The Rewatchables - ‘The Breakfast Club’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Wesley Morris

Episode Date: February 13, 2020

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and The New York Times’ Wesley Morris spend their Saturday in detention rewatching the 1985 classic ‘The Breakfast Club,’ starring Emilio Estevez, Molly Ringwald, and Anthony Michael Hall, directed by John Hughes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Breakfast Club coming up next. A brain, a beauty, a jock, a rebel, and a recluse. I can't believe this is really happening to me. Before this day is over, they'll break the rules. Chicks, can I hold a smoke? That's what it is. There are their souls. I'm an infamaniac.

Are your parents aware of this? Take some chances. Being bad feels pretty good. And touch each other in a way they never dreamed possible. Why'd you do that? Because I knew you wouldn't. Universal Pictures presents Emilio Estevez, Paul Gleeson, Anthony Michael Hall, Judd Nelson,

Molly Ringwall and Ali Sheedy in a John Hughes film Why you need you're letting me? The Breakfast Club Hey, it's the 35th anniversary of one of the three movies I've seen the most, The Breakfast Club.

Chris Ryan is here from The Ringer. Wesley Morris, our old Grantland teammate from the New York Times, he's here as well. Hello, gentlemen. Hi. I was astonished on the 120th viewing of this movie how well it's still held up.

I don't know what it would look like in 2020, but I know what it looked like in 1985, and it was an incredibly important high school movie during an incredibly important stretch of high school movies. Chris Ryan, what was your reaction, rewatching it? Well, weirdly, a lot of the people in this movie remind me of my friends that, like, around that time, they're older brothers and sisters. You know, so it's like I do, it was kind of very nostalgic for me. I couldn't believe how much I remembered. Like, I've seen this movie, I can't countless times either on cable or actually like on purpose. When's the last time

you saw it before this time? Within the last 10 years, but I'm not sure even so, a lot of the movies we do for rewatchable, even diehard. I'll be like, oh yeah, that happens in diehard. Okay, I forgot about that. I didn't forget any of this movie. Now, part of that is because it's just basically a play. It just takes place in one set. It's just a bunch of people talking.

In the greatest library of all time. Oh my God, that library. I'm glad that you guys said that because I didn't want to have to, I mean, I've got some other cards to pull. Yeah. Yeah. like we can all at least agree that library. No one's had a library. It's a fantasy.

It turns out they built it. It's not a real library. Right. But yeah, I mean, I just, the way in which like almost every gesture and joke and line

have kind of just becoming green in my mind was really surprising. I was like, oh yeah, I know every line in this movie. Wesley, who is your favorite black character in the movie?

The one Anthony Michael Hall impersonates when he's stone. He's doing the Richard Pryor impressionation. What's that got to you when you rewatched it? When was the last time you saw it? Well, you know, it's funny. I don't actually know that I have ever seen the movie in its entirety until this time. Really?

I have seen this movie so many times over the course of my life in bits and pieces. I was nine when it came out. I definitely didn't see it in a movie theater. It was one of those, it was a cable movie because I never rented it. It was actually like one of the ultimate cable movies. It's the perfect video cable. I think it's like they don't have to cut one second out of it. Yeah, because it's all set in the same place.

Like if it's just on for 12 hours, you're like, you don't even notice that it's like the beginning or the end of the movie. And the bleeps where I was like, well, freak you! Freak you! And, you know, it was very easy to change it. Anyway, I interrupted you. I'm sorry. No, no. I just, I remember it's strange, like in the same way that you were.

surprised by how much of it you remember. I already knew going in the things that stuck in my brain. Like, I mean, I don't know if we're stepping or anything, but just to answer the question with detail, you can't blaze up in here, waste, or hey, waste do you can't blaze up in here. Yeah.

I know that. The Dandruff snowflake for her beautiful sketch bit is like, I mean, it's gross, but I remember it. I remember my favorite two parts of the movie are the music video parts. Yeah, the montages. Because they don't make any real sense, but they make 1985 sense. It kind of obeys the rule of 1985 where it's like, we just kind of have to do this. This is what the kids want.

Right, right. And it's not at all, like, dietic or like, it's just like the music is being played in the room, but they're doing choreographer. they are almost aware of the fact that they are on camera in those scenes. Yes, yes. And I was struck by as an adult watching that now, if they're aware of themselves as physical beings in a musical space, aren't they then aware of each other as personalities in the dramatic space?

Right. Like how much of, I mean, in Judd Nelson's character, Bender is called out on this numerous times where, you know, when he starts when he does the whole parent thing Andy says to him well that's bullshit man that's just part of your image

Yeah And it just In Do I stutter? No dad What about you? So I was I was the exact same age

As the people In this movie when it came out And saw it in the movie theater And you know Especially in 1985 You're thinking Which one of these kids am I And I wasn't, I weirdly wasn't, I was probably the closest to Brian just because I was like a little bit shy only child, awkward around girls.

But, you know, it was so clearly the athlete, the badass fuck up guy, the nerd, the weirdo lady, and then the prom queen. And I was trying to think like if they added a six person to kind of round it out, I'm not even sure unless you had like a black character, you had a Mexican character. If you were doing it now, it would have to be... Now it's never happening. But for the most part, those are the five buckets you pretty much have to hit. Yes. If you're doing this movie. Like, you start with those five.

Maybe there's a six you could add, but it's hard to overstate the impact of cable on this movie. Because it came out, it did really well. And it was just on constantly. I mean, it was on for five straight years all the time. And it's one of those movies you can jump into any part. It's the definition of a rewile. It's like, oh, he's about to tell everybody that he tape Larry Lester's buns together. Yeah, right.

I'm going to watch this. I'm in for the next 15 minutes. And it's just, and that was why I think it lived on and on and on. And it captured a lot of people at awesome points of their career. Like Molly Ringwild was the defining high school actress of this decade, and this is her best movie. And this is John Hughes about to blow up as John Hughes. I don't know, y'all. I mean, have you seen fresh horses lately?

I didn't say it lasted. Just throwing it out there. Chris, the glory years for teen movies. So if you start with Fast Times in 82, and Fast Times does well, and makes people go, oh, we should make more of these. This will be cool. And then it really starts to hit in 84.

And you're talking 84 and 85, those two years only. Breakfast Club, Karate Kid, Teen Wolf, Goonies, Back to the Future, Gremlins, just one of the guys in Vision Quest. All set in high schools in like an 18-month span. Why did this become a growth area for Hollywood? Well, obviously, it probably has like socioeconomic reasons. Like, teenagers had spending power.

If there was like, you know, the Reagan boom for the people that actually helped, people probably had a little bit more money in their pockets, like in terms of kids like the people in Breakfast Club, so they wanted to see themselves represented on screen and they voted with their dollars a little bit. I would add that this was the Not a lot to do in 1983, 485. Yeah.

You went to the mall, you went to the movies. Well, the mall is a huge part of it, ice cream shop. I think the mall is like a really huge part of it. Because these malls then had movie theaters and they needed things for kids to see.

And like creating a mirror for the kids to go watch to stare into for 90 minutes a day. 83 had, too. 83 had class, all the right moves and risky business. too. So if you want to throw in that year,

these are all the sons and daughters of fast movies. That's the thing is I was going to say. Those are adult movies. Even fast times, I think is like kind of, it's kind of like adults kind of like almost making teenage life into like a comic book in some ways.

It's very funny. But like when you think about the Phoebe Kate scene, and I think Molly Ringwald wrote about this in her New York article about looking back at Breakfast Club where it's like there are things in fast times that don't feel very authentic to teenage experience, It's not the way that like Breakfast Club felt like it was like written in collaboration with the people that are in the movie and very much like told from their perspective. And it never condescends to them, but it also never like overly mythologizes them.

Right. That was our job. Yeah. Right. Do you what I mean? Right. I mean, that really was the novelty of the movie was the, was the mechanism by which it presents these these archa-like the movie knows what the archetypes are. and then steadily argues for their dimensionalized humanity

by the time it's over. One thing I did not remember, and I don't know if this is a thing that sticks in your minds in terms of what the movie is, but the framing device is totally strange. Like, not strange, bad, but as a convention to have this set up like a letter from the home front or a suicide note or something.

And it's presented, the essay that Brian writes is kind of like it's a, it's a statement of purpose. It is a sort of treaties. It's like, why would Vernon ask them to do that? Like, what difference does it make? I don't know. I've seen some weird detention assignments. And that one seems like the most humane. Well, so, but the letter and the quote that they use at the beginning with Dave Bowie.

Oh yeah, I wrote that down. It ties into this kind of one of the main themes is like this defiance that we're in high school you don't take us seriously but we actually have a lot to say and we're thinking about a lot

and that's why like the reason this became one of my favorite movies ever was basically the 15 minute stretch when they're all hanging out and you could see all them in that one shot after they'd smoke out all that stuff

and Estevez tells us sitting on the floor. Yeah. And then it goes around and it's basically like a play for 15 minutes, and they're having like a life talk. I had just never seen that in a movie before where people my own age

having a pretty sophisticated discussion about like why they were fucked up. Yeah. And not even, they never really get out ahead of their skis where the only line in that scene that ever, it's not that it doesn't ring true, it's just like it's so kind of profound that you'd feel like a person in their 30s or 40s

wrote it rather than somebody who is six. said it was when you grow old, your heart dies. When you grow up, your heart dies. Who cares? I care. Because you'd have to know that. On one hand, all these kids feel alienated from their parents and probably feel like they don't understand what happens when you grow old.

Like, why would my parents be this way? But that is the one line where even though it's one of the best lines in the movie, you're like, oh, man, like that's Johnny's. Wait, who says that again? It's how she says it, yeah. By the way, that's true. My heart is dead. But I think that all of, I think at least three of the kids are responding to their parents' disappointment in themselves.

Yes. And I think, I mean, there is a way. Three, I think it's all five. I think all five of them have some sort of complicated relationships. They all have complicated relationships. A relationship with their parents that they don't feel good about it. Unsatisfying. Unsatisfying.

