The Rewatchables - 'Speed' With Bill Simmons, Jason Concepcion, Shea Serrano, and Donnie Kwak

Episode Date: September 21, 2017

HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Jason Concepcion, Shea Serrano, and Donnie Kwak to relive the 1994 nonstop thrill ride ‘Speed’ starring Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock. They consider the perfect formula for 'Die Hard' remakes, expose the improbability of driving fast through L.A. traffic, and break down the film's critical bus jump. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Donny Quack is here Jason Concepcion is here Speed It's happening He can strike anywhere At any time Will the Mr. Guest please sign in Why are they messing with me

Do they think I'm doing this for fun For L.A. cop Jack Travon Tell me again Harry Why did I take this job? The game began When someone put the city of Los Angeles to the ultimate test. Pop quiz, hot shot. There's a bomb on the bus.

Once the bus goes 50 miles an hour, the bomb is armed. If it drops below 50, it blows up. What do you do? What do you do? Keanu Reeves. Dennis Hopper. Sandra Bullock. Speed.

Get ready for rush hour. All right, fellas. I've changed my mind. none. What's the modern? First modern action movie. It could be point break. Speed.

It might even go all the way back to the 80s. I don't know. I don't know anymore. But this definitely feels like a movie that could come out now, other than the lack of cell phones. I was. Moves nicely. Don't you think? It's really not dated in any way.

I thought looking at the, the visuals were dated in the way the people looked and some of the stuff they said. The pacing was great. It really never stops moving. Never. I'll say that I was struck by how closely it is linked to diehard, especially those opening scenes where it's like you're in the elevator shafts and you're moving through the building. And it's like a lot about the interiors of buildings. And that just felt very diehardy into me. But then, of course, it spreads out, goes outside.

I was having this conversation with Chris yesterday. Like, if you did remake it, I don't think having phones or Twitter or anything, the passengers having that would have affected the story at all. They'd be tweeting from the bus. It's not like that they would have been able to save themselves. just because they could tweet what their situation was, right? Right. I'm of the thinking that no movies should have Twitter or cell phones in it. I think there's any way that that meant about it.

Just set every movie in 95? I've never thought. Well, you know what Predator needs? A cell phone? There is a way if you were remaking this, which they shouldn't and they shouldn't do for 30 years. It's coming. Yeah. That makes me sad.

But there is, there are modern social media type things that could, make this movie at least feel more 2017-ish. It's 23 years old. Setting the scene for what happened when this movie came out. It was released one week before the OJ Chase. Wow. That's what's up. The studio moved it up.

It was supposed to come out in like August and they kept doing the screenings and the people were losing their shit. And at that time, this movie kind of changed the game for what the concept of a summer movie was. They always put the action movies in July. Every year it was like July 4th and after that's when action movies came out. Don't mess with the summer movie schedule. And then they moved speed up to like June 12th or June 8th, whatever it was.

And then that led to Twister two years later coming out. This is great. And then summer movie season is now four months. Basically because of what happened was speed caught two young stars at the absolute perfect time. Oh, yeah. For both of them. Keanu. Sandra Bullock hadn't really had the break.

out hit yet didn't really know a lot about her knew nothing about her yeah i kind of fell in love in the movie theater with her i think he i'm gonna say you not so did kiannu i was gonna say i kind of fell in love except with kiannu he was a demolition man came out in 93 right she was she had three kind of cups of coffee she had the vanishing she's the girl who actually gets kidnapped by jeff bridges she's super cute in that that's a pretty good movie love potion number nine underrated romcom My wife's a big fan of that one with Tate Donovan, who then went on to date her.

And I think he also dated Jennifer Aniston. For a long time. He had kind of a quiet Adam Durrott's romantic. And then Demolition Man was supposed to be her big. Right. But that movie never made it. On paper, it was great. It was like the 2004 Lakers.

Like, this is going to compete. Okay. It just didn't happen. So this was her breakout. Kianu, who we discussed on Point Break, a couple episodes ago in The Rewatchew. He does point break, follows that up with Bill and Ted 2, Dracula, which he was mocked. Thank God the internet wasn't around for that performance.

That accident. My own private Idaho, good movie. Providence, I have no recollection of what Providence was, do you? No. What was Providence? I don't remember it. Much ado about nothing. So now he's, Keanu's going this way.

He's going down. The CBS Fantasy Sportsline Arrow is dark blue and pointing down for him. And then this movie rejuvenated. I feel like Keanu should stay away from Shakespeare. He loves Shakespeare, apparently. And when you add this with The Matrix and Point Break, the two John Wicks, that's about as good of a five as anybody has. It's pretty good.

Right? I mean, obviously Stallone and Schwarzenegger in the conversation, it's about it. It's pretty good. And then the interesting thing about it is, do people even really think of Keanu as like an action star on the level of Schwarzenegner? That's what's so interesting about his career. He's done these, like, gigantic action movies and no one really thinks about him as an action star. Well, he's more of the modern action star, though.

It's like sneaker smaller. Right. Just the guy, the non-heroic hero. Yeah. I had that list, actually, because I have to be. 80s, early 90s, it was that popcorn action star. It was Arnold, Stallone, Gibson, Willis, Sway, Arditt, Swayzee. Stick around.

Stephen Segal, Bondom, these, like, big popcorn guys. And then it kind of started a shablon. shift with Wesley Snipes, Keanu, the great Nick Cage. I think it was diehard really. We'll change it. This is like the dream team argument

when you've got the guys who everybody sort of remembers immediately and the ones the class who came after him who will swear we can beat those guys. The next generation. That's what you've got with. So this is like 96 Dream Team. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what this is. It was, Diehard is the one that changed it for me because that was the one where it was like Bruce Willis wasn't huge. He just looked like a guy. He never had shoes the whole movie. he was just like he was just some dude who's trying to visit his ex-wife right and stuff happened has diehard been ripped off more than any other movie yes because it was how many action

movies die hard in a plane die hard and a well the dude that directed speed wasn't any of the cinematographer for diehard yeah so obviously he learned those lessons and everybody turned this down because it was too close to diehard including john mcternan the director right right and it was also the reason kianna was afraid to be in it and it just was too close it was They were probably making this in 93. Diehard had been one of the biggest hits ever in 89, and people were like, eh. It's like rap, man.

Back in the day, people were scared of biting other successful franchises. And now it's like so shameless. It's like, nobody would have that reservation now. It would be like, oh, it's a big hit. Let's make another one. I don't think they've ripped off diehard enough. I agree with that. I want to see more diehards.

More diehards. Diehard in the hockey game. It's sudden death. I liked it. It was good. They could do it with anything. So right after this, Kiano decides not to do Speed 2. Smart.

