The Rewatchables - ‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part Two) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

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All right. Rewatchables part two. How many rewatchables have we done two partners for? Pulp. Did boogie nights? Pulp got two? I think this is the third one. Bogeys?

Yeah. Wow. Didn't even know this is going to be a part. two, but then part one lasted so long where we were like, Jesus, we haven't even gotten to a category yet. I feel like if we redid JFK, I would go two parts, because now we have more documentation. Who said, why can't we go Lucas on it and just die back

and just try to keep making it better? It's a good idea. We should digitally edit that one and get more conspiracy theory in there. Let's take categories, because there is a lot to cover. Most rewatchable scene. Opening shootout scene and Darth Entrance? That's in there, right? Yeah.

Yes. First appearance of Darth Vader. Yeah. Luke meets Obi-Wan Here's about his dad Now that's a name I haven't heard for a long time That was good Not bad, not bad at all right?

He's working on it Of course I know him He's me We got to save C3PO We find out that Vader was seduced About the dark side of the force What does that mean C. Dark side of the force

It's given into your... What's that means? Well, there's a whole prequel trilogy about how that happened. It's an energy field of all living things. It's all out there. Just grab it.

What's his name in heat? What's that guy's name? It's his name in character. I don't know if he has a name. Yeah, he has a name in the movie? How do they name characters that we never see? Kelso. Oh, Kelso.

This is a short scene for me. I just wrote down, Vader fucks up the conference room meeting and choke forces out of dude. Fucked up. Oh, you mean like in a, wow, you fucked that guy up. Yeah. Not like you fucked up the meeting.

No, he wrecks the meeting and then chokes out of dude. Because the guy calls him out. Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force. Don't try to fragment us with your sorcerers ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes are giving you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels hidden fort.

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways. That guy is amazing. I love that guy. And he is, he's so certain and he doesn't know who he's fucking with. He's but the first one to be choked out because after Tarkin is dead, Vader's fucking on.

He's off the leash for the next couple of movies choking out everyone. It was like when Dylan Brooks talked back to Jimmy Butler, the foul line. He's like, don't do that. He'd be choked out. Dylan's body language Not the greatest there

See why he was up against a bigger line Sometimes you know You're right Sometimes you can tell about the pupils It's not right to enjoy every Vader moment Of this movie, right? It's a big bad person Get ready to learn Chinese

Yeah Ready to learn Chinese. The Star Wars bar The can't even By the way, you can throw in after I'm done. I just, I tried to cut it down. I got it. I think this is one of the best scenes of the entire 70s.

It has led to a lot of comedy, a lot of jokes over the years of, oh, my God, what bar do we just walk into this? This is the Star Wars bar, just a million of those. We don't serve droids here. Yeah. Droid racism. Why not? Yeah. Yeah, what's from the droids?

Droids can buy a beer? Well, we didn't know at the time. The droids, they had some problems with the droids. Yeah, have some problems with the joids. The droids are. Oh, tell me. What were the problems? I actually don't know what you're talking about.

Wasn't the droids part of like the clone army or whatever? Oh, no, no, no, no. Well, do you think they know C3, they know 3PO and R2D2 from before? No, I meant like they just have like an antagonism towards droids in general. Right. So during. Joy bias. Well, during, well, not the Clone Wars, but prior to the Clone Wars.

This is why I can't be a Star Wars. What? Well, no. Craig's out. Craig just left. I'm asking if that's why he said it. I don't know. I actually don't know.

He said it because droids don't drink and they take up space in bars. Oh, but the original, when the Trade Federation, when it first started, everybody that they were fighting, it was all droids. Okay.

So maybe they didn't like George. They didn't want droids around. Do you think they should be given? He's like, there's a square footage issue. So many drinks they need to turn over for out. It's not as big as it looks, you know? Do you think C-3P should add a Boston accent

and then got mad at the bartender and be like, you think you're mad at me? Do you like the Star Wars Coutina more or less than the verdict bar? No, the verdict bar is number one. Is this bar

the same set as the bar and Raiders? It's not, but they have a similar energy. With the way the bar is set up. Yeah, a lot of scoundrels in the mix there. We get monster with testicles on his chin, we get the negotiation

with an an solos for 17K. And most important, we get a shooting with Han and Grito, which becomes the most... I never knew anything about this to the research. The Star Wars Universe loses their fucking minds about this. Yeah. Why is this so important?

Because it's Central to Han Solo's character. And... It's the MJ versus LeBron of nerd culture. Absolutely. For my dead body. Uchle Numa. Chespo cutoutouta, Christa, Enko. Yeah, Oscar.

Yes, I bet you have. Matanki. I don't know. It's central to Han's character. Well, can you go backwards? So in the first cut of the movie, which no longer exists, people think Grito never shot at him? Han shot first.

Hans shot first. Yes. That's why they have the Han shot first t-shirts. But then in 97, what happens? They change it to where Grito takes a shot at Han. And misses. And then Hans kills him. And like ducks?

And Grito's like, McClunky, which is like a line that was not in the movie originally. And the fucking, and the Star Wars nerds lost their mind. So this is the, This was like the most egregious violation. They read Congress. His decency. Right. Yeah.

And this is the thing, right? This is, to me, emblematic of what happens to something when it is consumed by the masses. Solo has already been established as a good guy. He goes from being a scoundrel and someone who only thinks about himself to being a good guy. We don't need to make him a good guy at his core. His character art is that he finds value in his friends. and in his relationships and then becomes

He comes back at the end. He's the guy. That's the value of it. We don't need him to always at his core have been a good guy. He is the type of guy that says, oh, you're here for this.

I recognize my opportunity. I will kill you before you have the opportunity to kill me. Can I ask you a random question? They shouldn't have changed that. What would have been a better name for a rapper? Han Solo or Grito.

Grito is the rapper. O3Griott is. O3Griott is. Grape tree, Crips. Yeah. I can bring him in here. Is it actually Grito or is it like an extended name? No.

His name is 03 Grito. O3, but that's not Grito. His name is Grito though. Inspired by Grito. Yeah. Great name. It is. Grape Street.

Very unforgettable. We should go to Wodoo. We should go down to Watts. We should go down to Watts. That's what we should have had in for this. Like the actual. Star Wars and the Star Wars pod in Watts? In Watts.

We should have gone down and did it with the Grape Streets. They'd have been... I'm gonna move on. I have R2 and Chewy playing circle chess. What's going on there, CR? They're just playing futuristic 3D risk chess. Yeah. You skipped one of my favorite low-key scenes, though.

Stop. Tarkin making Leo watch him blow up her planet while Darth puts his dad hands on her. Yeah. Really, like, awesome. That's pure kink. That is kink right there. And it's also one of the most illest things I've ever seen. I grow tired of asking this, so it'll be the last time.

Where is the rebel base? Dantuin. They're on Dantuin. There, you see, Lord Vader, she can be reasonable. Continue with the operation. You may fire when ready. What? You're far too trusty.

Dantuin is too remote to make an effective demonstration, but don't worry. We will deal with your rebel friends soon enough. No. When I was a kid, the first time I was like, they're not going to blow that planet up, though. Not just to test the weapon. That's the sakes of the movie. Yeah.

Also, look at the sheer shock and horror on her face. When he goes, ready to the weapon system, fire at will. And when you say you're far too trusting? Yeah, you're far too trusting. Yeah, far too, touch. Ready at the fire will. What? And then she has to watch everyone, her family, everybody she's ever known, blown up. To be fair, though, she gets over it pretty quick.

Yeah. I have some notes about that a little later. Yeah. Well, during the circle chest scene, we learn that it's not wise to upset a wookie. Luke tries to figure out the force of the lightsaber. Solo's like, fuck it, I don't believe in the force. You guys are fucking crazy. And then Obie's just coming in with the, your eyes can deceive if you don't trust them. It's doing his thing.

I really like all that's going on in that scene. There's just, there's a board guy. game going on. There's somebody trying to figure out the force. Hans Solo's cracking shit. You went on that scene? Of course. Okay.

I have the Falcon crew breaking into the mothership. What are our thoughts of a chewy with a gun? What's going on with him? Well, I think he's a prisoner, so he's pretending to be able. Would you want to break into a mothership of that guy? It's so close. the long legs? How dare you?

Talk about Chewbacca this way. Did you look in the mirror last night? I told you would have this coffee. I was going to be fucking lit. But you came in with like a really good Alec Guinness. Like a really good idea. And then you just black. He's been hiding in this way.

You know, what the fuck? You know, why he's treat chewing his way? Joey's the muscle. You got to have them. The princess. They're going to save her. We figure out. Are they going to find them?

We're a first stormtrooper, yeah. Vader. How do you feel about Vader? It's like, a presence I've not felt since. What is this? Yeah. Feeling of...

Remember, that's his master. That's his teacher. They're locked in the force. And this is their third duel that they've had. There's Mustafa. Then there's the duel that happened in the Obi-Wan movie. We don't recognize that. And so this is the, I agree.

And so this is the third duel that they have, but this is a guy who's been trained him since he was a little boy. So they're connected in the first. force. He also cut him to pieces and threw him in lava. He's probably like, hmm, this is the all-time. Well, I'll say it for Apexna. I'm pissed off. Right. It turns out he's not feeling the force. It's Bill Belichick's girlfriend.

He's trying to interrupt the same. She's got a little bit of Princess Leigh energy. Should she have been there when Leia was being questioned about the location of the Rebel? We're not talking about that. Stop. I'm talking about that. How do you feel about escape is not his plan? I must face him alone. You just slipped into Charles Bronson.

I just watched Death Flash. What do you mean, the force? How do you feel about his playing to face Obi-Wan alone? They're still on journeys. Vader is still on a journey. Vader has a journey that was outlined for him and for the emperor. It's so, the lore is so densier. But for him to, and Obi-Wan actually has a journey as well,

he makes his decision to become one with the force so that he can become a force ghost and all that stuff. So them facing each other is a separate battle than the one that's happening between the Empire and Rebelly. A little pro wrestling in this. It's like we got to do a steel cage

match and really figured this out. Yeah. We've had a couple other matches. There's some double countouts. This is a loser leaves town. Loser leaves his corporeal form. And we go right into the garbage hole. What would you call? Compactor. Compactor? Yeah. Are you there, sir? Dreamio?

We've had some problems. Will you shut up and listen to me? Shut down all the garbage masters on the detention level, will you? Do you copy? Shut down all the garbage matches on the detention level. And we get the garbage snake. Now, was that in the original movie or are they ad shit? That's actually the name of a van's favorite Axel Braun movie.

Garbage is garbage thing. It's a dark, dark, dark movie. This whole scene is really, really. This is, would you say this is the, what's our category for the, okay motherfucker! It's up there. This is when it really kicks up.

I think okay motherfuckers when Darth Vader blasts through a door in the first scene, but it's, this is so cool, even though like some of the physics of it don't really make any sense. Yeah.

It's, I always, and every time I watch it, I'm really nervous that they're not going to get out. I'm worried that one of them is going to go down. That they're going to get squashed. Yeah. It seems like every time you're so happy that 3PO comes through. Because they're so elated.

Yeah. They don't get squashed. Squashing scenes always work where people are like, and you're just... Yeah. One of my favorite cuts in the whole movie is when Luke has got the radio and he's screaming and he's saying, 3PO! 3PO!

And then it cuts to the mic on the other end and 3PO's not there. Oh, my God. And you can hear it and he's stuck behind the closet door. Or when 3P thinks that they're all dead, he's like, oh, damn it! And then Chu is like Oh Stop with the 3PO is

Get such a raw deal Because a lot of Star Wars fans don't like 3PO Really? Yeah, some of it's kind of annoying But he's got some good lines R2 is a hero Artu is a hero He shows up

Don't come on you're doing so well He's kind of Draymondi I would say You know like Arto is 3Pia R2 is like Draymond And Luke is Steph in this equation.