But, I mean, my point is just that the parents themselves have. have either failed in some way or like don't like having gotten older and are taking that out. I mean, that's clearly true with the Estevez character, right? Well, it's also true of the principle. Right, right, right. The principal.

Oh, yes, yes. And Carl the January does that, yeah, the kids haven't changed. You have. Yeah, right. And that's the recurring theme in the movie is kids are more complicated than you think. And adults, something happens to them. Yes.

Something happens to them. That's a bad thing. these kids are afraid it's going to happen to them. Which is a really interesting thing for a movie. And I haven't seen, you know, now we're into the ladybird era. People have taken that theme and moved it a hundred different levels higher than that. But in 1985, it was a real thing. Well, the idea that they, the idea that the reason, the sort of underlying reason that all five of them are in detention is because their parents don't give them enough attention is really, I mean, it is a very.

I mean, it is a really interesting sort of sociological dramatic conceit, right? Like, we really, oh, the only person we really know, I mean, we know that Andy beat up a guy. We know that Andy beat up, like, really beat up a guy. Which, can I just ask a logistics question about high school? I went to a very small high school. I did too. If, if, if, if some, if a wrestler had beaten somebody like that within an inch, of his life the way Andy has

wouldn't? I would, everybody would know. I went to a Quaker school too, so there was a fight. It was like a, we would have like a huge deal. Like all hands assembly. It would just be like, oh my God, there was a fight. I mean, like, you get like shoving matches, but nothing like that. I'm not in 80s though.

I do feel like, I guess the question is how big is the school? Now it's like that kids kicked out of school and, you know, it's got the scarlet letter. But I think in 85, you know, the wrestling coach comes in. He navigates it. The kid apologizes to the kid, and then everybody kind of pretends it didn't happen. Oh, well, that's just real life. That's still happening.

That's still happening. Well, it's also just like, did you ever have a bender at your school? Like, did you have a kid who was just like always on the line about getting from getting suspended or expelled? I had a guy like that. I had a benevolent bender. A benevolent bender. Yeah, but I would say a benevolent bender. Yeah, that would be my bodyguard, right?

Yeah, you know, it was awesome. Benevolent benders. Those are the best people to have. They had great weed. So they were burnouts, but they were like, they weren't going around like 14-13 people. They might have your back in a fight. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I guess I did have a bender. I did have a like almost true bender. And I, like, understanding where he was coming from made a lot of sense. Also, I had a lady bender. Well, let's hear the letter that lady benders are the best. Yeah. Let's hear the letter that he reads at the beginning.

Saturday, March 24th, 1984. Sherman High School. Sherman, Illinois. 6.0.62. Dear Mr. Vernon, we accept the fact that we had to sacrifice a whole Saturday in detention for whatever it was we did wrong. What we did was wrong. But we think you're crazy to make us write an essay telling you who we think we are. What do you care when you see us as you want to see us?

In the simplest terms, the most convenient definitions. You see us as a brain. an athlete A basket case Princess and a criminal Correct That's the way we saw each other at 7 o'clock this morning We were brainwashed

A brain and athlete A basket case, a princess and a criminal Nice up Pretty much sums it up Can we talk about John Hughes for a second? Yes He writes vacation Which is a movie that's still fucking funny

It was on AMC recently And I was laughing the entire time 16 candles Breakfast Club Weird science Ferris Bueher Pretty and Pink he wrote Some kind of wonderful

Plains trains in automobiles The Great Outdoors Uncle Buck She's having a baby And then he wrote home alone Didn't direct it And that's all in less than 10 years Yeah, it's amazing

And then basically hangs it up He does like the Larry Bird That was a good run My back hurts him out He's like he lived in Chicago For most of the like basically The entire time Yeah

Very anti- Hollywood We'll talk about how this movie got made when we do the half-ass internet research. But, I mean, there's nobody like him. No. I can't even be like, oh, he kind of reminds me John Hughes, or that guy's career is like John Hughes, or whatever you want to say,

this has never happened before since that run. And his ability to resonate with teenagers, to tap into pop culture, to reflect what pop culture was in the mid-1980s and late 1980s. He's one of the MVPs of the decade. Yeah, it's disorienting. too to watch his movies because so little happens in them but they're not lauded for that you know it's not like they're like slacker or dazed and confused where they're thought of as like these like statements on lack of like narrative kind of like developments like the things that happen in this film well nothing happens like they smoke pot they eat lunch they dance they break the library window by screaming that's right they break library windows by screaming and then they go oh it's there's no like i kept waiting for like is there like i couldn't remember it's like Do Vernon and Bender getting like a fist fight?

Because I remember he did the chin thing, like punch me right here. Yeah. Nothing happens. And that's pretty consistent with these movies. Like nothing really happens in Ferris Bueller. I mean, there's a couple of set pieces and stuff like that. But these movies are real hangout movies. When you say nothing, I mean, I just, when you say-

I guess I'm just conditioned for it to be like all these movies, like movies today are so oriented around like goals and missions. You know, so much of filmmaking and storytelling is oriented around like, what's the, what's urgent about this moment? What do they have to do in this scene? Right. And it's so much more, the stakes are just changed in this. I wouldn't even call them low stakes because they're so, for these kids, they're like the highest

possible stakes. I would say that the thing, I wish even less happened in this movie. Really? The idea that Claire and Bender get together, the idea that you've got two romantic comedies happening surreptitiously is more than the movie needed to do. Sure. I mean, or to at least confirm by. the end that these two people have gotten together.

But I also understand probably being, you know, 14, 15, 17, and seeing these two different archetypes come together. Swimming against the stream. Right. I mean, I understand the appeal of that. But I'm, but I, as a grown man now, I can see there's something slightly artificial and fantastical about, yeah. Yeah.

I get what you're saying, though, because it's not like there's no deaths. there's no like super traumatic event. But at some... It's not good... It's, you know, like, they don't have a treasure map. Like, it's... There isn't, like, they're not adding a teenage movie onto a genre movie. It really is

like inventing a teenage genre. But he always manages to have at least one character changes in some way over the course of the movie. Like, even in vacation, Clark Griswold really wants to have this awesome family trip. But by the end of it, he's completely insane. He's hijacking the Walt Disney character.

Demanding to let the park. He's just all he wanted was to complete this family mission and he was a lunatic. But ultimately, benevolent every case. Well, I would say... There's no darkness to John Hughes movies, in my opinion. Well, I don't know. Well, true. But I actually think that the thing that he...

I think the thing that sometimes deserves him is his urge toward darkness sometimes, right? Like what? I think... Well, I mean, Cameron and Ferris Bueller's Day Off is, I think, one of the great characters in this genre of movies. And if I'm making a list of 100 characters, I love in American movies, Cameron is definitely on the list.

And I think that there's a beat too far in Ferris Bueller's Day Off with Cameron. But I feel like, because you understand, because A. Allen Rock is really good in the part, and also because the writing is so good, you understand that Ferris is... Well, you know Ferris is an asshole. I mean, at least watching it now.

But you also understand that Cameron is the person who should be taking a day off from school. And Ferris realizes this, which makes him a kind of narcissistically good friend. But Cameron is the person, all the great writing in that movie, all the great dramatic writing is given to Cameron. Well, it's like that art gallery scene. Oh, yeah. When he's staring at the painting and he's looking at that one kid in the dot and it just goes

back and forth, you're right. He's the key person in that movie, but you would think it was Ferris Bueller. I really, I just love John Hughes. Yeah. I think the degree of difficulty what he did and the fact that, I mean, what's, out of all those movies, what's the worst one? Like, she's having a baby. No.

That's not even that bad of a movie, you know? He didn't have, for him not to have any losses, you think some kind of wonderful? I think some kind of wonderful, because it's the movie. That's the Mary Stewart-Master someone? That's the Leah Thompson, Eric Stoltz. But you know what, though? That movie's cast really well. And I think the actors in it make up for the fact that it's pretty weak movie.

She's a comedian. She's a tomboy. Yeah, right. Yeah. And now she would be unquestionably bisexual. And they would, that character would have so many more wrinkles than what it was. But what yours, but the thing you just said is the thing that like even watching it and when it came out in 87 or 88, I, there was a falseness to my 11-year-old self. I just did not believe these people under the, because they.

It was like they were adults pretending to be some other age. Well, Craig Schaefer was like 25. That was one of the John Hughes flaws is he had no problem having a 26-year-old playing a 17-year-old. Yeah. Even Matthew Broderick. Judd Nelson and Emilio Estavis were 22 for Breakfast Club, right? Amelia was an old 22. Yeah.

Yeah. Making the moves. Let's talk about the brat pack. So we both did some research on this. The brat pack, I didn't ever read. realized was born with a New York magazine cover story, which came after this movie came up, but before San Amos Fier, with this writer who hung out with Emilio Estevez and went out in the town. David Blum.

Hung out with Rob Lo, Emilio Estevez, did a night in the town. Emilio Estevez comes off as kind of douchy in it. He gets upset that he can't get into a club, that they're not letting him right in. Won't pay money. Won't pay money to go in. To go see Lady Hawk. No, it's the Lady Hawk thing that really jumped out of me. Oh, that's what it was.

Okay. see their buddy and lady. They won't see Roger. Yeah. They won't pay. They put them all on the cover with the, with the headline, the brat pack. Yeah. And all of these guys immediately know, this sucks.

This is going to be bad for us. Yep. This is, we will now be. And it's funny that magazines, I just don't think magazines have the power like that now. You know, obviously we had way less media back then. But the ability of a magazine to completely change the narrative of a group of people's career. Mm-hmm. And where everybody will now, even today,

say that that magazine changed, that, that article changed their relationship to each other. Yeah. Right. Like Ali Sheedy at some point was like, yeah, they took a really nice thing and that magazine article ruined everything. Right. And the Brad Pack was born, but the Brad Pack was the thing. And the people who were sort of on the periphery of that whole thing like John Cusack or

Nicholas Cage, who aren't on the magazine cover, but we're like trying out for some of the same parts that Robloon. The ethnic chair, Nicholas Cage, is how he's described in that art. He's described as the ethnic chair. And those guys wind up having better careers probably because they're not looped into that. It's hard for me to think of this movie without San Homo's Fire, which is basically three of these people in that movie, Al-Assidi, who is playing a completely different character. Jed Nelson, who's playing this future Republican senator. And then Rob Lo was the fuck up.