One of the most reviled sequels ever. Jason Patrick. My guy. What I didn't understand is he did Johnny Nemonic, Walk in the Clouds, Feeling Minnesota, Devil's Advocate. It's not like he was like, hey, guys, speed two, I'd be slumming it. Like, these were not great movies. They should have thrown a bigger chicken. They were movies that had a chance, though.

Yeah. Like, chain reaction, if all the pieces snapped together, right. Devil's Advocate was good. Yeah, I read The One That he was filming. That's why I couldn't do. I mean, obviously he didn't like the script either, but, yeah. Early Charlize. I watched that interview he did with Kimmel, and he was talking about,

he read the script and this doesn't make any sense. Like, a bus wasn't fast already, and now you've got an even slower thing. You're being in a boat. A cruise shit. Yeah. This didn't kind of already happen with under, was it understage one or two on a boat? Under siege one. Two is the train.

I let me just move in a place. Hey, that, but on a different thing now. Let's do that. For some reason, two is on all the time and one's never on, which I've never understood. Two is better. You think two's better? It's more fun. It's more fun.

All right, so the plot of speed. Dennis Hopper, basically a terrorist, a white-collar terrorist. Throw in 102 miles an hour, by the way, the entire movie. It's I mean just came out smoking, yeah Smoking. Hey guess what? In his first scene

He'd stab somebody in the ear In the ear He's just like, whoa, okay. That must hurt like a motherfucker shit. I tried to do research on this And it was hard to tell what was what But that was such a great part Like it's kind of hard to believe

Jack Nicholson wasn't mildly intrigued in that part Or Robert De Niro or somebody. Hopper was coming off Hoosiers. Did he win Best Actor or he was like He got nominated and then kind of tailed off again and this was like his last resurgence before. I think all the drugs from the 70s.

He was great. So Tara's, Keanu and Jeff Daniels foil the plot. Great elevator shaft scene. Incredible. Take my hands. If they make that today, somebody gets cut in half. Yeah. Somebody gets cut in half if they make it today.

That last woman who was like, I don't know, she or her arms or something. You kind of wanted it. You wanted her to get cut in half. It always gave it. I thought it was going to happen. I kind of appreciated Jeff Daniels in that opening sequence, not looking like anything like an action star, and he was like sweating profusely and hair flopping around.

It just looked like some middle-aged white guy. This was a really weird Jeff Daniels run because he also did Dumb and Dumber and also played a guy named Harry in that. He played two straight Harry's. Dumb and Dumber and his speed. It might have been the same, like he just got his shit together. Right. The Daniels universe.

I just like Harry every time. So they think Dan. Hopper's dead. Yeah. He's not dead. How do you not check? He probably died. That's what they did.

They just look. Oh, he's probably dead. And then there's one. Why did they think he died again? Because they... There's an explosion. Oh, right. He has the stuff strapped to him.

He walks out. Boom. Yeah. There's going to be like a bone or... Yeah, there's going to be a tooth. Something. Blood. There should be some blood.

We're good. There was no... How are you? You're really no blood. I like early on. Early on when you see Hopper's a gnarled hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the, you know, like the missing thumb and he's holding the phone, like, cross his body.

Yeah. It's a sweet moment. Yeah. So he ends up coming back. Yeah. He blows up a bus in front of Keanu. Tells Keanu, there's another bus. Lays out the plot.

Basically, if the bus goes over 50 miles an hour, it's going to blow up again. There's a bomb on a bus. Once the bus goes 50 miles an hour, the bomb is armed. If it drops below 50, it blows up. What do you do? do? What do you do? If it sets it, if it sets it, if he goes below up, right? He dropped the payphone.

How many people fit on a bus? Like 60, right? 60 to 80? He probably just killed, just to prove a point. No, but there was only, it was only the bus driver. He was the only one on that? Yeah, there was only the bus driver that he knew that he was friends with somehow. His buddy. Because, you know, Keanu is his friends with bus drivers and stuff. Yeah. So Keanu gets on the bus.

Yeah. Hops in, and then the movie takes off. So let's go through it. Most rewatchable scenes. Oh, man. Here are the choices. Feel free to add the elevator shaft scene at the beginning, which is just really well done. It's a little diehard rip-offish, but it's excellent.

From the moment the first bus blows up, the payphone rings. Kind of inexplicably answers the pay phone. You just saw his friend die. Oh, let me get the phone. His buddy died. Things are on fire. People are screaming and say, hold on. Who says, everyone to get the pay phone?

Goes to the second one. Then we meet Sandy Bullock. She's running after the bus. Wait. Wait, wait. She has a cigarette in a hand. She has got to stop it. That whole stretch, I'm calling his one scene.

Yeah, she was smoking. She was smoking. Smoking and running. That means you have a dirty history. Rescuing Sam the bus driver, leading to the crazy ugly old lady getting blown out. That scene is great. She was in Devil's Advocate.

That's his mom and Dev was a lot of, she's one of those ladies. The bus jump. Oh, the bus jump. And then Hopper getting decapitated. What's the most rewatchable scene? Your fucking channels. Ooh, this scene's on.

It's the bus jump. It's got to be the bus jump. You're jumping a bus 50 feet across an open freeway. Yeah. And what's great for me, my favorite part about it is how fantastic everyone was at pretending like they really had just survived. Like they're all hugging and screaming. There's a moment. Yeah.

The guy from Blood in, blood out, Popeye hugs, Giannu. And you're like, you feel good. They give you that one, we feel good. And then right when they go, oh, get off, get off, get off, and you start freaking out again. They give you just a bit. For me, that's the one I got to see every time. Donnie? Yeah, I mean, the bus scene, to be honest, it's a little underwhelming on the second one.

The bus jump? Yeah. Guys, don't fight this early. No, but what I will say is, like, rather than having individual rewatchable scenes, I think it's the sum of its parts speed is. So it's just like two hours of being tense. Any decapitation in a movie is rewatchable for me, so maybe I'll go. One of the top seven decapitation. It was a clean.

It was a clean decapitation. I think Ned Stark is still number one, not necessarily a movie. I don't know. This is pretty shocking to get decapitated like by a lighting fixture. Yeah. And then just imagine like what a hardcore human being you'd have to be to like lift someone up into a light so that their head pops off. And then be like, but I'm taller. It's blood spurting on you.

Because the whole movie is super polite. Excuse me, ma'am. Excuse me, ma'am. No, ma'am. No. Yeah Well, I'm taller. Could have been more blood after the decapitation.

Man. I think it should have been like the shining elevator on top of him. What was your most rewatchable, Jason? It's the bus jump, I think. Just because of the lead up to it, the build up, the way the cops are like, we got a problem about three miles ahead. There's a gap. Sir, we have a serious problem.

