The Rewatchables - 'The Devil Wears Prada' With Bill Simmons, Juliet Litman, and Amanda Dobbins

Episode Date: January 4, 2022

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Juliet Litman, and Amanda Dobbins head to the New York City fashion scene for 2006’s 'The Devil Wears Prada,' starring Meryl Streep, Anne Hathaway, and Stanley Tucci, and directed by David Frankel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Who's Miranda? She's the editor-in-chief of runway. Not to mention her pigeon. Work a year for her and you can get a job at any magazine you want. A million girls would kill for this job. Who are you? My name's Annie Sacks Or you don't read Runway

No And before today You had never heard of me No You have no style Or something of fashion Wow You know

That wasn't a question Manda Davins is here Julia Libman is here We've been circling this one for a while I've been circling this for my whole life I haven't seen a look on your face like this ever I feel like we're gonna shoot money at you or something You're just super excited

I'm trying to keep like a low, you know, low expectations. I'm trying not to get too worked up. But it could be said that I've been training my whole life for this moment. Wow. And it's all downhill after this. Wow. Yeah. And Juliet, as usual, just kind of lukewarm and we had to talk her into something.

Unless it's the OC or the three other things she likes, she's never all the way in. That's not fair. I have a lot of things I care passionately about. I like this movie a lot. It's just not one of like my movies. And that's okay because I can support Amanda and her. endeavors without like having to fight for years things. I don't understand it. I don't they're there's, as usual, there's some story and some slate from your past that made you not like this movie.

This movie has everything you like. Two things. I have two theories. Okay. Number one, as we learned with the whole sex in the city drama, which if I may just out you right here. Yeah, we're out. Not a sex in the city fan. Outer. Bill and I were taken aback. We support Juliet always, but we were surprised to learn. So I haven't told you. I'm rewatching it. Yes. I'm in the middle of season two. Okay. I keep falling asleep. You told me that, actually.

Yeah, that shows the answer. What was the other reason? Well, no, so the reason that Juliet is not a sex in the city person is in part because Juliet is a city kid. She grew up in New York. So the whole aspiration of, I'm in New York and I'm in a, you know, bright lights. I'm going to make it. Doesn't appeal to Juliet the way it does to me.

I don't want to speak for you, Bill, but, you know, maybe there is a little bit of romance to it. And the same is true. This Devil Wars Prada fills that role. for me, for sure. I, like, took a job at a women's magazine, basically, because of this movie. So, wow. Yeah, I mean, but in this sense of, I saw it at a formative time and was like, oh, that's what you can do in New York. It's so exciting. And I feel like maybe it doesn't appeal to you. But I don't know, but then why does Julia, like you got male? That's explained that part to me.

I like a very localized film about the Upper West Side, which is, and that's a movie shot entirely from 70 seconds to 90 seconds. Julia, it's just weird. The other reason is because Juliet's nice. That's the other reason. Gillian is at heart a really nice person. And so the meanness doesn't really speak to her. That is true. I'm just sort of like if I was in her life, I'd be like quit this job.

No one should be. I don't know. I don't get it. Well, she should quit this job because she's bad at it. But we'll get to that. Also, she went to Northwestern, which I didn't remember. And I also like, I have, I also went to Northwestern, but I have extreme, extreme disdain for all of the journalism students at Northwestern, which I was not.

I don't blame you, and we've hired a lot of them. The Middildos. They're just like the worst. The Middildos. The Middildos, because they're in the Medill School of journalism. That really makes me happy. Either of you read the book that came out in 2003, three years before this movie. I did not.

Yes. It's definitely not as good. If you read the pieces about the adaptation process, they talk about how they had to throw out essentially half of the book because it didn't have the narrative arc that makes this worthwhile. It's basically a revenge plot for the assistant character. Right. And no one really cares about her.

So four screenwriters worked on this, Juliet. So the film, they get Meryl Streep. Everybody gets super excited. I remember this 12 years ago. She normally does not make movies like this. We're going to talk about her career in a second. The film does great. Mm-hmm.

Makes over $300 million. That's shocking. It's the most successful Meryl Streep normal movie ever. I don't know, Mama Mia might have made more, but that was a musical. I don't count musicals. Musicals are like over there. Into the woods also did well, just for the record.

Again, we do not recognize musicals. I was in the Inno wood soundtrack all the time. Get out of here. On the film's 10th anniversary of the Washington Post, credited Miranda for the female anti-heroine. The rise that would come. Shows like Olivia, Scandles Olivia Pope, Circe in Game of Thrones.

St. Miranda was. the first one. Interesting theory. It's an interesting theory. We'll get, should we get into it an hour later? Well, you can talk about the theory. Okay. Well, the problem with anti, anti-heroine implies that she's wrong. Miranda's not wrong. Miranda's good at her job and just mean.

Okay. So I should be meaner is what you're telling me? I know. Everybody has a different style. It's about finding the style that fits you, which is what this movie's about. So you root for Miranda during this movie? Oh, 100%. percent. Juliet? I don't know if I do.

I root for Emily Blunt, really. Well, sure. That's also. I don't know. I think it's just like the best, the best Merrill performances, and we'll talk about that more, are so clearly a character. And I think I don't, like, lose myself in it. But I like her.

Her hair is just incredible. Well, let's talk about Merrill Street now. Okay. It's the perfect time to do it. I think this is my favorite Merrill Street performance. A. And then B, I actually think it's the best Brown Street performance because she's usually at her best playing characters

and throwing herself in and learning accents and doing all these weird wrinkles to it. This is just, I didn't think she could play somebody like this. Well, she kind of starts that phase of her career with this role, right? Right. And then she does Julia Child, and then she does Margaret Thatcher, and then she does the witch and into the woods,

which you guys didn't see, but it was good. And it is like a, it's an inflection point, which I think is one of the reasons why it's like remembered so fondly because it sort of changed her course into a different type of actress. And it was an entertaining movie, which to be honest,

she didn't make a lot of movies you would watch five times. It was not a fun type of actress. It was not a rollicking career. It was not like, hey, I'm going to throw in Sophie's choice again today. That's a movie you watch once. One time. Socoid, you might watch one and a half times.

But you go through her career. I've watched her many times, but everyone else hated it. Well, and Julia likes the river. I love the River Wild. The River Wild. Yeah. And Kevin Bacon.

It's great. But also, I can't watch that too many times. Oh, I've seen it several. I'll never go whitewater rafting, ever. I remember having a surprisingly positive experience with the bridges of Madison County.

Uh-huh. A movie I'd never watch again. But that movie was really sad. But this one is the definition of a rewatchable. You can hop in at any time. I really enjoy street. I like Young Anne Hathaway in a big breakout role. Emily Blunt, who was basically picked out of the parking lot.

Yeah, I'm hearing this, and I want to hear this. Love my job. I had forgotten that this was her first movie because now Emily Blunt is so cemented in pop culture and her career is so established. And also just because she seems so fully formed in this movie that I had forgotten. We'd never seen her before.

It's amazing. That they saw her in a parking lot and heard her talk and asked her to do a reading. Where she was crazy stuff. She was auditioning for Aragon. Yeah. Yeah, well, that worked out for her. Worked out, indeed.

I think the anti-heroine thing is interesting. I wouldn't call Miranda an anti-heroine, not only because she's good at her job, but just mean. But it's also, I think what's different about her is it's like the first, like, quote-unquote, lady boss that people were like, yeah, you go, girl. Like who before that, who were like the great pop culture of female bosses that weren't, like, overly sexual and, like, harassing people at work? So we don't get to count Amanda from Melrose place?

Well, that's why I said the sexual arastic part. Or Valerie Malone, the owner of the After Dark. Oh, yeah. So those were the first two. Yeah. The first two bosses. And Murphy Brown was another. But that was like a very different type.

Susan Day on LA law, I guess, was a high-powered attorney. But like. There were a lot of great female parts for years and years of years. Yeah. The professional woman was like much more Allie McBeal leading into this movie. Or working girl. Right. Or Melody Griffiths and you're also a jackass.

