The Rewatchables - ‘Speed’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

This pod has no shot of dipping below 50 mph; it’s all gas, no brakes as we revisit the 1994 action thriller ‘Speed,’ starring Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bullock, Jeff Daniels, and Dennis Hopper. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic LIONSGATE’S MUTINY, STARRING JASON STATHAM, ONLY IN THEATERS AUGUST 21 Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects. Get started at https://ChatGPT.com by selecting Work mode. Available on Plus and Pro plans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The rewatchables is brought to by the Ringer Podcast Network where you can find the big picture with Sean Fennessee. Yes, sir. Flops draft this month? Yeah, what do you think? You won in? Is it, did it happen yet? No, no.

I never get invited to the movie drafts. Flops draft. Of course I went in. You were just on a draft. I want to be it on the Flops draft. Did we not talk about the Flops draft? No. You're invited as well, of course.

Yeah, I thought it would be a good idea. Great idea. Yeah. Any movie, what's the threshold? Is it sub $30 million? Sub $30 million at the box office? We've got to figure it out. I like how you were like,

a hype involved. Sub 50% on Rotten Tomatoes, you know? Like, what is a flop? How do we define it? I can't wait to talk about it. Thanks for the invite. You're welcome. Hey, thanks for the invite.

I appreciate it. Of course. CR, much like the people were trapped on the bus and speed, you were trapped with Adam Friedland for six weeks. You escaped. You're back. A wonderful bus ride around Los Angeles with Adam. Talking soccer.

You were going 50 miles an hour the whole time. That's right. And you're doing some thrones? Is that done yet? Thrones ends Sunday the knife. So by the time people hear this will be done. Are we in the 300s yet or no, 1,200s? Yeah, you know, King Henry just came into this picture.

We're excited about some changes he's going to make with dragons. The Vikings aren't in, though. No, all right, no. We are going to do maybe the greatest action movie of all time. Speed is next. This episode of the rewatchables is presented by the movie Mutiny, only in theaters, August 21st. Our guy, Jason Statham, stars,

Mutiny, the new action thriller from the director of plane. I like that movie. When an international conspiracy turns deadly, that always happens. Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission. I love one-man missions to take down those responsible. And if you're a fan of the beekeeper, the bag, or the expendables, guilty. This is exactly the kind of movie you want to see Statham in. You've sold me. One of the defining action stars of the last 25 years, doing what he does best. I agree with that. Think die hard on a boat.

That sounds great. Mutiny, only in theaters, August 21st, rated R for strong, bloody violence and language. There you go. You already did a rewatchable's episode on Speed in 2017.

Now you have more categories. What do you do? What do you do? Yeah, we did this movie nine years ago. Fuck it. It's the re-speed. I told Eileen that we were doing this and she said,

No, you guys did that already. And I was like, I've never done a podcast about speed. I love speed. I was so excited to get the text from Bill about speed. And she was like, no, I know that this happened because I listened to this episode and loved it. But it was almost 10 years ago that podcast. Who was on that podcast? It was Donnie Kwok, Concepcion and Shea.

It was one hour, four people. And we had like four categories. It was one of the first 10 we ever did. That's amazing. Was I on it? No. No, you weren't on it. Yeah.

I think you were salty that you weren't on it. actually. I think we had some ranger chemistry issues. You and me? There was a trade demand. Wow. And then you came and put the rings on the table. Yeah. You demanded to be traded at SB Nation and we calmed it down. I was going to say PFT

for CR straight up. Who says no? I texted you guys. We were all texting about it. Craig, is this your favorite one we've done? Love this fucking movie. Yeah. This is like when we do film school and it's like, let's learn about Citizen Kane, Kubrick.

like this should be an entire, not only a class, but you could do a semester on why speed is the perfect action movie, because I think it is. The art of blockbuster filmmaking. I think that should be a class. This movie has very specific goals and it achieves all of them. And it doesn't rest for really a split second. There's one scene where people are standing still.

Which one is that? When Jackets is metal and then they go to the bar. That is the only scene where somebody is not running, walking very quickly on their way somewhere, a vehicle is moving, somebody is falling, somebody is running. And that seems good because it ends with Jack going, I'm going to go have sex.

I'm going to go have some sex. This is the definition of a rewatchable. It's been on for 32 straight years. I remember seeing it in the theater. It could be on T&T. It could be on real cable. It's scary, but it's not too scary. It's really fun to nitpick.

I couldn't believe how many nitpicks I had. I have so many nitpicks. I think I have 15 nitpicks, but they're all out of love. Yeah. I think it's okay for a movie like this to have some plot flaws because it's fucking absurd. It's a movie about a domestic terrorist who's putting bombs under buses. Right. I'll also forgive any nitpicks or flaws this movie has because if you tried to make it today,

it would cost $1.3 billion because they use the actual 105 freeway. They shoot an anamorphic all over Los Angeles, blowing shit up. Like, there is no movie industry world in which this is not being shot in Romania now and using a ton of CGI. We need more movies where buses drive into private jets and explode on screen. Like that, what happened to this country? They're like, Christopher Nolan, man, nobody does it. Like, I'm like, Yacht Departes this already for $31 million.

It's funny because it was Diehard on a bus. Yeah. Yeah. Diehard's 88. they're ripping off diehard right after and they do this. Is under siege really the first rip off? No, they're past your 57.

Striking distance. Yeah. Sudden death is being made with our guy, Jean-Claude. But they did a whole bunch of them. Cliffhanger. Cliffhanger's another one. It's Die Hard on a mountain.

So nobody wanted to be in this. And now you look at it, they say fuck it, they do it. They basically Keanu is not the first choice. Sandy Bowick's been floating around, hasn't made it. DeBant's never directed a movie. So they do this.

And for the next three decades, everyone rips this movie off. I feel like this movie's been ripped off almost as many times as Diehard. At least. Where it's like, let's try it. It's really fast and it moves like speed. Yeah. But nobody's pulled it off. The vibe of it for sure.

I feel like people are trying to, they're chasing the high of this movie, which I still don't totally know what they did, what the chemistry was. And a lot of this, I have a lot of bias because I was 12 when this movie came out. And I saw it in theaters too. And I was like, holy shit. when I got out of the movie. But I think it was true for most people. I mean, this was like a great word of mouth hit.

People loved this movie. Well, I was doing nothing in 1994. Like, I didn't have a lot going on for those three years. Even I knew they moved the movie up. Yeah. It was like, it was, and I don't know how I would have known that other than reading, like, magazines because we didn't have the internet. But it was like, this movie is so good.

They fucking moved it up. And it ends up going a week before the OJ Chase, which is just, you know, the most bizarre wrinkle just in general. This movie comes out. A week later, OJ's on the car chase and you're watching it

through the prism of like, I've never, I'm in Boston, I've never spent this much time with L.A. freeways of my life. Yeah, I mean, it makes Los Angeles seem like a reasonable place

to navigate driving-wise, weirdly. Like, I mean, like, they're almost surprised that there's traffic on the 10 in the morning. They're like, oh, no, I'm going to be late for work.

Yeah. But it's like, it made, it was still a time. Like nitpick number 16. Well, the three of us grew up on the East Coast and we spent most of our life up until, you know, 30. I don't know. When did you move out here?

How old were you? 32. How much time did you spend out here? I only knew L.A. through Beverly Hills Cop. That's how I... I mean, Beverly Coast Cop, this movie in 902 and No. Yeah, it's like diehard speed, Beverly O's Cop, Beverly O's 902. You, like, your idea of what Los Angeles is like, and Speed is kind of different because, I don't know, like, Jack and Annie are, like, regular everyday people kind of.

even though they have extraordinary things happen to them. I mean, Jack, I guess, extraordinary shit happens to them all the time. Did this movie make you almost, like, sad that this wasn't the L.A. we moved to? Like, 90s, L.A., like, the vibe of it. And you could fill it in the old 902 and O reruns, too, where it just seems like you could move around better than now. Yeah. Like, even at the end, they go from, they save the bus at the end.

But then they have to go all the way downtown for the money drop. And it's like, to them 30 minutes and 24 minutes later, they're all downtown. I was like, that would be like an hour and a half now to go from the airport to downtown L.A. I always wonder if that's just like movie magic. You know, we always joke about that with collateral where they're getting across town so quickly. Or if there was, if it actually was like half the amount of people lived here. Yeah. You know, was that actually the case?

I mean, that's like when you read that there's like that Diddy an essay where she was like, we were at our place on Franklin Avenue and then we just cruised over to Malagul. I'm like, what do you mean? you cruised over to Malibu. Like, that would take two days. Oh, my God. Especially now. So when you talk about perfect action movies,

where you look out the star, the plots simple and great, and then it moves the way it moved. Did you make a list? I did. I'm very curious to hear what you guys think about this, but you were there for the 70s movies. Like, there was an era of huge action movies in the 70s,

you know, that were more event spectacle movies, like Towering Inferno and Beside an adventure. There were massive hits. And those movies, I think, if you watch them now, don't really hold up. They're not really that fun to watch. You might have some nostalgic feelings for them if you watch them at the time. But they all feel over long.

They've got these really baggy set pieces. It's full of like all-star cast, but nobody really giving their best performances. They're all swollen. Yeah. But in the late 80s, early 90s, something happens. And it's kind of like this hangover effect from movies like Top Gun,

Beverly Hills Cop, like Hollywood figures out a pacing and editing energy. Yeah. And then everything that comes in the wake of it, is basically incredible for 10 years. Now, I have rose-colored teenager goggles on with these movies. No, I think you're right, though. So, I'll do what I think is Tier 1. Can I give you one movie, though, that I think defied that from the 70s?

The Warriors. Yeah. That movie is 91 minutes. Similarly, a movie that where people are on the run the whole time. Right. That movie is the same kind of thing where it's like, I don't even know what you would cut. It's just like a Filet Mignon, which is what speeds like. Anyway, go ahead.

Okay. Maybe I'll do Tier 2 first. Okay. Tier 2. Broken Arrow, Con Air. Independence Day, the long kiss good night, cliffhanger, true lies, last action hero, last Boy Scout, demolition man, fifth element, hard target executive decision.

I'm sure I've forgotten some here and there, but that's mostly what I'm thinking. Tier 1. Die hard, Crimson Tide, Hunt for Red October, T2, point break, the Matrix, Blade, face off, first mission impossible, lethal weapon, fugitive, heat, under siege, and I think at the top of the heap is speed. I did an action movie championship belt starting with First Blood because I think First Blood was the first modern action movie

where it's like it starts out as a movie and then all of a sudden action gets added to it right but I had First Blood Terminator First Blood 2 Predator Die Hard

It's just the belt getting past Lethal Weapon 2 Total Recall Terminator 2 Underseege I have cliffhanger in there. Other people don't. I think Clifanger's great. I think cliffhanger's aged pretty well. I agree. The fugitive and speed.

Yes. And you can just see like, so that's 12 movies and 12 years. And they're all kind of leading to speed and speeds learned lessons from like, hey, what made the Terminator work? Yes. You know, what made what's the best part about diehard?

And then it just kind of was like an AI intelligence of all these other things that worked. And they just made it all happen together. So one of things about Speed and Fugitive, those are two movies of my, one of my earliest recollections of Saw the Movie, went back and saw it the next day, which goes to show you like, the word of mouth that came out about both of those movies, even in the 90s when I was still like a nascent, like I'm starting to understand what film culture is.

Even though my dad was in the house, like, being like, oh, lots of people like this, it was like, you were running around your friends like, have you seen Speed yet? Oh my God, dude, we got to go. And both of those movies are action films but with thriller conceits. Like, Fugitive is a Hitchcock movie, essentially like a wrongly accused man.

And Speed could have been a dirty Harry movie. Like, Speed could have been like, there's a crazy man, like targeting buses in Los Angeles, but Bomb Squad Detective Jack Trayvon. Yeah, Bronson, Eastwood. It could have been like a McQueen movie, but they turn it into

this like widescreen, explosive, never-send. stop action movie. Yeah, I feel like adrenaline is the thing that they tap into with these movies. It's that feeling of just like you're shaking the whole time you're watching the movie and having fun at the same time. I would say adrenaline, problem solving. Like the guys that came, this next wave of action movie guys like Keanu, Snipes, Willis, Nick Cage. It's less about like those guys winning fights and being like the strongest, like, which is what we had in the 80s.

And it's more like, how do we get out of this? I'll try anything. Yeah. Oh my God. He's going to do that. Like when Keanu gets under the bus, it's fucking insane. No normal person would do that, you know? And the same thing with Die Hard.

And I feel like Die Hard, cracked the code on that when he's like, oh, what was it, the elevator shaft? What was the craziest thing he did in that movie? Or when he's swaying off the top? Yeah, I mean. But he's like a normal guy, like, I guess I got to do this. I just think also like the taping to the back. I mean, all these, yes. it's like it's using your brain as much as your body.

Yeah. And pretty regular guys. Like Keanu Reeves barely wins a fight with Dennis Hopper. Like he's actually on his back. Well, the Hopper thing is another. It goes back to Alan Rickman and Die Hard or even Anthony Hopkins and Siles of Lambs where they're also like the key to this movie is to grab the guy who's Tommy Lee Jones, Dennis Hopper, Anthony Hopkins, the villain who people are going to be absolutely

like magnetized by it. Connery and Hufford October, where you're just like, there's a hugely overqualified screen legend who is like, I'm just going to let it rip on this one. This would have been a fun Nicholson part. I think Hopper's great, but it's right in that zone where it's like you can almost steal the movie if you're in the evil guy part.

Hopper is another one. Hackman, I guess. Yeah, he does it. But they all kind of dabbled in a dinner. This one was Cape Fear. Were you born the year of this movie? Two months after it came out. See? That's why he loves this stuff.

Born for it. Who showed it to you? How old were you and you saw it? This was a movie that was like my dad put it on for me and it just felt like it was always on like TNT or something and it was a big cable watch back when people did that for me. Keanu. Point break, speed, the Matrix, John Wick. Yeah. Just those four, that's about as good of a Mount Rushmore of what kind of action movies did you make back in the day, Keanu? Well, you might have heard of John Wick. I made four of those. did three matrices.

But between point break and speed, it's a little dicey for him. And that was part of the charm in this movie. It's like, really, Keanu? Just watched him bomb in Dracula. He'd had a tough run there. He was terrible in Dracula,

but that was a big hit. That movie was very successful. I think it's, he was trying to do a thing that you see a lot of actors do now. This is something like Chalemay does, where you're really trying to balance the quality work with the mainstream work

and trying to find a middle ground for those two things. And you can see that, like, after point break, he kind of very strongly pivots against that. He's like, I'm going to do Shakespeare. I'm going to do, you know, art house films. I have the movies. Bill and Ted 2, Private Idaho, Dracula, much to do about nothing.

