The Rewatchables - ‘Sneakers’ With Bill Simmons, Kyle Brandt, and Joanna Robinson

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Kyle Brandt, and Joanna Robinson crank up the studio to 98.6 degrees to rewatch Robert Redford in ‘Sneakers,’ alongside Sidney Poitier, Mary McDonnell, Ben Kingsley, Dan Aykroyd, and River Phoenix. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nair, Chris Wohlers, and Eduardo Ocampo A Mountain of Movies® on Paramount+. Stream now! A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.® Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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True. Kyle Brandt, football season started. It's rare to book you. You're on Good Morning Football. You're all over the place. And yet, Robert Redford died, and you just started badgering me. Sneakers, it's time. Sneakers, sneakers, here we go.

Sneakers, let's do this. We got to do it. Joanna Robinson, once upon a time, I texted her and said, all right, if you had to pick 10 rewatchables movies, what would they be? And Sneakers was there. This was the Good Son kind of choice for me. I'm holding the two people, and I can only save one. And in this case, I could save both.

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Yes. And give him head whenever he asks. That's how I want to start this pot right now. Guys, I'm thrilled to be here. I'm so happy. I'm happy to work with Joanna. I'm happy to talk about this movie. And I'm just going to start, Bill,

can I just start with a hot take? I've said this before. I think Sneakers is the most underrated movie of the entire 1990s. The most underrated, underrepresented, Because it's delightful, charming, has some of everything, suspense, comedy, romance, a little action, a little sex, an incredible cast. And I just don't think it's talked about much. I don't think kids in their 20s or even in their 30s know this movie. It doesn't get spoofed on family guy.

It's not out there. I think there's some reasons for that. But when I was a kid in 13, 14 years old, sneakers was always there for me on VHS. And with Redford Gone, I've already rewatched it three times. Wow. Anything to add, Joanna? This is what we watched the night that we found. that Redford died, we put sneakers on first thing.

I love this movie. And I completely agree. It's underrated, underseen, but there's something, I'll say, there's something I kind of like about that. Because on the one hand, I do want everyone to see sneakers. It's, I think, a perfect movie. But on the other hand, there's a thing that happened in the group text when we were playing this podcast where Kyle and I have never worked together. And Kyle's like, but if you like sneakers, you're good with me.

And it becomes this, like, password for people. Like if you meet someone else who loves sneakers in the wild, it's like, oh, we're going to get along. I get it, you get it. Wow. What other things are like that? I don't know, but it's like, but the added bonus of that is that then when you show it to people,

like, okay, you meet someone in the wild, you meet a Kyle Brand that you've never met before and you're like, we both like sneakers. We got something in common. And then you talk to a friend of yours who loves movies. And they're like, I've never seen sneakers who's in it. And then you start listing Redford. Yeah.

Guantier's here. River Phoenix is. here. Dan Aykroyd's here. Sir Ben Kingsley's here. I won't spoil that James Earl Jones is here, but James Earl Jones is here. And then they're like, wow, how haven't I, why haven't I heard this movie? And then you show it to them. And they, almost everyone, not everyone, but almost everyone loves it. And then you look like a genius. You look like a movie Sherpa. How did I not know about this, Kyle? You know what it is, Bill? It's like a band. I don't know. Maybe it's like Morrissey or something like that, like where you're like, there's not everybody likes

them, but then when you find someone who does, you have an immediate bond. Like, I felt warmth over the text thread just from Joanna because we were talking about sneakers. And I do have to set the table with this, though, a rewatchable's reference. My respect for Joanna skyrocketed during the Can't Hardly Wait Pod when she referenced the punked episode of Jennifer Love Hewitt, which is a tragic episode and they did her so wrong. I was like, she knows her shit.

That's a deep cut. So it's not surprising to me, Bill, that she likes sneakers. But you've been doing, Bill, you've been doing devil's work. You're doing God's work, rather. All the Redford stuff all month, like the classics and Devils. What is it like for you now to jump into like 92 Redford? It's confession time. You don't like sneakers.

Oh, no. No. I do like sneakers. I never saw it when it came out. And this is like a, just the age I was. So I'm a senior in college in 92. I think this movie came out in the fall. The computer thing, I just, I've talked about this on my,

my podcast. I just was out. I didn't even have a computer until senior year. And it was even like one of those dumb word processes. We had a computer club at Holy Cross. We used to make fun of everybody in there.

We'd like, look at those guys. What do they do? Those nerds. They're not going to make any money off of that. Oh my God. What are they doing? And we, there was like a snobiness

toward this kind of stuff that it took a while to come around. And now when you watch it, I watched this movie three times in the last month because I didn't know with that well. I've only seen it once. And I was like, holy shit. Like, they were so far ahead of the

game with so many of the themes of this. Exactly. But in the moment, I just, it just was one of those movies not for me. And there was also a lot of stuff in 1992. We, I mean, good movies were getting shot out like a t-shirt came in. Yeah, we used to live in a society. Yeah. We had great movies all the time. So it was like, you kind of

picked and chose. I was looking at the top, like the top ten movies of the year like box office gross because sneakers made some money, but not a ton of money. And I was like, okay, what beat it? And I was like, well, these are all tremendously good movies. So I can't really argue. You know, one of the problems is, Kyle?

I never dated a girl who was like, are you a sneakers person? And I never got, I just never had the sneakers kind of gospel person to suck me in. Yeah. I think it's the problem. Spreading the good word. We are doing the work. And I think, I think this movie is in lockstep with another movie that came a couple years later in Shawshank Redemption. And that I think it has a terrible title.

that is off-putting and confusing. Correct. I brought this movie up when Redford died on our show, Good Morning Football Live, and the rest of the cast was much younger than me. And I'm like, sneakers, sneakers. And they're like, is that a movie about shoes? Like Robert Redford did a shoe movie. And I'm like, no, it has nothing to do with that.

I think it's a terrible title. I think it also has a horrible poster, which was really important in the 90s, in which you have all these amazing actors, including Redford's beautiful face, and it's in the bottom right-hand corner just folding up. It's an awful poster, awful title. and sometimes that can be all she wrote in terms of legacy.

I agree. Terrible title, terrible poster, terrible tagline, which is we'd tell you what this movie is about, but then we'd have to kill you. Awful. And you're like, okay, but you need to tell people what the movie's about. They think it's about shoes. I had this coming up later.

Like, what was a better title? Because I'm with these sneakers. Plus, like, from in the Google Society we live in now. Yes. Google sneakers. It's not coming up. You have to put in sneakers, movie, Redford. Right.

And then it finds stuff finally. starts coming up. Because this is like a neat, yeah, bad SEO on sneakers. But this is a niche world inside of the hacking world. You know, that screenwriter is discovered and it's interesting. But yeah, inside of the movie, even inside the movie when they're like, we're going to do a sneak. I'm like, just don't say it.

No, don't try to make it happen. You know, it's not happening. Bill, that's inside the weeds of rewatchables. Because the three of us, I'm sure, have Googled sneakers many times over the last 72 hours. Yeah. And if you do like sneakers Redford, let me make a picture of Robert Redford's shoes on a movie. That's not what I want. I want the movie.

And I think it just, they should have called it too many secrets. Fine. It's a title. It works. It gets the ball on the fairway and we're often running. Too many secrets is pretty good. Or no more secrets. Or no more secrets.

Anything. Yeah. Could you go on with freakers with the pH? Yeah, the phone speakers. Or freaking? Yeah. With the pH. Or hackers because we're three years before the movie hackers.

That's coming. Yeah. I mean, hackers probably made more sense for this movie than the actual movie hackers. Where do you stand on hackers? I love hackers. You love hackers too. Angelina Joey's, what was her brother or first husband? First husband, Johnny Lee Miller.

Yeah, he was out. I feel like that's going to be Joanna's double feature choice, like 90 minutes. No, no, but 95. Like three years after this, 95 is Johnny Nomonic, the Net and Hackers. Hell yeah. Like we're three years in front of this like hacker movie boom. I did think that this was a waste of a theme month because the Net is one of like the funniest movies of the 90s now. It's like absolutely hilarious.

I think Hackers is too. All that disclosure we've already done, but that was also a movie that's like really funny with how they envisioned where the internet was going. Yeah. This movie actually... Sandra Bullock in the trailer is like, they've got my name.

They've got my phone number. They've got my address. And like, yeah. And she's freaking out. Right after speed, I think. Like, just going for it. There's a scene in the net where she has a laptop and it's like five inches thick

on her lap on the beach. And I was like, okay, all right. In five hours, she loses every single thing about her life. It's just gone. I don't even think you could do that now. So Sneakers creates a new genre. I think this is a new genre for 92. The CyberCaper?

Yeah. I think there are elements of it that feel new. It's not like the first hacking movie. But what was the first cyber caper? It's Sneakers, right? What else would it be? Yeah, I don't have a better answer for you. I think it, the thing is it's that it's a hacking movie.

It's a paranoia movie. It's a comedy. It's a post-cold war. It's post-cold war. It's a heist movie. You feel the... It's a con movie. It's kind of a little victory lap over Russia a little bit.

A little. All the time. They're basically dunking on Greg, the Russian character, the whole time who gets killed, by the way. And then Redford at one point's like, we won, they lost. It's been in a few papers. He might as well look to lens and give that Reds to the comedians. Suck it, Pinkos. It's all there.

But here's the big thing for me. Yeah. And this is what took me... I finally appreciate this movie. It took forever. It's a thinking man's action movie. It's a lot of just people cutting corners with their brains, basically.

It's also just incredibly satisfying from like all of the resolution. You know, they worked like for a decade on this script. And so it fits together so neatly like a puzzle. It's a little long. It's like a little over two hours. It's a little longer than you would expect for something like this. But nothing feels wasted. It all comes together.

I like to call it a perfect movie. And I feel the same way about something like tremors, which is another screenplay where like every single beat of tremors matters and pays off. And that's how I feel about sneakers. And it's just, it's intellectually satisfying the way it all comes together.

It's a perfect movie except River Phoenix. Honestly, not enough ISOs for him. I could have gone two more plays for him, just letting him cook do something. In terms of like why this movie wasn't a bigger hit, if you're going to sell this movie in the early 90s and you have River Phoenix in it and he's just like comic relief,

I love River Phoenix in this. I love comedy River Phoenix. But he's just like the doofy comic relief guy. And you're like, I'm like, you have one of the biggest, like, heartthrob stars in your movie. And he's like seventh build.

Yeah. Bill, did you see this in the research? It might come up that he's on record that he had just done my own private Idaho and was deep into the work and all heavy. And he literally said, I just wanted an easy money job. And they're like, sure.

So I think he's like having the time of his life on this movie. Absolutely. He's loving it. He and Dan Aykroyd, got along really well. And he's just like, he gets to work with Robert Redford. Like, nobody says no to working with Redford and Poitiers at this point.

This is one of the research movies. And sometimes I don't trust it. But in this one, it's clear, like, everybody loved being in the movie and working with each other. The River Phoenix thing, I mean, I didn't think we'd do it this fast in the pod. It was really important. Like, he was kind of the guy. He was basically what Leo became in the mid-90s when he was doing like Romeo and Juliet,

like after this boy's life and Gilbert Grape. Right. when he started making Romeo and Juliet before Titanic. There was a moment with him where it's like, this is going to be the next guy. And that was River Phoenix. Like when I was like a senior in high school and in college, like after standby me,

it was like, this is the guy. This is going to be the guy. And this is one of the only normal movies he really made in the last five years. Like he really started to do some dark stuff and his life went dark too. And then his last movie is that Samantha Mathis, like country western singer movie. I like that movie too. Yeah, I kind of like that movie too. I mean, listen, one of the things in the River Phoenix Trophy case towards the top is that Stephen Spielberg handpicks him to play Indiana Jones, the young version, which is like an all-time legacy character.

And he's amazing in that sequence. Yeah, he is. He's incredible. But to your point about like what Leo was doing at the time of 90s, then they come to him and they're like, hey, do you want to be in the Indiana Jones, young Indiana Jones TV show? And he goes, no, thanks. Yeah. Not for me. Right.

Not for me. Yeah, the Phoenix thing. It's sad watching him in this because he's just clearly. and Redford picked him. It's funny. Ethan Hawk told a story, and I think he was talking about this movie. Do you?

Was it this or something? River runs through it? Okay. Because these guys are all competing against Roe. So Ethan Hawk wasn't up for this one or it was? No, no. Did you see that story? No, I haven't seen it.

Ethan Hawk went on Jimmy Kimmel's show. Yeah. And told this like four-minute story about Redford about how he tried out for River Runs through it. For Brad Pitt's part. And he's like, he was told, you're too young kid, but you're great, keep going. is what Redford said to him.

And then Redford showed up at some play he was in later. Yeah. And was like, just would check in on him and they became friends. So it was like genuine. He's like, I really like you, but you're not right for this part, but I'm still like, I'm still a believer. And I think he felt the same way about River. Phoenix that I feel like we kind of still see him because we just watch Joaquin.

And it's like, would he have been the Joker? He probably would have been an incredible Joker. Like all of those parts that he plays that are so interesting, I wonder. Or would he have been like just doing entry-level Marvel stuff? I don't know. Don't you think like, I honestly think Leo had the career that River Phoenix I thought was going to have? And I do think that like even though Leo is a few years younger, obviously, I do think that Leo's career opened up because there was this vacuum from River Phoenix's access.

Right. And he would have, he would have done, I think the same thing where he would have worked with good directors and tried to coasters. Anyway, 1992. Yeah. I wrote down it's truly insane how prescient this movie is

these two quotes from Cosmo there's a war out there old friend a world war and it's not about who's got the most bullets it's about

who controls the information right there's one the world isn't run by weapons anymore energy or money it's run by little ones and zeros

little bits of data it's all just electrons in 1992 this was flying over my head You asked what this is the first CyberCaper movie. This feels to me like one of the first Silicon Valley movies. Like this is such a Bay Area movie.