Fantastic movie. by the way. It's the best. That's a good one. That one's age really nice. It's a wonderful portrayal of Staten Island. The hottest Harrison Ford that has ever happened. So I'm not here to say this was the best acting performance because I'm sure somebody

could say one of the other one. She's won three Oscars. 21 Oscar nominations. Yeah. That's kind of staggering. Staggering. That's like LeBron-esque. It'd be like if LeBron played for 15 more years or something.

But the two, I think my favorite performances are this one and Kramer versus Kramer, which as a child of divorce, and that movie came out right as my parents were getting divorced, and I did not have the same situation where my mom just left for five months. But she's just great in that movie, and it's a character you want to just hate and despise, but by the end you feel bad for her.

Well, when I was researching for this, I read an old Merrill interview where she actually compares the two roles. She says, Devil Wars Prada, it's like, this is like the role I played in Kramer v. Kramer, where you're supposed to hate the character instantly. And the challenge for Merrill is to present some sort of humanity or present some reason to actually invest in this truly hateable character,

which is smart and a good way of looking at it. But I also, I know that you love Kramer versus Kramer. I do. Also, you would almost not believe they're the same person. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Because Kramer versus Kramer, she's just like 70s, early 20s. She had a very different vibe back then.

I think about her in Manhattan as well. It's like a small role. but she was steam steal stealer in that deeply weird movie which is also visually stunning but she just was like a different type of energy it did it's like pretty cool how she's evolved over the course of her professional career it's very very difficult to achieve in hollywood as a woman it doesn't seem like she's like out of control fun to work with even even reading the story is like there's some story in hathaway told on a tv show two years ago on a talk show about the scene where they have to drive and the car in Paris. Right. They were filming that for a while. And they were just driving around the same block and they would like, they would just be silence and she would try to make small talk with her.

Merrill would shut it down. Okay. Well. It wasn't, you know, two things about that. Anne Hathaway is a method actress. So maybe she was the annoying one because she was playing her role.

Oh. I say that as an Anne Hathaway fan, but I'm just saying maybe she was being Andy who's kind of annoying. And number two, I think that you just got to get Meryl Streep in the right mindset because there are It's not to keep bringing it up, but there are great stories about Christine Bransky and Meryl Streep, like, partying together and closing down the pubs in London when they were filming Mamma Mia. Really? Yes.

They, like, a great time together. I mean, Christine Bransky does in like a great time, but at least she was able to get it out of Merrill. What do we know about Merrill Streep's husband? He's a sculptor. Here's, can I share a personal story? Please. Only time I've ever interacted with Merrill Streep, I was, I went to a performance of Gypsy when it was on Broadway. like eight, nine years ago.

And I wound up being seated literally next. The seat next to me was Merrill Street. And then she was there with all of her daughters and her husband. They seemed like a very, very happy, close-knit family. They were, she was cuddling with her daughters during intermission, but not in like a gross way, just in an affectionate way. They seemed extremely charming and normal. And like he didn't want anything to do with the spotlight.

Merrill, meanwhile, every single time anyone, in the theater would laugh. You know, there was a laugh line and the whole theater laughs. And then there's a pause. And then Merrill would do her low-thrody laugh that echoes through the entire theater. Yeah, it was just like, I'm Merrill Streep.

And now my laugh will, everyone will take a moment from my laugh. It was great. Yeah, it was very great. But I think the husband, it just hides in the shadows. And it seems like she stayed, I didn't realize she stayed in L.A., basically.

She wasn't one of those actions, like Angelina Jolie, like flying a hungry for a movie and flying, she basically said for her. I don't know how many years. Like, if I do this movie, it's got to be in L.A. Or it's got to be close to L.A. So it does seem like her kids turned out pretty normal.

One one's started last turn. Maybe. Not a Mildo? No. She was in the theater school, which is like very, for actors and actresses, a good place to be. And the other is Grace, who is absolutely stunning. And in one of my favorite movies, Frances Ha. I like them both.

Mamee Gummer should have worked on the Shonda show off the map, but I don't know why it didn't. Yeah. Well, I don't think we're going to see. 21 Oscar nominations again. No. And I think part of it was because there was this 20-year stretch where there were just no good parts for women. Yeah.

So it's almost like she was LeBron in the East just automatically the final four. Yeah, she could drag any movies to the Oscar conversation. Yeah, there's some Oscars that she, or movies that she got nominated for you, were like, oh, really? I'm not sure she needed to win for Iron Lady. No. I think she should have won for this. Iron Lady was one of those consolation.

You've been not. Well, let's talk about that. Yeah. She should not have won for Iron Lady. Right. But she should have won for this. She lost the Helen, Marin, and the queen.

That's a pretty good performance. It's a pretty good performance. It is good. That's quite, by the way, quite a battle. Helen Marin versus Streep with two iconic roles. I'm open to it. I would rather have gone to a street.

The other ones were Penelope Cruz in Valver. Judy Dench notes in a scandal. And then Kate Winslet got nominated for little children, which I did not remember. Anne Hathaway, not nominated for this. She had to wait for Rachel's getting married a couple years later. That's a good movie.

She plays a bad sister. Yeah, she's good in it. Do you think that this movie gets nominated now? Like, they just put it in another. 100%. Well, here's the best, best movie. The Departed one. Babel.

Letters from Iwo Jima. Little Miss Sunshine and the Queen. Kind of hard to believe proud of not get nominated. But I do wonder if there's a rewatchability to it that makes it now that the years have passed and it just has this extra life. I think there's more room for like less serious. movies these days

among Academy voters. Yeah. In the current era, it definitely gets nominated. I remember really, really liking this movie when I saw it. It wasn't like,

oh, the third time. I remember just, I went with my wife and just, we were at the Grove, we were just super happy after it. It's like, well, that's a good movie. Good times.

Yeah. Emily Blunt, not nominated. Not nominated, not known. Bullshit. She's great. Best supporting actress, Jennifer Hudson, Dreamgirls.

That one scene was really good. And I'm telling you about going. Yeah. She's good at it. I'm not mad at it, but, you know. Before we get to the categories, is this one of the 21st century's best movies? I'm just talking about from well-acted, well-done,

resonates, has a shelf life still going on cable all the time, 12 years later, made a lot of money. If you're just like checking all these different boxes of what makes a good movie, it's weirdly in the conversation. It didn't do well from an award. standpoint, but a great star at the peak of her powers, another great younger star in The Rise, and then another younger one, and then Adrian Gryderin. Oh, man.

Are you going to get to him. Am I allowed to even answer this question? I mean, I think we know I think yes. Well, I'm talking. The greatest movie. Yeah. Social network and almost famous and departed. And like there's just certain movies that seem to have kind of kind of kept their steam.

And this is one of them. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't think people expected that in 2006. No, it definitely seemed like a movie for women, but I think one of the reasons is successful is men like it a lot too. Why do men like it?

Like, what's the appeal to you? Emily Blunt, Nate Hathaway. And I like the dynamics and I like people being mean and who doesn't like a makeover soon? Who doesn't like a whole, let's try some dresses on? I have a question for you.

Yeah. Did this movie bring back bangs for the latter half of the decade? Because she has good ones after, she has bad bangs, then she goes to good bang. I think the bangs are always going in and out. Got it.

All right. It's very little to do with movies and everything to do with people breaking up and being like, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to try bangs. It's never a good idea. Yeah. It's never a good idea. Even on Ann Hathaway, I was like, you can do better.

Yeah. The thing about this, and I think the reason that it's lasted, it is very hard to do something as commercially appealing well. You know, and this is, it is the best case version. And obviously it's fun and driven, women driven, and there's a makeover scene. But as you noted, the performances are much better than they usually are in this type of movie. It helps them. Merrill Streep is in it.

But Stanley Chucci and Hathaway, Emily Blunt, it's really stacked. The script sneakily. Grenier. Yeah, this script, no, we're going to talk about that. This script is really smart. Yeah, I agree. And it's so easy to phone these movies in. And you left out, the music is like, none of those songs are an awesome song.

but as a soundtrack, it makes sense. Like, it makes sense that Madonna's Vogue pops up at one point, you know? I'm going to say that soundtrack moment is very good and the rest of it sucks. That's one of my concerns. No, but it feels like the movie. Like, I hear that, I didn't like that.

