The Rewatchables - ‘Superbad’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: January 4, 2022

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey sit and eat their dessert alone like they’re fucking Steven Glansberg to celebrate 200 episodes of 'The Rewatchables'. They rewatch the 2007 comedy classic ‘Superbad’ starring Jonah Hill, Michael Cera, and Christopher Mintz-Plasse. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right, Chris Ryan is here. Sean Fennacy is here. We are tackling Superbad, which came out in 2007, which is, I had an incredible Netflix run this summer. My son has single-handedly demolished Superbad.

Not that we didn't already own it, but I want to start here. I was thinking how high school comedies can say something about their generation. If you go back all the way, I'm just going to read you this list I made. And then, Sean, you can critique it as the ultimate movie nerd. Early 70s, American graffiti. Mid-70s, Carrie, where it's like this filmmaker renaissance. And De Palma's like, I'm going to make the Stephen King movie and we're going to make high school really super weird. Early 80s, fast times and

risky business where it starts getting a little more raw. We're inside. We're really kind of pulling the hood back. Mid-80s Breakfast Club, the John Hughes era. Late 80s, early 90s. Heather's house parties say anything. We've moved into this kind of cool and dependent era. A little more diversity of the whole thing.

Mid-90s, clueless scream. We're not monetizing this. We were making big-ass pictures from people that have learned from the 80s how to do this. Late 90s American Pie, which captures for better and worse, a lot of what the late 90s were like, much like our Woodstock movie did. Mid-2000, Superbad, and then the mid-2010s, Lady Bird, and Booksmart, as we get a little more sophisticated, smarter, the whole thing. Sean, your reaction just to hearing all of those movies? I think Superbad is a bridge. It's a self-aware version of those kinds of movies.

It has absorbed the entire history of them. It clearly likes them a lot. It's not aspiring to be as sophisticated as risky business or as heathers. It's still like a raunchy teen comedy. But it's a pretty emotionally clear, really well made and satisfying movie without necessarily sacrificing

the like hardcore raunchy laughs that you want from it. So in many ways it's like kind of a perfect high school comedy and also kind of the last high school comedy in many ways. What do you think, Chris? They, like, they knew it too well to know any better. You know what I mean? Like, they made a movie that almost instantly became like a part of people's lives, like all the quotes, the McLevin stuff, all of like the jokes and in jokes you would make

with your friends about it, the way you would recognize. I mean, the funniest thing about watching this movie now is how much, like, I relate to Slater and Michaels or like the Coke Party guys as opposed to the high school. but you would just immediately recognize yourself in some aspect of this movie, if not multiple aspects. And yeah, like these guys were 23 years old when they made this movie. They didn't know any better. And they somehow, be it through Aptow or Amy Pascal, or just because Greg Matola was like really adept at making these kinds of things, like they didn't fuck it up. They didn't screw up any single part of this. They never made it so that these kids had to

learn a lesson other than the one that they were obviously going to learn at the end of the movie. And yeah, that's why it doesn't feel like it was made in a lab. It feels like it was made out of these people's lives. Yeah, there's no self-editing either, which I think as we head into the mid-2010s, the self-editing era starts with comedies, and that's when it becomes dangerous. These guys just want to have funny shit in the movie. Yeah, it feels a lot like a first album. You know what I mean? Like when a band makes the first album, it's like we've been waiting our whole lives to make this. And then they make other good albums, but that first one has a quality that like you just can't you can't replicate.

I just, I think also it's not, it came out in 2007, but it doesn't feel like high school in 2007. It feels like high school in the 90s because those guys went to high school in the 90s. Like by 2004, 2005, you know, mean girls, Napoleon Dynamite, Rushmore, like these movies had all come out. This feels much more like a movie that was of the era of American Pie, but was smarter and a little bit more, like I said, a little bit more like intellectually mature.

if not emotionally mature. And so it just makes for a more elevated version of a movie like this. Well, and they started making it in the late 90s, which is probably why it feels that way, right? The backstory of this movie is pretty well known, but these Seth Rogen, Evan Goldberg, just best friends,

they start working on this idea when they're 13. Then they end up on freaks and geeks and undeclared, and they have the script pretty ready by then, and a lot of people are chipping in and adding to it, and trying to figure it out, and then it becomes a seven-year odyssey for them to get it made, and they're still pretty young guys.

But the biggest thing that happens to them is the R-rated comedy takes off, which we've covered on previous re-watchables, where you have wedding crashers and old school, and all of a sudden, and this becomes a marketable thing for Hollywood. So a script that for years they're trying to make,

and everybody's like, can you make a PG-13? And they're like, fuck that, we're not doing that. All of a sudden, now makes sense in the R-rated comedy era. in a lot of ways, I think the peak. Because you could say it's the hangover,

but I feel like this is more authentic to that era, and you have all the Apatow DNA, and you have all the people in it. And it's like almost an all-star team of the 2000s, you know, including throwing people like Hater in there. But for Apatow, for his stretch, you know, where he hits big with 40-year-old Virgin, then knocked up is the same year,

and then super bad. And they, it's just this club that they just kind of get it. They've known how to monetize movies. They know how to find young talent. They're tapping into something that nobody else is tapping into. And it all peaks with this movie, which I think, would you say this is the funniest 21st century movie?

It's my second favorite Apatow production and my second favorite comedy of the 2000s. I think Anchorman is still a movie that makes me laugh harder that I think was like a more kind of ingenious design. but this is really close. I mean, I've probably seen this movie 35, 40 times. I popped it in last night and I was rolling. I was just sitting by myself rolling.

Yeah, it's funny. It's like weirdly like I think I've seen Anchorman more than Superbad. So at this point, there are parts of Anchorman that I'm like, oh yeah, I got it. There's not really like, there's no part of Superbad that's like really out there comedy, the way like there's like the flute scene in Anchorman or whatever that goes on for seemingly 20 minutes. And you're like, okay, this is funny. but on rewatch, I'm kind of like skipping ahead 10 seconds sometimes. I did not skip a single second of Superbad.

Like I was like on the edge of my seat and like honestly convulsing during certain parts of it. Even after like Sean like the 30th time I've seen it. There's probably six movies that stand out for 21st century comedies. Maybe there's a seventh I'm missing. But you're talking super bad hangover, stepbrothers, anchorman, bridesmaids, Borat. I think if somebody's making their list of give me your best six comedies from the 21st century, odds are at least four of those six movies will be on everybody's list in some way.

I think that's a good list. And what's interesting is all of those movies are done by 2011. And this is a theme we've talked about a little bit as comedy. Producer Craig, who's produced in this one as well. He has a theory that this is the end, which came out, what, 2014? that's kind of the end of comedy and then we move into this different world as different concerns come in

and different fears and just the way social media can mobilize and it just I think becomes harder just to say fuck it and try to just get laughs and for some reasons, good reasons, other reasons, you know, not great

because sometimes part of the point of making a comedy is just to make people laugh. Like the period blood scene is just funny. it's disgusting But it's really funny And it was something that happened to them A friend of theirs in real life And it crosses every line

But they're like fuck it We're going for it And it does feel like comedies Are in a weird place right now Well I think also like this stuff Just goes in phases and waves and cycles And right now You know

Because I was trying to think of like What TV I would put up against those seven movies You just mentioned And whether it's like curb Or sunny You know So like a couple of like like the really big ones.

But when you think about a lot of the TV comedies that are on right now, like whether it's Dave or better things and that stuff that's kind of like post-Louis comedy that's a little bit more reflective and a little bit more, like it plays with drama a lot more than just going pure, like what's the most absurd, funniest situation we can come up with? Let's have five jokes on a page. So yeah, I think it's just in a different zone. You know what I mean?

You watch Super Bad and it's just like, you know, 98% of that movie gets red lines. probably for a variety of reasons before it makes it to film today. But in a weird way, it's so over the top that it kind of exists in this time capsule where you're like, yeah, you can't get mad at Superbad, right? No.

Well, they're also reflecting, you know, what people, the way people, what they thought, the way people talked in the early 2000s. That's why, you know, it is what it is. It's a totally honest movie, though. That's the thing is it's not, we got into like kind of a weird,

circle conversation. I think when we talked about wedding crashes a couple years ago, where we were like, ah, these guys like sex criminals or what's the deal? It was such like an elevated premise and such a ridiculous movie. Superbad is like way more grounded. I'm the same age as Seth and Evan. This is how kids

talked in high school in the 90s. I mean, it's honest. It may not be appropriate. It may not be sensitive or thoughtful. But these kids are 16. They're 17 years old, you know? And I think the thing is like, if you isolate any individual line in the movie, you could be like, oh, well, that's appropriate or that wouldn't pass the smell test or whatever. But when you look at the movie in totality, it's actually like a really sensitive movie about friendship and about...

