The Rewatchables - ‘The Devil’s Advocate’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan revisit the 1997 mystery-drama ‘The Devil’s Advocate’ starring Al Pacino, Keanu Reeves, and Charlize Theron. Hosts: Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan Producer: Isaiah Blakely Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The rewatchables brought to you by the Ringer podcast network where you can find the Ringerverse, the Midnight Boys of Van Lathen. You find higher learning, I can't speak, higher learning with Van Latham? Absolutely, yeah. C.R. you still working? What's going on with you? Yeah, you know,

I try to like, as I get older, I'm trying to like make it count more. So maybe like a watch a week is what I'm thinking. Watch a week. That's a great one. Not a lot of great TV shows. Coming up here, devil's advocate. This is a totally normal movie.

It's next. God likes to watch. He's an absentee landlord. Keanu Reeves. He's always been there. I know that now. Al Pacino. As God, sleep late.

We will win. It's my time now. The devil's advocate. All right, Van Lathan is here. Chris Ryan, the executive legal officer of Milton, Chadwick and Waters, is here. Eddie Barzoon of the ringer. Eddie Barzoon of the ringer. Sean is definitely the Eddie Barzoon.

Barzoo. He would have jogged like any person. Yeah, Sean comes jogging up. He's just like, you're trying to get your name on the charter. Fascinating Pacino, Keanu, time, 97. Pacino's coming off heat. It's two years earlier. It feels like 10.

And he was in City Heat, Donnie Brascoe, that was Advocate. And then being Saturday, any given Sunday two years later. Keanu kind of needed this movie. He needed a hit. He had done speed in 94. And then had this Johnny Man, Johnny Mnemonic. Johnny Mok

Walk in the clouds. The Pneumonic Courier. Chain reaction, feeling Minnesota and the last time I committed suicide. So he was 0 for five. Chain reaction, not bad. Just wanted to throw that out there. Morgan Freeman.

Not bad. I can't say people were like, Keanu's back. This is it. But Keanu was doing something where he was doing like the, he was doing the big, the one for them and the one for me type of situation.

Yeah. He always would dip back into the indie sort of smaller movie as well to kind of keep testing themselves. There's a fascinating sliding doors with this where they're trying to get him to do Speed 2. And I have the premiere magazine where they have the cover story about Keanu

and why he didn't take it. They're offering him $11 million for Speed 2, which was a lot. And he read the script. He's like, I don't like it. I think the movie's going to suck him out. I'm going to do Devil's Advocate instead. Do you think that's what Jalen Brown is doing right now?

I don't like it. I don't like the script. He's like $2.60? I don't like it. Blame with Porzingis. They added Porzingis to it. Who's the Jason Patrick then? Who would be the Jason Patrick for the Celtics

if you can't get Keanu? Who's the Jason Patrick? Tyler Hera. Jesus. Somebody is super depressing. So then his instincts were correct. That was not a good movie. I think the bigger problem I have was Speed 2

is just a bad idea. Like a boat? The cruise ship doesn't really move his fast. Yeah. It's like if you did Fast and Furious 2 and it was the cars weren't involved. It's like dark bikes. It's been a while since I watched Speed 2,

but I feel like there's too much other stuff happening off the boat. Like, it's not like, oh, we're trapped on this cruise ship. I've never seen it. So he does this movie instead. Ben Lathen, you were super excited when we said we wanted to do this movie. Why? Because this is like one of those, you ain't seen that classics.

It's like, you ain't seen the devil's advocate? Like, everybody, this was like a movie that was equal parts. Mess, religion. There was always something happening. It was just like, I just remember people watching it. and just being astounded at the amount of stuff that happens per scene. It's always a little weird. It's a rich movie.

It's a rich movie. It's like New Orleans food. Yeah, you know what I mean? And it's like, it's excessive. And you, no matter what type of entertainment you like, I feel like this movie kind of delivers it. And it had like a lot of faces that we knew and just enough faces that we didn't. Right.

We didn't really know Connie Nielsen. at this time. No. She did not know her. I thought she was Italian after seeing this movie. So when you saw her, it was like,

ooh, what's, what is that? And then, um, we would, she was, she was,

she was, because, because really, because really, at this point had, uh, what's the two, is it two days in the valley?

With, uh, you know, remember that joint? I do remember that joint. I do. Charlie's the wrong. Yes.

James Spader. And you remember that movie? I do. I think that was her first movie. That was her first movie. Yeah. It was that and that thing you do. Yeah.

She shows up as the first girlfriend. And that thing you do, but she's only in that for a little while. So, like, she was a new phase that was rising. You put that with Al Pacino, who's in kind of like what you just said, like a little Al Pacino mid-career. He's saying it's like LeBron Lakers run. Yeah. He's not in his prime anymore, but he's still impactful.

But if he takes two weeks off after Christmas, he comes back strong. Al Pacino goes to Mexico. So it just had something for everybody. Like, this was one, once again, I always say this. This was one that you could watch with your friends. or my mom liked this movie because it had strong religious messages in it about excess vanity, man's fatal flaw, and Satan. Yeah, it's like getting duck fat fries,

and then somebody's like, you want some aoli with that? And you're like, yeah, I'll have some fucking aoli. How about that? Can you put some bacon bits on these? Or should I say, I'll have some aoli. But I like movies that, you know, the idea of the elevator pitch. You know, it's like somebody can pitch you the movie in the elevator. if somebody is in an elevator with you and they're like

Rosemary's law firm I hit stop on the elevator and like tell me the story of this movie or if they're like the firm but Satan I just hit stop and I'm like tell me all about it it's just a great pitch for an idea it's a great idea and then you add in the like Tony Gilroy part where he's just writing these long fucking crazy monologues for which you know and like there's two

there's the Eddie Barzune one and the one that's essentially like an 18 minute fourth quarter what like like nine for 11 goes to the stripe five times. Yeah. Like they're going to replay this on Hardwood Classics. But you know what's good about that? Like I'm from the Bible Belt and,

and, you know, I like Jesus and stuff. But he, but, but. You're representing the religious. I'm representing, I'm pro Jesus here. I'm going to mark that down. But like you're, you're 17, I'm 17 years old when this movie comes out. So I'm in the theater.

So I'm just about the time of my life where I'm making up my own mind about stuff. And I'm looking at, I'm like, yo man, is he right? Save him for the hottest take. You know what I mean? That is possibly the hottest take. I'm like, yo, man.

I can vaporized. I'm like, yo man, is he right? Some solid points here. So I go home and I start bucking up to my mom and my dad. Well, isn't it unfair that God asks us to do something? My dad is like, all right, we got to go back to church. What's what's going on? You're like,

you're like, is got an absentee landlord's mom? That's the kind of thing that you would say Exactly that exact line There is like a good Maybe we should actually Come up with a subcategory of movie That is the You see it

And then it kind of changes your perception of things For like a day You come out It's like when you walk out of JFK And you're like Nothing is what they tell you brother You know And if you see Devil's Advocate

You go home and you're just like Dad I have a couple of points I'd like to me about the church We forgot to mention It is courtroom month That's one of the reasons We're doing Devil's advocate we did injustice for all we're doing this one now and this movie has a pretty funny version

of the courtroom yeah so you have basically satan versus god and then you also have satan as a proxy as a lawyer and how there's a whole lawyers are evil yeah aspect of this movie that's kind of fun milton calls lawyers the devil's ministry yeah yeah and he's kiana rives his character as one every case then that's why he gets hired it turns out is that why he won every case or is it because Satan's his dad. So movies trying to talk about that. They're trying to talk about, there's a lot of like, they talk about

in Taylor Hackford's DVD commentary, is the director, about how important the free will concept was. Like nobody forces you to be evil. They give you the choice to be evil. And if you take that choice, that's your choice. And if you go back through the movie at every point, he, like, Kevin decides,

like, I want to do this. I want to do that. Like Milton even tells him, I told you to quit the case. We were going to replace you. You decided you wanted to be a part of it. This is why Pacino's Milton is my lasting portrayal of Satan on screen. Oh. That's not Louis Seifer by Robert De Niro and Angel Heart.

That's a great one. That's the one coming out of the East. Yeah. Like that's a great one. That's a great one. Also, don't, don't discount George Burns. From O God, you devil. Oh, wow.

Oh, God, you devil. Don't discount George Burns. Like, those were my Satan's. growing up. But this one... Not Dame Omen? Oh, no, but that's not... I don't call him Damian anymore.

I call him Day Moment. Yeah. Three Omen movies. Is he Satan? He's not Satan though. The original... He's the Antichrist. He's the Antichrist.

Yeah. I don't think that counts... He's born from a jackal. Right. That movie's nuts. That movie is nuts. Damian, he was all for you. She jumps.

I used to be so afraid. I'm like, that movie is really creepy. But, you know, because it really doubles down on the fact that like, it's not the devil made you do it. It's the devil tempts you to make horrible choice. It's right there for you. You did it.

It's like South Beach. Exactly the same thing. You go there, you know what's going to happen. You go to South Beach and have a great time and have dinner and just enjoy your day and go back to your hotel room. Sure. Yeah. Or I use Vegas is another one.

I go to Vegas. New Orleans is another one. I see a show. I get a massage. Yeah. I do the whole thing. Everybody else goes to Vegas. snowflakes all over their nose

and lose their mind to get another kind of massage different type of massage Mekinos. Mekanos. You go to Mekinos. It's your choice. Yeah, there's choices

that you can make. I've never been to Mekinos. One of the things in the writing about this movie is how much fun Puccino is having. I was trying to think what other actors where you're like, man, he's having fun.

Because we say this with sports but rarely with actors. I think Denzel's had a couple of those. We're like, oh man, else having a good time in this one. Yeah, but this is really like, you do wonder what any other performer would have done with this

because Pacino is doing a song based on sheet music that only he can read. Like the words he chooses to punctuate, like when he's like, and it just doesn't make any sense, but he's like, the final fig leaf, you know, and he's like covering his crotch. Like, you're just like, how did he choose to yell about,

yell those two syllables or these two words? It's the end of a woman, Pacino after like, five drinks and a head injury. But even prior to that, I watched the scene with him and Marianne where he is just so quiet. He's very quiet.

And somebody's telling her to change her hair. And seductive, but just blisteringly confident in his ability to like silently woo her. It's like he looks at her and he goes, you know, see you with your hair up. He goes like, I would do it. But

everybody who's pretending not to watch us right now is going to instantly think that we're fucking if I do that. Yeah. That is, that's just like devastating cool. Yeah. That he's able, like a Satan-esque cool that he's able to kind of portray in that scene right there. So even there, I'm watching that.

I'm like, like, he's really enjoying himself right now. Very Belichick. I don't think he's Belichick. Like, Belichick. And he told Tom Brady, like, no. What? Billichick. What the hell?

What conversation between Belichick and Brady? I was trying to think of leaders who are considered evil. Are these the things that in your hands? These are the fantasies of Bill. Some jokes don't land, man. He's like. So this came off a book. It was by Andrew Niederman.