Cowgirl gets the blues and Little Buddha. This was a fucking bender. When are we doing my own Private Idaho? It's a really good movie. It would be, like, the greatest Zag ever for us to do that. I wonder how many, have you seen it? I mean, it's the movie that made those two guys best friends.

Yeah. And then the research, I didn't even realize this, that River Phoenix died when they were filming speed, and Keanu was so upset about it. They had to, like, fix the shooting schedule.

Yeah, I didn't know that either. It was his best friend. My own private auto would be a good episode. It's a really interesting movie. Do you want to participate? Yeah, of course, yeah. It's a really good one. But that's obviously not a big hit.

He's making a very specific choice to do something. He's great in that. I think he's fine. I think he's fine. I'd much ado about nothing. I mean, like, he got a lot of grief for it, but if you go back and watch him... I think Dracula's worse. I think Dracula, he sticks out like a soft on the track of off.

Dracula is like laugh in the theater. Yeah, because Dracula is a cool movie. That's like a really fun horror movie that Coppola made, and he is not at his best. It's fun. This point break, it's obviously iconic. It was one of the first ones we've done, but it's kind of fun to make fun of them as it's happening a little bit at some spot. FBI! Junior!

I think he's just really good in this. He's a little more yoked up in this. and Jack, like, when... Him and Harry are in the office building right after they've rescued the people from the elevator, but they're trying to figure out whether Howard is in the building. And Harry's like, he would want to be close by.

And Jack gets up and he just like points at him. Like he's Joe Burrow. And I was just like, this guy's fucking cool, man. The point is. I love it. You know one thing I was thinking, because they overthink everything now with TV and movies

and everybody has to have a backstory and all kinds of shit. I like that. We just don't know. anything about Jack. Where's he from? I don't care. You know anything about Annie? You know anything about Annie? Yeah, nothing. Is he a vegetarian? Who gives her shit? Where does he live? We don't have the scene where he's just like getting ready to go to work in the morning and he's got like his dog.

Like everybody else in America. Yeah. Also, the villain does have a traumatic past, but it's not played for any kind of like character dynamic. It's just like, he's just like, fuck you. Give me my money. Don't you think if they made this now would be a half hour longer, which is fat? Yeah. And we would definitely see Jack, like, working out at Equinox and, you know, and he just broke up with his girlfriend. Yeah. Like, they would just add all this dumb shit to his character.

Well, it's even like you think about Harry's death in this. It's like, he takes two seconds to mourn him. He's just like, no! And he's like, all right, let's move on. We're still on the bus. We can't, like, what are we going to do? I think he does say, I'm going to rip your fucking spine out. And he's like, you'll do nothing like that.

Yeah. It's actually a really good scene because, Bollick, who's unbelievable in this movie. She's so great. But she's like, Jack, I need to stay with me. Yeah. Like, you've got a lot of people counting on you, but he's not just like the typical. And that's what they were doing with these movies where they would have your hero, but he would also have some sort of Achilles heel.

Or he sometimes couldn't handle the moment. He might get overwhelmed. A lot like watching Joe Burrow with a bad offensive line. That's right. Justin Herbert. Wow. Or C.J. Stroud. You've been doing your research.

Sandra Bullock. I don't know if this is the alt. Does that not apply to Drake May? shaky offensive line. We're taping this in July 31st. Good Drake May performance today. Yeah?

Oh, it can't. Hit AJ a couple times. Did he? Yeah. The reporters are impressed. How are you going to feel watching AJ? Fine. Fine.

That's how I'm going to feel about Jaylen Brown. I've already talked to this. We both win. Sandra Bullock, I don't know if this was the... Bill, I definitely won. I got LeBron. We'll see. But that's what they said

when the Trojan horse was delivered. We did it. Me and all my Trojan buddies were like, We did it. Oh, we got it. This fucking horse. Look at this thing. Lift that thing up.

So Jalen Brown is the Trojan horse in this scenario? Yeah. Wow. Interesting. Sandra Bullock. Is this the all time you're going to have a fucking crush on me at the end of this movie performance or just on the top shelf? Way up there. I'm pretty sure I saw low potion number nine before this, though.

So it's not like this was the first time I'd ever seen her. I saw four movies with her before. She was a demolition man before this? She was. Yeah, I think I was hard on that. Yeah. The vanishing. The vanishing.

Was that before this? Oh, yeah. Oh, interesting. And she's smoking hot in that. Yeah. And then she's in. I'm not sure that's supposed to be the takeaway, but. No, she's in it for eight minutes.

You guys see the vanishing? Smoke show. Absolutely. No, she's hot. That's why he's five alarm. Three years looking for her. It's got posters of where she got abducted. And then she's in a thing called love, whatever that movie, the River Phoenix

music music music. Peter Bogdanovich movie. She's one of the weirdest things I've ever done professionally is sit in a really small room with you and do the vanishing replay. Oh, yeah. That's that weird room. And you just did the voice like for 60% of them. The Bridges voice. Yeah.

Hello, Jeff. Hello, Jeff. I'm Bonnie. I'm the man you're looking for. We should bring, Barney should be a one of the voices for the pod occurring. Barney, yeah. I'll do it today. Would this movie be better with Barney?

Yeah. That thing called Love had her and Samantha Matheson. Yeah, sure did. And River. It was on right radar. I saw it in the theater. Not a bad movie. Not a lot going on in 93 either.

Not a bad movie. So yeah, but this was, I wrote up my notes a little Indy Navarretti-ish where it's like, by the end of the movie, you're like, that person's going to be in my life now for 20 years. Yeah. They will be repeatedly casting her in movies. She has an incredible ability to have chemistry with any male lead. It does not matter how older young they are. She is, like, born to be a mainstream.

movie star. She's a good actress, but like, she's just really good at connecting with other people on screen and then you feel connected to her. That's a great way to put it. Yeah, you're right. She could be with, I mean, she was with Ryan Reynolds. Yes. And that movie works so well. I don't really like Ryan Reynolds, but that was a huge hit that movie. To your point about, like, what they focused on in this movie and what the screenplay focuses on. What, what's Annie, do we know where Annie is going to work? Do we know what her job is? She's sped. I know, I know, I know she speeds, she smokes. CR.

Yeah. I'm just saying, like, she doesn't just smoke. But who it is, it's Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves. She doesn't just smoke. Morning smoker. Yeah. Well, there's...

That's a whole level of darkness. We'll explain that. Darkness or lightness. Like, darkness or like the sun just came out because we're having... I'm having a coffee in an 8 a.m. dart. Getting on a bus? Would you be... Were you a morning smoker?

Yeah. You were. I would get up. go downstairs smoke, go back upstairs when it happened, whenever I got it. But like 11 a.m. or 9 a.m.

For the longest time when I was working retail, we were not greeting the morning. You know what I mean? But I would get up, smoke, and then go shower. My takeaway knowing nothing on that character is just those little two tidbits

told me she was out until 3 in the morning than that before. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Probably had four hours sleep. Might not have slept at her own place. Oh, interesting. Rallied back with the coffee cigarette

She's late for the bus Fortunately she knows Sam Are you calling Annie a loose woman? No, I think she might have a big night The night before That's why she was running a little late for that bus The 8 a.m. To be like that bus is a half hour

Let me wipe out this dart Right before you get on the bus Half hours a long time Just takes a couple puffs She's great and can drive a bus I mean she was really the dream girl Yeah I think when she apologized

This is when she has the bomb vest on. She's like, sorry. She's very special. Drive a bus. Is that on your hit list for things you want a woman to be able to do? Just jumped right in. I mean, would you know how to drive a bus here? No.

I mean, like, is it, would you know less like driving a long car? Would I know how to drive a bus? Probably not. I feel like just getting a handle on that would take a bit. I think turning is probably a challenge. When she makes the sharp turn to get on, the freeway, like, that's impressive. Well, it's one of the best parts about her and Keanu in the movie is when he's like

realizes she's done a good job. And he's like, wow, hey, pretty good, you know? That's them connecting. It's kind of funny that he doesn't ever like say like, I'll drive for a little bit. That's true. There's a lot of time where they're just standing there and she's driving. You think as the cop, he'd be like, I got it. Well, there's what, 40 minutes into the movie.

He's like, yeah, might take a crack at this one once we get off the bus. I don't know if she's doing it later. Yeah. I think she's thinking of the movie. the same thing. It's funny because we did obsession. We recorded that one on Monday and it's very similar to Indiana Averetti in that movie

where you're just like, I like this person. And Sandra Ballac always had it. She finally put it together. And now where I just saw a trailer for Practical Magic 2. Yes. So it's still going. Three and a half decades later.

I was at a cinema con in April and she came out to talk about that movie when I was there. And she's like 62 years old or something. She looks like she's 39. It's insane. How many, she doesn't really make that much stuff anymore. I was shocked.

She had less than 60 IMDB credits. Yeah. She's basically been two a year max. She has kids now. Is this her first movie since the Lost City? I feel like it is. She hasn't really made a movie in about four or five years. She does have kids, yeah.

I actually know, it's a long random story, but the person she's with now, just like normal a life person. Cool. Yeah. That's great. But I was,

she always had the rap. Sam, the bus driver? She ended up with Sam But she always had the rep for most normal Hollywood star Because some of them You'd be shocked to know Aren't that normal

She's one of those people like Leo or Denzel Where like they still matter People actually will still just Like people went to go see the Lost City Regardless of whether or not you liked that movie That movie was actually a hit Almost entirely because she is still a draw

In a unique way Well the funny, we haven't done gravity yet It's on the list Oh yeah But that's one where that's basically Matt Damon the Martian, like Tom Hanks castaway. It's just me.

Yeah, it's just me for an hour. Yeah. And that's like the last level of movie stardom if you can carry a movie like that. It's just me guys. You're going to enjoy watching me and try to figure out stuff and get mad of myself.

You also just like, if you think about all the different ways you could have shuffled the deck of the two people who could have been the cop and the woman who's driving the bus and if it's like, I mean, there's a version of this movie that's like John Claude Van Damme

and Natasha Hensridge. and you're just like, that movie probably is like borderline entertaining, but you're not like zoomed in on what's happening at the wheel of the bus and watching these two people kind of fall for each other. Yeah, and also like really magical chemistry with them, which doesn't always happen in an action movie. Yeah, I agree. And I think that it's more likely that you were going to get that.

That's the reason why the movie is just a forever movie. It's like they kind of nailed all those particular choices that had to fall into place. Yeah, when you go through the casting, what ifs, it's not like, oh, well, we were looking at it. Yeah, you know, Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but we just, it's like this, this, they were like, I guess we'll try Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves. Like, nobody knows who she is and he was in point break a couple years ago, but. The same goes for Yon de Bonn. Like, it could have just not been him. It could have been any number of other filmmakers because there's just like, this is a hot script.

It's a studio movie. You got to pick the right people. He'd never made a movie before. But you get this Dutch maniac who's been studying under Verhoven for 25 years. And you get a guy who's willing to do all this crazy shit in this movie. I mean, the practical stuff that they're trying to pull off, that they do pull off. Dude, that movie is insane. And he brought a bunch of new stuff that wasn't.

Yeah. Like, the bus jump was like his idea. Right. The whole elevator first 20 minutes, like, he, that was him on diehard. But even like when the first bus blows in Venice and Jack is like running up to it and then like the flames are jumping and he's like, ah, ah, ah. I'm like, is that Keanu Reeves next to like active fire? Probably. Yeah.

Like, did they have any over? That's the thing is the flip side of it is this is clearly a much less safe time in Hollywood. But so many of the things that they do in the movie, so many of the action set pieces, if they were making it now, they would have just said, ah, we'll just fix that in post. We will be able to digitally touch this, so it's all fine. And some of the sequences wouldn't look as good. They definitely wouldn't feel as good. They wouldn't feel as deep and real.

Also, all the stuff like the elevator shaft is all miniature, stuff that they built by hand and then shot together. it's just like it's kind of the last moment right it's pre-Armageddon it's pre-independence day where it's a year before Twister Twister or a year and a half for Twister It's just right at the end of that CGI transition where everything big and explosive just goes into that approach instead of this approach

and it's why it's such a forever movie but this one is sure I love those movies as well but this one is almost entirely it's like the fugitive it's like let's take let's take this thriller concept, but take it to its most extreme but still plausible and logical extension of like

have a train crash, have like, you know, this guy, have this St. Patrick's State parade be the setting for a chase scene and then like have buses. And we love the fugitive.

We've done it twice, including Infernoble Lab audience in Chicago. This movie moves way faster than the fugitive. Sure. Fugitive is, there's a couple slow parts. Did you ask Danny Kelly if he would change his name to Eon?

Not yet. Does Danny Kelly know that Scoot McNary is playing a character named Danny Kelly? Yes, he was just informed somebody on Twitter sent him a, like a screenshot of, because they talk about the character's name being Danny Kelly in the show, right? Yes, being very Irish. Does anybody call him D.K? No, not yet. Okay.

Not yet. That was a Bill Simmons note. The pod. Changing to Yon. Can't both be Danny and the pod. And now neither of them has to be. It's Hyphitz and DK. Yeah.

Hopper. A little hopper resurgence. Sure. Starting with true romance. The hopper size. I would argue that the blue velvet Hoosier's thing is what puts him back on the map. That in 86 he makes those movies, he gets an Oscar nomination despite being one of the well-known maniacs in Hollywood history. Like literally a crazy person who did crazy shit in the 60s and 70s.

And then he makes this crazy comeback. And then he gets like a 15-year gravy train where he gets tons of studio movie parts. He's true romance speed and war. Waterworld, all back to back to back. I didn't know who, I wasn't like a going backwards movies guy. I knew him from Hoosiers first. It's like, oh, Shooter.

Wait, coach is getting kicked out. Let the shooter take over the team. What's going out here? But he ended up having a nice run. And I would love to say, oh, it should have been somebody else for this part, but I think he's like a home run. Yeah, I mean, I think he's so good at this.

He has like this malevolence that can come out of nowhere, even going back to blue velvet. And an energy that you can see in apocalypse now and see in any of his classic performances that is that kind of like aging method, wildcat, untamed animal. True romance, talking about the Moors.

Yeah, I mean, it's just so special, man. It's just really special to watch. And even though Howard, I'm not even really sure what his ideology was, yeah, or like what the plan was. Like, it seems like... Also, why did he blow up that house? That was in a nice location. You think that was his house?

Whose house was that? It was his house right. He had the chips pushed all the way in. So he blew up his own house just to kill him. That's kind of a crazy house. He was like, he was going to move anyway. That's what Mike Gansy did to get LeBron. It was like just to show you how he and I am.

