The Rewatchables - ‘The Godfather Part III' With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: March 17, 2020

As soon as Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan thought they were out, 'The Rewatchables' pulls them back in. For the fourth movie in our series of Flawed Rewatchables, we revisit ‘The Godfather: Part III’ starring Al Pacino, Talia Shire, and Andy Garcia and directed by Francis Ford Coppola. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Of family Come at me as you will And loyalty Power And violence Just what I thought I was out They pull me back in The Godfather

Part 3 When they come They'll come at what you love All right Chris Ryan's here Sean Fetaceous here I saw this movie With my stepfather

In 1990 The Biggest Godfather fan of all time we signed in Stanford, Connecticut, super excited about it, refusing to believe all the reviews, and that there were problems with it, and that this wasn't going to be one of the great experiences of our lifetime. We left the theater, and he was talking about it,

like if my mom had gone into a coma, and the doctor was like, we don't know if she's going to come out, and he was like, she's going to be okay, she's going to be okay. That was the kind of urgency and fear of just not being able to accept that this movie wasn't a masterpiece. like we had built up for two years. They're fucking making Godfather 3. This is the greatest thing that's ever happened to me.

I feel like I was very excited for this movie, even at a very young age. But hearing guys like you and Coppulman talk about it where it's like I traveled across Europe to get to a theater to see this. I had to kill a guy to go to a screening. Exactly. It's just wild. You guys must have been really bumped out.

I'm trying to think what the equivalent would be now for a younger generation. Star Wars? No, it's almost like if Pulp Fiction 2 is happening. Yeah. Or like Boogie Nights 2. There's no even real way, something that everybody respected

but was also massive and nobody ever thought it was going to happen, then it happened. I think Star Wars is a pretty good comparison. And a lot of people did draw that comparison. I think it's interesting that Coppola, then Lucas, then Spielberg,

all returned to the well of their like original great trilogies or in the case. For different reasons, though. Well, they all kind of did it for money. Yeah. I mean, Lucas went back for money, and Spielberg went back to Indiana Jones for money. And they were all kind of bad.

But this is the difference of like Coppola selling sperm and blood for money, basically. But see. He's like, I'm going bankrupt. Who wants my blood? Okay. This is a, we're already way out of line here. He's like, I'm never doing this. There's no way.

Godfather three movies that bankrupted him is like, all right? This is Coppola's sperm donation, Bill Simmons, the race. Spirmed blood and Godfather 3. He didn't have a choice. He literally needed the money, and that was the only reason this movie happened. He fully admits it. He couldn't even stick. He couldn't figure out the Sophia Coppola part when all these people backed out we're going to talk to.

The logical move is like, hey, this isn't right yet. We got to postpone this. I don't have the right actors yet. No, they plow ahead because they got to make this December 1990 thing. It was a money grab, and unfortunately, it affected the movie. say it's a movie about money, made from money, and that money is the reason it never reaches the heights it could have reached. And we can get into that, the reasons for that. But like, there's a very, very central reason where one paycheck might have made the difference in this film.

Well, I think, in one paycheck and one, let's wait two more months. Sure. I think we, we're getting this off on a very negative foot. It has to go, it has to go negative. This is a flawed rewatchable. Yeah. I think it's definitely a rewatchable. I think there's some absolutely amazing stuff in this movie. Agree. I would even venture to say that an argument could be made. Here's what I'd say. The Pachino's performance in this movie is as good as any... Don't say too. I would just say that it should be in the same

conversation. I'm fucking throw something I think it's in the same conversation. I think I don't think it's anywhere near as like great. I don't think it should be rewarded for anything. But I think when you watch it. what he is doing in this movie. And some of the like Pacino stuff that he does, it has the extra layer of introspection and emotional intelligence that I think people criticize his later performances for lacking.

You could honestly say this is his last performance that actually has nuance. That's what I was going to say. It is the turning point. And I think him not getting recognized again and not even getting nominated for this movie confirming that the academy does not respect the character of Michael Corleone

or Al Pacino's performance of it, kind of pushed him into this bizarre scent of a woman, you know, heat, no disrespect. Like, super duper over, okay. Just the overacting that he became really well known for last 30. Well, when he got nominated this year for? Not this movie, Dick Tracy.

Yes. A movie that sucks and has no cultural value at all and came and went. That's because a lot of people like Warren Beatty, though. Yeah, and that movie was thought to be like a bigger event than it actually was. But he was like a character in that movie. Like, I mean, I know his actual character, but he was actually like a character. They were like incredible makeup.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He transformed. But I agree with Chris. I mean, it's actually one of my favorite Pacino performances. It's really good. I agree. I just think two is on separate territory. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think he definitely should have won for two. I think it's kind of obscene that he wasn't nominated for three. And, you know, you look at the rest, let's like Andy Garcia was nominated. The film was nominated for Best Picture. And you mentioned the reviews. I feel like we should talk about the immediate reception of the movie. and then the reputation that it built subsequently there after.

We'll do it right now. So I went back and read a lot of reviews of the movie, and frankly, they were all pretty good. Ebert, three and a half stars. The New York Times is pretty much a rave with the exception of negative things written about Sophia Coppola's performance. Janet Maslin loved it.

It was a critic's pick. I just read Owen Glyberman's review in Entertainment Weekly, and he explains that it features like some of the most incredible cinematic cross-cutting you'll ever see in the final 30 minutes of the movie. he's very adulatory towards the movie.

A lot of the criticism, I think the time review was very positive. A lot of the mainstream movie criticism, maybe it was because people were sort of intimidated by the legacy of the godfather and they felt like they had to say something positive about it. But for the most part, critics liked it, and it made money.

I think the legacy of those reviews played into that, though, because people were so famously off with how they treated one and two that everybody was like, yeah, totally. Like it's too dark. There's this extra bullshit. It's going back and forth.

It's hard to follow. So I think with three people are like, I don't want that thrown back on my face. So I'm just going to shoot a little higher. There's some major flaws in this movie. But when you talk about the Oscar thing, the best actor that year was Jeremy Iron's reversal fortune. He won. Great performance.

Really good. Kostner dances, Wolves. Robert De Niro and Awakening's during the height of just play some sort of disability. Yeah. Right. And you're getting nominated. Jared de Verdue and Cyrano. and then Richard Harris in the field,

which I'll defend because I like the field. Bill, coming out for the field. Yeah, the field's good. But imagine the, but Pacino should have been in there somewhere. Probably in the De Niro spot. Or in the, in the Gerard de Parreux Serenot de Bergerac part.

Like, I, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences looked at the Godfather 3 and was like, no. Gerard Girard DiPardue. Yeah, right. It's insane. The other one who got laid off. Look, everything in this movie is compared to two of the greatest films of all time. So that's why it's, it's the filter through

which we view this movie is shattered because it's being compared to two of the greatest American films ever made. There's some really good performances this year that also could have been in for Best Actor, including Richard Guillain, Pretty Woman, is really good. I don't know if it was Best Actor Worthy, but it's a really good performance. And then Goodfellas, which we have not done on the rewatchables yet, we might have to do a Patreon account with the money going to like my daughter's soccer team or something. That's like, we get to here, we'll do good fellas.

I don't think that's where the money should go, Bill. Ray Leota, for Best Actor. Yeah. He's really good in that movie. Like, really good. Yeah. And is he better than Gerard Depardue in Syrador de Bergerick? I'll answer that for you.

But there are some good ones. Patrick Swayze and Ghosts this year. The other guy in Ghost, the evil guy? Tony Goldwyn? Tony Goldwyn? Yeah, sure. What was the guy's name he played in that movie? Is that a rewatchable?

It's like Brad. Ghost, yeah, for sure. I think so. He's so, Sam. Sam. Sam's Patrick Swayze. Sam's Patrick Swayze. The other guy, man.

What a bad guy. That might be the worst thing anyone's done in a movie. Make a move on Demi more. Disagree. There's some other bad things that have happened in movies. With Swayzy right there. You know what I mean? Even in that movie, I feel like the guy was like,

Get Off My Train! That guy's way worse. That guy's evil. A couple things with the Coppola money thing. So he had a dire financial situation caused by one from the heart and the cotton club. Yep. Back to back. Which basically bankrupted him.

And he lost all of his money from the two Godfather movies thrown in with whatever happened in Apocalypse now. Where I don't know how much he lost on that. He also tried to start a studio. He started a video. Early, he was like, it was like the uninterrupted with LeBron and Mav of Hollywood directors in the early 80s. I think probably would LeBron and Mav looked back at American Zootrope and think of it as kind of like a model. Yeah. He's doing a vineyard.

The paradigm. His son tragically died. Yeah. I think they were obvious. LeBron and Mavre were operating from a stronger position of power than when Francis tried to start his own studio in the Bay Area. I was joking. I know.

It's interesting, though, to think about because his career and his choices really parallels Michael's to like a kind of obscene degree. And Michael essentially like making his fortune inside a very corrupt industry and then trying to go legitimate and ultimately achieving extraordinary wealth after going legitimate, but then maybe not feeling good about it. Coppola, obviously, one of the great screenwriter director, producers of all time, famously couldn't keep his fortune together. And then as soon as he opens his winery and builds a travel business, he's one of the most successful American entrepreneurs we have, but he didn't get rich off of the thing that he was so brilliant at.

He also was just all, it was all or nothing with him the whole time. I mean, it was like he had a beautiful rolling estate in Marin or wherever it is and had a vineyard and is at the top of the world and then it just comes crashing down. It's the roaring 20s into the Great Depression with him like three times over. I always joked up my autobiography that was like, what would

be the title of your autobiography? I was like, bed on yourself and I would have like the Tillman Fertita photo, like close picture. But Coppola was really the bet on yourself guy of all time. He was just betting himself every movie. Do you think that Tilman Fretta also? You like that idea? I want to develop the book cover a little bit.