It was called The Devil's Advocate. It was published seven years before they made this movie. And he approached Warner Brothers. And he said it's about a law firm in New York that represents only guilty people and never loses. And the project bounces around. there's a really good casting what if and kind of dies that would be a cool idea for a movie yeah or a tv shovel out of it yeah yeah um and then something we've discussed in previous

courtroom month podcast the oj trial happens and people start getting super excited about making legal movies again and all of a sudden we have a 60 million dollar budget we have Taylor hackford Tony Gilroy's involved get Pacino we get kianno and and we're off and Hafford says the courtroom had become the gladiator arena of the late 20th century following the progress of a sensational trials, a spectator sport. Interesting. I had this in picking nits. Like, I kind of wanted more from fake Donald Trump, that trial. The Cullen trial.

Yeah. I think this movie's long. It's over two hours. But that they kind of speed through the trials in some of these things. But that one, I was like, this is where we got in our courtroom bones. The two trials are pretty interesting, the Gettys trial in the beginning and the Cullen trial. I wish we have more in the court stuff. And they cut out some stuff.

As soon as Marianne's subplot starts to really take off, they stay out of the court as much and just use the court or any of his work. His major distraction. That's his major distraction. Because the Cullen trial, we go from, I don't want this guy to be my lawyer. This guy is the greatest lawyer. To at the end, once again, I know people are lying, but I have to go through it again. They really don't spend any time with that character at all.

Can we talk about that character? Sure. Coach. Craig T. Nelson, who was also an injustice for all. True Beverly Hills. And it's playing against type in this. He's basically Donald Trump.

They mentioned Trump in the movie. They mention him. They film in his Trump Tower, Penn House, whatever it was. Automatically recognized it. I called out on the... I never recognized it at any point watching the movie until I watched it this time.

The screenwriter Tony Gilroy, he went on the Mark Maron pod and he said, the movie was shot in Trump's quote shitbag apartment this is why he's the goat this is like he's the goat and he said Trump would pop by the set

every day in order to quote try to see Charlize and all the while quote the entire crew was laughing at him and laughing in his apartment Tony Go right in 2020 I'm not about I'm not going to get political but that part that apartment is fucking

ridiculous. Even the reason why I noticed it is because I'm watching him sit down. And I'm like, yo, who would fucking live there? I had never know. Then I went. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

I've seen that place because when I was still at my- Because you noticed all the gold. When I was in my old shop, they did a show called Objectified. And where they went in his house and he had to, you know, pick out objects from his past and like, tail harvobot him and all of that stuff. And so I remember looking at the raw from that. Yeah. And so I'm like, that's Trump's house.

I'd never thought about that before when I'd seen the movie. Hackford said they were surprised they let him film there. They said the character was a very egotistical, very horny New York developer who was, quote, based on Donald Trump. And they reached out to him because they wanted photos of this penthouse for reference. And then the location scout said, you can have it. And they even put in like they needle Trump in the movie, like when they're like, Trump's supposed to be here. But he used to do it. This was a little bit of a strange Trump time because he'd gone bankrupt in the movie.

the 90s he was getting crushed in spy magazine and you know he was I think he was trying to get his mojo back a little bit a couple years later he starts to do the w w-e stuff yeah I mean like before he was running for president he was making like movie review vlogs and talking about like the new taco bell man this was like 2006 so yeah when the apprentice comes Donald Trump is like a pretty beloved celebrity to be honest with me I mean the more people that people in new york that knew had issues with them from the exonerated five stuff and some of the other high discriminated stuff. But most of the, most people around the country

didn't have that much of a problem with him. You want to talk a little, John Milton? As a, the author of Paradise Lost. That's Pacino's character's name. They, uh, there's a lot of, a lot of stuff from Milton. Now you can Google. We don't need to go all into it.

He got in his, his classics bag. We go deep. Yeah. Dante's Inferno is the office, you know, the different levels of the office. he had the quote that Lomax quotes better to rain in hell than serve in heaven

um hackford was more about the the legend of Faust and the uh the concept of Faustian bargain and I don't know there's definitely a John Milton hanging over this a little bit

yeah but so that's one of the weird things about this movie is that it's both deep and really trying to do stuff but it's also super cartoonish yeah yeah yeah the movie asked like real questions about religion and the push pool between good and evil about capitalism about family all while people are doing the weirdest fucking shit that they've done on screen all while like you know he when he's talking to the guys in the subway like that's really a

powerful scene at the same time it's super weird the funniest thing i've ever seen in my life Is Pacino speaking Spanish and telling a guy like your girlfriend is splitting a jumbo? A jumbo. This is a, so the one thing I wanted to ask you about in relationship to another movie we've done on the courtroom month is primal fear, right? So primal fear is essentially really lean, very straightforward, and it builds and builds and builds. And then you get this twist at the very end. And you can watch it knowing the twist is coming because you can sort of look for hints in the Ed Norton performance that like this twist is going to come.

In this movie, it's called the devil's advocate. And very soon into the movie, it's apparent that only the protagonist is the only one who's not aware that he is working for Satan. But do you guys remember being surprised at all by the end of the movie or by the reveal that he's the devil?

I mean, I was going to have this in what stage the best for this movie in the moment in 97, you could tell from the trailer. It's like what the movie was about. It's like flames going everywhere. It had devil in the title. So you knew Pacino,

is the devil. I think now if you stumbled into it in 2023, you might not know. So I watched a movie a couple of times to get ready for the pod. The second time I did something that's so awesome. I try, I know it's awesome. I can say that. Uncle Rico at this spot.

I'm awesome. The second time, I tried to watch the movie pretending I didn't know that Al Pacino was the devil and then trying to get to the point where you figure it out. And it's the subway scene. Yeah. Yeah, because he can read people's minds. Because he's

reading people's minds. And if you watch the movie like that, the script is actually written, in my opinion, as if you don't know. You do, you know, but the script to me is written. So you think the promotion kind of fucked them a little bit. Nah, I don't think that it fucked them a little bit because I think it's too big of a part of the pitch of the movie. Like, anytime you have Satan as a main character in a film, you have to let people know that he's there because Satan is such an interesting character on screen almost always, right? But anytime, so they weren't going to get around doing that, but what I'm saying is that when you watch the movie, he draws him ever closer and ever closer and ever closer and is still trying to pull the wool over his eyes

until he's more comfortable being who he is. Right. Even like when he's in the, he seduces a bunch of different people, even when he's in the elevator and he's got the two ladies with him. Krista Bella and Giselle. Yeah. And he's like, you sure you don't want to come up? You sure you don't want to leave your wife and your mother and come with me? Like, by that part, you know how the devil is kind of pulling at you. Sure. Benma got in the elevator.

I guess the good cop would be I'm like, because really, it's too good of an excuse. I'm like, hey, baby, take mom. You know, I got to go, my boss wants me to go up to the penthouse. Do you want to live in this apartment or not? Yeah, I just, I got to go up here. I'm going to be up here for probably 13 to 15 minutes.

And then I'm in a quickly shower. And then I'll see you. He's got a shower up there. You know, maybe I'll go get a massage and I'll come right back down. The question, I guess the comp would be Rosemary's baby.

Right? You watch Rosemary's baby. It pretty much saves all of the true satanic part for the last 10 minutes. Yeah. And then even then, it's really kind of subtle when it's like,

oh, he has his father's eyes is the big, you know, the big twist. but you can watch Rosemary's Baby. I think when I first saw Rosemary's Baby, I didn't know that was what happened at the end.

Yeah. It's just an interesting use of like when you tell people what the movie is about. Could this movie have been better? Sure. Yeah. If you had like

one of the top five directors in the 90s do this, Taylor Hackford directed it who we like. He did Proof of Life. We've done a bunch of Taylor Hackford movies. But he made it campaign. And I wonder, like, what happens if somebody actually doesn't make this campy? And they treat it more like Rosemary's, like how Polansky treated Rosemary's baby.

Like, you take somebody who's a real creative, a real artist, and they're like, I have this script. I'm going to go this way. I think that I was going to save this for what's age the worst. I just think some of the special effects really, like, take you out of the movie. You could make the argument that it should have been more about the law firm or more about his relationship with Marianne and their marriage falling apart when they moved to New York. But the big thing for me is just like some of the more supernatural elements of it and even the end where it's like this amazing speech. But like the paintings are moving and all this stuff. You're just kind of like, all right, this hasn't really aged that well.

It hasn't aged well at all. But I try to put myself in a place that I was when I saw it. And when I saw it, that was freaking me out. It was cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

This is like six years after Terminator 2 when we're like, whoa. Like I just went through the prison bars when I saw it. Whoa. And it's crazy. And I always think about this, right? I always think about like, you know, these movies always look bad when I watch it. But I try to watch Eraser on cable. It's just so crazy how bad it looks, right?

Then I watched Jurassic Park and for some reason, the movie still works. The effects hold up really well. I will say something about this film is like, so all of the devil is here films that I was watching, they were all from that weird period in the 70s where they were obsessed with making movies about the devil. when they were kind of rebelling against. What were they trying to tell us, man? Well, you know what happened? One of the films I can't remember, I think I brought this up before,

one of the movies actually in a little monologue from this fake producer or something actually gave the reason why. In the 50s and the 60s, there were tons of movies that were biblical. It was Jesus movies and it was the Ten Commandments. And then people actually, they naturally, they wanted a different side of that to be shown.

They zagged. They zagged. And so the exorcist, Rosemary's Baby, the Omen, all of those movies start to come out. Some of them were great and some of them were not so great. Anytime I saw films like that, as a kid, they were always movies where I was looking back. This was one of the first great films that I could remember that dealt with man and the devil with no presence of God in it that I watched with my own brain. And it was like a, it was a cool experience for me because I relitigated a lot of my childhood and stuff. And started questioning whether or not you chose the wrong team with God. Got that out of me because look, you have to think. I'm not saying. It's Vance Free Agency.

You guys got to think, though. I'm 17. They're throwing the finest level of white girl. Yeah. Like on the screen. Okay. They're throwing all of these things. Isaiah's over there.

Like he gets it. They're throwing months. He was trying to duck that. Like Isaiah's over there. I heard that, Isaiah. They're throwing money. Remember, this guy's from Gainesville. I'm from Baton Rouge.

Yeah, I was going to ask you about the SEC connection. SEC town. Yeah, it just means more. Now he's in New York. I say one thing about this movie, New York looks absolutely beautiful in this film. Uh-huh. And so I'm thinking- Well, it's actually New York, for one thing, yeah. I'm thinking, yo, do I want to be here kicking it, you know, going to the LSU games on Saturday for the rest of my life?

Right. Or am I willing to go up there and really take my shot? Did you ever live in New York? I've never lived in New York before. Do you like it? No. Good call, man. That place sucks.

Not really. Whoa. Not really. You just had a good time there. What are you talking about? It's a lot more country boy. Did I? Did you enjoy yourself?

Did I? You did. It's a beautiful city. Great energy. But I would have ended up like him at the end. You would have been in Satan's back pocket. I would have blew my brains out and came back home. Even if you weren't working for your father, the devil?