Blop my own house. Then we got Jeff Daniels who pulls off the double Harry in 1994. He's a dumb and dumber in speed. Kind of a weird moment where like he's slumming it a little. bit, but it makes the movies, both of those movies so much better that, you know, skilled actor Jeff Daniels is in them playing the fourth lead. It's really strange. I think he

in the research, he was basically saying, I didn't realize this movie was good until I saw the movie. Yeah. But I think he was probably like how everybody felt filming season one of Cape Fear. But it turns out it wasn't good. Yeah, it turned out it wasn't good.

But when you watch Cape Fear by about episode five, you can start seeing when each actor loses their will to be in the show. Patrick Wilson by episode 7 is like, just fucking kill me. Just shoot me in the head. Have you stuck with Cape Fear?

No. It's the worst show of all time. But Jeff Daniels was probably like, yeah, I'm doing this Jim Carrey thing. I think it's going to be big. This fucking Dutch guy, this bus movie. I don't know. We wanted John McTiernan and we couldn't get him.

Yeah, I'm only in a few scenes. Like, Keanu's the lead. And then he gives the movie a lot. He really does. He gives it like a credibility. He's got a different tone in his acting style. where everybody else is just like so locked in. Yeah.

And he's like much more laconic and easygoing. Also he gives it the face he makes, which I had later for the most giffable moment from this movie, the, oh my God, I'm fucked face. Yeah. Kind of the OG shamit face. Yeah. Have we addressed how the shamit face needs to be completely retired?

How shamit is now like a god? Have we addressed it where? He is. On any Bill Simmons podcast? Yeah. He got a new contract. Yeah. Yeah, a great deal.

So shamit face got replaced by a Jeff Daniels face? Possibly. Jeff Daniels is about to be exploded into a million pieces face. How do you feel about dumb and dumber and speed, same actor, same year, a couple months apart? Six months apart, I think it was like Christmas and summer? Yeah. I mean, that's like an all-time two fucking weird parts that have nothing to do with each other. That's got to be up there for any great year for any double rewatchables movie actor.

Yeah. Probably really helped dumb and dumber when it was coming out. People were like, oh, guy from speed. Well, yeah, but he was, you know, in terms of endearment. And, you know, he was in a ton of shit. I agree that he's important for this movie. Yeah, he gives it some credibility. He's not in that much.

He's in 30 minutes. Yeah, there's... Him and Joe Morton, I think, give it a lot of credibility. Oh, fuck, yeah. Joe Morton's incredible. Our guy. Yeah. There's a quality to the screenplay.

So Graham Yost writes this. It's his first, I think, produced screenplay, at least. But he was pretty young hot shot. He goes on to do justified and, like, tons of TV stuff. a bunch of movies. But he wrote this script. I think it was almost all on the bus when he wrote his version of it

before it started to go into development. I wouldn't say it's like William Goldman or whatever, but it is a rock solid screenplay. And even though these characters aren't real people, they are perfect movie characters. Yeah. Where you can see, like,

Harry says to Jack, you need to start thinking and not just be so instinctual. guts will get you so far. And by the end of the movie, Jack has to think his way through this situation. And Harry, ironically, dies by being instinctive

and running into a house that he shouldn't run into. And it's like just really good, solid Hollywood screenwriting that's happening while most people are like, that fucking bus is about to jump over a gap. Josh Whedon did some rewrites for it, too. I was looking at Joe Morton's IMDB.

It's just never a bad thing when he's in a movie. He's probably secretly, been in like seven rewatchables. He was just in Ali. Yeah. He's great, Ollie. I think he's really good in this movie.

He doesn't have a lot of lines, but he's got great reactions. I love when the bus jump happens and they cut them and he's just like, fuck yeah. And when like this goes like, you're all fired. And then I had a, yeah, the screenwriter

director, The Score by Mark Mancina. Dun-da-da-da. Dun-dun-dun-da-da. Yeah. hired in part because he was coming off of being basically Hans Zimmer's number two on True Romance. And they were like, I want some of that energy in this movie.

And then the only other thing I had for the intro was just favorite, like I'm in L.A. movies. It's weird because this movie's, it's basically L.A. under attack. But it's some nice different snapshots of, we're in Venice, we're near the airport, we're on all the different highways. We're in downtown. We end in two different spots in different. downtown. We're using the trolley. We're using the bus. I fantasize about being able to get off

that exit going to the airport with not a single car on the highway. That is one of the worst places in the universe. I think you have to do it at three in the morning if you want to have that kind of experience. Well, that was literally the only positive of COVID that I could think of driving to the airport. Other than having more family time. No, just no traffic. Just flying around. So it was no traffic then more family time? Family time when a traffic would be. then no other happy things. Speed 1 and two Oscars? Yeah, sound, right?

Sound and best sound effects editing. Yeah. Who are the favorites to share, Sean? The Odyssey is going to dominate all the below-the-line stuff. Also, they've combined those two categories, just so you know now it's just best sound. They no longer do sound editing.

Do you think Odyssey will be... They have best stunts, right? I think that's next year. Next year. Yeah. Okay. I'm already emotionally prepared. It's a lot like the Pat's Super Bowl

or deep down, I kind of knew we're going to lose of Matt Damon being the favorite for seven months, then losing for Best Actor. He's going to lose to Andrew Scott in a movie called Elsinore that I've not yet seen. But I can already see... I already... I'm just looking at all this. This is what we were talking about with...

It's going to be so devastating. It's going to be... She's going to win, and I'm like, no, she's not. We're not a run. We said she's the favor right now, but we also haven't seen 80% of the movies. Right. Yeah.

I got to talk about this for nine months, so I don't want to get ahead of myself. But I can, for whatever reason, in my bones, I'm like, this Andrew Scott thing is going to happen. I don't know. I don't know why I feel that way, but I do. It's the fucking helmet catch for the Oscars for Boston fans. It's like, Maddie D.

Here it comes. Boston people. And the nominees are. We got this. He's one ass. This kid Odysseus. Motherfuck is. You're treating Matt Damon like Kurt Schilling on the Red Sox is so weird.

He's a Boston team. both of our guys started out from Boston. Has Joe Maz weighed in on The Odyssey yet? Oh, wow. That's a great question. I'm surprised. It is a real.

I'll watch this 10 times in a row. What if I had Allison just asked Joe Maz, don't want you on, doesn't want to tuck NBA. Just wants to talk Odyssey. No, re-town. Retown. The retail of Joe Mas. That's the one who watches over and over again, right?

If you did the town with Joe Maz in live in Boston, you could probably sell out the garden. Right? After watching Shane Gillis sell 76,000 football stadium Did he really? Yeah, he sold out the fucking football stadium Philly, that makes sense.

All right. Settled out. Cut of a dig. $35 million budget for this movie made 350. Bang. Pretty good. Fifth biggest 1994 movie. 1994, banger, banger year.

I don't have the list. Do you have the list? Do you have the list of what was above it? Oh, I can look. I'll look after we do the break. In 94 is Pult. Yeah. Biggest touchdown of the whole pod.

Roger Ebert, four fucking stars. I knew it. Speed is an ingenious wind-up machine. Smart and bent of thriller. We've seen this done before, sell them so well. And then he said, films like speed belong to the genre

called bruised forearm movies because you're always grabbing the arm of the person sitting next to you. Great line. He reused that line on the TV show. I watched him, Siskel and Ebert talk about this last night. this is what struck me. They both love the movie, right?

This was like a critically acclaimed summer blockbuster, which is a very rare thing. They talked about the movie for less than two minutes and then went on to the next movie on the episode. If this movie came out today, we would have done, I would have done at least three episodes of the big picture about this movie.

I would have found a million ways to cover it. It was kind of fascinating to think about the fact that what our media was that was supporting movies, it didn't require all that much to get people to get up and go to see the movie. Would you do one good blurb on a bus for speed? Sure.

Yeah. I've been on an LA City bus before. Yeah. It's one blurb. It's not one good blurb. My bad. One blurb. Yeah.

As the executive producer of one blurb, I don't mean to. You still want it to happen. You just come out of the theater. Sean Fantasy. Just saw The Odyssey. Does he have to introduce himself on his own social handles every time? Yeah. Okay.

Hey, guys, it's me, Sean Fennacy. Yeah. Just saw The Odyssey. Just test drive it. A magnificent reinterpretation. Fuck you, Emily Wilson. Sign off. Boom.

Boston's son is coming home. Listen, you guys think I'm kidding. So top eight domestic, 94, Forrest Gump. Lion King. Yeah. Yeah. Saw that on a date. Did you just date?

Good day. No, we were dating at that point. Real date. Speed and Lion King were in the same Cisco and Ebert episode. These are two of the most. How long did they talk about Lion King? More minutes. Okay.

Santa Claus still have a. seen it. The Flintstones, which made $130 million somehow. I still don't understand that. Dumb and dumber, clear and present danger. Speed, the mask, pulp fiction. Sick. Of the in-year releases.

Director of the Masked Chuck Russell just passed away. Awesome movie. But then there's a whole bunch of... Wow. 94 was, we've done a lot of these. A couple disappointing ones, too. Like what? Cop 3, I'm still coming to grips with how bad that was. I mean, Shawshank is 94.

Shawshank's 94. A lot of good stuff. Is JFK 94? What year's JFK? 92? 92. We didn't know how well were you eaten in 92, 93, and 94. We're going to take a break.

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available on plus and pro plans. Most watchable scene. This movie has 25 minutes in an elevator and you always forget when you start watching it. The opening 23 minutes, holy fucking shit, this goes so hard. That's my only note. The one scared lady not wanting to come out of the elevator. Yeah. That would be Sean.

Come on. Yeah, Sean would be like, no. Fuck that. First guy jumping out. Yeah, Sean would be like, the people out. So I just had, I did a really cool interview that hasn't run yet on the pod with Patrick Fishler,

who is the guy who, you know, who is a very well-known character actor, now who's in this movie. This is his first credit in a movie. He's the guy who's getting picked on in the elevator where he presses the button. Yeah, and we had a awesome conversation about the arc of his whole career, but he talked about getting cast in this movie

in that interview where he was just like, yeah, Jan liked me. And that just like set me off on a that guy run for my car. Did he have any memories of like how they shot the elevator scene or anything? Yeah, we talked about it a little bit. I mean, it obviously wasn't as exciting as it looks in the movie. But he was just kind of blown away because it was his first like really big

movie set that he was participating in making the movie. DeBan got the idea from working on Diehardt. And I always thought elevator shafts were scary and was like, what if we did this? Can I just throw one of my favorite unintentional comedy moments is in, like, in that office building before they get on the elevator, the way that all the actors are about to go on this elevator ride to hell. But they have to do 10 seconds of like, great meeting, Dick. I thought the blueprints for that building were excellent. Actually, you know, but you know you're in what's going to be an awesome movie because in that scene, it's not. like the camera set up on a tripod far away.

It's like the camera is like spinning around in that meeting room and you're like, holy shit. Like, Yon DeBahn is on. I think this project's going to be a rousing success. Crazy Dutch guy. And then you think the elevator's over, but then we're in the freight elevator. Yeah.

And we're doing that whole thing. Great stuff. First bus blows up. That gives us the pop quiz hot shot. Do you think of Howard shooting them out in the freight elevator and then taking Harry hostage as a separate scene?

Or is that all the same scene? I think freight elevator is its own scene. Yeah, I think there's three scenes within the first 25. It's like the people in the elevator, the freight elevator, and then the basement with the hostage situation, shoot the hostage. The freight elevator also is a great moment when they were like trying to figure out if he's in the building.

And Daniels was like, I think there's a freight elevator. And Keanu's like just on the run, ready to roll. First bus blowing up. The pay phone. We're going to have to do some nitpicks as we go through. the movie, but bus blows up. Jack's getting coffee in the morning. You know, just

talking to the bus driver. She's just ready to start the day. Yeah. This bus blows up. He chases it. Now it blows up again. Now it's on fire. We don't know how many people are on, but the driver's definitely dead. And the payphone starts ringing. And Jack's just like,

pay phone. I should get that. I just don't. He has a feeling. He has a bad feeling. He's an instinctual. Police officer. And then Hopper has it figured out so that the bus is going to blow up and roll to the spot where these two pay phones are and banking that Jack's going to run after it. I'm going to say 100 to 1.

Does Hopper have eyes on the bus blowing up in some way? He must have had the camera. He's right by there. He's nearby. He's calling on his cell phone like down the street. Okay. Because you can see the flames and the windshield of his car. Are you answering a pay phone right there or no?

Well, I mean, I think that for kicks, like, like, Back in the day, I used to answer... For kicks? Yeah, like, if you were, like, hanging out and smoking a cigarette with your friends and the payphone rang, sometimes you would pick it up. What are you talking about? Would you not ever pick up a payphone that was ringing? No.

What if it was for somebody? You need it? No, not to be like pop quiz hot shot, but to be like, what's up? You never know what if fucking Sandra Bullock was calling, you know? Okay. I wouldn't do that. Well, this got stolen for basically every video game where somebody's on a run or doing a mission. It's like, how the pay phones were doing it.

There's a whole movie. called phone booth. It is based on this feeling, this vibe of what happens in the movie. I have a quick question about this scene that I'm very... Another speed rip-off. It is.

I'm not... What's up with him forgetting his muffin? What do you mean? He gets coffee and a muffin. And then the guy behind the counter is like, hey, Jack, you forgot your muffin. And then, like, so Jack turns around. And at first you're like,

okay, so maybe this is so that he doesn't, like, get on the bus or something, but he's never going to get in the bus. He drove there. I think it's just supposed to be a slice of life. Like, this guy, he likes a muffin, but sometimes he forgets it. Sometimes he's thinking about maybe like...

Like Sandy having the morning dart. Same thing. Follow-up question. Is Jack Treven the kind of guy who eats a muffin? I was asking my wife about that. It's like an egg sandwich. Yeah. Like, where are we at with muffins, like popularity-wise?

I feel like they're really falling out of favor, especially at your special to coffee shops. But some of the donuts came back. Yeah. Well, I feel like the PR for muffins is bad because now everybody's like, well, this isn't good for you. You can't eat bad. Well, they're like it's 3,500 calories.

And it's like... And sugar. Yeah. So you're going to crash. The thing now that that has been going on is the PR for bagels is out of control and they've convinced like hot people that eating a bagel in the morning is totally fine. Yeah. That we've made the yeast better and it's actually better for you. Courage and Layla bagels and all these like fancy bagels spots.

It's like you see these like women in workout clothes at 8 a.m. having a bagel. I've been team bagel for a long time. So this is huge for me. You know, the fact that I can eat a bagel sandwich. Craig just went like full nithia. That's why I'm going to change your way. You should run. You should run for me.

