The Rewatchables - ‘The Good Son’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

From Hell Month rolls on with a visit to Rock Harbor, Maine, where little Henry is up to no good! The guys revisit the 1993 psychological thriller ‘The Good Son,’ starring Macaulay Culkin and Elijah Wood. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic The Ringer is committed to responsible trading. Please visit https://fanduel.com/predicts to learn more about the resources and helpline. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Just keep moving, yeah. What are you going to start moving? All I do is pot. I don't write anymore. You know, I'm following in his footsteps. My fingers are broken. Okay. Yeah, the difference is you'll go on all the pods.

Yeah, that's right. You're like Dominic Dunn in the 90s, taking dinner and buy it during the OJ trial. What time? Table for 10? Did you do, was it Ben Shapiro this week? Oh, we won. You did, okay. We are still in From Hell Month.

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See terms at fandal.com slash predicts to sign up. slash bonus dash offer dash terms. Guys, kids from hell, a staple of the from hell genre. I'm going to give you my top three ever, and then we can decide who's in the fourth spot on Kids from Hell Mount Rushmore. I made a top 10 list, just so you know.

I have. Oh, you did? I did. Do you really? I did. Well, why don't you do yours, and I'll give you mine? Well, the OGs, Damien Omen.

It's all for you, Damien! Yeah. Michael Myers. That's funny. I didn't list him. Sure. Sure. Sure. What? No, this is why you're you. It's because you see the whole landscape. You're right. You're right.

I watched him for 15 years. Not staring at the wall, staring through the wall. I would argue in his childhood Michael was relatively dormant, though, right? Like he had the one bad night. He killed his sister. He had one bad night. He has a tough night. Age six.

Stabbing. So I have him and I have King Joffrey as my third one. Oh, bring TV in. I didn't do... Joffrey, like, underrated fucking maniac. Jopry, kind of... Yeah, McCauley in this movie is kind of the blueprint for Joffrey.

Yeah, yeah. Where you're just like, it's just pure malevolence all the way down. So I did a slightly different version of it. I did... There's something wrong with the kid movies. Which is not quite the same as just evil kid. But it's in the...

They're related. It's in the zone. What else do you have? Number 10, there's two Village of the Damned movies. 60 and then Carpenter remade it in 95. Number nine, recent movie, late night with the devil. Yeah. where a young girl gets possessed on live television.

So you count possessions for... I am counting possessions. Okay, because the kids do... Because Exorcist is a tough one. Well, we'll get there. Number eight is Brightburn, a movie I know you like. Really like Brightburn. What if Superman was evil, basically?

The Good Son is number seven. Number six is the Bad Seed, Huge Inspiration for the Good Sun. I have the Omen at five. I have... We need to talk about Kevin at four. Kevin over Damien. Kevin over Damien. Wow. Number three, Orphan, which is an absolute banger.

Number two, The Shining. Because Danny at first, we're like, is Danny going to be the problem here? Now, there is kind of something wrong with Danny. I don't think I ever really thought that. But, yeah, I'm going to... Okay, roll with me. And then number one, of course, is Reagan and The Exorcist. I had her as well.

Two you left out, Children of the Corn. Isaac. He wants you to, Malachi. Can we do that, please, one day? Can we do Children of Corn? Have you rewatched it, though? It's really bad. It's not that good.

But I just want to talk... Hoobie's like, we're not sure. It has a couple good scenes, but it's pretty rough. And then the other one I had, which I actually watched in preparation for this podcast, a movie that I somehow missed. And I was 92 the year I graduated college. No recollection of this coming out. I don't think it was really released in the theaters that much and then became a cult

classic after. It's called Mikey. I've never seen this. I was reading about it. Brian Bonsal, who was the little kid that got added at the end of family ties when they made the classic 80s sitcom. a mistake of we need to mix things up on the show. Oh, the parents are pregnant again. Mikey's insane. It's on Amazon. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Josie Bissette from Melrose Place and

the white guy from Miami Vice, John Deal, one of the backup cops. Yeah. Yeah. They're both in it. But Mikey, he's like literally a serial killer. So I said like a nine-year-old. I read that this was one of three movies that were all banned around the same time, including the Good Sun in England. because there was some copycat stuff going on. And they were worried about that with the Good Sun here too, where they were just like, if people see Colkin breaking bad, this is going to be terrible. I got to say Mikey is a nice little appetizer for the Good Sun.

It's like the more ridiculous, too-be, crazy version of it. What are your evil kid takes? I mean, I think Kevin is actually pretty high up there for me. It's a very disturbing movie. That's like a really disturbing one. That's almost more realistic. You know, I mean... That's like you need a shower after that movie.

Yeah. Also, the kid who played Kevin turned out to be fucking cuckoo for Cocoa Puss. You could throw, just from recently, you could make an argument about the young version of the Zendaya character from the drama. That's funny.

That's a great one. And you could make the argument that Alana Heim's character is even worse. We don't see her childhood. Yeah, we'll hear about her childhood. But she sounds almost more sociopathic about it in some ways. So you're counting orphan? Well, it does turn out

It's a 35-year-old Romanian. Spoilers for 2009's orphan. Come on. 17 years old. That's one of the great twists, though, in recent movie history. The reveal at the end, I was just like absolutely fucking ludely. It's a massive, massive hit with the Simmons family. As you know, the Simmons family watches all of these,

and the Good Son is the perfect family movie because it's pushing it, but not really. It's scary, but not totally. It's creepy, but it has an okay. It's like 9% better than a TV movie of the week. and it's that 9% where it flies. So what do you want for a medieval kid movie, CR? Do you like the satanic possession angle or do you like the... No, I like it to be in the parent's hands of like,

what are we going to do about this? Because obviously, like, the instinct, and this movie dramatizes it really well, as the instinct is like, I would give up my life for my kid, and the only thing that matters is my kid, there's nothing that my kid could do that wouldn't make me love it.

And this movie asks you, but what if that wasn't the case? Or what if you were pushed to such a far extreme You had to make a choice. How old's your daughter now? She'll be five in July. This is a fun conversation. No, it's not going where you think you're going.

So you're going to be around a lot of kids and a lot of parents from this point on. There's going to be the one kid where you're like, Hey. Huh. Yeah. And if his name is Damien or Kevin, you're already going to be prejudiced against them. There will be the jokes. Believe me, I made them back in the day.

I was at a birthday party with Alice in January. January and there was a bounce house at the birthday party. I'll just say that there was one kid who is pushing the limits of sadism in the bounce house, I'll say, delighting in punishing other children. Keep an eye on that kid from that moment on.

Is that kid's named Payman? Yeah. Payman, another bad kid. Pizzou Johnson. Yeah. Payman's a good one. Yeah. Payman's definitely in there. Yeah, because well, there's two different versions for the parent, right? One is it's your kid and you're constantly trying to convince your

that the kid's fine, which is what's so great about that Kevin movie, the movie that I would not buy on 4K Blu-ray, because I don't ever want to see it again. I own it. I wouldn't want to be like, hey, what are we doing today? We need to talk about Kevin. We got to watch that Bowenero scene. So you have that, but then you have the

other version is the someone else has that kid. Do we want our kid to interact with that kid? Right. Which is a whole other. And this movie kind of introduces that, and it's in the plot. structure where it's sort of like what if a normal kid, or at least what we think is a normal kid, is introduced into a world where there's something wrong with the other kids.

So like we have, it's not through the eyes of the parents, it's through the eyes of another child, which is an uncommon thing in these kinds of movies. Usually it's through the eyes of the parents. So I think that's part of what is effective about this movie. Yeah, all the adults are pretty much viewed through the POV of the kids. And that's like different than say how we did with, Heather Rock's a Cradle where it kind of jumps around a lot. you're kind of given insight into like

what's going on here or there before the characters know it. This is all like, I have a lot of like picking nits about Uncle Wallace, you know, and some stuff like that. But like all we see of him is what the Mark and Henry character see,

really what the Mark character sees. Evil Henry, played by McCauley Calkin. Yeah. In a phenomenal performance. The manipulative stuff is great. Everything, all the shit he's doing, He's like, hey, Mom, Mark wants to,

Mark wants to stay in Richards room. He's like, no, I don't. He's just constantly, like, pushing buttons and figuring out where the limits are. And just trying to quietly torture people. But then he's also a fucking maniac. He's the Tiger Woods of Gaslighting. It would have been an incredible run for him. It ended really soon, you know, ended early.

Yes. Yes. You want to make some sort of calls like in the NBA. But what would have been? his 99 U.S. Open. You know, like, what could he even done at college or in the professional workspace? I had that written down how

I wish he hadn't died and I wanted more stuff with him for the sequel. It's like he's running a gambling ring in the seventh grade and just where else it could have gone. I just felt that's small potatoes for him. I mean, he really, he was reaching for the stars right out of the shoot. He was like, what I will do is I'll murder my brother. Like he was

he was building weapons. I mean, it wasn't going to end well for Henry no matter what. But yeah, he had a shed. with Mr. Highway that he built his fake fake dummy that he could throw at a highway? This movie also really taps into something that I think all three of us have talked about a bunch over the years,

which is when we were growing up, your parents were just like, all right, we'll see you in nine hours. Yeah. Like, what did you do with all of this free time when no one was looking after you? Which is like, not the experience I'm having as a parent. I'm pretty aware of where my daughter is at all times. Yeah.

But when we were kids, sure. You could just build Mr. Highwayman in a shed. This might have ended the latchkey parenting generation. Seriously. be like, we need to make sure... It's at the tail end. We don't have a good son.

Yeah. This is right. The 90s were when this started to flip around and people started to become a little more sophisticated. Yeah, he has this shed where he is Mr. Highway. He has basically the... He has the fucking no country for old men's gun. Yeah.

Call it it. He's like, want to see the stuff at my shed? He has a tree house that it's like 50-50. You're going to fall to your death as you're climbing. A death trap. Yeah. He's like, no, no, go this way. The scary way.

free rain to go play on cliff sides in the winter in New England where like they could just get blown off. And highway overpasses. They're just like hanging out around the highway and on train tracks. Like the number of places where they go and just like hang out every single space where they go is dangerous.

Yeah, it's almost like the only thing they're missing is like the subway with the third rail where you'd get electrocuted. Right. It's kind of like a final destination movie. Yeah. You know where they keep putting them, they keep putting the characters in scenarios where like something terrible is about to happen here. Did you know anything about this movie before you watched it?

Zero. I assumed Colkin was the good son going into it. Liz and I were like, it has to be Colkin's the good kid, right? They would never, he's a star coming off home alone. There's no way he's going to be bad. But it was a way, but even the way Elijah Wood has a look to him that I thought could be portrayed as sinister. So I was surprised they went the other way, but they were both perfect for it. He does a good

job freaking out. You love this movie. I can already see it in your eyes. Ridiculous movie. It had Oh, I had one more thing about the From Hell All-Stars for constructed in the perfect family. Sleeping with the enemy guy is the dead. Patrick Bergen, yeah. He's been mentioned on every From Hell month.

Same director, by the way. Joseph Rubin, who also directed sleeping with the enemy. I think the mom can't be a From Hell. I think you need one person in the From Hell movie who's not from hell. The mom who's constantly overlooking the signs that something bad's happening. Oh, yeah, okay.

That's like a Julia Roberts type of actress, whatever. McCauley Calkin and Alicia Silverstone is the two kids. I think she's the older sister. De Mornay is the nanny. Of course. Glenn Close is the mistress. And then I think Kathy Bates, Vince Vaughn, and Sam Jackson all live next door. Who are?

Who's that? With Tim Robbins and whoever his wife was in Arlington Road. Oh, yeah. They're across the street. Okay. Just doing some FBI terrorist stuff. This is like your all-star team up of all the From Hell, Baddies.

They're all there. Does Arlington Rodin from Hell Month? No, but I do like that movie. It is a good one. Nothing better than when you guys look at each other talking about a semi-obscure movie that nobody cares about and decide you're going to devote a lot of time to it on this show. That movie has Jeff Bridges, Tim Robbins, and...

Is Madeline Stowe in that? No, there's a really good actress in it, too. It's been a long time since. Is it Mark Pellington of the director? Yeah. Director of the Jeremy video? Yes. It's a good movie.

It's got a nice twist. Zoe and I watched it over Christmas break, and she loved it. But she seems to like all of these movies. Road from Hell. Arlington. Well, Road from Hell would also be like U-turn. Yeah, or The Hitcher. Yeah.

Or Duel? Truck from Hell? Truck from Hell. This movie also had one of the great random endings of all time. Random? Yeah. Where it's like, this is whatever. It's a stupid from hell movie.