What? But it's on the map. It's finished on the goddamn map. I guess they fell behind. What? These freaking construction guys? Lazy again. But it says it's good on the map.

I guess they got behind. And they're just like taking dumps like on these metro construction workers. You were obviously like patting their stats by saying stuff is built when it's not before. And then just Keanu being like, no, go faster. Hold on everything you can. We can make it. We can make it. Maybe there.

He goes, it's an interchange. maybe there's an incline. What is that? Like, is that a thing? Is that even a thing? Is that some kind of fact that people know? I also think the bus jump,

but not for the same reasons you guys did, even though it's great. I always watch it and think how red, I can't wait to watch it and just be disappointed by how ridiculous it was. It was ridiculous. It goes up. It actually, it's clearly right.

There's an incline. It's an incline. It's an interchange, man. Myth busters broke it down and the bus just sinks. Yeah. Like, it goes off and it just drops like a stone in real life. And this, it just... I used to soar in the air majestically.

Some casting what ifs. Ooh. Stephen Baldwin. Man. Turned it down. Thought it was too close to die. Yet another great, great idea. Great move.

Great career move from Stephen Baldwin. It was peak Stephen Baldwin. He could have been Jack Trayvon. Yeah. He's like, I don't know. I'll take Biodome. Yeah. Also passing. Jeff Bridges?

Huh. Johnny Depp. He would have been pretty good. Well, he did blown away, though, so you can understand. Depp could have done it, I think. I think Johnny Depp turned down basically every relevant movie that came out in Riders and did like the three weird ones that he did. Like for some reason he did nick a time.

Yeah. Turned down like seven Oscar winners and eight iconic action movies. Annie's original role was way less. thought out and was more comic relief. And they wrote it with Ellen DeGeneres in mind. Interesting. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I heard that.

Interesting. But then when they rewrote it and made it a little more sexy, offered it to Hallie Berry. She turned it down. Did you really? That would have been a good. She would have been good. She would have been good.

But they never really say what Annie does or is, right? She's just an L.A. She's a drop-off. I think Cindy is the right move because I think if it's Holly Berry right away, you're like, oh, hey. She's hot? Yeah. Whereas with Sandra Bullock, she's a beautiful woman,

but it's like her charm is what wins you over over the course of the movie. So Hallie Berry was asked about it and had some quote, like I don't think the movie takes off from me like I did with Sandra Boe because I just would have been the black bus driver. It seemed a little bitter about it. Just a tiny bit. Well, she might have been right, though. She might have been right.

I don't know. She was smoking hot in 1994. That's a tough world. In 1994 to 2007, like basically this entire stretch of human history. Probably has been flames. John McTiernan, Rennie Harlan, and Quentin Tarantino. Wow. All turn this down.

Tarantino regrets it. Tarantino would have made this one of his favorite movies. I mean, he was in the middle of the true romance, Pope Fiction, that whole Jackie Brown, but he could have done this in his sleep probably. So they ended up setting him with Jan DuBont, who was the cinematographer on Diehard. And I think it worked out fine. All right. What's age the best?

Our choices. Young Sandy Bullock. Just delightful. Just the breath of fresh air. Just great looking. Young crew cut Keanu. The crew cut was like a bold, whoa. It's great choice for him coming off point break.

Did you read the thing? They said they wanted him to be very in control looking. He showed up with a shaved head. And they freaked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, he looked like he was buff. This is probably his most buff movie. He worked out a ton.

They said he put in a saw two months just getting in crazy shape. And with the HDH. And plus he had like the- He got a versatile car. It's a great haircut. The crispy white tea that just gets progressively dirty as the movie goes on. I love that. Smooth move.

Three other candidates for what's age the best. Stay on her get off. Stain or get off. This is good. This is great. The movie honestly could have been called stay on or get off. And it wouldn't have been the worst stretch the world. The entire beginning to end stretch.

of the bus going over 50 just moves so well. It's such a moderate. It's a great device. Yeah. I mean, like a great movie that does not move nearly as well as you remember when you saw in the theater. It's definitely slow.

It takes 25 minutes for him to even like get in the giant high-rise building and 35 minutes for somebody to get shot. This movie's like boom, boom, boom. I love it. I love when a movie has a thing like that. Like a very specific, you can just say, there's a bus if it goes under 50s and explode and you know the movie in your head

anytime a movie oh this old man and young kid they switch bodies oh fuck I'm in like that sounds fantastic any movie with a thing like that it's the elevator pitch man yeah and then final what's age the best

the concept of die hard on a bus because at that point they're running out of die hard on a blanks and I don't really know where else we could have done we did die hard on a trolley right I can die hard on anything Come see me, die hard in a sandwich shop. Come talk to me.

Die hard on a trolley happen? On a trolley? Money train. Money train's kind of die hard on a trolley, right? I guess they never really... What was the Denzel train movie? That was die hard on a bigger train with Chris Pine? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But when you say die hard onto something, that means basically... There's a bomb on something, and we got to save everybody. Or a cop has to save innocent people. Maybe that should be the ringer's first feature movie. Die hard on a train? On trolley? Like through the ringer.

Die hard on the website. No, that's this. It's a bomb in the ringer offices. Jason Concepcion has to find it. You got to blog it out. You need an 800 word blog about where this bomb is. It's got to go up in an hour. My choice for what's aged the best is young Sandy Boewick.

I think every great actress has that one movie where they just look fantastic. You can see the potential. It's almost like an athlete. Mm-hmm. Where like LeBron and the 07 against the pistons. And you're like, wow, this guy's going somewhere. And this was like the movie for her, you know? I agree with that.

I think the thing that shines through watching this movie again is her kindness, like as a character. She's just very kind to every. She knows the bus driver, knows his name, cares about him when he gets shot. Sam. She's a breakdown when he gets shot. She knows everybody on the bus pretty much. She planes about her car that humanizes her. She curved that one dude, though, Cameron from Fairview.

Yeah, because you didn't care. Rough movie for Cameron. She should have done that. She should have done that. Gumb. She says gum. Yeah. Gum.

She's just very charming and kind in this movie, and it's great. I think my favorite tiny moment with her is Keanu's explaining, you know, this happened before and we saved everybody. And he tells her, you know, if this happens again, like, oh, we'll do it again. And she's like, I'm not free to drive next time or whatever. Like, that's just a cool thing to say. She always said the right thing for me. There's never a moment. Great character.

Yeah. What do you think age the best? I think I'm going with Keanu. I'm not to say I have a man crush on Keanu or any. thing, but I feel like he did his thing. He was like so trustworthy. Imagining yourself as a passenger in that situation, that's the dude that you want running the show. Because like everything he said had gravity.