And it comes out, what, six months after they're all graduated from college. In this movie, they're on high school. Oh, and Estevez. Estabez, who has like the weirdest part in St. Elmo spends the entire movie stalking Andy McDowell. Yeah, that has on the mountains. We'll do rewatchables at some point. That got pretty creepy about 10 years ago. That movie never worked for me.

I'm really down and out on Joel Schumacher in all capacities. Good music at least. Did Debbie Moore's character smoke crack in that movie? Is she free-basing? Like when they're like, when they find her in the apartment? I don't remember. Yeah, I think she's hard on something. I don't remember what it is.

I don't know, but I spent like four years in the 90s just looking for her. It wasn't hard to find her. That was my wheelhouse. Does that mean that you were the guy who paid to see wisdom? No, I just, I just going up to people and be like, I'm a benevolent bender. I like fraud people in their twenties. Did you see wisdom? in the theater?

Wisdom of course being Emilio Estevez's writing and directing debut. It's just a lot of cocaine back then. Is this the one where he and Martin Sheen are walking across the mountains? No. No, that's later.

This movie's terrible. He made this when he was like 26. Imagine today. Who would even do this now? And it's a crazy plot. He plays, he graduates from high school, has a girlfriend,

sees a report on the news about starving people and people not being able to pay their bills and losing their mortgage, like, houses because they can't pay their mortgages. So he and Demi Moore basically become Bonnie and Clyde in order to get people, like, time off from having their loans be late.

It's a crazy Martin Sheen, only the son of Martin Sheen would think to write and direct this movie for his first film. They were engaged in real life. Oh, yeah, I remember that. The movie bombed and the engagement was immediately called off. We should mention that, though, the Martin Sheen part's an important part of this. Because with Estevez, you don't think of it now because he's Emilio Estevez, but he was

Martin Sheen's kid. When he was in the outsiders, Martin Sheen was, I don't think he was one of the five biggest actors at the time, but he was in the top ten. And he was the guy from Apocos down. He's only five years removed from Apococel. Yeah. And I think that really helped Charlie. Sheen and Estevez

because he was like, oh man, Martin Sheen's kids are acting. Yeah. So we gave them way more of a chance, I think, than they would have.

And then you see him in this move and you're like, there is something likable about him. I don't think it's a total nepotism thing. Like, he did have a charisma to him.

Amelia Esseves? Yeah, oh, he 100%. I don't think this was... I mean, I'm sure people think a movie is shit, but I remember when

when Young Guns came out, it was like really a big deal. Like, people were like, oh, man. Young Guns. Yeah. Keeper. Yeah.

The budget of this movie, $1 million, it made $54 million. There's only 10 speaking parts in this movie. Roger Ebert, three stars, said the performances were, quote, wonderful. End quote. I actually remember watching Siskel and Ebert about this. Literally watching it, knowing I was excited for the movie, and they both liked it. But the clip they showed was when it was Ali Sheedy and Estevez. and they're like, what's wrong with you?

What do your parents do to you? And she's like, they hate more of me. And I'm like, what is this movie? And then it comes back to these two old frumpy guys talking about this movie. But it was great. We're going to do the categories. Wait, can I say something? Yeah.

Pauline Kale called bullshit on this. On this movie? Yeah, she reviewed it. She had some really bad takes. No, but I feel like Pauline's hedging into maybe being a rewatchables category is what was Pauline Kale's take. Yeah. I mean, it's going to be wrong 80% of the time.

But I feel like what she identified in this movie is a thing that is not false, which is, I mean, I really wrestled with her with where she came down. And where she came down was like this is, this is like a bogus teen angst movie. The angst isn't coming from any sort of real like America. Like, it's not that it's not coming from a real American place, but there's something about the angst here that just feels phony. You know why she felt that way? Because when you get old, your heart dies. All right, fair, Bill. That is fair.

No, I do think, though, the whole point of being a teenager is getting completely stressed out and flustered and overwhelmed. Because you're feeling the feelings for the first time. Yeah, by dumb shit. And the fact that your parents got divorced and you think it's your fault or like your dad is Bender's dad and he's stuffing a cigar on your wrist. But I think that she was the person who made the point that comparing it to something like Rebel Without a Cause, right? where there actually was sort of a like a national thing to put your finger on. That's a fair. And that the parents were also suffering, were like shown to be suffering in a way that only exacerbated the suffering of the kids.

And the way that Hughes treats adult and parents, it's interesting, the most sophisticated adult in the movie is the janitor. Right. Carl, yeah. And he's the person who has. all the wisdom at both ends of the human development spectrum. I fucking love the January. See, I think you can make the argument that that's like, for as much as I sort of enjoy the Carl Vernon conversations,

the movie in terms of what Kail is criticizing isn't helped by the fact that it breaks perspective. Because for the rest of the movie, you're only ever with those kids. And they see their parents through, you see the parents through their eyes, you see Vernon through their eyes. Like, everything is limited by like what their point of view is.

So to break out of that, You might as well then break out of like, what is Andy's dad doing during the day when he's like gone home and like... Well, that's the thing she found unfair. Exactly. Like, why use the principle as a straw man to, to villainize all of,

sort of to represent all of the villainy, all the parental villainy that these guys are talking about among themselves in detention? These kids turned on me. Yeah. He actually says that. Yeah. We're going to do the categories one second,

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Okay. Most rewatchable scene. Hmm. Some good ones. I mean, honestly, this whole movie is rewatchable. It's also one scene. Yeah. It's hard to even delineate. It's more moments.

Bender steals the screw and gets eight detentions. Eat my shorts. You just bought yourself another Saturday, Mr. Crushed. You just bought one more right there. Well, I'm free to Saturday after that. Beyond that, I'm going to have to check my calendar. Good.

Because it's going to be filled. We'll keep going. You want another one? Say the word. Just say the word. Instead of going to prison, you'll come here. Are you through? No, I'm doing society a favor

So? That's another one right now I've got you for the rest of your natural born life If you don't watch your step You want another one? Yes You got it You got another one right there

That's another one pal Cut it out You through? Not even close, bud Good You got one more right there You really think I give a shit Another

Are you done? Not even close bud And then You're mine, Bender. Two months. He throws up the hook him? Yeah. That whole thing.

That scene's really good and it's really good Judd Nelson. And when do you want to have the Judd Nelson conversation? Right now. Let's just have it right now. Because I fucking love him in this movie and I think he should have been a bigger star. Do you love him more in this or in New Jack City? I actually liked him in St. Elmo's Fire. New Jack City.

It's tough facial hair. But it was the old, but that's the thing that he's trying to do. Like every shitty thing that he did in every movie, including, I hate to say it, this one is bleeding up to him just coming out as a person who just wants to be near and around black people. And he doesn't even know what he's doing in this movie. He's like, I went to acting school with Mario Van Peebles. But you did. He was like, yeah. Because you know there's that scene in the gym when they break out and he gets caught and he basically takes it.

This is also a weirdly is, it really is a war. movie. Like, it's structured like a war movie in a lot of ways, right? Like, they're in, they're in their, they're in their bunker, yeah. And he is basically going to take one for the squad. Right. Right. And like, you know, you guys, I'm going to stay behind, you go without me. I want to be there for it. Yeah. So when he, and also, what do they

whistle, by the way? What's the whistling they do? Into, like, that weird moment, they whistle the theme. They whistle the bridge on the River Quiet theme. It's such are weird. I mean, the war, the war dimension of this movie. I'd never thought of that. Is really fascinating. Can I make the case for Jed Nelson? Okay. Wait, let me just finish my point about the black thing.

Oh, yeah, he's in, they're playing basketball. He does the voice. He does, he says, Out, that's it, vendor. Out, it's over. Don't you want to hear my excuse? Out. Thing I'm trying to try and out for a scholarship. Give me the ball. Yeah, it's like how, he says, scholarship.

Yeah. There's something about the way... He says it like a black dude. And the joke... I mean, it's like a two-tier joke. And it's like, okay. But everything that Judd Nelson had been doing up to that point...

Up to New Jack? It was all meant... It all comes to fruition in New Jack. That's why Alec is so frustrated in San Luis Fire. No black friends. And in the closet about wanting them, too. I know.

Anyway, go on. Defend him. David Caruso. Ooh. He figured out a way to bring it up two notches beyond where it should have gone, but not lose control of the steering wheel. But really thrived in, I'm really going for it. I'm going to take this.

I can take this up to 10. I'm going to take it to 12. And in St. Elmo's Fire, he's kind of a self-parody in that movie, but I think he knows it, which is the most interesting thing about it as an actor. That one scene when they're like, Estavis says to him near the beginning when he's, switch his sides to the Republicans. And he's like, what's the chairman of the young Democrats doing working for Republican? He's like, moving up, Curbo.

Moving up. And it's like so cheesy. And it's like he's the only person who could have pulled that off. I'm in on Judd Nelson. Well, I think he should have had a better career. I know he was a giant asshole, I think, was the report. Yeah. That he was just really hard to work with.

It sounds like on this set of this movie particularly. It's in the David. It's in that New York Magazine piece. But here's, I have some things to like try to. contextualize what they were trying to get, not with a Judd Nelson, not just with Judd Nelson, but with all of the men, the 80s was this really, it was the, it's the only time in the history of modern American pop culture that I can think of where being a Republican was cool. And you had all of these.

Because of Reagan. Right. I mean, but right, it was, it was maybe just, maybe it was only because of Reagan. This is, you were correct. But, I mean, just think of how. one of those brat packers, except for Estevez, who was, who had staked his career on being, who, on making liberal work, like, identifiably, inarguably. He was Robin Hood in that movie he made in, in wisdom.