Suddenly I see, whatever that song is on it. The Katie Tensel song. In this movie, it kind of makes sense. It's like, Ann Hathaway's walking on the street. Katie Tensel had a really big 2006 because she was prominently featuring Grey's Anatomy as well. Oh, yeah. So the double of Greys and Devil Wears Prada

really shot her to fame. I like that the songs sound like they are 2006 songs, except for Madonna Vogue. But that's intentional. It's own important. Whatever. And the other thing with Hathaway, she's very comfortable not

being attractive. And I don't mean like looking attractive. I mean like she's, she'll do the ugly duckling thing. Right. And Rachel's getting married. Like she just looks like a mess the whole time, but it's kind of, she's just cool with it.

I think when you know, I think she's, I don't want to say there's like a bravery to it, but she's just really comfortable not, looking like a polished actress. I too don't want to say there's a bravery to it because I think that she just knows that she's beautiful all the time.

And there's not much you can do to make her like not really pretty. Yeah, but I don't know, those sweaters and the bangs, when she kind of blossoms in the second half of the movie, it was almost more effective. I didn't feel like

it was an actress trying to play unattractive. She has a way of carrying it that you really believe it's the person. She has a certain awkwardness of person, a personality that doesn't really match her looks. And if I look the way she did, I would not feel at all awkward.

I would feel fantastic all of the time. But I know what you mean there is a presence and she's a little uncomfortable. You know what's like when you see like a girl in high school who's pretty but doesn't realize yet and they're still grown in their body. Yeah. She can actually act like that in a movie. Yeah. And carry that sort of whatever. I think also you have to remember she's very young at this point.

she's basically only done Princess Bride and other. Princess Diaries. Yes, sorry, Princess Diaries. And the terrible sequel. Princess Diaries too. Chris Pine is in that, so please have some respect. The Simmons family likes that movie. Not me.

The ladies in the Simmons family. This is her first, quote, grown-up role. So we forget that now because she's become in Hathaway, but I think some of it is also just getting her slides. Do you think she would play a role like this where she, now I feel like she's a famous actress? I'm not sure she throws. caution of the wind like this.

I think the Ocean's 8 role was like in the same vein was like a more grown up version of a similar type. Right. And also like had the same like similar surface frivolity to it. So I think there's so room for her to like have fun. I just swear the Oscars kind of damaged her a little bit. They did for a while. She took such shit for that. But I think Ocean's 8 is a real turning point again for her.

I think the Ocean's 8 performances she is basically getting the Miranda part now. Yeah. Which is fun and she's having a lot of fun with it. All right. Good. Yeah. Because I think she's important. I love her.

I love her. Great actress. And who could have predicted Emily Blunt was going to, like, kind of steal her star a tiny bit? I could after watching this movie. I would argue Emily Blunt might be a more bankable A-list actress. She's certainly done more movies that succeeded. I mean, you know, my super rule is coming. Mary Coffins, Lynn Man Home Miranda, and Emily Blunt.

See it never. I'll be movie theater for the rest of my life. That's a real thing? Oh, it's a real thing. It's in the can. soon. Edge of Tomorrow was like one of the biggest cruise movies of the last 20 years. That's true.

But before that was Adjustment Bureau and there was a real... What about the horror movie that just came out? A quiet place. That's great. She's on the way back up as well. But there was kind of a rocky period. Really? In terms of blockbusters.

Yeah. I mean, not that I'm holding it against her. What was her rom-com? Juliet, queen of the rom-coms? Did she have one? I don't think so. This was it, maybe? Off the top of my head.

I can't... She didn't do like a bride-worse? No, that was in that movie's awful. It's pretty funny. Talk about bad banks. Yeah. Kate Hudson. It's really true.

One of the worst haircuts ever in a movie. She only has, oh, five-year engagement. Oh, yes, that was terrible. Not good. Yeah, that wasn't good. That was tough. But, you know, it was that. And then right before that was Adjustment Bureau,

she had a girl on the train a couple years ago, which was supposed to be her big gone girl moment. And that did not pan out. That movie was quite bad. So if she's in Gone Girl, that would have been fun. She would have been great in it. She would have been really good. I agree.

I don't know what happened to Rosamone Pike. I was buying stock after Gone Girl and she was never seen again. She's made a couple of bad ones. She was in Beirut with John Hamm, which was out for a week. The reviews are pretty good. Yeah. But it's like already on Apple. All right, we should talk about categories.

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All right, back categories. Feel free to throw in some suggestions. Most rewatchable scene. Mm-hmm. She should almost let Dobbins pick. she's going to take any answer that's not her own personally. Here are some of the candidates. Andy's makeover.

Who doesn't like good makeover? Can't argue. I have a note. Yeah. Okay. Initial outfit. Horrible. Like that's just for that first...

With the Chanel booths? Yeah, I hate it. Oh, I like that one. I hate that jacket. Okay. Well, I would wear it. If anyone wants to send that to me, I'm available. Too many studs on it.

The I have to get a book, the Harry Potter book scene. That's my show. Really good. Really strong. bummed out Miranda without makeup. That's the Oscar real moment for sure. Very sad. Very good.

Good one. And then the Paris double cross. Really? She'll make it up to me. So you're kind of heavy on the second half of the movie. No, I love the first half of the movie. I just think some of the stuff for the second half is really good. There are two iconic scenes.

Let's go. Number one is the blue sweater speech. Stuff? Oh. Okay, I see, you think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select, I don't know, that lumpy blue sweater, for instance, because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care

about what you put on your back, but what you don't know is that that sweater is not just blue, it's not turquoise, it's not lapis, it's actually cerulean. And you're also blithely unaware of the fact that in 2002, Oscar de Lorenta did a collection of cerulean gowns and then I think it was Yves Saint Laurent, wasn't it, who showed Cerulean military jackets. I think we need a jacket here. And then Cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers. And then it filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on down into some tragic casual corner where you no doubt fished it out of some clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and countless jobs. And

And it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when in fact you're wearing a sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room from a pile of stuff. Number one, that is just a great Merrill Street putting people in her place scene. I just feel exhilarated every time I watch it. It's like my braveheart speech. Yeah. But also, this means a lot to me. They should play it on the scoreboard during basketball. Like that's.

I'm ready. But also, that scene has kind of, that lives outside the movie now. A lot of people will reference it as this is how the fashion industry works. And it's obviously a simplified version. But, you know, I've had conversation with my in-laws who are lovely people who don't care at all about any of these topics. Yeah. And they cite this scene as like, oh, I know what you're talking about because it's like

the blue sweater and the devil wears Prada. and it has become kind of its own. Okay. Buzzword moment. What was your other scene? The other one is the Stanley Tucci speech. Yeah. Wake up, sweetheart.

This is a place where everyone else dreams to work and you only deign to work. You think this is just a magazine? This is not just a magazine. This is a shining beacon of hope for, oh, I don't know. Let's say a young boy growing up in Rhode Island with six brothers,

pretending to go to soccer practice when he was really going to sewing class and reading runway under the covers at night with a flashlight. You have no idea how many legends have walked these halls. And what's worse? You don't care. Because this place where so many people would die to work, you only deign to work. He's really good in this movie.

He's really good in this movie. So you like the inspiration of the movie for rewatchable scenes. Sure. But I actually think it was funny to watch this now. And this movie came out in 2006 before we, had the concept of, did we have millennials in 2006? No. I mean, we existed. We didn't know what we were. Yeah, but did, did we blame millennials? One of my favorite years, 2006. It was a good one. It was. Did we blame, we didn't blame millennials and their terrible work ethic and their

entitlement and everything yet in 2006. No, we did. Did we? No, we did. No, we did. But we should, we should have. We should have known that the writer's strike was for precursor of what's to come. Why does have good work? I think they're just entitled. I, sure, but the Anne Hathaway character is kind of the proto-millennial. And Stanley Chucci is giving her the speech of, this is a job, you got to, it's, that's what the money's for before that's what the money's for. That's a good point.

