's still really good, though. He's had like a little mini-renaissance in the last five years. He was in pig. He was in dream scenario a couple years ago. like he's not a huge box office star anymore, but he's still a really interesting actor.

Long legs? Long legs. Yeah, every third or fourth movie. Long legs! You like that. And he's still trying, he's still trying stuff, you know,

like even if you don't like long legs, he's going for it in that movie. He's doing something totally new. There's all kinds of stuff surrounding him about, like, you know, stuff that he's done off screen and stuff that he's bought and...

He's fucking crazy. I mean, he's like a lunatic. He is, he is legitimately to me, one of the first of the, freest artists of my generation. As far as actors, there are other guys out there, but Nick Cage is totally free. He makes movies, like the movie that he made. But free, you mean, balkers? No, I mean free, like...

He's not free to be judged. He's not afraid to be judged. Like, he puts the movie out there, the premise of the movie could be crazy. So he's like Craig. Like Craig. You know, he did make a film called Bangkok Dangerous, and we're of course here with Bangkok, Craig. Oh, that's right. I forgot about Bangkok, Craig. He's right over there. Like comes out once in a while. Even the whole Bangkok

Dangerous era, that movie and then knowing? Knowing, yeah. That's a movie that on paper should have been amazing. And then you watch it and you're like, God damn it, what the hell happened here?

So it's not a movie that is great, but it is a movie that is better than you remember it. Yeah. Yeah. And he has a thing, before we started recording, we were talking about movie stars.

He's got a thing where he can just hold a movie on his shoulders. No matter how good or how bad the movie is, if it's an hour in 10 minutes or two, you know, an hour and 40 minutes, like you can hang with him the whole time.

And that is rarer than we realize. Yeah. Remember Ghost Rider? Yeah, of course. Yeah, that was tough. That was when the wheels came off for him, but I still went, I saw that in the theater because I was like,

ah, this movie looks nuts, and Nick Cage is in it. Ghost Rider, if it was released in 2017 in the Marvel machine back then, would have been cool. Yeah. Fantastic, because you might have got a different take on. There's also a Ghost Rider sequel that is like almost unwatchable.

Spirit of vengeance. Spirit of vengeance. Yeah, each of us in that one. It's very, very hard to watch. Tough one. But he's also like a huge comic nerd. Him, he's into that stuff. That's a cool character.

If you're that type of star, maybe Johnny Blaze is not the comic book character that you choose to play. But that's the one that he wanted to. De Palma. We've done, this is number five. There's a few things left on the bone. What do you really, I am long term? I mean, Scarface, we haven't done yet.

Carlito's Way we haven't done yet. And there's one other... Dressed to kill? Dressed to kill, we have done it. Yeah. I think that's the big three that are left. So I found a 1990... We haven't done Carrie?

Oh, we haven't done Carrie. Wow. I found a 1998 premiere magazine where they interviewed him about snake eyes. And it was a Q&A. And the question was, your leading men often seem ineffectual, dwarfed by insurmountable obstacles. De Palma's like, yeah.

Here's his answer. The establishment kind of overwhelms the protagonists in my movies. And it's like the Tar Baby. It's very difficult to beat. You keep sucking it, but you just keep on getting another limb sucked in. Jesus. De Palma. We're fucking weirdo.

I love this guy. He is. He is the best. He's like just a maniac. I think of all the directors that are out there, obviously he's a really important director for what is, new cinema, it's called. His movies are the ones that I feel the closest to. He's a freak like you.

I'm glad you said it. He's a freak. His movies are the ones I feel closer to. It's almost like one of the, I was going to have this in one stage the worst. One of the most disappointing things about this movie is he kind of suppresses his freak. A little bit.

When we're going over the hotel rooms, 1970s, early 80s to Palma would have had some crazy fuck scene in one of the rooms. This was like mid-50s De Palma, like, I don't need to do that anymore. At this point, though, aren't we at the point where De Palma

is most flirting with mainstream cinema? Yeah, he's coming out of Mission Impossible. Yeah, he's on, I think he's on the mountaintop. I mean, this is really the highest, the pinnacle of his commercial appeals of filmmaker. But you think that that might have, like, muted his desire to show some of that stuff? He flirts with it, right?

Like, there's, there are ladies in the movie that their sexual he plays a big part in the film. But there's a little bit of holding back to me of that stuff that some of the movies that he made in the past, obviously like Scarface is just like, just crazy violent. We did body double. I mean, you know, yeah. But in this, you can feel those urges being rolled back a little bit.

For the sake of, I want you to see the story and how the story shakes out. I feel like we're doing something really smart. All the movies are about, they're not about the women and they're not even about having sex with the women. They're about men watching the women. That's what all of the movie, they're all about voyeurism. So the movie is still like that.

It's just that like, I guess the women don't take their tops off in this movie, but for the most part, it's just... Well, it seems like he didn't know if it should be a PG-13 or an R. And I think it ended up, they said fuck it and went for R. Speaking of that, when we're doing Fin Fatal. Well, I would argue that's his last great movie. I know. Which one?

Fem Fatal. That's a couple years later. Yeah, yeah. He saw something in Rebecca. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, you've always known when it's his film.

I think that's the... Sean and I would always talk about back when our fingers used to work when we'd see other writers and you could cover their byline and knew who the writer was. It's the best feeling. I know who that is.

De Palma, like, you know. It's like, I know who's film. It's moving. As soon as the camera starts moving and you see what it's looking at, then you can tell. He's always going to take one big, long shot, swing

some point. Just the Killy does it. This one might be the granddaddy. Which is why I always thought, I mean, looking back on it, he was the perfect director to get the Mission Impossible franchise started. Well, he agrees because it allowed him to do movies like Snake Eyes because it did well and he made money from it. It's still shocking to me, though, how that worked.

How so? Because he never made anything even close to that scale of a movie. Scarface is a big movie, but it's only got like seven characters in it. And him being able to pull off the tunnel scene at the end of that movie is stunning. Oh, just the set pieces of that action. Yeah, the scope of that movie is so big. But I still love the original. It's so good.

And it's the hideous one of all of them. Some people would argue that the movies became more and more ridiculous from a plot standpoint. What's your favorite diploma? Ever? Yeah. Carlito's Way. What's your, Sean? It's probably blowout.

I mean, we talked about it on the blowout pod, which I just think is like a perfect movie. but that whole stretch. I respect Blowout the most, but I enjoy Scarface the most. I fucking love Scarface. Scarface. We haven't even done it in every watchfuls because it's like, I don't want to waste it yet.

I know. All those movies are great. Carlito's Way is great. There's like a 15-year period where he is unmatched and being able to make a sequence in a movie. His sequences are so cool. You know why I can't have a baby with her many?

Her womb is so polluted. Who keep on it? Yeah. But, like, Scarface, so the reason why I like Carlito's Way, I can't say that I like Carlito's Way more than Scarface, but the reason why I'm more connected to Carlito's Way is because Carlito's Way feels like Al Pacino and De Palma and Sean Penn together doing an actual thing. Scarface is legitimately take the reins off somebody. Yeah. Let them fucking go until they can't go anymore. more.

It is like something to be holding. While Carlito's Way there's actually really, really deep themes of connection and betrayal, like recidivism. There's bad hair. Yeah, I just, I feel real, me being a,

I love Penn's wig in this movie. In that movie, it's so good. Dave. Yeah, I love Dave. I love that character. Craig, when we do Carlito's Way between Sean,

Chris and Van, if it's a three-person pod, we should have some sort of reality show competition where two people can make it and the third one just gets voted off somehow. The running man, but for... Or like bowling at Lucky

Strike. Just like that's it. Wow, you want to have a bowl off? A ball off to see who gets the two spots. There's an incredible Carlito's Way homage in this movie. Well, here's the other thing. The long shot, which I think is the signature from a rewatchable standpoint, it's so amazing

how they do it. And he's never really said that it was 12 straight minutes. Yeah. But he's never really admitted it was all 12 straight minutes. So then in this premiere magazine thing, they ask him about it. And he says the movie starts out on the boardwalk, blah, blah, blah. The shot establishes Nick Cage's character as he wanders to the arena and the blah, blah, blah.

It's a steady cam shot that goes on for about 12 minutes. Then he says, one continuous shot can really only be the length of a 35 MM magazine of 400 footload. In Bonfire, that was one five-minute shot. went as far as we could go. Of course, you can make it look longer, like Hitchcock's rope, have somebody pass it front of the camera, keep going,

need artful staging, and very good actors. So I think he's saying it was five minutes and they figured out some sort of cheat code. And I was watching it again and you can see like... I think it's four cuts. You can see it.

Passed it, yeah. He rounds the corner one time on the wall, you can kind of tell, down at the fight floor, they do it once. Yes. He definitely is cutting, but the staging of the scenes,

even with the cuts, is crazy because of the size of the sequence. It's a fucking boxing match. He's in a freaking arena doing this. It's amazing. Guzman goes down the escalator at one point, and you're like, how the fuck did they do all this? The camera going around that corner.

Yeah, that is just wild. I mean, looking back on it when I watch this, because I hadn't seen this in a while, this is a technically really impressive movie. Yeah, I agree. One of his most impressive. It's one of his least interesting thematically, I would say. It is very relevant right now,

which I'm sure we'll talk about. But unlike dressed the kid, or Carlito's way. It's not like a heady movie about the way that people really feel in the world. You know, it's kind of trashy. It's like a trashy noir movie. But he's using it as this vehicle

to do all this cool shit with the filmmaking. Nick Cage does say one interesting thing, though, at the end, when he was like, basically he was like, well, at least I get to be on TV or whatever. There's something about celebrity going on in the late 90s that I think De Palma was interested in, but he didn't really hit it hard enough. Yeah, the movie is good, and it's one that, you know,

I really liked when it came out. It's not quite as smart as it probably wanted to be. It needs like 10 more minutes, weirdly. Sorry, Craig. 108 minutes might have been able to nail it. There's some sort of thing about instant celebrity. And the most interesting part of the movie to me is the fall after, where it sets him up as the hero.

And then you're just like, hey, by the way, he was found with cocaine. And then all of a sudden he's just on the boardwalk and he had his moment it was gone. But I think that's a reshoot, which we can talk about why. but I don't think any of that stuff is supposed to be there in the first place, and you could have made the case that if they had thought about it more, that they could have made it more this arc about leaning into what you want out of celebrity and life, which is like a part of that character. There's other ideas in it that are kind of interesting about conspiracy thrillers,

but it's more like the classic The Palma stuff of being about other movies. Like this is very much, you mentioned Rope in that quote, he's constantly being compared to Hitchcock, who's his great inspiration, and he's always like looking for a way to take a framework that Hitchcock has and then elevate it. So he has some movies, you know, like obsession from the 70s

with Cliff Robertson is kind of like this. Find Raising Kane is kind of like this. Yeah. Where they're like more exercises than they are great movies where he's like, let me see if I could do this. And they're still crazily entertaining,

but you don't walk away from them with the same feeling that you do as like dress the kill or blowout. Yeah. The movie here is like surprisingly straightforward. Yeah. Like there, the things happen, right? You find out that Gary Seneas is your bad guy.

There's no levels to that. That just continues to play itself. It's revealed and then goes. It's revealed and then it goes. And there's not a lot of, oh, my God, I did not see that coming in the movie at all. That's why the technician part of the movie and it is so important because you need that to keep the kinetic energy of the film going. it's kind of like what's going to happen next from your eyes and not what's going to happen next from your brain.

