The Rewatchables - ‘The Fast and the Furious’ With Bill Simmons and Shea Serrano

Episode Date: January 22, 2019

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A business deal that went sour. Plus, I made the mistake of sleeping with his sister. The Fast and the Furious. All right, Bill Simmons is here. Shea Serrano is here. It went like this. I texted Shea and I said, I want you to come to L.A. to do a couple rewatchables.

and one of them is the Fast and the Furious. And She just booked this flight. It was like, as I was talking, he's like, I'm in. I'm on a 6.30 flight. I get in on Wednesday. And there we go. This has been the lost great, the Fast and the Furious movie out of all of them. This is the one that started it.

This started one of the most successful movie franchises of all time, not on as much as the other ones. No, and that's a shame. If you go from like from four on, it feels like fast and, When it really ballooned and blossomed, four, five, six, seven, eight is ridiculous. We love all of them. One is just an old school movie. It's set in Los Angeles. It's got a bunch of different groups of people.

People that weren't usually in movies a lot. It has a young Vin Diesel. Really before anybody knew who the hell he was, he had been in only a couple things. Paul Walker had been in a couple things, but this is what broke them. Did you see this movie in the theater? I did. What was your reaction? My reaction was I went with Laramie

I went with my wife We saw it at a small theater And I had the same reaction That everybody else who I just watched it had We were in college So it was a whole bunch of idiots We get out of the theater We get in the car

And you're like mum mum mum Yeah Yeah Like a little Ford tempo Like a little shitty Ford tempo Four cylinder Just revving it all the way up To 7000 RPMs

Flying through the parking lot I say flying like 10 miles an hour I remember being angry that they had ripped off point break so blatantly because point break had come out, I think, maybe I don't know, 10, 11 years before. And it was just an obvious point break with cars. Right.

And then I kind of gave into it. I liked it. I didn't love it. I didn't really, really love it until it started making the cable rounds. But I was like you. I remember where I saw it. I saw it in Revere, which is outside Boston. You had to get on the highway to drive back to my house.

I lived in Charlestown. And it was like a little five-minute highway thing. and I got in my car and I was like a bad out of hell. You got a book it. That's a reaction. You just like, was your car a standard or automatic?

At that point, I had an automatic. Okay, see, I had a standard. Oh, no, no. What's the one with the shift? Standard, my bad. Yeah, yeah, I had the standard. I screwed up. Two car guys on the body.

It's terrible. Standard, I had the stick shift. Yeah, I had the stick shift too. So when you're driving and you, like, obviously you don't have gnaz in the car. So you just come off of the car. clutch and then you mash it down again and it sort of jumps forward. Good enough.

That's good enough, Nause for me, baby. So cars have been a recurring theme in movies going back, way back when. And in some cases, like smoking the bandit, which doesn't even really have a plot. It's like Bert Reynolds, he's in his car, he's got the truck behind him, and they've got to, like, get across country. But this was the first one where the cars almost felt like as big of a character as the characters. I don't remember this happening before in this specific way where it's like, if you like,

there's this whole street racing thing happening. I don't really understand this world. I'm being taken into it. I want to know more. Because you know those heard rumors. You'd be like, oh, yeah, three in the morning, you hear people racing. I wonder what that is.

But I'd never been taken in that world. What did you know about that world before this movie? I didn't know anything about it. We had a different kind of car culture in San Antonio. We were going slow. Like that was the point there. There's a street called military, Southwest Military. And like Sunday night, that's where everybody would go.

When you turned like 17, 18 years old, you would go and you would ride just up and down the street as slow as you could with everybody else and try and look cool. This one, I had never heard of any street racing stuff until I saw this movie. And then I was like, does this really exist? What's going on here? And then I found out they'd do it in Houston. Yeah. So we were like, go down there and try to. Well, Houston must be amazing.

I mean, there's just highways and lean. Lanes after lane. L.A. L.A. has a whole scene there. I lived near Highland when I first moved here. And Highland's one of the most famous streets in the Hollywood L.A. area because it's just long and straight. You have like, L.A., it's a grid system, but you figured out after a while. It's like Highland, L'Brien, LaBraya, Fairfax, Lassian. It kind of goes down toward Beverly Hills. And Highland has a couple straightaways where it's like from Melrose to Beverly, from Beverly the third, from third to six. there's really no stoplights and you can really fly. And that was the first time I had heard about this street racing thing in L.A. Where people would wait until 3.3.30 of the morning, they would meet at like Melrose

and they would just be like, all right, we're racing from Melrose to Walsh to Walsh right now. Right. But I never saw it. It was just like rumors. Yeah, I never saw it in person. I am pretty sure you can't go over 50 miles an hour in L.A. from 7 o'clock in the morning until 8 o'clock at night. There's just nowhere.

Where are you going to do it? Okay. There's just too much. So you would have to do the three in the morning thing. So I'd always been fascinated by it. But with this movie, it was a 1998 vibe article about undercover street racing in New York City called Racer X. So Vibe Magazine, huge win.

Yeah. Watch is the whole Fast and Furious series. I always wondered if they, do they get money for that? Does the writer get money for that? How does that work? I think they just, you buy the rights to the story and you get the check. The lesson here is take a little less. on the check and get like a shaving of a point.

Get a back end. Yeah, get a little like a little point, 0.25 back end point. And you would have been doing really well. So Paul Walker, the late beloved Paul Walker, I was surprised by how much I love Paul Walker when we found out that he tragically passed away. I was like devastated. He's incredible. He had wrapped up the skulls.

He'd come off varsity blues and then the skulls. Yeah. Yeah. Who was he in varsity blues? I mean, not varsity blues. He's Vasily Blues. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was Lance Harbor.

I'm getting him confused. Lance. He was, like, I'm getting him mixed up. Mallory has an issue with that movie because it's basically Paul Walker is taking credit for creating the RPO in that movie, I think. Or the five, no, it's the five receiver, no running back. He's like, we're going to try something crazy here. It's like, pretty sure this exists. So then he did The Skulls.

The director of that movie, Rob Cohen, and the producer, Neil Moritz, who is on this podcast, actually, once upon a time. They asked Walker, what do he want to do next? Walker tells them, What does he say? My dream project is a mashup of Days of Thunder and Donnie Brasco. Okay. So they file that away.

They find this article about street racing, and they pitch it as a remake of point break set in L.A. with Walker's character playing a cop who infiltrates the illegal racing world. That's what Paul Walker says. the Venn diagram. Yeah. Paul Walker says, I'm in.

That's fantastic. So we're off. Seems like a really, it made me think like, why aren't more movies pitched as point break and blank? It should be. What would be the next one?

Die hard, right? Yeah. We get a whole series of die hard and blank. Point break, but with. So the key with point break, if nobody's seen it,

we did a rewatchable's about it. And if you haven't seen point break, how dare you? There's some, somebody, a group is doing something illegal, but they're cool. You're kind of rooting for them.

And we're rooting for them to successfully commit the crimes. Somebody goes in to infiltrate the group but get sucked in. There's always the girl they fall for. The lead guy is such a cool guy that's almost like their buddy. They don't want to turn on them.

And you have all these dynamics in play. And I don't understand why this isn't just a movie every four years with different things. Sports gambling should be the next one. A sports gambling ring that somebody infiltrates and then they get the boss and now they're fixing bets.

So they spent $38 million. It made $216 million. Yes. It spawned seven sequels and counting. They're making the ninth one, I think. Although they made the ninth one. The Hobbs and Shaw, that's coming out this year. Yeah.

But they have an actual Fast and Furious 9 that's had to push back. And then they also have 10 scheduled as well. supposed to come like 20 and 21, something like that. How far do we push this franchise? Those are supposed to be the last two, but I think you just keep on going forever. It'll never end. I think after watching this,

I hadn't seen this one in a couple years. I'd seen it a million times, or just not for a couple years. The simplicity and lower stakes of it, I thought it was really appealing. It made me think, like, that would almost be the way to kind of circle the series around. You kind of bring it back,

like older Dom Torretto. Now he's just running Torretto's market again. He's retired from the street racing scene. He's done. He's out. He's got kids. You get some sort of amnesty from the government. Then maybe something happens with that. I don't know.

Where do they take this franchise going forward? Yeah, you have to go small steak. You can't do space. Space is ridiculous. Space is the last frontier. There are no roads in space. No. Maybe that would be the thing.