Then, what was the, what was the thing he made with Charlie Sheen? Men at work. Men at work were their trash guys. Right. They're garbage men who, who happened in murder. I'm kind of in on that movie. Right. It's not bad.

It actually is not bad. That's not a bad movie. That's like an Elmore Leonard movie. Estevez is like low-key, he's secretly talented. I mean, it's not a secret anymore because he made that thing that you sort of brought up. I actually like the Mitchell Brothers movie at Showtime, the two porn guys. Right. That movie was good.

He's good. But the thing that I find fascinating is that we spent eight years, like fetishizing, romanticizing, pinning up, you know, guys who aspired to be rinked. And there was a whole bunch of movies with young kids. Secret of My Success. I mean, Michael Keaton himself is, I mean, or Alex Michael Keaton from Family Ties, Michael J. Fox. One of the most popular sitcom characters of the entire 80s. How many Emmys did he win playing that character?

Oh, yeah. There was this, and Matthew just seemed like he was one of these people too. You know. Well, there's also like a political neutrality on the other side of it, right? Because you were either Republican or you were nothing. I don't feel like in the 80s, I remember. I remember people putting like Smith's quotes in the yearbook or maybe the cure and joy division or they were hippies and they really liked, you know, cream and the dead.

But there wasn't a left in my experience. A modern present. Yeah, because it was like Mondale. Think of the leaders we had at that point. It was Mondale. It was Michael Dukakis. Yeah, there was no. Jesse Jackson.

At least not in high school. I'm sure in college it felt that way. In high school, there wasn't like a reason to raise. We forgot an Estevez movie. I know we should shout out. Steakout's a fucking good movie. Oh, yeah. And he grew a mustache for that, make himself look a little older.

Estabez had a good career. It is a little, that movie. If you watch it. You should watch it now. Is it complicated? It's complicated. Oh, interesting. Oh, because it's a lot of like stalking the woman.

They're just sitting there watching Madeline Stowe. Yeah. Which, I mean, nobody should objectively object to. I haven't seen in years. It's called Steakout and they aren't kidding. I mean, here's thing. Steakout. That movie was so successful.

They made a sequel. They made Steakout too. Another steakout. More were we watchable scenes. Bender versus Andrew when they finally, when it's on, I just want to say two of my buddies in high school, Jim Grady, Adam Gibbons, and we would just say breakfast club lines to each other, like, just to be funny. And this had some classic, including, if you weren't in school right now, I'd waste you.

Can you hear this? You want me to turn it up? Oh yeah, that was... He'd been waiting all morning to say it too. So good. I've been telling that to my son since he turned three. Two hits. Me hitting you, you hit the floor.

This movie is just like a cliche, fight cliche machine for three minutes. I mean, that was a thing people were saying, right? Because I had never heard it before that movie, and I was suddenly aware of every time somebody was trying to get out of it. of a fight, they'd say that I'd never heard it before breakfast club. But when we were saying it, we thought this was like openly ridiculous and funny. So, I mean, there's a lot of unintentional comedy in this movie. But there was like, I don't want to get into this man.

That's one of my favorites. I do remember a couple of times when I was a kid, like situations where there would be like a fight about to happen. And the guy who had been instigating it, but then obviously didn't want to do it, it would be like, I can't fight you, man, because I might have to go to juvie. You know? I can't go back to juvie I can't go back

Okay I know where you went to school I don't think anybody No no I was just more like in the neighborhood Yeah I'll tell you this Can you hear this

You want me to turn it up Led to just three years of middle finger jokes When I was in high school I'd be in the back of math class The gym grader Down Yeah we'd just like throw it up

Be like All those We had like 20 of them All from this movie So yeah that was I don't think Between the lines I've never given.

Oh, wait, I've got a line. My son loves us. I need you to translate this. I did write down, I don't want to get into this, man. I don't want to get into this with you, man. Why not? Because I'd kill you. It's real simple.

I'd kill you, and your fucking parents would sue me, and it'd be a big mess, and I don't care enough about you to bother. I'd kill you and your fucking family would sue me. Because that's all that would happen. Yeah. You'd get sued. You're a new maxi-doo-doo-z-weeby?

No, Nibo Waxy Doom Zweeby. What is that? We're going to get to it because I have a piece about that. Next scene. Bender doing impressions of Brian and then his own dad. Here's my impression of life at Big Brie's house. Son? Yeah, Dad.

How's your day, pal? Great, Dad. How's yours? Super. Say, son. How's your? How'd you like to go fishing this weekend? Great, Dad.

Including P.B. and J with the crust cut off. And then him reenact. Oh, you want to see a scene in my house? No, Dad, what about you? Fuck you. No, Dad, what about you? And Judd Nelson just going to go for the Oscar? I think he thought he was going to be the Oscars nine months later.

And then, like, and Judd Nelson. And that was the clip there. He should get an Oscar for the amount of jackets he wears in this movie. I mean, it's, he was, like, for some point four. It's a flannel, a jean jacket, and a trench coat. What time of the year do we think this is, like, February? I would say like... After Christmas break.

Is it after Christmas? I think so. Okay. Because there's no, there's no decorations up. So I feel like it's like a drab part of the year. It could also be November, early November. Yeah. It feels like fall to me.

Next, we watchable scene, Bender versus Vern and the principal. When he says, you'll see how funny when your pots on fire in your locker and Bender goes, it's impossible. It's in Johnson's underwear, which it was. John Euse was really funny. He had great one-liners. But it leads to Vernon bringing him into the closet and really threatening him and doing the,

I'm going to be there. But someday, man, someday, when you're out of here and you've forgotten all about this place and they've forgotten all about you and you're wrapped up in your own pathetic life, I'm going to be there. That's right. And I'm going to kick the living shit out of you, man.

I'm going to knock your dick in the dirt. I'll give you the first shot. You're a gutless turd. All that stuff. That's really intense. It kind of breaks Bender. Yeah, Bender is definitely like, oh, shit. I definitely went too far on this.

Because he does the whole like, nobody's going to believe you thing. Well, there is this weird tension between them being kids. I mean, it was like watching it now, there are these moments where you are allowed to remember that what you're watching is a bunch of, what should be a bunch of like 15, 16, 17-year-olds. And that was a moment where like,

anytime an adult gets real, like, serious and violent with you, you do, you're sort of like, oh. That would happen whenever I got yelled at by my friend's dad. Yeah, yeah. It's not your parents. I was just like, whatever my parents said, but my friends, I would like, shut up back there. I'm like, okay.

Shit. Yeah. It also has the meanest, the meanest line in this whole movie when he says in front of the other ones. Do you think he's funny? You think this is cute? You think he's bitching?

Is that it? let me tell you something look at him he's a bum you want to see something funny you go visit john bender in five years you'll see how goddamn funny he is because it's true

in five years he's going to be a complete fuck up he'll probably be in jail one of my favorite parts about this movie that I noticed on this rewatch is just for as talky as it is how much stuff gets communicated in between lines and how much stuff especially in the beginning when they're kind of all still feeling each other out.

There's a lot of like cutaways to like stolen glances at one another, like where you can see that Claire is excited that Bender is ragging on Andy. Or you can see that like Ali Sheedy has noticed that Brian is saying, like they'll do these little reaction shots where you can see like, oh, there's, it's not just Andy and Claire are on one team and Bender and Ali Sheedy and Brian are on the other team. It's like there's a lot of like cross relationship stuff building. in this really subtle nice way.

I really like that because one of mine is like the social clubs conversation. And they all do that in that scene where they change sides like four or five times. One part when Bender's making fun of Brian about the PBJ with the crust cut off and it cuts to Estevez and he's laughing because it's funny. And then he kind of looks over at Brian and he sees Brian's feelings. You're starting to get hurt and you can see kind of his face shape. Yeah. As I look like, you should probably do something.

But that's a good point. Can I say something about when we're talking about these, we're still in rewatchable scenes, right? Yeah. I just want to go back to something you said about they're really not, like, it being sort of one big scene. And the problem that I have watching it now as an adult is there's, Bender A is a terrorist.

Yes. Can you save this for what's age the worst? Oh, I've got other things. But wait, I just, if we're going to criticize Bender, we have a category for that? But it's just, I just, I just, My only reason to bring this up is not for any sort of ideological reason. It's just to say dramatically, he does all the talking for like 40 minutes.

He does everybody's reacting to him, which is, I guess, like, a thing that an asshole bully like that would want and need. But there's something dramatically to me a little one note about it because he is a one-note character. And all of his notes only bring out one note and all the other characters for too long. By the time you get to the last 25 minutes, all this great music is going on among the five of them. But for 40 minutes... Right. I don't need that much of him.

Two more rewatchable scenes. Everyone getting high. Yeah. When Anthony Michael Hall, who is legitimately funny, and you had in 16 candles, he's funny. We can save this for later, I've got.

In vacation as Russ, a.k.a. Rusty. He's going to pour good with Chevy Chase. Like, he's genuinely funny in that. And I think he's funny in that scene, too. that also has the crazy dance scene, which we're going to talk about later, but I actually also enjoy. And then finally, this is my pick for most rewatchable scene. It's basically, it shifts seven different times.

I would describe it as the Larry Lester speech, followed by Brian's confession, followed by the lipstick trick, followed by Bender Rilling into Claire, followed by Brian asking if they'd still be friends after this was all over, followed by everybody shitting on Claire because she says no. Followed by Brian talking about pressure. You don't think I understand pressure? Do you? Do you know what I need to get in here? Followed by Ali Shitty admitting she's in there because she had nothing better to do. I think that's one of the best 15-minute stretches of any 80s movie.

That's the end of the movie, too. I mean, it's like everything had been building up to these people doing what you said, Chris, which is basically switching sides. And they do it like three times in that. It's a really, it's a really, well, like, refined scene. The writing, I don't know how many passes it took him to get to that point. Well, they did apparently, I don't want to step on half-fast, but a lot of ad-libbing.