Yeah, I wouldn't call it a satire, but it definitely, like, it definitely laughs at its main characters quite a bit. And like the thing that my favorite thing about, just going back to the high school thing, Bill, is just that so many high school movies are really, really, like, consumed with the clickishness of high school and like the different, like the cast system and how jocks are like this and bullies are like that and cool kids are like this, but the nerds or like that. And this movie is just like everybody is completely enslaved to their hormones. Like, there is some stuff where like they get spit on or bullied a little bit. But like, for the most part, this is a California, I guess high school or whatever. I know it's based on

their lives in Vancouver. And it's just like nobody can think about anything but sex all day long. And that is probably pretty accurate. You know what you mean? Like ultimately that's like the unifying thing about high school. Well, if you think about the content that's coming out now, movies and TV, the premise really seems to center around like, I am damaged in some way and I'm aware of this and then comedy ensues from that. But the characters are always aware of their own kind of issues. In this movie, what's hilarious about it is the two guys have no idea. They have this irrational, the three guys, because you throw a McLevin too, there's an irrational confidence with all of them where they're kind of aware that they're fucked up,

but they don't care. Like, they're just like, they feel like there's this unlimited ceiling for what their potential is. Jonah Hill really feels like, you know, he's going to date Emma Stone. It makes no sense. I don't even really know what their connection is, but he's convinced it's going to happen. McLevin, you know, once he starts taking it out with the cops, he morphs into, into this, like, you know, irrational coffee. He's like D.N. Waiters, basically.

And I think that's what I like about this, is that there's not a lot of self-reful with these guys until the end. And then when it happens, it really matters. It's also beat for beat, like, just got some of the best lines of dialogue. The funniest, just purely hilarious. And whether that's like, came from the script or you could imagine the guys doing it, you know, improvising in real time, they just, some movies just have it. That's like not sophisticated film criticism, but this movie just has it. You could see that everybody is operating in a really comfortable, hilarious place. You could draw, I mean, you could probably pick knocked up or you could pick any number of the movies that are right.

around here that come out of that Apatow thing. But when you take just the cast of this movie and then you just do the diagram of everything they did after this and everything that came from this movie, like Barry and, you know, like all the movies that kind of like emerged from this, it is, it is this incredible snapshot of a generation of talent that didn't necessarily, like Michael Sarah and Jonah Hill and Christopher Mitz-Plass were not like Shia LeBuff. Like that should not have happened for those guys. And it did. And it's kind of a miracle. that it did. Well, there's something to be said for the fact that they spent so much time refining this script. Like, Sean's talking about how, just how many of the lines are just perfect.

Like, they spent seven years working on it. And they even said, like, they had a breakthrough in the last two years from, like, 0506, where they kind of figured out the ending. They just kind of, the movie just kept ending with the party ending. Yeah, they figured out, they needed at the party, yeah. They needed the knapsack scene with those guys where they kind of confronted the fact that they were going to go to college and their relationship was probably never going to be the same. And then the mall scene, which was also really important because it brought those characters back and gave them a little hope that their lives would be normal again. But, you know, when you have seven years to work on a comedy with the kind of talent that was involved with this, it's going to be

good. I think that's one of the upsides of working with somebody like Apatow too and him, you know, adopting those guys and shepherding them. Like, I like almost all of the movies that Apatow is directed. But when he produces, you almost feel like he has more. clarity on how to be great at something because he was the one who told them, you guys can't end the movie after the party. You have to have an emotional connection at the end. You have to follow through on the story that you told. And it makes the movie so much more satisfying, so much more clear in the intention and so on and so forth. And like, not every young filmmaker who makes a raunchy teen comedy has basically like a comedy shaman like Judd Apatow guiding them

through the process. So it just made, it's another one of the reasons why it is so lasting. Rogan's talked before, and I think I've mentioned this before, maybe in other context, but he has this great story he tells about how Apatow taught him and Evan Goldberg about the difference between plot and story and how plot is basically what people think they want and story is what they need. And the plot of Superbad is horny kids trying to have sex. But the story of Superbad is kids who realize how much they love one another and are going to miss one another. And that is basically the last 20 minutes of the movie. If you don't have the last 20 minutes of the movie, it's just a hornedoc comedy that has a lot of funny lines. I think even if you, even if you don't

like rewatch the mall scene every time you watch the movie, it's important that it's there, right? Yeah. Well, I think so think about stand by me, which is another good example of, it's a movie about the relationships between those kids. And that has a different theme of like, you're never going to have a best friend like the one you had when you were 12. We did that one on the rewatchables too. But same kind of thing. I think this movie captures it. This you know, when you're in high school, you end up with the couple friends that are like, your ride or dies. And it's a lot less fun in the moment than maybe it seems like way after when you're just

retelling the greatest hits of what happened. It's a lot of actually like, you know, Jonah Hill face painting when he's trying to hook up with Emma Stone. And it's just a lot of awkwardness and terrible moments. But ultimately you have the relationships that last. Well, you think about how much of your adult life becomes routine, right? Like, just your work and, like, you know, going to the same places over and over again, pick up groceries, whatever. The thing that makes childhood so magical is because every day is kind of an adventure.

Even if it's punishing and humiliating and awkward and you hate yourself most of the time, like, you basically wake up every day. And the thing that this movie really captures is, like, these guys start this day in one place. And, like, so many crazy things happen to them over the course of the day. But they're almost taking it in stride because they don't know any better. You know what I mean? Like, there is a certain, like, sense of adventure that comes with being a teenager. The only thing about the mall scene that I don't like is it ruins this movie's appearance on the best single-day comedies of all-time list.

Right. I was going to ask you about that where you think it stacks up. You think that that just negates it? I think it negates it. I think it negates it. So you got American graffiti, dazed and confused, breakfast club, Groundhog Day, Ferris Bueller, and Clerks. They're all in one day. This is two days.

Can't hardly wait. Can't hardly wait. I think BookSmart is too, right? BookSmart is the same. Oh, yeah, you're right. I think BookSmart's like this, though. Isn't there like a morning in BookSmart? Oh, there might be.

I can't remember. Yeah, and the next day is at the airport in BookSmart. Yeah. Right. I think the second day is that ruins the single day premise. I still think Ferris Bueller is the best single day. Because Groundhog Day is basically, it's single day, but it's cheating. Ferris is also impressive because it's literally the day.

Like, it doesn't even get to. the evening. It's like, it's all condensed into a school day pretty much. And a day that just way too many things happened for a single day as we broke down. We're running out of movies to do in the rewatchables. Like we did, Dase Confused at that one, Breakfast Club, Groundhog Day, Ferris Bueller. You keep doing this and then you'll be like, yeah, we're almost out of movies. And then you'll be like, we're doing 500 movies. Well, look, is Cobra going to be one of the 500 probably? Like, are we going to have to slum it a couple times? Yeah. It's going to happen.

Jaws 2 are going to be in there? Sure. Don't underestimate your ability to do the re-re-proof of life, the re-re-re-re-re-re. You laughed. We talked about the reproof of life. Chris is ready. The reparted is coming. Oh, yeah, the reparted. We have that. We got to do goodwill hunting with Rissilo. Better will hunting. Yeah, we can improve them all. Some other stuff with this movie. Emma Stone's first movie. Yeah. What a debut.

Jonah Hill's first starring role. Greg Mottola's first movie. No. He'd done daytrippers. Daytrippers. Oh, I fucked that up. All right. Well, I was two or three I had right.

Daytrippers, is Daytrippers? Do I need to re-investigate that one? I feel like I only watched that one once. I watched it last year during the pandemic. It's pretty good. It's pretty entertaining. It's like one of those classic mid-90s independent, kind of like small but entertaining movies that's perfectly cast.

All right. Well, Greg Matois's first hit movie, written by Seth and Evan. based on their experiences at Point Gray Secondary School in Vancouver. And they named the characters after themselves, which I really liked. And there was the seven-year Odyssey that we mentioned. $20 million budget. $178 million it made. And Roger Ebert.

Oh, by the way, highest grossing teen comedy ever until 21 Jumpstream. So it had that as well. Roger Ebert, three and a half stars. Our guy, Raj, always loves story. There's story, there's character development, relationships deepened, all things he likes. He said, the movie reminded me a little of National Lampoon's Animal House, except that it's more mature as all movies are. All movies are more mature than Animal House.

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Until basically all the way through when they get in the car with the guy who hits Jonah Hill and we start going to the party and the movie kind of shifts, what's it hit night? Everything that happens in the day, I feel like, is rewatchable. just go through a couple. The opening scene is really smart and good and well-crafted and they're on the phone. I love when Michael Sarah just walks out. They're still on the phone. He's

five feet away, finishing the call, and then just gets in the car. Like, classic best friend stuff. My favorite era of mobile phone was when it was like, you used it a lot, but you only used it to call people. Like right before texting, but you would just be like, I'm just going to call Sean as I'm walking down the street. You probably did call me in that way. I know. I liked it.

The Vagtastic Voyage is debuted here. Yeah, this is great because we have the number one Vagetastic Voyage subscriber. You were the Patient Zero CR of Vagetastic Voyage. What was that like? Chris is Platinum Club. I'm a seed member. Yeah, that's right. Literally.