Basically. You know, like we need, Luke needs R2. True. Like his navigator. Yeah. Like,

Tremont with no flagrants or anything. Yeah. And he always comes through. He's brave. He's fighting. He fights. He's resourceful.

Hold on his brave little joy. Okay. He didn't, he didn't knock my socks off in either viewing, but maybe I miss some stuff. There's a lot more stuff. Cantina into Death Star

Invasion into Compactor. Crack. Yeah. Incredible sequencing. So good. Uh, Darth versus Obi-Wan. No, I am the master.

Your powers are weak old, Ben. I'm starting to sound like Chung Lee a little bit. Oh, uh, the blood sport. This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of Kenobi. It will soon see the end of the rebellion. Did you want more from the Sabre fight or no? I think it was a sacrifice for very, you know, for a longer game.

How did you feel about Sir Alex, like little twirl move? Kind of slow. Yeah. We can get into that. Little Kendrick Perkins in the low post kind of jump hook energy. I watched the tape on this one when I got up in the morning. It wasn't great.

They could have stunt doubled him, maybe. He's old. Look, I will say that we reinvented the lightsaber battle in the prequel trilogy. Like, obviously, Ray Hart. Doing flips and shit. Doing flips and, but Lucas even used story to explain that.

He goes, there were thousands of Jedi. It was a more elegant time. like Obi-Wan says, and they fought with more flair and more style. Seven different styles of lightsaber defense and offense. So, JJ Reddick, plumbers, and whatever he said. But that's the future.

But this is different, though. Reveret. And this is what is this? Reverts you good. J.J. Reddick. Plumbers were in the old days. Now these guys haven't used the saber in a long time. If JJ plays LeBron for another second half,

it's going to look like Alexei's in two. He was like, oh. These jetties were driving cabs at night to make extra dough. I was trying to think if, like, Shannon Sharp not being on first take anymore, if they have to jumpstart the ratings,

they should do segments where they do stuff like them actually breaking down Obi-Wan versus Vader and just being like, Ovi, take the fight! He tanked it!

He just rolled over! This is why he wasn't the greatest Jedi. Just like hands fine. How many rings does Obi-Wan? What's he doing? He's just in the desert. It's not even a great Jedi.

What is he doing? Is it a good question? Two more scenes. The Millennium Falcon comes back to Save Luke, which I don't remember seeing the experience of seeing this in the theater other than being like, whoa, outer space. But I guess a lot of times people cheered in the theater when the Falcon, when the Falcon showed up. That was like a moment fan.

I have you now. Then out of nowhere he's knocked out. And they don't kill Vader. Yeah. Don't kill Vader. Great shot, kid. That was one in a million. Have you not?

Look out. All this thing. The Trench Run is my most rewatchable scene. This is this whole sequence. Well, I had one more. It's the same thing of the movie. I had one more scene. Okay.

I kind of like the big ceremony at the end. You do? Yeah, I do. Everybody has never been in the ceremony. It's just kind of an epilogue. It's not really a seat. Like, there's very little dialogue. Did she we get like a metal?

No, this is the whole thing. Oh, don't, don't act. You know this, right? No, he's on the stage. No, this is the whole thing. There's a whole thing about this. He never got a medal. And they had to give him a metal in the later movies.

And, you know. Does it go against, like, you're not, you're not. No, no. It's just like he got, he wasn't, I didn't understand why he was on the stage. Well, technically, what did he really do?

Wow. Wow, he's also disrespecting Chui. Chewy doesn't fly anything. Luke blows up the death store. He's first mate of the Millennium Falcon. Yeah, he was on board. Okay. Oh, man.

So you don't think you'll think Chooey deserved a member. Are we sure if it's a participation trophy, we can get it out. Wait, hold on. Now only do I think that Chuie deserved the medal, I think the droids should have got medals, too. I agree. There's a cutaway to the droids and they're just like,

they're all shined up, but I think they should have got metal suit. But just to let you know, the fact that Chui didn't get a medal is a gigantic deal and in, I think, it's Rise of Skywalker, an abomination of the film. A movie in which he should have been killed. Right. Yes. And they ended by giving him a medal.

They gave him his medal. They gave Chooey's medal. I'm going to do my CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison for it. How to Take Award right now? Chewbacca most over-in-sidekick ever. stands out everywhere he goes. You can't slide into any. Super tough right now.

Just wait. It's a hottest take. I'm sorry. I thought I was doing hot as takes. You're right. Everywhere you go with him, he stands out. He's a fucking behemoth. Who's not going to notice him.

He speaks an unintelligible language that only one other person understands. He can't do anything. Okay. He's fucking useless. Wait. Wait, wait. Wait, wait. You don't really see him fly shit.

You don't know what the fucking... Bill. Bill. You can't break down the door. Bill. Break down the door in you. It's superhuman strength. You did so well for like two hours.

You had another coffee. You don't know what the fuck. Can I finish? Wait, never uses the size of strength. And I don't understand why he was even on the stage. Like, okay, first of all, he is like two star troopers. He is an expert pilot. He's actually an expert shot with the movie.

Does he show piloting in the movie, though? Like, is he ever piloting the, What the gun is embarrassing? When they're leaving Tatouine and they're escaping and going in a hyper speed, you know, Chewy was there. He was co-pilot in Millennium Falcon. That wasn't some elite, you know, he's the mechanic of the fucking shit. The Kessel Runny 12 and Parsec didn't parsec itself.

He fixes the ship. Remember the movie, Sully? Who was the co-pilot? I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. All right. I don't know. How's take?

I thought it was going to be. Also, the muscle, once again, he's... I want a little more. How about he could have fucked a couple more guys up? I think he has more utility in the future films physically. Yeah. In the next two. That's what I wanted.

And by the way, it is... Fun to look at. Chewbacca that Canobi talks to... That's absolutely right. In order to get Luke and Canobi onto the ship. He arranges the whole deal. To me, I think there is a case for most rewatchable scene for the canteena scene, because the canteen scene gives you this.

It gives you, Obi-1 wields a lightsaber. The first time you really see, which is very exciting. It's the first time you also see a limb get cut off in a Star Wars movie, something that recurs throughout all of these movies. You get Han Ingrido, which is super small character moment in a movie that tells us a lot about the world that we're in. And then you get this great getaway sequence. That's all part of the canteena.

plus the jazz score and all the cool characters from that scene are all in that little 12-minute pocket of the movie. It sounds like you're making the case. For me, it's 100% the can't-you-think. You think it's the can't-tina? I love the can't-rata. My vote was going to be trench run, but I do think there's a case for canteen-a.

So it's so much fun. It's just the most fun, 12 minutes. I can't believe there's like a sequence of a sci-fi movie that lasts 20 minutes and still like 40 years later. I'm like, yep, and then Porkens comes in, and then this happens, and then the tie fighters get behind them, but then the one tie fighter spins out. And I feel like it's like one of the most amazing error sequences,

outer space sequences, ever come in a default. It's, okay, so between the two scenes. And it's also basically the plot of Top Gun Maverick. It's between the two scenes, it's including them getting off the plane. It's the end of Top Gun. It's between these two scenes to me. I could make maybe, maybe an argument for the entire sequence where they're actually dressed like stormtroopers

and they are rescuing, rescuing Princess Leia. However... The Chewbacca part was a little dicey. He's a prisoner. We're transferring him. If we're talking about... Again, rewatchable scenes.

The scene that has been the most recreated, my blood's blood, is to me, the trick-front. It was, to me, the most signature scene from Star Wars. So that's your most re-watchable? That's my most re-watchable, for sure.

Trent-R-R-R-R-R. All right, two for two. I'm actually with them I'm just for the record I was just making the case for the sake of the pot can'tina or to be honest I kind of love when they're just

like running around the Death Star trying to escape stuff like that It is fun too You know what else is fun about that Yeah There's been so many movies since And so many of them have cribbed

from them being trapped And like I watched this And I kept thinking to all the Austin Powers movies How many things they've ripped off From Star Wars Like the big conference room all that stuff It's also, there's so many things across, obviously, the entire trilogies of films and shows.

But even within the film where you're watching something, you're like, oh, wow, kind of getting away with this. And then it turns out, like, Vader talks Target into letting them go so that they can track them back to the rebel base. It's like, everything has it after later. He was on one in this movie. Mastermind. Really, really using the force in the wrong ways. In a dark way, almost, yeah. What's the most

1977 thing about this movie, C.R? Nixon being in it? No. I guess some of this like the laser beam special effects, some of the explosions where it just looks like a sparkler going off.

I mean, like they did incredible stuff, but there are certain things that they just couldn't catch up with yet. I see, I wrote that down in the book as a positive, just that the overwhelming amount of practical effects, the hand-drawn imagery,

like the matte paintings as backgrounds, the models, the optical effects, like all stuff that you just don't see nearly as much in movies, which I like also a lot of white people in this movie. Oh, I can't wait to talk about that. I have a whole section. Do you? Yeah.

What do you have for most 1977? The creatures. The fact that the creatures are not CGI, they're real, they're, you know, guys in suits, you know, all of that stuff. I had Mark Hamel's Cassidy Boys, Andy Gitt haircut kind of vibe. Yeah. It's very 1977.

You could have been on 20 TV shows. Ironically, he was on 8 is Enough in the pilot. He played the oldest son, a show where Dick Van Patten had 8 kids, and then got out of the show so he could be in Star Wars. He's like, can he please let me out of the contract? Interesting. Chance to be in Star Wars. But that haircut was just there for two years.

You know who's remaking 8 as enough is Robert Sala? They're actually remaking that on Disney Plus. Yeah. So good luck to him. Does he have a lot of kids? He has like eight kids, yeah. He just had a lesser more than Flaker Sage.

He and Philip Rivers are in a OB-1-DARth-esque duel to have more children. What stage the best? What do you got? Boom, so many things. Interconnected Galactic Universes. I mean, this is contemporary storytelling in Hollywood right now.

ILM, the creation of the first studio that is focused entirely on effects. Princess Leia as a fearless hero, not just the damsel in distress. I feel like it's huge. I'm very excited to show this movie to my daughter because I know she will be magnetized to Leia

and be all about her. What if your daughter's like, damn Grito? Could be, knowing some of her interests. Yeah, don't get too excited about showing any movie to your kids because they can always just watch 10 minutes to go, Dad, this sucks. Can we go get everything? That's in play, but there's a 0% chance she's not interested in Leia.

Sword fighting? Sword fighting is never not. cool. This is a great choice in this movie to find a hyper-technical, forethinking way to do sword fighting, whether it's King Arthur or Robin Hood or the Three Musketeers, or the way that it just like run, you know, all the samurai movies, it just runs through movie history and he finds another cool way to do sword fighting. You mentioned Harrison a bunch of times. I mentioned the fast spaceships thing. That's like, that had never really

been done before in a movie. Or it was like, these spaceships are going fast because he had just made American graffiti. He loves cars. And he was like, I see the Rebel Alliance as like hot rods, and I see the empire as like cars off the line made by the major carmakers. And so I want the movie to feel like hot rod culture. It's kind of like the Fast and Furious in a lot of ways. That's like a really smart choice that aged really well

because now every space movie you see, fast cars. What do you have, Sierra? The force being a kind of forgotten religion or spiritual discipline that only like three zealots still practice, like for all the other Star Wars that we have, it's like the central preoccupation of the story, and we as viewers are supposed to understand

mitochondrions and how it works. And this, it's like, now these three weirdos still talk about it, but for the most part, it's kind of been phased out, and it's all about industrial strength. It's like the long two. There's still some guys out there. Back to the Leonard,

Pete Zibis. Yeah. Obi-1 is the Damar de Rose. I'm not to say, DeMarr, yeah. Then there's just all the stuff that when you're watching and you've come across it, you're like, I've actually had this in the, this has been taking up brain space for 40

years, like the two stormtroopers who are getting distracted, being like, you see the new BT-16 and I'm just like, how did they just like throw that line in there of these two guys bullshitting with each other? Or the way that every squadron checks in like Red 5 standing by?