They build a race track on Mars. Like fucking Mario Kart. They can race on Rainbow Road? No, you have to go back small stakes. That's the only way to do it. But yeah, that's fun. We go back to the grocery store. We have Mia.

She's there. Mia's available. Yeah. I think when Jordana Brewster got written out after Paul Walker died, that was a tough one for her. Yeah, that was hard. She was like, you know,

I could be a single mom if you want to do fast nine. No, no, we're good. Your story's done. So Rotten Tomatoes 53%. That's terrible. I don't know what's wrong with you, people. Roger Ebert,

who's had a rough 2019 on the rewatchable so far with The Godfather and Old School. Three stars. Yes. For the Fast and the Furious. Really liked it. So there you go.

Let's go through Dom's crew. I'm going to get to the categories in a second, but I'm really fascinated by the cars. I'd never really done the full research on the cars before. You got the names and everything? Oh, yeah. Do you know if they're standard or automatic? Don't know that part.

Dom has the custom-built 1970 Dodge Charger. Yes. That comes out at the tail end. I have that at my house right now, a remote control version. You do? They sold it at Target or Walmart or something. And it was for Christmas, I was out doing Christmas shopping.

I'm just sort of grabbing everything, and I saw that. And I was, I'm going to get, I know that my kids hate remote control cars. I want to get this for them so I can have it. Wait, you don't like this? All right, I'll take it. So he inherited that from his dad or remained parking in the Toronto garage. Do you know what he daily drove, his daily cars, car of choice? It was a red Mazda RX-7.

Yeah. Letty, a true female hero, a true female action hero. Yeah. Letty's an all-timer. All-timer. Mount Rushmore, she's probably on it. That's a good, I'm going to put that down for unanswerable questions later. Okay.

We got to figure out the female action hero on Mount Rushmore. So at the time, Michelle Rodriguez, she'd basically been in that street fight, that boxing, female boxing movie. Yeah. Girl fight. Girl fight. She's great. She was great in that movie. And that was kind of an ahead of its time movie.

It was like, what, female boxers? What? That's going to be a movie? And she was great in that. And it always seemed like it was something good was going to happen with her. She has such a gravity to her in that specific context. It was like, oh, we're going to, like they met her. And somebody said, oh, we should make a movie where you fight people.

Right. Like she's unbelievable. I have a list of some of the stuff that we've seen Letty do in the Fast and the Furious universe. And the first one we see her, she knocks a guy out with a single punch. when Han and when Johnny and Dom were fighting. Let's see.

She uses a harpoon gun to shoot a spear into an enemy's chest knocking her out of the airplane. That's part six, I believe. I don't know when she learned how to use a harpoon, but maybe she took a class. They took a whole bunch of night classes in between like part four and five

and they learned everything they need to. She's the only person we see that can control Dom, tell him to do things, and he does them. She's the only one. She's wearing a lot of. the pants in that relationship, it feels like. She fucking, remember when she had the subway fight and she dove

and tackled the one woman down the stairs? Like, she just has, she fought Rhonda Rousey. She fought Ronda Rousey. It was either a draw or a slight split decision to Ledy. I'm going split decision towards Ledy. She recovered from Annesia. You got to go toward Ledy because she had already

beaten up a group of people. True. And then Ronda came in there. She recovered from amnesia really well, I felt like. She's supposed to be dead. Yeah. She's done so much stuff. She's incredible in the movie.

She drove a dark-fated red 1997 Nissan 240SX in this movie. Mia drove an aqua-blue 1994, Acura Integra. Leon. We'll get to whatever happened to Leon. Poor Leon. We'll get to him later. But he drove a yellow 1995 Nissan Skyline GTRR-33. The polarizing Vince have a lot of thoughts on Vince.

He drove a blue 1999. Vince gets a bad rap. Nissan Maximine. Yeah, I do think there's a revisionist Vince history. And then Brian drove a 95 Mitsubishi Eclipse, G.S. And an orange 1995 Toyota Super. Super. That's that last car he gives them.

Interesting that these are all, I don't know if this is a, I don't know enough about street race to know this, but all of those are kind of like second level race cars, right? You would assume like it would be like Porsche and cars like that, but no, no. Oh, no, because you want to get the car that you soup it all up. Yeah. That's what you're talking about.

But that's what I realized. That actually makes a lot more sense than getting the already souped up car. So you buy the smaller-scale car and then you throw $12,000 worth of stuff in it or whatever it is. So that's it. So the plot of this movie is basically somebody is pulling off these truck heists. Paul Walker goes undercover thinking it's Dom and his crew. then he realizes maybe it's Johnny Tran and his crew. Right.

And then he circles back. Oh, no. It's actually Dom and his crew. But at that point, he's in. He's buddies with them. He's had a corona with Vin Diesel. We get like 20 seconds where he thinks it's Hector's crew. We get that little tiny bit.

Yeah, it was. I forgot about that. I felt bad. That was like the one fake out where they tried to pool where you're like, it's not. Don't do this. We know it's not, y'all. All right. Let's get to the categories.

This is great because most rewatchable scene, this movie is basically centered around the rewatchable scenes, and then it's just like you kind of recover, and then you get to the next rewatchable scene. The first one is the first big street race. This is what you can feel free to add. First big street race. Dom's incredible quarter of a mile at a time speech

when he tells Paul Walker about his background. And I don't know whose idea it was to write in like some real dramatic acting for Vin Diesel. Right. But that person deserves a special recognition in the Oscars. Yeah. He nailed it. He nailed it.

He's like, you know what Vin Diesel needs? Him flipping out at the street race when Johnny Tran thinks he sold him out to the guy. I never got anybody. I felt that. I was like, oh, shit. He has never told on anybody. You could say a lot of things about Dom Terretto. Don't call him an arc.

No. The boarded truck hijacking with Vince dangling from the car. And then just the last 10 minutes are incredible. I don't know. Any other rewatchable scene jumping out to you? Honestly, you can pick any four-minute stretch that you want and call it the most rewatchable scene. Which when I rewatch this, I mean, I've seen this movie like, I don't know, we were talking about this before, I'm 10, 15 times. I watch it all the time.

It's on Netflix. Now you can just put it on. You're always sort of picking out extra little things that happen in there. For me, the scene that I go back to the most, the one that I want to like, let me rewind the movie and let me see this. After I've even saw another part, I keep coming back to his speech. But not the one in the garage, but the one after they have the first race. When everybody's gathered around him and he's putting on a fucking show. He's walking around.

He's making jokes with the people. He's got his arms out. He's looking at Brian. He's sort of jibbing and jabbing out. Like, he's learning right here what Brian is sort of made of. Yeah. But also letting him know, like, you need to understand. who runs his shit. That for me is the one. We get to see the most amount of things that

Vin Diesel can do as an actor. He hits all of them. That sounds like we should hear this. What are you smiling about? Dude, I almost had you. You almost had me? You never had you. You never had your car. Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. You're lucky that a hundred shot of Gnast didn't blow the welds on the intake. Almost that me? Ask any racer, any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.

Winning's winning. So that was Vin Diesel's big speech. I agree. Let's add that to the, that's the sixth, I guess, nominee for this. Right. You know, Vin Diesel, it's a little like the rock where, okay, he kind of belongs to everybody.

Uh-huh. You know, it's like he's biracial slash ethnic slash whatever. It's just like he just checks every box for some reason. Everybody's kind of in on him. Right. And I really feel like that's one of the reasons this movie has succeeded, not just because of him, but just in general. It was the first movie from an action standpoint that was Big Budget that I remember,

it just felt like representation was a big part of the movie. They were really like, everybody's in. You have like jaw rules in it. You have the Johnny Trangang. You have Hector. You have Vin Diesel. It's just they didn't make movies like this where there was this much diversity. It was never important to Hollywood.

And I really feel like this is one of the reasons it became such a huge franchise. When you go to see a Fast and Furious movie in the theater, it's diverse in the theater. Yeah. Everybody loves it. And Vin Diesel is kind of the center of that. Like I don't even know what his background is. You know, I've read it like 10 times and I still don't know what it is. Just have no idea.

Like if you found out he was like half Latino, would you be surprised? No, I would be ecstatic. You get to claim him. I mean, we've been claiming him for a while. I think he's honorary at least. He's like Latino adjacent. If you've got brown eyes and brown eyebrows, we're like, oh, you're part of the team. That's just how we're going.