You would win in a lateh slide. Courage and Layla bagels, though, both. They're great. Both home runs. Eastside, we got Morse, we got Bills. You know, like, starting the day with a bagel every day now because of, like, the PR spent on bagels. It used to be like a hungover Sunday morning.

You have a bacon, egg and cheese. It's like basically having pizza. Start your Tuesday with a bagel off. I'm a tourist guy from the East Coast, man. You don't know about Bagellas. I don't know. We eat bagels every Saturday. Love the bagels.

next scene, Sandy gets on the bus, Sam holds the bus for her. Makes her run a little bit, though. You can see her. She has to throw down the dart. Hops on, sits next to Conor Roy. Would you seek out a woman smoking when you were a young man? I would have filed it away.

But, like, when you saw a woman smoking where you're like, you're going on the list, I'm interested. No, it's more, it's fellow traveler. What did it tell you? It's like you're outside, you have the smoke, She has a smoke break. Or you're outside a bar. You're, you know, like, do you have a light?

It's just like a icebreaker. Got it. It's like when Cruz, he's a fellow Scientologist. He's like, how does he know they're a Scientologist? You should talk later about the Thetons. We're cutting that. We're trying to get Cruz on the report.

No, keep it. So she gets on the bus. Keep it. That's no secrets. She gets on the bus. Us. Keanu Hobson is 1974 Broncos sport.

God damn, that's a nice car. One of the best cars ever. Not a car I'd want to chase down a busson though. No. Yeah. Rickety, a little wobbly. Gets in finds, they won't let him on.

It gets Glenn Plummer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Out of nowhere. Toon Man. Hops into the Jaguar, figures that I get on the bus. It's just a wonderful seven minutes.

Probably does it need to strike. the two doors on the side of the car, that felt like he was going a little extra. So I think that... There's a cool move. The elevator's great. The bus blowing up is great. When he opens the car door

and slams on the brakes to smash off... To almost start a 40 car accident? That's when... That's when the prayer circle starts. They just did that. He's doing tricks on it. That just happens. That's just a real thing that they did

while making the movie. There's a couple of things. I don't want to step on grade shot order. but it's not that important of a category. There's a couple of shots in this where I'm like, so what was take two going to be? Did you guys have another Jaguar with the exact same Jaguar with a door?

Dutch directors. Yeah. Dutch directors. Dutch directing and soccer. Just think about this. This 12 months in Jan de Bonn's life is he shoots basic instinct as a cinematographer. He's the man behind the camera

for the most notorious scene of the 1990s. He finds the key late. Yes. And then he makes speed. This guy is fucking crazy. And then he's like, what's next for me? Twister, cows are going to be flying in the air. Truly.

Stay on or get off. Mm-hmm. Really good one. Right. I forgot to mention it's not a re-watchable scene, but I love when the guy, the criminal on the bus thinks Jack's there for him and just shoots Sam. Yeah. Always fun when somebody just gets randomly shot but lives in an action movie.

The old. the old lady blowing up. Moving Sam off the bus and then Beth Grant's character getting blown up is one of my favorite moments in the movies in the 90s. I sent you screenshots of this last night. I have to, Annie!

You can see it cuts to her and she's like, oh, like almost like a crack addict. I got to say the fucking guy who should be exiled to Siberia is the one cop who's like, come on. Yeah. It's like,

This is, like, widely communicated that they're not allowed to get off the bus. What are you tempting these people for? Just jump, lady. The bus jump. This movie just does not let up. Every time we're like, oh, let's get some backstory. It's like, nope, next problem. It's amazing.

They didn't finish the bridge. What do you mean? He shoots at like the charge of the light brigade too, where it's like Joe Morton watching the bus go off as like the sun is starting to crest. And it's like. So we, I mean, we might as well do the nitpicks for this now. This is probably the most unrealistic, great scene in the history movies. But physically possible. Wow.

I wish I'd prepared for that. The bus goes up. If there is an incline, there is physically possible. But when you look at how they do it, it's pretty straight. I read on Reddit. They're R-slash physics. I read on Reddit. I know, but I went to like a real Reddit board.

Sure. Oh, yeah. Not one of these fake ones. They did a MythBusters episode. Yeah, they did this. Yeah, they did this. And here's what we found out. It was impossible under real-world conditions was the legacy of this.

And your face are physics. All they're saying is that it's kinetically possible. You know what I mean? I think the ramp would have to be like this. Yeah. It looks like it hits something that kind of pops the nose up. It does. It was like when you'd go over like a little hill with your BMX bike.

You'd be like, oh, got a little jump. So this was a little crazy Dutch thing where he heard about that there was a space between the two highways. It was like, Ville do a jump! And they just do it. There's YouTube. You should do him as gold member. Like, do you think he just talked to my gold member? I love speed.

We'll do it jump. They do two tries. The bus collapsed the first time. There's YouTube video of it. Yeah, the bus lands and just like. Yeah. They were like, it would be basically like the submersible. Yeah.

It's like, wow. And then the second one was two days later. It went further than they thought. And there was a camera where the bus was supposed to go right into the camera. But the bus went further and destroyed the camera. So they had to use the side shot. But that fucking crazy Dutch Jan had this like awesome bus coming at the camera. Camera's gone.

Incredible. So anyway. I think that became the most famous. part of this movie, though. The most disgust. I agree. So it's just such a great in the theater or re-watching moment

if you forget it a little bit where you're like, like, they're like, there's a gap in the road ahead and you're like, what the fuck? Really? Yeah. How are we going to get out of this one?

They didn't finish the highway. Yeah. The chopper shot of you see the gap. Yeah. Same thing from when they do the turn when they're getting the highway ramp and it's like, we're not going to make it. And he's like, everybody get on the,

this side of the bus. It's like, fucking smart. It's great. It's just killing it. who's like, we're not going to make it. He's like, shit, we're not going to make it. I will say if there was a gap in the road in Los Angeles, everyone would know about it

because that highway would be shut down for a period of time. That would be common knowledge amongst Angelinos. They're making the 105-110 interchange at this. Is this like the beginning of the 105? Yeah. Jack on the pulley thing going under the bus when Joe Morton says, don't get dead. Yeah.

Does the gas screw move? And I just think he's, he does. There's some movie magic with this one, too. I think Jack under the bus is just going to, it's just going to not work. When that bus is, like, bouncing, I don't think he makes it, but it's fine.

It's a little bit of, like, indie under the truck. I would like to also know, like, how close they were, we were to losing Keanu Reeves during the shooting of this scene. Who insisted on doing all of his stuff? Yeah, and who's like, I don't really understand how they're shooting it if it's not incredibly dangerous. It seems like he's going fast.

Yeah. Um, good Joe Morton. How many lives you got, man? Yeah. Uh, Harry blowing up. I love the way that scene is shot, though, where you see them surrounding the house and they go inside. Yeah. Why do you think, though, I don't know if this is not an answerable question or not, but why does Hopper's character put a bomb that has like a light and a timer?

Like, obviously it's for the audience, but if you had a bomb in the house, wouldn't you just like press the butt? You don't need to, like, indicate to the people. It was motion censored. Yeah. Oh, is it motion sensor? I thought it triggered. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Got it. Bus escape. Getting all the passengers off, but it's just them. It's just Jack and Annie. And then he figures out, we'll open that little hatch. And we'll just zoom out from the bottom of the bus. Again, this is 100 to 1 odds. You're pulling this one off.

I don't know how long in the runtime would be, but if they had just ended the movie with them kissing. as the... Yeah, we're probably fine. Are we better off as a country? It's a great 88 minutes. I think it's 132 or so thereabouts. Come on, dog.

That would have been just good stuff. I know you have to go get Howard. Where do you guys stand on the giant plane blowing up in this scene? That's fucking... Were people in the plane? Do you remember when we talked about... Was anyone...

I don't think anyone... The implication is that it's a freight plane being refueled. Yeah, it's being serviced. And the guy who is the refueling truck driver does run away. It did remind me a lot of... Do you remember when we... did diehard 2

and we were like, holy shit, they blew up that plane and die hard too. Like, you could never do that in a movie ever again. 300 people just get killed. But like in three years later, they just did it again in this movie. Relationships that start under intense circumstances never last. Yeah, great quote. Dennis Hopper

dies. Yeah, but I'm taller. I have some thoughts about that. Just quick, sidebar. My favorite TV or movie decapitations ever. Here are my top four. Game of Thrones Hereditary

Black rain and speed Got it For best one I'm gonna go criteria orgasm here and say Kurosawa's Ron Incredible decapitation Yeah

Bloodsburg Fucking waterfall of blood Yeah And the subway crash ending Just True love from Keanu He's like You know what

If we're going down We're going together If I can get out of this And we don't die I'm definitely having sex With her tonight I gotta roll the dice I've been putting in foreplay for eight hours, seven hours, whatever.

This is the, I just got to do it. I got to find out how this is. This is sort of a Z. Watanio thing, but when do you think Annie lights up after this movie? Like, what, at what point is she like, God damn it, I need a new port? By the way, why wasn't she lighting up when they end up in downtown LA and she's like, I'm going to take a little walk? Why wasn't that a smoke break? Yeah.

What are we doing? Honestly, on the bus, you could just be like, if I'm fucking, light him if you got them, you That would have been a way to get rid of Conor Roy. Spending a lot of time on cigarettes here, guys. It made her be more attractive. What was the most rewatchable scene? Controversially, I think it's the elevator scene for me this time around. I rewatched the mechanics of it and how they shot that.

It's just a deep cut. Yeah, it's, I think I... That's like you being like Nirvana. Yeah. Smells like Teen Spirit wasn't the best song in a album. It's actually this one. It's just this time around, it was so fun to watch that and think about how. they did it.

Sean? I think in the theater, the most euphoric moment was the bus jump and Joe Morton doing the fist pump. But re-watching the movie, I don't know. I really like them getting Sam off the bus and then Beth Graham getting blown up.

I have Keanu getting on the bus initially in that whole chase scene. And I, underrated when Glimbummer drives into the water things, I've always kind of secretly wanted to do that. Hit one of the water jugs?

Yeah, just to see the water fly up. Like, if you're ever going to crash, would you wear a seatbelt for that? Bill Simmons, famed sports writer and podcast who tragically died last night after driving his car directly into a water tank. That's how you and Salisian. That should be the punishment for your fantasy league.

Just drive into those things of 40 balls there? Drive 90 balls per hour. What do you have for most rewatchable? I think it's Jack under the bus for me on the little sled. This means it means it's a good movie when we have four separate rewatchable scenes. No question.

Let's take another break. I did check on chat GBT decapitation scenes just to make sure I didn't miss anything and I think I'm now on a government watch list what'd you find

there were some other ones but I thought I had the right for faces of death did that come up did chat GPT recommend Kurosawa's wrong no okay that's why you're here only you can do that

what's the most 1994 thing about this movie I'll give you five choices Let me know if I missed anything. Starting a movie with three minutes of credits and graphics? It just doesn't happen anymore. Yeah, it feels longer than that. We just start with movies now.

You know, like this is like this decade, we're off. This movie now, we're just in the elevator. And yet somehow every movie now is 30 minutes longer than it was back when this movie came out. No cell phones, no social media, obviously. Young Keanu and young Sandra Bollick, like, can't be, we've spent 35 years of these people at this point. no homeless people under the highway underpasses or in Pershing Square has to be mentioned. And then all this time we're spending on the L.A. freeways,

but nobody makes an OJ joke is the most 90s. Is it in my opinion? Yeah, it's shot in 93. Oh, okay. I just feel like if this movie's a year later, there's three OJ jokes. Like Connor Roy is saying,

I think I just saw the white Bronco. Or... Alan Rock? Amy's like, maybe we should have gotten out Cowlings to drive the bus. Like, we just would have... Nice. They would have been very self-referential about that. They're just not.

What did you have? You missed one. The nickname for the 1993 Arizona Wildcats defense was Desert Swarm, featuring Teddy Bruske. You know, I researched this because it felt weird that he went with Arizona football and that Arizona basketball. They were like 10 and 2. 10 and 2 and 93.

Pretty good. Yeah. But Lude Olson was there by 93, right? And Arizona had made the final four in, like, 88. Isn't Sean Elliott, like, Oregon in the 80s? It is the time when that is really starting to happen, right? The football team was going, though. I have one more.

Yeah. Just not thinking about being surveilled at all. It's kind of, you could say that age the worst, but I like that the best where it doesn't even occur to Jack that there might be a camera in the bus that is keeping an eye on him. because it's a time when you don't, you know, you don't just like get a speeding ticket from a camera on a flashlight, on a traffic light.

Would you have for Floyd Gundaw, he's butter on my ass, while it pops in my mouth or something you just enjoy it? Okay. One is anytime a high concept movie has a ticking clock convention. So, like, there are a lot of movies in the 90s that are riffing on this. We already mentioned phone booth. Nick of Time is like this.

Panic Room is like this. Captain Phillips is kind of like this, where you're, like, stuck in a place and there's a certain amount of time before something goes by. But the thing I really like that is really simple is the way that Keanu holds a handgun with two hands and like pivots and turns the way that a police officer always does. And he has been using this move in the Wic movies.

And this is where he learned to do it. It's not point break. It's in this movie. When he goes down into the subway and he's looking for Hopper, great shit. What do you have? For Gondoli? Yeah.

The Hans Zimmer JV soundtrack of... Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan. It's just like you could put this. that over playing a video game, making like a hamburger, you will feel epic if you're doing it. What if that should be the new rewatchables theme song? Anytime we do an action.

My wife and I have been all week, we've just been like randomly, been like, dun, da, da, da, da, da, da. It's so good. You want to license Mark Mancina's score from speed for the theme song? I'll just ask Mark later. Okay.

See what he's doing. I have to as well. Anytime we have to repeatedly cut to something, like the speed limit here, where it's like, oh, we're at 50. Oh, we're back up to 55. Uh-oh, we're dropping down to 51 again.

And it's just like the easiest to keep you locked in on the tension of the movie. You could just do it forever. But my number one is the crew of super annoying people waiting to be saved that I'm supposed to be rooting for. But an hour in the movie, I'm like, fuck these people. Yeah. Like the lady who ends up dying. Connor Roy. Yep.

The fucking criminal. Like half of these people, the ones. the one that figured this out the best as a movie we'll do at some point in the rewatchables probably when we're in the 700s daylight with Slice Stallone where he's trapped in this tunnel he breaks into the tunnel to save everybody

and they're so fucking annoying they're like giving him shit the moment he shows up and you just want everyone to die and I like when they do this isn't Paul Gilfoyle in Air Force One like this where he's like the secretary of state but he's the most annoying guy of all time Yeah, who does Rebhorn play?