But the choice of the mom holding the two kids over the cliff. It's incredible. I think I got 20 years of column jokes out of this about who do you choose? Jalen or Jason hold them over the clip. Jaylan's going to, Dad, give me your other hand. Where are you at on that right now?

I dropped Jalen. You did. Yeah. After the Twitch stream. Do you, just on this day, will Jalen be on the Celtics the start of next season? So we're taping this on June 4th.

Yeah. You think he gets Trader in the drafts? I would say 70, 30, not on the Celtics. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. By the time people listen to this, maybe he won't be on the Celtics. Sheesh.

But yeah, the good son analogy. I would have it with you guys. I got CR and Sean. I think we all know I'm getting dropped. Everybody knows I'm getting dropped. Sierra's like, Bill. It's launching to a fiery death. Don't give me your other hand.

Let me fly, Bill. What's crazy about this, though, is... Does that indicate, who did I drown then in that analogy if I'm the one that gets dropped? Was Sean trying to throw a rock on you when you were thinking... I'd pull both you up. Thanks. I had something the strength. I say both of you guys.

They filmed this, though. It's no CGI because we don't have CGI back then. No. They have people on, you know, those things. They're actually dangling. They're all at various points. They're all dangling from harnesses. And at some point,

Culkin had to do like a 30-foot drop for the end that he, they rehearsed it for weeks. They rehearsed all of it. And it's why it looks so cool because you're watching. Like, how are they doing this? Yeah. And he must have landed on one of those big parachute landing spots. When Wendy Cruson's character goes down,

and it's clearly a stunt woman, but like it does not look like she's harness to anything. No, she falls on like the outcropping of the trees and rocks. That's so nuts. In general, so Joseph Rubin, you mentioned director, but the way he shoots this, it's really good. I think it's like a really well-done movie. I totally agree with you.

My whole take on the movie is that it's ironically written by one of the great novelists of our lifetimes, and it's very trashy. And clearly, like, it was rewritten and kind of stripped down, and it's, like, not a good script. But it is made with a level of Hollywood craft that is extremely high for such a junky piece of material. That was, and McEwen, who's, I think, more or less, disowned the movie or whatever, even though he got arbitration credit for it, was like, the idea was to do something very low class in a high art way. Right. You know, so it does make sense.

The thing that this movie has is just the two kid performances are among the best, you. you can really get from kids. They're fantastic. And they're now, I think, widely acknowledged as like two of the great child stars in the history of movies. Yeah. It's funny. This whole era and the movies were done, they're all, like, basically, it's like going to a diner and having, like, the best patty melt and the best fries and the best shake. That's what these movies are. Yeah.

They're all really well done with good actors. Like, we did single-wife female, and Jennifer Jason Lee's, like, great in that movie. Yeah. You know, and it's also really well directed. Then we did, uh, In That Rocks the Cradle. which is Curtis Hanson. Yep. A couple years before he does LA Confidential

and DeMorne is incredible in that. And this movie, like, this would just be like a fucking lifetime movie 20 years later. But it's like a $20 million movie that had the hottest star under 21, probably the last 50 years. Yep. And it's really good.

And he basically, I was trying to think of any comp, I was hoping you could help me, of somebody who would have been like the America's sweetheart, big, huge movie star for as rare as it is that it's a child like this to be like for my next act,

I'm going to be Hannibal Lecter in a movie like even though I am currently still like I'm Kevin McAllister and everybody knows them. It was honestly a great zag. Yeah. I mean, because it's like you have a five-year window when you're a kid star. It's not going to last.

It's just not. You're going to grow up, you're going to look awkward and people aren't going to stay with you. And I thought they did a good job of like, inventing him. Well, it's such a complicated conversation because obviously his father was playing such a big role in kind of charting the path for his career.

And this was really important to his dad to mess with the expectations of McCulkin. Well, he was treating McCulley Colkin like he was Glenn Powell or Brad Pitt. Where he's like, we got to mix it up. We got to show people that you can play dark. And I'm like, he's eight. What do you do?

I mean, there are a lot of other examples of like young child stars over the years like Mickey Rooney was like this. Elizabeth Taylor was like this, Shirley Temple was like this. They got their starts really early on. And then when they started to get into their teens and their 20s, if they stuck around in Hollywood, that's when they would start darkening their persona

and taking on more challenging stuff and sometimes playing the villains to kind of upset your expectations. But like you said, he's 10 years old, I think, when he makes this movie or 11 years old? He breaks through an Uncle Buck and he steals every scene. And then Home Alone is a phenomenon in 1990. It's one of the biggest movies of the 1990s, right? and then does the My Girl thing, which was a big deal, that he dies in my girl.

I love My Girl. And then the dad, who were about to talk about Kit Culkin, they want to do Home Alone too. And he's like, that's fine. But I want my son to be in the good son. And they're already like ahead of the, they have the director, they have the stars. They're already about to make it. And he basically gets them the stop production, wait a year for him to finish Home Alone too. And it was probably the right move

even if he sounds like a psycho. But the next ones after this were getting even with dad with Ted Danson. Two people right after you would have wanted them like three years after. And then Richie Rich and then it was over. He stopped acting with 14. Yeah, when does the club movie come out?

When does... Party Monsters like 10 years later. Yeah, after those movies. Stops at 14, gets married at 18 to an actress. Ebert, who hated this movie about as passionately as anything we've covered in 440...

A vicious review. Just like could not have been more upset about how much he hated it. He wrote during this movie, What were Culkin's parents thinking? When they pushed him in a movie where he drowns his baby sister, tries to drown his little sister, wants to push his mother off the cliff, if this kid grows up into another one of those pathetic,

screwed up former child stars who are always spilling their guts on the talk shows, a lot of adults will share the blame. It's kind of half what happened. Although he seems like a very well-adjusted older adult? But would that have happened to McCullocholkin even if he didn't make the good son? I mean, you could just you could just say that being exposed to that level of fame

and being involved in the projects that he was involved in before that. To me, the Ebert reading on this is really interesting because he always gets a little bit caught up in the morality. He had a hard time with slasher movies. He has a hard time with like juvenile comedy and he has a hard time with really mean-spirited movies

historically. Yeah. And he comes down really hard on them. He almost always overlooks the craft. He thinks really about like the feeling, which I love about him. But he's, like, so hard on this movie because all he's thinking about is little kids who love McCauley Culkin watching McCauley Culkin in the movie.

Yeah, I mean, I was too... Is that a way to look at the movie? I don't think I was, like, as engaged in... I'm the opposite. I'm like, this movie's fucking awesome. Well, I think it now... It's almost easier to look at as a museum piece than probably in the moment. In the moment, I'm sure it was just, like,

the kid from home alone is, like, a multiple-time murderer and psychopath. Yeah. But I think it adds, like, an interesting layer of like twisted psychology to the whole entire movie if you think about the fact that McCauley Culkin's father wanted him to play Henry. Yes. Like that's fucked up.

I agree. But it does give the movie itself like a little bit of like, oh, like this is some seasoning. I didn't expect to have this off-screen narrative into it. To Craig's point about when he sat down to watch it, he never thought in a million years McCauley would be the villains. Yes. I remember seeing the trailer before a movie with the trailer. probably started running maybe three, four years

because three, four months before, we didn't have the same kind of knowledge of what was coming back then as much. And the trailer was really good, and it was like, wait, is he, what's going on here? Yeah. And it was kind of shocking.

The trailer's really good. Like, they did, he's got the flashlight, and it's clear that he's going to be the creepy guy. So there was awareness that it was him. A movie now, though, I guess if it was like, if it was an Ariaster movie, it would be as mean-spirited.

but for the most part, if this was a studio drama now, they would give you at least some indication of why Henry is the way that he is. They would psychologize him. They wouldn't just make a movie about a sociopathic eight-year-old. Or there'd be a demonic possession or something. This movie is just, this kid is evil. That's it. Is that better or worse, though?

I don't think it's better. I don't think it's more enjoyable that it's just like this is evil incarnate. I'm okay with not knowing why he is and just thinking that he's, just a bad terrible. My favorite part of the research was apparently the novelization is just like he's a sociopath. Nothing bad happened to him. He came out like this. I mean, that was basically what the Kevin movie tried to do too. Kevin was just like, there's just always been something a little off with this kid. Kit Culkin, you know who his sister was? His sister. She's the ice skate girl. She's the daughter. Kit Culkin. His father. Oh, Kit Culkin. Who was his sister?

Bonnie Bedelia. Oh, no kidding. No. Yeah. Bonnie Bedelia's their hand? Bonnie Bedelia's McCullin's aunt. Wow.

Bonnie Bedillion presumed innocent and Henry in this movie and would be able to get along, I think. He could have been in the house. New York Times wrote a big piece about Kit Culkin in 1993 that I'm on Earth. Did you guys read this? No.

It's basically about Kit Culkin, why is this guy so powerful? and coming off home alone too, which made $373 million. Mr. Culkin was just rated the 48th most powerful person in Hollywood by Premier Magazine

ahead of Michael Douglas and Eddie Murphy. Earlier this month, he signed an $8 million contract with MGM for getting even with dad. And then it goes into all the stuff that when he decided, I want my son to be in the good son, and everyone in Hollywood is like,

It doesn't work this way, man. You can't just bully people around. And he's like, yeah, it does. If my son's a big enough star, and guess what? He's one of the biggest stars in the world. Then it's going to work this way. And you're going to give me this, and I'm going to make this amount of money. And apparently it was just a nightmare.

There was all these details about fights about everything, where the camera is set up for a shot. Where his hair is done properly, scenes rewritten. He was just running the show for two, three years. Yeah. And what happens? As soon as the star's, he's done. starts to fade, Hollywood's like, fuck this guy. And that was it.

What's weird is that he's estranged from everybody now. Yes. I don't think Max talked to him in 20 years. He talked to him. He didn't interview recently. Did he? He was on the Kate and Oliver Hudson's sibling revelry podcast. Yeah, I don't know.

Did we need to add that to the rigor? Kate and Oliver Hudson have a podcast? Apparently. Okay. He said, McCauley said, him and his seven living siblings and all of their kids are all estranged from Kit Culkin and intend to keep it that way.

Wow. I mean, wasn't there also a lot about the way that the money was managed and who got what? That was also, I feel like, a part of the controversy there. And so I think they all resent that in addition to the way that he had. Well, they had the Rooney role where you're protected somewhat, but I still feel like he could probably grab stuff under the table left and right. The Rooney rule? Like the Mickey Rooney Roll?

Yeah. Not like the art room. Yeah, because I think he just got completely demolished by his parents all the money he made. That's what's going to happen to Ben Simmons. Hopefully you guys aren't estranged. Hopefully you and Ben are not. A strange to any point. So far we're doing great.

Elijah Wood, who really has a nice IMDB and has been in a lot of stuff. One of the great careers. Yes. The war, the ice storm, Deep Impact, the faculty of Bill Simmons' favorite.

Yeah. Three Lord of the Rings movies, Eternal Sunshine, beat out Jake Jelenhall for Lord of the Rings. Roger Ebert once called him the most talented actor in his age group in Hollywood history. And it's just aged beautifully.

Like, has really, like, every five, seven, eight years or whatever when he's kind of, like, moved into a different period of his life has been, like, in a movie that is, like, appropriate for that. Like, it's, it's just been a real pleasure. We talked about him in the Ice Storm podcast. Just a really good actor. He's terrific in that movie, too. He's great in this movie. Yeah. He's kind of always great.

It's weird because he, you know, he has one year later, he's in North, which is, like, one of the legendary bombs. Oh, yeah, the Rob Rocker movie, right? And he just keeps on trucking, you know? Like, he's, like, in Ice Storm a couple years later. He's in a movie. in the war the year after that. Like, he didn't miss a beat. He didn't, it's interesting to kind of map him alongside McCulley Coulkin,

who seemed like an absolute rocket ship. Like, there was nothing that would ever take him down. And like you said, his career basically stops after Richie Rich. And, and Elijah Wood is still going. Yeah. He's just in Ready or Not, too. Yeah. My guess is Colkin still probably banking stuff off the movies he made?

I'm sure there's royalty stuff. And he's slowly been coming back, right? He was in a home alone. commercial. I think he's a good interview. I was thinking he would actually be really good on that. He'd be a fun podcast to do. He's really insightful in the John Candy documentary

because he had formed that relationship with John Candy on Uncle Buck. And like he explains how John Candy basically made him comfortable on camera. And it was cool to see him like reflective in that way. So we haven't, we hadn't seen him much. But now it feels like he's almost like ready to make another movie or something. Also dated Milakunis for like four years.

He's married to Brenda Song now, right? Yes, yeah. And she's kind of now, she's in that Ked Hudson show. Yeah, running point. And she's a ball knower. She knows a ton of the Rams. Yeah. I think Culkin is incredibly likable now.