I grew up in the Bay Area. And it's not just a San Francisco movie. It's a Bay Area movie. We're going to Palo Alto. We're going across the Dunbarton Bridge. We're doing all this stuff. And Cosmo as this precursor for what the emotionally stunted men of Silicon Valley will do and control in the future, it makes sneakers eternally relevant. So you're saying like Bezos?

might have had this ponytail look that Cosmo had at some point. He wish he had that ponytail. It's like someone now who's saying like really heavy shit about AI. I remember I watched this movie. I was 13. And I didn't really follow what Cosmo was saying. But I'm like, oh, this is important and kind of scary. Yeah.

But, you know, it's 1992. I'm like, holy shit, look what the dream team's doing to Angola. This is great. My focus was elsewhere. Yeah. Well, it's funny because it's like war. I'll just spoil it now. War Games was my double feature for this.

Yeah. Oh, great. I love it. Yeah. I watched it last night, actually. And War Games had the very, oh, nice. Yeah. War games had a very similar, like, it catches some moment before it became a moment.

Like, nuclear war didn't really, like, I would say 80, the day after when that TV movie happened. Right, right. When we really had a Cold War Panic in the 80s, war games was early on it and kind of saw it coming. And then the way it used computers, it just was ahead of its time, but it did way better than Sneakers did. I rewatched it last night because. because it's the origin story for this movie. Because the screenwriters found, in researching war games, went to conventions, found out about the phone freakers, the, the cyber caper, the black hatters.

And so I was like, oh, curious to see. There's so much sneakers DNA in war games. Some of the sort of like, we're all crowded around a monitor moments feel so similar. The score is doing, even though it's a different composer, the score is doing similar things. But the way that War Games starts is you have John Spencer and Michael Madsen as two like nuclear missile silo workers going in for a day at work. And there's in the elevator talking about like how John Spencer once knew a woman who grew weed. And there's having this random has nothing to do with what's going to happen conversation. And it's like so many conversations in sneakers where Dan Aykroyd mother gets on and is just like cattle mutilations are up.

You know, like just like the like the little conversations that they have. in the midst of these various heists is something that these guys love to put in and it makes these characters feel so real and these relationships feel so real. These are people who just know each other are irritated by each other but also show up for each other.

I love that. Were you a war games guy, Kyle? I was, yeah, a big war games guy. I loved it. And I think that Jonah makes a pressure point, which is, I think there are certain movies in the early 90s that are so excited about being a 90s movie.

Like, they're so, they're like, welcome to the 90s motherfuckers. Like, I remember Remember when, like, remember the movie Grand Canyon came out? Yeah. It's like, in the 80s, they brought you the big chill. Welcome to the 90s. That was the actual tagline.

And I think to the war games point, I think when we hit the 90s, everyone was a little nuked out. Like, we've done a lot of nuke stuff and nuke movies. Now it's not the nukes. He's literally saying it's the computers and like, wow, the 90s are so cool. That's how I felt when I was a kid. I think that's a good point. I love that.

Grand Canyon. Flawed movie. Oh, yeah. kind of enjoyable. See, Martin gets shot and foams at the mouth. It's very strange and upsetting. Weird, weird movie. Really strange movie.

This is also, we got to get a crew movie. Well, they have to go. Well, but I mean, like World War II, like we got to find people who can solve stuff. I like the idea of people who break into stuff to teach people how to avoid being broken into. Yeah. Has that happened? That must have happened in a TV show, right? There must be some CBS show that my dad watches that has that premise.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. But this is a real thing. And the thing that about this movie, another thing about this movie is it's not universally beloved, but like the cybersecurity world loves sneakers. They're like, sneakers got it right, man. They get it.

Yeah. It was like way more thinking versus like black hat. Right. So Redford's the leader, Martin Bishop. Yep. Poitier. I always mess up his name. It's in my speech impediment.

Poitier. Poitier. It's in my speech dyslexia. and von daum, Bill. It's all right. We all have our... It's fine. It's okay.

He's had a security. Yep. Ackroyd. Weird that he was in this movie in 92, but it's right as he's shifting into... He's not leading movies the same way anymore. He's now moving. Like, he's in Tommy Boy a couple years later.

He's in My Girl. He's starting to hit, like... Cone heads. Did you see him your research that he was insisting that he play Cosmo? And they were like, We got Ben Kingsley to do that. Yeah, you're good, Dan. We want you to play a mother.

I don't see him as that. No, he's a tech specialist. Yeah. River Phoenix is Carl, who's... Just like the new kid. It's like a good guy. Like young energy off the bench? He's basically...

He'll do the crazy shit there too. He's like a... He'll bound special teams. He'll be the gunner. He'll get the plans in the building for you. He will... He's basically Broderick's character in war games, right? They caught him hacking into the...

Oakland City school system to change his grades. And then Whistler, played by my guy, David Straitharn. Talk about it. Stratharne. Stratharne. Strathern. Strathern. Strathern.

Strathern. Strathern's really an all-time regard from you. How do you say it? Stratharne, I think. I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say it. I thought it was Strathern. Joanna, you think it's Stratharne? I'm going to call him straight-harn.

Either way, it's better than what Bill said. Possibly, yes. He's a blind guy with super hearing. Yeah. Yes. All those people you just mentioned, Oscar winners are Oscar nominated. Talk about it.

Incredible. He was in like some really great smaller parts. Like the firm, he's awesome. Eight men out. He's the pitcher who can't decide whether he should cheat or not. But he just, he'd pop up in these movies every couple of years. And you're like, I love this guy.

But it never really, he never became like a guy. His moment. Yeah. His moment is good at a star. Can I give you two parts? Two parts to stand out. All right. He plays an unbelievably disturbing, terrible character in Dolores Claiborne for Kathy Bates.

Unwatchable character. Also, incredible arc in the Sopranos. When Carmen Tony break up, she sleeps with him. Yeah, Joanna's never seen it. He's like the counselor at the school and they fight. And he has an all-time one-liner that I would not say right now. But I love that character. Yeah.

River runs through it. Medawain with Mary MacDonald and James Earl Jones. a movie that I really, really love. Did really good work. A John Sales guy. And then Mary McDonnell, who's red-hot right now from Dates with Wolves. So the word on the street is that you do not like Mary. I do like her.

I didn't, I don't, she got trapped with bad parts for two years. I always thought she was better than the parts. The Blue Chips character is like, I don't even, are you with Nick Dulte or not? Like, what's going on there? Grand Canyon, that movie's just super weird. This, I think she's great in this movie. She classes up this movie. She's so good in this movie.

She's really good. And it's a nothing part. I don't even know, like, you can't even describe five things about that character, but she makes it work. Something I love about, you know, like I said, they worked on this movie for 10 years. Something I love about the evolution of this movie is that originally Liz was like someone who worked in a bank that they meet, like, over the course of the movie. Turning her into Bishop's X, so you have that sort of like comedy plot of remarriage, like, let's, we really want these people to get back together energy. and everyone already knows her, so you don't have to spend a lot of time,

like, who is this girl? Why do we care about her? You want Bishop, you want the two of them to get back together. There's personal stakes on this whole operation, right? Because he's like, if I get my name back, maybe we can be together. Great stuff. Same thing in Blue Chips, by the way.

Exact same relationship with Nick Nolte. And then everyone in the group loves her. Like, all of the sneakers love her. You got to love her. She's great. You know who didn't really love? the crew. A little early step on,

Roger Ebert. Oh, unsurprising. I love this movie. Come on. Redford's team, yet another version of the World War II platoon that always had won everything.

He lists all the people. There's not enough useful dialogue to go around for such a large team. And sometimes characters feel like they've been pushed on stage for obligatory scenes that are not really necessary. It's a borderline,

fuck you, Raj. I'm not going to like, go full tilt, fuck you, Raj. But it's, I did think about it. I get out of here, with that terrible take. Talk to me about the outthinking version of hacking.

Scrabble pieces. What were some of your favorite like scotch tape hacking basically? The scrabble sequence is excellent in this. I do have one bone to pick with it. I'm a Scrabble guy. It really, really bothers me that they're in the middle of a game

and Bish just picks it up and dumps over the board. And they're not like, what the fuck, Bish? I had triple word score. What do you do? I guarantee he was getting his Oh, he was losing. It really bothers.

He was definitely losing. You can't do that. Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah. You're... Houston together sounds. Yeah.

That's... Would you hear? Did it sound like... That seems amazing. My voice is my passport. Verify me. That whole sequence is... Whistler guessing the intermachine thing

with the black box. It's just a lot of like... Yeah. Let's go to Craig without him stepping on the take of the movie. When you see these movies... as a post-internet child that try to explain the internet

but it's like 1992 and hacking and all this stuff. What is your reaction as a younger person? Well, this movie reminded me the most of is it disclosure? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Sure.

When he's got the goggles on, he's like, it's all out there and everything's around him. Look, I think unfortunately the movies that tried to do this in the 90s, they didn't know where things were going. It was like so new and I think they thought they were getting ahead of it.

and it's just naturally one of those things that is impossible to age well. You know? It's tough. Might be a foreshadowing. Can I just say, I've only been on a handful. I've only been on a handful of rewatchables, but you can tell when you walk in the room

and you look at Craig's face what Craig thinks of the movie. Well, you guys shouldn't ask me before what I thought. Yeah, that's true. I don't know why I try to feel you out. Hey, Horlbeck, you know what, age as well? Characters and writing,

and who cares about the goddamn computers all the time. We'll get to that. We'll get to the character. All right, good. I wasn't leaving them out. One last elite mainstream run for Redford. We should mention this because this is Robert Redford Month.

Sneakers, directs River runs through it, indecent proposal, directs quiz show, up close and personal with Michelle Pfeiffer, and then his Sundance is taking off. And this is off from like 92 to 96. So it's his third straight decade for him where he's just in the mix in a real way.

That's so interesting to me because, like, this is a, so he has out of Africa in 85, and then he makes two terrible movies. Like this, he hasn't made a good movie, acted in a good movie since 85 when he makes this movie. Right. And so there's a way in which Redford kind of needs this movie. Oh, yeah.

Right? He needs his last run. It's almost like an athlete. Wash the taste of legal eagles in Havana out of your mouth, right? And so he makes this movie. I'm not a huge fan of up close and personal. and a indecent proposal. But those are two movies where Redford's like,

these are the I Still Got It movies. Yeah. Right? With a much younger co-star, Mary McDonald's at least like only about 15 years younger than him in this movie. So he's got those two like I Still Got It movies. And then he's firmly into Old Man Redford territory. Up close and personal, I'll defend because my queen and Michelle Fifer's in it.

And that's really, I have no other reason. It's a terrible movie. And she looks great. And she's a broadcaster. It's awesome. It's the original morning show. Do you think you love morning show because you? you love up close and personal.

I love to hate watch morning show. Okay. It's never been worse. I feel like you a One Fine Day guy as well? It's not very good. But I watch it. One Fine Day is great. Yeah. Listen, Pfeiffer in the 90s.

Including? I mean, my number one is to Jillian on her 37th birthday. Right. Which is a movie, no plot whatsoever. The most rewatchable movie that has ever happened. And she's the hottest ghost that ever lived. Yeah, what a run for her. Anyway, Redford is 56.

Yeah. In sneakers. I have some thoughts about that in later categories. Meanwhile, Ben Kingsley, this is his 90s supporting guy run. Bugsie, sneakers, Dave, Bobby Fisher, Schindler's List, and Species all in like four years. They were like, all right, we got to give you this, sir.

This is too many, too many rewatchable movies. What are your Ben Kingsley's thoughts, Kyle? Well, also like Stratharine, or however you say it, memorable sopranos run for me. A crazy episode with Hollywood Maltesante. I love that. Obviously, all this stuff that he had done. I just remember, like, when he started going by Sir, I was like, oh, shit, he's a Sir now. Like that he's one of the people that the Sir really seem to suit them.

Some of these people with the Sirs, I'm not feeling it. Sir Ben is, it works for him. Like Sir Marshawn Lynch maybe doesn't work the same way. I can't do that. I can't do Sir Sir. Beast mode. No, but like Sir Ben Kingsley, yes. I don't like when people get the sirs. I feel like I have nothing in common of them anymore.

They're like, we think of midnight. Isn't it like the British Walk of Stars? Over here. Do you know Michael, Michael Sheen, the actor Michael Sheen gave his back? Because he's Welsh and he believes strongly that in like sort of Welsh in him. And so he gave his. Rejected the sir. He received it and then he returned it.

Because he said he did some research into. I don't know how many people have returned it, but he returned his. I don't like Sir either, but for some reason I love Dame. Like Dame Judy Dench all day long. Dame is great. I love a day. It's such a good point. Dame is great.

Sir is terrible. We need it in America. We need our version of this though where people just get some weird title. I think it's the verified blue check on Twitter. That's what we do now. Absolutely not. Directed and co-written by Phil Adam Robinson, who did Field of Dreams. One of my favorite movies in college.

This is how he spends his Field of Dreams, blank check, getting sneakers spent. How about that? What's interesting is, I was like, what happened? Why didn't he make more movies? Because this guy was clearly good at making movies and putting movies together and getting good performance of characters. Yeah, he's good in that. Or that movies, like, that's a well-directed, well-done movie. He went kind of serious.