So it's like what the next thing you're going to see rather than the next thing that's going to happen plot-wise. Real quick, where are you on bonfire of the vanities? I don't think it really works very well. Yeah, exactly. I do think that sequence that he's talking about is interesting, that long tracking steady cam shot that they do, but it's like totally gratuitous.

And he's just a mismatch with the material. Like I think if you had a different filmmaker, make that movie, even if you had Scorsese make that movie would be a little bit more interesting, but I never get the impression he's, like, interested in that world.

That's why there's been books and podcasts and everything else done about that movie because it was such a great piece of IP and then every choice that, every actor they cast was wrong, he was the wrong director.

Yeah. It's pretty tough. Every like five years, I forget that it's bad, and I'm like, oh, you know, I'll give this a world, and it's just not good. You're going to defend it.

Here we go. I always liked it. Oh, my God. I'm sorry, my bad guys. Hank's, Hank's bad in it. It's weird. He's also miscast.

Yeah, he's just not good in it. I always liked it. I think I was at a time in my life. You just would have, you were destined to like it. Yeah. Where it was like Willis, Hank, Melanie Griffith,

like all in a movie together, being like that entire, but remember also I liked, you know, at that time, anything set in New York in that whole, who's that girl, Madonna, love the movie. So like, I just,

I've always liked it. I've tried to go back and watch it and find reasons to, like, not like the movie, but I always go, oh, man, I like this. Well, that came out in 90. After that, he did Raising Kane, Carlito's Way, Mission Impossible Snake Eyes.

It's kind of over after that. Like, he didn't really have the commercial movie after that. That's kind of the end of the run, which is interesting because it's also the end of some sort of, it's some sort of invisible line with the end of the Nick Cage run, even though we didn't know it yet. He says something. He did, I read a couple of interviews with him around this time.

I wanted to read this to you guys, something he said right around the release of this movie. He said, I think that something new is coming. I really think that the conventional movie-making world is over and the greatest work is behind us. I really do. The industry sort of peaked in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, mainly because of the turmoil, wars, all that stuff, European influx into Hollywood. That was the beginning of movies and it's over. It's never going to be again. I think the next thing that's going to happen is going to happen on the internet with interactive media.

Now, you can have all this video technology, your own little video camera, and edit stuff at home. You can make movies like novels now. You really can. You can make them inexpensively with your friends and put them on the internet. Wow, and he didn't even see the prestige TV coming. But he basically nailed 95% of it. Yes, that's 1998 when he said that. He was early, but he was definitely right.

Also, his whole class, which we've talked about before, that there's been books written about with Spielberg and Lucas and Coppola, all of them are kind of hitting the end of some sort of road, right? Scorsese is about to transition in those 2000s, which were really interesting. He's about to take off and become kind of the winner of this coming moment,

which is really interesting because De Palma for a period of time was kind of big-doged him alone. Lucas is transitioning into, I'm just going to redo the IP I did before. I'm just a corporate guy. Spielberg has his crazy, like, minority report. Like, he's moving into, like,

that post-saving Private Ryan world. De Palma kind of doesn't know where to go. He demands a lot of control on his movies, too. And you can tell that he's not able to convince people to let him make the stuff he wants to make. I mean, he's only made four movies in the last 25 years.

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slash promo term subject to approval. Learn more at PayPal.com slash pay in four PayPal Inc. NMLS 911 910457. A couple of actors stuff to talk about with this. Evil Gary Senise. That's great stuff. So I was thinking we were one evil Sinise movie away from Evil Senise month we could have done. Rangir Game, Snake Eyes, and Ransom. We already did ransom. You want to re-ransom? No, I'm just saying, I love Ransom.

We could have evil senes. Is Ransom the peak of evil Seneas? He is a evil son of-of-who-old. What's the most evil-Senis? I think it's Ransom. You dropped the Reindeer Games in there, huh? Rangier games is in there, but Rang D-Dier Games is not as... I like Randere games, unfortunately.

I like it, too. It's a guilty-president movie for me. But that was a DVD classic for me. Yeah. That was a DVD for a while. We got to do Frankenheimer Month, you know? 52 pickup. Oh, wow.

I can get that going. There's a lot of Frankenheimer's life. But like... What is it about Sanisto that you just make it like, oh, man, this motherfucker. He's got that thing. Like, even at the end of Ransom where the kid hears his voice and he starts peeing himself, like, Gary has that thing, that intensity, that face where he can go from somebody because he does this in, does this in ransom and also in this movie.

Yeah. But he goes from a face that you're supposed to trust. And then as soon as the turn happens, He is legitimately a face that you can revile in one thing. And like... And Gumpi does the flip. He feels like he's evil, and then you move on. And then he flips it again.

Like, he's like, he can do either thing so effectively that it works in movies. I don't, what, who is the modern day Garyson? There is, what, I mean, these kinds of actors who are like, he was pretty much a star. Yeah. You know, Academy Award. Because he had the Apollo 13 piece, too. And Gump, he's the third leading. Famous, yeah.

I mean, that's a really interesting thing where he's got this incredible stage background. He transitions to Hollywood, and he gets cast in big Hollywood movie after big Hollywood movie, whether he's the hero or the villain. And he's not heart-bob? No.

He's not always the villain, right? He's not, like, J.T. Walsh or something. Right. He is... No, he feels like he's a little more leading manish. But he's like that really weird blend between character actor and leading man. Right?

We're like, he could carry a movie. It's probably not ideal. deal if he's carrying your movie. But if he's in the number two spot, like in a movie like this, it's probably going to be good. Yeah. It's like he is a super duper, talented, like, backup quarterback. Right, right.

To where... The Jeff Hostetler of movies, yeah. To where you kind of don't know, like, what to do with them, but he can definitely be a crazy addition to your team if, in fact, he has to carry the team. What's your Senise relationship, Craig? Dump and Apollo? You see that. See, he's a good guy in those movies.

Yeah, but just a really awesome, steady, like side character who, yeah, it's good and everything. I like Gary Seney. Yeah, I don't know who it is now. Who's like that guy who can then be the bad guy and stuff like. But you know what? Can I tell you something? The American character actor of that ilk,

like you've talked a lot about, I think it's an interesting observation about sort of the next great Italian American actor that can like, you know, you're talking about Leotto or, you know, the rest of these guys and Robert De Niro and all of these. But like,

just the stalwart American character actor, like, who are those guys now? They're on TV. Yeah. I mean, it's not something movies are even sold on anymore. There are plenty of them. I'm sure there are plenty of.

Sinise is an unusual one. So I was just thinking of one of my favorite Sneeze parts is he's Stu Redmond in the Stand adaptation, which was on TV in the 90s. And he's, you know, I always love that. That's kind of my.

Bonfire of the Vanities where I saw it in an age where I was like, this is my favorite thing of all time. If you watch it now, it's a little harder to sit through. But he's so good as Stu in that series. Yeah. But that movie is still terrifying to me. Yeah, I love that. Who's the guy that plays Randall Flagg and that one?

Jamie Sheridan. Another stage actor. Jamie Sheridan. Like, that's a mini series, but that's still like a haunting, terrifying, weird movie. Seneas is good because it's like, he's a stage actor. He didn't really want to get into Hollywood, but he really loves and he really takes it. And then, like, 10 years later, it's like,

CSI New York with Gary Senees. Didn't he did that show for like 10 years? There's semen on the bed. Get the blue light. Well, money's good, right? Everybody likes money. At that point, everybody's like, yeah, fuck it. CSI and New York, sounds great.

If you look at him, William Peterson, and a lot of those guys ended up finding their homes on shows like that. They're trusted faces that let you know that a procedural or something like that is a serious piece of art. who came up playing cops and detectives in movies, and then they transitioned, yeah. And then they killed movies. Did you read the Peterson interview for the 40th anniversary of 11, die in L.A? Your guy, Bill?

Yeah, he hasn't acted in 15 years. They asked him why, and he's like, because I've done everything. I don't need to do anything anymore. I don't want to hang out with my kids and my grandkids. I live in Chicago. I have a great life. That's nice. I played every part I've wanted to play.

I respected. Yeah, I loved it. I respected, too. I was like, you do your thing, William Peterson. I just kept. He gave us Manhunter. Manhunter, fantastic. like I just kept waiting for the role or the moment

I guess J.K. Simmons is one of those actors that we were talking about. He is. Yeah, I kept waiting for the role. I kept waiting for the J.K. Simmons moment. Like the later in life? Oh, yeah. A big supporting part. The I'm in whiplash.

Now you got to continue with me. So it wasn't fair with Mark Wahlberg for you? No, it wasn't. I fuck with that movie. It's pretty good. It's very hard. I mean, people keep hearing you saying it's very hard to mention movies that I really don't fuck with.

Yeah. Like 1991 to 1997. It's kind of like, yeah, they're all good. They really are. I would go all the way to 99. Yeah, yeah. I was watching the last hour. I was doing some work and I wanted to put on something.

So I was flipping cable and Fight Club was on, which we've already done. And I was watching the last hour of Fight Club kind of half-heartedly as I'm doing football stuff. And then I just started watching the last 15 minutes. And then it ended with the Pixie song. And I was like... Legitently a brilliant movie, though. And things are blowing up and he's staring out the window. and where as my mind comes in.

I was like, man, we used to fucking make great things in this country. We'll even have the nuts to make that one now. The movie interrogates too many things. It's a nuts movie. If they made it, it would probably be a little overwrought, a little too self-serious. That movie's winking at you a little bit in a way. It's very faithful to the book, too.

I don't know, man. Eddington won battle. These movies are pretty angry and pretty much about what's going on. It happens. It just doesn't necessarily happen in the same way. They are, but they're... Eddington. There is a specific...

Great movie. There's a specific critique and question that Fight Club asks that would turn so many people off now, it feels like. Like the whole conversation around masculinity, the fact that hurting people makes these guys feel... There would be a thousand really annoying think pieces. There were then. I mean, it was not...

They didn't have the warmest reception. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. I guess I was part of one of those things. I was a very angry 17-year-old when it came out. And I was like, This is clearly the greatest film ever made.

You know, like this, there will never be a better movie than this. I've had, like, a weird relationship to it over the years. But maybe you could cite that movie as kind of like the end of an era in some ways. Like, it is, it is 99. It is kind of, like, closing the book on that. Y2K really did shift us from here to here. And it's hard to explain. Not literally.

Not the computers. It just felt, everything felt slightly different after Y2K, and I don't know why. And the 9-11 was the other big catalyst. But it just, that late 90s just felt like, Something. When Snake Eyes came out, I was like, every movie will be cool forever. You know, like to go see a movie like this in theaters,

you're like, yeah, of course, this was pretty good. And I don't have to get over my skis about it. The same weekend as Halloween H-2O and Saving Private Ryan came out the week before. And it was just like, that's kind of what we did back then, Craig. I was just so in the movies. Yeah.

I was in, I was at City Place. So I was just in the movie theater. My man, Stefan worked there. Stefan was hook us up with the tickets. Like, I would. He was, Stefan was the man. But, like, I was just so into movies. I was found myself there all the time at that point.

And I think that it used to be that it was like you could just make a movie and cool was the barometer. It's just cool. Yep. It's just like you make a, I was watching So I married an axe murderer. Yeah. All the time classic. Like a couple weeks ago. I'm like, would they make this movie now?