Like, every time I've seen him, I'm always like, hey, man, that guy figured his shit out. Yeah. It really could have gone. Drew Barrymore's same thing where you're just like, way to go. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely probably saw some dark moments over the years.

I'm still rooting for him to do the Home Alone sequel where he's the dead. that's like the all-time no-brainer Netflix movie. Just call it and give him the $15 million. You wouldn't watch it? You watch Happy Goalmore 2. Against my will. You watched it, though.

Okay, is that the goal? Time spent on platform. Home alone. Why would Disney let Netflix have the Home Alone IP? They're going to share it. There's nothing I like more than teasing Craig about Happy Gilmore, too. No one was more angry about that than he was. Guess what?

He watched the whole thing. That's right. consumed it. I love that. You know what he was? The Netflix? 95 minutes of content. Your eyeballs to us, buddy.

Wendy Cruzen is the mom. Yeah. She's known from this, from three Santa Claus movies, all of which I've missed. I got to say, I missed all the Santa Claus movies. Yeah.

The Tim Allen, Santa Claus? Never saw. Oh, my God. I love those movies. Is she the mom in the Santa Claus or something? Yeah, she's annoying. She's an Air Force one,

and most importantly, and to Jillian on her 37th birthday. Oh, yeah. One of the great bad, movies of the 1990s. For years, was married to one of my favorite actors,

Michael Murphy. Oh, that guy. Yeah. How about that? Yeah. We'll get into there are other there are other actresses

that were for this part. Yeah. I think she's really good for her in this movie, but I also think this would have been a great part for an awesome actress. She plays...

You just put Merrill Streep in this movie? The person who was originally... The person who was originally cast in this role, you're like, this would have been awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a couple, like, from that age group we were like, oh, that would have been... She's really rocking a period-appropriate haircut. Yes. That, like, hyper-shortcut, where it was like a lot of women had that cut at that time, but now that's not something you ever see.

I dated a girl who had that haircut in college. It was like a three-year run. The Mary Kay Place kind of thing. It was like a three-year run for it, and it just went away. You want to talk about the writer? Ian McEwen? Yeah. What's your relationship?

Love is novels, Atonement, and Enduring Love and Amsterdam. This comes relatively early. on in his novelist career. And it was obviously like brought out to come out to the coast. We'll get together. Have a few laughs. It's right.

It's like after comfort of strangers. I think it's child in time comfort and strangers era. And so they bring them out and they're like, what do you want to do? What do you? Yeah, yeah. And he banged this out.

I think the bones of it are probably his. But like I think a lot of the, um, I don't know, maybe the lack of like psychological and character depth is probably brought on. Well, he despises the movie. Yeah.

It's one of those where in the Wikipedia page for this movie, you wonder if he went in there and added a couple things. Yeah, I don't know if Amy Kewen's doing a lot of Wikipedia editing, or his assistant did or something. You read it and it's like very like, he just, Ian McEwen had this great idea and they fucked it up. Yeah.

For sentences on end, but I don't know what the high concept version of this movie is, and frankly, I'm not sure there should have been a high concept. Well, you know, there's a couple of his books that really explore the idea of a moment in your life that changes everything. Often in youth. Yes. Yeah. And so I can see some faint outlines of McEwen in this, of like this idea of like, in a time of one kid's trauma from losing his mother,

he goes and spends a weird winter with family and meets this other kid who's like seemingly possessed by the devil, but the mother is possessed by an angel. Like, I don't know. I mean, like, there's stuff in there, but that I think they stripped that down and made it more about Mr. Highway. So it's like the Charles Fifth game for Sean. Hey, hey, look, when we're recording this,

we don't know what's going to happen. We really don't. Yeah, true. We really don't. Can we just not even? Can we just not even? I'm just saying that was a bad moment. It was a very bad moment.

In fact, I spoke about it to my five-year-old last night. Did you? I did. We were talking about demons. Was she receptive? She was kind of barely understanding what I was talking about, but I was trying to guide her through the experience of mixed history.

Mine was the Red Sox Yankees playoff game in 78. That was my version. of a E.N. Q. N. Just the worst. I mean, I was about the age of the boys in this movie when that Charles Smith came happened. Oh, yeah. It set me down a dark path.

Joseph Rubin, DreamScape, 1984. The Stepfather, 1987, a good movie. Solid. With our guy Terry O'Quinn from Lost and a bunch of things. True Believer. I like True Believer. I've never seen it. Is that James Spader?

Sleeping with the Enemy An immortal classic The Good Son Money Train Money Train is not bad Banger, yeah And then return to Paradise That's where the wheels start going off

So he had a nice little run there I saw his first movie that he made A couple weeks ago Randomly, before you even asked me to do this I just popped it in It's called Joy Ride The cast is Robert Carradine Desi Arnaz Jr.

And Melanie Griffith A very young Melanie Griffith Yeah, about three kids to go up to Canada? Oh, is it to escape the draft? To go on the run? Yeah. That is a very strange, but kind of entertaining movie.

And it's like a real, like, kind of little grind-housy, little exploitation movie. But you can see even in that movie the bones of, like, what he's interested in. He's a From Hell all-star director. Yeah. Really good at wide shots of awesome locations that seem seemingly peaceful and serene. But guess what, they're not. Yeah, he and Hanson were the two masters of it. Yeah.

I like him. I like his style. They made this movie in Maine, most of it, built all this. I think they, I don't know if they, I think they might have built the house.

And then filmed it a whole bunch of other places too, where the cliff scene was not in Maine. But the house was Manchester by the sea in Massachusetts. Okay. I was going to talk about this. Which you can drive up to right now. It's on Redfin. You can go find it.

You can go look at it. So I know you, been to Maine, you like to vacation in Maine. I love Maine. You're from New England. I know. I never really crossed the line with Maine. My wife really loved it up there. Didn't you guys go to

Portland for some reason? We did. We did Portland. We did Manchester a couple of times. But we just never really got over the hump. I've been there a couple times and I really liked it. I only went in the summers. I've never been in a cold winter there. But, you know, it's such a beautiful part of the country. But it's also a very complicated

part of the country and almost all the movies that are made there and this is in part because of Stephen King but not just Stephen King are all really kind of sinister like there's something about that part of the coast

it's unforgiving it's unforgiving it's kind of like the Oregon coast as well it's like you can't really swim here you know it's like you don't fall off the cliff beautiful but you can't actually experience the beauty sheer rock faces

Yeah. There's like weird bugs that'll come out and like July all of a sudden like the worst crazy head mosquitoes come out for like three weeks. Maine in the summer is like heaven on earth. And then the one really, really nice part of Maine is kind of bugport, which the bushes have kind of claimed.

Right. They have like that giant compound there. But you stay there when you go. Right. We go to Portland. No, but you stay at the bush compound. I got to say, I've known CR for 15 years. This is ironically the 15 year anniversary

this month of our relationship. Grantland. and then launch in the ringer. Portland, Maine is the most CR place in America. Yeah. If he said tomorrow, I'm out, Phoebe and I are moving to Portland, Maine.

I'd be like, I totally get it. I would love to, if we could just knock out a few more rewatchables, I could summary Maine. You know what I mean? Because if we got ahead of enough, I could get a summer place there. Portland is like your place, man.

What about Ben Shapiro? Like, you would just leave him high and dry like that? Would you log in on Zoom? Me and Ben Shapiro breaking down backrooms. Has he weighed in on backcountry? I haven't seen. You know he does, like, movie takes.

Yeah, so I've seen, yeah. He had a lot of thoughts. I think about backrooms is... If we brought him on the rewatchables, what would happen? I think he'd have a great time. Yeah, I think honestly, that would probably be a big goal for him, is to just come in and be like...

Shapira? Yeah, I bet. The other BS? Oh, my God. Unfortunately, that would probably outperform the Spielberg. This movie was 86 minutes long. It's so beautiful.

Hey, Ben Shapiro, have you ever had a criteria organization? It's a better effect I have. 86 minutes, $20 million budget, made $66 million. And so it did make money. Roger Ebert, first time ever, I think, in 440 movies. A half star. I don't ever remember him going 0.5 stars. Did you happen to see the TV version of this?

Sure did. How was it? Gene like it. They were both very angry. Like honestly really, really pissed off. Yeah. And Gene, I think... It's like Tipper Gore late 80s level

just like infuriated by the concept. I agree. I think Ebert is like, his point of view is clouded by how upset the movie has made him. Siskel's point of view is really sharp where he's like, here is what is... He basically does picking nits for two minutes and does say some things that make you think

the movie is even worse than it actually is where he's just like, let's think about the Mr. Highway situation. So those kids when they drop the Mr. Highway are in full view. Also, there's clearly a news report and a huge investigation into this. And then there's no follow-up in the story. What happened? And it's also like Mr. Highway, pretty distinctive way of doing that. Right.

Yeah. So it's like the movie, because of the way that the script has clearly been torn apart, like it doesn't really hold up to the level of, you know, investigation that we're going to be doing here. It's part of the fun. But that's part of what makes it fun too. God, I felt the complete opposite. When I saw it in the theater,

I was like, this is great. You were just like, Henry's throwing a perfect game. It's like watching Greg Maddox. It was probably like a 2.30 start, 10 minutes of previews, and I was out by 405. I know. I was like, this is great. That is pleasant. Let's do it this way all the time. This movie could not have survived being 15 minutes longer.

Like, yeah, there is literally. I have some ideas for later. But part of what is so good about it is, it never blinks. It's just like, yeah, he's this evil. Yeah, they don't ease into it. It's the moment he takes. little mark out for a timeout in the town. Here's what Eber wrote.

Who in the world would want to see this movie? Watching the good son, I asked myself that question. Hoping that perhaps the next scene would contain the answer, although it never did. The movie is a creepy, unpleasant experience. Made all the worst because it stars children too young to understand the horrible things we see them doing. This is a very evil little boy.

the movie could have been called Henry Portrait of a Future Serial Killer. By the way? By the way, I would sign up for that right now. That's just a great Eber line. Somebody should actually just make Henry the Portrait of a Future Serial Killer. Have you seen that movie?

Probably not a real movie. I've told that story. I saw that one in the BU Theater for a Celtic game. It was me and seven other guys by themselves. Henry Portrait of Serial Killer. Six of them went on to be serial killers and then there's you.

All of a size of it. each other up halfway through the movie, like, I'm gonna keep an eye on that guy over there. Why, see if that big jacket on inside. It was like in the combat zone in the departed. It's just waving tiltoes in each other. We're gonna take a break

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Please play responsibly. Most rewatchable scene. I'll start with the treehouse scene into the rock-throwing scene into the well. Henry's kind of feeling them out a little bit, holding them in the tree house because Mark decides

to climb up and the hard way, hey, if I let you go, do you think you would fly? At that point, Mark maybe should have been like, huh? Yeah, but there's, yeah, reminded me of, like, being a kid and, like,

you know, again, unsupervised play, being up on, like, my friend's roof and being like, do you think you could jump to the other roof? Right. I bet you could. Yeah. It kind of, it slow walks you for the first, like, half a scene.

But then by the time, like, they're smoking a cigarette and, firing the arrow. That's at the well. You're like, okay. Well, Henry has a pack of smoke, so he would have won over CR immediately. Already gets the Sean Penn Award.

Yeah. Philosophies about death a little bit. What do you think happens? Seems like a decent hang. I think the worm turns during the scene when they're being chased by the Rottweiler. Yes.

Which is the next rewatchable scene. Nice little wide shot. And then Henry slams the door and then just goes eye to eye with the Rottweiler. Yeah. It's like, all right. Start sparking at it.

All right. This kid might not be playing with a full deck. Next thing I have is Henry kills a dog and they dump it into a well with the little nail gun thing. Is that well decorative, you think? Not a functioning water well? Yeah, like I hope not. Full the dog blood? Top five wells in a movie, creepy wells, silent rage.

I mean, the ring. The ring is number one. The ring is number one. The ring scared you off. You wouldn't even do the ring. I don't like the ring. It makes me uncomfortable. The ring is amazing.

Both versions, the original and the U.S.S. I saw it once, and I'm just like, that's one of those. I get unsettled. I don't like being unsettled with a horror movie. I completely disagree. It's my favorite thing. I'm like, I live for. I don't, like, I get really unsettled.

Like, I'll wake up. The ring in theaters, we were like, oh, God. This fucking sucks. Yeah. Amber Tamblin's so good. Hey, Mark, where's your sense of humor? Says that at one point. Yep. So that well, that dog's going to start smelling about, I'm going to say a weekend.