Like, he was directing documentaries for Nightline. Like, he just kind of moved away from making movies full time. He started his documentary. Like, he was in, during the Vietnam War, he was a military documentary from, Soulmaker. Then he's, you know, he writes all of me, he directs the field of dreams, he does this, he does some old affairs. And now he's back in like he was a leader, in leadership at the Writers Guild of America and at the Motion Picture Academy. So he's sort of like a like a Hollywood statesman at this point. It's not surprising. Real life,

Marty. So how to call it. A higher calling. Some of the stuff in this movie is, have you handed? You mentioned the post-Cold War victory that lap. There's just straight shots across the bow to the Republican Party. Yeah. At the end of the movie, we go from the really great sequence of the blind guy driving the car and all the sudden he's up there preaching about information and all, like, you can tell the director was liking this stuff. And good for him.

It was a great movie. Yeah, he might have had a couple settled down moments with the producers. Maybe so. Yeah, Phil. Fiskele of Dreams. I think you get to do whatever you want to do. He really did. I still don't understand what happened all the cars when they showed up at the end of dreams.

No parts. Thousands of cars. Yeah. At some point it's just their traffic jam. You just got to mow down someone else's fields in order to make a parking lot. It's kind of the same thing as this movie. When they all, there's like a hundred guards that storm the building at the end. And then they just all disappear.

Same like the same with the cars. Just kind of go away. 23 million dollar budget made 105.5.2 million dollars. Globally. Pretty good. All day long. It's okay. Only $50 million domestically.

And you mentioned Shawshake Redemption, which I think is a great comp. I wish this had had the like lives forever on T and. Saturday morning sort of life that Shawshank had. You know part of the problem was it was a little too long and it wasn't Shawshank. Yeah, it's not as good as Shoshank Redemption. If this is an hour 40, it's on T&T and TBS for 20 straight years. I think the other issue, and this is something that Phil Alderman Robinson did is that he put, language, well, you can edit language for cable, that's fine, but this is, this is such

a weird spot of a movie, right? It's a dad movie is what it is. And I love a dad movie. I love a tin cup. I love a Field of Dreams. I love this movie, right? I love the whole everything. Craig doesn't.

But, but, uh, well, Craig just looks so wounded when you said that. I love Field of Dreams. You're talking about tin cup? I like tin cup. Um, it's all right. But like, this isn't, this is, but there's not, there's a little bit of action.

There's not a ton of action. Yeah. And you said there's some sex. I mean, there's not really any sex in this movie. You know what I mean? And so it's like, is this. There's a lot of weird groaning off camera. But it's too, but it's too, like,

like smart or however you want to categorize it for kids to love it. You know what I mean? Early teen, you know, you and I, Cal were like early. So you would throw more sex in it? I'm saying it's a weird sweet spot. Is it for kids? Is it for adults? Like, who is it for? It's for me. You know what I think it is, John? I think, I think this movie is an on the screws perfect PG-13 movie. It's why that rating exists. And they should. They get it. Yeah. Yeah. But I think then it becomes hard to pitch. Like, I wouldn't show this to kids. But then some adults are like, well, this isn't

action heavy enough for me or this isn't, you know, this movie is? It's just a good hang. It's such a good hang. Yes, it's kind of having it on. And I think a big piece of this is the score that we didn't really talk about. James Horner. Which, I have some stuff later.

I had no idea how revered the score was by people. Oh, did you read the Bertel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we'll hit that in the second. Roger Ebert, two and a half stars. Yeah, whatever. Could have been worse. One of the weaknesses of the movie

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I love those actors. I had that. I knew you would. It is great. He's great. And young Kingsley looks like him. If we put it on a scale of if young Tommy and Goodfellas is a 10, like the best one that's ever been done. Yeah.

These guys are like seven, fives, or eights. I completely buy that it's them. I had Redford as like a nine. Yeah. He looks like electric horseman Redford. He's got like the big hair and the mustache. That's Michael from Twin Peaks. Like he's a guy I know, but you put that like sort of hand that like handle our mustache on him.

And I was just like that's right. And he got the intonation. Perfect. I thought Kingsley was like a five and a half. Well, we- I thought he was good. We're going to have to spend a lot of time talking about Kingsley's accent in this movie. And I feel like probably the young guy doing.

whatever it is that Kingsley was doing was sort of distracted by that assignment. Okay, okay, I'm into that. Most of the watch was seeing the bad guys find Marty, allegedly an essay agents, one of them's Timothy Busfield. Yep.

He was having a little run here. He was in Field of Dreams. I think 30-something might still be on at this point. Yeah. Oh, it is. He had shed Revenge of the Nerds. I felt like at this point, you weren't looking at him

and just thinking of him playing the bass. What was that, electric guitar? What did he play? But I keep waiting for the nerds pod. I just don't know if we're responsible enough to do it. It's got some problem. It's got some deep problems. We almost did it.

We can't. The movie does not exist on the internet. You can't find it. We were going to do it when House was here. The movie's just, it doesn't exist. It's been white. Anthony Edwards uses the air money. Bought it off.

Where it doesn't exist anymore. Dumbullum. Lamba, lamb, those are my guys. It's Timothy Busfield and Eddie Jones, who is a great, I love Eddie Jones. He played Paw Kent on Lois and Clark. So I always think of him as Paw Kent when I see him. But he's so, they're such great assholes in this movie. Yeah.

Trying to get the math guy's password while, well, this Czech lady's seducing him is just kind of funny. But I like the next thing. I mean, laugh out loud at Carl saying, I wish you think I could take a look. I mean, he wants to see, this is 92. You can't get internet porn or all that. He's like, wow.

It's so sad for nudity. So funny. But then Poet is like, grow up and then he's like, let me see. Yeah. But the next scene's better when Marty gets caught her in the office with the Czech lady. That's a really good scene.

And the little earpieces, I was wondering when people have earpieces like that, you can't tell when you're just talking to them. Like, if Joanna had an earpiece right now with somebody talking into it, I wouldn't be able to hear that or no. It depends on how slick your tech is, and I don't know how 92 speakers

tech is. If it's the 80s, that woman's top list for sure. Oh, in 1983? Yeah. That's hard. That's like an actual sex scene. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In 90s, we were just better people. The Clinton administration was coming. Yeah. Clinton really cleaned everything up.

We had a lot of hope in 92. The things were going to be better. Clinton is Carl wanting to see in the camera. That's what he is. The Czech lady, I'm not positive what's going on there, and it's pretty silly. But I enjoy it. I love her. She's also in field.

of Dreams. She's in almost every Phil Linden Robinson movie. Yeah. Well, she was the crazy book burning lady in Field of Dreams, right? Yeah. She's in Some of All Fears. And then there's like an Easter egg in Some of All Fears. Her character's name in this movie gets like mentioned in Some of All Fears.

It's the... I think Joanna's really auditioning for The Sum of All Fares. This is what I'm taking away. You're all over. What I'm taking away. Solo pot. I just think it's fascinating that Phil Alton Robinson's like, she's my girl. I'm going to put her in all of my movies. of her.

They cracked the code for Setech astronomy, Cetech astronomy, whatever it was. Yeah. Rat Seam and Cooties. Yep. All right. The Ben Kingsley Cosmo reveal. So Marty has no idea this is coming.

I guess not. You never thought about this? Like, oh, the guy died in prison. I'm just going to accept that explanation. I think he hoped he did. I think you can explain that he's so burdened by guilt about this, that he's just sort of like, I hope this is the end of that story.

Is he burdened by guilt? Seems like he kind of moved on. It's like, ah, I was getting some pizza. Fuck that guy. Yeah, I don't think he tried to help him at anything. I think he's like this wild dog who's out of there. He did it. Not at all.

It's like how Kyle and I felt when Shrags went to ESPN. It's like, hey, Bill, knowing that Peter's going to listen to this, that is not how I felt. How dare you? I will say that that the, the, the, the, Cosmo's a live reveal

is kind of impossible to do when you show the movie to people now because they're like, when has Ben Kingsley getting here? You know what I mean? Like they know Ben Kingsley's in the movie and they're like, where is he? Kyle, what do you think

when characters say things like I might be able to crash the whole damn system? Think about it. No more rich people. No more poor people. Everyone is going to be the same. It's great monologuing. It's great rhetoric.

And then the follow-up by Bish. You haven't gone, Crazy. Have you caused? Exactly right. And he's like, oh, you have. Especially because he's giving that speech, and we got to talk about this later, but like, obviously Cosmo's office is just a fucking revelation. He's giving the speech in some sort of like a Darth Vader back to take chamber. I don't even know what they're sitting on. What is that? Yeah. Wow. I think that's where he goes. It's like out of Austin Powers. No one watching him or something like that. But, yeah, an evil lair is definitely what that is.

It's like I'm thinking about being evil there. It's not even an evil layer. That's in my unanswerable questions is what is Casas plan exactly? Well, yeah. Here's the thing with Redford in that scene and what you just said about him being like, Redford was a really good like counterpuncher reactor, playoff somebody who's like doing something bigger than he is and just having these little, you know, like being confused or,

kind of staring somebody down. I was thought that was one of his best skills. I don't even know how to describe. I don't know other people even do that. I think it's incredibly insightful. And that is this movie. He's the straight man surrounded by these eccentric characters who are blind or funny or conspiracy theories. There's this little thing he does, exactly what you're saying, when Cosmos says, oh, it's good to see you.

They cut to Redford. And he kind of does this look that says, I'm not sure it's good to see you. Right. Like, it's such good acting. He's so underrated for it. You know what he is? a Hall of Fame eye narrower. Oh, a squinter?

When his eyes narrow, you know, he's like, the wheels are turning. He's thinking. That's his thinking face. Or he does the, he listens to somebody. Oh, the Golden Retriever head tilt? There's a pause. You know what it is?

Then he has an answer? You know, that gift of guy goes like, like that who like changes his eyes? Yeah. Like Redford does that all the way to the Hall of Fame. He's great at it. I think, I think the Cosmobile is really interesting.

I think that scene is really interesting. I think that monologue is absolutely bananas. I do think it's interesting that you say that Redford is straight man. He is a straight man in this movie, but he gets so many jokes. Like, he gets so many jokes off in this movie too. Counterpuncher. The problems always get worse. Why is that?

I should do this in a Kingsley accent, but I'm not going to. Good luck. Which one? Yeah, because he's... Disaster. The way he says disaster? It is... Bazaar.

Because money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it. The question is, is this movie... Predicting in the 2020s? Is this movie in favor what these guys were doing in the 60s? Or is it, you know, this is the conversation we're having about one battle after another. What does it say about these revolutionaries of what they become in one battle after, in, like, in modern day, one battle after another? And what does it say about Cosmo who's like, in the 60s is like, let's fuck over Richard Nixon?

And then the 90s, you're like, the movie thinks he's crazy. But what he's preaching is financial equity. I don't really understand exactly what the movie wants us to think about that. Thank you for bringing this up. I think bringing the PTA movie is smart, bringing that in. So this is like 45, almost 50 years of that theme, which is basically like my mom and dad. Like, they're in college and it's like, we're going to change the world. And then, you know, 10 years later, it's like,

wait, what are we going to do now? Like, this kind of sucks. That's been like, people try to change the world. They get older and you either keep that passion or you don't. And in Kingsley's case, he keeps the passion, but in like the craziest, darkest way possible. It's almost like a comic book would be Kyle. They have a moment where Carl pulls him aside and says,

I just don't understand. Why were you taking all these chances? And he's like, well, there was a war going on. Well, we just wanted to meet girls. Carl is like speaking for the younger people in that scene. and then he's speaking for my parents. It's a cool little moment. This is like the big show.

This is the first movie that really was just like, this is about this theme. What happens when you get older? And you can't change the world anymore. What do you do then? And Kevin Klein's character is like, you know what's cool? Money. I have a shoe store.

You buy a lot of stuff. Yeah, I have a really cool house. Have you seen my house? Buy stuff that'll make it better. All right. Just spoiler. This is my most rewatchable scene. Okay.

When they figure out where Marty got taken. Yeah. The cocktail party scene. This whole thing, figuring out the sounds. That's it. And Whistler just like on his little thing. Does it sound like this? I just think that's a riveting five minutes.

I'm proud of you because there's a skeptics reaction to that scene. It's, oh, fucking, come on. You're not going to hear what the sound of the highway is when you're unconscious in the back of a trunk. He's like, well, the seams of the concrete. I like the scene, too. Strithaeran or whatever his name is, carries it beautifully. Straighty. But there's a lot of people are like, that's bullshit.

Really? There's people out there's if they're detractors? Yeah, you wouldn't believe that, but there are, yes. It's unlikely, but it does work. They stole it for Taken, too. They don't believe that David's Ruther knows that Whistler has memorized the seam allowance between the concrete on the Dunbarton Bridge. Well, also that Barty, who probably has a concussion and or CTE from the hit he took,

is going to be in a trunk like, all right, I'm memorizing that sound and now that sound. I mean, you're probably in the car like, ah, my head. This is a, there's a nitpick about this scene, and then I have a well actually to the nitpick, right? Because in that scene, they say there are four Bay Area bridges, right? Sure. They're actually five. Oh, is this a San Francisco nitpick? Yeah.

Wow. Joe was really like bringing it to me. I have a well actually. There's five because they mentioned the Golden Gate, the Bay, the Dunbarton and San Mateo. There's the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge. But if you're coming from San Francisco, which is the origin, I believe, then there's only four. that matter. But a lot of people will say, well, actually, they didn't mention the Richard and Samfell Bridge. And I'm like, why would you talk about it if you're starting in San Francisco?

I've never seen Kyle more riveted by anything. Originally, we thought there was another bridge and that Brock Purdy was a bridge quarterback, but it turns out he's the real deal. NFL joke. NFL joke. I will say the Bay Area. Craig loved it. The Bay Area and me, the biggest, it's actually one of my favorite parts of the movie because I get excited every time it comes up.