And I think it's kind of five years ahead of all of the think pieces about how our generation, I'm a millennial. I don't know why I'm othering them, but about how our generation is terrible and the real way to do a job. So I think that that scene is very smart. All the people read in those pieces are people who are way older than the millennial. It's true.

Much like Amanda in real. life, you like tough love in this movie, is what you're saying. That's true. You like all the tough scenes. You're like, I'm going to teach you a lesson. It's going to be tough, but you're going to be better on the other side. And I'm doing it because I care. Yes. Yeah. That's true. We're really getting a window into your leadership style. Miranda's your hero. Your two favorite speeches are her dressing down people. Well, now we know. But she's right. All right. So what's the answer? Juliet, you're tiebreaker. I like the Harry Potter scene because I like seeing her. be like industrious.

And I love the green dress that she's wearing throughout that whole sequence. I do want that dress. Me too. It's really good. I was like still works. She looks really good. I would minimize the belt.

It's a little large. Yeah. So that was a phase that anthropology I remember really pushed that is now over the cinching your waist. And we've moved back to the shift in the A-line dress. Sure. But it still looks great. Yeah.

You guys might as well be speaking swatily, you feel right now. What's age the best? Dominiz, feel free to throw in your own. Okay. The boss being mean to an assistant plot, it's just great. I'm always ready for it. Also realistic, I think.

Super realistic. It should be a plot on like once a year. Some movies should have it. Have you seen set it up? So no. It's great. But that's the plot, right? Yes, exactly.

It's two assistants. This week. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. Juliet is going to revisit it. I'm going to revisit it. I wasn't giving it my full attention. Right.

Merrill Streep has aged the best in this movie. Merrill Streep's hair. That's true. She looks great. Just stylish and cool and probably her best look. Emily Blunt, breakout role. Anne Hathaway's pre-makeover clothes are really fantastic how they come up with those sweaters and just.

The shoes are really bad. Everything's really smart. Those are Steve Madden-esque loafers. Yeah. Where do you stand on black tides with sling back heels? A hard no. Hard no, because I couldn't believe they'd let her do that in the movie. Yeah.

That was bad. What else has aged the best for you? So one of the things I was going to say was the whole millennial presentation, this idea of how people work at the office in that generation. So foreshadowed the millennial generation. It's very prescient. I'm going to say that Anna Winter's reputation has really aged the best as a result of this because this book was written by a former assistant to Anna Winter, who's the editor in chief of Vogue. And at the time, there was a lot of hand-wringing. It was very mean to Anna.

She was kind of the ice queen. Everyone thought she was terrible. And with the help of this movie, Alison Herman wrote a great piece about this for The Ringer. Because of this movie now, Anna Winter has loved and is really successful. And everyone wants to be like her to borrow a line from the movie. And that was not the case when it came out. I still don't feel it's the case. Yeah, I'm not positive that's the case.

I think more so than at the time. Right. I think it's also like there's just something to aspire to that you didn't know. Even like that's not what I aspire to for women who want to work in media, who want to be powerful, who want to have it influence on both like high fashion and low fashion, high culture and local culture. They know who to look at for that role. And that is Anna Wintor slash Miranda Priestley. So somebody could just do a sequel to this with Teen Vogue, right? Well, I think we learned from the hills that it's hard to replicate the power of Anna Wintor.

At least LaV didn't really bring it in the same way. And Lisa, that was rough. I mean, how do you not fire Lauren for letting her friends into the party, you know? Miranda Priestley would never have stood that. And she would have been out immediately. I think anyone who was in a boss capacity who appeared on the hills came out, came out worse. Who is the other guy who Brent Bowhouse or whatever that guy said? Brent Bolt House.

No longer a part of SBE. I think he got bought out by the other guy. I can't believe it. He seems so stable. What a shock. So the what age the best for me? I don't know. I would just go, the boss being mean to an assistant. I just really, I think this movie did the best version of that that I've seen.

I agree. I think so, too, because if you're able to sympathize with the boss, then they're doing something right. And we are able to sympathize with her at least. The mechanics of the office, all that stuff. What's age the worst? I only have two nominees for this. And we could get into both of them. This seems like the right spot.

One is Adrian Grenier, who's not just a poorly written part, but he's bad in it. He's like Vince Chase. being a bad movie for entourage where he's going through personal life stuff and he's just not good. I never believe that him and Anne Hathaway should be romantically involved. There's no sexual attention. It's just an awful performance. Every scene he's in, he's bad. It's a really bad performance.

I will say that character-wise, I don't think you're supposed to believe that Anne Hathaway cares about that person. It's a really classic college boyfriend that you drag into your early, 20's life. And then you're like, oh, no, this has been a mistake. I should have cut him out. Maybe there are other fish in the sea. But again, he's so bad and they have no chemistry that it doesn't really matter. It's almost like they should have made that character foreign or something to at least make him stand out in some way.

Because the only way he stands out is that one scene, what he's talking about? The balsamic wine reductions. Port wine reductions. Your port wine reductions. Him being a cook is interesting because that is also a little early. were like the food as craft phase. And I think they're supposed to be like both passionate about like their, their crafts or whatever.

And he's not a sellout, but she is. But it just like doesn't, just does not work. Can I also just say I only noticed this on this most recent rewatch. His character works at Bubbies. Yeah. Do you guys know what Bubbies is? Yeah, of course. It was like the original hip tribe, not the original, but.

When Tribeca started becoming kind of a buzzy, annoying place. celebrity, Bubbies was like at the center of that. So it's very funny to me now that he works. First of all, I don't think they have port rhyme reduction on the menu at Bubbies, but anyway. I like that he's always available at night for some reason, even though he's a chef.

They never should have seen each other ever. Actually, their schedules would have worked out well. They both got home at like 1 a.m. Do you think he should have just been in the credits as Vincent Chase for this instead of a jigger dear? They could have made it like part of Entourage Season 6. I'm filming this movie with Anne Hathaway. They made my role.

They would do that now. That's the kind of synergy that would happen in 2018. The other one that has not aged the best. Nigel, the hot shit reporter. Yes. Simon Baker. So, yeah, let's talk this out. I was going to do this in picking nits, but we might as well just go with this down.

I had him an unintentional comedy. Okay. Well, he's on the side of a bus. What writer in the history of New York? Carrie Bradshaw. Because he's only one. It's Carrie Bradshaw. But no real human being writer would ever be on the side of what?

I'm trying to think. Maybe there was a time in 98 when Jay McEnnerney was on the side of a bus. I feel like he's supposed to be Jay McEnnerney. All right. So that's my first question. Set question. What did he cover? I don't know.

What was this beat? Fashion? So a fashion reporters on the side of a bus. I can't name one fashion reporter. It's true. And then he's at all these events and he's this hot shot and he's a handsome dude. Never has a girlfriend. Always available.

Always buying. self ready to hook up with Andy. That is a bad character. But I still enjoy it. It's a fun bad. I think the last part is unfortunately more realistic than. Always available. Yeah.

Never has a girlfriend at every party is available to hit on Andy. I guess when you're on a bus, you don't need a girlfriend. That's why you live in New York and go to parties. Because you don't have, you don't need to or want to have a girlfriend. So do you think he went to Madil? No, no, no, no. He's probably like too cool for that, too suave. North Blastrian's not a cool school.

They made, um, they made the media scene. really cool with that character. There's no real actual human being who has that career. Every movie and TV show about the media makes it seem cool. And then you like join the industry and you're like, oh, everyone here's nerdy. Right. In real life, that guy's in the corner of the party on his phone tweeting about being at the party. Definitely.

And never meets St. Hathaway. Yeah, absolutely. Anything else age the worst for you? I am really anti the soundtrack. I love it. I know. You've probably seen it too many times, though. I have seen it a bunch of times.