How deep down, though? I mean, you want to start talking about this? Like, how is Henry going back into the house smelling and Marlboroughs? Good note. Isn't Mom just like, and that's a great one because you could just be like, yeah, Mark wanted to smoke a cigarette. Well, how old were you when you had your first cigarette? First? 15.

15? That's late. But I didn't start smoking until 21. What about you? 24. What? Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. I never in a million years would have thought I would have had a cigarette. I mean, I was always like if you can get through high school. school, you'll be fine. And it was like, that's the exact opposite. It's like when cigarettes really hit you is when you get out of. Your parents smoke? They did, but not with me. They did, like, they stopped when I was bored. You make it sound like you guys all sat in the smoking porlor together. I was 23, not 24. Now, I don't think about it. 23. I blame Jim Grady. I was thinking about this the other day. My dad used to be like multi-packs a day. And then

when I came along and into like my earliest memories are just my dad getting in fights at restaurants about the smoking, non-smoking sections and whether they were too close. And it is kind of crazy that we were just like, there's this invisible line where you can smoke and not smoke. Airplanes, they had that, yeah. As if cigarette smoke didn't roll across. Amtrak was great, too, the smoking, non-smoking cars,

but you had to walk through the smoking car to go to the cafe. You just get like instant monk cancer right away. You only feel that now in Vegas. It's the only time you feel that again. Henry causes a 10-car accident with Mr. Highway. Yeah. once you realize you can do anything, you're free.

He's not wrong. Yeah, he's cooking there. Henry's throwing some advice around. This scene's awesome. I think this is probably my most rewatchable. This is deranged, terrified, dmented fucking crazy behavior.

It's a really well-shot accident. Great truck flip. Yeah, I feel like that they almost like had to do the news report later to be like, don't worry, like he didn't just kill 13 people. Right.

A miracle, but nobody was injured. Is this a better movie if like he did kill like two people and they're looking for the people who did this. I think they need to parcel out his chaos a little bit. So if he's the cause of a mass murder event, that would probably make it a little tough.

I think they handle this correctly. I agree with you. I have Elijah Wood talking to the therapist on the bench about what makes people evil. She says, I don't believe in evil. And he's like, you should. Good Elijah Wood. the skating scene's awesome

yeah yeah Connie on the ice she's underneath there for a minute yeah I'm surprised that that worked out

yeah I don't know if she's going to college and like the Camden Maine EMTs are able to revive her do you don't think she's

going to college I don't think it's the shot of her under the water I'm like I think she has a special instructor for yeah because she's brained

or because she's under there a little too long okay yeah the brain's got scrambled It's fucking cold. Really cold.

Hey, Mark, don't fuck with me. That's number one. She's my mother now. And then, hey, Mark, don't fuck with me. This is the one thing I will say, well, I'll sleep for what stage you. Don't sleep on how incredible it was to hear McCulley Colkin say, hey, Mark, don't fuck with me. Yeah. It was like, oh.

The mom finds the duck in Henry's shed. Yeah, among other weird disturbing things. Henry, you knew I was looking for this? What do you have the duck for, mom? Yeah. I find it hard to believe she didn't. going to the shed a little more often here, especially after Richard's

mysterious death. Got a lot of questions about this family. He doesn't even hide the crossbow. That's just out in the shed. Yeah, but that is also like one of those things. I would be more disturbed by the fact that it was homemade. You know what I mean?

It makes no sense. Well, they should have had it that his dad made it or something. He hunts with it. It's just there. There's a whole thing surrounding this movie, which is that the plot of the movie is that Mark's mother dies. His father has to go on a big.

business trip. And so he gets dropped off all the way across the country from Arizona to Maine to stay with his family. Couldn't have been just thrown on a plane for some reason. No. So he stays with them. Now, this family that he's staying with, staying with is recovering, is grieving

the death of their very young son. Now, naturally, first of all, this is not the right family to send this child to. There's got to be somebody else who can do this. But they're clearly still having a lot of emotional problems to the point where Henry is doing crazy shit right in front of their face, and they're all so fucked up that they can't acknowledge.

It's Friday night, let's go out to dinner. They're performing normal. We've had this plane for weeks. No babysitter. I've seen people say, like, it's very obvious that this marriage is on the rocks, like, between these two people. But the movie is kind of like lightly coasting over, but you can explain a lot of the nitpicking stuff by just being like,

these people are not locked in on what's going on around because of what's been going on in the background of their lives. Did you kill Richard? What if I did? Yeah. And then the big ending. Mom, I need your other hand. Got to throw one more in there, which is Mark pulling a shiv on Henry.

Oh, yeah. I just be like, oh, yeah. It's going to be a gusher. He's like, yeah, it'll sail that. He's like basically taught him to do it. I like when the dad's like, Mark, what are you doing? I'd be like, you're fucking out of here, man. Here's your suitcase.

That same scene. The suitcase. Hit the bricks. When he's locked in the room and then the camera, they do the like overhead tracking shot, following Elijah Wood locked in the office. I'm like, what? This fucking Scorsese movie all a sudden for five minutes. It's crazy.

It's really well directed. Kit Colkin was off the set that day. They're just like, now I can do it. Hitchcock's here. We talked about how great the ending is. Ebert wrote, everything leads up to a cliffhanging climax that somehow manages to be unconvincing contrived.

meretricious and manipulative all at once. I don't know when I've disliked the ending of a movie more. I feel like that's a little strong. Yeah. Honestly, fuck you, Raj. Settle down. The second one of these from hell movies that we've done, I can't remember how single white female ends.

You have to tell me just like instantaneously after the like, basically like the most important thing happens, there's like one beat of a coda and you're out. Oh, single white female's opposite. Same with hand that rocks the cradle. As I'm saying. In the redredredals, She's just like, goes up to Ernie Hudson.

90 seconds later credits. Single white female goes on for an extra 10, 15 minutes, unfortunately. So what do you have for most rewatchable? I like Connie on the ice. I love the set piece of it. It's so malevolent. It's so knowing of like this would be the most, and he's also drowning another sibling.

So, yeah. I'll just add one more, which is Henry showing up at Mark's therapists. Oh, yeah. Which is the incredible gaslighting moment. my favorite scene is probably Mr. Highway. Yeah. Most 1993 thing about this movie, CR.

Mark playing Game Boy instead of enjoying the Monument Valley. I had if you missed a phone call, you couldn't talk to your dad who's in Tokyo for several days. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he's just not speaking to his father? Key landline scenes. Yeah, there's no email, no text. And if you were out of the house when he called, that's it.

You didn't get to talk to him. the dad's old Apple computer is pretty great. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got the old school big box, like just a giant contraption. But I had a, the car accident, none of the cars having cameras on them capturing these two psychos. And they're not being in the highway cameras. Yeah.

That's right. Just no, nothing knows. Just imagine what we could have gotten away in the early 90s. The cops probably showed up and they were like, someone threw a doll on the highway. I guess we just will never know. Like cold case. The Floyd Gondale, butter in my ass and lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. I have, we haven't talked about her yet, McCauley Culkin's Nepo's sister.

I'm sure she's a nice person in real life and probably having a great adult life and maybe a great mom. One of the worst kid actress's performances of all time. Just an absolute abomination can only be. only say her lines in like this monotone voice just has a blank face, doesn't seem scared. I don't know what she's going for. Do you think that's because she's in a movie with like the Dylan Harper and Steph Castle of child acting?

I think that's part of it. The other part is Kit Culkin's like, and she's going to be in the movie too is the sister, fire whoever else you had. She did not pursue an acting career. I think this is her last movie. This was her only speaking part ever. She was in this and Home Alone, right? Yeah.

Yeah. But I don't know if she had a speaking thing in that. I really enjoy when somebody has enough power that they can just shoehorn like their sister into like not a small part. It's like the fifth biggest part of the movie. She was multiple key scenes. Sure.

And I don't know. Just steps on everybody. What do you have for this? I love in a movie when everyone knows something is wrong and especially wrong with a kid and they just will not admit it. And there's a great scene between

Ellen Burson and is it Lee J. Cobb and the Exorcist where they're sitting at the dinner or is it George C. Scott, I can't remember who. Oh, Lee J. C. C. Cops. And they're sitting at the dinner table. And that's the moment where it's just like, this is fucked up. There's something like evil happening here. Yeah. And the movie is like finally letting you accept that Pizzuzoo is real. Yeah. And this movie takes a really long-ass time to get to that moment. So the whole time you're sitting there and you're just like, how does Wendy Cruson not see that her son is a murderous sociopath for 90 minutes. And finally it gets you to that point.

But that's like, that's movie bullshit. It's like great movie bullshit when no one will come out and just be like, there's something wrong with this kid. And that's one of the from hell staples when they're just ignoring the signs for scene after scene after scene and then finally admitting it. I'd probably go America's Sweet Heartbreak in Bed. So having Kevin McAllister say, don't fuck with me is pretty amazing. one thing on Quinn Culkin

in that New York Times piece the studio executive was talking about how she got shoehorned into it it was like everything else with the father it starts out as a request and then as it turns out it's a demand that's a problem with the guy it's like Ace Bailey

yeah oh this is fun the Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate along with the Denna Thieves Benny Hanna Award for scene stealing location the house It's got to be the House of Rock Harbor.

Can I also throw out David Morse's Desert, Desert, like... Yeah, where the fuck are we? Yeah, he's like living in... Is that where you two did the Red Rocks? Like Tucson? Yeah, it's outside of Sundell's... Is he Colorado?

He's like, I bought this place because YouTube's playing. Also, they drive cross-country from clearly Arizona, Colorado, Utah, somewhere in that car that has no top, that old school was like a Ford Bronco or something. Yeah. He puts the plastic covering on the G-B. When they get the East Coast.

Pretty confusing. But great house, great location. I still have the sleeping with the enemy house slightly above it, though. That one's also on the shore. It's like at the end of Nantucket or Martha's been in the river that was. What's age the best?

What do you got, Sean? Well, one of the reasons why I think Kit Culkin was so perceptive is McColley-Colney-Colkin does have a kind of eerie quality as a young boy. had a precociousness and a kind of like living doll quality that you could say is like, seems kind of evil. I think even in home alone, you could read Kevin as being especially malevolent.

Yes. And he could play very sympathetic and very sweet. He's so sweet as Thomas Jay and my girl. And when he dies, it's so devastating because he's so sweet. But he could play like, you know, in the black or white video, the Michael Jackson video, he's like a rambunctious kid, you know, rocking out in his. bedroom. And the movie is like his father obviously identified

something about him that made him very well suited to this part. So even though it may not have been the best thing for him personally, his dad was right. Like it aged well to put him in this part. So is your hottest take it to be Kit Culkin? Should he have been running Disney? No, I didn't. I didn't say that. Why didn't he get

Pixar? I had incredible evil little kid performance by Culkin, I think, his age. So piggybacking on Sean's thing. We talked about the no special effects and the overhead shots and some of the shooting. But my favorite is this is a plot device for movies like this when there's been sadly a child that has died or something and they don't touch the bedroom. And then they'll throw in the early scene where the new character is like,

what's in here? And it's all pristine. And then later we find out like it becomes this plot device. It always works. It's a home run 10 out of 10 times. Yeah. It always like, it's like a scab that's sitting there for the movie, and then you know it's going to get picked off.

Yeah. It gets picked off in this movie. Age is the best. I had causing a ruckus in a semi-abandoned building with your little friends. Oh, just breaking shit? Yeah, like that whole scene where they're in that empty warehouse or that mechanics place and just throwing rocks through the windows. That was a big, you know, being six years old and being like, we're not supposed to be here.

No repercussions. Yeah. And then kind of really. like when Culkin does taps for the dog. This is a great fucked up little character beat. I like what he misses the cat too, and Elijah Wood's excited that he missed the cat,

and Culkin's like, I got to tinker with that. That was my Eisenberg. Sites not right yet. Yeah, that's not right. That was my Eisenberg was like, yeah, sights's not right yet. Craig, you love this movie.

Can't wait for Christ's here. Willing it into existence. Yeah, I used to fuck guys like you imprison a word for craziest quote is clearly. Don't fuck with me. We call it, Cole. It's saying that. What do you have for Great Check Order, OCR?

Henry, looking down the rope at Mark, or did you have, like, holding the two kids? I have a couple, that's a fun moment. I had Henry approaching Connie in the hospital bed, and he's lit like Michael Corleone and Godfather Part 2.

Oh, yeah. Or it's just like the demon has taken over. There's a ton of stuff in the movie where it's just like, it's incredibly well made for such a piece of trash. It's so funny. Chess Rockwell, Brock Laners. I didn't really feel like there was a good character

in this one. It's disappointed. Pretty generic. The Big Gahuna Burger were for best use of food and drink has the fridge freak out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, did he poison the food?

