The Rewatchables - ‘The Big Chill’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey spend the weekend in South Carolina to reminisce about college, listen to their favorite records, and rewatch Lawrence Kasdan’s comedy-drama ‘The Big Chill,’ with Kevin Kline, Glenn Close, Tom Berenger, William Hurt, Jeff Goldblum, Mary Kay Place, and JoBeth Williams. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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the big picture. That's right. With Sean Fantasy and you can find the watch with Chris Ryan you're on the Philly special from time. Yeah.

What else are you on? Well, the Kelly Ubrae signing, you know, I think he's going to really recommit me to the Sixers. I want to just ask you, when are you going to stop doing the watch?

That's something I want to know. Bill always checks in if you're still doing it. There's no more content. Okay, yeah. It can be going backwards with content. My name is Bill Simmons. Every year on my birthday,

we do a movie that I love. And this year we're doing the big chill. Where did it out? Alex's hope. Go! Next. Eight old friends who haven't seen each other

in a long time are getting together for a weekend they'll remember for years. So how's your life? Oh, great. How's yours? Not so great.

Oh, we're telling truth. Meg's turned on. Karen's ticked off. For 15 years, you've acted like I'm the one you really wanted and you've made sure that everybody knew it.

Nick seemed red. It was easy back then. No one ever had a cush year birthday than we did. It's not surprising our friendship could survive that. Sam's feeling blue. I don't know what people think about me.

I don't know why they like me or even if they do like me. You don't have that problem here. You know I don't like you. Sarah's growing up. I can always be counted on to do the right thing. It's a disgusting curse. And Harold's winding down. Getting away from your people's best thing ever happened to me.

I mean, how much sex, fun, friendship, and one man take? So how come they're all having so much fun? Because they have each other. The Big Jill rated art. All right, CR, I can't think of a better Amazon description for a movie, probably ever than this. This is the actual Amazon description for the big show. Ex-college friends reunite in a big house after a funeral to play old records and talk. Yeah.

The only thing that could have been better is if the LAPD was involved somehow. Directed by Michael Baird. This is like in your real house. This is a 40-year-old movie, by the way. It's the 40th anniversary this year, and it is somehow held up really well. I don't understand why. I think the things we're going to share is this may be the first movie that we, like, this is an inherited rewatchable for all of us because I bet this is our parents' movie.

This is a movie that's kind of about our parents, probably. And this is the one that they were like, please watch this with me. And it was on all the time. So this was not like my discovery. I really feel like this is like my mom's movie. I think whether it's universal is kind of a fun conversation, though. Like whether it actually applies to people who are 37, 38 right now, and whether they relate to it meaningfully is a big open quote.

Because Lawrence Kasden, who wrote and directed it, thinks it is. He thinks it's a movie for everybody arriving at this time in their life. Other people might disagree. I might say this is only for boomers. This is the boomer movie. Well, the key theme of the movie is probably unique to the time, but I think the central premise of gathering together with these people that you spent an incredible amount of your time with for a short period of time.

And then you kind of all go your separate ways. But then when you get back together, it's like that long period of time when you're apart evaporates. Yeah. Right. And I think that's a universal theme, right? I just lived it. I was in Cape Cod. I saw all my Holy Cross buddies for one day.

And I hadn't seen some of them in eight, nine years. And within like two seconds, we were just busting each other's balls and making the same jokes we made when we were like 20. Why did you want to do this for your birthday movie? Happy birthday? Yeah, happy birthday, though. Well, it was on the short list of we got to do these. We got to do these movies. And this was always, this is one of the movies I've seen the most times.

And the anniversary and the other thing. And I feel like if we didn't do it now, when are we going to do it? But there's so many ways to go with this. Do you want to just start with the friendship thing? First of all, this movie has been, people have made runs at this theme for 40 years since and nobody cracked it. Yeah. There's been no, oh, this is the big show for this generation.

People have gotten close in a couple ways. I remember beautiful girls tried in the mid-90s, and there's a movie called About Alex in the mid-2010s. That didn't get there. Indian Summer tried to do this in the early 90s. 30-something tried. There's been a million kind of Netflix shows. Well, famously, also the precursor of this movie,

Sikakis 7 is like this, yeah. There was that Friends from College show on Netflix. and you just feel a lot of the mumble core stuff I feel like is in this vortex too 10 years you ever see 10 years? Yeah 10 years is another I kind of like 10 years

Yeah, it's pretty good Great cast But none of them did with this movie There was a movie called The Intervention Uh, like came out a couple years ago That was like Natasha Leone's in it It's kind of like this, yeah I don't remember that one

Yeah It was an indie movie So where does this stand for UCR? As far as like a friendship movie Just anything Well, I think of it I love reading a about the making of this movie

because they talk a lot about the fact that they all got to become very close in the rehearsal period leading up to it. And the only other time I've read about something like this, I'm sure other people rehearse a lot, but like this intense period of like living together,

building up the story, building up the characters, is dead poet society, which is another movie where you're like these kids feel like they actually go to school with each other and they actually live with each other and they're actually growing up together. And so that feeling with like

where you're like, this isn't just a job for the, people who I'm watching and they're you know it does feel like a generation of actors was captured right at the right moment of all of these people and it's a completely different time in Hollywood but I think that it just feels incredibly genuine and that transcends any kind of datedness that happens whether it's with the music or whether it like it's the politics of it I think this movie I was always warned against it it was sort of like this is for the generation before you and it's like when they got rich and fat and

And, you know, we're just reflecting on what they could have been and how they, like, sold out the generation that they came from. And the movie is received with, like, a lot of suspicion by a lot of people. But I think in many ways, it took a long time for me to realize that that is very much the point of the movie. That the movie is a fully understanding. Like, it feels warmly towards the characters, but not necessarily what happens to you as you go through life. Yeah. And that Kazden is very kind of mixed and ambiguous on his youth being, like, a radical person. and then becoming the guy who wrote Indiana Jones, you know,

like there is like, it's okay to feel conflicted about what your life has become. It's actually, that's the point of art is to kind of reckon with that, as opposed to just like, here's a bunch of white people singing Motown songs in a kitchen. Well, that's how I think I grew up with it, and now I watch it.

I'm like, oh, I think this movie's a lot more critical of Harold, for instance, than I ever thought it was when I was like a teenager watching this with my mom. Yeah, so it hits a bunch of themes, right? Like that friendship theme that we talked about, like if you spend enough time with a group of people, they're always going to be your friends, right? And it's just a different language and different rhythm

than anything else you're going to have. There's also that part. And I think, how old do we think that people are in this movie, like late 30s? Probably like 37, 38. Where a lot of people hit this point where they had all these dreams when they were in high school and college and after and I'm going to do this,

I'm going to do that, and I'm going to save the world or I'm going to become the biggest writer or whatever. and a lot of people hit that point in their late 30s were like, oh shit, that stuff's not going to happen for me. And now I have these two kids and I'm married and I'm just grinding out work days every day and I really thought this was going to be different or that you end up like Alex,

where it's like I kind of peaked when I was in college and maybe I should have taken that Rutledge fellowship but I didn't. And the pastor says in the beginning where he's like in a series of seemingly random jobs, which was a nice way to say, Alex was just fucking drifting through life and couldn't figure out what he wanted to do.

So you have that piece. And then just how everybody relates when some people are doing better than others when you all started on the ground floor or something. So it's doing all these different things on top of when you have relationships with people from way back when and there's still things lingering

that maybe you didn't totally address, especially if it was male friends and female friends. And they just throw everyone in a house and they just like basically set a match to it. Yeah, the thing I love the most is the way it captures how your friends in college are often friends out of circumstances, whether you live next to them in a dorm,

you have class with them. Or random luck. It's just like Jacko lived next to me. Like if he had been another dorm, I might never ever met him. All my best friends were proximate to me. But when you get to like maybe when we moved to New York, it was more of like, I'm going to zero in on this person

that I've decided I want to be friends with and like we're going to actually develop a relationship where it's like I love the guys I went to college with and I kind of kicked around colleges, but that was like much harder to be like, oh, I guess like you were in the band t-shirt that I like, so I'll just stand next to you until like we're friends. Let's hold beers in a crowded place together,

staying next to each other. I always love the scene in Big Chill when it kind of is falling apart, and Nick is like wrong, we knew each other for a short period of time a long time ago, and like you don't know me at all. Like that's almost... Nobody had a cushier than us. It was easy back then.

But I think it's a very incisive way of looking at the way like you you maybe decide who somebody is when you're in your 20s and then you don't really allow that person to evolve or change in your mind like that. The thing that's interesting about this one though is, and it makes it very different from Sakaka 7, the John Sales movie, and different from a lot of these movies is that even if all of these people, none of them feel like they've totally realized their dreams, they're all really successful.

Like almost like otherworldly successful that a group of people like this, a guy who started his own sneaker company that was acquired by Nike, a huge TV star, a feature writer for People magazine, like a corporate lawyer, like these people did really well. Somebody who married well. Right. Where's really nice tennis sweaters. A guy who deals pills.

With the exception of Nick, who obviously is perhaps the most soulful, complicated, has lived the most. But even Nick seemed like he had the first podcast. Yeah, he did. He created, Nick created a podcast thing with the guy from Publ of the Vibe. Yeah. Nick created life and place. The other piece of this is, and this is like really, I feel like, unique to people my age who had parents from this generation was, you know, the specific people who were in college in the late 60s, early 70s, who felt like they needed to change the world.

It was the first time in America where people were like, this place, we have to fix stuff. This is not going well here. And it's going to be us, the young people. and they all went out into the real world, all idealistic, and then it slowly changed as the 70s went on. My parents were both teachers, and my mom was going to be a social worker, and 20 years later, my mom's running a jewelry store.

And that was pretty common for that era. And I think what they thought this movie was about when they were making it was what happens when a group of people who think they're part of this bigger movement and they're going to change the world as they get older, and they realize, eh, be kind of sold out. It may have been inadvertent, but this is a movie that taught me to be cynical. It's not, it actually had the kind of opposite effect

that it was originally grounded in, which is that, you know, I watched this happen to my parents where they, my parents were not revolutionaries by any standard, but they were just like desperate to claw out of middle classdom and to just have more money and be more successful and be more comfortable because as you get older, you're like, the whole idea of the movie, is like, it used to be about us and now it's about me.

Yeah. And what's in it for me and how will I be happier? And like, if you're a young kid and you see a movie like this about the generations that come before you, you're like, okay, well, they learn that lesson for me. Thanks. And then that's why, like, reality bites hits. And you see reality bites and you're like, oh, that's why Troy is like, fuck everything. I don't care.

Yeah. But then we turn into guys in our late 30s and early 40s and whatever. And we're just doing podcasts about reality bites. And we're like, the 90s were the best. You know what I mean? Like, we became these people. We just didn't necessarily have the like, we weren't maybe at the forefront of a political vanguard like these guys were.

But I remember sitting on long road trips with my mom, and I'm sure we'll talk about the soundtrack for a long time. But just this is what she played. She would just play the big chill soundtrack over and over and over again. And I just like, um, so much good music is like Harrow Smith. You know, like,

and, uh, I'm now that person. You know what I mean? Like now I just listened to the bands that I was, in college listening. to and bands that sound like those bands, but yeah.

But you might also listen to some of these bands. And that's the other thing is that this set the template for what the Harold character is talking about, which is so interesting where he's like music, there is no music. This is the only music in my house. Yeah. And I felt like that held for a longer period of time than any other era of music.

It just stopped when Yon Wunner left the Rock and Rolls I mean, that's notable, right? That is still going on. I mean, the other thing too is just that like generationally, baby boomers are just still in power. I mean, they're the president and the person who's going to run against him and all of these people. Like, those people are, they still run the country. And they were trying to change things.

And then they grabbed power and they were like, we're not letting go. And so this movie to look at it in that context is fascinating because it's not like it used to be where people who were 50 or 55 or 60 ran the world. It's like 75-year-olds, 80-year-olds running the planet. Who probably loved this movie? I'm sure. Mitch McConnell loves this movie. Well, you think like how many movies were of that mindset of this generation that

is going to try to change the world, right? There's that all those were made. There were all the Vietnam movies that were made. Then there were all the America's a little more sinister. Yeah, Wall Street. Yeah. All those kind of movies. The Bright Lights, Big City kind of.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were kind of juggling all three of those. And then I felt like when the 90s hit, then we moved into a little bit more of a Forrest Gump. Right. Hey. Yeah. It's kind of great to be here.

And then just crazy versions of other types of movies like Reservoir Dogs. I feel like there's a class of director. Robert Zemeckis comes to mind, Forrest Gump, Ron Howard comes to mind, a few people who were kind of the post-Lukus Spielberg crew, mostly guys, mostly white guys, who grew up in the 60s and 70s, their careers got started in the late 70s.