And yeah, and he's the center of the movie. Everybody gets a little piece of him. He's unbelievably cool. and they write him in this way that makes him not just, he's not just like this emotionless tough guy. Right. Like he's got a core, he's got this sort of this code that he lives by

and everybody can sort of understand it. Because there's only two things. Obviously, you don't tell on people and you take care of your family. That's it. That's all I'm concerned about. And take care of your car. At all times.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, if you're going to do a job, do a job. Put some thoughts into your car. Yeah. Yeah, I think if you just look at the landscape of action movies in 2000, We were coming off this stretch, you know, Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson.

So that's the late 70s. Slice Stallone, Chuck Norris, Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's the 80s, yeah. Going all the Patrick Swayze. Now we head into the 90s, a little more Schwarzenegger, Stallone makes a comeback. Nick Cage comes in.

He has his great run. It's always white dudes is the lead. Always. I don't remember other than Wesley Snipes and Pastor 57, a minority or even just a non-white person as the lead of a movie. I guess you could say Beverly Hills Copped Eddie Murphy. Right.

Carl Weathers. Bruce Willis. I guess Carl Weathers's Action Jackson. Yeah, there are very few times when you can say a non-white guy was like the action. He's our hero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Can I throw a thing out here? Yeah. the reason that he's so interesting to me in this particular role. So you're going through the list of like the arc of action movies. Yeah. If you're starting with Chuck Norris and all these guys. And then we get to the 80s, as you mentioned, with St. That's the Steroids era basically.

In the 80s alone, Stallone and Schwarzenegger had 19 action movies between the two of them. Wow. 19, right? And that's not even counting the Bruce Willis and all the other. That's not counting. Just those two guys. But so we get those two guys to show up. up and all of a sudden everything is like we're just going to make these people as big as possible

and as like tough as possible. That's all we're going to worry about. And then Bruce Willis shows up with Diehard and Patrick Swayze and Roadhouse. And now we're like, okay, we're going to go away from the big guys, the big brainless guys. And now we're going to small guys with like the philosophy degree and the guys who don't really want to be here. And then we get the Nick Cage and these guys. When we get to Vin and this role, this is the first time we saw a big guy doing the philosophical stuff. And that sort of just brought everybody in. Because he could do anything you needed him to.

He could give the speech about his dad, watching his dad die. And he can also fucking body slam the rock. And it's all believable at all times. And we're still not sure how tall he was. He's somewhere between 5-4 and 6-4. It's all I know. It's amorphous. It's all camera angles.

There's no telling. We don't know how tall he is. We don't know his race. And there's one other thing that he had. that Stallone had and Schwarzenegger had, Chuck Norris did not have. Swayze weirdly had, but it was the unintentional comedy.

Okay. Where part of what made Schwarzenegger the biggest star in the world is people liked imitating his voice. Edd-Duck and just like, it was just kind of, him trying to act was funny. Just sometimes him walking was funny.

You need a thing. And Stallone was the same thing. Stallone had like the side of his mouth has fallen, falling off and he's just completely over the top. And, you know, he was sliced alone. In Cliffhanger, it's basically just him grunting for half the movie. Climbing him.

And that was fun. And Vin Diesel was immediately, like, cool. But I also, like, really liked making fun of how he drank a corona. And just, like, his acting. It's like, his acting's good, but it's also terrible. I don't think he was able to hit boy. I don't think it's terrible. I don't think he's terrible at all.

The thing I like about Vin... I love that you like Vin Diesel's acting. Listen, I feel like he thinks that maybe the Fast and the Furious is real. Like, that's how good of an actor he is to me. He really believes he's Dominic Torretto, and that's his family, and he has to protect Mia. Vin Diesel running is one of my favorite things. Yeah, he has a weird run. He has a weird run.

It's tough. That happens in the Fast and the Furious when he's running from the police. Yeah. And he does with his, he keeps his arms down really low and he doesn't move him for some reason. A weird run. The weirdest. The weirdest, the weirdest run.

Yeah, the weirdest runs in recent action movie history are anytime Vin Diesel runs and then the girl and taken. Oh, yeah. When she sees her dad and she kind of runs in her. Yeah, she's pretending to be younger than she is and her arms are just flailing around. I don't know what she was doing there. Vin Diesel, not sure how coordinated is. I asked that.

No, he's very coordinated. He could dance. He can dance? He's like a former background dancer. Like a real dancer. So what do we think is the most rewatchable? I'm going with the speech. The speech around.

This is the one where he's telling him, ask any racer, any real racer. You win by an inch or win by a mile. You almost had me? Yeah, yeah. That's a great. And I got to pick that scene because you get both Brian and Dom doing their stuff. Brian is remarkably charming in this role. But he's also like presenting himself as capable.

He's a little Dionne Waiter's irrational confidence. Brian. Wait, don't tell me that you also think he's a bad actor as well. I didn't say Vindiesel is a bad actor. I said,

I really enjoy his acting. I'm also not sure he's a good actor. Paul Walker, good actor. Paul Walker is great. But in that one, he's definitely,

he's trying to be the brash of a newcomer. Yeah, he's peacocking a little bit. I'm good. He's peacocking a little bit. My favorite scene

is the quarter mile of a time speech. I remember seeing it in the theater being like, I don't know if they're serious or not, but this is amazing. I live my life a quarter mile at a time.

Nothing else matters, not the mortgage, not the store, not my team and all their bullshit. For those 10 seconds or less, I'm free. Every time it's on TV, I always stick around for it. Right. I like that. It's really touching. It's really touching. Which leads us to what's age the best.

I'm going to read the speech for you. Okay, give it to me. He shows Brian the picture of his dad. They barely know each other. I mean, what have they hung out four times? A couple weeks now? A couple weeks? How much one-on-one-one time have they had?

Well, they had, yeah, they're good friends at this point. They're good friends. They're good friends, yeah. They had one meal together. No, listen, if you build a car with a person, that's your friend. Okay. He goes, that's my dad. He was coming up in the pro-stock circuit.

Last race of the season. He was coming into the final turn when a driver named Kenny Linder leapt his bumper and put him into the wall at 120 miles an hour. Fucking Kenny Linder, by the way. I watch my father burn to death.

But he says, he says Fada. He doesn't say father, he says father. He doesn't say, I watch my father burn to death. I could still remember him screaming. The people who were there said my father died long before the tanks blew. They said it was me that was screaming. So basically, he hears the screaming,

but it's his own scream show. Intense. That's very intense. That is a what's age the best for me. That's good writing. It's good writing. That's really good writing. And then they cut to Paul Walker,

who's just like, kind of in awe of how great and bad this is at the same time. It's not bad. Stop saying it's bad. It's very touching. It's very sincere. I love it. Brian versus Vince has aged the best for me.

Great rivalry. I like in movies when somebody just immediately decides, I fucking hate you. Yes. And then they stick with it. They never wait. from it. You can save my life. I still hate you. Still hated him. I never trusted him from the get-go. They have like a little love

triangle thing with Mia. But Vince really sells it. Like I really feel like he might have hated Paul Walker in real life. Yeah. He's another great actor. So Vince is the, let's do Vince now because I think Vince has aged the best. Great character. The perfect blend of like kind of handsome. I could see how he could pull off Jordan and Brewster, but also like a scumbag. And really kind of evil, but not too evil. Not too evil. But also, like, you can see why him and Vince might have stayed together, even though Vin, I'm sorry, Vin, even though Vin knows

he's not a, not a great guy. Well, okay, what's the argument that he's not a great guy? Because everything he was saying was true. He was the first one, like, this is a cop. This guy is clearly a cop. Look at his face. He's a cop. Oh, I like this. Revision's history, actually. He called everything, everything correct.

So you're in the Vince's side. the whole time. Yeah. The one thing Vince does in the movie that you can't do that's aged poorly is he uses a homophobic slur. Yeah, well, that's 20 years ago.

What can you do? So you can't have that. But everything else, he spots that he's a cop. Well, first of all, he gets suspicious just because he's going to the Torado's market every day. Yeah.

It's like, what the fuck's going on with this guy? Yeah. Something here is. Can't get tuna fish somewhere else? He sniffs it out immediately. He tries to tell everybody. Nobody listens to him. He goes so.

far as to follow Brian and bring Dom with him when they're breaking into to Hector. He's like, look, look what he's doing. This is cop behavior. You move like a cop. Very insightful on Vince's part.