Who knows? There's another thing I didn't say for age of the best. Elijah Wood's character and his performance, it allows for like the 6% belief that he's also crazy, that he's also grieving his mother dying, and that he's losing it a little bit, you know? Well, that's always one of the great devices with these movies is that it feels like the person that we know is the good guy. The perception is that they might actually be the bad person and when they can play with that, that always works.

That's one of the best things about Memento. Memento is a movie that really messes with that point of view in terms of like, is this person gaslighting or being gas lit? And it kind of gets you right up to the edge of that in this movie, but you still, you've seen Henry do too many evil things to really ever get over the line. Titanic's like that too Yeah sure well as we know Rose was evil People think Belly Zane was the bad person That movie and it's clearly

He's actually good guy yeah What do you have for a flexeer For my flex Well I mentioned Sean Penn I brought my own pack for For when Culkin's smoking at the well But I had the Do you feel like that

It seemed like he might have blown a dart before that I think so and especially when they're like They give you cancer He's like who cares you're gonna die anyway Pretty good The Rick Chichettee Guard Meat Award for most memorable death by a security guard

or other bystander whom the movie treats is inconsequential but probably had a spouse and a kids who love them. The motorists, they go to great pains to say that nobody died in that car accident, but I'm pretty sure someone walked away with really bad whiplash. Yeah.

And their trauma is completely ignored. How did that truck driver survive? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, that guy's definitely going on the chiropractor for like three years. Butch's Girlfriend Award for Week of the film. So we mentioned this. earlier, but all the unsafe things

in this extended neighborhood, including a terrifying treehouse that doesn't have an actual ladder where who is that guy who did the Netflix climb? At one point, at one point you're going backwards to climb up the top of it. Like, it's fucking crazy. I don't know

where the mom was on that. Like, hey, Henry, how do you get up on that tree house? Do you have a treehouse growing up? No. Did you? No. But we had treehouse-esque things. You know, like, like what? Roof decks that weren't really connected to roofs. really well, you know. A big roof episode for you.

Yeah. All timer. There's the terrifying deep well that you could have just fallen to your death at any point. The cliff's edge. There's no, there's no like cover on the well, anything. The railroad tracks,

you mentioned, the highway that you could just fall off the bridge. The, just this walking bridge that has a random killer pit bull that doesn't have a leash, that could just mall anybody. And then all the cliffs. Like at one point, the kids are just lying on the cliffs peeking over like this.

100 foot fall to their death. So they drop little Mark off, who's just lost his mom. And at no point to the like, hey, just so Mark knows, like, you know, we're really out here in the middle of nowhere. Like, there's some shit.

Like, you could really get in trouble here. No, just put them out there. It's really a miracle that we're alive. It's not a very strong advertisement for Maine. It is like this entire state is a death trap. It's how it fails. There's not like a safe part in the movie. Even like the shed has multiple things.

But that's how Philadelphia felt. Like, it was like, go into the park, but don't go down that path because they're supposed to be like a creepy guy down there. Yeah. But it would still be like, but feel free to go into the park otherwise. It's very, another, like, very smart thing about the movie is moving from Arizona to Maine, where Arizona is just the kind of like wide open nothingness of the desert. It's like, it's actually not dangerous to be in a place.

You're always in full view. And in Maine, it's like no matter where you go, you're about to fall down a cliff. Yeah. What'd you have for weak link? The adults. I mean, both in terms of their behavior, but also in terms of like, I feel like we were one really cool actor short of that in that deck.

You know, could have been, could have been a good, I think Houston's good, but it would have been good if we had the original actor cast for it. It feels like that's where they saved money and the, that was their inefficiency. Kit was like, I'll take some of that. I'll take that Steenbergin money. Yeah, they're like, maybe we can cut money with the parents

and we'll just give more to Culkin. Yeah, Daniel Hugh Kelly, the dad is like, if that was just James Remar, isn't this a better movie? He's a TV actor. And I think he was in Cujo, was the other movie, I remember. He's a big stage actor. I was reading about him. I don't want to disparage him. It's just like, he's just not really up to the moment.

Now, I can't not see James Remar in this movie, though. Well, why wasn't David Morse the dad? Did they just have him for two weeks? I don't know. It's right there. That's the perfect dad. It's just pre-David Morse being David Morse. But he was on St. Elsewhere.

Was he? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. he's he had a run and inside moves that Sierra refused to see did this movie need a better title I'm bringing that category back I had Susan's choice

oh like a soapy's choice all back I mean even giving away the the climax of the movie I mean Ebert nails it right with Henry Portrait of a future serial killer I did every mother's son there's like

something about who is really who is the true mom to Mark and who's the true mom to Henry in this movie, you know? I like that. Good, I can see that in the Netflix thumbnail. Yeah. I have the winner. Bad brother.

Very good. Oh, yeah. Very good. Just a better title. Well, the Netflix title, you know what it would be. It would be, whoops, I killed my brother. Just kidding. Now I'm going to kill my new brother.

It's me, Henry, the guy who killed my daughter, my sister. I don't really understand why it's called The Good Son. Well, because who's the Good Son, right? I think it's riffing on Cane and Abel. the biblical allegory. Bad brother does a better job, I think. Shout out to bad brother. What's age is the worst.

As you know, one of my passions in life is random soccer scenes being thrown into movies. Yeah. So we have Elijah Wood in the beginning. In classic Hollywood, Elijah Wood's never really played soccer before. A lot of close-ups. We see there's some sort of,

he's old enough, he's 10, like a 10-year-old soccer game's going to be a fairly high level. It's just a lot of kids clustered. They're barely high level. Well, it's going to be more spread out. This is more like five-year-old soccer. Yeah. Why did they just cast Ronaldino, you know?

I know. It looks like an AYSO under five, like first time everyone's played, and he somehow gets a goal in traffic. And he's like, yeah. People wonder why America has no chance at the World Cup. Watch the good son. It's fucking bullshit. This is what our 10-year-olds are doing.

Got to have structure. And they all do the same stuff. Our character is always going to score the goal. It's always going to be shot way too. close up, so we don't have to see anybody running or any sort of setup of a goal or anything, and they're just trying to get through it. And it's a passion of mine,

CR. Did you do any telestration on this sequence when you watch? There's nothing to tell us to it. It's just 22 kids just running around in circles. There's no 10-year-old soccer game that would have that kind of spacing. I'm sorry. Unless it's like a pickup game at recess or something. This is pre-Pep Gordiola and our understanding of positional awareness.

But I get what you're saying, though. Yeah. Thanks. The music's pretty bad. It's Elmer Bernstein. This is the second... It's just corny. Big Elmer movie we've done because he did Animal House.

It's the same problem with Animal House where it's like, did Elmer Bernstein watch this movie? No, he's like, hey, I created some tracks. First of all, just watch your mouth. No, I'm just saying... Second of all, this is just crazy. Third of all, you also just did Ghostbusters,

which is one of the great movie scores of all time. Not everyone... Not everyone can hit a home ride every time out. I was talking about Animal House. Guys, he did the score for the Ten Commandments, the Sweet Smell of Success, HUD to Kill a Mockingbird, the great escape, my left foot.

One of the great film composers of all time. We're not saying he's not great. Do you think the music matches the movie? You're a lot of mail-in every once in a while. I thought it was good. I liked it. Are you going to go 52 for 52 in your newsletter? Yeah, when you drive home today or you listen to it?

I feel like I'm three for seven right now. The credit titles weren't great. The music and the credit titles feel very like early 90s to me. It's like baby boom music. Yeah. You guys are just fucking assholes. I don't know. What the hell?

I think Elmer. just gave them, he's like, it's a good son with McCauley Coulke and this movie's gonna suck here. I'll send you some A-track. You know what it would have been good. Okay, so they don't do their credits. They have Mark's mom

dies funeral. They hit the road. ACDC Thundersrunk. Yeah, Billy Squires the stroke. Dendastruck. Or go to some 93 hip-hop. All of a sudden they're playing Dre and Snoop. That would be good. Yeah.

You're moving from the West Coast. I like native tongues. I have one more which age the worst. If you close this deal in Tokyo, you and Mark are set. Yeah. What's going on here?

So this definitely just feels like sex tourism to me. I have no idea what's going on. But like the idea that this is like almost like the extension of like the gung ho era of like people's relationship to Japan in the 80s and 90s being like

you just, I can't break this date. They won't understand that my wife just died. The fear that they were going to take over the economy. of America. Yeah. So I imagine he is a small business owner, his own boss,

and like there's nobody he can voice this off onto. But everyone in Japan's like, we hear that your wife just died, but the deal evaporates tomorrow and this should come out. I just, I don't know. And if you're going to Japan,

you should be a little bit more conversant in Nintendo's products. He's like, oh, you're done bombing the universe over there, big guy. It's like, how about this idea? Bring the fucking kid with you.

It's his winter break or whatever it was. Bring him to Tokyo Get him a hotel room What is the gung-ho era? The film gung-ho Where a Japanese car company Takes over an American car factory

And it was just like There was a movie or two Made about like the relationship between Michael Keaton movie The two cultures Yeah Good movie I think probably has not

There's probably some pieces That have not age great I haven't seen in a while But my guy Michael Keaton said Did you fire that up recently You got on 4K? I did I watched during the pandemic Yeah

Yeah We did a Michael Keaton Hall of Fame It wasn't my favorite The thing that we watched What else do you have for what stage the worst? When Henry does it, when Henry says, tells Mark that his mom is maggot food, I feel like at any age, Henry's taking a fucking...

Right, you're fighting. Here out. Like, Mark's kicking Henry out of that tree house. And Mark's just like, no, she's not. I'm like, that's pretty deep cut. That's a bench colonial bra. We've obviously just addressed David Morris, least involved parent of the 20th century.

And the ending, the very ending, where, like, you basically get Mark's, you're like, I wonder if she would make the same choice again. And there's no accountability for Davenport, how to Connie and Wallace react. You know, there's no, I just wanted, like, one extra minute. Yeah, I put that in Zwant, A.O. where I'm like, why are we up focusing on Mark now?

Like, this is now about Wendy Crewsson's character. Yeah. Like, killed her son after losing her other son. And does, like, law enforcement come through and be like, gosh, turns out there was a huge crime wave that this kid Henry was responsible for. We missed it. I would have added one extra scene, one more soccer game.

Okay. Another goal for Mark cuts to Wendy Cruceson with Mr. Highway, and they're celebrating. Mr. Highland's like, she throws Mr. Highway at the field and that's the end of the game. Hans Gruber scale for villain ranking? Henry's like a 9th. Yeah, I had an 8.

Yeah. He's pretty mean. In this rating, Hans is 10? Nobody can be higher than Hans. Okay. Okay. That's why it's the Hans Grubber scale. I disagree with you.

Who's higher than Hans? Well, I just think Hans had his motivations. Like, Hans was, you know, first of all, a committed leftist. And second of all, was really just interested in getting his hands on Barabonds. There's a lot more crazy people out there. Okay. Where does... He wanted the Crimson Dawn out of prison.

Like, where does Lu Seifer figure into this scale? You know, like... It's a good question. I feel like we could get a little bit more evil than Hans. This was created... during a Kyle Brandt podcast when we were talking about how bad powers booth was

in sudden death. And I think we gave him like a one and a half out of ten and at some point it became the Hans Gruber skill. I don't know if we had put a ton of thought into whether it should be after Hans Gruber.

Look, I'm willing to open up to the... Maybe I have a Gruber apologist. I don't know. It's hard to apply this category to a film that has like explorations of sociopathie or evil. Like Payman is a 10 out of 10.

Pizzuzoo is a 10. Well, once he is possessions. the demon, the demon itself. Right? Here comes the telephone. Open! A lot of talk about Apex Mountain for this pod, but

you... Yeah, people obviously didn't see hereditary. Ruko doing hereditary is probably the hardest I've ever laughed on this show. Rough Lohan and Rubinic Partridge Overacting Award. This goes to Quinn Culkin for the underacting. Can we do underacting for this or no? Sure. Okay.

Elijah dials it up a couple of times. Yeah, when he's throwing all the food down the disposal. Yeah. Oh, true. That's good. That's a good answer for this. All right, we'll take one more break, and then we got Sean's Flex. Staples Preferred Business Membership, built for busy business owners, because you've got bigger things to think about.

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And this movie knows what it's doing when it makes that reference to the Shining. Oh. Do we have to retire the category after Spielberg melted your vertebrae? It's up to you. You tell me. No, I like this category. I mean, I don't know if I'll ever have a better moment in my life. Do you think he will watch Jaws too? He said he saw it 20 years later.