And it's the way that Canadian Dan Aykroyd pronounces the Dunbaran Bridge. He says Dunbarton in a really weird way that if you grew up listening to the traffic reports in the Bay Area, you're like, why would you ever say it like that? It's like me saying Straytharn. Yeah, Dumbarton. Strait. We're now calling David Strathar and Michael Strayhan.

It's come to that. The society we live in. I really like that scene. Two Mark Kingsley figures it out and he's on the intercom. I like when bad guys are on an. intercom in a building. Joanna, you must come out now.

You're saying that, like you don't do that every day at the Mateo office. I should start coming downtown and just go in the intercom. Hello, ringer. There's also that where he's like, she's lovely, Marty. And then they go and they show Mary McDonald's.

You're like, oh shit, you got them. Let's go, cause. I have a very short, rewatchable scene that I'm going to talk about later now for this. That's just for me that I was fascinated by and I videotaped I'm going to show you later. And then finally,

a James Earl Jones cameo. Oh, what a great scene. During, like, peak James Earl Jones. I mean, Apex Mountain of James Earl Jones, Field of Dreams, Sandlot, this movie. Like, he would pop up. It was like fucking being handed a hot-fudge Sunday. Two of our...

It's like, oh, thank you. Two of our ringer pals are like a perfect example what I was talking about the beginning about what this movie can be. Because when I told Van that we were... I was like, oh, I'm doing we're watching this morning. He's like, what are you doing? Fans jealous.

And I was like, sneakers, he gasped. Yeah, he was so excited, right? And, but our pal Rob Mahoney had not seen sneakers. He went to go see it in rep last week for the first time he had never seen it. Because he was like, Joanna's obsessed with him. I'm going to go see it. It's in rep. You bullied everybody.

She's bullying ringer staffers left and right. What I do best. And he's like, it played so well. He was like, the way the crowd lost it when James Earl Jones showed up at the end of this movie. I was like, yeah. Such a good video. I feel every time I watch it, Bill, it's like, all right, the crazy heist that happened. They get back.

Now let's just roll the credits. And then it's like glass breaks. Oh shit. It's James Earl Jones music. What is he doing here? And he comes in like firing. He's doing like when Bish is like, come on one day. He goes, no.

He sounds like Darth Vader. He's so good. I'm trying to think who is James Earl Jones now? Like who could just pop into a movie out of nowhere with eight minutes left and you're just like, oh my God, this guy. I don't even think that person. I hate to say like another old black guy, but Morgan Freeman has the voice and everybody loves them.

And like there's some of that going on a little bit. But it's not like James Earl Jones. Yeah. There was like, it's funny because I just watched Field of Dreams again recently. I don't know if it was like the 85th time or the 70th time or whatever. But I just love him so much in that movie. It's only my favorite.

He's just so great and so happy. Yeah. As soon as he's on the trip. He can be so intimidating too. Right. When when he turns the van around and he, He's standing there in the street goes, Moonlight Graham.

Oh, shit, I just pissed myself. In that scene, in the loft, at the end of it, when he's just like, I'm going to be sick. It makes me so intimidated. It's like he's my grandfather, and I'm like, I did something wrong. He's so great.

That scene is so good. The requests are really funny, Winnebago. Ackberg wants a Winnebago with Burgundy Interior. Oh, that's great. Sid wants to take his wife to Europe. And Tahiti.

Antahidi. Antahidi. Yeah. I'm Carl. I'm married. River Phoenix just wants a phone number from the kind of sneaky hot F-by-F-I, whatever she was.

And then Whistler wants peace on earth and goodwill toward men. And then James Earl Jones says, none of this happened. With the U.S. government, we don't do that. Just box doesn't exist. Simbaugh, you deliberately disobeyed me. It's the best.

So what do you have for most rewatchable, Kyle? I think the entire Warner Brandes sequence is fucking awesome. From the time they identify his office next to Cosmos, the garbage, the 180IQ, the scene in the restaurant, we're trying to check off the thing. But that's a sequence. If I'm answering the question, honestly, Bill, I mean, it's got to be the final heist and the fortress and, like, the walking across and that stuff of that shit, all in the

middle of that. Joe? I think the answer is the cocktail party scene, but I also want to add the, like, that the scrabble tile sequence, how. happens at the same time as like Whistler and Carl and Mother are messing around with the box. You know what I mean? Like you're doing two things at once in a scene. I think, you know, and figuring out what it can do.

That tension. So they're like trying to figure out the James Horner score is going crazy in that sequence. Piano are like being tossed off of cliffs and stuff like that. I just think that that's such a smart economy. It's so hard to make hacking look interesting. Yeah. Because you're just sitting in front of a monitor. Most movies fail.

know what can make it more interesting? A scrabble game. Some scrabble tiles on top of that. What's the most 1992 thing about this movie? Is it Robert Redford's light wash, straight leg, dad jeans? I had Redford's baseball jacket because it's the same jacket from the natural. Is that the exact same coat, right? I was like that looks like the jacket from the natural.

And then I googled it. It's not the exact same one. It's the exact same jacket. That's great. That's what it said on the internet My half-ass internet research. I know. That's a power move.

My whole ass internet research found out that it's not the same jacket. But it looks the same. Like, definitely? Definitely. But he goes... Is it more fun if it is the same jacket? Let's just pretend that it was.

Well, here's my question. Here's my question. He goes to Union College, I think is the name of the college that he in Cosmo go to and that's the college from the way we were. Yeah. And then Martin Bishop is a name

from Three Days of the Condor. Yeah. And then the church, jacket is like meant to look like the jacket from the natural. So is this just like Robert Redford fan fiction? Like is this just like let's a Robert for the jacket. Maybe the internet information's wrong. It's not the exact same jacket, but it's very close.

It's intimidated to have Joanna on the rewatchable. It's just like nailing everything. Yeah, she just, nailing everything. I didn't realize we were doing a whole ass internet research. I thought it was half ass. Mary McDonald's hair, which is feathered to hell, very 1992. She looks amazing. Bay Area, 1999

things. First of all, they're in the Fox Theater. That's where they're, it's an Oakland theater. It's a usable venue, but that's where their layer is. So,

so 1992, the idea that these guys, who a woman at the beginning of the movie says, not a very good living that you make, could afford that, that place in the Bay Area, 1992. The fact that they find street parking

on Spears Street when they do the handoff under the Bay Bridge, 1992. It's a different Bay Area. Wow, this is hardcore. I just had basic stuff. How about that lady who says that about not a good living? What an asshole.

Was that totally necessary? Hey, you know, like, you worked the counter at a bank. What are you casting judgment about? I hate that lady. I had the computer hacker graphics and manipulating a dating service for some sort of kind of capery type thing. Because now, now do you be manipulating what? What would it be now, Craig? Tinder?

Yeah. You could still use a dating service. Bumble or hinge or something? Sure. Bumble. Yeah. And it's not even internet dating, it's computer dating. Right.

He's a computer dating heyday for movies. It could possibly Apex Mountain because Singles has a whole plot around it. Sure. And then see a love with Pacino. They do the phone service dating thing. Yeah. Yeah. This is why Craig didn't resonate with this movie.

He didn't understand the date. Zuckerberg saw this and was like, I'm going to come up with Facebook. Yeah, I got to come up a better. I actually have that in what's age the worst. when Ben Kingsley's, when Cosmo says a computer matched him with her, I don't think so. I'm like, actually, bad matches happen all the time by dating stuff. That's why he's Sir Ben Kingsley. He lives above.

He doesn't need to use a dating service. Most 1992 thing hiding something in an answering machine? Hmm. I mean, I had a major plot point about an answering machine. Another one about a car phone. But my answer was in the actual Siskel and Eber episode where they did the TV show in this, Gene Siskel introduces the movie by

saying, starring Robert Redford, Sidney Poitier, and Timothy Busfield from 30-something. Holy shit. He jumped over Dan Aykroyd who was in Ghostbusters and Mary McDonald's and Dancing with Whips. And the producer's like, no, Gene, trust me, 30-something's big. You got to make sure you get Busfield.

Wow, that's stunning. Got a stump for Busfield. I had one more. The movie ends with a national news report announcing the sudden bankruptcy of the Republican National Committee. and that simultaneous large donations were made to amnesty international Greenpeace and the United Negro College Fund. It just felt very 92 to me, that they picked those charities.

And then we did it. We had a national news thing. What's age the best? All the Republican barbs are pretty interesting in the 2025 context. Like pure sucker punches right to the bridge of the nose. And I don't remember there being any conversation about it. Like now that would there be picketing and there'd be James. James Woods tweets and everyone would lose their minds.

I don't know. It is funny because this movie comes out right as everybody was really turning on the Republicans in 92 and Clinton was rising and the election's about to happen. There's that George H.W. Bush dig, right? Where the homeless man's like, they're taking my home and he's like, ask him.

And he points to a Bush poster. Yeah. I'm telling him, in college it happened fast. Yeah. It was going great for Bush. And then all of a sudden people like, he's out. Clinton's in. We're like, okay. The guy doesn't like one stem of broccoli and it's all over. What do you have for what's age the best? I would say information age paranoia and emotionally stunted men in Silicon Valley trying to run or ruin the world.

I got one bill that I know is a specialty of yours. We talked about this in the Robocop pod. Screenwriting hack, if you want to make a character loathsome and give your hero a great line, name the loathsome character dick. And it allows Bishop to say, oh, I can't tell you what a relief thing. that is, pause, dick. It's so good every single time. Breakfast Club does it. Robocop does it.

Sneakers does it. It always hits. When we read our 80s action movie, we'll have somebody would be named Dick. We'll do that. I have, speaking of that of tropes, any movie like this where something happens with one of the heroes and like he falls, stumbles,

whatever, and he says, we're getting too old for this. Oh, the boss. I think... I don't know how many movies that sentence has been said in, but it's over 30. The way that he just like biffs over that counter is so funny. Do you think that was intentional? It's hilarious. It looks like it.

I think the way that Poitier just doesn't react means it's a stunt, because he just keeps running. But like, it's a good stunt. You can't have you get injured on that shit. It is really funny, though. Yeah, it's really funny. What's age the best? Dan Aykroyd is a kooky conspiracy theorist person because I think he is in real life.

He definitely is. I love all the behind-the-scenes stuff. He goes, oh, I base this on my brother. This is my brother. I got all of this from my brother. Because they added all of that conspiracy theory stuff to the character while they were making the movie. They, like, didn't really have a full character for mother.

And so they added all that stuff, I think, to make Dan Aykroyd feel better about the fact that he wasn't playing Cosmo. And they're like, we'll give you this runner about conspiracy theory stuff. And so in all the behind the scene stuff, he's like, oh, yeah, this is just my brother. And I'm like, Dan, it's you actually. I think this is just you. Now you think the NSA killed Kellanine Kennedy? No, they shot him, but they didn't kill him.

He's still alive? It's so good. When he says he got this for his friend in Desert Storm, but he's on the other side. That kills me every time. I can't blame a sibling for all my conspiracy theories. I just have to own them myself. I don't.

I love conspiracy bill, though. For what age the best? I really like Marty's old orange Porsche is... That's my what I want. It's not a... Do you want me to tell you that it's not a Porsche? It's probably a fake Porsche. What is it?

No, it's a VW. Oh, okay. I thought one of mine had wanted the... jacket because he wore the same jacket in both movies. I would think the jacket. I thought that was like an early 60s. It's a 1967 Volkswagen, Carmen Gia convertible. And it's the same car that Brad Pitt drives in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Brad Pitt drives the light blue one. I found that on the same. They never showed the back of it, at least for what I could tell. So I thought it was a portion. I found that on the same in-depth blog post where they said it's definitely not the same letterman jacket from a natural. And I'm not going to listen to them. But he goes into, like, the watches that he's wearing and, like, all this.

It's like a very, like, James Bondification of Marty Bishop. What are his jackets? What are his watches? What is the car? What is his car phone? I like the I will not shoot my friend. Shoot my friend. Shoot my friend.

Great line. Great bad guy moment. I also like right after that it's, give me the box right now or I will kill you right now. Just good dialogue. I like it. Catchy. There's also so many little unspoken joke moments. like at the very beginning

when Carl has put like dark grease paint on his face in order to sort of debut night stealth mode for the bank heist and then Sidney Poitier just like walks up and looks at him and just like keeps going

it's really good speaking to him motherfucker's best with me I'll split your head all of a sudden it's just out of nowhere yeah they call me Mr. Tibs he was one of the most revered actors we had it was crazy hearing him say that

it's crazy now it's also like kind of a screenwriting hack if you want someone to be instantly unlikable, like some random security guard, make him say a racial slur to Sidney Poitier to turn around for no reason. And then he goes shotgun to the face.

Motherfuck is messed with you. Even mother goes, wow! I think that was just Dan Aykroyd. I don't think that was mother. The last one says the best is a pretty unique one. Nick Bertel wrote this whole slate piece about how great the score was in 2012.

And he was a young composer at that time, not really a name guy. Had you done succession yet. And eventually he ends up doing all the scores for succession, which is like I think one of the most famous scores of this century. He talks about... And now he's doing this...

It's got some stuff coming that I know about that I'm not allowed to say. Tell me later. But he does... But he's like, I would say one of the most famous under 50 composers we have right now for movies and TV. And he talks about how obsessed he is with that James Horner score. And it is such a weird score, right?

Because you've got the... You got the saxophone, which is very 90s, right? And you've got this sort of like smooth saxophone. Marcellus. Yeah, from Marcellus, like really good stuff. Then you've got the like weird, almost like haunted Tim Burton Christmas like, ah, ah, like vocals on there. And then you've got those like pianos off the cliff stuff that they do.