And everybody's just like, you're a fucking idiot, Vince, because you're wearing a mesh tank top. You're just jealous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the mesh tank top really held them back. He's got multiple, which is that thing I didn't realize

until later. He wears two different mesh tank tops in this movie. Where does he rank on your mesh tank top Mount Rushmore? It's him. It's Benchton. it from Commando.

And those are the only two that I... The greatest ones about them. Another thing that's aged really well. The youth of the cast... Yes. It's just funny because we've been with them now. It's 2019. We've been with these people for two solid decades.

Right. VIN's definitely, you know, his head's gotten a little bigger. He's gotten a little older. He's bulked out a little bit. It's just fun to see all these people at a really young point in their career. Like, Michelle Rodriguez looks like almost a kid in this movie. She looks like...

22. She looks great. They caught everybody at exactly the right time. Jordana Brewster looks great. Everybody looks great in this movie. Another what's age the best. Brian giving Don the keys at the end. That's wonderful. Did you ever notice how he holds the keys? No.

He doesn't hold them like a normal person holds him where you push in between your thumb and forefinger on like the top of the key and the key sticking out. He holds it like, I don't even know how to describe it, but he holds it like that where one point is here, the other points is here. And he hands it to him like that. That's cool. That's like a cool thing. I wonder if he thought about that. Is that just how he always held keys? It's a character thing.

I think he thought Brian O'Connor would hold the keys like that. So it made him a great actor. It makes, I mean, it works for me. Street races. Okay. In general, his age really well. It's like, if there's a movie on and it's like, oh, this is a street race movie, I'm at least giving it a chance.

Yeah, you would give it a chance, but I would argue that that's age probably the worst. What do you mean? Well, what's the other good street racing movie? Like, it's not really about the street racing. Even the Fast and Furious franchise went away from street racing after part fucking three. Well, how many times are they going to have a street race? You should do it every time if you're the fast and furious. I like when the girl gets in between the two cars and waves the flag and then they zoom by her.

And I always think she's going to get accidentally crushed to that. That is a ballsy move by the- Somebody's gotten crushed at one point in another. What do we call that person? The MC? I don't know who that is. It's like the ring girls in boxing crossed with the checkered flag. I don't know. That job needs a title.

What else does age the best for you? The idea of family. They hammer it home. They do. The seeds are playing it. In the first movie. Yeah. And you don't realize that they're doing it.

I mean, they're talking about it. You know, they're sort of alluding to it. The one cop that Brian's talking to keeps bringing it up. You don't get the full sense until they're at the barbecue. They're at the barbecue in the backyard. Everybody's sort of talking. Vince comes back after he stormed off. He's like, I got to eat.

He gives Dom a kiss on the back of the hand. That was a borderline most rewatchable seed for me. Yeah, it's great. It's great. Jesse says the prayer. And they do a bunch of different little things in there. Jesse's the first one to reach for the food. So Dominic is like, oh, you're the first one to reach.

You have to say grace. Everybody sort of respects it. Nobody gives him any shit about anything. Leon helps him when he starts to stumble with the thing. Yeah. It's this really sweet. sweet moment and then you just sort of they build it out from there after that we get the dad's speech and we get jesse getting shot and you realize like oh shit this is this is crazy but i i'm gonna go with that one because that's the one thing that they have stuck to the most in all of

the movies like you this is a familiar yeah i'm going with uh brian versus vince i like when there's like a really really bitter rivalry between two dudes in a movie right and there's a girl kind of over here involved a little bit. Right, right, right. I'm in. I'm in for that. And they stretched it out. They stretched it out through, like, all the way through part five. He still didn't like him when he showed up. You're in a fucking whole other country and I still don't like you. I respect you, but I don't like you.

It would seem like he should have liked him after Brian single-handedly saved his life in the first movie. He's dangling from a truck, his arms just hemorrhaging blood. But that's how down Vince was. Brian jumps in the car to, like, I mean, he risks his own life to save Vince. Didn't matter to Vince. If Vince had a choice right there, he would have rather die. to prove his point because is a cop.

Yeah. I think you're right. What's age the worst? Jordana Brewster's driving is pretty rough. I don't want to step on half-ass internet research, but neither she or Michelle Rodriguez had driver's license before this movie. They had to do intensive driver training. And the way she drives was never realistic to me.

I never bought it. Why did Jesse Flake at Race Wars? I never understood that. That's age the worst for me. What do you mean? Why did he flake? So he races his dad's car against Johnny Tran. Right.

And then just loses his mind and drives away. Yeah. Because he just lost his dad's car. That was... Johnny Tran's the head of the Asian car mafia. You can't do that. What was his thing called? Little Saigon or the Saigon Army, whatever it was called?

I don't know what he was. I'm not fucking with Johnny Tran. He's like, here, take my car, dude. Don't kill me. Yeah. Come on, Jesse. We haven't seen Johnny Tran do anything really at this point. We saw him, like, put the oil in the guy's mouth.

They shot up Dom's car. But we haven't seen him commit any real crimes besides, like, hold a gun. So you were okay with that? I was okay. I was okay with him running away, yeah. Really? Yeah, the reason he runs away is because he explains it right before. I'm going to race.

I'm going to win this car. Then me and my dad are both going to have a car when he gets out of prison. Like, that's how we're going to connect. But he just lost his dad's car. Like, that was his whole world, you know? He'd been working on it for so long. He let everybody down. He made a lot of excuses for him.

Okay. I have probably answer more questions later. I have did Jesse deserve to die? Oh, he did. No, he did. We didn't. No, no, let's ball that over. Okay.

And then, poor Jesse. Vince speech, he saw Linder, the guy who accidentally killed his dad a week later, I had the wrench in my hand and I hit him. And I didn't mean to keep hitting him. But by the time I was done, I couldn't lift my arm. he's a janitor in elementary school. He has to take the bus to work. And they banned me from the tracks for life.

Kind of rough. I don't know if, did he have to, like, maim the guy? Yeah. Couldn't he just beating him in a coma, but he got out, he's fine, and now he's been racing again? Does he have to be a janitor

that takes the bus to work? No, you have to... That's a lot to put on Dom Torreto's plate. You have to put that in there because he has to... He's clearly struggling with this. He thinks about it all the time. It weighs on him.

We don't see him again. We don't see him be violent until Johnny calls him a narque. Yeah. But yeah, this is a thing that should be sitting in the back of his brain at all times. He needs to understand

how bad he can be when he needs to be bad. And we also need to see him struggling with that. It's got to be that. It's got to be pushed that far. He spent two years in prison. You're thinking prequel?

I would love a prequel. Dom in prison? Dom just running? Be incredible. No street racing, but maybe he's just running the game in there. Foot races? In the yard?

I don't want to see that. Never mind. The last thing, special effects at the end when they jumped the tracks. In the research, they actually had to cut it so that it's like a green screen in the background.

It's a little noticeable in 2019. I think they'd have much better effects now. Yeah, for sure. The special effects part for me is in that first race when they hit the Nause and they're all flying and the camera like zooms in

into the windshield and then out the back of the car. And you're like, wait a minute, you made that on the, a computer. Right. No thanks. 2000 was tough.

It was before CGI really got good, but before the second era of CGI when we could have, what was that fast seven when they go through the two skyscrapers? Yeah, Fast 7. Yeah. Curious 7. So that was 2015. So it's 15 years later, 14 years later.

We go from, we have to like green screen them going over railroad tracks in front of a train, to them going through two skyscrapers. of Dubai, realistically. Yeah. You actually, I actually think they might have done that. It looks real. And 100% looks real. And they hit that second skyscraper.

That was, that was like a jaw-doping moment. Not to mention the CGI of Paul Walker, who had died like halfway through the movie, and they somehow figured out how to do all the scenes, which I have never read the right story of how they did that. I think it's incredible that they were able to pull that up. They used his brother. They used his brother for backups. And they put it on him.

You can see it. It's noticeable when you watch the beach scene. Yeah. That's the worst. If you, like, pause it or you're like sort of zoom in on it, you can go like, oh, I can kind of see how they did that. Or when they pulls up in the car next to them, you can kind of see that. They did an incredible job, though, because I had no idea that they did that until I read about it. Did we see Fast 7 together?

No, I saw it with Rave. I saw it with my wife. I saw it with my wife. All of them? I saw it with Rave. We were at Grayland. Rave, and I think Mark LaSanti. and at the end

Did you cry? It was fucking dusty. Okay. But did you cry yes or no? Did not cry but got emotional. Okay. Like borderline almost cried. Right.