It was no nonsense. Right. And he was just looking out for people's safety. It's against type when you think about it now for him to do that. Because he was like the stoner guy, the surfer guy, Bill and Ted's. And now he's like really like a militaristic cop in control. Until he takes that guy's head off. He laughs about it.

To that part. Well, it seems like a lot of... It was improvisation, though. A lot of action movie stars had a moment where we never considered them as an action movie star, and then they made the movie that... Like Bruce Willis when he did Die Hard was the guy for moonlighting. Yeah, right. And Seagrimand's And Blind Date.

And it was like, Bruce Willis is in Die Hard? It's a great movie. It is. But there's a lot of those. Nick Cage? Oh, yeah. When he did, what was the first one? Conair.

Conair was the one for me. Nick Cage is making an action movie? He was yoked in Conair, too. He was... There might have been some HGA. God damn. Yeah. He was pretty ripped.

What do you think is the best? I'm going to go with Countess haircut. I love that haircut. A lot of times you watch an old movie, you're like, that was a mistake. Today it wouldn't work. But that's haircut still. He could come out tomorrow and everybody freak out. Let's take a break.

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We talked about the bus drum, which we're really going to get into later. I'm so mad already. Some people don't like Dennis Hopper's performance and think it's a little retroactively, a little to whoever at the top. I think they're wrong. Yeah, they're wrong. Those people are wrong. Being able to drive over 50 miles an hour for a long period of time in Los Angeles has not aged well.

And then finally, my choice, the stereotypical bus passenger crew. The uptight white tourists, the Latino criminal who just snaps for, we don't know why he snapped to be. He thinks a cop went on the bus to somehow arrest him. That's the kid from standing in deliver. The one that almost gets into it. Then he started losing his roles to the kid in dangerous minds who goes on the dinner date with Michelle Pfeiffer. That kid. He was also in Conier.

What cop, it's just amazing. It's amazing in 2017. And Hollywood had a time. It's amazing in 2017 to watch that and be like, and watch a cop be like, I'm going to put my gun away now. Yeah. And we're just going to, I'm not a cop now. We're just going to talk it out. Look, I'm putting my gun away, okay?

Now listen. I don't care about your crime. Whatever you did, I'm sure that you're sorry. So it's cool now. It's over. I'm not a cop right now. Hey, man, I forgive you. Whatever you did.

that he thinks if you put your badge down, you're not a cop anymore. You're not a cop anymore. You put the badge down, man. Yeah, that actually might have been the most unrealistic moment of the movie. In L.A. cop, I think he just takes him down in real life. I mean, just remember moments before that, though,

he had just run up on that jaguar. The black guy's driving with his gun pointed out. I'm like, get the fuck out of your car. Like, it's my car now. When they're, in the beginning, when he's with Harry and they're thinking about what to do about the elevator, he's like, then he does the first pop quiz hot shot. He's like, you shoot the hostage.

Yeah. Just real quick. Yeah, just real quick. Oh, you shoot the hostage. You shoot them. You shoot everybody. Yeah, you shoot them in life. Yeah, you shoot him in LA.

Everybody you shoot. So we had Popeye, the good nature construction worker. We had crazy, ugly old lady. Gigantor. Gigantor. Sam, the good nature black bus driver. They just checked all the boxes. Janine Garofo did this great stand-up bit about this and like 95 about how they should have just gone all the way and had like an Eskimo.

An Indian with a headdress on. and all this stuff and just like just really own it. That part's funny. And it was also an era because daylight with Slice Stallone was like this too. Yeah. It's like a group of people. They're all different. And none of them can handle adversity.

And you kind of start rooting for them to die because they're so annoying. And that's what speed was like. You're like, I don't like any of these people except Popeye. I wanted everybody else could die right now. You know they did an oral history with the actors that played the passengers in speed. What? Yeah. And a lot of them were kind of.

Where at? I wish I remember. Another publication that we should do. It was another publication, but a lot of the actors were a little disappointed because in the original scripts, they had backstories and they had like arcs. You got to put that in there, man. You got to let that buy osmosis. Yeah, so they were disappointed, you know, when they saw the final movie that, you know, none of them had stories. They got chopped out.

I'm glad you said the annoying thing because that's, I have one thing that I've noticed, it's not a theory. This is a thing. Is anybody who acts like a normal person? in an action movie or a TV show or whatever, that's the person we're always most annoyed by. It's like Breaking Bad when Skylet. People are like, Skyler, she's terrible.

It's like she's acting like a person would act if their husband was a drug dealer. Right. You know, like, but those are the people we're always annoyed by. The guy who's scared. There's a scared guy on the bus that has a bomb on it.

That would be me. And people would be annoyed by me watching this. Just imagine if you're playing a passenger and you've got to film this movie for like eight weeks and all you're doing is just looking like a scared mark for eight weeks. Yeah, you'd probably start losing in your mind.

Honestly, that sounds like the perfect movie role that I would like. Yeah. That's my real.

That's my acting rage. I don't need a bad story. I don't need any. Like, I'll just be the guy that falls off the bus. I want to be that guy.

The guy who almost made it. So the legacy of 90s Latino action movie characters, we had this guy, the guy who thinks Keanu's there to arrest him. You don't even know the names.

We don't even know the name. That sounds gigantic. The guy from Conner. The guy from Connair. It's not the most. You know, I don't think anything in there is really terrible. I hate that answer. I don't, I hate when you cut out.

I think it's Keanu not shooting the. The tires out? No, that's a good one. Kianu not shooting anybody. Not shooting the Latino gang member, we suppose criminal, draws a gun on him and then ends up shooting Sam. No, but he defuses bombs. I mean, he's calm.

Yeah, he's a bomb diffuser. He's a diffuser of situations. That's a good point. I guess. So I was going to bring that up in picking Nits, but we can do it now. Just shoot the tires out. He had a chance.

To 50. Just take them all out. Yeah. That's it. But he tells him if you try to get anybody off the bus, I'd blow it up. Well, yeah, Hopper might have blown up the bus if he had done that. He absolutely would have blown it up.

Yeah, because he had the camera inside the. 100% he would have blown that bus up. But the bomb wouldn't have been set because they hadn't gone to 50 yet. His instructions were if you get to that bus before it goes over. He kind of left the door open for him to try to save the bus. Just take the tires out. Come on. Half-assed Internet Research Corner.

Speed won two Oscars. Wow. It has to be sound or something like that. It's a double Oscar. Best actor and supporting actress. Sound editing and sound mixing. I love those. The sounds are good.