Are you, like, gazing at, like, a roulette wheel? No, I'm like this. No, you should have a betting stub. Where's my camera? With a betting stub that says you. Bill. What is it dated? I know it's a good idea because Shay's trying to steal it.

She might write this book before me. He loves bet on yourself. Yeah, he's stolen it. Anyway, he bet on himself over and over again. It works sometimes. Creatively, it always works. It eventually worked long term. I think he's in a good spot now.

Unfortunately, he basically sold his soul with Godfather 3 because he never wanted to do this movie ever. And then even near the end, he wanted to call it the death of Michael Corleone. He wanted to distance it from one and two because you want to make it very clear this is an epilogue. This is the third movie. It's just this kind of afterthought epilogue to what happens.

And the studio's like, fuck you. We've talked about this a lot over the course of the two other Godfather podcast, but it's really important to reiterate that you watch these movies and they seem like these otorist works. And to a large extent, they are. They are his vision. He worked with the same people largely throughout the trilogy.

But the Godfather was the product of, as Sean talked about in the first pod, so many corporate machinations behind the scene. This movie was going to happen with or without him. Yeah. So he got on the money train while it was leaving the station. Like they had at least a dozen scripts over the years. And every famous person with Juice at some point had this dangled in front of them.

I mean, there's so many great things we can talk about this for internet research. Save that for casting what ifs because we have to do the biggest cast and what if we have to do before we do the categories. But I was just going to say that like this movie was going to happen. This was not him being like Paramount

being like, would you like to make one again? Paramount was like, this is one of our most valuable properties. We still have all these people in fighting age. Let's go. Let's do it. And if you don't want to do it, somebody else is going to do it.

And the movie as a grace note to the point that you're making is literally dedicated to Charles Bluedhorn, the executive who essentially allowed the first movie to happen, who ran Gulf and Western, which bought Paramount in a very... And got involved in, like, some crazy European financial deals to try and save the studio. Exactly. Here's the thing, though, if he's not involved in this movie,

it wouldn't have been taken as seriously. And the reason it's... I really feel that way. I just feel like people would have been mad why you're doing this. You can't do this without a cup. And you wouldn't have really any of the actors from the first two movies. movies other than Pacino, DeVal would just run from it.

Yeah, I completely agree. And I think the reason that there is greatness in it is because of him. And because of his understanding of this world and the way that he works as a filmmaker. I want to set a Pacino, which there's this lost weird 80s and got, you know, he was doing a lot of plays and stuff. I don't know whether there was some drug stuff with him or what was going on in his personal life. But he basically, he goes, he does cruising, which Tarantino says. we should do that one, by the way. Yeah, we'll do that in 2039.

We'll do that for the Patreon. Tarantino said he's all in on cruising and then running it on his theater simultaneously. Okay. You guys can go to that screening together. Just me and Bill? Yeah, leather up. We'll dress up in one of Pacino's efforts.

Oh, wear the bandana in my left. Who brings the ball gag? Then he does author-author, which is just a bizarre movie and a bizarre Apocino choice. I don't know what was happening there. Then Scarface takes two years off, Does Revolution in 85?

I think you needed the two years off after Scarface. Probably. I've never seen Revolution. I don't even know what it's about. Four years off comes back with Sea of Love. So basically it's six years from Scarface to See Love, 83-89, which is like a lifetime. I'm a big Sea of Love guy.

I love Sea of Love. It's not quite a rewatchable, but it's good. But that was his comeback. He's different. He's got longer hair. He looks like he had smoked 100 million cigarettes in the six years since the last time we saw. Something has happened to his face. He looks different.

My mom and I have this working theory that he was replaced. Right. I mean, that he became a different movie. It feels credible. There's like a body snatcher's thing, but... I think it's just the Al Horford thing. You just look old one day, you know? Wow. When was that day for you? Last night.

For me, it was four months ago. I think the counterpoint to that, though, is that his performance is in Godfather Three, Frankie and Johnny, Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, and Sea of Love are all good. They're all good in different ways. Dick Tracy is obviously over the top, but it's a comic book movie. It's supposed to be over the top. And then you get the send of a woman, Carlito's Way, Heat, City Hall, and then he's just like, fuck it.

I'm going crazy. The movies he makes in the 90s are good, and his performances are good. He's great in The Insider and Any Given Sunday and Devil's Advocate, but they're so big. There's no subtlety to any of those performances. And I don't know what happens.

Like after Glengarry, it's like he takes a, I don't know, it's like he takes a pill. But even in Glengarry, you know, the pull quotes from Glenn Gary are all him, his big acting. But Glenn Gary's best scenes are like his quiet, persuasion of Jonathan Price about like have you ever taken, you know,

walked into a train compartment that smelled like shit like it's like these amazing speeches. Yeah. So we're in... What are we doing, Glenn Gary? Yeah. So we hit that, we hit 1990 here when 3's coming out, coming off sea love. And you have a whole bunch of people I would say the generation I'm in, I'm in college at that point, the generation that becomes gen X.

We're growing up with this idea that Pacino and De Niro are the two actors. These are the guys. These are our bird. and magic. These are our, you know, LeBron and Durant, whatever you want to say. These are our guys, and they're not making movies anymore. Zion and Jha. Zion and Jha, whatever. They, Brady and Manning.

And these guys are basically off the grid because De Niro's not really doing that much either. And this is right around the time Blockbuster's taking off video stores. They're at the all-time height. And we're renting the same movies over and over again. TBS is starting to take off. Cinemax HBO. These movies are on. and these guys, it's almost like what happened with classic rock stations

where the bands are gone, but then the classic rock stations revived the band and they kind of actually gained more meaning. My point is, by the time we got to 8990 and Pacino's like, I'm gonna fucking make some movies again, it was a really big deal. It was like, see you love, I saw it in the theater because it was like, Pacino's in a movie, I'm going.

And De Niro was the same way. With any movie he basically was putting out where it was like, it's, De Niro and Scorsese were going on Friday night. This is a huge deal. And it all led up to three, which was like, oh my God, they're doing it. Puccino's

going to play Corleone. And then you see the trailer and he's got the great crew cut and the, oh, just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in and it's like this is going to be the biggest thing that's happened to me in the holidays. And it just wasn't. So when you were anticipating this movie,

how much behind the scenes stuff were you aware of? Because I went back and read some of the EW stuff about the Sophia Coppola Winona Ryder. That was a really... But I was curious whether or not, like, were you guys aware, like, Duval's not in it? Sophia Coppola is going to play Mary instead

of Winona Ryder. Like, there's a lot of shit happening behind the scenes here. So you're talking about, though, this really fun time in movie journalism, which you would have loved? Where you had Premier... I was alive. When was Premier Magazine? Yeah. Like, probably 89 or like 98?

Something like that. Yeah, I mean, that was the heyday. And they're writing about it. You have Goldman writing as New York Magazine columns, and you have VW writing pieces like that one about Coppola, which you can find online about Sophia Coppola, that has kind of amazing tidbits and gossip in it. It's a piece that would not be written now. The producer of the movie is just like, yeah, it's crazy and just breaks down. Like, here's what happened. Winona Ryder shows up and she collapses from exhaustion and I have to call this person and that

person. It's like you would never get that these days. Never. Unless the movie was a complete flop and you had a bunch of anonymous sources talking after the fact. You're right. And it's kind of this thing where as in the 80s movie-going culture becomes a lot more interested in box office and behind-the-scenes information, then this stuff starts to collide. And a lot of these people who made their name at a time when the only people who really cared about this kind of information where the trades and the industry. And then it reaches this fever pitch. And you do get like 10 years of this pretty great. Even if the writing is Anodyne, like the information is crazy. And really good books. And books that either people were rereading from a few years before or then this new wave in 90s books. This is like the bonfire of the vanities complete fiasco.

And then the book that's written about that movie. And it's after Heaven's Gate and all the book about that movie. And all these movies that kind of like failed in the Peter Biskin books come along shortly there after that. You get raging bulls and easy riders. Like that is that is my favorite stuff. I mean, just reading that stuff is my favorite stuff. The 90s is the best movie decade for all the stuff beyond the movies. And you have the indie explosion right then.

You have Spike and Soderberg and everybody coming out. Yeah. But I think help us on. Help me at least understand what was driving the disappointment. Because I came to this movie way later. All right. Well, we might as well do this now. There's two things.

And they both involve casting. The first one is that Duval's not in it. The quick story, which I think everybody knows, but we'll just say is, just recap it. Duval found out what Pacino was getting roughly and was like, I'm not doing it unless I get what Pacino's getting. Yes. So Pacino's getting like five. He's getting five. And Keaton was getting like a million and a half.

a piece of the movie and they wouldn't do that. He ended up getting five and they offered Deval like one and a half or one point two, whatever it was. And he's just like, fuck that. So he told 60 Minutes in 2004, quote, if they paid Pacino twice what they paid me, that's fine, but not three or four times, which is what they did. And for whatever reason, they were pretty adamant about this budget, which was a 55 million budget, ended up making like $140 million.

This is, until the Red Sox traded Mookie Biscuit. a couple of weeks ago. The dumbest money decision in the history of sports entertainment. This isn't, well, Duval was going to have like a walk-on cameo. He was going to be in the first scene in the last. By all accounts, like the movie was about him. Yeah, it changed the movie. So he was, according to Copa, it said that Hagan character was going to be involved in running all the charities.

But based on how the movie plot plays out, would have had to be heavily involved with the whole Italian thing that they're invested in the six of a million. and all that stuff. He just would have been in it. And then, you know, there's some really cool aging Michael Corleone who's just shit on Tom Hagan intermittently over the, like, how does he feel about that now? How does Tom feel about it? And he's also the family's conscience throughout the first movie.