I cried. We all kind of looked at each other like, whew. Yeah. It was one of those. Like it was really, really, really. That was one of the most emotional endings. We got to do fast seven at some point.

They did a perfect job. What stage is the worst for you? I guess I'll pick special effects. Everything else to me is fine in the movie. Maybe Brian's haircut, bad haircut for him. Wasn't great. No. Casting what ifs.

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The studio told the producers they would greenlight the film if they could get Timothy Ollafant to play Dom Torretto. Yikes. That's a bad move. Ollafant, who had starred in the previous years car blockbuster action movie gone in 60 seconds, declined the role.

That sucks for him. Although I don't think that this becomes as big without him in there. I mean, with him in there. Well, for the reasons we discussed. I think Vin checked so many more boxes than Timothy Oafan, who's just another white guy in an action movie. Right. So Neil Moritz instead

He suggested Vin Diesel and the rest of the history Who's coming off pitch black Perfect call One other one The role of Mia was written for Elijah Dushku She turned it down I could see that

I could see that Tough one Yeah She's in she's in five That's five jobs basically Because Jordana Brewster's in 14, 5, 6, 7 You're multi-millioner

Tough one. That's all I got for... Big time. That's it. Because Paul Walker, everything else was Paul Walker, like they did the movie for him. Is there a person

you would have liked to have seen in somebody else's place? From only the Fast and Furious, from only the first one. From only the first one. I actually, I have a lot of problems with Jordane and Brewster

as the series goes along, but I actually thought she's pretty good in the first one. Yeah, she's great. I don't have any problems with her in any of the movies. Well, she can't act. That's a problem.

I disagree. I disagree again. The lack of acting talent is a problem. I don't know. Bill, this movie. has made over $5 billion. I think they're pretty good actors. You know who I would have liked to have seen?

And it's fun to like close your eyes and sort of pretend that this is a case. But the guy who plays Jesse, he's like a slightly less attractive version of Ryan Gosling. Let's slide Ryan Gosling in there and see what happens. That's interesting.

So, yeah, you're right. They could have improved the Jesse part. Vince is perfect. Perfect. You can't touch anybody else. And then Leon obviously didn't work because they wrote them out after the first one.

Or Leon. Yeah, we're going to get to that. Okay. The Dion Waders Award for Biggest Heat Check. This is tough because it has to be somebody who wasn't in the movie that much. Oh, this is an easy category. Who do you have? But you have a list?

No. It's a job rule. It's 100% job. Monica! His whole thing in the whole movie is he just wants to have a threesome. And that's it. And that's his only part in the movie. And he doesn't get it.

And then everybody laughs at him. And then he's out. The only one of the other possibility I had was Johnny Tran. But I'm with you. I love Johnny. The cool thing about Jarl rule in this movie is that it's Jarl rule. He's like, wait a second. It's Jarl rule.

He was a big time star. Huge star. Him and DMX from the 98 to 03 range were way bigger than I think they get credit for now, especially DMX. But Jail rule too, those guys were like... Gigantic. That was a big deal to have him in this movie. Yeah, you were excited.

When we went to the movie theater, I was excited to see Jah Rul. Oh, there's a job rule scene in this movie. Yeah. 100%. All right, so he wins that. Half Fast Internet Research. Throughout the filming, the movie had the working title, Red Line. That's bad.

That's like a Nick Cage Netflix action movie. It's a Timothy Oliphant. Netflix movie. You put him in there. You got to change the title. Redline refers in racing, obviously, to the maximum rate of speed of a car can go. And then the filmmakers settled on calling it

The Fast and the Furious. Problem was the title was owned by a boom movie director named Roger Corman. Okay. They made a trade. They traded the movie for some stock footage, the movie title for some stock footage owned by Universal Studios. Really? Almost as important of a trade as the Luca Donchitz trade, in much respect. It's right up there.

That's a big one. What's funny is, I thought the title was bad when it came out. Now I love it. It was like, The Fast and the Furious? What the fuck is it? You could be one or the other. Right. You can't be both.

I don't understand how all of the ridiculous things that we've gotten in this series, we've never got one person to say the Fast and the Furious. Not once. It does break my... We need that to happen. One of my favorite action movie roles. You have to say the title. Vin could have said he could have drank a corona.

I forgot to do... Oh, actually, that's coming up. Vince could have drank the corona where he tilts it too far. And then told Brian... I like about you is you're fast and you're furious. No, I got a better version. I got a better version. After they pull off the heist and he's doing the Salud Me Familia toast.

Yeah, I love the Salud Me Familia. He just throws it in there. He like, to the fast and the furious. And then boom, in credits. That would have worked. Should I start doing Salud Me Familia when we have the ringer holiday parties and stuff? You should speak as much Spanish as possible. Salue me familiar.

You should just do that all the time. Even when it doesn't fit. Like somebody asks you how you're doing. What do you want to drink when you're at the restaurant? And you just say that. I loved how by Fast 5, even people that were in Fast 2, Fast 3, and barely in Fast 4 were part of VIN's extended Me Familia. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

He's bringing you in. If he touches you on the forehead, you're touched for life. If you pass him the barbecue sauce, you're in. You're in the family. Dom Torretto's Southern California home, the address 1327 appears. That's not the actual address. Real House is located at 724 East Kensington Road in Echo Park blocks away from Dodger Stadium. Don't you have like millions of people who listen to this?

I don't know if you can just throw address. No, it's known. It's a tourist place. Okay, okay. I think you and I might go there over the next 24 hours. We might take a little field trip and shoot a little Instagram video over there. Oh, man. We got to recreate when Jesse gets shot.

I'll be Jesse. You be Vin, crawling across the yard. Get the video crew working on that. Key LA locations. This is for the L.A. people. Dodger Stadium. Which Brian tests his car in the opening scene. He's in the Dodger Stadium Park lot, which is really cool if you've ever been there.

Injolino Highets, Silver Lake, Echo Park, little Saigon, and the San Bernardino International Airport, which was the venue for race wars. Right. I've lived here for 16 years. I had no idea there was the San Bernardino International Airport. I knew they had soccer tournaments because I've been in soccer tournaments. The entire rig high scene was filmed on the Domagoni Parkway on the south side of San Jacinto, the San Jacinto Valley. I have no idea where that is.

The producer, Neil Moritz, who made this movie happen. He's the bald asshole in the black Ferrari who drag races Brian and Don. Is that him? Yeah. He threw himself in the movie. He taught us on the podcast. Yeah. This is a good one.

So Dom and Brian go to have lunch in Malibu on the Pacific. foot coast highway when they're driving along they ate at Neptune's Net. Right. That was the same place where Lori Petty's character worked in point break. Really?

Little homage. That's a good one. Little Neptune's Net. I love little stuff like that. Little tip of the hat. I love it. To point break for making it all happen. Oh, this was supposed to be

in casting what-ifs. Colin Farrell was pushed for the role of Domteretto at one point. Nah. No, thanks. I do like Colin Farrell. I do like him. He's very handsome. He's great. He's great in SWAT. I don't think the movies is good, but it's interesting.

Yeah. It's an interesting, like, what if? If we put him in here, then we have to put Vin Diesel in phone booth. The phone booth would have to be better with Vin Diesel. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. When you were watching this the first time, they don't let you know, they don't hint that Brian is a cop until he gets pulled over by the police. Yeah.

Did that surprise you? When he got pulled over or that, he was like, a cop. That he was a cop. No, I knew because I had read the stories that it was point break, so I knew he was undercover. I was 100% surprised. Alternate ending was filmed. Tanner drops Brian off at the Torretto house where he encounters Mia

packing intending to move away. He reveals that he's resigned from the LAPD. He wants another chance. Mia tells him it's not going to be that simple. Brian tells her, I've got time. Not in the movie. And thank God. I like how it did it.

Yeah, that's not a good one. During the race wars, the whole scene, real-life drivers brought their cars to participate. Over 1,500 real-life drivers in that scene. That's a lot of damn drivers. Did Vin Diesel and Michelle Rodriguez date off-screen during the filming? God, I hope so. You bet they did.

Jackpot, baby? Yeah, that happened. Jackpot. And then... That should have been a bigger deal. That should have been, like, white people had Brad Pitt and Jennifer Anderson. We should have known about this. This is why we need more minorities in media. This should have been on the cover of every magazine. Vin Diesel and Michelle Rodriguez.