The ringer was taking Oscars. Oh yeah. In a second. Keanu did 90% of the stunts himself. He did the jump from the Jaguar to the bus himself. Wow. He surprised the director. He practiced it in private.

The director had no idea. And then they were doing, lining it up for him. to do the jumps, they could bring the stunt double in, and Keanu just did it. Wait, how do you do it? That's amazing. How do you practice that? Let me, let me, I'm going to pop this bubble right now. Okay.

This is some PR BS. This is some, this is some, this is some shit that an actor says and their PR person says later, oh, he did it. He did all his own stunts. It's a Tom Cruise thing. Because you don't just, the car is moving, the bus is moving. There's a setup, the camera guys, the lighting. They come in with the boom mics.

You don't just run up and back, now I'm going to do this. Watch it. It's like, push the stunt guy out of the way and do the thing. This is why it's a half-assed Internet Research Corner. And there's like an hour and a half that would go up into shooting that thing. I'm choosing to believe he told them beforehand. Before they set the scene up, he's like, I want to do it. I'm doing it.

I believe he did that one. I'm practicing in my living room. I think he did that one. I watched it. I think he did it. But there's no way he went under the bus. No. Daddy does all his own stuff.

Oh, yeah. It probably wasn't going very fast. When he went under the bus? Yeah, yeah. Oh, true. It doesn't matter, though. The busway is like 15 times. It could have been going five.

It could be going to five. He's still going to die. Did you guys see the clip of Tom Cruise getting hurt filming the last Mission Impossible movie? Yeah. Yeah. And he did the jump and he missed and he just like slammed into the wall. He did the, I don't know I'm laughing. I don't know I'm laughing.

Please do laugh. It was funny. He's old. Jackie Chan is the king of getting hurt during the movie. Jackie Chan is uninsurable. Nobody touches that. Roger Ebert gave this movie four out of four stars and said it was hold the arm. He had some.

thing and what he wrote about. It's one of those movies. Yeah, bruised the forearms. You're bruised in the forearm or the person next to you because you keep grabbing it. Not since Bergman in 1963 as a movie. I think Ibert also liked Speed 2 though, for the record. Ebert likes Speed 2?

Yeah, he was one of the very few critics who actually look it up. It's the 20th anniversary of Speed 2. She, I think you need to watch this. It might be one of those things where it's not bad, but everyone decided it's bad. No, it's bad. I was watching. So it is bad. There's a scene where, like,

two minutes straight, Jason Patrick and his psychic, take turns swimming underwater to turn a thing to make the boat move. And they just, and they, for two minutes straight, they're just going up and down. Iber gave it three stars. Did he? Yeah. Cruise control. Fearless. Unbelievable.

Fearless. In the original script, Harry was the bad guy. Wow. It was a reveal. I like that. Yeah. That would be cool. I love that.

That would have been cool. You remake it today, that's happening. I absolutely love that. Like double cross and betrayal. adds another good layer to that. The script doctor for this movie, Josh Whedon. And you can, like, Gigantor, that's his line. Lines like that, that's his line.

Sandra Bullock really did have to learn how to drive a bus. How hard is that? That's why she has an Oscar. She was good at it. She'll take that step. Drove a bus. She was convincing on that steering wheel. I said my dad has driven a bus in San Antonio for over 30 years now.

That's his job. He's Sam. He's Mexican Sam. I said, Dad, do you remember Speed? What did you think of this movie? And he never texts me back. That's the new important. That's our relationship.

This one made me sad. Kiana's buddy River Phoenix died during the speed shoot. They had to rejigger the schedule and give him like his easiest scenes because he was grieving. Right. I mean, that's shots to River. Shout out to the Speed crew. Outside the Viper Room. Yeah.

Was Keanu with him when he died? I think he was. How did he die? He overdosed. He collapsed in the nightclub, right? That's one of my top five, if there were 30 for 30 for Hollywood. Yeah. I'd want the 30 for 30 like River Phoenix.

The whole thing, like all the people that were there when he died, it feels like stuff got covered up. I want to know everything about that. It was also like it felt like kind of shocking because he like, wasn't he like vegan and just like, he seemed like such a quasi-California hippie guy. And then it's like, wow, he's like mainlining Coke and her. heroin, that's dark. Yeah, that's why I'd be a good documentary. He was dating my girl, Samantha Mathis. Was he?

Pump up the volume. Broken Arrow. Good movie. All right, so last thing, I did a lot of research on the bus jump. A lot. I did a lot. I really deep dove on the bus jump. The highway scenes for the movie were the 105 and the 110,

which only Jason I really care about. I said, and I have no idea what that means. I've been on them a lot because I drive my daughter. Have either of you guys ever been on an L.A. bus. I have never been an only bus. Have you ever been on the LA subway?

Yes. Oh. There's a subway in LA? It's empty and creepy and that should probably be where the diehard movie. I had no idea. I walked to work.

Well, they were making it in the movie. Oh, right. So the bus jumped from the 105 to the 110 some connector. They should have that as a thing. They used early CGI. They used like an early version of CGI

to make it seem like it acts like there was a hole and all that stuff. the actual jump that they filmed is on YouTube. You can find it. Yeah. And it just basically the bus goes up, it lands, and the entire bus collapses. Every tire breaks, and it's just, it's a mess. Right.

Was not in the script. The bus jump was not in the script. They're driving out at 1-5-110 and Yon-de-Bahn. And Yon-de-Bat was like, look at that part of the highway is not finished. We should add a scene where the bus jumps over the unfinished highway. Shouts to Yon-de-Bond. Yeah, that's a good. One of the great yons.

You got to get a couple more points in the backside of that movie for that. Yeah, absolutely. Who are the other yons? Jan-Hommer? Not a lot of yons. Jan-Wammer made the Miami Vice theme. Yeah, that was my ringtone for a while. The bus went 20 feet in the air.

It went 109 feet. They had a second camera that was like the bus was supposed to go in front of it. But the bus overshot what they thought and it landed on the camera and broke it. That's why they have to use the weather. shot. So that's everything you need to know about the bus jump. All right.

The Dion Waiters, best heat check performance by a role player. Now, does Dennis Hopper a role player in this movie or see a star? If he is, he gets it. Star, right? I think he's a star.

I think we're not a good role player. I hear the nominees. Glenn Plummer, Jaguar driver. This car is not stolen. It is now. Move over. Fuck!

You scratch this puppy, and me and you are going to have words. You understand? Yeah, it's a great character actor. He was really good. A nice little run in the 90s, then showgirls kind of killed them on him for him. Didn't he pop up in Speed 2 as well? I think he was available.

He had a camera. I know he was in the substitute. He was like a great run of being in the background of action movies. Alan Ruck. Yeah, Cameron. Really? He went from being Cameron to now he's also in Speed. So he kind of, and then he was in Spin City and he kind of became Alan Ruck.