Oh, he did? Okay. We went to Badford a couple times. I snuck it under my breath a second time. You did. Yeah. I really wanted to make it clear to him that I was okay with the movie for some reason. My big regret was that I couldn't pitch him on why it was an interesting movie. because you could see he just didn't want to hear it but the whole thing about it

being like a slasher movie but with a shark that was a cool thing that happened I wonder if for him he's like that would be like me telling you why Hyphitz's version of the big picture really worked for me right

he's like yeah no fucking way possibly yeah possibly yeah oh shit Hyphitz is gonna send a pitch now have an idea for a spin-off literally every other episode of the Ringer Fantasy football show is Craig asking Danny if he's seen a movie? And he's like, I haven't seen that.

That would be the podcast. Him just seeing every movie. Hyvitz? Yeah. Yeah, it's alarming how little, very popular movies from the 90s and 2000s he has seen. He didn't know who no doubt was.

What, like, he's such a unique person. He's like, Gwen Stefani was in no doubt? How did he even get hired in the first place? I think the first 20 years of his life, he just was watching football and basketball. Grimbing tape. Yeah. Yeah.

And that was it. Oh, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford Hotest Take Award. I'll start us off. Okay. I think this is McCauley Culkin's greatest performance. And I don't even know if it's a hottest take. I don't know how hot that is.

I genuinely believe it. I think it should be mentioned first. I don't care how popular Kevin McAllister was. I know how Big Home Alone was as a franchise. I think this is a much harder role. And he's really good as an evil kid. I don't, like this movie, it's one of those, we talk about this sometimes in this.

show. Sometimes movies just shouldn't work. This movie literally needs two of the best kid actors, probably the last 50 years, to both be in the same movie with the director who totally gets it. But I think this movie probably had a 10% shit's of working. Or else it's like that movie I watch, Mikey with Brian Bonsal. Then it just goes in that direction and it becomes that. It becomes pure camp. Yeah. My hottest take is related to what you're saying, because I feel similarly, and that it's that this movie should have been an even big, deal because Elijah Wood and Macaulay Culkin should have both been coming off of Academy Awards for supporting actor.

Culkin for his performance is Thomas Jay and My Girl and Elijah Wood for his performance in, oh shoot, I forgot what the movie was that Elijah was in right before this. The war? No, no, no, no. Radio Flyer. Oh, yeah, yeah. And McCauley should have beaten Jack Palance for City Slickers and Elijah should have beaten Gene Hackman and Unforgiven.

That's not actually your take. That's like you're just pushing that out. It's my hottest take. It's my hottest take. Can you imagine Elijah Wood accepting an Oscar and just be like, it's just great to be nominated with these other performers, Hackman. I've looked up to you for all eight years of my life. You've seen Radio Flyer.

You know what a success that is? Another Richard Donner film, maybe you haven't seen. That would have been the worst moment of Gene Hackman's life until the TikTok craze of Gene Hackman's Secret Tunnel started. Somehow don't think that's bothering Gene Hackman anymore. But yeah. It's somewhere in the afterlife he's bothered. He's like, really?

95 years, a million great movies. The ghost afterlife were either darker light. These fucking weirdo TikTok people who think this. Do you have any secret tunnels? Do you know how hard it would be to just make a secret tunnel? Yeah. Didn't you see euphoria? Zoning here is impossible.

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Take forever. But that is what a guy with the secret tunnel would say. Yeah. You know how hard it would be to do this? How crazy would I have to be to have a series of tunnels? Did you have a hottest take-in?

I have two. One is at the end of the day, I feel like Susan chooses blood over truth. And she saves Henry over Mark. And she's just like, it is what it is. That's my son. I'm not losing another one. And we're just going to have to figure this out. And honestly, the getaway plan is right there. You could probably blame a lot of it on Mark,

distraught, disturbed. He did Mr. Highway. He's the one who threatened, Korean or, you know, like, you could get away with a lot of, like... That was the single-wife female plot where she was trying to basically set up Bridget Fonda for all of it. I think it's not even a hot take. I think it's actually the right take. So you would save... It's not defensible to save Mark.

Yeah. It's just, as a parent, it's just not. I mean, Henry did try to kill her three minutes earlier. He did. But at least, like, institutionalized the kid. Yeah, she could be like he was having, like, he was disturbed. Because it's really only one moment in her eyes that he broke. She hasn't seen any of the other stuff.

She has a feeling he killed Richard. Yeah. She kind of admits it. But she makes a very quick conclusion like 30 seconds after he does this one thing to let him die. As a parent, you watch your kids do things and you're just like, I wish they didn't do that just now, but you're like, eh, you know, willing to forgive it or my child.

Well, you think about it. Steals the duck. Says, so what if I did when she asks if he killed Richard and then tries to push her off a cliff and does? And she almost falls to her death. I feel like the better pitch, the better question here, is not whether you would save me or Chris, but whether you would save Ben after revealing

that he's killed someone or Chris. If you're holding Ben Simmons and you're holding C.R. Murderer Ben Simmons or me. I'd probably at that point, remember, I thought Chris got a little chirpy after the Eagles Pat Super Bowl. I'd probably let him go. Just got a split second of chirpiness.

Some settled down juices I throw you into the ocean. Just a little settled down juice. There's the most settled down juice of the world. My friend. No more Eagle Super Bowls for you. My other hottest take was that if Henry's parents were just a little bit more engaged,

they would have seen that this is an NHL pest and enforcer in the making. And you could have channeled all that aggression. Good skater. Youth hockey. Yeah. That guy's on the B's by 95. Yeah.

Great take. Yeah, he's on the third line. I was like, Wallace, if he had an ounce of a knife as a scout, he would have seen this kid's accurate. That guy's skate speed was incredible. He was a great skater. It seemed like it was Culkin, too, doing the skating. He has slingshots that.

Poor kids fucking cooped up. Harness it. He's got cabin fever. Yeah. He's got nothing to do all day. Didn't love the throwing motion from him. No, but he looks like McDavid out there. Like, let's fucking tap into it.

I agree. Casting what ifs. This kid, he plays in sports. He's doing it every day. Casting what ifs, they almost made this in 1988 with Michael Kleeseck as Henry. I don't know who that is. And then Jesse Bradford, right? With Mary Steenbergen as the mom.

And Michael Lehman, who directed Heather's, the director. Do you think a Michael Lehman directed version of this has more tongue-in-cheek black comedy? For sure, just based on all the movies that he's made in his career. But would that have made sense for this? I mean, I don't know if totally it would have worked. Obviously, Kit was like... Well, Kit Koeckin dumped his ass, yeah.

Kit Kock was like, you're out. My son's the hottest star in the world for nine more months. out. He did. The LeVar Ball of Hollywood Dad. Yeah, no question. Best that guy word. I don't think Daniel who Kelly is a that guy. Why not? Except for Craig's generation.

Well, who is he then? Well, I think the therapist is that guy. Okay. I know I've seen that lady. I have no idea what her name is. She was on a soap for a while. I think she's done a lot of stage. Wendy Cruson is not a that guy? Wendy Cruzen is probably the mom from the good son. So that would make her that guy, which I think would qualify her.

This category is becoming needless Santa Claus. or mom from Santa Claus. But nobody knows that... Most people don't know what her name is. Yeah, that's probably the best answer. Didn't this used to be the Joey Pants That Guy Award? Yeah. I feel like we're getting away from the original text.

Oh. And you can't be... Some notes from CR. Well, you can't... Sounds like someone's getting dropped off the clip. No, I'm just saying you can't be that guy in the movie that you're in. You can't be in Wendy Cruzen is obviously from the Good Son. Yeah.

It's Daniel Hugh Kelly. It was from Hardcastle and McCormick. Is that true? Yeah. This is big TV. Terry's in like 67 episodes. But he wasn't in 10 Speed and Thunderfoot? What was that one?

Remember that one? 10 speed and brown shoe? All the TV shows when you look up these people's credits, they're just like, did Tarantino make this up? Or is this real? There was some show that was, they did the Instagram video of the opening credits from 1977 called Blanski's Beauties. It was a happy day spin off.

And it was set in Vegas. and none of us I was on with people my age like Jimmy and our friend Rob Mills and we were all like Does anyone remember the show? It was 13 episodes of it I was like,

how did I not know about the show was strippers in Vegas Like a comedy. Scott Bayo was in it, Paparito was in it But yeah, the point is shows just came and went We never knew what was going on.

Yeah, it's so easy to make them up too, right? It's just like, two names. Jiminy McCorkle, Ph.D. He's a rap, Scallion professor at a New England University. See, this would be a good use of AI. Yeah. Well, no.

No, fake trailers from the 70s and 8 is you have to decide whether they are a real show or not. I'll get cracking on Jiminy McCorkle. Do you know about SuperTrain? AI is just making too many cooks. That's what it is. That's what too many cooks did. Super Train was this big NBC show

in the late 70s. Fred Silverman went to NBC from ABC. Big executive. This was his big expensive show, Super Train. And it was basically loveboat on a train. and they would just show these wide shots of this train going fast, and then it would be like, starring, Vic Tayback.

And it was an all-time legendary TV bomb. I don't know any of the names that you just mentioned. Then they remade it 30 years later, a snowpiercer. Right. Then they decided this is much better as a futuristic horror show. Dan Waiters was tough. The Pitbull? I got Morse.

I chose cinematographer John Lindley. Oh, wow. I like it. Huge moment for him. went on to shoot movies for like Nora Ephron. Not really the showiest cinematographer in movie history, but five or six times watching this 82-minute movie, I was like, damn.

Also, it's kind of responsible for that early 90s look, I guess. Recast and couch director of City. We mentioned Mary Steenbergin. Let's go for the big guns here. This is a Michelle Fifer movie. Like, this would have been the fucking perfect Michelle Fifer movie. Young grieving widow. This is two years before Dangerous Mind.

It's like four years after Fabulous Baker Boy is realistic that she would have a 10-year-old son. I think she would have classic Michelle Fyfer faces of being upset, like just like looking on the cliff. Proto what lies beneath vibe to it. And even what's the thing she's in now with Kurt Russell? Where she's just like having a glass of wine looking out sadly. Like she's nobody's better. Yeah. Yeah.

A little bit of a like what is this smoke show doing in Rock Harbor, Maine married to this? You'd have to upgrade. No makeup for her. You'd have to upgrade Wallace, too. If that's the case, then you need to get Sam Shepard as Wallace. This sounds like a great movie. We get Hanks.

Yeah, we'll upgrade Morse from Hanks. Hanks and Fifer. Let's go. Yeah, sure, why not? We should just do crews at 25 as Mark. Can you imagine Kit Colkin on the set with Morse? It's like with Sam Shepard, Michelle Pfeiffer.com.

It's like, go back to your fucking trailer, okay? We're lighting my son. Have a snack. What do you have for flex? We might need a kick Colkin award. I don't know if that's right. I was all bummed because I thought my Henry should have played hockey. I had that.

I'm going to go with the OK motherfucker award for the exact moment when this movie went up a notch. When Connie is drowning and Henry is just kind of limply holding his hand out. Yeah. And for a second, you're like, oh, okay, he wanted her to get in the water, but he's going to save her. And the hand is just out of reach. kind of a special. No, it's amazing because it's like, if you were a witness to that, you'd be like, he tried to save him. Yeah. Yeah. It's a special kind of dimension. He's just kind of like. Liz got up and like went to the bathroom. She's like, I can't,

what's this? This is wicked. Only thing that would have been worse is if they let Connie die in the movie. That would have been, that would have been truly like the restrictor played is off. I was like, there's no way they're killing anyone else. The daughter's definitely not going to die. And then when she sinks down and goes under the ice, I was like, holy fuck, are they going to kill Connie? Yeah. That would have been deeply malevolent. could argue it would have been a better movie

could argue it is this month actually sick fuck Bill Simmons I have to say it It's like they go 90% there but not all the way Yeah Half Fisnerner Research

The cigarettes they smoked Was a tube filled with dried parsley And lettuce leaves I don't really get that I think that's bullshit I think they were ripping darts Yeah It's early 90s

It's Marlborough country They filmed the cliff scene at Palisade Head, Minnesota, and used tugboats to make the the water seem choppy like they were in Maine. They were dangled off the cliff secured by a safety crane and cable.

They also constructed a fake cliff to make it easier to shoot the hanging stuff, stunt coordinator, the whole thing. After discussions with Culkin and his parents, he agreed to do a 30-foot fall on a cable on the actual cliff, but wanted one thing in return for this act of bravery, a BB gun.