That kid would have been really cool and had a lot of attitude, but really cared about family. He would have been perfect. She would have been perfect. Whatever kid comes out of those two, give me some stock. So in order to have the real actors behind the wheels of the cars going 80 to 100 miles an hour. They built a special rig, which was a high-powered truck with a long chassis in the back. And they had had the stunt driver driving the high-speed truck, and the actors were behind the wheel of the dummy car, like bouncing like they were driving fast. Right. Seems complicated. It does seem complicated. I think once we got into this decade, we just had the cameras in the car with the actors driving fast. It would be my guess. Or CGI completely. Yeah. My favorite version of that

is in Heat. I mean, not Heat. Ronan, when they're doing the car chase. Oh, Ronan's amazing. And they have the actor in the same car as a person driving is just on the other side. Yeah. And if you watch Robert De Niro's fucking terrified. And the whole thing, he doesn't not look cool at all for

one single second. He was awful. I love that part. It's the only time I've ever seen him not look cool. The Apex Mountain. I don't feel like we got there with with the OGs of this movie, Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, Michelle Rodriguez.

You could talk me to Jordana Brewster because I do feel like she was the best in this movie of all of them. And you would have thought coming out of this movie, she was going to be maybe a bigger star than she ended up being, I don't know. The one person who was definitely

Apex Mountain for was Matt Schultz who played Vince. Yes. Well, you could have told me Matt Schultz was going to go on a bigger and better things. I would have believed it in 2001. See, this is the thing.

I knew we were going to talk about this category when you said, hey, let's do this. And I was trying to figure out a way, I can't separate any one movie from all the rest of them. You know what I'm saying? It's hard for me to do that. So in my head, this is clearly an apex mountain for Paul Walker. I personally think Fast 5 is Apex Mountain for all of them. That might work. Because Fast 5 is the greatest movie of all time.

It's like Godfather 2 and Fast 5. Okay. And it's also when they, and we're going to do Fast 5, actually in a couple months in April. But Fast 5 is when they just put all the jigsaw puzzle pieces together. Right. And it goes up nine levels. And everything about it is just bigger, better, everything.

And it made a bazillion dollars and it became clear to everybody that this was just the new James Bond series. So I would vote for that for ApexMem. I would say maybe Neil Moritz putting this together off a vibe article and creating a multi- Billy Darr franchise. This might be his Apex Moon. There's your winner. There's your winner right there. I love watching when you watch, like, if you go Fast Five and then The Fast and the Furious, and you're like,

holy shit. They're stealing $100 million in Fast Five, and they're stealing fucking DVD players in the first one. Right. Like, that's an incredible. It's like 20 DVD players. That's a jump. The Soprana, I've been rewatching the Sopranos and that's like that too. They have whole heists of trucks with just DVD players. It feels super dated. I guess

maybe that should have been in what's age the worst. Is there you have a truck ice for DVD players and crappy TVs. The Joey Pants Award given out to that guy or that girl from the movie. This is a no-brainer. Ted Levine. Which is Ted Levine?

He's Brian's boss who also played Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs and was the guy in heat. Ted Levine. That's Buffalo Bill? Yeah. Are you serious? She a big fat person.

That's not Buffalo Bill. You don't know what it is, lady. Yeah, it's Buffalo Bill. It's Ted Levine. He's just, he has more weight on him. He didn't recognize him. I'm voting Hector. I love Hector in this movie.

So Hector's a good one, too, because I don't even know what his real name is. His real name is Noah. I mean, Noel. Noah. My nephew is Noah. Let me see. It's got a weird last name, Gugliemi. I don't know if he's Mexican or not, but he's Mexican.

I got to say I really like Tector. I love Hector. How can you not like Hector? The thing I like about Hector, the guy who plays him in every role he looks exactly the same he does the same tricks same haircut all the time

and they're all like training day is set in the same area it's probably the same fucking guy yeah it's got to be the same guy who plays hector now in 2019 Michael Pena I would set you up for that joke is playing

anybody that you're going to ask me he's also playing Vince and it's going to be fucking Michael Pinyett out DeSau Rubin They New Award for Overacting. Nomine's Jow Rule, although I would say his acting was actually also perfect. Oh, my God.

Ted Levine, Buffalo Bill. Just to clarify, Jarl Rule, great actor, Vin Diesel, horrible actor. That's where we are in your low note. No. Vin Diesel's a great horrible actor. He's great and horrible. He's a good actor. Did you see Find Me Guilty?

Vin Diesel's a good actor. I'm with you. He's fun to make fun of, though. He's not fun to make fun. He's fun to pray to. That's what you should do. Let me tell you about my father. The winner of this award is the police sergeant, not Ted Levine, but the other guy, the

black guy. He's dialing it up and it's almost like a parody of all the police sergeants in every reaction movie. Let me tell you, Shays Serrano if we don't get this out of it. It's like, all right, dude. That's exactly what he's doing. I've seen your character before. I'm really excited for this category.

And I got to be honest, I don't know. who wins. Would this movie have been better with Danny Treau, Steve Buscemi, or Michael K. Williams? This movie is better. Well, you can't have Steve Buscemi in there. He's automatically out. He's out. He's disqualified. Because he looks like he's 60 years old. He could have been Jesse, though. He could have been Jesse's dad. Jesse's dad getting at prison. There's your one part. Yeah. Danny Treau versus Michael K. Williams is a tough one for this. Yeah. You could talk me in it either. Because this movie kind of needs Michael K. Williams. Weirdly, other than Jow rule, does not have a lot of a lot of signature black people in it.

But Danny Treo feels like he should be in this movie. Yeah, he should absolutely be in this movie. He could have been working at Torado's Market as like... Yeah. Just for one scene where it's... He's got the little paper hat on. Dom's uncle, but he just got out. He's trying to rebuild his life.

But, you know, in like, Fast 4, he's going to become part of me familiar. Yeah. I vote for Treo. Picking Nitz. Why did Brian... Risks sneaking into Dom's garage, that whole thing. That was so fucking risky.

He knew Vince was side-eyeing him at all times. And what was he trying to do with that? When he was sneaking into Hector's garage. I mean, the Hector's garage. Yeah. Well, he was trying to see if they were the people who were hijacking all the 18-wheelers. Because he came in and he ordered the three. He's risky.

He was doing well. I need three of everything. Yeah. I mean, but he only had a little bit of time left at that point. He, like, I think he told him you got 36 hours or something. Maybe don't make sure you're getting trailed by Dom and Vince. Yeah, he was not that great. He was not that great of a cop.

You're a cop? You don't know somebody's following you? We've not had any good cops in the movie in the Fast and the Furious franchise. No, it's basically the franchise hates cops. None of them. Even Hobbs, the Rocks character? Hobbs is a terrible cop. Yeah.

He like screws everything up. Screws everything up. But then in Fast Five completely screws it up. Takes the wrong safe. He took the wrong safe. He got his team killed. He got beat up by Van Diesel. Yeah, Ben Diesel beat him up.

He's seven inches shorter. He let what's her name from Furious Six or Fast and Furious Six? Well, Jason Statham. What about when he basically gets his ass kicked in his own police office. Yeah. By Jason Statham. He took a lot of losses in that thing. You could tell he was not that great of a cop because they were like, hey, you've got to catch this guy.

You've got to catch Decker or Owen Shaw. And he's like, oh shit, let me call. a bunch of criminals to help me. He didn't even try to get him myself. Let me call some criminals on the live. Hobbs, terrible cop. Brian also terrible cop. Another nitpick.

Why did Brian tell me he was a cop? He needed her to tell him what was going on. There was no other way. They were leaving. He only had a couple hours left. Maybe let the case just kind of go at that point other than break your undercover thing? Yeah.

I mean, I think that's more a problem with the FBI. They should have been on it. They should have been trailing them. another nitpick. The end of this movie, they're basically flying around Echo Park. It's the hills, they're going downhill, uphills.

Right. Nobody's ever gone more than 35 miles an hour in Echo Park. I'm just telling you now. I've got to take your word. Craig, have you been to Echo Park? Have you ever gone over 35 miles an hour at Echo Park?

Have you ever seen anybody speeding an Echo Park? No, it's like going up a rollercoast every hill. Yeah. You can't do that. And it's also like you go down the hill, you might run over a four-year-old kid. Like there's just a lot of obstacles to ever going fast.