And it's just like such a weird great score on the movie. That would have been a good, what's the most 1992 thing about this movie is the score feels very early 90s to me. But it just feels like, it feels like three. different early 90s scores. Well, Horner is like, he's like the sound of the 90s. He's doing Titanic and Braveheart. Like, that's like, those are just all

Filled a dream. Yeah. Aliens he did. All right. Big Cohoon of Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. So we never see the pizza in the beginning, but I do think it wins the award. Pepperoni Pizza Run. And I do wonder

should he have gone to get the pizza and brought it back with the box? and then Cosmo gets nailed. So we could have seen the pizza. I'm always pro. I just want to see the pizza when somebody's getting pizza in a movie.

We talked so much about does he care or not that Cosmo was arrested. I think he's out there eating the pizza in front of him as he's getting handed away and he's doing the attitude era suck at things.

Like, I think he's doing all that. You got the pizza. He ate the whole fucking thing. Oh, man. Tough. Tough. Tough. Great chat.

Great check order. Award most cinematic shot. Wait, wait, what about the dim sum that Stephen Tobolowski has stuffed in his face? Are you ready for the dim sum bar? That's probably a better answer. Only because we don't get to see the pizza. Yeah.

What did you have for Great Shot Order Award, Kyle? There's so many candidates. This movie has a million. And mine is like a maybe like a 10 seed, but when there's a scene when Redford gets thrown out of the moving car and it's this beautiful shot of Alcatraz behind him as the Sun's rising.

I was like, holy shit. Somebody's cooking there. That's a good one. That was on my list was sunrise on Lombard Street in San Francisco. Because it's so hard to get that shot. Like, you're in the middle of Lombard Street. But I would say the code reflected on Whistler's glasses is like the icon of the movie. Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness or Best Needle Drop is clearly guys singing bad, bad,

Bally, right around in Chinese. I have to say. I just say. They're on Download that on Spotify. Werner Brandis, we have some notes. But your first date move is dim sum and karaoke in Chinatown. I think it's a 10 out of 10.

I think that's a great first date moment. I think there's a case they could have ended up together. That's a hard cut to that guy. She's like, bad is made in the whole day. I laugh every time. It's so good. He's going. What about Ritha Franklin, Chain of Fools?

When Mary McDonald dance with everyone. Yeah. And Dan Ackrod has some. moves. Did you know that? Dan Eckrod's a great dancer? Look at the credit sequence of the great outdoors.

He's incredible. Really good dancer. Great point. I mean, he landed Donna Dixon. I assume he had a lot of talents. Bill, if he's a good dancer, you know what else is he is. Come on.

Number one overall pick. I have another question. In the background of that party, you hear Dillon's everybody must get stoned before he starts saying you just like hear the iconic opening of it. Yeah, do you have to pay for it if you don't hear Dillon's You still have to pay for it, right?

And isn't that hideously expensive? On TV, you can borrow up to seven seconds and movies, I don't think you can. Yeah. I think you have to. I have some questions about that. Chess Rockwell, Brocklander is a word for best character name. It's got to be a blind guy named Whistler. I don't know.

Are we topping that? I think Werner Burner's is really good. I think Guntergenic, Yannick is really good. Gunter Yonik. Donald Logue's character. Whistler Mother Crease. Cosmo. I mean...

Well, Cosmo, a couple of years before Cosmo Kramer. Yeah. Like, he just, they came under the wire. All right, we're taking a break, and then Joanna's got a flex category. All right. This episode is brought to by Pure Michigan. In Grand Rapids, every moment feels like a scene worth replaying. Every riverside stroll, every slow afternoon sipping small batch brews,

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Well, we already did. I actually had two because was there a better title for this movie was going to be one of the ones I picked, but we already covered that. And the only reason I had to, because I was worried this other one is the most obvious one, which is the Matt Damon and Euro Trip Award for Most Unexpected A-list or can be.

To James Earl. To James Earl Jones. Yeah, that's a good one. That's fair. Do you think James Earl Jones knows the words to Scotty doesn't know? And would you like to hear that? Scotty doesn't know. With Sora 2, you can.

That was not an ad for someone. Oh, no. The Butchers' Girlfriend Award. for weak link of the film. I'm going to go last because I'm coming in hot. What do you got, Kyle? All right. I just have no fucking idea how that black box works.

I don't understand. I don't know what it means. I don't understand the technology. It's like, it's a magic box. It's one of these items like the Tesseract or the Sankara stones. We're just like, just go with it. It can hack anything in the world. I don't understand the technology or any of that shit.

And everybody wants it, but I don't get it. I had it in picket nits. It's basically, it's an, encryption breaking chip, but it's magical? How do you have to think about it? mathematically... This definitely does not exist. Deco.

How does it connect? Well, we don't know about it if it does exist. Would we know about it? That's the most important. I don't know if it would be a chip that could solve everything. Seems unrealistic to me. In 1992, I was like, okay, maybe. Uh-huh.

I didn't get it. I still don't get it. All right. I'm coming in way harder than that. I think mine might be the same as yours. It's... Bill, Crowhop in here. It is Ben Kingsley.

But I love him in this movie. But it's not not Ben Kingsley. Who's in a different movie altogether. So I had Ben Kingsley as the weak link. I also have him getting three other categories. The Judd Nelson and New Jack City Award for Actor who's in a completely different movie. He is. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubik Perchage Overacting Award.

Yes. And then a new award, Kyle, just for you. The Stephen Seagall Award for. We should have gotten you a running double. Can we talk about his running? Oh, is this what you take for us? Yeah, I tape this for you guys. He's the anti-red, because Redford's a great movie runner.

Oh, this is awesome. He's the anti-redford. Can you see? The run is tough, yeah. Oh. It's a double run. It's a trot. He does, but then he does it again.

Then he runs over the next thing. It's like he couldn't figure out how to run in loafers or something. What is he doing? How did they not do a second cut? He's like kind of prancing. It's almost like watching somebody run on ice when they have sneakers, like after you win the Stanley Cup. Well, we don't know what the-

Mafia did to him in prison. We don't know what the mafia did to him in prison. He's the least cool bad guy. He's not scary. That's not true at all because he just ran past a tank full of little sharks. I knew Joanne would hate this. No, I don't hate it. I agree with you.

Ben Kingsley is like... His hair, like the weird... It's just like Segal. He's got the pony tail. It's the same year. It's the same run. Actually, Bill, after you showed that video, they're not taking his sir away.

It's gone. Oh, it's over. You never should get sir when you're running like that. I think they're either run fast or walk fast, but you can't like do a job prance. He runs in their ability. He goes, why is it so hot in here? Hey, better question.

What the fuck was that last 10 yards, Cosmo? I, um, when you, when all the actors were interviewed about this movie, they know exactly what this movie is, which is like lighthearted entertainment. movie, right? It's a fun caper movie. Right. And, you know, Ackroy's like, my character is like, my character's the young guy who wants to be like the other

guys, he worships them. And then Ben Kingsley's like, my character has no soul, no emotional core. Marty is his emotional why. Like, he's talking about like he's in Shakespeare. Like, he's on a different project altogether. And he's playing to the rafters. He's not doing the, the movies Kyle and I love. And there's And we even did like a one to ten scale of bad guys in movies. Like Jeremy Irons and Die Hard with a vengeance is a good example.

It's the Hans Gruber scale. I'm the villain, but I'm having fun with this. There's going to be some unintentional comedy for you. I'm really going to chew up the scenery. I don't know what Ben Kingsley's doing in this movie necessarily. When he says, Mardi! On the roof, that's not him having fun and chewing at the scenery. You don't think what he says, I don't know.

What's going on with the moment? What's the subtext when he goes, don't go. Is he in love with him? Yeah. I'm honestly asking that. Absolutely, he is. Honestly, this made me,

I had a whole crisis of Ben Kingsley. Oh, you're like, is Ben Kingsley good? Yeah, I started thinking through other Ben Kingsley's parts and I'm like, you know,

he's really bad in species, but I kind of enjoy how bad he is because I don't think he wants to be in the movie. Yeah. In searching for Bobby Fisher, he's kind of a psychopath. This is, this take is too hot for...

Keep cooking. Don't. Phil, keep cooking because you're right. Come on, baby. He's crazy. Let's go. I want a social clip out of this. It's been Kingsley bad, actually.

Are we sure Ben Kingsley is good? Are we sure he could have gotten served? But I'm with Kyle because... But you missed the Sopranos. He's so fucking good in the Sopranos episode with Christopher that I think he is good. I just think he feels like he has to do something different in each movie

and sometimes the choice doesn't work. He's trying really hard in this movie and everyone else is just having a lot of fun. Your feelings seem hurt. What do you got? Oh, no, my feelings are soaring. I think it's absolutely hilarious that Bill thinks the weak link of this movie is a 10-second period in which Ben Kingsley runs.

And I think it's funny. And I get it. You know, because he's doing the power stride with the remote and that's fine. But there's such a chasm between running and walking. He walks fine. The run is instantly terrible. It's hard to run. But what about different accents?

He never picks an accent. And why does Cosmo have to have an accent? I don't know. No reason. He could have used his natural. He's going to use his natural. What is he? And also, I've heard.

Ben Kingsley do an American accent, he can do it okay. I don't know what choices he's making this movie, but it's very strange. Is that you're gonna take over the world, Marty? And then he's like, well, you step away from the ladder? And I'm like, holy shit. Which one is that, Cosmo? Disaster.

It's like, almost trying like a Bronx accent. Yeah. I don't know. I had for a recasting couch for this. William Hurt. Well, what's funny is that Ben Kingsley is like over 10 years younger than Robert Redford. So it is weird to have them as like old buddies.

trying to look older. Yeah. Like more gray in his hair and stuff like that. John Voight? Doing his coach Bud Kilmer, like, evil guy move? But you don't think that, like, isn't Voight in a completely different movie in varsity blues? Like, Voight would bring the same energy.

I know. Y'all have a good time! It would be the same energy. It would be unhinged energy. I would happily take it. William Hurd, no? I think William Hurd is too normal for what you need in Cosmo. You need a guy who went to prison and, like, lost his marble.

How about it? How about you want someone who lost his marvels? How about Willem Defoe? Yeah. There it is. Willem Defoe? That's a really good one.

That's a great one. Yeah. I mean, instead of him doing Speed 2, I guess that was a little bit later. Anyway, I can't wait for the social clip where we showed Ben Kingsley running multiple times.

Can we put him this goal? Then I'm going to take the retweet logo off and then retweet it and then retweet it again. So I can just keep powering the retweet. That's a pro move. Hit it again. I love it. What stage is the worst?

You mentioned Redford. He was 56 when he made this movie. He's just too old to be in this movie, but I'm fine with it. I'm not arguing. But if he's in the late 60s and this movie is in 1992, that's 23 years. So even if he's like a grad school student and union, you're still in your mid-40s when you're in this movie and he's 56. Something that the screenwriters talked about is that, again, they worked on this from like right after war games to when it came out.

So for 10 years. And they said every time they came back to the screenplay, they just changed Marty's age to their age. Marty was always their age. But they were only like 42 when they made the movie. So like I think Marty's trying, like Redford's trying to go for early 40s. And this failing, but trying.

There's a story though, Kyle. Yeah. From our guy Robinson, the director. He was at Kevin Costner's Oscar Party, the nerdy one with Dancing with Wolves. The CA aging came up to him. They're making sneakers at this point. He's trying to get Bob in the movie.

And he's like, Bob, who? He said, Redford, for what movie? Sneakers. For what role? The lead. And he said, no, no, no. The character's my age. It's a lot younger.

And then he said, all right, just send it to him. I don't want to insult him. He's one of my idols. And then he read it. And when Robert Redford wants to do your movie and you're Phil Autumn Robinson? You say yes.

You say yes. And everyone follows Rob Redford. Like, that's how they get everyone in this movie. That's why there's no casting what ifs for this movie. Yeah, exactly. Because everyone's like Redford's in? I'm in. How many actors are like that?

Unanswerable questions. I don't want to insult you, Joanna, because I know you love this movie. I love Robert, so do I. I already insulted her with the Ben Kingsley stuff. Don't worry. Uninsult. I'm living my best life.

I'm doing sneakers rewatchables. I couldn't be happier. All right. Is this a better movie with Kevin Costner in the lead? Just hear me out. I think he's slightly funnier than Robert Redford. He could be just as charming. He's a little younger.

And if you put Willem Defoe as Cosmo, you get the band back together with Mary MacDonald and James Roald. It might be a better movie. I wouldn't hate it because I do love this era of Costner a lot. Costner would have been great. But I love that Robert Redford did this movie. I think it's an important Redford catalog movie. He needs it.

But you're right. Costner is really good in this movie. Definitely. Absolutely. Yes. More Wood Sage is the worst. So, listen, I love Scrabble. Huge Simmons family game.

But I wonder, like, if this movie was made now, it would it be like they're playing Blockblast or Roblox? Does anyone play Scrabble in 2025? People play Scrabble. When was the last time Scrabble happened? I play Scrabble with my nephews. People play Scrabble. Younger people are playing Scrabble still?

Yeah. Craig? It's like a board game. When was the last time you broke out of Scrabble board? I haven't played Scrabble in a while, but that doesn't mean it's too old. Also, like, Redford's 56, 56 in this movie. You know, what would you be playing now?

I'm just, I'm thinking about for a what's age of the worst, seeing Scrabble pieces, which I think really meant something in 1992, because Scrabble and Monopoly were like the big two. Yeah, I don't know. I think there's still a kind of a nostalgic love for Scrabble in 25. The seduction scene in the math guy's office is too silly. I leave message on service, but you do not call. It becomes an SNL sketch for two minutes.

I flagged it. Let's do what we did in Mexico City, baby. I didn't know you could do that in Mexico City. Anything else, Kyle, for what stage is the worst? No, we've covered all mine. Okay. Well, you... I have one.