This is actually in the research. That's very Henry. She heads of Henry, yeah. Also, he got like $5 million for this movie. Get your own fucking beef gun. Just giving the BB gun anyway. Sounds like Jesus Christ. They filmed some stuff in Beverly, Massachusetts,

Manchester by the Sea, blah, blah, blah. And then you mentioned there's a tie-in novel? Never know what the tie-in novels? The novelization. Yeah. Yeah, I never know what to make of those. Some of them are good. they make Henry a sociopath

where it's just like they dive into like he just can't feel anything basically. McCauley Calk and Elijah Wood, very close friends to this day. Cool. That's great. Yeah. I would get pretty freaked out if I saw the two

with them together. And then you mentioned you mentioned the UK thing when it finally was released in the UK in 1995 is a video release two years later. They edited out everything that happens with Mr. Highway.

he's basically on the bridge and as you see you don't see anything. I think that the UK had moved on to Oasis by then. They're like, this doesn't really matter. The idea of being okay to murder a dog but not okay to drop a, you know,

a scarecrow on the stream of the copycat thing. That happened, remember that movie, the program? Which we've done in the rewatchables. Kids laying down on the street. Laying down the street became. That was the thing in my high school.

That was the thing in my high school. Yeah. Apex Mountain. Culkin, it's probably home alone too. I think this period, though, right? This period. He's on Apex Mountain for a couple years here.

I wrote his, it's his Apex for Bankability, that he could get this movie to $60 million just by seeming evil in the trailer that you described. Yeah. Do you think Spielberg understood what Apex Mountain was? I don't think I do. Okay. I felt like he was, seemed like he understood. I think he, it seemed like he grasped it.

I think, I think he was in a great mood. Yeah. Sierra, when we do Jaws, within next year because he claims they're doing it. I'm going to get rid of these chairs so we can do four chairs in here. Okay. So it'll be me, Bill, Rob Mahoney, and Stephen. Stephen, Kit Colkin, Bill, and Sean.

The Jaws staying, that'll be it. That might be my retirement podcast. Yeah, that'll be done. I'll be done after that. So you guys don't want to do Lincoln is the last one? I mean, there's any number of movies I'd like to ask him about that he's made. the thing is he's made so many. I mean, somebody sent me an email

if you took out the top four movies a director or actor made. You just, you made the list. You wiped out the top four. Would he still, would Spielberg still have one of the best careers ever? Yes.

No question. So how many people, how many people could you say that about it? There's like four. Like, if you think about how many times on this pot have you said, this person,

and it's like this, this, this, and then the wheels come off. You know, and it's like, it's not even the wheels coming off. It might just be like their hot streak ended. I think Merrill Street might be the only actress where you could remove her top four and she would still have one of the best three or four careers ever. Yeah, it works a little bit better with directors. Like, it's a real confrontation with how many peaks you have.

Because Spielberg has three distinct peaks. Like Scorsese has three distinct peaks. John Ford has three distinct peaks where they're like, in different decades are doing different things. that are amazing. Actors is tough because, like, most of them, you get these, like, two or three iconic roles, one that's, like, the breakthrough, one where the whole industry is,

like, you're the greatest of all time, and then one late period thing. So it's a little harder for actors. Cruise you could wipe out for it. Yeah, I mean, like, I was just... I think Danzell you could wait about four and be okay. I was thinking about Damon because of Odyssey. And Odyssey is, like, the third time he has been the biggest movie star in the world or whatever, you know, or led the biggest movie.

And if you cut out Matt Damon's, like, top five movies, I think it would still be a good career, but it wouldn't be... Yeah. Wouldn't be... I don't... I saw an interview with him where he said he hadn't lost this much weight since high school or hadn't been at this weight since high school. Courage under fire.

He was like 130 pounds. Yeah. He just left that. He just... Like, he was like, his health was in danger when he did that movie. Maybe he forgot. Maybe he forgot. Random tangent.

Elijah would, no. No, that's Lord of the Rings. agree. Lord of the Rings is the one with the Rings, right? Yep. Okay. Evil kid movies? Maybe...

What? Maybe give it a... Piping up over there? Maybe give it a spin. Lord of the Rings? Yeah, I just did an episode about Masters of the Universe, and I was talking about my favorite fantasy movies of all time,

and fellowship is, like, far and away, my favorite fantasy movie of all time. I just feel like... I think if you like Thrones the way you do, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to least get... I know it's a quarter of yours to be like I'm not into this shit, but I feel like you would like it. Is that I'm fortunate?

Okay, Blu-ray? It sure is. Fuck, yeah. Good one. Those three movies are incredible, honestly. This is not me dorking out. Like, they're legitimately great movies. You like them?

I just watched them for the first time over Christmas, and they were great. What did Haifitz think? Has He even seen Fellowship of the Rings thing? He could tell you every line from Lord of the Rings. Really? Yeah. Hyphids. Wendy Cruz and Apex Mountain probably Santa Claus.

I'm guessing. Okay. Yeah. Sounds right. That was a huge movie. Not, it's definitely not David Morse, right? No. Daniel Hugh Kelly, probably Kujo.

What is David Morse's Apex Mountain? Oh, come on, proof of life. CR knows. Disturbia, one of my childhood favorites. Oh, that's a good movie. That's how I know him. Yeah. Sturbia's good.

Maine, no. Choosing between two people to live. What is the Apex Mountain from Maine just out of curiosity? Ah. Probably it. Yeah, I was thinking something in the Stephen King vortex. Or Kerry? Carrie.

Right? One of those? I mean, Shawshank. Oh, there you go. It's got to be Shawshank. It's Maine, right? Yeah, the prison is. I thought it was filmed in Ohio, though.

Yeah, but in the movie it's... Shawshank is a movie location of Maine. Yeah, that's the answer. Or the Portland Celtics winning the G-League title last year. Nice one. Be one or the other. Yeah, I didn't know that. In the bedroom?

Is that old Todd Field or? Right? Yeah. What about Poison Ivy? It's in Maine? Yeah. I did a lot of Maine research for this spot. Does Stand by Me, is Oregon or Maine?

I can't remember because it's set Maine. That's Oregon. What about Lake Placid? Upstate New York. No, Maine. Lake Placid is in Maine? The movie Lake Placid is set in Maine. Oh, the crocodile movie.

Oh, I thought you were like Miracle on Ice. I'm on Lake Placid. Is in the bedroom or rewatchable? To me it is. Deeply sad movie. That movie's fucking awesome. Yeah, it's a great movie. Wait, which is the one with Jackie.

Haley is the kid toucher. Little children. Little children. Okay. Cruz or Hanks? Cruise or Hanks? I mean, the roles are pretty slim.

This is a Hanks movie as the dad, I think. It is. Unless Cruz wants to play young and be Henry. So like Taps-era Cruz? Literally have Young Cruz as Henry here. Five years earlier. Cruz hasn't even decided to start acting yet,

but just realize. Wouldn't it have to be like 15 years earlier to really get, right? No, he's playing young. He's 22. It's cruising the outsiders. He's committed to it. I've been stunning. I've been studying 10-year-olds and have their bodies move.

I've been learning how to unthrow stuff, so my throw emotions bad. A video interview with him talking about how, like, at one point in his career, he was shooting cocktail and prepping both Rain Man and born on the Fourth of July and was rewriting all of them. And I was like, whoever wrote those movies? probably like, what the fuck? Do you guys feel ready for six straight months of Cruisemania with Digger? Are you kidding?

When am I not ready for that? But this is going to be a whole new level. Do you think he's going out on the road with it? I think he has to because it's going to be trying to get win an Oscar. There's like a 2% chance he does the rewatchables. I just like... 2% after Spielberg. I'm ready.

I've got the seat for it. So that would be Cruz, Mahoney, Hyfitz, Rick Lizzie. That's one that have four seats. I don't know if I could I don't know if I could hold it together for that one. That would That would be a lot.

You think Cruz would like Zaylo? Tall men. From the couch to another couch. And here we are. The superhero. The artist. What movie would you want to do with Cruz? Pride proof of life.

Glad to get to be on that one. Would it be one of his movies or something else? I don't think it can be one of his. It's so obvious. It's the re-cruising. The re-cruising with cruise? Yeah. I'm trying to think of what's in a movie

that he talks about all the time that he loves. Like, he's talked about the Great Escape a bit in the past, how much he loves that. What's a movie that is essential to him? I mean, he's talked a bunch about these Inor Reto movies that he loves so much. He keeps talking about Amori's Peros now. I don't think we would be doing that on the rewatchables anytime. I'd love to.

It says that his favorite movie is singing in the rain. That would be incredible. Wow. Wow. There's an article, you won't trick Tom Cruise into naming his four favorite films. No, because he was talking. You know what he loves?

He's a cinema diplomat. Him and McCory love the good, the bad and the ugly. And the once upon a time in the West. Those would be sick. Yeah. Apparently he won't do that. Who does that letterbox? They don't like your four favorite.

He's like, Tom Cruise, like, I can't, I love all movies. No, he's like, it depends on what I'm doing. Am I just watching one scene to be inspired? Or am I hanging out on a Sunday afternoon? Yeah, yeah. He, I don't know, he sees a lot of movies. He still is like, that's his whole thing. He's like, I'm at the cinema.

Here to see The Odyssey. You know, a lot of selfies of holding, like, happily eating popcorn. He loves popcorn. Cruz. I don't know if we could do Cruz. I feel like it's just, if you have Cruz. Spielberg's, like, ultimately, like, a movie fan like us. Cruz is like, I don't know how you would have a,

two-hour conversation with Cruz. It would be fucking incredible. But what you want to do is just ask him questions for two hours. You don't want to be like, what's your favorite scene from this movie? You want to be like, we're doing lethal weapon too.

They killed the South African. He's like, Chris, Chris, do it. Do it. Deep in a Monti community. I'm going to add in here the Dennis Peck relationship test for could Dennis have broken up the main relationship?

I think Dennis could easily have gotten in. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. seconds. Yeah. I love short haircuts. Made your wife come. You're grieving.

You need to let some of that grief out. Oh, my God. The Ed Norton reversed dunk award for did this movie need a random sports scene? I mean, it has one. It has the soccer, but did it need a scene with Henry in it? We talked about hockey. Is there a touch football scene where he starts to get a little... Oh, maybe he's like a middle linebacker and he drops a kid?

Like, he takes Connie over the middle, just like, next to her. It's like, who invited you fucking Ronnie Lai? Holy shit. All right. Here we go. Picking Nets. God, I have so many. Sean, you want to start us off?

What the hell is David Morse's character doing in this movie? In what universe, after your wife dies and a boy has lost his mother, are you dropping them off somewhere and not spending time with them? And going to Japan for two weeks. What in the fuck? If this, I lean and I watched this movie together last night, and I was like, honey, if you die, I'm not dropping. dropping Alice off with someone.

There's just no, I'd be like, Bill, I gotta take a couple weeks off from the pods, man. I think you'll understand. Like, this is crazy. Had the same conversation with my wife. We were just like, how is this? I think the fucked up thing is, like, there's a bit of it where it's just like,

is he kind of like, I need to, like, get some me time, you know? Could be. Yeah, could be. But it's not explained in the movie. What do you have for biggest than picture? So when Mark breaks away where he jumps out the window at the end to get to the cliffside, Davenport and Wallace are just like, oh,

Mark, you got away from us. Then they just stop. They don't pursue. They don't like... I had that as well. Why doesn't the dad show up at any point over the next five minutes? And then she comes back from the cliff

and is just like, yeah, you know, I had to choose between Mark and Henry and I dropped our son. So now you're down too. That's crazy. How did Wendy Cruzen explain to the cops how Henry died? Right.

What did she say? Isn't that like criminal negligence anyway? Did she say like my son tried to kill me so I killed him? Like what did she? How did she explain it? No, I think her and Mark get their stories straight for a split second. He slipped out of my hand. I was trying to save him.

Yeah, that's true. Henry and Mark were playing on the cliff. I found them. They fell off. I was trying to hold them. Obviously, I wouldn't have wanted to kill my son, Henry. The first and last shots of the movie are Mark standing on like a sand dune in the middle of like a national park somewhere in Arizona. But no one else around him.

Makes no sense. Like, what's he doing? It's like the start of Dune 3. he's calling the sandworms. He's like doing the dance. What about the investigation in Richard's death, the little boy? What happened there?

He drowned in six inches of water. I have a... I just think that there would just be we're having a fucking emergency meeting. Richard's dead. The daughter got thrown under a sheet of ice. We've got new kid here who's just causing... We need to just shut it down.

We're not going to dinner. we're not just using this old lady psychiatrist. I need like a bodyguard in here. Everybody is on like is grounded. We're going to figure this out. Mr. Highway is definitely some sort of investigation. Yeah. It's like, first of all, very close to their house.

There's not like a ton of people that live around there. The news report will say, the driver reports seeing two kids pushing something off a thing. That's right. So that's coming up. So these two guys are brothers, but their families have never hung out. Like, their cousins have never met.