I'm just going to point that out. Best quote. Wait, I have a knit. A nitpick? Oh, give me a nitpick. Shouldn't Dom and everybody, shouldn't they have been rich? They talk about they've stolen like $6 million worth of stuff. Well, they're still on DVDs.

I don't know how much money they could have flipped out. No, but $6 million worth of DVDs. Even if you sell them at half price, 2001 DVD players were selling. Well, I think Torado's market was in the hole. Is that what it is? A lot of that movie came to. A lot of tuna. sandwich plan

just was never working. He got in a soups at one point that didn't work either. Best quote. You can have any brew you want as long as it's a corona. I just want to say for the kids out there

looking for high school year book quotes, feel free to maybe consider that one. It's really good. He's basically saying you can only have a corona but phrases it like there's some sort of choice involved but there's not. I love that one.

You know, everyone happens to know to know if you, things. And one of the things that we knows is it's not how you stand by your car. It's how you race your car. You better learn that. That's just a great quote. That could also be a high school year, but quote.

I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Nothing else matters. Not the mortgage. Not the store. Not my team in all their bullshit. For those 10 seconds or less, I'm free. I think that's the best quote of the movie. I don't know if you agree or

disagree. I think that that one has to win because they that's the one that they've like pulled into the rest of the series yeah that's how they end part seven yeah when when paul walker is gone they go back to that one line i'm gonna get choked up if you start talking about this good they go back to that to that one line and it's like you know that's why i knew you were my brother because you did the same like it's probably got to be that one and the only other one that's a real contender is to ask any race or any real racer going by an intramont like yeah those are the two i think Let's talk quickly about Voodoo.

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VUDU.com slash rewatchables. Relatively new category for 2019, could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? Yeah, they're doing an animated series. on Netflix. It's like... Animated series. Yeah.

The Fast and the Furious, like spy cars or I don't know, some bullshit like that. But they're definitely... I think you could talk me into basically the 2001 version of this, this movie we're talking about now, stretched over 10 episodes, but I'm really in the L.A. I'm in a deep L.A. I'm in a street racing scenes. I'm around characters, all the...

I mean, there's a little more of a gang element. like a training day when Ethan Hawke goes to that. I want people like that. Right. I want to be in that world. It's seedy. It's a little dangerous. My guys know how to navigate it,

but they might get killed it every time. There's a race wars, you know, looming at the end of the movie. But now Johnny Trans involved. I really do think that could have worked as a show. Probably. I think you can get 10, 12 episodes out of that one. Because I don't think the purge worked as a show

and I thought it was going to. Right. So I don't want to say it's a lock. But I think you'd, really have to dive. There isn't a show right now that really dives into that side of LA in a way that I've been satisfied with. And I think there's a way to do that. I thought of another line that we should have put in the quotes, the best line. What is it? It's a Brian one. It's right before they race, right before him and Dom race for the first time.

Yeah. And he's telling him, it was $2,000 entry. He's like, I don't have the money, but, you know, I'll do this. And if I win, whatever, I get the respect and blah, blah. and Dominic sort of makes fun of him about it, about saying the respect line, and then Brian says back to him, well, to some people, that's more important. And I think right there in the movie is the first time we get like,

oh, I think you and I might get along here. These dudes are on the same page. And they do it later on, too. They do it in part eight. It's like a quick little thing after Dom has that first street race where he races fucking backwards. Yeah.

And when they get out, he gives the guy's car back. And he's like, you keep the car, I want to respect, you know. Like, I don't know. He loves respect, man. I love it. I love Dominic Toretto. God damn, I love Don't.

One of the great characters of all time. Brian O'Connor, give me all of them. I forgot a nitpick while we're here. Okay. You would never really, from where they live in downtown L.A., there would be no reason for them ever to go to lunch at Neptune's Net. Okay. I mean, that is a hike.

You're going all the way down, PCH. It's fine. It's not really worth the ride, but I think they had to squeeze it in because it was the point. Is it still open? Oh, yeah. And you've never taken me there? I've been in L.

20 times, not once. It's really far. Like an all-day trip. Do, um... We can go there, though. I'll take you there. Okay. We'll go.

One of these times when you come, we'll go. Remember, uh, Mike from Grantland? Yeah. So Mike is a real friend because I was like, Mike, where are the white men can't jump basketball courts? He's like, they're an hour away. You want to go? And he just fucking took me.

But you won't even take me to get shrimp? I want some shrimp at Neptunes. All right. We'll do it. I promise you. I'm also going to take you to Touretto. Market, which brings us to probably unanswerable questions. I got answers for all of these.

Whatever happened at Torado's Market? So by Fast 5, they're stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from Brazil. Who's making the roast beef and buying the tuna at Torado's market? Did they just let it go? Is Danny's? Michael Dayo Williams? Yeah. Uncle Danny's, like, working it?

Did they let it go? Did Dom, like, just casually let the lease expire and kind of pushed it out? It'd been in the family for decades. Yeah, the government repoed that. You think so? They got that. They got the house. They got all the cars.

Or they sold it? to fund maybe the next Toyota camera that they souped up? Did Jesse deserve to die? Teased this one earlier. No. Don't race Johnny Tran at Race Wars and then just drive away. You're going to get shot. It's happening.

He didn't know he was racing to Johnny Tran until the window came down because Brian didn't even know. He runs up to him. He's like, don't do this. Who are you racing? The window goes down and he's like, oh, fuck. He was stuck after that. You can't back out at that point. No, he does.

When you're an ADD computer guy, don't race a race wars. He didn't deserve to die. Johnny, Johnny's super overreacted right there. Like, you, just fucking wait. I'll give you your car. Give me like two hours.

You just gave me a whole speech about respect. Johnny Train wants his respect. That race wars, I get my car if I beat you. That's why you can't respect Johnny Tran because he went too far. He fucking shot up a how. He tried to kill, what was at four people because he didn't get the little Volvo or whatever that was.

Well, he was a hot hat. I had this written down before we talked about it, but it's worth mentioning that I already had written this down. Was Brian O'Connor a bad undercover cop or an atrocious undercover cop? He was really bad. Was he atrocious or bad? I wouldn't go so far as to say atrocious. I would say bad because at least he taught himself how to drive at a really high level at Dodger Stadium. Yeah, he was getting after it.

Yeah, okay. He deserves that. This is brought up by Craig the producer, but I did have it in my notes. Did they have a deal with Corona? No. Oh, like the actual franchise, the movie franchise? Yeah. No, I read a story about that.

On the ringer.com. Matter of fact, by Andrew. You're right. We wrote about that. During when we had the Fasten and Furious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. Yeah.

It was all gratis. Letty Mount Rushmore. So here's what we're going to do. We have a Facebook group for the rewatchables that people like posting stuff. Come up with your Mount Rushmore for female action heroes. All I know is Letty's on it. Letty did some amazing work. It starts with Lettie for me.

I don't know who else is on it, but Lettie's on it. Okay, she's got to be on there. So you need three more spots. Okay. Give me Furiosa, Manmacks Fury Road. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a really good one.

That's two. Can we use two Charlize characters? What about? Because Atomic Blonde? No. She can't be on twice. You can only have one. Okay.

The actress themselves can only be on once. Okay. I was thinking Soigourney Weaver in the second aliens movie. Aliens 2. Is that an action movie or a sci-fi movie? We never really solved that one. I think we can blur the lines enough there. Like if we can call Total Recall an Action movie, we can call Aliens 2.

And then Linda... That's when you got the big gun and the overalls. It's great. And also like really the first time a female character had been like a badass like that in an action movie. Yeah. And then the other one for me is a no-brainer, Terminator 2, Linda Hamilton. Yeah, for sure. The fucking Raybans.

We filled it in. She looks great. It was the first time I remember an actress with guns. She's doing the pull-ups. Yeah, it's like, oh, shit, you worked out for this movie. It was like before it was cool to do that. So I love that she's in the hospital. She's all chiseled up.

She's been preparing for this moment since the first one. Yeah. And then he shows up and she panics. She just falls on the floor. She's like, oh, my God, oh, my God. It was like the Halloween remake. Same thing. I've had 40 years to plan this.

You're in my house. Oh, shit. What do I do? And then finally. unanswerable. And I actually tried to figure out what happened here and I could not. What happened to Leon?

He was part of La Familia. He just didn't make it. Salud La Familia. The Leon's just out? Okay, I just thought about it right now. This is exactly what happened with Leon. Everybody in the crew had like a specific kind of job, right?