A movie where it's just a. I mean, there's a whole MTV type of ecosystem because you have the making of the movie type of deal. Mike Myers was on there and all that. Would they make just a cool story now that didn't, like, so I married to act? Would they make that movie? One thing I'm really surprised hasn't happened because we've talked about many times over the years, the SNL to movie pipeline on pods, how there has not been a streaming movie pipeline for SNL actors where you're like, oh, this, this person's kind of, like, Chloe Feynman's got kind of got

something, but maybe doesn't need her own TV show, but maybe let's give her a $20 million Netflix movie and see what happens. I mean, they kind of did this with Please Don't Destroy and it was on Peacock and it it bombed. But that was supposed to be a theatrical movie that Judd Apatow produced and then like it didn't

turn out and then they put it on streaming. I'm talking about like, shouldn't there be like a little division? Could Marcelo have a thing where he's like... Right now he's a perfect example. I'm like, that guy's just funny, you could tell he's funny. He could carry something. Make it low stakes. So I'm right and X murder isn't the greatest movie of all time, but it was like, it was a road tester.

But this is the problem with comedies now and why horror movies have just keep ascending and they just have not figured out comedy at all the way that we had them in the 90s. Because now it's, you just put them on Netflix or Amazon or whatever. Just take some of bats, though. No money. Let these young guys take some at bats. They don't want to take the at bats. I'm with you.

I know we got to get back to snake eyes, but I will say about that particular, I know. Wait, what are we talking about? I know we got to say, but I will say with that particular movie, if you look at the movie, right, and is Mike Myers doing his thing. It's almost like a pilot for Awesome Powers. Yes. Because he plays the dad. He's singing the, um...

He's going to cry himself tonight on his huge pillar. Yeah, the whole nine, right? Son, heed, heed move! He's doing all of that stuff, and you're like... It's a virtual planetoid. Right. And he's seeing the Raw Stewart song. It's hysterical, right?

And it's almost like proof that that guy can play those characters in a movie that... It works as proof of... concept and it's kind of like they don't do that anymore. You know why? Because they overthink everything. We talked about this with dirty work. They're just like, Norm McDonald's. We'll figure it out. We don't need a full script yet. Chris Farley said he'd be able to have

two days on the set. We'll figure it out. I think they spend too much time over thinking. What do you think it is, Craig? I mean, part of it is your generation's fault. Yeah. You guys killed comedy. Yeah, well, we're trying to bring it back. I think that SNL doesn't cast the same type of people anymore is also part of it.

Like, they're not, I don't think there's a lot of people who are trying, who are like character actors on us and now anymore. Yeah. Like, it is, it's rare that they bring somebody in who can do like 10 different characters. It's not really like what they do anymore. So I don't even think the pipeline is set up to work because it's completely different casting now. Yeah. Shane, Shane could have done it.

I mean, Shane doing tires is basically like a 90-minute comedy in 1990. That's it. That actually replaced his movie, his dirty work. Yeah. Back to this. Incredible pivot. We never talked about Carla. Who's going to go first?

God damn. This is a real Van Diagram for Bill Van Schaun. This is one of the real, like... You know, we've talked about this. We got to be professionals. We met on a cold, dark night. Yeah. This conversation stays between us.

In a deep Reddit board. Yeah. Look, man, sometimes people just don't find the right... Sometimes... They just don't find the right roles. And there's, we talk about, like, in the 70s and 80s, it was just because they didn't have good roles. In her case, the role, I just, I don't know whether it was her fault

because she couldn't read the scripts. Like, they didn't know which ones to do. No director saw what was sitting there. I'd love to know how many great roles she finished in second place. Right. And it was, and you guys got to think, man, we're talking about, first of all, I want to say she's had a fantastic career. Great career.

Very successful. In the 90s where we're talking about, we're talking about the rise. Julia Roberts has a strength of hold. But then right under Julia, there's Sandra Bullitt. There's Cameron Diaz. This is... But don't forget the Friends thing.

And it's like, if you put her on Friends as Rachel, I think she's like an A plus Lister. She just never had the one thing. But all of this, though, this is a crowded, crowded feel. And she took the Sarah Jessica Parker, who she was in Miami She was in Miami Rhapsa That's exactly who I was going to say

I was like Sarah Jessica Parker had the kind of career she could have had She could have been Could Carla have been The Carrie Bradshaw? Definitely Because the thing about her

She could be in a rom-com She could be in a movie like this I think she could have been In like in early 80s De Palma movie Like she could have played The Debra Sheldon character and Body Double

And every guy was in love with her Devastating And I thought she was a good actress And she's funny Like at the end when she's turning on the charm with Nick Cage And you're like this guy's a fucking loser Why do you why you but I believe that Yeah there's a hot moment there where

Both Carla Gugino and Connie Britton were on Spin City And I was like what is what is happening Kind of what is happening Think about how long it took for Connie Britain It took and then it was coach Taylor And it's like oh yeah Connie Britton she's arrived Yeah she's just I'll just be very frank Just insanely hot in snake eyes

Like it is insane how hot she is, at least to me in this movie. And it is weird because she's like still working and doing really good work. For sure. But there are a few people we've talked about on the show over the years where you're like one

turn of the dial and it would have been a different career. Right. You see her now. She's in the Mike Flanagan stuff a lot. She's doing a lot of different stuff. She's all she's a presence and a deal. But once again... Yeah, it's weird. The last seven, eight years was probably the best run she's had from an I,

DB standpoint. Well, she had Karen Sisko, that was supposed to be a big TV show that didn't pop, you know, but she did She was in the Cameron Crow, Rodeys, that showtime show, that didn't work. It seems like it should have.

It's, it's, it's, once again, it's somebody that you always feel like is, who's having a great, great career, but you feel like there's one role away from that next echelon of startup. Like, she probably was looking

in Aniston, like, I could fucking have her lunch. could kill her. I'll be honest with you. I'm looking at the list of roles here. It's very, very, she took Miami Rhapsody is a movie that I love that not a lot of people have seen.

It's a really fun movie. She's really good in it, Carla Gutine. She's great in it, Sarah Jessica Parker, Antonio Banderas, it's kind of like free-willing, Jeremy Piven, story of love and relationships that takes place in Miami. It's like really interesting.

There's some Amanda Pete parts she could have played. That's a good comp, too. It's just, I just think you're right. I think it was a loaded... A comedic actress with dramatic draft class. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

And then, you know, later on, her courage just keeps training. She's in Sin City, which is a role that I really, really enjoyed from her. Did you? Yeah, that was... What did you think was the best part? I thought she brought a lot to the table in Cincinnati. Like a lot. Anything specific?

Some things were unexpected. But I liked that had happened. Yeah. But if you guys want to just get into the whole thing, It's a good film with some good scenes. It's funny thing. She never had, like, even if she'd played the Ellen Pompeo part in old school, with some sort of thing that just was, like, on all the time for 25 years, she'd never had that movie. She did for my wife, which is True Beverly Hills.

Oh, come on. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. To Eileen, she'll always be the girl from True Beverly Hills. I know you love it. Well, in this movie, she tests missile results for Poway Aircraft. Speak on True Beverly Hills.

Which one? Speak on True Beverly Hills. Just, I want your opinion. I haven't seen it. 45 years. Class. Yeah? Beverly Hills.

Can we talk about how Carla was testing missile results? Yeah. I'm just kidding for this. Yeah. Special category. We don't get to give out much. The Elizabeth Shoe is an Oxford

electrochemist award for most ridiculous casting. I was hoping that would fall to me. It didn't, damn it. That category. That was going to be yours? Yeah, of course. Oh. My bad, Craig.

I knew I was going to go. What does, because I always bring this roll up, when we do this one, Denise Richards as... That could probably be the title of this. Nuclear physicists. Yeah, her name is Dr. Christmas Jones. Christmas Jones.

I remember she's on Jay Leno and Jay Leno goes Nuclear scientist, Dr. Christmas Jones. And she goes, I can play a scientist. Yeah. Like, what, when we do this, is this category, what do you need to play a science? I think it's more her age is the issue. Yeah.

I don't know why they're... 26-year-old missiles X-12? They're so specific about it. She's like, I'm 26. You could have been 31. Right. It's very strange. We also have a very credit

that guy and graduated that guy group. Is this the that guy movie of the 90s? There's been others, but... It's a good one. Louis Guzvon, Stan Sean, John Hurd. Mike Starr,

who's the guy who dies from him to the peppers and Dumb and Dumber and was in a Million Mob movies. Great pull on that. being Mike Starr. Kevin Dunn, who was that guy from Dave. Absolutely. Who was the dad of Madlove and was just in a lot of 90s movies.

And then Michael Rospoli, who is Grandma and Rounders and this in the same year. I'm just going for the Sopranos. Going for the Sopranos and finish the second of Gandoffini. Tough. 98 for Rispoli.

He must have really felt like the world was right in front of him. Yeah. You know, he's on a Brian to Palm a movie. I'm in this exciting movie with Matt Damon and Edward Norton. I'm going to be Tony Soprano.

Yeah, the same show. He ends up as Jackie, right? Yeah. Yeah, he ends up as Jackie. So it's like, but it's, it's, it's crazy. You miss one, Gerard Burks, you know what that is? Which one was that? So in Devil in the Blue Dress, remember the movie?

Yeah. Yeah. He plays in the movie. I'll never forget this. It's one of the great cuckings in any movie that's ever happened. In Devil in a Blue Dress, it takes place. goes over to this guy's house and he has sex with his wife while the guy is sleeping. Do you remember this?

Yes. Lisa Nicole Carson in the other room. He has sex. Yeah, he has sex with his wife while the guy is sleeping. That's this guy? He's like, he's like, because he says to Lisa Nicole Carson's character, he goes, your man is sleeping in the other room. She doesn't care.

She's like, he's so drunk. He's not. knocked out and then they do it. And Jean Arborgs plays the guy that gets cut in him. Shout out to him. He's been in a lot of stuff. Well, there's a that girl in this, too. That girl from Devil's Advocate, the Black Witch Lady.

Oh, yeah, she's in the first scene. Oh, yeah. What's her name? Tamar Toonis. Is that her name? Can't remember. Yeah. Written by David Kep, who apparently is the fourth most successful screenwriter ever by box office.

He wrote Jurassic Park among many other movies. War of the Worlds, Carlito's Way, Mission Impossible, Spider-Man also directed seven movies that weirdly the trigger effects, stir of echoes, secret window, they're all like kind of the same weird, strange movie. He's had an amazing career. He is considered one of the geniuses of screenwriting. Have you guys done the trigger effect?

No. Would you do the trigger effect? Probably not. I like it. Another movie that came out in the 90s where I was like, the concept alone is so cool to me. Elizabeth Shoe. Yeah.

Another actress that's right there. crowding up grabs leave in Las Vegas. Yeah. Crowding up the space. Wow. For Carlis, like another,

I'm telling you it's a deep, deep, deep, bitch. Yeah, we could have had at first sight, you know, with, I don't know what was that.

No, that was another one, Mira Sorvino. She was also in there. What's the other, Mirovino? I'm telling you, there's a lot going on.

Gwen Paul Cho's I'm thinking of the same. I'm thinking of the same. It's like a lot of people coming in. Craig, you know what at first site is? No. It's a drama that's now comedy.

Okay. Valcomer's blind, but there's an operation where he can get his sight back so he can see things for about 30 minutes in the movie and falls in love with Mirro Sorbino. But guess what? The surgery had after effects and he's going to lose his sight again. Now he has to decide what's important to him. And they go to a hockey game at one point. Why don't we do dramas that are now comedy month?

I have it. I've done all the work. It's a regarding Henry driven month. I saw at first sight in high school on a first date with a girl. who loved it, and I broke up with her after that. That was it. It's true story. You're sick of it.