Like, I want to text you on Thursday night and be like Red 5 standing by before you're gonna let your star. Gold leader, this is Red Five. I am watching New York, Detroit. Well, same for what saves the best, the guy hitting his head. Oh, yeah. Which became lore, and then the stormtrooper coming in, and he hits his head, and it became a thing.

And instead of editing out, Lucas added a sound effect to it, and it became a whole. Yeah. It's on YouTube. I think I alluded to this, but just the literal beats of the trench run, which I think has elements of, like, movies like the Dam Busters and other films that Lucas was influenced by. But, like, that clearly is, like, that's the best we can do with an aerial attack idea. So we're just going to put that in Top Gun. We're going to put that.

I was shocked how many movies ripped off even that. Like, I think it's the ending of four different fast and furious movies. The hero pilot being, like, I've lost my confidence, but now I've gotten it back. Right. Yeah. Is such a recurring motif. So, Dan, what do you got? So, the number one thing that's AIDS the best to me in the entire movie is Darth fucking

Vader. Darth Vader goes from being a cool, mysterious villain to a cultural icon that really now the entire franchise is oriented around. So more than anything, I got

ILM on here, Death Star's Period. They put a Death Star in something every two years. The lightsaber has become an iconic toy that everyone fucking has. It was, it revolutionized the sword. It was like a new

sort of new take on it. But Darth Vader to me has become so important, not just as a villain, but as a flawed hero. Because we get so much more of his story after this, that really, as

much as this is about Luke, it becomes about him too. And now that might be the most recognizable Star Wars thing that exists. Even the voice of James Earl Jones. Completely recognizable. Does it create the prestige TV late 90s, anti-hero craze?

Darth Vader is John Dr. Is there more than Darth Vader meatbone? What I will say it does, though, is it, to me, it does have a big hand, or plays a big part, should I say, in investigating the motivations of our villains. Because midway through the next movie, or not midway through the next movie, at some point in Jedi, Luke is going to start thinking,

not that I have to defeat this guy, but that I have to save him. And that kind of changes the trajectory of the entire three-film trilogy. How do you guys feel about introducing the villain immediately in the movie? It's like they use Darth Vader so much. It's like the opposite of the shark and Jaws.

I mean, the music is there where every time you hear it, oh, it's Fader Time. But he's immediately, usually it's like you take a while, right, before the villain is introduced. It's like the first scene of the film is Darth Vader. He's not the villain of the movie, though. The Emperor is the villain of the movie. But he's only mentioned.

it seems like he is. And we come to find out, and that's part of the Lucas genius, is that he hasn't mapped out. Like, he knows where he wants to go, and he's going to show us the emperor soon if he gets to make another movie, and that he is this true force of evil.

And then when you see the prequels, you're like, he actually is the true force of evil. He is the engineer of this whole revival of the Sith mythology. Greatest villain in film history to me. Yeah. But Darth is more just a tragic Shakespearean guy who's lost his way. And once again, you see him first because you're kind of in his story.

You know what I mean? I mean, let's be honest. They're not like an awesome hang. No. Okay. All that breathing? Yeah. Yeah, let's choke somebody out there in a conference.

Very angry. You can't smoke darts around him. He'd be the worst podcaster ever. The breathing is a night. Oh, wow. Dardt. We're an exact good chicken. What do you want?

I don't like garlic. How does he eat? Does he have to eat? He's got feeding tubes. He's got feeding tubes. He's got to be alone. He's really fucked up. All his shit is fucked up.

His eyes are burned to a crisp. His ears, his eardrums are burned to a crisp. He's got no arms. He's got one leg. Nothing's inside it, just like the husk of something. You think he got down every once in a mile or no? We don't know what happened to his manhood.

No, it burned off. Did it burn off? Did they actually explicitly say that? We know that? I'm thinking. I think I'm pretty sure that most of his opinions just burned off. Oh, man. I'm assuming.

I'm not telling you what, though. Is this like an Axel Braun kind of knowledge? Axel Braun did. Star Wars X-XS apportarity, and in that one, it was working just fine. I have some what's the age the best, including mentioned this earlier, the greatest secret probably ever kept in a movie

if you knew, which I assume Lucas knew all the beats for the first three movies. Yeah. And he doesn't tip it off at all. But then when you watch it again, he's tipping it off in a couple spots where you're like, I know,

I know what you're trying to do there. I saw this. So when you first see the movie, I hadn't seen it before. When you first watched the movie, you go, well, he's treating Leah like shit, right? Every, you know,

but like, Leah has a termination order on it, and there's a way to watch the movie to where Darth Vader keeps stalling. Yeah, he, he, you could say that, Definitely.

That's what I was talking about when Tarkin shows the planet getting blown up. And even though he pulls her away from stop, like, jumping on Tarkin or whatever, it is fatherly. Like, there are these moments where it's like something is telling him that. Although I guess he doesn't know Leah's his daughter until later, right? Well, we know it's not getting horny because he doesn't have any manhood. That's right. He's fucking, he's dead from the legs down. You should do the alternate cut word Darth Fox, Leah.

That would be really exciting. Oh, Jesus. That's where the Game of Thrones. That's probably someone to watch a repot. A couple more would say it's the best. Obi-Wan is the ultimate mentor. I just like mentor movies. It's fun.

Every Darth Vader entrance who mentioned. Lightsabers. I had the wrestler Vader. Great gimmick. Oh, Big Van Vader. Phenomenal. One of the greatest athletes of all time. I've never seen a big man move like that.

You were your best fat guy athletes. Like ever? Yeah, like Vader's got to be up there. So Reggie White is up there. Yeah. Reggie White. I would say Kevin Owens has to be up there too. He's amazing athlete.

Vader 2.0. Warren Sap. I was going to say like refrigerator Perry kind of like is. Oh, that's a good one. Those guys are out there. But I would say that. Move on. Move on.

Oh, a great one. Is, is way up there. But like as wrestlers go, like Andre Giant could move around. I don't know if you're talking like, Earth.

Kind of stubbier fat guys who actually have some of. Earthquake and Tubboat those guys. Ron Stroman. Jokes about the Star Wars bar we mentioned. How about? The foreshadowing of The aunt and uncle, Luke's just not a farmer. He is too much of his father and him.

The guy goes, that's what I'm afraid of. He knows. Creating a distinct world of weird aliens, creatures, and villains says age the best. A lot of people have tried. Opening credit scroll. Co-written by Brian DePalma? That's right.

Surprised that he didn't try to work in some voyeurism. Yeah, that's, he could have also written this girl for the porn parody. I mean, he basically made it less nerdy, right? You gotta shorten this a little bit. Yeah, he thought it was... edited it to four sentences, yeah. The Carrie Fisher-Harrison-Ford affair during the movie?

Sure. So what's age the best for Star Wars Lord? Nobody knew until 2016. It's a what age the best? Well, it's just an amazing... Everyone thought they knew everything about this movie. 39 years after the movie. He was 33, she was 19.

He was married. Do you think that age the best? Here's what it's the best. Give it. All right. we're all on the same team here. I'm with it. Here's what age the best.

They kept us hidden for four decades. Nobody knew. And then she wrote this book and she's like, yeah, I had an affair with Harrison Ford the whole time. And it makes so much sense. People are like, well, you... What?

But when you watch the movie, I mean, their energy is so helpful. It makes so much sense when you watch. She's looking at Luke. She's looking at... Yeah. You know, you can see the... The chemistry is undeniable.

Yeah. All the Star Wars parodies all over the place and everything. It's still going? Star Wars. The Bill Murray and SNL, spaceballs. And then I really like this quote from Mark Hamel because he said how he was struggling

how audiences associated with Luke. You have that, I'm only defined by this part and this is just who I am the rest of my life thing. And he told Kerry Fisher about it. And she said, look, I am Princess Leah. Princess Leah, you are Luke. Get over it. And then he said she was able to cut to the quick and see the positives.

I learned so much about her. But that's a good attitude to have. Like, hey, this is the fucking lot we were getting. But he could be like, fucking Harrison Ford is also Indiana Jones. Yeah, right. That's true. That's true. Let's, we'll take a break, come back with more categories.

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Season after season in Pure Michigan. Find your season at experienceGR.com. All right, see, our great shot Gordo award, most cinematic shot. I have a feeling I know what your pick's going to be, but what is it? Great shot, Gil, Gilbert Taylor. Luke staring at the two stunts on Tatooine.

The Binary Sunset. That's right. On the Blu-ray, they have each scene titled, and that was, I just happened to pause it during that scene, and that was what the chapter was called, the binary sunset. Everything that I was talking about before where, like, this movie allows you to fill it in,

fill in the blanks, instead of him saying, like, anything, instead of there being, like, Too many characters talking at him. It's just like, this is a kid. He's looking for a purpose. He knows there's something bigger out there, this greater world. And he's just like looking off into the sunset,

imagining himself getting off the planet that's the farthest from the center of the universe. It's like Sean in the early 2000s after another jet slas, just staring out in the Long Island sound after the butthole. Wonder if anything good would ever happen with the Jets. We were being fine in the early 2000s. We had Chad Pennington. That's true. You were doing all right.

You're an alternate great shot. I have a few. I mean, there's one where Obi-1 is on the control panel inside the Death Star, and he's like flipping levers so that they can attack it and create weakness. And it seems like that sort of corridor is

like bottomless. And it's just a painting that this guy Harrison Ellen Shaw drew. He painted this background. So it looks like you're in this, you know, vast, bottomless construction. And I saw a behind the scenes image of what it looked like when they shot

it versus what the final image is. And it's like astonishing. But they didn't do it in a way that was like modern technology. It's the same technology they used in like Mary Poppins. That is just amazing. But there's like a million versions of stuff like that. Like the first digital effect that they ever created for the movie was when R2 and 3PO leave on the escape pod.

And you see the escape pod shoot out. And you see like the sprinkle star dust basically. out of that and they you know like that's just a beautiful unforgettable image that looks almost like it's documentary or something but it's in a science fiction movie so there's like a bunch of them throughout the movie I also really love the shot of after Obi-Wan gets cut

down it's like the wide shot of Luke standing there in disbelief even though there's already a laser battle like a blaster battle going on and then he finally like puts his blaster up and starts shooting he was staring at disbelief because Obi-Wan choked you had one chance

Obi-Wan leaves the week Weekside on Garden. Bang! Um, uh, Luke, looking up at the the two moons is, I mean... Is it two moons or two sons? It's two sons. I think it's two sons.

Okay. Two sons. The two sons... It's a cool shot. It's a great shot. And also, you're reminded that you're somewhere else. You're somewhere otherworldly. It's important to. But then I like...

I've always been partial to the destruction of Alderon. just the first time we see the Death Star in action, doom, doom, doom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then watching a planet be destroyed. It's a good one. Like, so high stakes, it really rendered well. Kid Cuddy Pursuit Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. I mean, Star Wars bar music?