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when I watched it, like, the night I moved into an apartment in Boston, and I had no furniture, we had no furniture, like, in our house yet. It was just kind of like sitting on milk crates. And it was really one of those, like, the ring, kind of like, oh, there's a copy of Texas chainsaw mask here, like the old tenants left. Yeah. I've never seen this before. And we watched it, like, one

in the morning, and I thought I was watching a snuff movie. Y'all white as shit. There is no fucking way I would have watched a leftover copy. of the Texas Chansaw Masker. That sounds like a horror movie. In Boston. In Boston, that is, y'all are crazy.

I'd have been looking, I would have been freaked out outside of the door. Every door, like. I was up until like five. I was just like, like, leather faces coming out of the wall. But as far as the devil goes, it's the omen, I think. Omen or Rosemary's. Yeah. What about you?

So it's, I mean, this is not the most, it's not the scariest one. It's the exorcists for me. Just really freaked me out. because my, you know, my dad would be like, that really happened. And the devil really can get inside of you. That's a, it's not a chill thing to say to a kid. Oh, my God. Once, once in my life, I was trying to iron, right?

Yeah. I was trying to iron my own clothes. I was trying to help my mom. But I had been told not to touch the iron. Don't iron, my dad used to say. But I was trying to iron my own clothes, being enterprising. Iron fell on the floor, burned iron print into the carpet. I know.

My dad comes back. So you think it was like a devil's hoof print? My dad said that Satan's hoof print. Yeah, I thought so. Because you were in here doing something you weren't supposed to be doing. I'm nine years old. Yeah, that's tough. The hoof print doesn't leave.

I am freaked out. I try to put a Bible over the hoof print. I try to do all kinds of stuff like this. My dad didn't care about anything like that. He was like, there's the God, and then there's the devil. But he's letting you go see devil's advocate. I was 17 at that point. Okay.

You disobeyed him in age nine and there was a devil's hoof print. Devil's hoof print. That's pretty thing. What about you? For me, it's still ghost when Willie Lomax gets pulled down in the bottom by all the shadows. Come on.

It still freaks me out the most. Come on. Because I just feel like that's what happens. Are you going to hell? Are you a sicko? Are you a sicko? That can't be the thing. Well, that's the one that made me go,

oh yeah, that's what hell's like. I think the movie that freaked me out the most is weirdly dragged me to hell. That was a good one We saw that movie and I was like I just felt weird for like hours after That's how I felt about like There are horror movies that you go to

And you're just like That was pretty fucking good man That I felt that was pretty awesome being in that And then there's like Blair Witch Drag Me to Hell Ones that get so intense That you kind of need 20 minutes afterwards To be like all right

No like that's not reality That was one of those where I just didn't want To go back to where we live 57 million dollar budget for devil's advocate It made $153 million dollars What a country. Quiz question. This was Pacino's blank highest grossing movie.

What would you guess in his entire career? I would actually say like fifth. Okay. Third? It was fifth. Can you guess the highest grossing movie of his career? It's not Dick Tracy, right? That was number four.

Is it any given Sunday? Nope. Nah, I don't think that one did that well box office. I should have. Oceans 13. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I was wondering if it was going to be some backdoor cover like that. Yeah, just like some weird thing where he popped up and it's not really an Al Pacino thing.

Godfather, second. He, third. He made more money than the devil's advocate. Really? Dick Tracy Ford, Devil's Advocate, Fifth. Jack and Jill, sixth. Jack and Jill. That Adam Sandler movie.

Oh. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck you all are talking about. I've never heard of the movie. I mean, I've heard of the movie. It's not an awesome movie, but Pacino is, at that point, it's just dialed it up completely. Roger Ebert, our guy, two and a half stars. He says, devil's advocate is neither fish nor foul.

It's not a serious film about its subject nor is a quite a dark comedy. The epilogue, indeed cheats in a way I thought had been left behind in grade school, and yet there are splendid moments. Should we talk about the ending? Should we save it for a category? I have it for a category. Okay. Most rewatchable scene. Let's start with that.

Kiana's cross-examination of the little girl on the pedophile trial. It's a really good movie making. It did not have that in the rewatchable seeding category, but that scene's really good. It's pretty gripping. You threaten those children, didn't you? That's not the way it happened. You told them to lie, to falsely claim that Mr. Gettys had hurt them. These things did happen.

Because if they didn't go along, you were going to tell everyone about this special party. They happened to me. So you made up a story. A special story. A story about a math teacher who was tough on you who kept you after class. A huge hog beast you didn't like. That's what really happened, isn't it? No.

It's quite a way to start the movie where you're like, whoa, what's going on? Our hero is a piece of shit. I had this as the opening. I had this as one of my rewatchable scenes. I like the opening scene. But like it is brutal in the, in the way that it casts him. And I'm like, why didn't I ever feel this way about him before?

He is a shithead. Relentless when he knows his guy is that. So, nah, I think that's a good call. First of all, it's not his guy. It's machine. It's machine. It's machine. It's Frank.

It's Frank Sabaka, too. Yeah, it's machine. Yeah, it's machine. Is he Frank Sabaco or a machine? No, he's... He's machine to me. He's also Frank Sabaco, but he's a machine. Yeah.

And then he also, what was the other one? He played one of the Yankees in 61. He played like Muscooran or Hank Power. I love that. Chris Power. Like, what are the great IMDs? Next rewatchable scene. Keanu meets Pacino in the outdoor water roof.

Yes. Which I also gave the Great Shot Gordo award. You offering me a job? I'm thinking about it. I know you got talent. I knew that before you got here. It's just the other thing I wonder about. What thing is that? Pressure. It changes everything, pressure.

Some people you squeeze them, they focus. Others fold. You summon your talent and will. Can you deliver on a deadline? Can you sleep at night? When do we talk about money? Money. Ha ha ha.

Yeah. That's the easy part. This scene, I watch every time this movie's on and I know we're around this scene. This is one of the most harrowing scenes I can remember. My wife had this quote. She was freaking out. She didn't remember this movie when we're watching it.

And she was like, oh my God. Because she hates stuff like that. She hates like somebody might have fought. Yeah, she just gets weird. And she actually said the words, My vagina's going to fall. fall out of my body. It was an actual thing my wife said.

I know. That's how scared she was. I wrote that down to my nose. That what happens when she's scared? She was so scared. She thought she was going to. You didn't? You didn't?

It was funny. Well, she was like, I'm going to, she first she was like, I'm going to pee all over and so. I was like, I don't think he asked her. Well, that's, that's how she felt. I think you guys would enjoy it. Her phone is about to blow up. She was squirming.

She was going nuts. Like going nuts. She just can't handle it. And I got to say, this movie doesn't have great special effects. And the special effects in that are fucking unbelievable. That apparently is like a real rooftop garden somewhere. Yeah, it's like a 50th floor. But, you know, they added the-

They added some effects. But like the infinity thing going off the edge of the roof is like real. Do you get nuts when you watch? I get a little. Always. Always. When I watch stuff like that? Where somebody's near the edge of a whatever.

I was watching a David Blaine special one time. And then, like, in the special, David Blaine's sitting down talking and he gets up and he walks and he's walking along the edge of some skyscraper. And I like started to have like a little panic attack. Yeah. My wife can't handle that. I don't mind watching it. It's her number one thing she can handle. I actually don't love doing it.

Like, I don't like being up against a window or like on a roof of like anything more than a couple of stories. It's not my third thing. We always joke, like if you go on the top of the building and you can put your face against the. window and look down and she would always go, I get the funny feeling. I'm getting a funny feeling. Interesting. She just can't handle it. So anyway, that scene broke. Now we know what the funny feeling is. Now it's actually like things falling out of her body.

Pacino telling Charlese to change her hair. We mentioned that earlier. It's a great scene. I just wrote down for this one. Charlize clothes, sees devil shit, and freaks out. Yeah. Seen with the ladies when they're all. Featuring a quite, it really just takes me out that, I think it's, I can't remember,

is it Jackie who's a friend who's the medical examiner on Law and Order SVU? So like I watch an SVU every night, you know, and like she's just always in my life. So to see her in this context was quite different. She's the one who's tapas? Yes. Oh, interesting. My breasts are real type of situation. Pacino tries to talk Spanish on the subway.

tries to try. Well, I guess he does talk Spanish. convince those guys. Do you think he'd learn Spanish? He's after Corlitos, man. You think he'd learn the lines? Yeah, I think he's... Has any American actor done more Spanish and Mexican and that whole...

That's a great question. He's been Cuban. He's been Cuban. He's been all over the place. One of our great Latin actors. You know, I used to think he was. You know what I mean? I used to think he was.

He's all the romance languages, he's got him down, man. He does that at the end. Does he actually speak any Spanish in Scarface? Or is it? No, he does. When does he speaks a bunch of it? He does a fair amount in Carlitos, right? I like at the end of this when he goes,

Invigorating. I thought that my favorite part of that is just the detail of your favorite green bed spread. And the idea that this dude who's got a box cutter on the 6th train is also got a favorite bedspread. So everything

that he said, he continuously uped the Yeah. Yeah, you, were you deaf or something? You don't hear me? Oh, I hear you fine. Yeah? If I get the fuck out of my car, you hear me fine.

Why? I didn't know what was your car. I'm having a good time here. Now, I ain't ask you, motherfucker. I'm telling you, you get the fuck out of my fucking car there. Shit, junk. Chill, man, man. I'm gonna put your fucking throat, man.

You, go. My wife, the moment that's her in the apartment, she was out of Carlos. My, my, and they're in the pipa farming, and they're in the cuisine, with pant.

It's getting a jump. And then in your same camera, he'll let me for the cullo. And to her will go

in your camera verde special. How? Oh, fuck you know? Sande me

vista and put that Cuccio where it was, she's going with him, they're going

to smoke crack. Yeah. And then they're going to have anal sex. It's just like on your favorite on your favorite bed. It just got

progressively worse to his guy. It did seem like a lot of work where it's like they're going to go up to his apartment to smoke crack, but then down to your place to fuck. Yeah. Yeah, why would they do it that way? I don't know, but John Milton knew. John Milton.

Kian is opening statement for Colin. This is a good courtroom trope. I'm not going to waste your time. He kind of undermines his own guy as a way as like a strategy. But also deflates like this blowhard just talked for two hours. Yeah. And I know you want to get lunch. So let me just tell you like my guy's innocent.

Yeah. And I don't like my guy. I don't like this person. Yeah. But he's innocent. Good strategy. Eddie Barzoon bites it during a Pacino monologue is my next rewatchable scene. Yeah.

Also Eddie Barzun jogging, you know, just. Eddie Barzoon. Out there jogging. They're like, hey, Jeffrey Jones, the actor played him. Hey, you've jogged before. Right? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally.

Totally. I jog all the time. And they actually have to address. He's like he was running, if you could believe that. You know what I mean? They only show him in short burst because he's just like, he looks like a fish being pulled out into a boat. Interesting career for Jeffrey Jones after this. Well, he's coming up later.

Right. So the three joggers chasing him are each wearing a color associated with the four horsemen of the apocalypse? Did you know this? Yeah, just the little things, you know? One is white, which is conquest. One is red, horse of war. The other joggers is black. It means famine.