And then... Can we just talk about how fucking funny it is that he's planning like what porn site he's going to subscribe to once he gets to college? Like, he needs that. like physical distance from his parents to do it, but it's, it's unbelievable. There are other sites that come with it. Peeing on people, that's normal. Evan, I'm not saying I'm going to look at it. I'm just saying that it comes with the site, okay?

I don't know what I'm going to be into 10 years from now. I'm just sick of all the amateur stuff, you know? I mean, like, if I'm paying top dollar, I want a little production value, you know, like some editing, transition, something, some music. Yeah, you know, well, I'm sorry, Evan, that the Cohen brothers don't direct the porn that I watch. They're hard to get a hold of, okay? Yeah, they're talking about it. Like, he's going to go buy a new iPhone or something, but it's the pornse.

And then the mom has the cameo, and he does the, I'm truly jealous. You got to suck on your mom's tits. And by go to Sarah's like, yeah, you sucked in your dad's teeth. Like, it's just like, very high schooly. The home at class kills me. My favorite. If you want to really hit my funny bone, and I think this starts with Chevy Chase and we can update a million years ago, is the person making faces or doing some,

something inappropriate behind the person who has no idea that they're doing it. It's Jonah's like monologue to the Homek teacher. Like, no offense, but when am I ever going to need to make Tiramisu? It's bullshit. Sorry for cursing. But seriously. I'm over here in my unit, isolated alone, eating my terrible tasting food. And I got to look over at that.

Looks like the most fun I've ever seen in my entire life. And it's BS. She's my language. I'm just saying that I wash and dry. I'm like a single mother. Look, we all know Homek is a joke. No offense. It's just like everyone takes this.

class to get an A. It's bullshit. And I'm sorry. And it's not putting down your profession, but it's just the way I feel. I don't want to sit here all by myself cooking the shitty food. No offense. And I just think that I don't ever need to cook tiramisu. When am I going to need to cook tiramisu? Am I going to be a chef? No. There's three weeks left in school. Give me a fucking break. I'm sorry for cursing. It's an easy. Come on. That whole soon as lights out. The the dick drawings confession. I just sit there for hours on end drawing dicks.

I don't know what it was. I couldn't touch the pen to a piece of paper without drawing the shape of a penis. That's fucked. No shit, it's really fucked up. It's just, they really go for it in that scene. I mean, Evan Goldberg's brother drew hundreds of dicks for the, for the dick-trunk thing.

That's where, like, Cape Canaveral is, like, we have achieved liftoff because we're going to spend five minutes on this story. Yeah, it's like, should we scale this back? They're like, no. The Ghostbusters Dick Lunchbox treasure chest. There's just like a bunch of classics there. Great stuff. The driver's license scene is so goddamn funny when he unleashes the McLeaven.

That was the scene they did with the screen test, which you can watch on YouTube with Christopher Minz-Plass, where you look like a future pedophile. Just like... 25-year-old Hawaiian organ donor. Muhammad is the most commonly used name on Earth. What kind of a... stupid name is that, Fogel. What are you trying to be an Irish R&B singer?

Oh, they let you pick any name you want when you get down there. And you landed on Mcloven. Yeah, I was between that and Muhammad. Why the fuck would it be between that or Muhammad? Why don't you just pick a common name like a normal person? Muhammad is the most commonly used name on earth. Read a fucking book for once. Fogle, have you ever actually met anyone named Muhammad? Have you actually ever met anyone named McLeaven?

No, that's why you picked a dumb fucking name. You can't underestimate how hilarious Jonah is by how pissed off he is. in that scene. He's so mad at McLevin when he's like, why the fuck would it be between that and Muhammad? So if you read Grudadarro's piece on the rear, he talks about how like

Mad Jonah was at Christopher Minst Place because Christopher Minsplass just didn't give a shit. Yeah, he just threw him off. And he just had been a step on his lines and he was just like, fuck. That whole scene's awesome. Seth telling Evan he got invited to the party, which

Has the most great Jonah Hill lines Over the course of like two minutes It's weird to say some of this stuff But she wants to fuck me, she wants me dick In and around my mouth Her mouth He creates the TF In that

Isn't that also fucking calm down Greg, it's soccer Great What the fuck Evan, we're down two points Fucking calm down Greg, it's soccer It's soccer Fuck you, man Hey Greg, why don't you go piss your pants again

That was like eight years ago, asshole. People don't forget. Greg's the capper, the iron chef of pounding vage. When I time college rules around, I'll be like the iron chef of pounding vage. Seth's own dressing? Yes, Seth's own dressing. Mama's making a puby salad, and I need some Seth's own dressing. She's DTF.

She's down to fuck, man. And then we could be that mistake. He's just, it's an unbelievable two minutes. And you're right. was more like frantic, mad, but funny at the same time, I feel like, than him. I'm trying to think, is anybody else like that? Just, no, no. I mean, maybe like a, you know, Chris Farley was really sweet, but he had the same energy. But when Jonah gets really worked up, it's so, so funny. Joe could have done like 20 more years of just doing that. Like, he really could have just had like a comedy career where he was

just like, now I'm going home to visit my parents for Christmas and I'm flipping out. Like, he could just had a comedy career just doing that. They did. I'm glad he didn't. He does it a little bit in funny people too. Yeah. Where, uh, when there's a couple ones in there where he gets mad at, uh, at Rogan. I, I, look, you could put the whole liquor store, everything in there. I don't even know how to cover that on the most

rewatchable scene. Well, I would, can, can we do before that the Seth dream sequence buying vodka? Because I, I, I, I, I think, God too is so incredible. At the party, there's this combo where it's the Seth realizing that he's got blood on his leg where he creates the verb perioded. Someone perioded on my fucking leg right into my favorite hater scene

when he has sitting at the bar the explanation of his marriage. Right in there. She opened up my wife. world sexually. On our wedding night, we had group sex. I wasn't involved in it,

but I could hear it. I was through the wall. She was amazing. And then it was exactly 23 months later that I found out that she was an actual horror. We discovered her on the street. Yeah. I'm sorry.

She was bad. Fucking horrid. But you got a new wife now, so. Yeah. And she is wonderful. That had to have been ad-lib, I'm guessing. Or semi adlipped or whatever it was. No, no, she was an actual whore.

He was talking about his wedding night and he's like, there was group sex. I wasn't involved. The McLevin getting cock blocked and then the cops coming in and I'm really sorry that I blocked your cock and all that. All that stuff. I just, the cops are incredible in this movie. And then the ending, I think, is really good, too. Any other rewatchable scenes?

You skipped the most rewatchable scene. What is it? It's my brother came all the way here from Scottsdale, Arizona to be here tonight. And you're not going to sing for him. It's the Coke Party. And Kevin Corrigan. How is that not the most rewatchable scene? I forgot how much you love Coke parties.

How is that? That's better than Boogie Nights. That scene is a fucking amazing. Also a huge Guess Who fan, you know? So he gets to hear Michael Sarah sing These Eyes. These Eyes. These eyes. cry every night

for you These arms They're going to hold you Sarah Sarah in that is Damian Lillard in a fourth quarter It is unreal what he does in that scene What do you have, Sean? I love the dream sequence

Because it features just amazing Jonah stuff when he's like, that would be lovely. You know, all of his line readings are so good. You dropped your purse, ma'am. Would you like some help with your groceries? Well, that would be lovely, young man. Would you like me to buy you alcohol? That would be lovely.

Enjoy your remaining years. I will. Enjoy fucking jewels. I will. I also think, like you said, the whole McLevin buys booze, the robbery, Officer Michaels and Slater show up on the scene and start interviewing Mindy and McLevin. And then Seth and Evan have this conversation outside where he talks about how, you know, Evan talks about how he brought a condom and the lube and they get into this fight

about why he's prepared for the sex night. And then he throws the lube away and then Joe Lutrullio hits him with the car. Also, Joe Lutrulli, I hope he'll talk about him. He's unbelievable in this movie. I think that that whole like, 15 minute period. The purchasing of the booze inside, the robbery, and the fight between Seth and Evan is my favorite little stint of the movie. The reason I like the scene that basically comes after that, which is when Joe Lutrillo takes them to that party, is that in high school, you have that moment where you're like, I'm not supposed to be here. Yeah. There is like that party or whatever where you're like, these guys are older.

They're into deeper shit than I am. And I am, this is an accident that I am here. This is bad. I think, I agree with Sean. I think it's that 15 minute stretch because you left out when they go to St. Carrie Hutchins. She had breast reduction surgery. Joe, it was so bad about it. And then he goes, I got to catch a glimpse of these warlocks.

And they just go off. It's also when he's like, I was going to go down on her for like several hours. That's a great 50 minutes. All right, Woodsage the best. The opening theme song? Oh, yeah. The title sequence.

Yeah. So you know who sang that song? Any guesses? I don't know. It's a song from 1976. It's by the Bay case. It's called Too Hot to Stop. So it's a real funk song from that era that they somehow picked.

I had thought they made the song for the movie. I didn't realize it was actually an old song that they licensed. It's all 70s funk and disco songs for the most part throughout the movie, which is like, can we talk about that very quickly? Yeah. The whole, obviously, calling the movie super bad is like a reflection of 70s lingo. It's all about these like 90s kids trying to be 70s cool in their suburban high school made in 2007.