I have it, that, that, that, da, da, da, da, da, da. Main title or return home, which is basically like the main title's good. The Sean Fantasy Award for Stealth Omage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm. Did you have one? There are a lot. I'll stick to one.

There's a Kurosawa movie called The Hidden Fortress. Yeah. That seemed like it borrowed a lot from that movie, which I've never seen, but I'm. It's worth checking out. I shared with Jack Sanders a side-by-side of several images

that are lifted directly from the Hidden Fortress. You're like Jack's Obi-1. It's really like... Oh, well, Jack is doing a great job. You should wear a brown hood. Use the force. Jack should cut you down with a little bit.

But like, literally. I mean, I can show you these pictures on the laptop. Like, this is these are moments from the Hidden Fortress in which the characters are perfect matches, you know, Princess Yuki and Princess Leia and the droids and the

two tag-along characters in the movie. Like, he is, it is a very overt lifting homage to this Carousala movie. And Spielberg and Lucas were obsessed with Carasala and he's a huge fascination for them. So, without Hidden Fortress, this movie doesn't exist.

that's a great criteria orgasm. Yeah, that was. And it's the Gritius is available from the Criterion Collection. The Chris Ryan Award, would this movie be better if a main character smoked? You didn't know I was giving this one, but... Yeah, I think Han. Can you imagine Han with a fucking camel light behind his ear? Yeah, just like behind his ear, maybe he never smokes it.

What would the cigarettes have been called in the future? Oh, that's a great one. That's a good one. Like, what's like a... What's like a... Banta? Banta lights? Nathletes.

Grito lights? Grito lights? Gretel lights? The Chess Rockwell and Brocklander's a word for best character name. There's a lot of options here. So many. Man, Deter is a really good name. Darth Vader, Hans Solo, Luke Skywalker.

Luke Skywalker's like trying like a whiff too hard. What was he called before that? Luke Star Killer. He's trying a little too hard. You think that's trying too hard, but Darth Vader is... Darth Vader's just like... Let's go. I think it's Darth.

It's like, you guys want to come out tonight? I'm going out with Darth Vader. Like, who? What? Guy's name is Darth? You know there's somebody on Earth right now who's the real name is Darth Vader. Like, there's got to be some parents

who name their kid Darth Vader. You think Darth is like just a do not nameless? Darth is not his name. Yeah, I know. But I'm saying, do you think anyone's actually named? If you named Darth Vader, hit us up at the rewatchables inbox. CR, you have a flex. You have a flex category choice.

Yeah. It's a book about medals award for best quote. A kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. That was my yearbook quote.

Really? Wow. Yeah. Look at it. Wow. Yeah. What a moment here. No, I was just like...

Interesting. I got all under control. Oh, I went to a Quaker school. Oh, you were throwing it in their faces? No, I mean, like, there was that of God and all of us. that's the Quaker belief, you know? But I always loved that on the Civil One. I thought years would be 25 years from now,

do not ask me about Joelle M.B. That's been amazing. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. What do you got, Van? I couldn't think of one. Okay. I legitimately tried to think a one. I got one.

I definitely have one. I know you want to have the Mark Hamel conversation, right? Let's do it right now. So let's have it. Did you know he wanted to have it? I've known Bill for 13 years. I know how he feels about Mark Hamill. I couldn't disagree more, but I'm interested to hear the takes.

Not that good an actor. It's, it's, I'm not sure if ironic is the right word. He has become a beloved actor at this stage of his career for a certain kind of fan. Because he is like a famous voice actor now and he plays like a lot of villains and he's in a lot of Mike Flanagan movies and things like that. Like he, he has taken on this weird. late career character actor Hall of Fame quality that is in direct contrast

to what he was being set up for to Luke yeah in this movie I think you can make the case that he's not great to be around because of what Chris said at the top of the conversation in part one which is that like he's an annoying teenager but yes I think I have so much respect

for starting him at that point and you know there's a lot of dialogue right now about like the Last of Us and the main character and The Last of Us, whether she's annoying, you know, and like how, like, but you have to start at one place and get to another, you know? And I think we're very impatient. We want everybody to be prepackaged as, like, very cool. That being said, there are other people that were looked at for this role

that I think it would have been maybe cooler. I'm excited to talk about it on casting what is. Yeah. I do think, when you think about how good Carrie Fisher is and how good Harrison Ford is, and you would never leave this movie going, you know, it was fucking awesome in Star Wars was Mark Hamel. Yeah. He's, I think Lucas probably saw him as the system quarterback who's just like, I don't need a lot from, I have so much other stuff going on.

I don't really need to shoot the moon with this character. And maybe that's, I just wanted to be young and a little annoying and a little whiny and then he can grow over the course of the movie. But I just, the fact that this was the peak of his acting career, I don't think is an accident. Well, I mean. I'm sorry, I'm sorry Star Wars universe. No, it's great because, I mean, by the time, Jedi comes around, he has got a full grasp on Luke. And once again, flawless three movie art.

All I'd say is, if you look at where the characters are, you have two characters in Leia and Solo that are incredibly sure of themselves. Solo is the most sure of himself character, maybe in movie history. And Leia is settled with all this responsibility. She's a princess. She's a double agent for the resistance. She knows what she's doing. Luke's performance is off-kilter.

because he never really feels like he is where he wants to be. And so there's a, there's a tension in the back and forth that kind of kids go through. He is young. She's the same age, his twin sister, but experience has aged her up a lot. Yeah. So he's annoying because he always has questions, because he's not confident, because he's sometimes too earnest. I think in that, that Hamill plays it pretty well.

So you think, I'll step on one casting with if. Kurt Russell tested for this role. Is that too much testosterone for the role? He's a little too cool. He's too cool. He's too cool. Is it like a Matthew Broderick and War Games kind of? Is that what Lucas wanted from this?

And the reason why I think Hamels redeemed over the course of the first three films that they make is that he becomes a pretty scarred, grizzled person, both because of what happens to him off screen, but also like the character themselves is so much different. when he returns to Tatooine and Jedi, then he is when he leaves it. It's a really cool arc. You just have to be there. You have to really ride along with it. If you're only watching a new hope,

you're like, okay. Like, that was my least favorite of the main three guys. He, for sure. He enters Jedi like Vader, talking about how powerful he is and choking people out. But he's got to get there. He goes through so much that hardens him to life.

Did you have a hottest take or no? You did it? A hottest take? I mean a weakling Yeah there's that guy Porkens who's one of the pilots Who has a really tough name and gets Nuked fucking instantly

And it's just like There has to be a little bit of like Competition for places there They're really counting on Luke Really hard In that direction Forkins Forkins

Um What's age the worst Look I'll just start us off with this I hate this whole Star Wars For New Hope like this was Star Wars was like

Jaws, Rocky Godfather like then we somehow decided we had to change the name I've never really understood it I get it but I think it's annoying I think it's annoying we're like doing Star Wars which one New Hope it's like doing fucking Star Wars the first one

it just bugs me anyway what do you got for what's digital wars? There's like only two women in this movie it's a big sausage party out in that galaxy I had some notes on the on the canteena thought they could have snuck in a couple Ladies. Fairly massive an environment.

A couple lady aliens, baby. We don't know what kind of canteen there in. Yeah. Like cruising? Oh, my God. You guys are assuming with your... With your heteronorbitant of brains. You think Grito is greasing it up.

Yeah. We don't know what kind of canteen in there. What color bandana was in the back pocket. Exactly. They're playing the cute little music. You know, we don't know what's going on. Before Grito was grabbing a handkerchief. Yes.

Yeah. Hold on. Wow. The canteen. We don't know. That right there is why we're on video. That's a good one. What's your best one?

You know, I think the movie thinks that it's clear that fascism is bad, and I'm not sure that that's aged well. I think the movie is weirdly, you can be read a different way in 2025. I have every moment when it's just R2D2 and C3, is like watching Jalen Green try to run the Rockets offense. Just like just post up Shangoon. Can Shangoon just come in here?

Yeah. Get a jump up from him. How different do you think the rewatchables is when the NBA playoffs run? Like is it? Yeah. It's like 30 seconds. No, no apologies.

Mostly teams that get eliminated by the time the pod publishes. I'm surprised we haven't had a John Halliburton reference yet. Ant. It's coming. Aunt Peru Yeah It might have been a chance

Maybe to put in like Anne Margaret or Natalie Wood Oh wow Yeah let's put like a little sexier Aunt Peru I see okay Wait To have some sort of attachment

What? Little milphy Yeah You're trying to fuck Aunt Barrew? No I just wanted a little A little A little milfy We have two women in the whole movie

We have Aunt Baru And we have 19 year old Princess Leyen And by the way One of them is giving you As much sex appeal As possible I'm just saying Is your whole done.

Melfy. The laser bullets. Yeah? What, what, so what do they do when they hit you? They, I assume burn. Yeah,

burn through you. I actually had in what's age the best blasters instead of bullets as aging well, because it's like, you can show this to really young kids. You could also just be like, you don't have to be like,

how many bullets does he have? It's just like you get out. So the guys get hit and they just go right down, but there's no wound or anything. Well, the only one you see in this movie is the arm chopped off, right?

Yeah. I mean, it depends, right? The Stormtroopers are supposed to have some sort of armor. That doesn't seem to work. Not really. What's the age the worst? This is just for Sean. 20th Century Fox released 20 movies a year,

and this movie became so successful that they only released seven in 1978. Just lost out on some great movies. Damn. I didn't know that. Did they just hold the other ones? They were just like, let's fucking Ride Star Wars. Tell that director to fuck off.

Do you guys have in what stage the worst? We're not making penitentiary three. What's the amount of times in this movie where you're like, so that's how they do things in that family between Luke and Leah? Incest. By way, which I'm coming back to in my hottest state. But the incest is the stuff that... It never really gets over the line, though.

She keeps him on the cheek. Like, it's not... It's ultimately so innocent. Luke wants to fuck her. But that he just doesn't know. Right. Like, could happen to anybody. Yeah.

What are you... We're going to hold it against the guy? Yeah. Although he was not able to tap into the Force in that particular respect. The Force was telling him not to tap his sister. He's like, Luke, no, don't do this. What's age the worst? So Marvel Comics published a Star Wars comic book series,

which ran for 107 issues from 1977 and 1986. Why did they stop? There's a lot of comics out there. I wonder what made them just, I feel like, by the mid-80s, maybe Star Wars were starting to die down a little bit. I feel like that comic book thing could have just kept going. They have a lot of...

There's no shortage of Star Wars material. I have one more big What's Age the Worst, but do you guys have anything else? I don't know if this age is the worst, but it aged the funniest. Disney rejecting the screenplay and then buying Lucasfilm for $4 billion. Amazing. Yes. Nuts.

It's kind of like taking two QBs later. I was like, I wasn't there. Didn't have it yet. Have a Shedder situation? You have any of What's Hed's The Worses for? There's not that much Vader in the film. I could have used... 12 minutes.

Some more Vader. Lector, 16 minutes. Vader, 12. Yeah? Probably two of the best villains the last 50 years. I think if he's on screen for much longer, you start asking if he has a penis.