They had huge success, and were thinking about their own idealism in their early movies. And then as they get older, and they get wealthy and successful, all their movies become about, like, the world is going to be okay. Right.

Because I'm okay. There's an optimism. Yes. Yeah, you're right. And that's an unusual thing that happens, but it's because your worldview as you get older and more successful becomes smaller.

It doesn't get bigger. You know, your life becomes more closed and it becomes more about your family and about the job that you're doing. And that's really it. So this movie is like right before that happens for Lawrence Kasden. You know, it's right before he,

you know, like Grand Canyon is an interesting double pairing with this movie because of the way that it's clearly him but the way that he has evolved the way that he thinks about the world too. And that movie's really optimistic. Yeah. Much more optimistic than this movie.

Yeah, it's weird because I leave this movie happy, but it's also not that optimistic. Yeah. I think that's one of the brilliant things about it. But they also, they strike oil with the actors. I was going to see. William Hurt at this point in his career, Glenn Close says she's becoming a comet.

Kevin Kline, who's one of the most likable lead actors we've had in the last 40 years. and Berenger, they're in this amazing Beringer run where he's from like, you know, basically all through the 80s and if you were just buying baseball cards of these people, you would have treated all them equally, I feel like. Yeah, it's so funny to go back through the filmographies of the actors in this movie.

And, you know, we talk a lot about how the industry has changed or they don't make certain movies like they used to. But when you go back to the early 80s movies that like Mary Kay places in, and I think she tears off like Private Benjohn, in modern life, this, in terms of endearment. I'm like, they do not make movies like that anymore. Like the description of the movie is like two people and then a third person shows up and

that's the apple cart. You're like, oh, like, that was enough for a 90 minute feature. And these people were really, really good at playing pretty approachable, knowable characters. It's also not judgmental about them, which I think is a really fascinating 2023 piece to this? Because I feel like if they make this movie now, Meg becomes the most sympathetic character. The J.T. Lancer character is much more of a self-parody.

Harold's probably just way more of a sell-out. I feel like they would have blown out different pieces. One of the things I liked is I really felt like these were all real people. Like, Barringer becomes J.T. Lancer. But as soon as he's in the house with these people, he's like, all right, this is my safe place. Yeah, I got to go to the park. These people all knew me when I was fucking thrown up outside of my dorm room. Meanwhile, he's on the cover, Us Weekly, he's probably, you know, he's basically magged in PI.

He doesn't seem like an ego monster at all. Not at all. He's very ambivalent about his success, which is really interesting. Like, he's, like, embarrassed by it. Kevin Klyan's same thing. Obviously, he's built this, Harold's built this, you know, awesome shoe company that's about to get bought. But he seems like he's pretty grounded in whatever that is. I don't know.

The friendship pieces of this is so carefully and meticulously. like that in the end scene when they had the big fight the night before William Hurt and Berenger right blow up and the next morning they're oven coffee and Berenger comes in William Hertz's in the table

and he just, it's not even at the cameras it's like on the left side he just comes behind him and he just kind of hugs him from behind and he sees him who he is and like pats is that's like that's what happens when you're like really friends with somebody you might have an argument the night before but the next day it's like

we're fucking brothers, we're good. Yeah. Sierra and Greenwald after every pot. Totally. From behind hug. I'm sorry about what I said about winning time. After True Detective Season 1 when they got through it, man. I fucking talked over me. But I very rarely do movies

pull that off correctly. But I think it goes back to what Chris said about the rehearsal time. Yeah. There's like real chemistry in like a crazy way with the actors. The more I think about this movie, especially like in the context of doing a pot about it, the more it's like basically one of the songs, like one of the Motown

songs on the soundtrack where you watch it and you're like, man, this is just like a warm bath. I love watching these people hang out. I love watching who's going to get Meg pregnant. Like it just plays out. And then when you watch it over and over again, just like if you listen to one of those Motown

songs over, you realize the levels of emotional complexity and also screenwriting architecture and storytelling work that goes into the first 20 minutes of this movie where you're just like, I know everything about these people and they haven't spoken really? Yeah, Chris to ask me this, is the first 20 minutes up there with like the best 20 minutes

of movies had? Well, especially because of what Chris just said, the thing that jumped out to me watching it again, obviously it has this amazing montage that introduces you to the whole world and Alex's death at the same time, which is ingenious filmmaking. But whenever we do a movie for the show, I always watch the movie with closed captions because I want to know the lines, I want to follow closely like what they're trying to indicate. Did somebody say something in the background of the scene or something like that. And when you watch this movie with the closed captions,

heard it through the grapevine is you see the lyrics. And that song is a perfect example of what you're talking about, which is like a really emotionally difficult and wrought song. It's a really sad song

and a really like a wounded song but it's so catchy. And it's popping on the captions. Yeah. And so when you think about it in that, I mean, it's a perfect song for the movie. Now that's a song that is like

built into our, like we're hardwired with that song now in our culture so we don't think about it that critically that much anymore. The same thing with movie. If you've seen it a hundred times, you don't think about it too much, but when you're paying close attention and you see the way that, you know, not just that Alex is being,

like, it almost seems like a woman is dressing her husband to go out to a party, but also that there's like a real melancholy throughout the whole movie that they're trying to communicate to you right off the bat. And it's also what's, I heard it through the grapevine, all these people are hearing about Alex dying and getting ready to go to this funeral. Like, it's a purposeful choice to use that song at that moment, you know, and like just those. little details that he make sure he gets right and never do you feel like everything anything is like labored over right you're like

oh my god it's we're already at the reception and I and like it's 19 minutes and you think about like sometimes you'll be watching movies and you're just like oh my god it's only what it's only been 21 minutes right we're still doing this like this is like so fast grape find so good you think like they peaked with this song choice and then the fucking Rolling Stones come in and it's used as well as you're gonna ever use a song in a movie.

Because she's playing it. It's so good. And just the way they cut to each person reacting to it. This is one of the, we said this during the boogie notes pod. This is a movie where you can make a Spotify playlist of all the songs in order of when they're in the movie. And you can kind of feel like you're watching the movie because it's like almost like a jukebox for the movie.

I think it's one of the best crafted movies. It was so interesting to see the kind of critical response to it, which we'll go into a little bit later. but people were like, eh, like some well-done stuff here, but... Yeah. And I was like, man, like now as the years pass, as we've seen so many people try to take a run at a movie like this, how hard it is to just bring in a group of people,

get all the stuff you need, all the nuances to bang home that these people are truly friends, give them some reason to be together, give them some sort of big picture purpose. Like, nobody's making this movie again. I don't see it. Well, or it'll be a TV show, which will be, Probably even worse. Sorry, Sean.

Yeah, that depresses the shit out of me. I mean, on the one hand, they picked a lot of hit songs, right? They picked, which, like, how hard is it to pick hit songs? On the other hand, it's true to the experience of the characters, and I guess Meg Kasden, Lawrence Kasden's wife, you know, helped curate the soundtrack and worked with him on it. And they were just literally picking songs that would have been popular to these people in 1968, 1968, 1969, when they were all together.

Yeah. And then it plugged them back into their life, however number of years. years later, which to your point earlier is like, that is what happens. You know, you just like, I'm still listening to Nirvana. Like, I'm going to listen to Nirvana until I die because that's just, that stuff kind of becomes a part of you. And so it isn't just as simple. The other thing that I think is interesting about it is we didn't have Spotify in 1983.

It wasn't as easy to just hear the song you wanted to hear right away. You had to find, like to seek it out eight for it. That's why this soundtrack so popular is because, you know, like, that's why like our moms listened to it all the time. Yeah, did a combo. You're right, though. It is this. Boogie Nights, Goodfellas,

Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction's a good one for this. Where it's like... Saturday Night Fever. You would almost describe the scene as the my girl scene, the weight scene. You make me feel like a natural woman scene rather than the scene where this happens.

Like my wife the other night was like, oh, tell me, let me know when they're about to do the wait. Right. And I was like, oh, okay. And I know exactly where that happens. Yeah. And like what happens the night before? and then it's yeah

it's just so many perfect music cues in this when I was with my buddies last weekend we had one of those whatever the little Bose speaker thing is and so I was like I'll play me because I have all the stupid playlist the only music we listened to was like 87 and 90 and 91

and 93 that was it we're all together it's like of course we're just going to listen to those songs again you guys want to listen to Olivia Rodrigo yeah you guys heard guts just a bunch of guys in a house Listen to Gus? What's more pathetic?

Seven guys who went to Holy Cross listening to Olivier Rodrigo or me by myself in my garage listening to Lavier Rodrigo? Some people would be like seven guys who went to Holy Cross listening to Dinosaur Jr. I don't know. Oh, my guy. The Dinosaur Jr. is still banging it out, man. I'll tell you that. Lawrence Kasden, Barbara Benedict, were college friends.

They started writing it in 1980. and it was a little semi-outer biographical. Cazden was body heat. He was working on that. Body heat, we did on the rewatchables. What was that month? Sexy. Sultry, sleazy.

Sexy Nour, Newar Sexy Month, whatever we called it. Your commitment to branding is just the second and done. Thank you. That was our biggest month ever, right? Those are the most popular episodes we've ever done. Well, cruising is the most popular rewatchable. of all time.

When are we going to re-cruise? I'd like to recruise. We're going to do that live for a live show. Live show. I've got some venues in mind. Kazden said The Big Chill is about a cooling process

that takes place for every generation when they move from the outward directed more idealist that concerns of their youth to a kind of self-absorption, a self-interest, which places their personal desires above those of the society or even an ideal.

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Best Picture nominees that year. The Big Chill. The Dresser? Mm-hmm. What was the Dresser? I've never heard of this. I've never seen it. It's Albert Finney and Tom Courtney.

Albert Finney is an aging great actor, and the dresser, the titular character, is Tom Courtney, who's his personal assistant. The right stuff, tender mercies, and in terms of endearment wins. Caz does not get nominated for Best Director. None of the men get nominated, and Glenn Close gets nominated for Best Supporting Actress.

the William Hart not getting nominated is fucking insane. I just can't believe it. He does win a bunch afterwards. What? I just can't believe he didn't nominate. Is he supporting actor? I think they all have to be supporting actors. I think. I think

for this film, yeah. I think if you were going to put somebody in best actor, it would be Klein. Yeah, I mean, no one was going to beat Jack Nicholson in this year. No. So it doesn't really matter. I guess it doesn't. You don't think this should get best picture. though, right? Do you? No, I think terms of Adirman should have. I think right stuff should have.

Best supporting actor, Nicholson wins. What do you say? The dresser, but I haven't seen it. Wow. It's great take. The supporting actor category is a disaster. Rip Torn got nominated for Cross Creek? Rip Torn?

I like Rip Torn. Come on. Artie? What's Cross Creek? I know he's Arty, but what's Cross Creek? It's a film came out that year. Alfred Winter was also nominated for Cross Creek. Sam Shepard for the Red Stuff.

John Lithgow for terms of adornment and Charles Durning to be or not to be as SS Colonel Earhart that'll be a performance that lives in infamy It's a Melbrook's movie It's a good movie

Fine And then Glenn Close To win Would you would you have been good With Glenn Close as the only Oscar from this Oscar nomination? I don't It doesn't keep me up at night

But probably I think about it every day I don't think so I think if I Yeah I would be bothered by it I do think that William Hurd is the standout. He's the person when you're watching the movie where you're... And part of it is because he has the best part.

He has the most complicated part. The guy, you're like, what's going on with this guy? What's wrong with him? Why is he like this? I think that's a crock of shit. We're afraid just the opposite is true. Alex died for most of us a long time ago. Fucking, ow.

Tough fun. This movie made... Is that what you say about Zach Lowe? Zach Lowe Why didn't he take one He's not here with us now You know That's true

He's here spiritually 8 million dollar budget It made 56.4 million dollars And got Two and a half stars From Mark I, Raj Got super artsy Fartzy

And snotty on us This is one of his best kickers You want to do it? Yeah I got to pull it up on I He's It's mostly a positive review

It's I think he got the movie. I gotta say, I think it hit a little too close to home for Raj. Oh. I really do. That makes sense. The Big Chill is a splendid technical exercise. It has all the right moves. It knows all the right words.

Its characters have all the right clothes, expressions, fears, lusts, and ambitions. But there's no payoff and it doesn't lead anywhere. I thought at first that was a weakness of the movie. There is also the possibility that it's the movie's message. I think he's right. I think that's a great reading. Four stars. That's weird that he gives it to.

It is weird. It feels like a three or three and a half star review. I think he looked in the mirror and he didn't like what he saw after this movie. Could be. I was going to change the world and instead I sit in my room and I write about movies. Yeah, I'm talking to Siskel about whether 48 hours is a thumbs up or not. What happened to me? Get my V-neck sweater on.