And then in the second movie, you see him kind of get beaten down by Michael's evil, really. Yeah. And that interplay 15 years later and seeing like what that would have meant for their relationship and then what decisions they make together just would have made for a richer movie. You never get to see those two guys have a conversation about Fredo, which I think would have been so profound. And it was his last brother, even though they weren't like blood brothers, but they were adopted brothers, basically. And so Connie ends up having to take a much bigger role in the movie that honestly has nothing in common with the first two movies from what we've seen. I do like that.

I like her quite a bit. She's good in the movie. I'm saying, but just if you're basing off what we know about this character heading into this movie, it's like, well, this is unrealistic. She's now a manipulative matriarch. who's pulling off shit. She was, think of her, oh, my fuck, oh, yo. Like, she's a fucking mess.

Yeah, I think she obviously, you see her evolve at the end of two when she takes on the more motherly role where she wants, Michael, I want to take care of you, you know, like, she is kind of evolving into that. But she's still submissive, though. Like, she's sitting at his feet. I think what she's thinking about

is legacy and Vincent and what role she can provide to, you know, to keep the family powerful and going and put Vincent in a position to eventually succeed. And you can imagine whatever the post-godfather 2 life that she lived was going to be something where she found a lot of meaning in keeping up the connections of the old ideas of the family.

That line that she has when Zaza comes in with Vincent to have the meeting and she's like he's turned that neighborhood into a sewer, all the ladies tell me, like she's kind of out there talking to people. I really like that one moment. I kind of wish there was more stuff like that in this movie. You want more, Connie? No, I just think that it would have been more interesting if they had talked more about what happened to New York

because this is set in 79 and the way that the mafia must have both exploited and viewed the way that New York changed over the years. And then you would have thought they would have gotten heavily into the porn industry. I would have thrown that in for Godfather 3 too. Sure.

Could have funded... There wasn't enough porn in this way. Of the deep throat movies. Yeah. The... I feel like the movie is just a little bit too Shakespearean too because of this. It's like he's obviously King Lear.

She's playing like a version of Lady Macbeth in the movie. It's like very on the nose at times. Yeah, Vincent Mary, like, it's like the Star Cross lovers. Yes. There's a lot of that in the film. Well, the other casting issue. Oh, I should just, last thing, like, the Deval de Jong-Hamilton drop off. It's brutal.

It's like if we just replaced Chris with some handsome actor who was trying out of the audition, but he said nothing the whole podcast. And we're like, we've replaced Chris. Should we just... You want to try it? Should we just replace Chris with George Hamilton? See how it works out? It would be about as good as it was in this movie.

There's a moment. George Hamilton. When John Savage comes right before he goes to Rome, and Al Pacino turns to George Hamilton, and they're having breakfast, and he's like, his father was a great lawyer, and George Hamilton just goes,

I know. Right. And it's kind of like... It's a subtle shot, though. But it's like, this guy, his dad is Robert Duval. Great actor, and George Hamilton's like, I got it.

I'm nobody's first choice. I don't know, like George Hamilton, it would be like having David Hasselho. 10 years later. It's the lawyer. It's a fucking absurd. And we can get into Mary. But one of the things that bugs me is it's like, well, they had Duval and Winona Ryder.

And then it sounds like a million other people were also in contention for these roles. And Copa was like, I'm going to go with George Hamilton and my daughter. How about that? Those are the second choice. Did you read his reasoning for George Hamilton? He's like, I wanted that lawyer to just look like a waspy, handsome guy. Okay. There's a lot of actors out there.

Okay. Well, you could have found that. also had somebody who could act. Was Harry Hamelin busy? You know? Harry Hamlin would

have been to step up. I think you just want a legitimately better dramatic actor in the part. They just throw it away. It's like this is the conciliary and he's not about the movie. It's just,

to me, I think you could make an argument that this, that that decision, the decision not to bring in Duval, but to have that George Hamilton character, to have that character get the screen time he gets, but never really truly explain

what's going on with it, is actually a bigger distraction than Sophia. You've always, whenever we've talked about it, you've always pointed to the Hamilton thing more. Let's talk about Sophia. Julia Roberts originally cast had to drop out because of scheduling conflicts. And this is post-Pretty Women Julia Roberts. I think he's dropped out four

pretty women, isn't it? Whatever it was. Yeah, it's the same year. Yeah. Madonna wanted to play the role if she was too old. Rebecca Schaefer from my sister Sam said to audition murdered on the day of the edition by a stalker, which ended up becoming basically ground zero of celebrity stalking cases and

all these laws were changed. Absolutely bizarre and sad that this was the day she was supposed to audition for the part. It's a terrible story. Winona Ryder gets it. She's coming off Heather's beloved. Coming off Mermaids. I think she's actually perfect. And it's aside from the fact that she's a great actor and she's at this perfect moment in her career,

there's literally not another actor alive who could credibly appear to be the progeny of Al Pacino and Diane Keaton. She has all of the dark beauty of Al Pacino and all of the nervy. energy of Diane Keaton. You could sense that she could have a kind of a nutty, waspy mom and this brooding Italian father. That's what she looks like. And she is at the right time in her life.

She could credibly play 17 or 30 at that time. She'd already been a high school kid in a bunch of movies. And she probably could hold her own with Pacino and Keaton on screen. And Garcia, which would have been the most important thing. And they probably would have had heat. And she was fucking hot. That didn't happen.

She dropped out because... is a first on the other. Exhaustion. Exhaustion. Well, she was having a good time at that time in her life as well. She was very active. It's been a lot of chatter. You can find a lot of chatter on the internet about the reasons for the exhaustion. We'll leave those alone.

So, this dude in that EW piece, Ruse, the producer, he says, quote, after Winona drops out, I called Francis right away and we reviewed the other choices. Annabella Siora and Laura Sanjaco. And then Francis said, I'm going to try Sophia. Wow. Let's go through those two.

There's a couple more with Mary's. Annabella Siora, who is about two, three years away from being the mom and him that rocks the cradle, I think she would have been good. I think Laura Sanjocamo would have been fantastic. I've always loved her.

Me too. She was great in sex lies and videotape. I think there's a sexuality she brings. you get the feeling like, oh, man, I can't blame Andy Garcia for this. I know they're related, but holy shit, I can at least see this ridiculous incest plotline that we're about to get into. Same thing. It has a similar kind of energy as Winona.

That part has to be femme fatale because for Andy to want to even think for a second, this is my cousin and it's Michael Corleone's daughter. Maybe I should make a run at this anyway. I have to feel like, oh, my God, you're going to risk everything. He cannot resist it, yeah. This is not the case with Sophia Coppola. And then the other problem with her is she's one of the worst actresses. I can never remember a movie.

I actually went into this thinking, eh, maybe it's underrated. Maybe she's not that bad. Maybe it's not as bad as I remember and it's actually worse. It's as bad as they say. I think that it's really unbelievably bad. The only thing I would say that we overrate is the importance. The importance to the movie.

I disagree. There's a good movie with her in it. I just think that she's, I don't know, I don't know if Mary is like that important to this movie. I think she actually gets over-emphasized in the criticism. of the film. I disagree because every time she's on the screen, it's just a slow-motion car crash

until the scene's over. You know, you haven't kissed me hello yet. Relatives always kiss. Oh, no, we're related. I'm your little cousin. Who's your father? I'll give you a hint. He's Italian.

Mary. I find it very distracting. She is also the emotional crux of the story, and the story ends with the great tragedy of her death. Sure. So. Also, the big tension of the movie is, is Andy Garcia willing to risk being the next on to consummate this borderline incest relationship?

Is it incest if it's a cousin? What are the rules? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It's his brother's daughter. Craig, want to look that up?

Yeah, sure. Just the insect. Just look up. Incest rules. And then let us know how your Google algorithm is after you look that up. There's no work computer. I have a lot of cousins. I've never at any point was like, eh.

Maybe I'll take a crack at this one. This would have been a great podcast if you had told us a story about a cousin you tried to take a crack at. And that's how I met my wife. So, hey, we can go and we'll go into the flaws of the incest plot later. I think it's complicated by the fact that Sophia Coppola, even though she gets the Razzie for worst performance, worst new starlit, she gets lambasted throughout, you know, in the media and just amongst movie fans. Basically, 10 years later emerges as like one of the 10 most important filmmakers of her generation. She wins an Oscar for writing for screenplay.

Like, she is a really, really important and present person in movie culture. And you never would have guessed that by watching her participate in a movie. I mean, she looks like she has no idea what she's doing. She's so wouldn't. She was like literally ripped from like a normal life and was going to visit the set. And he was like, you're going to play one of the most important roles and one of the most important movies ever made. That's crazy. She looked like.

That's bad coaching. It's also like when we talk about- See her remembering her lines in her head. head as she's like, now I'm going to grab this glass of wine and give a toast and try to look sexy. There are these amazingly prescient and also in retrospect, sad, but it's not like Sophia Coppola's had like a bad life. So it's like you can kind of take it on as what it is. But like Eleanor Coppola was like, is this like a form of child abuse?

I'm paraphrasing. But she went in her journals about the making of the movies. She's like, this is, I don't know if this is right. Well, she missed her calling because in 2020, people would say, hey, we're casting, shaming her. We're cash shaming, Sophia Coppola. This isn't fair. She has feelings, too. And it's like, no, she's ruined the movie.

Every scene she's in, I feel bad saying it, but some people shouldn't be actors. And for anyone to defend it or say it's not that bad, it's like, well, then let's not care about acting at all. Let's just put anyone in any part. This is an important part. And when you see how good Andy Garcia is and how good Michael Al Pacino is, Diane Keaton, and then you have her, it's like, you can't do this. We talk about what good acting is all the time on the show, and we always use words like awesome or locked in or, God, they're in the zone in this.

And it sounds vague, and it's not, we're not using, you know, the Meisner language of explaining what great acting is. But when you see something that is bad, you know. You don't need the vocabulary. You know, you're like, this is not working, and it's taking me right out of the movie. It's just like, yeah.