But he was Cameron for like eight years. Yeah. He was Cameron in Speed, I felt like. Yeah. He's just Cameron. He's just Cameron. He's just Cameron. Ugly crazy lady.

Same the bus driver and Popeye. Right. So who wins? Who's Deanne Waders? Oh, and I left out Joe Morton. I have Alan Ruck. I have Cameron. He's great.

He's just like, so the way he's like, we're going to the airport. I've already seen the airport. After all this, it's like, I've already seen it. Great line. I've already seen the airport. He just almost died 10 times.

Chill out. Yeah, he was just like, He sucked. I think I'm going to go with Joe Morton. I think he was a good chief type dude and listening to him talk. It was like that ratatette. Yeah. He's cool and Terminator.

Yeah. I'm going Helen, the old woman. The one who gets blown up. He gets blown up because she tries to abandon her. That would have been my move. I'm like, good luck, guys. I'm getting out of her. I love that nobody notices her.

She's approaching the thing and they're all like, oh, this is great. Like, wait a second. What are you doing? And then she got exploded and run over by the bus. Yeah. Like, that's heavy. It's a heavy way to kill an old woman. Good to get rid of her, though.

That's my pick. I'm going with Joe Martin as well. Calming influence. Really had the right reactions at the right time. I still love him in Terminator, too. He celebrated a little too much for me. Like, every time a thing happened, he's like, they're all going to die.

Chill out, man. I loved him in Terminator, too. Yeah, it's great. It's really, he's phenomenal in that movie. It's just a great movie anyway. Any bomb-based situation? 100%. He's the guy to go to. I love the way he walks up to Traven and Annie as they're laying on that, like,

piece of bus at the end and he's just like waiting for them to fuck. He's going to. He's walks up and like, yeah. I might let you go. Like he said, this is a perfect time for me to make a joke right here. I'm about to get this joke off. Apex Mountain. Kiana Reeves?

Oh, man. He still had higher to climb, and I think that would have been shocking to people like in the mid-90s. I don't think he would actually get bigger. Yeah, no. Sandy Bullock? Oh, man.

No, she had higher to go. She had way higher. I agree. I talked to Dobbins about this, and she said it was her apex for Sandy as miscongeniality. When you can carry your own half-decent movie and make $200 million with it, that's probably your best.

What do you think? Yeah, I'm going to go. Bullock as well. I don't really believe that, but it's closer than I can get. I'm going to throw a curve. Dennis Hopper. I was thinking about that,

but he's got too much stuff already. He's on the downside. Yeah, but that's from like, you know, Easy Rider is like 1969, man. And that's like barely a movie top of the mountain. I think we're not the mountain.

I think we're not the generation. The Easy Rider, if you're like 55 was like your movie. I guess. Jeff Daniels? No. No. If you combine it with dumb and dumber?

It's like a 1990 and mush them together. kind of combo apex? What about seeing the bus driver? That's tough. Unintentional comedy award. The old lady blowing up fucking killing. She starts looking over.

That's so bad. The idiot FBI dude on the other things like, jump, lady, Joe. Like, what are you doing? You're ruining this whole thing. That kills me. Every scene was seeing him, the bus driver, makes me laugh.

I like when he gets shot. He's still like, he's still trying to do the bus. That's a hero. I got been shot. It's just they're trying so hard to make him something and it doesn't work. Anyone being able to stay over 50 on the freeway. Hilarious if you live here. Like it's maybe 10 times.

Did you have done that back then? Was it plausible back then? There's just so much traffic all the time here. Like it really honestly would have been more realistic. He was like, if the bus goes over 30, it's going to blow out. They're like, oh my God, 30. I don't know if we can get there. What time of the day was all this happening?

It was morning, right? It was the morning. My choice, Dennis Hopper running. He has that one thing when he slides away and he does that weird. It's like Jack Nicholson running in the department. Same kind of thing. Like he's just not coordinated. Like an octopus.

Yeah, that was my favorite part. Did I miss anything? For me, it was them not checking to see if he was dead and not looking for any. Like, that's hilarious to me to think about now. This guy just tried to kill 15 people. They look for a leg of the other. Any body parts? No.

Something. Something. And there's always like any Keanu movie, some of his lines are like, University of Arizona. Wildcats. I never know whether to count anyone on there because I feel like it's part of the gimmick with Keanu. Is the unintentional comedy just there the entire time?

Yeah, for me, it's cans. Cans. There was no big, it was full of cans. Are you sure? Cans. It's just cans. When they hit the baby carriage. That's an awesome scene.

That's a rewatchable scene. That's a tough. They hit the cans and, you know, Annie's like, oh my God, I just killed a baby. And he's just like, it's cause. And he's laughing. Who carries his hands? In a big ass baby stroller too.

It was like a... At what point in this movie do you think Keanu is like, I'm going to try to fuck this lady if we get off this bus? See like that from a jump. 30 minutes in? The jump? I don't know when his brain starts going there. Like, I got to get off this bus because I'm going to make a run at this lady.

No, I think it's when, I think it's after Harry dies and she really is there for him in that moment. That's why. Harry dies. He's like grabbing that car bail. He's like, no! And she's like, stay with me, Jack. We need you right now. These people need you.

And she talks him down. And in that moment, he's like, you know what? He got a white. I'm going to put a ring on this thing. He was wearing in about three minutes. Was that the first time he cussed in the movie? He says fuck right there. That probably is the unintentional comedy word winner.

Kiano tantrum. All right. We're going to pick some nits. We covered, would you really answer a payphone right after a bus blew up? Why not? I'm going to say no. Have you guys ever picked up a pay phone back in the day? How do they know what number to call?

I got to say, like, as a person. How do they know he's going to be right there? Yeah, yeah. He's watching all those cameras. As a person that plays a lot of video games, you just know when the payphone rings, that's a side mission. That's a bad. That's a side mission.

You got to get in that mission. Okay. That's the only way to access that mission. Keanu stabbing the gas tank to stay underneath the bus, getting just gas pouring. I wouldn't question what the plan was there. I don't know why they did that. Gas. It's gas.

That thing. And then she's on top of him multiple times after he's just covered in gasoline. Like he had to stink. Yeah. That doesn't go away. Never brought up again. That smell doesn't go away. The bus stopping for Sandra Bullock in the first place.

I know she was friends with him. He's gone. He's out. He's like, fuck that lady. My dad does that all the time. Okay. He's got like a hole. He's got regular.

He's got people you stop for. He takes some tacos sometimes. times in the morning. Like, that's the thing he does. Okay. Bus drivers. Bus drivers are dope. I'm pro bus drivers.