I mean, yeah. What happened with modern problems? Do you feel that way right now? About the emptiness of the movie? No, about yourself. Oh, Sierra's super happy. You and Siskel over here, you know? Sierra touches lives every day.

Yeah, that's right. You refuse to answer that question If I'm happy No that's not what I said Do you feel that you have betrayed The hope that you have for your life? I don't think that I ever had a Like political agenda

In my early life that I have betrayed Do you? Sierra and I were the same We were been psyched to do What we'd like to do for a living And make 50K a year Think it would have been like There's no way that's true about you

What are you talking about? No, that was true I really just wanted to have a sports column I'm going to get paid for it. No. You're the most competitive person I've ever met. But that eventually came as it went. But initially I was like, how do I get paid to write columns?

But part of the reason that you're so good is because you want to win and you won't let yourself quit without a win. That manifested itself after. I admire it. Don't get me wrong. And you too. I do. You play a cool, but I know. Seattle and I had a whole, we didn't even know each other, but we would have been friends, but we had all mid-90s cigarette stage.

Yeah. Just like. I probably was a late 90s for you. Troy from reality bites for your tastes at points in my life. The Philly thing, I think would have been a problem. There would have been a Dr. J thing with this. And I don't mean Troy, like, looks wise. I just mean I think I was pretty like intellectually full of myself.

Yeah. I'm still dealing with that. With my intellectual full of myself. No, no, no, my own. What about you? Do you feel like you abandoned any kind of like? I never really had any good ideas about how to change the world. So no, I don't.

I'm very excited about what my life has become, honestly. Can I redo a paragraph of Polly and Can I redo a paragraph of Polly and Revee. As soon as you see how warm she is, meaning Meg, I think, you begin to see the film's flabby side. The seven characters are like a psych major sexually integrated version of a 40s bomber crew.

She's an incredible writer. She really is a great, one of the great writers at both time. She didn't really like this movie that much either. This was made in the lab to like piss her off. Turn her off. Yeah, for sure. Well, this became a pretty polarizing movie.

Yeah. Even for as successful as it was, I also think it hit one of those things where it's like, well, wait, it shouldn't be this successful. And then there's the Sakaka 7 piece, which people are like, oh, it ripped off. Kazden said, I never saw that movie. I actually watched the first 30 minutes of it last night

because it's on AMC Plus, which I might be the only subscriber, but they have really good movies. Plus, like, you know, Darrell Dixon's starting. Because that's how I get my shutter subscription. Same. Yeah, me as well. Yeah, I like AMC Plus.

I watched the first 30 minutes and it's like you can't even compare it to the movies but there's like I think it's the generation is the same sure yeah to me the acting isn't even close

there's no technical savvy with how it's filmed I think John Seals made that movie it's like an indie movie it's like an old-school no money movie but to me they're actually quite useful to talk about with each other because

Sikaka 7 is about people who didn't become yuppies. You know, the people who were the revolutionaries are not like cushy sitting on their ass executives and they're not lawyers. Like, they're regular people.

They're lower middle class people and that's what almost all of John Sales' movies are about lower middle class people. That's what he's interested in. And this is the opposite. This is Lawrence Kasden after writing a Star Wars movie thinking about what his life is now

and where he came from. Two Star Wars movies. Right. And then trying to kind of work through. Start. His success. Was involved in that one too? Yeah.

Yeah. Emboddy. Solid start to the career for Larry Casten. Unbelievable first five years. Like maybe the single greatest in screenwriting history. But you know what's funny in real life? There were more of the Sakaka 7 type people. Like my dad, who obviously was in college in the late 60s and had a bunch of friends

and a bunch of people in Boston. Was your dad in the weather underground? I don't know about that. But New definitely had a couple of those people who like they never kind of graduated out of, They never unlocked the part of, oh, now I'm 40. It would be nice to maybe have money to spend. It was not uncommon. Did you guys have anybody, maybe like friends' dads?

I had one friend's dad who was a pretty successful guy, but had habits from this late 60s era that he did not break. Like, first of all, just listen to the dead and almonds all the time. Smoke joints openly and from me as a child, like, while we would drive us back and forth from, like, tennis camp or something. and was like a real like, I think ex-hippy had like a little bit of like a hard-bitten. You saw my dad two weeks ago.

He has the same haircut he had in 1970. But he loves the equalizer. Yeah, true. He's graduated. He's grown with Denzel Washington. Yeah. I don't know. My dad just made a big life change,

obviously, when he became a police officer. So whatever he was before that, you kind of, you can't live the same way. Yeah. My mom, though, my mom went to Woodstock. My mom was a flower child. Like my mom, and she was always that kind of a person in her entire life.

She wasn't smoking weed in front of me, but she wasn't not smoking weed, you know? So I feel like I understand a lot of who these people are, even though they're trying to, you know, abandon some of the way that they lived when they were 19 years old. My mom's take was basically she was amorphous. She moved with the era. So when we went into the disco party cocaine era,

she's like, I'm in here. Yeah, I'm keeping up until last days. It's the 80s. We're now in the Gordon Gekwere. She's like, okay. Oh, let's roll with this. And then the 90s, it's like America, a little happy. She's like, cool, I'm going to work in jewelry store.

And she just kind of rolled with whatever was going on. But she loves this movie. It's her favorite movie. It's her favorite normal movie, I should say. What does that mean? What do you mean? Like, what's a not normal movie? You mean, like, nine and a half weeks?

Oh, yeah. Or revenge. Like Adrian Line movies. Okay. People are, yeah, breathless with Richard Gear. Okay. Yeah. Movies where people are.

Unfaithful with Diane Lane. Being sexy in a violent way or violent in a sexy? Or somebody's got a secret or, yeah. This is her most normal. I'm really proud of her that this is her favorite normal movie. Most rewatchable scene. We mentioned the opening credits with the bathtub and Marvin Gay. It's in the short list of great meet every character montage.

So I tried to watch it. I knew when I was watching it this time, I was like, okay, you remember how much you love the opening 20 minutes of this. I tried to just write down what you learn with no dialogue from this. You learn Alex committed suicide. You learn Sam is famous. You know Nick is stoned

and probably bad news. You can tell based on where they sit with each other at the church and how they like wave to each other. You know what Joe Beth Williams just from her sweater? She's like, oh, you're like a country club mom. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just like that's all like within the story. It's still moving forward. It's still going towards this funeral. but you find out about all these people and the kind of like mapping of their relationships just by like watching this opening 20 minutes that's largely without dialogue

where the dialogue is kind of ambient where it's like I was sitting next to Chloe and he's like oh I got this you know you're like oh Michael's piece of shit Costner we don't know when we see this movie that Kevin Costner and we know nothing about him

I didn't know who Kevin Costner was until American Flyers which is a movie like either the feed will just die of natural causes or there would be some last year where we're doing like American Flyers. I'm super happy because I fucking love American Fires. I've never seen it. Bicycle movie.

Costner's incredible in it. It was like he was clearly going to be a star after American Fires. Maybe we should do cycling month on the rewatchable. Yeah, breaking away. When are we doing Breaking Away? American Flyer. It's too bad easy rider. It's not watchable. No, what's the one where Kevin Bacon is the Quicksilver?

Quick Silver. Yeah, that's not great either. Breaking away is a must for the rewatchables, though. That's an amazing. movie. I agree. Costner, in 87, hits with No Way Out, and then by the late 80s is one of the biggest stars in the world, and then that adds to the Big Chills' legacy. He's like, he got cut

out of the Big Chil. You should explain it. People may not know really what happened. So he's the dead guy in the beginning. He's Alex. And he has this whole scene that they filmed, that's the last 10 minutes of the movie, where they go back in time. A little like the end of

Godfather, too. So it was supposed to be the last scene? Godfather One or God Godfather, too. Yeah. Supposed to be the last scene, going backwards in time with them in college, and you see how important Alex was to the group dynamic. It doesn't work. And Kastin's like, I got to cut Kostner.

Like, there's no other way to work him in the movie. Put some in Silverado. Feels bad. It's basically gives him the lead part in Silverada. It's like, we're good. This all work out for you. And then over the years, as Kostern became the biggest star from this movie, then it became a case of how do we see that,

Costner scene. And Casden, to his credit, always sat on it. Unlike, who was the director we were just talking about who was doing recuts of Michael Mann. Michael Mann. Yeah. Michael Man. I'm doing recuts. And Casson, which I think is the better way to do it. And Casston's just like, look, I made that movie. That's the movie. Nobody's going to see the Costa scene because it'll screw up what you see of the movie. And that's how we're doing this. Turns out when you right Raiders, you can get a little cocky. I like it.

Well, I mean, this movie hit in a way that Black Hat did not hit, unfortunately, for Black Hat. It remains to be seen. Maybe over time, Michael Mann will be proven right. But that's the thing, too, is this movie was a zeitgeist movie, and then it became definitional for a generation. And because of that, he had no reason to mess with it. Why would you, what would you change about it? It was also...

If you were like, it's the 40th anniversary, here's the Blu-ray, the Costner scene is in there, and Costner is going to do press for it. I think it's... I think after 4th. 40 years, maybe it is time to drop the Koster. I think it really does... You think it's like the JFK papers, and when everybody dies,

like, we'll get the Kastner scene. Well, now it can't live up. That's the other thing, is that it can't live up. If he felt it didn't work 40 years ago, it's going to be disappointed. I remember seeing the deleted scenes from Shawshank, which I don't even know, even if they're out there anymore,

but that one scene where extended of red once he got out, and it's like an extra four minutes of him, like, leering at some girl with the tank top on and stuff. I'm just like, oh my God, I wish... Why did... That's why... doesn't want to do this.

So the reason why I double-checked about it being the last scene in the movie is because I'm pretty sure it was the first scene they shot because they basically went and put together like this whole like Thanksgiving scene. And you have to imagine getting to act with Alex, getting to act with the Alex character gave them like this kind of like sort of orientation of like talking about this guy and it's more than just a figment of their imagination. Like they had worked with Costner. They were like had a visualization of who.

he was. It's a very good call. I agree. Well, we'll never see it. Because Lawrence Kastin's made more money than anybody and he's like, fuck you, you're not seeing it. Give him credit. I mean, he's a true artist. Like, you gotta be a, you gotta really stick to your guns. What would you do if you were, would be a deleted scenes guy? Yeah, I probably would cave. Because look at all this stuff I did.

I'm a real show my work kind of guy. Yeah, but you're also a DVD head. You want to give people a reason to buy physical media. That's true. That's true. Sean's like, I'm going to check with my letterbox community. Find out what they think. Can you create a letterbox category for this show for any time I appear? I think we need to speak directly to the audience. Let me see what the box heads think.

Did I tell you that I met the co-founder of Letterbox? And he said he heard your comments. He said they thought they were funny. Okay. Great. Next scene. I mean, we go from banger to banger here. I do think, incidentally, like, which character would have a very active letterbox to count is a great award to give.

It's got to be Michael. Yeah, Mike would be. He'd be like super, super douchey with the movie picks. William Hurt shows up late as we're doing this, the, that whole, the whole wake scene, where did Alex's hope go? Klein goes up, does the speech, can't get through it. But he does get off, though. There was always something about Alex that was too good for this world. Then he dies.

The stones come in. Just the way the camera moves around. and then they fucking kick into that song. And it's one of the best stone songs. Yep. And it's hard not to hear that song and think of this movie. But it's great. It's dietic.

It's like Karen starts playing it on organ, so you're like, okay. And then it just kicks in. And there's a lot of, like, funny little stuff. Like, Joe Beth Williams is introducing her husband to William Henry. He's like, can I go over here? Is she trying to get away from him? Richard's getting dunked on. Meg gets stoned, just out of her mind.

we get though what was the argument about I told him he was wasting his life all that stuff so Chloe's saying I wish I could have written up there Yeah in the front Yeah First 20 minutes on a saleable Next rewatchable scene

The Richard's big kitchen scene I'm glad you pointed this out Richard's on a fucking heater in there Making a sandwich at three in the morning Just dropping dimes Sometimes I think The thing about kids Is there instant priorities

You know you have to put and provide for them, and sometimes it means your life isn't exactly the way you want it to be. Some asshole at work you have to kowtow to, and sometimes you find yourself doing things you never really thought you'd ever do. But you try to minimize that stuff and be the best person you can be. But you set your priorities, and that's the way life is. I wonder if your friend Alex knew that. One thing's for sure. He couldn't live with it.

I know I shouldn't talk. You guys knew him. But the thing is, nobody said it was going to be fun. At least nobody said it to me. A really weirdly resonant scene from these two guys who are like lapsed revolutionaries and this other guy who's like a real kind of down the middle square conservative guy, but who's kind of being honest. Yeah.