And it's like, it's actually kind of confusing if you think hard about it. But like if you don't think about it. And one of the funny things about it is like how many times those guys Sarah and, Hill were asked, like, what does it mean to be super bad while they were promoting the movie? And, like, the actual details, the naming of the movie, the music of the movie, like, all that stuff works fine, but it's, it almost like has nothing to do with what's successful about the movie at the same time. If it had been called, like, one crazy night, though, it just doesn't have the same feel.

Like, I actually, I always thought that since this was obviously rooted in their 90s experience, I know this is stupid, but I always just kind of was like, this is like a bunch of kids who listen to the Pulp Fiction soundtrack a lot, and we're just like, I like disco funk. And this is like the first cool thing I've ever owned. And that was, I know that that's not really why they probably called it that, but I always just, because that was like in the 90s, like, that cool in the gang song from Pulp Fiction was like one of the songs I listened

to the most in my life, even though I had no idea about disco or funk or cool in the gang. Well, the richer prior T-shirt is the key to this, right? Yeah. Like he's wearing that one. So yeah, it almost, you're right, it does make sense that this movie is set in like 2001. But ultimately it doesn't really matter. Another would stage the best. The title's really good.

Super bad is just a good title. Great job by them. Seth Rogen tweeted some stuff on the 10th anniversary, including that this movie invented the phrase DTF down to fuck because the Jersey Shore people. Yeah. The Jersey Shore people, Mike the situation, whatever his name was. He started using that. Jersey short people told Seth Rogen they got it from the movie. And then Mike the situation, trademarked it and made t-shirts with it and the whole thing.

And Seth Rogen's friends were like, what the fuck? This is our joke. Another would stage the best, you shouldn't take advantage of drunk women theme? Pretty ahead of its time in 2007. This was a theme of, you know, for the worst in 70s and 80s comedies, Animal House is probably the worst offender of it. But it's a little forward with how Michael Serra approached that stuff. It's kind of what I was saying with the movie.

Like if you isolate little stuff, it looks bad. But if you look at what the messages of the movie are, it's pretty mature. Yeah, it's super horny guys who actually have a decent moral compass that seems like. Another would stage the best. This is for Chris. Rogan and Hader are just in their own movie. they're filming a buddy cop movie that just intersects with this movie

and it's a movie I would have watched 20 episodes Yeah, if they wanted to make 25 seasons of a TV show about Slater and Michael's driving. I never would have stopped watching that. I don't know why they didn't bring the cops back.

Like, why weren't they pulled into some other Apatow movie five years later? I would love to get a Slater and Michael's like, where are they now movie? You know, two guys living in the valley, just like ex-narchs? I feel like if they

announced that they were making the movie just as a joke, people would have a heart attack. I would crowd fund it, yeah. Yeah, we're working on a script for Slater and Michaels. People would be like, what? When's that coming out? The Dick drawings mentioned, the prior t-shirt, the, uh, when he calls him the anti-poon? He said that too. That's an insult, anti-poon. A couple of the Seth lines. Well, Jules, the funny thing about my back is is that it's located on my cock. He says that to Emstone.

So awkward. No one's got a handjob in cargo shirts that's numb. I'm sorry that Cone brothers don't direct the porn that I watch. Oh, Evan. Oh, Evan. Thank you for bringing that lube for my pussy. I never would have been able to handle

your fucking four inch dick inside my pussy without that gigantic bottle of lube. Okay, that's fuck. That's enough. Like, he's, he has 20 great lines of this movie. I feel like you should let me and Sean say some of these lines. So they're just, they're not all cut out of Bill saying this. I'm fine.

Whatever. I don't care anymore. Oh, just, I want to take the wait. Oh, you want to take some? All right, I'll send you some. The police car is just running red lights over and over again in this movie. The donuts, the, like, shooting it as it's on fire. You want to do.

Officer Michael's answer to What's it like to have a gun, Chris? It's like having a second dick but they can kill someone. What's it like to have guns? It is awesome. McLaughlin. It's great.

It's mind-blown. I haven't had one for long, only a few months, but I'll tell you, it's like having two cocks. If one of your cocks could kill someone. It's like having two cocks if one of your cocks could kill someone. Any other what stage the best for you guys?

There's a moment you alluded to it in most rewatchable scene, but I just want to highlight when Michael Sarah is like, we got to converse with adults. And he's like, I met a man who claimed to have climbed five mountains. And Seth's parents were throwing this party. We got to hang around adults, which was a nice change of pace. You converse. You talk to people and they have interesting stories.

I talked to a man who claimed he had climbed five mountains in his life. I think there's an interesting case. We'll probably get into a... But then the cutaway is like Jonah chugging to basketball. I think there's like a really... Like, who won Jonah or Michael is an interesting thing because Michael Sarah is incredible in this movie. I think it's like...

At the time, he had developed his persona. We were getting to know him. He was becoming a pretty big star after a... the development. And it seemed like he had like one pitch, right? You know, this kind of like stammering, insecure, awkward, sweet guy. And that was his one thing. This movie is like actually more of a wrinkle on that than you think that it is. And every single line reading that he has in the movie is perfect. It's so, so funny and so so singular. Nobody else can do it exactly like him. Some people can yell and scream like Jonah Hill. No one can do the Michael Serra thing quite the way that he does.

well the facial expressions too like there's some scenes when he's he has like the perfect smirk on his face or half smirk or confusion and just the way he plays up Joan Hill you could tell those guys spent a lot of time together what's age the worst

well the language obviously and some of the stuff that wouldn't fly now but we're not going to dwell on that it is what it is this movie came out 2007 you guys on MySpace that jumped out at me the fact that the Dan Patrick show, the guy in that show kind of co-opted McLevin,

it's always kind of bothered me. I feel like they should have done that for a year and maybe gotten rid of that. It kind of belongs to Superbad. And then I guess rogue cops, just as a theme, maybe has an age that great. Yeah, maybe like a lot of like entrapment

and like police brutality. Yeah, it seems like in 2007 made a little more sense. Any other, what stage is the worst for you guys? You know, I don't know anything about high school life right now, but is like using a fake ID to buy booze a thing? No, that's the thing I was wondering. It's like if you only know,

if you only judge high school based on like the popular culture that's rooted in high school, like in euphoria, I don't think I've seen them mention alcohol once. Like, or having like the difficulty of buying it because they're always on like ketamine. Yeah, that's a good point.

That's definitely like an antiquated movie theme. Now they've moved on to other stuff. Fortunately, we have Craig, who's 27, producing the pot. Craig. Yeah, Craig, do you do a lot of ketamine? Craig was fake IDs? Fake ID is a big thing for you 10 years ago? Yeah, totally.

My best friend had a fake ID. We use all the time. But fake IDs are still in circulation. And I would say Euphoria is probably the least accurate high school depiction there is. That's fair. Yeah, that's kind of like LA high school on steroids. I feel like fake IDs still matter. Yeah, definitely.

I feel like my son's probably trying to buy one on the internet right now. If you catch Ben with a fake ID, what's your reaction going to be? Pride. And then I'll have to pretend to be mad about it and take his phone for a week. But the initial reaction would be pride. Did you have one? I had a great one. I was Bart Osmond for two years.

Bart Osmond. I was Bart Osmond. Did you play fucking wing for the Maple Leafs? He actually went to high school with me. He made the mistake of leaving his ID at a golf club that I was playing at. And we had, he had brown hair and blue eyes and we kind of looked like. And I was like, oh, you guys had my ID and they just gave it to me. The problem was he was like 5-9 or 5-10.

So when I would buy liquor, I would like slouch down, like I would spread my legs because you can't really see on the other side of the counter. That must have looked really normal. Well, yeah, I had a way of doing it. So in case they looked at the height. But I did look like them. So I got two years about it. And then finally in Worcester, they had the state liquor store that was where we used to buy the liquor.

And I was one of the ones that would always make the liquor runs. And then somebody just side-eyed me. And it's when it, in slow motion, it's like a car crash where you're like, oh, no. Yeah. Oh, oh, they're sizing me up. Oh, God. And then it's gone. That's it.

That's another thing about the movie that has aged so well is it nails the McLevin fear. when he's in the store trying to buy and the camera zooming in on his face and the abject terror. We didn't use fake ideas in my high school, but there were beer distributors on Long Island that you could just walk into and buy from. And 80 to 90% of the time,

they were like, absolutely child. Because you're like, I'm picking up a case of Budweiser from my dad and they'd be like, yep, that makes sense. Yes, exactly. But if you went to like a bodega, they'd be like, I don't know, I got a card you. I used to do door at a nightclub in Boston at the Middle East.

and I will say, if my memory serves me correctly, there were a lot of Hawaii IDs when kids tried to get in. Yeah. Like, I don't know what it was about Hawaii that made it like a big fake ID thing, but it was all hologram. Like if you never really checked people's height or age, it was just like, does it have the hologram or not? I had Maryland in high school and Jersey in college because Jersey was a very, very easy.