You're over it. Regarding Henry as unintentional comedy is going to be a really interesting movie to do. There's another one for dramas that are now a comedy month that I might be the only one that thinks it's funny, but Legends of the Fall is hilarious now. I haven't seen it in a long time. That was like a very serious drama that is now,

like, laugh out loud funny. Man, that's just another movie in the never-ending chapter of my mom was white. thing. Every once in a while, my mama would say something that would really piss my dad off. You want that to be a month fan?

Yeah. My mama's white boy thing, my mama's white boy thing. My mama watched Legends of the Fall and be like, I told you about the, the Thelma and Louise story. Yes. Yeah, my mom goes,

your mom like Brad Pitt. She goes, I just saw the finest white boy I ever seen before in my life. And then she's watching Legends of the Fall and she just says, he keeps getting finer. I don't understand what's going on. My father could not handle it.

Just think. When she went to see once upon time in Hollywood, did she go? No, she didn't see. She's over it now. She's militant again. $73 million budget for... $73 million budget for snake guys. It made $103.9 million.

And our guy, Raj... Oh, no. He won-starred it. Oh, no. I think this is only like the fourth one-star we've got from Raj. He said, it's the worst kind of bad film, the kind that get you all worked up and then let you down, instead of being lousy from the first shot. Damn. settle down, Rush.

Come on. He loved the steady cam shot in the beginning, and then he just thought it fell apart. Man, man, oh, man. Interesting. Yeah. He gave Halloween two stars and this movie one star. Yeah, he was, sometimes Rajah were just being in a bad mood.

Cranky. Yeah, cranky. This is a tough review. Oh, you read it? Yeah. It's a tough one. Most rewatchable scene. It's brought to you by the Home Depot.

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Like when I sat down and watch Ace Ventura, it took me 10 minutes to be like, yo, why is he acting like this? And then you got it. Tyler! When you saw Nick Cage in this, you're like, yo, what the fuck is going on? Is he supposed to be on cocaine?

Yeah, he's... Well, there's the cocaine, my ass line at the end of the movie I think indicates he likes to indulge in this fight night. I think it's reasonable to assume. That said, Cage is kind of like this in a lot of movies. Yeah, this is a nine and a half out of ten

on the cage scale? He's nuts, yes. An all-time dial-up by him. Really cool scene. It's great when you can see him nailing the synchronization with the crowd. There's a moment when he is watching the fight

and he stands up and as he stands up the whole, and he yells something and then the whole crowd stands up behind him, where it's like, that is, to get that many extras to work at the same time is Master Filmmaker A Plush It. That's not CGI, all those people in the crowd.

that's like hundreds, maybe thousands of extras? I think it helps the rewatchability of the movie, too. Totally. Because it's like, definitely like, how the fuck did they do this for 10 minutes? Also, very skilled. He's going back and forth between the girlfriend and the wife on the gold flip phone, the pizza with the wife, the birthday with the girlfriend. Yeah.

And they let you figure it out, right? They're not like over-explaining everything. The movie just drops you into his world. Like one second to set up and then we're going. The shooting scene itself. Pretty good. When he watches the video, the knockout punch, where he realizes it's a sunny list in situation,

right into Carla wiping blood off in the bathroom, which I just put it for van. That scene alone, I think, is worth spending some time on. That scene alone, yeah. Just right there. Just the angle that he chooses, I think is really interesting, you know? Gotta get the blood off. Once again, De Palma-esque.

You keep thinking that he's going to go for it, that there's a change of clothes happening or something, I admire the restraint. I admire the restraint as well. As regretable as it might be. The next scene I wrote down, Stan Shaw and Nick Cage screaming at each other.

It's an all-time Ruffalo, Han and Rubenick Partridge combo overacting award. They're just screaming for two minutes. Yeah. Well, I'll come back to that. Flashback to the Redhead pulling Sunnis away from the fight.

That whole... I like when De Palma goes backwards. it's always fun the elevator chase the overhead shot of the Atlantic City rooms I'm throwing in the Mally Rubin Award for Did this movie Need a Better Sex Scene here

I feel like one of those rooms could have had some freaky Atlantic City shit going on Topama's like you know what I'm older now I'm wiser I'm not going to put that in it's more important that frat boys spray beer on each other which was just weird yeah that was weird

Carla tells her story to Nick Cage on the staircase I thought I'd get fired not killed De Palma goes split screen as she's telling the story I always liked how De Palma would use boxes and split screens

I just feel like a not enough directors do that I agree multiple things at the same time by the way even when the Dodgers won the World Series I would have gone split screen multiple boxes so we can see three different things happening the same time they always discount our TVs are better now what they're doing the things

like for the Dodgers No, like we see the people on the mound celebrating, but then they split screen and we also see the people in the dugout celebrating. I got to give a shout out to my friend John DeMarsico who does the directs the Mets broadcasts because he's, this has been written about many times, but he's a huge cinephile. And in the baseball broadcast that he directs, he constantly is using all of those.

Oh, really? He has like huge, he's a huge diploma fan, has all kinds of DiPalmo match. You just Google him and look up all the stuff he's on. You'll just be watching a Mets game, and he'll just pull a move from Scarface in the middle the Mets game. Yeah, that's really cool. That's the fuck I'm talking about. That sounds like your soulmate. He is the man. Does he hate his sports life like you do or no?

I don't think he has as tortured a relationship to the Mets as I do. He sees them as a vessel for his creativity, much like De Palma, sees Carla Gugino and Nicholas Cage. You almost got passed by R.O. Hawani this weekend because he almost had the back-to-back days of the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays thing was bad. Then the Bills'Bow in the Chiefs game. Yeah, well, we share, Ariel and I share the Knicks. Yeah, and you had the Halberton game in May.

Thanks for my. Sorry. Great stuff. Cage finds the hidden video of Senise. The classic, you're like, oh, man, you just have your back to that door for too long. We're going to see the legs going down this. And there it is. It's Sanis.

I really like when bad guys explain why they did what they did. And you're kind of like, I see his point. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to save the country. You feel like Sanis has a point out. He's trying to save a country with something that doesn't really work. He's a bad guy,

but at least he seems a little conflicted, but I think he's just a good actor. He seems a little, as he's telling it, he's like, I know this is kind of fucked up, but here's how we got to this point versus like,

I'm evil. Is he just rationalizing his own greed? Totally. You know? Totally, but I bought it as he was doing it. I was like, okay. It's also,

you guys see House of Dynamite? Like, this is a plot point in House of Dynamite where it's like, this technology might not work. You know, it's like there's only a 50-50 percent chance of these, you know, anti-ballistic missiles? I saw the first episode of House of the Dynamite.

I didn't get to the second episode yet. Okay. I saw the part of it was, it was about to get to where the bomb was, and then the credits came up. So I just, I'm going to wait until next week to finish it. Okay, let us know when you finish the season. Yeah. It's not, I mean, it's not that good. It's really not.

Curses again in the second one. He has a curse in the first one. By the way, Nick Cage smoking in this, the Sean Penn, I brought my own Pack Award for Excellence on Screen Smoking. Underrated smoker, Nick Cage. Yeah, smokes a lot of movies. Kind of could have it dangling in the right way. I would say very believable.

Yeah. Almost as though he has partaken. We also, Van, we get, somebody says the name of the movie in the, in the dialogue. Love that. You got nothing, kiddo. Snake Eyes. The house always wins.

Great. You did it. Love it. You work that title. Cage runs it back, too, at the end. He runs it back. Yeah. There's no we, Kevin.

You got snake eyes with the chest suicide, which we don't see a lot. the action thrillers? I have some notes on that. I love it. You like the chest suicide? I think it's smart. Open coffin.

But he's like, I have to turn my back. Open coffin. You don't even get crazy. He was looking out for his family. Chess suicide. You don't see it in an action mood. You think he'll be getting like a really formal military funeral after his actions?

And then last, Last but at least, the fall of Richard Santoro, which happens for reasons we'll discuss later. Which year are most rewatchable scene, Sean? I just want... So the opening scene is no question, the best scene, the most memorable scene in the movie for me. Gugino, notwithstanding.

But I do like all four flashback sequences, or basically all of the POV sequences. So you see it through Rick Santoro's eyes in that opening scene. You see it through Tyler Lincoln's eyes when he's telling his version of the story. You see it through Kevin Dunn's eyes when he's telling his false version of the story. And then you see it through Julia Costello's eyes, Gagino's character, when they're sitting on the steps.

You know, it's an obvious homage to Roshaman and a lot of movies about the failure of memory. But you mentioned it when you were describing them. Like, every time he goes back, even though we're seeing something that we think we already know, he manages to turn the key just a little bit differently, which makes it to me a huge improvement on a movie like House of Dynamite, which does a very similar thing, way worse. And there is a way to do with this kind of storytelling and make it very exciting. I don't love how this movie concludes. Find the final 10 minutes a little tough.

But everything leading up to that, I think is really engaging. So the open is obviously, like you all saying, the best stuff to me. However, the specific scene where Gary Sinise, it turns bad and you see that he is really bad, not turns bad. You actually see what he is. For me, is just way more compelling than I remember it. Yeah. In this particular time where he's executing his accomplices and all of that stuff. To me, it just, it worked a lot better.

Like, after that, that's a real turning point in the movie to where this guy embodies scumbag asshole, well-acted, very high leverage. So that really works for me. Do you guys buy them as old friends? Good question. They have different energies. They do, and they needed something else. They needed to be their old friends.

Yeah, cool. We get it. But there needed to be something else that undergirded their friendship. Are we supposed to believe that they were in the service together? Either that or like high school. It said that they were friends, like childhood friends. But did they all? Was Nick Cage's character?

Did he serve? I couldn't figure that out. Garrison Isis' character has such a faith in his ability to come work for like the state department or something like that. It's almost as if he knows that he has a set of skills that can be useful on the federal level because of something they get together. Yeah. That was today's most rewatchable scene

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The most 1998 thing about this movie. I have a couple nominees for you. Okay. Huge heavyweight fights in Atlantic City.

This was my number one. Yeah, that's the 90s were like Atlantic City was the place. for nine years and then it died. This was right in the heart of Tyson Holyfield. Yep.

When those two fights. Forming at a couple there. Yeah. Yeah. Those two fights were right in that 96, 97, 98. And Vegas was making a very direct move to become like not just a place where you gamble and have, but the actual entertainment capital of the entire world. There was a very direct corporate move to Vegas.

And that's what ended up happening to Atlantic City. Just Vegas just had the support of all the big hotels. Chains. Vegas got it back in the early 2000s. The fights all came back. Yeah, I mean, at the end of it,

it started to be like you couldn't have a big fight in AC anymore. You couldn't be out there. Nick's 1999 cell phone. That's the other one I wrote down, the gold embossed flip phone. That's the most 98 thing ever. It's like you couldn't even fit it

in your jeans pocket. I also have people caring about the defense secretary. What do you mean? Pete Hanks said, in the news every day. Just people like, oh, he's here. He's at the fight.

In 1998, I would not have cared the defense secretary was in a fight. I have people clapping for the defense secretary. Still a situation to where people went, hey, somebody high up in the government. Yay. The only other one I have is,

at some point, one of the characters says, we got a goddamn Colombo around running loose. You know what Columbo is? Only because of Pokerface. Okay. Oh. Wow, so Columbo hasn't trickled down? Culturally expired.

That's a good show. Need Kathy Bates to bring them back. It's a very enjoyable TV show. What age is the best for you? Yeah. What more thing? If someone's happening and like, you're watching it, you're like, ah, you're fucked.