I just also like, I didn't really think about this before, but like can you imagine if, if like you were eating a sandwich in the middle of the night and I walked in like high out of my mind and my boy had his shirt open and we're hungry what's up Rich

but he is fearless in being like here are the decisions I made in life it's not exactly what I thought it was going to be I have some regrets but nobody said

I was supposed to be happy like nobody gives a shit about it. He's to complete strangers he's saying that he says he says you set your priorities that's the way life is

I wonder if your friend Alex knew that. One thing's for sure he couldn't live with it. I know I shouldn't talk. You guys knew him. But the thing is, nobody said it was going to be fun. At least nobody said it to me. You get to feel like he wants to say that later.

He wants to say that to Karen. Yeah. Because she's been building these people up to him. And he's like, so these are the fucking jokers that you've been talking about, like the greatest time of your life was with them. And like they all look like losers or that nobody wants to have a conversation with me. Yeah. Well, he watched her zoning out during J.T. Lancer episodes.

if something bad was going on. Does he, though? Does he get it? Does he even really understand what's going on there? Yeah, because I think he pulled out. He's like, yeah, you're staying the weekend. And he's like, fine, cheat on me?

No, but I think he's mad, but he's like, what am I supposed to do, like, make you come home with me when, like, all your friends? What would you do? If my wife was like, I want to stay here with Tom Berringer. Yeah. There's a lot of what would I do in this movie that I would love to unpacked. Yeah, yeah. We'll get it.

That's coming up. The, uh, I do. just wrote that in the next rewatchable scene is J.T. Lancer screening, dinner scene, cleanup, pot smoking. Yeah. Really good stretch. I like when they am making fun of them about J.T. Lancer, because that's like the most

authentic what a friend group would do in this situation. You're just going to, like, bust the person's boss. Yeah, there's still a mystery science theater to, like, the opening credits of that. The meal. Clancer! The what's this incredible? Jesus.

Hanson. Yeah. Jesus. Whoa. See, Daisy. Whoa Look at It's great It's also like

You must have Real fun making The J.T. Lancer credits Oh God It's perfect It feels like it's a real show The two chicks in the bed He was just like

Yeah And Eddie's like what Fucking TV used to be It really was This guy's gonna This is Bedtime with three To Wednesday night

Coming up on ABC I like I like when Glenn Close does the He should be here I feel like we should have had a chair for Alex.

I feel like I was at the best when I was with you people. That's cool. Great stuff. Is this the first extended Glenn Close opportunity you've had on the rewatchables? Failed attraction, right?

Fatal attraction, okay. Garp's going to happen at some point. I was thinking about garb. Garp was... Because that's what she did right before this, right? I'm always worried with some of these that I like the movie more than maybe it's worthy to be on the feed,

but then we do something like Black Hat, and I'm like, you know what? Maybe we can do Garber. It resets the bar. You know what? Black Hat happened. This also has the... You just defined how you can just keep lowering the bar

for this podcast forever. As long as he brings me in to be an accident. Yeah, as long as CR's excited about it. Let's do shot caller. I like when it's getting... When do you want to do that? It's really empty. October?

I do we need to do prison December or something like that. Prison December. Could we do lockup with Slice the loan? Of course. That sounds great. I like when it gets super poignant. and Nick says, I know what Alex would say, what's for dessert and nobody laughs,

but Chloe thinks it's like the funniest thing ever. She's really good. Good music in this, too. Leading to CR's favorite scene when Nick gets Glenn Close's character coked up. Yeah. Well, I just really like Harold being like, remind me to get you more cocaine tomorrow.

Right. So I just wanted to talk through very quickly, Nick removing the cocaine from his car. Yeah. Yeah. Which is definitely something that I did not understand. understand, like, the first five times I watched this in, like, 1994. But now upon reflection, I realized.

So he was transporting. He has drugs in his, like, wheel well. Right. But he had, like, a kilo. I think it's a, yeah, it's a lot. I think he had a bunch of, I had this in, uh, unanswerable questions. We could do it now. I think he had a whole bunch of drugs.

Yeah. That he was driving around with for whatever reason. Was it meant for distribution or was it meant for party time? I think both. I think he does a little bit of both. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

I think it's like this is going to be fun to do a lot of this. He's very reckless with his pills. Truly. I mean, he's just kind of like, well, lost a team of those. Yeah,

and they went down the... Do you have this as Apex Mountain for Kwayludes or no? No, Ludes is Wolf of Wall Street. Okay. Lemon Ludes. The Michigan football game, I just enjoy it.

It's not even that great of a scene, but I just like, this is totally what would happen with all these people. Like, oh my God, the game's on. Like the Alex is just whatever. It's also they're all just like complete

addicts for it. No matter where they come in their life, they're just like yelling about Beauchampekler. Yeah. I'll get back to you in the third quarter too. I love Megan, Michael. The Alex recon with the big argument, which we talked about,

wise up, folks, we're all alone out there. He was classier than that when Nick's basically explaining why he didn't leave the thing. And then Beringer and Hurt just fucking go at it. This is happening because we all really miss him and we're really hurting. I think that's a crock of shit.

I think we're afraid. Just the opposite is true. Alex died for most of us a long time ago. I think you're a crock of shit. Don't speak for me or anybody else here. You hate your life. That's your problem. Don't tell us how we feel, okay?

That's it. That's all I'm saying. If I hate my life, that's my problem. Today's one around to comfort Alex just as compassionately. Hey, Nick. And we go back a long way. And I'm not gonna piss that away because you're higher than a kite. Wrong. A long time ago, we knew each other for a short period.

You don't know anything about me. It was easy back then. No one ever had a cushier birth than we did. It's not surprising our friendship could survive that. It's only out here in the world that it gets tough. Nick. I don't care what you say. I know I loved you and everybody else here. And I'll go on believing it till I kick.

What's wrong with you? What's happened to you? I don't care what you say. I know I loved you and everyone else here. I'll go on believing that until I kick. And then Joe Beth Williams comes in with the, what's the matter with you? What happened to you?

Just good stuff. That scene's just elite. Yeah. Where you had on Joe Beth? You want to do this now? I'd like to know your take. I really like her in this movie. Super pro.

This is a great era for her as well. And I bought stock and everything. And then she was in like teachers. and then it just kind of never totally happened for her. Kramer versus Kramer Poultergeist. Big Chill. Yeah. Good run.

Yeah. Really nice run. But it feels like the next move should have been L.A. Law. Like a network drama. But that would have been like a downgrade for movie stars at that time. Like if you were in poltergeist... Well, I'm saying in retrospect, you bang out those movies and then you hook up with like Stephen Botchko and you become the lead actress in a show. Right.

She never was going to get to Kathleen. Turner, Diane. Yeah, you just get replaced by the next whoever. I like her, too. She's well cast in this. The ending, as I said, I love when Nick hugs Sam.

Oh, Nick hugs. I screwed that up. Nick hugs Sam, not vice versa. And then you can reach Nick here for a while. Yeah. Oh. Nick's going to be in the guest house down. Do you think the ending is a little abrupt?

Definitely is. But I think it's intentional. The ending always bothered me, especially when this was on HBO for 10 straight years. But I think that's the point is that there is no ending. It is really like fuckfest and then breakfast

and they're like the credits roll during breakfast and you're like, do you guys don't want to talk about anything here? Like, well, we now know that there are 10 minutes that have been excised from the end of the movie. I mean, the movie is supposed to end on this reflection on what it all meant. Now it's not there anymore.

So it does feel, it feels a little bit sitcomy. Yeah. You know? It's like we wrap this up with like one one liner. Right. I mean, after you've just recreated the 1984 NBA Finals, Oh, wait, I'm getting my project screwed up. My bad.

What's your most rewatchable scene? It's the opening 20 minutes. I'm saying. I'm going to go to that. You can't always get what you want and hurt it through the great one. I have a new category before we get to what's age the best.

The coaked out Glenn Close award for best use of cocaine. I'm just adding to the rewatchables anytime there's cocaine. Right here, it's for... Is she coaked out when she's crying in the shower? No. No.

It's when she's lying in bed and she's like, off-edgedy. And she's like, you're telling everybody about the stock deal. Yeah, why are you time? And Michael, what's he up to? And she's just... And he keeps rolling over and then she goes to the other side. It's really good cocaine stuff.

I would just be like, you need to go on the roof. Like, I'm not going to be like sleeping next to you while this is happening. Great stuff. I think Glenn Close has ever actually used cocaine? Hmm. That's the 80s. Everyone's a suspect because she was an actress in the 80s. Oh, interesting.

Okay. Well, it's age the best. J.T. Lancer was just fucking brilliant. It's so good. It's a great idea. It's perfect. Yeah. Because it wasn't just Magnum PI back then.

We also had Matt Houston, who was the mega, right? Yeah, Magnum P.I. Rip-off guy. I loved him on Us Weekly. I thought him in the airplane and all that stuff. Do you think that Berringer is the most forgotten major star of the 1980s? Yeah. Because I think for men, yeah. You consider Ryan O'Neill more like 70s, right?

He was in monster movies. I mean, he was the lead of a Ridley Scott movie. He was in Platoon, which was one of the big movies. He's the major league. He's in a major league. Yeah. They're an awesome career. Then he moved into a really nice five o'clocker stage.

Yeah. Sniper. Just making a bunch of action movies. What was he in the substitute? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's up with that?

And then he was in one Nolan movie, right? He's in inception. Right. Yeah. He's been in some stuff in the last 20 years. And, you know, I always said like he looks just like my dad. Like, that's how my dad looks. So it's always weird whenever I see him in a movie.

Someone to watch over me is another one that we'll know we'll scrape in the barrel when we do that one. It's really not good. It's not good, but I really enjoyed it a couple years ago. I love Mimi Rogers. I do too. I really was watching it and I was like, you know what? Last half hours just dies.

It's got our guy from the fugitive though, the one-arm man. Oh, yeah? He's the bad guy. Typecast. I like the Michael, the People magazine, all the People magazine jokes. Yeah. Like what? So how about you, Michael?

Tell us about big time journalism. Hey, yeah. Yeah. Well, where I work, we have only one editorial rule. You can't write anything longer than the average person can read during the average crap. I'm tired of having all my work read in the can. You read Dostoevsky in the can. Yes, but they can't finish it.

This certainly is a familiar scene. Just like the 19 drive-bys on People magazine are really funny. Did that inspire any of the sports guy column thinking? You know, like I got to, what length should this be? Yeah, I was going for longer dumps. I wanted like a nice 15 minute clear it out. Yeah.

I thought that can't believe it, his funeral and she's stoned and then Meg's like, yeah, is wandering into a field. Want to do Meg now? Want to talk about Meg? Sure.

One of the great movie characters of 1980s. Professional women, professional early 80s woman who their clocks ticking this seemed like a character that just started to pop up in the 80s,

that everyone was completely ignored in the 70s, right? Yeah. Kind of peaks with Baby Boom, right? She's good. I have some recasting couch thoughts later. I'm very not with you on this. Okay. I'll make my case later.

I really like Mary Keyplace. And I think it's interesting also not to jump on other categories that Joe Beth and Glenn Close both wanted to play this part. I think they were like this is the best part. It is a really interesting character. Feels real. There are definitely people in the world right now that are like this. And I've always been a big Mary Kate plays fan.

I like her a lot. This is something I don't see a lot of that much anymore, but was a definite thing of, like, the girl who would, like, kind of, like, sidle up next to somebody else's boyfriend and just be, like, we're just friends. But, like, it would be, like, kind of awkward. And she kind of does that a couple of times with this movie.

But I was like... Put his feet on her at one point. Yeah. And she's doing foot rubs. It's like, well, shithing. And she's, like, wearing Sarah's bathrobe. And she's like, this is... is my bathrobe now and it's like oh okay

but then Sarah's like it turns out to be justified in a way because of how this all takes I mean this is also a different we weren't raised with the free love era we were this is a different time I like when Sam says for what's age the best in LA

I don't know who to trust I don't know why they like me even if they do like me and Harold says you don't have the problem here you know I don't like you feel that way about LA no I just like the Kevin Klein Kevin Klein gets off like five really good like dead paying Kevin Klein jokes he's fucking elite incredible What an actor.

I mean, there's reason he became the president. Yeah. I feel like he didn't even have the career he should have had, and he still had one of the best careers. I agree. I don't think he wanted to have a career like that, but he easily could have been, I don't know, there's like all kinds of things he could have done.

He could have been Tom Hanks. I mean, he just didn't, he could have pursued that career. Absolutely could have been Tom Hanks. It's a good call. I would have wanted to be on an island with him trying to figure out how to take my tooth out with ice skates. Richard and Karen's marriage for what's age of best? Should we push the beds together?