And then as Milton is doing his monologue, he's wearing green, which is dead. Yeah. CR knew this. Yeah. You know all your devil shit. That was that was 101. First day of college. Eddie.

The devil, first day of devil college. No, ironically, I went to temple. But yeah. religious. Eddie Bazoon. Eddie Barzoon. Ah, I nursed him through two divorces of cocaine rehab and a pregnant receptionist. President receptionist.

He just keeps going for five more minutes. Um. He uses Eddie Barzo's life to call him. completely indict society. Yeah. Yeah. And we learn more about Eddie Barzoon in that monologue than we did in the totality of the entire movie.

We got a billion Eddie Barzoons all jogging in the future. Every one of them getting ready to fist fuck God's ex-planet, lick their fingers clean as they reach out toward the pristine cybernetic keyboards to total up their billable hours. It's cybernetic, but he says, Tony is just like fucking Stephen wondering. Yeah, he's just getting off. He's like, we are in the pockets.

Society, let me tell you what I think about you. You're all alone, Eddie. You're God's special little creature. Do you think that Gilroy finished typing this and was just like, I'm him? He's like Austin Reeves. Or is that about somebody? Is he pissed off at a studio exec or some middle management piece of shit?

I'm sure. That's his Eddie Barzoon. It's like writing about John Peters. Next one, I mean, this is kind of grim, but the Charlize kills herself scene is pretty great. It's not rewatchable, but it's, yeah, I don't think that. I couldn't even watch it. It's really intense.

I'm trying to get through the door. I don't know. I'm just flagging it. I didn't know what category to put it, so I'm just mentioning it. And then I have Pacino versus Keanu. The last half hour. Last half hour. Tad of fig leaf.

And while you're jumping from one foot to the next, what does he do it? He's laughing his sick. Fuckin ass off. He's a tight ass. He's a sadist. He's an absentee landlord. Worship that. Never.

Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven. Is that it? Why not? I'm here on the ground with my nose in it since the whole thing began. I've nurtured every sensation man has been inspired to have. I cared about what he wanted,

and I never. judged him. Why? Because I never rejected him in spite of all his imperfections. I'm a fan of man. Starting off with that amazing shot of him walking down the street in an in like a like abandoned, desolate like New York. Yeah. To where you know all right, supernatural shit coming. Because that can well because and then Pam's outside the hospital and she's like, don't worry, you're not going to feel any more pain. Right. And now we're officially in devil mode because I don't even think that he's on earth at that point. I think that he's in some probably weird

limbo dimension limbo thing. Keanu says Satan and he goes, call me dad. We're just getting crazy. Look, but don't touch, touch, but don't taste. All of God's contradictory rules. And in the meantime, I mean, Sean has, fantasy is sort of like the originator

of like really documenting this speech, but he was the first one who pointed out like, you can't really hear me do this, but all of the hand gestures that he does during look but don't touch taste but don't swallow and like when he's like look but don't touch and he does like little nipple twists and he's like taste but don't swallow and he does like a four tops hands thing it's like he's on like another level do you think at various points during this movie butchino's like i'm throwing 99 miles an hour and there's kiana

reeves a totally fine actor yo i think it only works like that's like jordan and larry hughes he's just like man it would be so nice if like Cruz was here Kobe and Smush I think it only works like that though the movie because fucking Keanu Reeves's character is so dumb

yeah and this he's so stupid in this entire movie he's so unaware of everything yeah he's like a walking he's like a baby almost you know what I mean and Al Pacino is always he always has all the information

He uses his tongue in this movie. Everything is so tasty. Everyone's frailty is so delicious to him that he's like lapping it up almost in every scene. What do you have for most of watchful? Look but don't touch speech. Oh, yeah. That's the harder to move.

I have the... Oh, also the train scene. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I forgot to mention it. But yeah, we had talked about it. The train scene as well. I think I have the outdoor roof. I'm always like especially as the TVs have gotten better

that seems kind of amazing just to watch it's like a total how do they do that scene And also you just get your wife's reaction In my wife every time You can't things are falling out of her Vagina falling out look here's a I do want to mention another scene that I Like in this film

You're in so much trouble You're just so fuck It's fine But I want to mention another thing that I never really like paid that much attention to The Moyette scene Oh yeah The Delaware Lindo scene

The Del Rolindo scene. Yeah. The dog, the craziness, the little boy, walking him down to the basement. And then Delroy Lindo's down there doing a terrible Haitian accent. But still, like, that was kind of a cool scene. That would have been, if they were going to do the prestige TV version of this, they could have done like two episodes just on the Moyez case. Just on Moyez, yeah.

You know, where he's like, I'm starting to get into some pretty weird shit at this law. I had this later, but just so clear that Adabisi should have been the voodoo guy. That would have been dope. Dillroy was in his bag at that time, though. I get it, but it just... I don't want Dailroy to just be doing the, you know, the Haitian accent he whipped up like five seconds ago. Adabesi is like right there.

Yeah. And I can't think of anybody better to just be in some basement with weird animals, just being crazy. No, Aadabisi's been underused. Totally agree. He must be bonkers behind the scenes. Yeah. He's been under you.

No, he was in Suicide Squad. He played the shark. Oh, yeah. Have you ever seen Aadabisi come? in a movie and be like, oh man, this fucking guy it's always like, oh, I had a PC. Yeah, he's in this. Oh, my God. Let's get fucking wild.

What's age the best? Charlize was 21 when they made the movie. This is like young kind of baby fat Charlize. It looks like she just just flew into America and just started making movies. We have this whole history with her now. She was on a rocket ship because

she does like Children of the Corn. Well, she was. And then she's just in these movies. Ridiculous. She just exploded onto the scene. I remember like, what was the movie we talked about it? Like two days in the valley joint. Yeah. And that came out and it just, it's not that great of a movie by the way, but it was just so

out there that everybody was like, oh my God, there's this new actors, you have to see her. Boom, Charlie's their own. And then, so she comes in the mid-90s and just basically crushes it from that point on. Do you think she's good in this movie? No.

As in, like, actor-wise? Yeah. No. I think that she she's doing the bad version of what Al Pacino's doing, meaning she's dialing it up, but for some reason, it's not landing. If you wanted to take that character, but it is effective for the story.

See, I think she's good in this movie. It's got to be, it's got to, you have to somehow be like, how is this dude not staying home and hanging out with Charlie's throne? Right?

Yeah. And it's, she's got to be basically like, annoying enough for him to be like, Yeah, I think I'd rather just hang out with my boss and go to like watch Al Pacino Flamenco dance. That sounds better than hanging out with you. Who is one of the most beautiful people in the world? So she dials it up to the point where she's like hysterical every night.

So let's have this conversation because I looked at this, right? And I've always, I've always felt that way. They do something that's really interesting here. And I don't want to get too objectify, but I'm the pervert of the ringer, so it's okay. Did you give yourself that title? That's Sean. I don't know. Really?

Yeah. I don't know. Can I tell you something else? I would say that Mal is in the running as well. Mal is in the running as well. That's not eligible. Yeah. She like retired.

We had to like kick her out of the league. So there's something that they do and I think it's very, it's clever the way they do it. So you look at Charlize Theron in this movie and she looks amazing, right? You're like, who could be hotter? Yeah. And then Connie Needs. Nielsen is a country boys version of what a hot New York lady is. But crucially, she's more, she's more, like, seductive and chill.

Like, she's, like, I'm part of this world. Everything you want is at your fingertips. And Charlize is, like, come home and make a baby and hang out and help me choose wallpaper. She looks like the hottest girl in your high school. In Gainesville. In Gainesville. And then... Well, she's not wearing makeup second half of the movie.

Right. Changes her hair. Right. She starts getting the big bags. I actually like watching her unravel over the course of this movie. I think it's effective. I like watching her unravel, but it does feel like when I watch the film now,

it does feel like there just kind of wasn't enough there to me. To kind of, because he is, there are parts of the movie now that I'm older, where I was annoyed with her because I'm like, look, I got to go work and I got to do all of this stuff. Yeah. But he, he, They have that fight where he's just like, I'm paying, like, he's paying our bills.

Right. Like, I'm working for a living, like, while you're home, like, going nuts. But, like, I'm working. See, I think Charlize is a tough hang in this movie. About a half hour and on. And I think, I don't think the performance is bad, though. No. I actually think the performance is good.

I think the character is supposed to be a tough hang. So every time you see you're like, oh, here's another Charlize. It's pitched against Puccino, who is also going 11 all the time. So it's like basically as a viewer. But as a viewer, there's no break. Like, there's no contrast between his home life. His home life is loud and annoying. His work life is loud and, like, seductive.

It doesn't seem like what. You don't like when she was doing the shots in Gainesville in the beginning? But that's the thing is that like, and then his mom is blames her. She's like, oh, I bet Marianne is the one who's like pushing you to go to New York. I do think sometimes though, and this is just a thing that I have, like, I watch Mystic River. Yeah. And when I watch Mystic River. Fun movie.

It's a barrel of laughs, right? When I watch Mystic River, like Sean Penn in that movie gets on my nerves. Yeah. Because he's so emotionally. Is that my daughter in there? Yeah, like that whole thing, it just bothers me. So a lot of times when a character is in peril for that long,

to me, it starts to get a little bit grading on me. Can I give you an unbelievable Charlize what if? Because I went into her IMDB and I was reading the trivia about her to try to figure out if there's any devil's avocid stuff? she turned down showgirls. She was supposed to be the lead in showgirls and ended up decided not to do it because she didn't want to be typecast

as like getting naked. Okay. So it goes the other way. And then they offer, they tell her to do the nude scene and this. And she's like, oh, I just said no to show girls,

but this is now Pacino and Keanu. And Keanu, I got to do this. I'm glad she turned it down. I think it would have been a bad thing for her. Yeah. Now I'm not talking about for her. I couldn't care less about that.

Okay. Because showgirls isn't about, like, the fact that the lead is naked. Showgirls is about who got naked and that's fucking Jesse from Saddam's right you know what got me up saying we win the trade

it doesn't fucking matter if some unknown actress from South Africa comes and gets naked and showgirls couldn't care less you put fucking Jesse Slater's girlfriend from that the South Africa piece you like you

you put fucking Jesse in that and you got my pay per view order before. I stayed home from school to watch showgirl. Did your dad weigh in on this? He's like, there's another devil's hoofread. He's like, there's a fucking devil's all over

my remote control. There's a whole separate story. I won't bother you guys with it, but there's a whole separate story of how the cable boy went from being a normal cable bill to be. I've told this story. I think Bill and I know how the normal cable go expanded. Literally, there was a dinner where we were all sitting down as a family.

I've said this before. This dinner, we're all sitting down in the family. My dad goes, to no one in particular he goes I noticed somebody's been ordering stuff on cable I just want to let y'all know it stops now

now let me tell you why he did this like Belichick tell you why he did this he's going to keep throwing Belichick I would love to have seen the episode of the bear that comes out of this he didn't know who was ordering it

because my mom and him were ordering stuff and I was ordering stuff and it was the combined pervertiveness of the family that had the bill up there, he just goes, it stops. And then I stopped doing it. I had them all on tape. Did he stop doing it? Did he stop doing it?