She's in scenes with Diane Keaton, Al Pacino, and Andy Garcia. They're really good actors. You know what I mean? She's getting blown off the court because she's like, I just started playing basketball and I'm playing against the 96 Bulls here.

The only good thing is that she was in Bruce Wilson's girlfriend and Pulp Fiction. Bad take. Did you know that there were other people who were up for Mary? Do you want to wait till casting what ifs to talk about that? Let's wait because we hit that pretty hard. Seven Oscar nominations,

Garcia nominated, Chino not. 68% rotten tomatoes. I know you care. It doesn't matter. Amazing Andy Garcia. I know we'll talk about him. Say it to his face one time.

What are we going to do with this guy? Roger Ebert, not only three and a half stars, but said, quote, I think Sophia Coppola brings a quality of her own to Mary Corleone. A certain upfront vulnerability and simplicity that I think are appropriate and right for the role. That's the worst take in the history of movie criticism. Freezing cold takes? We have a new word. Take Ever, and it's that.

Some people tried to make the case, just that her Valley Girl persona was appropriate for the daughter of a rich guy and she was a distant father and she probably was raised with privilege and she didn't really know how to communicate in the old world. Yeah.

Like, I think there's a case, if she was a better actor, but that was the point of the performance, that would have made sense. But she's just not a very good actor. They had to go back and, like, redub her dialogue because, like, on the set. Yeah, that was the big urban legend

in this movie and it's unclear, what's true or not true, but they had to dub it. least 30% of her stuff. But the Hollywood legend was they had to dub like every line. And that she couldn't say Corleone the way that somebody who was in the Corleone family would have said. She was like Curleone. Listen, we're going to be reliving this when Ben's running the ringer in 10 years.

Let's take a break and then we'll get to the categories. This one I'll be on Patreon. Okay. I'll be the equipment manager for Zoe's soccer team. Great job, guys. Let's go. Let's get one. Orange slices.

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All right, back to this pot. First category, most rewatchable scene. We'll start with the Joey Zazaav, Vincent Mancini showdown in Michael's office. Shout out to the Andy Garcia leather jacket wedding look, which I know is violates nine of Sean rules for a wedding outfit, but he pulled it off. Well, you're dressed for it. That's what she does.

Really good drunk acting by Garcia, where she, like Tali Shire takes the drink. from him, but you can tell he's pretty tipsy. He's kind of three sheets of the wind when he walks in there. Also, he's... Nice party. Sonny's bastard son with the bridesmaid from the first godfather when he sneaks up to upstairs and Tom Hagan knocks on the door. So they actually has that look like...

And she's in the movie. The bridesmaid, the mother, you know, 15 years later, is in the movie. You can see her at the party. Lucy Mancini, is that her name? I didn't notice that. Yeah. Pretty good. You know the story and her character in the book.

Talks about his girth. Yes. The depths that she had. You can just say it because I don't know how you're waiting for us. You're like a nine-year-old. In the book. If you're doing a text reading of this. She had certain physical needs for accommodations that only certain men could fill.

Yep. That was Lucy Mancini. So there you go. Shout out to her. Did you know that biting an ear and drawing Blood stands for fighting to the death according to Sistilling Custom. It was not aware of that. Vincent bit his ear.

That was a... Forgive me, is this pre- or post-Tyson Holyfield? It was pre. Pre, yeah. Some say. Do you think this is where Tyson got the idea? Some say. It was like, ah, I'm going to try that.

You think Tyson was in on Gulf of the three? Do you think he liked Sophia Coppola's performance? Well, this was after Douglas Tyson when he lost the title. He's probably seen this movie theater, watched the earbite and was like, I'm doing that someday. That looks great. That seems really good. I like Pacino's reaction.

What does all this have to do with me? Boy, he's going on behind your back saying fuck Michael Corleone all the time. That's it. That's one thing it has to do with you, right? Say it to his face, one time, say it to his face, one time. Mr. Corleone, all bastards are liars. Shakespeare wrote poems about it. What are I going to do with this guy?

What are I going to do with this guy? It's a great scene. There are so many good, all bastards or liars, Shakespeare wrote poems about it. It's Montania also at an amazing point. He would be a dog. It's really, it's some of the best dialogue. It's very, very stagey and theatrical, but it makes perfect sense.

Gray-Puccino trying to pretend like he's not in control of everything. Fascinating. Also, like, at the height of John Gotti, Joe Montania, obviously just doing John Gotti in real time. Are you pro-Mantania in this movie? I'm pro-Montania all the time, and you know why? My son is better than this

than anything you've ever been at in your whole life. Searching for Bobby Fisher. It's going to be the two of us. You're not invited. Okay, cool. That movie is not that good, so I don't care. You need to invite you, and you're not invited. Okay.

Sean and I are going to do Glenn Gary. Montania's also the original worky Roma. That's right. What's interesting about Montania, House of Games was the first one. You're like, who's this guy? That's 87. Great movie.

Yeah. And he's good, and it's like, this guy's somebody. Yep. And then it's just a matter of time until he's in a mafia movie. You're like, all right, who's grabbing him? We'll be Scorsese, we'll be Coppola. Who's getting him? Doesn't happen for, I mean, he's in a lot of movies.

Then he makes three in 1990. Bugsy in 91. Body of evidence in 92, which is awful. And then searching for Bobby Fisher. That's really when the career takes off. Oh, sure. Yeah. After that, that's when he becomes Martinian.

He uses got. I don't know, he should have been a good fellas. Yeah. I don't know how he was. He's a Chicago guy. He worked a lot with David Mammon on the stage. He originated Ricky Roma from Glenn It took him a long time to get into movies.

He's doing TV. He was in Chicago. Hope goes on to be in color lines. So you're a fan as well. Mantania, yeah, sure. He's a great actor. He's a great act. He's a lot of him at Homicide.

Yeah. He also is honestly probably most famous for being fat Tony on The Simpsons. And that doesn't happen if he doesn't play this part. Next, most rewatchable, the penthouse conference scene, Pacino or Michael Coralino giving everybody their gifts for his piece of this thing. The helicopter comes in. I love when, uh, Michael Coraliena, I love when people are like,

they do the getting shot thing. It's a good moment. The oranges come back there. They're rolling on the table. Some great Al. Yeah. Good to have Al back for. Al Neri?

Al Neri. Yeah. He's back. What do you guys think of? Don Atabello. He's been like, I'll be right back. Like, nobody was like, where is he going?

Gotta take a leak. Well, he was like, I'm going to go get Zaza and try and talk him down. But it just seemed very like, I'll be right back Who's rough? I have a lot of problems with Don Altebelli in this movie

which we can get to later Yeah, okay, well I'll wait That scene's great I love that scene That scene is like out of a different kind of a movie It's out of like a crappy 70s exploitation movie It's just like it's kind of like gross and super violent

It's almost I'm sure there is like a crappy 70s movie called like the commission Or something like that But it does work really well in the movie You could argue this is the best stretch in the movie because that immediately leads to the kitchen. Garcia. Great Garcia.

I say we hit back and take Saza out. It's just going for it. I say we hit back and take Saza out. And then she was like, you think you could overact. Just when I thought it was out, they pull me back in. I'll give myself a stroke acting against you. Chris, will you shut up? Give us the ad just when I thought it was out.

Come on. Really give it to us. Just when I thought I was out. They pulled me back in. Just when I thought I was out. They pull me back in. There was. That seems great.

In the trailers and commercials... Great cardigan on... Like, he has... That red. Mr. Rogers, like... So good. They do such great elderly signaling, like, where it's like,

this guy is old now. He is getting older, you know? In the trailers and commercials, it was such a big part of drumming up interest for the movie that when he does it in the movie, there's like a payoff. And there was a payoff

in the theater. We're like, oh, yeah. It's the... He did it. It's the line from the Sopranos that Silvio quotes the most when they're asking him to do Pacino. They're not asking him to do one or two. They're asking him to do three, even though it has this not great reputation. Yeah.

That seems great. Joey Zaza gets taken out. Another great scenes. We have three great scenes here. Incredible set piece. That whole whatever. San Giro feast. He loves to put the parade or a feast in a movie.

It's a godfather's tradition. Love the rat, the, like, buy a raffle ticket for the car thing. And the guy sitting on the hood. He's like, get this. This is why Italian Americans have a bad. reputation thing. That's so, it was such a great moment. Yeah, and the whole it comes back to the Miyucci thing. He's talking about Miyucci after being

interviewed, after talking about him in Michael's office. Italian Americans are great people. We laid the bricks that built the city. We have the artists. We have Miuchi. Invented the telephone. We have Don Amici who played the guy in the elevator. And then the reveal of Garcia in the cop on the horse

in the cop uniform is just amazing. Joey Zaza. Zaza! Zaza! Zaza! It's just, that's a really, really good scene. That's a really good scene. The shaving scene into Vincent going to pretend he's going to work for Altebelli is really

well done. Where Pacino's like, not only can I get what I want here, but I can make it clear to this guy. Stay the fuck away from my daughter without explicitly forbidding him. That you want to run away with my daughter. Only you know that if you do, I will become your enemy. He's just a master chess from the godfather himself. And that's kind of cross-cut with his conversation with Altebello and then he meets Lou Casey. That's just a good scene. I like the line right before

when he sends Vincent Al is that when they come, they come at what you love. Yeah. Well, they also have one of my favorite movie tricks when the guy's getting shaved by somebody who... There's like a 2% shades. He might just cut your jugular. Like you wouldn't ever let Chris shave you. What part of my body are we talking about?

Just shave right here. Chris is behind you, shaving your neck. You're just like I'm 100% comfortable with Chris? Honestly, Chris doesn't want me to touch him ever, and if I do touch him, he gets very uncomfortable, so I don't think... I think it would be a funny bit if my office I turned into like an old-fashioned partner. And like when people

came in a talk, I was like, I have a seat and I like put like a hot towel on their face. Hot shaving cream. Tell me about your blog ideas. Let me, uh, how Heidi went to sideburns? What do you thoughts in the NBA playoffs? Mallory.