Probably so. Maybe. Now we have to wait until this moment. What's age the worst? The 1978 Johnny Carson episode, scientist Carl Sagan. Oh, not a heater. Talked about the overwhelming,

whiteness of the film. And then another writer named Walter Bremond, writing for the African-American newspaper, New Journal and Guide, said that Darth Vader reinforces a stereotype that black is evil. This is a very white movie. I don't know if you want to do your, did this movie, need more black people category here. I'm going to disappoint a lot of people probably. Okay. There's two things that can be true at the same time.

that I understand, first of all, they answered the question of the film kind of sort of with Lando Carrizian coming in in the next movie. Do you think that was a response to the Carl Sagan type of stuff? Perhaps. I understand that particularly in fantasy properties, seeing black characters is reassuring in a couple of different ways. One, it's reassuring because you don't want to think that you're living in a way. world where when the white people fantasize that there are no black people. Like that

in and of itself is like odd, right? At the same time I don't think I'm, I don't think that I'm in a huge minority when I say sometimes I don't want to think about it. And when I am watching Star Wars,

particularly what I want to do is think about a world where all of the handcuffs and the societal barriers that exist. All the baggage. That I don't have to consider it.

I understand why we have to consider it. But when I'm watching the movie, I'm really not thinking about that because I'm in another galaxy, in another world, and I'm having a good time being there. Good answer. It is addressed very amusingly in the movie Chasing Amy by the black comic book character who gives a speech at a Comic-Con about the inherent racism of Star Wars and New Hope, which is a very, very, very funny sequence. Maybe one of the funniest things Kevin Smith ever written.

Chasing Amy on the rewatchables list. A couple more small ones. We talked about the 20th anniversary when they digitally remaster everything and changed them, altered some stuff and how upset that everybody got. And then there was a Star Wars holiday special on November 17, 1978,

that Lucas kind of agreed to because he wanted to keep, you know, there was really no cable rewatchable system back then. And you kind of wanted to keep movie relevant. And it's a famous abomination. Like, there's been oral histories about, have you watched it? I have seen it.

It's been taken off YouTube, then people put it back up. It's one of those. I think Lucas spends half his time, probably just getting copies taken off. Get that thing off. It has become kind of a kitsch classic in some ways now. Beloved in a way. Yeah.

And then the last one, I talked about those early bird certificate boxes, which were empty boxes that promised the receiver, they would get the figures once they'd actually been made. They sold for $16 at the time. And the actual figures arrived two months later. I owe use for Christmas because they didn't have the toys ready. What a fucking debacle.

Honestly, like, how much money did they lose just on 1978 Christmas? Van, you're up. Flex category. Well, I actually want to use my Flex category time for my hottest take, actually. Point of order. This movie is a lot. That's fine. Okay.

Thank you. Okay. So this is the deal. This movie is the trilogy, not the movie, but the trilogy is a lot better if Luke and Leia mistakenly fuck in this movie. Okay. The Van Laithen did this movie be more incestable? If Luke and Leia mistakenly fuck in this movie. Uh-huh.

Not mistakenly because they didn't want to. And that's why he goes to Dagova. And he is actually, he actually bandages himself. He feels it. And then think about Luke and Leia are fucking. And Obi-Wan is in the back. No, Luke. Like slow motion?

Like, Obi-Wan knows. He's trying to tell Luke not to do it. But the dick is just too strong, the dark side of the dick. And Skywalker just wants it. He's got to have it. Leia is into it. There's a connection. They don't know what the connection is.

Yeah. The connection is actually... The connection is she's the only woman in the galaxy. He's ever seen a woman other than his aunt. Right. Luke is obviously a version. He's asking for permission to go to Tashi Station for power converters. Like, 17, just fucking go.

You know what I'm saying? So if they fuck and then they have to deal with that guilt, Luke is maybe more apt to the dark side. The whole trilogy is better, a little darker, if they mistakenly fuck in the Millennium Falcon. Quick cutaway. to Darth Vader mid-coitus there's a disturbance in the forest

wow you really went for it there yeah I wonder if that inspired Game of Thrones in anyway well I'm sure that Star Wars inspired Game of Thrones but do you think George R. Martin was like

I want to do Star Wars but what if the brother is just to fuck on it and have a demon child that ruins the realm yeah maybe can't be Canada Yeah, Ruffalo Hanna, Rubinick Partridge Overacting Award. I got Chewbacca. He's catching so many streams on his pod.

I about Mark Hamill getting whiny, loud, unhappy a couple times. Oh, yeah. There's a couple scenes where Alec Guinness is like, God damn it, why did I take this movie? I'm fucking trading lines with Mark Hamill. I won an Oscar. I'm not such a bad pilot myself. That's one that stands out when he's. He's mad at Han.

I was like, I'm not so mad pile of myself. Shut the fuck up, kid. Sean, do you have a CIR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford? How does it take a word?

I already shared one about the absolute desolation of organized religion in this country due to the film Star Wars. I don't know if I can do any better than that. You know, and also I think that like this is one of the best movies ever

and one of the worst things that ever happened in Hollywood thing. It's kind of true. Yeah. Not to side too hard with the butt hurt. Could Luke Wilson have been Han Solo? I mean,

we could end the category there. This would be the, the singularity of if I go back and be like this movie would have been better with Luke as a hottest take. That would have been good. This is fun. Casting what ifs? I do have a hottest take, though, about Harrison Ford.

What's here? This is probably the coolest character in movie history, but he is a real cock-blocking dickhead in this movie. And he basically, like, as soon as Luke gets kind of interested in Leah, he's like, no, no, I'm interested in Leah. Luke's lost his surrogate father, gets one tie fighter, gets a little excited. and Hans like,

don't get cocky. Don't get cocky. Don't get him. Let him have this. Let him just fucking pop his fucking collar a little bit. Pump his chest. Talking shit.

No, you gotta be like, no, it's a millennium falcon. It's my, I'm the only one who's not to have fun. Casting one ifs. De Palma was casting Carrie at the exact same time. And him and Lucas teamed up

and they did all their casting together and looked at all the same actors, 30, 40 a day. And a bunch of the actors that they looked at for Star Wars ended up in Carrie. William, William Cat, Amy Irving, Trevolta. Do you think those guys are like, gee thanks. Glad he could be in Kerry. Trevolta is Luke Skywalker, who was not audition for that, would have been interesting.

Whoa. Wouldn't he be Han? He's pretty young. I think he would have been Luke. I think he could have been an interesting Luke. Interesting Luke. Cat would have been an interesting Luke. He would have, yeah.

Yeah. I still have some cat stock from the late 70s. Which is the early years. It might hit. Keep holding. Old? So Hamill is cast over.

I mean, literally all the names from this era were mentioned, but these ones seem real. Robbie Benson, William Cat, Kurt Russell, and Charles Martin Smith.

Who the fuck is that? He was the guy who ended up in a Starman. And he's an untouchables is the accountant. Yeah, he's the geeky guy in American graffiti. Oh, shit.

The guy is touching star star in the glasses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a ton of the glasses. shit. He's in, him, the experts. Him looking at

him gives you a little bit of insight into how Lucas sees Luke though. Right. He's not the coolest in town. Yeah.

Not twerp, but you know. Andrew Stevens, the actor, Andrew Stevens, who ended up in a lot of erotic thrillers, said he and Mark Hamill

were both up for an ill-fated TV series called the Oregon Trail, as well as a film called Star Wars. I got the Oregon Trail. 20 years later, with Shane and Tweed and some Skin and Max movie.

Shamed and Tweed. They're worst fates. Wow. Carrie Fisher cast over Karen Allen. Filed that one away for Raiders. Amy Irving, who ends up in Carrie and ends up having an affair with Steven Spielberg.

Cindy Williams from Laverne and Shirley, who was in American Graffiti, too. And then Linda Pearl, who was bouncing around and never really found the right thing. But then, who knows if Joe Foster how real this was, but she was offered the role and couldn't do it because she had movies. But she definitely was... She's pretty young.

She's like 15. I almost didn't believe that one. Russell audition for Luke and Han Solo. He was like stuck age-wise between the two of them. Yeah, it was like three years earlier. Yeah. Perfect. The casting motives for Hans is Han is tough because you're like,

this is every actor, but also I can't stop thinking about Jack Nicholson as Han Solo if they actually looked at him. Well, there's two where the actor. claim that they turned it down, which I think, like, if we were actors, I would just start doing this when I hit my mid-50s, be like, yeah, I turned down Hannibal actor. They came, Demi came to me.

I just didn't want to do it. But James Kahn claimed he turned it down, and Pacino claimed that he turned it down. Pacino is Han Solo. It just, that movie sucks. It's just bad casting. James Khan, maybe. There's an incredible

hater, Whig, Sadacus, Er, S&L. Saturday last sketch. Oh, yeah, yeah. Of Star Wars auditions. Buccino is one of them, Kevin Spacey is one of them. Who else is in that? It was Richard Dreyfus. Richard.

Richard Dreyfus is hysterical. Yeah, all of those are great. That's a great sketch. Dreyfuss, they almost used his voice for, I think, C3PO or one of those. He was in that orbit of guys. He was in American graffiti. And then before Al Guinness was cast, the guy who started in all the Carousel movies.

was asked to be Obi-Wan and he said, no, thank you. He thought it would sully the legacy of Samurai films that he made, which was not actually true. They thought about Orson Welles for Darts' voice decided his voice was too known

because he was in a lot of commercials. hilarious because everybody immediately knew it was James Roll Jones, even though he was uncredited on the movie. And then Peter Mayhew and David Prowse we're both tall and asked which one they wanted Chubacher, Darth Vader, and Mayhew wanted to play a good guy,

perhaps wanted to be a bad guy, they ended up doing that. Interesting choice. Best that guy award. This movie's 50 years old. I got Peter Cushing. I had him as well. Greenmoff Tarkin.

You're going to be like, that's not of that guy. He's in all the handle movies. I mean, Peter Cushing is famous. I know. I'm just saying 50 years later. Who else? He's like in every...

You can do 30. You could do the uncle or not. I think the movie is fascinating because in the top six parts, you have extremely well, people who are either well known or are about to be really well known.

And then all of the supporting players are just like British guys who were nearby who they cast. And they all had careers and they went on to do. Andor was doing. But none of them have that like, oh yeah, it's that guy from that thing.

Like you can't even think of their second best role. Like Peter Cushing was like the lead in 15 consecutive Hammer Horror movies. So that's kind of a hard one. I don't know. I know that sometimes we can be like, this guy is actually really famous,

but he was legitimately famous in England. Right. All right. Well, maybe the movie's too old to even know who that guy was. Yeah, that's true. There's probably a bunch of that guys on the Enterprise.

The guy gets choked out by Vader might have been in like a Starsman Hodge episode. We didn't see. I mean, like, yeah, that's David Morris. Deion Waders Award. Vader's in the movie for 12 minutes and has to win. I have a Deon Waders Award for the collective of people in the bar.

Oh, all you guys. Group Deon. racist bartender, butt face, all those guys, like, together. You know, it's funny. If you want to give it to Vader, Vader's presence is so big in the movie. I didn't even consider Vader. That's actually probably it.

But I had Grito would be my alternate. I have them on my list. I have CGI Java that they stuck into the movie. Hate it. I hate it. Hate it. Han Mabuki. I hate it.

You're really doing some great linguistics. Thank you. I've watched this movie. so many times. I hate that they do it, but it's such a big deal to have that character in the movie for one scene.

Then I went with CGI Java, but if Vader is eligible, it's got to be Vader, right? I think there is a case for the guy who plays Admiral Modi, the guy who gets choked when he's like, this station is now

the ultimate power in the universe. He is really trying to cook in front of Vader. That's like the link after the little train. Recast and couch director City. Boston? I have a Luke Skywalker suggestion. How about Mark Harmon?

Oh. Coming off playing at UCLA, he's mid-20s, athletic. Yeah. Handsome. I would buy him. But not Charles Martin Smith. You know what I mean? So like in the conception of the character. Are you talking about, no, you're talking about for Luke? For Luke. I like Mark, but think about it. Like, that's a

beautiful, handsome. I'm saying a Handsome guy. Less than a more handsome. Athletic. Kind of on Solo's corner a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. Kurt Russell was like 74 Kurt Russell, I think, is the answer.