Colombo knows. I like Quincy. I was a Quincy guy. Never saw that. That's one of the... The doctor? Coroner. MD.

Yeah, the Quincy MD. Of all of those detectives, if you're in a draft of TV detectives, what you got to tell you Savalus, Cojack. Cojack. You got CoJack. You got Codack.

It's Dan Tana from Vegas is the answer. Dan Tantanin. Robert York? He got down. Even his assistant was hot. He was just surrounded by the way it is. That's not what we were talking about. That's my favorite one. Who's the best at solving crimes, you freak?

Oh, Quincy. Because Quincy could use coroner shit. He was a cop who could also do autopsies of the victims. Like, nobody can beat that. It's a crazy idea for TV. It's not. enough to just be a detective. You also have to be a coroner.

And every once in a while, he would look up at Sam, his assistant and go, it wasn't suicide. Sam, it was murder. Okay, just different situation, because one guy is legal and the other guy is medical. But as far as doctors who are also somehow

detectives, do you have Quincy or House MD? Because House MD House MD was good. House MD was looking to some shit and gave you House MD was the man. House Mdb was good. Do you like House?

Didn't watch it. No interest. What stage the best? An athlete falling into debt and having to do something illegal. Oh, shit. Wow. I wish that wasn't topical right now. Yeah.

Jesus. Yeah. There's a couple of these you're going to be able to cite. Hey, man. Don't just talk about the players. Show the mafia. Oh, yeah? This is my people.

You want to talk about the mafia? I don't really want to talk about them as much. What do you have? for what's the situation? Interesting how you kicked it to me. I mean, this is a very topical film right now, right? Let's do that part later.

Okay. Yeah, I have another spot for that. I think the Maestro movie is like a thing where it's like let this guy cook. Like, we're only making this movie because this guy

knows how to make movies feel fucking awesome. Like, this is something that is also kind of gone now from movies. But as I said, like, this is maybe the 10th or 11th best Brian De Palma movie. But it is one of the most watchable movies of the 1990s, and it is only that way because he can see the movie in his head, and he makes it so special in the style he has. So, I don't know, there's just not, that has aged nicely. We don't get those as often as we used to.

I have the moment in action thrillers when we realize someone we thought we knew is. the bad guy. There's always that, like in this movie, he's, Sanis is walking the hallway and he kind of, somebody's going ahead and he kind of stops and he looks around and you're like, oh no, it's you, you're the bad guy?

And he just gets on his phone. Those moments are always fun. Senes has a bad guy. We talked about, did we have another acceptable loss? Like acceptable losses. Yeah. It's been a good fantasy team name.

an award for the random guy who didn't do anything wrong in an action thriller, but it has to die anyway, we might have to consider for this next batch when we do our 26. In this case, the guy who thinks he's getting laid by Carla and takes her up to the room, and that guy just gets shot with a silencer. It's like, did that guy do anything wrong? That's what's aged the best to me.

What? That guy getting murdered. Asshole Josh Gat being used by a super... I thought the same thing. He's got that guy. It's not Josh Gad. It's not Josh Gad. It's pre-Josh Gad.

It's pre-Josh Gad. It's Gad before the GAD. Yeah. Pre-Gad. That guy being used by a hot woman for her own thing. Yeah. Thinking that he's the man. I never understand.

So you're that dude. Shout out to the Josh Gag guy. Josh God. Yeah. Josh God. You're that guy. I call him Gad, too. You're at AC.

Yeah. One night. Carla Gugino. For some reason, shows interesting. in you. It's over. Yeah. She's wearing a white mini skirt and a black bomber jacket that's zipped up with

only a bra underneath. And she comes up to you and is like, yeah, let's go up to your and you don't in any way. Do you have air conditioning? I do. Yeah, right. You don't in any way think. What's going on? I can make it really cold. Like, what's the deal? Because as guys, that guy just knows he's hot. He came to AC to fuck.

And now it's about to happen. Whatever happens in AC in Vegas. He's not a very nice guy that character. You know, when she's like, I'm in trouble. He's like, get the fuck out. Did he deserve to die? He put his wedding ring back on very pointedly. Did he deserve to die with a silencer?

So here's the thing, though. He's not a nice guy, and the wedding ring thing is fucked up. But him actually, at the moment that he realizes that it's not going to go down, putting some distance between him and her, that's smart. Yeah. Hey, I don't want there to be any type of, like, you know what? You're not down. Let's, let's end the night right here. Well, what's age the worst for this is now in 2025,

you just assume this woman who's all of a sudden randomly interested you is going to drug you in your room and take all your stuff. Yeah. Because there's been a lot more awareness of that the last 25 years, especially in Vegas and the Atlantic City. Literally happened to a friend of mine. I will not say who that friend is, but that literally happened to a friend. New Orleans?

In Las Vegas. I blame him. Here's one for Sean. I'm not casting any blame. Here's what's age the best for Sean. De Palma East. Easter eggs and pivotal moments that we circle back to. You're watching this live for the first time.

Here comes the pain. Here comes to pain. And it's basically the owl in blowout. It's like, man, he's really interested in this owl. And then it's like, oh, he's, John Travolta's character is going to watch this video. And it's like, oh, there's the owl hooting. Before he says that, though, we do see that he's wearing an earpiece.

True. And that's a dead giveaway that something is up. That he's fucked, yeah. Dirty cops who decide once and for all Nobody's going to buy me anymore. I was like that in a movie. I've been bought for one last time. I'm trying to think of another time I've seen that.

I just have to mention a Palestinian sniper terrorist assassinating someone over their cooperation with Israel is topical in 2025. It is. I'm going to move on. Snake Eyes was the last Brian DePalma film for which Stephen Spielberg viewed the rough cut. It's an official end of the group.

Oh, they're not fucking with each other anymore. And they just kind of got old. It's like college buddies who don't really talk anymore. God damn. Are you telling me that there's an end to the Bill Simmons Joe House run coming? Wow. Never. Wow.

No. So I will say De Palma is interviewed in the new Martin Scorsese doc, Mr. Scorsese. And he's great in it because he's known Scorsese for 60 years. But he's still a little competitive with him. And you can tell. Yeah. Like, how come this guy got five parts? My documentary is 100 minutes.

When I was getting into movies And I just thought those guys's relationship was so awesome I think Spilbert comes on the set of Scarface And he's like do this, do that, all of that stuff And then one day, like all things, it must end It's all. It is cool though that it's like, let me just call it my best friend Who's also the greatest living filmmaker

And he'll just help me on one day. That is fucking awesome. Yeah, like this is the way And then that scene becomes fucking But it's also Like a testament to the the collaborative nature of these guys. It's like when Craig asked me for advice

for the fantasy football show, I just pop in like Spielberg. Cut this, move this around. High fits, quiet down. Have you ever thought about high fits? Maybe not doing? So Craig, the Spielberg in this? In this analogy?

Like it's Soderberg. The pump. Yeah. I have one last one stage the best. Trump, who I think would have hoared out his Atlantic City casino for just about anything in the 90s being like, eh, this is

a little rich for me. this whole evil casino owner. So can you make that the Powell Millennium instead? And they don't use the Trump. Yes. Very surprising that he did not allow them to use this. Or that he didn't appear in the film himself. Yeah, that's the real surprise.

Trump's right there. You would have started. Yeah. So something must happen. John Hurd though. Love John Hurd. This episode is brought to you by Apple and AT&T. Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all.

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orgasm. One of the great categories on this wonderful show. My favorite is the scene when Gugino and Cage are sitting on the staircase, and there's an overhead shot of the staircase and showing you all the levels of the stairs, and it gives you this sense of disorientation.

which is a direct lift from Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo. There's a scene near the end of the film in the chapel where we see Stewart looking down the staircase and feeling the sense of disorientation. And obviously, De Palma, I think Vertigo is his favorite movie of all time and also one of the most perverse movies ever made about wanting to have sex.

I want to actually do it for rewatchables in 2026. Because that movie is full-fledged off-the-rails, balkers. It is the, it is the, origin point of so many of our favorite movies and favorite directors. It would be hilarious if they just release that movie in March with Sidney as the Kim Novak character

and they just gave nobody any context. People would be like, what the fuck is happening in this movie? I mean, I will kill myself if that happens and yet I would watch it. Like, I need to see it first and then kill myself. What do you have for Great Shot Order Award

for most cinematic shot? I had the overhead AC rooms That's a good one Long shot Just because I always think about like How'd they do that? Did they have to build all these rooms One by one on a set?

Did they steal Did they have to match it with the casino? I think, yeah, I mean I think it's all sets That they've built. There's a recent example of that In John Wick 4 There's a very similar sequence Where they enter an apartment building

And it's the entire action sequence takes place overhead That is fucking amazing But I would not be surprised that they looked at this to do that. It's long. No, have you seen that sequence? Yeah.

Or he has the fire gun. It's crazy. Apparently in episode four of House of Dynamite, there's something like that. I haven't seen it yet in front of mine at a screener. My cinematic shot is when Carla Goghino falls to the floor and her glasses fall on the floor. And the camera is all the way on the bottom of the floor. And it's just looking at the glasses and you're like, oh, no, somebody's going to step on those glasses. And then crunch, somebody steps on the glasses.

That's good one. Mine is there is a sort of pretty long shot through a cracked door at the party. With the two guys talking, yeah. In there where it starts with

a bunch of hot models smoking crack it looks like. Yeah. There's smoking crack cocaine, which I didn't realize. In Tyler's room. Yeah, in Tyler. And so, but there's a long, and it stays there for a second and you look like

you're watching something that you're not supposed be watching. So it puts you directly in, I like when the camera or the style of the movie puts you in an emotional like situation.

Then you're like, is that Bobby Brown? Out of nowhere. New edition, getting back together. Chess Rockwell, Brocklander's the word for best character name. Lincoln Tyler, the AC Executioner. It's pretty good. That's good. AC executioner is really good.

I do think the main character's names are really good in this movie. Detective Rick Santoro, Atlantic City, P. and Commander Kevin Dunn, U.S. Naval Service? Commander Kevin Dunn. And they had a Kevin Dunn in the movie, but they didn't change the name of Commander Kevin Dunn.

So there was the actor Kevin Dunn from Dave, but then there was a character Kevin Dunn too. It's been confusing. What do you have for a flex category, Sean? I chose the I used to fuck guys like you in prison award for craziest quote. It's kind of more of an exchange, but it's very fast. It starts with Kevin Dunn saying, how's Angela? And Rick Santoro says, fat, fabulous, fantastic.

I love her. then Commander Kevin Dunn says, how's the other one? What's her name? Candy. And Santoro says, oh, Monique, skinny, mean, expensive. I love her. That's just a great moment in this movie. That's a cage cooking. Yeah.

The line reading is perfect and sums up what an asshole this guy is. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. Well, let's talk about the title wave. There's supposed to be a title wave in this movie that ends the movie. It was filmed by Industrial Light and Magic. You can see some of it online because the original ending or part of it is in there. And for some reason, they bail on this in the post edit, do the different ending. But it explains why when you're watching this, it's thunder, it's rain, people are looking up.