I have an idea. It's a video show. People come into your office. They give you a shave and we call it the shop. What do you say? No? Phil loves that. No?

It's great. You talk about some ideas? A free exchange. American zoetrope presents the shop. All caps though, so it stands out. The shop. The shop. But Chris hosts the first two and then somebody else host the rest.

Yeah, and these conversations are uninterrupted. They go on. You guys, you talk about. Uninrupted? Yeah. Okay. That's good. This week on the shot, Chris isn't hosting it.

One of our fact checkers is going to be running it. The next one, Michael makes Andy Garcia the new Don. From this moment, I'll call yourself Vincent Collion. A little abrupt. I was surprised they jumped right to, hey, I'm going to hand the family over you. But I like the scene. I like how sits in the chair. I like the whole science of the whole year, now the new Don.

how everybody reacts in the room. Little like making Craig the dawn of the rewatchables. You know, it's like he's showing a lot of promise. Yeah, I'm waiting. He's got a violent temper. Yes. You know, maybe he's emotionally entangled. When we do 21 Jump Street in June, we'll know that Craig's officially the Don.

First, forgetting Sarah Marshall. Is 21 Jump Street number one on your hit list? Yeah, he asked for it. He asked me what I thought would be good. He also asked for Sicario, which I added to the list. Oh, did you? Yeah. Am I going to be on that one?

Yeah. Okay. I didn't know if you were almost famous to me with that one. I think it's important. If I needed to do that one without you, it just goes up on our Twitter feed. That would be mean. I think Riscilla has to be on that one. Yeah.

Having heard him talk about it, yeah. He talked about it on his show, and it was very exciting. Maybe it's you, Rissolo, and Stanford Seve, breaking down, Sicario. The three of you. No? Sure. Maybe Sophia Coppola wants to come by, too. I'm sure after this podcast, you can't wait.

Vincent breaks it off with Mary. another rewatchable scene. You like that scene? I tagged this only because it's Sophia's only half decent scene in the movie. It's before the opera. She... This is Love Somebody Else? She's kind of started to figure to act at this point.

Yeah, when he walks away and goes, Love Somebody Else. It's about as good as we're getting from her and shows the potential of like, oh, this would have been a cool movie with the real actress in this spot. I'll always love you. Love somebody else.

And then... I just don't think that there's really anything between them. Like, I never buy it. Even the noki scene? It's super awkward. Specifically, not the Yoki scene, no. And then the extended opera murder montage is unbelievable. And I would, that would get my vote for most irauchable.

Is it, though? I was going to say this. It is way too long. Exactly. It's way too long. Just the part of when people start dying. That's cool, but it is way too long and there's way too much opera. Yeah.

And the opera is so obvious. My mom, this is her favorite scene because she's like a lot of opera and I loved it. I know that opera. I like that opera. I think it's a really well staged, but it's like 28 minutes. So what would you go with? Penhouse Conference leading the Zaza out?

No. First meeting, Zaza and Vincent and Michael in the meeting. That's the movie I wanted it to be. The Earbite. I didn't want it to be a movie set in Sicily. Like a crime movie where this guy is trying to go legit, but still has his fingers in the pot. New York mafia life at that time.

It's fascinating. So we are, how long we've been going? 47 minutes. Haven't said the words Diane Keaton yet. Oh, it's coming. But also have not said the words Catholic Church. Right. I haven't even said the words,

International Immobilade. Don Corleone. International and Lobelry. You know what? I hate a great. It's a very complicated business. I don't know. You should have about a cigarette.

I really should have. What was that guy doing the entire. That guy is that guy's named Donald Donnelly? Would you put him in What's Age the Best or What's the Waste? It's the Waste. And he has aged the most. It's the best and the worst. When he is on screen, you were just like, what the fuck am I watching?

But you're also like, this makes this movie totally singular. He's basically doing Bill Hater playing a guy in the... He's acting from his tonsils. Like, he never opens his mouth. It's just like... He's not my own. He's Irish. He's Irish.

Shout out to that guy. The Vatican Bank feels that international immobiliare will be safe in Mr. Corleone's hands. How did that guy get into Vatican City? How did that guy get into Godfather 3? They were like, oh, God damn it, Mickey Roark, Nicholas Cage. What about this fucking guy? How about we put him in this movie as like the main villain? I think there was some salary cap stuff with this movie.

I think you're right. We can get George Hamilton to be our stretch for. I read that they talked about Albert Finney and we're getting on casting. And Marcella and Mostriani. But either one of those guys. Albert Finney as the Irish sort of go-between in Vatican City would have been great. Yeah. What's age the best?

Andy Garcia and the concept of a bastard son is a great movie plot. Yes. Because there's something to prove. people look down on them. It's always good, especially in the Italian movies. Pacino's saying, I command this family right or wrong.

It was not what I wanted. It was not what I wanted. Do it. You want me to do it? Yeah. It was not what I wanted. It was not what I wanted. He's so, and then he said,

right after I says, understand. Yeah. You know, like, the understand is overlooked. It's what I'm talking about when I'm like, in all the movies after that,

his overacting, he just goes for it. And this one, he's like, oh, I lost my temper. You know what I mean? Like, he's aware of his emotions. Al, as I have for what stage is the best? Al Neri, you're really in on Al.

It's like Al. Frato's murderer. They just let him around and keep around for another 20 years. Do you think that they ever talk about Frato's murder in front of Al? And I was like, guys, I'm right here. It's like after 10 years in, they're going. Like when Kay is talking to him. But don't disappear.

Like when Al takes you fishing, I'm right now? I was like, yeah, yeah, we're good. Italy? I always put Italy in What Stage the Best. Any time we have Italy in a movie, she's great. The flashbacks to Apollonia. It's great to see her again. She's great to see her again.

I think she was 16 when they made that film. No, I'm saying the whole Michael's true love. She's Bill's cousin. It's my cousin. It's fine. Michael's true love. That's the breakout. Because we're about to get to what stage is the worst. You have Apollonia.

young love, blew up in the car, blown up by his bodyguard, tells the whole story. They had this scene where Sophia Coppah is even looking at her like, in another lifetime. This is my beautiful young mother. Let's go to what stage is the worst? Kate Corleone's hair. What the fuck is going on? Come on, Bill. What is going out of their hair in this movie?

It's like, can you make me look like a poodle? Can you make me look like I'm in the Westminster Dog Show? She's great in this movie. What is the hair, though? So we did this whole... When was that an acceptable haircut? She's not a 98-year-old woman. She's like 47.

I'm not super into litigating Kate Corleone further with you. I just feel like... You stand by this haircut? She's like Paul McKeskey's perm is on her head for the entire movie. She has the Jack Sykma. This is a good haircut? Is this like a category on the show now? What age is the worst?

What hair... Kourleone's hair has aged the worst. Yeah. I put it in there. It's what stage the worst? Her hair in this movie. movie is fucking awful. I think that the incest is aged the worst.

I think the nokey scene is aged just as bad. Okay. I think actually... Fucking Eli Wallach is in this movie. There's a 40-minute opera sequence, but you're like Diane Keaton's hair is really... I started there. I do think that this is the confirmation that your K. Corleone take is bad. Like, what she represents in this movie, what happens between her and Pacino, who we

were in real life, we're in a relationship, and then we're kind of off and on for years and have this real-life thing between them. Yeah. And then you have that scene. especially in Italy, the conversation between the two and them, which is really one of the great scenes in the movie, which we didn't talk about. I also really like the first scene where she's just like,

I don't fear you, Michael, I dread you. I'm all in on Kay and Michael, and I actually think they did a nice job with them in this movie. I do too. I don't understand why she had that haircut. Okay. Why I look like a poodle? Just give me an answer and I'll move on.

I'll follow up with Diane, see what she says, you know. I mean, we can probably, I think that the one thing I would say about her hair, and I'm sure this would get me, I'm sure some people will have some feedback about that. Is that feels more like a, what was this, 89 or 90? Is this the Chris gets canceled?

No, what year was this made? Why are you guys tiptoeing around how bad her haircut was? What am I missing? That's more of a 1990 haircut than a 1979 haircut. That's true. When it's supposed to be debut. I'm going to say it was a haircut. Okay.

Trying to find it. I can't find it. I'll move on. You'll take any opportunity to criticize Kay. The second worst thing in this movie after her hair. The incest plot. What the hell was going out there? Why couldn't it have been like third cousin?

Why do they do that? Is incest more normal than I've been led to believe? No. Like when this happened on the most... The answer is no! This was a central plot on one of the most famous television shows in world history. Game of Thrones. Oh, well, that's happening in the forest in the 1300s.

Shit was going on back then. Those were medieval times. It's used over and over again, though, in stories. Isn't there some... Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Vincent's the paternity up for grabs? Isn't it in question? So, like, is there like a maybe he's Sonny's son?

He's probably Sonny's son. He's actually like... And he says it in the first scene. Chino's like just like his father. Calling each other because? Yeah. I mean, they're calling each other because. Sure, they know.

They know. It's fucking weird. I don't know. The kitchen... In 79, is that... Is this that big of a deal? Yeah. Yeah, probably. The kitchen seduction scene?

I don't know. I was just throwing it out there. No, Chris is making a decent point. Like, weird shit was going on in the 70s with movies. Like, pretty baby with Brooks Shields where it's like, hey, she's the 13-year-old hooker who's going to lose her virginity. Coming to you on Friday in theaters near you. It's like, what is this? Did you know anybody in school, like, when you were growing up who, like, went on a date with this cousin?

Like, took a little bit. A lot of people took their cousins to prom. I don't know anybody who was like, I would take a crack on my cousin if it was legal. I've never heard that. No, I don't mean that necessarily. But, like, it was just like if all else fails, your cousin will take you to prom. that you guys reminded me about... What problem is this?