Do you have our recasting coach? No. We're losing Sean. He's getting tired. No, I'm not. I'm here. All right. I'm ready to rock.

Han Solo in the original versions of the script was a large green skin monster with gills. He's almost more like Grito. I don't really understand what happened there. We did all the IOLM stuff. Lucas, a lot of I wouldn't say a lot of great feedback on him as a director. No.

Not very good with actors. Fair officials said, gave very little direction and just would say like faster or more intense. My favorite anecdote from the set of this movie is like in England, if you were in the middle of a shot at the end of the day, you were given, generally given the grace to like finish your shot setup that you had.

But the crew didn't like dislike Lucas so much that they were always like, now we're out. It's quitting time. What was the movie we did where they... Oh, Spielberg and Jaws, when he decided not to go in the last day because he was so afraid they were going to do something terrible to him?

Yeah, they go from in the water, right? Yeah. There's some nerdy movie stuff from this. Like, when Luke says, I can't see a thing in this helmet or whatever, he actually couldn't. And they just kind of kept it in. The Chubaca suit, for some reason,

the trash compactor scene, water too long and it just started to stink and it's stunk for the rest of the movie. One of the coolest things to read about is the original rough cut of this movie, the lost cut, which is the editor was basically assembling something for Lucas to look at. And it winds up being very long. It's like, I don't know how like three hours or whatever. And apparently is a lot more Luke on Tatouine with like wedge hanging out. Oh.

You know, like American graffiti in space. but then Paul Hirsch and other people come in and cut it way down. Mark Hamill said studio executives were unhappy that Chebacca had no clothes and kept saying that he should be wearing shorts. That would have been terrible. Just like, what a horrible idea. Can you imagine getting that nose? Would you want him?

Like khaki shorts or dark shorts? Would you want him in pre-fontaineed short shorts or? Jalen Weber Fab five shirts. But by going commando, he's ready to jump into the Luke and Leah Sexy very quickly. Yeah.

That's where he would have shined. Then you would have really been swayed by Chewbacca. That's all I have for half asserting research in case you guys have anything. Because the next category is blind call for Rosillo. Oh, shit. Wow. You know he's crushing tape right now.

I think this will go right to voicemail, but we're about to find out. Damn it. Do it again. Yeah. Hold it to the mic also. Yeah. Searge is the most excited for this

of any gimmick we've ever done on a podcast. He might be going to the Laker game. He is definitely going for sure. Yeah. He probably went early to go talk to an assistant coach. He's like looking at his phone right now thinking about it. Should I? Telephone number.

No. Jesus. Oh, tough. Mid-lift. Tough one. Really needed his takes. I did it. Apex Mountain.

George Lucas? No? Probably after Empire and Raiders. No, we're talking to everything. I would say it's after Empire and Raiders, like, 1981 range. Has anybody ever gotten to Apex Mountain and then just sat there forever? Yeah. You know, he never, there was never a time when people were like, no, I don't think so, George.

We're not going to do that for you. Like, he could do whatever he wanted after this movie. I mean, but wasn't. there were projects that he was trying to get off the ground that he couldn't, right? Like what? Like, wasn't that World War II Pilots movie, one that he wanted to do all for a long time? He made it, right? Wasn't that Red Tails? Yeah, but it took the 20 years to get it made, right?

No. Well, I love... He makes one movie, and then he vanishes for a long time in terms of being behind the camera. As a director. As a director, it certainly is because the next three movies, to the point of people, to the issue that people had with his directing style, the next three movies, the performances are wooden. They're not very well directed. It's just a fact.

But you mean the prequels. The prequels. The next three. Empire and Jedi. Right. As like real people. Like not him. I'm going to say 81 range.

Is this his Apex? The third one's coming. Everyone's pumped about it. Raiders comes out. It's a fucking massive hit. And him and Spielberg have vanquished. And he's the biggest guy in it. Yeah.

Right. I think it's right on that. And he has created an Owens ILM. Skywalker Ranch is opening. He's doing Skywalker Sound. Like he's kind of, of like building his own he still has a decent beard

hasn't like fucked his beard situation up yet but you can almost I mean like wine he just gets more powerful and relevant as the deal as Star Wars kind of you could say it's selling to Disney for four billion dollars

I was about to say that's up there the galaxy apex mountain I was gonna say there's some way to conceive of like the outer space sagas like you know I wouldn't say science fiction necessarily but like. So sci-fi movies,

it's Apex Mountain. I have sci-fi movies. Galaxy movies, Apex Mountain. I don't know. Lure starters. This starts. Fictional mythologies. Fictional mythologies.

I mean, I'm not talking about like books, obviously, you know, all kinds of stuff. As far as movies that start incredible lore, you have The Terminator, you have, The Matrix has some great lore, but this has spawned a world

that's like way bigger than anything. Mark Hamill, definitely. Mark Hamill, definitely. Certainly. Carrie Fisher. Yeah. One, two, or three for her. She's in Blues Brothers next year. And then Empire in 80.

What she chooses to do with it afterwards is so strange, though. Every non-Bloose Brothers Star Wars movie, she makes it the next eight years is like such a flop. Yeah, but again. I know she's on a lot of cocaine. I think cocaine was just running rampant. Yeah. I'm sure there were some choices that she might have gotten talked into it about 3.30 in the morning. I like their lover boy.

Remember that one? Oh. Patrick Dempsey? Extra anchovies. John? I've never saw that one? I've seen that. John Williams?

It's almost impossible to say. Yeah. He just shatters it every time. It's like Superman's three years later. Should we call John Williams Apex Mountain? Yeah. It's just his face. Dropping the from your title.

Is it the Star Wars or the Facebook? Wow. I think it's Star Wars. It's probably a great question. But it's a good question, though. I think it's Star Wars. Yeah. I prefer Star Wars to Facebook, generally.

James Earl Jones? I'm going to say Field of Dreams. Yeah, I think he can't. That's when he became a beloved American treasure once in a row. The Lord of Dreams coming to America. Mufasa. Mufasa. It's somewhere early 90, late 80s, early 90s.

He just became like the fucking coolest older actor. It seems like he's too important for a voice to be his Apex Mountain. Moonlight Grom! They'll come. Ray. Baseball is a part of us, Ray. People will come. They won't even know.

They'll give you $5. Harrison Ford? No. We just said it now. 20th century Fox. Yes. Yeah. They profits went from $39 million to $77 million in one year.

Yeah, they doubled their stock right or isn't that? Nerds. Apex Mountain for nerds. I wouldn't say that in 1977, nerds had the most power they would ever have. I would say the nerds that got obsessed with this movie went on to take over. So, yeah. You also said the nerd sketch on SNL? Yeah, that's true. That's true. Routing in a shape, finding out they had other people.

Revenge of the nerds. A nerds, centric movie comes out. Starting a nerd ascent. Any other Apex Mountain? What about movie sound effects? The Academy Awards creates a special award this year for Ben Burt, who does all the droid sounds. You've got Darth Vader's breathing. You've got my favorite sound of the movie is the same. sound of the Thai fighters flying, which is just terrifying. Every time you hear that like screeching whisper sound,

it's pretty memorable. This movie sounds awesome even now. The lightsaber sound? Right, of course, lightsaber. Really, really good. I think we always say this with certain movies, but like the, the widescreen TV, better soundbar,

that whole era has just blown this movie out. Absentee fathers? This is, you got game? Yeah. You got games up there. But absentee fathers. You don't know what your son is doing. He comes around.

He's trying to fuck over you now. You don't even know. Absentee dads. As a movie premise? Well, it's not a movie premise, but when you look at it now... Same for... It's probably Empire then. Shaquille O'Neill's Biological Didn't bother.

That's a good one too. Just absentee dads. This is the greatest absentee dad story ever. Because by the time Vader comes back to Luke. Luke is now a first round draft pick. And he wasn't before. When he was just a little dude on Tatooin, you can't give a fuck about me. Now I got the force.

Now I got another dad in my life who cares, right? Obi-Wan is, come on. You know, I got friends. I got all of this. Now, you want me? No, that's not how it works. Cruz or Hanks? I have Cruz, but I think Hanks could have been a good hunt.

Cruise for which part and what year of Cruz? Cruise for Luke around Taps. I was going to say, 1982 Cruz. That's my answer. My God. Outsiders cruise. like Cruz has still had the baby. Baby, yeah.

He's filming losing it with Shelley Long and making Star Wars. What do you have? You know who I have. It's Cruz. It's got to be Cruz. But Hank's now as Obi-1 would be interesting. I think Hank's there is like a, like, when Hank's is like in the volunteers, I could see him be in Hans Solo.

Disagree. Thanks too tall, Cruz. Scorsese or Spielberg? Spielberg. Agreed. What world would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? I have any situation where he could say, Luke has the peepin.

Maybe after that sexy. I had him as Vader's lead counsel. Yeah. He just would have dialed it up. Go a little hunger games. Craig, you have a flex category. What is it? Can I quickly go back to Apex Mountain and ask,

is this the Apex Mountain of Apex Mountains for a movie? Are they the most Apex Mountains in any movie ever for Star Wars? If you go through it, you have like half the actors, yes. It's probably George Lucas. I think it's villains, music, the best weapon

in movie history, secret hidden movie nuggets, sound effects, blockbuster franchises. Yeah. Craig is cooking. Is it the most apex mountain?

It's the apex mountain of apex mountains. Yeah, Craig is cooking right now. I'm surprised you didn't think of that. The apex guy? I'm Craig's OB1.

Sean has Jack Sanders. Craig is actually a perfect loop. Craig, you got a lot of Luke to you, brother. Yeah, I'm bad at acting.

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Learn more at Wells Fargo.com forward slash active cash terms of play. All right, pick a nits. It's time. I think I'm going to have the most fun with this because I don't really know what happens. Yeah, because we're just going to sit here and be like, actually, Bill, in Asoka, that was explained.

I'm going to try. All right. I've already done too much. R2D2 and C3PO just randomly eject from their little pod thing that gets out. Uh-oh. Oh, shit. Yes.

Yes. Hey, we're doing R-watchables. Okay. With CR and Sean and Van and Craig. What's up, Craig? What's up? What's up, Ryan?

Yeah, what's up, man? We're doing Star Wars. I've seen it. Any off-the-cuff takes. Luke was a dork. All right, make the case. No friends. I don't think, I think that whole thing about picking up the power converters, no chance.

You know, it looked like, you know, like he immediately is annoying to Obi-Wan. And it's like, dude, this might be your only friend. Like, there's no other houses around. He's invited you in. And he gives you a fucking lightsaber, which I imagine those are pretty cool. even on tantaline and you're just like you know why is he such a brat about everything and then obviously like watching the princess lea video would be like a guy seeing porn for the first time and he's like replay replay the entire mess you know like so i don't know i just think there's a lot of dorky

stuff with him that was just you know granted i worshipped him when i had the figures when i was in single digits but as i got older i started realizing that han was was the cool one. Yeah, yeah. That's a great take. Great take. Great take. Thanks for,

thanks for chiming in. I'll see you at the Laker game today. Yeah, I'll be sitting next day, Rod. Wow. I don't know if we'll ever have a blind call that. Oh, that was amazing. Okay. R2 and C3PO.

What were you saying about them, picking Nets? I'll just start over picking Nits. R2D2 and C3PO just randomly ejecting and landing on Luke's planet right near his house. There's a related one too Which is... Is that the force? Just drove them to Luke's house?