He's like a secretary or something in Independence Day. He keeps trying to get him to nuke Atlanta. Yes. What stage is the best? We mentioned young Sandy and young crew cut Keanu. The Clooney-Keyano haircut. The Buzz. Cluny did it for ER where he kind of pushed it forward,

but that had a moment. I tried it out. Mentioned the score. Incredible gum-chewing Keanu performance in this movie. Gum-chewing is like a character to kind of figure out. out what's going on with him. Bullock learned to drive the bus

passed. He had another thing. Didn't actually have a cigarette puff, but did drive the bus. Probably one of those days to be like, man, it's so fun to be an actor. I just get to go practice driving a giant bus. I read that she passed on her first try.

Hoppers, quote, poor people are crazy, Jack, Amacentric. Yeah. Yeah, that's coming up later for me. Yes. Jack's Ford Bronco, 1970. How about a former cop with a grudge?

Is that ever not worked in a movie? I mean, specifically a former bomb squad cop who's got his hand taken off or crossed a digit. Former blank with a grudge? Did that work for podcasters? It's a former failed podcaster with a grudge. Got to treat CR nicely. You don't want to find out. Careful with his sixth or season.

I'm trying to trade and beat on me. CR's furious about the watch 20 years later. All I got was this watch. this is my favorite, I think, the criminal who shoots Sam and his handcuffed to the bus, but then they unhandcuff him. By the end, he's just part of the team.

He's like, sorry to me to shoot him. Are there charges? Like, he shot somebody. Is the police waiting for him? You just throw away everything? What happens? Also, like, what did he do? You know?

Stan or get off just as using that as a Woods Age the best going forward with Pop Pop Quiz Hot Shot. Those two things moved into the Lexcom for a while. Pop Quiz Hot Shot had a 20-year run. It was crazy.

All the stuff about Reeves being performing his own stunts, Kianu, including the Jaguar to the bus jump. I never know what's apocryphal and what's not with some of this stuff, but it really did seem like he did most of this. I was going to ask this some possibly unanswerable questions, but how fast do you think the traffic was actually moving?

So if the bus is going 50, like, did you think, is it actually going like 35 or 30? Like, how fast do you think Keanu was going in that Jaguar? It looks like he's going 75. Yeah, it feels like at least 60. I don't know how you could actually do that at that speed with the actual actor. I mean, he's the star of the movie. It had to be slower than that.

Yeah, that's why I always wonder as the years pass, like, yeah, he did all his stunts. can kind of just say anything. He's... I do do all my research for the rewatchables myself. You do? Yeah.

I do. It shows. Thanks. No help. It shows. Bill does all his research. Do you think... So, Keanu, I think, is one of the only actors of all time

to have a legitimately great action movie in four consecutive decades. Yeah. I think Eastwood is probably in the mix there. I couldn't really think of anybody else. Ford. Maybe Harrison Ford. Yeah, Harrison Ford.

It's like how Charlie's throwing. has looked fucking smoking hot in a movie for four straight decades. Same thing. Because what, Cruz doesn't have an 80s one? I mean, Top Gun is kind of an action. Top Gun. Yeah. Cruz doesn't count.

Cruise is on the list. I don't know. I'm not sure Cruz is alive. What are you doing? Cruz might just not be, he might be alien species. Are you zagging on Cruz? You can't compare him anything. This would be an interesting zag from you is just like I'm out on Cruz in 2026.

Yeah. Yeah. Fuck him. I want Jesse Plymins to come on for Digger. How about that? Yeah. I believe a lot of the Kianu stunt stuff because the John Wick guys are like,

we have to drag him kicking and screaming to do it with stunt guys. Well, it's also like he's like, I have chronic back problems from all the fucking times I've fallen off of things. Yeah. I have two more really good ones, but what do you have for what's such the best? I already mentioned the pre-CGI era of action filmmaking.

Yeah. And it's just incredible. there is a shot of when Jack and Harry go up on the roof of the skyscraper to attach the elevator to the crane and there's a shot of downtown Los Angeles and you're like they are on top of a fucking skyscraper like this is really happening

and it's that kind of versimilitude or like that feeling of heightened reality that I think movies sometimes miss now so that's kind of aged the best for me also basically people in Venice dress like Jack and Annie now which is just like cool work pants, t-shirt, probably costs like $500, and then her

socks are back in, actually, I think. The little frilly ankle socks. If I could pull off Jack's haircut, I would do it in a heartbeat. That's the most manageable haircut in the universe. It's like half of a Caesar. Do it. Cut your hair off. I should have been cool. You like that, wouldn't you? No, I just think it would be cool. I want to see you go for, like,

I want you to go blonde for like the next season or something crazy. I always wanted to. Platinum. I like Jeremy Sohan style. Sean's second year at Grant Lane when he had like the weird beard. Oh, yeah. That's fun. Every once in a while,

I'll beard up. It's pretty cool. It's all white now, though. For the Woodstage the best on cranes, it's been an action movie thing before where they tie something to like a crane or something,

but then the thing, the bolt comes out. I love when it bends. And it starts bending or they, and it's always, it always works. The sound design when it bends is just like, oh, that's not good.

Also, just like, it's gonna hold. It's got to hold, you know. All right, my two favorite, Wood Sage is the best. Alan Ruck being in this movie,

movie, maybe, this whole new appreciation post-success of you're watching it, just pretending it's Connor Roy, like it's a young Conner-Roy taking the bus for some reason, and then breaking the phone out, being like, the conheads would really love this furniture. Just doing the Conner-Roy lines, that's one. I mean, he was Cameron when we saw this movie. You know, that's, he was, he was. Yeah, it was actually like, oh, my God, Cameron, he's alive.

But the one stage is the best for me. There's some iconic Keanu line delivers in this movie. Reach out and take my hand. I'm not here for you. Let's not do this. And then when she hits the cart, Kans. Why do you think he's Arnold Schwarzenegger?

He just stopped saying ours and does this weird. I don't know what it is. And then Harry, tell me some guys. Good news, man. Those are my four favorites. Is that a bad Keanu? I don't know. Now I can't unhear it.

You know, like now I'm going to go back and watch us. Reach out and take my hand. So this is actually my weak link of the film is all of Kianu's punch lines in the movie, where he's being given all of these Arnold lines. Yeah, I feel like they probably even dialed him back. And he's like, but I'm taller. Yeah. What?

You had to do it though. What is that even? An inch maybe? No, you had to do that. that in the 90s. Or when he's like, didn't have anywhere to be just then. You know, like, he's, or he's like, he lost his head. You know, those are all commando lines.

What was the elevator one where it's like the only, the only thing that could stop this thing? It's like, the basement. Yeah. I like it. Can I add to what stage the best? Yeah. I think the premise and the bus would be exactly the same in 2026.

Like, I think it's just still the same situation would happen. I think they would have to use. 30 miles an hour though. Yeah, the traffic anywhere in Los Angeles would necessitate it. It would just the bus would explain. But like bomb under the bus, how do we stop it if it can't go below 50 miles an hour? I'm like, I'm not sure modern technology could do anything about that. I think it's the same.

Howard makes things too complicated. Howard should either do below 50, the bomb, the bus goes up or if anybody tries to get off, the bus goes up. But like making it both things, I would almost, if I was him, be like, you know what, for entertainment sake, if you can get people off this thing going 50 miles per hour, more power to you. Right. I'll blow it up. Or it's like, I'll let you one person an hour

you can let off. How do you decide? Yes. I think Howard. I think Howard was fucking insane, so I'm not sure that that was really in play. What do you have for great check order? So I talked about the door scene, the car door.

But there is a shot when Jack comes out of the coffee shop, puts his coffee on the hood of his car, on the roof of his car. Camera pans around Jack, bus explodes. What the fuck? How many buses do they have? Right. It's not like shot of Jack,

explosion in the background, cut, sees... The bus explodes in the background of a shot. And I also happen to love when the payphone is ringing all of the flames are reflected in the payphone, and it's like, ah, man, Howard's on the phone. But the bus exploding is incredible. There's two that I really like that are somewhat similar, but they show you the scope of the production,

similar to what Chris is describing. One is just when it becomes clear that they have the police escort, and it's just like, it's a low helicopter shot, and you just see the cop cars riding alongside the bus, and it's like a moment of calm

because, like, they've at least figured out, okay, we've blocked off the highways and this is going to be okay for a minute. And then the other one is just the bus going into the fucking jet, and then it explodes. I remember speaking to the years

and be like, what the fuck? That's crazy. How did this movie cost $30 million? Yeah, I would have thought that would have cost $30 million. How did they blow up the jet? Must have been like,

a broken jet. I don't know. I like when Jack and Annie are the only two left in the bus and everybody else gets off. And they do that shot of the other bus with all the passengers. It's kind of going away and they're all in the window kind of watching them. Yeah, effective.

That's good. Or it's like, yeah, we don't know what's going to happen. Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders are our best character name. Sam the bus driver. I don't know. Officer Jack Traven and Detective Harry Temple is we can't do better in the 90s. Jack Trav... Did Keanu seem like a Jack Trayvon?

It's a perfect cop name. Does he seem like a Jack Trayvon? No. He does to me. What's his name in Point Break? Johnny Utah. Johnny Utah, yeah. He's always got the very short names.

John Wick. Johnny Utah. Jack Trayvon. They're all riffs on John. Was there a better title for this movie? It was originally called Minimum Speed. Minimum Speed? Minimum Speed.

I was thinking about this. What would you think if the movie was called Jack Traven? And it was the first in a line. of Jack Treven movies. I think that they were hoping for that after the success of this movie. I'm zagging the other way. I'm going to ask you guys the greatest title ever for an action movie. First Blood, Terminator, Die Hard, Cliffhanger, Face Off, Underseizure Speed.

I think Die Hard's pretty tough. Those are seven fucking bangers. Die Hard's the best, though, right? Die Hard are lethal weapon. Those are both good. The Terminator is a great title, though. It is. How about to live in Die in LA?

Yeah, it's a pretty good one. But those are just great ones. I think speed's a great title. What if it was 50 miles per hour or 50 MPH? Or 50? Sure. You can't drive parentheses lower than 50. That's pretty good.

What do you have for Flex? It's a book about medals award for the belatedly best quota exchange for, you're fucking crazy. No, poor people are crazy, Jack. I'm eccentric. Real Hopper. Also kind of funny that there's a lot. This bomb squad guy is like class consciousness.

So yeah, I like that. Speaking of hopper, Hans Gruber scale, villain ranking? Pretty high. Way up there for me. Eight and a half? Yeah. Rickman's a 10? I think just for the fact that Howard is not physically imposing,

maybe like a point or two down, but in terms of... Eighth a half feels like the right number. What do we have for the Sean Fentasy Award for Criteriorogism? Name on the truck used by the terrorists in Die Hard and Die Hard with a vengeance is Pacific Courier, and the plane destroyed by the exploding bus and speed has the logo Pacific Courier

Freight. On its side, this is an in-joke by production designer Jackson Degovia. That's very funny. Wow. Butch's Girlfriend Award, weak link of the film. It's the bus jump, but I don't this movie has no weak link, so I don't know. You think that's a weak link of the movie? Well, it's just

I wish it was going up when they jump. It's just the physics of it. Every time you watch, you're like, all right. So, I love the bus jump. In the original screenplay, I think, or at least I didn't read it, but the accounts of it are that Harry is the villain, that the Jeff Daniels character. Had that in unanswerables.

And at the end of the movie, I think you can kind of feel like now we have, because like the movie should kind of conclude with them getting off the bus. And then they're like, shit, we have to go get Howard. And they can't just do Jack and Howard. So they bring Annie downtown, which is like a huge fucking, like, what are you talking? Why would you do that?

So I just think that there. The weak link is the need for an additional 25 minutes to, like, settle this movie because it was maybe written with a different villain in mind. Yeah. So. Yeah. I think the first 90 minutes are, like, perfect. The last 20 are good. Maybe not, like, amazing.

Like, I felt like Howard's whole speech about, like, bombs need to go off. This is what bombs do. I was like, oh, this feels forced a little bit. Yeah. I have some picking minutes around that sequence as well. What's age the worst? Did you have a butcher's girlfriend weak link, Sean, or no? I already mentioned Keanu's punchlines.

But I'm taller. Okay. Give me your hand. What stage's the worst? Dennis Hopper running. It's true. Not as bad as Nicholson running in The Departed, which I watched recently and forgot how fucking funny it was.

When does he run? He runs at the end when they have the SWAT thing. Right. Nicholson's like has no vertebrae. Um, I have a couple more, but what would you have for this? Dennis Hopper watching college football

on a weekday. Yeah, in the morning. It's like, come on, just ask the sports, sir. Could have just clean that up for you.

I had that in picking nits. Like, is he watching highlights? Because he goes like, yeah, he's watching games. It sounds like he's gambling. Yeah,

so he's gambling on tape delayed college football. Go, go! When do we think this movie happens? Uh, it was shot in late summer to December, right? Oh, what time of year? I think it happens in...

Seems like the fall. In early fall. So it's got to be October. Because Keanu's got the Baja on when he's... But it's not on the weekend because they're going to work. Yeah. So it would have to be a Friday college football game that starts at noon. PST?

Not likely. Sports art could have helped out on this. In 93? Was there a college football game happening at 3 o'clock? Is he watching Mac football? He should have been watching Premier League. You know, Howard's... Howard is a fruitcake. You know, he's just a nut bar.

So who knows what's going on. I text you the guy of this. I have a counter. It seemed like a pretty good hang. Howard? Yeah. Like gambling? Yeah.

Had an early TV setup. Like an ice cold Coke and a sex doll in his house? Yeah. Is the whole soda thing just so there's that one scene where he pees? I think it's so that you also like see his busted hand in action. Yeah. Also like, you know, he got maimed by his duties and didn't feel properly appreciated. This is on it.

and unanswerable, but is he a deaf in one ear? Why does he keep holding the phone on the opposite side of his head? I know he's got his hand blown off on the other side, but why is, every time he holds the phone, he's holding it like this. I gotta say JDB more into blowing up buses than he is being consistent with how injuries affect people over a long period of time.

I think Harry's leg limp changes a couple of times. And then it disappears when by the time they do the SWAT team of the house. He's like vaulting over a window. A lot of continuity errors in this movie. The stereotypical bus crew, Janine Garofalo has a really great half hour that she did in the mid-90s. Remember this?