It's not very good. And this is part of just a larger complaint, which is that movies targeted to women, including Oceans 8, just always have the most garbage, generic top 40 soundtrack. And it's like they're clearly on a budget. They're not paying enough. They think, oh, if this sounds vaguely like a deodorant commercial, then some people will be happy and see the movie who weren't going to see it before. And I just, you know what, why can't we have the expensive music? That's all I have to say. So when they paid for Vogue, you were excited.

Yes, that's great. It's a great moment. Movies targeted at women. I think a lot of them start with good scripts, but then all the other pieces that go into making like a really high art film, even for mass enjoyment, like Ocean's 11, skimp out on like a great DP, on a great soundtrack, on like really important lighting. Like all of that stuff kind of just like becomes less important when you're trying to market it towards women.

So they have a U-Tosom, but it's like not one. one of the good YouTube songs, City of Blinding Lights. Yeah. Crazy by Alanis Morrison. I don't even know what that song is. It's froze from like that third album. Jumeriqui also is in a great women's movie. Center stage.

And it will never be topped. Yeah, it's the climactic moment of that film. It's incredible. Incredible. Yeah, you've swayed me on the soundtrack. I liked it because it was so distinct to the movie, but you're right. It's distinct because it's bad. I think the Katie Tumsell song is good.

It's a good opening note. and then it devolves. Have you guys seen a lot like love, the lost great movie of the 2000s? Of course. Ashton Coucher. Yes. Wow.

Amanda Pete. And they're driving along to the Chicago song. Yes. That's an amazing scene. That movie has an amazing soundtrack. I would put that soundtrack against almost anything. Amanda Pete's never done a bad thing in her life. That's a really good movie.

That is my wife Carrie Simmons. Yeah. That's in her like Desert Island movie. Was that a Benioff joke? My wife Amanda Pete. My wife Carrie Simmons? My wife Carrie Simmons. Because that's her full name, my wife, Amanda Pete.

It was an unintentional Carrie Simmons joke. But yeah, that is a big movie in our house. She's really good in it, too. I think that's the closest she's come to being what we wanted from Amanda Pete in a movie. She's never totally got there. Which one? I like her in the whole nine yards, a lot. Okay.

Anything else aged terribly for you other than the soundtrack? I had the concept of Adrian Grunier written down, so you covered it for me. That's good. You can have that in there. Juliet? I wouldn't say he's aged. the worst because he obviously went on to be in Mad Men, but the Harry Crane, Rich Summer appearance I had forgotten about. Yeah.

And I was just like, this is really weird. I don't know. Everything with her friend group to me didn't age well. I was just like, how do these people know each other? Are they all the same age? They all seem to be different ages. I had this in picking nits, but we can do this now. They're very boring.

Also, like, her best friend, Tracy Tom's who is only meaningful to the losers like me because she's in the rent movie. It's like, I'm just like, are you her older, like, mentor? Poor, like she just seems like she's living a totally different life. Yeah. It's a good point. None of those people would ever be together. Ever.

They must have met in, like, college. It's the, it's the college leftover situation. Yeah. Those transition times are awkward. And then it's like, hey, Rich Summer, you're gay, right? Okay, we got that over. Right. There's the gay friend.

It's like never mentioned again. Also, it's almost impossible. She wouldn't have any other friends who worked at, like, other magazines or something like that. Or that she wouldn't have made a friend in the office. Yeah. Who does it make friends at work? I don't think she would have made friends at both. She would have made friends at both.

She would have made friends at both. An intern? No. Medill kids don't make friends like that anyway. Also, when she's the assistant, she's kind of, she can't be fraternizing with the other people because she's supposed to be protecting the secrets. It's kind of an isolating position. She probably doesn't have friends. I didn't like the one friend who went at her at the party.

Lily? I didn't think that was good friend behavior. First of all, no friend. No friend. I've never heard of a situation where friends not at least like, oh, yeah, well, he's kind of cute, but, you know, you're in. But she's like immediately judging her and then calls her a glamazon. Yeah.

What was that? It's rude. I don't know. That was a weird scene. I thought of one more thing that hasn't aged well. Anne Hathaway's character is always wearing hats and they're not good hats. Yeah. The accessories in this movie are not on par with the rest of the style choices.

With the multi-million dollar clothes budget. And then they just like made all the jewelry out of plastic. That one fendi bag that Miranda has at the beginning. I just was like this. She would never carry something that gosh, like ever. Yeah. I didn't think that. All right.

It's time for casting what ifs presented by ZipRecruiter. Don't forget to check out ZipRecruiter. At ZipRecruiter.com slash BS if you want to have help hiring or if you want to be hired. So casting what if number one, you know who else was the choice for the role for Merrill Streep's role in Devil Wars Prada? Who was it? Do you know Juliet? No. Nobody.

Nobody. That was the only person they went to. That's correct. That was it. They were like, we're making this movie. We need Meryl Streep or maybe it's not worth doing. And they talked her into it. Amen.

As always with Meryl Street, to her credit, got a little salty about the salary and made them pay her more. She said a lot of those. Can I read that quote? It's really, really good. I wrote it down. Oh, great. Because this was in a piece and variety. Not the only time she's done this, by the way.

The offer was to my mind slightly, if not insulting, then not. perhaps reflective of my actual value to the project. Nice. So then they doubled it. I mean, she probably got like, what, five million or six million?

Four million is what I read. I mean, that's half as internet research, but four million. I would say she was worth like 25. Were they still paying people, 25 million in 2006? I don't know.

If Cruz was doing this, he would have gotten 20 in 2006. I agree. Why doesn't she do like the Reese Witherspoon production route? Like, why doesn't she start her own project? Maybe she just like

She doesn't want to She wants to be out with Shrissy Branski She wants to be home getting sculpted by her husband Going Sparansky So Juliet, this is going to kill you Okay

Rachel McAdams turned down the lead She did They went out her multiple times Trying to get her to take it Oh She didn't want it That's okay I love Ann Hathaway

Okay You love Rachel McAdams more Don't pretend you don't But she I used to love Rachel McAdams But I've learned that she's a real cuck and that just makes it hard for me. See, I always assume if you're an actress, you're a cook.

It's almost like proof to me you're not a cook. That's a good point. I would agree with that. That's a good point. I think, first of all, we got Morning Glory. We got Morning Glory. We got The Nobook. We got Mean Girls.

Right. So I really have to watch Morning Glory. It's delightful. Your wife and daughter will love it too. Yeah. It's so great. She likes every movie. It's also a discerning audience.

Great ad for Hunter Wellie boots. It's just they look fantastic. It's really good. I really feel for Patrick Wilson. I wanted more for him. Oh, my God. He must suck, right? Because he's so fucking handsome and everyone's attracted to him. No, I think he's fine. Let's just let him. Let's just say that Hollywood did him wrong. I don't want to think about any other alternatives. All right now. But the other thing. What's happening right now? You guys are having them not in this conversation or are we, are you for Patrick

Wilson? Yes. Okay. Yes. But she was suggesting that maybe there was something, maybe he was a bad person and that's why he hasn't been successful. I just think he has bad choices. Yeah, I would agree with that. But then that suggests to me you don't get to have the top people around you helping you make the right choices because you suck. Well, maybe he should hire you guys. I'm available. James. Are you pro or against his girls episode? Extremely pro.

Pro. Pronging and naked ping pong. Extremely pro. Okay. You need more of that from Patrick Wilson. Yeah. Also, when we were talking about little children, I need more of little children from Patrick Wilson without turning this into an R-rated experience. I like little children.

I just don't know if she should have been nominated over in Hathaway. Yeah, I don't think so. He's also great on Fargo. Like, his season is really good. This is a project Patrick Bulls and podcast now. I love Kate Winslet. I don't know. Yeah, I get a rap for just loving Michelle Pfeiffer the most,

but there's other people I love and Kate Winslet. I also love Kate Winslet. Yeah, she's great. I think she'd be a fun podcast. She's on my wish list. That would be great. I'd like the IMDB game with her. Oh, my God.

We can make that happen, do I think? You think so? She thinks she'd come on? Yeah. She's also definitely in the Coot category. So I bet she's just like, sure, a podcast. In general, I want to do more podcasts with English people heading into 2019. I think that sounds fantastic.