The fucking Star Wars Bar? You know Jonah Hill's character in the Wolf of Wall Street? When Leonardo DiCaprio was like, I got to ask you a question. It's going to be a little bit awkward, but you're married to your cousin. And he's like,

hey, all these guys are trying to fuck my cousin. I'm like, if somebody's going to fuck her, it's going to be me. It's really weird how many movies and TV shows incest is a big part of. I don't get it. In the kitchen selection scene is its own awkward. You know, like they just had to work with what they had.

That's how you found your cousins? Pro-incent. I love it. Pro barbershops and pro-insets. Hey guys, I match with my cousin on Hinge. Is that happening? Oh, man. The two-hour, 50-minute running time is the woodstaged-the-worst.

That's just a long time. Almost three hours. Yeah. And I just, once again, George Hamilton. I just wrote, why, why, why, why next to it. Any other what's age the worst? Yeah, I think that this movie has a bad guy problem. Now, I think the Godfather movies in general are very creative with, like, villainy,

because this is a movie where the villains are the heroes. And I just don't think that Don Altabello matches up with Virgil Soloso or, you know what I mean? Nothing sinister about him at all. And just the dread of Hyman Roth and all this stuff happening in two, I think once Mantana is murdered, although it's an incredible scene, once Zaza's gone, it just kind of feels like, can't Michael checkmate these, old fucking guys. There's just like the senior citizen

wearing priest robes marauding Sicily. I understand that he, I get all of it. I'm just saying like in terms of the casting, in terms of the performances, it's just kind of like, you're getting nuked by like these like, really like kind of ineffectual people.

I think that the problem is, is they wait almost two full hours to really introduce Don Luckeesie. Because Lukasey is evil. And he gets this like very, he gets this great line where he says, do you understand guns? And he says, yes,

He says, finance is a gun. Politics is knowing when to pull the trigger. You're a man of finance and politics, Dono Casey. These are things I don't understand. Understand guns. Finance is a gun. Politics is knowing when to pull the trigger. And that's when you see that there's this interconnected relationship

between the Vatican and the Pope and International Immobilare and the mafia. And that all of these things are all connected to each other, which reveals that, like, there is no good. Everything is kind of evil, even the thing that it proclaims to be the strongest good, which is a big message of the movie. But we don't, when he comes on the screen, I'm like, who the hell is that guy? Yeah. Like, why is he important? What is his relationship to Don Altabello? And there's, like, a whole thing kind of in the background in this movie about propaganda

Dewe, which is like the sort of secret society that is supposed to unite all these guys. And, you know, there's like all this stuff where it's like they had all like asked Michael to be in it. And he says, no. And all that kind of stuff is not in the foreground at all. You're supposed to just sort of imply like, oh, it's like the accountant and Gilday and Luchese, they're all part of like this conspiracy or whatever. Well, it was a big part of seeing the movie for the first time. The movie's 30 years old. I've seen it a few times.

I'm still fucking confused by it. I can't keep half the characters apart when you're seeing it for the first time. And, you know, like in one, they really set up Salazzo nicely. You have a nice feel for that dude. He comes in. He's got the cigarettes. He's Sicilian. He's got two, three scenes.

I'm like, oh, I get it. This guy's bad news. And in this movie, you're right. It does have a bad guy problem. Because I was going to put this in casting what is, but we should put it in what stage the worst. Eli Wallach as Don Altebello. It's a miscast,

but the frustrating one is Frank Sinatra almost took the part. And I think if Sinatra is Don Altebello, this is a totally different movie. They have to get out the moment of radio cards for Snatch. But still, I think you need that kind of charisma. It's got to be some old guy that you feel like, oh, this guy definitely could have run a family. Important point I want to make about Frank Sinatra is that I've always said he's very cool

and I've always respected him, regardless of other things I've said on previous podcasts. Did you get a lot of pushback from Sinatra Twitter? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, because of what you tried to put on us on Godfather One podcast. Yeah, where we weren't like respecting Frank Sinatra enough. Remember that? It was true.

And you can live with what you did. And it was some weird Irish Catholic versus the Italian stuff that was going on there. It does not exist. I've always loved it against you. I've always loved the Italian Americans. Always been a huge supporter. I've always loved that one half of you. Actors competing for the role of Vincent Mancini in the casting what ifs.

Let's do it. Who knows if this is true, but Alec Baldwin seems like it was true. And it seems like he had a real chance. He dropped out. Yeah, depending on what you read. It was like it was his and he like decided to do something else. Classic Irish guy passing for Italian. Alec Baldwin's.

Super skinny and handsome in 1990. Late 80s, 90s run of decisions is nuts. That's like right around Miami Blues. When he's like, I'm not going to do Jack Ryan anymore. I'm going to go do all these weird movies. Do you include I'm an American basinger, even though it's a volatile relationship. Maybe I shouldn't do this. He's a volatile guy.

Yeah. This is the year of Huntford October. Nicholas Cage. Family member, kind of weird. Yeah. It could have been good, though. Say that you wanted to run through just like the ones that are on the internet? Yeah, Tom Cruise, I don't believe that.

Matt Dillon, I don't believe it. Valcomer, I don't believe it. Charlie Sheen, maybe. Vincent Spano makes a lot of sense. He had a moment there. And then Billy Zane. I like the Luke Perry one. Luke Perry auditioned.

Which is like a nice, like once upon a time in Hollywood. I don't even think he had 902 and oh. I'm just saying. Yeah, I didn't believe that one. I think where they landed was right. So Sinatra for Altabello, the guys we just mentioned for Vincent. Well, there's one more Vincent, which this felt really half-assed to me, but it does seem like it was true

that De Niro wanted to play Vincent. Yeah, and then they would have to age Puccino up. They were going to age Pacino up, make De Niro older, and they decided not to do that. Coppola did think about it, though. And then Joe Spinelli played Willie Chichi. That's right.

One of Fantasy's least favorite characters because he was such a coward. Scumbag. He was supposed to be... Testifying before Congress. He was supposed to be working for Joey Zaza, and he actually died before the movie. Yeah.

So they had to write him out because he was dead. Great actor. Check out. Maniac cop made a lot of great crazy exploitation movies too. So directors, over the years, Paramount Approach, Slice Stallone, Martin Scorsese, Michael Chimino, Warren Beatty. And there's this one moment in the early 80s when Sly was going to write and direct it and have John Travolta starring.

As who? I guess Vincent. Okay. This was during their staying live collaboration. Right. This is in the early 80s. like 82, 83 range. Interesting.

That was the first time they were really like, we got to do this. Eisner's still running Paramount and he's like, hey, we got to give up a father of thing. There's a rumor on the internet that Eisner took a run at the script.

Yeah. Who knows? Stuff. Best that guy, a.k. the Joey Pants Award. I'm going deep on this one. One of the two assassins that comes into Vincent's apartment

with Bridget Fonda that he kills is also that guy who played Willie Lopez and Ghost. Yeah, we didn't even talk about. V-LIS. Yeah. Nor have we talked

about Bridger Fonda yet. That scene's bad. I didn't want to put that in rewatchables, but I still love it. It's bad, but lovable. I think it's a good Vincent scene.

He's like, I want you to watch something. Don't make any sudden movements, okay? I just want to prove a point to you. It's just they're the worst, most incompetent assassins ever. Yeah.

Joey Zaza's a thug. He's not a sophisticated gangster. He's got thugs working for him. Any other of that guys for jump out? I thought that was a good pick. I never know what that guy's name was. Don Novello, who played Father Guido

Sarducci on S&L. Oh, wow. Plays Dominic Abondondo, who is his PR guy. And you can, when you hear him talk, you can hear Father Grito Sarducci, even though he's not wearing the kit. But it's funny that Father Grito Sarducci is in a movie that's about the Pope and the Catholic Church and all that.

I think John Savage is kind of that guy. I mean, he's kind of a that guy. I feel like he's John Savage. Okay. Deer Hunter was pretty big. Mario Donatone as Moscow, the Sicilian assassin. Who is the Bill Hader guy?

What was his name? Oh, Donald Donald. Donnelly. Do the one more time. Give a testimony. International Memorial You make him sound like Job of the Hut. What's his line where he's just like, hold on a second.

He's got this incredible. It seems today's world, the power to absolve debt is greater than the power of forgiveness. It seems in today's world, the power to absolve debt is greater than the power of forgiveness. International Immobaleri. Now we know what Shud's funny bonus for the real. I have no idea what you're doing. I love it. So off the rails of what that guy sounds like.

I love it. It's like the cigarette ash is like all the way down. Pacino must have just be like, I can't. Everything he's doing is to keep a straight face. I got to ask Cater if that's where he's got Vinnie Verducci, whatever that guy's name was. He might have gotten it from this guy. The next category, Vince and Hannah,

they knew a word for overacting. The nominees are every Eli Wallach scene. Pacino's heart attack in the kitchen where he's really going for it. And he's like, Fredo! Fredo! He's just kind of loses his mind.

And then Pacino at the end. You don't think Garcia at all? What am I going to do with this guy? I'm all in on every Garcia decision. I think Garcia is great in this movie. He's awesome. He hits every line with an exclamation point, though. He's also awesome in the Richard Gear movie.

The cop movie. Internal Affairs? Yeah. Fuck, yeah. That's a great movie. Oh, yeah. I love that movie. I swear to God, if you guys jerk each other off about some mediocre cop movie again on this show, it's fucking the weirdest trend.

Mediocre. What other movies have we done that have been? That was mediocre. Richard Geert, come back here. Is that what you're saying? Proof of life is definitely way up there. That's a terrible take. Okay.

I didn't have a nominee. Proof of life is the shame of the rewatchables. I just want you. No. Disagree. Yeah. No. Disagree.

That's not true. Let's take it to the people. Ask Helen Mirren. Have you ever explained that on a pod? No. Would you dare? I just want to leave it. I'm just going to leave it dangling out there.