Which is on HBO. And she does a whole thing about speed about how when they get on, it's the most stereotypical. And she's like, why didn't they just have an Eskimo and an Indian with a headdress? But it's like they check every box

if he was on the bus in like the charactery kind of way. Is that the same special where she's talking about how much she loves NYPD Blue and she's like the cops, they have their badges on the chain. And she's like, Oh, fuck, that's so hot.

Yeah, she's a great special. It's really good. I highly recommend it. Speed 2 with Jason Patrick. Yeah, I had that. It's a one of the most age is the worst. It is one of the most reviled sequels of all time,

and I think it really hurt Jason Patrick's career. Oh, yeah, for sure. And Sandy was unscathed. I also hate the breakup story where it's like, oh, I broke up with Jack because he wouldn't leave the Bomb Squad. I'm like, Jack being in the Bomb Squad is why you're fucking here, baby. like what are you talking about baby

jack's agent you know where you're getting into baby exactly when you signed up with me baby you were gonna have to share me with the farmers

I live my life like speed two never happened yeah I don't watch it that's defoe I remember it's like it really really iconically bad

DFB directed it though right yeah yeah he had to um my last one from Wikipedia. The character of Annie was originally

written as an African-American paramedic to justify her ability to drive the bus. What the fuck does that mean? Keep going. Because she knows how to drive a large vehicle. But what is her being black or white matter? Yeah, but get to the second part of this. You woke down.

That was going to be Hallie Berry? Yes. I just don't understand. Like, why it was written that way. I don't see color. I just thought it was weird That was good Philo this favorite subjover

His black guy, white guy hanging out Would be like, I don't know why Why did she have to be a black lady? Well, it leads to them trying to get Hallibair She would have been good She would have been fucking incredible She would have been good She would have been good

So this is 93-94 Hallibair It's like two years after boomerang Roughly Hannah Rubin and Partridge Overacting Word The Crazy Lady Yeah Helen What do you have for fly?

It was the same as Chris's, but it used it in a different way that Jesse Eisenberg. That's good. You should be proud of that right there. Don't worry if you don't make it any further award for best line reading, which just comes right before when Howard Payne says, do you know what a bomb is that doesn't explode? It's a cheap gold watch, buddy.

Pretty good line. Eisenberg. He's on a heater. Did the smartest? I just saw a preview with the trailer where he's got the Julian Moore. Oh, the debut. He wrote and directed, but he also wrote the lyrics. I'm a little nervous.

Another person who's coming for. for Indy Navarides' Oscars, Julianne Moore. She has one, though. She does for Still Alice, Sierra's favorite movie. Still Alice is good. Yeah, it's all right. And I like the father with Hopkins.

My two favorite. You like when people have Alzheimer's? Yeah. Oh, my God. Interesting. We should do Alzheimer's month on the rewatchables. Are there enough? Let me know.

I'm going to go to fucking London. Still Alice rewatchables would go crazy. That's really. Still Alice, drugstore cowboy. No, my own private Idol. People still talking about

fucked up family February. That was a great month. I loved that. I listened when I was in Hawaii, I listened to the first half hour of our

Kramer versus Kramer podcast. It might have been the peak of the podcast. I don't think I can do better. I don't think I can do better. Was that now who was on that? Yeah.

Yeah. The C.D. Me, me, and Sean, just talking about divorce in profound ways. You just learn a lot

about all of us. Yeah. That was a good one. Yeah. Like that. The CR. thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison for it. How does take a word?

I have a dozy, so I'll go last. Okay. I wonder if a lot of really volatile moments between citizens and cops could be diffused if more cops would just say, I don't know you, man. I don't care about your crime. Whatever you did, I'm sure that you're sorry. So it's cool now. Try it?

Yeah, let's see what happens. Kianu doing. So it's cool now. It does feel like he wrote his own lines. Yeah. I'm putting down my gun to my badge. We're just too cool guys. What do you have, Sean?

This is the last truly great American action movie. And we moved in the CGI. It's no sci-fi, no superheroes, no fantasy elements, no secret societies, no mythology, pure action. You could make the case for Mission Impossible movies. You can make the case for The Rock. I might make the case for The Rock, which I love. You could make the case for ambulance.

You know, which is kind of a similar movie, the Michael Bay movie. Do you think Wic has too much mythology, even the first one? I do. The high table and all that stuff is way too much. So I would offer you a little movie I've seen 10,000 times called Taken as one of the only ones that has kept the legacy. Yeah. Didn't really need CGI. That's true. Matrix has too much stuff out.

Taken moves at a nice pace, which is why it's been such a great rewatchable. I would listen to Bad Boys takes, Mission Impossible takes. I think that makes sense, but this movie feels like it stands on its own. I agree. Well, I'm going true hottest take, old-school definition. Okay. They're better off just letting the bus blow up.

Well, I think that... It's 18 lives. It causes $7 billion worth of damage. I don't know. It's a calculation. Wow. This is shoot the hostage, take them out of the equation. So that would be...

They set it out. Old Jack before he meets the Wildcat is maybe thinking, I'm not getting out, like, you know, but why care? Or, like, maybe we have to take these people. I mean, protect and serve? Yeah, he has to protect and serve, but he's got to protect and serve all of Los Angeles, not just a bus. How many billions of dollars of damage

from this three hours of the bus? I don't want you on the fucking bomb squad, if that's your attitude. Yeah, but I have, like, incredible nerve. I don't get rattled. Uh-huh. I don't. Many people are saying, when are you in high octane? I think it'd be good in the bomb squad.

I think C.R. would be, I think, in the bomb squad. wouldn't know anything technical, but I think I'd keep everybody on level. I'd keep everybody happy. We should do a narrative podcast series about Chris training to be on the bomb squad that ends with him dying, trying to defuse the bomb. I think you'd be good as the guy asking what's, what do you see under there?

Yeah. Green, is there a green wire? Yeah. Can you take that out without cutting the wire? I would be good at that part. Thank you. Appreciate it. Who are you in this scenario, Joe Morton? Yeah, I'm like,

oh, you got nine lines, man. Casting what ifs are incredible for this movie, including Speed being under development and Paramount Pictures with Jeff Speakman attached as Jack. I can't name a single... Do you know what Jeff Speakman is? Action star, right?

He was like a martial arts action star. The three guys who were... Budget Steven Seagall. But like 99 cents store or like Chuck Norris. The three people who are up for Jack tells you a lot about what their expectations for this movie. Well, Stephen Baldwin was one of them.

Yeah, and Richard Grieco, right? Stephen Baldwin was having a semi-moment. He was. He was unusual suspects. Yeah. Richard Grico, I don't, I can't, for the life of me, understand that one.

He said he turned it down. Coming off 21 Jump Street, basically. My favorite is when they have these stories when you research them, and it's like, it's the biggest regret of my career. I would fucking hope so, Richard Grieco.

Really? Really? It's a huge regret? Not being in this one? Not doing summer stage. And they said there's this urban legend thing about how they wrote the female role as like comic relief and it was going to be Ellen DeGeneres. And then everybody's like, that's not true. But it's funny.

The Halle Berry thing is true. She said, she stupidly said no. But when I read it, the bus didn't leave the parking lot. And then there's like a million people who were allegedly up for Annie. I don't know what to believe. I think they wrote like in the movie, in the original script, I think the bus is just like driving around Dodger Stadium or something like that. And it's going to crash into the Hollywood sign. Craig T. Nelson offered the Joe Morton role, but it was filming coach.

Couldn't get out. Too bad. You like coach? Never liked coach. Did you not like coach or you just didn't watch it? I just thought it was bad. I kind of liked it. Yeah?

I watched it. Jack's side kick Harry was going to be played by Ed Harris when he was going to be evil and then they pivoted away. That would have been good. And then he gets to do that in the rock. McTiernan said no. Yep. Reni Harlan said no. Our guy Tarantino said no

because he was finishing Pulp Fiction. But it has regrets. McTiernan does, is it D.H. with a V and then Last Action Hero or vice versa? It's a... Last Action Hero, then D.H. Yeah, because I think like D.H with a V

is almost like the makeup a little bit for Last Action Hero because it didn't perform as well, right? I'm the world's number one last action hero fan. However, I do think if you put McTiernan in the chair on this, it goes from like a 10 out of 10 to a 10.5 out of 10.

Oh. What kind of cap, aside from his legal issues, like it was Medicine Man, right? That kind of capped his career, right? No, like 13th Warrior. Oh, that's right. He made a basic. He made a bunch of movies that didn't work in a row.

Michael Bay wanted to direct, banged on the door, and he had never direct anything. And they were like, no thanks, Michael Bay. I mean, it's probably best that he didn't because I don't know that we would still have Los Angeles. Like, he probably would have, blown up the 10.

And Bad Boys is one year later. Yeah. Joey pants a word for best that guy. Joe Martin is not eligible. I don't think so. Is Glenn Plumler available? Sure. I think so.

He's coming off of menace to society, and it's right before showgirls. So he has like a hot run there. Yeah. My pick was Hawthorne James, who plays Sam, because he is also the security guard in Seven, who turns the music up in the library when Morgan Freeman is researching Dante. That's right. That's a good one.

That's a great call. I had a David Kregel, who's the guy on the bus with the, like, slightly longer hair, who's like, that's your plan? He was in alive. Oh, wow. He's one of the guys? He's one of the rugby players in alive. I have the guy from Blood in Blood in Blood Out who's just amazing in this movie. The guy who's like Jack's helper.

The Gigantor. Yeah. The guy's home run. Like, easily could have spun him off into a second movie. And Fishler, too, I guess. And Fishler, of course. Yeah. Loved him.

Dionne Waiters Award. I think he's eligible for that. as well. Glenn Plummer. Ruck. Ruck, who I think is pretty annoying. I have Morton. Yeah, I think Morton's the answer. I do want to shout out Sam, the bus driver,

pre-shooting. Don't you start with me, Annie! He's doing a couple of, like, just generic bus driver lads. I'll kick you off this bus right now. He's good. Recasting Couching Coucher City, I wouldn't touch it. Of course not.

Could you pull this movie off in New York City? I don't think the highway thing would work. It would just have to go up and down the FDR. Yeah. Or the West Side Highway. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to do a whole Boston thing, but we just don't have the highways in Boston.

Storough Drive. Yeah, it's just, wouldn't have worked. Yeah. I'm just trying to think of the action set piece of trying to get across, you know, the east side to the west side 34th Street and a bus bombing down to New York City Street. Yeah, I mean, in some ways, McTierning kind of plays with that a little bit with some of diehard. Diehard. But, yeah.

Flex? Can I do two quick ones? Do as many as you want. I want to bring back the old... We used to have an old category called like five-word description of the movie. I think you can go down to three. I think it can be bus can't stop.

And there's just a million questions that come from that. Why can't the bus stop? Who's in the bus? Who planned that? Like, you could get in an elevator with an executive in 1993 and you're like, bus can't stop.

I think Dyer on a bus was the pitch and they were like, here's $3 million. You could also say bomb on bus. Same thing for three. Bomb on bus. Yeah. It's good call. I'm also going to give Keanu Reeves the Tom Cruise Award

for the most valiant attempt to emulate a normal human when he goes, University of Arizona, good football team, Arizona Wildcats. And Sandra's like, yeah. It's like the mug smashing unusual suspects.

He's the Kobayashi. Arizona Wildcats. Arizona Wildcats. There's like Sherlock Holmes. Wildcats. I used to sing in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois. Half a certain research,

this was inspired by runway train runaway train diehard and Silver Streak this ending is very similar to Silver Street the train derailing Silver Streak was a huge deal

and just this kind of died I don't know if it's just not on Is that Gene Walder and Richard Pryor? I feel like Jill Claiburg When I was a kid Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor were like the peak of comedy duos

Yeah they made four movies to go Yeah Josh weed We mentioned Oh here's a good one CR Jack is transported in good hue ambulance,

the same ambulance service used in heat. That they blow up. See that shit coming out of their ear, slick? They can't fucking hear! The prosthetic dummy head of Hopper was too realistic when he got beheaded and they had to use a different angle from it because it was too gross. This is really funny. You should mention that.

There have been a couple of beheadings on House of the Dragon this season. and I feel like it's pretty obvious that they're using very fake-looking decapitated heads because I bet if you really let a makeup guy cook he's like I can get you a pretty good looking head. I just saw from Dust Till Dawn at the Academy Museum

and there's a bunch of decapitated heads in that movie and they all look amazing because it's the best makeup crew of all time on that movie. I think they're taking a little bit off their fastball now. We peaked with Charlie probably, hereditary. So good. just an incredibly bad performance by the brother. Brings Charlie to the party.

Does it make sure who food allergies aren't? I'll re-hereditary tomorrow. It's still the best podcast I've ever been a part of. It's incredible. It's where your long-legs voice came from? Oh, wow. Oh, interesting. Here's good research.

Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock develop secret clark crushes on each other during filming. I bet they did. But didn't admit it until decades later on separate appearances of the own degenerous show. I don't believe that for a second. They later appeared in The Lake House together? Yeah. See that one? I'm going to say they climbed in the ring and went a couple rounds.

Climmed in the ring? Yeah. The octagon? I think they laced them up. When you go home today, you should say, Phoebe, you want to climb in the ring? Because remember, they knew each other. They knew each other. They had a history.

They had a history because River Phoenix was doing. in the music movie with her. Canada definitely visited River Phoenix on the set at some point, so it was probably in the radar. Did he definitely do that, or are you just making that out? This is his best friend? Yeah, yeah. Is Sierra going to come visit me when I go to New York next week, just to say hi?

I'd love to. I'd love to, but I'm going to be on a lake. Wow, must be nice. Like the lake house. Yeah, like the lakehouse, yeah. Like the Fredo Lake? Yeah. Who do you think, if you had to hire somebody to take CR out on a canoe,

on his little late, who would it be? Craig. He'd never believe Craig. I was going to say DeBundo. Hey, buddy. I feel like DeBundo would take him out. Oh, Dubondo would be a great one. So what would that have to be my, like, would I do?

He'd know Austin Gale immediately. It would be like, oh, yeah, this is fishing. Yeah. Yeah. But my crime would be, like, what are you doing here? What would my crime be, like, going on part in my take without asking you and then, like, and then, like, I'm on vacation. Yeah.

No, it might be, the crime would be just the year of CR has gotten too big. Too big for taking them out. That's right. We're going to Philly. The Eagles start out 11 and O. Like, it just, this is too much. That should be great for the ringers business, yeah? Just assassinate me.