Yeah. Dom's the leader. Vince is the muscle. So it's like a basketball team. James Hardin is Dom. Exactly. You go all the way through. Lettie's second in command.

Vince is Coincopella. oversees everything. Lettie's great. Lettys Eric Gordon. Yeah, no, Lettie is not Eric Gordon. Eric Gordon last year, not this year. Lettie is great. Lettie is good because she's, like,

able to make every other character better than they are. Vince is P.J. Tucker. This is going way sideways. This is what this is. No, listen, every person in there had a job. Jesse was the tech guy. Yeah. The only job Vince has in the movie is the scanner listener.

That's all he does. Vince or Jesse? I'm sorry. Jesse. No, Leon. Leon. The only job Leon has in the movie is this scanner. He, like, waits on the sideline when they're racing in the beginning.

He tells him, oh, move on, pizza boy. Like, whatever, he's on the scanner. When they're racing at the very end, when Vince gets caught up, he's the only car that doesn't try to come up and help. He's way in the back, just listening on the scanner for some reason. See, I feel like that's when he lost his job and me familiar. Yeah. Yeah, he was like, Dom took stock of everything. Everyone's trying to save Vince, but Leon's just.

Just like, hey, man, hold on. I'm back here. Let's sit in the scanner. Dom's car gets the front tire blown out. Yeah. He's still chasing after him. Letty gets, her car gets shot. She crashes.

He should have been like, Dom, you go with Letty. Your car doesn't work. I'll take care of this. Dom's like, you go get Letty. Oh, sure, sure. I'll do that part. And then he goes and gets there. Like, he was the most dispensable character.

So Leon gets exposed when things go wrong. Yeah. And they dumped them. He wouldn't, he wouldn't holding up his end. Doesn't sound like me familiar to me. me. No. That's it?

He's just out? Yeah, you're out. Maybe they put him in Torretto's market. Maybe they reassigned him. He's like, that's... They pulled him sometimes in the list of the scanner, but other times he's just cutting roast beef. Yeah, he's watching the other two, the other group, fucking globetrot and still billions of dollars. We're low on bottled water.

I got to put another order. Tough day at Torado's market. We need more coronas. All right, who won the movie? This is tough. It is tough. I don't. I actually, I would say it's Vin Diesel,

but you could also talk me into Paul Walker because I love Paul Walker. Paul Walker is beautiful in this movie. It's got to be between those two. Close third place finishes Letty. But between Dom and Brian, I think, I'm going to go, you know what?

Here's my argument. It's Brian over Dom. And here's why. Because when they made the remake, I mean, when they made part two, only one guy was in it. And it wasn't dumb. They felt like they could make the franchise without Dominic Toreto in there.

Well, I have some info on that that I forgot to put in half S internet research. Throw it at me. The director and Vin Diesel instead of doing Fast 2 decided to do Triple X. Right. They wanted to own the franchise themselves. Sure. I don't know if that was a good career move or not. I have no idea how much it made from Triple X.

Kind of like Triple X belongs to a specific era of weird music and kind of video games. Music action sports heroes. Yeah, it was kind of this weird X game. Graham's Grand Theft Auto. It's all in the middle of that. Not a bad boy. Then they pull him back in for the cameo kind of taste. He doesn't really come back until four.

Right. I actually think Vin Diesel wins the movie and here's why. Okay. Give it to me. I knew who Paul Walker was and I had, I had already, in my head, I knew what he was going to be as an actor and as a star, right? He was going to be like basically blonde Keanu Reeves. He was going to get a lot of the same Canada Reeves parts. That's a good call.

Devastatingly handsome. I remember Saw Varsu Blues with my wife, and she's like, I love Lance Harbor. I think we actually saw the skulls in the theater because she liked Paw Walker. I saw it in theater, too. I felt like he was something. Vin Diesel, I never saw Pitch Black. I had no experience with Vin Diesel. I didn't know who he was.

And he was so like just kind of own the screen in every scene. It does. It felt like he had been famous. for a while. But this is really like his first signature movie. And at the end of the movie, you're like, that guy's a star. And I can't remember if this came out, this came out before Knockaround Guys, which Coppillman and Levine did, our friends.

And in Knock Around Guys, which I think is actually a really- 500. Yeah, he does the 500 speech. And he's a star in that. And it was like, after that, I was like, Vin Diesel's going to be in my life now for 20 years. This is not a fluke. Right.

You know, so that would be the case for him. All right. I think everybody wins the movie is my, is the actual winner of the movie. Yeah. If you're going to go by like who was just the most overpowering in every scene, it's Dom. He's electric. From the first time you see him, from when he turns and looks over his shoulder because he hears the fight in the background, he's just in the room. Oh, I just thought of another nitpick.

Yeah. Question. Yeah. This is an unanswerable question. What is it? After, after Brian saves Dom. and they go back to the house and they're at the party. And we get the shot of Mia in the room

and she realizes that Brian is coming down there, right? She's like, she's studying. She's clearly studying. She's got books open. I think she's maybe even taking some notes. Is she in college? Is she in high school? I think she's doing the book gaming for Toronto's Market.

No, this was like textbooks that she's got out. She's studying tuna. I don't know what she's doing. Maybe she's studying restaurant management. It could be that. She's doing something, though. I kind of want to do every fast. Fast and Furious movie now for the rewatchables.

We should. You know, it's a classic one in Fast Five. Give a two. It's either five or seven. I think it's five when they're in Brazil. I mean, they have dinner at Vince's place. And Jordana Brewster goes and throws up. And then the other lady's like,

how long have you been pregnant? Yeah. I was like in movies when women know instinctively when other women are pregnant. I can promise you in real life, that's not the case. Okay. My wife has never been like, you know, at a 10-person dinner and like,

you know who's pregnant? is the one on the far right. In the action movies, they always know. How long have you been pregnant? I have a lot of thoughts on all the movies. Fast five we are doing in April. All right. I don't know if we have to do fast four before we do Fast Five.

Or could we combine Fast Four and Fast Five? No, they've got to all be separate. You have to do every single movie. That's how I feel because Fast Five is the greatest movie of all time. It's really, really good. People think I'm kidding when I say it's the greatest action movie of all time, but I really think it is. It's up there, for sure.

It is the most satisfying start-to-finish action movie that's ever been made. Yeah. That was, yeah. It's unassailable. Every scene in that movie is great. That was the, okay, that's the movie that turns this into like a global empire. It's unbelievable.

It's so good. I have one last thing to tell you. Okay. I saw Fast Six at San Antonio. Did you really? Yeah, during the finals. Went to the theater, one of the comfy theaters with the, you know, when they, when they started making those comfy theater with the comfy seats and the recliners and all that stuff.

saw like an 11 o'clock showing at San Antonio because we were there for like a week. PM. Okay. It was like 11 p.m. And let's just say there were some kids at the theater. Oh, of course. San Antonio, we love it.

It was like to 1.30 in the morning. There was probably like 10 kids in the theater, a whole bunch of things. It was exactly the experience I wanted. It was actually, I don't say this lately. It was the highlight of my trip. And that included the finals. That included three finals games. Fast Six was.

better because it really felt, I really felt like I was meant to see this movie in this theater with this crazy collection of people that have nothing in common with each other and we're all totally into this going nuts. It was great. Do you get that big fight when Vin and the Rock are on the same team now and they're fighting the other, like. Well, also the 28 mile runway. Yeah, a long runway.

Which we'll go into them whenever we do the Fast Sixth Rewatch. Shea, this was an honor and a pleasure and I'm glad we did it a quarter mile at a time. Yes. The rewatchables next week. What's next week? Proof of life. Oh, yeah. Oh, God.

We're doing proof of life next week. Oh, yeah, have fun. This is me and Chris Ryan, every 15 rewatchables, it's one for us. And we don't care about the audience. That's the proof of life. Okay. This one's for us. Yeah.

You have a week to watch it. I think it is the most underrated Russell Crow movie. I think it's one of the great kidnap movies of all time. The only thing I remember about proof of life is there is an article. Great it was? No, it wasn't that. There was an article in GQ and whoever wrote it and made a joke about you're arguing or trying to come up with a movie you're going to watch with your wife and you somehow end up with proof of life. And I thought that was the funniest thing.

Well, that person can go right to hell. Proof of Life is next week. You have a week to watch it. Listen to Shays podcast, villains on the Ringer podcast network and listen to all of our awesome podcasts. And we'll move back next week.