Adele's on my list. How about British? So you can also have more British, well British, and then that whole aisle area. Everything. If you have an accent, you might have to come on. I think you and Rose Leslie can have a great time together. That'd be good. Yeah, I just feel like you could just mix it up.

Can Shyrsa just come back? I know she's Irish, but. She was great. That was fantastic. She was great. I really liked her. Yeah. Juliet Lewis and Claire Danes auditioned for the role of Andy.

Oh, interesting. They're not right. And Hathaway went very agro trying to get the role, apparently. Yeah, the thing with the... Things over and over again and dressing like the character. There's also that story where she, someone, one of the casting people had a, quote, Zen sand garden. You know, those things on the desk in the 2000s? Yeah.

And she wrote, hire me into the sand. Yeah. Apparently. Sometimes we have to protect Ian Hathaway from herself. You know what? But that's why Anne Hathaway is good for this role. Yeah. And Rachel McAdams would not do that.

And that's why Rachel McAdams was not right for the role. Thomas Lennon turned down Nigel because of scheduling conflicts with Reno 911. That's funny. That's funny. That's a tough one. That's it for a half-fess internet research. Unfortunately, I have a feeling there's not a lot of cast. That was casting what ifs.

There's not a lot of casting what-ifs with newer movies. I think it takes a while for the internet to start making up stuff about who else was involved. So when it's only 12 years, there's only the actual info. The Dion Waiters Award given to the biggest heat check performance. I mean, is Emily Blunt even eligible? No, she's not eligible. So then it's obviously Stanley Tucci. There's no other choice.

He's not eligible. Please explain this. Every time I think I understand this award, we change the definition of it. No, we're not changing anything. It's a heat check award. It can't be an integral part of the movie. It has to be somebody that comes in hot. Okay.

And there's only one answer. Okay. Giselle. The other day we were in the beauty department and she held up to show him where eyelash curler and said, what is this? Incredible, Giselle. Incredible. Incredible.

It's real. That's true. Left me wanting more. She probably, she probably played six minutes. I think she had 12 points and 10 rebounds. I didn't know she like what her voice sounded like except for in this movie. I was like, oh, Jazeel, that's you. Are there more Giselle scenes?

Can they put them on the internet? Let's get a rough cut. I just Jaze. She's never been dislikable. Ever and anything. So good. I did like it when she yelled at people because her husband had a concussion, possibly. That was good.

I liked that one. And also, he can't catch the ball and throw it too. Yeah, that's pretty good. If I see, Giselle is good. Giselle. She should have been brought to Paris. Just to have Giselle in the Paris scene. Maybe they only had her for like a day.

They probably did. This is also a situation where we got just the right amount. I think you throw in five more minutes of Giselle and the verdict really changes. Yeah. It left me wanting more. Yeah, exactly. That's definition of D.N. Waiters. Fast Internet research.

Anna Wintor reported really liked the movie despite initial skepticism and enjoyed Merrill Sheep for her, quote, decisive nature. Question for Amanda. Yes. Is Anna Wintor still married? No, she's in a long-time partnership. So was she at the time of this movie? Long-time partnership.

Yeah, so this is in the tabloid, so I can just say it. she was divorced once because she was having an affair with the person that she's currently with. Got it. What year was that? I believe that was early 2000s. Because I think if you're not happy in your relationship and you are maybe a divorcee, you like this movie less if you're out of winter. That's why I was asking. Do you think that would be hard to watch? I think it would be tough, but I think since she was the instigator and the breakup of her own marriage, again, this is just according to the New York Post, I wasn't there, but I think this, I really

do think that at least within the fashion industry and the media industry, this movie has done so much to rehabilitate her. And it is also such a corrective to the book's portrayal of her that she probably does like the movie. Zuckerberg, I think probably ends up like a social network, especially because his stock has dropped. Anna Wintor reportedly worn major fashion designers who had been invited to make cameos in the film that they would be banished from the magazine's pages that they did so. turn the filming. We should mention,

nobody knows that that's true or not, but Vogue and other major women's and fashion magazines avoided reviewing or even mentioning the book in their pages when it came out. So who knows? Huh. It's, I would believe that that's true.

I think Merrill Streep was not on the cover of Vogue for a very long time after that movie came out. She was recently, but I think that in the way that Anna Wentour does all things, there were some. That's why I like her. She's got some of town. It's behind the scenes, yeah.

Six years after filming, Stanley Tucci married. Felicity Blunt. Emily Blunt's sister. Great stuff. Wow. Incredible. I believe he broke up with E. Falco for Felicity Blunt.

Okay. Wow, Bill was just working through a lot of emotions very quickly. I didn't know Stanley Tucci dated E. Falco. They were married. All right. The first bag we see Miranda Carey is. A product. bag.

Okay. Giselle Bunchin agreed to be in the movie only if? She didn't have to play a model. Oh, see, Amanda knows all these. Costuming, despite multiple designer loads, cost over a million dollars in the costuming person, Patricia Field. She's an Oscar nomination. She's from Sex and the City. Yeah.

She's very famous for Sex and City. It's one million a lot. I think it's low. When fashion is, quote, a character. character in the movie? That seemed low. I thought her that would have been like $20 million. Yeah.

I know nothing. Ann Hathaway really did go from a size six to a size four during the filming. She's a method actress. Yeah. I hope she wasn't a method actress for Rachel's getting married. I bet she was. Yikes. Just like doing drugs and having sex with crew members?

Yeah. Probably. Poor Ann Hathway. In 2006, Brown Street disclosed a variety that she took Miranda's soft speaking style from Clint Eastwood. I love this one. This is like a game show. You know what I should have been on.

No, but I think that one's really interesting because I do, and we can talk more about whether this is the greatest Merrill performance or whatever. But the choice that she makes to whisper throughout the movie and not be a totally bombastic, yelling, ranting, terror, like outwardly terrifying person is for me what makes the performance and is very smart. And I do like that she took it from Clint Eastwood. because he never speaks above a whisper and you have to lean in.

It's very smart. It's what he said. She said, he never, ever raises his voice. Everyone has to lean into listen, which makes him the most powerful woman person in the room. Yeah. I might have to start doing this.

I'm just going to go below. I think that's a very insightful observation about power. I had a boss who did something similar and she didn't, she did the same thing. It didn't work. What? It didn't work? Well, no, where they, like,

they destabilize you by being, like, insanely calm. Like, they cannot be shook. So, like, the fact that they are so calm all the time makes everyone else around them very unstable and, like, question themselves. That's what fantasy does. They have so.

They have so much. We're finally out of fantasy secrets. Yeah. I wasn't referring to him, but I had a different boss that, like, is just, we'll be like, call you. Sounds like you're referring to fantasy. Just call you and be like, this is, like, just walk you through his logic, like, beat by beat.

And then to, like, make you feel like you're just like total failure because they're using, like, false logic against you. When Miranda responds, everyone wants us. Everyone wants to be us. That was not the original line. What was it? Everybody wants to be me. Amazing.

It's a great improv by Merrill. Maristre changed it. She thought it was too self-involved and dramatic. Interesting. I like that. I'm still on the corner of Merrill Street. Probably not the easiest person to work with. Definitely not in this movie.

Right, probably most of the time. But probably people leave the experience going. That was great. I'll never do that again. And this is why Hollywood's fucked up. Because you know who's definitely not fun or easy to work with? Danny DeLewis. You know who everyone's like, I'm so sad.

He's retiring. What a great actor. He just seems like a maniac. But there's so many people like that. Like men are respected for being method actors and like asking for what they deserve. And Meryl Streep and every other, and Anne Hathaway are like, oh, they're problem children. It makes me so much. Is Meryl a problem child?

I think Maril is the most respected. She's not. You're right. But in general. But I think if you're directing Merylian. Street. Yeah. And she says, that line doesn't work.

Let's change it to this. What do you do if you're the director? She's won like 20 Oscars. He's like, okay, Merrill. She's just an anomaly, though. Like, there's no one else like her. That's true. It makes me so mad.