I think the controversy would do wonders. Yeah. We'd definitely be on the Chiron on ESPN. Sure. Was Chris Ryan assassinated by Bill Simmons? Stephen A is like, that was my brother. I know this is a business And Bill Simmons had to make some tough decisions

But as a fellow Philadelphia legend Do you think you would be acknowledged by any figures In the Philadelphia sports world? Do you think like would Jalen Brown honor you With something on his jersey? I think the Sixers wear black armbands For an entire season If I got fucking killed by Craig Horlebeck

I I think Vijay Etchko will go CR every time we fucking Domoked I was just thinking of the next couple weeks how bad we would be when people who were friends of CR contributes

like this fucking guy, this blogger Yeah, we would be screenshoting tweets and going back and forth Look at this guy What this guy was going to understand is CR had to go down CIR hated this guy Oh my God

Not gonna name any names People post the tributes to you We hated you Let's take another break To Brian Curtis Ritchin now they tell us Chris had a fucking crippling Sterely addiction Alright

Let's take a break Apex Mountain What you guys don't know is Chris Ryan Used to bet on cockfighting How come Edwin Diaz didn't go down for that? Did you notice that? You know, Edwin Diaz? He said he was part of a cockfighting ring?

He's on fucking Mark Walter's umbrella of protection. Yeah, that's real. That's real. Conspiracy bills have been falling very intensely. Conspiracy crosses all over it. The fucking, like, my insurance company is loaning me billions of dollars. Come on. Philly's fan who doesn't want to see the Dodgers in the playoffs right there?

Well, don't worry. This is our last year before we run a baseball for about seven years. Seriously. enjoy it while you can do. These are a last playoff. I expect nine Mets to have been traded during the recording of this podcast. Apex Mountain, not for Cano and Bullock.

I think it is Apex Mountain for diehard rip-offs, even though it's the meaning to call this movie Die Hard Rip-Off, it kind of is. I agree with you. Yeah. L.A. freeways? I think it's O.J. Cops with a grudge. Maybe this one.

For L.A. Freeways. The chase in this one is up there with speed. Yeah, it's a good point. Cops with a grudge. I think there are other cops with a grudge. we could think of. Name one. Big boy.

I mean, does Popeye Doyle have a grudge in French connection? It's not really. I mean, my dad. John's dad. Good answer. LA buses? Yes. Okay.

How about 1994 L.A. just in general? Fucking crazy year to be here. Yeah. It is kind of weird that they made a movie where you're rooting for the LAPD like two years after the riots, though. A little weird. The bomb squad, I think, is like a circumvention of that. Yeah.

I was trying to think of other stuff that was going on in LA this year in 94. I think the real world, I think it was here. In Venice. Either in 93 or 94. 902 and Melrose Place kicking. LA law is happening. All the movies were still being shot here. And then you had speed using all the parts of it.

And the OJ thing, which taught people like where Brentwood was, people like us that had no idea where anything was in LA. I don't know. I just felt like it was in the mix in a completely different way. Was this kind of an irrelevant time for the Lakers? It was. It was post-magic. Yeah. I remember that.

Dennis Hopper, no, obviously. Jeff Daniels, I think 94 was Apex Mountain. Yeah, you're hearing dumb and dumber and speed this set up like the next 10 years from. Did you win an Oscar for anything? You won an Emmy for Newsroom. Newsroom, yeah. I think you could make the case newsroom is his Apex Mountain.

Even if that show wasn't good, he was the star of a massive HBO show created by Aaron Sorkin. Ten minute monologues every episode. Movie characters named Annie? Because you could us go Annie from misery. I think Annie Hall is probably number one. Or you go Annie Hall. Or you could go Annie, the musical Annie.

Sure. That's right. I don't know what the answer is for that. Andy, get your gun. Yeah. Yeah. Easiest cruiser, Hanks of all time. Cruise.

Yeah. In fact, I wonder if Cruz is like I could have done that. shit. I think he watches. I think Cruz was furious when he saw this. This is interview with the vampire year?

Yeah, he is furious. But when he sees Keanu the haircut, back surfing on the little piece of plywood? I wonder if this pushed him to make mission impossible.

I wonder if... Definitely it was like, I can't believe I didn't get a call. He's like, I need my diehard. No. I've been messing around with this new category

for, because we have Cruiser Hanks, but actresses, depending on what the movie is, 1974 Goldie Hawn 1984 Sharon Stone 1994

1994 Cameron Diaz or Sandra Bullock 2005 Scarlet Johansson and 2021 Sydney Sweeney Can I get 26 Navaretti for this? Or 26 Navaretti

Azani? What's the idea? I don't know What is the category? Who could have beaten Bullock? Like who would be better? This is why you're always asked the good follow-up.

Well, I don't know. I think Bullock wins. I think she beats anyone at any point in history for this role. These are all great actresses and they're all hot. But what do Goldie Hawn and Sharon Stone have to do with each other? I think this would have been a great Goldie Hawn role. I agree with that. Yeah, mid-70s Goldie Hawn, like, I'm just a fun hang.

I am a little more talented at stuff than you're giving me credit for it because you think I'm a ditsy blonde. 74 is like right after Sugarland Express. Right before shampoo. Right. Um. I think I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't change anything about Sandra Bullock. Me too.

The E.D. Falco and Copeland Award for the character that got three times hotter by smoking. We'll never know, Sierra. She never lit up that dart. But she puts it out. She just doesn't. We never had. We never see her take a drive. We never have her at the station.

Yeah. Not realizing the bus took up. Nobody did this for Flex. The rich. Because it was in the regular categories this time. Oh, yeah. Oh, did I put it in there? Yeah.

You did. The Rick. What is this? His name Cassetti? Rick Chichetti, or did we say, I don't, this is your category. Sissetti, well, it's the listener category. Okay, Rick Sissetti,

Guard Meat Award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential, but who probably has a spouse and kids who love him at home. It's obviously the elevator security guard in the first scene of the movie. I think there's three people. Who gets fucking ice picked in the ear?

The knife in the ear is insane. Poor elevator guy. Hey, do you have a pass? Yeah. You have a work order? The bus driver on the first bus. That guy's just going to work. Yeah.

And then... Yeah, that guy is that same actor as the guy. I think he's the other... The detective from Ace Ventura, the police detective, who's a bus driver. But the winner is the guy in the subway train, the subway conductor. Hopper shoots him like 13 times in the back and then laughs.

This isn't unanswerable. What's Hopper doing with that, like, Chrome-plated AK-47? Those guys... We are still in a full, like, post-commando. Like, everybody seems to have an Uzi. Zone, yeah. Pickinitz,

Keanu answering the payphone mentioned. Why didn't he shoot the tires before it got to 50? Just shoot the bus tires. Spin it out. That's the best one. Being able to stay over 50 on the highway in Los Angeles for more than 10 seconds. Yep. I defy anyone to try this.

Being able to stay above 50 while doing a hairpin turn. Impossible. No way. College football on before 9 a.m. PT during a work week. Kianu. dabbing the gas tank and then has to hold on with a screwdriver as we go 55 miles an hour.

Also, stinks of gas for the rest of the movie, not mentioned again. And then the gas tank just leaks out, but last 20 minutes? Isn't that thing that gas tank's done in 90 seconds? Harry gets shot in the leg and has a cane, but then he's fine, he's vaulting windows. In L.A. cop in the early 1990s,

putting his gun and badge down with a suspect who's pointing a gun. That wasn't a great run for the LA cops here from 88 to 93. The explosion of the old lady blows out the front tires of the bus, I think, and the bus crashes. Yes.

It's an explosion, but nothing else happens to the bus, just a little walkway. And by the way, if he blows out that thing again, can't they now get everyone else off the bus? He's already used the bomb. In 1994, you could just take a bus, go through security in the airport

and just drive around the runway? So could other people do this? But furthermore, why wasn't that like the first thing Joe Morton thought of? They're driving around out. Yeah, get to the fucking airport. He's like, we're in the airport. Go to the airport, we'll shut down LAX,

just drive around and service. I think they were very far from the airport at the beginning of the movie. Well, he's in Venice at the beginning of the movie, right? That's where the bus starts? Yeah. That's where Amy gets picked down to Venice to downtown. Oh, and then back.

So I guess they are heading downtown. but like they go down they go from Venice to downtown and then back to the airport yeah they get on the 105 and go back to the airport and then go back downtown no way this would they'd be able to do that um I I feel like the the biggest thing in that part when they pull onto the into the airport is the tire blows immediately when he when she drives into the airport she's going over the reverse yeah has the bus should just like tip over it's a bus you can't have a blown tire in that situation and it blows later in the movie

my answer for all these things at all times Every time I watch a highway chase on Channel 5, Channel 9, or Channel 11, let's go to the fucking airport. The copters can't follow you to the airport. And if I'm trying to escape the police, you get to the airport, you get in a parking garage, and then you just take off. That's what I'm going to do. The choppers, the whole thing is just like freedom of speech stuff.

Like, why can't police helicopters be like, ground your helicopter? This is dangerous. We need you out of the air. I don't know the rules there. My biggest one is there's no way somebody as savvy as Harry is like, I'm going to go to a serial bomber's house. Just waltz in.

And go right in and not think that it's booby-trapped. This guy is conducting all of this from Sun Valley is highly unlikely. How do you feel about remote cameras working on a bus in 1994? I've seen a lot of grief about this online. I mean, I'm willing to go with it. I like the tape loop trick that they play on him, though. That's a clever part of the movie. I mean, there's some, like, broader stuff, too.

Maybe this is more unanswerable than a knit, but like, shouldn't they have just paid him? It's like, he's asking for $3 million. Were they even planning on paying him? But what do they, like, it would be, it's, what Jack pulls off is a 99 out of 100 impossible thing to do. Just, he's asking for $3 million. Just pay the $1.

Well, it costs $3.7 billion of damage, at least, right. And then airport to downtown in less than 30 minutes, middle of the day. No way. The collateral route. I don't care what year we're in unless it's, 1944. I'll be doing it tomorrow at 5.30 a.m. It'll take 35 minutes.

There was also, did you guys notice, like, at the end of the movie on the subway, when Howard's holding the bomb trigger, and he's like, you've got to keep your hand on this, and then he gives it to Annie, he's like, ah, you're too hysterical. Give it back to me, he's holding it. But then, like, 10 minutes later, he has two hands on an Uzi. I totally agree. Where is it? Did he turn it off? No, he's, I look for this. He's holding it the whole time, but it's a little unrealistic. He's in fights what happens. He's fighting Keanu.

But he's always holding the train. But when he can turn the safety on it. Keanu takes it from him. So he's holding it? Right as he's getting beheaded, he grabs it from him. I believe he's two-handing the Uzi into the roof. There's also a lot of like door closed, but then there's an explosion. And when it's like the door is open, like there's continuity problems all over.

Like Keanu breaks the door. I mean, the biggest one by far is when he's fighting with Jack on top of the train, he doesn't have any paint on him. He's opened up the bag and he gets the paint all over him. And then when he's fighting him and he gets beheaded, he has no paint on it. him. Him being like, I got this. I'm going to go fist fight a 30-year-old

top with one hand. That's my final play. And somehow all of these nipicks... I'm not bringing the gun. All of these nipicks don't pass the bunch don't pass the bus jump. That bus making it that far. None of the matter.

And guess what? We've seen this movie so many times. The more nitpicks you have, that just means you've seen the movie more. Yeah. Well, also just like the fact that it takes so long for Howard to get the news that the bus is blown up at the airport. Like, the news would have been on that instantaneously.

even if there are no copters there, that would have been reported. There would have been a cop on the phone with the news in a second. How many months do you think we would be forwarding tweets and tributes about the late CR to each other that enraged us that people died on that?

I have been making a list in my mind of the 20 people who would send disingenuous tweets trying to honor him as if they knew him. Like there's so many people who would be like Chris and I once shared a beer in an alleyway. There wasn't a nicer and more genuine guy than Chris Ryan.

He just did it for the passion. Who would trigger you? Would, like, J.D. Vance? You didn't know him, man. You know? It'd be a lot of stolen valor from me and Bill. Yeah. Me and Bill and Greenwald, we've been on Team CR deeply, more profoundly than anybody,

and that's why we have to kill you. We've got to get Andy in on this plot to get you killed. The Bundow's our guy. He'll never suspect it. Anthony, what do you do? doing here on this lake? I just want to vacation.

What to talk gambling? Sequel, prequel, prestige TV or black castor untouchable. They did make a sequel. And it was bad. And can I just suggest what they could have done?

It wouldn't have been as good. Just for, how about Bomb Squad? Just a spin-off. My idea was Howard Payne prequel, Bomb Squad in Atlanta. Oh. I would just watch a Joe Morton movie.

Like Joe Morton with two new guys who have replaced Harry and Jack, he's like, you got big shoes to fill, you know? I have an important question, but I can't ask it to the two of you because you're answered B.S. Okay. Craig? Craig, I think, is a better limous test, but his answer is probably also going to be yes. When's the next big movie thing where they announced stuff? What would that be like?

A con event? CinemaCon, you mean? What's the next one where they announced? Probably not until next April. CinemaCon. Yeah. We just had ComicCon. Isn't there a convention in September? There's New York.

Comic-Con in September. What's the film festival? There's a Disney one. There's a Tel-Yride. There's a D-23 or whatever, the Disney thing. Is that happening this year? Is that happening? Yeah, okay, D-23.

Next film festival. Day and now, Speed 3 is happening. Kianu and Sandra Bulk have signed up. Is that an immediate I'm going? Is it like a Heat 2 situation? Or do you have fear? Are they bus passengers? Like, what do we...

That's all we know is Speed 3. I'll go see it. Is JDB? involved? We don't know anything other than Speed 3. Yon Dianne is still alive, but he is 83 or so and he hasn't made a film in over 20 years. I... It's Jan Jr.

I'm trying to think of who would I actually be fired up. Like if it was Chris McQuarrie, yeah, I would be down. What if Speed 3 was they actually end up with each other and they're married? It's a domestic drama about their family? It's a little like the lake house.

But something happens and now they're in peril again. It's like Howard Payne's son. Work with me here. They're married. They've gotten back together after Speed 2. Now they're in their doage. They're on a road trip because the marriage is on the rocks.

So they go on a road trip to try and save things. He gets on the highway, it goes above 50. A little light goes on. And then he gets a phone call. It's Howard Payne's son. Howard Payne's Jr. He's like, you killed my dad. Now it's time for you.

Now you and your wife can't slow your Tesla down to below 50. If the battery goes below 60%. Yeah. they're driving to go to their daughter's wedding. Yeah. It's about an EV. What if it's like father of the bride crossed with speed? Yeah.