The movie begins with them talking about a storm. And then there's no payoff. And I have no idea why they cut it. He has talked about how he ultimately didn't feel that this is what this movie was about. It wasn't a spectacle movie. It was a movie about that intrigue that Van was talking about at the top. But how did they not know that before they committed to this title

wave thing? I think that they weren't happy with how the tidal wave looked. You can watch the tidal wave sequence on YouTube. It's on YouTube. It is okay. This is kind of getting into my hottest take, but I think my hottest take is that it's significantly better if you put the tidal wave back in, even what's existing. That's why I have it as the weak link. I don't know why they took it

out. It's like that we danced toward it for 90 minutes and then it just doesn't happen. The movie just deflates and also the Kevin Dunn self assassination, you know, it's just weird. Like that whole moment is very strange where he turns us back

to the camera and then does that. Put the gun down. We know who you are. It's like how do they know who he is? I think the movie ending with the title wave is to me a natural evolution of the chaotic nature of the film. The escalation. Yeah, to where something just kind of like random

or not so random, but something that's been building comes along and sweeps everything up. I totally agree with you. Pro title wave. Pro title wave. Yeah. I think even at the very end,

like the cage and Gagino on the beach, like the kiss, it felt like very outside what the movie was. It felt a little too, like, buttoned up in rom-comy. Yes.

What's age the worst? I think if you made this movie in 25, there would have been all the cameras, they would have been trying to, they would have figured out so many weird things about this assassination. why did this girl in the white dress with the blonde wig go and it fell off and who is this?

And we would have had all of these people. So are you arguing that... No, I'm saying just 1998 you could get away with an assassination thing like this at a fight and not have people... They didn't even know that blimp thing was there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, well, obviously.

This whole assassination thing made way more sense in 1998, I think than it would in 2025. It's an insanely elaborate plan. Right. The plan that they're attempting, yeah. With a lot on the line, like at this particular time, it's almost there's, one of my picking this is that there's a more efficient way to do what it is that they wanted to do.

Yeah, why did this boxer have to take a dive for them to kill this guy in the front row? I don't fully understand that. Obviously, the enlisting the Palestinian to be the trigger man, but then immediately killing the trigger man is very, you know, shades of JFK, obviously, in this. And then also, I don't really understand Carla Gugino's character. plan either. Like, why does she have to use this event to go to talk to the secretary of defense?

It seems like they're a simpler, much more straight to the point way of everyone getting what they wanted to get accomplished in this movie. You can now watch rewatchables on Spotify and the ringers first ever television channel. Yeah, you heard me. Available exclusively on Samsung TV Plus, the subscription-free streaming destination, bringing you the best of TV. Also, really good TV. We watch some of our greatest hits like Back to the Future, Alien, The Sandlot, and many more on the all-day ringer channel.

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So I'm Rick Santorum. Okay. And so you have a wife. Rick Santoro or Santorum? Excuse me, Santorum. I was thinking about political. You should be Rick Santorum in this story. Rich Santorum as Rick Santorum.

As Rick Santor. So you have a wife and a girlfriend that you have to explain where you've been. Okay. It's like something's going crazy. There's all this stuff going on, but you haven't been home. you're not really on the phone anymore. You have a wife and a girlfriend. It's two completely different ways.

So you have to call Angela and Monique. Angela and Monique because they're both calling you and they want to know what's going on. The wife is Angela, right? Yeah. So you talk to her first and you let her know that, look, honey, I don't know if you know. What's the home boy's name again?

Commander Kevin Dunn. Yeah. Man, Kevin, this guy is not who I thought he was. Yeah. Kevin, not coming back to Christmas, baby. No more. No more Kevin. is like one of the most, you know how he picks up,

he plays with the kids, he does all of this stuff. Yeah. That's not the guy. This guy's a killer. This guy's an asshole. She's on the other end of the phone. Like, I always told you there was something about him that I didn't like. I saw the darkness in him.

I could look at him and I could tell that there's just something wrong about that guy. And you're like, baby, you were right. You were right. This guy's out of our life forever. Look at my face. Look at what happened to my face. That was him. He had the heavyweight champion of the world assault me.

baby you were right about him totally different situation with the girlfriend the girlfriend's name again is Monique Monique where have you been I haven't talked hey that's not how our relationship goes what did Jay Z say our time together is our time together our time apart is our time apart so you love Rick with your mind and not with your heart I got a whole family you don't call me and ask me where I've been that's not what you do now I will tell you this the rooms at this hotel and AC are amazing. So if in a couple of days after this all blows over, you want to come check this out, that's cool.

If you want to have some fun, that's cool. But I got kids and a family and a wife. Don't call this phone no more after 1030. Wow, a clinic on how to deal with the Kumar. One thing I really like when he's talking to his wife early in the movie is she's asking about what pizza order they should do. And he's given her the details about what's on the different pizzas. and he's like, I don't fucking know, I'm not going to be eating it.

I'm not going to be home. You know, it's a very relatable fight. Also, why does she, can his wife not order a pizza? Why does he have to bring the pizza home at one in the morning? Fucking order a pizza yourself. But that's the kind of, that's what he got in the heat of man of his family. I guess what he got going on. You know what I'm saying?

Maybe y'all let y'all women have free reign and order pizzas and stuff like that, but not Rick. I feel like since we know that Monique is skinny, mean, and expensive, if she might push back a little bit on Rick's attempt to manage that scenario. And we know his wife is, to use his words, fat. Yeah, and fantastic. So it might have been a late-night pizza for her. She might have already had dinner. Might have been her second pizza the day.

We'll take a break and then do hotest take. All right, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford Hottest Take Award. Sean, do you do yours? So I said the title way would have been a much better ending. But I do think the less classy the material, the better the Brian to Palm movie. So, like, obviously we talked

about Bonfire of the Vanities, very classy novel adaptation of a Tom Wolf book, not a successful movie. The hot take part is that I just don't think the untouchables is very good.

And it is like the classiest of the De Palma movies, and it's never been one of my movies. I've never really cared about it. I don't think it's that interesting. And I would much rather watch blow out

or dress to kill or body double or this. this movie than the untouchables. Now, do you think those movies are better, or do you think the untouchables kind of sucks? I don't know if it sucks. Like, it obviously is so well made. I just find it kind of dull.

You agree. We did on rewatchables. There's some... It's got the De Niro stuff that I love. It's got the cost. I like it more than Sean. I get it. I get his take.

If a different director had made it, I think you would like it more. That might be it. It's like, I'm like, this is a missed opportunity. Like switch this like two directors should trade again You're watching Jason Kidd in the triangle offense going What's going on?

Give this guy the ball and let him go So yeah that's kind of the thing right When a director like him with like De Palma plays it safe and straight up and down the line Yeah It kind of weighs on you a little bit And that is a very It's like when Van goes on CNN

I'm a rival Rosal on CNN You did you did You did the glaze moment That was that was That was good. You did do the glit. That was really good. Do you have a hottest take?

I do. That it's not a better movie, but it might be a more interesting movie if the leads, roles were reversed. Yeah. Senise as the hero. Senise as the hero in this and Nick Cage sort of playing up. But Nick Cage dialing it down and Sinise dialing it up. Can Sinise pull off that shirt?

Maybe not, but maybe you get something. Maybe Sinise wears, you know what he could pull off? a notorious big B-I-G Versace-type joint. Oh, yeah, the sweater. You get him a little louder and stuff like that. I thought you were going to go Travolta Cage Reunion.

Oh, that works too. Where either of them could have played either part. But you know what? Travolta can dial it up. He could have been Kevin Dunn, I think, because he's got the General's daughter in him. We know we can wear the uniform, right? It's a disturbing movie.

Oh, yeah. It's an unfortunate film. As I saw the movie, I kind of felt like in this movie at a certain point, Cage was doing what he was doing. Yeah. And Seniz was doing what he was doing. That was what I was saying.

They had different energies. They're kind of like not really on the same wavelength in this movie. Right. If they would have switched it up, each guy would have subverted something, and it might have been a little bit more interesting. My hottest take. Nick Cage, number one guy at all time,

you could cast in any part of a Vegas or Atlantic City movie. He could play all the parts. He could be a blackjack dealer, cop, crooked cop, Gambler, Bookie, Fight Fixer, Pimp, security guard. Name anybody that works in a casino,

Nick Cage could play that part. Great take. It's the only one that. I can't think of anybody else you could say that about. Also, it can be the every man that kind of gets his girl stolen by James Cohn.

Could have been in the car with Vince Vaughn and John Favro, younger Nick Cage. That's like the third buddy. Being like, Vegas. Good done everything. Great takes. Casting what ifs.

Wow. to Palma, offered Sanisa's role to our guy, Al Pacino, who turned it down, who, uh, would have been,

would have needed an older actor to play the other part, if you do that, right? I was with Rick Santoro half an hour ago! He, of course, is the original utterer of,

Here comes the pain. Carlino's Way. And then this is where it gets... You want me big time? You're going to die big time. This is where... Carlito's way or something. So good.

I've been with made guys, connected guys. Who you've been with? Van, this casting what if is going to break your brain. Okay. Let's see. Offered Senise's role. Wouldn't take it because he wanted 20 million and they offered 12. Our guy Will Smith.

decided to do enemy of the state instead. We all won. Good movie. Yeah. Two winners. I'm glad he did enemy of this state. I like enemy to state. Look at the incestuous, enemy of the state he takes,

because Tom Cruise turned it down, who worked with De Palma. This is how movies go. Like the whole nine. Interesting movie with Will Smith in this movie, man. Also could have played either part, but I think him as Commander Kevin Dunn. Will Smith never played a part like that.

Right. Actually, been really interesting. I wouldn't believe him as Nick Cage with friends too. He never plays sleazy guys either. Never plays sleazy, never really plays villain. So like, he needed a couple of those,

man. He really did. Give Will spent the fucking 20 million. It's 1998. Like, that seems the most bankable it's kind of surprising that they wouldn't pay out. That is kind of surprising. That job on them. There's a long line. The title wave.

Best that guy award. We went through all the candidates. I think it's, I think, it's Michael Rospoli, even though we know what his name is. I think he's the most that guy of all of that guys. I have done Rospoli and Mike Starr. I think those are like elite that guy actors.

I have Bairgs just because Denzel fucked his girlfriend in the other room while he was sleeping, devil in the blue dress. Who do you have for D.N. Waiters' word. It's the first I'm hearing of this. Who do you have for Dan Waiters? Carla's not eligible. A woman named Jane Heitmeyer, who

plays Serena, the Redhead, the Redhead, a.k.a. the blonde. who is my pick for the CR, I would throw my life away for her. There you go. Wow. She's just, she's, she's, she has the juice. The Palma movie with the Redhead and gambling and, it's a lot of things that checked Sean's box. It's a very comfortable movie for me, yeah.

Like a warm bath. She's like a prototypical Dionne Waiters in this role. Yeah. Like prototypical. I'm down with it. Recasting Couch director or city. Can we talk about Stan Shaw being a little bit too old to be. be Lincoln Tyler.

Isn't it? He was going to be my weak link. He's like, looks like he's 47. Now, we did have older champs at that point. Like, Foreman was older. But if this is, if this is... He seems like he's almost 50. But if this is Michael Clark

Duncan or Ving Rames, aren't you like, yeah, I buy that? Like, I like seeing him as a boxer. He played a boxer, Harlem Knights, all that stuff. I love him as an actor. But when you watch it, I know he's supposed to be a little bit older, He's jarringly a little bit older in this situation, like,

jarringly old to me. Yes. It's two years too early, but this would have been a great 50 cent part. Two years too early. Because he wasn't 50 cent yet. That came out of like 2000 to be a heavyweight. I was trying to think this, it felt like a good stunt casting. It's hard because there's just not a lot of actors who could credibly play a heavyweight.