Okay. I think there's a possibility of Helen Mirren heard that podcast. I'm giving this to Pacino's heart attack. He really goes for it for 40 seconds here in a crazy way. The Deanne Waiters Award goes to, I don't know. Let's go Wallach. Wallach.

I'm too old to know anything about those new people. I must accept my age and grow my olives in tomatoes. Can we just talk about Yala Wallach really quick? Well, we can talk, like, the history of Yelaah Wallach? Just like a couple of. key points about him. Obviously, he's really one of the most beloved and respected character actors of his generation, very influential actor on a lot of people. Has this bizarre history of playing characters that are not his ethnicity. Like, he's in the Sergio Leone movies as

like a Spanish bandit or a Mexican bandit. He's in this movie as a Mafia Don? I mean, Eli Wallach is like a Jewish-American actor who is very evidently. a Jewish-American actor. It's not confusing at all. And like, that's not always true for every actor that whatever their race or their ethnicity is should necessarily hold them back. But he keeps being used throughout movie

history as this like figure of various ethnicities. There's this famous story that he was supposed to originally play the part that Frank Sinatra played in From Here to Eternity. Also in Italian-American. And then he gets the part that Snatro is up for in the godfather for you. Exactly. And

he's obviously a great actor, but the parts that he takes and he gets cast and I always find so weird. I don't know what accounts for that. I didn't like the casting at all of that. We're heading to recasting couch. And I guess we could start there because I have two other roles I would recast.

But I don't know who the, well, it has to be somebody who is Italian in the late 80s. Sinatra, who really couldn't act, but at least had their charisma. But it's got to be somebody of that era. I'm not really sure who it is. of Paul Servino.

I mean, like, there's... Paul Serrino's doing Goodfellas. I can't cross the beams in 1990. I think that the interesting thing about Wallach is it's an example of how thin the margins were for error on these Godfather movies. And you could make the argument that he's trying to go back to the Lee Strasberg well a little bit here where it's like, nobody would expect this. I'm going to zag here.

I'm going to grab this guy. You know, Wallach's obviously played heavies before, so it's not that out of the question. But in a way, it telegraphs it too much because. of that. He's played the bad guy in so many movies that I'm like, it's so obvious that he's the bad guy when you're watching the movie. He's just going to be this dodering old guy who just keeps waddling into a room and being like, here's a million dollars, I love you. Yeah.

And even early in the movie, when they're in the car together and he's like, you know, says something, he's like, treachery is all around us. Yeah, right. And then he's like, you've had your fingers on the strings the whole time. You know, he indicates, like, in the first hour that he's the puppeteer of the movie. And then to your point you guys are making about the villain thing, like, the air kind of comes out of the movie

little bit too. You're like, okay, so it's Donald de Bello? Like, that's just it. He's trying to put one over on Michael and Michael knows. Right. And is known for most of the movie.

Yeah, it's really weird. Dennis Farina? Tia. Well, he was up for Zaza. Farina. Farina was, it was Mickey Roark, John Titoro,

and Dennis Farino were apparently in talks for Zazza. That was a bad, bad casting. I don't think he was good. You got to have an old guy who's like, I might go just work with olive oil

and tomatoes. Like, I just, you guys just leave me alone. I'm okay. but in reality is would you've done David Caruso as Don Altavella yeah aged or not

age sure White White Whig Curuso could have done anything at that moment Wait wig Caruso just going for it Every scene Why not Donald Donnelly Playing both roles Should Donald Donnelly play every part in the film?

So recasting couch I'm already on the record I think Laura San Jacamo would have been an amazing Mary Okay I really like that one But I have a more important one I have a more important one

George Hamilton's part. I have three runners up that I want to throw at you, and then who I think would have been an unbelievable person for this role that really would have taken to another level. The runner's up. Richard Gear, if we're just going handsome, charismatic, something. But maybe you, I'm saying you can't build the part up with George Hamilton

because it's like David Hasselhoff. I'm saying you have one of these actors you can actually build the part up. Harrison Ford? Interesting. My second favorite choice. Paul Newman. What about Paul Newman is Don Altavello? Hmm.

Oh, there you go. That's good. That's good. We're just working together here, guys. Good spitball. I would suggest one more person in that vein. I have my... What about your pick?

I have my winner. Paul Newman is Archbishop Gilday. International Immobiliary. I got some laughs in the other room there. It's big. Look at that. Nice, nice job. My pick.

And it's an unassailable pick when you consider 1989 where we are just in IMDB land. Can I guess where you're going? Don Johnson. He's nominated for multiple Oscars that decade. William Hurt. That's exactly what I was thinking. William Hurt is a fucking no-brainer.

That's who I was thinking. He kind of looks like Duval. Yeah. You could say it's like Duval's oldest son is now the conciliary. A couple of times when they're in half-ass internet research, especially like when we talk about this. They were getting into some pretty, like, well, what have we just recast this part?

What do you feel about, how would you have felt if they had just recast the role of Hagen? And it was William Hurt? No, I can't do that. Okay. I'm anti-recasting. Okay. But I think they could have said William Hurt's oldest son.

He went to Harvard. He's the Andrew Hagen's part. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you take the John Savage thing and you make that guy William Hurt, and he's the new conciliar. You think the one of the problem with that is,

if I'm Tom Hagan and I have a son who's at Harvard, and he's like, dad, what should I do with my life? I would not be like, you can want to work from Michael Corley because I had a great experience. He's only killed two of his brothers and sisters. It's a good point, although he's gone legitimate. Don't get thrown off if he disappears for a solid six months

and gets married to a Sicilian woman, then comes back and has you orchestrated abortion for his wife. Oh, no, that great boss. The only other recasting catch I have is Diane Keaton's hair in this movie. Half-ass internet research. Did you have a preferred hairstyle? How about something that does look like a poodle? She has to have a lot of regrets.

She's a very attractive lady, Diane Keaton. I don't get a ton of regret from Diane Keaton. I think she's very confident. It's a good corner for you, though, I think. We should talk about Kay on every pod. If you guys wanted to fend that haircut, Godspeed. The first draft was written, half-fasternernernered in 1979 by Dean Reisner,

whoever that is based on a Maripuzzo story, built around Anthony Corleone, who was a naval officer, working for the CIA and the Corleone family's involvement with the plot to assassinate a Central American dictator came in a little hot, apparently, for the studios. How do you feel about what they ultimately decided to do

with Anthony and making him an opera singer? I kind of liked it. I think it's like a choice that they made just to have one scene, so it's fine, but it's essentially like whether or not Michael lets Anthony sing is sort of like a stupid subplot. What about the scene when he sings

to the family at the little gathering at the restaurant? Were you moved by that? I was not, honestly. Bill? Did he pluck the strings of your heart when he sang that beautiful song? Yeah, because they had the Apollonia flashbacks. The only time Michael was truly happy. That's true.

Is that like when Ben Simmons plays the bass for you? Is that how does he sing? Except he's playing Metallica at ACC. The Sophia Coppola played Michael Corleone's infant nephew and the godfather in the baptism scene. During the murder montage, she's the baby. She played a small immigrant child in the godfather, too, seen when young Beto arrives at Ellis Island and then was in this movie. One of the only people that's

in all three movies. The actor who played Anthony Corleone, they had a casting call. They tried out 2,000 people before they landed on him. Couldn't tell you that guy. He's never been seen again. I don't remember his name. That's all I got, unless you have any more.

The one that, I think if you had read this at the time, you probably would have been like, A, this is sacrilegious and also like nobody needs this. And now, especially after this conversation, and how high we are on Garcia, I would actually be really excited to see it. Was the Andy Garcia once said that there was a

planned fourth movie starring him as Vincent and Leonardo DiCaprio as young sunny and that it would mirror the structure of Godfather 2. I'd love to see it. I mean, here's the thing is the question is, we had Godfather 3 to step down from Godfather 1 or 2.

Would you have been mad at Godfather 4? Would you still have gone, would you still have been interested in seeing it? I'm always like, it's got to be Michael. it's Michael's story. Once Michael's dead, Godfather's dead. So it's like what they basically did with Rocky Balboa, right?

Or Sly was like, eh, Rocky Five never happened. Let's do this again and just basically rebooted it. And then with Creed, they basically pretended everything after four didn't happen. Right.

No, but this wouldn't step on those toes. I mean, you wouldn't really have, it wouldn't be a Michael movie, but you'd be able to do De Niro and DiCaprio together, who are going to be in a movie now next year, but had never worked together before

or not since this boy's life, which I guess is right after this. But De Niro, yeah, no, it would have been, this would have been Garcia as Vincent. Yes, but De Niro and DiCaprio as young Santino and young Brando's character. Gotcha, Vito, yeah. I would like to see it, honestly.

What would you have positioned? I think it would have been interesting to have like Garcia in 90s, New York, like as Giuliani's coming in, you know? Well, no, you would have had him late 80s, like, battling. John Gotti in that whole crew, right? Yeah, it's like the Dinkin's time.

Sure. You know, I mean, that was when, like, Vinnie the chin was on the tabloids all the time. I mean, the Italian mafia. I think that's what the Bridget Fonda character is supposed to be, like, Grace, kind of like, she's supposed to be kind of like this tablo. Covering that, exactly. I have one more Don Altobelly. What if it was Brando? I think that would be too distracting.

Yeah. He's 18 years older and significantly heavier. It would almost seem like a different human being. I just think it's way too distracting. Because he made the freshman with Matthew Broderick, what, a year later? Yeah. Not a bad movie. No, I like that movie.

I mean, Copeland only made six more movies after this. I mean, he really didn't. 30 years have passed since the Godfather Part 3, literally twice as much time, almost twice as much time as has passed between Godfather 2 and Godfather 3. More time has passed since the first, since the last Lord of the Rings movie that we saw, than the time between Godfather 2 and Godfather 3. 16 years seemed like a lot of time, but it wasn't. It's not been 30 years since the last Godfather movie.