I'm not sure. I don't know. He's put the fear of God in me. Well, how did you find out that they were also ordering movies? Because, well, how did I figure out that they were? Did you, like, do an itemized check with the bill and we're just like, I didn't order that one? No, my mom told me, she goes, the reason why your dad didn't whip your ass about that. It's because we were also ordering.

Nah, she blamed it on him. And then later on, he was doing the, he blamed it on her. And also, this is great. In 1997, Buffalo video called the house. And they said, is Van Lathen there? And I was like, yeah, this is Van Lathen. And they go, we want to let you know that Butman's Big Brother Brazil is overdue. And I was like, what?

And they were like, yeah, you need to bring it back. You've had it for like, too. I'm like, oh, no, I'm Van Lathen Jr. And then the guy goes, this is a true story. But man's big butt Brazil? Something like that Something like that

You were just like putting words together Yeah he's like It's just like The guy goes Oh I'm like no this is my dad Oh yeah You might not want to tell your mom that

But yeah Like let dad know They need to bring these videos back But man I think Buffalo Don't Google that on the Spotify Why I'm doing it Might not be that

I don't think you got the title Exact It was something big It was big butts in Brazil or some shout out recipe's dad like it was big it was it was it was big

family members just catching strange I got nothing for you guys just so you know just like what stage the best Don King cameos are always funny in movies

all the New York cameos Alphonse Domano Don King I don't know who wins Don King leaning into it that he would be friends with the devil by the way which is also awesome

who would you give the Danny McBride Award for best job playing themselves would you go Demado? Yeah, DeMotto gets like, it really into it. I would go to Mado. He's like, yeah, this guy, Satan's just kidding. Van mentioned this, but the office building's amazing. The apartments are amazing. I have this at one stage the best. I'm always there for the face switch sex scene.

Oh, yeah. It's having sex and then all of a sudden somebody else is there and they get freaked out by it. It's an effective device. It is because it all, you know, harkens back to real life. What else do you have for what stage the best? I wanted to throw in a courtroom movie trope. Yeah. One of my favorite things is when a bunch of clerks bring the lawyer

like a cart full of books for research and the lawyer is like, where's the rest of it? They do that to him where he's like, he's just like, here's the health code and they just bring him one book. He's like, that's it. And then they're like, oh no. And like three guys come in with library cards with all the text. He's missing his two sidekick people that they always have in these movies.

Yeah, the Kevin Pollack and Demi Moore. Yeah. Or the Mori Tierney and Andre Brower. Yeah, yeah. You know what age is the best for me? Like the DOJ investigations, trading paper stuff. Yeah. Like it, that's 90s New York City.

90s New York City. DoJ stuff now every time he, DOJ is investigating. D.O.J. is investigating. It's one of the first movies where it's like, oh, the Department of Justice is looking us up. The Kid Cutty pursued a happen. It's the word for Best. Dino drop is the ending. All of a sudden,

paint a black kicks in. That's great. It's got to be, because there's really not another one. There's no real music. Big Kuhna Burger, best use of food and drink. It's got to be the voodoo meat, right?

Fuck no. Super scary meat. When is meat scary in a movie? What the hell's going to happen with this meat? He's got a looking 20-year-old van's, like idea of like, yeah, well, you know,

everybody has their weird ways of going about butchering meat. This guy did it in his house. I'll tell you what, though, that part of it is not. not and I don't want to that part of it is not that scary to me because I'm from South Louisiana Yeah sure so it's like you know

So you go with the shots the six shots in Gainesville No what would you go with She is Painting her house Yeah And she's got what looks to be a four piece from Poppice Oh that's right That's when you know

This motherfucker Great call man She takes a whole breast Great call and puts it in her mouth as she's, that's, like Popeye, she's a Southern girl. She's a Popeye's chicken eater.

New category. The Jimmy Conway Award for best or worse smoking, because we keep coming up with smoking in these rewatchables, isn't it? It's got to be Keanu, right? Keanu tries to smoke two cigarettes during this movie. I think he smokes in real life. But he's trying to make it seem like the character

doesn't know how to smoke. Yeah. So he's got this weird angle. but like I read the premiere magazine about this and they're saying how he's just sucking down American spirits the whole interview. So he definitely smokes. Yeah, there's pictures of him smoking.

I think pretty recently. Yeah, he's he 100% smokes. So I think he's making this weird character choice of the guy's a bad smoker because he picked it up. Well, because he's quit and now he's gone back on because he tells his, he tells. I don't like it. I'm like how he sold me.

He tells Marianne. He's just like, I have one cigarette in six months. Yeah. Yeah. Puccino, he smokes so many cigarettes that it looks like it's just a six finger. Like he's just holding it.

It's just smoking out. The Denny Theeves Bonihana Award for scene stealing location. I mean, you could pick seven New York locations

for this, right? Maybe, what would you say? The Trump apartment? Oh, I would just go like, or the roof. The roof is probably the coolest one.

And I think that Great Shock Gordo is the empty Fifth Avenue or whatever that's supposed to be. I know you said it was the good. Yeah. Like,

is there any intel on whether or not they cleared out that entire New York street to get that shot of day, I guess they have. I have that coming up. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Butch's girlfriend award for week link of the film. I think CR said it already. It's some of the special effects are just goofy now.

And it's weird because the roof works. All the demons based on. All the demons like merging into each other. It feels old. It feels very 1997 to me. If like everything was sort of like, oh, was he having visions or these homeless guys just beat them up.

You know what I mean? Or was she just freaking out in the dressing room? And instead they really, they lay it on thick with like the face changing. Although I think it is pretty effective when she's in the institution at the end and she kills herself. The movie becomes so fundamentally a different movie

when it leans all the way into the supernatural part. Because now it's like all of these people are actually demons. So everyone that works at his firm knows that he's the devil or select people know. But for whatever reason. It's like the ringer. Yeah.

Like. People find out about me eventually. But then like they're showing this to her because they need her to off herself so that he can then have the Antichrist. Yeah. The union. Incestuous. But you know it's crazy about the special effects. I would rather have that as what age is the worst than.

Weeklink. Than some sort of plot thing that can't be fixed. Because it never bothered me until special effects got better. Like I was actually. So what would you have for the week link? interesting i'd have to think um the accents in the movie are pretty bad the del row lindo accent

kiannu's southern accents oh i had that number one for what's age the worst which is the next category i guess so yeah the 90s were just really weird with accents it's also like this could be its own separate spin-off re-watchable pods of just the accents that didn't work where they're shooting i they're obviously like probably shooting out of order for variety of reasons but like

It just feels like... It kicks up some scenes. You can tell when somebody, like, either the story supervisor or Hackford or somebody has gone up to them and been like, you know, we need you to remember, you guys are from the South,

so like jack up the southern accents. And then sometimes they're just like, it's just Keanu Reeves talking, you know? Blood Diamond had this too with Leo. Certain scenes, he's got that kicking accent. That's a funny one, though. Like that, the Blood Diamond, the Leo accent.

He's a Rhodion. He's a, hey, got some mate. Like, that is really hilarious to me. By the way, like, I don't know if they spend any time in Gainesville, but, like, you can go to Gainesville. And you're like normal people. I mean, yeah, it's like, you know, I'm from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He can be from Gainesville and I fucking sound like Elmer Fudd or something like that.

I think he was trying to dial up the gentleman's southern lawyer a bit. The gentleman's southern lawyer or the I'm now in New York situation. Fish out of water. Yeah, fish out of water joint. I have a what's age the worst. I can't wait. The idea of Craig T. Nell. having sex for three and a half hours before Viagra.

Oh, dude. That's like his entire alibi. Now, obviously it falls apart. But, like, that's the premise of the case is, like, he's basically boning his assistant for three plus hours. Yeah, that's, if you were, like, 19, I can see it. Yeah. I mean, like, let's just be real.

You're not giving rounds around you? No, I'm just saying three and a half hours a long time. That's fucking long, dog. That's an overtime football game. Yeah. That's like Spartacus. Look, here's when Van has to act like he's super, not, man.

It's like, you know, I'll do it between the commercials. Would have been a funny, funny, uh, towner after. Yeah. Mr. whatever, we'll be his name, Colin? Colin. Three and a half hours.

Let's walk through that. Yeah, let's walk through that. Tell us. Yeah. How much of that was for play? I have for what's age the worst. And this is a 90s thing that doesn't happen anymore when somebody's drinking coffee in the morning and then they see a headline from a newspaper.

And they're like, shit. That never happens anymore. What's the equivalent of that now? Like Apple News? It's getting a notification. It's like looking at your phone. I miss the newspaper. Like, wait, what shit?

Yeah. Eddie Barzoon's jogging we covered. It's just some of the worst jogging we've ever seen the movie. This is kind of mean, but I'm just going to do it. Pacino's teeth are just disarming in this movie. I don't know what happened. And I even... Is it a character?

her choice or is it an Al Pacino choice? I went as far as to go Google Al Pacino Heat smiling. But man's big butts in Brazil. No, I didn't Google that. I googled Al Pacino Heat smiling and looked at his teeth. And then I looked at his teeth in this movie.

He must have gotten like this extra thing of veneers that he looks like almost like Matt Dillon and there's something about Mary. Like it's really disarming. She's got this giant fucking. And it's obviously he wanted to show him off because this is the only time I've ever noticed it. because there's a bunch of shots

where the camera's right in his mug and he's doing that big devil smile. Yeah. And so you think he added them? I just don't know if it's a character choice. Like they were like the devil would have a fake smile. Like a big devil smile. Or he got caps and then they were like, oh man,

ow, those caps are kicking. Like you, after the movie, you got to like scale those back a bit. Yeah, you got to shave him down a little bit. But yeah, those things really disarming. Van, this is for you for what's age is the worst. There's a deleted scene where Marianne is looking for Kevin at Eddie Barzun's party and someone redirects her to the library and she finds three people engaged in a threesome

and leaves when they invited her to join in and they cut it, I guess, for a time. But it was kind of part of why Marianne was so suspicious of everybody. Oh, yeah. Is they having sex in the whole situation? Just throwing a threesome out, I don't know. Maybe it would have kept that. You should probably leave that in the movie.

That's what I'm saying. What else I got for what stage is worth, anything? No, I was just talked about earlier. Like, I feel like the accents age the worst for me. Really, Eddie Barzone's whole character was like, it aged pretty badly to me. Just seeing Jeffrey Jones in a movie is age the worst. That's kind of the thing. For the people listening, he was the principal in Ferris Bueller, he became famous for.

He was a that guy for 20 years. He was in October. And then went to jail for some pretty bad stuff. Yeah. And it's when I see him now, I just think of it. Right? That's like, kind of the thing. It's one of those things.

You're like, oh, that guy. Right. Ron Burgundy Flute Award, best time for a P-break. There's a few candidates for this. I don't even know to narrow it down. I think Milton and Marianne talking at the party is like, it goes on for a very long time.

You're good with it after a while? Yeah, I'm like I can skip this scene. I get what's going on here. I'm far away. The hair scene. Painting and eating the chicken. Definitely.