Yeah. You have to be tall. By the way, he didn't have to be a heavyweight. He could have been a Walterweight or a middleweight. That's true. That's true. You know, I guess. But at that time, during the 90s,

there's probably a reflection to the fact that we only really, really at that point in the 90s, we're really super caring about heavyweight boxing. The only guy that was really drawing someone at the lower waist was Delaware. And the executioner is obviously modeled on Tyson in a lot of ways, right? They're like, hasn't been knocked out in 28 professional fights, and I saw him in the gold gloves. I don't say they could have just cast Tyson.

Could it? I always like it. I have something later on. But I always like it in these movies where, they go with actual fighters. This role is a little bit, maybe too much because then you got to act. He's got some real scenes with Cage, yeah.

But like when they get like a real fighter or somebody... Bing Ram's... He could have done it. He could have done it. He could have been a boxer and undisputed. Could have kicked the tires, maybe call Wesley Snipes his agent, being like... Too small of a role for Wesleyan.

98? Too small of a role for Wesley. In the late 90s? Slade. Same year. Yeah. Too small of role for Wesley. Yeah.

Craig, you used to have your flex category or no? A lot were swiped. I was going to bring up Blink and Tyler. I got the Elizabeth shoe for Gugino. Also, like, why did she have to wear that wig and dress? Why didn't she dress super understated? I don't understand why she looked like that. That makes no sense to me.

Yeah, she could have worn, like, a hat and a brown wig. Baseball hat. Doesn't make sense at all. This one might not go over well. I don't know about the title of this movie. I don't think it has anything to do with the movie. I feel like Snake Eyes is more of a casino term. There's no dice in the movie.

It's about boxing. I thought Snake Eyes didn't make any sense. It's like we could have had a better title. Call fight night. Well, it's a double on... Fight night's a good title. Double on tondra, because it's like... House always wins.

No, but Senes is the snake. Like, he's the one who you think he's one thing, but he's actually the opposite. And they're trying to... He's luring you into his trap, and he's a predator. Everybody loses. Everybody comes up snake eyes. Like, the house always wins. It's like, well, who is the house?

Like, there's no real casino gambling. It was the missile defense system, which eventually gets pushed forward, which we learned about. So Gilbert Powell, who is at the seat of power, wins as a power always does. That's the house. That's why I said I don't think it would go over well.

Get your head out of your ass, Craig. I'm just saying. Craig, I like this. I like when Craig sags. So what's a good title then? Fight night. I'll use it. You did say fight night. Fight night's good.

Fight night works. Everybody's fighting. Their own battle. Sure. Yeah. Apex Mountain for Cage, no. De Palman, though. Fix boxing movies. Dix Town. Ooh.

Rispoli. Yeah. Rispoli, yes. I have a rispoly. Carla, no. Atlantic City as a viable destination for a movie like this, yes. Now, I think the answer to that is the movie Atlantic City, the Louis Moll movie, which is an amazing movie.

But this would be number two from you. You know that movie? Never saw it. That's a throw your life away, Susan's random performance. What era are we talking about? 1981? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. That's her throw your life away era, for sure. She's very attractive in that. That's another movie that's gone. That's one of those 80s, 90s movies. There's no record. Older guy character piece? No, it's like gone.

Oh, people don't watch it. Yeah, yeah. No, I think it's like doesn't exist. I think it's one of those that's just out. I have thoughts about the older guy character piece. I love those movies. I love them. I love a movie where it's like this guy's 63.

But they won't do it anymore. It's all slipping through his fingers. Because the older guys. They want to be too young. They want to be too young. This is the problem. You know, Criterion, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, which is really good.

And every month they change the movies. And they'll have some that haven't been streaming for a while. Their programming is amazing on that service. Them and AMC are the only ones left that would have a movie like Atlantic City. But for the most part, they're just gone. And I don't know whether it's like a rights thing, but it's really frustrating, especially for this show because there's movies we can't do because they don't exist. Revenge of the Nerds is gone.

Do you know, like, this is interesting that we're talking about this. Like a month ago, like I'm at the crib. And I was just like, I want to watch the Mac. You see the Mac? Yeah. I want to watch the Mac. I could not find a Mac to watch it. Bernie Casey?

No. The Mac is, the Mac is Max Julian as... That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like... The closest you can come is watching them watch it in true romance.

That's what Drexel Spivey is watching on the TV, right? Yeah. You see, I know I'm pretty, but I'm not pretty as a couple of titties. But, like, it's... That one's gone. Yeah. The Mac, couldn't find the Mac.

Wanted to watch the Mac, couldn't find the Mac. Watch, settle for Superfly. As always, I'll just say, by physical media. You will always have access to these movies. Yeah. That is true. Some of them... Oh, Atlantic City is...

You can rent it. A Mac somewhere. Great. Recommend it. It's a good movie. That's the wrong one. I bet my mom and them got it. They got to have it in Louisiana somewhere.

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for delivery. Oh, Apex Mountain. How about this? Yeah. Boxing matches in non-boxing movies. In a movie that's not about boxing. I'm trying to think what else is in there. Like in a movie that's like...

Pulp Fiction? Well, there's no... We don't see the fight at all. Like, think about it. This movie is not about boxing. Normally, boxing matches come in movies that are specifically about boxing or about the sport. It's a very good call.

There definitely has got to be another example out there. There's got to be, yeah. You should prep, Sean. It's going to come. Now I'm going to just be haunted when I forget to name one movie. He walked through his own criterion closet, just looking for a boxing movie. Well, there's a lot of movies in the 40s and 50s like this, right? Like, the harder they fall is technically about the 50s version with Bogart.

It's technically about fights, but it's not a fight movie, but there's a fight in it. There's got to be a good example of this. I can't think of it. Yeah, I'll think of it about nine hours from now after the pod's already done. Stan Shaw, no. I do like Stan Shaw. He's really awesome. I think he's a little miscast in this.

Oh, Hunter, he's too old. But I think, I was trying to think what his, he's been in a lot of good stuff, but I think that number one is probably Great Santini. Oh. But he's also in this movie that doesn't exist anymore, tough enough with Dennis Quaid,

where Dennis Quaid's in a tough man competition. And Stan Shaw is like his, I think he's the other guy. it, but he's been around. Stan Schott was in five boxing movies somehow. I feel like I know him. What do I know him best from? Does he have a boxing background?

He must. Oh, I know him from Monster Squad. Ever seen Monster Squad? Oh, yeah. The kids, they all get together and they're going to go fight the monsters because the monsters come out of the vortex, right? And Abraham Van Helsing, he comes in at the end of the movie. But then, like the end, before he comes in, they have this girl, she's supposed to have a

version, read this incantation that's going to send Dracula back through this thing. And they have one of their friends of the Monsters' Guard, they have their sister read the incantation. And it doesn't work because it turns out she's not a virgin. And that you didn't know this. Because you figure she's like 16, 17 years old. It's facts. It is.

It's a quality quality. I definitely haven't seen this. It turns out. And then they have one of their little sisters who's a little girl. Yeah. She reads it. Van Helsing comes back through the thing, gets Dracula, pulls him back through the vortex. they win.

I think Shane Black wrote that. He did right. What year is that? It's directed by Fred Decker. It's like 86. All the monsters come back to this town. Dracula, Wolfman, Frankenstein. The priest is from the Black Lagoon.

All of them. It's perfect gateway horror. If you're eight years old and you see it, you're like, I'll watch horror movies forever. And it fucked with me because I learned about the lore or the Wolfman, because they killed a Wolfman in the movie. Wolfman's got Nards. Wolfman's got Nards. They killed a Wolfman in the movie and then a wolfman.

Go, go, thank you. Because he's been released from his curse. I felt for him. Stan Shaw is in that movie Cruiser, Hanks So this was going to be my other hottest take But I didn't want to step on this category It should be Cruz and Hanks

Cruise is Santoro And Hanks is done And then when Hanks, it's revealed that Hanks is the bad guy It's the most shocking reveal of the 90s And this movie would have made $900 million You leave the title wave in You get an extra $50 million in the budget Because you've got the two biggest stars of the era

and it's directed by Prime and De Palma who's just worked with Cruz on Mission Impossible and we know it will be great in the movie and Hanks, of course, was already in Bonfire of the Vanities. Make this movie. Couldn't you make the same argument for Cruz and Will Smith? They're not the same age. To me, you could get away with, I think,

Cruz and Hanks being the same age. If it's Cruz and Hanks, this movie is the espionage version of Interview with the Vampire. It's like two Titans coming together, to where just the fact that their names are up there together sparks a whole bunch of interest for the movie. Is there a spot for Cruz to run in this movie? Maybe he's running through.

Maybe through the back hallways. You can always find spots for him. Get down the hotel room. Maybe he... Oh, he has to run down the hotel hallway. Yeah. Yeah. I think he would have put that in the negotiations.

In his contract. Yeah. He's like, I read the script. When Rick's on the 35th, floor. What if he's on the wrong side and has to sprint the other way? Scorsese or Spielberg? This is obviously Scorsese. This would have been a cool Scorsese movie. And what part would Philip Seymour have played? I think

Seneas' part would have been. I wrote Gilbert Powell. Which one is that? The Donald Trump figure that John Hurd plays. Oh. When he gives the big, he's yelling at Senes' character about all his plan and what's going to happen and how he needs the millennium to open. That's just a very PSH kind of moment in the movie. Picking Nits.

What do you got, Van? They're having a full-on party with crack before a heavyweight title fight. They're smoking crack. It's pre-fight. Now, I know that boxers get crazy, but I don't know how many times I've seen them go to the back

where the fighters are getting ready, and there's a full-on model party happening in the dressing room of the boxer where they're getting down. I think that might have actually happened during the Tyson post-jail era. Maybe. Maybe.

Before the fight. She's covering in blood and she's running through the thing. One guy stops her. Other than that, nobody really gives a shit. It's the whole time she's covered in blood. I'm like, I'm trying to think of any time I've ever seen someone even with a bloody nose, you're like, hey, man, I don't know if you know, but your nose is bleeding. She's got blood all over.

You wanted a cop to set her aside, full body cavity search. That's what you wanted. search and why don't you get out of those bloody clothes. Those are the types of movies I like. He's running security, Garrison Isis's friend, Garrison Isis running security. He, however, gets his boy tickets to the fight and there's been no security screening of any kind.

He just chills right there with the Secretary of Defense. I'm like, is there no lyric or no piece of dialogue where you go, hey man, I'm glad that you guys put me through this. extensive security search where now I get to chill and sit right next to the Secretary of Defense, all of that stuff. None of that happened. It's just I'm the bodyguard for the Secretary of Defense. Hey, my friend, come to the fight.

I don't think that it works that way. I don't know why it popped in my head. Another thing is... Wow. You're really bringing it to the table. Just one more time. You're snake-eyes in it up. These are some slightly high BMI heavy weights.

Now, I am not in any way. I thought the same thing. I'm not in any way. This looks like an ESPN Friday night fights fight. If you guys look at me, I'm not in any way shaming anyone. I'm just saying this is two heavyways fighting that in the 90s, this wasn't the heavyways. It was Lewis and Tyson and Holyfield and all of that. Razor Ruddick.

You know, you had maybe a couple of guys. But these are some high BMI heavy weights. That's it. That's all of them. What did you have, Sean? Well, I mentioned already that Carla Gugino's plan is incoherent. Craig also points out that she's dressed like Marilyn Monroe in an attempt to get the attention of the Secretary of Defense at a fight.

But then her whole intention is to be a whistleblower to have this whole plan destroyed. And then so she would put herself out of work in theory. More importantly... He doesn't need to get her attention. He invited her theoretically. More importantly, we have fucking email in 1998. Send him an email.