Okay. I think most of David Strathar and his Whistler is good. It could be dicey in the early 90s, but, like, I think the dancing. I might do another take on the dancing, which is a little too TV wonder for my taste. Okay. Yeah. Kyle, you have a flex category. Okay.

I was going to go rock band Cootie's Rat Seaman, who had told. totally be on the van's warp tour. But instead, I'm going to go, I'm going to go to Mallory Rubin. Did this movie Need a Better Sex Scene? And you think that I'm going to say that it's Bish and Liz. It's not.

It's Carl and Mary at the fucking end of the movie. I have always loved Mary with the Uzi. I always thought she was a total babe. Her name's Amy Benedict. She's worked consistently for 30 years. She's the babysitter on 30-something who I think had an affair with somebody, right? Perfect.

Yeah. I feel like Carl deserved like some love at the end of the movie. And Bill, I'm sorry, Joanne, I'm going to defile this podcast, but Bill, I'd like to officially induct Carl into the Rudy Rudiger Horny Hall of Fame characters. Carl is in, Loud and Swain from Vision Quest is in. And Bill, you nominated both Wyatt and Gary from Wayne's Weird Science.

Yes. They're in and Carl is in. Joe Goodson? Getting the phone number. Yes. Who else? Joel Goodson, without a doubt, in the suburbs of Chicago, he's a first ballot guy, and so is Carl.

Okay, do you think if it's 1992, we have the same terrible poster, the same terrible title? Yeah. But the tagline is, there's a River Phoenix sex scene in this. Do you think this movie does better? Yes, as long as it's... Day to the end, there's a River Phoenix sex scene. Yeah, and everything goes better. They push River Jones.

River gets some. Yeah. They push River Phoenix. Everything's good. The Sierra thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take award. What do you have, Joanna? Okay.

Here's my tepote take is, this is Redford. best film of the 90s, and I don't think it's particularly close. My hotter take is, I think this is Redford's last great movie if barring his Marvel movies. Directorial?

Yeah, directorial doesn't count. Barring his Marvel movies, there's a different thing altogether. For acting, I would agree. Yeah, this is the last great movie. People would put Quiz Show as a, but he directed it. But he directed it.

I'm not talking about Chris show is unimpeachable, but like, there's a couple late, late Redford stuff that people stump for, but I think this is it. This is last great movie. What do you have, Kyle?

Mine's got some heat on it. Oh, boy. I'm ready. Marty Bishop doing the slow walk across Cosmo's office and back is more impressive to me than anything Ethan Hunt ever did in a Mission Impossible movie. Let me lay it down for you. Wow. I'm with you. Let's fucking go, Joanna.

This is a 56-year-old man who has been knocked unconscious three times in the last couple days. He is doing this in a room. that is 98.6 degrees, and the shotguns are coming for him if he goes three inches per second instead of two. Ethan Hunt learned to hold his breath for a long time. La-di-da-di-da. Everything he did is physical and can be trained with some balls over enough time. Bish, poise, focus. When I was a kid and I watched this movie, I used to try to walk across my room holding like a slaughtered CD and trying to do this. And after like 20 seconds, I just get bored with it and stop. It's fucking impossible. I think it's incredible that he'd

pulled it off. Kyle is so generous that at the start of this podcast, you're like, Joanna, you might be a better sneakers fan than I am when you used to sort of like practice bishes slow walk across Cosmo's office. I mean, this is why the three of us are here. If either of you had been left out, I don't know if it would have been reparable. That's an incredible anecdote.

I love to know that. I should, Kyle should have gone last. Now go out. What do you got? Beat the three here. Mine is it's not incredibly hot. It's not as good as we just did, but I think in 2025 right now when you think of all the people

that are alive in the world and how many people under 40 there are. I think this might be his most popular movie. Okay. Go on. Redford's the most popular movie?

Yeah. Because like the Sting, Butch Cassidy, I just don't think people under 40 are ever watching those or unless like we're going to pulling them. He made a movie called Captain America Winter Soldier

and then he made a movie called Avengers End Game. But that's not his movie. Winter Soldier doesn't count as a redford movie. If you're like, there's one movie. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Well, if you're like, what do young people know him from? They know him from California Winter Soldier. I'm saying most popular movie that he was the front of. I would have said the natural forever,

but I don't even know if the natural has aged the same way. Like in the 90s, you would have said the natural, no question. Bush Cassidy. Honestly, just like in terms of where it stands. I don't know how many people are watching

Butch Cassidy anymore, though. That's what worries me. I would have said all the president's men is the other one. I know what you're saying. I always say, like, if I showed it to my son, could he make it through the movie? There's one movie that relies on infamy, and it's indecent proposal.

And the whole thing about million bucks to be with Demi Moore for the night, that is a concept. Like a relevancy? Yeah. Yeah, like even that gimmick, if you remade it, it would be interesting. Just the fact that you could do that

and you make it $100 million for a night. Like, that one may be, but I see what you're saying with the sneakers. I think the answer might be all the president's been, though. It's either for... That's true. Because that just comes up every total relevance

in the current political landscape that we live in. It's like, let's put it back on. Casting what ifs, we don't have any. Mary Steemburgeon as Liz. I saw that. I disregarded it.

It said she was considered. Steve version was everywhere. I saw it. I didn't care. It's like saying, Van Lathan was considered for the Sneakers podcast. Yeah.

What is considered means? Somebody mentioned once. Best that guy. Timothy Busfield not eligible. No. You know who is eligible? Our guy, Stephen Toboloski. All time that guy, I think.

I sat next to Steven Tobolowski at a wedding once, and we shared an Uber back to the hotel. How was he? Is that where it ended? That's where it ended. That sounds like a romantic guy. Jesus. I was married to Stephen Tobolowski.

Wow, Joanna, was he like, Joanna, would you like to have breakfast with me? Should I phone you or nuts you? You know what is the best nutrition? The bottom of a monkey cage. I read that somewhere. Yeah, yeah. Warner Branded.

He's great. Phil? Yeah. I will. Phil Conner? Here's my question. Is there a better three-year that guy run? Go on.

Pantiliano accepted. Yeah. Then Thelma and Louise, basic instinct, single-white female, sneakers and Groundhog Day, all in three years. It's a great run.

Tobolowski has an awesome one-seen part in Spaceballs as well. Oh, yeah, where they capture the stunt doubles. He's just, he's so, so good. He has a podcast now. He talks about all this stuff. Tobolowski files.

He's loved this movie. I think if you're ranking, if we did Tobolowski rankings, Groundhog Day's got to still be number one. Phil? Can I tell you? He don't knows Ned? Ned the head?

Yes, the best. My friend's wedding, who I sat next to him, that friend is like the first person I ever podcasted with, David Chen. And the first time I ever talked to him on the phone, he called me and he's like, oh, wait, hold on. I have someone on the other line. And he's like, oh, I'm going to patch him through.

And it was Stephen Tobolowski. And basically he had Stephen. I've never called him on this. But I'm pretty sure. He got Stephen Tobolowski on the line to, like, impress me so that I would do a podcast with him. Wow. It was really, really funny. It did work.

Yeah, and then we wound up at his wedding. Phil! Got the shingles real bad senior year. Yeah. Phil, Connor? Is he first ballot hall of fame for that guy? He's got to be, right? 100%.

I also think he doesn't, his name is hard to remember, which I think factors into the that guy rankings. If he had a really cool, memorable name that was easy to kind of recall. You don't think Tobolowski's a cool name? I got to say I forgot his name again. Of course. And we've done, this is one, two, three rewatchables with him. If his name was like Mac Jones, you would never forget that. But Stephen Tobolowski.

I think you should rename this, the Stephen Tobolowski Best That Guy Award. Well, it's already named after Joe Pan-ilat. But I think you should put Tobo on there. Donald Logue is also in this movie. He's telling them fucking, everybody's something to fuck myself. Nobody beats Joey Pitts. Okay, bye. I also do think that Eddie Jones, who's also in a league of

their own and the grifters and Rocketeer. He's a good, so that's a really good that guy, because I didn't even know what that guy's name was. Yeah. Yeah. Deanne Waiters, James Earl Jones, can we just move on? But I would, no, but also, Amy Benedict does Mary. I think, I think that's like a good...

Shout out to Mary. I love Amy Benedict. We love Mary. She does hit a couple threes. James Earl was like Stone Cold at WrestleMania, just kicking ass and clearing the ring. Also, fun fact, she gives him a 415 number, which is a real Bay Area Area Area Code. and for a while that you could call that number and you got a...

Yeah, they owned it, right? Yeah, you got a little, like, message of like, those these sneakers. Awesome. I agree. I agree. When Kyle and I do our action movie, we're going to do a real phone number. I love a phone number.

Yeah, we'll just buy the phone number and then it'll be like an actual people could call it. Recasting couch, we already did it. Unless there's another recasting. No, I'm good. All right. Craig, you have a flex category.

Come on, Craig. I'm going positive, which might surprise you. I'm doing dentistry. scenes stealing location. I think San Francisco, the area, is the best movie location. Hell yeah. I think it's the most diverse.

You have water, you have skyscrapers, the streets, the hills, the bridges. I feel like you can kind of do anything. And I think the first hour of this movie is a little slow, and I honestly think it picks up the second they go outside.

And you start to see the bridge and you kind of realize you're in San Francisco. It super picks up. You know, Vertigo, Mrs. Doubtfire, big trouble in little China. there's so many great San Francisco movies that I think it's the... You can do the most with San Francisco compared to, like, New York, Chicago, or LX.

A good take. You know... I really agree as someone from the Bay Area. I'm from the Bay Area. Thank you so much. Sucking up to Joanna. No, but also I think that... The Rock, another good San Francisco movie.

Like, as I said, Bay Area movie, they didn't film... The tunnel scene where they kill the Russian guy, Greg, did not... Was not filmed in the Rainbow Tunnel, but it might as well be. Like, you feel like you're in the Bay Area when you want... There's enough external shots. You get a cable car. You get all the things that you need. You just think you can do the most with it.

Yeah. It's a great take. You know, it bums me out because San Francisco versus Boston, there's been a little rivalry about what's a cooler city to go visit, live in, all that. You know, very similar. Their bookends to each other. And San Francisco has always translated way better in movies. And I just got, I got to hand it to it.

There's more distinct landmarks. Even like random movies, like, so I married an Axismer. Yeah. Yeah. Basic instinct, like movies that, especially when we do like the drive, whether you can see the water and you've got like the weird cliffs and stuff. They go up to Hawaiian country at some point. The car, Mike Myers drives the same, that same orange car and so I married an ex-m murderer. I feel like it was just like a San Francisco car they had around.

Hey, did you also hear Robert Redford wears the same letter jacket and two movies too? The same exact one? Identical? I'm with you on San Francisco. Good one, Craig. Half-asserned research. So they pranked Robinson. They had a visit from the Office of Naval Intelligence

who was trying to get him to change the script because it was divulging too much stuff. And it turned out it was a prank. And he was like freaked out about it and got a lawyer. And then it was probably like Redford because it was prank. Redford loved pranks. He was a big prankster. Yeah, like Clooney. Same thing.

The character, there's a lot of stuff about the characters based on people who were famous. Yeah. Captain Crunch. Yeah. You can Google that if you want. But there's... Well, here's what I'll say about the phone freakers, the, like, the inspirations for all these guys. The character names, all that stuff. Something to contextualize it is that, like, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were phone freakers.

Like, they started by selling these, like, blue boxes, which you could use... There's, like, a shot at Maabella in this movie, right? You got to take money from Ma Bell, right? Yeah. So they founded, like, the Apple Fortune starts with these two guys illegally defrauding. the phone company. And that's like a Silicon Valley dream origin story. And that's the kind of guys that this is dealing with.

I never knew about that Captain Crunch Whistle thing as like you could hack into phone calls and stuff. I didn't either. I just, is that like one of those things like Paul from Wonder Years is Marilyn Manson? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, that's real. So the professor they used to help help them with like the consulting. Professor Len Adelman.

Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. One of the three mathematicians who invented the RSA crypto system. The A&RSA. Much later. Yeah, they had kind of a dream team of people helping them out with this. So he wrote all the Yonik lecture notes and what he says there, which is like actual real math, I guess. But did you see the fact that the reason they got Len Alderman to do this is he wanted his wife to be able to meet Robert Redford?

And it reminded me of, I don't remember if you guys said this on the Tin Cup rewatchables, but it reminds me of the story of like how they got all the golf, the actual golf guys in Tin Cup is that they just trotted Costner and Don Johnson around to all of their wives. Oh yeah, yeah, that is true. So this is what, like, they were like, your wife can meet Robert Redford if you do this favorite for us. It's great. It's a great trick to have. We'll take one more break and then we'll do Apex Mountain. The playoffs are here and you can predict the action all the way to the finals with

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Apex Mountain, Redford, obviously not. No. It's probably not for River Phoenix, but what is River Phoenix's Apex Mountain? Stand by me or my own private Idaho or running on empty. Yeah. Sydney Poitier, no way. Nice.

Nice. Nice. Great in the movie, though. Absolutely killing it. Actually, one of the best Apex Mountain years, anyone ever had, 67. Yeah? Won the Oscar. He's like two of the biggest movies.

Like, he was just... Killing it. Yeah, crushing it. Ak right now. Weird Ben Kingsley performances. That's species. I still think species, right? He's fucking nuts and species.

But that movie is... He tries to lock Madsen and Mark Helgeberger and the glass case. Keep him in there, murder them! This movie's about guys who sneak around in the banks. That movie's about a woman's tongue goes through the back of somebody's head. Like, it's got to be that. I saw that in HBO way too young and I just... It changed me forever.

One of the classics. Walking one inch per hour to evade security sensors? Sure. Impossible. And yes. Scrabble tiles? Yes. The name Cosmo in a piece of pop culture, I'm going to still say Seinfeld.