Why? Okay, how about further apart? Great stuff. Sarah talking to her kids when she's using the mom voice, Glenn Close. And then she's like, sometimes I don't believe what I hear myself saying. That always resonated me once I had kids. You're like, I've become this different person when I talk to my kids. You're probably doing it now.

I'm going through it. Okay, young lady. You'll go to bed at 9 o'clock or that's it. Don't make me repeat myself as one that I'm starting to use, which is tough. It's tough. What's age the best? Nick's Porsche, 1972, 9-11 Targa?

Yeah. What's up with the paint job on that car? It's like Matt. Or just rust. And then he basically, I love how he parks at the funeral, where he essentially just like kills the engine and then turns on the parking brake,

but parks diagonally. It's almost like that car could not have made it another 10 feet. Crazy car. I just, I don't think that car would be driving. Now? No. You'd really have to, like, you'd have to spend months restoring it.

That was like the end of an error where you'd drive that car now, the whole thing's shaking. I like two quotes, amazing tradition, they throw a great party for you on the one day. They know you can't come. And then I haven't met that many happy people in my life. How do they act? Meg Tully says that. I always thought that was a good one. What else do you have?

Any one's age of best, they are other than the soundtrack? Yeah, a couple. One is the arc of a friend's getaway. weekend is perfectly broken down in this movie where it goes from awkward like ah we're we're all here we all drove over here we made it to awesome and that's the night that you're like let's move here together then something bad happens the last night where it's like uh shit she had too many and now we're fighting you're now in the fourth quarter of this trip and then everybody leaves yeah yeah and it's just like perfectly broken down and that that part of it is very relatable for sure um i also feel like this is well as one of the signature serious comedies of the 1980s. There was this wave of movies in this decade.

Tutsi, Big Chill, lost in America, Pritzis Honor, baby boom, broadcast news. Funny movies, but they're all about this really important stuff in life

and this kind of existential crisis. City slickers even like that. Cities flickers like that, working girl, parenthood, you know, there's a bunch of movies that are like this.

And, boy, we don't have those anymore. Like, we really don't have those anymore. Yeah, like soft-hearted but funny dromedy. Now we have the adults with Michael Sarah.

What's that? It's a new movie that they'll watch that I've seen. Michael Sarah's trying to bring mumblecore back. I had a couple of other things I thought were pretty cool. Pretty pretty what do you got? I got Nick's Hoggnot working. I thought that was always pretty cool. You thought that was cool.

Yeah, it's a good like throw to war injury. Call back to Sunoffer Rises. Yeah. But they don't. make a big deal about Vietnam. It's just like Nick got his nuts blown off over there. If you don't pay attention, you kind of miss it. Yeah. Yeah. And also

just the Nick character being Alex's ghost. And like basically being like the things that Alex kind of believed in and Chloe obviously recognizing that and be like you're just like him. And I really like this idea that he's sort of moving through the house. And while they're all talking about

Alex, you like you didn't fucking know Alex. They do a good job of not playing the Alex card too much. anytime it's played, it's perfect. One more would stage the best for me is they use the great Santini house. Oh, yeah. That's one of those.

Tom Berringer liked it so much you got married there. Here Chris is moving back to the Carolinas. He bought the Santini house. You're Chris moving to Singapore. He bought the Black Hat house. I also really like one of the things they aged the best.

It's not a rewatchable scene level, but Nick and Sam just watching TV together is great. I wish there were more scenes of just guys watching TV. You're so analytical. What's going on? I don't know.

Who's that? I'm not sure. Those three guys are so good together. Like, you could have... I mean, this easily could have been an eight episode something. Why do you got to say that? Why do you got to say that?

No, I'm just saying, I would have wanted to spend more time with them. Even when they're in that running scene, when it's the three of them are like, I can do this for 20 more minutes. Is it the four handsomest guys ever in a set of roles? like that.

Yeah, and Goldblum's supposedly the skeevy one. When you look at like guys that age now is like Chris Evans and it's like when you look at William Hurt and you're like he's Chris Evans' age.

Yeah, it's crazy. Right. Yeah, he seems like a man. But William Hurt, Beringer, Klein, Goldblum is the dork and he's like 6'8.

Yeah. And Kevin Costner. Supposed to be Kevin Costner. Oh my God. Goldblum's also the best route runner of all of them. That's a good point. It's a good point.

He's got great hands too. Big Kahuna Burger, best use of food and drink. The use of coffee in this movie is elite. The coffee pot, people go in the way they just, all of it. It's just early great coffee.

Dennythes Benihana Award seems to deal in location. It's got to be the House. The Great Shot Gordor Award has to be the... You gotta stop here for us. Has to be constant, right? Sean and I just do something real quick

with Great Shot Gordo. Yeah. So John Bailey, who shot this movie, is an incredibly, you know, talented, legendary cinematographer, and he gave this really great interview where he talked about, like,

you know, Kazin largely, like, turned over some of the filmmaking stuff to him. And so they, and this is a movie that's basically, like, a 90-minute drama. And they're referencing the Japanese filmmaker Ozu in, like, some of the shots that they do. So when you see, like, three shots of objects that all

tell you something about characters, it's like this thing called a triad, right? I think I'm getting this right. I'm not the biggest Ozu expert. But it's really awesome. Like the level of care that they put into it. And another one is like they were shooting the field outside the church where they see all the rows of like farmland. And he's like, oh my God, this matches perfectly with the stitches on Alex's wrist.

So if you see the dissolve from Alex's wrist, it goes perfectly into this field. Jesus. Yeah. It's just like shit like that. It's like you don't have to make it that good. But when you do, it's why it comes around, you know, everything. every 40 years. I think also when you see

the main people who worked on actually making the movie, it's not dissimilar from the people who are on screen. So the editor of the movie is Carol Littleton, who edited E.T.

And of course, Kazden was helped along by Spielberg in many ways. Carol Littleton is married to John Bailey, the cinematographer. So the editor and the cinematographer

of the film are married, so they are able to talk when they're not working together about how to work on this movie to make it work. So when you watch a movie like this, which basically just takes place in a house. But if you look at how the camera's moving,

like very subtle zooms, panning very purposefully around. Like, it seems perfunctory, but if you pay close attention, it's really purposeful. And you just kind of have a lot of people that trust each other to make something good like this. That's something that I think really is underrated about it.

Yeah, they do a great job with space and people in the shot. You always know who's where. Yeah. You have those dialogue scenes where you've got seven people, but it always feels like everything's connected. Yeah. I also just love like when they're doing those insert shots

of like what people bring with them on trips, like six pairs of jockey shorts and rubbers. Well, he does, I mean, he made a whole movie about this cast and the accidental tourist is like an entire movie of insert shots and what do people carry with them when they go on trips. Let's take a break and then we'll do Butch's girlfriend. Want your kids to learn and play every Sunday for free?

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Find two good creamers at your local retailer in the creamer aisle. All right, the Butch's girlfriend Award Weeklink of the film. Karen going back to Richard at the end never sat right to me like fucking J.T. Lancer is just going at it with her in the field. Next day she wakes up. She's like,

can't wait to take the boys and Richard to come see a taping. That's going to be so much fun. And it's like, what's going on here? Do you think that she doesn't stay with, she doesn't like say, okay, I'm going to leave Richard for J.T.

Lancer is because of the conversation she has with Sarah about her Alex affair. and she's like somehow like consummating this relationship with this guy only made it so that we were no longer friends and I was in like a hole with my husband basically. Yeah. So even though she does it, she's like, I'm not going to leave my life for this guy and then have that not work out and then lose my family in the process. Yeah, I think I think that definitely informs it. But it's also like this is something that you see married women just want to like have an adventure and feel like they can still be that person if they want to be but are not really willing to give up all the other things that they've built their life towards. It makes sense to me as a character choice.

I mean, you know, she got the lance from Lancer. Like, she got it. It's all good. She can cross the love of the list. Yeah. You Lance-T. fucking Lancer. Yeah. He rolled over. He was like two thumbs up, baby.

I never loved it. This week on Lancer. J.T. takes down a housewife. Takes down. And takes down a cartel. ABC 830. What's age the worst? Glenn Close's haircut in this movie

It's just an absolute affront hairstiles. It's just awful. Chris Everett had the same haircut in Wimbledon read around this time and I can't explain it. I don't know why this became a haircut that women were getting.

I know it's gone now. It'll never come back. Would you rather have the Kevin Costner scene or have somebody digitally insert better hairstyles on these people? Berringer's hair is incredible. Barringer's great. Barringer's whole look is phenomenal.

Mary Kay places his hair, and I can't say it's awesome either. I can't believe I didn't realize this was going to become the Lancer pod. It's your favorite episode of Lancer. If I texted you one night, I was like, I found Casson and put 25 minutes of J.T. Lancer footage.

That's as soon as if it was Tarantino, it would have been like, I've written two scenes of J.T. Lanser. We filmed the pilot. What's age the worst? I'm opening a club like Elaine. but hipper. I think Alleynes is still around, right?

I think it's closed now, but that's something that people were saying about Elanes for 40 years. Elanes is dead now. What's age the worst? Return of the Ska, 7. Just kind of hanging over this movie a little bit. It's a way to ding this movie.

Who knows? The Big Show was adapted for television as the short-lived series hometown? I haven't seen it. Didn't know about this. It was like a 16-episode run in like 1980s. You recapt it on Prestige, though.

How was it? It was good. Really found its voice. Any of their what's aged? Yeah. I just think that we've probably medically moved past the idea of treating insomnia with a giant cold cut sandwich in the middle of the night. I'm sitting with two guys.

I haven't seen eat solid food during the daytime in like five years. So the idea of you guys take it down turkey sandwiches at 3.30 in the morning also. I would have been like, do you guys have some almonds? Richard being like sometimes I like to just sit downstairs quietly while my family sleeps is like you're the BTK killer Like You know what I mean Get on fucking Twitter or something do something with yourself That's Fincher's movie is Richard just be just becomes

The guy in Long Island I love I love smoking but like I Meg smokes literally more than Carl Bernstein She smokes fucking everywhere They're like folding clean laundry and she's like I can't believe I can't keep a guy. She's fucking nicotine everywhere. Hard to believe she couldn't hold one down. Was there a better title for this movie?

No. It's a brilliant title. I love hearing him talk about why he titled it that. He said the experience of cold adult reality after leaving the warm embrace of true friendship during college. This is why you're rich, Lawrence. So cool. He's so smart.

the Kid Cutty Pursuit Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop goes to the Rolling Stone song but there's also five other songs I'm gonna go with the wait Yeah I had that as a runner-up Bad Moon Rising is good too I like Bad Moon Rising is good

Well I mean I feel like ain't too proud to beg And doing the dishes and cleaning up is the most memorable one right? I just really like when Meg's It's got to be the stone's shattered and she's sitting at the diner and table smoking and like the shoe boxes are there and the weights playing Yeah I like that one too

next cut and like some boxes are gone and some are in different spots. That's such a great song. And Karen's nagging her about whether she bangs Sam. Right, right. Well, you make me feel like a natural woman is a pretty big one too. Yeah. Are we ready to talk about that? Not yet. Okay. The weight is one of those. A lot of the 60s songs,

early 70s songs, have an age that great. Or they just feel kind of confined to that. That song, I feel like, is still really banging. What's the song that has an age that great? Like, I shot the sheriff? Yeah, that's a weird thing. That was your anthem. I know there's some...

The Stones catalog has some ones that I always felt like in the 80s. Like, that song's amazing and now it's... Like, what? Like brown sugar?

No, brown sugar. That's one that's like, yeah. Yeah. Also one of your faves, though. Only for the lyrical content. Here's where we can do the sex scene. The Marlory Rubin Award

did this movie need a better sex scene. I think I'm good with Kevin Kline just gently rocking in the missionary position and his wife's best friend. I don't know if I need it. I don't know. I needed the cum shot at the end there. Okay, go to your head. Do you want the Costner scene?

I can't even if you, like, made us wait and wait and wait to address that scene, and then you just blew it all, literally. She's also, like, dressed like she's in the Handmaid's Tale. Like, she's got, like, the full nightgown on. She's like a grandmother. Yeah. She's like, he's like, can you least brush your teeth? You smoked 136 cigarettes.

today. You're not even going to explain what, like, so a lot of people listen to these pods, and they've never seen the movie. Really? They listen to the pod without knowing the movie? I know that for a fact. And what happens in this movie might be the most interesting thing to talk about with your friends and spouse that's ever happened in a movie.