He too. Hopper setting off the explosion when he kills the old lady. Probably blown out the front right tire on causing an accident, I would say. He's a genius. 80% chance. One of them that stuck out for me was when they go for the first time into the airport, they drive over the tire spikes and they show the tire, pop. Yeah.

And then they never go back together. It's fine after that. Yeah. I, at the Staples Center once, drove over the tire spikes. I went in the wrong way. Whoa. And guess what happened? What?

Nothing. Nothing. I think tire spikes are like a sham. Wow. Wait, this is. Hold on. This should have been the podcast. This is like buried the lead.

I was going in. I was, wasn't somebody texted me. I wasn't totally paying attention. And I went on the wrong side. And it went right over it. And I was like, what was that noise? And I look and I had gone over. And I'm like, oh my God.

I just blew out all four tires. I'm like creating this in my mind and it's like, you get a text from house. Yeah, you never guess what I'm eating right now, Bill, and it's like, Papa, oh, no.

Have you ever had short ribs? Yeah, and I get out of the car and I'm like, oh my God. Are you by yourself? I'm by myself. I'm meeting somebody at the game and my car's fine. Dennis Hopper slipping and calling her wildcat. Twice several times. He did it on purpose.

He was playing with him. Kind of wants to get caught, right? He does. You in that wild cat. He's letting him know he's smarter than them. Are we sure you could have put the camera in the bus in 1994? They have cameras in there already. He just hacked into it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, the camera was like this big. With no sound. People can't see on podcast what I'm doing. I'm putting my head. It's this big. Like I said, it was a sandwich. It was a sandwich.

I'm just saying in 2017, I'd be 50-50 for that picture staying in the whole time. In 2007. Just perfect picture the whole time? We had cameras on our school buses, I remember, in middle school. So this was early 90s. Yeah, they could have. I think the feed cuts out at least seven times. Why didn't Jeff Daniels realize that Hopper's place was wired to blow up?

I'm going to say he's lousy at his job. But you got to go into that thinking, like, we got to be careful guys. Right. This guy's a mad bomber. Maybe he bombed his whole house. I will say, like, we need to shouts to Jeff Daniels death face. What a great, incredible death face. Actually, it should be a meme and should be used more like in life than on the internet.

His cheek quivers and it's like he knows it's like, oh. of course this guy fucking had his house bombed. It's the same face he makes him dumb and dumber when he realizes the toilet doesn't work. Weird. No bus survives the jump. We're really going to pick that. Every bus collapses. Forget about the bus going up, but even the bus landing is just not.

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to speed. All right, we're back. Three more categories. Best quote. I only had four. I'm out to miss one, but these are the four. Stay on or get off. Don't get dead. That's a good one. I like that. Actually, could have been the title. Potentially, don't get dead is a great. Every action movie That's pure Josh Sweden right there. You know, relationships that start under intense circumstances, they never last. Good quote just in general on life. I guess we'll have to base it on sex. That's what I was going to say.

That's a bomb. Good comment. And then the last one, which I think is the winner of the Pop Quish Hot Shot, there's a bomb in the bus. Once the bus goes 50 miles an hour, the bomb is armed. If it drops below 50, it blows up. What do you do? What do you do?

What do you do? Pop Quiz Hot Chat is probably the, iconic thing that's last thing from this movie. What do you do? What do you do is good. The whole part's great. I think if you only do pop quiz hot shot, if you do that whole thing, that's too long for the quote. It needs to be something.

Pop-cois hot shot is really the quote. You know which one I like? And I'm surprised you didn't mention it. Jeff Daniels in the after the elevator scene, he says, guts will get you so far, only get you so far until they get you killed. And I'm like, there you go. I like, I like, from the beginning. Anything that'll keep this elevator from falling?

The basement. That's the first thing he says in the whole movie. It's the base. It's a dark, dark joke. In the research, it said Keanu thought it was like too kind of quick and funny, the original script and one of them that toned back. Because that was that era of action movies just like, I kill you and here's my witty joke out there. And Canada's like, can we cut that? But then launches it with that.

That's a good move for Keanu because that, after that, we didn't do that anymore. We didn't do the drop of. and then, oh, I lied. Like, we didn't have that. Vin, Vin Diesel will dip into it. He will, yeah. As like a hat tip, though. He'll dabble.

As a hat tip to the past. To the old generations. Everyone agreed? Pop Quiz Hot Shot is probably the most memorable. Definitely. All right. Probably unanswerable questions. I only had three.

I was hoping you guys could add some to this. Was this the greatest summer for L.A. freeways ever? Speed, O.J. I don't know how we top it. It's like the bird of magic of L.A. freeway moments. How do we top that? Within a week of each other. Nobody had ever thought about

LA Freeways as much. It's pretty good. Yeah. Is this movie better or worse with a young than cage playing Jack Traven? Worse. Way worse, but more interesting also.

It's worse. I'm sure. I'm sure. You need Keanu. Imagine him doing cans. Yeah. Cans! Cans!

Like laughing. Maniacly. Yeah. Because that was the face-off era right around then, right? We hadn't started yet. We were getting into it. But he had already...

It would have been Nick Cage's first real action movie. He had already gone crazy. Yeah. He would have been a little... He wouldn't have been able to do the steady, stayed, polite police officers. You wouldn't have felt comfortable with Nick Cage on your bus? He don't have the right eyes. Yeah.

Do you think Keanu could have been better in Conair or Face Off? Wow. No. No. No. No. It's a perfect Nick Cage vehicles. Perfect.

Which one is more perfect? Conair. Face Off is more fun, probably, to watch him go through all of the bits. Yeah. I really want to get into faceoff. I have a lot of problems with that movie. I just think the wife knows. They haven't having the same sex with the guy for 20 years.

And all of a sudden it's like, new guys. New moves and just there's no way. There's no way their dicks were the same size. Like something had to be different. Right. She knows and she kind of liked it. That was my takeaway. Maybe they had, maybe they did like dick swap surgery as well.

No. Like they're doing the face. How much surgery could they have? All of a sudden, like her husband's not called dickle. It's not called dickle. It's like. What's wrong with you? I can't wait to do faceoff.

Faceoff's one of the ones we think about doing for the live audience. We should definitely do that. Greatest title ever for an action movie. The Terminator, Speed, face off, cliffhanger, die hard, first blood.

That's a good... Or other. That's a good question. Or other. No, it's die hard. Die hard. Die hard is a great title. Die hard is just too strong.

Such a good title. Those are all 96 and above. scores all of those ones. The breed isn't brought up. Speed's just a great, great, great title. Yes. I think it's the Terminator because just say the Terminator. That's a cool thing to say. You want to see that. The Terminator. You're going to see the Terminator?