I know. I know you love that part. No, no, no, no. No, no. No. No. No. Not the chicken part.

The painting. The going back and forth. with the lady. No, no, but there's like a cool scene. What's the cool scene? It's the, so you were saying about the color coordination of the four horse movie apocalypse and Pachitas wearing green. So she's like, keeps trying to paint the thing green.

And Jackie's like, that's not you. Like, she's almost trying to save her a little bit. Yeah. Oh. Okay. I didn't get that. That was my reading of like, she keeps trying to insist that she's painting a green. That's why CR CR.

I'm like, can we get to the shit? Great. Great works here. Yeah. Thanks. You know, I try. Was there a better title for this movie, no. Well, but is there a title for this movie,

and is there a way to have marketed this film where it's a twist surprise ending instead of... Oh, not Devil's Advocate? Yeah, like if it's just like... So you call Paradise Lost or something? Well, yeah, or... Or like the Tooby title. Yeah, or like, you know,

lawyer for the defense, like the last defense or something like that. You know, like something that's just like, oh, what's this about? Last defense. It's like calling a primal fear and not like... This guy turns into a different guy at the end of the movie.

If the movie's on Tooby, then the title of the movie is, damn, your daddy is the devil. And I'm watching that shit. Best quote, vanity. Definitely my favorite sin. I like that, but I really like, I'm the hand up, Mona Lisa's skirt. That's the most.

I'm a surprise. They don't see me coming. Yeah. That is, like Bill Belichick. What's going on? I'm just kidding. He's laughing his sick fucking out. It's definitely that speech.

Yeah, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, he's an absentee landlord. We'll take, uh, one more break and then how does take time. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana. Selling your car should feel like one less thing on your list. Not one more. With Carvana, it is. Just go to Carvana.com. And to your license plate or Vin and get a real offer down to the penny.

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Clinic Kids is a registered 501C3 nonprofit. It's dangerous ground when we do the SAS hottest take in a devil's film. Did you actually, you didn't happen to mention the Stephen A. Smith hottest take to Stephen A. Smith. I don't think he would have known how to react. Yeah, I had him on the podcast this week as we're taping it. I didn't mention that he was a rewatchable's category. I think he would appreciate it, though. I have a hottest take for you guys.

I think Keanu is the greatest bad actor of the last 35 years. I'm not sure he's a good actor. I've never known where I landed on it. I see him in scenes. Sometimes when he tries to act, it's funny. He can't really do accents. There's a charisma about him. I always feel like somebody could have played the part better,

but I genuinely love him. And it wasn't until John Wick that he kind of figured out who he was. Where it's just like to, oh, I got to strip this down. I'm trying too hard. I feel like the 90s and the 2000s, it's mostly him trying too hard in all these different roles. And then like most famously Dracula,

he's terrible. That being said, he's the top five movie star of the 90s. I would say he's a top like seven movie star of the last 35 years, right? Is that fair? Yes. That's why he's the greatest bad actor.

Let me tell you what works about him, though. A lot of things work about him. What worse about him is this, And you wouldn't think that this would work for an actor. But if you can do it to the level that he does it, it actually does work. What works is this aggressive and historic blankness to where he occupies a space. Yeah. And it looks like the things that are happening around him really could be happening

and around him. Like you bring up John Wick. I also think that this blankness is the reason why Neo works. Yeah. Because if you are, if all of that stuff is happening, if it's happening to anybody else, you're expecting some type of visceral freak out to like to a place to where it's going to disrupt the entire fucking structure of the Matrix movie. It's going to disrupt everything about the lore and the mythology of it. But because he is blank, almost unaffected, almost incapable of rising to like a certain dramatic point, it doesn't take you out of that. and you think it's happening to the right guy.

In that movie, you think it's happening to the right guy. And John Wick, you think it's happening to the right guy. In this movie, you think this is happening to the right dude because this dude is so out of sorts that he can't get to the point that either of us would get to because we would start to go, like, what the fuck is going on? So you're saying there's a cluelessness about him that actually works. There's a cluelessness about him

and about his performance and things that actually kind of work. And it started with, obviously, he's clueless in point break, but also like in parenthood. You know what I mean? To where he's just like, He's good in parenthood. He's good because he's so. I preface that by saying I love Keanu.

I just don't think he's a great actor. No, I get what you mean, but I think there is something in his performance that is kind of, like, there's a charisma thing. Yeah, I think it's like, it depends on the character that he's playing. So, like, you know, if you watch him in. private Idaho the matrix point breaks speed

there is like that kind of like surfer dude Californian blankness that works and then if you put him in much ado about nothing or you make him a scientist in chain reaction or the hard ball the gambling literally coach

he just can't quite get there you just would like that I love that movie yeah but like this movie right here if you had somebody who was like a I don't know. Who's in this? Okay, but here's the crucial question is, is whether or not Lomax is actually,

am I going to save this for the unanswerable questions, but is Lomax a good lawyer? Because Lomax throughout the film is benefiting from having visions or who, like, Del Rilindo chokes out the public, the prosecutor, right? And like, at every point in the sort of proceedings, he's assisted by the devil himself.

He makes the choices. but I don't know that he ever is like that brilliant of a lawyer in this movie, right? I think that you're First scene he is. You're led to believe that he is and then at the end they want to kind of despecial him. Well, yeah, because they go back

and they say this was actually all in his head. Right. This was his biggest choice. And he's only actually special which is what the devil is trying to tell him. You only actually matter if you have sex with your sister and create the antichrist.

Everything else was me. So I don't know. to be honest with you, I don't know that on his own merit that he's like such a good lawyer. You know what I mean? But back to Keanu though, I think that sometimes for action stars or guys that are in movies that everybody, I think Paul Walker kind of had that same thing.

Oh, he won't, that's why Fast and Furious was a point break rip off. Paul Walker was Keanu. Yeah. I love that Keanu existed because I think we specifically need actors like this. Not everybody can just be Daniel DeLewis, you know? Like I love the replacements.

I wouldn't say he's like an Oscar contender for the replacement. But he's perfect for the role. Really fun to watch that movie. Anyway, casting what if? So they almost made this movie in 94 with Joel Schumacher and Brad Pitt. I would have liked to have seen this version of the movie. Schumacher planned a sequence in which Pitt would descend into the New York subway system,

which we've modeled on the circles of hell in Dante's Divine Comedy. They couldn't find an actor to play Satan and the project collapsed. If Brad Pitt is in this movie, he gets nominated for best. It's better. He's better than King's. If he gets not, if he's in this movie, the movie is like, I think same for Johnny Depp too. Johnny Depp at this point, at this point in his career,

I think he would have been really good. Pacino turned this movie down five times. It would have had more visual effects and was more blockbustery and they kept rewriting it. And after Keanu chose to do it, he agreed to a pay cut so Pacino, they could pay him to be in it. Because that's how badly he wanted to be with Pacino.

know and that's what happened and then charliez um almost didn't do it because the same reason she didn't do show girls and ended up doing it i just thought about one other devil performance that sticks out of my mind nicholson in the witches of these yeah um ruffalo hannah rubidick partridge overacting award i can give you Craig t nelson i can give you the southern accent reporter guy from the beginning larry i can give you all the times keanu tries to dial it up i could give you Pacino for the whole movie. What do you got, Sierra? I've got Charlize.

What are we talking about? Absolutely. She's going nuts. Okay. Kevin, I never see you anymore. And now that you've got this big case, it's just only going to get worse. If you can believe it,

I'm actually looking forward to having your mother come and visit. What about the apartment? God damn you! Why do you always have to go and change things around? It's a couple of new suits and you're fine. It's a little more than that, Mayor. I have a fine.

but it's not. It's like a test. The whole thing is like one big tent. Best that guy word, I can give you machine. Is Jeffrey Jones of that guy? I'll say he is. Yeah. I think he's Jeffrey Jones.

I think he's because of the stuff. Yeah. Okay, maybe. The doorman from the Jefferson's Paul Benedict? Is he that guy or is he Paul Benedict? I think he's that guy. And your lady from Law & Order SVU. Yeah.

Who I didn't know her name. I mean, Machine always wins from me, Van. I think Machine has to win. I think he's one of the enduring that guys of my life. I can't stop that. He is. What do you have, Sierra? For that guy?

Yeah, I'll go with Machine. Do you know who else could kind of be a that guy? I don't know what else I've seen him in, but the guy on the subway that he tells to go kill his wife's lover. Oh, yeah. I've seen that dude in a bunch of shit. I should look them up. Chris Bauer is now in heels.

He was in Survivor's Remorse. He was in 81 episodes of True Blood. But then if you go back to this late 90s run he had when he officially became of that guy, he's in Face Off, the Devil's Advocate, 8mm, high fidelity, and 61. Who is he? High High fidelity. He played Paul. apparently.

So great run. He's machined to me, though. He's a deleted scene. I've seen that movie dozens of times. I don't remember him being in it. Dion Waiters Award. Biggest hot check. Dion Waders, rumors of a possible NBA comeback.

I don't know if you saw the stories. Yeah, it was on hoops hype the other day. Dion's thinking of come back. Dionne, shout out to Dion Waders, man. Dion Waders was talking about a lot of the things that dogged him during his NBA career, and he feels like he's gotten over them, and he might be able to get back in the league.

It would be great for the rewatchables. I would love if you start citing Hoopsite just all the time on the rewatchables. So I can give you for Deanne Waiters. I can give you machine. I can give you Delroy and Linda or I can give you horny Asian elevator lady. Giselle from Paris. From Paris. Hey, bro.

I also, how about- Giselle was cooking. What about Judith Ivy as the mom? She makes me uncomfortable. So I don't enjoy the mom. I should have mentioned her for what age is the worst. And I hate that. character. I don't like anything.

I hate that. I hate that character. I'm going to go Delroy. Recasting couch. Let's get Jeffrey Jones the fuck out of this movie. How about Robert Ridgely, aka the colonel? Eddie Barzune? Eddie Barzune? Yeah. Yeah.

I think of 97. Who would be a good Barzune? Philip Baker Hall? No, I think you need somebody a little bit more likely to jog. Like a... As an Eddie Barzoom. I had William H. Macy. Not bad.

Not bad as Eddie Barzoom. He's a little swarmy at that point. Half As Saturday research. I have another recasting coach. Go. I have Tom Scarrett as Cullen. Oh. Oh, yeah.

Tom Scarrett. You like it? Going a little heel? Going to a little heel. I love Scarrett. You guys fuck with Scarlet? Fuck yeah. And who did we say would have been better than Keanu

and gotten an Oscar nomination? Brad, Brett, Brett, right. Half, Saturday Research. There's a whole copyright lawsuit. Nobody would recast as Milton. Because there was like rumors about Redford. No. Redford would be awful.