I already, yes, I did that. Of course you did. I brought out the list. So should we have talked about it sooner? Let's explain it. I was going to put it in what's age the worst, I guess. I had it for picking nits But

It's a pretty big nitpick All right So what happens is Kevin Klein's character has an affair Meg has shown up She's like I want to have a baby My biological clock is ticking I'm ovulating this weekend

And she goes through the whole house of guys Being like will you impregnate me Yeah She starts with Nick His stuff don't work Then she goes to Sam He declines JT Lans

Like, only if it could be a threesome. Then she considers Michael, and then she thinks better of it. And at least one guy left, and that's the guy who owns the house. But she never asks Harold, and Sarah offers up her husband. But she offers them up because she had an affair with Alex. That was my Stephen A. Smith. It's just that that whole thing is just like her guilt. Oh, for sure.

I don't even think that's a hot take. What's a Stephen A. Smith? The hot take? What's your hot take on it? Just that, like, that's loser behavior. It's just like, you're the one who cheated. Don't make him go now be a smart. sperm donor and like that that's that's going to make everything awkward just because you're i think she

was thinking kind of a now or even thing yeah yeah i think so i don't think that's a hot take though but you think it's like she like seduces him into doing it and i still feel like she wins though because she had sex with kevin coster and he's having sex with meg the chain smoker like it's still it's still a loss yeah that's fair so it's the ultimate like put yourself in their shoes Yeah, I mean, I think that... No, it's insane. IVF had gotten to the point and, like, you know, they've made advances where it's like,

that shouldn't probably need to happen, right? Okay. I don't know. I don't have kids. So maybe you tell me. But I think it's part of the point is these people were so close and this was the era and there's a generosity and a free love. My mom is like all in on it.

She was like, totally makes sense. I could see it. Like, cool. So that's the, that is the S-A-S. That's the take is this was actually a good move. Because Harold, good guy. Yeah. Successful man.

Faithful husband. Good jeans. Good jeans. He's down. He's down to participate. He's wearing like full pajamas before it happens. Like, I think he's a little nervous. Do you think he didn't enjoy it?

He's like, this bed's always been lucky for Sarah and I. That's weird. That was weird. And she's wearing her mom's grandmother's bathroom. Mom's grandmother's bathroom. I do, I think Kevin Klein is elite, but what do we think about his South Carolina accent? It goes on. that and picking his.

I say, this has been a good bid for me and Sarah. It comes and goes. It's not, it's not awesome. Little weird. Not awesome. It's one of the greatest scenes

in movie history because it's so weird. When it's happening, you're like, what? Like when she goes in the room wearing the robe, the first time I thought, I was like,

there, what? Is this? I couldn't wrap my head around. He's just like, this is the cradle of life here, this little twin bed that we've got. This is the fucking, the most fertile ground in South Carolina.

Saturn Night Live, I tried to find it. They did a great sketch when they had, I think Kevin Klein, either Kevin Klein was the host or Glenn Close was the host, where they do this, and they're just going at it in the bedroom, and it's just going on and on, the room shaking, and Glenn Close's character is getting madder and madder that it's going nuts,

and finally she turns into fatal attraction. Right. Oh, that's good, that's really, that's clever. It's a good five-minute sketch. Glenn Close's faces in this movie as her husband is railing her best friend in her bathroom when she's like, that's right, we did it. Yeah.

And she's just like, and then afterwards, the next day she goes and sees her in the bedroom and Mary Kay Place is rolling over with this, I was ovulating and Glenn Close is just smiling with this creepy, crazy smile. Okay, is it better or is it better if it worked and she got pregnant or is it better if it didn't work in Sarah's mind.

Because what you ideally if you're her, what you want. Yeah, because she's pretty skeptical. She's like, well, it doesn't always take the first time. Right. Yeah. But so if it doesn't work, then you don't have to deal with your husband having a baby out there with your best friend. Yeah. Which was Lancer's whole problem.

He's like, I don't want a bunch of little JTs running around. Right, right. But I think the first time they get in a fight, Glenn Close and Kevin Quinn. Comes up immediately. But you go fuck your whore! Yeah. And then that's it. I'll give her the bathroom. You're fucking asshole. Were you quoting Connie from the godfather there?

I did. I kind of hit there a little Connie Curley-old. Bafung cool, you. It's a bad shit crazy scene. Where did Liz land on this? She didn't watch the movie and we were in the car and I posed the question to her independent of anything, just like in a vacuum

just to see what she felt, you know, without context. And she was like, what kind of messed up question is that? Obviously not. And I was like, it's the plot of the movie. Yeah, it really is. She's right. Yeah. It was a little messed up.

For a movie, works great, though. Yeah. My hottest take was, Sean, you're going to hate this. Oh, no. Why not a sequel instead of doing Grand Canyon? Let's bring them back for the 25th college. There's so much meat on the bone. I'm not a sequel guy normally, but I think this was so sequela.

I think what happens is Meg's son comes for his piece of running dog shoes. Of running dog? And it's like Pacific Heights. like, I'm living, you know. Oh, so you're saying that he's grown up now. Yeah. Oh, I like this. The sperm donation from hell, you know?

And he comes back and he's like, oh, this is good. It's like that John Chivalta Vince Vaughan movie. And by this point, Kevin Klein can be like in his 60s and be like, oh, dude, Claire. That freeful night that I'm pregnant. Yeah, his absence is a strong sermon through and through, yeah. That's really good. I would have been fine with a 25th college reunion in it at, at, at,

Michigan. Yeah. Would have been great, too. Instead of Grand Canyon, I would have rather have a sequel. It would have been nice to get their takes on the Harbaugh Harbaugh years, you know? Right. Or even, I would have...

Or Glenn Rice, how close they came? The fucking Fab Five? Yeah, Fab Five. Oh, my God. Some Jalen Rose hot tapes. Oh, yeah, they would have had Fab Five, and they would have had grandmamma and Larry Johnson, you know, in the Hornets. You know, they would have had a lot to look back on that they would have enjoyed.

Harold's bastard kid is wearing the long baggy Jaylon Roe shorts. That's right. He sends him as a Christmas seat. Juan Howard understands me. I'm going to go listen to Biggie. Meg's dad of lung cancer is at 42. This orphan child. But Harold won't take care of him.

Cass, you didn't have a had a stake, did you? I already burned it, which is that the first five years of Kazdin's career is the greatest screenwriting run in movie history. It's Empire Strikes Back. Yeah. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Body heat. he sells continental divide to Steven Spielberg

which becomes not a very good movie but apparently was a good script Return of the Jedi and the Big Chill that's a four year period and he wrote so it's John Hughes versus him in the finals and Kasden wins just from a pure screenwriting perspective I mean he wrote Indiana

He were Raiders of the Lost Art A better hot take would have been did Lawrence Cassden create pop culture It kind of feels that way doesn't it You know? Coming up next casting what ifs. Cazden wrote the role of Nick for William Hurt

because they were working a movie and that was the only one he wrote the part for. Everyone else was kind of up in the air. As you mentioned, Joe Both Williams going close to play Meg. I thought this was interesting. Kevin Klein met Phoebe Kates because she auditioned

for Chloe and then it went to Meg Tilly, but they ended up hitting it off and that was that. The Phoebe Kates Meg Tilly thing kind of got my head spinning a little? Mm-hmm. Phoebe Kate's like almost probably too iconic in 1984. Like an otherworldliness though in this movie that I think really works.

I think she works better. I think Phoebe Kates is like too famous almost. Kazin says ethereal is what he liked about her. Yeah, she had an ethereal quality. Yeah, Phoebe Kates is at that time too just like classically hot. Yeah. You know? It doesn't work.

Was it Meg Tillier or Jennifer Tilly who became the poker player? Jennifer Tilly, her sister. Kevin Klein wanted Goldblum's part because he thought it was a funnier role, but they pushed them to the other part. And then his, Jeff Goldboom's first wife is the girlfriend in the beginning credits who he then broke up with

and ended up with Gina Davis. Who won an Oscar in a Lawrence Cazden movie? I don't have an overacting award. There's one more casting what if that's just a rumor, which is Sean Penn for Alex. Yeah. I didn't believe that one. He would have been a little young at that time.

Yeah, I thought he was too young. Fact checked. Sorry. No, that's why I didn't list it. Because he was like 25. Like, I just thought he's... Definitely younger than Costner, right? Overacting award. Nobody in the movie

except for the preacher pastor. Where did Alex's hope? He's really gunning for it. He's like, I didn't know this guy, but I have to talk for five minutes. Best that guy award, Richard. Yeah, Don Galloway. Don Galloway.

Did you ever used to watch Ironside, the show he was on? Of course. And apparently he was like a big libertarian, which makes it kind of funny. that he's in this movie as this guy to imagine like what his like political kind of Did you host him on your libertarian pop?

Yeah. He talked about his experiences? Hands off. In the party. A podcast with Chris Ryan. Ends off. Over my dead body. Yeah. Hosted by CR. Dionne Waiters, the preacher probably.

No, it's Kossner, man. Yeah. Come on. They don't even see his face. I know, but look, we spent 20 minutes talking about him. Do we know that the, are those definitely his wrists in the inserts? That's a great question. We don't know.

So you don't think that he, qualifies because he's not actually in the movie. I think it's probably the preacher. I like the cost or, it's an interesting call. What about the cop? Oh, the cop. Oh, yeah. Recasting couch. Just walk this through with me as a thought exercise.

The cop is Mary Kaye Place's brother, by the way, in real life. We put Glenn Clay's, we give her the Mary Kay Place part. Okay. Merrill Streep's in the Glenn Close part. Mm-hmm. I feel like Glenn Close and Merrill Streep can't be in a movie together or the world would That's what I like about it.

It's just one of those things. C.R.'s like sending emails. No, I'm not. I was just adjusting something. Oh. He's doing some script writing. Jesus. I was preparing for his big moment. Meryl Streep in the Glenclose part. Glenn Close playing Mary Kaye plays this part.

I actually think that's a wonderful idea, and I'm not just saying that because you caught me typing. I think Merrill Streep in this movie as Harold's wife, I think it's a better movie. And you just want Mary Kaye Place to die in a dish? No, I think Glenn Close would have been an amazing Meg. I think she's a better actress to Mary Kay Place.

I love Mary Kay Place, but Glenn Close is a better actress. I'm just trying to load the... What was Merrill Streep in at this point? She's famous at this point. Yeah, she's in the Sophie's Chet. She's gone to hear on her. Yeah.

Sophie's choice. That's pretty cool. It's a good idea. Half a Saturday research. So the Santini house that Chris is going to buy. It's in Bufort, South Carolina. Cazden loved the great Santini so much. He decided I'm just running

back the house. This is one of my favorite half-fasterner research in a while. So they did one-hour documentary, the big chiller reunion. That's actually pretty bad. But there was a supernatural event in the house where they were filming the movie and a sound technician recorded the sound of a ghost and got freaked out and everybody and it turned in a whole thing. So I thought that house might be haunting.

Yeah. So maybe you should buy it. It sounds great. I'm already dealing with ghosts. How's that going? interesting. You had some developments? Yeah.

Yeah. You're, you, I mean, Chris and I, we, we, we experienced it. We were, we were in the space. I don't know why you're like trying to get past it. Like, we can talk about it. He doesn't want to, he doesn't like them to be addressed. You think they're listeners? You don't think they unsubscribe after Black Hat?

You know what? Bill's just not making the show for me anymore. I'll just stick to haunting him. You just, you don't, you don't, want to say anything. You're really weird right now. Knocked on Ben's door two weeks ago. Yeah.

No, it really did. Ben told you this? Yeah. Okay. He's like, what did you want? I was like nothing. He's like, someone knocked on my door. What just happened?

He's like freaked out. I was downstairs. The Michigan football scenes are from a 1980 game between Michigan and Michigan State that Michigan won 2723. I miss guys wearing shoulder pads. that look like their knights of armor, like suits of armor. Yeah.

Like there's like the Ernest Biner, like shoulder pads. Yeah. There's a whole bunch of stuff about how this film, nobody wanted to make it, even though cast in was, as Sean points out,

scorching hot at the time. But he said, uh, none of the studios got it. It's the only movie I've ever gone around and pitched. We pitched it literally 17 times. And, uh,

the guy who was running Carson's, company said, if I can't get this picture made, I shouldn't be in the movie business because this is what a screenplay is supposed to be. Yeah, that woman, Martian Asateur, a very famous woman in Hollywood history.

First real, like, powerful studio executive. Yeah, it was a woman in Hollywood. Joe Beth Williams said, for the Costner scene, they rented a big house in Atlanta and installed bead curtains, rock posters, incense, and 1968 Life Magazines.

And that in the scene, her character was living with William Hertz's character and ignoring Tom Berringer and that Alex, looked like a scruffy James Dean. And she just said it just didn't work. And then this was EW's 15-year anniversary review in 1998. Blame the Big Chill.