Did you have other names? I never had other names. I always had my names. I always was afraid that they were going to ask for a nut, they were going to be like, can I see your library card? Your social security card? Can I see Bart Osmond's social security card? Rhode Island was the one in the late 80s, early 90s. That was the big driver's license. Because nobody knew what a Rhode Island license looked like. So they think so, yeah. If you happen to live there, you must have one. The guys that I was always so jealous of were the people with the older

brother that was like two and a half years older that they looked like. Those guys fucking had it made. It was so annoying. Oh, that was you? Yeah, those were, I hated those guys. It was so easy for them. It's like they just fell into their lap, these fake IDs that could start using when they're basically like 18. Yeah, Bill, I don't think you've met my brother, but my brother benefited from that greatly because he looks a lot like me and looked a lot like me. And he just, he got to feed off of my ideas for many years. It's so funny, too, about like pretty much all these high school movies are predicated on the idea that parents leave their kids alone

for a weekend. And that was actually pretty rare in my high school. Although now that I'm thinking about it, they must have happened more because how else would we have had house parties? But like that was, that is pretty strange

that like a parent, like what would parents think was going to happen? If you would watch any movies ever, like you would just be like, yeah, I guess my kid's just going to have a rager. I had the greatest experience in that in high school. Yeah.

Same. If you had single parents, too, it was so much easier. I mean, my mom was, like, trying to have a social life because she was single when I was growing up. So she would go out for the night, and I would just call 10 people. And that was it. One of my best friends in high school, Jim Grady, the great Jim Grady. He was the youngest by far. So all the other kids were out.

And he just had his mom. And his mom bought this apartment in New York City. So she was in New York City and the weekends a lot. And it was just unbelievable. It was like, we won the lot. He had like a giant basement. It was like nobody was there. And it was just like you need somebody like that.

It's like having a good big man if you're trying to win the title in the NBA. You need like that one guy whose parents are never home. The creepiest thing would be the divorced dad who encouraged it. You guys want a party? You guys want you guys want a little rum? I didn't like that. The part with the getting liquor now is the you can have. have it delivered. And I would assume there's some chicanery that goes on with that, too.

Like, you can hop on your mom's postmates. It has to be, your idea has to be scanned, though, and they deliver it. Yeah. They have, like, a scanner now that they use. This has been my experience when I order massive amounts of booze to my home. I wonder how hardcore they are about the whole scan thing. I guess they, but they scan the things that goes into some database. Yeah, it's got to be harder now. I would assume it's harder now to buy liquor. I feel like it is. Bill, what do you, What's your reaction if Ben comes home with a bottle of loop? I thought you were going to say white claw. My reaction would be, I never would have been able to handle your four-inch dick.

We're going to take a break and then do casting what-ifs. All right, some good casting what-ifs for this. So Rogan was always supposed to be Seth, but then became too old. and they decided he would play Officer Michaels instead and couldn't find Seth basically for two years. And then Apatow said, this is from Grutter Daris piece of the ringer. We were on the set of knocked up. Everyone was there.

We're talking about how nobody could play this part. I looked over at Jonah and said, all right, Jonah, I think you're going to play it. Go in a trailer and read into a camera. And then Hill said, made a tape, ran into somebody's office. Within an hour, he was Seth. so they just kind of all realized oh this is who should be Seth

apparently Shia LaBuff was circled but they were told he was offer only which means for the anyone listening and doesn't understand what that means basically I'm not auditioning you're either giving me the party or not Shia LaBuff as Seth is an interesting it has a different energy

different energy I think potentially like the best thing that ever could have happened to his career or the way worst thing that ever could have happened to this movie. And it's kind of either or. Shia kind of like had a couple of like, he was in an Indiana Jones movie and it didn't work out. Like I think he had his own demons that we're going to. It's a pretty big sliding doors though. Yeah. In 2007, he did transformers. And that kind of changed the trajectory of what kind of a movie

star he could have been. Because, you know, with his like Disney background, you would have thought he would have been like a pure comedy guy. I think the one thing though is like, shy LaBuff is like a very kind of cute, charismatic kid. Right. And so it just totally changes the Seth character. You know, Jonah, the way that he presents is so totally different. So it just feels like it would have been a different movie. Yeah, I think they would have had to give him like a bad wig, dorked him up in some way.

Yeah. You know, otherwise it would have looked too cool. This is on the internet. I don't know if this is true. I couldn't confirm it, but it said Jennifer Lawrence was considered for the role of Jules, the Emma Stone part. Makes sense. Yeah, it's right.

I think she's a little young. She had like the Bill Engval show or whatever? When did she do Winters' Bone? Is that right around now? Yeah, that was probably like 09 range. Yeah. 2010, something like that. The role of Officer Michaels was originally offered to Kyle Gass.

Hmm. From Tenacious D. Yeah. That's all I got for casting with us. That's all I could find. They kind of knew. Yeah. Because this was their crew.

They kind of knew. Yeah. This was their chance to make the movie they wanted to make. It was pretty easy. Like, oh, Hater worked with this guy in this movie. we'll get him. Best that guy, a.k.a. the Joey Pants Award.

So we have the Fuck My Life Liquor Store guy who then shows up later at the party. Do you know what his name is? No. Joe Nunez. Okay. Love that guy. He's got a little piece of Hurley from Lost,

but God had his own thing. I love that guy. That scene is amazing. Joe Lo-Truglio, who plays Francis, the guy who hits. Joan Hill with his car. I didn't know what his name was. I had to look that up, but I know he's been in a couple things, right? He was, uh, he was on the state on MTV in the 90s and I was always

Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. One of my favorite members of the state. And he's been, you know, he's on Brooklyn 9-9 now and has gone on to have a pretty good career. But this movie is the absolute perfect execution of his talents. The like, itchy, intense, weird bug-eyed guy who's like, is he going to kill everybody in the room? Is he afraid of everybody in the room? You can't quite figure it out. I love him. I have a worn out for a nonviolent crime. Why the fuck wouldn't I report you? You just hit me with your car. I'm going to be totally honest with you. I have a warrant out for a totally nonviolent crime. Okay. There. Mercy Street guys. The Coke guy who starts crying when Michael Sarah's singing. I don't even know what that guy's

name is. Patrick. Who is that? Kevin. He plays Patrick. Kevin Bresdenhan. He's just a guy. He is probably you know, win this. It's between him and Joe Nunez. I looked up Joe's IMDB, and this was pretty much the peak. He's been in a bunch of stuff. But if I see that guy in anything, I'm like, oh, fuck my life. I really like Erica Phillips. And she's the liquor store clerk, and she's,

she's like, I've got to take the veterinary exam. She's in 40-year-old version, too. Yeah. Or, yeah, she's in 40-year-old virgin. I really like the two guys on the couch, who are, Jody Hill and Ben Best, the guys who created Eastbound and Down. Oh, wow. That's a good one. And are also in that universe of dudes.

And, you know, Ben Best, when he notices Jonah's pants, that whole sequence is so great. All right. So we'll give it to, we'll give a tie between Joe Nunez and Kevin Bresdenhan. Vincent Hanna, give me all you got a word for overacting. Jonah dials it up a little bit,

but I feel like it's the character. as always, if Carla Gallo shows up in a movie, she's going to go for it. I just don't get it. It's so wild. Like, what else does, like, does Carla Gallo have, like, a normal career outside of the people she plays in Apatow movies? I don't know. I had her for another award coming up, but we could give her for this, too. Jed Nelson Award for a person who seems like they're in a different movie. I don't, I feel like everybody feels like they're in this movie.

They pretty much all get it. Like, Corrigan is legitimately scary. I was going to say Corrigan is like I would love to have like a movie about him and his Brazil football shirt but like yeah he's good

Dion Waiter's Award Carla Gallo as period girl Joe La Truglio Kevin Corrigan and then McLevin's girl at the end I would say are probably the four finalists Nicola

yeah yeah and it's coming down to Kevin Corrigan and Carla Gallo I feel like for this No love for Dave Franco here it's just one that one moment Yeah.

Yeah, it's like 10 seconds. That was like eight years ago, asshole. What about David Krumholtz, too, when he's like pressuring Michael Sarah. He's like, who is this guy? Who is this guy? And he's like kind of, he's like in the Godfather or something? Why is he playing? That whole seed is like Martin Star, Crumholtz, yeah.

I'd probably say Carla Gallo. She comes in red hot, hits a couple threes. It's just completely off the rails, the entire. That fight is great, too, where, like, he throws the bottle and hits Patrick in the head. It's just, like, everything goes off. Recasting couch. Do you want to have the Becca conversation now? Yeah, I actually would go the other way, which is, like, I'm kind of surprised that that actress didn't have a bigger career.

I felt like she's kind of charming. Martha McIsaac is her name? Yeah. I don't, I don't know what the reason for that. Who's the person you would have replaced her with, Bill? Could that have been Jennifer Lawrence? Is this movie more? interesting if it's Emma Stone and Jennifer

Lawrence are the two girls attached to these guys? Or do we care that she didn't go on and do really that much? I don't think that actress can be like that quote unquote hot. I think Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone are both like young high school

babes and that girl needs to be a little bit more bookish, a little bit more Michael Sarah's speed. All right. So who would you have for recast and catch? Michael Sarah's mom, maybe go bigger actress? Carla Carla Gino, Gagino? Yeah. That would be great.