And there's a lot of... There were a lot of drafts to the script. So there's, like, the first one, and then there's, like, the one that they were about to shoot, and then they went back and pulled a lot of stuff out of the... So this scene has... The Lester speech, Estevez is awesome in that. All I could think about was Larry's father and Larry having to go home and explain what happened to and the humiliation.

Fucking humiliation he must have fell. It's actually a really good speech. Yeah. I think about the humiliation. The fucking humiliation he must have felt. He must have been unreal. He's really going for it. He really is.

And then a little acting class to me. I just enjoyed it. I like when he took it two notches above. Well, you know what they do in that sequence? It's one of the only times the camera moves. It's like there's a, there's a, There's a tracking shot around. Even behind pillars and stuff.

Yeah. I like Brian when he's like, when I look, step outside myself and I look at myself, I don't like what I see. And while I ring while, it's like, what is it? What don't you like? And then he's like, I'm feeling shop. This is also the scene when you grow up your heart dies. This is also the scene when they get, when Judd Nelson is railing on somebody and he goes, what do you care?

I may as well not even exist. That's right. Because Andy says that to him in the beginning. Like he's filing everything away. He really lays in to Claire at this point with your poor rich drunk mother in the Caribbean. Just bury your head in the sand and wait for the fucking prom.

It just gets harsh. And then Brian's saying you're so conceited. Claire, you're so fully yourself. And then you don't think I understand pressure. Just all the beats in that are tremendous. So that's my vote for most rewatchable that whole stretch. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That's definitely it. That's definitely the best scene of the movie. What's Age the Best? I'm going to start with the fist pump, which apparently Jed Nelson improvised. He was just supposed to be walking through the thing, and he just ended up doing this. And then it just matches perfectly with the,

Don't You Forget about me? And that's like, I would say, one of the most memorable freeze-framed things of the 80s. Mm-hmm. Right? Is there another memorable 80s freeze frame that comes to mind? No. That's the only one I think of it.

Well, there's a lot, though. I mean, that was a move. I don't even think, I mean, he must have taken that from any number of places. I mean, Rambo. Oh, yeah. There's a lot. Mr. Miyagi at the end. Yeah.

The soundtrack, which not only has that simple mind song, but Fire in the Twilight by Wang Chung. Oh, yeah. what's the likelihood I know they're stoned but that just doesn't seem like it's Bender's jam like Bender would be like no I want to listen to

yeah he'd want to listen to bad comedy like me beat Vanifesto or something you know what I mean yeah yeah do you think she wrote that song and they took it

or they told her hey Carla can you write a song that has lyrics like we are not alone and we're really not so different after all she's like right

give me three hours and just does it that way more would say the best. It kills me when Brian gets the boner when he does throw his hat on it. It's hilarious. The hot beef injection

just that he came up with that phrase as well as Neo Maxi Zoom Dweeby the Judd Nelson lingo. This is, this might be my favorite because I got a lot of mileage added over the years when Brian's saying he wasn't a virgin that he's been laid lots of times

by who? and it's like, this girl in the Niagara Fawse area. That just became so legendary. That was like just 15 years of jokes after that. The kid would come back from camp and be like, dude. Camp, I was crushing it. You just be like, what's her name? So much sex.

She goes to school on the Canadian border. The Niagara Fawz area was a running joke for 10 years. An Orthodox Jewish girl. You wouldn't know her. It doesn't have a phone. It's my personal private business. Well, Brian, it doesn't sound like you're doing any business. the uh the uh clare's love of sushi his age the best yeah i love that that was great great little

so gross in 1985 and now it's like all their lunches rule like their lunches are so funny yeah vernon yelling at them and saying i won't be made a fool out of him and turning around he has the toilet paper hanging out of his pants yeah is great that's a low it's a low blow um the what's wrong with you parents yeah what they do to you And then Estabez does the Yeah Yeah Yeah

It just He kills me in this Yeah I The Estabes Anthony Michael Hall Alley Shidi Trio when they're stoned And she dumps her bag

On the couch She's like You never know When you might have to jam Yeah I love that I used that I used the term jam

From like after here Well I heard somebody else say it after her But I figured out it was from that movie Yeah I'm gonna Jam's a verb for me too And then When she's like, my home life is deeply unsatisfying.

And Anthony Michael Hall is like, Andy, you want to weigh in on this whole situation? He's awesome. Ali Shady's entrance post-makeover. I really like when she looks at Anthony Michael Hall and she's like waiting for his reaction. He just kind of like, he's just stunned. And he thinks she's cute.

And she's just like, oh, thank you. But it's a nice moment. Any other what's the best for you? I think just like the archetypes still feel very real to me, even if they have nothing to do with what contemporary high school is. Like, the jock, the burnout, the prom queen, the nerd, and the outcast is really... I'm going with fist pump or Niagara Falls. Niagara Falls is just beautiful.

Yeah. That joke's still going 35 years later. What's age the worst? David Bowie's quote at the beginning, and these children that you spit on as they try to change their worlds are immune to your consultations, they're quite aware of what they're going through. Here's what's age the worst. I used that as my high school yearbook quote.

The Bowler? No. Yeah, I remember. You did? I did. Did you have a high school yearbook quote? I don't think so. No?

I don't think so. I'm sure somebody listening. That quote really resonated with me, man. I don't think I did. I was quite aware of what I was going through. But I actually, whatever it was, it was probably grim. It was probably like judgmental. It was probably mean and angry.

But I don't think I did. I don't think I did. Somebody who still got the yearbook should tell me. I'm wrong, but... The library scene. Which one? The window breaking. Oh, yeah.

That's John Hughes. This is a what's aged worse for John Hughes. Can we save this for... Okay. I just want to say, John Hughes said his biggest regret about this film was using the breaking glass. Why do it? It's an easy cut. But they're going to get in so much...

This is... We got to save that. This is like... Yeah. The dance scene, which I really liked, but then... I don't think Bender joins in under any circumstances. I had a real issue with that. And apparently Molly Ringwild was supposed to be dancing by herself

and felt really uncomfortable. So they choreographed? So they did a choreograph thing. You mean she was supposed to be the only person dancing in that sequence? Apparently. Oh. That makes a lot more sense. That makes sense.

And then it had to ad lib that whole weird choreography. Because that would be her jam. Yeah. Right. Okay. I get it. And she has the most iconic dances from that. She's got, she's doing the Belinda Carlyle.

It's great. Two other words age the worst. I mean, Bender trying to stick his head in Claire's crotch. In 2020, maybe not flying as much. Anything Bender does. Well, then the other thing would be Bender's bullying is, like, he's just a genuinely mean person in this movie. He's a psycho.

Yeah, he's a sociopath. It's like, even what's written on his locker is fucking nuts. Yeah, he's sociopath. What is it? What is on his locker? It's, um, touch this and you die fag. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's it. That's the first thing you see in the movie. That's the first thing. Yes, one of the first, is it the very first thing? Yeah, okay. Pretty much. So I think if they remake this movie, which I'm sure they will at some point. Bender's probably scaled back a couple matches.

No, or you have the Claire or Allison characters be stronger. Do you know what I mean? I just feel like there are a number of moments where the writing just isn't there for either one of them. And, well, Allison doesn't talk until about 45 minutes in the movie. And her first word is vodka. You know? Whenever. That's her second word.

That's another what's age the worst for me, actually, is the whole nymphomaniac thing. It's just so unrealistic. But she makes, but she does make it up. I mean, listen. Yeah, she's biological liar. It's so interesting how, like, remember the, what, what, like, how many lies did you tell when you were that age? Like, even if you didn't admit, like, the ones you knew, once everybody knew were lies. But I was, I was, my issue with it was more, it was so ridiculous.

I can't believe any of them even believed it for five seconds. It was also so much of life was unprovable back then. Right. You could come back from summer break and just say whatever you wanted. Me and Dwight Gooden were hanging out this summer. I did a boss. Everybody did something like that. Everybody did something like that.

Yeah, Walter Payton just showed up at the movie. You know, where I worked in. It was just amazing. And they're like, but he would have been in Chicago. It doesn't matter. Yeah. He came to Philadelphia. Now you would have taken an Instagram picture and commemorated.

Yes. Yeah. People wouldn't believe there was. Casting what ifs. Molly Ringwild was supposed to play how he was she'd his character Can we want to talk briefly before we do to casting windows? We should mention this is like the what age

The worst stuff is just people should check out the Molly Ringwald piece that she wrote for the New Yorker It was really interesting in her terms of like Her it's like basically her deciding whether or not to like show breakfast club To her kids and she goes back And like she kind of like

And she kind of like And just thinks a lot about like You know the just her relationship to Hughes And like the complicated nature It's a very beautifully written Thoughtful honest, complicated assessment of both her relationship to him and our relationship to him and her. And really, it's one of the best things written about this annoying but important question about

what you do with the art of people who did bad things. Or like, not in John Hughes's case having done bad things, but like, what do you do with the bad work that people do? Like all of the sort of racist and misogynist jokes he was writing at National Lambe. Poon and like some of the racist and sexist things that are in the movies. Some of which she is a part of or that come at her expense. There's a great bit where she talks to somebody else who is in 16 Candles. I won't ruin it.

It's worth reading. It's a wonderful, wonderful piece. The other thing I would say about... I feel like 16 Candles is way more problematic. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That movie is like... I've watched all of these movies with my kids.

And that one, I think hit my daughter way, way kind of harder and just being like, why would, the underwear thing? The breakfast club, they're just like, they know it's set in the 80s. I think part of it is, you know, if you have kids and you watch movies like that, you know it's a different, different era, different everything. And rules were different back then. And stuff happened that maybe everybody wasn't crazy about looking back. Right.

And you just have to judge that within the context of the decade. Sure. Even Bender's Locker. That would never happen now, but in 1985, we didn't blink that that was on his locker. It wouldn't stay there that long. It'd be a thing somebody else did to Bender's locker. It also had a guillotine inside.