Got to be Seinfeld. Although there was a Cosmo Renaissance here in the early 90s. Yeah. Geese sounding like a cocktail party. They stole that from it. That's in a different movie as well. They took that from a different movie. Okay.

But I love it. I did not write it down. Mary McDonald characters. Half-ass Internet research for you. But would you watch it? Would you do a double feature? of geese sounding like cocktail party. Yeah, I need to be covered on all things stupid.

So yes, absolutely. I'll text it to you later. All right, please. Mary MacDonald character is being seduced by old flames. Probably this over blue chips. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Mary MacDonald now, it stands with Bulls. How about Braille Playboy? Seen Braille Playboy. Awesome. In a movie before? That's how we were back then, Bill. I would have looked at a Braille Playboy just to get my hands out. I don't even know what it means.

This is gray. This feels like one. And then helium voice jokes. The answer is no, but this movie reminded me how much helium voice humor is just going to get me every time. It's key to the 90s. What is it about helium voices?

It's like the whoopee cushion of performance art. It's just the stupidest, dumbest gag. It's always funny. Greg, it still plays in 2025. 100% I've done it many times. That's eternal. It's fun to do. Transcends general.

I don't know. Is it, how bad is it for you? I think it's horrible. Is it terrible or is it okay? I think that's why Kanye went crazy. Craig, how often are you doing it? It's a mini-wippet? I don't know. Probably did it five times in my life.

I think it'll be okay. This is what happened to Kanye. Too many helium balloons? Too many helium hits? Cruz or Hanks? This is Hanks. It's a perfect Hanks role. Although I think it'd be funny if Cruz was in it and had to do the slow walk

because he's known for running. Right. I think it would be, Cosmo would have to re-engineer his office that if you walk slower than 20 miles an hour, you're dead. So that's the only way Cruz does it. It's clearly Hanks. In 92, I think actually Hanks could have done it. Yeah. Could have played older.

But can I just throw out older crews, maybe 2005 range cruise as Cosmo? As Cosmo. As Cosmo. Does he have the Magnolia ponytail? He's got a weird. hairdo. He's got Vanilla Sky kind of energy. Okay, Vanilla Sky Energy plus Magnolia. He's running

is way better than Kingsley. He's no accent. Yeah, he's got T.J. Mackey hair. Yeah. He's way more angry about getting ditched during the pizza and a little almost like Dorothy, it's about the information. I don't know if I could take it.

Came the box. All right, we'll go with Hanks. Scorsesey or Spielberg? Clearly Spielberg. This is very Spielberg. I think if it's Scorsese, you got De Niro's Bish, and you got Peschi as Cosmo, and it's just a whole different movie. I fucking told you.

Pepperoni Pizza, you hippie fuck, right. And it's just... And they're definitely doing cocaine in the... Yeah. Rolling Stones and all that shit. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played clearly Akroyd's part? No. In 92, River Phoenix's role.

Well, but you can have Hoff in any point. But remember in, like, early Hoffman? when he was doing, like in Twister, like he's doing kind of these like doofy like young girl. Yeah, she's right. Yeah, dusty from Twister. Pickin'nits that we haven't done.

Um, okay. Uh-oh. Given that River Phoenix gets to the office through the vents in the ceiling, did they need the Warner Brandes voice voice passport? At all. Like maybe Bish could have just done what Carl did? I mean, he's 56, so I don't know if he could have,

but he could have, someone could have on the team, crawled through the vents. Okay. I have a picky knit off that picking knit. Okay. Only in movies are these ceiling vents this easy to just crawl around in. In real life, this would be the seventh circle of hell. There would be rodent poop and just all kinds of awful stuff.

It would be pitch black. There'd be just nothing good about being in a ceiling. And in movies, they make it just seem like you can move around. Like it's like a fun maze. In Mission Impossible 1, a rat shows up in the ceiling vent that he's in. Yeah. But I also think the entry points. I don't know about you guys.

Anytime I'm in an elevator or like a public bathroom, I always look at the vents to see if I needed to crawl out if I could. They're like eight inches by eight inches. They're tiny. I always do that. Every elevator? You do vent checks? You check your escape routes?

Could I McLean this thing if I had to? I'm going to start doing that. I love that. At least you're not doing it hoping the sounds of the lambs cop is bleeding the death over the elevator. What's Apex Mountain for ceiling vent climbing? And is it the scene in Jurassic Park when Lex falls to the ceiling and it's clearly her stunt double and she looks up and they've like CGI replaced her face with the little girl's face? But she's got the guns of a, the mad guns of a. Sealing vent falls all time.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I just think ceiling vent, I think just come out to the coast. Yeah. Have a few less. I think it's got to be that. McLean. John's got it. Fair.

Marty never tried to find Cosmo ever. Never tried to make sure he was dead. Just never gave it up. Oh, he must be dead in prison. Okay. If you heard somebody died in prison, would you first thought be maybe he didn't? Was you friends with Cosmo's parents? Did he check in?

No, he's underground. He's on the run. Cosmo's accent, we discussed. Disaster. Why did Cosmo... Why did he want the black box this badly? Because the government can't have it. If the government has it,

then he can't do what he wants to do, which is steal everyone's money, question mark? What's his plan? That's my thing. That's where I'm getting. What's his plan? What's his plan? Just to disrupt? Or did he want to be rich?

Because then he says, I don't want anyone to be rich. I think he just wants to take the money and distribute it evenly among everybody, which is insane. It doesn't make sense. So he cares about all people, but is also threatening people

and shooting them and telling people to be murdered? You can't say I want a, you know, socialist, communist utopia and have many sharks in a tank in your office. Yeah. You can't wear loafers that are too expensive to run in. Yeah.

He's evil, but he's not evil, but he's thinking about everybody else, but then he's murdering his. murdering his best friend? What's going on with Cosbo? What he should do is spend the money on a treadmill and a trainer so he can learn how to run.

Right. Or loafers that have better grip. Yeah, yeah. Let's get him some new balance. You just scuff up the bottoms of those loafers. My last picking knit is Redford and Mary McDonnell have the exact same haircut

and it's disorienting if you really study it. It's very feathered. It's the exact same. It's very feathered. In fact, they could have switched hair during the movie and you wouldn't have even noticed. This is two.

years after Demi Moore's haircut and ghost and it was showing up everywhere. It was a very, very hot haircut. Very flowy. We've seen it. It was in vogue. I'm not surprised that it shows up in this movie. I have a, it's really, really annoying to me that after they pulled off the heist of the century, that Mary MacDonald does the Deshawn Jackson at the one yard line and does her stupid line about the computer dating and blows the whole fucking thing. It drives me nuts that she even says that. Yeah, that is a good point. immediately. She blows it completely.

Yeah, you already won. Yeah, it is like the holding the ball at the half inch line. He's a demarcato on the Cardinals just did it against the Titans. It's very hot right now. I don't know. Because...

Just keep your mouth shut and get out of the office. Thank you. But she's playing this whole role the whole time, which is like, the only way she gets out of this is to act so annoyed and discredit Tobolowski's character, right? She's like, Werner.

Like, she's pulling this whole attitude. So it's like part of my character that's played. Werner was her walk off line, get in the end zone. The other thing I have is wildly different. It really bothers me in the last scene than when Sidney Pardier, he said, you will buy us two first class tickets all over Europe and Tahiti. He doesn't mention anything about hotel or accommodations.

Where are they going to stay in those places? That's very expensive. If he goes to Tahiti, it's all about the over-the-water bungalows. All he says is airfare, and that's always bothered me. What about the hotel? All expense paid. That's what you say. He needs to say that.

All expense paid. Yeah. Like a week later, James Earl Jones's sidekick is calling him. Hey, just following up on the trip. Good question. How does that happen? Yeah.

Also, well, whatever. They're hackers with a moral code, I guess. But I learned in war games that you could just hack your way into a flight anywhere and it's not a problem. Any of their nitpicks? No, I'm good. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV all blackcast

are untouchable. I rarely do the sequel answer for this. We can get more. Not against it. Snickers 2, 2007. But Redford's gone and Poitiers gone and Phoenix is gone. Somebody's kid. Okay.

Yeah. It's like heat. They just make him younger guy. Yeah. We'll rock. Do we get Ben Kingsley back though? Sir Ben Kingsley? Maybe he finally could figure out to exit. Yeah, Snickers too.

I mean. I wouldn't. Would you, here's the thing. Snickers 2 is out. They've made a trailer. for it. You're not clicking on the Sneakers 2 trailer to see what's going on. How do you feel about Heat 2?

Not ready to answer that. Okay. Oh, Bill. That's how I feel. What about a Crease prequel? How Crease got kicked out of the CIA. That's all great. Yes. The answers this are all right, except if they made sneakers too, they're so bad at making titles, they'd call it

like, Sneakers 2, sneakier. Still sneaking. Sneak-in. Sneak-in. Sneakier. Or sneakier. Yeah, you're right. That's what it would be called.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trao, Mad Dog, Rousseau, Dorisberg, Buffalo, Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron, Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel, Plainville, long legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm. Kyle, I know you have something cooking. Bet your ass I do, Bill. And I go, none of the above.

But if we go to that surveillance truck outside of the fortress at the end, and I see all those monitors, I know for a fact that Scott Hansen is standing in there just watching the action. We go to Playtronics, the future of toys. Let's start on Cosmo Cam, preposterous ponytail, nonsensical rhetoric. Give me the Carl Cam. Carl started his own private inferno at 986 degrees, but let's go to the Bish Cam.

Next-gen stats, one inch per second. Let's go to roof cam, guys. Can we go to the roof cam? Yes, the roof cam. We're answering machines become boxes, and boxes become answering machines. Wow. Oh, my God. That was extraordinary.

The best part of this is, does Joanna know what that was? Great question. No, but I loved it. Also, you got increasingly flushed as you went. And I was just like. Well, Kyle's former actor. Well, I know. Scott doesn't it for seven hours.

I did it for 30 seconds. It's amazing. So he was, that was Scott Hanson from the Red Zone. On Sundays with NFL. Thanks for explaining it. There's eight games at once. And Scott, like, maniacly takes you from game to game. Let's go to Arizona.

So that was. was that. Thanks for that, Bill. I like to explain NFL and Sopranos to you. I like when you make me feel included. It means a lot. So, speaking of Kyle's acting, I just want to get this out.

I don't know why you were in Chad Powers. You're right there. You work for the NFL technically. You played football. You acted. It's a college football show where the actors can be older

because they're at like a Division II thing. I don't know. why you weren't the running back. I don't know why you weren't the wide receiver coach. Just as your friend on your behalf, I was insulted. Bill, thank you. You're right there. Thank you. Do we have the TikTok cam going on this? Send this to Eli and Peyton, who had been very nice to me. I would have been ready to do it.

I don't know. You're right there. How many actors slash former football players slash in the NFL universe are there at this point? Season two. And you know what else was right there? Craig. Longtime football fan. You didn't hear, Craig. You moved out here and now way to act. Chad Power Season 2? Should we call Michael Waldron get you and Chad Power season 2? I would love that, but you know,

the Glenn Powell project that wanted to be in Moore is the Running Man, so I can play Dynamo and sing opera. I'm into that. Thank you, though, Bill. As I was appalled that they were remaking the running man, obviously, even though I love Glenn Powell, saw the trailer. You're in. In the movie theater?

You're in. You're in. You're in. All in. Let's go. They reinvented it. It's different than the movie. We're okay with this, right? Hell, yes, we are. I'm in. Just want to ask her who gets it. It's got to be the score, right?

James Horner. Yeah. The score for one ask her? I thought I was going to give it to Mary McDonald for doing multiple scenes pretending she's not attracted to our guy Redford. But that's tough lifting. But yeah, Warner, amazing. Probably in answerable questions.

So as it turns out over the next 33 years, the NSA figured out how to spy on us anyway, Joanna. Does that ruin the movie? These guys saved us from the NSA. Oh, no, they didn't. They're probably listening right now. They have cameras on us. They're definitely listening right now.

Yeah. That's who you hear breathing on the other new phone line, right? So sneakers won, but they didn't really win because they lost. That's right. We all lost. Because we're all being surveilled at all times. Probably answerable questions. Is this officially a San Francisco movie for you?

Yeah. It's a level one San Francisco movie? Absolutely top tier for me. Craig just rolled his eyes, but yes. Level two for you, Craig? I'm thinking about how much San Francisco is in the movie. that is identifiable as San Francisco. I wish there was a little bit more, but yeah.

My favorite movie ever, San Francisco movie. This one. Which is what? 48 hours. Oh, yeah. The movie I've seen the most times. I was like, I don't remember all the pieces of San Francisco. What's your favorite San Francisco part of 48 hours?

Oh, my God. I mean, there's wide shots of when he's driving to the bridge to go see Reggie in jail. There's the Chinatowns, multiple Chinatown scenes. when we're using everything. We get the car chase, we get to go up and down hills. Amazing stuff. Have you ever seen the track

of the bullet car chase in San Francisco? Have you ever seen the fact that like someone tracked where it takes place in San Francisco and basically like he's down in Pack Heights and then he's over in Sutro

and he's just like He's going downhill for too long? No, he just like leaps over nine different subsequent places. Well you know what they're filming bullet in like the early 70s? They have no idea

the internet's coming and we'll be able to just dissect everything. It's really funny. Has Pack Bell Park ever been in a movie? Have they ever gone to a Giants game in a movie? Great Park. I feel like that would be an awesome movie park.

Did they do it in the fan? The fan he's on the Giants? No, that was still a candlestick. Oh, yeah. I don't even know if they shot in San Francisco. Boston had a great fuck up for what you just talked about. Blown away. Oh, yeah. Tommy Lee Jones and Jeff Bridges.