There's a deleted scene when there's something on a party and Miranda, Anne Hathaway saves Miranda somehow. And Miranda says, thank you. And they cut it out because it made her seem more likable and compassionate. It went on the internet two years ago and people lost their shit all the The Devil Wars Proud of Flunkies, like Young Dobbins over here. It me.

Everyone was like, just changes the movie. I wish I could unsee this. I never watched the clip. You never watched it. So you know about it. I know the clip you speak of, but it's not. I don't want to be on that timeline. That's how I feel about the extended cut of Almost Famous.

It's on cable a lot. I just like, nope, don't want to see it. This is not for me. It's got like two great scenes in it, though. Really? I've never watched it. I would say that's one of the better director's cuts. That and Boogie Nights are the two best ones.

Should we discuss that on the almost famous rewatchable? Yeah, I'm waiting until you go away to, like, France for two weeks. That's the cruelest thing that you can say, Julia. If you do that, I will quit. So that's fine. I think she would quit. She would absolutely would. What would Miranda do?

Well, it would depend on what she needs from Juliet at any given moment. Apex Mountain, Ann Hathaway? No. What is? This is kind of what I was trying to think. through. It's tough. The only other one you'd go with is Rachel's getting married, but that wasn't like a blockbuster. I might go with Oceans 8. That's recency bias for sure, but it really did feel like a pivot

for her. This is an insane answer. Go for it. I think she's very good an intercellar. Wow. That's it for the rewatchable swim back next week. Like, I cannot stand Matthew McConaughey sometimes. And like, I kind of like, forget. about him. I'm just like, oh, that's an Anne Hathaway movie. Okay. I don't know. The correct answer is this is Apex Mountain. Oh. She becomes an A-List star.

Her whole career is in front of her. Not a lot of competition in the age range she was in and a really good actress. And I think the sky was the limit at that point for her. And she's had a good career. But I think coming off that movie, it's like, wow, this person's like a phenomenon. Because she had carried Princess Diaries on this.

I accept. And she gets the Dark Night because of it. Yeah. She's very good in the Dark Night. night. Emily Blunt. Yes. Her apex mountains are what we're asking? I haven't seen Mary Poppins yet, so I can't answer. I think her apex

mountain's happening right now. It's going to be Mary Poppins. She's playing against Glinghammedimal Miranda. The quiet place leading into Mary Poppins feels like her apex. I wish Emily Blunt every happiness. I could not be more in her corner and I'm very nervous about Mary Poppins. Marriott's

also in it. I'm going to enjoy it. But being Mary Poppins, that's real. You're going to get Julie Andrews from 50 years ago. Can I break some news to you? Yeah. Nobody under 40 even knows what Mary Poppins is. Okay, well, I'm under 40, so please don't age me.

Except people who are in the pop culture world. I don't think Mary Poppins is a thing unless it's like people who are really into it. I don't agree. My daughter has no idea what Mary Poppins is. Okay, so that's under 15 then. Under 40 is different. All right, so let's go up to 30. I don't think Julie Andrews, Mary Poppins is a thing.

That may be. It was definitely I was put in front of the TV at like age three Like here watch Mary Poppins And then I watched it a thousand times You put that on that I'd be like What the hell? If I put that out for my kids

They wouldn't know what to do Definitely it's a bit slower But What? Mary Poppins is a classic Yeah You guys Whatever

You just don't like musical Yeah Some great songs She should know I don't like me Zoe should know about Julie Andrews Zoe if you're listening Request some Julie Andrews

You should You should know by now I don't like musicals, so I'm always going to never pass up a chance to shame them. Merrill Street, Apex Mountain. Yes. It's, so I literally, I got in a fight with my husband about this because I was so excited about Devil Wars Braddon and I was kind of discussing through the talking points. What are the things I really need to hit? And I said, you know, I think this is Merrill's greatest performance. And he was like, you can't say that on the podcast.

And I was like, you are wrong and I will not be silenced. Zach, but you guys got in an actual narrative fight over this? This is incredible. He was like, you can't say that in public. And I was like, I will. There are obviously, Sophie's Choice is kind of the iconic example. And if you're making a case for Merrill as kind of the most important actress or actor, the most important actor of all time, then it feels weird then to hold devil wears Prada up as the symbol of that.

And I kind of do think Meryl is the greatest to ever do if you look at the entire career and the number of things that she's been able to do. I think she's the best actor ever, male or female. Yes. I agree with you. I don't know if she's the greatest, but I think she's the best. But her career is amazing. What's the difference? I don't know if there's some peak that somebody else got to that was greater.

Like everybody who says like Brando in the 50s and 60s. Like if you saw him on stage, you like basically lost your mind. I don't know if was Meryl's ever. into this? That's a different. I'm saying movie. Okay. Or movie actor. Yeah. For me, she's great as movie actor. Theodore's like a whole other thing. I wish she had made more movies that weren't so precious. Yeah.

I wish like just every like eight years she just made her like whatever her version of diehard or just movies that like reached a lot of people. Yeah. A summer flick. But I'm not saying not like Iron Man 3, but just like really smart, well done movies that make money and get seen by a lot of people. But they don't make those at all anymore. Maybe they don't. And she's kind of one of the only people who's still able, Devil Wars Prada kind of marks, as we were talking about, marks the point in her career where she actually is going to make those movies. And then she does Julie and Julia.

She does It's Complicated, which we haven't talked about, the excellent Nancy Myers film. She does Mamma Mia. She is having more fun. But I think, you know, if you look at her career, she's doing Deer Hunter and Kramer v. Kramer. She does Sophie's choice. She's in some of the most iconic films of the,

the 70s and 80s. And then she becomes a bankable blackbuster star wins, you know, has a million Oscar nominations. Because it's kind of doing it all. I think she's, she's the best. Well, March 2009, I wrote a column about Brown Street for East Pinnom Magazine. And March 2009, so that's nine and a half years ago almost, I said she was the best actor ever. Okay, well, there you are. Since then, she's made like seven other movies and gotten like five more nominations.

I think just from, if you're approaching this like sports, it's unassailable. She's the best ever. Like her, like just if you did awards, whatever you wanted to like figure out the math of it, she's the best. I'm with you. But so in that context, does it change what you, my favorite performance of Devil Wears Prada, the best, the best, the APE. I think has to be something like Sophie's choice. But that's the whole in the case is that she doesn't have like her the incredible mainstream awesome performance that everybody, almost like if you were an athlete, you'd be like, oh yeah, Jordan

in the 92 finals. The LeBron Chase Down Block. Yeah, the LeBron. Like she doesn't have that kind of movie that you would go with, you know, whereas like Brando, you just go, oh yeah, Vito Corleone. Yeah. I don't, she doesn't have the veto Corleone. I guess Miranda's the closest.

Sophie's choice is kind of that in terms of film history, etc. Nobody watches that movie, though. Yeah, but some of that is also, at some point, we're getting into kind of male roles versus female roles and films. But like De Niro Raging Bowes is the same thing. Nobody, Raging Bowes a movie watch once. You never want to see it again. I feel like we know a lot of people who have watched it more than once, but that's a separate conversation.

I agree with you. That's not a re-watchable movie. I think back to back of adaptation on the hours was, really impressive. That's kind of like those... I love adaptation. And we haven't talked about that. Yeah. I love the hours. If you're going to go just length of career, durability, consistency, excellence. Yeah, you're describing LeBron. But I mean, you could, she won this 10 years ago. The fact that she's still in another decade doing this, it might actually have like a whole other old lady career ahead of her when she hits like her 70s and 80s. Amazing. Stanley Tucci.

Absolutely his apex. He's so good. Apex is the cookbook he wrote called the Choochee table. Oh, my God. Simon Baker? Oh, my God. He's rough. Can we... Let's just like...

I'd like to excise him. He's in some CBS shoes. He's the mentalist. He's the mentalist and he's making a lot of money. Last but I'm going to make the case, this was Adrian Grenier's apex. No. He had an entourage in this movie at the same time. Entourage was his apex.