I feel like I would watch another Godfather movie. Sure. What do we have to lose here? We already had Sophia and 3 kind of like ruining an otherwise kind of fascinating document. I think you would have to set it now and make it like grandchildren and stuff and have all new characters. Use it that way. I don't think you can remake stuff. Apex Mountain.

Andy Garcia. I'd say yes Yeah Hmm What does he do after this? Internal Affairs It's a fucking great way I got you guys

You fucking You know you got me I got you on this one I You guys should just go get an Airbnb Mike Higgis Yeah Put that pot on the Patreon

Is Maddell is Stowe in that movie Who's the woman in that movie? Who's the woman Nancy Travis Breakout Performance Oh yeah Lori Metcalf's in it That's right

She's a cop right Richard Gears in it There's all I mean There's all kinds of people on that movie. That movie's good. You guys done? Yeah. Any other Apex Mountain?

The Vatican? I mean, definitely Donald Donnelly. Right? Yeah. Sophia Coppola acting jokes? Yeah. George Hamilton? Women's hair.

Not a lot of Apex Mountains. Picking Nets. Incest. No, I guess Throne's is incest. That was later. Throats. Picking Nets. I got one.

I'm just going to throw it out one more time. Why wasn't everyone more horrified by the incest plot? I can't believe. Like, Ebert wasn't like, yeah, this movie. So what's going on here? I'm telling you, we're on the outside looking in of the incest wave. There's something going on in the culture of people like, incest, maybe not so bad.

And we're mortified and can't understand it. Back in the, back then or now? In perpetuity. I have a picking net. Yeah. What's the vetting process for Archbishop Gilday to become in charge of all of the Vatican's finances? Like, what's the zip recruiter talk there?

I mean, this is sort of kind of sort of based on a true story. Hey, how about the nervy guy who smokes a lot? Let's put him in charge of the bank. Who talks like a lizard. The guy from V. This is like, let's put him in charge. If we're doing nitpicks, like that Vatican stuff is so hard. International immobile?

Oh, my God. It's like, you need like a, can I take, do I have to take a quiz after this to follow the 40 characters and 19 subpots? My big, like, kind of unanswerable question slash nitpig was like, what happened to the $600 million? Like, what happened to the immobilari deal? Like, so Mary dies, and then we get this little, you know, this epilogue where we see him die. But, like, in between, like, did the deal close? Is he in charge of the finances for the Vatican Bank? Do you want to do your impression of the guy telling everyone the deal's closed?

The deal for the international immobile alley has crossed the final hurdle. We've closed. We've wired the account. Another The price of forgiveness. I'm just Michael. Don Corlion.

International Amobriale. What are you doing? What is that bit? It's a bit that it takes on a life of its own. Now it's like self-sustaining. That's great. I fully support it. I have some more nitpicks,

but basically this whole movie is a nitpick. I wish I would say it had a single. where he goes back to where Apollonia blow. I wish they played up the Apollonia thing. It had to be like... Jesus. You got to just... Steer out of this one.

Yeah, you do a K turn here. You're in a small street. It's the Godfather trilogy. Why are you so fixated on Apollonia? Stick with me. He's back in the homeland. He has this thing with K that's being resolved. But he also has this unresolved thing with his first wife.

That clearly, when the son sings and he gets these flashbacks, he's got it. I think he takes K to the house that he lived with Apollonia and comes clean about the whole marriage and that's a fucking awesome scene. That would have been cool. I'm not going to argue with you. It would have been cool.

Thank you. And thanks for your patience. Sean just jumped on the point before I had a chance to land the plane. I honestly thought for a second you were like he's back in the homeland and he finds out Apollonia had a twin. She's still 16 though.

She hasn't aged a day. Turns out she's his cousin. I think you are very emotionally attached to that part of the story in one, which you talked about, and you like that. I think that was his true love. I don't think Kay was ever his true love. And I think as he's heading toward death, he's like, maybe she was my true love.

But it was really apollonia the whole time. I got to say true love is like the 11th most interesting thing about the godfather trilogy. Yeah, true. Best quote, treachery is everywhere. Finances and gun politics knowing when to pull the trigger. It's dangerous to be an honest man. Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment.

Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment. That's good one. That's my approach. That's Sean has that. That's behind his desk. He who builds on the people builds on mud. I don't need tough guys.

I need more lawyers. And then all the other quotes who mentioned. Michael, now they'll fear you. Maybe they should fear you. All right, go on, get on here. Michael. Yes. Now they'll fear you.

Maybe they should fear. you. It's given a good Pacino. Yeah. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show?

I would say, yeah, if they said it in the modern air, I would not remake this movie into a 10-episode Netflix show, but if they did the grandchildren. If they were just like,

if Netflix was like, here, Francis Coppola, take $200 million and make a Netflix show about the Corleone family. Yeah. So we have to wait for him

to go bankrupt again before it happens. What about the life in times of Archbishop Guilbert? It's a rap for him because Al Niri able, like he makes the run into the Vatican. Vatican, not a lot of security.

Probably an answerable questions. I only had, Vincent went from wearing a leather jacket and being a hot head to just wearing Armani and becoming the Don really fast. How does the payment? It happens in two seats. I don't think that the times, I think it's unclear how much time elapses in this movie. Oh, I had that for a nipick. So it's a long time.

When is Godfather 2, like the fine, when he kills Fredo, what year is that, you think? Early 60s? It's right. It's when Cuba is being overthrifice. drone. Yeah, like, so 60s, early 60s. Yeah. Right.

But then he doesn't forgive him for a while, then mama dies. So that could be like two, three years after. Yeah. 15 years later is Godfather 3? Yeah. So 65 to 70. And then 79 is when Godfather 3 starts. And how old do we think Mary is?

She says like when you were, yeah. I think because she says I was 8 when you were 15. Because we see her in Godfather 2 and she's like four. Because she's like, Michael, give me 8. Anthony, give your mother a kiss, and Mary's in that scene. I think you could make the case that it's like 64, 65 when the movie ends, and then 12 or 13 years transpire. Well, there's that one scene when Michael and Al Neri were talking about the 61 World Series.

Michael lost. No, that didn't happen, Chris. I could tell Chris was zoning out. I was just throwing fake stuff. I have no other answer to the question. That totally could happen in those movies. Who won the 1961 World Series? Is that Bobby Thompson?

Is that 59? Mazurowski. Okay. Are you just to-torian? who, what team Masoroski was on? The Red Sox? Pirates.

Okay. I'm not a baseball historian. I'm sorry. I didn't know that was a qualification. She won the movie. She won you. Pachino. Eh?

What are you? Garcia case? I think Puccino. I agree. Only one guy got nominated for an Oscar. That's not the be-all and end all of what we're talking about here. Pacino wins it. But I think Garcia makes a better run than I think I realized.

Yeah. I got to just take a look at my guy's career at this point. Andy Garcia or Al Pacino? Do you think there's any way to re-edit this movie into like a two-hour movie that is coherent? So what would you cut out? I cut out a lot of the Vatican stuff. I cut down the opera by 20 minutes. I would probably, would you edit out?

How much of Mary would you edit out? Oh man, I would edit out a ton. How much more international would you put in? How much more finance? I mean, that's the thing. I mean, that's the thing. I want more New York. I want more like Michael kind of like

picking judges and doing charities and stuff like that. Could they do the Irishman technology and have Winona Ryder and the Sophia Coppola part? I mean, they probably could. Technically, they probably could. Deep fake. 1986 to 1990, Andy Garcia.

8 million ways to die. The untouchables stand and deliver. Black Rain, Internal Affairs, The Godfather, Part 3. Should we do Garcia Month on the rewatchables? Black Rain, he gets beheaded. Spoiler, Craig. Sorry. And then it's actually... Spoiler, Craig. Sorry.

His career goes into a weird... You'd think he would springboard off of the Academy Award nomination. What's the John Avnet movie he makes with Meg Ryan where she's an alcoholic? When a Man Loves a Woman. Oh, that movie's good. Yeah.

I like that movie. Things to do in Denver when you're dead after that movie I like. That's not great. Dangerous Mines. Steel Big, Steel, Little, Night Falls in Manhattan. He kind of falls apart here. He's cut out of Dangerous Minds. He made it, but they cut every scene in the movie.

Oh, you're right. The Seems deleted. That's what it says. It's a big one. We'll talk about when we do the Dangerous Minds rewatchables this summer. I've definitely not seen that movie since it came out. Yeah, it's not rewatchable for me, personally. As you know, it's the 1961 World Series of movies for me. Fyfer Solo Pod for you?

As you know, I have some strong Fifer feelings. I would do Tequila Sunrise with you. That movie is her Kobe 81 point game. Dangerous Minds? Fabulous Baker Boys? Fabulous Baker Boy, she has help. Dangerous minds is she's just like clear out. If you had to do the scales of justice between Michelle Pfeiffer or the 16-year-old girl in Sicily,

what would you do? America's going to be with me as always. You're wrong about Sinatra. Bill. And you're wrong about this. Pacino's true love was his first wife. Okay. In our Corleone.

And she's settled. He settled for K. He settled for K. Kay. Kay was not a challenge for him. Apollonia? You think she was a big challenge? She thinks she was really pushing the... The father was ready to kill him and won. That's true.

Kay, it's just like, hey, I'll show up at your school. I haven't seen you for five years. Climb into the limo. Leave all these kids in the lurch. Let's have some kids and they don't ever see me again. And I'm going to shoot my brother. What kind of marriage was that? And this must all end. It's just to have an abortion to, like, get back on them.

It was an abortion. That was the worst relationship ever. I can't believe you guys are in on that relationship. I love it. He loved Apollonia. That was the true love of his life. I've just never seen you so sentimental. It's amazing.

You're just so hooked into their love. I just like the thought that he could love. He could love. They got married. So what? People could get married him one night. Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday. For Chris Ryan, Sean Fettison, this is the rewatchables.