Blame it for the unstoppable plague of soundtrack albums. For chatty rip-offs like 30-something. For giving the baby boomers one more reason to act smug and self-obsessed. Hell, blame the big chill for Bill Clinton. Watch the movie today and they'll detect a trace of slick Willie and Yuppie princes like Kevin Kline's track shoe

tycoon and Tom Barringer's sellout TV star who wrote that like Noam Chomsky or something I don't know I was fucking

shit that created Gawker Yeah well that's sort of what I'm talking about Like when I was growing up I was worn

That's exactly what I meant Yeah when you hear them I can see Like when Mary Kay plays like I thought I was going to be defending Huey and Bobby Yeah

and their scumbags You know It's like All right white savior stuff But you guys agree though That like Casden knew all this at the time.

It's a very self-conscious attempt to reckon with that. I completely agree with that. He's created seven characters and you're not supposed to agree with them or like with everything. Apex Mountain, no for close, no for Kevin Kline.

Meg Tilly, it's probably the Rob Loeb movie. Masquerade. I felt like she was like a major star after that for like a year. That's her Apex Mountain? I don't know. What is it then?

She never really had like, it's either this or masquerade. I think it's this because I've never heard of a Psycho 2. Oh, you're right. It's this because it's this and Psycho 2. Good call. It was the same year.

This is definitely a Marriquet Place, right? Yeah. Berenger's. Probably Platoon, right? Yeah, platoon. What did we have for William Hurd? We already did William Hurd. Probably winning an Oscar, right?

Did we say broadcast news? Yeah, broadcast news. Joe Beth Williams, I'm going to say yes. Poltergeist, right before this. You said Poltergeist? I mean, she did Paltegice right before this. So if you want to say like 81 to 83, it's, or whatever it is. Santini House?

Would you say this or Santini? Probably the Santini. How about the portion of 1972 and 9-11 Target? Anybody else ever own that? Like, do we have any incredible? I don't know. I should have researched that better. How about sleeping with your wife's friend because she is ovulated that weekend?

It's at Apex Mountain. C.R. Nobody ever asks me, you know? You never got the request. Yeah. If you got a fan letter from one of your boys, it was like, I want you to impregnate my wife, would you do it? I think Phoebe would stab me in the heart for asking. You would check in with Phoebe first.

You'd be like, I got this letter. I'm interested. Yeah, the whole point is that the wife is pimping it out. See, I was like, Phoebe, I got to do it. Ladies' husband, his hog is broken. I have this as Apex Matt for you saying somebody's hog is broken

Seahor's broken A big A good spinoff show for you I'm stealing hog because John Fetterman was like I guess if I got my hog cranked it would be okay

but like I was like that's my senator What about How about Cazden? That's a good question I'm gonna say yes I think it is

coming off all the Star Wars And he's like Who had more power than that dude He's directing this too Yeah What about backyard football? This or Wedding Crashers? You know, I should have had a whole touch football list.

It's weird to watch football from like the early 80s because it's just so different now. Can we do? Let's do this now. I'm going to do this for picking nits. But these touch football scenes, I've never been satisfied really with any of them. Where it's always like 2V2 and somebody's hiking it. And then nobody's calling five Mississippi ever in. any of the games and there's like just a blitz

and people heaving it up and the yard's always too small and they just never get it right. This is why we need the sports consultants. I'm right here. There's no route tree that people are following. There's no hot routes, you know? Also, who plays 2-1-2 football?

Like, nobody does that. There's all these other people too. It's like, I want to see Lancer fucking sling it. Yeah, where's Lancer? I love doing this show with you guys. You're so weird. What are you guys talking about? You're talking about making a better two-on-two football scene?

Is Lanzer like a checkdown artist? Or does he go deep? He's take shots. I'm sitting here with Kyle Shandhan and Jeff Fisher, unfortunately. Zing glue gold loose to the stick, you know? The heart wants with the heart wants that I've never been satisfied with the movie touch football scene. Okay. You can ask the letterbox community with what they're feeling said.

I'll call them up. I'll see what they say. Maybe there's a touch football, like, list thing. Would you please actually? I'm sure there is. Well, you make a post that's like an urgent letter, urgent message to my letterbox. It's not a blog, guys.

You can't just like put a post up. You can't put a post up that's like, please tell me what the greatest thing. Put a post up where? In a review of the big chill, dear sirs or madam, please tell me the best touch football scene. People probably would,

they would respond. I've just never been happy with any of them. Not with this one. That was when I knew I was going to marry my wife, by the way, when she was dusting one of my, college roommates in a touch football game. I was like...

Wow. Was it 7V7? No, it was like 3V3. Oh, okay. And you're doing like one Mississippi? Yeah. Yeah, no zero blitz. Was it RPO's or like, play action?

Like, what were you guys doing? She did a stop and go. Oh, my God. Well, Mike Quick action. Yeah. Some juke action. Now my son's playing both ways in high school. Yeah, she hit the stick in Madden.

Nice. Best racehorse name, Running Dog? I think J.T. Lanser is pretty. good for... Oh, J.T. Lancer's great. Good call, CR.

Pick a Nitz. J.T. Lancer's thumbs. So, how many rooms did... How many bedrooms did Harold's house have? I think... How big was that house?

How does the backhouse work? The backhouse that Alex was in? That's where Nick is. Right? In the movie, is Nick in that house? I think it's below the house. I think it's like a... That's where Alex live below the house? Yeah.

There's the master bedroom. Joe Beth Williams gets her own. room. Mary Kay Place has her own room. J.T. Lancer is rooming with Nick. Nick. In the attic.

And then Goldblum's in the kids' rooms. That's five bedrooms plus the other room. Oh, so I guess the attic is the other room. And they have this property like half an hour or whatever away. Okay. What do you think of that property that Alex is working on? Good bones? Yeah, I was into it. The Santini House is unbelievable.

That's like one of the great movie houses we've ever had. Is it a plantation house? What do you mean? It's in Beaufort, South Carolina. I didn't do that. That didn't come up in my research. I'm just saying it's a great movie location now. Are you trying to cancel Harold?

Well, I don't know, you know. Maybe Santini used to be canceled, you know? He was not a good guy. He was a tough guy. I didn't research the house. Maybe I should have. It was really nice. Did you buy it?

No. More picket nits. Okay, we mentioned Kevin Kline's accent. I'm confused how Harold's company had stock. I thought that was weird. Yeah, it's like a publicly traded. It's a small publicly traded running company in South Carolina. It's a good point.

I think it's throughout the South. It's like, Nick, I'll get you, I'll get you some stock. Yeah. It's like, are trading on the NASDAQ? Were you there for the Monday bell for running dog? It's interesting. It's also like he obviously is compulsively telling everybody about this as, as coked out Sarah tells him.

you're going to ruin this whole thing. Well, that's the other thing. That actually is the sequel, is Harold's in prison for SEC violations. Also, like, I'm committing a violation. I could go to jail by telling somebody this. So I'm going to share this information with my drug dealer friend Nick,

who's just a complete fuck-up. And Nick's like, I have a key in my wheel well. I don't need your fucking running dog stock. Just give me a wrench in a car and I'm good. I'm the Medellin cartels of East Coast provider. I had a lot of questions about that. And then obviously... Would you insider trade if your boy started a sneaker company?

I mean, we went through it. We did? With the ringer. You were insider trading? No, we couldn't tell anybody. We were completely terrified. We were afraid to even mention it to our wives. I still haven't told her.

She figured something's different. Any other picketts? I don't think that Nick would be as chill about a bat flying through his window after three lines of cocaine as he is in this movie he's just kind of like oh wow that's here you know I'd be so much more scared at bats

they're fucking flying rats with rabies We've seen the second half of Goodfellas I think like Henry Hill would be like oh a bat you know And then Harold was the only bat that we had Harold really Karen! You left the window open!

Did I tell you I watched Flying to Boston last week? AMC on Direc on Direc they had Goodfellows and I watched Goodfellows on AMC. They're doing this new thing now with the bleeps where they just make them silent.

They don't bleep them. It's like end zone celebrations now. It's great. Yeah. But I was watched, I think of that, I think a CR now with that scene. What are you made you?

Push it down the toilet! It's $60,000. You own that scene now. You really do. It's your scene. Leota passed on. Liotta's gone to you. And now it's CR. I'll go tell Marty that at the Killers of the Flower Moon premiere.

What are their nitpicks? Well, the only other thing was just like, Harold really bombs that eulogy. And then he, like, totally pulls it together afterwards. There's no like, hey, man, you really, like, fell apart up there. It's just like, hey, you guys want to come back to my house? It's a really good point. Having seen what happened to Cure and Colkin's character in succession, you know? They really, they didn't let him,

forget that one. Also, is that the guy you want given the eulogy? You know, when Alex balked my wife? Great point. It was tough for all of us. I have a nitpick. Yeah. If something like this happened, would you really let Meg Tilly's character hang around you and all your friends?

Wouldn't you be like, get the fuck out of here? No. Because it's, they're like, it's all good. It's the late 60s vibe of like property is theft. But she's like such an airhead and weird hang. Yeah. Well, when you watch the movie, you're kind of like, get the fuck out of here,

I want to see all these people interact, but at this point now, I'm like, this is kind of makes sense that this outsider is here observing these people and being like... I think you need her because, like, she makes that comment

at one point about how you guys, I don't think about the past like you guys do. And it's also she's supposed to be a younger person who's like, I don't look at the world the same way you guys do.

I'm doing yoga. Yeah. It's like, whoa, cutting edge yoga, 1983. She's doing like some Fonda exercises. right? Yeah, she is.

It's just kind of a device feels like to draw a contrast. I'm fine if she's not in any of those scenes. It's nice than Nick. A little more Lancer. You would have kicked her out in real life. She just found her boyfriend dead in the bathroom. That's how heartless fantasy is.

I wouldn't if she wasn't so weird about it, but she's like, yeah, tough beat. Like she's completely dead-eyed about the whole thing. Yeah, I wish I could ride up front in the front limo. If she was like devastated, of course, you wouldn't be like get away from me and my friends. but if she was being weird, I'd be like,

can you just like go hang out down there? Yeah. Maybe, but she's a freeloader. Chloe? I'm with you, Sean. Thanks, Bill. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV,

all black cast are untouchable. I think it's all five. It's unbelievable. I would watch all the versions of this. I would watch like a prestige TV version of Nick and Nam. You know? With an all black cast. He's like white American gangster

bringing drugs back from Vietnam. The black chill, like they made them. the black shell. Like, isn't the wood like the black chill? Like, they've done this. They've tried a few times. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Frank Vincent, new edition, Catherine Hahn, Steve Bouchemis, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh, or Philip Baker Hall. I was thinking about Wayne has Sarah.

God damn, man, and the staple singer's rendition of the way. I hope you're serious about parenthood because I'm sending you my husband with a motherfucking brick of genetic code. you're about to be a parent alone fuck that's what I was tweaking that was great that was what your workshop

yeah we're about to be a parent in a long phone who's the juice you still got it you still got it great job when it's the three of us

I really try to bring it yeah just one Oscar who gets it uh Kastin yeah Kaston for what screenwriting

Yeah, it's crazy He didn't win for original screenplay With that Eric Was it Terms of Endearment that won? Yeah No, that was adapted screenplay I think... Oh right, that's McMurtry

There's one One original I can't remember Horton Foot for Tender Mercies Oh, that's a good movie Come on You don't like that movie? No, Big Chale should have won

Okay Probably in answerable questions Did Meg get pregnant I guess we litigated that Uh We'll never know They never had a sequel why was the Rutledge scholarship such a big deal?

What do you think it was? Probably like it was like sponsored by like some corporation that Alex didn't agree with or something. It felt kind of like the Rhodes Scholar thing. Like a Rhodes Scholarship? So there's a lot of reading between the lines which I actually like. So he turns that down and goes to Vietnam and gets fucked up in Vietnam? I don't think Alex goes to Vietnam. I don't think he drops out of school and then just like kicks around the country for a while.

I think Nick's the only one of them went to Namme. I think he's a little more of just a drifter. But we don't know that he didn't go to nom. We don't. They don't, but you would have

thought that they would have said that in his eugeny. So what happened to Alex then? That's what the movie is about. No, but even from the Rutledge Fellowship, he turns it down. I think that there's just like, there are a bunch of people

who are living on the edge slash in the counterculture and they're like rejecting what society wants from them. Then most of them are like, eh, fuck it. I'll go, I'll go make money. I'll go start a family.

I'll go be a lawyer. I'll go be an actor. And Alex and Nick gets stuck. And they're just like, I can't go be part of society now. I always took it as Alex was also in Vietnam and got messed up there. I never thought of that. It's possible. I was just thought he was clinically depressed.