10-year-olds, like that not one family vacation, nothing? David Morris is always off to Japan. Does he know anybody who lives in Arizona who he could drop his son off with? Like, what is it going on? It's also the winter, wasn't he in school? They don't address that. Yeah.

No, they said it's Christmas break. Oh, that's right. So the movie only takes place in over a two-week span. There's also no Christmas decorations in the house, right? There's not a Christmas tree. Oh, is there? There is a tree. It's very, this is not a holiday movie.

It's even less of a holiday movie than Die Hard. At one point the dad says, what a haul, 11 states in three days. Where are you coming from? From Arizona. I did this. 38 states and 3rd? You can actually do the drive

and it's like six states, I think. Like, is the quickest route. The time machine? No, no. I mean, like, I don't know how long it takes for him to drive it, but it's like, just not that many, less states than you'd think. They have date night. Little Richard has died in six inches of bathtub water

and their son's a serial killer, and they're like, no babysitter. It bothered me that they were eating soup while talking about going out to dinner. Yeah. I was like, what are you doing? Maybe they don't trust the restaurants. Probably not a lot of them.

Yeah. Had some questions about the safety situation at the skating pond? It's just roped off. Just to rope off, but anybody could have hurt a tour there? I had that in most 1993 thing about this movie, too, where I was just like,

yeah, you just like go skating in an insanely dangerous place. I mean, that is like, it's the local skate pond. Every 80s and early 90s water park or, you know, action park kind of place where you're just like, we probably should not be here. Yeah. And the guys somehow don't fall on the ice as they're trying to save Connie. That was weird, too.

I didn't understand any part of the skating scene. Like, why do they not go to the part where she fell in to fish her out? They only go to the part where the ice is more solid and they have to ax it out. It's just another, like, Wallace and Wendy Crucun never have a conversation where they're like, hey, have you ever been in Henry's, tree house? Or the shed? The shed is the bigger one.

Yeah. She enters the shed, sees a crossbow, keeps walking, finds a rubber duck, that's the problem. Yeah. Doesn't say a word. What is this military-grade crossbow? She probably thinks it's Wallace is to like ward off wild animals or something like that. We don't get any report on the dead dog. Like somebody in the neighborhood is like,

hey, somebody shot and killed my dog. Well, he doesn't know. It's in the well. That's right. Oh, true. My dog's missing. This is the big one. This made my wife really upset. So Connie almost dies is in the hospital.

We assume still in the hospital in the end of the movie. Both parents are home. Yeah. Just nobody's at the hospital. Connie's just lying in bed like with the fucking remote control. She's like seven.

Isn't one of the parents there 24-7? One of my favorite tropes in movies is when somebody is like, it's okay, you should go home and get some rest. It's like my child or like my wife is like nobody's leaving the hospital.

Nobody's going home to get some rest. Like Alice almost if that almost happened to Alice I would never leave the hospital being like yeah let's go home and let's get a bite to eat we got tons more reservations they'd love to be missing movies though

tons more I like when Henry leaves the hospital room and he goes let her know I was here just you in the hospital and you get like a resi notification that's like no you're in 7 p.m. is opened up you know what

we're not doctors what can we do for her that's why at the beginning of the pot I was like this movie is trash like it is really trashy I love it but because once you start getting into this stuff it's so poorly constructed

however it's very fun and entertaining yeah that's why we love from hellmuth you gotta get the parents out of the house I get it like you can't have them always be there because Henry needs room to cook I also love when something like that happens to a character and they run to the hospital

and the guy says immediately they said she's gonna be fine yeah yeah it's like she was underwater for about two minutes there let's give it a week let's see if she remembers her name two days from now she's not going to Caltech but yeah she'll be fine she'll be fine I like that you're really hooked on like she definitely has brain damage

she's fine yeah she's fine you know quaint's gonna be fine you know just a couple of bite marks no worries he'll be he'll be back three minutes of that oxygen she'll be fine also no witnesses for Henry just whipping her toward the dangerous.

There's 158 people there. But even if that would, what would have happened, would it just been like, yeah, Henry Hatter and let go over, you know, and he could just feel like it was an accident. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black castor untouchable. I think this is a pretty good prestige TV,

Apple, eight episodes that I hope they don't do. It is, but by the third episode, you'd be like, somebody's got to be like, what's going on with this kid? He keeps murdering people? Right. Yeah. We wouldn't have any of the picking nits

because they would just spend eight hours like answering all the questions and stuff like that. Some backstories with the marriage. Why haven't Wallace and David Morris talked? But this movie is also the length of one episode of prestige television. True. The euphoria season finale was 15 minutes longer. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins,

Fergie the Flores, Zainlow, Robert Everence, Dr. Charles Nichols, or someone else? Henry, man, here you are. Standing on the ledge. You've drowned, Richard. You've killed the neighborhood dog. Nearly did Connie on a frozen pond. The body counts.

grows, but what's next for you, man? After building your nail gun and terrorizing your immediate family, what stirs you? Why is Zane talking to Henry? Is Henry in studio? Yeah, he's at that... No, Henry is in the Beach One studio, and Zane is standing at the console.

No, Zane's flying to Maine for this. Yeah, it's true. There's no question. At the wind, you know, the waves lapping against the showline, Henry. On location, Zane. Just one Oscar who gets it. McCauley. Coulkin.

Zawatna Award, what happened the next day? I wrote down, Honey, bad news. I dropped Henry to his death. We lost another one. I wrote Mark going back to Arizona and leaving that family destroyed in Maine is hilarious. Yeah.

And it's just like, see you guys later. Wendy Curson, Wallace, and a fucking kid with scrambled eggs for brains. And he's like, I'm out. I got a date in the desert with myself to just talk it all over. No one's watching him when he's like standing on the mountain top

in Arizona. Bad news. Connie has to repeat. Yeah. Elmer Bernstein's like, da, no, no, no. What the fuck is happening? Great movie.

Bad news. Connie has to repeat the fourth grade again. Third time, hopefully it'll be a charm. Yeah, Connie, she lived through the lake, but she has to eat through a straw for her. of years. Probably in answerable questions. Was Henry's mom a murderer? It's a good one, ball. Could that have been an involuntary manslaughter charge?

I think it's become clear that the Rock Harbor Police Department is not elite in investigating these issues. It's a good point. So I feel like she's probably getting away with it. I got two for you. Yeah. Did Mark's dad nail the Tokyo deal or what? Great one. Two weeks. Was that keeping him up at night? Or was he just like, he was just like, he got it. it. He's bringing Hyundai's to Arizona or whatever. And then what's Mark's dad's relationship with his brother like after this? So, the whole dropping Markoff thing didn't really work out great for you.

Turned out to be a different kind of drop off. If they were estranged before, they're even more estranged now. You think it's just like, we're just never going to talk again. Feels like it. Feels like it. I think the lingering question is, so Henry is just evil. Is he evil or is he a sociopath? Well, the mom can say, like, Henry did tell me he murdered Richard.

Yes, yes. I do think the 86-minute movie is missing a scene in the first 40 minutes when she's in Richard's room or something. Like, you need to see the light clicking that she deep down things Henry did this. She's just like, this has never sat right with me. Yeah, yeah. And I don't think they ever really accomplished that. There's that one moment where she's like... Because I think the mom would know.

Yeah. Then there's also, like, I do like the fact that. that they come back to it a couple of times that Mark thinks she's the reincarnation of his mother. Yes. I love that idea. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how he taunts Henry a little bit

by saying, like, my mom. She's my mom now. She's my mom, yeah. You can make the case that Mark is the best thing that ever happened to that family. Because if Mark doesn't go to Maine, Connie dies. Yeah. And maybe the mom dies.

Well, we don't know whether Mark's introduction into the family accelerates Henry's shit house. He already killed Richard. Yeah, but maybe he was like, now that I got him out of the way, I'm good. You know, like, I'm the only son. We can focus on my hockey career. I got my yaya's out. We're good.

Henry, Henry was like Howie Roseman, though. He was preparing for this moment for years. That's right. He'd been building Mr. Highway. He'd be building the nail gun. He was just ready. Sure. He was ready for this.

2028 draft. I see you're very concerned about this, AJ Brown. Yeah, definitely concerned. What was your other in answerable question? I did the both. Did Mark's deal in Tokyo go through and what's Mark's dad's relationship with this brother?

The memorabilia you most want or not want from this movie. I think you've got to get Mr. Highway sitting with us here. So if Mr. Highway was here right now, it would be pretty fucking funny. It's got to be you, Spielberg, Anthony Dubundo,

Mr. Highway. Jaws 2 rewatchables. I like that. He's the A.J. Hawk for the rewatchables. He just sits there? That's great. Mr. Highway Cam, it's just on him all the time.

Mr. Highway, Zaylo, Fergie. Take it. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, best, worst life lesson. Once you realize you can do anything, you're free. But Henry's telling us.

True to some extent. I would say just pay for the sitter. Yeah. Don't let your son who may have already killed one of your other sons take your daughter ice skating. Yeah. Maybe is a good one.

Good note. Best double-feature choice. I have Mikey. I would watch Mikey first, then Goodson. So there's a, there is like kind of prevailing theory around Home Alone that, you know, Kevin is really the villain of the movie.

You know, he is like the demon of the film. And so just pairing those two movies together is pretty funny, I think. I'd probably go bad seed just because it pulls so much for it. And Culkin wins the movie? There's a decent Elijah Woodcase. But I think it's Culkin. I think it's just. for the limited amount of credits that McCauley Coulkin gets,

this is such a crazy outlier. And I think he wins it. But because of that, I think the winner's Kit Colkin. Jesus, Sean. As fucked up as that is, I think he, like, kind of bullcharged his way into being the shadow producer of the whole thing. Yeah.

Forced his son into the project, forced his daughter into the project. And the movie was a big hit. Should we add a new category as how would Kit Colkin have reshaped this movie? Seems like the David O'Sullsnik of the modern era. Well, it's time. Craig had never seen this movie or knew what it was. Both kids were fantastic.

I had very little fun watching this movie until the final battle. I reveled in Henry's death. You're spending 90 minutes just in final destination for children. And this was a blast. And now I feel like going back, it'd be great. But kind of first watch, you're like, this is very little room to breathe. Every scene is like, will a child die for 90 minutes? Yes.

But now, like, when you just don't take it as seriously and kind of, you know, live outside the movie. It's the key to from Hell Month. Yes. You have to take it light. You have to take it light. There's just less pulp in this movie than like single white female or a hand that rocks the cradle. This one is pretty much like every scene is like, is a kid going to fall down a well. It's a harrowing movie.

Yeah. It is. It's really violent. I think you get it now, though. Oh, for sure. You can watch it a second time. The unintentional comedy of this movie is off the charts. That's what it is.

It's just fun to talk about. Yeah. Because it's so ridiculous. It's just remarkable that a movie can have so many obvious picking nits in 1993. And they're just like, oh, who cares? Like, I feel like you can't do that now. If you deliver the script, I mean, maybe for a movie that's just like, go straight to streaming or something. But for a movie that is going in theaters with a big star, there's like 15 legitimate,

ridiculous picking nits. And this doesn't make any fucking sense. I think that there's just as many picking nits. I think that there's just as many picking nits now, but, like, so much of it happens either in, like, a John Wick-style movie or a superhero movie that you're like, oh, yeah, I guess they went back in time to, like, fix this flux capacitor thing or whatever.

And it's like, this is actually, like, no, a cop would have seen this by now. Yeah. Part of the reason why I keep pointing back to the incredible level of craft is because there's, like, you know, a hundred people worked on this movie. None of them raised any of the notes about picking nits, or if they did Kit Culkin, like, overwhelmed them. But then there's, like, nine artisans who were among the greatest craftspeople of

their era, and they're like, I'm going to spend 38 days of my professional life making this very stupid, but ultimately very well-made movie. And no one was like, shouldn't Wallace be chasing Mark? It's like, nah, whatever. And it's a funny thing is that's like one shot of like Wallace, like, running in the background.

He should have like fallen in the well or something. He just doesn't chase it. We didn't mention there's a cemetery too near them. Oh, yeah. It really was like an all-time kid death trap. The fine. The final Battle battle is elite. Like, the way that shot, the camera goes up over them as they're hanging. It's pretty nuts.

It's a great scene. Ruben, cooking. The Good Sun, from Hell Month is just cooking. Is this it? Is this the last one? No, we're going to keep going. We might even go through the first part of July. Wow.

So do you not consider 2001 a part of this week? I think it spiritually is because it's computer from hell. Yeah. And it was the beginning of June, but it's also one of the greatest movies of all time. It's a little insulting to put it in a thing with the Good Sun. Yeah, that's fair. But at the same time, we could sneak it in. Sean Fantasy, Chris Ryan, thank you.

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