Even before that, the empire identifies that an escape pod has been hashed because there's no life force on it. They're like, I just let it go. Fucking blow that thing up. Should have shot down. This goes towards the theory that Darth is always kind of like

holding the empire back a little bit. Yeah. Because like there's one time where they only sent like four tie fighters at the Millennium Falcon. It's like you guys probably could have taken the Falcon out. We could have ended this whole thing. Or another theory.

that R2D2 is force sensitive. What does that mean? Are there any droids that are that in some way there's a theory, there's a fan theory that in some way R2D2 is force sensitive. Because there's a lot of stuff that happens around R2D2

that we kind of don't explain why it works out the way, the form the way that it does. That the force loves him or there's some kind of connection. You know what he couldn't do? Get a drink at the can't it's true get out here motherfucker we don't save you can in here how did they get on the death star or not the death star whatever the big planet is which one when they get when they when they when they come back in

and the gap pulls them in oh no the death's honest yeah tractor yeah tractor being yeah and then they just kind of let them in and they're like yeah it's a trap nobody here hmm no they hide no I know they hide but that's how bad the stormtroopers were they're like yeah they're legendary In their character. Like, how fucking terrible your thing is? I don't see him. The whole thing doesn't work if the stormtroopers are better at their jobs.

If they can aim. Yeah. They're legendarily incompetent. Well, the aiming, I think, is a no pick. There's a lot of... Only Rambo First Blood Part 2 has more straight, five feet away shots that just miss. Right. Luke, 130 people miss him from right here.

Yeah, when they're on the bridge that they're trying to, they're about to swing across. And the stormtroopers are just looking right at it. And Luke isn't even trying to hide against the side of the wall. He's just standing there. He's just like, what's up? How do you give away locations to secret rebel bases when you're in outer space? What do you mean? Like with a homing beacon thing?

Yeah, it's not like they had Google Earth back then. No, but they put like little trackers on stuff. They have the computers. How do they know where everything is in the galaxy? Who? Just everybody. Like maps? If we're going to go here or go there?

They've mapped at the galaxy. The computers. How do you map the big galaxy when it's infinite space? Don't really think we're the right people to answer that question. Isn't outer space just infinite? But we're in one galaxy. So there's a Star Wars galaxy that outside of that galaxy? So is there an end of the galaxy?

Yeah. Of this galaxy. Are you a flat Star Warser? I'm just saying, where's the end of it? It's like a force field at the end. So there's the galaxy, then there's the outer rim of the galaxy, and then there's stuff outside of there that people don't really travel to. So how big is the galaxy?

Pretty big. they have hyperspace so they can they can travel back and forth they can travel at light speed I was didn't really know the answers to any of those questions there you go uh the princess's outfit

yeah I just think it's way dirtier by the time we get to like the last half hour this one they're in a fucking garbage dump thing yeah she's getting battered around like everybody else she's just like perfectly white not where I thought you were going to go with that vision of purity you thought you were going to talk about what do you think

he was going to say I thought we were going to talk about something different about the outfit? That wasn't a nitpick. That outfit was great. But, yeah, I just think by the time we get to the hour 30 mark, probably dirt all over the place for her. What do you have for nitpics? I have a few.

Obie 1's memory relative to R2 or Luke Skywalker's little dodgy there in the beginning. He's like, I've never had any droids. It is like, I don't know, except when you cut off. fall of Anakin's limbs and left him to die in episode three and that was the last time you saw R2 so it's been a while but you know you knew those droids. The biggest nitpick for me in the whole movie is

Hold on though, is that a nitpick if that movie doesn't exist yet? But we give Lucas credit for envisioning all this other stuff like we give him credit for knowing that Darth is Luke's father But for our job as the rewatchable is to treat this movie as its own movie that came out in 1977 and they're

allowed to be like Leah's outfit would be dirtier but he can't be like I'm asking. They're your rules. So if you want to put, you know. I don't know the answer. Because I do think it's like if we did 48 hours and now we know Keo is the Iceman from another 48 hours, which is.

Oh, I see what you're saying. So now when I watch 48 hours, it's do I have to assume Keio is the Iceman when I watch 48 hours? I think in most circumstances you're right, but because the actual world building mythology is such a credit to the movie itself that the whole idea of, the movie is that it is this larger than one movie all encompassing mythology. I take though, maybe Lucas is full of shit and he just made

this movie and then afterwards he's like, by the way, it's in play. Oh, yeah, I had the whole thing sketched out. Maybe he just made them one movie. When they gave the sides to Harrison Ford and to them and the reveal was in there that Vader is Luke's dad, Harrison Ford said back to George Lucas, did you just make that up on the plane?

Like, did you just make that up? Because they were trying to keep it a secret. When they gave them the thing that that was happening, there are people who think that the fact that he had all of this stuff sketched out is actually not true. It doesn't make a difference now, but there are people who think that that's not the case. Well, it's interesting, after Lost ended,

and he wrote a long letter to Lindeloff and Carlton Kuse being like, as somebody who wants to normal, my story's going. I really respect that blah, blah, blah. And it's like, hey, maybe he's trying to tell us something. It's possible he doesn't. There's also actual nitpicks in the story. Chris has cited a couple of them already, but throughout this

movie, characters are experiencing the most traumatic thing that will ever happen to them, and then one scene later bouncing back and being like, let's do this thing, or like partying, you know, like, Leah watches her whole planet, destroyed. Luke, his aunt, uncle who raised him or charred

remains outside of their home, and then he's going to the canteena and hanging out over and over again. You know, Obi-1 is murdered by Darth Vader and Luke gets on the Millennium Falcon and is shooting down tie fighters. Like, not a lot of emotional depth to the character development in this movie. I think he kind of fixes it in the next two movies. It's like they're much more complicated and stormy. They're like, we have to have a beat here where they're like sad about this.

Exactly, exactly. But it's like, it's kind of weird. Or suicide mission? He gave himself to be well. Sacrifice himself. Sacrifice himself. Or maybe he just didn't want to fight Vader. Felt like he didn't want to take the L.

He was shrinking from the competition. He's already 2-0 against him. Well, it finishes 2 and 1. It finishes 2 and 1. With a loud one. I am still, after all of these years of being a Star Wars fan, unclear as to why

Kenobi did it. Still unclear. Because he has to do it for Luke to fulfill his destiny? I think so that he can escape is the practical reason reason and the philosophical reason is so that Luke can go on and be the torchbearer of the Jedi way. I guess my thing is they would have escaped anyway because all of the stormtroopers... Because they were letting them go.

Actually, the fact that he gets cut down is what makes the stormtroopers turn around because Luke then freaks out and they go, oh my God, they're getting away. So I've never, I've had this conversation so many times. He didn't have to die. Like, actually, he didn't have to die. The only case for it is he wants to pass the torch, la LeBron and Luca. and be like, this is your team now, Luca. I'm going to have Anthony Edwards kill me with a lightsaber right now

so I can give you the Lakers. Yeah. But it still doesn't make sense because the best option is just fucking killed Darth Vader. He's right there. He probably couldn't have killed him. I think he powered it out. Both physically and maybe emotional.

Yeah, I think he knew. I'm too old. He hasn't been able to do it two times before it. He had two chances. He didn't do it. It's a good career move by Obi-Wan because it's like I can either lose this fight and look like a fucking loser,

or I sacrifice myself. Okay, so in the same vein, this was going to be my flex category, but I'm just going to do this because it's part of a picking knit. It's two different categories crushed together. Did I skip your flex category?

The George Lerby two weeks with pay award for the character who definitely should have been fired goes to Gran Mof Tarkin. Grand Mof Tarkin is informed that there's a flaw in the largest Department of Defense governmental investment in the history of the empire. The enemy knows how to

tack it, he insists on continuing on with making the death star fully operational and exposing the destruction of his beloved battle station, he loses. This is the 28 to 3 at half time in the history of movies. This is a nightmare scenario. He should have been fired. And then follow up to that, Vincent Chase Award, are we sure this character is good at their job? Are we sure the death star is good? Is the death star actually an effective way to run the empire?

This is a thing. It also takes a lot of energy to run it, which we're finding out an Android. Very expensive. This is a thing. It's not. Grand Admiral Thrawn did not want the resources going towards the Death Star. No, I was just telling Ben to feed the dogs. Okay.

No, no, no, no, I'm not doing it. No, do it. It's disrespectful. No, I know. Grant, no, seriously. Grand Admiral Throne did not want the Death Star project to go forward. He had a plan for an advanced tie fighter that he thought would have been a much more pertinent use of the appropriate use, shall I say, of the Empire's resources, and that the Death Star was a waste of money and time and resources and that it would lead to their ruin. And he was right.

Grand Amort Thrown is the blue guy with the red eyes. So which, who's the Phoenix Suns in this scenario? Who's Sarvite? Tarkin is Ishbria. Tarkin is ishpia. No question. He made the deal for Brad Beal, and he got blown up on the Death Star because of it.

There's no question about it. No, I understand. The only picking it, I really had, it's related to what Sean just said, is on the Luke side of things with the Death Star, Luke bets the entire galaxy out of a spiritual force he learned about a week ago. He's like, I'm turning off the computer.

I'm going blind. It's like, dude, you were on a desert planet. You had never heard of the Force before. And now you're fucking like, Oh, yeah, I'm all a Jedi. Speaking of that, how much time on that equipment did Luke have? I know. He's a good Bush pilot.

On the X-Wing, yeah. He's just up there, full uniform with the rest of the Air Force. It's like Randy Quaidon, Independence Day. He's like, I'm just getting an F-16, man. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black castor untouchable. This movie did all of them eventually? Except I know a lot of people in the Star Wars universe. You know who you are.

I've been begging for the all-black Star Wars movie. And let me tell you why it should be made. To piss the fucking people off on Twitter, man. Just piss them off. Like, they get mad every time there's one black person in the Star Wars movie. Fucking turn. Do Star Wars Ghana. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm serious. Like, they get so mad. By the way, I know people who are very high up in the Star Wars thing and I've told them, just make an all- black Jedi Troo. I'm talking about Star Wars with a Z. Like, just that...

It's just Lando and Mace Windo. Lando, Mace Windo, all of their people do the whole Black Star Wars movie. It would be dope. It would be super dope. There's a planet with nothing but white people. Why can there be a planet with nothing but black people? I'd say a great idea.

That's the only thing of all of these things, it's the only thing they haven't done. Sequel's been done. Prequel's been done. Prestige has been done. The only thing they haven't been done, the true frontier that they haven't gone to, Star Trek is the all-black cast. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins,

Danny Trao, Dorisberg, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romer. Henry Hill, Harley-Maze, Chris Collins, with Daniel Plainview, long legs, or Wilford, Wilford-Brenley in the firm. I have an addition to this category. Okay.

Is this movie with Bill Simmons podcasting about it on his Sunday night pod? Yes. I'm so honored. I actually watched the lightsaber battles, and ever since Obi-Wan got front-down, Luke Skywalker has an edge.

And guess what? He's just 19. He still has so many more levels to go. That's good. I like it. Oh, man. Ryan Ruko. You do it.

Luke's failing the force. Is he going to get in? It's too bad. I see you, Mr. Skywalker. Just one Oscar who gets it? George, I guess. Yeah, this picture. Sound?

Hmm? Williams? You're saying just one. I'm going to say. The sound is amazing in this movie. Yeah. I would go sound. All right.

Probably in answerable questions. Did they intentionally make C3PO look like an Oscar. Oh. No, he's very closely modeled after the robot in Metropolis. So I think it's just... Just asking? Did they make him that gold to remind people of Oscar?