Well, he bounced back in American Flyers. Bull fucking Durham. Any other in answerable questions? Yeah, would you guys invest in my club? I was wondering about this with Michael. You've been doing this for years. Well, you just shit or. get off the pot. I think as a bar, I've already

got you guys down, right? As investors? Yeah. I'm out. But if, what if I was like, I'm opening a club? Like, nice guy. I think club is just one in 50 chance it works. Yeah, okay. Especially if Michael was running it skimming off the top. Could you imagine Chris as like

what's the character's name from Boogie Nights? Oh, Louise? Just trying to just trying to sidle up to every young woman. I won't open a bar, regular bar. Can I ask you guys a question?

Yeah. So you're officially Gen X, right? By birth? I don't know. We don't count Chris. Yeah, I think I might be too young. 77? What is that?

Gen X is like you had to be either in college or right out of college in the early 90s. Yeah, I'm not until 95. So then what are you? I think it's why, isn't it? No. Well, millennial would be next, but you're not a millennial. Millennials in 1980. Literally, isn't there January, during March and Y?

How many years is that? Like four years? I don't know. Chris's generation just drafted off our fumes. It says Gen X is 65 to 79. I'm almost certain. I guess I'm late X. Okay, yeah.

I think I always thought you were X. So as two Xers. Yeah. He's always mad about having to share it with me. That's fine. Why are you mad about that? I'll share with Chris. You and CR, you guys are boys.

I'll share it with them. Your brothers. Wasn't not an official Gen XX. Do you feel closer to boomers or to millennials? Oh, boomers. Boomers, unquestionably. You both say boomers. Some millennials?

Yeah, I think so. I'm a millennial. I like you. I set myself up for that one. Okay, good to know. That explains a lot. Does it? Yeah.

Well, that's why you host a libertarian pod. Hands on. Put me and Karen's wife. How long did J.T. Lancer last on the air and what was, what was, uh... Oh, my God. What was Sam's next 10 years looking like on IMDB? I have thoughts. Four seasons. So like late...

First two seasons is a top ten show. Makes it to like 1987, 88 range. And then canceled. Canceled. Takes a year off. And then he's in a legal drama. And he's a lawyer. Oh, so he's in LA law. Yeah.

Alternate idea. Does Lancer for a couple years, it's successful. He leaves the show because he's like time to test myself on the big screen. Oh. Plays like a deaf country singer. Goes poorly. Nice. Yeah.

Nobody goes to see it. that's not what we want from Sam. Right. And then he has to go crawling back to TV where he plays like the bad guy on some of the show. No, then he's in a movie in the late 80s that's about like some sort of terrible incident in the South.

No, and like where he's like the evil sheriff who's like a racist and somebody dies. And he tries that he makes a dramatic run of that. Like an extreme prejudice style movie. Yeah, but it doesn't work. Right. What's his country? His country movie is what?

Broken Country. What's it called? Yeah. Out of rhythm. Sure. Yeah. Quiet country. Tone deaf.

Silent country. Silent country. So then Sam ends up on, like, an arc on friends. Oh, like Tom Selleck. Yeah, like the Selleck kind of run. But he can't be on Friends. I guess he's basically just the Selleck run. But is it like his young Caroline in the city instead?

Like, where does he get? Yeah, something like that. That's pretty good. Or cheers. He starts dating Rebecca in like 1991. But 10 years later, Netflix revives J.T. Lanser, new 10 episode series. Right. Son of Lanser.

Oh, yeah, he's back. Yeah. Sam's working again. Yeah. And cast in that part is Meg's daughter or son

daughter Harold's bastard son Yeah that sounds great That could be good show Harold's bastard Best double Best double feature choice

with this movie Grand Canyon right? Yeah Yeah Okay A little more mixed on Grand Canyon Me too But it feels like the right

double feature But it is a very interesting like through line of this kind of person throughout the next couple of decades. I do really like the scene when Danny Glover

gets the gang to let him take the car away because it's his job. I think that's just a... I think Danny Glover is really good in that movie. I think I only like that movie because of Danny Glover. I don't really like that movie that much. It's just an eerie artifact of history because it was released like

two months before the LA riots. Right. So it now seems like such an odd little snapshot. The Andy and Red Zawane Award for what happened the next day. If I gave you, Nick is arrested for drug possession versus Harold gets divorced. What happens first? Nick's going down. Like, I already think he's got one strike with that sheriff anyway.

Yeah. He'll have been off to him. Do you think Harold and Sarah are still together to this day? There's no way. Maybe like he lives at the summer house and she lives up in the city house, like kind of thing where it's like married and named Nolan. I can't believe he forgave her for the Alex thing. That's where that generation, they kind of moved

to their own. Is Harold our greatest cuck? No, man, Harold's probably like, he probably owns that's what I'm saying. He owns the Carolina Panthers. Is he the winningest cuck of all time? How long do you think Nick and Chloe last? Oh, like a week and a half. Yeah. Yeah. Not long.

She's like, sorry, I understand you said your hog doesn't work. I was a lewd. Do you think that this thing on? He's like, I told you. I told you it doesn't work. Is that a joke about how he's a radio? What's part of that? Don't you understand? I told him that two nights ago. Is that why it doesn't work? Yeah, I think he had an incident in Vietnam stepped on a line or something. But then what happened when they hooked up? Like what

actually happened? Who? Lada oral sex. Yeah, he's a master of that. It's like Spider-Man. He has to get better. Do you think that Harold secretly hired Nick to date Chloe so that he could then break up with her and kick her out of Harold's house? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, because Chloe's got squatters rights coming up.

That's what I'm saying. So is he using her as a wedge? We forgot to mention when Harold... Is this thing on? When Nick gives Goldblum the Quaylor, like maybe take one of these because he's just trying to knock him out so he can make a move on Meg Tilly? Yeah.

I was like that. I always thought that was like stinky. Love to drug my friends. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Portia. Well, you know, it probably doesn't run. I like Michael's Village Voice T-shirt. It was pretty cool.

We didn't talk about the... The sneakers, I thought the Running Dog, game-orn running dog sneakers would be pretty good. The record collection, I think, would be really good, too. And the coffee maker. I could really go for Richard's sandwich right now. For beef sandwich. What do you think of, um...

the sort of using the video camera to do interviews throughout the movie thing. Do you like that? I kind of liked it because it's very like 80s. Nick's self-interview is awesome. Yeah. There was this moment with cameras in the mid-80s where everybody was like,

whoa, you turn this on and you tape, and then you're on the TV. It does kind of capture that. And then people would just sit there and watch terrible videos they made of each other. So I'm not against it. I like it, too.

the coach finstock award best life lesson everyone sells out what's the look it's like it's i always like meg's line about like it's a cold world out there and like sometimes i'm worried i'm getting cold too kind of it's not a lesson but it's like truism it's kind of no way to answer this one because this movie has so many smaller lessons i'm still ruminating on you and c r making 50 grand a year doing what you love oh i thought you were to say it's still ruminating on me and bill being kyle shanahan Robert Salo for a two person. I just don't know how you do a two-on-two football game with no Mississippi. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

I love pickup football and try to introduce very dense verbiage to play calls and stuff. If you could cast one member of the ringer staff to be your number two on your two-on-two football team, who would you cast? Probably Craig. Craig's got height. I can't alley-oop. I'm kind of a nightmare downfield. Craig's good, yeah. Craig's physical. Nightmare downfield. I got hands.

But you're the pickings and he's the picket. He's like Anquam Baldwin. But Anquam Bolden. I can't speak. He's like Alec Baldwin. It's like Alec Baldwin out there. They had like big physical receiver. Who would you pick?

Mal. Mal is tenacious and will not lose. You just give her a ton of. He would absolutely blow out a calf or something. Two minutes in. A Roger. totally it's like lifting three hours a day

it's gonna be running around in a football field no he's limping off Jeff Chow's pretty big yeah but Jeff Jeff's back is always like yeah he's got back is true but I've seen him with a driver though he can really he's got some power let me see him in the flat with two running

linebackers coming at him you know I think it's two on two Austin Gale would be interesting because he would bring like 130 plays to the game and like eight of them would be amazing I want him to coach my team Yeah, definitely. So I can't coach your team? Definitely not.

No, sorry, Shannon. Who won the movie? I have the Cheesecake Factory menu. I always say that the Kazden, you know, the director. But in this case, it feels like what a personal movie, you know? Like, he made the generational movie. I think it's Kazden as well. Craig?

I love this movie. I adored it. This is immediately a top five all time. of rewatch those movies I have not seen before. Wow. Yeah. Amazing. High praise.

Yeah. I love movies about friendship. I love movies about just like, like I love singles. I love kicking and screaming and this falls under that category team. The realism of this movie, and I wonder if I'm, I kind of gravitate towards these movies because I find that there isn't a lot of realism and stuff made now. There's not a lot of great stuff made about living in 2023. Yeah.

That I can relate to. It's all very big ideas, you know, high concept things. There's just not a lot of people in rooms. Honestly, a lot of, like, realism day-to-day stuff is on TikTok, and it's just like people joking about what it's like to be a young person nowadays. So I don't know if that's why I like kicking and streaming and singles. It's like, wow, these people were making movies in the moment about what it was like to be a young person in the moment. And I don't find I have a place to go for that right now.

Also, I was thinking about if this movie was made today with people my age or something, like 10 years from now, my friends meet up after 15 years. and just how much worse the music would be that we're listening to? Like we're playing like levels by Avichy. You're all staring at your phones, playing levels. We're like dancing around the kitchen island to like Kygo. And like I got a feeling by the black eyed peas. Yes and no, you'd find music that is actually good that you love.

That was what we listened to in college. It was it was Kaigo and house music. And that was like the main... That's sort of what I was saying where it's like Motown is still Motown. Like you can still put on Motown. songs and be like, this is the best song ever written. And it's an okay thing to say out loud. Totally.

It's not just blanket nostalgia. Yeah. Also, you guys missed, I wish you guys talked about Michael Moore, the Goldblum character. The other trope about Friends on a trip is there's always one guy who sleeps in way too late and misses the cleaning every morning. Yeah. He comes down, it's 11, the kitchen's clean. Like, everyone's already a walk.

Are we the first one's up? Yeah, I love that line. Yeah, we didn't really talk about Michael quite enough. There's always that group. The one guy, it's like, not a hundred percent in on the guy. He's, like, kind of weird, but you're friends of these people because, like, proximity, right? And everyone just kind of accepts his weirdness. Yeah.

Hurt's character calls him out in the end in that one part. I could say you're using, manipulative, whatever. But he does, like, he kind of is so cynical that he's just like, oh, I'm so hurt, you know? Yeah. Right. Right. Also, I didn't know Beringer had it like that. Barringer was kind of a missile back then.

Wow. He had the swag. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. I don't know who else was kind of like him in the 80s. I think he was 34 in this movie Berenger? They don't make 34-year-olds like they used to, man.

I'm almost 30. That's a different kind of man. He's true. He's got that thing that a lot of movie stars back then highwood. He has a giant head. Yeah. His face is wide. No, it's like him, Sam Elliott.

You can see him like a skull ad. Yeah, he's tall. That's what Berenger missed his calling with the Taylor Sheridan universe. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The Taylor Sheridan, where are you in? Tom Berringer. Yeah.

Pulling him in. Crank out three more shows next year and get there. Right now he's typing. He should revive the substitute. Did you see that picture of Taylor Sheridan with Jerry Jones? Certainly. That wasn't a picture. They showed him during the game.

Yeah. I was watching. It was great. Sharon's going to buy the Cowboys. Yeah, probably. You can probably afford it at this point. All right, the big chill. Was this good for your birthday?

It was great. I forget what we've done on the last couple of birthday episodes, but they've all been really good ones. Should I check? What was your left? I remember Shashank we did. That was years ago. Didn't you have one for when you turned 40?

I want to say we did. That's right. The last episode of September last, oh, boogie nights. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Quite a run. This is up there for me.

What's left on your like birthday hit list? Oh, there's a lot. Okay. There's a lot. Now that I know we can do some of the shitter movies that we've been dying to do for a while. You can be blackout. You can be blackout. I feel like you do Beringer month.

We were doing. will never do Black Hat as a bit for years and then you're like fuck it we're going in. But you know why we did Black Cat because Sierra and I both realized it's actually a good movie. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you were in a pod, but we watched Black Hat. Did you share with him that some some friends were mad that they weren't invited? Tim Simons, who was on Veep was very upset that he wasn't on that podcast. Is that Jonah? On the Black Hat podcast? He's like number one Black Cat. Oh, there are people that like Black Cat? Yeah. There are dozens of us. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's great. Never nudes.

Yeah. Never nudes. Yeah, I can assure you that anybody who likes blackhead has never been nude. So it checks out. Fantasy Sierra, good to see you as always. Thanks, Craig.