The final car chase, they're just going downhill and Beacon Hill. Yeah. But she really, it's maybe two and a half blocks. you can go down it. They're going downhill for like five minutes. It's like just careening downhill. It's like this never-ending matting. And then they end up in Boston Common.

Anyway, I have an unanswerable that's going to break both of your brains. So unless you guys have anything. Oh, my God. I have one like that too, but Bill, let's hear yours. No, you go.

You go. I'll go last. Well, mine is simple. It's Mary McDonald says she doesn't want anything from James Earl Jones. It's like, what would you ask for? Like, you can do anything at all. Whether either now or 1992, it's literally, it's like a genie.

He's saying you can have any. anything you want. What would you ask for? But don't you like her delivery of, oh, I'm fine. Like, it's a great delivery. It's a great delivery. It's a great delivery. What would you ask for, huh?

What would you ask James Earl Jones for? I, well, I would probably be like, hey, it's 92. Can you make sure that Michael Jordan doesn't fucking retire to play baseball? Because I think they can win eight in a row. I think they can beat the Rockets twice in the final. So can you handle that, please? So not a Winnebago. You know what I would ask for?

Here's what I would ask for. Have you heard about these people who get access to movies when they come out? It's like some secret society if you get the actual cut of the movie and you just be like, the PTA movie came out. Come over my house. I have this direct signal. You're not that guy? No, I don't think anyone's like.

I don't even know anyone who has that. It's this rumored thing that I don't even know if it does it exist? What do you mean? People are showing screenings of movies before they come out? You pay like this crazy amount of money, but it's also, it almost sounds like joining some sort of club. Is it a money thing or is it a connections thing? I think it's a, it's got to be a connection thing. But I think it's only like you have to be like the head of a film studio.

No, I think you have to be like the head of a film studio. And you get it digitally or you come like a projectionist? No, you get like they, I think they actually bring the movie over. Like the canister? And they screen it and then they leave. And then you kind of host a private screen for 10 celebrities. I'm like, hey, I have the PTA thing. That sounds like the last level of being a movie executive.

Okay. Come on over. I got the new PTA. I've got the new Shalome. You would already have Runningman. Kyle, come out. I got Rudding. I went to a screening like that once.

Yeah. It's awesome. It's unbelievable. All right. Here's my unanswerable. You guys aren't going to be. I almost want to take a break, but I won't because this is a really big one. No, let's do it.

Come on. Hit us. Let's go. I don't need a break. You've already asked if Sir Ben Kingsley should give his knighthood back. So hit me. I did 40 minutes of Googling on this and studied photos. Let's go.

And watched a bunch of different movies. Did Robert Redford wear a wig? Okay. Oh. No, but he dyed his hair. You think it's a wig? The young Redford character absolutely has a wig on. That's what goes without a doubt.

Oh, sure. But there are certain parts where it does feel a little heavy on the side. And I'm saying it's not outlandish to ask. I don't think this. is a wig. He had the most full head of hair of any actor who ever lived. Even to the bitter end, it is a full fucking head of hair at all times. Well, I think the problem is that he kept dyeing at Ginger.

And that's why it looked unreal. You look at the 70s, it's like perfect. Like I was like Jeremiah Johnson did last year. Just perfect swoop. Yeah, swoop. It never goes back on either side. It's always like full and lush. And then it's blonde in the 60s.

and then it becomes redder later? Oh, shit. So, Bill, you're not just saying did he wear a wig in sneakers. You're talking about for like the whole run did he wear a wig. And you're saying like in his day-to-day life. I'm saying like for,

from the 70s on was that his hair. Like opening day at Sundance, he's got a wig on. That's what you're saying. But like a, like a styled wig where we would never know. Yeah, like a real, I don't know.

It's unanswerable to me. I don't know if anyone has theories. Are there Robert Redford wig truthers out there? Like, is there anything out there? Oh, okay. I did find some stuff. What are the people have to say? I love wigs.

This is great. In the 2014 range, there are some questions because he had the dark red, like darker cherry red on the top, whatever brownish red. But then the gray sideburn's here and some people are saying maybe the hair. I think, oh, you think it's a red piece on top of the gray. But it didn't do it well enough with the white. I think it's a dying issue, but I will take a closer look. All I'm saying, I open my eyes to a real possibility. unanswerable either wore a wig the whole time

or best head of hair ever in the history of movies for any of this. The case for your argument is name another old person with his hair. You can't. It's one of those things like if, like you're just like Uncle Bob's coming over. He's a one of one.

Oh my God. Is he going to wear one of his wigs? Like why does he think he's full head hair is 82? This is crazy. I think the red was the problem. But I'll have to look. He also preempts a lot of the like, highly technical hair implants and stuff.

Like, McConaughey talks about how he got his stuff done. Like, they weren't doing that in the 70s that you're talking, 60s even. Turkish hairlines. I'm fascinated. This is one of my, this would be like, we always play the game of worst podcasts you could have that you'd actually be good at hosting.

Mine would be just every episode about whether somebody wore a wig or a toupee. Yes. Bill, don't. The Steve Martin episode would be like two and a half hours. Like, don't threaten me with a good time. That would make, I would love that so much. We're in a video podcast age. We could put up, that's great.

Visual, you know, like do a full month on Nicole Kidman. Oh. Yeah. And then, I'm not good at the, I'm not good at. Lady wigs? Lady wigs, I'm bad at. Sounds like you need a female co-host. That's what I hear.

Wait, no, I can do an only male wig-based pod. I don't bad with the female wigs I can't spot. Can we do a, too, the tubes and the wigs I can spot. And then can we do a spinoff pot with me and Liz? And it's identifying. when an actor got fillers. Yes. Because we just spend all day

when did Emily Blunt that's a really good one too. Oh, Emily Blunt. It's a lot. Great stuff. This is why people come to the rewatchables for the important conversations. Male wig only and you're just outing

male celebrities who have wigs. It's not outing. It's not outing. It's outing. No, because sometimes the answer is that's their hair. Good for you. My favorite Marvel fact

is that Steve Rogers has like a little like they put a little wiglet on Chris just like blotted him up right in the front made it nice and full. Wiglet, I like wiglet. Yeah, it's like a little piece that you put on top. The Denzel episode would be long.

Yeah. I actually think this is a great idea and we should do it. Coming up, coming up on the wiggest loser. Me and CR talk about Vigo Mortensen. Wiglet? Yeah, Wiglet. Do you want CR on this pod?

I'll say I'm in CR. we've had many conversations over the years. There's been, like there's some good ones where there's some, it would be shorter pods like a McConaughey. John Cusack's another one where it's like, come on, dude, we have all your films in the 80s, stop. Here's the number one. I loved, this is one of my favorite things to do is when I think someone has gotten a transplant,

I go and I'm like, look at where the hairline was for, Harry Styles. Andrew Garfield's a huge one, right? Andrew Garfield got the hair done. It changed his entire career. Turned his career right away. He was really receding, got a transplant, and then all of a sudden it's Andrew Garfield time again. I grew up in the 70s where, like, Reynolds was open about it.

Yeah. Reynolds was losing it, and then were just wearing these crazy, like, most of his movies, he has wigs on. I don't think it's a problem. Like, I think it's fine. I don't think anyone should be embarrassed by it. It's like, women. We're not pro, we're not con.

It's just answering a question one way or the other. Women do things all the time. Kyle keeps playing his hair. Now I'm like, Kyle self-contually touching his hair. Kyle is gray hair. Do you want me to take it off right now? I'll do it on camera. I'll do it right now and un-winging it.

I can't do it. All right. That was fun. That segment worked out better than I thought. That was awesome. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? Redford's wig, not eligible if he had one. The car also not eligible.

No, the car's not eligible. Okay. Is it interesting to say these are these scrabble tiles they used in sneakers? I think it is. There's an easy answer. Sure. It's a black box. A answer machine? No.

What is it? The sick 1992 red Niners hat? Oh. That's my thing. That's amazing. That's a great. That hat is awesome. There's two of them.

Two of them. You can give both. Great. Great call. Good one. Coach Finstack will wear a best life lesson. Look at a stranger's shoes to determine how important the interaction is about to be. I love that.

Really good. Yeah. Just a subtle one in the beginning when those guys, show up and Redford says to Phoenix, did you look at their shoes? He's like, yeah, they're nice. Expensive. Yeah, expensive. That's much better.

I had written down, give them head whenever he asked. So I like your experience. Be a Beacon. Best double feature choice. We went war games. More games. Would you go, Kyle? I'm also going with games.

I'm going with Patriot games. Tom Clancy, Harrison Ford, and Robert Redford in one day. Technology, spying and stuff, I'm way into it. And Redford wins a movie. Redford wins a movie. Can't take your eyes off him. All right. Buckle up, Kyle.

Buckle up, Joanna. We're going to producer Craig. I don't want to disappoint you all. I didn't hate this movie, by any means, of course. I just think, I think spy movies got really good. And when I was growing up, I had like Ocean's 11. You know what I mean? Ocean's 11 was only nine years after this movie.

It feels like 25. Like, watching this in Ocean's 11, you're like, we really improved over those nine years. So I'm not holding anything against it. Look, Bob Coosie was good in the 50s. Could he play now? No. You can't cross genres.

You can't cross eras, I mean, you know? So, to me... That's it. I respect you're like, this is fine, and I've seen the movies that come after it that make it feel whatever. No, I'm not...

I love Craig. But you're arguing that... Don't trigger me. But you're arguing that if it happened before, it's not interesting? I just think that this... I think it's hard for spy movies

in this era. It's tough. It's like, so... early on in the tech era and like what you're capable of. I understand what you're saying. Tech-wise, I do. It just improved so quickly. Like, immediately we just like...

So enemy of the state is the flipping point. Sure. Because that movie, even though it's ridiculous, we're doing the rewatchables, but the tech's good in that movie. And like feels more like now, even though it's almost 30 years. Yeah. This feels like it's from 1990. From a tech angle.

I see what you're saying. I think the casting's a little wonky too. You know, this movie kind of feels like, to me, like the fourth installment in the Sneakers franchise when everyone is a little. too old. And you're like, oh, it's Redford hanging on. And acroyd kind of doesn't look like the acroid I remember. I'm going to start crying. But, you know, it's like, oh, did they need to make the fourth one? It's still good, but it's the fourth one. I like it, Craig, because... I love that everyone's forced to respond to this and be like, no, no, yeah. No, I am. Because in Ocean's

11 and then also, like, in the Italian job, all these beautiful people and these amazing cars, There's robbing casinos. These are real people here. It's Stratherne and Accroid. It's like they're much more relatable and it's much more touchy feeling. That's just how I feel. And straightheart.

And I, and I, I just, it's a little, I'm like, Redford feels a little too good for this movie to me. Acrode. Yeah. I think that's why it works, though. Yeah. It's like he's kind of overqualified to be in it.

I'm like River Phoenix is nothing to do. Accroid feels weirdly cat. I don't know. It's like having Roger Ebert back. It just feels a little wonky. I think two and a half stars out of four from Raj is perfectly fine. It's not a one out of four.

It's a two and a half. I would have gone three at least. I can agree with you on the tech. Like, it's hard to watch chunky 90s tech in any of these, like, cyber movies. The casting, we have to just deeply disagree on that's okay. I think it's hard.

Me coming into this movie now, I feel confident that if you showed this movie to most people in their 20s and 30s, they would probably share my opinion. It doesn't mean it's a bad movie. Craig, doesn't, didn't it bring the house down for you the James Earl Jones scene at the end? Oh, yeah.

I went fist up. I love that. I love Jamesville Jones. There's great parts of this movie. But, you know. I think those are all fair points from Craig. That's fine. You would recast this movie?

No, I think Kingsley part is tough. Yeah, you would recast Kingsley. And I think Redford's too old to be in the movie, but I'm fine with that because it's Robert Redford. I think this movie, the fact that it has such a rock-solid movie, you know, you and Sean and Chris were talking on the Sting episode about, is Redford a great actor? and that's a question you were asking

and that's a great question to ask during Redford Month but he is just the movie star. Yeah. And to have a movie star, similar to Ocean's 11 when you've got like Clooney and Pitt at the center of it, you know, like a movie star here and then the rest of the team just like jails around him and he's the leader on the set and he's the leader of the team.

And Sidipaet is also too good for this movie and that's kind of what I like Sir Ben Kingsley is in a way too good for this movie. And I kind of like that, I'm like, he's Sir Ben Kingsley. And you're like, he's in the last... He's two something for this movie. I don't know if it's good.

But, like, I like it because it elevates the movie. And it makes it something that we have to consider forever. It's in Sydney Poitiers' filmography, so we have to consider it, you know? That's it for the sneakers, rewatchable.

It's just went over two hours. Yeah, incredible time. Thanks to Craig. Thanks to Chris for helping that as well. Thanks to Ronick. Eduardo. Oh, and Eduardo. Thank you, Eduardo.

Thanks to Joanna. Thank you. Great to have you here in the studio. And as always, Kyle Brandt, next month, the more normal month on the rewatchables, and we're overdue for something goofy from the 80s and ideas. If the people can see our text chains about the kind of stuff we're discussing,

it's off the wall and it's coming. Can you guys release your big board? I would love that. Yeah, too, how to handle it. Is it better or worse to release the big board? Is that good content to like my, Oh, for sure.

My screen cap. Yeah. The rewatchable's Instagram would love the big board of what Kyle and Bill are cooking up. I mean, my big board is organized by decade, too. I got 80s, 90s, 2000s,

2020s, all that stuff. How many months slash years have we been circling just one of the guys? Three or four years, probably. A top tier is playing on Comedy Central at 3 o'clock in the afternoon movie. Yeah, that's one.

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