This movie's pretty perfectly cast. It's tough to argue with the choices, I would say. I don't really... I can't, like, revise any of the casting in this movie. It's too precious. Have Fast Internet Research. I have some L.A. location stuff for you guys. Yeah.

As you know, one of my passions. The high school, the exterior is El Sagan-Doh High School. The mall scenes were shot at the 4th. Fox Hills Mall, which became the Westfield Culver City Mall, which now is not, I think it's defunct. It kind of got blown out of the water by that other mall that's in, I forget what that one's called, but the Westfield Culver City Mall, and I don't think exists. The one that, it got blown out of the water by the Central City one? The one that's on Pico one. The convenience store at the beginning at the, you know, that we, our favorite 50 minutes, that's in Culver

city. The liquor store where McGlovin gets IDed. That's in Glendale, California. It looks exactly like a plaza in on Hillhurst where the drawing room is. It looks exactly like the drawing room plaza. Are we sure? Are we 100% sure that that's not what it is? It says on Wikipedia that it's Glendale, but it looks exactly like the drawing room. Wasn't that also where Nathan Fielder put dumb Starbucks in that same outlet? Yeah. Which made me think, like maybe that was just the space where they rent out for productions. The Starbilt's one is like a block north of that. It's closer to Los Fields.

A lot of good east side L.A. talk in this spot. Where they do the donuts was the California State University Northridge campus. And then the bar that they took McLeaven for a drink is apparently neighbors L.A.X. It's right around L.A.X. Oh, my God. It looks like a valley bar. You know, like it has like a real like walking out of the blazing sun into a completely dark room.

Fogle tells the officers to take him the 13th. in Granville. That was Rogan and Goldberg's favorite all-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-susu restaurant in Vancouver. David Goldberg, Evans' brother,

did all the penis drawings. He made close to a thousand. Only a handful were actually in the movie. And there were a couple that... Why did he make a thousand dick drawing? I'd want to give them a lot of choices. The,

a couple of them, the movie, the MPA, got upset. And when young Becca's holding one of them, they made them kind of do some chicanery because they were like, this is not flying. They figured that one out. It's understandable. Michael Sarah and Martha McIsaac actually got drunk for their aborted sex scene. Yeah.

They talked about that in the Gritty Dara piece. How many times do you think the word fuck was used to this movie, Chris? At least 200. Sean? I'll go 13. producer Craig 280 176

I would have said over 202 the cocaine scene was based on a real incident with Rogan and Goldberg from their younger days they attended a party when they were 14 they were saying goodbye to some local stand-up

comic who was moving and then Rogan said everybody started doing blow and Goldberg said the house was owned by a midget and a bodybuilder who were a couple midget no longer politically correct but uh and he said and then there was a pig so i i don't know

what's going on in vancouver at that point uh and then we talked about how joan hill created uh hated christopher mince plus but do you find anything else in your research chris no i mean most of the stuff you i found was like the grudder d'ro piece is great it has like a incredible reservoir of anecdotes and stuff just like but like just random stuff like michael sarah fell out of a tree on like early in the shooting and stuff like that yeah I think when this movie has its 15th anniversary next year, there will probably be some big oral history that somebody will do, would be my guess.

Maybe it should be the ringer. Apex Mountain. This will be interesting. Jonah Hill. I mean, he's like twice Oscar nominated after this. And now like a director. Yeah.

Yeah. And he has completely shifted the trajectory of his career. Because you mentioned 21 Jump Street coming along and becoming the biggest high school comedy after that, right? So he was clearly on this. path to becoming, I don't know, like, could you say like the John Belushi of his era? Like, he was on a very particular kind of tract and he was, he's obviously interested in a lot, doing a lot more than that, has become a serious actor, has become a filmmaker, he's done a TV

show for Netflix. He's done a lot of different kinds of stuff. I would say 21 Jump Street for him. I feel like after Moneyball, everybody just changed their opinion about him. They're like, oh, he can do that. And so, but this is, probably this may be the movie that he's remembered for i think it's 21 jump street because that movie made even more money than this movie and then paved the way at that point he had some dramatic chops to and paved the way for a bunch of stuff he wanted to do including um mid 90s a big favorite of uh my son's in this house and uh great good wall street which i think as the years will pass will become a more and more important movie it already is but he's really big in that and uh

I like Joan Hill. I've interviewed him a couple times and a really fun guy to talk to, like really thoughtful and I think thoughtful. I think all these guys, I think what the reason they've been so successful other than being talented is they're really thoughtful about the industry

and what makes sense and what doesn't make sense. Like, I just don't, I think for their generation, it's what makes it unique. They're real fans of the movies that came before them. They put a lot of thought into how they can make an impact, how to put a career together.

I think he's done a good job. Michael Sarah, I would say this is definitely an apex mountain for him. Yeah. Yeah. When's Scott Pilgrim? Scott Pilgrim's 2010, but he also was in Juno this year.

Yeah, this is definitely. Those movies are huge. Yeah. And he's just coming off of a rest of development at this time. What do you think, so his 2010s, why do you think it fell off a little for him? Do you think, you mentioned how he only had

one pitch and then this movie, he at least redefined the pitch a little bit. But it does feel like he hasn't had that second career that I kind of thought he was going to have because he's a pretty thoughtful actor. I think so too. I don't think he was very interested in being famous. That's the impression I've always gotten from him.

I think he took a lot of parts in smaller independent movies that he thought were interesting. And some of those movies are good, but none of them. I mean, he's made very, very few mainstream studio movies in the last few. He's also like a huge filmhead. Like, he is like a deep, deep art house movie guy. But you're kind of like what happened to Chris?

That's right. Didn't want it. Yeah, that's right. Didn't want it. When Take Hunter took off, he's like, you know what? I'm a little scared by how big this got. I'm just going to do smaller stuff, indie stuff. He does crop up in movies every once in a while.

Like, he crops up in Molly's game. He's so good in Molly's game. He's really good at Molly's game. He's great in Molly's game. And he, what else was he in recently? I feel like he's going to have one more run. Oh, he was in Twin Peaks, too. And when David Lynch brought Twin Peaks back,

He was really good in Twin Peaks a couple of years ago. So I could see him having like a second life as a like an adult dramatic actor. You know, it's going to be a show like White Lotus, one of those kind of shows. It'll be like a limited scripted series where he just crushes it in a really weird, offbeat, awesome TV show. Like he could have been the Steve Zon part in White Lotus. Yeah, a little too young still for it. But I mean, it's totally. How old is he now?

I feel like he's similarly like around my age or I'm 40. Yeah, he's like, like, no, he's 33. Oh, shit, all right. He could not have been the Steve's on part then. You're right. So he's in tweener right now. He's not old enough yet for some of the parts he'd probably get at. That's amazing that he's only 33.

We're talking about him like he's like Hank Aaron or something. That makes sense because in the research it was talking about the actress that, but Martha McIsaac was like 23 and he was 17. So technically it was. illegal that they were going at it in the movie scenes. Christopher Mintz-Ploss, I'm going to say... Absolutely, yeah. He actually went on to have more of a career than I ever would have guessed.

He did role models? Is that with his... Neighbors. And neighbors, right? I mean, he was in promising young woman last year. You know, like, he's having a career for sure. And guys like that, that part in that character, that nerdy, high school, geeky character. That person usually kind of, like, disappears.

I thought he wrote a really good. good Players Tribune essay about being trapped in the character McLevin. They don't really have Players Tribute for movies. I think if they did, I think that would be one of their first pieces. Players Tribune

for movies would probably work. I don't know if it would make money. Emma Stone, no. Martha McIsaac, yes. Bill Hader, no. Seth Rogan. Oh, 7 is probably, hard to say that anything any other year could ever be as big for like more than a handful of

actors than it was for Seth Rogen but what he has done since then is arguably the most impressive out of anybody of this whole group no question I think I feel like we should talk about him yeah what he did did because this is him and and Evan coming up with the idea and pushing the movie forward and making it happen at a young age after being a young stand-up and actor And I don't know, it's like a little bit of a sliding doors thing again, too, where it seems like he's trying to have this like Albert Brooks style career, you know, where he's like a writer and a director and he stars in the movies and he's got big ideas about how to make these really entertaining mainstream comedies. And then over the last five years, he's like, I'm like a mogul now. Yeah. I like executive produced tons of shows and Black Monday, boys, preacher. Yeah. He has a weed line. He writes books. He makes pottery. He's got like a massive weird career. Yeah.