Maybe. Maybe. Why didn't Chewbacca have genitalia? We don't know that he doesn't. He might be a hider. He's a wookie. And so there are many, many wookies. Did we just cross the over for the about of genitalia

and Star Wars characters we're talking about? for at least three, four? Well, we hit two. Yeah. Does he have a butthole? What are we doing? What are we doing? What kind of creature are we talking about here?

Okay, I would imagine. Is he a Ken dog? I imagine him as like a giant, like a San Bernardi. But it's very, it's very, it's a Shabakly go to the bathroom. He was inspired by Lucas's Malamute, Indiana. His dog.

Yeah. And that dog has, you know, a lot of fur that is. like that stringy fur. I can't see it. But, you know, he's like him. He's like a dog. So it goes to the bathroom?

I would say so, yeah. Okay. Do you wish there were more times in Star Wars where someone was like, I gotta take a piss. Cheapagher. Halloween, 1978, most people dressed the same. Probably the most.

I'm trying to think of another Halloween. Yeah? Where there was more people in the exact same costume. I'm probably Like Michael Jackson Thriller Yeah he Michael Jackson

He said in summer after he He didn't wear an open collar white shirts Okay, motherfucker All right Van Top five Sci-fi woman Hall of Fame Ooh easy Sarah Connor

Oh Night one or two Two Two I came across time for you Sarah Sarah Sarah Princess Leia

I'm gonna throw a new edition in there. Zendaya. Wow. June 2. Okay. Dune 2. You never really got a she's kind of always wearing that still suit you know, I don't know. You're not into it. I mean, I love Zendaya, but like

it's not Princess Leia's costuming. So when we say sci-fi, are we talking about like the entire realm of sci-fi? Yeah. Okay. So do Marvel movies count as well?

Do they? I don't think so. but I don't think so very cook. If Marvel movies count, I got Scarlett Johansson is Black Widow. Okay. That's an all-time white girl right there. It doesn't count.

It doesn't count. Sorry. I'm throwing out you. Daryl Hannah from Blade Runner maybe? Perhaps. What about Carrie Ann Moss from The Matrix? That she's in there. TV shows count so you can go

Aaron Gray late 70s. If I was going to... Incredible Battle of Network Stars performances. Go look those up on YouTube. If I was going to do Blade Runner, though, I'd actually do Sean Young. Yes. Yes, you would.

I do Sean Young. Don't make Craig mad, though. Sean Young. He didn't see it. Not the best action in the world. You don't know Sean Young. No way out. Yeah, I know who Sean Young is.

Wasn't in. Thumbs down from Craig. Thumbs down to Sean Young. I was introduced to Sean Young and Ace Ventura. Kind of hard to go backwards from there. But I got to take one out because obviously. Einhorn. That's right.

Einhorn is Finkel. Oh, Ironhorn is Finkel. That's what I'm saying. Finkel is Einhorn. But Ellen Ripley. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ellen Ripley.

It's a good one. What piece of memorabilia Would you want or not want from this movie? I would want a lightsaber Yeah, for sure You can only have one lightsaber Who you taking? Oby

I'll take Darth's Because as far as I know Darts' lightsaber You know, it's the one that works Was the one that takes down Ovi one It's the red one I know, yeah Sean

Gretto's corpse Uh No, Hans Blaster would be cool Yeah Oh, those Blasters would be very cool. But it's Anakin Skywalker's Lightsaber, though. Can I make the case for the thing? Wait, no.

The red one. No, no, no, no. Oh, no, no, no. Luke has Anakin Skywalker's Live. O'Bard had it. Right, right. Well, no, no, no. So I would still take Anakin Skywalker's life.

I think lightsaber's the answer, but we ban cars from this category. The thing Luke's driving around, whatever that's fucking thing is. Yeah, that thing, just to have that in your garage? Take that tool around Hancock Park. Is that from Star Wars? Yeah. Luke's. there's a digitally added sequence from when they reissued the movie in the whatever was late 90s

that shows like the digital version of the speeder that is so much less cool you know that shows that like moving around right open world as opposed to the way that they shot it in the movie and it's just the most perfect example of like we just don't need this like the speeder looks so fucking awesome in the practical version of the movie anyway the Darth mask i think would be the other one i'm trying to think what thing from this movie would go for the most money. That's a good category. So Luke's Lightsaber, the game worn

Luke's... Well, there are three lightsabers in the movie. There's Vaders, there's Obie Wands, which we don't really know what happens to it. I'm assuming that Vader takes it for a trophy or something like. I felt like Luke could have grabbed that before he... He's across that whole... He's getting shot at by a...

He like steps on it, right, when he checks on the... Yeah, he's kicking his clothes. Yeah, so it's there. So I'm assuming Vader takes it as a trophy, whatever. But then there's the other one, which lightsaber would you take? of all the three, if you had to have a piece of memorabil.

I had a lot of Luke's. I was like Mace Windeus, purple lightsaber. It's great. Coach Finstacko were a best life lesson. May the force be with you? Yeah.

May the Force be with you. The Force will be with you, Chris Ryan. Trust the force. We'll always have good TV shows, Chris Ryan. Trust the Force. You got another one.

The Bear is going to be really good season four in June. Trust the Force. Reach out with your feelings for the bear. You and Andy Greenwald will have good podcast. Trust it. Trust it, my son.

You have a life lesson? Yeah, raise your kids. Oh, wow. Don't let Uncle Owen raise your kid. Don't let Uncle Owen raise your kids. Your kids will come back and they'll take over your empire. Best double feature choice. Is it Sith or is it Empire?

It's Rogue One. I have Deni Villanous Duneu's tune. The first one or the second one? The first one. Sandplanet, kind of same thing. I like to go outside of the Pantheon with the What about American graffiti? Oh, go full Lucas.

Full Lucas. It's good. Raiders would be interesting. It would be that would be good too. Who won the movie? Harrison Ford. George Lucas. You're really going Harrison Ford?

Yeah. George Lucas made $4 billion from this movie. I'm saying Harrison Ford keeps this movie attached to like humanity. It's a robot and a twerp acting against each other. If you don't have, he's the coolest guy like in one of the coolest movie characters ever. Sean? Lucas? I mean, George Lucas's net worth is estimated to be between $8 billion and $9.5.

He's got $9 billion. That's what they estimated at, yeah. So that's a lot of coffee about the Celtics. It wouldn't have been cool if he sold Lucas film for four, but he was making money on Star Wars. He's just through the 80s, 90s, and 2000s. But is that why you think he won the movie? Well, he won the movie because he created the most indelible franchise in Hollywood history. But he also made fucking bank on it, too.

What do you think? It's got to be Lucas. That's a compelling argument for Harrison Ford. But I don't know that anyone in this industry has won any single movie as much as George Lucas has won this movie. I was just trying to be interesting. Can I make the case for Amperoo? Would have been better if you won last rather than first. Can I make an Amperoo?

Amperu? Yeah. One line out. Yeah. Amalfi? Bill, way to go, man. Craig? What a true?

Craig's up. What do you got, Craig? Craig's he Star Wars? Craig's Star Wars, 1997? I don't know. Do any of you guys, any of you guys big video game people? I'm like, I'm not really, but Van, are you? Yeah, I like to play video games.

Thinking back to the Apex Mountains, also, I love the Star Wars. The Star Wars video games and Star Fox. I would say, would you say this is the best video games to come off of an original movie ever? Oh. So Bond has some good. video games, but they don't compare it to the Star Wars. Star Wars games are awesome. Because you have Jedi Fallen Order,

you have Battlefront. You have the original arcade game where you were in the Tie Fighter, right? Then you have the one for Super Nintendo, Super Star Wars. Like, probably, yeah. That came from a movie? Yeah. Probably yeah. Anyway, good movie. Slow, decent, fast.

I mean, yeah, it's a little slow. I mean, there's just like, pace just picked up as we moved closer to now. And that's just what it is. The first 20 minutes is little slow, but what I took away watching it again, I think I probably saw him when I was 15. Of course you like them, but now I just appreciate them so more.

When I was 15, I'm not thinking about, I mean, I'm comparing it to all the other movies I saw when I was 15, which like probably had better special effects or whatever. Looking back now, the originality is kind of staggering. I kind of can't fathom that level of originality working now. Like, it's just unbelievable that this is just, I know he had influences, but everybody does. Like him just pulling this out of his ass,

putting it on the screen, everything's brand new, the world building. Honestly, the closest thing I can think of is John Wick, and it's probably why John Wick worked because it's like just new

and everybody could kind of like get into the world and like it. And it's why it's the newest action franchise that has spawned spin-offs and it's still around and people like it. Like the sinners. Yeah, maybe sinners. Sinners took us in a world.

Terminator did too. Yeah. Yeah, last time, one of the few times where I felt the same way in a movie that I felt the first time I saw Star Wars was The Matrix.

Matrix was a time where I was like, wow. That's a good one. Like, they have fought this through completely. Yeah. You know, that sense of like, I'm in great hands right now. But it's very rare. It's very rare. I also think it's cool that Lucas is a good one.

Yeah. I think it's cool that George Lucas was like, I just wanted to make a movie that was fun. He's like, if you have to take one word away from this movie, it's just fun. I know he's like the movie's trying to say something, but I don't think the themes are, I don't know. I don't know if it's trying to say that much. It's interesting. it, um, essentially like,

we talk about Star Wars and, um, I talk to a friend about the Eagles. Essentially, the movie is about like fathers and sons. It's very, it's not really, it's a complicated lore, but not a complicated story like a lot. Not a complicated movie too. Yeah. It's like this is a really,

this is a great chase. Good versus evil. It's a feeling. Same with Indiana Jones. Like, I don't really know what Indiana Jones is about, but Indiana Jones, and it's my favorite movie. It's just like a feeling. And I, growing up,

the Disney rides obviously were around when I saw, these movies. So I kind of immediately made that connection, which is probably different for you guys because they made them as over time. But like I associate these movies with like that feeling of being at Disneyland to be honest. Star Tours is not a great ride.

And yet I would wait in line for hours to go on it over and over and over again at Disneyland. Star Tours, I like. But I tell you one thing that is a fantastic ride. And it was one of the best experiences I've had as an adult man. not doing commercials but have you been on Rise of the Resistance? In Galaxy's Edge.

Shit. Yeah, that's cool. You're in Star Wars, Bill. You're in it. They got Storm Troopers everywhere. Okay, you're inside of Star Wars. We all went as a ringer-vers family. Man, we got to do a ringer day at Disneyland.

We did one. That would be fun. It was... They didn't. Oh, there's a hotel they closed. But they closed when we did Star Wars. celebration a couple of years ago. They had like a place where just the media could go.

And me and Mal and the Midnight Boys, we wrote it a bunch of times. Phenomenal. How did we do? I think you did a great job. About three and a half? You brought really good energy. That's the longest one we've done? Yeah.

No. Boogie and Pol both went over four. Okay. Is that true? That's what Craig was telling us. Yeah. This was pretty good. I wasn't planning for a marathon.

Like unplanned two-parter. Yeah. Good job. Bill, you, I'm probably. I'm proud of you, man. I really enjoyed it. Are more coming? I feel like I missed out.

Yeah, this has been the big question. Are we going to do more? Is, will you do Empire? Will you do Jedi? I guess we'll have to let the people decide. The nerds are going to get mad about Chubaca. I'm going to take some shit for that. What else?

The questions that you're asking, by the way, about Chubaca, we've asked. We just asked him in like 92. Yeah. And ask them in maybe a more polite way. How could this guy go to the bathroom? It'd be funny to do. It'd be funny to do Spaceballs next. Thanks, guys.

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