They're throwing a wedding for their daughter at a location. Indianavredi's getting married. Oh, come on. Why are we wasting our lives doing podcasts? It's on a fairy going from Boston to Martha's Vineyard. So we have another crack at speed too because it should have worked While we're talking about this though

I was thinking about how the best person to kill Sierra would be Julia Lippman that he would never fucking see that coming You're thinking about this not too much He would be so excited to see Juliet Wesley is the best person You never suspect Wesley I mean I would never suspect you

You would though It would make sense as you were dying You know what Jeff Daniels had When the bomb went off It was always the ECR Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores, Zane Lo, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, Ted Levine, or someone else. You miss C.R. debut John Bernthoff from The Odyssey in this category. Yeah. For obsession.

Would you run it back for me? Did I do it from obsession? Yeah. I mean, no, I was going to... Let me tell you a story about a man. About freaky Nikki. I was going to... In honor of Hopper, how about if Frank from Blue Velvet...

it was in this movie. But just if he was bartending when the bomb squad is having celebration drinks and he's like, Heineken! Fuck that! Paps blue ribbon! Frank Booth is good.

Frank Booth could go on the list. Do you want to throw some Barney in here? So what part is Barney? Is Barney on the bus? What if Barney was Jack? It sounds like... Byrne is one of the passengers. He's like, I need

everybody to go to the right side of the bus, and Bernie's like, hello, Jack. We should do a movie character draft of people you'd won on the speed bus. Oh, my God. Barney. Just one Oscar who gets it, obviously, sound. What about Yon to Bonn?

Come on. Best director. Show some love. Giving it to him over Tarantino. Hopper never won a competitive Oscar. Only nominated once. Who won Best Supporting Actor this year? This was 94.

Yeah. Oh, it's a travesty. It was supposed to be Sam Jackson. Yeah, it should have been Sam Jackson's Oscar. Terrible. Probably in answerable questions. You mentioned earlier in the original script, Harry was the bad guy. Is this a better movie if Harry's the bad guy?

I don't think so. I like what they did. I think it winds up being great the way it is. I agree. You agree with that. Best Jan ever, Jan de Bonn or Jan Hammer? Who's your favorite Jan? If you could only...

How do you feel about including... Good Sun dropping one Jan? What about getting a Jan in there, too? Jan Michael Vincent. Yeah. I think it's a yawn. I'm trying to look who the best... Who is the more important Jan for you, CR?

Mine is Jan Habel. What about Jan Vessaly? I got to say, I think Jan DeBond is a little bit bigger for me than Hammer. Hammer, great contributions, but Jan DeBond directed speed and twitters. Shot, die hard, and... These are great points. ...is instinct and flatliners. Yeah, he's probably more important.

Kind of shaped my 90s. All those are German... Possibly unanswerable question. Yeah. What's the hierarchy of the bomb squad? It's a lot of, like, calling audibles. A lot of guys just kind of doing their own... A lot of offensive coordinators.

Yeah, but you know what I mean? Where it's just like... No selling. Thank you. Sadler. I'm sorry. It took me a second. But, like, Max's in charge.

But, like, Harry and Jack are, like, we're just going to do this. We're going to tie a crane to the elevator. Sometimes you've got to improvise. I'm just wondering. Make choices. What? CR wasn't just a great writer

and a great podcaster. He was an even... even better person. Who the fuck is this guy? Sierra didn't know him. I learned so much from CR. I loved when they just let him cook. I hope every month this

CR month. Everyone knows that the really great CRs on music exists, but most people haven't heard it, but I heard it when it came out. I subscribe to the rewatchable's 99 just to hear CR's thoughts. I got a

luminary sub. A week a week and a half later, awful announcing. Rense a hit piece. Bill Simmons never did Hunt for Red October. Does you regret it now? C.R. died in vain. He never got to do aliens. I had one more.

So he's like, why did C.R. keep liking these Sophie Cunningham tweets? I want the forensic analysis after your death of your socials, yeah. Yeah, we're definitely hacking his passwords. My only other answer was how far in the movie are we in before Jack realizes he needs to get off the bus, not to save the pastors, but because of how high-ha-ha-ha-ha-h is. I think we're, like, 40 minutes in. I think it's, like, you can tell when he moves past Harry so quickly,

because he's just like, the thing is, I'm getting late tonight. Except Matt Annie. Memorability you'd most want from the movie? The bomb. Trigger stick? Gold watch. Gold watch. I was thinking about how every time I did Metz Corner on Zach Show,

I would want to wear Jack's earpiece from the opening sequence. You'd see the earpieces that they're wearing in the Bomb Squad? Those are awesome. One of the buses from the film auctioned off in 2018 for $102,000. Whoa. Where do you put that thing? In a museum?

Or like on a studio lot tour? Just outside your house? It's like I saw this thing online about Jerry Seinfeld has the world's best Porsche collection. He's got like 70 vintage Porsches and they're on this giant glass warehouse. That's cool. Yeah, for what?

One team's fine. Takes a ride over to the warehouse and it's like, I'm going to drive the 63 today. It's weird. I never understood that level of collection. You're surrounded by thousands of movie posters. Yeah, but he gets enjoyment from these. He gets to look at them every day.

Jerry Seinfeld came. John Belushi right there. That's him. Can't drive John Belushi around. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award, best worst life lesson. Luck runs out sooner or later. Guts only gets you so far.

Little cousin of Miami Vice. Yeah. Time is luck. 20th and. I thought maybe I'd get a call this week. About a revise. Like a surprise revise. I put the three and a half minute scene of them on the boat going to Cuba.

Yeah. He goes and straps the seatbelt on her, and she's kind of like, it's like a very sexual seatbelt scene. Maybe the number one sexual seatbelt scene. Gong Lee? Gong Lee is just, they just had a vibe. Sexual seatbelt power rankings. Good title for a movie. Best double feature choice, CR.

I'm going to go diehard, which is pretty... I had diehard as well. I had diehard as well. What do you have? Transformers. Who won the movie? This is a really tough one. I think it's Keanu.

I think it's Keanu as well. There's a case for Bullock. You're going Bullock? I had Bullock. Because I think Keanu was already a star, and I think Bullock had had some bites at the Apple. I just love how they never have to shoot. around him.

And it's just like his running is good. Like his, all his action shit is so believable and cool. And you never have to like cut around like, oh, but he's not going to run across the street into a point. Do you think, is he your number one draft pick for just a cop in a movie like this? I think he actually, he might be my favorite action star ever. He's on the short list. Who's he going against? Arnold.

Sly. They're so different. The styles are so different. You know, like, I really love Cruz. Anytime Cruz has to go running somewhere, I'm interested. I want to know what's happening. How tall is Keanu Reeves? He's tall.

I think he's like 5-10. 6-1? 6-1. Yeah. What's he listed at? 6-1. So I think the thing with Keanu is... You can feel his athleticism and his physicality.

The only thing limiting Cruz is you can feel he's a little short. You can just feel that when you watch him. So what quarterback is Keanu? Like Baker. Herbert. No, Herbert's huge. But relative to action stars. It's all about relative to action stars.

Like a 6-1 movie star is like a enormous. He's like a 6-4 quarterback. Sure. Yeah. I think he's like Mahomesy where he can do different things depending on what the situation is. Keanu? Yeah.

Like Mahomes can have those playoff games when he just rushes 14 times. But it's weird because like if you put Keanu in the wrong movie or the wrong part, like he can't really do anything with it. Whereas like Mahomes, I feel like you could put Mahomes on the Panthers tomorrow. And it would be incredible. You couldn't put them on the 25 Chiefs, I'll tell you that much. There you go. Six and 11.

Have some. Tom Brady never went six and 11. Are you okay? I feel like... It's been a really interesting watching the Celtics humiliation ritual with you. Like, you've been going in a lot of directions. You've been, I feel like you're testing the boundaries.

We're fine. Still waiting for the Paul George press conference? Is that coming? The welcome to Boston Paul George? Right. Is that happening? Week three? Week four?

Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Because I'm not going to see you for a while. I'm going on vacation. I was listening to you and your dad. You guys were like circling back to the regular season. You were talking about 156 games. Is there any part of you that thinks that maybe like the regular season doesn't matter at all now in the NBA?

I mean, that was a constant podcast subject the last couple of years. It's almost like two different universes. But you've been, you were hanging your hat on how much you valued Jalen because of how well he did in the regular season. I just like when guys show up for work like CR. That's right. That's right. Until you kill him. Until C.R. Until he trades me.

To Bundo. Yeah. Okay. I was just curious. I was listening and I was like, I watched the Knicks. They were kind of uninspiring during the regular season, and then they won. It's the conundrum of the NBA now, is you build one team for the regular season and then another team for the 10 weeks, which is going to be the issue with Philly with. There we go. With LeB. and Embed having to play. I'm just asking if we can see it a little bit first

before we start trading people, hypothetically, to other teams. Okay. Yeah. If Joel Embed wins a title as a sixer, is that significantly more meaningful than if he's traded for Anthony Davis or something like that? Yeah. Yeah.

What were your speed takes that you didn't say yet? Just like the platonic ideal of a movie. Like, this is just all you want in a movie. I would pick Sanders the winner. She's probably my number one draft pick, 90s actresses. Number one. I'm kind of in love with Sandra Bullock. I think I'm in there too.

Like Julie Roberts, like higher ceiling, but a little more embitish, actually. She does, she plays a normal person really well. Julie Roberts is like an alien. Sandra Bullock plays a normal person really well. And I do feel like this movie hinges on her ability to convey emotion well. Like you feel the stress of the situation through her. Yeah. Because Keanu's calm.

Everybody else is kind of in the background. And she is so good at like when she sheds the tear and like when she freaks out when the woman falls out. I don't even know if we really did the can scene, but she's so good when she thinks she's hit a baby character. Clearly just a kind person. Yeah. If you gave her a nomination for this movie, I wouldn't blink at it.

I think she is so good. Like, just her face, feeling emotions, and it is amazing. I think it's a harder part because it could also just be a nothing part or just like a hot girl part, but she actually brings more to the table.

Also, just like other great L.A. It's like ending at the Chinese theater, you see the CVS ballerina clown in Venice at the beginning of the movie. Yeah. There's just great. stuff like that. It really does use everything but the beach.

The beach is the only thing we don't see from LA. It's too bad that they did end the two of them sitting on the like the Venice boardwalk being like, wow, crazy day. And then she fucking lights up. The other like redundant move is like at the very end and they're like in the subway. And they're like, the track isn't finished. And you're like, we just did that. Yeah.

It does set the record for the tracks not finish. I don't love that either. Yeah. But it's great. Do your point about the practical. stuff. Like, I feel like no one now, because of the Odyssey, everyone's, like, talking about that stuff again,

rightfully so. But it's so good that you can't have CGI in this movie because they would have, it would have been like, awesome, we can make it even bigger. And the fact that... Yeah, there's some of the... Cars flying up in the air and stuff.

Yeah. Like, Keanu would probably be like 50 feet in the air flying in something if you had CGI. The fact that it has to stay as grounded as it is because of what, like, the limitations of what you can physically film. The only thing we forgot to mention was the bomb on the bus paper

flying off. and then landing on the windshield. Another great gimmick. This movie just had great ideas. Great ideas always win, Sean. You know, you reminded me of one other take that I had and I'm going to share with you as soon as I pull it up. It was related to this and it was in a different category.

It's not about C.R.'s death? No. I'm happy to keep going on that, though. I really enjoy that, Jag. Okay, hold on. I was a struggling writer in 2012 and I sent Grantland an application and CR sent me a really nice note saying

keep it up, man. He'll be missed. We fucking love it when an original genre movie comes out of nowhere. This is one thing I wanted to say. So what happened this year with obsession is also what happened with Speed, which is just like, what the hell is this?

Who is Sandra Bullock? This happened with The Sixth Sense. It happened with Alien. It happened with Get Out. It happened with The Terminator, Inception, Pulp Fiction. When an original movie, Weapons was an example of this. You're like, I've never seen this before. Usually there's one or two people you've never seen before in the movie.

And you're like, God damn, we can still do new things. Yeah. That's the best thing at the movies, in my opinion. Yeah, that was a good example of that too. Yeah. Like, what is this? What's happening? This movie also makes me think about, I think, there's a,

The current space for action movies is kind of weird right now because the superhero stuff took over all that and now that's kind of slowing down. Wick and Born and Mission are all kind of slowing down. And it's like, there's no real big action movies that are made.

They're also like, they've gotten so over-leveraged on like the CGI stuff. Yes. Like, there's never any real feeling of stakes in these things anymore. No. There's no like action stars being minted. There's no new diehards, no new speeds.

Like, there's no big original action movies anymore. I thought you're streaming the streaming movie star thing was really interesting that you did with Amanda where you were talking about Alan Richardson. Yeah. Alan Richardson in 1997 would have been an insanely big star. And he actually is a really big star, but only in one way. Yeah.

Like only in On Reacher or in the Netflix movie War Machine. The other thing we didn't mention, well, two things about the movie Big Picture, and then we'll wrap up. But one was moving it up to June, then basically shifted the whole summer movie schedule, which we've talked about before. Because these were supposed to come out in July,

August. And then all of a sudden now they're coming out of May and they're trying to get the first jump and stuff with that. The other thing is like the Netflix and Amazon, all these people making versions of speed but for a streaming movie. Like what was that Jason Bateman airplane movie? With Tarynne Egerton. Yeah.

Carry on. He's the carrier. Carrying. Air traffic or security guys. So these were getting ripped off for I don't know, 10, 12 years with like phone booths and the cell and not the cell. What was the phone call movie with Hallie Berry? There's a movie She was like working the

When a stranger call? No, is it one missed call? I think it's the call The call. The call. Movies like that where it's like just this premise and we go And it feels like they've moved to streaming.

Yeah. And they're just, it's always like the DNA of this movie and die hard and a couple others. I also think this is like a big cell phones, smartphones kind of killed a lot of attention in these. It's like really hard to be like

so you like I could just Google who you are while this is happening. You know what I mean? You would just be like Howard Payne is this. Oh shit. You know? We got him! C.R.

Pleasure, Zoe. I hope you keep kicking in for another 50 years. Yeah, I hope I make it through this lake now. Wait, isn't the line reading, that's our scumbag! That's what we're going to say when CR goes down. Sean, have fun on vacation. Thank you.

I look forward to being on the flop draft. Yeah. Let's get you in there. I've invited myself too. Craig, fantasy football show. We're heating up. Drafts coming. Drafts are coming.

A lot of drafts at the end of August. I know. Yeah. You guys are having ready? Yeah. Am I doing it? It's up to you. You're doing it.

You're fucking, you're going to be there. I think I responded maybe to the invite. You did. You actually responded yes and then switched it to maybe? Wait, because you were thinking about how you were treated last year? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Which was unfairly and rudely. But you know what? Didn't finish in last. I finished in last. How sweet would it be if you came back in one? Am I allowed to take draft for me again?

His own team? You're your own team. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Bill.