He was at the center of. of a Sony hacking scandal. He's like fighting with Ted Cruz. He's got this like really outsized version of fame going right now. That I don't know that I would have guessed. I was like, oh, this guy's Chevy Chase or Chris Farley or something. But it's fascinating to watch his career since this. And, you know, he's made like a lot of, I generally speaking like a Seth Rogen movie is,

is at least like a baseline of being really entertaining even if it's not like rewatchable. But, you know, you watch something like long shot, which me and Sean both. really enjoyed. And it's like really like you can see like the idea that Seth Rogen has versus like, I don't know whether or not he has like probably doesn't have like final cut obviously. So it's like the ideas that he still has about how to make a really successful version of the story he wants to tell versus like what they make him do or what like studios maybe put pressure on him to do or maybe mistakes that he makes. It's really fascinating to see like this is like the perfect encapsulation of that talent still. I think it's probably neighbors.

because that sets off the second wave of his career where it becomes a little more adult and professional. But I mean, fuck, after 07 where he's got he's got knocked up and Superbad in the same year, which leads to him doing Pineapple Express, which is a movie that it's kind of unbelievable, got greenlit. I know.

But it gets greenlit just because he's such a big star, they're like, hey, we have this idea for a movie. That movie's just a lot of stone people writing a script and then just decided to make it. It's so similar though to Superbad though, right? Because it's like, it's a generation that watched Midnight Run in Beverly Hills Copp and was like, we want to make one of those.

We want to make a lethal weapon. And they did their version of it and did it great. Producer Craig, where do you stand on Pineapple Express? I love it. Yeah, I figured. It'll pop up on rewatchables at some point. It's amazing that movie got greenlit though. Late 300's rewatchable?

Yeah, it could be in the next hundred. predicting what number the rewatchable is going to be is a good bit. After Proof of Life 3 colon triple proof. Number 383. More Apex Mountain. Comedic cops? Wow. Is this the funniest cops?

That's not exactly a much celebrated subgenre these days. I know. That's why it could be Apex Mountain because after this, I don't know if we had comedic cops in the same way. We also, they tried in different movies. There was that weird. Seth Roker made another one. What was that observing report? That one, a little darker. Yeah, a little darker. That's like a mall

cop. Yeah. Oh, 21 Jump Street Craig says. Maybe that's the foolwork. Apex Mountain for flipping your boner and your waistband. Has it ever gotten better for that or no? Was that something that you guys did? Is that a trick you pulled? I feel like Seth invented that one.

Dartmouth, Apex Mountain for Dartmouth. A lot of Dartmouth people at the Ringer. I know. Right? Because you have this, you have this movie becomes such a success. Remberg and Zach Lowe. You think this is why Rembe went to Dartmouth? For Superbadge.

Yeah. It was inspired. This is why Amanda Dobbins went to Dartmouth, for sure. For sure. No question. Gold slick vodka, Apex Mountain? Pretty sure that wasn't a real vodka. There's no question that my,

wife drank and vomited up lots of gold schlager vodka. Yeah, Goldschlager was one of the all-time evil, bad idea, liquors anyone's ever created. I'm amazed that they didn't actually, I think if they made this movie now, and it would have been worse for a lot of different reasons, but one of the things would have been the carefully marketed gold slick vodka, the real vodka coming out and being only 10,000 available, and they just would have done shit like that. There's an NFT for it. Yeah.

Hawaiian driver's license? I mean... It's got to be the peak. Yeah, I can't think of another... Maybe like the guy who played Sawyer from Lost's driver's license when he was making Lost. That would have been...

That's a good thing. Love Sawyer. People had T-shirts with that driver's license on it. That was a McLevin thing was a cultural wave for sure. Ben Simmons, my son, has a room that has

two giant windows in it. One of the windows has a huge flag of the McLevin driver's license that covers the window. I'll put it on Instagram after we release this podcast. A flag?

It's a flag he bought on Amazon of the McLevin driver's license that all of a sudden showed up on the mail and he's like, my flag came and we're like, what's going on? Does that mean he's like a citizen of the nation of McLevin?

What does that indicate? He just loves McLevin. He loves this movie. He loves Big Levin. We're going to take one more break and pick some nits. All right, picking nits. Why does Jules like Seth? Like, why?

What's going on here? I think that's the most movie magic of this movie. We've seen a lot of schlubs get the girl or have the girl interested that seemed improbable. Yeah. This one, like, he's getting spit on by bullies. He's worried about being Stephen Glansburg. in the cafeteria when nobody else is there. Billing Martin meltdowns in every class he's in.

He's got two friends, both, one of whom is a half decent mellow guy and the other is basically a potential sociopath, but Glovin. You think Jules watched... Jules is like, this is my guy? She watched Seth run like track and was like, that's the guy.

Right there. Watch him flying around. Look, the most improbable high school, somebody falling in love with somebody else is always going to be Allie falling in love with Daniel son and the crotic kid. That's never going to make sense ever at any point in the history of mankind. This is up there, though.

I just don't get it. And also, like, at her own party, there's not other guys making runs at her. And then drunk Seth shows up and it couldn't go worse. I love when they go through all of her boyfriends. Matt Muir, have you ever looked in that guy's eyes? It's like when I first heard of the Beatles. That kid looks like Zach Morris. He's at a six-pack since eighth grade.

So anyway, that's a nitpick. There's some geography stuff that I think is pretty confusing in this movie. We're not sure where it's set and everything seems to be pretty close to each other, but then we're in the suburbs, but then we're immediately on the bus. The bus is obviously in L.A. It's very much an L.A. bus. I'm not sure where this is supposed to be set. Is it supposed to be the valley?

I assume is the valley. Because the valley has these kind of suburban sprawling. landscapes, but then you can kind of get into neighborhoods that have local bars. And I don't know, that just, that is, that's even the most logical. Well, Seth Rogen, he says that they filmed the whole party scene, a half a block away from the house where Nicole Brown, Simpson got murdered. Oh. So that was Brentwood.

Now, if they're filming locations, that's not supposed to be where it actually is. But I assume this is the valley. That would, I'm with you, I think. But even if it's the valley, in the valley, things aren't near each other like this. So I don't know. It's a slight nitpick. I also, this is just a personal thing for me. I would not have had Emma Stone get hurt.

I think there were other ways to accomplish everything they needed to do in the end. I think it was just a weird choice that he basically headbutts her and gives her a black eye. Like, maybe he should have fallen face first into a shovel, which then the shovel handle came up and hit her in the eye. I think it's really weird that they thought this was, the headbutt was like the way to go on this. And also like, why even have her get hurt? I guess you need for the cover-up scene in the mall, but that was a weird choice.

I thought she forgave it a little too easily too. I think it's effective for telling the story, but it actually just stretches your suspension of disbelief even more about why she would ever speak to him again. That's a real like, you punched me in the face before my grass. photo, you're dead to me kind of in a moment. Would seem like it.

It's also interesting that like their original ideas to end the movie at the party. And you almost wonder whether or not that gets kind of like attached on so that there can be like another scene where he's apologizing for that or whatever.

Yeah. I just don't think he needed to actually headbutter. I wouldn't have gone with that. Her reaction though was great when she's like, what the fuck? Yes, that was good.

What, any other pick-and-knits for you guys? No one has an older brother to buy beer or alcohol. No one in this giant high school. There's no siblings at all. Like there's just, yeah, there's just no, like, there's only one parent.

I mean, I get it. I get why they do it this way, but you'd think that there would just be more people outside of their core group kind of around. What's the plan about just burning the cop car? Just ultimately, if like, we're really going to have a conversation about that?

like what was the next 20 minutes like after the thing is set on fire and burning are they just walking like what are they telling the police? You have to say that like we like we were answering a call and then a crackhead stole the car, right? This is related to one of my unanswerable questions, which is it. Are Michaels and Slater still cops? How long did they last on the force with this kind of behavior? I had that as well too. I think they have moved on to like security details stuff. Private security.

Yeah. Yeah, like those neighborhoods where the guys just kind of drive around the neighborhoods. They're not a lot to have guns. They have like tasers. It's probably what's going on there. Craig, you have any nitpicks? Yes, I do. I don't think that, A, they got enough alcohol for everyone to be so stoked that they arrived.

Craig, this is an amazing nitpick. Great nitpick. Great job, Craig. He shows up with these two gas. Like, did he wash those out even? Yeah, he did, but like you can't get tied out of a tide. But they'd be a joke about that. He says, I'm drinking green beer.

I just don't think anyone's like, hell yeah, this guy showed up with two red cans of gross beer. Now the party starts. Yeah, maybe not the heroism. I think you would have to have, you're pulling in a keg to get the kind of reaction. Yeah. that they're getting out of that.

All right, that's a good one. Anything else, Craig? No, that's it. All right. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? It could. It wouldn't be, like, obviously, one day. Please don't.

Yeah. Yeah, please don't. It's an all-in-one-night movie. We don't make those TV shows. I think if you guys wanted to do your, your Michaels and Slater spin-off, you could do that, how those guys fuck themselves out of the force in LAPD.

I am, I'm D-T-F with that idea. I might have to ask Bill Hader. Maybe I'll have the answer for the next rewatchable. Has a Michaels and Slater movie ever been discussed? Have you ever like just sat at some dinner, some restaurant where for 20 minutes it felt like semi-real? Because it could have happened. Probably in answerable questions. It's funny to imagine that character becoming Barry.