She did. She wanted to deliver it by hand because I think she didn't want to get... No, we have email. There's specifically some mention in this movie somewhere of an email that was sent. But it was a mention that was said in a way where email was still kind of new

and it seemed conceivable. She wouldn't be able to get an email to him. No, but she says something in the movie about either she sent an email or there was an email or something in the movie. I feel like she could have gone up to him before the fight

versus during the fight. rather than during the fight. And maybe giving it time. When every camera's on him, she's going to hand him an envelope. Everything is up there. I agree. Can she just have also gone to the press?

In theory, yes. Probably worried about her last. Makes sense. Because he was being applauded, maybe he was a beloved sect deaf. Right. You know, he could have been a hero. I have a really stealth boxing nitpick.

The crowd is just too energetic and into it and upset in the first minute of the fight. They're just booing because there's not enough action. No crowd has ever been this. No crowd has ever been this. No, But initially they're booing because there's not action yet.

And it's like the fight just started. That never happens. Can we talk about Jose Pacifico Ruiz for a moment? So I didn't know where to put him. I don't know if he should have been in overacting. I don't know if he should have been weak link. I don't know if his characters are. It might be a new category.

It might be the Jose Pacifico Ruiz worst sports movie character. First of all, you know, I'm sure he was a wonderful boxer. His acting is abominable. Like, he is absolutely terrible in this movie. also when Stan Shaw's He's so bad His mugging in the camera His name sucks

So he's a Pacifico Ruiz He If we're to believe What Tyler Lincoln says This guy was also on the take But he's fucking up the plan Because he doesn't know how to box Like what exactly is going on

Where he pulls back on the phantom punch He doesn't go for the kill When he's supposed to He's kind of jabbing him You know what he's describing And he's talking shit Yeah, he's talking too much shit. He's losing sight of what the job is to do.

Do you think he even knows that there is a job? Isn't it clear that he's supposed to know when he hears the sign too? Yeah, I think they're both. They're both in on it, right? I think they're both in on it. I could be wrong. It's terrible. Good point, push on.

Here's my biggest nitpick. Why isn't Carla wearing content cleanses? It's 1998. It's like, if I lose these glasses, I'd just become Mr. Magoo. you have a job working for a defense you know of your weapons analyst you can't put in some contacts

there is one really funny Mr. Magoo's style Prattfall moment though where she comes out of the bathroom after she's cleaned herself up and she's walking back into the arena and she bumps into the wall and she looks at the wall because she can't see

it's like a nice reminder of the fight also if she was that blind the glasses would be way thicker and I say this as somebody who's blind and I've never had a pair of glasses that those look like reading glasses. Yeah. Like, come on.

Contact lenses, A-plus. Love them. Where would I be without them? The actual... Oh, nobody notices the heavyweight champ punching out a cop. That one jumped out to me. And then obviously,

Carla making a move on Nick at the end. Where does that come from? They have no sexual attention in the whole movie. And she's batting her eyelashes and being cute and being like, maybe you should look me up sometime. It's like, what is happening?

This guy's a loser scumbback. does make a move on her earlier in the movie when he sits her down before it gets real and he learns that his friend has betrayed him. So there's some indication that he wants, he's down? The only 90s movie that had the sense to take out the underlying sexual energy

between the man and the woman was the Pelican brief. Yes, because America's racist, right? That's part of it. Yeah. And that's where the sense came from. missing a major chunk of that movie. Yeah, like, that's the only movie that was like, you know what?

You think they showed full penetration in that scene that they cut out? I think they... Darby Shog got a world rock. I think they should have gone with the Pelican Briefs. You make that movie, right? I'm just preparing to come out with that. This movie have a porn parody, you know? They definitely could.

And so, like, but everything else, they just had to do it. Like, they had to do it. They had to make the people have some type of energy. They always had to do it. I guess they didn't do it. Didn't they take it out of a... You can't handle the truth. A few good men.

Yeah. They took it out of that one too. Joe? Yeah, Joe doesn't get it. She was with the galactically stupid. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. Prestige TV, maybe. I don't know.

Oh, wow. So defeated. No, I just... I would have to fuck with this. Never seen you be so. defeated by your own category. I think this movie's fine. I wouldn't do.

I think a prequel about Rick and Kevin growing up is kind of fun. Okay. And then we see Kevin's dark side, but Rick can't see it because he's kind of a scumbag. Oh. Is this movie better with Wayne Jacket,

it's Danny Treo, Mad Dog, Russo, Dorisberg, Buffalo, Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron, Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Dana, Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm.

I have a new combo for this. Joe Davis and John Smoltz announcing the fight. And there's another knockdown, John. Whoop, gunshots. The Secretary of Defense is down. And John Smoltz goes, yeah, we've never seen this before, Joe.

This is pretty crazy. That's all I got. Is the idea there that they don't have enough energy? Yes, that's the idea, Sean. But if Shohey Otani, was present at that fight, they would have cut to him and said, there he is!

The great fights! Otani again! Joe Davis, that bastard, if it's a Dodgers moment, he really gets his dander up. Poor Blue Jays fans. I should have put in something about them bringing up the Joe Carter home run.

Yeah, that was a lot. During the Lincoln Tyler fight. Just fucking, just stop bringing the fucking shit up, man. Joe Carter. It's like history lesson time. Yeah, now it's tough. A moment for Blue Jays fans, that was brutal. Brutal.

That was brutal. And Lincoln, Tyler, is down again. He sure is, Joe. I do think, I can't adequately do this because Chris is not here, but I do think Byron Mayo would be incredible in this movie. He was like, Kevin Dunn, my old friend, and meet my friend Serena. Oh, in the backstage, yeah. That would have been good. What was Carla's name in this movie?

I forget. Carla. I noticed you lost your top. Let me take you to the gift shop. Carla, I've got air conditioning. Probably in answer some questions. I just don't know why all bad guys don't use a silencer. What's the downside?

Great note. It's a good note. Incredible note. Is it heavier? What is it, Craig? It's bigger, bulkier, harder to pack. It's longer. Harder to conceal.

That's true. Just like if I was ever an assassin, silence or every time. But I love a scene when like two assassins are getting ready to go to work and they start screwing the silencer on. I'm like, that's movie magic to me. Because you're getting ready for to do a job. Action's going to happen.

Yeah. Show how deliberate they are. Yes. Fanduline for Lincoln Tyler versus Jose Pacifico Ruiz heading into the fight. Yeah. Like Tyler minus 650? They said he was 10 to 1. Oh, they did?

10 to 1 favorite. Ruiz was 10 to 1 favorite. Well, that's why he was getting this. He was so fucked up about the bet. Yeah. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I could offer you the bloody $100 bill. I could offer you Nick Cage's jacket, which you could wear.

I could offer you an actual poster of the fight. You could frame that. What would you take? I have another answer. Go. The ruby red ring, which is revealed in the concrete slab at the end of the movie, at the end of the credits. Oh, good point.

Which is the ring. that Serena the redhead wears, she's killed, and then they're pushed off into the concrete slab. That's like, there's all this big sequence where, after he kills them, we see them getting loaded up into this truck, which is really a weird way to dispense,

and the two dead bodies are inside of that concrete slab. So you'd want the Ruby Red ring. Chip that out. Coach Finstock wore a best life lesson. I'm naive. There's worse things to be. I guess that would be it. Don't be naive.

Best double feature choice, blowout? Face off? I'll put face off. I put face off. Just run it. Run it right back. Nick. What do you have?

I have five nominees. Domino? You tell me which one you like. Okay, cool. Dress to Kill. JFK. In the line of fire. No way out.

Oh. L.A. Confidential. Who? Which of those do you like? No way out. It's pretty close. Totally, right? Where you're like, this is a sleazy crime.

drama set in the world of high power politics. Craig ruined no way out, though. Why? He said Sean Young wasn't hot. Oh, that was... This is one of the greatest big controversy. No, no. It's like one of the classic generations.

Honestly. Let's get a poll. Let's get a poll going online. It's just embarrassing. No. It sends me to like in like an actual... Gen Z can't participate. Like we need like, we need like geo-blocking but for a generation where they can't...

Only boomers get to vote. Yeah. It's like, sure. It's like says me to a range. That says it should be in America too. Only millennial. And Buhlers get to vote now. Here's the ball.

Watch the movie. Does she do it for you? I'm winning that. Okay. I mean, maybe amongst your generation, the ones that shy away from... Now, I'll take it across the board. I'll take your generation to it.

It's like, but dude, that's a... That's a tough one, bro. Also, remember, she is Finkel to me. She is Einhorn. Yeah. Oh. It's a whole different relationship with her. It's fair.

It's a stellar performance. That's true. But also, she's not good in it. Who won Snake Eyes for you guys? I don't think Cage has ever lost a movie he starred in. Oh, interesting. I don't. A movie where he's the guy.

Now, that would have been a great hottest take. He has this overwhelming energy that, like, I don't think he's ever lost a movie he starred in. I had De Palma. I mean, you don't know. I thought about Carlo. I did test trap Carla, but I think it's DeBama. Carla's Bra? Well, because it's De Palma's last one that actually made some money and was memorable.

That was my other probably unanswerable. question is, did De Palma quit or get fired from the role of major director? Like, what actually happened? Because he makes Mission Impossible, massive sensation. He makes this movie, makes money. It's a well-known movie. We're doing it on the show right now. And then what happened?

It's his late 50s, and directors usually have a run of somewhere between 7 and 25 years, unless you're Scorsese. Or Spielberg? I think he's heard 50 when he made this movie. It said he was 56 in this. 50s, okay. Or 56, 57. Yeah. So we talked about Mission to Mars.

Bad movie. That bombing. You think that killed it? That's a bad movie. That's a big Disney swing. Yeah. Right. And it bombs.

And then he comes back and Finn Fatal was like a movie that people enjoyed, but it lost money and it was sort of controversial. Yeah. And a little bit off-killed-old. It was like a Euro sensation. Right, right. And then after that, he kind of just. Oh, that's like Black Dahlia,

Redacted. What was the movie with Wrake to McAdams? That one's weird. Passion, yeah. Office one. I think it's interesting. Yeah, it's cool. You ever seen that?

It's very classic to Palma, really kinky. It gets a to be classic. But it's almost like he, maybe he threw his chips in because he didn't go back to do... That quote about him saying it's the internet's time now, movies are over in 1998. It's chilling.

He's pretty lit. And I think there were some things that happened, too. There's things that. that happened in the 70s and 80s, that I think there were some things ingested and smoked and done. God bless him. The No Bomback Jake Paltrow documentary about him is one of the most pleasurable things I've ever seen.

I can put that on at any time of day and enjoy myself or it's just him talking about what a genius he is making his movies. Him and Schrader? Well, I guess Enfried can, too. Three guys who were like, is that recorder on? Just a fireblower. They could give a shit. Craig, let's hear it.

What you think? Loved it. Every time I watch a De Palma movie, I'm like, man, I fucking loved this movie. I got to watch every De Palma film because I think I've only seen the ones that we've covered on the show. I love Body Double. I just like in general when great directors make smaller movies. Like this, even though the budget was bigger or whatever, the story feels small and kind of random or insignificant. And I just think it's more enjoyable.

The stakes feel lower. That's the end of the rewatchable. Sure. Thanks to Craig Horo Beck for producing. Thanks to Gahav, who passed out an hour ago. Thanks to Ronick, as usual. And we'll be back next week. You can't reason with the sun.

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