That's the goonization of like that sort of contractionization. But the thing is, though, I want my daughter to see that stuff. I want her to know what life was like in 1985. And it's like, you know, it was flawed. That is why Molly Ringwald watched it. That's part of the reason she watched it with her daughter. One thing I would say humorously that is aged the worst is boredom. Like, the idea, like, I, there was so many moments where I almost said out loud,

just pick up your fuck. Oh, right. And I, I mean, I was there. Yeah. It's also so funny because they're, like, literally in a library so they could just, like, read anything. And then the only time they do is when they destroy the copy of Moliere. It's a real, it's a really. Molié really gets my nats.

Casting what ifs. Ringwell. of us supposed to play Allison was really upset because she actually wanted to play Claire. Hughes initially didn't want her to play Claire because it was too close to the 16 Candles kind of character, but they ended up happening. Robin Wright.

They made her a star though. Like if she hadn't, if she had, if they had switched parts, it would have, it would have broke the continuity of the Molly Greenwald persona. And therefore, can I give you three names to audition for Claire? Okay. Robin Wright.

Oh. Jody Foster. Oh, what? Laura Dern. Oh, my. Mascarer Laura Dern. Hmm. Interesting.

Robin Wright would have been interesting. Robin Wright, who is one of the most beautiful people of the 80s. I actually think she would have been too beautiful. I think Claire needs to be a little bit flawed. Physically? I just think Robin Wright's so beautiful. She overpowers the movie. Yeah, but Princess Bride.

She's like one of the most beautiful people that's ever been in the movie. But Molly Ringwald, I mean, it's funny because like Molly Ringwold's story about John Hughes casting her. He cast her. He was looking at headshots to make this movie apparently and saw hers and was like, I, there's something about you that makes me want to write a movie around the person that you seem to be in this photo or whatever. And so he wrote 16 candles before he met her.

It's a little strange. And like you read. But that's how it worked back then. No, but I mean, you read this stuff. She started dating Anthony Michael Hall during this movie. And when Hughes found. out about it, their relationship was never the same, which is weird. I didn't really understand that one.

This is Molly Ringwald saying that. Right. Not that. They definitely had this like mentor, mentee relationship. That was pretty intense. And then it went sideways. Emilio Estevez originally was going to be John Bender. And Hughes couldn't find Andrew the wrestler and ended up switching it. Because Tom Cruise wasn't available.

Tom Cruise would, I mean, he would have tipped the back. I guess at that point he would have been. Yeah, because that's after. I think that happens. Yeah. But Tom Cruise would be the perfect person to not to play that part of it. If F-S-FAS couldn't do it. Nicholas Cage was considered for John Bender.

Probably too heavy. That's too much. Yeah. That just tips this. I mean, it would have been a much better performance. The other one is the big, big what-if, though. Cusack and Judd Nelson are the finalist for Bender. Oh, my God.

He was originally cast Cusack and then replaced him with Nelson because he didn't feel like Cusack was threatening enough. Right. That's a different. That's bad, cack. It's a totally different movie if Kuzak is Bender. Right. But what do you think is different?

He just plays it more sensitive. He's incapable of being like that threatening. He couldn't have been imposing. I agree. Rick Moranis was originally cast as the janitor, but left due to creative differences. I love this. You think he was like, I want Carl to have like a kind of deer hunter element to the character. Can I have some more Carl scenes?

This is, this blew my mind. Anthony Hall, after this movie was offered the. lead part in full metal jacket before Matthew Modin and withdrew from consideration after protracted negotiations between his camp and the director Bogdown. Anthony Michael Hall

in full metal jacket. No comment? I mean, all the comments. What are we doing full metal jacket rewatchables? Him and Vietnam, I'm going, you don't think I understand pressure? You know what I did to get here? Listen, but you know what?

I mean, maybe this is too soon, but I would just say, I mean, I will, like, Bill, what does that say? Anthony McAhal is an actor. I agree. Like, he's good. He's the, he is the person that by the time this movie is over, if I'm a director, casting agent, person who likes movies, I want to see what that guy does. Yeah.

He is the person who understands, like, there's something. I mean, they're all natural in their way. And I think Molly Ringwald, of the five of them, Molly Ringwald is the one that I would, I want to see. be a movie star because she is one. And Anthony Michael Hall is the person that I really would try to see what he couldn't do. So two things happen that interfere with that. One is he's getting typecast as the nerd, which he doesn't want to be. So he makes, first he goes on Saturday Night with Downey.

They do a whole year in SNO, which is crazy because he was like 18. Then he makes that movie Johnny Be Good, the sports movie. Where he's the high school star quarterback because he's so desperate to break out of this nerd thing. Wait, is that... With Thurman's in it? I remember that, but I thought... I thought that's not about Robert Downey Jr.

No, that's about Anthony Michael Hall. I don't remember it that way. He's the James Vanderbyke and Varsity Blues character. I don't remember it that way. So then, and then he made one other movie where he's... He's like on the run. People are trying to get... Oh, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, out of bounds.

Out of bounds. Out of bounds. Out of us. Yeah. And not to be confused with the John Cryer movie. Um, oh, sure. But then he basically misses his moment. And the interesting thing about that is, like,

I had Anthony Michael Hall season tickets. So I saw Johnny Be Good. I saw out of bounds. I was like in. And then I remember he shows up in Sixth Degrees of Separation, which I think was 93. And he plays the kids, Donald Sutheran's kids, their gay friend from college who got to know Will Smith's character.

And he's really good in that movie. It's really good. And he's been good in a lot of stuff, but just he was in, they did the day. Dead Zone. He was the star of that. He was really good on that show. Yeah. Yeah. I wish we could reset his career and

do some stuff over. I think he's got some lost decades in there. Yeah. I mean, he's talked about this. I mean, didn't he have some trouble? Yeah, I think he did. I feel like... He was... Great. Cocaine was everywhere, I'm sure. He was... I mean, of those five people, he might have been the most talented of the five. I agree.

I agree. Either him or yeah, I don't even know who those. Well, Ringwald, but... I think Shedy... I like Shedy. Sheedy. Sheedy had something about the way she looked at characters in the item. One of these people had like the straight shot. Like everybody here like takes 10 years off or has like a weird, weird run.

Like, I mean, it really is a testament to just how fucked up fame is for people at age, you know? I liked, I mean, Ali Sheedy was my favorite at the time of the five. But she's pretty much like, high art. What else has she been in since then? Made, well, short circuit. That's right. I mean, like, she did have a run. Yeah.

Short. Guys, let's not forget about Oxford Blues. That's a good movie. Oh, my God. Oxford Blues is flat out a good movie. First of all. You seen Oxford Blues? No.

The best rolling movie of all time? Oh, yeah. Mark it down. But you know what? You brought up Caruso. Yeah. Do you know that he actually did play Judd Nelson's dad in Blue City? In 1986.

Oh, yeah. Do you remember this? I remember Blue City. I don't remember the dad part. He, I believe David. Caruso is Judd Nelson. The movie's terrible. But Ali Sheedy, Judd Nelson, in love.

And I believe David Caruso is the dad. Yeah. We got to keep going. We're off pace. Some quickie cats. Actually, let's take a break. Let's talk about Sonos. Maybe the Breakfast Club.

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Back to the breakfast clip. All right, come back, some quickie categories. Best That Guy, A.K. The Joey Pants Award. There's really only Paul Gleason or John Capulis. I think you gotta go Gleason. Gleason. Paul Gleason.

Clarence Beaks, right? Is it Beaks or Deeks in trading players? Clarence Beaks. Beaks. The Vincent Hanna, they new award for Best Overacting. This is tough. Everybody gets their turn. Well, it's only one.

There's only one. Nelson. It's just now, Judd Nelson. Really? I'm saying... No, Dad! What about you? You got ugly, lazy, and disrespectful.

Shut up, bitch! Who fix made turkey pot pie? What about you, Dad? Fuck you. No, Dad. What about you? Fuck you! No, Dad!

What about you? Fuck you! Are you sure we don't want to go with? You don't think I understand. I think it's got to be... Fuck you. I think for the no dad, what about you? It just happened.

I mean, it goes on for so long. I loved it. The Deanne Waiters Award. Best heat check. Easily, Carl, the janitor. You guys think I'm just some untouchable peasant, sir? Pion? Yeah?

Maybe so. We're falling a broom around after shitheads like you for the last eight years. I've learned a couple of things. I look through your letters. Look through your lockers. I listen. your conversations. You don't know that, but I do. I end the eyes

and ears of this institution, my friends. I love him. Recasting couch. I wouldn't recast a single part. I would like to see the Cusack version. I would like to see Tom Cruise play. Estabez. I think he's too old. They're at the same age.

But he'd aren't had a risky business. Yeah. That seems... I mean, I'm just... He's like a year away from color or money. I don't want to take anything away from... I'm always from more Cruz. But I would, I would, he's the only person. I mean, they got Estabez rate, like, as close as you could get him to looking like a high school wrestler. Yeah. He didn't look like any of high school wrestlers I knew.

I'd also like to nominate for the role of Vernon, Edward James Almost. Ooh. I think this movie goes whole differently. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny because I do feel like when we talked about casting what ifs and like, what's age the worst, I mean, the, the way. the way race doesn't, the way race both functions and doesn't function in this movie, right?

This is a movie, everybody in this movie is white. That's every Jan Hughes movie though. Right, but there's something about, I think that even this version with nothing but white people in it is more about being, race,

whiteness as a predicament is more, of a thing, right, in this version. And whatever Judd Nelson is supposed to be, I mean, Jed Nelson is just a white Jewish person. But whatever he, whatever ethnic chair he's supposed to be in this movie, like, I don't know if he's like Italian or Polish. I don't know what he's supposed to be.

But he's clearly. Latvian. I mean, whatever it is, I mean, in Chicago is a big deal, right? Like, it is either from a long line of somebody or like a very, short line of somebody. And there's a way that this movie doesn't quite want to acknowledge

or can't acknowledge or doesn't think... I mean, it's 85. It just wouldn't have. But there is a lovable blowhard character that happens in the mid-80s over and over again. Like Jim Belushi in about last night. Same kind of thing where it's like, oh, this guy's an asshole, but I kind of like him.