Probably in answerable questions. What are Seth and Evan doing now? So they would be 32 years old. They would have jobs. I feel like Evan's probably more successful than Seth. Yeah. What do you think if you had to guess, what is Seth doing right now?

What's his job? It's funny to imagine, like just based on their roles, it's funny to imagine Seth, as the assistant GM of the A's. I feel like Seth is like a general manager of Brozers right now. He dove into one of his passions. You think he took over a vegetatic.

Yeah, yeah. You got into directing. Creative director, yeah. And Evan is like a consultant at an accounting firm somewhere. But they still hang out. You know, they still get, they still get into trouble. So Seth lives in, like, Miami now.

Yeah, he lives in Miami. Yeah, with three other women who may or may not be 19. Okay. Well, they have their 15th year high school reunion coming next year. I'm excited to see how that goes. What happens to Jules and Becca?

Do you think they ever talk to those guys again? I think they go on two dates. Yeah, agree. Probably Evan and Becca have a better chance to last than this summer. Would be my guess. Did another unanswerable question? Did Michael Serra create the new age sensitive male in this movie?

I don't think he created it, but I think he platformed it. I do think that that stuff is influential. I do think the kids watch movies like this and they watch the way that the characters act. And then they accept that as the new social moray. And they're like, this is actually how you're supposed to be with a woman. And it can be really, I wonder if Ben, for example, had a different point of, has a different point of view about how to treat girls because he's really into a movie like this, as opposed to if you grew up with Animal House and you have a completely, I think that stuff is actually

impactful. Sure. I agree. Yeah. We talked about this before with some of the early Ethan Hawk stuff with like reality bites and even kicking and screaming or something like that where you see something like that. You're like, oh, that's what college will be like. You know, and you go into college expecting to be like a guy who reads books. Right. I forgot to do, I forgot in the

what stage the best. I always love the slow motion, something soaring in the air that might get broken. like the risky business egg in this thing the gold schlager bottle whatever it was called where the leaping forward trying to catch something

is a trope that I'm always in on when the homeless guy attacks McLevin in the back of the restaurant he's like get off of you fucking Bob also when the homeless guy recognizes him on the bus and he's like McMuffin the homeless guy

probably we should have considered for Dian waiters. Yeah. He's bringing it. I caught, I watched the movie with subtitles on last night, and I caught what he's saying in the bar right when they show up. And he's yelling at the bartender, and he says, get these nuts out of their shells.

And that's what he's mad about. He's got bar nuts and there's shells in them, and he's freaking out. It's a very little tiny thing I noticed this time around. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? well the ID probably I had the ID the original ID ID I feel like that's actually

if that was on some sort of auction they have these movie prop auction sites now I feel like the McLevin ID that's a real thing that's a one of one this is an iconic movie that will continue to be an iconic movie and that's a good thing to own

do you think that this movie do you think that ID and that this movie helped organ donation that's a good unanswerable question. Are there more organ donors after this movie? Or did it get hurt by that because Slater and Michaels are like they make that joke about like my wife may be an organ donor. Before we get to who won the movie, did we spend enough time on Slater and

Michaels? I just want to make sure we didn't shortchange them. We may have undersold them questioning Mindy when they're like, so he was an African Jew. Not a crime they all thought you all. Not a crime. He looked like me. So he was a police officer. We'd love to see those guys back. They really have to figure this out.

All right, who won the movie? I know that this guy did not win the movie, but we kind of skipped past him. But can we just do one second on Matola? Just because he's made two of my favorite coming of age movie, super bad in Adventureland. And he obviously is just incredible in this fane. So I would just shout him out.

Adventurelands on the list. Yeah, it's a great one. Could be in the 200s. That might be my wife's favorite movie. Based on his experiences growing up on Long Island, going to and working at a theme park that I went to growing up on Long Island. So you're saying that hits some of your interest, Adventureland?

Hell yeah. Also has one of the best soundtracks, like most underrated soundtracks. Is there a scene in there where he's complaining about Richard Todd and the Jets? Or telling the story about how Wesley Walker's blinding one I? No. Unfortunately, the movie is set in in Pennsylvania, but it's based on Long Island. Sean, what are your Zach Wilson vibes? I haven't talked to you in a while about this.

The new king of Cobra Kai, Zach Wilson? I feel like he's headed for a real James Winston, kind of 30 touchdowns, 30 interception season. That's my take. That's going to be great. I can't wait. Who won the movie, guys? I have, I have Rogan and Goldberg because of the story, the background of it, the fact that, you know, it's a little like when we, when we did the Goodwill Hunting Pod. The whole concept of these two buddies, like we're going to write this movie together that's going to be our big break.

How many times people have actually done that versus how many times the movie was made and became successful? It's probably less than 10. Of like, I was on your couch when we were renting that shitty apartment and we wrote that scene of whatever. And the fact that

vaults rogan to another level, him and Goldberg end up opening a production company that does really well. And it just kind of sets the tone for, you know, in a lot of ways, it's the peak of this whole era, of the Apatau era. I think this movie's the peak of it. I think it's the best movie that came out of it.

I think it's the most fun to talk about, to rewatch. It's got the most stories that came out of it, and it's got the best backstory. So I would go for them. I don't think you can underestimate that within 10 weeks, June 1st, 2007,

Knocked Up comes out. August 17th, 2007 Superbad comes out. I mean, that's an amazing rocket ship of fame. Because these two movies, too, I mean, we didn't really talk about this. Chris, you talked about this a little bit, we talked about Knocked Up on other pods,

but both of those movies were phenomenons. They were like, yeah, did you see it yet? Like, every party you'd go to, every time you'd go out to dinner, people were just talking about these movies all the time. They were so big. So I think Goldberg and Rogan is probably my vote, too, Bill. It's also worth mentioning just because it's such a sadly rare occurrence that we go to the theater

and see a comedy at the theater that's like this, that the experience of seeing this and knocked up, but this too. And there's some great stuff from Grutterdardar's piece about them going to like Emma Stone seeing herself on screen for the first time. They went to like Westwood or something and sat in the back. When you see a movie like this, it is unbelievable in a theater. Like people are like falling out of their chairs. There's like actual popcorn like flying up in the air. It can tear the roof off the way like because when we saw a long shot, Sean, remember that? And it was like people were just like crying like it was laughter. It's just a different experience than watching it like at home.

Yeah, I remember seeing there's something about Mary in the theater, another movie we haven't done yet. And there's a couple moments in that movie where people were just bent over. You know, like real like people just losing their minds. It is a pretty rare thing to hit. All right, so we go Rogan and Goldberg. Craig, who do you have for who won the movie? I think you're right. I think it's got to be Rogan and Goldberg.

They basically made every single kid who went to high school think that they could write a script about their experience in high school. Yeah, I wonder if there's like a son or daughter of this movie. I mean, it's book smart, right? But do you think it's the same backstory where the person was, like, I wonder like two friends being like,

let's write our version is super bad. Maybe it hasn't happened yet. Somebody listening. You should do it with one of your friends. I think people are trying. I think unfortunately... You think there's some guys trying to write some scripts about their childhood.

I think these movies, unfortunately, are just not also being made. That's the other thing is. Nobody's giving anybody $20 million to make a high school comedy anymore. Craig, was this your most anticipated rewatchable? Or was it three heat? Or was it triple... When three heat comes, it'll compete.

But this is my favorite comedy ever, so yeah. Everybody thought 200 was going to be the three heat. What happened? You guys blinked? Well, it would have been 201. No, I think we're going to do 250 for, because we're thinking about anniversaries where it's like 100 is an anniversary and then 250 and then 500, I think, are the ways to go. Have you been able to book Wayne Grove for the third seat yet?

No, part of it is what's the third seat? What's the gimmick? We really did it well the last time. So we don't want to just redo the pod. So it's got to have some sort of extra gimmick. Watch along? Chris, we thought about the watch along. Chris was thinking we rob a bank and then immediately do the pod right after.

But I don't know, I'd be worried. Like the adrenaline or robbing the bank, what that would mean for the pod? It's hard to get into the Long Beach like shipping container area now if I wanted to do it there where it was just like LAPD, motherfucker. It's going to happen. We'll do it for 250, I think. We have a Michael Mann-Rinkle coming in the next couple weeks that I think will be a good attachment. You're finally doing the keep, huh?

No. No, we're not. All right. That's it for the 200th episode. Thanks to producer Craig Horlebeck, who's been here for most of these with us. I think at least the last 150 or so. Thanks to Chris, thanks to Sean. Thanks for everybody who listens. If you want to listen to old episodes of rewatchables, they're on our Spotify feed. So all 200 are there. You can find them. Easy to search for it. Just plug in movies. type in movies in the Spotify search. The movie will come up if we did it. Proof of Life episode comes up immediately.

Just type proof. There's not a lot of proof of life that comes up right away. You too can be the first person to listen to the proof of life episode. Listen, it was one of the lower rated ones. Daniel X hasn't responded to my email about getting that some proper merchandising. Listen, Spotify didn't promote it well enough. We thought it could have done better. But anyway, thanks for this and we'll see you next week.