Redford wouldn't have worked. The only reason why I thought about the Jack Nicholson thing earlier is because Nicholson would have worked. Well, he could have done the speeches for sure. Yeah. Nicholson would have worked. Have fast certain research. There's a whole copyright lawsuit about one of the sculptures in the film and they had

to edit out of future releases. The one at the end, the big one. Yeah, go Google it if you're interested. The Outdoor Patio and John Melville. office was on the 50th floor of a New York City building. The actual stage was eight feet away from the edge of the building and then the special effects. That was an actual Roy Jones Jr.

fight. Yeah. They shot at the car. October 4th, 1996. Roy Jones was our IBF super middleweight champion. He squared off against a top contender named Brian Brannon. What happened, Van? You beat the shit out of him.

Like, he beat the shit out of everybody when he was in his prime. He knocked him out and. Round two. By the way, just to let you know, that is one of the things that aggravated me the most about this movie. Like, Lomax doesn't know fucking shit about boxing. He's standing up there, rooting for the other guy.

He was food for Roy Jones Jr. Nobody is not rooting for Roy Jones Jr. At his height was un-fucking, he was the guy. Mid-90s, he was the guy. At 1680, he probably was at that time. It was unstoppable. He's like, oh, my God.

Of course Roy's going to win. They don't have cable down there in Gainesville. Connie Nielsen had only been in America for a month when she landed the park. When Lomax, when he walks through the street and there's nobody there, it was shot on a Sunday at 7.30 am and they cleared out 57th Street. What, you, New York, people who know a lot about New York, like, what is that situation like? That entails a lot. Yeah, that's a lot of.

Really sleeps. There's always going to be action. Yeah. So at the end when John Milton morphs into Lucifer, They used life masks from Keanu and Pacino in 1997 and then Pacino and the Godfather and mixed all the stuff together. So his face would move. The famous Rick Baker was involved.

Yeah. Wow. How about that? The John Williams of makeup or maybe John Williams is the Rick Baker of music. Apex Mountain. I don't have any actor from this movie as an Apex Mountain. I was just going to ask if it's Apex Mountain for Satan on film. I have that.

That's what I have. I think it is. For the devil on film. For Satan on film. Actual devil. Not Dean's. No, no. It's a guy playing Satan.

A guy, a person playing Satan. It's this. It's I guess devil and Daniel Webster. And then it's Lewis Seifle. How about scary roof scenes? Scary roof scenes? Hmm. I hadn't really thought about that.

Yeah. There's been like some inception stuff. I don't think. They got roof scenes that I could think of like scary roof scenes. maybe not. Red Jones Jr., I'm going to say yes. It's a height of his power right now. What about y'all must have forgot? Y'all not tapped me.

I don't know that you're talking about. I don't know about y'am also forgot? You never heard that joint? Is that his song? Y'all never heard Roy get down? No, I don't know that one. I knock Virgil Hill out with a body shot. Y'all must have forgot. Well, obviously, we're more familiar with his working devil's advocates, and that's probably his apex

Mel. Alphonse Tomato? He had probably some bills pass. that were greater accomplishments than this. Don King? No. A nod. Don King's in a synod.

How about boning your assistant while your family gets murdered? Would you put this in there? Probably as a plot point or as like an actual act of. Yeah, that's definitely the apean. How about Charlie's Theron eating chicken and say probably yes? I don't remember another scene where she's got a four piece. That got cut out of Fury Road, you know. I got a video tape that and send it to house and just see what he.

he thinks. Two things he loves. Best racehorse name. Fan of man. Fan of man was good. I had Barzoon. Barsoon's great. That's great.

That one wins. Picking Nits. So, you know, it is courtroom. The speed of these cases are just flying by. Would have loved a little more courtroom time. Did the Cullen case get dismissed? Collin case just goes. He's like, oh, yeah.

He also gets, like, every time he's like, can I get a recess, the judge is like for sure. You got it, Lomax. By the way, he could, he literally put something in with no discovery. Yeah. And the judge goes, I'll allow it. Yeah, the notes from the the numbers. Yeah. We're going to at least have to have a recess in that situation. Yeah. So that you give the prosecution an opportunity to look over it if the judge allow it. This is not the most faithful court removed. Yeah. Kevin Lomax's horrible husband. Just flouting that out there for picking nits. That's a nitpick. Yeah, just like go home a little more often.

I got a knit. Yeah. The mom fucks the devil in 1960. No, no, I have it. 67? 67.67, whatever. Comes back up to New York. Summer of love, you know?

Summer of love. She's having sex with the devil. He puts her, whatever. And like, she doesn't. There's no change. There's no change. You know what I mean? It's like, back at church on Sunday.

Back at church, she fucks the devil. She has this. She know, I have so many questions about this. Does she know that she fucked the devil? Or does she, I think she's always worried about it. That's why she's so religious. I think this, she's always in the running for a weak link of the movie for me. It's just the mom's relationship with Pacino and how it evolved and was she worried about

her son and she made a little more villain. Does he look like an Eagle Needle Park Al Pacino when he has sex with her? Or is he always looked like old Al Pacino? Oh. See what I'm saying? That's a good unanswerable question. Well, he was a waiter at the time. Right.

So old Al Pacino being your waiter, you'd be like. what's up with you what happened to your life you know and she and then she looks at him and she recognizes him and like you don't say hey just let you know that guy that you're working for like that's your dad like she waits some unanswerable questions yeah good call i don't like in the ending when keanu says cut the shit dad to Pacino it's like you're gonna call him dad now what's going on here it's father you never had let's talk about the ending Pacino turns. So it all turns out to be

the Bobby Ewing in Dallas. Oh my God. I was just staring in the mirror and all this stuff happened in my head. But then at the end, Pacino, the reporter morphs into Pacino at the tail line. Like he's still watching over him.

Well, it would stand the reason that Satan is still present, you know, but what he's doing is testing him. He's always testing him. I had a thought here. I went to. You go first.

You go first. Okay, well, my thing is both in the satanic, fantasy that happens when he looks in the mirror and then when they go back to reality, Larry, the journalist, does not wash his hands after urinating. Jesus Christ, Larry. It's just a nitpick.

Hep, hep. These are the things you notice when you watch a movie three times. My thought was this. You wash your hands every time after you, like, pee in a public place, right? But you never forget, right? Because I was, my biggest fear is just forgetting one time and then it's like,

I was in this bathroom with Bill Simmons and wash his hands I'm like so I'm always like I always washed my hands I went through a Howard Hughes face where I was washing my shit trying to get because of germs and stuff sure but also I'm more

I'm more obsessed with shaking it out so I don't have that little droplet yeah right because like you that last one that little droplet um but I have a thought about this I have a thought that he this is on a loop

that he's going to keep trying Keanu until he gets him. Because what's the significance he takes the wedding ring off, right? Right. Yeah, and that's like the kind of the inception kind of like token that shows that he's in the...

So if Keanu wouldn't have blown his brains out and he would have had sex with her and they would have had the antichrist, then we would have never gone back to the courtroom. But him blowing his brains out, Milton then, because remember, we already say he's in limbo. So he was, I thought about this so much last night

that Kalika made me go to sleep. Like, he's already in limbo. When he walks down the street, there's nobody on the street. He's in a different dimensional plane. If he agrees to do it, then things keep moving forward. But because he said no and blew his brains out, he gets sent back to Gainesville and Milton is going to try him again this time in a different way.

Do we even do the hot-stake ones, or do we just get distracted by asking if you asked Stephen A. Smith about it? I did one, but then you guys Well, the hottest take is like Once Marianne is dead Are you just better off taking the devil's offer And being like the chief attorney general for Satan

With a hot half-sister girlfriend And you just run the Trying to raise the Antichrist Yeah Trying to raise Day moment Or you can go back to Gainesville and sling Saturn's Because you're not you're going to get disbarred This is the sequel

This is like you know what This is the sequel Growing up devil Like them raising a little boy Grand Pappy, Satan And the whole nine This is the sequel It's like the omen

Cross with Blank I had this In an unanswerable But In night So this movie's filmed The 96 Florida was in the sugar bowl

They beat Florida State 52 to 21 Steve Spurter era Next year won the Citrus Bowl be Penn State 216 It's a nice little run Orange Bowl

the year after beat Syracuse. I think it would have been tough to leave Gainesville unless the devil was tempting him. Great spot. So here's the thing. Isn't that where Florida University is? It's in Gainesville, yeah. Here's the thing.

Like, for me personally, like Florida football could never win another game ever again in life, and I would be okay with it. Yeah. When I say, so this is the perfect setting for you. They could go zero for the rest of eternity.

Yeah. And I would be okay. Okay. For Spurrier's crimes, as an LSU fan, where we're down something like 40 points and they run a fake punt in Tiger Stadium. Yeah. Like they were...

He's the ball coach, though. They were... I don't, fuck him. They were pretty unstoppable unless they went up against Nebraska. They got that ass handed to him. But they were pretty unstoppable for that time. Warful, fucking all of those guys hanging around.

You have any more piganets? Another really random one, but in the first... courtroom scene when the prosecutor is done first he asks you know barbara the questions he takes off his glasses and he just throws him on the table where keanu reeves is sitting i was always just like like what you get your glasses man what are you doing it's a really random gesture that's funny sequel prequel prestige tv all black cast are untouchable this is a pretty obvious prestige tv show to me but i also don't know if i'd watch it it feels like the kind of thing like

showtime would do and I would decide it in like the first two actors that they picked I'm like I'm out good try guys I'm mildly interested in a prequel so they in 2014 Andrew Niederman wrote a prequel novel called Judgment Day and then tried to make a TV series

out of it and John Wells and Arnold Copelson who were two pretty big dudes could not get it off the ground for NBC in 2014 oh NBC would be fucking terrible. Like you don't want it to go there. Like you wanted to yeah. That should have been like HBO or stars. The juice of this movie is how depraved

it is. Yeah. Can you walk us through all black cast? Devil's Advocate for like 20 seconds? Okay, let's do it. All black cast, are we going in 97? Let's say now, remake, 23. So the John Milton and Samuel L. Jackson.

That's a pretty easy one. I would say, what if you flipped it in Viola Davis was Jane Milton. That works. Oh. That works. That's a great idea.

That works. That's probably how it would be done too. Like, that works. I like that female devil. I like it. Because then it's like... I feel like Zazi Beetz is in this movie.

Zazi Beets is his wife. She's Charlize. Either Zazzy Beets or... Or she could be... Or Tesson Thompson. She could be... We could just gender flip it. Oh, you do the whole thing?

All black cast gender flip. Oh. Oh, my God. Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we woke as fuck. Let's take the meeting. Let's just talk it out. Let's do it.

We go into the Golden Glove. So who's the husband? We're going to the Golden Glove. Shout out, Selena. Shout out, that's a joke. Who's Zazzi's husband then? The husband's got to be, so Zazzy's husband has to be somebody like. Lawrence from.

Perfect. I feel like this is now, we needed to judge up this category a little bit, and I think it's incumbent on each rewatchable's panelists to try and go. Just on the cover. Like four for four, like prestige all black gender swap. But let me tell you. We're in the fucking hall of fame for that. So let me tell you what we could do.