But he's a sidekick. Yeah, always a sidekick. Yeah, it's like the Paul Rudd-Beverly cop character. He's just like kind of an annoying Thorne in the side. Paul Riser. Frizer. Yeah. Paul Riser.

Some half-ass internet research. Filming took place at Maine North High School in the Plains, Illinois, which had already closed down. They built the library. Benders flinch when Vernon faked the punch was genuine. Apparently, Jed Nelson really thought Paul Glees was going to hit him because nobody liked Jed Nelson. The same setting was used for the interior scenes of Ferris Bueller's Day Off, the high school. Oh. Hughes shot the two films concurrently to save time and money.

The crews were working all along on both. Hughes was disappointed in Nelson because he stayed in character and... Tormented Molly Ringwald off camera. And he decided... What? And decided he was going to fire Judd Nelson and the other actor stepped in and said, no, no. He's actually trying to get into character.

You got... Give him a second chance. Like Ali Sheetty, like, led a... He's Stella Adlerd? Yeah. Yeah. Tough one. So there was a cast reunion for the film's 25th anniversary, and Ali Sheedy revealed that a director's cut existed.

And Hughes is the only one who had it, and then he died, and Hughes' widow is the only one that has it. But it's 150 minutes. And... I'm sure it's... It's twice as long as... A lot of scenes are deleted, including a wacky dream sequence where Ali Sheedy falls asleep.

and a, I don't even know what this means, a much steamier seven minutes in heaven scene between Claire and Bender. Sounds like all good cuts. I think the pace of this movie was an asset. Hughes-based Vernon on a teacher and wrestling coach he had in high school. Nelson.

Oh, Anthony Hall apparently grew as they were filming this. Where they, he was two inches smaller than Nelson and by the end of it, they're in the same size. And they shot in sequence, so I wonder if you go back and look at it knowing that, you can probably see it.

Molly Ringwald and Ali Sheetie both said that there was a Porky-style scene that must be in the director's cut where the boys snuck off to peek in on the high school's synchronized swim team. No, it's Vernon and Carl spy on the teacher swimming naked. Oh, okay, there you go. And Molly Ringwald, it's a script. Apparently, they had cast the part too. Yeah, and then Molly Ringwald got them to write it out of the script.

Yeah, it's a good move. So don't you forget. about me was they approached this guy Keith Forsy to write the soundtrack and then he was inspired by the scene in which Brian asked the group if they'd still be friends after detention wrote the song. They tried to get people to sing it including Brian Ferry and it finally just kind of ended up with simple minds

who just kind of decided to do it. We're crazy about it and it became their most famous song. It's funny because it is unlike, they were kind of a soul band. Yeah. And this is unlike. Scottish fan. Yeah, this is unlike any of their other songs. Yeah.

And this is a song. And like, they can't escape this song. Right. Right. So apparently, Carl the janitor, aka John Capolos, he, um, he had a feud with Estevez. Did you read about this? No. On the film?

Because, um, Estabez and Nelson were, we're trying to make Capolos laugh during some scene there filming. And he got mad and he said, he referenced the real life-hearted track of Martin Sheen by saying they would have been great on the set of Apocloops now during his heart attack watching him wince and pain as they goofed around, not realizing Emilio Estevez was Charlie Sheen's son and then there is bad blood. No shit. This is a high-fast.

Annie Leibovic shot the poster? Oh yeah, of course. You know, that poster, can we just talk one second about some important visual things? That poster, I don't know how to explain this because it I mean, there's a number of things that are really powerful about this movie, and they're all visual. And there's a way that, at least for me, as a person who did not identify with any of this stuff in this movie, like, as a kid. Right?

Like, I never watched this and thought, that's me. It was worse than that. It was like, I tried to, like, lay in them. I tried to give my dad some, like, John Hughes teen angst one day. And he's like, no more HBO for you. Yeah. Like, he actually was just like, where's this shit coming from? You're not one of these white kids on TV.

Like, we don't do that here. Like, I didn't do anything to you. Right. I'm a good dad. And I love you. And what, no more HBO? No, you're not one of the white kids in this movie. But there was something about the way that in that moment, in time in American popular culture,

we're just looking at five people. like glamorously arrayed on a on a on a on a set for a photo shoot and to have like one of the one of America's great photographers take their picture it it was like an album cover but a movie poster and there was something about the conflation of those two things that was incredibly appealing yeah it does look like an album cover you're right and this movie was shot by um I'm not going to remember the guy's name Thomas Thomas Duluth maybe Thomas Del Ruth, sorry. He worked in TV.

He shot a lot of TV. This movie does not work with, with, with, like, a more sophisticated cinematatical. Yeah, like with more set up, with more tracking shots and stuff like that. Every single one of these people gets a full on, I can't imagine watching this in a movie theater as like a nine-year-old or like even a 15-year-old. Like, each one of these characters gets so much. many great close-ups. And they're not sophisticated. Like, there's not a lot of lighting going on.

It's just, they're beautiful. And each one of these guys gets many moments to, like, to not act in the close-up, but to just be the way a movie star would. And it's, it's just, I mean, it is such an icon of, uh, what I mean, the 80s iconic. No, no, no, no, it's like, um, it's creating iconography, right? Like, these people are being consecrated by this very simple photography style. And then D.D. Allen edited it. And, like, I think a lot of the magic of this movie also comes from what...

All those reactions are from the cuts. From her, from her editing. Yeah. Three more. The dandruff from Ali Shidi was achieved by Parmesan cheese. Yeah. That was her actual dandruff, I would have probably. Just love her all the more.

The, uh, in the beginning of the movie, you can, see what the flare gun did to Brian's locker. And you can see they show Man of the Year and it's Carl the janitor is the man of the year. And then one deleted scene they have with Carl where he predicts where the five kids will be in 30 years. He says, Bender Wolf killed himself.

Claire will have two boob jobs and a facelift. Brian will become very successful but they have a heart attack due to the stress of a high-paying job. I also will be a great poet but no one will care and Andrew will marry a gorgeous airline stewardess who will become fat after having kids. Oh my.

That was the whole scene. That's the deleted scene? Yeah, they decided to take that one out. Apex Mountain, Molly Ringwald? I say yes. Probably, yeah. Yeah. Jett Nelson?

I say yes. Yeah. Anthony Michael Hall. No. What do you think is Apex Mountain? No, no, no, no, let me rephrase that. It is his Apex Mountain. It is because it leads to weird science.

And he could have done full metal jackets. And he could have done full metal jackets. Yeah. Allie Sheedy. I would say sent almost fire for her and Amelia Westvis. Yeah. But you guys see. But you guys see. She's made to order.

Not a great movie, but she's really good at it. Also, high art, that's her. I mean, higher, but that comes at the end of the career kind of, or like the third act of the career. She's good and bad boys, too, with Champagne. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

She had a nice little one. She had a nice little 82 to 85 run. John Hughes. I would say Ferris Bueller. I think Ferris Bueller. Anybody else? I mean, Gleason? Trading places is pretty strong.

Yeah. But, I mean, I think that Molly Ringwald, I don't look at, it's funny, I don't look at the three John Hughes movies as being separate. I look at them as being one work. Yeah, right. And like Godfather one, two, and three. Oh, no, bad example. Like, I can't think of another star whose stardom existed for such a brief period of time, but was so important.

Yeah. Right. And because, I mean, even, I mean, do you guys actually see fresh horses? I think I saw it once. Because I went and it's kind of like White Angel Heart. It's like they can't do any of the things

that they asked poor Lisa Bonnetta do in that movie. Molly Ringwald is like meant to imply she did in this one. But that's the sort of thing where like White Angel Heart.

Jesus. One bad movie kind of ruined, like didn't ruin everything. Yeah, you lose momentum. But she went from there to Betsy's wedding, which is a movie I love.

I don't know if you guys have seen it recently, but it holds up as a very good. Anyway, picking Nets. Yes. Can we just,

can I, can I bet lead off here for picking Nets? God. They're fucking expelled for what they did to that library and what they did

to school property. Ding, ding. And it didn't really occur to me before, but first of all, they hotbox half half to school. Yep.

Nobody smelled that weed. I can't believe that. It's not like they're smoking out the window. As soon as they walk out, their parents are like, you reek of pot. What the fuck happened in detention today? Yeah, yeah. Second of all, he destroys that little booth where he shatters the glass with his voice.

Right. So you've got broken glass everywhere. Lunch meat on a statue. The ceiling. The ceiling has been destroyed. The ceiling is collapsed. It reeks of pot on a Saturday. Ripped up books.

Ripped up a copy of Moliere. The library door no longer opens. And the library door no longer opens. And he probably destroyed all those magazines. I mean, there's all kinds of things he beats Bender beats up. Yeah. So you think when he says I'll see you on Monday, when they get there on Monday, they're actually going to be like, you guys are all expelled?

I think that there's a, like, first of all, first of all, Vernon's fired because it's just like, so you were 15 feet away and they turned this into a kiss concert? Like, what happens? You heard. Yeah, I 100% agree. He's like, look, man, I was downstairs with Carl the janitor who were having beers. I didn't realize what was going up.

And I threatened to beat up a kid. And in the meantime, like, smoke a eighth of weed and like shatter glass. The only thing missing was some sort of somebody getting pregnant during the seven hours. I think they hit every other checkpoint. I mean it's just like the shattering of the glass was

well the lunch meet on the statue was when I was like I don't think we need too. And not even offensive. It's just like okay why. Yeah. Just why? So I have for along those same lines I just feel like Vernon's checking on them more than three times over

the last seven hours they're there. Also if there's only five of them, he could have put them in another room. You know what I mean? Where he's like, well, the door closed, I guess I'm out of this. And he could just put them in another room. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it would have been easier to keep that door open. Why did all them have to go to Bender's locker to get the pot? Maybe just two of them could have gone?