This was, but this was during entourage. Oh, okay. So he's on the mountain top. It was a season two of entourage. It was like season three? Season two is undeniably the best season of. of entourage. I don't know if there was the best season.

It's the Mandy Moore season. It's really good. What was your unintentional comedy word? Simon Baker. You're a vision. Oh. Thank God I saved your job. You know, I figured out a few things on my own, too.

Turns out, I'm not as nice as you thought. I hope not. Which part? Just him being the hot shot journalist? Yeah. Every single time he's on screen, I'm like, this is not what I'm looking for in a handsome dashing journalist. Picky Nits, we covered everything except,

did Andy have to sleep with Nigel, the hot chat reporter? That actually had to happen? So they couldn't have made out. She had to, like, have sex with the guy? I don't know if the chef's going to recover from that one. She has to be back in his room, though, right? Yeah, because she has to find the mock up. Yeah.

Plot movement. I get it. I have a nitpick. Yeah. Would the list work in real life? I've often wondered about this. So at the very end, when she's saving her job, she presents, I can't remember the guy's name. He's supposed to be Sign Newhouse.

And she presents him with a list of all of the editors, photographers, models, writers that would come with her if she decided to leave runway. And he's like, oh, well, we can't do it without you, so we'll keep you. Is that enforceable in real life? No. It would almost be like if I left ESPN and tried to take everyone with me and then not everyone came. Best quote. Everybody wants this. Everybody wants to be us.

That's all. Or she's not happy unless everyone around her is panic, nauseous or suicidal. What's your favorite? Can I give some more? Yeah. Okay. By all means, move at a glacial pace. You know how that thrills me.

I like that one. The tales of your incompetence do not interest me. These are all things Amanda wish she could say to her employees. I really like, please bore someone else with your. questions. And then there's also, I'll tell you. There's a great Emily Blunt line when it's in the middle of the Harry Potter scene and Anne Hathaway is running around and she just yells, Wish me luck. And Emily Blunt goes, no, I shant in her English accent and I think about that a lot. It's very funny. I shant is good. It's best to use the shant. So what we're learning during this

podcast is Dobbins is really Anna Wintor. Yeah, or would like to be. That's what it's heading. That'd be great. Please send me all your product close. Unanswerable questions. This is a big one. Was Stanley Tucci's character gay? Unanswerable. Yeah. I even did research.

I googled, was Stanley Tucci's character gay, devil wears Prada? What about in the book? Somebody said at one point he looks at male models for an extra second, which signifies that he's gay. I don't remember that soon. You should be able to get an extra second.

Come on. You just want to take it all in. What about in the book? Is that character a guy? I can't remember. I don't even really remember that character in the book. Just even can't answer it. Adrian Grenier, just unanswerable.

I don't know. Who would have been a better choice for that role in 2006? I would have not gone white male. This movie was not exactly the most diverse movie. I would have made him something a little with a little pizzazz. I don't know. I don't know who that is. What about John Cho?

What about young Dave Chang? Yeah, I think like John Cho in 2006 would have been good. And then it's like instead of mac and cheese, he's making like some cool Korean dish or something. It was just a chance to make the movie more interesting and they blew it completely. Was this Merrill Streep's greatest role ever? Oh, interesting. I think yes.

I think it's Sophie's choice personally. It's just like just removing all like how dark that movie is, but that's just a great role. Sure. I think playing Julia Child is also kind of a great role. I was thinking about Julia Child. Who else could have played this part if it wasn't Merrill Street? Is there anyone else you would have been even 70% as happy with? I mean, the answer to that is no.

But if we're trying to, for the spirit of this podcast. I go Candice Bergen. That would be good. Yeah. Not in 2006 though. I mean, she kind of does it in sex in the city. if she's a Vogue editor. She carries Vogue editor at some point.

2006, no. She's too old at that point. I don't know. She's, I think in Sweet Home Alabama, she kind of is in a similar position. She wouldn't have been nearly as good. Where could this have gone the most wrong? Julia Roberts with aged hair to make her sit 10 years older?

That would have been bad. She was way too young at the time, but Sandra Bullock, I think, could have done it. Could do it like now. Or like in seven years. I don't know. Is she mean enough? I think she could.

I think she could be. Blindside sold me on Sandra Bullock being able to throw some different sides out. I will fight for her in all moments. I love Sandra Bullock. Ocean Day was kind of a disappointment to me in that respect. She wasn't really bringing, she wasn't having as much fun as I wanted her to be having. That was like maybe the worst role in the movie. Yeah, that's true.

Speaking of people who could do this, Kate Blanchett. Yeah. So Kate Blancher was one of the ones I was thinking of. And also Kate Winslet now. I don't think she could have done in 06. I think of her as like ultimately warm-hearted. But that would have been a challenge for it. Cape Blanchet would have been good.

Yeah. I don't know if Kate Blanchett had the career I wanted her to have. It's not over. I really like her and talented Mr. Ripley. Fantastic. That movie is so good in that movie. That movie's near perfect. Is that on the list?

It can be. I think we should add it. Hey, if people out there, if you think Mr. Ripley should be on the list, tell us. It's on my list. It's on our list. I'll just tell you my wife watches it over and over and over and over and over and over. I mean, shoot laws just stuff.

And that it's really, really good movie. Matt Damon's super creepy. So creepy. Super creepy. Yeah. Also a cool role for Philip Seymour Hoffman. He doesn't often get to be like the voice of reason or like the rational guy. So like that was fun.

Pussy gets the Tommy. Has the peepin. Has the peepin. And also, Guineithalry was just like also stunning. It's a really good movie. So she comes off as a big winner in that movie. Yeah. And so does, there's like five people.

people that just win in that. And then the other thing is he's in rounders and Mr. Ripley the same year. Amazing. Those are two completely different parts. That's a really good run. Who won the movie? No contest. Nothing to discuss. Well, how about this? Who lost? Who was the number two winner of the movie? Emily Blunt. I think Hathaway. I'm going Hathaway. I'm going Hathaway. Ann Hathaway did well. I mean, if we're talking kind of in real world, as you already said, her career, this proves her as a mainstream lead. Blow your mind. Hathaway was number two winner.

Okay. Much harder part. Emily Blunt, easy part. She said to be a bitch. Is it? Yeah. Easy part. She brings such pizzazz to it.

I think other people could have done that. Not like her. Giselle could have done it. Right. But also, if we're making the argument that this movie starts careers, then it starts Emily Blunt's as well as in Hathaway's. That's true. So maybe they can tie.

Eventually she met John Krasinski. Right. They, I think, might stay. together. They've moved at the right pace together. There was a time there when I thought you might have passed Krasinski and he might be in trouble. But now I feel like they're on the same level still. Can I share one more piece of half-asternet research? Yeah, please. John Krasinski has apparently watched The Devil Wars Prada 75 times. So John Krasinski and I are tied. So do you think he kept watching this movie? It's like someday I'm going to date Emily Blunt?

I don't know. Do you watch movies and think realistically I will date that person? I guess. In the 1990s, I did. I really thought I had a chance at Gwyneth Paltrow in the 1990s. Incredible stuff. I had no money and no way to get her at all. But I was like, I love the white shadow and her dad did the white shadow. And at some point, I'm going to run into her. We're going to talk white shadow.

It's going to be on. Until Black Panther, I really thought I had a chance with Michael B Jordan. He's too famous that? Black Panther has ended it. Until then, I really thought I had a chance. Well, he's coming on the pot in November. You'll probably do on a day I'm not here. With your intern, taking notes, Julia Libid.

Hey, Juliet's here. She's just going to be jotting out some notes, MBJ. Way Jopal and Michael B. Jordan. You guys are really inspiring. So next week, Jaws, the highlight of Sean Fantasy's life. And Chris Ryan's. Chris Ryan's favorite movie. Well, this was fun.

Did we do all right? Was this meet your expectations? This was a really rewarding professional experience. Thank you. This was worth the many years that I've been twailing in this industry. Man, thank you. Thank you. Zach, thank you.

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