So now the hot Connie Nielsen character is an interesting one because we can either go, we can go straight up, you know, we can go hot guy for them to have the baby or it's hot guy. You just want to go hot guy? You know who loves hot guy parts right now and B.J. Jay Ellis plays Marianne. he's freaking out at home. Right. Like he's the one who's just like,

I moved up here for you, baby. Let me tell you why that might be a problem. Okay. Because they're not going to go for that on Twitter. Okay. They're not going to go for this. Isaiah knows. Isaiah knows.

They're not going to go for him trying to stand in the way of her career. We've done that before. Isaiah knows. Look at this trifling-ass motherfucker. She's a lawyer. She's got to work, duh, so they're not going to go for that. But you do the Jay Ellis roll, but maybe somebody less, maybe a little bit more of an every man.

Someone of a less contentious background. Yeah, no, there's a little bit more of an every man. How about Jason Tatum as the Connie Nielsen character? Which is his first act in front. I'm just thinking of like a handsome. Yeah, he's six foot eight. He comes along in the whole nine. Women in Boston fainting in the stands when Drake brought him out in the Boston concert earlier this week.

That's a lot of beige, man. Those two guys together, they can't, you know what I'm saying? That's just going to, like, that's going to overflow the ladies. Shout out to Drake and Jason, man. So you don't want Denzel in this movie. You'd want you'd want Sam Jackson. I think, Sam. Yeah, let's do Sam.

Sam needs to get, Sam needs a deep blue-se type movie after. I'd love to see her in a movie where she just fucking cooked and had fun. Where she was like, oh, Bill had fun. This is my hope for the Amanda Waller series, because Amanda Waller's a big-time villain in D.C. She is preserved. I want to see her just be like I'm a fan of man. Yeah. Just think about her giving that same one.

That's actually a good idea. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Catherine Hans, Steve Bouchemy, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh or Philip Baker Hall. We just had the same Jackson. Well,

I mean, I was wondering that Sam Jackson's good, but like if you're panning across in that last scene in Milton's apartment or his office, you know, and it's Milton, it's Lil' Max, it's Krista Bella. Then Wayne Jenkins is just standing by. the bar and he goes

goddamn Kevin I didn't know you are the prince of darkness I myself play a character with a complicated family situation and FX is the bear I ain't ever take a run in my half sister though

they send you away a long fucking time for that big boy Wayne wins again Wayne always wins Just want to ask her who gets it, Pacino? Yeah, or Tony. I wouldn't mind. I gave it to the screen.

Dapping up Tony. I like it. I gave it to the script. You know what? There was a, you know what? There was a thought because I wouldn't give any of them. There was a thought maybe that this is a well-directed movie. It's a well-paced movie.

Yeah. I wouldn't go best direct for Oscar. Yeah. But maybe a script. Probably in answerable questions. I don't want to get too complicated here. For probably in answerable questions. But if they had stunt cast Trump as Cullen, does Trump become president?

Wow. Does he have then like another like I'm doing my acting thing? How about does he become president sooner? Oh, God. I don't think so. Maybe he runs in fucking 2000. I don't know. Oh, you're saying if Trump caught the acting bug.

Yes. And then Hollywood was like, let's let this guy play like the colonel in the situation room or whatever. Like he has like a... It's like a reverse Schwarzenegger. Yeah. He just starts acting. Yeah. And he's too busy acting.

Maybe. Who knows? It's a good one. It's a good answer. Actually, yeah. You already... And the other unanswerable question I have is what does this film say about Gator fans? Right.

And you kind of... I went a little darker. Does the Antichrist really come from half siblings having sex with each other? I thought it was a... It's usually a product. Well, there's a lot of product of incest stuff. I don't know. I just need a better definition for so I'm ready when we have an antichrist.

I never knew. It's an incest or there are there animals involved? Like you thought it was a jackal. Like so as long as a jackal doesn't focus. That was in the omen. Yeah. Right. You know, his mother was a jackal.

I never knew that the antichrist, I never knew where he or she because we always assume it's going to be a man, okay, messanjury. I never knew where the Antichrist really had to be. I thought that the Antichrist was, does it have to come from a specific lineage? Well, I thought the Antichrist was the Child of Satan. I didn't think it was, so that's why in this movie were, No, it is the child of Satan.

But right, so in this, if that was the case that took some liberties. But doesn't the Antichrist also have to have 666 somewhere in its head? You got to like cut the head out. That's what they do in Day Moment. But I thought the Antichrist. Damo, stop. Dame. I just, I'm sure, I've seen the Omen a lot.

I've sure the nickname. I didn't know that the Antichrist was, I just thought it was the person that would unite the armies of the earth against God. I didn't know that it was a specific lineage. Need more Antichrist. I think we just all need to settle on a definition. You know what we should do?

And I guess they tried to do this in Little Nicky, but we should do like a lighthearted comedy about a kid that's actually the Antichrist, but he gets adopted by a nice family. And he doesn't want to be. And he doesn't want to be the antichrist. He's rejecting it. He doesn't want to be the antichrist. He's like, I don't want to

cause revelations. He's not the Antichrist in Hereditary. He's just a demon coming to it. Yeah. They rarely go full Antichrist in the movie. They do. They go demon, but every once in a while, they'll have an Antichrist. Omen was Antichrist, and then they had

Rosemary's is Antichrist, right? Antichrist, Omega Code. The child of the devil. My second piece ever for ESPN. was called is Roger Clemens the Antichrist. Roger Clemens? Yeah. Roger Clemens.

Because you were mad that he went to play for the Yankees. Did you get you pushed back on that headline? Well, it was 2001. It was a little gameier back then. It was basically a whole piece about how Roger Clemens fucked over the city of Boston and we all hated him. Here's my other in answerable question. How did Pacino age 10 years from heat to devil's advocate, which was only a two-year span?

How did it become 10 years older? in real life. Is that just like so many cigarettes? He just started to age in dog ears. That's a good question. He feels 10 years older than he does as Vincent. And he's obviously kind of like he looks so good in Glenn Gary at the beginning of the decade. Yeah.

So I wonder how old he is when he does that. And he looks good at heat like for Pacino. Like he's in shape. I think sometimes it might depend on who's shooting you how they're shooting you. You know what you think? Because like in this movie I was actually surprised when I watched it like how non. dapper, he was. He looked cool in the party scene.

Yeah. But by the way, some all-time bad suits in this movie. Like, he, like, Keanu suits are terrible. It's a tough era. Yeah. This was the NBA's effect on actors. It was really starting to hit in the wrong way. Jordan's wearing those oversized suits at that point,

and it just fucked everything up for like three years. Some of those drafts. I love some of those drafts. These guys. See, everyone lost their minds for three years. So you give it more to the NBA players, It was not David Byrne, right? Talking heads.

Well, that was 80s. I know. He was joking. Jordan looked good in anything. Jordan looked good in anything he wore. So when he was pulling off these suits, everyone was like, oh, is that the style now? And then they just kind of followed him.

Michael Jordan is, this is what I love about Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is the best at one thing. He's a good businessman and all that stuff. But a lot of the other stuff, sometimes like relating to human beings. Right. dressing. Like all of this stuff, Michael Jordan is terrible.

Like Michael Jordan is an amazing. But when he shaved his head and it started off the shave the head thing. Yeah. At that point everybody's like Jordan. Yeah, but like, follow that guy. Do you think that Al Pacino looks the way he does

in the devil's advocate because of Michael Jordan? No, I think Jordan started a really weird wardrobe era. Okay. That you can see everywhere you look in the mid-90s, everywhere. There's weird sweaters. There's weird suits. Just things go, hey, where.

Best double feature choice for this movie, I would say injustice for all. I got a big zag. What do you got? Because I'm going to need a little lightheartedness after this, but I still want the devil. Bedazzled. But dazzled? I love it. I love the movie.

Yeah. I love that movie. Go back and guys and watch it. It's one of the stupid movies that Van loves. Elizabeth Hurley. I can make a first team here pretty soon. Elizabeth Hurley with Brendan Fraser, the now resurgent Brendan Fraser,

plays the devil. Nice little message, funny. Indian Red So on Air Word for what happened the next day. We kind of talked about this. You think it's just he keeps trying to tempt him. But it is kind of interesting to wonder. I guess Larry is like, I'm going to do an expose on this story

and Kevin will be able to keep his legal standing in the state of Florida. I kind of understand, I guess so. I guess like you say he's going to go on 60 minutes. and he's now going to become, but the trial's not over. Yeah. So we don't really, you know,

I don't know, but it's just the fact that he's still susceptible to vanity and to his. I think he moves to Steve Spurrier. Oh, he like becomes like a quality control guy. He's like, I'm bored with this Lomax guy. I'm just going to, I'm going to go after a football coach. Okay.

This is where I should be. Forget law. Oh, this Satan goes after Steve Spurrier? Yeah. He already got him. He's like I'm done with Ler Mae. That was obviously a lot of double stuff. Yeah, he already got it.

He already had him. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? The box cutter. Which one? The one on the subway, the box cutter. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Roy Jones Junior tickets.

Roy Jones Jr. tickets would be good. But I want the fucking, the controversial sculptor. Oh, the fallen angels? Because maybe when the devil tries to tempt me, they'll come alive. And I don't know. Coach Finstock award for Best Life Lesson. Free will. Stop blaming other people

Oh yeah It's all your choice man Okay You'd be tempted by stuff and dangled But it's your choice Just don't ignore your wife Keep the wife happy Happy wife happy life

Happy wife happy life Where else You'll have to have sex with your sister Who in the movie? Al Pacino Al Pacino Al Pacino Not his teeth but the rest of Alpuccino

Isaiah what you think Isaiah had a tough one. I still have an hour left. Perfect. It's not my favorite film so far. Isaiah that's like the 90s. You don't, like, is there any movie from the 90s that you're just really, really fucking with?

I don't watch so many movies, so it's hard to say. There you go. This movie came out, what, 97, right? Yeah. It was like a year before I was born. Oh, my God. You know what I don't want to be. Yeah, I don't know.

It's a strange movie. I don't really do Satan, so like, he doesn't do Satan. Isaiah, that's a good question. I don't do say that's good. I don't do say that. That's probably going to serve you well in this life, honestly. I hope so.

Courtroom Month wraps up with a live show of a few good men that we're going to be doing next week. We did a Twitter vote and people voted for liar, liar over devil's advocate. And we did devil's advocate anyway. But I do think that you've kicked around Carrie Month. You've kicked around like some Carrie stuff. There's a lot of Carrie left. I'll just leave it at that. Yeah.

I don't know if you've heard of Jim Carrey. Oh, Carrie Month. Yeah, yeah. I know for some reason I thought what blood on people at the prom look here. There's some, there's some media. Although that would be funny to throw Carrie into Carrie month. Just do carry during Carrie. Jim Carrey or people named Carrie.

Or people named Carrie. Carrie Fisher. This podcast was produced by Isaiah Blakely who hates 90s movies. It doesn't understand why the Jay Libralic extension doesn't happen yet. It's going to be fucking crazy if this pod, when this pod comes out, he still hasn't signed. Yeah, we're taping this. What is this? It's truly Dame Omen's hot time for you if that happens.

Dame Oman. He said today he's going overseas. It's like, well, this is going to go through July now. I don't get it. Van, CR, good to see you.