Yeah, I'm going to see the Terminator. I think I read that Speed's original original title was minimum speed. No way. No way. That person got fired. That would have been bad. That guy got reassigned. I like I like Die Hard or Terminator. One of those two. I think Shade might be the only person I've ever met

who likes action movies more than I do. I fucking love them. They're so much fun. Like, I've seen all the ones you've seen, but you'll watch the hunted seven times. Yeah. If it's on TV, I'm going to watch it. That's a good one because they're in the fucking forest, but in the city still. And they're like making weapons out of rocks and shit.

Like, just go get a gun and shoot them in the head. But you're building a knife. That's when you know that the shit is real. That's like First Blood. That's like any movie where a guy, that's like Commando when Schwarzenegger is like in the greenhouse. It's like, watch this. I'm going to heal my. with like a shotgun shell and like some wire around in here.

That's when you know a guy is for real. Yeah. The movie that they've done all kinds of variations from, and I feel like they've never done the right kind of budget version of it is like rich people hunting the wrong person. The most dangerous game kind of thing? Yeah, it's like we've seen 14 variations of it. And even The Hunger Games is basically like that.

But we've never just had the really low, almost like the plot for 8mm where the guys just like, I'm rich, make me a snuff film and really kill the girl. Right. This would be like just rich people, just awful, terrible rich people being like, who's in it? I want to hunt real people. I'm tired of hunting deer. Are you the fan of the purge at all?

The purge series? Yeah, that's what I mean. It's that there's pieces of this movie, but it's not like Silicon, it's so calm valley. It's like CEOs from seven different tech firms and they're just like, Peter Field. What's going to? I need, I need fresh blood. People.

They have the version of that with surviving the game, the Ice Team movie. That's another one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But even like the running man is basically like that, right? With Schwarzenegger where it's like a game show, but it's the same premise. It's been done. I've never seen it done the perfect way. Let's go.

Shea, we should just write this. I'm in. All of us. Let's just all write it. We'll just all write pages of it. Who won the movie? Keanu Reeves, Sandra Bogg, Dennis Hopper. I have no other choices.

Man. Sandra for me. I say Sandy too. Yeah, I think Sandy as well. She's fantastic. She gives you a full range. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The full Sandy experience in this movie.

What do you think, Donnie? He's going to say Keanu. I was going to stick with him now. Yeah, I got to stick with Keanu. My big takeaway from this movie is Donnie just rides with Keanu. Yeah. That's it. It's your dude.

He's good. You've earned a spot in the John Wick 1 and 2, rewatchables. The difference for me with Keanu and Sandra in this movie is when I watched Speed, if I'm just looking at it from Keanu's side, I want to watch Speed again. I want to watch it again. And when I watch Speed through Sandra Bullock, I want to see more movies that Sandra Bullock is in. That's a difference for me.

That's why I'm going to say. I think one of the reasons I like it other than she's just so goddamn likable in this movie. And she's also likable in The Vanishing in a lot of the same ways. And she's a hero. I mean, I forgot to mention this in picking nits. Like, what are the odds she would be able to drive the bus? How hard you're a good guy to answer this question? How hard you just to drive a bus?

I don't know. Those turns, being, you know, you have to shift years or anything. Parking is the hardest part. Yeah, you're just going straight. It was kind of sexy when she had like one leg up like this and she was. What's wrong? Nobody saw what I just did, but it. That part has gone wrong in so many movies.

I think that's what makes this good is that she's great and it. The part's great. You're rooting for the person. It's not like gratuitous. We needed a hot girl in there. So it's actually like a real character. I didn't mention one other thing from this movie. movie that I love when people do.

And it's going to be my move if I'm ever getting chased by police. You go to the airport. Shay and I are the same way in that when we watch these movies, when we're the back, you're the bank robber or whoever, you always think about what would I do in this file? You go to that dark place. If I am getting chased by police, I'm going to the airport because then the helicopters can't follow me in there.

Now it's just me and the cops in the airport, but there's, they don't have, they don't know where I am. I get in a parking garage. I can get out quick, dump the car, I can go. You can baby drive with the situation. I got to say like... You guys aren't with me in this? I'm with you.

I just... The helicopters over the airport thing is like one of those things now where in this case, wouldn't they be like, okay, a terrorist bus is at the airport, we're going to stop flights. Yeah.

And now you can fly helicopters over the airport because we need to see what's going on. Wouldn't they just like do that? Probably. Probably. The only thing you worry about is the plane's coming in.

It let them land and then you shut it down. I don't know. Somebody's going to die. Somebody's going to die. Somebody's going to die. die. Do you feel like more people should have died in this movie? No. It was a good number of people died. I could have lost a couple more people in the bus. I think if you do it, if you start killing a bunch of people, it becomes harder to invest in them.

When the old woman dies, when Helen dies, like that's a, oh shit, like this is serious. They just killed her. Everybody could possibly die now, you know. Did we ever figure out what happened to the Latino guy who was handcuffed for a while and then? He just let him go. Yeah. He was not. He was not. not doing that as a police officer. Yeah, he didn't have a badge. He put his badge down.

He just got, they never really followed up that point. He just left. He just had a good-ass story to tell. He was like, I'm out. I'll see you guys later. Any last thoughts, Jason? This is a good movie. I enjoyed it.

Great pacing. Like this and the fugitive are two movies that it's like, you just can't go to the bathroom. This was from Die Hard all the way through, I would say, maybe face off, like, 89 to 97. It's just an amazing run. Like, fugitive. Amazing. That's another one. We'll do that in the rewatchables at some point.

But that one, it's a little slow, but for the most parts, could have come out now. And it's probably my favorite Harrison Ford performance, which is a controversial thing. But I just don't know how many people could have been the fugitive and you're that locked into them surviving. Yeah. Tom Hanks could have played the fugitive. Donnie, last thoughts? Speed, classic, great premise. Proves that you just need a really good one-sentence premise. Last thoughts?

Speed's fantastic. This was fun. Donnie's wrong. I'm right. Jason's right. The pro-Sandra side is right. Donnie's wrong. I don't know what the next re-watchables is,

but I know that we're going to do one next month in Los Angeles at Largo. Yeah. It's happening. Face-off. We have not decided. We might have to face-off's in the running. Bloodsport. Bloodsport.

Ooh, Pulpiction. Pope fiction would be a good one for the crowd. Jackie Brown is Clinton Tarantino's best movie. One of the most re-watchable movies. The problem with Pope Fiction is the whole part with Bruce Wilson, and the girlfriend goes on for 20 minutes. And it's just it kills the movie. if she had just died on the motorcycle and we had been saved

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