I'm not sure why all five were involved. But see, there are weird things in this movie that make a cut for all the things that don't make sense. It's far for a movie. Like, it's not for real life. No, no, no, no. I mean, but like, think of all the stupid errands you went on with your friends just because they did. Oh, yeah. I want to go get gum.

I'll come. I mean, just like that to me, that was a weird errand that just made sense. Okay. Yeah. The dance scene, I'll never understand for the rest of my life. Even by 1985 standards when the wheels were just off in 90 different ways, what made everybody go, you nailed it, Emilio? That's a print. I want to see the other takes.

I was thinking the same thing. That was the one. When you did the pommel horse and the library shows. That was it. You nailed it. The funny thing is that, it's like in high school or in school, I just remember, like, that would not have been, like, considered cool. It wasn't cool in 1985, I'm telling you. He's, like, you know, like the prom king quarterback. He's like, I have this amazingly physical, tumbling routine that I'm going to do.

I wonder if footloose was responsible for some of that, too. And MTV, yeah. I mean, footloose is 83. Yeah, I wonder, but that particular, just the Andrew, just his, just his, just his CETV. sequence? Top Gun's 84 or 86? 86. So it's after. Because I was going to say Top Gun also has like a basically like a lot of musical interludes like they sing but there's also just like montages of them getting ready to do stuff. The volleyball is essentially like a music video. But this that that you guys are already doing better than Amelia West ofez. It's just oh Bill you're not. You're up there. You're getting it. You're getting it. You're getting a stroke. Oh wait. But that's the that's the wrong song. No, I'm just I want to. Okay. we are not alone. I don't have the other one. Anthony McGill,

throwing records, just destroying vinyl. This is called Dream montage. I don't know where this came from. This is probably when they made dreams sequence. Oh,

this is it. This is it. This is it. This is it. This is very footloose. Amelia. I'm just saying, I feel like they were going

for a footloose thing with Amelia. I don't think, what is we used the library shows as a pommel horse? He's like, yeah,

I'll do it. Yeah. Meanwhile, he's not really, whatever. Okay. Listen, we've picked all the other nets. I can go to Best Quote.

We've mentioned a lot of them. I really enjoyed, does Barry Manelow know you raid his wardrobe? Yeah, I got a question. Does Barry Manelow know that you raid his wardrobe? Give you the answer to that question, Mr. Bender, next Saturday. Don't mess with a bull, young man. You'll get the horns. So it's sort of social, demented and sad but social.

What do you guys do in your club? In physics, well, we, uh, We talk about physics, properties of physics. So it's sort of social, demented and sad, but social, right? Yeah, well, I guess you could consider a social... The chicks that can't hold the smoke. We're all pretty bizarre. Some of us are just better at hiding it, that's all.

Okay, fine, but that doesn't make an A-Less bizarre. What's bizarre? We're all pretty bizarre. Some of us are just better at hiding it, that's all. That's another good high school yearbook quote. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? I'm going to go, no. Well, it would just be a series.

It would just be like, and maybe, yeah. These kids, it would be interesting to watch a 10-episode show about the day after, when they get expelled. Yeah, they all have to get jobs. I wonder, I was thinking about this question, and my answer is reality television, not scripted television. Like, cheer? And you, well, where you have a different detention every week. Just five different kids? It's five different kids.

So it's like that weird show that the, what was that HBO show where each episode they were in a hotel room? Oh, Room 108 or whatever? Yeah. And it's like each time there's two new guests. Yeah. But I think it's more like group therapy, right? We're like you get the kids in detention to wind up doing the kind of therapy that those guys do. And each episode, they have to do a choreographed dance almost or less they don't get out.

Yeah. I don't know. I just feel like you could do a version of this, but you couldn't script it. I'll tell you this much. I would give it a chance. I'd watch the first episode. Yeah. I know my daughter would watch it too.

Probably in answerable questions. What's going on with the flare gun in Brian's locker? Is there like a whiff of like a school shooting type of flat there? What's going on? For sure. Is this like the early stages of what would eventually, not to get all morbid here, but bringing a gun to school? First of all, you're kicked out now.

Oh, every time. Yeah. The flare gun, I'm just not sure what his intent was. Was he going to use it on himself? That part was really ambiguous. Yeah. But he's also, he doesn't know what he's doing. Was he going to go after the teacher with it?

No, I think it was like a, I think it was like a cry for help. Yeah. Literally, yeah. I don't, that doesn't make sense, but it doesn't make sense. Again, it's another thing that doesn't make sense in the context of a, like, it doesn't make sense, but it makes sense for him. Yeah. Is this the official beginning of Claire just having bad choice in men for the rest of her life? Hmm.

Like this is like So when did it start, Claire? You've been divorced three times. You haven't seen your kids in three years. What was the tipping point for you? I love a guy with cigarette burns on his arm. Well, I met this guy John Bender in detention. I have a weirder question.

Yeah. Do you notice where they make out at the end of the movie? In front of her dad. What the F! Yeah. Would you ever? You can say it. What the fuck?

Yeah. That great. Yeah. That was. That was. And she gets right in the car and the car just takes off. Also, I'll tell you this. you another thing. Wait, I mean, if I'm Brian and Andy and Bender are making out with Allison and Claire and I'm writing the essay? I know. I know. But welcome to nerddom now, right? I know. I mean,

that's just kind of how it works. Yeah, pretty soon they'll all work for him anyway. Yeah, exactly. If I was Claire's dad, I would have run over Bender with my car. Well, he almost does get run over in the opening sequence by Allison's car. Chris, this question's for you. What was the ending to Bender's blonde joke? A footlong salami and a poodle puts them both down the bar And the bartender says So apparently there was no ending

He just did the be He didn't know what the end he was That's not a joke I did look for it Where does everyone go to college? Oh, this is a great question Bender no college It's a great question

Brian goes to Northwestern Why do we assume Bender doesn't go to college I think he's in jail in a year? I think his grades are probably We don't know what his grades are probably, we don't know what his grades are actually life. I get the feeling like he's never been, I mean, he's ripping books up. So I don't know that he has a lot of tremendous respect for the academic process. I think Brian probably goes to, I mean, like, what's another like Caltech? Like, what are some...

I was thinking Northwestern or he goes to, like, Berkeley. Brian goes to Berkeley. I don't know. Somewhere where... He goes to Purdue. He goes and wrestles at Purdue. Claire probably... He's on a scholarship track wrestling. He's like a star wrestler. Andrew? Andrew. Andrew goes to like Michigan State or... Yeah, Purdue. He's definitely a big time. Purdue, we're going to Purdue. Purdue would be good for him.

Claire, is she like Wesleyan? I was thinking she's like Elon. What? Somewhere like south that's... What's Elon? I don't know. That's where Liz Kelly went. And my cousin Lauren.

Okay. I was thinking she goes south. Like she's some school that nobody in her high school knows where it is. Vanderbilt. She's like, she's going to Harvard or something like that. I think she was smart enough. We don't, but see, this is the thing. We don't, I think she, I don't know.

Or maybe she goes to the University of Miami because their parents are down there? No, no. I mean, she brought. What a great time to go to the U too. Yeah. She catches the whole of turf. She goes to the U. Lanzo.

High School. That's right. I think this is the mid, this is the mid-80s. I'm sure that her, she's a, she's a legacy kid at some elite school. And Ali Sheedy, I think, has a big turn. RISD. RISD. Evergreen.

or Antioch? Kenyon. Kenyon. Kenyon. Kenyon. Kenyon. What does this movie look like in 2020 from a racial, gender, sexual character thing? First of all, let's start here. If it's only five people, how many of those people are white?

I think none. I think that if you're, if you're, you mean, let's, let me like clarify the question. Because I always never, whenever this question comes up, I never know, I can be answered. in two different lanes, right? Does, is this like a remake or is this, is it being made for the, is this like, is John Hugh's writing this for the first time in 2020? So here's the answer.

It's definitely an all-non-white cast. Yes. It's definitely in an inner city school or, or a school that is in a city that maybe isn't like, it's not the beautiful, what's that, what was that Michelle Fiper movie? It's not the dangerous mind school. But it's like an LA school that, you. you have a chance to get out of? I think, no, I don't think it can be LA.

I think it's really important that it's like a... So Chicago? Like something of like either like a Midwestern city or a suburb. Yeah. So Chicago? Yeah, I also think that the monoracial aspect of it is an important aspect of the movie success. So you would go all white people again? Well, no.

I'd go all black. I'd go all Latin. I'd go all Chicano. Like just like just just just be even more specific. I would be very interested in just seeing different people of one group, just to take an issue off the table or to introduce it in a complicated way. Like the white version of this in 2020 also is complicated, is more complicated. You get your five types and you don't change those,

but then you introduce, you just write it differently so that the problems that arise out of all of these people are kind of connected to its moment in a much different way. I also think you really, you could play around a lot with, like, the gender rules in the, in the group where you could have, like, a lady bender. Right. I mean, I think you mess with the gender. Lady bender. Yeah.

Right. I mean, I've had them. I mean, I won't name her, but, like, I did, I had one. I had two, actually. I think it goes badly, and I think it's way too woke. And I think we end up wishing it never happened. But that's just bad, you're talking about bad writing. I just think they would fuck it up.

I think you're talking about bad writing. I think a good. writer who who... And it could make it just as edgy, yeah. Right. I mean, I just feel like

it could be... Good luck. Odds are 12%. The problem with it is that they would all be vaping and looking at their phones all day long, so it wouldn't be any got... You confiscate the phones.

You keep... Somebody keeps a vape pen, but the phones are confiscated. Who are the movie? Oh. Anthony Michael Hall. Anthony Michael Hall. Anthony Michael Hall.

For sure. On rewatch, for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm voting Jedd Nelson. Yeah, I knew you would. What? Yeah.

Oh, my good Lord. It's so over the top. I mean, I love Molly Ringwald in this movie. Melman gave me a pack of cigarettes. He said, smoke up, Johnny. It's a better fucking day at the Benderhouse. Anthony Michael. No, Bill.

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